[08:11] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: ping in this channel
[08:11] <nixternal> yo yo
[08:11] <nixternal> pong in that channel
[08:13] <Admiral_Chicago> there is a missing doc page that we need to do
[08:13] <Admiral_Chicago> it's pretty critical imo
[08:13] <Admiral_Chicago> i've needed it bofer
[08:13] <Admiral_Chicago> let me get the link...
[08:13] <nixternal> please don't say the "modem" section or a more detailed networking section
[08:13] <Admiral_Chicago> no way
[08:14] <Admiral_Chicago> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[08:14] <nixternal> heh, get the devs on it
[08:15] <Admiral_Chicago> the sound devs?
[08:15] <nixternal> well, anyone dealing specifically with hardware
[08:15] <nixternal> sound, video, you name it
[08:16] <nixternal> video detection is pretty much straight forward, sound has always been a silly tricky one for me in the past
[08:16] <Admiral_Chicago> can I just email the list?
[08:16] <nixternal> wifi will continue being an issue, as we aren't catching up quick enough
[08:16] <nixternal> you can start it, but if you do i would recommend maybe hitting up the dev lists asking for help
[08:17] <Admiral_Chicago> hold on a suc
[08:19] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[08:19] <nixternal> wouldn't hurt
[08:19] <Admiral_Chicago> okay
[08:19] <Admiral_Chicago> i think i'm going to CC documentation team
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> good idea
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> ?
[08:23] <nixternal> probably don't need to cc the doc team, unless you want to spark some creative writing interest
[08:30] <Admiral_Chicago> err, too late.. ;\
[08:30] <Admiral_Chicago> well someone can turn it down if it's not relevant
[08:36] <nixternal> hehe
[08:36] <nixternal> g'nite
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> night
[12:48] <mdke_> I suppose it may be time to merge that topic-based-help stuff into trunk. No one has objected. But then again, not many have commented either
[02:55] <mpt> mdke_ or anyone, has Will Simpson's patch from December 11th been merged? It would be a shame if we lost a potential contributor because of a poor first experience
[02:56] <mdke_> mpt: yes it has (did I forget to send the confirmation email to the list?). He's also asked me a couple of questions via private email, he seems keen
[02:57] <mdke_> I applied it to the topic-based-help branch too
[02:58] <mpt> ok, cool
[02:58] <mdke_> I'm just merging that branch into trunk too, we've procrastinated too long over it. We can tidy it up later
[04:18] <mdke_> god, is svn slow for everyone else?
[04:18] <mdke_> what a pain
[04:21] <mdke_> Seveas: wow, good job on the CC agenda page, if that was you.
[04:21] <Seveas> mdke_, it was
[04:21] <mdke_> nice
[04:21] <mdke_> Seveas: is part of your job also chasing them for setting meeting times?
[04:22] <Seveas> I consider it to be and I am already chasing
[04:22] <mdke_> good, glad to hear that
[04:22] <tonyyarusso> Anybody need a break?  Come play !teg
[04:22] <Seveas> tonyyarusso, don't spam...
[04:22] <tonyyarusso> fine..
[04:23] <mdke_> especially without explaining what !teg is
[04:23] <tonyyarusso> That would be why someone made a factoid.
[04:23] <mdke_> that nonsense doesn't apply in here, you have to say what you mean
[04:24] <tonyyarusso> all right.
[04:29] <nixternal> mdke_: yes mine just locked up
[04:29] <nixternal> svn that is
[04:36] <linuxphotogeek> I'm having problem also
[04:37] <linuxphotogeek> I get error 'Failed to add directory 'ubuntu': object of the same name already exists'
[04:39] <nixternal> what are you trying to add the ubuntu directory to?
[04:40] <linuxphotogeek> nothing! this is the output of svn up
[04:40] <linuxphotogeek> just trying to do an update
[04:41] <nixternal> try it again..you might have done an up during a commit possibly
[04:42] <linuxphotogeek> I did get some updates to edubunutu and kubuntu
[04:42] <mdke_> maybe I broke it with my messing around
[04:42] <linuxphotogeek> still no joy
[04:42] <nixternal> mdke_: i just did an up w/o any troubles
[04:43] <linuxphotogeek> must be my problem
[04:43] <nixternal> linuxphotogeek: you can blast the ubuntu directory and then do up again
[04:43] <mdke_> yes, delete things that aren't working, and re-up them
[04:43] <mdke_> nixternal: whenever I commit there is a 5 minute wait after transferring the data, do you get that?
