[01:02] <tonyyarusso> failed
[01:03] <poningru> we have a jenda
[01:03] <elkbuntu> ok, now we need a christina
[01:03] <jenda> do we have an ajenda, though? :)
[01:03] <poningru> rofl
[01:03] <poningru> wait is christina coming?
[01:04] <poningru> we're talking about armstrong right?
[01:04] <elkbuntu> yes
[01:04] <somerville32> What is her nick?
[01:04] <elkbuntu> trying to remember
[01:04] <Burgundavia> CJA
[01:04] <elkbuntu> aha, that
[01:04] <Burgundavia> no jono either
[01:04] <poningru> indeed
[01:04] <elkbuntu> she's online
[01:05] <somerville32> !seen jono
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> no ubotu
[01:05] <elkbuntu> :)
[01:05] <somerville32> :)
[01:05] <Burgundavia> welcome CJA
[01:05] <tonyyarusso>  ubotu> I last saw jono (n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono) 1d 5h 5m 4s ago, quiting: "Ex-Chat"
[01:05] <CJA> Hi All
[01:06] <CJA> I don't think Jono is joining us
[01:06] <elkbuntu> i dont think jono's attending
[01:06] <jenda> Hello CJA
[01:06] <Burgundavia> CJA is the important one, not jono, at least for this purpose
[01:06] <Burgundavia> shall we start?
[01:06] <CJA> Yep.
[01:06] <elkbuntu> yes
[01:06] <Burgundavia> excellent, welcome to the first marketing team meeting in a long time
[01:06] <CJA> I can only stay for 30 minutes ... I've ducked out of my friends b'day party!
[01:06] <jenda> :)
[01:06] <jenda> uh oh, let's be quick, then.
[01:06] <Burgundavia> we will start by introducing ourselves, and then CJA can say her piece
[01:07] <CJA> Good to speak to you all. And thanks for inviting me! :O)
[01:07] <CJA> OK.
[01:08] <Burgundavia> beuno: mind introducing yourself?
[01:08] <jenda> that was a little monotone ;)
[01:08] <beuno> I'm a bit new, I'm trying to help out Dan with the webpage
[01:08] <tonyyarusso> So, what's our agenda?  Things required CJA first I imagine, which are?
[01:09] <Burgundavia> pretty much
[01:09] <elkbuntu> yep
[01:09] <jenda> "and then CJA can say her piece"
[01:09] <Burgundavia> CJA: you want to introduce who you are, what you do for canonical and how we can help you?
[01:09] <CJA> OK
[01:09] <CJA> I'm the marketing and communications manager @ canonical
[01:09] <CJA> I have 12 years marketing/pr and communications experience
[01:09] <poningru> sweet
[01:10] <CJA> all in telecoms/IT companies
[01:10] <CJA> my job is to help develop the Canonical/Ubuntu brands
[01:10] <CJA> to help the canonical employees and the community
[01:10] <CJA> with messaging, guidance on campaigns
[01:10] <CJA> advice on talking to journalists
[01:11] <CJA> make sure we are all promoting the project and company correctly
[01:11] <CJA> I'm working closely with Jono to see how we can better align Canonical with you, the community
[01:11] <CJA> after all, as I said in my email, we all have the same goal
[01:11] <CJA> and that is world domination :O)
[01:11] <somerville32> :D
[01:12] <jenda> ah, neat ;)
[01:12] <jenda> We are the marketing team...
[01:12] <jenda> we share the common goal ;)
[01:12] <CJA> so i'm not here to police what you do, or stop you doing things. I'm here to help and advise you.
[01:12] <tonyyarusso> What about the how can we help you part?  Or are you pretty much waiting on jono?
[01:12] <Burgundavia> CJA: want to lay out some of the specific projects Canonical working on right now?
[01:13] <CJA> ok first question .... i'm working with Jono, Melissa and Corey to see how we can better align activities and see how you can help me as much as me helping you
[01:13] <CJA> really i'll probably call on you guys to drain your knowledge of Linux
[01:13] <poningru> hehe
[01:13] <CJA> and how we can get a really strong message out there for Ubuntu
[01:14] <CJA> you guys talk to the people using it and are closer to them than i will ever be ... so your my eyes and ears so to speak
[01:14] <CJA> :O)
[01:14] <poningru> CJA: quick question did you get my email?
[01:14] <CJA> Erm .... don't know ... regarding?
[01:14] <CJA> Ah, yes I think I did
[01:15] <CJA> And projects Im working on for Canonical......
[01:15] <poningru> do we have an agenda to which I can add something?
[01:15] <CJA> I'm currently working on developing some messaging for Canonical, who the company is, how we fit with the community, support services etc... for us as a company to use in all our comms
[01:16] <elkbuntu> poningru, at this point, PM Burgundavia
[01:16] <CJA> I'm looking at refreshing both the canonical.com and ubuntu.com websites
[01:16] <jenda> poningru: you can bring up any topic as long as we are awake, I think.
[01:16] <CJA> really tightening up the content
[01:16] <CJA> and getting them looking a lot sharper and cleaner in design
[01:16] <beuno> CJA, with the focus on canonical rather then on Ubuntu?
[01:17] <Burgundavia> the ubuntu.com refresh is at the point of deciding which CMS to use, fyi
[01:17] <CJA> for messaging? Yes. On the Ubuntu side I'm really just tidying up what is there
[01:17] <CJA> You've all done a great job of messaging it so far
[01:17] <CJA> ;O)
[01:17] <somerville32> CJA: What about the sister projects?
[01:18] <somerville32> ie. Xubuntu, Kubuntu, and Edubuntu
[01:18] <beuno> the ppl at bazaar que really use the help...
