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tonyyarussofailed01:02
poningruwe have a jenda01:03
elkbuntuok, now we need a christina01:03
jendado we have an ajenda, though? :)01:03
poningrurofl01:03
poningruwait is christina coming?01:03
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poningruwe're talking about armstrong right?01:04
elkbuntuyes01:04
somerville32What is her nick?01:04
elkbuntutrying to remember01:04
BurgundaviaCJA01:04
elkbuntuaha, that01:04
Burgundaviano jono either01:04
poningruindeed01:04
elkbuntushe's online01:04
somerville32!seen jono01:05
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tonyyarussono ubotu01:05
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elkbuntu:)01:05
somerville32:)01:05
Burgundaviawelcome CJA01:05
tonyyarusso ubotu> I last saw jono (n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono) 1d 5h 5m 4s ago, quiting: "Ex-Chat"01:05
CJAHi All01:05
CJAI don't think Jono is joining us01:06
elkbuntui dont think jono's attending01:06
jendaHello CJA01:06
BurgundaviaCJA is the important one, not jono, at least for this purpose01:06
Burgundaviashall we start?01:06
CJAYep.01:06
elkbuntuyes01:06
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Burgundaviaexcellent, welcome to the first marketing team meeting in a long time01:06
CJAI can only stay for 30 minutes ... I've ducked out of my friends b'day party!01:06
jenda:)01:06
jendauh oh, let's be quick, then.01:06
Burgundaviawe will start by introducing ourselves, and then CJA can say her piece01:06
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CJAGood to speak to you all. And thanks for inviting me! :O)01:07
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CJAOK.01:07
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Burgundaviabeuno: mind introducing yourself?01:08
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jendathat was a little monotone ;)01:08
beunoI'm a bit new, I'm trying to help out Dan with the webpage01:08
tonyyarussoSo, what's our agenda?  Things required CJA first I imagine, which are?01:08
Burgundaviapretty much01:09
elkbuntuyep01:09
jenda"and then CJA can say her piece"01:09
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BurgundaviaCJA: you want to introduce who you are, what you do for canonical and how we can help you?01:09
CJAOK01:09
CJAI'm the marketing and communications manager @ canonical01:09
CJAI have 12 years marketing/pr and communications experience01:09
poningrusweet01:09
CJAall in telecoms/IT companies01:10
CJAmy job is to help develop the Canonical/Ubuntu brands01:10
CJAto help the canonical employees and the community01:10
CJAwith messaging, guidance on campaigns01:10
CJAadvice on talking to journalists01:10
CJAmake sure we are all promoting the project and company correctly01:11
CJAI'm working closely with Jono to see how we can better align Canonical with you, the community01:11
CJAafter all, as I said in my email, we all have the same goal01:11
CJAand that is world domination :O)01:11
somerville32:D01:11
jendaah, neat ;)01:12
jendaWe are the marketing team...01:12
jendawe share the common goal ;)01:12
CJAso i'm not here to police what you do, or stop you doing things. I'm here to help and advise you.01:12
tonyyarussoWhat about the how can we help you part?  Or are you pretty much waiting on jono?01:12
BurgundaviaCJA: want to lay out some of the specific projects Canonical working on right now?01:12
CJAok first question .... i'm working with Jono, Melissa and Corey to see how we can better align activities and see how you can help me as much as me helping you01:13
CJAreally i'll probably call on you guys to drain your knowledge of Linux01:13
poningruhehe01:13
CJAand how we can get a really strong message out there for Ubuntu01:13
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CJAyou guys talk to the people using it and are closer to them than i will ever be ... so your my eyes and ears so to speak01:14
CJA:O)01:14
poningruCJA: quick question did you get my email?01:14
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CJAErm .... don't know ... regarding?01:14
CJAAh, yes I think I did01:14
CJAAnd projects Im working on for Canonical......01:15
poningrudo we have an agenda to which I can add something?01:15
CJAI'm currently working on developing some messaging for Canonical, who the company is, how we fit with the community, support services etc... for us as a company to use in all our comms01:15
elkbuntuponingru, at this point, PM Burgundavia01:16
CJAI'm looking at refreshing both the canonical.com and ubuntu.com websites01:16
jendaponingru: you can bring up any topic as long as we are awake, I think.01:16
CJAreally tightening up the content01:16
CJAand getting them looking a lot sharper and cleaner in design01:16
beunoCJA, with the focus on canonical rather then on Ubuntu?01:16
Burgundaviathe ubuntu.com refresh is at the point of deciding which CMS to use, fyi01:17
CJAfor messaging? Yes. On the Ubuntu side I'm really just tidying up what is there01:17
CJAYou've all done a great job of messaging it so far01:17
CJA;O)01:17
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somerville32CJA: What about the sister projects?01:17
somerville32ie. Xubuntu, Kubuntu, and Edubuntu01:18
