[12:16] <manchicken> Yeah.
[12:16] <manchicken> http://www.notsosoft.net/snapshots/snapshot3.png
[12:16] <manchicken> http://www.notsosoft.net/snapshots/snapshot2.png
[12:16] <Riddell> where? where?
[12:17] <Riddell> mmm
[12:17] <manchicken> You like?
[12:17] <Riddell> what happens when you click on a module though?
[12:18] <manchicken> The widget stack raises a new module view widget.
[12:18] <manchicken> Above all tabs.
[12:18] <manchicken> So you don't see the tabs.
[12:18] <manchicken> I kinda like it that way.
[12:18] <Riddell> yeah, that seems like a good idea
[12:18] <Riddell> any comment from seele yet?
[12:18] <manchicken> I figure when you're in the module, you should stay there until you want to go back.
[12:18] <sebas> Riddell: Can  you send me your mobile phone number?
[12:18] <Riddell> sebas: jriddell.org/contact.html
[12:18] <sebas> I'm in Edinburgh next week, we could go out for a drink / some food
[12:19] <sebas> Excellent
[12:19] <Riddell> sebas: I'm /probably/ out of town next week
[12:19] <sebas> I'll just try
[12:19] <Riddell> sebas: when are you there?
[12:19] <sebas> Mon afternoon - Sat morning
[12:20] <manchicken> Riddell: Did you get my email with the diffs?
[12:20] <sebas> What's the phone number + country code (doublecheck)?
[12:20] <Riddell> I don't actually plan to be in edinburgh at all next week, but my aunt is about to die so I may be going back there at an unpredictable time
[12:20] <Riddell> +44  take of an 0 at the start
[12:20] <sebas> Thanks.
[12:20] <sebas> Ouch, have strength then
[12:21] <Riddell> mobile numbers in .uk start with 07, landlines with 01 or 02
[12:23] <Riddell> manchicken: I did thanks, but I'm away from home and not likely to be compiling stuff for the next week, but it looks good so I'm happy for anyone else to upload assuming seele agrees it's sane
[12:23] <Riddell> tonio probably a good guy to poke for uploading
[12:24] <manchicken> That's cool.
[12:26] <manchicken> I'll leave the newlywed alone for a while ^_^
[12:27] <Riddell> he's not wed yet!
[12:27] <manchicken> I remember what it was like when I was there ^_^
[12:27] <manchicken> Oh?
[12:27] <manchicken> I suppose I heard wrong.
[12:27] <manchicken> heh
[12:27] <manchicken> ^_^
[12:27] <manchicken> Then I'll give him something else to think about than a wedding.
[12:27] <Riddell> not until 2008 infact
[12:31] <manchicken> Fun.
[01:33] <manchicken> Riddell: What else needs hacking/
[01:37] <jdong> imbrandon: ping
[01:39] <manchicken> I think you're dropping packets..
[01:39] <manchicken> jdong: What you up to?
[01:40] <jdong> I am?
[01:40] <jdong> lol
[01:40] <jdong> :D
[01:40] <jdong> ipod fun
[01:40] <jdong> decided to get a 30G video ipod today
[01:40] <manchicken> Yeah?
[01:40] <jdong> yeah,
[01:40] <jdong> so far I like it
[01:40] <jdong> it doesn't seem evil at all ;-)
[01:40] <manchicken> Those are great for throwing rockbox on.
[01:40] <manchicken> The ipod itself can be okay.
[01:40] <manchicken> It's itunes that is evil ^_^
[01:40] <jdong> manchicken: call me when it plays realtime H264/AAC's
[01:41] <jdong> well, I haven't seen itunes yet
[01:41] <jdong> what's that? ;-)
[01:41] <manchicken> Why would you want to play AAC?
[01:41] <jdong> manchicken: videos
[01:41] <manchicken> AAC is a DRMed format.
[01:41] <jdong> manchicken: no it's not
[01:42] <jdong> DRM'ed m4a's are a drm'ed format
[01:42] <jdong> aac is an mpeg-4 audio standard
[01:42] <jdong> was just wondering if amarok supports / will support transferring videos to ipods
[01:42] <jdong> I tried doing one and it put the video in the audio folders
[01:43] <jdong> and needless to say that didn't work all that well
[01:43] <manchicken> ogg is nice.
[01:43] <jdong> on the bright side I did see what a rebooting ipod looks like
[01:43] <jdong> I like ogg too
[01:43] <manchicken> The OEM ipod firmware works.
[01:43] <jdong> it just doesn't let me encode 64kbit sound tracks to my movies and still hear them
[01:43] <manchicken> It's just the stupid DRM crap
[01:43] <jdong> well, I'm not putting any drm songs
[01:43] <jdong> or buying drm'ed content
[01:43] <jdong> I'll probably try rockbox for fun within the next few days
[01:44] <jdong> but for now I'll use the ipod the way it is
[01:44] <manchicken> Just make sure you dd your firmware.
[01:44] <jdong> aye
[01:45] <manchicken> I have no problem with devices that support it.  It's the people who sell the content who're to blame, not the ones selling the devices.
[01:45] <jdong> I see
[01:45] <jdong> all I know is...
[01:45] <jdong> I've looked around and tried a lot of video players
[01:45] <manchicken> I'm sure Creative would love to avoid spending money on research and licensing fees, but with geniuses like the CEO of Universal Records forcing DRM down our throats they have little choice.
[01:46] <jdong> and the ipod still comes back as my favorite
[01:46] <manchicken> I'm looking to nab one of those Neuros music players.
[01:46] <manchicken> 80GB, internal FM broadcaster.
[01:46] <jdong> the main reason though...
[01:46] <jdong> I've got a local warehouse store here
[01:46] <manchicken> I have no interest in videos.
[01:46] <jdong> that has an infinite return policy
[01:46] <jdong> and they only carry ipods
[01:46] <jdong> so I'd rather buy from them
[01:47] <jdong> over the years I've really developed a loyalty to the store
[01:47] <manchicken> As I said, I kinda like ipods.
[01:47] <manchicken> My wife has one.
[01:47] <manchicken> It's nice.
[01:47] <jdong> I returned a flat panel the other day that broke after 4 years of duty
[01:47] <jdong> got my $400 back
[01:47] <nixternal> i run Rockbox on my iPoop
[01:47] <jdong> and I lost the receipt too
[01:47] <jdong> I'm mainly getting it for the video support...