[01:18] <Burgundavia> somerville32: those are currently more autonomous
[01:18] <CJA> erm... i'm helping Melissa to get some things in place for a linux event in Jan, working with jono for community attendance at Socal in LA
[01:18] <CJA> We currently run an adwords campaign for Bazaar
[01:19] <CJA> we're seeing some really good results from it
[01:19] <CJA> I'm just working through the stats at the mo and am happy to share them
[01:19] <CJA> obviously if there are things we can do to help we will. speak to Jono and myself about the things you need
[01:19] <Burgundavia> CJA: there are a number of people int he community with a good deal of experience with cms'. Shall bring in a few more onto the ubuntu.com refresh?'
[01:20] <CJA> Burgundavia: We originally had 5 CMS selected which went down to 4 after discussing with Elmo on the security side
[01:20] <beuno> CJA, I meant in cleaning up the content of their website
[01:20] <poningru> ooh I would love to help with plone if they are at all looking into that
[01:20] <somerville32> I have a lot of experience with Drupal
[01:20] <CJA> We had to drop a couple last week too so are down to Drupal and Joomla
[01:21] <poningru> ah ok
[01:21] <CJA> But yes I'm happy if you think someone else should be involved for them to help
[01:21] <Burgundavia> ok, we can talk about it as a team after you have to run
[01:21] <Burgundavia> poningru: you wanted to talk quickly about press releases?
[01:21] <CJA> just bear in mind we need to keep the group fairly small so it doesn't turn in to a mammoth task :O)
[01:21] <Burgundavia> absolutely
[01:21] <poningru> yes
[01:22] <poningru> hold on let me grab the spec link from lp
[01:22] <CJA> and so you know .. we aim to have the refreshed sites live around mid Feb 2007
[01:22] <Burgundavia> poningru: can you give us a two line intro as well?
[01:22] <poningru> k
[01:22] <poningru> CJA: another question are you working with newz2000 wrt search.ubuntu.com
[01:22] <poningru> I helped a bit with that but he disapeared on me
[01:23] <CJA> no not yet. but yes would love to talk to you about it.
[01:23] <Burgundavia> poningru: newz2000 is leading the website refresh
[01:23] <CJA> catch me online next week to discuss
[01:23] <CJA> Newz2000 and I are leading the refresh ...so that will be part of it
[01:23] <CJA> so press releases ....
[01:23] <poningru> right still trying to find the link :(
[01:24] <CJA> was that the email about them being overly technical?
[01:24] <poningru> no
[01:24] <poningru> ok basically what I am trying to do is have press release be localized by each loco team and spread it within their community/media
[01:25] <CJA> OK.
[01:25] <Burgundavia> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/loco-press-releases
[01:25] <poningru> ooh thanks :)
[01:25] <poningru> I talked to jono about it he gave the thumbs up
[01:26] <CJA> sounds like a great idea
[01:26] <CJA> i've put in place a timeline for the next release
[01:27] <CJA> The Feisty release will be finalised on 12th April
[01:27] <poningru> also: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/PressTeam/EPK
[01:27] <CJA> we can get to you then for translation
[01:27] <CJA> that's one week before release
[01:27] <Burgundavia> we can probably use rosetta for this
[01:27] <poningru> right
[01:27] <Burgundavia> poningru: can you research and the specifics of doing this up on that spec?
[01:27] <CJA> obviously we need to be careful that it isn't leaked though
[01:27] <poningru> sure
[01:28] <CJA> we will be doing embargoed calls with journalists
[01:28] <poningru> CJA: cant we just put a 'not to be released till: ' quote on it?
[01:28] <elkbuntu> that doesnt stop gossip
[01:28] <CJA> Yes - we put 'embargoed until 19 April' on it
[01:28] <poningru> right
[01:28] <Burgundavia> given CJA time is running down, shall we talk about case studies quickly?
[01:28] <CJA> however that won't stop people sending it to other people and talking
[01:28] <CJA> so we need to be careful
[01:29] <Burgundavia> won't stop it ending up on digg
[01:29] <poningru> true
[01:29] <CJA> Yep. I'll stay for another 15...
[01:29] <Burgundavia> want to quickly layout canonical's needs and vision?
[01:29] <somerville32> Is this going to be the most publicized release yet?
[01:30] <Burgundavia> somerville32: every release is bigger than the last
[01:30] <CJA> We will try to get as much 'noise' around it as we can
[01:30] <CJA> i'd like to try to do some launch parties
[01:30] <CJA> is something i talked to jono about
[01:30] <poningru> ooh awesome
[01:31] <poningru> I am pretty sure I can get the firefox launch party app
[01:31] <CJA> excellent!
[01:32] <CJA> So regarding Canonical ... our vision/commitment  is still the same ... to drive/support /promote open source software and the community
[01:32] <CJA> But obviously we need to make our money from selling the support services of the global support team
[01:32] <beuno> CjA, digg and slashdot are good places to make a lot of noise with very little, maybe someone can target those sites specifically.  (articles, scoops, etc)
[01:32] <CJA> to enterprises that need help/advice on large deployments
[01:33] <CJA> OK. noted.
[01:33] <CJA> my aim is to position us as the specialists of the open source world
[01:33] <CJA> and that includes you guys
[01:33] <CJA> there's a whole load of brain power amongst us
[01:33] <CJA> and we should be proud of it!
[01:34] <elkbuntu> :)
[01:34] <jenda> 
[01:34] <CJA> so next year we'll be getting more key notes at events
[01:34] <CJA> Jono already has a few lined up
[01:34] <poningru> awesome
[01:34] <CJA> We are at 5 events in the first three months of next year
[01:34] <elkbuntu> is that including LCA?
[01:35] <CJA> Open source meets business in Nuremberg in Jan
[01:35] <CJA> The Linux conf in Aus in Jan
[01:35] <elkbuntu> :)
[01:35] <CJA> Socal in LA in Feb
[01:35] <CJA> Open Solutions summit in NY
[01:35] <CJA> targeted at Fortune 500 companies
[01:35] <elkbuntu> rock!
[01:35] <CJA> and CeBit in Hanover in March
[01:35] <CJA> Plus .... Free Software World in Spain in March
[01:36] <CJA> sorry Feb
[01:36] <jenda> When will the UTS be, BTW?
[01:36] <elkbuntu> i'd guess May
[01:36] <CJA> So there's a whole load of activities happening.
[01:36] <CJA> I think it's scheduled for April/May
[01:36] <jenda> I'd guess May as well...
[01:36] <jenda> ah, that's even better :)
[01:37] <CJA> So someone asked about case studies earlier ...
[01:37] <jenda> I'll do my best to attend in Nuremberg and the UDS
[01:37] <CJA> I get all the 'my story' emails to my inbox
[01:37] <CJA> we get an average of 5 - 15 a day
[01:37] <CJA> some are just single users who think its great and wanna tell us
[01:38] <CJA> some are really big news ... like all the developers @ Orange Search using Ubuntu
[01:38] <elkbuntu> nice
[01:38] <CJA> A German Airline deploying it on 120 laptops for all their pilots
[01:38] <poningru> woah
[01:38] <jenda> wow
[01:38] <CJA> cambridge University debating society
[01:39] <CJA> their debate hall was too small so they set up a video link to a new room and use ubuntu
[01:39] <CJA> there are lots of schools/Unis
[01:39] <CJA> I'm writing up the ones that will make big news and aim to have the first ones ready for use next week
[01:39] <tonyyarusso> Wish I knew who they all were ;)
[01:39] <CJA> these will be available for you to use
[01:39] <jenda> great
[01:39] <CJA> I'm going to set up a page on the wiki so you can see them all
[01:40] <poningru> CJA: is there enough of them for you to use?
[01:40] <CJA> I'll also place the quotes from single users ... etc.. so you can see them all
[01:40] <Burgundavia> CJA: a subpage of DIYMarketing would be smashing
[01:40] <CJA> We'll have 4 next week
[01:40] <poningru> there are lots of people here would love to send in something like this
[01:40] <Burgundavia> and eventually jenda et al's new shiny DIY thingy
[01:40] <sid> What meeting is this?
[01:40] <CJA> OK. Noted.
[01:40] <Burgundavia> sid: -marketing
[01:40] <CJA> A big one I'm trying to get is Palmsource
[01:41] <jenda> Burgundavia: yes, that would be a very shiny addition.
[01:41] <sid> thanks Burgundavia
[01:41] <CJA> all their developers use Ubuntu
[01:41] <Burgundavia> CJA: how can the marketing team help the mystory stuff?
[01:41] <poningru> WOAH
[01:41] <poningru> palmsource???
[01:41] <poningru> thats awesome
[01:41] <CJA> any stories you hear of ... anything interesting ... something different
[01:41] <CJA> let me know!
[01:41] <CJA> I can help you write it
[01:42] <CJA> Did you see the news where Yahoo talked about using Ubuntu last week?
[01:42] <CJA> http://news.com.com/A+look+inside+Googles+open-source+kitchen+-+page+2/2008-7344_3-6143465-2.html?tag=st.num
[01:42] <sid> Is that Ubuntu videos idea happening? Like the firefox videos?
[01:42] <sid> elkbuntu: Those polls ever go public?
[01:42] <Burgundavia> sid: possibly, stick around to chat about it
[01:42] <CJA> not something i have heard of...
[01:43] <elkbuntu> sid, im still working on them. it takes alot of time
[01:43] <beuno> CJA, I'm recompiling the ones in Argentina, I'm following 2 or 3 specifically, one o them being a school to teach adults computers, but instead of windows, Linux
[01:43] <CJA> I'm hoping to do an 'Apple 1984' video for Ubuntu next year ... watch this space
[01:43] <CJA> OK great. Would be great to see them. I have a Q&A that I use if that helps you?
[01:43] <CJA> I can send it
[01:43] <sid> elkbuntu: Can't you just tar -c website/polls_directory|gzip -9 &> polls.tar.gz; then people can get them and GNU Plot the stats themselves.
[01:44] <CJA> the great quote was:
[01:44] <CJA> You use Ubuntu on the desktop, is there any reason for that?
[01:44] <CJA> DiBona: Well, the founder went into space! We just really like it, we
[01:44] <CJA> think it's really well-executed, and it's really user-friendly. It's
[01:44] <CJA> also very well managed. It's a very up-to-date distribution. It's very
[01:44] <CJA> secure. It's very well-written. They started with Debian, and they made
[01:44] <beuno> yes, that would help a lot
[01:44] <CJA> it really nice. I think they did a great job of it. Of course, we
[01:44] <CJA> modified it so it runs on our network and provides the kinds of tools
[01:44] <CJA> that our software developers use
[01:44] <tonyyarusso> sid: (Maybe ask in the normal #ubuntu-marketing so as not to disrupt the meeting)
[01:44] <beuno> argentina@gmail.com
[01:45] <CJA> once i set up the page for case studies .. i'll place the Q&A and template there too with some good / bad examples to help you guys produce them
[01:45] <Burgundavia> CJA: we chatted about getting some of the raw data out to the community, along with some case study templates
[01:45] <beuno> great
[01:46] <CJA> Yep. Templates and case studies you'll have next week
[01:46] <Burgundavia> excellent
[01:46] <CJA> Raw data I'm still looking in to .... can we have a separate conversation about what exactly you need
[01:47] <Burgundavia> absolute
[01:47] <Burgundavia> -ly
[01:47] <CJA> OK. I need to head off pretty soon .... anything else you want to ask me
[01:47] <CJA> let me know before I go get drunk ;O)
[01:47] <Burgundavia> anything else? shall we let the lovely lady head out?
[01:48] <somerville32> :] 
[01:48] <Burgundavia> jenda: oh, I will find a volunteer] 
[01:48] <CJA> lol.great!
[01:48] <CJA> Been great speaking to you guys.
[01:49] <jenda> Burgundavia: sorry, not today ;)
[01:49] <Burgundavia> CJA: thanks for coming!
[01:49] <somerville32> Thanks!
[01:49] <CJA> Feel free to call/email me with questions or if you need any advice
[01:49] <elkbuntu> thanks CJA :)
[01:49] <CJA> Have a fab weekend!
[01:49] <somerville32> Totally!
[01:49] <Burgundavia> excellent. Next topic
[01:49] <somerville32> Food.
[01:49] <poningru_> bye cja
[01:49] <poningru_> rofl
[01:49] <poningru_> beer
[01:49] <Burgundavia> given it already late in morning for jenda, lets move to his projects
[01:50] <jenda> uh oh
[01:50] <Burgundavia> want to give us a brief summary of what you are doing, have done and will be working on?
[01:51] <jenda> ok
[01:51] <jenda> sure
[01:51] <jenda> So - I picked up an old idea from the extinct Marketing Team: SpreadUbuntu
[01:52] <jenda> and wanted to bring it to life, tried constructing a concept for it, and a purpose, too ;)
[01:52] <jenda> it was quite a struggle, and was largely unsuccessful :)
[01:52] <jenda> recently, however, I decided to take a different approach, and that was to cut it up into tiny pieces
[01:53] <jenda> And leave most of them out altogether :)
[01:53] <jenda> Anyway, what we end up with, is starting out with a DIY project, with 4 basic goals:
[01:53] <Burgundavia> heh
[01:53] <jenda> Burgundavia?
[01:54] <Burgundavia> just thinking off all the discussions I have had about spreadubuntu
[01:54] <jenda> I see.
[01:55] <Burgundavia> but continue
[01:55] <jenda> Well, let me just sum up what the current work is.
[01:55] <jenda> The DIY project (personified by a website, currently under Dan's heavy construction) should:
[01:56] <jenda> 1) Collect DIY marketing material from the community - there is so much of it (good) in so many places (bad).
[01:57] <jenda> I currently imagine it would all be hosted on teh doc team's server in the form of an ftp syncing with a bzr branch - which the entire MT has access to.
[01:57] <poningru_> uh... we do?
[01:57] <jenda> The DIY site would offer links to the files in categories, with thumbnails.
[01:57] <jenda> poningru_: yes ;)
[01:57] <jenda> security through obscurity ;)
[01:57] <jenda> (now gone)
[01:57] <poningru_> rofl
[01:58] <Burgundavia> basically, this would be our single place to point people at when they ask "Where can I find some stuff to spread Ubuntu"
[01:58] <jenda> yes
[01:58] <Burgundavia> yes?
[01:58] <jenda> and expanding that thought a tiny bit further...
[01:58] <poningru_> would they be able to add stuff?
[01:58] <jenda> 2) List people who are offering ready made material for 'sale', or for free, or for trade... etc.
[01:59] <jenda> poningru_: yes
[01:59] <Burgundavia> a "marketplace" of sorts
[01:59] <jenda> poningru_: I'd imagine adding to a wiki-style queue, and we would screen it for branding, trademarks and subjective opinions/democracy in some later to be specified process.
[02:00] <jenda> Burgundavia: a little bit.
[02:00] <poningru_> ooh awesome
[02:00] <jenda> There are many people doing that now.
[02:00] <jenda> I didn't really know before :)
[02:00] <jenda> So I decided to try it out.
[02:00] <Burgundavia> having a central place is good, because we can vet the people selling stuff, imho
[02:00] <jenda> Most of you probably know that I made and sold stickers and posters...
[02:00] <jenda> but why didn't I know that other people were offering?
[02:01] <poningru_> are we sure we wanna do the swag thing? I really have no objections to it, just that maybe we should run this by canonical first?
[02:01] <jenda> Because there was no place for them to do so.
[02:01] <jenda> poningru_: I did.
[02:01] <poningru_> or have you...
[02:01] <poningru_> cool
[02:01] <jenda> a few times ;)
[02:01] <jenda> Jane and Jono.
[02:01] <Burgundavia> people making money of Ubuntu has always been part of the plan
For example, juliux is selling some absolutely perfect shirts, t and polo. I'm wearing one right now - they rock </spam>
[02:02] <Burgundavia> jenda: can you move a tiny bit quicker. We still have lots todo and little time
[02:02] <jenda> The above is the reason I won't be making shirts myself ;)
[02:02] <jenda> sure
[02:02] <jenda> OK, I believe this section is explained
[02:02] <Burgundavia> given we are already at 1hr and counting
[02:02] <Burgundavia> does this website involve a process for getting new stuff vetted?
[02:03] <jenda> It should.
[02:03] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[02:03] <jenda> But we haven't yet constructed it.
[02:03] <Burgundavia> and how can the non-involved help you get this up and running faster?
[02:03] <jenda> Suggestions welcome, but not now ;)
[02:03] <jenda> preferably on teh ML
[02:03] <Burgundavia> ie; what do you need right now?
[02:03] <jenda> err
[02:03] <jenda> MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite
[02:03] <Burgundavia> one of the things I want out of this meeting is a list of things we can new people involved with
[02:03] <jenda> There is a fairly detailed roadmap there.
[02:04] <jenda> I'm definitely appreciating workforce.
[02:04] <jenda> Currently, danbuch929 has been of immensely great help, and beuno is helping out too.
[02:04] <Burgundavia> hmm, I don't see a "I want to help, what can I do" list
[02:04] <elkbuntu> i tried, but ran out of time
[02:04] <jenda> BTW, the website has got a prototype and working copy at diy.devubuntu.com
[02:04] <jenda> elkbuntu: that's OK ;)
[02:05] <jenda> I know how that works :/
[02:05] <jenda> Burgundavia: you aren't looknig.
[02:05] <jenda> :)
[02:05] <Burgundavia> the task list?
[02:05] <jenda> There is a 'tasklist' which I intend to expand.
[02:05] <Burgundavia> right
[02:05] <Burgundavia> that is what I thought, because I don't see "helping us construct a new material queue"
[02:05] <jenda> hehe
[02:06] <Burgundavia> :)
[02:06] <jenda> noted
[02:06] <jenda> ok, next section
[02:06] <Burgundavia> sorry if I am a task master, but that is my nature
[02:06] <jenda> that is appreciated.
[02:06] <jenda> 3) A section that would encourage people to join the folks in #2
[02:07] <jenda> With details of some of the projects in #2, depending on what the author will be willing to offer.
[02:07] <jenda> Since I did my stuff for this section - this is where I'll be trying to convince people that they can actually make a profit, whilst helping the community.
[02:08] <jenda> Although we'll appreciate it more if the profits are donated or used beneficially someway :)
[02:08] <jenda> And to that I'll add as a note that I have about $148 left from the posters, and if anyone has a good way to use them, please let me know - chances are that I'll eventually think of something :)
[02:09] <Burgundavia> maybe we should brainstorm a place for people to give their money to?
[02:09] <Burgundavia> such as a charity like TTC?
[02:09] <jenda> can't they donate to Ubuntu directly?
[02:09] <jenda> dunno
[02:09] <Burgundavia> the foundation doesn't exist
[02:09] <Burgundavia> anyway, we can brainstorm post meeting
[02:09] <jenda> Ubuntu isn't a foundation?
[02:09] <Burgundavia> nope
[02:09] <jenda> anyway.
[02:10] <somerville32> The Ubuntu Foundation doesn't actually exist?
[02:10] <jenda> can someone confirm this?
[02:10] <Burgundavia> nothing more than a name and $10 million dollar cheque
[02:10] <jenda> I always believed it did.
[02:10] <jenda> ok
[02:10] <jenda> Where do donations go?
[02:10] <jenda> do they hide under that cheque?
[02:10] <Burgundavia> it may now legally exist, but I have no idea
[02:10] <jenda> 
[02:10] <jenda> OK, we'll check that later.
[02:10] <elkbuntu> http://www.ubuntu.com/donations
[02:10] <jenda> thx
[02:11] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, explain that page?
[02:11] <jenda> I'd now say #4, but I already said it in #1 ;)
[02:11] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: that makes no mention of the foundation
[02:11] <jenda> Let's research this later.
[02:11] <elkbuntu> ok, right. im only half reading what's going on
[02:11] <Burgundavia> yep
[02:11] <jenda> I'm sure mako will know exactly how that works.
[02:12] <Burgundavia> jono will as well
[02:12] <jenda> Anyway
[02:12] <jenda> yes
[02:12] <Burgundavia> I am not worried that the money is misused
[02:12] <Burgundavia> one of the other pieces of SU was the actually spreading stuff
[02:12] <jenda> The 3-4) steps I outlined are the basic ones I'd like to start with. danbuch929 and I have agreed on a deadline for 15th of January for them.
[02:12] <Burgundavia> however, I think, with the new website revamp and the forums, I think we can do within Ubuntu
[02:13] <jenda> They concern actual marketing material - swag.
[02:13] <jenda> The next step would concern what I clumsily call DIY Marketing Howtos
[02:14] <jenda> I'd like a database of instructions/suggestions that would give people ideas on what they could do in their school, company, town, country... newspaper, area.
[02:14] <poningru> sorry my wifi is being weird
[02:14] <danbuch929> on a technical note, we're currently using Wordpress to implement this feature
[02:14] <jenda> Sources: what people have actually done already... what people of other projects have done... what people would like to do, but can't for some reason.
[02:14] <danbuch929> it should be woven in within a week
[02:15] <jenda> ah, good news ;)
[02:15] <Burgundavia> for the "stories of spreading ubuntu">/
[02:15] <Burgundavia> ?
[02:15] <danbuch929> Burgundavia: yes, and the Howto's
[02:15] <Burgundavia> right
[02:15] <Burgundavia> can we talk about that?
[02:15] <jenda> Well, to this I think we could link the stories once CJA makes them available to is.
[02:15] <jenda> us
[02:15] <Burgundavia> there is a place for Howtos: the ubuntu wiki
[02:15] <jenda> I believe it'll stitch together quite nicely
[02:16] <danbuch929> Burgundavia: plus all the ones I see on the Forum :-P
[02:16] <Burgundavia> right
[02:16] <jenda> Burgundavia: yes, but it doesn't work for them just as it doesn't for DIYMaterial.
[02:16] <Burgundavia> but the wiki is a nice place, because it removes the hit by bus effect, plus means people don't have to get yet another account to edit them
[02:16] <jenda> Yes
[02:16] <jenda> true
[02:17] <Burgundavia> we don't need more places for split resources
[02:17] <jenda> We could just organise them on the site, but link to them on the wiki
[02:17] <jenda> agreed
[02:17] <Burgundavia> something you mentioned yourself
[02:17] <danbuch929> jenda, Burgundavia:  we mentioned having a wiki-like submission construct
[02:17] <jenda> but there are no resources of the type yet
[02:17] <jenda> danbuch929: if so, I'd prefer using the ubuntu wiki
[02:17] <Burgundavia> howtos != actual material
[02:17] <danbuch929> we can use THE wiki for submission/discusion
[02:17] <danbuch929> yes
[02:17] <Burgundavia> howtos are "do X, then Y"
[02:17] <jenda> content control would be done through linking/not linking to.