beunothe ppl at bazaar que really use the help...01:18
Burgundaviasomerville32: those are currently more autonomous01:18
CJAerm... i'm helping Melissa to get some things in place for a linux event in Jan, working with jono for community attendance at Socal in LA01:18
CJAWe currently run an adwords campaign for Bazaar01:18
CJAwe're seeing some really good results from it01:19
CJAI'm just working through the stats at the mo and am happy to share them01:19
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CJAobviously if there are things we can do to help we will. speak to Jono and myself about the things you need01:19
BurgundaviaCJA: there are a number of people int he community with a good deal of experience with cms'. Shall bring in a few more onto the ubuntu.com refresh?'01:19
CJABurgundavia: We originally had 5 CMS selected which went down to 4 after discussing with Elmo on the security side01:20
beunoCJA, I meant in cleaning up the content of their website01:20
poningruooh I would love to help with plone if they are at all looking into that01:20
somerville32I have a lot of experience with Drupal01:20
CJAWe had to drop a couple last week too so are down to Drupal and Joomla01:20
poningruah ok01:21
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CJABut yes I'm happy if you think someone else should be involved for them to help01:21
Burgundaviaok, we can talk about it as a team after you have to run01:21
Burgundaviaponingru: you wanted to talk quickly about press releases?01:21
CJAjust bear in mind we need to keep the group fairly small so it doesn't turn in to a mammoth task :O)01:21
Burgundaviaabsolutely01:21
poningruyes01:21
poningruhold on let me grab the spec link from lp01:22
CJAand so you know .. we aim to have the refreshed sites live around mid Feb 200701:22
Burgundaviaponingru: can you give us a two line intro as well?01:22
poningruk01:22
poningruCJA: another question are you working with newz2000 wrt search.ubuntu.com01:22
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poningruI helped a bit with that but he disapeared on me01:22
CJAno not yet. but yes would love to talk to you about it.01:23
Burgundaviaponingru: newz2000 is leading the website refresh01:23
CJAcatch me online next week to discuss01:23
CJANewz2000 and I are leading the refresh ...so that will be part of it01:23
CJAso press releases ....01:23
poningruright still trying to find the link :(01:23
CJAwas that the email about them being overly technical?01:24
poningruno01:24
poningruok basically what I am trying to do is have press release be localized by each loco team and spread it within their community/media01:24
CJAOK.01:25
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Burgundaviahttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/loco-press-releases01:25
poningruooh thanks :)01:25
poningruI talked to jono about it he gave the thumbs up01:25
CJAsounds like a great idea01:26
CJAi've put in place a timeline for the next release01:26
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CJAThe Feisty release will be finalised on 12th April01:27
poningrualso: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/PressTeam/EPK01:27
CJAwe can get to you then for translation01:27
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CJAthat's one week before release01:27
Burgundaviawe can probably use rosetta for this01:27
poningruright01:27
Burgundaviaponingru: can you research and the specifics of doing this up on that spec?01:27
CJAobviously we need to be careful that it isn't leaked though01:27
poningrusure01:27
CJAwe will be doing embargoed calls with journalists01:28
poningruCJA: cant we just put a 'not to be released till: ' quote on it?01:28
elkbuntuthat doesnt stop gossip01:28
CJAYes - we put 'embargoed until 19 April' on it01:28
poningruright01:28
Burgundaviagiven CJA time is running down, shall we talk about case studies quickly?01:28
CJAhowever that won't stop people sending it to other people and talking01:28
CJAso we need to be careful01:28
Burgundaviawon't stop it ending up on digg01:29
poningrutrue01:29
CJAYep. I'll stay for another 15...01:29
Burgundaviawant to quickly layout canonical's needs and vision?01:29
somerville32Is this going to be the most publicized release yet?01:29
Burgundaviasomerville32: every release is bigger than the last01:30
CJAWe will try to get as much 'noise' around it as we can01:30
CJAi'd like to try to do some launch parties01:30
CJAis something i talked to jono about01:30
poningruooh awesome01:30
poningruI am pretty sure I can get the firefox launch party app01:31
CJAexcellent!01:31
CJASo regarding Canonical ... our vision/commitment  is still the same ... to drive/support /promote open source software and the community01:32
CJABut obviously we need to make our money from selling the support services of the global support team01:32
beunoCjA, digg and slashdot are good places to make a lot of noise with very little, maybe someone can target those sites specifically.  (articles, scoops, etc)01:32
CJAto enterprises that need help/advice on large deployments01:32
CJAOK. noted.01:33
CJAmy aim is to position us as the specialists of the open source world01:33
CJAand that includes you guys01:33
CJAthere's a whole load of brain power amongst us01:33
