[12:16] Yeah. [12:16] http://www.notsosoft.net/snapshots/snapshot3.png [12:16] http://www.notsosoft.net/snapshots/snapshot2.png [12:16] where? where? [12:17] mmm [12:17] You like? [12:17] what happens when you click on a module though? [12:18] The widget stack raises a new module view widget. [12:18] Above all tabs. [12:18] So you don't see the tabs. [12:18] I kinda like it that way. [12:18] yeah, that seems like a good idea [12:18] any comment from seele yet? [12:18] I figure when you're in the module, you should stay there until you want to go back. [12:18] Riddell: Can you send me your mobile phone number? [12:18] sebas: jriddell.org/contact.html [12:18] I'm in Edinburgh next week, we could go out for a drink / some food [12:19] Excellent [12:19] sebas: I'm /probably/ out of town next week [12:19] I'll just try [12:19] sebas: when are you there? [12:19] Mon afternoon - Sat morning [12:20] Riddell: Did you get my email with the diffs? [12:20] What's the phone number + country code (doublecheck)? [12:20] I don't actually plan to be in edinburgh at all next week, but my aunt is about to die so I may be going back there at an unpredictable time [12:20] +44 take of an 0 at the start [12:20] Thanks. [12:20] Ouch, have strength then [12:21] mobile numbers in .uk start with 07, landlines with 01 or 02 === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:23] manchicken: I did thanks, but I'm away from home and not likely to be compiling stuff for the next week, but it looks good so I'm happy for anyone else to upload assuming seele agrees it's sane [12:23] tonio probably a good guy to poke for uploading [12:24] That's cool. [12:26] I'll leave the newlywed alone for a while ^_^ [12:27] he's not wed yet! [12:27] I remember what it was like when I was there ^_^ [12:27] Oh? [12:27] I suppose I heard wrong. [12:27] heh [12:27] ^_^ === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-055-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:27] Then I'll give him something else to think about than a wedding. [12:27] not until 2008 infact [12:31] Fun. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nuku_ [n=j@unaffiliated/nuku] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@d51A4F274.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.117.48] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:33] Riddell: What else needs hacking/ [01:37] imbrandon: ping [01:39] I think you're dropping packets.. [01:39] jdong: What you up to? [01:40] I am? [01:40] lol [01:40] :D [01:40] ipod fun [01:40] decided to get a 30G video ipod today [01:40] Yeah? [01:40] yeah, [01:40] so far I like it [01:40] it doesn't seem evil at all ;-) [01:40] Those are great for throwing rockbox on. [01:40] The ipod itself can be okay. [01:40] It's itunes that is evil ^_^ [01:40] manchicken: call me when it plays realtime H264/AAC's [01:41] well, I haven't seen itunes yet [01:41] what's that? ;-) [01:41] Why would you want to play AAC? [01:41] manchicken: videos [01:41] AAC is a DRMed format. [01:41] manchicken: no it's not [01:42] DRM'ed m4a's are a drm'ed format [01:42] aac is an mpeg-4 audio standard [01:42] was just wondering if amarok supports / will support transferring videos to ipods [01:42] I tried doing one and it put the video in the audio folders [01:43] and needless to say that didn't work all that well [01:43] ogg is nice. [01:43] on the bright side I did see what a rebooting ipod looks like [01:43] I like ogg too [01:43] The OEM ipod firmware works. [01:43] it just doesn't let me encode 64kbit sound tracks to my movies and still hear them [01:43] It's just the stupid DRM crap [01:43] well, I'm not putting any drm songs [01:43] or buying drm'ed content [01:43] I'll probably try rockbox for fun within the next few days [01:44] but for now I'll use the ipod the way it is === manchicken did the Chicago DRM demonstration on Oct. 5th. [01:44] Just make sure you dd your firmware. [01:44] aye [01:45] I have no problem with devices that support it. It's the people who sell the content who're to blame, not the ones selling the devices. [01:45] I see [01:45] all I know is... [01:45] I've looked around and tried a lot of video players [01:45] I'm sure Creative would love to avoid spending money on research and licensing fees, but with geniuses like the CEO of Universal Records forcing DRM down our throats they have little choice. [01:46] and the ipod still comes back as my favorite [01:46] I'm looking to nab one of those Neuros music players. [01:46] 80GB, internal FM broadcaster. [01:46] the main reason though... [01:46] I've got a local warehouse store here [01:46] I have no interest in videos. [01:46] that has an infinite return policy [01:46] and they only carry ipods [01:46] so I'd rather buy from them [01:47] over the years I've really developed a loyalty to the store [01:47] As I said, I kinda like ipods. [01:47] My wife has one. === nixternal stomps on DRM [01:47] It's nice. [01:47] I returned a flat panel the other day that broke after 4 years of duty [01:47] got my $400 back [01:47] i run Rockbox on my iPoop [01:47] and I lost the receipt too [01:47] I'm mainly getting it for the video support... [01:48] that's my primary motivation [01:48] so unfortunately ipodlinux/rockbox don't suit me well for that :( [01:48] I run OEM firmware. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:48] I believe the Neuros one may have free software firmware [01:49] I'm gonna be awful bored this week without something to hack. [01:49] iPodLinux has a long way to go yet [01:49] Rockbox + Amarok need to socialize and pick up the speed as well [01:50] I don't think that we need to put a linux kernel on everything. [01:50] Linux is **NOT** the best kernel for all computing needs. [01:50] Mobile music players particularly. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:51] I have no pride in the linux kernel. [01:51] It's about Freedom in software, not any specific kernel. [01:52] which reminds me... [01:52] amen [01:52] I'm wanting to check out GNU with a Darwin kernel. [01:52] hey manchicken [01:52] Wuddup man? [01:52] lol === nixternal leaves that one alone [01:53] (or woman?) [01:53] (has no idea) === Hobbsee seele and el are female, the rest are male, manchicken [01:53] Ah. [01:53] hehe [01:53] I'll do my best to remember ^_^ [01:53] hehe [01:54] 9 times out of 10 I'm right on the money. [01:54] We need more she-hackers out there ^_^ [01:54] manchicken: she will make you remember with the "long pointy stick of doom" [01:54] manchicken: CoDLUG now has a she-hacker :) === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.117.48] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [01:54] manchicken: true that. and i need to learn how to program :P [01:54] did you see my patch? === Hobbsee considers, again, taking the c++ unit in uni next year, so her timetable doesnt suck [01:55] C++ classes are overrated. [01:55] im taking it next semester Hobbsee [01:55] I took one. [01:55] I didn't really care for it. [01:55] heh [01:55] i need as much programming course as the government will pay for [01:55] Though I'm generally biased against programming courses though, so take my opinion for what it's worth ;) [01:56] my timetable sucks if i'm going to do the classes for my degree (grumble) [01:56] Why don't you just start programming? [01:56] ^_^ [01:56] You think I've got oodles of C++ experience? [01:56] i do, a bit [01:57] main problem is a lack of time [01:57] Good ^_^ [01:57] I know that feeling. === Hobbsee learnt a whole lot about packaging last break === Hobbsee hasnt had much of a break yet with funerals and all that [02:00] nixternal: you know about packaging kde4 apps? [02:01] can't say that i do just yet [02:01] i was planning on starting with some kde4 stuff within the next week or so as well [02:03] Riddell: You around? I'm wondering about qmake.mk & qmake-qt4... [02:05] well, ls -l qmake.mk to see if it is pointing to a v3 or v4 maker..i use qmake-qt4 === pinheiro [n=pinheiro@bl4-206-158.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:22] I thought they were using cmake for everything now. === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.117.48] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.117.48] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [02:28] nixternal: qmake.mk uses qmake... (qmake-qt3) [02:33] i wonder if you install qt4, is it a simple update-alternative [02:37] no clue === manchicken [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:43] nixternal: You got any PPC branded discs? [02:43] ^_^ [02:43] And/or more edubuntu? [02:45] i might have a couple of the PPC discs, and yes I have more Edubuntu as well [02:45] do you need more? [02:51] If you have more x86-32 edubuntu, I could use them. [02:51] I'm in talks to supply the God Father program with edubuntu. [02:51] They want me to talk to their volunteers in January about how Free software can help children and low-income families. [02:53] If you can, I'd like to see if you want to tag along. [02:53] Details are TBD. [02:53] Since you're the one with the hookup. === freeflying_ [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:10] apokryphos: mind if I reject our bug 67017 ? [03:10] Malone bug 67017 in kdeutils "KWallets disappear after 061017's upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/67017 [03:10] well, set it to fix released? === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-211-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@cpe-76-173-8-128.