[01:48] <jdong> that's my primary motivation
[01:48] <jdong> so unfortunately ipodlinux/rockbox don't suit me well for that :(
[01:48] <manchicken> I run OEM firmware.
[01:48] <manchicken> I believe the Neuros one may have free software firmware
[01:49] <manchicken> I'm gonna be awful bored this week without something to hack.
[01:49] <nixternal> iPodLinux has a long way to go yet
[01:49] <nixternal> Rockbox + Amarok need to socialize and pick up the speed as well
[01:50] <manchicken> I don't think that we need to put a linux kernel on everything.
[01:50] <manchicken> Linux is **NOT** the best kernel for all computing needs.
[01:50] <manchicken> Mobile music players particularly.
[01:51] <manchicken> I have no pride in the linux kernel.
[01:51] <manchicken> It's about Freedom in software, not any specific kernel.
[01:52] <manchicken> which reminds me...
[01:52] <nixternal> amen
[01:52] <manchicken> I'm wanting to check out GNU with a Darwin kernel.
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hey manchicken
[01:52] <manchicken> Wuddup man?
[01:52] <nixternal> lol
[01:53] <manchicken> (or woman?)
[01:53] <manchicken> (has no idea)
[01:53] <manchicken> Ah.
[01:53] <nixternal> hehe
[01:53] <manchicken> I'll do my best to remember ^_^
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:54] <manchicken> 9 times out of 10 I'm right on the money.
[01:54] <manchicken> We need more she-hackers out there ^_^
[01:54] <nixternal> manchicken: she will make you remember with the "long pointy stick of doom"
[01:54] <nixternal> manchicken: CoDLUG now has a she-hacker :)
[01:54] <Hobbsee> manchicken: true that.  and i need to learn how to program :P
[01:54] <manchicken> did you see my patch?
[01:55] <manchicken> C++ classes are overrated.
[01:55] <nixternal> im taking it next semester Hobbsee
[01:55] <manchicken> I took one.
[01:55] <manchicken> I didn't really care for it.
[01:55] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:55] <nixternal> i need as much programming course as the government will pay for
[01:55] <manchicken> Though I'm generally biased against programming courses though, so take my opinion for what it's worth ;)
[01:56] <Hobbsee> my timetable sucks if i'm going to do the classes for my degree (grumble)
[01:56] <manchicken> Why don't you just start programming?
[01:56] <manchicken> ^_^
[01:56] <manchicken> You think I've got oodles of C++ experience?
[01:56] <Hobbsee> i do, a bit
[01:57] <Hobbsee> main problem is a lack of time
[01:57] <manchicken> Good ^_^
[01:57] <manchicken> I know that feeling.
[02:00] <ryanakca> nixternal: you know about packaging kde4 apps?
[02:01] <nixternal> can't say that i do just yet
[02:01] <nixternal> i was planning on starting with some kde4 stuff within the next week or so as well
[02:03] <ryanakca> Riddell: You around? I'm wondering about qmake.mk & qmake-qt4...
[02:05] <nixternal> well, ls -l qmake.mk to see if it is pointing to a v3 or v4 maker..i use qmake-qt4
[02:22] <manchicken> I thought they were using cmake for everything now.
[02:28] <ryanakca> nixternal: qmake.mk uses qmake... (qmake-qt3)
[02:33] <nixternal> i wonder if you install qt4, is it a simple update-alternative
[02:37] <ryanakca> no clue
[02:43] <manchicken> nixternal: You got any PPC branded discs?
[02:43] <manchicken> ^_^
[02:43] <manchicken> And/or more edubuntu?
[02:45] <nixternal> i might have a couple of the PPC discs, and yes I have more Edubuntu as well
[02:45] <nixternal> do you need more?
[02:51] <manchicken> If you have more x86-32 edubuntu, I could use them.
[02:51] <manchicken> I'm in talks to supply the God Father program with edubuntu.
[02:51] <manchicken> They want me to talk to their volunteers in January about how Free software can help children and low-income families.
[02:53] <manchicken> If you can, I'd like to see if you want to tag along.
[02:53] <manchicken> Details are TBD.
[02:53] <manchicken> Since you're the one with the hookup.
[03:10] <ryanakca> apokryphos: mind if I reject our bug 67017 ?
[03:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67017 in kdeutils "KWallets disappear after 061017's upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67017
[03:10] <ryanakca> well, set it to fix released?
[04:40] <nixternal> manchicken: sorry, i was watching little people, big world :)  sure i am sure i could help out with that project, just let me know
[04:40] <manchicken> Groovy.
[04:41] <manchicken> It's a faith-based youth program here on the south side.  I wanted to volunteer, but they only have stuff going on while I'm at work, so this is how I'm helping.
[04:42] <nixternal> nice
[04:49] <manchicken> This guy is trying to update openoffice, and I told him to try updating with apt-get and he keeps doing stuff in adept
[04:50] <manchicken> I'm not even convinced that oo.org 2.0.4 was backported to dapper.
[04:51] <nixternal> no it wasn't
[04:51] <nixternal> not yet at least
[04:54] <nixternal> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper-backports/allpackages.en.txt.gz
[05:00] <bddebian> OK, I give up on kssh
[05:01] <manchicken> What benefit does kssh give you that just using konsole with openssh doesn't give you?
[05:02] <bddebian> I could personally care less about kssh :-)
[05:02] <bddebian> I was trying to help ryanakca
[05:03] <manchicken> Oh, you were doing the merge?
[05:03] <bddebian> Is it on the merge list?
[05:03] <nixternal> bddebian is my package uploading freak..he went on a rampage the other day with my bogus packages :)
[05:04] <ryanakca> manchicken: it's like putty, it stores sessions, etc
[05:04] <manchicken> I thought I saw it on the merge list.
[05:04] <bddebian> Well the upstream build system is jacked I think
[05:04] <bddebian> I don't even see a version of it in the archives currently?
[05:05] <manchicken> ryanakca: I guess I've always just been more of a raw terminal guy.
[05:05] <manchicken> On windows I won't use putty, I just use xterm with cygwin
[05:06] <ryanakca> manchicken: http://kssh.sourceforge.net/
[05:06] <ryanakca> manchicken: same, but people have been asking for it
[05:06] <manchicken> Ah.