[02:17] <Burgundavia> the actual material needs to be on the diy site, just the howtos on the wiki
[02:17] <jenda> Burgundavia: yes...?
[02:18] <jenda> ok
[02:18] <danbuch929> Burgundavia: I whole-heartedly agree
[02:18] <Burgundavia> I love the current DIY site layout
[02:18] <jenda> That I consider a technical detail.
[02:18] <Burgundavia> yes, but a big one
[02:18] <jenda> Burgundavia: thanks to MenZa, danbuch929 and beuno for that.
[02:18] <jenda> Burgundavia: yes, but one that we can solve at any time.
[02:19] <jenda> I agree that the HOWTOs should be on the wiki.
[02:19] <Burgundavia> better to get it right first off
[02:19] <danbuch929> on another technical note, the DIY site style is not yet optimized for speed - images are still a bit bulky
[02:19] <danbuch929> ...so please don't judge :-D
[02:20] <jenda> In any case, I'd imagine each howto to tell the reader 1) what they need to do the plan (CDs, a booth, a school, etc) 2) how much time to prepare/perform/maintain 3) estimated budget
[02:20] <Burgundavia> seems reasonable
[02:20] <jenda> all suggestions appreciated - preferably ML, as usual.
[02:20] <danbuch929> jenda: so might we provide a template for Howto submissions on the wiki?
[02:20] <Burgundavia> so I see the following sections linking to the wiki: make, design and spread
[02:20] <jenda> While the DIY material part is all schemed and almost ready.
[02:20] <elkbuntu> +1
[02:20] <jenda> danbuch929: +1
[02:21] <Burgundavia> not directly, but linking to various wiki pages
[02:21] <jenda> (While the DIY material part is all schemed and almost ready...), the HOWTO section is still just an idea I'd like done.
[02:21] <jenda> Burgundavia: +1
[02:21] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[02:22] <Burgundavia> the work you guys have already done is amazing
[02:22] <danbuch929> Burgundavia: great to hear :-)
[02:22] <Burgundavia> I have been wanted a web-based repo for content for a long while
[02:22] <jenda> And, as you suggested before, the case studies from mystory will make a great complement to this section.
[02:22] <jenda> (to the Howtos)
[02:22] <jenda> Or as a seperate section.
[02:23] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[02:23] <jenda> In order to show what can be achieved, etc.
[02:23] <Burgundavia> shall we rap up and move on? anything more to discuss?
[02:23] <jenda> And in this manner, I'd like to create more and more sections that would help the average fan to get out there and... well... spread ubuntu ;)
[02:23] <Burgundavia> wrap up, rather
[02:23] <Burgundavia> heh
[02:23] <jenda> ;)
[02:24] <elkbuntu> i think wrapping up is good
[02:24] <jenda> Anyone have any questions? :)
[02:24] <somerville32> Is Jenda still talking?
[02:24] <somerville32> haha ;] 
[02:24] <elkbuntu> lol
[02:24] <jenda> somerville32: just for you, I'll shut up.
[02:24] <jenda> 
[02:24] <Burgundavia> so lets get a todo list for finishing the website and going live
[02:24] <jenda> right
[02:24] <Burgundavia> jenda or danbuch929: mind doing that?
[02:24] <Burgundavia> then we need a list of howtos to be written
[02:24] <danbuch929> jenda: shall we discuss and get this out by Monday?
[02:25] <Burgundavia> lets start a mailing list discussion on that
[02:25] <jenda> one more thing - once the website is done, it'll probably be on diy.ubuntu.com
[02:25] <jenda> or similar.
[02:25] <Burgundavia> absolutely
[02:25] <jenda> danbuch929: yes
[02:25] <jenda> Burgundavia: atoponce has expressed interest in helping with that.
[02:26] <Burgundavia> jenda: with which?
[02:26] <jenda> list of howtos
[02:26] <Burgundavia> cool
[02:26] <jenda> I believe that will be a very enjoyable job for people with imagination.
[02:26] <jenda> 
[02:26] <Burgundavia> can I leave that in your hands?
[02:26] <danbuch929> real quick before we disband:
[02:26] <jenda> Very well suited for non-techies, too :)
[02:26] <jenda> Burgundavia: probably ;)
[02:26] <Burgundavia> ok
[02:26] <danbuch929> can I just erase almost everything on DIYMarketing?  :-D
[02:26] <danbuch929> the wiki page
[02:27] <jenda> danbuch929: erm... ;)
[02:27] <danbuch929> as it's all soooo up-to-date ;-)
[02:27] <Burgundavia> danbuch929: only once the content is safely in a bzr repo
[02:27] <jenda> danbuch929: probably not a good idea till we have a replacement.
[02:27] <Burgundavia> it is easier to update that than create new stuff
[02:27] <jenda> BTW, that's another easy job - diy hunting.
[02:28] <jenda> just collecting all the bits and pieces and bzr'ing them.
[02:28] <jenda> ok
[02:29] <jenda> I will have exams for pretty much the next two months, and although I'm a very lazy student, I'll do my best not to spend my time on IRC doing SU.
[02:29] <Burgundavia> understandable
[02:29] <jenda> I'll still be around most of the time - just please excuse me if things take me a longer time, or if I try to throw them on someone else.
[02:29] <jenda> On February 10, I'm going on a wild budget trip to India for three weeks.
