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[01:02] failed [01:03] we have a jenda [01:03] ok, now we need a christina [01:03] do we have an ajenda, though? :) [01:03] rofl [01:03] wait is christina coming? === elkbuntu points to corey's brain [01:04] we're talking about armstrong right? [01:04] yes [01:04] What is her nick? [01:04] trying to remember [01:04] CJA [01:04] aha, that [01:04] no jono either [01:04] indeed [01:04] she's online [01:05] !seen jono === somerville32 sighs. [01:05] no ubotu === CJA [n=christin@82-44-65-62.stb.ubr03.mort.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:05] :) [01:05] :) [01:05] welcome CJA [01:05] ubotu> I last saw jono (n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono) 1d 5h 5m 4s ago, quiting: "Ex-Chat" [01:05] Hi All [01:06] I don't think Jono is joining us [01:06] i dont think jono's attending [01:06] Hello CJA [01:06] CJA is the important one, not jono, at least for this purpose [01:06] shall we start? [01:06] Yep. [01:06] yes === somerville32 nods. [01:06] excellent, welcome to the first marketing team meeting in a long time [01:06] I can only stay for 30 minutes ... I've ducked out of my friends b'day party! [01:06] :) [01:06] uh oh, let's be quick, then. [01:06] we will start by introducing ourselves, and then CJA can say her piece === Burgundavia is Corey Burger [01:07] Good to speak to you all. And thanks for inviting me! :O) === elkbuntu is Melissa Draper === tonyyarusso is Tony Yarusso === danbuch929 is Dan Buch === somerville32 is Cody A.W. Somerville [01:07] OK. === beuno is here too [01:08] beuno: mind introducing yourself? === jenda is Jenda Vancura === beuno is Martin Albisetti [01:08] that was a little monotone ;) [01:08] I'm a bit new, I'm trying to help out Dan with the webpage [01:08] So, what's our agenda? Things required CJA first I imagine, which are? [01:09] pretty much [01:09] yep [01:09] "and then CJA can say her piece" === jenda waits ;) [01:09] CJA: you want to introduce who you are, what you do for canonical and how we can help you? [01:09] OK [01:09] I'm the marketing and communications manager @ canonical [01:09] I have 12 years marketing/pr and communications experience [01:09] sweet [01:10] all in telecoms/IT companies [01:10] my job is to help develop the Canonical/Ubuntu brands [01:10] to help the canonical employees and the community [01:10] with messaging, guidance on campaigns [01:10] advice on talking to journalists [01:11] make sure we are all promoting the project and company correctly [01:11] I'm working closely with Jono to see how we can better align Canonical with you, the community [01:11] after all, as I said in my email, we all have the same goal [01:11] and that is world domination :O) [01:11] :D [01:12] ah, neat ;) [01:12] We are the marketing team... [01:12] we share the common goal ;) [01:12] so i'm not here to police what you do, or stop you doing things. I'm here to help and advise you. [01:12] What about the how can we help you part? Or are you pretty much waiting on jono? [01:12] CJA: want to lay out some of the specific projects Canonical working on right now? [01:13] ok first question .... i'm working with Jono, Melissa and Corey to see how we can better align activities and see how you can help me as much as me helping you [01:13] really i'll probably call on you guys to drain your knowledge of Linux [01:13] hehe [01:13] and how we can get a really strong message out there for Ubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jenda focuses on Marketing because of his _lack_ of knowledge of Linux [01:14] you guys talk to the people using it and are closer to them than i will ever be ... so your my eyes and ears so to speak [01:14] :O) [01:14] CJA: quick question did you get my email? === poningru is Eldo Varghese btw [01:14] Erm .... don't know ... regarding? [01:14] Ah, yes I think I did [01:15] And projects Im working on for Canonical...... [01:15] do we have an agenda to which I can add something? [01:15] I'm currently working on developing some messaging for Canonical, who the company is, how we fit with the community, support services etc... for us as a company to use in all our comms [01:16] poningru, at this point, PM Burgundavia [01:16] I'm looking at refreshing both the canonical.com and ubuntu.com websites [01:16] poningru: you can bring up any topic as long as we are awake, I think. [01:16] really tightening up the content [01:16] and getting them looking a lot sharper and cleaner in design [01:16] CJA, with the focus on canonical rather then on Ubuntu? [01:17] the