[12:20] <bddebian> heh
[12:21] <LaserJock> I can't for the life of me get vmware to work
[12:24] <sistpoty> ha, I don't need vmware, I use faumachine
[12:24] <sistpoty> but it cost me some hair as well *g*
[12:26] <LaserJock> sistpoty: what's that?
[12:26] <sistpoty> LaserJock: it's basically a virtual pc... and the project I'm doing my thesis on
[12:27] <LaserJock> ah
[12:27] <LaserJock> well I want to be able to do some test
[12:27] <LaserJock> that's all :/
[12:27] <LaserJock> just wanted to do some SRUs 
[12:28] <sistpoty> ah... have you tried qemu yet?
[12:28] <LaserJock> qemu by itself it too slow for me
[12:28] <LaserJock> and I haven't had a ton of luck with kqemu
[12:28] <LaserJock> I might have to do it anyway if I can't get vmware going
[12:28] <sistpoty> hehe... then faumachine will also be too slow, it uses parts of the qemu cpu ;)
[12:29] <Riddell> siretart: xine doesn't seem to want to play dvds any more
[12:29] <Riddell> at least installing the edgy libxine and libxine-extracodecs fixes it
[12:30] <ajmitch> LaserJock: why not jmantha?
[12:30] <LaserJock> ajmitch: cause sistpoty said it was messing up his name coloring ;-)
[12:30] <ajmitch> haha
[12:30] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:31] <LaserJock> well, vmware *should* be working
[12:31] <LaserJock> I went through everything
[12:45] <Admiral_Chicago> \sh_away: ping with a question
[12:47] <LaserJock> grrrr
[12:47] <Admiral_Chicago> LaserJock: what are you trying to run in VMware?
[12:47] <Admiral_Chicago> feistf?
[12:47] <Admiral_Chicago> err Feisty
[12:48] <LaserJock> I'm just trying to get vmware to work period
[12:48] <LaserJock> I can't get it to even start
[12:48] <Admiral_Chicago> ah okay. I was wondering because a lot of people have had issues with Feisty and VMware
[12:49] <LaserJock> I feel pretty retarded. It really doesn't seem like most people have a problem
[12:49] <Admiral_Chicago> i've only seen it used a few times, not sure how to use it myself
[12:49] <Admiral_Chicago> have you tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare ?
[12:50] <LaserJock> yep
[12:50] <Admiral_Chicago> is it installed? just won't run
[12:51] <LaserJock> yeah, I installed vmware server
[12:52] <LaserJock> and it went through everything
[12:52] <LaserJock> but when I go to run it, it says it's not configured
[12:52] <Admiral_Chicago> what does the konsole tell you? have you tried runing it from there?
[12:52] <LaserJock> vmware-player from the edgy repos doesn't install
[12:53] <LaserJock> yeah, it says to run the configure script again
[12:53] <LaserJock> which I've done like 4 times now
[12:53] <Admiral_Chicago> permissions?
[12:53] <LaserJock> ran it with sudo
[01:32] <joejaxx> gdm starts the desktop environment based on the xseesions in /usr/share/xsessions?
[01:32] <joejaxx> right?
[01:32] <LaserJock> I think so
[01:32] <joejaxx> i wonder why it is running the window manager directly instead of using the exec variable in the xsession desktop file
[01:33] <LaserJock> for what window manager?
[01:33] <joejaxx> fluxbox
[01:33] <LaserJock> so it's running something other then what is in the /usr/share/xsessions/fluxbox.desktop
[01:33] <joejaxx> it should be running yes
[01:33] <joejaxx> bah
[01:34] <joejaxx> yes*
[01:34] <joejaxx> it should be running /usr/bin/startfluxbox
[01:34] <joejaxx> Exec=/usr/bin/startfluxbox
[01:40] <joejaxx> i think i got it :D
[01:40] <joejaxx> hold on let me see
[01:44] <ryanakca> How do you build a package with cdbs and qmake-qt4? I have the qmake.mk line in rules... what else?
[01:45] <bddebian> Shouldn't it just be an issue of the build-dep?
[01:50] <somerville32> 0_o
[01:51] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee 
[01:51] <gnomefreak> good morning Hobbsee 
[01:52] <sistpoty> ryanakca: look what /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/qmake.mk does, if you can't find it out, don't use cdbs ;)
[01:52] <LaserJock> Hobbsee!!!
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch, gnomefreak 
[01:52] <ryanakca> hey Hobbsee
[01:52] <Hobbsee> LaserJock!
[01:52] <sistpoty> hi Hobbsee
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hey ryanakca 
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hey sistpoty 
[01:53] <ryanakca> somerville32: ask bddebian about it... I've already ripped all my hair out over it :)
[01:54] <bddebian> heh
[01:54] <ryanakca> sistpoty: copy it over to rules, and change QMAKE = qmake to QMAKE = qmake-qt4 ?
[01:55] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[01:55] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian.  done all of u-u-s yet?
[01:55] <sistpoty> ryanakca: you could try that
[01:55] <bddebian> Nah, I can't keep up with you and crimsun_ there :-)
[01:56] <Hobbsee> bddebian: there are lots more there.  get to it!  :P
[01:57] <ryanakca> or wait... mkdir cdbs, copy over qmake.mk to it, and use debian/cdbs/qmake.mk instead of /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/qmake.mk....
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: why do you want to do that?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: in fact, what are you doing?
[01:58] <ryanakca> [19:33]  <ryanakca> How do you build a package with cdbs and qmake-qt4? I have the qmake.mk line in rules... what else?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> oh right
[01:58] <ryanakca> I'm packaging monkeystudio, a Qt4 IDE
[01:58] <Hobbsee> ahh
[01:59] <sistpoty> ryanakca: and file a bug against cdbs, QMAKE shouldn't really be hardwired to qmake, should be something like QMAKE ?= qmake (so that you can override it)
[01:59] <Hobbsee> you'd do well to ask someone who was porting kde stuff over, like Riddell and others
[01:59] <Hobbsee> sistpoty: yes, but we're only starting to build kde4 stuff :P
[02:00] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:01] <ryanakca> bug report or no?
[02:02] <sistpoty> ryanakca: wishlist bug ;)
[02:02] <geser> Hobbsee: should bug 28763 be pushed back to u-m-s?
[02:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28763 in lshw "Missing .desktop file" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/28763
[02:03] <ryanakca> kk... stick a patch in there as well?
[02:03] <ryanakca> seeing that it's a simple enough fix?
[02:04] <sistpoty> ryanakca: bugs with patches are always very much appreciated ;)
[02:04] <somerville32> ryanakca, I can wishlist it for you, if you can't
[02:05] <ryanakca> heh, 2 line patch:
[02:05] <ryanakca> - QMAKE = qmake
[02:05] <ryanakca> + QMAKE ?= qmake
[02:05] <ryanakca> right?
[02:06] <sistpoty> ryanakca: let me recheck with the make manual
[02:06] <ryanakca> somerville32: please... I'm going to bug sflaw about -qa status on the 20th.... 
[02:06] <somerville32> ryanakca, What you do is copy the file and then edit it, then use diff to make a patch
[02:07] <ryanakca> yeah
[02:07] <ryanakca> diff -u, right? or just plain diff?
[02:09] <somerville32> diff - nuR I think
[02:09] <sistpoty> ryanakca: QMAKE ?= qmake should do the trick..
[02:10] <ryanakca> kk
[02:10] <bddebian> ryanakca: This thing is kicking my ass :-(
[02:11] <ryanakca> heh...
[02:12] <bddebian> Hmm now that time it worked.. WTF
[02:13] <ryanakca> you've taken up 3/4 of my log file :) back with that command at 19:42:55 that scrolled the whole vt and still had a few (command continued) things
[02:13] <ryanakca> what?
[02:14] <bddebian> building outside the tree
[02:14] <bddebian> Grr. hmm
[02:17] <bddebian> No thanks :-)
[02:17] <bddebian> I'm not a maintainer, I'm just a gopher :-)
[02:18] <ryanakca> lol
[02:18] <ryanakca> lol
[02:18] <ajmitch> "go fetch me coffee!"
[02:20] <ryanakca> ajmitch: oooh... is that a coffee stain? on a white shirt? :D
[02:20] <ryanakca> brb
[02:20] <Hobbsee> geser: yes.  well, just get someone in main to upload it.  ajmitch seems like a willing target
[02:21] <geser> is it enough for now to unsubscribe u-u-s and subscribe u-m-s instead?
[02:22] <Hobbsee> geser: you could try.  i've already tried unsub'ing u-u-s
[02:23] <ajmitch> updating the debdiff would be a good first step
[02:23] <Hobbsee> then someone said "it's in universe, universe should upload it"
[02:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:23] <gnomefreak> do we have s3 unicode 3d drivers in repos anywhere?
[02:24] <ryanakca> bddebian: I think I've figured out why I can't encrypt with your public key
[02:24] <joejaxx> anyone know of any screencasting applications other than xvidcap and istanbul?
[02:25] <Adri2000> in a debhelper package with .install files, what should I put in debian/rules? dh_install?
[02:27] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:28] <Adri2000> strange that it's commented by default for a library package...
[02:32] <LaserJock> well, you often don't need it
[02:32] <LaserJock> if the package behaves
[02:32] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[02:32] <LaserJock> cya sistpoty 
[02:32] <LaserJock> now I can change my nick ;-)
[02:32] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:33] <gnomefreak> is xserver-xorg-video-s3virge the 3d drivers for savage(s3) cards?
[02:38] <bddebian> ryanakca: Yeah?
[02:40] <awbassett> Anyone in here have access to change something on the Ubuntu overview on LP?
[02:40] <awbassett> there's a typo on it
[02:41] <bddebian> ryanakca: OK you are keeping me from cleaning up this stupid libparagui man.. :-)
[02:41] <ryanakca> bddebian: I'll /msg it to you
[02:42] <LaserJock> awbassett: no, you can file a bug about it though
[02:42] <awbassett> LaserJock, will do
[02:42] <awbassett> thanks
[02:43] <awbassett> in ubuntu-chicago we're actually doing bug triaging night as we speak :)
[02:43] <LaserJock> yeah, read about that
[02:43] <LaserJock> da bugs
[02:43] <awbassett> heh heh
[02:43] <awbassett> nixternal is one funny guy
[02:43] <ryanakca> lol, figured it out?
[02:44] <LaserJock> chitown bug busters
[02:44] <awbassett> word
[02:44] <Adri2000> small lib packaged: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3799 needs reviewers :)
[02:46] <ajmitch> Adri2000: unless I didn't spot it, you're missing the critical shlibs file
[02:46] <awbassett> unfortunately it looks like its just me and 'OrkinMan' doing the squashing
[02:46] <OrkinMan> muhahaha
[02:47] <Adri2000> ajmitch: uh? sistpoty told me it was not needed
[02:48] <Adri2000> libcroco hasn't got one for example
[02:53] <ryanakca> somerville32: http://dpaste.com/3844/   is the error I get with that qmake-qt4.mk ...
[02:58] <ajmitch> Adri2000: and does libcroco have dh_makeshlibs ?
[02:59] <Adri2000> ajmitch: I don't know, it uses cdbs
[03:02] <ajmitch> then it will
[03:02] <ajmitch> and yours doesn't use it
[03:02] <ajmitch> so it doesn't create the shlibs file
[03:06] <Adri2000> ajmitch: can you please add a comment on revu?
[03:06] <Adri2000> I'm going to bed now
[03:06] <ajmitch> ok
[03:06] <ajmitch> once I dig up passwords :)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: bah.  just recover the p/w again
[03:36] <bddebian> Frickin POS
[03:36] <bddebian> What are you supposed about a package that won't build outside of the source tree?
[03:50] <LaserJock> bddebian: how do you mean?
[03:56] <bddebian> LaserJock: kssh won't build in say kssh-0.7/build only in kssh-0.7/
[03:56] <bddebian> It usually means there's a hardcoded path somewhere in a configure or makefile
[04:01] <LaserJock> hmm
[04:01] <LaserJock> can you grep the hardcoded path
[04:13] <bddebian> LaserJock: I'm not sure what it is :-(
[04:24] <LaserJock> welp, I spent most of the day trying to figure out how to get vmware to work
[04:24] <LaserJock> and it turns out vmware doesn't work with madwifi
[04:41] <nixternal> ok like, i do debuild -S right, and then I do dpkg-buildpackage -sa right, and then I print out the .dsc and sign it right...and i highlight the changes right, how do i download that and run it now? do i need to scan the paper and the ocr will read it and build it for me?
[04:43] <LaserJock> nixternal: not quite
[04:43] <sladen> *blink*
[04:43] <LaserJock> debuild  is a wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[04:43] <nixternal> like, i tried to diffdeb it and it said no can do jose
[04:44] <LaserJock> debuild -S -sa
[04:44] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:44] <nixternal> bddebian: LaserJock obviously didn't catch it, or he was up to no good
[04:46] <LaserJock> and debuild -S -sa will sign the .dsc
[04:46] <LaserJock> darn it nixternal 
[04:46] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[04:47] <nixternal> lol
[04:47] <bddebian> hehe
[04:47] <nixternal> you didn't catch the "do i need to scan the paper and the ocr will read it and build it for me?"
[04:47] <nixternal> dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot -k2e2c0124
[04:48] <nixternal> but i have scripts to do that now..i just umph *.dsc
[04:48] <bddebian> heh
[04:48] <nixternal> that became to much to type...i have gotten bad...i have scripts to join local ssh servers
[04:49] <nixternal> i even have some scp scripts so i don't have to continuously type the username@ip:
[04:49] <LaserJock> geeze
[04:50] <LaserJock> lazy
[04:51] <nixternal> yup
[04:51] <nixternal> now i have my sister setup in a cron job to deliver breakfast every morning now
[04:51] <theCore> I, finally, found a way to use my 2GB of RAM. Building Firefox :)
[04:54] <nixternal> heh
[04:54] <theCore> ouch: Mem:   2075016k total,  2014436k used,    60580k free
[04:55] <theCore> maybe, I shouldn't build Emacs in parallel, too... :/
[04:56] <bddebian>  find / -name *emacs* |xargs rm -rf
[04:56] <theCore> haha
[04:57] <theCore> (defun religious-sacrifice () (interactive) (mapc (lambda (x) (shell-command (concat "rm " x)) (message "All hail emacs!!!")) (cdr (split-string (shell-command-to-string "whereis vim")))))
[05:47] <theCore> what are the changes between REVU and REVU2?
[05:48] <theCore> nevermind, I found the spec
[05:53] <LaserJock> man, today just isn't my day
[05:53] <rmjb_> it's still Saturday by you Laser?
[05:53] <Fujitsu> What's up, LaserJock?
[05:54] <LaserJock> rmjb: yeah
[05:54] <rmjb_> well then the day is almost over :)
[05:55] <bddebian> LaserJock: Still fighting vmware? :)
[05:55] <LaserJock> well, I tried vmware but it turns out it doesn't work with madwifi
[05:55] <LaserJock> so I decided to try qemu
[05:55] <rmjb_> vmware with madwifi?
[05:55] <rmjb_> in vmware it's ALL virtual hardware
[05:55] <rmjb_> except the CPU
[05:55] <LaserJock> but kqemu gives me kernel panics
[05:56] <LaserJock> rmjb_: it can't bridge the network to the madwifi
[05:56] <LaserJock> so I can't get any network
[05:57] <bddebian> Bah, who needs networking? :)
[05:57] <rmjb_> hmm... must be something linux specific then... I think vmware on windows can bridge to wireless nics...
[05:57] <rmjb_> can you try NAT instead of bridging?
[05:57] <theCore> LaserJock: I got a wifi card that use madwifi too. So, maybe I could try to make it for you   
[05:57] <LaserJock> rmjb_: not all wireless nics, just mine
[05:57] <LaserJock> tried NAT too
[05:58] <LaserJock> vmware just doesn't work for me it appears
[05:58] <LaserJock> so we'll see if I can get networking in qemu
[05:58] <rmjb_> the nat should work... you just wont be able to ping or connect to your vm from anywhere else but your host
[05:59] <rmjb_> LaserJock: you can always give Xen a try :)
[05:59] <LaserJock> well, I'm not sure
[05:59] <LaserJock> I just need to be able to connect to the net from my guest
[06:00] <rmjb_> if all you need is outbound connections NAT should work for you, and I don't think it needs to bond with your physical nic... it's a separate service that's running to handle it
[06:00] <LaserJock> rmjb: I'm not quite bold enough to try Xen
[06:00] <LaserJock> well, I couldn't get NAT to work
[06:00] <LaserJock> I'm not sure why
[06:01] <rmjb_> I'd try Xen, but vmware has spoiled me, I want management tools :)
[06:01] <theCore> LaserJock: are you trying to run a particular image?
[06:01] <rmjb_> did the guest get an ip?
[06:01] <LaserJock> not that I know of
[06:01] <LaserJock> theCore: well, in particular I'm trying to get an Edgy server install
[06:01] <Fujitsu> Has anybody tried to add a Debian task to a bug in the past fews days?
[06:01] <Fujitsu> *few
[06:02] <rmjb_> debian task or bug tracker?
[06:02] <theCore> LaserJock: ok, I will try that
[06:02] <LaserJock> I think minghua said something about the latest LP rollout messing up something
[06:02] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[06:02] <LaserJock> theCore: well, I need
[06:02] <LaserJock> it
[06:02] <Fujitsu> It does mess up something.
[06:02] <Fujitsu> Completely screws up Debian tasks. They don't display, and you can't add new ones. Forbidden.
[06:03] <theCore> LaserJock: oh, file a bug
[06:03] <LaserJock> theCore: what?
[06:04] <theCore> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37501/
[06:06] <LaserJock> theCore: and you have a madwifi driver right?
[06:06] <theCore> yep
[06:06] <LaserJock> well, there's not much sense in filing a bug, the 2 apps involved are both non-free
[06:06] <theCore> True...
[06:08] <theCore> ok....
[06:09] <theCore> that is weird
[06:09] <theCore> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37502/
[06:10] <rmjb> LaserJock: you're using vmware server I assume?
[06:10] <theCore> I can't purge vmware 
[06:11] <rmjb> when you run sudo /etc/init.d/vmware status does it say that the NAT is running?
[06:12] <rmjb> theCore: try the free server, it's more flexible in that you don't have to hack together you vmx file
[06:13] <rmjb> s/you vmx/your vmx/
[06:13] <theCore> rmjb: well, I just want to remove vmware
[06:13] <LaserJock> you need to remove the prerm script
[06:14] <LaserJock> rmjb: server doesn't work
[06:15] <LaserJock> theCore: do you know wher the prerm script  is?
[06:15] <theCore> LaserJock: yes
[06:15] <theCore> LaserJock: thanks, it worked
[06:15] <rmjb> LaserJock: I have a clean Edgy and Feisty that I snapshot after each update running in vmware server
[06:16] <rmjb> they're handy for testing package installation
[06:16] <LaserJock> rmjb: yeah, I was sort of wanting to doing that sort of thing
[06:17] <rmjb> what issues you get with the installation?
[06:17] <LaserJock> as I said, I have no network with vmware
[06:18] <rmjb> what does sudo /etc/init.d/vmware status say?
[06:18] <LaserJock> it's OK I think
[06:18] <LaserJock> I got rid of it
[06:18] <LaserJock> so I can't check it for sure
[06:18] <rmjb> okay then...
[06:19] <LaserJock> I wish  it had worked  though
[06:19] <rmjb> if you're up for it you should give it another go... the snapshotting really makes it worthwhile
[06:19] <rmjb> allows you to really screw up your installation, then revert at the click of a button
[06:20] <LaserJock> well, I spentt all day trying to get it to work
[06:20] <rmjb> I can see how that would be frustrating
[06:20] <rmjb> wish I documented my installation steps...