[05:06] <manchicken> That's where I saw it.
[05:06] <manchicken> The requests list.
[05:07] <bddebian> What's weird is I get the same error if I build it outside of the source tree.  Then I do a ./configure in the source tree and a make distclean and then a build outside the source tree it works
[05:08] <ryanakca> now, for the brave among you, http://dpaste.com/3844/ (qmake-qt4 & cdbs)
[05:08] <ryanakca> I get those errors
[05:09] <ryanakca> bddebian: yeah... I think the people who need kssh are terminal savyy enough to open up console or switch to vt1 and use plain old command line ssh
[05:09] <ryanakca> s/console/konsole
[05:14] <bddebian> Well it SHOULD work :-(
[05:15] <ryanakca> hmm... it's demented...
[05:16] <ryanakca> who's ubuntu's "best" packager? we should dump it on their laps
[05:16] <bddebian> Sure as hell ain't me obviously :-)
[05:17] <ryanakca> anywais, really going to bed :)
[05:17] <ryanakca> nor me :)
[05:18] <manchicken> LMAO.
[05:18] <bddebian> Gnight
[05:19] <manchicken> This guy thought he'd installed some edgy packages on his dapper build, and I was trying to help him out, and he just says "manchicken ty for help  i will reinstall whole system"
[05:21] <bddebian> Eeks
[05:22] <freeflying_> hi all
[05:22] <manchicken> howdy.
[05:23] <bddebian> Heya freeflying_
[05:32] <manchicken> So, what else needs hacking?
[05:36] <bddebian> manchicken: kssh ;-P
[05:38] <manchicken> I thought that just needed packaging...
[05:38] <imbrandon> jdong: pong
[05:38] <imbrandon> moins all
[05:39] <freeflying_> imbrandon: hi
[05:39] <manchicken> imbrandon: did you see my patch?
[05:39] <imbrandon> manchicken: ? where
[05:39] <imbrandon> heya freeflying_
[05:40] <manchicken> I sent one to you and I think I may have sent 2 to the kubuntu-devel list.
[05:40] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[05:41] <imbrandon> manchicken: imbrandon@kubuntu.org or imbrandon@ubuntu.com ?
[05:41] <imbrandon> cool
[05:41] <imbrandon> i'll check here in just a sec
[05:42] <manchicken> ubuntu I believe.
[05:43] <imbrandon> kk
[05:43] <imbrandon> yea i get both , no big deal, the main thing was the imbrandon@
[05:43] <imbrandon> :)
[05:44] <bddebian> manchicken: Sure, it "just needs packaging" :-)
[05:45] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[05:45] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[05:45] <manchicken> bddebian: I'm not a packaging kinda guy... I'm nothing but a humble hacker.
[05:45] <bddebian> Well I'm neither, so touche :)
[05:45] <imbrandon> bddebian: shush
[05:45] <imbrandon> :)
[05:46] <imbrandon> manchicken: well hackin and packin are very similar at times, alot you need the skills of the other to get the job done :)
[05:46] <imbrandon> s/alot/alot\ of\ times/
[05:46] <manchicken> imbrandon: Did you see my screenshots?
[05:47] <jdong> imbrandon: ok, since I'm awake, I'll ask anyway
[05:47] <jdong> imbrandon: quick question... what in KDE-land can transfer videos onto an ipod?
[05:48] <imbrandon> jdong: no ida i only have a music ipod ( nano ) so i never tried, but i'll lookinto if libgpod does it
[05:48] <imbrandon> tonight
[05:48] <imbrandon> manchicken: i havent checked my mail yet, i'll check it here in a few minutes when i wakeup a bit
[05:48] <jdong> imbrandon: thanks very much, nighty night :)
[05:49] <manchicken> imbrandon: Consciousness is for the weak. ;)
[05:49] <imbrandon> :)
[05:49] <bddebian> heh
[05:49] <imbrandon> :)
[05:51] <imbrandon> whats your real name ( or email ) so i search my email
[05:51] <imbrandon> i have TONS of messages :)
[05:53] <manchicken> Michael D. Stemle, Jr.
[05:53] <imbrandon> ahh right the systemsetting email
[05:53] <manchicken> From manchicken at notsosoft dot net
[05:53] <manchicken> Yeah.
[05:53] <manchicken> That's the feller.
[05:54] <imbrandon> kk yea i glanced over that, looks ok to me, i'll have a closer look here in about ~1 hour when i get into the office
[05:54] <imbrandon> and have had some coffee
[05:54] <imbrandon> :)
[05:55] <imbrandon> has it been sent upstream also ?
[05:55] <imbrandon> or just to us?
[05:55] <imbrandon> or ...
[05:55] <manchicken> I wasn't aware that kde-systemsettings was externally maintained.
[05:56] <manchicken> If you tell me who to send patches to, I'll send patches.
[05:56] <manchicken> It's not a terribly neat change, but it does make the UI more intuitive.
[05:56] <imbrandon> yea its an actual kde project afaik :) sebas and el are the "fathers" of it , i'll look into it a bit more for you exactly
[05:57] <imbrandon> will you be on for another hour or two ?
[05:57] <manchicken> Ah.
[05:57] <manchicken> I'll be on for another hour.
[05:57] <manchicken> i've gotta teach a youth group tomorrow.
[05:57] <manchicken> heh
[05:58] <imbrandon> kk i'm headed tot he office now, if i dont catch you when i get in there i'll email you a little more details, its not that we cant include it without being upstream also but the changes may benifet all :)
[05:59] <imbrandon> so we'll try to do both if thats cool with you
[05:59] <manchicken> Totally.
[06:00] <imbrandon> ok i'm off for ~45 minutes to an hour, brb
[06:06] <nixternal> laptop went into hybernate due to battery dropping to 5%, i brought it out, and sound doesn't work...file a bug against???
[06:07] <manchicken> Ouch.
[06:08] <manchicken> Anything in dmesg?
[06:08] <nixternal> nothing out of the ordinaary
[06:12] <nixternal> nothing like a friendly reboot to fix the problem
[06:12] <manchicken> I hate rebooting to solve those problems.
[06:12] <manchicken> Did you try the rmmod && modprobe method?
[06:13] <nixternal> of course not
[06:13] <nixternal> i needed to reboot it anyways
[06:14] <manchicken> I finally rebooted for those kernel updates about 2 hours ago.
[06:41] <manchicken> night all
[06:48] <nixternal> g'nite mikeypoo
[06:50] <imbrandon> re
[06:55] <nixternal> ro
[09:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i've thrown a versoin of the new libmtp onto revu for you to upload, if you want
[09:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: else i can find a sponsor for it (and then rebuild amarok, presumably(
[09:43] <imbrandon> kk i'll grab it in a minute
[09:44] <imbrandon> new from upstream or debian ?
[09:44] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: upstream
[09:44] <imbrandon> k
[09:44] <imbrandon> then i need to upload to debian too tonight
[09:44] <Hobbsee> libmtp appears not to exist in debian
[09:44] <imbrandon> yea i have the itp for it
[09:44] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:44] <Hobbsee> cool
[09:44] <imbrandon> its in new , or should be shortly
[09:45] <Hobbsee> cool
[09:46] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: i dont see it on revu
[09:47] <imbrandon> wanna just mail me a debdiff ( or post it somewhere ? )
[09:55] <imbrandon> nvm its on revu now
[10:02] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: uploaded , thanks!
[10:02] <imbrandon> once its in the archive i'll rebuild amarok against it
[10:24] <apokryphos> ryanakca: sure
[11:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: cool
[11:55] <MidMark> hi, someone have ever tried to install libqt3-mt-dev? It fails!
[11:56] <MidMark> Bug #66905
[11:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66905 in qt-x11-free "libqt3-mt-dev doesn't install due to libglu1-mesa-dev dependencies problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66905
[11:58] <gnomefreak> MidMark: using beryl/compiz?
[11:59] <gnomefreak> MidMark: it installs fine here
[11:59] <MidMark> I have installed in the past
[12:00] <MidMark> so the solution is uninstall libgl1-mesa and installs again?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> i9 didnt have to uninstall it
[12:00] <Hobbsee> MidMark: probably.
[12:00] <Hobbsee> well, you have to fix the deps, anyway
[12:01] <MidMark> yes I cannot, he wants to uninstall ALL :(
[12:01] <gnomefreak> MidMark: try sudo apt-get -f install
[12:01] <Hobbsee> you need to manually install libglu1-mesa (version 6.5.1-20060817) and then stay away from beryl.
[12:01] <Hobbsee> and other crack
[12:01] <Hobbsee> ie, download it, or grab it from your apt-cache, then dpkg -i it
[12:01] <MidMark> I have never touched beryl, only compiz
[12:02] <gnomefreak> compiz was the one with the libglu1-mesa version issues
[12:03] <gnomefreak> i have feisty compiz & edgy beryl installed and i have no depends issues so far (im just lucky though)
[12:03] <Hobbsee> stay away from compiz too then, unless it's hte version in the ubuntu repos
[12:03] <MidMark> why there is no libglu1-mesa in packages.ubuntu.com
[12:03] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: hopefully not the edgy beryl on feisty?
[12:03] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: the version in feisty is all good
[12:03] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: yep
[12:03] <gnomefreak> not for long i wont
[12:04] <gnomefreak> but for next few days i will
[12:04] <Hobbsee> MidMark: because your'e looking at sources?
[12:04] <MidMark> ok found....
[12:04] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ madison libglu1-mesa
[12:04] <Hobbsee> libglu1-mesa | 6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/main Packages
[12:04] <Hobbsee> libglu1-mesa | 6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages
[12:04] <Hobbsee>       mesa | 6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Sources
[12:04] <MidMark> no, try to search libglu1-mesa in the search, for package, nothing
[12:04] <MidMark> I've Edgy :)
[12:05] <MidMark> anyway I found it searching only mesa
[12:05] <gnomefreak> MidMark: you are on edgy?
[12:05] <MidMark> gnomefreak: yes
[12:06] <gnomefreak> MidMark: than why did you file a bug agaisnt feisty
[12:06] <MidMark> I didn't filed the bug if you see, I'm Cimmo
[12:06] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:06] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it doesnt say feisty
[12:06] <Hobbsee> that being said, i'm rejecting it
[12:07] <MidMark> the bug was only in french, with a stupid subject
[12:07] <gnomefreak> MidMark: the reason for your issue is you once had old compiz installed and thats why you have the depends issue
[12:07] <MidMark> gnomefreak: understood, sorry for that
[12:07] <gnomefreak> ty Hobbsee i was gonna do that if you didnt ;)
[12:07] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: :)
[12:08] <MidMark> now it works, thanx :)
[12:09] <MidMark> Hobbsee: as you can see I've helped to close a 2 months bug older... and continue...
[12:09] <Hobbsee> MidMark: yay, thankyou :)
[12:10] <MidMark> Hobbsee: also there is a debdiff proposal now for wxwidgets edgy version
[12:10] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: now compiz in feisty repos is packaged by seb :) and its fairly nice with easy setup :)
[12:10] <Hobbsee> for a SRU?  you've followed !sru, presumably?
[12:10] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yes, then they cant break in such a way that we cant fix it :)
[12:11] <gnomefreak> yep :)
[12:12] <MidMark> Hobbsee: see the bug, I'm not the debdiff builder
[12:13] <Hobbsee> nixternal: FYI, you dont have to change the changelog for what release it builds on - just tell it which pbuilder to use, or build it on your own system, and it will take that arch and release
[12:19] <MidMark> anyway I don't want to flame, but synaptic is faster and better than adept... I have tried and love it since it hasn't all the bug of adept...
[12:20] <Hobbsee> MidMark: it requires installing a whole lot of gtk libs by default to run, though
[12:22] <gnomefreak> MidMark: apt is much more versital/faster/easier than synaptic/adept
[12:22] <gnomefreak> :) brb smoke
[12:22] <MidMark> Hobbsee: yes but when you run it loads everythings in 1/5 of times, it supports user requests (like sun-java5), it adds cdrom to sources and it shows to you WHY a package won't install, by the way, with adept I wasn't able to discover that I cannot install libqt3-mt-dev due to libglu1-mesa
[12:22] <Hobbsee> MidMark: i know.  actually, you may have, by hitting "show details"
[12:23] <MidMark> Hobbsee: it isn't enough... if you have >20 dependencies? You try all?
[12:24] <Hobbsee> i dont use adept
[12:24] <Hobbsee> well, not much
[12:25] <MidMark> mmm I have another dep problem: anyone can install libartsc0-dev?