[04:43] <linuxphotogeek> Thanks! I'll try that
[04:44] <mdke_> I don't know whether it is local or on the server-side
[04:44] <nixternal> i just got that earlier with the edubuntu handbook fix
[04:44] <nixternal> i think we may have committed at the same time possibly
[04:44] <mdke_> no, I get it every time
[04:44] <nixternal> ahhh
[04:44] <nixternal> i committed just fine last night testing my commit rights on this computer
[04:45] <nixternal> could be a hiccup maybe with the server right now
[04:45] <mdke_> it's been like that for a while for me
[04:45] <nixternal> so is the topic based help structure pretty much ready to be ported over to kubuntu?
[04:45] <linuxphotogeek> Working as we speak - Updated to revision 3491
[04:45] <linuxphotogeek> Thanks
[04:46] <nixternal> good deal linuxphotogeek
[04:46] <mdke_> yeah, still the same delay
[04:46] <nixternal> ya, i will hold off for a bit on committing stuff
[04:46] <nixternal> hrmm
[04:46] <nixternal> i did notice it though just a second ago
[05:08] <linuxphotogeek> mdke_ There seems to be a problem with the directory tree now that I've updated
[05:08] <linuxphotogeek> There is no 'desktopguide' directory in ubuntu
[05:08] <mdke_> linuxphotogeek: go ahead
[05:09] <mdke_> that's intentional...
[05:10] <mdke_> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TopicBasedHelp
[05:10] <linuxphotogeek> I've made a change and after a 'make dg' the change does not appear in ../build/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html
[05:11] <linuxphotogeek> Worked last time
[05:11] <mdke_> yes, I haven't got around to fixing the build system
[05:11] <mdke_> what change did you make?
[05:12] <linuxphotogeek> working on bug https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-doc/+bug/62694
[05:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62694 in ubuntu-doc "Incorrect link to Scribus" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[05:12] <linuxphotogeek> Simple really
[05:13] <linuxphotogeek> Ubugtu - are working on the same bug?
[05:13] <mdke_> Ubugtu isn't real, he's a machine that tells you what a bug is about when you mention one
[05:13] <mdke_> bug 1
[05:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[05:13] <mdke_> (see?)
[05:13] <linuxphotogeek> Cool never seen that before.
[05:14] <mdke_> if you do the correction in ubuntu/C/office/office.xml then you can do "yelp office.xml" to view your changes
[05:15] <linuxphotogeek> When I check as you suggest the changes are included. So I'll send my patch.
[05:15] <linuxphotogeek> The build worked for me last week
[05:15] <linuxphotogeek> Got to run to book reading. I'll check back later
[05:16] <linuxphotogeek> Thanks for your help
[05:16] <mdke_> I'll try and fix the builds eventually
[05:16] <mdke_> the changes have been very extreme so it will take a bit of time
[05:21] <jsgotangco> hello
[05:21] <mdke_> hi jsgotangco
[05:21] <jsgotangco> hello mdke_ how have you been doing lately
[05:22] <mdke_> jsgotangco: well thanks, if busy. You?
[05:22] <jsgotangco> pretty busy at work as well
[05:23] <jsgotangco> actually, extremely is a better term
[05:23] <jsgotangco> i guess its the price i have to pay working for a large company
[05:24] <mdke_> ah
[05:30] <nixternal> hiya jsgotangco!
[05:30] <nixternal> are you ready for chicago yet?
[05:30] <jsgotangco> im leaving on tusday
[05:31] <nixternal> what dates are you in chicago for?
[05:31] <jsgotangco> ill be there from the 20th till 28th i think
[05:31] <nixternal> cool
[05:31] <nixternal> it was warm the past coupld of days, but the cold is back
[05:31] <nixternal> you get to come to the Bears crazed city
[05:32] <jsgotangco> then go to madison till new year, then go back to chicago on the 2nd
[05:32] <jsgotangco> ill just go online when i get there and ping you
[05:32] <nixternal> cool..i will try and schedule a free day before i get my daughter
[08:13] <jmantha> mdke: about?
[08:16] <nixternal> ahh it is the jmantha
[08:16] <jmantha> mwuahaha
[08:16] <jmantha> nixternal: you looked at the new trunk yet?
[08:17] <nixternal> does it have gold in it?