[02:29] <Burgundavia> all the more reason to get those todos done asap :)
[02:30] <jenda> And if that doesn't end my life at 20 (exactly ;)), I'll be back after that, ready to work again.
[02:30] <Burgundavia> shall we move on to the next project: the UWN?
[02:30] <jenda> (or was it fingers)
[02:30] <Burgundavia> :)
[02:30] <elkbuntu> g'nite jenda
[02:31] <jenda> whoa...
[02:31] <jenda> you ain't getting rid of me that easy!
[02:31] <jenda> :)
[02:31] <elkbuntu> lol
[02:31] <Burgundavia> ok, the UWN
[02:31] <danbuch929> rofl
[02:31] <elkbuntu> yes Burgundavia ?
[02:31] <Burgundavia> I assume everybody knows what it is, but here is a recap: The Ubuntu Weekly News (UWN) is a weekly snapshot all the happenings in the Ubuntu community and world.
[02:32] <Burgundavia> it is not really weekly, mostly due to my lack of time
[02:32] <Burgundavia> yes, yes it has
[02:32] <Burgundavia> somerville32 has recently joined and made a major impression
[02:32] <elkbuntu> and some bad feedback as well, i might add
[02:33] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: bad feedback?
[02:33] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, lococontacts list
[02:33] <jenda> May i jump in with a single line OT note, please?
[02:33] <elkbuntu> towsonu2003 or whatever editted the kurdish article without checking facts, we didnt notice, and it got sent out with bad information
[02:34] <jenda> The ubuntu-marketing mailing list is getting a lot of spam lately, and it's just poningru and I who moderate it - any volunteers welcome, please email me.
[02:34] <Burgundavia> ah right
[02:34] <somerville32> I'll volunteer.
[02:34] <elkbuntu> towsonu2003 then editted the wiki page to change the story
[02:34] <jenda> somerville32: see the word _email_ :)
[02:34] <Burgundavia> we should write something in 25 about that
[02:35] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, most definately
[02:35] <elkbuntu> and talk to the culprit
[02:35] <Burgundavia> I will talk with towsonu
[02:35] <elkbuntu> it was even after crimsun's edits, so after even our final checks
[02:35] <somerville32> If you didn't know, he is t u on ml
[02:36] <somerville32> elkbuntu: Really? Oh wow
[02:36] <Burgundavia> lets chat about that specific issue post meeting
[02:36] <Burgundavia> I wanted to get everybodies feedback on how the system as a whole is working
[02:37] <poningru> hmm
[02:37] <somerville32> We need to encourage people to submit stuff
[02:37] <somerville32> And we need to improve the way we process the changes in feisty
[02:38] <elkbuntu> no, content is not the issue
[02:38] <Burgundavia> I would agree
[02:38] <Burgundavia> people is our issue
[02:38] <Burgundavia> as content will follow people
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> UWN - wise?  Generally I think it's pretty good.  One suggestion I have is signing our sections in comments, so if say, someone looks at an article and has something to clarify about it, they know who to contact, even beyond the "beats" of the regulars giving a hint.
[02:39] <poningru> wait what exactly is the problem we are trying to solve?
[02:39] <elkbuntu> poningru, the tardiness of the editions
[02:39] <poningru> oh...
[02:39] <Burgundavia> tardiness of the issues mostly revolves around me being a roadblock currently
[02:39] <poningru> well...
[02:39] <Burgundavia> which revolves around the fact that the Feisty changes section currently relies on me
[02:40] <Burgundavia> here is a thought;
[02:40] <Burgundavia> lets open a gmail account called "UWNqueue"
[02:40] <Burgundavia> subscribe it to teh various mailing lists and then have the password known to a select few
[02:40] <tonyyarusso> Interesting idea
[02:41] <somerville32> Hmm...
[02:41] <tonyyarusso> But how is it different from all of us being subscribed?
[02:41] <somerville32> and we could sort it using tags and stuff
[02:41] <elkbuntu> i think that still involves too much noise
[02:41] <Burgundavia> the primary thing that needs to be taken out of my hands is the sorting of the feisty-changes list
[02:41] <poningru> I like the email idea
[02:41] <Burgundavia> we could use gmane for it?
[02:42] <somerville32> gmane?
[02:42] <poningru> its the email archive thing
[02:42] <Burgundavia> http://gmane.org/
[02:42] <poningru> its got a web front end
[02:42] <Burgundavia> basically, I need to create a criteria list for how I select things that look interesting
[02:42] <somerville32> What about strong collaboration with Developers?
[02:43] <somerville32> *stronger
[02:43] <poningru> Burgundavia: right
[02:43] <Burgundavia> the don't really have the time
[02:43] <somerville32> Alrighty
[02:43] <Burgundavia> s/the/they/
[02:43] <somerville32> We could use some script magic to help get things moving
[02:43] <jenda> Burgundavia: one question just occured to me. Every week these weeks, there is a quiz in #ubuntu-trivia. Every quiz has a winner, and every winner gets a prize (so far, either a poster or an RMS book (Free as in Freedom, I think)). Do you think we could have a threeliner in the UWN which would say who gave/won/sponsored the quiz and inviting for the next?
[02:44] <Burgundavia> jenda: absolutely
[02:44] <Burgundavia> dump it on the uwn
[02:44] <Burgundavia> somerville32: difficult todo, given it is very subjective
[02:44] <Burgundavia> the criteria, that is
[02:45] <somerville32> It could help sort and prioritize
[02:45] <Burgundavia> it could
[02:45] <Burgundavia> basically it could do the inital sort, because I only look at new upstream versions
[02:45] <Burgundavia> basically it would need to parse all the emails from feisty-changes and then pull out anything with a -1 in it
[02:46] <Burgundavia> after that, it becomes very subjective
[02:46] <somerville32> There are some rules that I can think of though - such as grouping gnome packages
[02:46] <Burgundavia> yep
[02:46] <Burgundavia> somerville32: you think you can do that?