CJAand we should be proud of it!01:33
elkbuntu:)01:34
jenda01:34
CJAso next year we'll be getting more key notes at events01:34
CJAJono already has a few lined up01:34
poningruawesome01:34
CJAWe are at 5 events in the first three months of next year01:34
elkbuntuis that including LCA?01:34
CJAOpen source meets business in Nuremberg in Jan01:35
CJAThe Linux conf in Aus in Jan01:35
elkbuntu:)01:35
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CJASocal in LA in Feb01:35
CJAOpen Solutions summit in NY01:35
CJAtargeted at Fortune 500 companies01:35
elkbunturock!01:35
CJAand CeBit in Hanover in March01:35
CJAPlus .... Free Software World in Spain in March01:35
CJAsorry Feb01:36
jendaWhen will the UTS be, BTW?01:36
elkbuntui'd guess May01:36
CJASo there's a whole load of activities happening.01:36
CJAI think it's scheduled for April/May01:36
jendaI'd guess May as well...01:36
jendaah, that's even better :)01:36
CJASo someone asked about case studies earlier ...01:37
jendaI'll do my best to attend in Nuremberg and the UDS01:37
CJAI get all the 'my story' emails to my inbox01:37
CJAwe get an average of 5 - 15 a day01:37
CJAsome are just single users who think its great and wanna tell us01:37
CJAsome are really big news ... like all the developers @ Orange Search using Ubuntu01:38
elkbuntunice01:38
CJAA German Airline deploying it on 120 laptops for all their pilots01:38
poningruwoah01:38
jendawow01:38
CJAcambridge University debating society01:38
CJAtheir debate hall was too small so they set up a video link to a new room and use ubuntu01:39
CJAthere are lots of schools/Unis01:39
CJAI'm writing up the ones that will make big news and aim to have the first ones ready for use next week01:39
tonyyarussoWish I knew who they all were ;)01:39
CJAthese will be available for you to use01:39
jendagreat01:39
CJAI'm going to set up a page on the wiki so you can see them all01:39
poningruCJA: is there enough of them for you to use?01:40
CJAI'll also place the quotes from single users ... etc.. so you can see them all01:40
BurgundaviaCJA: a subpage of DIYMarketing would be smashing01:40
CJAWe'll have 4 next week01:40
poningruthere are lots of people here would love to send in something like this01:40
Burgundaviaand eventually jenda et al's new shiny DIY thingy01:40
sidWhat meeting is this?01:40
CJAOK. Noted.01:40
Burgundaviasid: -marketing01:40
CJAA big one I'm trying to get is Palmsource01:40
jendaBurgundavia: yes, that would be a very shiny addition.01:41
sidthanks Burgundavia01:41
CJAall their developers use Ubuntu01:41
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BurgundaviaCJA: how can the marketing team help the mystory stuff?01:41
poningruWOAH01:41
poningrupalmsource???01:41
poningruthats awesome01:41
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CJAany stories you hear of ... anything interesting ... something different01:41
CJAlet me know!01:41
CJAI can help you write it01:41
CJADid you see the news where Yahoo talked about using Ubuntu last week?01:42
CJAhttp://news.com.com/A+look+inside+Googles+open-source+kitchen+-+page+2/2008-7344_3-6143465-2.html?tag=st.num01:42
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sidIs that Ubuntu videos idea happening? Like the firefox videos?01:42
sidelkbuntu: Those polls ever go public?01:42
Burgundaviasid: possibly, stick around to chat about it01:42
CJAnot something i have heard of...01:42
elkbuntusid, im still working on them. it takes alot of time01:43
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beunoCJA, I'm recompiling the ones in Argentina, I'm following 2 or 3 specifically, one o them being a school to teach adults computers, but instead of windows, Linux01:43
CJAI'm hoping to do an 'Apple 1984' video for Ubuntu next year ... watch this space01:43
CJAOK great. Would be great to see them. I have a Q&A that I use if that helps you?01:43
CJAI can send it01:43
sidelkbuntu: Can't you just tar -c website/polls_directory|gzip -9 &> polls.tar.gz; then people can get them and GNU Plot the stats themselves.01:43
CJAthe great quote was:01:44
CJAYou use Ubuntu on the desktop, is there any reason for that?01:44
CJADiBona: Well, the founder went into space! We just really like it, we01:44
CJAthink it's really well-executed, and it's really user-friendly. It's01:44
CJAalso very well managed. It's a very up-to-date distribution. It's very01:44
CJAsecure. It's very well-written. They started with Debian, and they made01:44
beunoyes, that would help a lot01:44
CJAit really nice. I think they did a great job of it. Of course, we01:44
CJAmodified it so it runs on our network and provides the kinds of tools01:44
CJAthat our software developers use01:44
tonyyarussosid: (Maybe ask in the normal #ubuntu-marketing so as not to disrupt the meeting)01:44
beunoargentina@gmail.com01:44
CJAonce i set up the page for case studies .. i'll place the Q&A and template there too with some good / bad examples to help you guys produce them01:45
BurgundaviaCJA: we chatted about getting some of the raw data out to the community, along with some case study templates01:45
beunogreat01:45
CJAYep. Templates and case studies you'll have next week01:46
Burgundaviaexcellent01:46
CJARaw data I'm still looking in to .... can we have a separate conversation about what exactly you need01:46
Burgundaviaabsolute01:47
Burgundavia-ly01:47
CJAOK. I need to head off pretty soon .... anything else you want to ask me01:47
CJAlet me know before I go get drunk ;O)01:47
Burgundaviaanything else? shall we let the lovely lady head out?01:47
somerville32:] 01:48
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Burgundaviajenda: oh, I will find a volunteer] 01:48
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CJAlol.great!01:48
CJABeen great speaking to you guys.01:48
jendaBurgundavia: sorry, not today ;)01:49
BurgundaviaCJA: thanks for coming!01:49
somerville32Thanks!01:49
CJAFeel free to call/email me with questions or if you need any advice01:49
elkbuntuthanks CJA :)01:49
CJAHave a fab weekend!01:49
somerville32Totally!01:49
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Burgundaviaexcellent. Next topic01:49
somerville32Food.01:49
poningru_bye cja01:49
poningru_rofl01:49
poningru_beer01:49
Burgundaviagiven it already late in morning for jenda, lets move to his projects01:49
jendauh oh01:50
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Burgundaviawant to give us a brief summary of what you are doing, have done and will be working on?01:50
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jendaok01:51
jendasure01:51
jendaSo - I picked up an old idea from the extinct Marketing Team: SpreadUbuntu01:51
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jendaand wanted to bring it to life, tried constructing a concept for it, and a purpose, too ;)01:52
jendait was quite a struggle, and was largely unsuccessful :)01:52
jendarecently, however, I decided to take a different approach, and that was to cut it up into tiny pieces01:52
jendaAnd leave most of them out altogether :)01:53
jendaAnyway, what we end up with, is starting out with a DIY project, with 4 basic goals:01:53
Burgundaviaheh01:53
jendaBurgundavia?01:53
Burgundaviajust thinking off all the discussions I have had about spreadubuntu01:54
jendaI see.01:54
Burgundaviabut continue01:55
jendaWell, let me just sum up what the current work is.01:55
jendaThe DIY project (personified by a website, currently under Dan's heavy construction) should:01:55
jenda1) Collect DIY marketing material from the community - there is so much of it (good) in so many places (bad).01:56
jendaI currently imagine it would all be hosted on teh doc team's server in the form of an ftp syncing with a bzr branch - which the entire MT has access to.01:57
poningru_uh... we do?01:57
jendaThe DIY site would offer links to the files in categories, with thumbnails.01:57
jendaponingru_: yes ;)01:57
jendasecurity through obscurity ;)01:57
jenda(now gone)01:57
poningru_rofl01:57
Burgundaviabasically, this would be our single place to point people at when they ask "Where can I find some stuff to spread Ubuntu"01:58
jendayes01:58
Burgundaviayes?01:58
jendaand expanding that thought a tiny bit further...01:58
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poningru_would they be able to add stuff?01:58
jenda2) List people who are offering ready made material for 'sale', or for free, or for trade... etc.01:58
jendaponingru_: yes01:59
Burgundaviaa "marketplace" of sorts01:59
jendaponingru_: I'd imagine adding to a wiki-style queue, and we would screen it for branding, trademarks and subjective opinions/democracy in some later to be specified process.01:59
jendaBurgundavia: a little bit.02:00
poningru_ooh awesome02:00
jendaThere are many people doing that now.02:00
jendaI didn't really know before :)02:00
jendaSo I decided to try it out.02:00
Burgundaviahaving a central place is good, because we can vet the people selling stuff, imho02:00
jendaMost of you probably know that I made and sold stickers and posters...02:00
jendabut why didn't I know that other people were offering?02:00
poningru_are we sure we wanna do the swag thing? I really have no objections to it, just that maybe we should run this by canonical first?02:01
jendaBecause there was no place for them to do so.02:01
jendaponingru_: I did.02:01
poningru_or have you...02:01
poningru_cool02:01
jendaa few times ;)02:01
jendaJane and Jono.02:01
Burgundaviapeople making money of Ubuntu has always been part of the plan02:01
jenda<spam>For example, juliux is selling some absolutely perfect shirts, t and polo. I'm wearing one right now - they rock </spam>02:02
Burgundaviajenda: can you move a tiny bit quicker. We still have lots todo and little time02:02
jendaThe above is the reason I won't be making shirts myself ;)02:02
jendasure02:02
jendaOK, I believe this section is explained02:02
Burgundaviagiven we are already at 1hr and counting02:02
Burgundaviadoes this website involve a process for getting new stuff vetted?02:02
jendaIt should.02:03
Burgundaviasounds good02:03
jendaBut we haven't yet constructed it.02:03
Burgundaviaand how can the non-involved help you get this up and running faster?02:03
jendaSuggestions welcome, but not now ;)02:03
jendapreferably on teh ML02:03
Burgundaviaie; what do you need right now?02:03
jendaerr02:03
jendaMarketingTeam/DIYWebsite02:03
Burgundaviaone of the things I want out of this meeting is a list of things we can new people involved with02:03
jendaThere is a fairly detailed roadmap there.02:03
jendaI'm definitely appreciating workforce.02:04
jendaCurrently, danbuch929 has been of immensely great help, and beuno is helping out too.02:04
Burgundaviahmm, I don't see a "I want to help, what can I do" list02:04
elkbuntui tried, but ran out of time02:04
jendaBTW, the website has got a prototype and working copy at diy.devubuntu.com02:04
jendaelkbuntu: that's OK ;)02:04
jendaI know how that works :/02:05
jendaBurgundavia: you aren't looknig.02:05
jenda:)02:05
Burgundaviathe task list?02:05
jendaThere is a 'tasklist' which I intend to expand.02:05
Burgundaviaright02:05
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Burgundaviathat is what I thought, because I don't see "helping us construct a new material queue"02:05
jendahehe02:05
Burgundavia:)02:06
jendanoted02:06
jendaok, next section02:06
Burgundaviasorry if I am a task master, but that is my nature02:06
jendathat is appreciated.02:06
jenda3) A section that would encourage people to join the folks in #202:06
jendaWith details of some of the projects in #2, depending on what the author will be willing to offer.02:07
jendaSince I did my stuff for this section - this is where I'll be trying to convince people that they can actually make a profit, whilst helping the community.02:07
jendaAlthough we'll appreciate it more if the profits are donated or used beneficially someway :)02:08
jendaAnd to that I'll add as a note that I have about $148 left from the posters, and if anyone has a good way to use them, please let me know - chances are that I'll eventually think of something :)02:08
Burgundaviamaybe we should brainstorm a place for people to give their money to?02:09
Burgundaviasuch as a charity like TTC?02:09
jendacan't they donate to Ubuntu directly?02:09
jendadunno02:09
Burgundaviathe foundation doesn't exist02:09
Burgundaviaanyway, we can brainstorm post meeting02:09
jendaUbuntu isn't a foundation?02:09
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Burgundavianope02:09
jendaanyway.02:09
somerville32The Ubuntu Foundation doesn't actually exist?02:10
jendacan someone confirm this?02:10
Burgundavianothing more than a name and $10 million dollar cheque02:10
jendaI always believed it did.02:10
jendaok02:10
jendaWhere do donations go?02:10
jendado they hide under that cheque?02:10
Burgundaviait may now legally exist, but I have no idea02:10
jenda02:10
jendaOK, we'll check that later.02:10
elkbuntuhttp://www.ubuntu.com/donations02:10
jendathx02:10
elkbuntuBurgundavia, explain that page?02:11
jendaI'd now say #4, but I already said it in #1 ;)02:11
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: that makes no mention of the foundation02:11
jendaLet's research this later.02:11
elkbuntuok, right. im only half reading what's going on02:11
Burgundaviayep02:11
jendaI'm sure mako will know exactly how that works.02:11
Burgundaviajono will as well02:12
jendaAnyway02:12
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jendayes02:12
BurgundaviaI am not worried that the money is misused02:12
Burgundaviaone of the other pieces of SU was the actually spreading stuff02:12
jendaThe 3-4) steps I outlined are the basic ones I'd like to start with. danbuch929 and I have agreed on a deadline for 15th of January for them.02:12
Burgundaviahowever, I think, with the new website revamp and the forums, I think we can do within Ubuntu02:12
jendaThey concern actual marketing material - swag.02:13
jendaThe next step would concern what I clumsily call DIY Marketing Howtos02:13
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jendaI'd like a database of instructions/suggestions that would give people ideas on what they could do in their school, company, town, country... newspaper, area.02:14
poningrusorry my wifi is being weird02:14
danbuch929on a technical note, we're currently using Wordpress to implement this feature02:14
jendaSources: what people have actually done already... what people of other projects have done... what people would like to do, but can't for some reason.02:14
danbuch929it should be woven in within a week02:14
jendaah, good news ;)02:15
Burgundaviafor the "stories of spreading ubuntu">/02:15
Burgundavia?02:15
danbuch929Burgundavia: yes, and the Howto's02:15
Burgundaviaright02:15
Burgundaviacan we talk about that?02:15
jendaWell, to this I think we could link the stories once CJA makes them available to is.02:15
jendaus02:15
Burgundaviathere is a place for Howtos: the ubuntu wiki02:15
jendaI believe it'll stitch together quite nicely02:15
danbuch929Burgundavia: plus all the ones I see on the Forum :-P02:16
Burgundaviaright02:16
jendaBurgundavia: yes, but it doesn't work for them just as it doesn't for DIYMaterial.02:16
Burgundaviabut the wiki is a nice place, because it removes the hit by bus effect, plus means people don't have to get yet another account to edit them02:16
jendaYes02:16
jendatrue02:16
Burgundaviawe don't need more places for split resources02:17
jendaWe could just organise them on the site, but link to them on the wiki02:17
jendaagreed02:17
Burgundaviasomething you mentioned yourself02:17
danbuch929jenda, Burgundavia:  we mentioned having a wiki-like submission construct02:17
jendabut there are no resources of the type yet02:17
jendadanbuch929: if so, I'd prefer using the ubuntu wiki02:17
Burgundaviahowtos != actual material02:17
