=== theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-doc === trappist_ [i=trappist@linuxkungfu.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === trappist [i=trappist@linuxkungfu.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-doc === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@c-65-96-188-198.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [n=froud@dsl-242-191-132.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Admiral_Chicago [n=freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:11] nixternal: ping in this channel [08:11] yo yo [08:11] pong in that channel [08:13] there is a missing doc page that we need to do [08:13] it's pretty critical imo [08:13] i've needed it bofer [08:13] let me get the link... [08:13] please don't say the "modem" section or a more detailed networking section [08:13] no way [08:14] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingHardwareDetection [08:14] heh, get the devs on it [08:15] the sound devs? [08:15] well, anyone dealing specifically with hardware [08:15] sound, video, you name it [08:16] video detection is pretty much straight forward, sound has always been a silly tricky one for me in the past [08:16] can I just email the list? [08:16] wifi will continue being an issue, as we aren't catching up quick enough [08:16] you can start it, but if you do i would recommend maybe hitting up the dev lists asking for help [08:17] hold on a suc === xipietotec [n=jackfros@194.115.109.66.static.dis.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:19] nixternal: ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com [08:19] wouldn't hurt [08:19] okay [08:19] i think i'm going to CC documentation team [08:20] good idea [08:20] ? [08:23] probably don't need to cc the doc team, unless you want to spark some creative writing interest [08:30] err, too late.. ;\ [08:30] well someone can turn it down if it's not relevant [08:36] hehe === nixternal beds [08:36] g'nite [08:36] night === glatzor [n=sebi@p54966553.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-doc === XiXaQ [n=joerlend@240-191.dsl.freewave.no] has joined #Ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-219.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-247-110.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:48] I suppose it may be time to merge that topic-based-help stuff into trunk. No one has objected. But then again, not many have commented either === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-219.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:55] mdke_ or anyone, has Will Simpson's patch from December 11th been merged? It would be a shame if we lost a potential contributor because of a poor first experience [02:56] mpt: yes it has (did I forget to send the confirmation email to the list?). He's also asked me a couple of questions via private email, he seems keen [02:57] I applied it to the topic-based-help branch too [02:58] ok, cool [02:58] I'm just merging that branch into trunk too, we've procrastinated too long over it. We can tidy it up later === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-211-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mr_pouit [n=silk@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mr_pouit [n=silk@LAubervilliers-151-12-125-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === linuxphotogeek [n=zen_love@wt1.core.wireless.fsr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:18] god, is svn slow for everyone else? [04:18] what a pain [04:21] Seveas: wow, good job on the CC agenda page, if that was you. [04:21] mdke_, it was [04:21] nice [04:21] Seveas: is part of your job also chasing them for setting meeting times? [04:22] I consider it to be and I am already chasing [04:22] good, glad to hear that === motin [n=motin@c80-217-109-98.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:22] Anybody need a break? Come play !teg [04:22] tonyyarusso, don't spam... [04:22] fine.. [04:23] especially without explaining what !teg is [04:23] That would be why someone made a factoid. [04:23] that nonsense doesn't apply in here, you have to say what you mean [04:24] all right. [04:29] mdke_: yes mine just locked up [04:29] svn that is [04:36] I'm having problem also [04:37] I get error 'Failed to add directory 'ubuntu': object of the same name already exists' [04:39] what are you trying to add the ubuntu directory to? [04:40] nothing! this is the output of svn up [04:40] just trying to do an update [04:41] try it again..you might have done an up during a commit possibly [04:42] I did get some updates to edubunutu and kubuntu [04:42] maybe I broke it with my messing around [04:42] still no joy [04:42] mdke_: i just did an up w/o any troubles [04:43] must be my problem [04:43] linuxphotogeek: you can blast the ubuntu directory and then do up again [04:43] yes, delete things that aren't working, and re-up them [04:43] nixternal: whenever I commit there is a 5 minute wait after transferring the data, do you get that? [04:43] Thanks! I'll try that [04:44] I don't know whether it is local or on the server-side [04:44] i just got that earlier with the edubuntu handbook fix [04:44] i think we may have committed at the same time possibly [04:44] no, I get it every time [04:44] ahhh [04:44] i committed just fine last night testing my commit rights on this computer [04:45] could be a hiccup maybe with the server right now [04:45] it's been like that for a while for me [04:45] so is the topic based help structure pretty much ready to be ported over to kubuntu? [04:45] Working as we speak - Updated to revision 3491 [04:45] Thanks === froud [n=froud@dsl-242-191-132.