[06:20] <LaserJock> it took me forever just to get it innstalled
[06:21] <LaserJock> and I don't thnk it installed properly even
[06:21] <theCore> rmjb: are you using madwifi, too?
[06:21] <rmjb> no, only a wired nic
[06:22] <rmjb> afaik only the bridging should be affected by the nic you use, because you have to bridge to a specific nic or let vmware automagically choose the correct one
[06:23] <LaserJock> well, perhaps I can try NAT again
[06:23] <rmjb> the NAT and Host only are handled by the vmware services, and in the case of the NAT get network connections like any other app on your system
[06:26] <LaserJock> all right, I'm installing vmware again
[06:26] <rmjb> either of you have a new AMD or Intel chip? If so Xen might be good for you... I don't know about the management tools though
[06:26] <LaserJock> nah, this is an old celeron
[06:27] <rmjb> want to get an AM2 AMD for my file server... to put an asterix xen on it :)
[06:32] <bddebian> Crap, bashisms in unison :(
[06:33] <rmjb> patch to change /bin/sh to /bin/bash ?
[06:33] <LaserJock> for some reason the installation doesn't remove /etc/vmware/not_installed
[06:34] <rmjb> LaserJock: I got that too when I removed player and tried server
[06:34] <rmjb> move /etc/vmware to /etc/vmwareold
[06:35] <LaserJock> ok, booting up an image
[06:36] <rmjb> the status of the vmware service says NAT's running?
[06:36] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:37] <bddebian> Gah, these merges are a joke :-(
[06:38] <LaserJock> ok, so now how do I get networking up
[06:38] <rmjb> I'm passing on some merges I don't know how to handle... I guess I should learn how to handle them tough
[06:38] <bddebian> Like what?
[06:39] <rmjb> bddebian: like coolmain
[06:39] <rmjb> bddebian: like coolmail
[06:39] <LaserJock> just pick the hardest one you can find
[06:39] <bddebian> heh
[06:39] <LaserJock> and then you'll feel better when you get it
[06:39] <rmjb> LaserJock: networking in VM -> Settings is set to NAT?
[06:40] <bddebian> rmjb: It wasn't fixed in Debian?
[06:40] <LaserJock> rmjb: yeah
[06:40] <rmjb> bddebian: the REPORT said to analyse the resultant .patch... but I dunno what I was looking at
[06:41] <bddebian> Oh I don't use the reports, OK :-)
[06:41] <rmjb> LaserJock: I'm switching one of my VMs to NAT
[06:41] <rmjb> LaserJock: it's edgy you're booting?
[06:41] <LaserJock> edgy server
[06:42] <LaserJock> so cli
[06:42] <theCore> rmjb: I got an AM2 AMD 
[06:42] <theCore> rmjb: if you want one, wait
[06:42] <theCore> rmjb: the AM2 motherboard are quite buggy right now
[06:43] <theCore> er, motherboards*
[06:43] <rmjb> theCore: thanks for the tip... will probably check again in 4 months then
[06:43] <rmjb> LaserJock: it detected the nic? you have eth0?
[06:43] <LaserJock> no
[06:43] <LaserJock> no eth0
[06:44] <theCore> incidentally, that is the reason why I ended up with 2GB of on my system :)
[06:44] <LaserJock> well, dmesg shows an eth0
[06:44] <LaserJock> but I can't bring it up
[06:46] <rmjb> what messages you get when you do `ifup eth0 `?
[06:47] <LaserJock> eth0: ERROR  while getting interface flags: No such services
[06:47] <LaserJock> s/services/device
[06:48] <rmjb> where'd you get the vm? installed it in vmware or download?
[06:48] <LaserJock> download
[06:48] <rmjb> if there's nothing specific you need in the vm, might be better to install a fresh edgy server
[06:49] <rmjb> you can test if the nat works by just setting the virtual cdrom to use any *ubuntu desktop iso and booting to is and trying a ping
[06:50] <rmjb> s/to is/to it/
[06:50] <rmjb> you can keep the vm, just reinstall the OS on it
[06:55] <imbrandon> re
[06:55] <nixternal> ro
[06:56] <LaserJock> ru
[06:58] <bddebian> GNight gang
[07:00] <rmjb> LaserJock: if it all works out for you one handy tip I learned recently is to share your main machine's /var/cache/apt/archives/ directory over nfs and mount it in the vm, that way you don't have to download the same updates twice
[07:19] <rmjb> jmantha: the vmware is working out for you?
[07:20] <jmantha> well
[07:20] <jmantha> it killed my machine
[07:21] <rmjb> :o
[07:21] <jmantha> but I think that might have been my problem
[07:21] <jmantha> ran out of ram
[07:21] <rmjb> oh... yeah, for some reason even if you allocate it a certain amount of ram is uses a little more
[07:22] <rmjb> overhead I guess
[07:25] <jmantha> well, I'm not sure why it did that
[07:26] <jmantha> I have 512MB or ram
[07:26] <jmantha> and gave it 160MB
[07:26] <rmjb> you were reinstalling server? or running the downloaded vm? or using a desktop cd?
[07:27] <jmantha> installing server
[07:27] <rmjb> the desktop cds reall crawl on anything less than 256... I know, I've tried
[07:28] <rmjb> s/reall/really/
[07:30] <rmjb> you said it was an old celeron, if you have a beefier machine you can create the vm there and move it to the celeron when you're done with it... just be sure to set the networking to NAT there too
[07:37] <jmantha> well, it's the fastest machine I've got :-)
[07:38] <rmjb> :P
[07:40] <Fujitsu> *bug
[07:40] <jmantha> my desktop is a AMD 1800+
[07:41] <Fujitsu> Yet, `Hard to distinguish current context without colored background' is critical... Iiiiinteresting.
[07:41] <rmjb> not critical for the colour blind
[07:43] <Fujitsu> I don't really see how the minor UI regression gets cherry-picking, while the work-preventing, major feature regression doesn't... :S
[07:47] <nixternal> jmantha: your machine is more than powerful enough to run it
[07:48] <nixternal> i have an xp2000+ with 1.25gb of ram, and i can run multiple vms at once
[07:48] <nixternal> man..i wish there was some good ubuntu/kubuntu t-shirts...i refuse to buy from cafepress ever again
[07:49] <imbrandon> nixternal: talk to Ridd*ell 
[07:49] <nixternal> does he have them in BIG man sizes :)
[07:49] <imbrandon> dunno
[07:50] <imbrandon> probably
[07:50] <nixternal> i will paypal for a good shirt right now
[07:50] <Fujitsu> nixternal: What's wrong with Cafepress?
[07:50] <nixternal> Fujitsu: 3 washes and the logo was half gone
[07:50] <imbrandon> Fujitsu: they are crappy quality
[07:50] <Fujitsu> Impressive.
[07:50] <nixternal> they use inkjet printer to shirt it seems like..those cheap transfers you can get for a printer
[07:50] <Fujitsu> Like Launchpad people's importance assignment
[07:51] <nixternal> haha
[07:51] <Fujitsu> And testing.
[07:51] <Fujitsu> This new release management stuff has brought along so much brokenness it's really not funny.
[07:51] <nixternal> all my geek shirts are dead..not wearable anymore
[07:51] <nixternal> i have one that says "My other computer is your Windows box" and thats it
[07:51] <rmjb> are all the ubuntu sites slow right now?
[07:52] <elkbuntu> hehe. apparantly im getting a polo from the venezuela team for 'helping'
[07:52] <elkbuntu> so that will take my geek shirt total to... 2
[07:52] <Fujitsu> It's done some ooooodd stuff... Bug #43150 used to have 4 tasks; it now only has 3. 2 of the remaining ones have decided that they want to be indented, and not have a package shown... How sane.
[07:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43150 in wxmaxima "[SRU]  maxima frontends fail to connect" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43150
[07:53] <imbrandon> heh
[07:56] <rmjb> g'night guys and gals
[07:57] <imbrandon> l8tr
[07:57] <Fujitsu> Bye rmjb.
[07:57] <jmantha> rmjb: it works!
[07:57] <rmjb> :)
[07:57] <imbrandon> heh
[07:57] <imbrandon> ele 80 rocks
[07:57] <nixternal> Ego
[07:57] <imbrandon> element*
[07:57] <nixternal> woo
[07:58] <imbrandon> slingblade
[07:58] <imbrandon> ^^ ftw
[07:58] <jmantha> Fujitsu: just give in, sign the NDA, and fix it
[07:59] <jmantha> oh crap, LP is down again ;-)
[08:00] <nixternal> what LP is crap?
[08:00] <Admiral_Studying> that was a terrible defense
[08:01] <Fujitsu> I was going to install Feisty to replace my Sid installation this evening (the ISO finished downloading 15 minutes ago, and backups were almost done), but I think I shall remain with Sid. Ubuntu has high quality infrastructure.
[08:01] <imbrandon> Zoppy Plone
[08:02] <jmantha> nooo not ... the ... Zooooopy Plone!
[08:02] <imbrandon> heh
[08:02] <imbrandon> immantha
[08:02] <imbrandon> :)
[08:03] <nixternal> imjordan
[08:03] <imbrandon> ahh right
[08:03] <nixternal> although the immantha has a nicer ring
[08:03] <imbrandon> my bad
[08:03] <Fujitsu> Hahah
[08:03] <nixternal> heh
[08:04] <imlaser> but that sound too much like:
[08:04] <imniKsternal> hahahaha
[08:04] <imniKsternal> imloser
[08:04] <imniKsternal> i gotta wait, im on some big chans that will ban me for nick spamming
[08:04] <imniKsternal> lol
[08:05] <Fujitsu> Anybody know of any distros with a dev. community/style like Ubuntu, but without the LP?
[08:06] <imbrandon> heh
[08:06] <imbrandon> no
[08:06] <Fujitsu> Fsck.
[08:06] <Ash-Fox> Linkin Park in Ubuntu... I thought that was only allowed on Livejournal posts.
[08:07] <jmantha> Fujitsu: LP would stop you from using Ubuntu?
[08:07] <jmantha> it's not great but that's a little much
[08:07] <imbrandon> jmantha: developing it probably
[08:07] <Fujitsu> jmantha: Developing Ubuntu, more probably.
[08:07] <jmantha> I wonder how openSuse is
[08:07] <Ash-Fox> jmantha, it has a nice bootloader on the CD...
[08:08] <jmantha> well, development community, etc.
[08:08] <imbrandon> it sucks imho, its tooooo novel developer centric ( how debian views ubuntu as canonical in ubuntu only true )
[08:08] <jmantha> I installed it the other day
[08:08] <jmantha> it was verrry slick looking
[08:08] <Ash-Fox> http://ash-fox.theden.ws/temp/opensuse-netboot
[08:08] <imbrandon> yea its slick working and looking, but i hate rpm package management hell
[08:09] <imbrandon> if i could use suse type os with apt ( and not apt-rpm ) with true repos i would be in heven
[08:09] <jmantha> the little I used theirs it was pretty good
[08:09] <imbrandon> yum is just plain bad
[08:09] <jmantha> yeah
[08:09] <imbrandon> thats the MAIN reason i came from suse to ubuntu
[08:10] <imbrandon> is package management
[08:10] <jmantha> what?
[08:10] <jmantha> fedora uses yum
[08:10] <jmantha> I didn't think suse did too
[08:10] <imbrandon> yast / you in suse
[08:10] <imbrandon> yast update manager and yast
[08:10] <imbrandon> err yast online update == you
[08:10] <imbrandon> anyhow they both suck
[08:10] <jmantha> oh nifty, I like the new LP tasks thing with indenting tasks
[08:11] <imbrandon> jmantha: haha thats what Fujitsu was just complaining about
[08:11] <jmantha> I know
[08:11] <Fujitsu> jmantha: Have you seen bug #43150? It's been destroyed by that... Like, where'd the package names go?
[08:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43150 in wxmaxima "[SRU]  maxima frontends fail to connect" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43150
[08:12] <jmantha> Fujitsu: weird, check out #75021
[08:13] <Fujitsu> That makes more sense.
[08:14] <Fujitsu> I also wonder where that other task in #43150 ran away too... We can't delete tasks, yet LP will make them vanish at will?
[08:16] <jmantha> it's LP, it can do whatever it wants
[08:16] <jmantha> all we can do is sacrifice all the beer to LP admins and pray it works
[08:18] <joejaxx> well i am happy
[08:18] <joejaxx> i just got my laptop almost back to where my security on it was when i had windows on it
[08:18] <Fujitsu> joejaxx: That's rather silly of you.
[08:18] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: ? lol
[08:19] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: i have the biometric system working on my thinkpad
[08:22] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: everytime something needs authentication for example sudo it asks for my fingerprint
[08:22] <jmantha> geeze
[08:22] <jmantha> that's gotta be annoying
[08:22] <joejaxx> nope :)
[08:24] <joejaxx> now i have to get the hard drive active protection working
[08:26] <imbrandon> does no good when i rip your hdd out and copy the data off when the lappy is stolen :)
[08:26] <imbrandon> encryption ftw
[08:26] <joejaxx> imbrandon: aes loop sorry
[08:27] <elkbuntu> meh, just hack off his finger
[08:27] <imbrandon> for? the / ? np i doubt you rembered swap 
[08:27] <joejaxx> imbrandon: :P
[08:28] <joejaxx> elkbuntu: well if you hack off my finger
[08:28] <joejaxx> you only get past one level of security
[08:28] <joejaxx> :P
[08:28] <imbrandon> elkbuntu: just photocopy it, those laptop io checks can be fooled with a photocopy of a fingerprint 
[08:28] <imbrandon> :)
[08:28] <imbrandon> s/io/bio
[08:28] <joejaxx> lol
[08:29] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, but but but.. then i dont get to draw blood
[08:30] <jmantha> and slowly backs away from AU
[08:30] <joejaxx> LOL!
[08:30] <imbrandon>  wow a computer chick with a angle grinder , thats scarry
[08:30] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, dude, i can weld
[08:30] <imbrandon> brb
[08:31] <elkbuntu> o.O
[08:42] <jmantha> elkbuntu: I can weld too but it's usually a bad thing if I do
[08:42] <elkbuntu> jmantha, heh.. me driving a tractor... now THAT's a bad thing!
[08:42] <jmantha> usually involving my lasers creating a super high temp plasma out of air
[08:43] <elkbuntu> rofl
[08:44] <jmantha> yeah, I can focus my laser down to a spot so small it literally obliterates the dust in the air and air itself
[08:44] <imbrandon> wow
[08:45] <imbrandon> zomg zomg
[08:45] <imbrandon> UO again!
[08:54] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: UO?
[08:55] <imbrandon> ultima online, a game i was adicted to for like 5 years, i even help found the server emulator for it
[08:55] <imbrandon> there is a new game "darkfal" that is made to be an updated UO by some of the ex UO developers
[08:56] <Burgundavia> ah, right, that
[08:56] <imbrandon> darkfall*
[08:57] <ajmitch> evening
[08:57] <ajmitch> imbrandon: back away from it slowly
[08:58] <imbrandon> heh
[08:58] <imbrandon> ajmitch: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=28875&page=2
[09:01] <imbrandon> ajmitch: how hard is it to admin an edgy box from AD ?
[09:01] <imbrandon> and authenticate etc
[09:01] <imbrandon> i'm trying to convince the uppers here to let me have a ubuntu workstaion ( and maybe 2 or 3 more for thoer people ) but it must mix well with our current AD
[09:02] <imbrandon> i was thinking about setting it up tonight and trying it out
[09:02] <ajmitch> admin a box from AD?
[09:02] <ajmitch> how do you propose to do that?
[09:03] <imbrandon> well that was what i was getting at, how much can i intergrate a ubuntu box into a AD domain
[09:03] <imbrandon> that you know of
[09:03] <ajmitch> there are no management tools for it
[09:03] <imbrandon> wow
[09:03] <imbrandon> none?
[09:03] <ajmitch> well obviously
[09:03] <imbrandon> supper
[09:03] <ajmitch> how would AD control an ubuntu box?
[09:03] <imbrandon> no idea, i figured there would be some samba magic somehow'
[09:04] <ajmitch> heh
[09:04] <ajmitch> this is above the samba level
[09:04] <imbrandon> it can control non winfdows apps with snapins
[09:04] <imbrandon> etc
[09:04] <ajmitch> we're talking desktop stuff
[09:04] <ajmitch> & various other distro-specific things
[09:04] <imbrandon> hum
[09:04] <imbrandon> that bites
[09:04] <ajmitch> of course
[09:04] <ajmitch> so get hacking
[09:05] <imbrandon> hahah i probably will somewhat BUT that dosent help me now
[09:05] <imbrandon> :)
[09:05] <ajmitch> management of many systems is where this is lacking
[09:05] <ajmitch> I believe canonical is doing something secret with landscape, but I don't knpw
[09:05] <imbrandon> well i have 20 workstations atm i "could" convert if i could have them managed somwhat
[09:05] <imbrandon> plus more if that worked out well et c
[09:06] <imbrandon> but the main thing is i want _mine_ 
[09:06] <imbrandon> :)
[09:07] <jmantha> what are you running now?
[09:07] <imbrandon> plus little things like rdp clients not being able to drag/drop files to the desktop etc makes them annoyed
[09:08] <imbrandon> jmantha: Vista Ultimate on most of them ( just converted from XP pro about 3 weeks ago )
[09:08] <imbrandon> and 2k3 on the non ubuntu servers
[09:08] <imbrandon> with a few left over centos boxes ( eventualy that will be migrated to ubuntu )
[09:09] <imbrandon> but the funny thing is we /should/ be running dapper but we have almost all edgy because the perc5 raid controlers in the dell 2950 ( our staple servers ) dosent work in the dapper kernels ootb
[09:10] <jmantha> Vista Ultimate?
[09:10] <imbrandon> sooooo its fun fun fun :)
[09:10] <imbrandon> yea
[09:10] <imbrandon> e.g the one the public can have in 30 days
[09:11] <imbrandon> but corp customers ( VLK ) and RTM OEM people get it now ( since nov 30 )
[09:19] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!
[09:19] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch 
[09:24] <Simon80> imbrandon: tried googling for Linux+activedirectory?
[09:25] <jmantha> wahoo, got a Main SRU ready for review
[10:02] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: there is a russian company with a AD gconf backend, but I have seen nothing similar for KDE
[10:03] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: at this point i would be happy to get ubuntu and gnome
[10:03] <imbrandon> :)
[10:04] <Burgundavia> basically, there are two pieces: authentication and configuration
[10:04] <Burgundavia> the former is being worked on, with the new samba
[10:04] <Burgundavia> the latter is far more difficult
[10:04] <imbrandon> right i dident think auth would be that much of a problem 
[10:04] <Burgundavia> thing is, nobody is working on free tools for this yet
[10:04] <imbrandon> with winbind etc
[10:04] <imbrandon> true
[10:05] <Burgundavia> problem is, we don't really have a good backend sorted yet
[10:05] <Burgundavia> openldap and FDS aren't really there
[10:06] <Burgundavia> however, things look to be changing
[10:06] <Burgundavia> Novell has a team of 5 working on GNOME configuration stuff
[10:06] <imbrandon> thats scarry
[10:07] <ajmitch> yep
[10:07] <ajmitch> there's certainly a lot of work to do
[10:07] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:08] <ajmitch> makes you realise how much ubuntu sucks
[10:08] <Burgundavia> and having about 9 different backends doesn't make it easier
[10:08] <Burgundavia> gconf and kconfig need to be unified
[10:08] <Burgundavia> http://live.gnome.org/Glockenspiel
[10:08] <imbrandon> yea for now i just want it to work with a true win2k3 server
[10:09] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: i dont think it would ever happen as much as i would like to see it, there are so many fundimental diffrences
[10:09] <Burgundavia> the problem I see with the whole gconf vs kconfig this is that all the replacements try and overreach
[10:09] <imbrandon> right
[10:09] <Burgundavia> sad part is that KDE4 would be a perfect time for this sort of change
[10:10] <imbrandon> what needs to happen is not merge kconfig and gconf, you will never get them to be happy with one type thing, what nees to happen is a layer beneith that and gconf and kconfig both use that layter
[10:10] <Burgundavia> that is utter and total crack
[10:10] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: sure if you look at it like kde needs to change for gnome
[10:10] <Burgundavia> not at all
[10:10] <Burgundavia> merely saying that KDE 4 is an architecture break point
[10:11] <Burgundavia> if GNOME was going through the same, I woudl say the same thing
[10:11] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: kde and gnome are fundimentaly diffrent and could never use one interface for the same job
[10:11] <imbrandon> backends yet
[10:11] <imbrandon> err yes
[10:11] <Burgundavia> this is storing data in a similar manner
[10:12] <Burgundavia> not exactly rocket science and not so fundamentally different as to require two completely approaches
[10:12] <imbrandon> right but who's data do you rely on gnome or kde's? e.g. why i said a layer below this
[10:12] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: yes they are
[10:12] <Burgundavia> nah, you need to lock the right people in a room until they agree on something
[10:12] <imbrandon> alot of people dont realize just how diffrent idealy gnome and kde are, they lump them in the "free desktops" category
[10:12] <Burgundavia> freedesktop has shown that it can happen, it just requires the right people starting the right dialogues
[10:13] <imbrandon> no see thats where your totaly off base, SOME things can, not everything
[10:13] <Burgundavia> I fundamentally disagree
[10:15] <Burgundavia> have you ever looked at the difference between kconfig and gconf xml? the differences are trivial
[10:16] <Burgundavia> the other part is how you deal with layered settings
[10:16] <Burgundavia> and then you need a API for changed/adding/etc keys
[10:17] <imbrandon> whoa now wait are you talking bank end , eg layer down below or are you talking kconfig, and no they are still very very diffrent in the way they are used, kconfig for the most part modifies per app config, gconf uses more of a windows registry thing, and its moot either way kconfig is axed for systemsettings in kde4
[10:18] <jsgotangco> good evening
[10:18] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: right, I am talking the backend
[10:18] <imbrandon> ok yea thats what i said, a layer down below i could see
[10:18] <Burgundavia> the nitty-gritty bits that an LDAP backend would care about
[10:19] <imbrandon> but not the tools them selfs or they way they work 
[10:19] <imbrandon> right
[10:19] <Burgundavia> nah, that is up to the desktop
[10:19] <imbrandon> ok ok
[10:19] <Burgundavia> or the webbased frontend, etc.
[10:19] <imbrandon> yea we misunderstood eachother then
[10:19] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:19] <imbrandon> ok
[10:19] <imbrandon> heya jsgotangco 
[10:19] <Burgundavia> right, kconfig has about 3 or 4 meanings
[10:19] <Burgundavia> because it also refers to the kernel stuff
[10:19] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:20] <imbrandon> yea
[10:20] <imbrandon> ugh phone brb
[10:20] <Burgundavia> that is why I said KDE 4 would be a great time to have this discussion
[10:24] <imbrandon> yea
[10:24] <imbrandon> WOW
[10:25] <imbrandon> i just noticed we have part of a MS site hosted here too 
[10:25] <imbrandon> heh
[10:25] <jsgotangco> huh
[10:25] <Burgundavia> where is "here"?
[10:25] <imbrandon> jsgotangco: i work in a NOC 
[10:25] <jsgotangco> ohhhh
[10:25] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: the NOC i work in in KC ( gsihosting.com )
[10:26] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:26] <imbrandon> we do a managed hosting and colo for a few big names like walmart.com and visa.com and sprint.com 
[10:26] <imbrandon> but i never knew i guess part of MS web too
[10:26] <jsgotangco> that's itneresting
[10:26] <imbrandon> just a small part
[10:27] <jsgotangco> brb
[10:27] <imbrandon> i'm trying to find out exactly WHAT small part now
[10:27] <imbrandon> heh and what boxes out on the DC floor its on
[10:28] <Burgundavia> has anybody played with ebox yet?
[10:28] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Want some nuclear weapons to take them out?
[10:28] <elkbuntu> how much do you like your job, imbrandon? >:)
[10:28] <Burgundavia> I like what I see, but I wondered how it acts in real life
[10:28] <Fujitsu> I was saving them for LP, but I think MS is a better cause.
[10:28] <imbrandon> haha Burgundavia i have it loaded on a laptop next to me right this very second
[10:28] <Burgundavia> and?
[10:29] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: thats the company i almost went to work for in spain perl programing
[10:29] <imbrandon> it looks solid
[10:29] <imbrandon> i havent got to play with it a whole lot
[10:29] <imbrandon> they gave me some demo cd's at UDS
[10:29] <imbrandon> to try out
[10:29] <Burgundavia> Userful is looking to migrate off our custom hacked tcl control app
[10:29] <Burgundavia> http://np.userful.ca/ <-- this beast
[10:30] <imbrandon> yea think of it like webmin done correctly on steiroids
[10:30] <imbrandon> ahh
[10:30] <imbrandon> nice
[10:32] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: you know that security update server we talked about? figure ebox might make a good platform for it. Too bad it is written in perl, however
[10:32] <imbrandon> you no like perl ? heh
[10:32] <imbrandon> brb smoke break
[10:32] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: just that python has more mindshare right now
[10:33] <imbrandon> true
[10:33] <imbrandon> i still love my perl, guess its because i know it better than python
[10:33] <Burgundavia> and within the ubuntu community, there are probably more python than perl people
[10:33] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: you know 4 of the ebox founders/employyees/developers are DD's and 3 are Ubuntu Dev's
[10:33] <imbrandon> :)
[10:34] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:34] <imbrandon> 2 were at UDS and one posts on planet quite a bit
[10:34] <imbrandon> anyhow smoke break back in a sec
[10:56] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: can you give me web access to play with that ebox install?
[10:58] <imbrandon> hrm its on a the corp intranet on my lappy right now, but i can try to get it going on voyager real fast and give you access
[10:58] <imbrandon> one sec
[10:58] <Burgundavia> rock
[10:59] <Burgundavia> I was a little gunshy of the whole "rewrite bits of your networking" stuff
[10:59] <Burgundavia> seeing as it and NM are probably not going to play nice together
[10:59] <imbrandon> they should have a livecd
[10:59] <imbrandon> hehe probably not
[10:59] <Burgundavia> they do, the link is dead
[10:59] <imbrandon> ahhh ok, i'm working from one i got at UDS , anyhow one sec
[10:59] <imbrandon> lemme try to install it on voyager
[11:00] <Burgundavia> voyager one of your test boxen?
[11:02] <gnomefreak> is libexiv2-0.10 important at all?
[11:02] <imbrandon> yea its a personal colo test box
[11:02] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: ^
[11:02] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:12] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: its installing now in a new sandbox
[11:12] <imbrandon> it will be about ~20 minutes 
[11:12] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[11:13] <Burgundavia> isn't it insanely early in the morning htere?
[11:13] <imbrandon> 4am
[11:13] <imbrandon> i have the 12 to 12 today ( then i'm off for the next 3 days )
[11:13] <imbrandon> 12am ( midnight ) to 12pm ( noon )
[11:16] <ajmitch> 12 till 12 again
[11:16] <ajmitch> how many of those have you had lately?
[11:24] <siretart> Riddell: oha. any idea why? - it worked in edgy, and xine wasn't touched yet
[11:26] <ajmitch> hey siretart 
[11:26] <siretart> huhu ajmitch 
[11:28] <Burgundavia> Riddell: you going to look at gstreamer again for feisty?
[11:40] <Admiral_Chicago> there is a tool to grab the files from a .exe, does anyone know the name
[11:41] <Admiral_Chicago> i did an apt-cache search but that didn't point me in the right direction
[11:41] <tsmithe> cabextract
[11:42] <Admiral_Chicago> tsmithe: thanks
[11:42] <tsmithe> :)
[11:42] <tsmithe> np
[11:42] <Admiral_Chicago> arg, wireless is being a beast
[11:43] <Admiral_Chicago> i have 3 people waiting to install ubuntu but they it's laptops 
[11:49] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, i may have got it
[11:51] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: not feisty but feisty+1 when we use phonon
[11:51] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: right, yet another abstraction layer
[11:51] <_DvP_> Is it possible for someone to archive my ubuntu package for gtk-recordymydesktop (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3727) because a real debian package has been archived yesterday in Debian unstable (main) ? Thanks :)
[11:51] <Burgundavia> without solving the real problem
[11:51] <imbrandon> it solves a real kde problem
[11:51] <_DvP_> *uploaded
[11:51] <imbrandon> dunno where your comming from
[11:52] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: audio is a mess, there needs to be a good, single UI
[11:52] <Burgundavia> s/UI/API/
[11:52] <Burgundavia> phonon is yet another desktop specific hack
[11:54] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: please see the desktop architects recent meeting information 
[11:58] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: http://developer.osdl.org/dev/desktop_architects/index.php/Desktop_Architects_Meeting-3
[11:59] <Burgundavia> read the part about "no clear vision from ..."
[11:59] <Q-FUNK> great.  more dirty hacks.
[12:05] <Hobbsee> _DvP_: done
[12:07] <_DvP_> Hobbsee, thank you
[12:08] <_DvP_> I think that I will fill a bug for asking a sync like for the main application (recordmydesktop)..
[12:08] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:08] <Hobbsee> _DvP_: when you do, give us the bug number
[12:08] <_DvP_> Hobbsee, oki
[12:08] <Hobbsee> (so a MOTU can ack it)
[12:18] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: hmm, you still working on that ebox thingy?
[12:18] <imbrandon> yea
[12:18] <imbrandon> wasup?
[12:19] <tsmithe> ebox?