danbuch929we can use THE wiki for submission/discusion02:17
danbuch929yes02:17
Burgundaviahowtos are "do X, then Y"02:17
jendacontent control would be done through linking/not linking to.02:17
Burgundaviathe actual material needs to be on the diy site, just the howtos on the wiki02:17
jendaBurgundavia: yes...?02:17
jendaok02:18
danbuch929Burgundavia: I whole-heartedly agree02:18
BurgundaviaI love the current DIY site layout02:18
jendaThat I consider a technical detail.02:18
Burgundaviayes, but a big one02:18
jendaBurgundavia: thanks to MenZa, danbuch929 and beuno for that.02:18
jendaBurgundavia: yes, but one that we can solve at any time.02:18
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jendaI agree that the HOWTOs should be on the wiki.02:19
Burgundaviabetter to get it right first off02:19
danbuch929on another technical note, the DIY site style is not yet optimized for speed - images are still a bit bulky02:19
danbuch929...so please don't judge :-D02:19
jendaIn any case, I'd imagine each howto to tell the reader 1) what they need to do the plan (CDs, a booth, a school, etc) 2) how much time to prepare/perform/maintain 3) estimated budget02:20
Burgundaviaseems reasonable02:20
jendaall suggestions appreciated - preferably ML, as usual.02:20
danbuch929jenda: so might we provide a template for Howto submissions on the wiki?02:20
Burgundaviaso I see the following sections linking to the wiki: make, design and spread02:20
jendaWhile the DIY material part is all schemed and almost ready.02:20
elkbuntu+102:20
jendadanbuch929: +102:20
Burgundavianot directly, but linking to various wiki pages02:21
jenda(While the DIY material part is all schemed and almost ready...), the HOWTO section is still just an idea I'd like done.02:21
jendaBurgundavia: +102:21
Burgundaviasounds good02:21
Burgundaviathe work you guys have already done is amazing02:22
danbuch929Burgundavia: great to hear :-)02:22
BurgundaviaI have been wanted a web-based repo for content for a long while02:22
jendaAnd, as you suggested before, the case studies from mystory will make a great complement to this section.02:22
jenda(to the Howtos)02:22
jendaOr as a seperate section.02:22
Burgundaviasounds good02:23
jendaIn order to show what can be achieved, etc.02:23
Burgundaviashall we rap up and move on? anything more to discuss?02:23
jendaAnd in this manner, I'd like to create more and more sections that would help the average fan to get out there and... well... spread ubuntu ;)02:23
Burgundaviawrap up, rather02:23
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Burgundaviaheh02:23
jenda;)02:23
elkbuntui think wrapping up is good02:24
jendaAnyone have any questions? :)02:24
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somerville32Is Jenda still talking?02:24
somerville32haha ;] 02:24
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elkbuntulol02:24
jendasomerville32: just for you, I'll shut up.02:24
jenda02:24
Burgundaviaso lets get a todo list for finishing the website and going live02:24
jendaright02:24
Burgundaviajenda or danbuch929: mind doing that?02:24
Burgundaviathen we need a list of howtos to be written02:24
danbuch929jenda: shall we discuss and get this out by Monday?02:24
Burgundavialets start a mailing list discussion on that02:25
jendaone more thing - once the website is done, it'll probably be on diy.ubuntu.com02:25
jendaor similar.02:25
Burgundaviaabsolutely02:25
jendadanbuch929: yes02:25
jendaBurgundavia: atoponce has expressed interest in helping with that.02:25
Burgundaviajenda: with which?02:26
jendalist of howtos02:26
Burgundaviacool02:26
jendaI believe that will be a very enjoyable job for people with imagination.02:26
jenda02:26
Burgundaviacan I leave that in your hands?02:26
danbuch929real quick before we disband:02:26
jendaVery well suited for non-techies, too :)02:26
jendaBurgundavia: probably ;)02:26
Burgundaviaok02:26
danbuch929can I just erase almost everything on DIYMarketing?  :-D02:26
danbuch929the wiki page02:26
jendadanbuch929: erm... ;)02:27
danbuch929as it's all soooo up-to-date ;-)02:27
Burgundaviadanbuch929: only once the content is safely in a bzr repo02:27
jendadanbuch929: probably not a good idea till we have a replacement.02:27
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Burgundaviait is easier to update that than create new stuff02:27
jendaBTW, that's another easy job - diy hunting.02:27
jendajust collecting all the bits and pieces and bzr'ing them.02:28
jendaok02:28
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jendaI will have exams for pretty much the next two months, and although I'm a very lazy student, I'll do my best not to spend my time on IRC doing SU.02:29
Burgundaviaunderstandable02:29
jendaI'll still be around most of the time - just please excuse me if things take me a longer time, or if I try to throw them on someone else.02:29
jendaOn February 10, I'm going on a wild budget trip to India for three weeks.02:29
Burgundaviaall the more reason to get those todos done asap :)02:29
jendaAnd if that doesn't end my life at 20 (exactly ;)), I'll be back after that, ready to work again.02:30
Burgundaviashall we move on to the next project: the UWN?02:30
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jenda(or was it fingers)02:30