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:46] good deal linuxphotogeek === mdke_ commits again, to check [04:46] yeah, still the same delay [04:46] ya, i will hold off for a bit on committing stuff [04:46] hrmm [04:46] i did notice it though just a second ago === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:08] mdke_ There seems to be a problem with the directory tree now that I've updated [05:08] There is no 'desktopguide' directory in ubuntu [05:08] linuxphotogeek: go ahead [05:09] that's intentional... [05:10] see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TopicBasedHelp [05:10] I've made a change and after a 'make dg' the change does not appear in ../build/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html [05:11] Worked last time [05:11] yes, I haven't got around to fixing the build system [05:11] what change did you make? [05:12] working on bug https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-doc/+bug/62694 [05:12] Malone bug 62694 in ubuntu-doc "Incorrect link to Scribus" [Undecided,Confirmed] [05:12] Simple really [05:13] Ubugtu - are working on the same bug? [05:13] Ubugtu isn't real, he's a machine that tells you what a bug is about when you mention one [05:13] bug 1 [05:13] Malone bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [05:13] (see?) [05:13] Cool never seen that before. === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:14] if you do the correction in ubuntu/C/office/office.xml then you can do "yelp office.xml" to view your changes [05:15] When I check as you suggest the changes are included. So I'll send my patch. [05:15] The build worked for me last week [05:15] Got to run to book reading. I'll check back later [05:16] Thanks for your help [05:16] I'll try and fix the builds eventually [05:16] the changes have been very extreme so it will take a bit of time [05:21] hello [05:21] hi jsgotangco [05:21] hello mdke_ how have you been doing lately [05:22] jsgotangco: well thanks, if busy. You? [05:22] pretty busy at work as well [05:23] actually, extremely is a better term === mdke_ nods [05:23] i guess its the price i have to pay working for a large company [05:24] ah [05:30] hiya jsgotangco! [05:30] are you ready for chicago yet? [05:30] im leaving on tusday [05:31] what dates are you in chicago for? [05:31] ill be there from the 20th till 28th i think [05:31] cool [05:31] it was warm the past coupld of days, but the cold is back [05:31] you get to come to the Bears crazed city [05:32] then go to madison till new year, then go back to chicago on the 2nd [05:32] ill just go online when i get there and ping you [05:32] cool..i will try and schedule a free day before i get my daughter === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [n=froud@dsl-242-191-132.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@c-65-96-188-198.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@85-210-215-38.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jmantha [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:13] mdke: about? [08:16] ahh it is the jmantha [08:16] mwuahaha [08:16] nixternal: you looked at the new trunk yet? [08:17] does it have gold in it? [08:17] i have taken a brief look [08:17] i was waiting for mdke to finish his commits, then i was going to look it over and start kubuntu [08:19] according to his email the packaging is broken [08:19] for the time being it is [08:19] im sure we can fix that up so it isn't [08:21] yeah, I'm checking it out now === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:07] i just committed kubuntu/C/* starting the topic based help [09:08] only things not validating are xrefs, which can be pulled together after a bit [09:08] mdke: here we go, transmitting file data and it is taking forever [09:18] it seems the files get pushed to the repo as normal, but when it goes to pull the revision info it seems to stall === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:28] jmantha: yes [09:29] mdke: yeah, just saw your email [09:29] mdke: what kind of breakage in packaging does the TBH create? [09:29] just need to install the files to the right places? [09:29] yes [09:29] I have fixed it all basically now [09:30] maybe the occasional thing still broken [09:30] ah cool [09:30] lots still to do though [09:31] ubuntu/Makefile is still untouched [09:32] is the cron job set up now for doc.u.c? [09:32] yes, it has been for serious numbers of months [09:33] well for a while it wasn't building [09:34] but I'm not sure if it was because of makefiles or what [09:34] yes, that wasn't due to the cronjob though, it was due to the fact that the documents weren't building [09:34] now, they certainly won't be :) [09:34] hmm [09:34] it's odd that they would just stop building [09:35] not really [09:35] I think the packaging guide wasn't updates for a few months [09:35] there are two really common reasons [09:35] s/updates/updated/ [09:35] a) someone does a commit which invalidates a document [09:35] b) someone changes a document so that the Makefile doesn't work, or changes the Makefile itself so that it doesn't work [09:36] if 1 file is invalid does it kill that whole build or just that doc? [09:36] it kills the whole of the build for the group of documents (groups are ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, xubuntu) [09:37] hmm, I see [09:37] does it log somewhere? [09:37] no, but you can see the error by trying the build [09:38] it'd be handy if we had some sort of status page [09:43] aha. ssh is working again [09:48] jmantha: I don't know how that would work. But feel free to dig around [09:49] yeah, I might think about that [10:15] jmantha: status page reading the status from the xml docs or an updated wiki status page? [10:17] a page that shows the last time the different areas of doc.u.c built and if not shows an error message [10:22] ahh [10:22] hrmm.. [10:26] have the cron job log to a file that is accessible via the web [10:27] well, or have the makefile spit something out to a file [10:28] well, it would be easier just to append > /log/file.txt to the cron [10:29] i.e., 0 0 0 0 /path/to/Makefile /path/to/repo > /path/to/log.txt [10:30] yeah, but I'm not sure if we want all of it, but maybe [10:30] the first thing would at least be a status of "What worked and what didn't" [10:31] hmm. well, get the makefile to log, and then create a script that will execute a tail -f on the log >> txt [10:57] whoosh [10:57] svn has felt my wrath today [10:58] heh [11:01] nixternal: do you use vmware at all? [11:14] On "svn up" I get "svn: Failed to add directory 'ubuntu': object of the same name already exists" [11:15] What do I do now? :-] [11:15] mpt: we had someone else report that too, I must have buggered it up. Can you rm -rf ubuntu/ and svn up again? [11:27] ok [11:28] sorry [11:29] LaserJock: yes [11:29] to vmware [11:30] hmm that is an odd error. i wonder why they got it? wonder what was different [11:31] I removed the ubuntu directory with one commit, then added it with the next one, obviously svn didn't like it [11:32] boh [11:36] ahh === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@c-65-96-188-198.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === XiXaQ [n=joerlend@240-191.dsl.freewave.no] has joined #Ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-211-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc