[12:23] <mdke> I've uploaded an ubuntu-docs deb with the new topic based documents to http://doc.ubuntu.com/~matt/ Feedback/contributions would be great. Obviously the order doesn't work in yelp yet.
[12:27] <nixternal> wow, you are workin' hardcore
[12:28] <nixternal> thanks for sending out the email about fixing the breakage if it occurs. I didn't think about others that might have the same issues as well
[12:28] <mdke> :)
[12:28] <nixternal> i have pretty much all of the kubuntu docs merged over as well
[12:29] <nixternal> i am going to work some more on it tonight, but fist, dinner calls!
[12:29] <nixternal> goto bed mdke and thanks for getting the TBH rolling along!
[12:29] <nixternal> oh wait, saturday night, nevermind, stay up and party the night away
[12:31] <mdke> :)
[12:54] <Admiral_Chicago> what does this page need for cleanup https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[12:55] <LaserJock> perhaps there is a mess of vmware pages
[12:55] <LaserJock> *perhaps because
[12:55] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm looking at it, seems like it a bit more information really
[12:55] <Admiral_Chicago> i think it was one of the pages that was autotagged with cleanup
[12:56] <LaserJock> I just don't know what I'm doing wrong, it's so annoying
[12:56] <LaserJock> I wonder if I should try the .rpm
[12:56] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo dpkg-reconfigure vmware ?
[12:56] <LaserJock> well, I'm doing the server right now
[12:56] <LaserJock> for the player it fails
[12:57] <LaserJock> I want vmware-server if I can
[12:57] <Admiral_Chicago> fails how/
[12:57] <LaserJock> if vmware-player would work I'd be willing to go with thtat
[12:57] <LaserJock> the postinst dies
[12:58] <Admiral_Chicago> ah, what kind of system?
[12:58] <LaserJock> Edgy
[12:58] <Admiral_Chicago> it worked on a buddy's 64 bit edgy system
[12:58] <Admiral_Chicago> it it works on 4 bit it *should* work on any system
[01:00] <LaserJock> yeah, well it *should* work
[01:00] <LaserJock> I just seem blessed with bad luck sometimes with this stuff
[01:00] <LaserJock> I never could get FreeNX to work either
[01:02] <Admiral_Chicago> some things refuse to work for me too
[01:02] <LaserJock> ok, I'll uninstall the server (hopefully) and try the player again
[01:02] <Admiral_Chicago> do an aptitude purge
[01:02] <Admiral_Chicago> that might help
[01:04] <LaserJock> well, the server isn't install via .deb
[01:04] <Admiral_Chicago> ah okay
[01:08] <LaserJock> ok
[01:08] <LaserJock> it fails when it's trying to set up networking
[01:09] <LaserJock> now I can't get rid of it
[01:09] <LaserJock> awesome
[01:10] <Admiral_Chicago> damn
[01:10] <Admiral_Chicago> you're having all kinds of issues
[01:11] <Admiral_Chicago> well good luck. i'm going to study until we do the LoCo starts bug work
[01:11] <LaserJock> ok, well vmware player started up
[01:12] <Admiral_Chicago> good
[01:14] <LaserJock> I wanted to get the server to make virtual machines
[01:14] <LaserJock> but this'll do I think for now
[01:14] <nixternal> LaserJock: vmware server runs like a champ, what issues are you having?
[01:15] <LaserJock> nixternal: can't get it to start up
[01:15] <nixternal> vmware server isn't in the repos, so purgng won't do anything
[01:15] <nixternal> it is installed already?
[01:15] <LaserJock> yeah, I installed it
[01:15] <nixternal> has it run before?
[01:15] <LaserJock> then ran vmware and it tells me it isn't configured right
[01:15] <LaserJock> never tried it before
[01:16] <LaserJock> so I reconfigured it like 3-4 times
[01:16] <LaserJock> and I never saw it error
[01:16] <nixternal> are you running vmware from the command line?
[01:16] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:16] <LaserJock> well, I tried it from the menu first
[01:16] <LaserJock> but it didn't do anything
[01:16] <LaserJock> so I used CLI
[01:16] <LaserJock> and get the message to configure it again
[01:16] <nixternal> did you try to reconfigure it?