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:40] manchicken: sorry, i was watching little people, big world :) sure i am sure i could help out with that project, just let me know [04:40] Groovy. [04:41] It's a faith-based youth program here on the south side. I wanted to volunteer, but they only have stuff going on while I'm at work, so this is how I'm helping. [04:42] nice === nixternal needs more food === manchicken needs to stop idling #kubuntu [04:49] This guy is trying to update openoffice, and I told him to try updating with apt-get and he keeps doing stuff in adept [04:50] I'm not even convinced that oo.org 2.0.4 was backported to dapper. [04:51] no it wasn't [04:51] not yet at least [04:54] http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper-backports/allpackages.en.txt.gz [05:00] OK, I give up on kssh [05:01] What benefit does kssh give you that just using konsole with openssh doesn't give you? [05:02] I could personally care less about kssh :-) [05:02] I was trying to help ryanakca [05:03] Oh, you were doing the merge? [05:03] Is it on the merge list? [05:03] bddebian is my package uploading freak..he went on a rampage the other day with my bogus packages :) [05:04] manchicken: it's like putty, it stores sessions, etc [05:04] I thought I saw it on the merge list. [05:04] Well the upstream build system is jacked I think [05:04] I don't even see a version of it in the archives currently? [05:05] ryanakca: I guess I've always just been more of a raw terminal guy. [05:05] On windows I won't use putty, I just use xterm with cygwin [05:06] manchicken: http://kssh.sourceforge.net/ [05:06] manchicken: same, but people have been asking for it [05:06] Ah. [05:06] That's where I saw it. [05:06] The requests list. [05:07] What's weird is I get the same error if I build it outside of the source tree. Then I do a ./configure in the source tree and a make distclean and then a build outside the source tree it works [05:08] now, for the brave among you, http://dpaste.com/3844/ (qmake-qt4 & cdbs) [05:08] I get those errors [05:09] bddebian: yeah... I think the people who need kssh are terminal savyy enough to open up console or switch to vt1 and use plain old command line ssh [05:09] s/console/konsole [05:14] Well it SHOULD work :-( [05:15] hmm... it's demented... [05:16] who's ubuntu's "best" packager? we should dump it on their laps [05:16] Sure as hell ain't me obviously :-) [05:17] anywais, really going to bed :) [05:17] nor me :) [05:18] LMAO. [05:18] Gnight [05:19] This guy thought he'd installed some edgy packages on his dapper build, and I was trying to help him out, and he just says "manchicken ty for help i will reinstall whole system" [05:21] Eeks [05:22] hi all [05:22] howdy. [05:23] Heya freeflying_ [05:32] So, what else needs hacking? === neoncode [n=neoncode@89.241.58.30] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:36] manchicken: kssh ;-P [05:38] I thought that just needed packaging... [05:38] jdong: pong [05:38] moins all [05:39] imbrandon: hi [05:39] imbrandon: did you see my patch? [05:39] manchicken: ? where [05:39] heya freeflying_ [05:40] I sent one to you and I think I may have sent 2 to the kubuntu-devel list. [05:40] ahh ok [05:41] manchicken: imbrandon@kubuntu.org or imbrandon@ubuntu.com ? [05:41] cool [05:41] i'll check here in just a sec === imbrandon is just waking up and such [05:42] ubuntu I believe. [05:43] kk [05:43] yea i get both , no big deal, the main thing was the imbrandon@ [05:43] :) [05:44] manchicken: Sure, it "just needs packaging" :-) [05:45] heya bddebian [05:45] Hi imbrandon [05:45] bddebian: I'm not a packaging kinda guy... I'm nothing but a humble hacker. [05:45] Well I'm neither, so touche :) [05:45] bddebian: shush [05:45] :) [05:46] manchicken: well hackin and packin are very similar at times, alot you need the skills of the other to get the job done :) [05:46] s/alot/alot\ of\ times/ [05:46] imbrandon: Did you see my screenshots? [05:47] imbrandon: ok, since I'm awake, I'll ask anyway [05:47] imbrandon: quick question... what in KDE-land can transfer videos onto an ipod? [05:48] jdong: no ida i only have a music ipod ( nano ) so i never tried, but i'll lookinto if libgpod does it [05:48] tonight [05:48] manchicken: i havent checked my mail yet, i'll check it here in a few minutes when i wakeup a bit [05:48] imbrandon: thanks very much, nighty night :) [05:49] imbrandon: Consciousness is for the