Burgundavia:)02:30
elkbuntug'nite jenda02:30
jendawhoa...02:31
jendayou ain't getting rid of me that easy!02:31
jenda:)02:31
elkbuntulol02:31
Burgundaviaok, the UWN02:31
danbuch929rofl02:31
elkbuntuyes Burgundavia ?02:31
BurgundaviaI assume everybody knows what it is, but here is a recap: The Ubuntu Weekly News (UWN) is a weekly snapshot all the happenings in the Ubuntu community and world.02:31
Burgundaviait is not really weekly, mostly due to my lack of time02:32
=== jenda notes it has had very good feedback recently ;)
Burgundaviayes, yes it has02:32
Burgundaviasomerville32 has recently joined and made a major impression02:32
elkbuntuand some bad feedback as well, i might add02:32
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: bad feedback?02:33
elkbuntuBurgundavia, lococontacts list02:33
jendaMay i jump in with a single line OT note, please?02:33
elkbuntutowsonu2003 or whatever editted the kurdish article without checking facts, we didnt notice, and it got sent out with bad information02:33
jendaThe ubuntu-marketing mailing list is getting a lot of spam lately, and it's just poningru and I who moderate it - any volunteers welcome, please email me.02:34
Burgundaviaah right02:34
somerville32I'll volunteer.02:34
elkbuntutowsonu2003 then editted the wiki page to change the story02:34
jendasomerville32: see the word _email_ :)02:34
Burgundaviawe should write something in 25 about that02:34
elkbuntuBurgundavia, most definately02:35
elkbuntuand talk to the culprit02:35
BurgundaviaI will talk with towsonu02:35
elkbuntuit was even after crimsun's edits, so after even our final checks02:35
somerville32If you didn't know, he is t u on ml02:35
somerville32elkbuntu: Really? Oh wow02:36
Burgundavialets chat about that specific issue post meeting02:36
BurgundaviaI wanted to get everybodies feedback on how the system as a whole is working02:36
poningruhmm02:37
somerville32We need to encourage people to submit stuff02:37
somerville32And we need to improve the way we process the changes in feisty02:37
elkbuntuno, content is not the issue02:38
BurgundaviaI would agree02:38
Burgundaviapeople is our issue02:38
Burgundaviaas content will follow people02:38
tonyyarussoUWN - wise?  Generally I think it's pretty good.  One suggestion I have is signing our sections in comments, so if say, someone looks at an article and has something to clarify about it, they know who to contact, even beyond the "beats" of the regulars giving a hint.02:38
poningruwait what exactly is the problem we are trying to solve?02:39
elkbuntuponingru, the tardiness of the editions02:39
poningruoh...02:39
Burgundaviatardiness of the issues mostly revolves around me being a roadblock currently02:39
poningruwell...02:39
Burgundaviawhich revolves around the fact that the Feisty changes section currently relies on me02:39
Burgundaviahere is a thought;02:40
Burgundavialets open a gmail account called "UWNqueue"02:40
Burgundaviasubscribe it to teh various mailing lists and then have the password known to a select few02:40
tonyyarussoInteresting idea02:40
somerville32Hmm...02:41
tonyyarussoBut how is it different from all of us being subscribed?02:41
somerville32and we could sort it using tags and stuff02:41
elkbuntui think that still involves too much noise02:41
Burgundaviathe primary thing that needs to be taken out of my hands is the sorting of the feisty-changes list02:41
poningruI like the email idea02:41
Burgundaviawe could use gmane for it?02:41
somerville32gmane?02:42
poningruits the email archive thing02:42
Burgundaviahttp://gmane.org/02:42
poningruits got a web front end02:42
Burgundaviabasically, I need to create a criteria list for how I select things that look interesting02:42
somerville32What about strong collaboration with Developers?02:42
somerville32*stronger02:43
poningruBurgundavia: right02:43
Burgundaviathe don't really have the time02:43
somerville32Alrighty02:43
Burgundavias/the/they/02:43
somerville32We could use some script magic to help get things moving02:43
jendaBurgundavia: one question just occured to me. Every week these weeks, there is a quiz in #ubuntu-trivia. Every quiz has a winner, and every winner gets a prize (so far, either a poster or an RMS book (Free as in Freedom, I think)). Do you think we could have a threeliner in the UWN which would say who gave/won/sponsored the quiz and inviting for the next?02:43
Burgundaviajenda: absolutely02:44
Burgundaviadump it on the uwn02:44
Burgundaviasomerville32: difficult todo, given it is very subjective02:44
Burgundaviathe criteria, that is02:44
somerville32It could help sort and prioritize02:45
Burgundaviait could02:45
Burgundaviabasically it could do the inital sort, because I only look at new upstream versions02:45
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Burgundaviabasically it would need to parse all the emails from feisty-changes and then pull out anything with a -1 in it02:45
Burgundaviaafter that, it becomes very subjective02:46
somerville32There are some rules that I can think of though - such as grouping gnome packages02:46
Burgundaviayep02:46
Burgundaviasomerville32: you think you can do that?02:46
somerville32Yup.02:46
Burgundaviashall we chat after about a set of rules?02:46
Burgundaviasounds good02:46