[02:46] <somerville32> Yup.
[02:46] <Burgundavia> shall we chat after about a set of rules?
[02:46] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[02:46] <poningru> ok so another thing re: UWN
[02:46] <poningru> couple of things I think we can do: we seem to be working well while in a group, so lets have work sessions like twice a week once in the middle and once when we are going to release
[02:47] <Burgundavia> fixed work sessions? I like the idea
[02:47] <poningru> right
[02:47] <elkbuntu> easier to work around, yeah
[02:47] <Burgundavia> currently they are mostly in the NA evening, due to my schedule
[02:47] <somerville32> How about Wednesday and Saturday?
[02:47] <Burgundavia> that works
[02:47] <poningru> right
[02:48] <poningru> thats what I was thinking
[02:48] <somerville32> :D
[02:48] <Burgundavia> saturday could be NA evening and wednesday should be Europe evening
[02:48] <poningru> ooh good thinking
[02:49] <Burgundavia> that would make wednesday UTC 19 or 20 and saturday UTC 04 or 05
[02:49] <Burgundavia> do we have somebody who can lead the wednesday sessions?
[02:49] <elkbuntu> both of which work for me
[02:49] <elkbuntu> i think...
[02:49] <elkbuntu> maybe...
[02:50] <elkbuntu> yep, i can be at both sessions
[02:50] <Burgundavia> basically you just need to be ther, because with fixed times, I imagine we will have more people showing up randomly
[02:50] <Burgundavia> one hour or two?
[02:50] <elkbuntu> two
[02:50] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[02:50] <elkbuntu> because few are going to show up right on the hour
[02:51] <poningru> well lets make it where we have start time
[02:51] <poningru> and then whenever we finish
[02:51] <elkbuntu> for this however, gobby is required... do we have a redundancy optioin after eldo disappears?
[02:51] <poningru> atleast for saturday one
[02:51] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you can lead the wednesday one, from UTC 19 to 21/
[02:51] <Burgundavia> ?
[02:51] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: eldo?
[02:51] <poningru> disapears???
[02:51] <poningru> tonyyarusso: /me
[02:51] <elkbuntu> poningru, after the 20th?
[02:51] <poningru> oh right
[02:51] <tonyyarusso> poningru: ah
[02:51] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, i can try
[02:52] <Burgundavia> try is good
[02:52] <tonyyarusso> I can run a gobby server as well if necessary.
[02:52] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, dinner falls in there, but that's only half an hour or so
[02:52] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, might be worthwhile
[02:52] <poningru> you know I think I can probably put up another one here
[02:52] <Burgundavia> and any one of us can lead the saturday, UTC 04 to 06
[02:52] <elkbuntu> poningru, can we delegate to tonyyarusso instead, since if something goes wrong with yours...
[02:52] <poningru> sounds good
[02:52] <Burgundavia> by lead, I basically mean facilitate, answer questions, etc.
[02:52] <elkbuntu> yep
[02:53] <elkbuntu> anyway, we're approaching this meeting's 2hr mark
[02:53] <Burgundavia> any further UWN things?
[02:53] <tonyyarusso> FYI, it will be on a non-standard port, since I already have one running for something else, with a user that wouldn't understand.
[02:53] <poningru> tonyyarusso: let me know if you run into trouble
[02:53] <Burgundavia> I want to discuss one further thing
[02:53] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Sure.  (And get on writing that patch for directly affecting files..)
[02:53] <poningru> hehe yeah
[02:54] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, be quick?
[02:54] <Burgundavia> yep
[02:54] <Burgundavia> the LookingForwardAtFeisty doc
[02:54] <Burgundavia> I really want to finish it, but I realize I simply don;t have time
[02:54] <Burgundavia> can somebody else step up and lead that?
[02:54] <poningru> hmm k
[02:54] <elkbuntu> is an 'i'll try' ok for here?
[02:54] <poningru> on gobby right?
[02:54] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: sure
[02:54] <elkbuntu> i'll try
[02:55] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[02:55] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: lets talk briefly tomorrow about my vision and merge that into yours and then we can run
[02:55] <elkbuntu> yep
[02:55] <Burgundavia> and one further thing: the Herd 2 doc
[02:55] <Burgundavia> that is also coming up soonish
[02:55] <elkbuntu> indeed
[02:55] <poningru> ooh
[02:55] <Burgundavia> we need more people :)
[02:56] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[02:56] <Burgundavia> herd 2 is January 11, so we have a bit
[02:56] <elkbuntu> yeah
[02:56] <Burgundavia> ok, closing thoughts?
[02:56] <poningru> hmm ok
[02:57] <tonyyarusso> Don't slam the!...*sigh*..door
[02:57] <Burgundavia> I need a volunteer for writing up the minutes
[02:57] <Burgundavia> mostly focused on what we agreed on
[02:57] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[02:57] <poningru> w00t
[02:58] <Burgundavia> I have to jet, need to be somewhere in an hour
[02:58] <Burgundavia> thanks for a great meeting everybody
[02:58] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, cya dude
[02:58] <poningru> bye guys
[02:58] <Burgundavia> we got a lot covered
[02:59] <elkbuntu> ok, i think that means we're done...
[03:04] <jenda> Anything else to address?
[03:05] <jenda> No trial, corporal/capital punishments... sanctions... nothing painful?
[03:05] <jenda> meh... boring meeting.
[03:07] <jenda> much better, thanks ;)
[03:38] <poningru> jenda: whatever dude that was an awesome
[03:38] <jenda> poningru: an awesome...?
[03:40] <poningru> meeting
[03:40] <jenda> ah
[03:40] <jenda> ;)