[01:17] <nixternal> sudo wmware-config.pl
[01:17] <LaserJock> yeah, like 3-4 times
[01:18] <nixternal> hmm..i have never had an issue after installing it
[01:18] <nixternal> i had an issue not long ago where i did something to a directory that killed it
[01:18] <LaserJock> yeah, well I'm just special it seems
[01:18] <nixternal> hehe
[01:18] <nixternal> i could have told you that :0
[01:18] <nixternal> ;)
[01:18] <LaserJock> well, the thing is it doesn't give me any errors
[01:18] <LaserJock> the config runs fine
[01:19] <nixternal> that is odd
[01:19] <LaserJock> I'll see if the player works ok
[01:19] <LaserJock> I'm sort of wondering if networking will work
[01:20] <nixternal> i have never used the player, only workstation and server
[01:20] <LaserJock> the init script gives a couple "failed" lines
[01:20] <LaserJock> hmm, although I just reran it and it worked ok
[01:21] <LaserJock> if I had any decent amount of space I'd just repartition this drive and do normal installs
[01:23] <nixternal> heh, that is why i use vmware..i have a 60gb hard drive, and i just do a bunch of 4gb vmware-server installs
[01:24] <LaserJock> I've only got about 8GB left
[01:25] <nixternal> thats more than enough
[01:25] <nixternal> ;p
[01:35] <LaserJock> nixternal: is it really easy to create new .vmx files with vmware-server?
[01:36] <nixternal> ya, you just create space, boot from the cdrom, install and it creates the vmx for you
[01:42] <TLE> Hey guys. I've got a few questions. 1. Does this channel and the mailing-list deal both with the page in help.ubunt.com and wiki.ubuntu.com?
[01:43] <LaserJock> yep, basically
[01:43] <TLE> 2. Discussion about the contents of a page, is that done in the mailing list or in the discussion page pertaining to the relevant page ?
[01:43] <LaserJock> depends
[01:44] <LaserJock> if it has a discussion page you could use that
[01:44] <LaserJock> but you are also welcome to discuss it here or on the list
[01:44] <TLE> ok thanks
[01:56] <LaserJock> nixternal: have you ever used wireless with vmware-player?
[01:56] <nixternal> i have never used vmware player
[01:57] <nixternal> do you watch "small people, big world"
[01:59] <LaserJock> nope
[01:59] <nixternal> i love this show
[01:59] <LaserJock> ah, I think vmware-player dies because it's trying to use my ethernet connection
[02:00] <LaserJock> but I'm using wireless
[02:00] <nixternal> can't you tell it to use wireless?
[02:04] <LaserJock> I don't know, trying to find out
[02:05] <LaserJock> vmware server gave me the option ... but it won't run so that's kinda pointless
[02:22] <mpt> Anyone here still running Dapper?
[02:22] <mpt> If so, please test bug 47596 :-)
[02:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47596 in gnome-panel ""Ubuntu Book Excerpt" doesn't show book excerpt (shows "Welcome to Ubuntu" instead)" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47596
[02:22] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm pretty sure that's not the case for most people
[09:57] <mdke> morning
[10:01] <Burgundavia> morning mdke
[10:03] <mdke> Burgundavia: are you still using the quicktour translations, or can we close that down?
[10:05] <Burgundavia> nuke it
[10:05] <Burgundavia> quicktour has been dead two releases now
[10:05] <mdke> ah, we should definitely nuke it then - translators are still going
[03:38] <mdke> hi there linuxphotogeek
[03:38] <mdke> nice job on closing your first bug!
[03:39] <linuxphotogeek> Yahoo!
[03:39] <linuxphotogeek> It worked.
[03:39] <linuxphotogeek> I got the new .deb installed and am reviewing
[03:40] <mdke> awesome
[03:41] <linuxphotogeek> I tried Jeff's 'yelptest' script and it didn't work -- I haven't yet had time to dive into it.
[03:41] <mdke> it's ok, you can simply type "yelp address/of/document.xml" to open a document in yelp
[03:42] <mdke> I'm not sure whether jeff's script actually saves any time
[03:42] <linuxphotogeek> good point.
[03:42] <mdke> well, it saves some time, but you can live without it :)
[03:43] <linuxphotogeek> Is my understand that the trend of the documentation it to make it more like a FAQ?
[03:44] <linuxphotogeek> Each short question with a little doc tip.
[03:44] <mdke> if that is your understanding, that's not right, no
[03:45] <linuxphotogeek> Maybe on question but maybe granular topic.
[03:45] <mdke> we're just trying to structure the material better, so people can navigate more easily; and along with that try to ensure each page addresses a specific topic
[03:45] <mdke> so if you plug "mp3" into the search, in theory you should get a page which tells you what you want to know
[03:46] <mdke> we're a fair distance away :)
[03:46] <linuxphotogeek> I see in the help there is a topic like What is a package manager?
[03:46] <linuxphotogeek> When I plug mp3 into search it works
[03:47] <mdke> yeah, I picked an easy one :)
[03:52] <mdke> if you find a search term that doesn't work and should, please file a bug - that is very much a high priority task for us to fix this release
[03:53] <mdke> mpt: do you know, it might be useful if you could write up a short guide about the best way to plant search terms in documents
[03:53] <mdke> mpt: would that be possible?
[04:02] <linuxphotogeek> Jeff's 'yelptest' script does help some as yelp requires the full path to the .xml and Jeff's little script now that I mod
[04:02] <mdke> yep
[04:03] <linuxphotogeek> 'ed it a little just requires the first part of the xml file name.
[04:04] <linuxphotogeek> The full path presents an opportunity for some tipping practise. Boy do I need that.
[04:05] <mdke> :)
[04:05] <linuxphotogeek> With Jeff's little script I just enter yelptest office and it expands to 'yelp /home/will/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu/C/office/office.xml'
[04:06] <mdke> nice to have you aboard anyhow
[05:28] <kalon33> hello all !
[05:28] <mdke> hi kalon33
[05:28] <kalon33> hi matthew !
[09:44] <nixternal> mdke: in reference to topic based help, does it make sense to seperate "Music and Video (Multimedia)" from "Graphics and Pictures (Photo Editing)"?
[09:45] <mdke> nixternal: no
[09:45] <nixternal> keep it all together then?
[09:46] <mdke> nixternal: well, I don't have strong feelings about it, but to save space on the number of topics mpt suggested we merge them
[09:46] <nixternal> oh ok
[09:46] <nixternal> understandable there
[09:47] <mdke> what do you think?
[09:47] <nixternal> i was thinking of seperating them according to the new layout we are going to do with Kubuntu Help
[09:47] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/stuff/doc/ktbh
[09:47] <nixternal> reference ^^
[09:48] <mdke> right, but what's the reasoning?
[09:48] <nixternal> in that i have multimedia which covers audio/video and I have graphics which covers the inkscape, gimp, krita, gwenview and what not
[09:48] <nixternal> actually, there is no reasoning, because i can still do it even if they were all in one directory or in one huge file
[09:49] <mdke> well, I see the attraction of avoiding having *too* many topics, so I was happy to follow mpt's suggestion
[09:50] <nixternal> well, I think the topics I have in that proposed page is pretty much enough to cover all of the basics
[09:50] <zorglu_> what about going to a page with all the topic on the whole screen (ala wikipedia portal) and thus remove the issue of space (due to the fact this is a menu on the left) ?
[09:51] <nixternal> well, that menu on the left is pretty much all of the topics
[09:52] <zorglu_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Free_software <- example of portal
[09:52] <zorglu_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux <- same thing but uglier
[09:53] <nixternal> thats actually not a bad idea
[09:53] <zorglu_> nixternal: ok it was just suggestion out of the blue to fix the space issue
[09:53] <nixternal> man...this is going to be a lot of work no matter how we go about it
[09:54] <jmantha> the free software portal looks pretty nice
[09:54] <nixternal> have we figured out how we are going to be doing the page structure? are we going to be following the same way we have always done it, or are we changing a little bit?
[09:54] <Gwaihir> nixternal: I was looking at your "start page" here http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/stuff/doc/ktbh/
[09:55] <Gwaihir> is ti going to be used even for Ubuntu?
[09:55] <nixternal> ya, i know it breaks konqueror :)
[09:55] <nixternal> Kubuntu only
[09:55] <Gwaihir> ok.. thanks!
[09:55] <nixternal> unless they wanted to use it, but I don't know how that would work for yelp..that would be a massive xslt for someone to hack together
[09:56] <Gwaihir> yes... it would be
[10:03] <jmantha> nixternal: that's looking rather good
[10:03] <nixternal> what is that?
[10:16] <mdke> Gwaihir: we're looking to do something quite similar
[10:17] <Gwaihir> mdke: looks great...
[10:18] <Gwaihir> the only problem i see... is about the different links
[10:18] <Gwaihir> to community stuff
[10:18] <Gwaihir> (at least for the italian communiyt)
[10:19] <mdke> well, that may not be final, don't forget nixternal's thing is just a draft
[10:20] <mdke> in fact the support links have their own topic, so probably that area won't be necessary
[10:21] <Gwaihir> oh I see... nice draft, indeed
[10:32] <mpt> mdke, yes, I could do that
[10:32] <mdke> mpt: that would be really good
[10:32] <mpt> though I don't know it myself, I can find out :-)
[10:33] <mdke> ah, I thought you were involved in that code
[10:33] <mpt> no
[10:33] <mpt> (Do I look like a programmer?!?:-P)
[10:34] <mdke> mpt: well, yeah.
[10:35] <mpt> I are just an intahrackshin designah
[10:51] <Gwaihir> bye all! ;)