weak. ;) [05:49] :) [05:49] heh [05:49] :) [05:51] whats your real name ( or email ) so i search my email [05:51] i have TONS of messages :) [05:53] Michael D. Stemle, Jr. [05:53] ahh right the systemsetting email [05:53] From manchicken at notsosoft dot net [05:53] Yeah. [05:53] That's the feller. [05:54] kk yea i glanced over that, looks ok to me, i'll have a closer look here in about ~1 hour when i get into the office [05:54] and have had some coffee [05:54] :) [05:55] has it been sent upstream also ? [05:55] or just to us? [05:55] or ... [05:55] I wasn't aware that kde-systemsettings was externally maintained. [05:56] If you tell me who to send patches to, I'll send patches. [05:56] It's not a terribly neat change, but it does make the UI more intuitive. [05:56] yea its an actual kde project afaik :) sebas and el are the "fathers" of it , i'll look into it a bit more for you exactly [05:57] will you be on for another hour or two ? [05:57] Ah. [05:57] I'll be on for another hour. [05:57] i've gotta teach a youth group tomorrow. [05:57] heh [05:58] kk i'm headed tot he office now, if i dont catch you when i get in there i'll email you a little more details, its not that we cant include it without being upstream also but the changes may benifet all :) [05:59] so we'll try to do both if thats cool with you [05:59] Totally. [06:00] ok i'm off for ~45 minutes to an hour, brb === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:06] laptop went into hybernate due to battery dropping to 5%, i brought it out, and sound doesn't work...file a bug against??? [06:07] Ouch. [06:08] Anything in dmesg? [06:08] nothing out of the ordinaary [06:12] nothing like a friendly reboot to fix the problem [06:12] I hate rebooting to solve those problems. [06:12] Did you try the rmmod && modprobe method? [06:13] of course not [06:13] i needed to reboot it anyways [06:14] I finally rebooted for those kernel updates about 2 hours ago. [06:41] night all [06:48] g'nite mikeypoo [06:50] re === tonyyserver [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:55] ro === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@cpe-76-173-8-128.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nuku_ [n=j@unaffiliated/nuku] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-111-223.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cmvo [n=cmvo@ex4.73a.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GreyStar [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:42] imbrandon: i've thrown a versoin of the new libmtp onto revu for you to upload, if you want [09:43] imbrandon: else i can find a sponsor for it (and then rebuild amarok, presumably( [09:43] kk i'll grab it in a minute [09:44] new from upstream or debian ? [09:44] imbrandon: upstream [09:44] k [09:44] then i need to upload to debian too tonight [09:44] libmtp appears not to exist in debian [09:44] yea i have the itp for it [09:44] ah [09:44] cool [09:44] its in new , or should be shortly [09:45] cool [09:46] Hobbsee: i dont see it on revu [09:47] wanna just mail me a debdiff ( or post it somewhere ? ) [09:55] nvm its on revu now [10:02] Hobbsee: uploaded , thanks! [10:02] once its in the archive i'll rebuild amarok against it === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:24] ryanakca: sure === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sebas [i=sebas@belphegor.deadlysins.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:29] imbrandon: cool === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_at_home [n=jack@221.218.224.19] has joined #kubuntu-devel === MidMark [n=marco@host-84-221-103-93.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:55] hi, someone have ever tried to install libqt3-mt-dev? It fails! [11:56] Bug #66905 [11:56] Malone bug 66905 in qt-x11-free "libqt3-mt-dev doesn't install due to libglu1-mesa-dev dependencies problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/66905 [11:58] MidMark: using beryl/compiz? [11:59] MidMark: it installs fine here [11:59] I have installed in the past [12:00] so the solution is uninstall libgl1-mesa and installs again? [12:00] i9 didnt have to uninstall it [12:00] MidMark: probably. [12:00] well, you have to fix the deps, anyway [12:01] yes I cannot, he wants to uninstall ALL :( [12:01] MidMark: try sudo apt-get -f install [12:01] you need to manually install libglu1-mesa (version 6.5.1-20060817) and then stay away from beryl. [12:01] and other crack [12:01] ie, download it, or grab it from your apt-cache, then dpkg -i it [12:01] I have never touched beryl, only compiz [12:02] compiz was the one with the libglu1-mesa version issues [12:03] i have feisty