[12:25] <Hobbsee> MidMark: yep
[12:26] <MidMark> damn!
[12:26] <MidMark> I have dapper package?1?!?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> among other things
[12:29] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[12:29] <MidMark> I had arts 1.5.5 from dapper... probably another unofficial repo
[12:29] <Hobbsee> quite likely
[12:29] <gnomefreak> !info arts dapper
[12:30] <ubotu> arts: sound system from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.2-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB
[12:30] <gnomefreak> !info arts
[12:30] <ubotu> arts: sound system from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.4-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB
[12:30] <Hobbsee> must have been a crackport
[12:30] <Hobbsee> ooh, a definite crackport then.  the majority of arts crashed constantly with any kde release
[12:30] <gnomefreak> thats what im thinking unless its for kde 3.5.5
[12:30] <Hobbsee> did we do kde 3.5.5 for dapper?
[12:31] <gnomefreak> nope
[12:31] <Hobbsee> MidMark: run apt-cache policy libartsc0-dev
[12:31] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: that doesnt mean someone did ;)
[12:31] <MidMark> just resolved by myself, ubuntu.package.com is my bible
[12:31] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: most people arent insane enough to compile kde
[12:32] <gnomefreak> lol only you huh ;)
[12:32] <gnomefreak> MidMark: whole lot faster with wget :)
[12:33] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i didnt do any of them :P
[12:33] <gnomefreak> smart woman :)
[12:33] <gnomefreak> almost built it for konsole :(
[12:33] <MidMark> gnomefreak: I prefer staying without console, I can use it and I'm faster, but I have friends that are not skilled and smart, I've to keep in my mind, and follow their procedures (visual not consoles)
[12:33] <MidMark> all linux have to follow that procedure for me
[12:33] <MidMark> all linux devels I mean
[12:34] <MidMark> linux (kubuntu) will never have success if console is still needed
[12:34] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: mind you, looks like we're doing daily builds for kde4 soon
[12:34] <Hobbsee> MidMark: perhaps.  yet you'll never entirely eliminate it
[12:34] <gnomefreak> MidMark: console is never NEEDED in ubuntu but helpful
[12:35] <Hobbsee> MidMark: define sucess, anyway
[12:35] <Hobbsee> and a text editor is *not* the console
[12:35] <apokryphos> I think it's still used quite a bit for a few actions
[12:35] <MidMark> gnomefreak: are you sure?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: is it gonna be meta package or single items
[12:35] <MidMark> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperWhatStillNeedsAConsole
[12:35] <gnomefreak> MidMark: yes very
[12:35] <MidMark> made by myself and totally applicable to Edgy
[12:36] <MidMark> gnomefreak: it can easy to understand that you didn't try to do all without console, I did... and this is the result
[12:36] <gnomefreak> none of them are true
[12:36] <MidMark> gnomefreak: what?
[12:36] <gnomefreak> you can add cdrom repo with synaptic/maybe adept
[12:36] <MidMark> gnomefreak: it say ADEPT, and no, with it you can't
[12:37] <gnomefreak> to install packages or configure packages adept can do
[12:37] <MidMark> gnomefreak: before judge, TRY!
[12:37] <gnomefreak> MidMark: why cant you?
[12:37] <MidMark> gnomefreak: TRY!
[12:37] <apokryphos> the sources.list one isn't true
[12:37] <gnomefreak> MidMark: i also didnt say it for kde i said ubuntu
[12:37] <apokryphos> there's always the right-click edit with root option I believe
[12:37] <gnomefreak> wget ther eis a gui app for iot
[12:37] <MidMark> gnomefreak: for ubuntu there is another page
[12:37] <MidMark> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDapperWhatStillNeedsAConsole
[12:38] <gnomefreak> Removing a symbolic link that points to a file/directory on another file system   (right click the symlink and delete
[12:38] <gnomefreak> symlink making is only thing im not sure how to do in GUI
[12:39] <MidMark> apokryphos: where is edit as root? I can see only in krusader :/
[12:39] <gnomefreak> to open read only use nautilus without gksudo
[12:39] <gnomefreak> MidMark: also remember alot of things have changed since dapper
[12:39] <MidMark> gnomefreak: I don't know the ubuntu ones, I use kubuntu and I reported the kubuntu one, someone else copied for ubuntu
[12:40] <MidMark> for kubuntu I'm sure they are all TRUE
[12:41] <gnomefreak> the 2nd point is very false
[12:41] <MidMark> gnomefreak: which one?
[12:41] <gnomefreak> unlock adlept you can log out
[12:42] <gnomefreak> to install some packages that ask for a user interaction (ex. Java) you need a  sudo apt-get install <package>
[12:42] <gnomefreak> you can install java flash or anything else in adept
[12:42] <MidMark> gnomefreak: java not!
[12:42] <gnomefreak> MidMark: why not?
[12:42] <MidMark> gnomefreak: TRY TRY TRY
[12:42] <MidMark> you will see
[12:43] <apokryphos> ok, calm down
[12:43] <MidMark> gnomefreak: I'm calm, I don' t like people that hasn't tried and say that they are false!
[12:43] <gnomefreak> btw im not on dapper and im fairly sure i can
[12:44] <MidMark> gnomefreak: I'm in Edgy you cannot
[12:44] <Hobbsee> MidMark: when will you write a qt frontend to synaptic?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> MidMark: because that's the only way that adept will stop being distributed
[12:44] <apokryphos> when wil apt be scrapped? :P
[12:44] <MidMark> Hobbsee: :)
[12:44] <Hobbsee> MidMark: did you ever try ksynaptic?  it truly truly sucks.
[12:45] <apokryphos> oh yeah
[12:45] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: yeah, bring in smart and no source packages.
[12:45] <apokryphos> I thought that was added in 0.5
[12:45] <MidMark> gnomefreak: the point isn't if you like or not, but if they are true or not, and they are all true! they all require manual console adjusts!
[12:46] <apokryphos> but anyway, it wouldn't be at all hard to implement
[12:46] <apokryphos> I'm not saying smart is the solution, anyway. I think it'd be a very bad idea for Ubuntu to go with it, really. It'd require an insane amount of work.
[12:46] <Hobbsee> MidMark: get writing then
[12:46] <gnomefreak> it just installed fine for me
[12:46] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: no idea.  what is the solution?