ubuntu.com refresh is at the point of deciding which CMS to use, fyi [01:17] for messaging? Yes. On the Ubuntu side I'm really just tidying up what is there [01:17] You've all done a great job of messaging it so far [01:17] ;O) === beuno is happy to see someone focusing on "tightening up the content" [01:17] CJA: What about the sister projects? [01:18] ie. Xubuntu, Kubuntu, and Edubuntu [01:18] the ppl at bazaar que really use the help... [01:18] somerville32: those are currently more autonomous [01:18] erm... i'm helping Melissa to get some things in place for a linux event in Jan, working with jono for community attendance at Socal in LA [01:18] We currently run an adwords campaign for Bazaar [01:19] we're seeing some really good results from it [01:19] I'm just working through the stats at the mo and am happy to share them === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:19] obviously if there are things we can do to help we will. speak to Jono and myself about the things you need [01:19] CJA: there are a number of people int he community with a good deal of experience with cms'. Shall bring in a few more onto the ubuntu.com refresh?' [01:20] Burgundavia: We originally had 5 CMS selected which went down to 4 after discussing with Elmo on the security side [01:20] CJA, I meant in cleaning up the content of their website [01:20] ooh I would love to help with plone if they are at all looking into that [01:20] I have a lot of experience with Drupal [01:20] We had to drop a couple last week too so are down to Drupal and Joomla [01:21] ah ok === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:21] But yes I'm happy if you think someone else should be involved for them to help [01:21] ok, we can talk about it as a team after you have to run [01:21] poningru: you wanted to talk quickly about press releases? [01:21] just bear in mind we need to keep the group fairly small so it doesn't turn in to a mammoth task :O) [01:21] absolutely [01:21] yes [01:22] hold on let me grab the spec link from lp [01:22] and so you know .. we aim to have the refreshed sites live around mid Feb 2007 [01:22] poningru: can you give us a two line intro as well? [01:22] k [01:22] CJA: another question are you working with newz2000 wrt search.ubuntu.com === beuno does web dev for a living, so I can probably help out where needed [01:22] I helped a bit with that but he disapeared on me [01:23] no not yet. but yes would love to talk to you about it. [01:23] poningru: newz2000 is leading the website refresh [01:23] catch me online next week to discuss [01:23] Newz2000 and I are leading the refresh ...so that will be part of it [01:23] so press releases .... [01:23] right still trying to find the link :( [01:24] was that the email about them being overly technical? [01:24] no [01:24] ok basically what I am trying to do is have press release be localized by each loco team and spread it within their community/media [01:25] OK. === MefistoRQ [n=MefistoR@151.73.166.200] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:25] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/loco-press-releases [01:25] ooh thanks :) [01:25] I talked to jono about it he gave the thumbs up [01:26] sounds like a great idea [01:26] i've put in place a timeline for the next release === beuno heads the Argentina LoCo team, so we can translate into spanish [01:27] The Feisty release will be finalised on 12th April [01:27] also: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/PressTeam/EPK [01:27] we can get to you then for translation === vorian_ [n=steve@cpe-76-181-131-162.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:27] that's one week before release [01:27] we can probably use rosetta for this [01:27] right [01:27] poningru: can you research and the specifics of doing this up on that spec? [01:27] obviously we need to be careful that it isn't leaked though [01:27] sure [01:28] we will be doing embargoed calls with journalists [01:28] CJA: cant we just put a 'not to be released till: ' quote on it? [01:28] that doesnt stop gossip [01:28] Yes - we put 'embargoed until 19 April' on it [01:28] right [01:28] given CJA time is running down, shall we talk about case studies quickly? [01:28] however that won't stop people sending it to other people and talking [01:28] so we need to be careful [01:29] won't stop it ending up on digg [01:29] true [01:29] Yep. I'll stay for another 15... [01:29] want to quickly layout canonical's needs and vision? [01:29] Is this going to be the most publicized release yet? [01:30] somerville32: every