compiz & edgy beryl installed and i have no depends issues so far (im just lucky though) [12:03] stay away from compiz too then, unless it's hte version in the ubuntu repos [12:03] why there is no libglu1-mesa in packages.ubuntu.com [12:03] gnomefreak: hopefully not the edgy beryl on feisty? [12:03] Hobbsee: the version in feisty is all good [12:03] Hobbsee: yep [12:03] not for long i wont [12:04] but for next few days i will [12:04] MidMark: because your'e looking at sources? [12:04] ok found.... [12:04] sarah@sarah:~$ madison libglu1-mesa [12:04] libglu1-mesa | 6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/main Packages [12:04] libglu1-mesa | 6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages [12:04] mesa | 6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Sources [12:04] no, try to search libglu1-mesa in the search, for package, nothing [12:04] I've Edgy :) [12:05] anyway I found it searching only mesa [12:05] MidMark: you are on edgy? === Hobbsee updates her edgy pbuilder [12:05] gnomefreak: yes [12:06] MidMark: than why did you file a bug agaisnt feisty [12:06] I didn't filed the bug if you see, I'm Cimmo [12:06] oh [12:06] gnomefreak: it doesnt say feisty [12:06] that being said, i'm rejecting it [12:07] the bug was only in french, with a stupid subject [12:07] MidMark: the reason for your issue is you once had old compiz installed and thats why you have the depends issue === Zerlinna [n=Zerlinna@C6ecc.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:07] gnomefreak: understood, sorry for that [12:07] ty Hobbsee i was gonna do that if you didnt ;) [12:07] gnomefreak: :) [12:08] now it works, thanx :) === Hobbsee mutters about unofficial repos === Hobbsee wants a big screen of doom about them [12:09] Hobbsee: as you can see I've helped to close a 2 months bug older... and continue... [12:09] MidMark: yay, thankyou :) [12:10] Hobbsee: also there is a debdiff proposal now for wxwidgets edgy version [12:10] Hobbsee: now compiz in feisty repos is packaged by seb :) and its fairly nice with easy setup :) [12:10] for a SRU? you've followed !sru, presumably? [12:10] gnomefreak: yes, then they cant break in such a way that we cant fix it :) [12:11] yep :) === gnomefreak likes it but i wish themes were out for it instead of just kwin/metacity themes [12:12] Hobbsee: see the bug, I'm not the debdiff builder [12:13] nixternal: FYI, you dont have to change the changelog for what release it builds on - just tell it which pbuilder to use, or build it on your own system, and it will take that arch and release [12:19] anyway I don't want to flame, but synaptic is faster and better than adept... I have tried and love it since it hasn't all the bug of adept... [12:20] MidMark: it requires installing a whole lot of gtk libs by default to run, though [12:22] MidMark: apt is much more versital/faster/easier than synaptic/adept [12:22] :) brb smoke [12:22] Hobbsee: yes but when you run it loads everythings in 1/5 of times, it supports user requests (like sun-java5), it adds cdrom to sources and it shows to you WHY a package won't install, by the way, with adept I wasn't able to discover that I cannot install libqt3-mt-dev due to libglu1-mesa [12:22] MidMark: i know. actually, you may have, by hitting "show details" [12:23] Hobbsee: it isn't enough... if you have >20 dependencies? You try all? [12:24] i dont use adept [12:24] well, not much [12:25] mmm I have another dep problem: anyone can install libartsc0-dev? [12:25] MidMark: yep [12:26] damn! [12:26] I have dapper package?1?!? === Hobbsee has no idea.... === gnomefreak would like to see synaptic/adept do things like list known bugs on packages you will install, act like windows update notifier and fix depends like apt can :) [12:28] among other things === MidMark fixed it... [12:29] yay :) === gnomefreak can also run updates while installing packages :) [12:29] I had arts 1.5.5 from dapper... probably another unofficial repo [12:29] quite likely [12:29] !info arts dapper [12:30] arts: sound system from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.2-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB [12:30] !info arts [12:30] arts: sound system from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.4-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB [12:30] must have been a crackport [12:30] ooh, a definite crackport then. the majority of arts crashed constantly with any kde release [12:30] thats what im thinking unless its for kde 3.5.5 [12:30] did we do kde 3.5.5 for dapper? [12:31] nope [12:31] MidMark: run apt-cache policy libartsc0-dev [12:31] Hobbsee: that doesnt mean someone did ;) [12:31]