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poningruok so another thing re: UWN02:46
poningrucouple of things I think we can do: we seem to be working well while in a group, so lets have work sessions like twice a week once in the middle and once when we are going to release02:46
Burgundaviafixed work sessions? I like the idea02:47
poningruright02:47
elkbuntueasier to work around, yeah02:47
Burgundaviacurrently they are mostly in the NA evening, due to my schedule02:47
somerville32How about Wednesday and Saturday?02:47
Burgundaviathat works02:47
poningruright02:47
poningruthats what I was thinking02:48
somerville32:D02:48
Burgundaviasaturday could be NA evening and wednesday should be Europe evening02:48
poningruooh good thinking02:48
Burgundaviathat would make wednesday UTC 19 or 20 and saturday UTC 04 or 0502:49
Burgundaviado we have somebody who can lead the wednesday sessions?02:49
elkbuntuboth of which work for me02:49
elkbuntui think...02:49
elkbuntumaybe...02:49
elkbuntuyep, i can be at both sessions02:50
Burgundaviabasically you just need to be ther, because with fixed times, I imagine we will have more people showing up randomly02:50
Burgundaviaone hour or two?02:50
elkbuntutwo02:50
Burgundaviasounds good02:50
elkbuntubecause few are going to show up right on the hour02:50
poningruwell lets make it where we have start time02:51
poningruand then whenever we finish02:51
elkbuntufor this however, gobby is required... do we have a redundancy optioin after eldo disappears?02:51
poningruatleast for saturday one02:51
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: you can lead the wednesday one, from UTC 19 to 21/02:51
Burgundavia?02:51
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: eldo?02:51
poningrudisapears???02:51
poningrutonyyarusso: /me02:51
elkbuntuponingru, after the 20th?02:51
poningruoh right02:51
tonyyarussoponingru: ah02:51
elkbuntuBurgundavia, i can try02:51
Burgundaviatry is good02:52
tonyyarussoI can run a gobby server as well if necessary.02:52
elkbuntuBurgundavia, dinner falls in there, but that's only half an hour or so02:52
elkbuntutonyyarusso, might be worthwhile02:52
poningruyou know I think I can probably put up another one here02:52
Burgundaviaand any one of us can lead the saturday, UTC 04 to 0602:52
elkbuntuponingru, can we delegate to tonyyarusso instead, since if something goes wrong with yours...02:52
poningrusounds good02:52
Burgundaviaby lead, I basically mean facilitate, answer questions, etc.02:52
elkbuntuyep02:52
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elkbuntuanyway, we're approaching this meeting's 2hr mark02:53
Burgundaviaany further UWN things?02:53
tonyyarussoFYI, it will be on a non-standard port, since I already have one running for something else, with a user that wouldn't understand.02:53
poningrutonyyarusso: let me know if you run into trouble02:53
BurgundaviaI want to discuss one further thing02:53
tonyyarussoponingru: Sure.  (And get on writing that patch for directly affecting files..)02:53
poningruhehe yeah02:53
elkbuntuBurgundavia, be quick?02:54
Burgundaviayep02:54
Burgundaviathe LookingForwardAtFeisty doc02:54
BurgundaviaI really want to finish it, but I realize I simply don;t have time02:54
Burgundaviacan somebody else step up and lead that?02:54
poningruhmm k02:54
elkbuntuis an 'i'll try' ok for here?02:54
poningruon gobby right?02:54
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: sure02:54
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elkbuntui'll try02:54
Burgundaviasounds good02:55
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: lets talk briefly tomorrow about my vision and merge that into yours and then we can run02:55
elkbuntuyep02:55
Burgundaviaand one further thing: the Herd 2 doc02:55
Burgundaviathat is also coming up soonish02:55
elkbuntuindeed02:55
poningruooh02:55
Burgundaviawe need more people :)02:55
Burgundaviahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule02:56
Burgundaviaherd 2 is January 11, so we have a bit02:56
elkbuntuyeah02:56
Burgundaviaok, closing thoughts?02:56
poningruhmm ok02:56
tonyyarussoDon't slam the!...*sigh*..door02:57
BurgundaviaI need a volunteer for writing up the minutes02:57
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Burgundaviamostly focused on what we agreed on02:57
=== elkbuntu will
Burgundaviasounds good02:57
poningruw00t02:57
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BurgundaviaI have to jet, need to be somewhere in an hour02:58
Burgundaviathanks for a great meeting everybody02:58
elkbuntuBurgundavia, cya dude02:58
poningrubye guys02:58
Burgundaviawe got a lot covered02:58
elkbuntuok, i think that means we're done...02:59
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jendaAnything else to address?03:04
jendaNo trial, corporal/capital punishments... sanctions... nothing painful?03:05
jendameh... boring meeting.03:05
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jendamuch better, thanks ;)03:07
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poningrujenda: whatever dude that was an awesome03:38
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jendaponingru: an awesome...?03:38
poningrumeeting03:40
jendaah03:40
jenda;)03:40
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