[12:46] <apokryphos> who knows
[12:47] <MidMark> gnomefreak: what?
[12:47] <gnomefreak> MidMark: sun-java5-plugin installed fine in adept
[12:47] <MidMark> gnomefreak: of course :)
[12:47] <gnomefreak> even shows installed
[12:47] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: the licencing thingo.  it doesnt, known issue
[12:47] <apokryphos> doesn't stop apt sucking :P
[12:47] <gnomefreak> MidMark: you said it didnt
[12:47] <MidMark> gnomefreak: you have to install sun-java5-jre and bin not plugin
[12:48] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: the trouble is, they all seem to suck, or otherwise not work for how we want to implement it
[12:48] <MidMark> the one that ask you the license
[12:48] <apokryphos> well, nothing new. Most package management suck. Sigh.
[12:48] <gnomefreak> MidMark: plugin installs those both among other packages
[12:48] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: however, apt appears to do better than rpm
[12:48] <apokryphos> apt and rpm are not mutually exclusive
[12:48] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: yes, with the alien
[12:48] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i think smart also will do it but havent tried
[12:48] <apokryphos> no, as in, I think you mean rpm vs. debs/dpkg
[12:48] <MidMark> gnomefreak: apart plugins, have you tried to install WITH adept jre and bin?
[12:48] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: i meant between using all of one, or all of the other, apt wins
[12:49] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: point.  i did, sorry
[12:49] <Hobbsee> okay, what i actually meant was yast and apt
[12:49] <gnomefreak> MidMark: again works fine i have tried it before i used to be a kde only user
[12:49] <apokryphos> I haven't really seen anything to suggest that debs have much over rpms, actually
[12:49] <Hobbsee> blergh, someone's messing with my head again.
[12:49] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: apologies, i meant yast and apt
[12:49] <apokryphos> and I do know that rpm is biarch-compatible, while dpkg isn't
[12:49] <MidMark> gnomefreak: impossible, if you try with Edgy you cannot, tried 3 days ago with a fresh edgy install
[12:49] <MidMark> I'm 107% sure
[12:50] <apokryphos> "yast" is ambigious. There are a couple of backends that can run with yast
[12:50] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: whatever is the default in suse?
[12:50] <MidMark> the problem is the license asking for ok issue
[12:50] <apokryphos> zmd sucks, opensuse software management is good, but lacks quite a few things
[12:50] <apokryphos> yast is certainly the prettiest/most-user-friendly package management front-end I've seen, while still having all the power
[12:51] <Hobbsee> true
[12:51] <Hobbsee> as long as it doesnt freeze
[12:51] <gnomefreak> well sometime in the next week i will try on it a clean install of kubuntu but i dont see me having an issue and if adept doesnt pop up the lic. than adept needs to be fixed thats not kubuntu issue thats upstream kde
[12:51] <apokryphos> there's a new tool "zypper" out now which is very good but nto totally mature
[12:51] <gnomefreak> apokryphos: slowest too
[12:51] <apokryphos> part of the opensuse software management stack
[12:51] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: only with zmd :P
[12:51] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:52] <MidMark> gnomefreak: yes it's adept upstream problem, it is reported too in kde BR for months...
[12:52] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: mornfall knew about it, has no idea how to fix it
[12:52] <MidMark> none cares about it
[12:52] <Hobbsee> s/knew/knows/
[12:52] <apokryphos> is mornfall maintaining adept much these days?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: ish.  a little.  maybe more so than before
[12:52] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: than i think adept needs a big overhaul of their devel
[12:52] <Hobbsee> he's pushing to extend it to RPM's
[12:52] <apokryphos> still employed by redhat?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yes, apparently the code is crap
[12:53] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: shouldnt be that hard to add a popup
[12:53] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: no?  no idea
[12:53] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: -ENOPEOPLE
[12:53] <MidMark> Hobbsee: can open a console and dbus all the contents to it
[12:53] <Hobbsee> MidMark: sorry?
[12:53] <MidMark> I was just try to imagine the solution
[12:53] <gnomefreak> than maybe its a good idea to replace adept with that other package kpkgmanager
[12:53] <apokryphos> hm, maybe he wasn't actually
[12:54] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: now that really sucks.  you cant do that
[12:54] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: which sucks
[12:54] <Hobbsee> there are a couple of really nice smart-based ones around, or rpm based ones.  if you could teach them how to handle debs and all that, you'd be fine
[12:54] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: 2 sucky apps for apt frontends is a big regression
[12:54] <Hobbsee> or write a qt frontend to synatpic
[12:54] <apokryphos> the smart one is a lot like synaptic
[12:55] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: smartpm handles rpms and debs very well
[12:55] <apokryphos> mainly because the developer made (with others) synaptic too :P
[12:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:55] <Hobbsee> (within kubuntu)
[12:55] <MidMark> synaptic uses a console-emulator or something similar
[12:55] <apokryphos> it's gtk
[12:55] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: its gtk but its also CLI based if you like
[12:55] <apokryphos> works ok, but just nto as nice as yast's frontend
[12:55] <apokryphos> it has a root-jail session too, like y2pmsh
[12:56] <gnomefreak> yasts been around for many years
[12:56] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it'd need to be qt for inclusion in kubuntu (as a replacement)
[12:56] <apokryphos> it just means you can do many operations at once, by going into a jail session, and then commiting
[12:56] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: it would need so much more than that to be replacement in ubuntu :P
[12:56] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: hehe, probably
[12:56] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i know but how hard can it be to make qt version for someone that knows qt
[12:57] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: -ENOPEOPLE
[12:57] <apokryphos> it's one of the specs listed on the wiki page
[12:57] <apokryphos> but all the hype about smart has died down in ubuntu, generally. Maybe a good thing.
[12:57] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:57] <apokryphos> it was mentioned that ubuntu's not going to be working on biarch-compatibility, on the ML
[12:58] <gnomefreak> it has a few annoying bugs that are fixed in 0.5.0 but it was denied for feisty so far waiting for debian to get it out of new
[12:58] <MidMark> gnomefreak: anyway installs kubuntu edgy and try all the thing I've listed... if there are some wrongs then correct them :)
[12:58] <apokryphos> a real shame, but maybe practical
[12:59] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i was thinking as a replacement ;P
[01:00] <gnomefreak> replacement of .deb?