release is bigger than the last [01:30] We will try to get as much 'noise' around it as we can [01:30] i'd like to try to do some launch parties [01:30] is something i talked to jono about [01:30] ooh awesome [01:31] I am pretty sure I can get the firefox launch party app [01:31] excellent! [01:32] So regarding Canonical ... our vision/commitment is still the same ... to drive/support /promote open source software and the community [01:32] But obviously we need to make our money from selling the support services of the global support team [01:32] CjA, digg and slashdot are good places to make a lot of noise with very little, maybe someone can target those sites specifically. (articles, scoops, etc) [01:32] to enterprises that need help/advice on large deployments [01:33] OK. noted. [01:33] my aim is to position us as the specialists of the open source world [01:33] and that includes you guys [01:33] there's a whole load of brain power amongst us [01:33] and we should be proud of it! [01:34] :) [01:34] [01:34] so next year we'll be getting more key notes at events [01:34] Jono already has a few lined up [01:34] awesome [01:34] We are at 5 events in the first three months of next year [01:34] is that including LCA? [01:35] Open source meets business in Nuremberg in Jan [01:35] The Linux conf in Aus in Jan [01:35] :) === jenda can try doing a bit of noise here on freenode, such as a wallop or two - it's not much, but it can get us the hardcores ;) [01:35] Socal in LA in Feb [01:35] Open Solutions summit in NY [01:35] targeted at Fortune 500 companies [01:35] rock! [01:35] and CeBit in Hanover in March [01:35] Plus .... Free Software World in Spain in March [01:36] sorry Feb [01:36] When will the UTS be, BTW? [01:36] i'd guess May [01:36] So there's a whole load of activities happening. [01:36] I think it's scheduled for April/May [01:36] I'd guess May as well... [01:36] ah, that's even better :) [01:37] So someone asked about case studies earlier ... [01:37] I'll do my best to attend in Nuremberg and the UDS [01:37] I get all the 'my story' emails to my inbox [01:37] we get an average of 5 - 15 a day [01:37] some are just single users who think its great and wanna tell us [01:38] some are really big news ... like all the developers @ Orange Search using Ubuntu [01:38] nice [01:38] A German Airline deploying it on 120 laptops for all their pilots [01:38] woah [01:38] wow [01:38] cambridge University debating society [01:39] their debate hall was too small so they set up a video link to a new room and use ubuntu [01:39] there are lots of schools/Unis [01:39] I'm writing up the ones that will make big news and aim to have the first ones ready for use next week [01:39] Wish I knew who they all were ;) [01:39] these will be available for you to use [01:39] great [01:39] I'm going to set up a page on the wiki so you can see them all [01:40] CJA: is there enough of them for you to use? [01:40] I'll also place the quotes from single users ... etc.. so you can see them all [01:40] CJA: a subpage of DIYMarketing would be smashing [01:40] We'll have 4 next week [01:40] there are lots of people here would love to send in something like this [01:40] and eventually jenda et al's new shiny DIY thingy [01:40] What meeting is this? [01:40] OK. Noted. [01:40] sid: -marketing [01:40] A big one I'm trying to get is Palmsource [01:41] Burgundavia: yes, that would be a very shiny addition. [01:41] thanks Burgundavia [01:41] all their developers use Ubuntu === jenda prods Dan Buch [01:41] CJA: how can the marketing team help the mystory stuff? [01:41] WOAH [01:41] palmsource??? [01:41] thats awesome === danbuch929 prods jenda back :-) [01:41] any stories you hear of ... anything interesting ... something different [01:41] let me know! [01:41] I can help you write it [01:42] Did you see the news where Yahoo talked about using Ubuntu last week? [01:42] http://news.com.com/A+look+inside+Googles+open-source+kitchen+-+page+2/2008-7344_3-6143465-2.html?tag=st.num === elkbuntu didnt :| [01:42] Is that Ubuntu videos idea happening? Like the firefox videos? [01:42] elkbuntu: Those polls ever go public? [01:42] sid: possibly, stick around to chat about it [01:42] not something i have heard of... [01:43] sid, im still working on them. it takes alot of time === jenda didn't see dat either. [01:43] CJA, I'm recompiling the ones in Argentina, I'm following 2 or 3 specifically, one o them being a school to teach adults computers, but instead of windows, Linux [01:43] I'm hoping to do an 'Apple 1984' video for Ubuntu next year ... watch this space [01:43] OK great. Would be great to see them. I have a Q&A that I use if that helps you? [01:43] I can send it [01:43] elkbuntu: Can't you just tar -c website/polls_directory|gzip -9 &> polls.tar.gz; then people can get them and GNU Plot the stats themselves. [01:44] the great quote was: [01:44] You use Ubuntu on the desktop, is there any reason for that? [01:44] DiBona: Well, the founder went into space! We just really like it, we [01:44] think it's really well-executed, and it's really user-friendly. It's [01:44] also very well managed. It's a very up-to-date distribution. It's very [01:44] secure. It's very well-written. They started with Debian, and they made [01:44] yes, that would help a lot [01:44] it really nice. I think they did a great job of it. Of course, we [01:44] modified it so it runs on our network and provides the kinds of tools [01:44] that our software developers use [01:44] sid: (Maybe ask in the normal #ubuntu-marketing so as not to disrupt the meeting) [01:44] argentina@gmail.com [01:45] once i set up the page for case studies .. i'll place the Q&A and template there too with some good / bad examples to help you guys produce them [01:45] CJA: we chatted about getting some of the raw data out to the community, along with some case study templates [01:45] great [01:46] Yep. Templates and case studies you'll have next week [01:46] excellent [01:46] Raw data I'm still looking in to .... can we have a separate conversation about what exactly you need [01:47] absolute [01:47] -ly [01:47] OK. I need to head off pretty soon .... anything else you want to ask me [01:47] let me know before I go get drunk ;O) [01:47] anything else? shall we let the lovely lady head out? [01:48] :] === poningru_ [n=poningru@pool-72-64-211-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jenda (BTW) points out to CJA that logs of the rest of the meeting after she leaves will be available thanks to ubuntulog - and if we find a volunteer, there might even be minutes. You won't miss a thing ;) [01:48] jenda: oh, I will find a volunteer] === jenda hides === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:48] lol.great! [01:48] Been great speaking to you guys. [01:49] Burgundavia: sorry, not today ;) [01:49] CJA: thanks for coming! [01:49] Thanks! [01:49] Feel free to call/email me with questions or if you need any advice [01:49] thanks CJA :) [01:49] Have a fab weekend! [01:49] Totally! === CJA [n=christin@82-44-65-62.stb.ubr03.mort.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] [01:49] excellent. Next topic [01:49] Food. [01:49] bye cja [01:49] rofl [01:49] beer [01:49] given it already late in morning for jenda, lets move to his projects [01:50] uh oh === jenda splashes water in his face [01:50] want to give us a brief summary of what you are doing, have done and will be working on? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:51] ok [01:51] sure [01:51] So - I picked up an old idea from the extinct Marketing Team: SpreadUbuntu === danbuch929 stands in applause [01:52] and wanted to bring it to life, tried constructing a concept for it, and a purpose, too ;) [01:52] it was quite a struggle, and was largely unsuccessful :) [01:52] recently, however, I decided to take a different approach, and that was to cut it up into tiny pieces [01:53] And leave most of them out altogether :) [01:53] Anyway, what we end up with, is starting out with a DIY project, with 4 basic goals: [01:53] heh [01:53] Burgundavia? [01:54] just thinking off all the discussions I have had about spreadubuntu [01:54] I see. [01:55] but continue [01:55] Well, let me just sum up what the current work is. [01:55] The DIY project (personified by a website, currently under Dan's heavy construction) should: [01:56] 1) Collect DIY marketing material from the community - there is so much of it (good) in so many places (bad). [01:57] I currently imagine it would all be hosted on teh doc team's server in the form of an ftp syncing with a bzr branch - which the entire MT has access to. [01:57] uh... we do? [01:57] The DIY site would offer links to the files in categories, with thumbnails. [01:57] poningru_: yes ;) [01:57] security through obscurity ;) [01:57] (now gone) [01:57] rofl [01:58] basically, this would be our single place to point people at when they ask "Where can I find some stuff to spread Ubuntu" [01:58] yes [01:58] yes? [01:58] and expanding that thought a tiny bit further... === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:58] would they be able to add stuff? [01:58] 2) List people who are offering