[12:19] <StevenK> Ah, this explains why imbrandon has like 8 xboxs
[12:19] <imbrandon> StevenK: ? only 8 ? hehehe
[12:19] <StevenK> What, you have more than eight?
[12:19] <imbrandon> yea 
[12:20] <tsmithe> ebox?
[12:20] <imbrandon> i'ma hardware whore
[12:20] <imbrandon> tsmithe: xbox-platform.com
[12:20] <imbrandon> err s/xbox/ebox
[12:20] <tsmithe> ah
[12:20] <tsmithe> that one works
[12:20] <tsmithe> :)
[12:21] <tsmithe> what's it got to do with xboxes?
[12:21] <imbrandon> nothing
[12:21] <imbrandon> it was a typo
[12:21] <_DvP_> Hobbsee, bug number for sync are https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/76041 (recordmydesktop) and https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/76115 (gtk-recordmydesktop) :)
[12:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76041 in Ubuntu "[Sync Request]  Sync recordmydesktop (0.3.0r2-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[12:22] <_DvP_> oups :s
[12:24] <Hobbsee> _DvP_: are those in ubuntu *at all*?
[12:24] <Hobbsee> like, in your sources.list?
[12:30] <_DvP_> Hobbsee, I'm sorry but I'm not sure to understand  the question :S (french inside with bad english level :))
[12:31] <Hobbsee> _DvP_: the recordmydesktop and gtk-recordmydesktop - are they in ubuntu currently at all, or just on REVU?
[12:31] <_DvP_> ah ok, sorry
[12:32] <_DvP_> no, I made the first package for both in ubuntu but they were only in REVU
[12:32] <_DvP_> but now, they are "archived"
[12:33] <_DvP_> (I hope you understand)
[12:33] <_DvP_> :)
[12:35] <RzR> Fujitsu: hi
[12:35] <RzR> Fujitsu: are you related to FSC ?
[12:35] <Hobbsee> _DvP_: yep.  on REVU is not the same as in ubuntu
[12:35] <Fujitsu> I've not heard of FSC, so I doubt it.
[12:35] <Hobbsee> hey RzR 
[12:36] <_DvP_> Hobbsee, ok ! Thanks
[12:36] <Hobbsee> _DvP_: you only have to list the changes against what's in the archive
[12:37] <geser> Fujitsu: FSC = Fujitsu Siemens Computer http://www.fujitsu-siemens.com/
[12:38] <RzR> Fujitsu: fujitsu siemens comp
[12:38] <Fujitsu> Aha, no.
[12:40] <Hobbsee> _DvP_: done
[12:42] <_DvP_> Hobbsee, thank you :)
[12:43] <Hobbsee> _DvP_: not a problem.  REVU stuff isnt in the archive, so you dont have to list the changes - ie, we're not merging between the version on REVU and the version in debian
[12:45] <_DvP_> Hobbsee, Ok, understood for next time ^^
[12:45] <Hobbsee> _DvP_: cool :)
[01:17] <geser> do one need special rights to add a bugwatch nowadays? or I'm doing something wrong?
[01:23] <geser> Hobbsee: do you know if one needs special rights to add a bugwatch nowadays?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> geser: shouldnt do
[01:25] <Fujitsu> geser, that's bug... I forget what it is. One of the High priority ones in Malone, reported earlier today.
[01:25] <geser> ah
[01:25] <Fujitsu> Another regression with the new release management stuff, it looks like.
[01:38] <cypherbios> Hobbsee: can you continue reviewing my uploaded package, and leave more comments on REVU, please?
[01:38] <cypherbios> Hobbsee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3748
[01:39] <Hobbsee> cypherbios: i'm going afk soonish
[01:39] <cypherbios> oh, np
[01:48] <_DvP_> Is there any equivalent of the debian's popularity contest statistics for ubuntu ?
[01:48] <Hobbsee> popcon?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> it's not turned on by default
[01:49] <Hobbsee> popularity-contest
[02:32] <vil> Q: Why didn't you choose a license like BSD or Apache v2? A: Sun had several objectives in mind in choosing the license for the JDK source code. We wanted to:   Minimize the likelihood of incompatible forks. Drive more adoption. Engage a broad cross-section of the open-source communities. Protect and enhance the investments of those who have licensed and chosen to support the Java platform.   After extensive analysis and consultation with experts bot
[02:47] <vil> sorry for the previous post, wrong window
[02:49] <crimsun_> hmm, it seems sarah has the only registered e-mail address for u-u-s
[02:49] <imbrandon> ?
[02:49] <imbrandon> i thought i got email about it before
[02:49] <imbrandon> afaik
[02:50] <crimsun_> you did before it was switched over
[02:50] <imbrandon> switched over ?
[02:51] <crimsun_> imbrandon: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-December/001047.html
[02:52] <crimsun_> I just happened to notice a rash of bugs to which u-u-s is subscribed, but there's no e-mail getting farmed out
[02:52] <crimsun_> e.g., the update-inetd ones
[02:52] <crimsun_> mostly lionel's work
[02:52] <imbrandon> hrm 
[02:53] <imbrandon> i thought the poiunt of the group was so we could get the emails about them
[02:53] <crimsun_> right, but they were spamming ubuntu-dev as I recall
[02:53] <imbrandon> i'm kinda mifed that one person can be against it and poof its gone, i *did* like getting email about all packages
[02:53] <imbrandon> ahhh
[02:53] <imbrandon> hrm
[02:54] <imbrandon> i guess i'm just a bit confused hehe
[02:54] <crimsun_> ajmitch: please add my e-mail address (on LP) as a contact for ubuntu-universe-sponsors, please
[02:54] <imbrandon> so can i sign back up or flip a switch to say yes i DO want the mails ?
[02:54] <crimsun_> imbrandon: you're still signed up, but I can't locate a button to click to reenable the e-mails
[02:55] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[02:55] <crimsun_> afaics, one has to ask the owner/administrator to add one's e-mail to the bug contact
[02:55] <imbrandon> then i guess ajmitch please dito crimsun_ request for me also :)
[02:56] <geser> wouldn't be a mailing list better?
[02:56] <crimsun_> geser: yes
[02:56] <imbrandon> thanks for pointing that out, no telling how long i would have gone and not noticed
[02:56] <crimsun_> I'm thinking we should use tiber similar to how MOTUMedia does
[02:57] <imbrandon> true
[02:57] <imbrandon> that might work out well
[03:03] <crimsun_> I should just track lionel's bug reporting according to https://bugs.launchpad.net/people/lionel-porcheron/+reportedbugs
[03:03] <crimsun_> if someone else wants to jump in and process them, please feel free
[03:11] <geser> crimsun_: after I've uploaded his last debdiffs I will also upload the remaining ones
[03:11] <crimsun_> geser: great, thanks
[03:29] <sistpoty> hi folks
[03:30] <imbrandon> lo
[03:40] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:40] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[03:40] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[03:40] <bddebian> Am I close yet? :)
[03:42] <sistpoty> bddebian: I gave you +1 already ;)
[03:42] <bddebian> w00t, thanks man
[03:42] <sistpoty> np ;)
[03:48] <Adri2000> hi sistpoty, I uploaded the lib on revu: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3799
[03:49] <sistpoty> Adri2000: I'll take a look at it
[03:49] <Adri2000> thanks
[03:53] <sistpoty> Adri2000: just a small point so far: your short description is pretty much useless. You can figure from the package name that it's 1) a library 2) for djconsole. You cannot figure what exactly this is useful for (e.g. access to MK1/MK2)
[03:53] <sistpoty> Adri2000: so better put s.th. like this in the short description instead of "repeating" the package name
[03:57] <Adri2000> "Hercules DJ Console MK I and MK II access library" ?
[03:59] <sistpoty> Adri2000: for example
[03:59] <sistpoty> Adri2000: maybe you could also make the long description a little bit more verbose
[04:01] <sistpoty> Adri2000: lol, lintian is a spellchecker nowadays as well *g*: E: libdjconsole-dev: spelling-error-in-description developement development
[04:02] <Adri2000> ehehe, must be a common mistake :p
[04:02] <sistpoty> seems so
[04:02] <sistpoty> Adri2000: also you need to call dh_makeshlibs (before dh_installdeb). otherwise you won't get a shlibs file for the library
[04:03] <Adri2000> sistpoty: the shlibs file, isn't it shlibs.local?
[04:04] <sistpoty> Adri2000: nope... the shlibs file that gets installed in the package
[04:05] <sistpoty> Adri2000: shlibs.local is useful, if you want have a library, that doesn't ship a shlibs file in the package (though it *should*)
[04:05] <sistpoty> -want
[04:06] <sistpoty> Adri2000: or if you want to build a binary package from the same source-package as well. But for this there are better ways to do it
[04:06] <Adri2000> ok, I was confused with these two files
[04:07] <sistpoty> Adri2000: what you'll need is a shlibs file. And since it's more error prone to write it yourself, use dh_makeshlibs to create one
[04:10] <sistpoty> Adri2000: another point: it would make sense to split out the data files to a -data package (or, since these are very few, have them somehow reside in a directory correlating to the package name)
[04:11] <sistpoty> Adri2000: though that's only a requirement for multiarch (e.g. if s.o. would create a lib32 package for amd64 from it as well, it couldn't be installed alongside the "normal" library package)
[04:12] <Adri2000> sistpoty: I don't understand, this lib can be built for all architectures I think, so where is the problem?
[04:12] <sistpoty> Adri2000: it's multiarch ;)
[04:13] <sistpoty> Adri2000: on an amd64 system, I can use both 64-bit code (normal) and 32-bit code
[04:13] <sistpoty> Adri2000: normally all packages for amd64 get built for 64-bit code
[04:14] <sistpoty> Adri2000: however some are not 64-bit clean, or not ported yet (e.g. wine, dosemu)
[04:14] <sistpoty> Adri2000: also some commercial games are 32-bit code (e.g. quake4)
[04:15] <sistpoty> Adri2000: to run such a program, I need to have all dependencies as 32-bit code, because you can't mix these
[04:15] <sistpoty> Adri2000: and that's where multiarch comes in...