[01:00] <Hobbsee> of adept
[01:01] <gnomefreak> oh hell anything but adept
[01:01] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:01] <Hobbsee> except ksynaptic
[01:01] <gnomefreak> its not as up-to-date as anything else
[01:01] <mhb> hmm ... I'm not sure if there's a better package manager
[01:01] <gnomefreak> havent tried that
[01:01] <mhb> I mean for Kubuntu at this time
[01:01] <Hobbsee> mhb: yes, that's what i thought :(
[01:02] <apokryphos> there isn't
[01:02] <apokryphos> and it's a shame since money and a lot of time was spent on adept
[01:02] <MidMark> adept isn't so bad, it only needs 5-6 important fixes before adding new features
[01:03] <apokryphos> I don't really like the design
[01:03] <gnomefreak> adept is far behind the times
[01:03] <gnomefreak> i dont like the 65 different adepts instead of rolling them all in one
[01:04] <MidMark> yes trye
[01:04] <gnomefreak> its really like 5-6 but you get the point
[01:04] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: if i could i would be first one to do it
[01:04] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:04] <Hobbsee> learn it :P
[01:04] <MidMark> Hobbsee: my 5-6 fixes are the 5-6 that needs console listed before....
[01:05] <Hobbsee> get writing :P
[01:05] <gnomefreak> but its also all upstream problems
[01:05] <MidMark> gnomefreak: oh yes all upstream, but this doesn't help
[01:05] <gnomefreak> i know
[01:06] <gnomefreak> but also upstream doesnt want to change it from what i hear
[01:06] <gnomefreak> last i heard they thinks its fine
[01:06] <MidMark> fine??
[01:06] <MidMark> it's 1000miles far than fine
[01:07] <gnomefreak> thats why i use smart/apt/or synaptic for all my package needs
[01:07] <MidMark> anyway gotta go, thanx for the nice discussion, have a good sunday to all
[01:07] <gnomefreak> you too MidMark
[01:07] <gnomefreak> he cant be only upstream person though
[01:08] <gnomefreak> im sure theres ~20
[01:08] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: he is
[01:09] <gnomefreak> he is only upstream?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> there might be one other that does things occasionally
[01:09] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:09] <gnomefreak> omfg
[01:09] <gnomefreak> no wonder
[01:09] <gnomefreak> that explains alot
[01:09] <Hobbsee> hence, adept sucks in some areas, but you cant blame the one, non-paid coder (non-paid to my knowledge)
[01:10] <gnomefreak> true non-paid isnt gonna put coding first in life
[01:10] <gnomefreak> brb smoke while email downloads
[01:10] <Hobbsee> that's also part of the reason why kubuntu lacks so much - one paid dev
[01:11] <Hobbsee> okay
[01:12] <mhb> who's a student?
[01:12] <mhb> oh, sorry :o)
[01:12] <mhb> forgot to scroll down
[01:16] <mhb> isn't mornfall working for Red Hat?
[01:17] <gnomefreak> not sure only talked to him once or twice
[01:20] <mhb> gnomefreak: as far as I know Jonathan is the only full time Kubuntu dev ... Kenneth gets paid (something) as well, but he makes the artwork
[01:21] <gnomefreak> mhb: i thought during that strike thing jonathan and maybe \sh (not sure on second person) were paid
[01:21] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'sarah': Linux 2.6.20-2-generic running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: GenuineIntel(R)CPUT2250@1.73GHz at 800 MHz (3458 bogomips), , RAM: 439/1510MB, 135 proc's, 3.57min up
[01:21] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[01:22] <mhb> Hobbsee: nothing important, don't worry
[01:23] <Hobbsee> right
[01:23] <Hobbsee> hey toma
[01:23] <toma> hi Hobbsee
[01:23] <toma> and all!
[01:23] <mhb> good afternoon toma
[01:29] <toma> how is life in here?
[01:30] <mhb> good
[01:32] <toma> what is that?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> !info libmtp2 feisty
[01:32] <ubotu> libmtp2: Implementation of Microsoft's MTP. In component main, is optional. Version 0.0.18-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 48 kB, installed size 168 kB
[01:32] <Hobbsee> (for amarok)
[01:33] <toma> !info mtp
[01:33] <ubotu> Package mtp does not exist in any distro I know
[01:35] <mhb> adept-discussion: I guess the best solution would be to concentrate on the smart package manager for Kubuntu.
[01:36] <Hobbsee> mhb: depends if smart is introduced into ubuntu?
[01:37] <mhb> Hobbsee: I know there is a lot of issues
[01:40] <mhb> Hobbsee: but I guess smart will be introduced into ubuntu one day
[01:40] <Hobbsee> dunno
[01:40] <Hobbsee> there might be something better
[01:45] <apokryphos> I don't think it will for many years still
[01:45] <apokryphos> the biarch issues still have to be fixed in dpkg
[01:45] <apokryphos> and switching to smart would require an insane amount of manpower
[01:45] <apokryphos> all we really have about it is idealistic talks from sabdfl
[01:45] <mhb> well we should do something
[01:46] <mhb> even for me is the Adept UI confusing
[01:47] <mhb> is there a package manager for .debs written in pyqt?
[01:52] <mhb> I guess that means no :o)
[01:53] <fdoving> there is only kpackage and adept.. and kpkgmanager that i know of.
[01:53] <fdoving> adept is the best alternative as of now.
[01:53] <fdoving> kpkgmanager is not developed anymore.
[01:53] <mhb> all of them are C++?
[01:54] <fdoving> I think so.
[01:56] <mhb> a pyqt one would be useful.
[01:56] <apokryphos> they're all kde+qt, even
[01:58] <fdoving> kpackage can do much about the same as adept. it's not very good though. it handles sudo, it can manage repositories etc.
[01:58] <fdoving> not sure how it handles debconf stuff though.
[01:59] <fdoving> it does not look good.
[02:00] <mhb> is it possible to access the the konsole widget from pyqt now?
[02:02] <fdoving> don't know.
[02:02] <fdoving> ok.. kpackage is unusable.. broken in several areas.
[02:03] <apokryphos> kpackage is hardly an alternative, really
[03:31] <nano> I'm told that kubuntu is for beginners is that true?