ready made material for 'sale', or for free, or for trade... etc. [01:59] poningru_: yes [01:59] a "marketplace" of sorts [01:59] poningru_: I'd imagine adding to a wiki-style queue, and we would screen it for branding, trademarks and subjective opinions/democracy in some later to be specified process. [02:00] Burgundavia: a little bit. [02:00] ooh awesome [02:00] There are many people doing that now. [02:00] I didn't really know before :) [02:00] So I decided to try it out. [02:00] having a central place is good, because we can vet the people selling stuff, imho [02:00] Most of you probably know that I made and sold stickers and posters... [02:00] but why didn't I know that other people were offering? [02:01] are we sure we wanna do the swag thing? I really have no objections to it, just that maybe we should run this by canonical first? [02:01] Because there was no place for them to do so. [02:01] poningru_: I did. [02:01] or have you... [02:01] cool [02:01] a few times ;) [02:01] Jane and Jono. [02:01] people making money of Ubuntu has always been part of the plan [02:02] For example, juliux is selling some absolutely perfect shirts, t and polo. I'm wearing one right now - they rock [02:02] jenda: can you move a tiny bit quicker. We still have lots todo and little time [02:02] The above is the reason I won't be making shirts myself ;) [02:02] sure [02:02] OK, I believe this section is explained [02:02] given we are already at 1hr and counting [02:02] does this website involve a process for getting new stuff vetted? [02:03] It should. [02:03] sounds good [02:03] But we haven't yet constructed it. [02:03] and how can the non-involved help you get this up and running faster? [02:03] Suggestions welcome, but not now ;) [02:03] preferably on teh ML [02:03] ie; what do you need right now? [02:03] err [02:03] MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite [02:03] one of the things I want out of this meeting is a list of things we can new people involved with [02:03] There is a fairly detailed roadmap there. [02:04] I'm definitely appreciating workforce. [02:04] Currently, danbuch929 has been of immensely great help, and beuno is helping out too. [02:04] hmm, I don't see a "I want to help, what can I do" list [02:04] i tried, but ran out of time [02:04] BTW, the website has got a prototype and working copy at diy.devubuntu.com [02:04] elkbuntu: that's OK ;) [02:05] I know how that works :/ [02:05] Burgundavia: you aren't looknig. [02:05] :) [02:05] the task list? [02:05] There is a 'tasklist' which I intend to expand. [02:05] right === jenda lost the thread ;) [02:05] that is what I thought, because I don't see "helping us construct a new material queue" [02:05] hehe [02:06] :) [02:06] noted [02:06] ok, next section [02:06] sorry if I am a task master, but that is my nature [02:06] that is appreciated. [02:06] 3) A section that would encourage people to join the folks in #2 [02:07] With details of some of the projects in #2, depending on what the author will be willing to offer. [02:07] Since I did my stuff for this section - this is where I'll be trying to convince people that they can actually make a profit, whilst helping the community. [02:08] Although we'll appreciate it more if the profits are donated or used beneficially someway :) [02:08] And to that I'll add as a note that I have about $148 left from the posters, and if anyone has a good way to use them, please let me know - chances are that I'll eventually think of something :) [02:09] maybe we should brainstorm a place for people to give their money to? [02:09] such as a charity like TTC? [02:09] can't they donate to Ubuntu directly? [02:09] dunno [02:09] the foundation doesn't exist [02:09] anyway, we can brainstorm post meeting [02:09] Ubuntu isn't a foundation? === jenda stares [02:09] nope [02:09] anyway. [02:10] The Ubuntu Foundation doesn't actually exist? [02:10] can someone confirm this? [02:10] nothing more than a name and $10 million dollar cheque [02:10] I always believed it did. [02:10] ok [02:10] Where do donations go? [02:10] do they hide under that cheque? [02:10] it may now legally exist, but I have no idea [02:10] [02:10] OK, we'll check that later. [02:10] http://www.ubuntu.com/donations [02:10] thx [02:11] Burgundavia, explain that page? [02:11] I'd now say #4, but I already said it in #1 ;) [02:11] elkbuntu: that makes no mention of the foundation [02:11] Let's research this later. [02:11] ok, right. im only half reading what's going on [02:11] yep [02:11] I'm sure mako will know exactly how that works. [02:12]