[04:15] <sistpoty> Adri2000: this means, you build for amd64 both a normal library package and a library package with 32-bit code (or erm... currently don't build)
[04:16] <sistpoty> Adri2000: or reuse somehow the 32-bit build library
[04:16] <Adri2000> ah, so it's for programs using libdjconsole which can't run on 64bits
[04:17] <sistpoty> Adri2000: yep
[04:18] <sistpoty> Adri2000: the problem now would be, that you cannot create a 32-bit library (that would get a different package name and a different library file location), which you can install *together* with the 64-bit versoin
[04:18] <sistpoty> Adri2000: since there are file conflicts in the package
[04:18] <sistpoty> Adri2000: see?
[04:18] <Adri2000> yeah, because the two packages would want to install the same files in /usr/share/
[04:18] <sistpoty> exactly :)
[04:19] <Adri2000> I understand now :)
[04:19] <sistpoty> I admit, that this particular use-case for this library might be pretty small though, but one never knows ;)
[04:22] <Adri2000> sistpoty: but the buildd don't build two 64bits package? where can one find these 64bits packages compiled with 32bits?
[04:22] <sistpoty> Adri2000: someone would need to create one ;)
[04:22] <sistpoty> Adri2000: but eventually, once upon a nice day, the buildd just *might* do it
[04:23] <sistpoty> (in the far future)
[04:23] <sistpoty> *g*
[04:23] <Adri2000> can you give me an example of such a lib in the archive?
[04:24] <sistpoty> Adri2000: zlib would be an example of how to create both a 64-bit and a 32-bit library from the *same* sourcepackage
[04:25] <sistpoty> Adri2000: ia32-libs-sdl would be an example of 32-bit library packages reused for amd64
[04:28] <Adri2000> sistpoty: ok, is it possible to split out the data files in another package only the day when it is needed? or it's better to do it now?
[04:29] <sistpoty> Adri2000: imo it's better to do it now... but if you prefer, you can also not do it now
[04:31] <sistpoty> doko: do I remember correctly, that you have some wxwidgets knowledge?
[04:31] <Adri2000> sistpoty: I'm going to do it now, libdjconsole-data is ok?
[04:31] <sistpoty> Adri2000: yep
[04:31] <Adri2000> ok
[04:37] <Adri2000> sistpoty: with "Hercules DJ Console MK I and MK II access library" the short description is too long :-/
[04:38] <sistpoty> Adri2000: then shorten it a bit ;)
[04:39] <sistpoty> hehe
[04:55] <Adri2000> sistpoty: libdjconsole0 depends on libdjconsole-data right?
[04:56] <sistpoty> Adri2000: yep
[04:56] <Adri2000> and libdjconsole-data depends on nothing?
[04:56] <sistpoty> Adri2000: exactly
[04:56] <Adri2000> ok
[05:03] <Adri2000> hmm the docs files are out only in one binary package
[05:04] <Adri2000> s/out/put/
[05:04] <sistpoty> Adri2000: the doc files always relate to the package name as it's /usr/share/doc/<package name>/...
[05:04] <sistpoty> so no problem here
[05:05] <Adri2000> they are in libdjconsole-dev but not in libdjconsole0
[05:07] <sistpoty> Adri2000: if these are useful for the library package itself, put it in there (instead of the -dev package). otherwise you can leave it as is imo
[05:08] <Adri2000> I just listed the doc files in debian/docs, I don't choose in which binary package they are installed
[05:10] <sistpoty> Adri2000: then they'll get installed in the first package from debian/control. otherwise you'll need to rename docs to <package>.docs
[05:11] <Adri2000> yep, that's what I thought, I'm rebuilding with libdjconsole0 first in debian/control
[05:19] <Adri2000> sistpoty: uploaded, I will re-upload with a better long description later (I have asked upstream :))
[05:20] <sistpoty> Adri2000: great :)
[05:37] <Adri2000> there is something wrong here: http://merges.ubuntu.com/g/gpa/
[05:37] <Adri2000> the orig.tar.gz is missing
[05:38] <sistpoty> Adri2000: native package
[05:38] <Adri2000> 0.7.0-1.1
[05:39] <Adri2000> with -1.1, it doesn't look like a native package
[05:40] <sistpoty> Adri2000: well, it probably shouldn't be a native package, but it is one (since the dsc doesn't refer to a diff.gz)
[05:40] <sistpoty> Adri2000: maybe the tarball got named wrong for the debian upload or so
[05:41] <Adri2000> yeah, strange...
[05:44] <guibis> is here anyone who know how package with java ?
[05:47] <crimsun_> guibis: vil has some experience with java-related packaging.
[05:48] <guibis> thanks crimsun_ so ping vil :-)
[05:48] <crimsun_> it's courteous to use contentful pings, btw
[05:48] <mr_pouit> Is there any chance to have automatically iceape in feisty ? (it replaces mozilla/seamonkey in debian unstable ; uploaded on December, 1st). Or should I file a sync request
[05:48] <mr_pouit> ?
[05:50] <crimsun_> mr_pouit: it's likely blacklisted.
[05:50] <crimsun_> in which case, no.
[05:50] <mr_pouit> oh, ok ^^
[05:51] <guibis> crimsun_:  do you know the pseudo of vil in people-LP ?
[05:51] <guibis> vil ?
[05:52] <sistpoty> hm... I guess I'll try to build iceweasel again (last build failed for unknown reasons). I just *love* it's icon *g*
[05:52] <sistpoty> s/it's/its/
[05:52] <mr_pouit> :D
[05:59] <crimsun_> Amaranth: #74472 is queued in my list. I'll dig into this week before I leave for HK. I'll hold off sending BenC a patch until it's clear whether Jaroslav (upstream) intends to push again into 2.6.20.
[06:00] <geser> crimsun_: netkit-telnet from Lionel's list is for you to sponsor (bug 76159)
[06:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76159 in netkit-telnet "missing dependency on update-inetd make it uninstallable on feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76159
[06:09] <vil> guibis: pong
[06:09] <guibis> hi vil
[06:10] <guibis> i do a pakage from code-aster (http://revu.dunnewind.net/)
[06:10] <vil> hi guibis, how can i help
[06:11] <Amaranth> crimsun_: alright, thanks
[06:11] <guibis> and i have a problem, because, after my pbuild it is writing, that i lacks .xml
[06:11] <crimsun_> geser: thanks, uploaded
[06:11] <guibis> and in fact it exists
[06:11] <ryanakca> how do I fix this pbuilder + cdbs + qmake-qt4 error? http://dpaste.com/3844/
[06:13] <vil> guibis: which package it is?
[06:13] <ryanakca> I can pastebin the rules file and qmake-qt4.mk
[06:13] <guibis> oh sorry it's open-cascade and not code-aster ...
[06:13] <guibis> scuse vil
[06:15] <vil> let me have a look
[06:17] <guibis> ok thanks
[06:17] <vil> guibis: oops, it will take me a while, because the orig has 30MB
[06:17] <guibis> no problem i can wait :-) like you ? :-D
[06:19] <vil> isn't there another mirror of the orig.tar.gz? it seems to run very slow
[06:23] <vil> guibis: i worry that i won't be able to download that file, whatever i try it stops at 500kB
[06:24] <guibis> ok vil i will to do an another way to upload my package....
[06:25] <guibis> and after i ping you 
[06:29] <guibis> vil in few minutes it will be to revu.tauware ..
[06:30] <vil> ok
[06:40] <tsmithe> _MMA_, i can be looking in here if you want
[06:41] <_MMA_> k
[07:02] <vil> guibis: i'll have it in 5 minutes from the original location, so maybe you can stop at tauware. it got second breathe
[07:03] <guibis> oki vil i stop it ...
[07:30] <vil> guibis: so i tried to buid the package
[07:30] <vil> and failed on build.xml
[07:30] <vil> where should it come from? i did not find it
[07:33] <_Enchained> hi !
[07:33] <_Enchained> can anyone take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3386 ?
[07:38] <guibis> ok vil you have got the same problem as me, i'm rassure on it...
[07:39] <guibis> :-)
[07:40] <vil> the cdbs + ant combination is good, but you need a build.xml, which drives the compilation. it seems to be missing in the original archive
[07:40] <vil> so maybe you will need to provide your own (which would be hell for such large application)
[08:00] <ryanakca> how do I fix this pbuilder + cdbs + qmake-qt4 error? http://dpaste.com/3844/   rules and qmake-qt4.mk = http://dpaste.com/3860/
[08:25] <zorglu_> q. is there a document i could read on the process to include a package in the official ubuntu repositories ?
[08:26] <zorglu_> /join #ubuntu-meeting
[08:28] <Gloubiboulga> zorglu_: you can have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New
[08:28] <zorglu_> thanks
[08:28] <Gloubiboulga> (2nd section)
[08:32] <jmantha> man I love bugs :-)
[08:48] <jmantha> man I love LTS too :/
[08:48] <joejaxx> jmantha: :P
[08:48] <joejaxx> jmantha: my laptop just lost direct rendering :)
[08:48] <jmantha> wahoo
[08:48] <jmantha> :/
[08:48] <jmantha> I got vmware working with NAT
[08:48] <joejaxx> jmantha: glxinfo |grep direct
[08:48] <joejaxx> jmantha: glxinfo |grep directdirect rendering: No
[08:49] <joejaxx> jmantha: nice!
[08:49] <joejaxx> :)
[08:49] <jmantha> I don't even try to get direct rendering
[08:51] <ryanakca> how do I fix this pbuilder + cdbs + qmake-qt4 error? http://dpaste.com/3844/   rules and qmake-qt4.mk = http://dpaste.com/3860/
[08:53] <jmantha> hah
[08:54] <gpocentek> jmantha: I follow your example :)
[08:54] <gpocentek> and cjwatson's, tfheen's...