[03:32] <mhb> nano: yes, but the -devel channel is definitely not for beginners ... more like for developers :o) try asking about Kubuntu in general on #kubuntu
[03:33] <nano> no, not in #kubuntu, last time I got a bad experience there
[03:33] <nano> my case is that I have a opensuse, and I want to try a new kde os
[03:34] <nano> some say kubuntu since its for beginners, other say try fedora
[03:35] <apokryphos> well join us in there now, and I promise to be friendly :_
[03:35] <apokryphos> nano: this channel is for developer-talk
[03:45] <nano> perhaps the developpers know why I have a black screen from the livecd ?
[03:51] <nano> hello? what should I do ?
[03:53] <nano> that's not for beginners
[03:54] <nano> why fedora fires in graphical screen without problem, but kubuntu livecd doesn't
[03:59] <nano> byebye kubuntu
[04:44] <oslo> nano> have u md5sum your iso before burning it ??
[04:44] <oslo> *do u have
[04:45] <oslo> [16:00]  <-- nano a quitt ce serveur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)"). oups
[04:46] <Lathiat> a    fwepoijfwoiejf
[04:46] <oslo> i don't manager to use properly xvidcap i think ---> http://dl-3.free.fr/52616e646f6d49561714192fc5d9fd51beb3a32aab4916a4f7ca740de73aab9c/25.mpeg
[04:47] <Lathiat> nevermind that ;)
[06:21] <nixternal> ryanakca: you still having issue with that qt4 build?
[06:39] <crimsun_> how was the #u-c bugsquashing?
[06:45] <ryanakca> nixternal: yeah
[06:45] <nixternal> crimsun_: actually not to shabby considering there were only a few of us...it gave the new guys on the team a chance to learn the bug triaging scene a little bit
[06:45] <ryanakca> [12:09]  <ryanakca> how do I fix this pbuilder + cdbs + qmake-qt4 error? http://dpaste.com/3844/
[06:45] <nixternal> ryanakca: i noticed the qmake needs to be ran with the -project or -makefile option...does that mean anything?
[06:46] <ryanakca> [12:11]  <ryanakca> I can pastebin the rules file and qmake-qt4.mk
[06:46] <ryanakca> probably... it's just passing the option to it
[06:46] <ryanakca> (how to pass it that is)
[06:47] <nixternal> i know that when i create a Qt4 project right, i run 'qmake-qt4 -project' in the directory, to create the .pro file, and then run the makefile way to get the .cpp and to get the Makefile
[06:47] <ryanakca> nixternal: http://dpaste.com/3860/
[06:48] <ryanakca> yeah
[06:48] <ryanakca> nixternal: sorry, bbl, lunch
[06:48] <nixternal> no problem
[07:17] <ryanakca> nixternal: back
[07:17] <ryanakca> any ideas?
[09:05] <manchicken> I need something to hack.
[09:05] <manchicken> Damnit.
[09:05] <manchicken> Gimme a fix!
[09:06] <manchicken> Anything else need changing in kde-systemsettings?
[09:06] <manchicken> Or anything else need hacking/
[09:07] <mhb> manchicken: fix adept :o)
[09:07] <manchicken> What needs fixing?
[09:07] <mhb> manchicken: adept loads locales badly, for instance
[09:07] <mhb> manchicken: I mean translations
[09:08] <mhb> manchicken: bug 47181
[09:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47181 in ept "broken localisation support" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47181
[09:09] <mhb> manchicken: or you can fix a ton more bugs listed on the bugs.kde.org page
[09:09] <manchicken> I've never done locale stuff... so I can try.
[09:09] <manchicken> Is there a lot of development being done on that right now?
[09:09] <mhb> manchicken: if "close to zero" is a lot then yes :o)
[09:10] <manchicken> heh
[09:10] <manchicken> I can use something to hack.
[09:21] <manchicken> How is it that I've never heard of launchpad before/
[09:33] <fdoving> it's not open source, nor free software.
[09:33] <fdoving> that's probably why.
[09:33] <fdoving> anyway.. tv. bbl.
[09:36] <mhb> fdoving: heh :o) google's neither
[09:40] <kdefreak> mhb: you good at packaging?
[09:41] <mhb> kdefreak: me? not at all
[09:42] <kdefreak> hm... drats
[09:42] <mhb> kdefreak: I know the basics, but I leave packaging to others
[09:42] <ryanakca> ah, kk
[09:57] <danimo> imbrandon: ping?
[10:29] <mhb> seele: ping
[10:41] <seele> mhb: pong
[10:41] <seele> i havnt had a chance to work on wireframes yet today, that is next on my list
[10:41] <mhb> seele: so you're not ready yet?
[10:41] <seele> nope, sorry
[10:42] <mhb> seele: how much time do you need?
[10:42] <seele> depends on how late you stay up tonight, but we can plan for tomorrow night? (afternoon for me)
[10:45] <mhb> seele: I can stay away for the next two hours (more if we start withing the next 2 hours)
[10:45] <mhb> seele: awake :o)
[10:46] <mhb> seele: but if you want to do this tomorrow, it's okay with me
[10:48] <seele> tomorrow is probably better :)
[10:49] <mhb> seele: okay then
[10:59] <Lure> seele: you wanted tabs in system settings? http://www.notsosoft.net/snapshots/snapshot3.png
[10:59] <Lure> seele: done my manchicken
[11:00] <seele> Lure: thats much better than the buttons. i still worry if tabs are the right affordance, but it is good for now
[11:00] <seele> thanks!
[11:01] <Lure> seele: thanks goes to manchicken who did it
[11:02] <seele> thankyou manchicken then :)
[11:36] <manchicken> np ^_^
[11:36] <manchicken> It was nice.
[11:36] <manchicken> I need to find something else that sounds good for hacking now.
[11:46] <mhb> manchicken: adept's too hard for ya? :o)
[11:46] <manchicken> not sure what to fix specifically.
[11:47] <manchicken> I'm not multi-lingual, and I've never done internationalization before.
[11:48] <manchicken> The bugs posted for kde-systemsettings actually seem more about the modules themselve.
[11:48] <mhb> manchicken: http://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?product=adept
[12:09] <manchicken> Maybe I'll see if I can make adept lock packages on versions.
[12:10] <Jucato> manchicken: you're working on Adept now, too? yay! :)
[12:12] <manchicken> I'm a hacker with too much free time and too little attention span.  Working on a distro is going to work out quite nicely.
[12:13] <Jucato> hehe :)