[08:17] <nixternal> i have taken a brief look
[08:17] <nixternal> i was waiting for mdke to finish his commits, then i was going to look it over and start kubuntu
[08:19] <jmantha> according to his email the packaging is broken
[08:19] <nixternal> for the time being it is
[08:19] <nixternal> im sure we can fix that up so it isn't
[08:21] <jmantha> yeah, I'm checking it out now
[09:07] <nixternal> i just committed kubuntu/C/* starting the topic based help
[09:08] <nixternal> only things not validating are xrefs, which can be pulled together after a bit
[09:08] <nixternal> mdke: here we go, transmitting file data and it is taking forever
[09:18] <nixternal> it seems the files get pushed to the repo as normal, but when it goes to pull the revision info it seems to stall
[09:28] <mdke> jmantha: yes
[09:29] <jmantha> mdke: yeah, just saw your email
[09:29] <jmantha> mdke: what kind of breakage in packaging does the TBH create?
[09:29] <jmantha> just need to install the files to the right places?
[09:29] <mdke> yes
[09:29] <mdke> I have fixed it all basically now
[09:30] <mdke> maybe the occasional thing still broken
[09:30] <jmantha> ah cool
[09:30] <mdke> lots still to do though
[09:31] <mdke> ubuntu/Makefile is still untouched
[09:32] <jmantha> is the cron job set up now for doc.u.c?
[09:32] <mdke> yes, it has been for serious numbers of months
[09:33] <jmantha> well for a while it wasn't building
[09:34] <jmantha> but I'm not sure if it was because of makefiles or what
[09:34] <mdke> yes, that wasn't due to the cronjob though, it was due to the fact that the documents weren't building
[09:34] <mdke> now, they certainly won't be :)
[09:34] <jmantha> hmm
[09:34] <jmantha> it's odd that they would just stop building
[09:35] <mdke> not really
[09:35] <jmantha> I think the packaging guide wasn't updates for a few months
[09:35] <mdke> there are two really common reasons
[09:35] <jmantha> s/updates/updated/
[09:35] <mdke> a) someone does a commit which invalidates a document
[09:35] <mdke> b) someone changes a document so that the Makefile doesn't work, or changes the Makefile itself so that it doesn't work
[09:36] <jmantha> if 1 file is invalid does it kill that whole build or just that doc?
[09:36] <mdke> it kills the whole of the build for the group of documents (groups are ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, xubuntu)
[09:37] <jmantha> hmm, I see
[09:37] <jmantha> does it log somewhere?
[09:37] <mdke> no, but you can see the error by trying the build
[09:38] <jmantha> it'd be handy if we had some sort of status page
[09:43] <mdke> aha. ssh is working again
[09:48] <mdke> jmantha: I don't know how that would work. But feel free to dig around
[09:49] <jmantha> yeah, I might think about that
[10:15] <nixternal> jmantha: status page reading the status from the xml docs or an updated wiki status page?
[10:17] <jmantha> a page that shows the last time the different areas of doc.u.c built and if not shows  an error message
[10:22] <nixternal> ahh
[10:22] <nixternal> hrmm..
[10:26] <nixternal> have the cron job log to a file that is accessible via the web
[10:27] <jmantha> well, or have the makefile spit something out to a file
[10:28] <nixternal> well, it would be easier just to append    > /log/file.txt to the cron
[10:29] <nixternal> i.e., 0 0 0 0 /path/to/Makefile /path/to/repo  > /path/to/log.txt
[10:30] <jmantha> yeah, but I'm not sure if we want all of it, but maybe
[10:30] <jmantha> the first thing would at least be a status of "What worked and what didn't"
[10:31] <nixternal> hmm. well, get the makefile to log, and then create a script that will execute a tail -f on the log >> txt
[10:57] <mdke> whoosh
[10:57] <mdke> svn has felt my wrath today
[10:58] <jmantha> heh
[11:01] <jmantha> nixternal: do you use vmware at all?
[11:14] <mpt> On "svn up" I get "svn: Failed to add directory 'ubuntu': object of the same name already exists"
[11:15] <mpt> What do I do now? :-] 
[11:15] <mdke> mpt: we had someone else report that too, I must have buggered it up. Can you rm -rf ubuntu/ and svn up again?
[11:27] <mpt> ok
[11:28] <mdke> sorry
[11:29] <nixternal> LaserJock: yes
[11:29] <nixternal> to vmware
[11:30] <nixternal> hmm that is an odd error. i wonder why they got it? wonder what was different
[11:31] <mdke> I removed the ubuntu directory with one commit, then added it with the next one, obviously svn didn't like it
[11:32] <mdke> boh
[11:36] <nixternal> ahh