[08:54] <jmantha> bhale
[08:55] <somerville32> Maybe I should too <g>
[08:55] <somerville32> It appears to be the new cool thing to do
[08:55] <gpocentek> somerville32: well Gloubiboulga is *really* different from my real name
[08:55] <jmantha> well, I like LaserJock better
[08:55] <jmantha> but it *is* hard for people trying to find me on LP (email or something)
[08:56] <gpocentek> jmantha: same for me
[08:56] <ivoks> uh, don't change nicknames :)
[08:56] <jmantha> oh, but it's fun
[08:56] <somerville32> I didn't even know jmantha was LaserJock, haha
[08:58] <jmantha> somerville32: ;-)
[08:58] <ryanakca> somerville32: lol, [14:55]  [Whois]  jmantha is n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock (Jordan Mantha)
[08:58] <ryanakca> :D
[08:59] <ryanakca> somerville32: had we decided on QMAKE ?= or QMAKE =?      ?
[08:59] <ryanakca> ?=, right?
[08:59] <ryanakca> lol
[08:59] <somerville32> If I remember correctly, thats what the individual you were talking to recommended
[08:59] <ryanakca> kk
[09:05] <ajmitch> morning
[09:06] <jmantha> ajmitch!
[09:06] <ryanakca> what's an example qt4 + qmake + cdbs app?
[09:10] <crimsun_> kdefreak: speedcrunch.
[09:10] <kdefreak> crimsun_: thanks :)
[09:10] <crimsun_> note the patches in debian/patches/
[09:11] <kdefreak> ah
[09:12] <kdefreak> lol, I was going to say... "this isn't a qmake app" :)
[09:12] <kdefreak> thanks
[09:13] <kdefreak> crimsun_: hmm... so, would that patch work with any qmake-qt4 app & cdbs?
[09:13] <crimsun_> I didn't dig any deeper
[09:14] <crimsun_> if the diff is still applicable, then yes
[09:15] <kdefreak> ah, kk. how do you find apps that build with qt4/qmake/cdbs? packages.u.c?
[09:16] <crimsun_> I rdep'd libqt4-core
[09:17] <crimsun_> then I check the packages' Build-Deps
[09:17] <crimsun_> iterate
[09:18] <soothsay> I'm trying to package something (for myself) for the first  time. I'm using debhelper. It's a library and seems to  compile cleanly and also seems to install into the correct  directory when using prefix. I run dh_make, edit control and  then run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot. The package appears to  be built cleanly but the .deb is essentially empty (only 
[09:18] <soothsay>  Copyright ntice and changelog). What am I doilng wrong?
[09:18] <soothsay> gen_control gives a warning unknown substitution variable  ${shlibs:Depends}
[09:18] <soothsay> same for ${misc:Depends}
[09:19] <gpocentek> soothsay: could you build the source package (debuild -S -sa) and upload the .orig.tar.gz, the .dsc, and the .diff.gz somewhere ?
[09:19] <crimsun_> it takes more effort than that. Have you read the library packaging guide?  [http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html ] 
[09:20] <soothsay> I read the maintainers guide. Where can I find library packaging guide?
[09:20] <crimsun_> URL given directly above your question.
[09:20] <soothsay> heh
[09:23] <soothsay> gpocentek: Can you recommend a file host?
[09:24] <gpocentek> soothsay: not really
[09:24] <soothsay> Alright, will spend some minutes looking for one
[09:35] <soothsay> gpocentek: http://files-upload.com/files/30899/pigment_0.1.1-1.diff.gz.html
[09:35] <soothsay> http://files-upload.com/files/30898/pigment_0.1.1-1.dsc.html
[09:35] <soothsay> http://files-upload.com/files/30897/pigment_0.1.1.orig.tar.gz.html
[09:37] <kdefreak> rrrrg. Ok, I've figured out the problem. only thing is how to fix it. Problem: building creates obj-i486-linux-gnu, cd's to that directory, runs qmake-qt4 -o Makefile monkey.pro, but can't find monkey.pro, becaus monkey.pro is in the previous directory. If I change the rules to run qmake-qt4 -o Makefile monkey.pro, it then looks for obj-i486-linux-gnu/../../src, when infact, it should be looking for obj-i486-linux-gnu/../src.
[09:38] <kdefreak> http://dpaste.com/3866/
[09:52] <tsmithe> how do i go about making modifications to the .orig (don't ask why: i just need to)? i need to remove a directory, and modify the configure.in and Makefile.in files accordingly; to comply with licencing restrictions
[09:53] <tsmithe> should i just extract the .orig and make modifications?
[09:54] <jmantha> yeah
[09:54] <tsmithe> ok
[09:59] <tsmithe> i removed the directory, and the corresponding entries in the .i files; but the makefile is still thinking they're there!
[10:03] <animimotus> hi
[10:03] <animimotus> does exist a deb for KscannerButtons ? http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=44845
[10:08] <tsmithe> errr...
[10:08] <tsmithe> you could always ask apt-cache
[10:12] <joejaxx> popularity-contest 
[10:12] <joejaxx> does this go out without the users permission?
[10:12] <joejaxx> user's
[10:12] <tsmithe> well if you installed it, then no
[10:13] <tsmithe> but yes
[10:13] <Fujitsu> It will go out if you check the box in Software Sources, or install the package.
[10:13] <joejaxx> Fujitsu: oh ok i just wanted to know
[10:13] <joejaxx> because it is installed by default
[10:16] <animimotus> [22:08]  <tsmithe> you could always ask apt-cache <----- sure I have search it. It seems it is integrated to OpenSuse yet
[10:16] <tsmithe> well... if it's not in ubuntu you could always have a shot at packaging it
[10:16] <proppy> wiki page about debian unstable sync request ?
[10:17] <tsmithe> "!sync" perhaps
[10:17] <tsmithe> !sync
[10:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sync - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:17] <ryanakca> fabo: ping PasNox tells me that you've packaged monkeystudio in the past?
[10:17] <proppy> found
[10:17] <proppy> HowToMerge
[10:18] <animimotus> tsmithe: I'm a standard user
[10:18] <tsmithe> oh
[10:18] <tsmithe> well you could always try
[10:18] <tsmithe> :)
[10:18] <tsmithe> i was too until two weeks ago
[10:18] <tsmithe> when i tried
[10:20] <tsmithe> animimotus, or you could just build from source
[10:23] <ryanakca> animimotus: yeah... ./configure && sudo checkinstall
[10:24] <ryanakca> rrrrg. Ok, I've figured out the problem. only thing is how to fix it. Problem: building creates obj-i486-linux-gnu, cd's to that directory, runs qmake-qt4 -o Makefile monkey.pro, but can't find monkey.pro, becaus monkey.pro is in the previous directory. If I change the rules to run qmake-qt4 -o Makefile monkey.pro, it then looks for obj-i486-linux-gnu/../../src, when infact, it should be looking for obj-i486-linux-gnu/../src.
[10:24] <ryanakca> http://dpaste.com/3866/
[10:25] <proppy> can i ask a sync, for a package that is new in debian unstable, and not yet in ubuntu ?
[10:25] <proppy> or is this another process
[10:26] <tsmithe> merge?
[10:28] <proppy> tsmithe: merging isn't about applying ubuntu specifiq change to an updated debian package ?
[10:28] <tsmithe> err yes
[10:28] <tsmithe> as i said - i'm new
[10:29] <tsmithe> :D
[10:29] <jmantha> well, a merge would actually be appropriate if you needed to make a change for it to go into Ubuntu
[10:29] <jmantha> a sync would be correct if it needed no changes
[10:31] <proppy> jmantha: even if the package is *not* in ubuntu, it's called a sync ?
[10:31] <proppy> cool
[10:32] <proppy> (with no ubuntu changes)
[10:32] <proppy> cool
[10:32] <jmantha> yeah, at least that's my opinion
[10:32] <proppy> thanks
[10:33] <tsmithe> hey jmantha; what happened to being LaserJock?
[10:35] <jmantha> oh, I don't know, it might come back
[10:35] <jmantha> I'm using my other client
[10:36] <sistpoty> jmantha ! *g*
[10:36] <jmantha> stefan!
[10:37] <sistpoty> jmantha: seems like I'm getting used to the new colors :P
[11:01] <Adri2000> chantra: I'm not sure someone will upload such a debdiff (subtitleeditor) ;)
[11:19] <tsmithe> on alsa-firmware-loaders, why is Bugs: set to ubuntu-users@l.u.c?
[11:19] <tsmithe> surely it should be a link to malone?
[11:19] <jmantha> we don't have a way to do that
[11:19] <jmantha> exactly now
[11:20] <jmantha> so currently that's the way it's set, I believe reportbug also sends bugs to ubuntu-users too
[11:20] <tsmithe> but that's crazy!
[11:20] <tsmithe> as people on lists tend to say
[11:20] <tsmithe> lists aren't bug trackers!
[11:20] <jmantha> exactly
[11:21] <tsmithe> as it says mailto:... can't it just be changed to http:...
[11:21] <jmantha> that's why we are working on automatic bug reporting tools
[11:21] <tsmithe> yes
[11:21] <animimotus> someone can help me for this error http://animimotus.pastebin.ca/282847 ?
[11:21] <jmantha> well, I'm not sure exactly the reasoning but I'm pretty sure there is a reason they did that
[11:21] <jmantha> it *was* intentional
[11:22] <tsmithe> i'm sure
[11:22] <tsmithe> animimotus, although i'm alright at french i'm not that good: it seems to think it can't open the repo, right?
[11:22] <tsmithe> perhaps try running apt-get update
[11:22] <jmantha> animimotus: did you run apt-get update?
[11:22] <tsmithe> to regenerate the file
[11:23] <animimotus> I have try yet
[11:23] <animimotus> I have kill adept-notifier too
[11:23] <animimotus> it's not the problem
[11:24] <tsmithe> that file may have bad permissions (i don't see why though)
[11:44] <tsmithe> if i'm modifying a package (in this case, alsa-tools), do i create patches, or just use the magic of the .diff.gz?
[11:45] <Adri2000> tsmithe: patch is better
[11:45] <tsmithe> hmm
[11:45] <tsmithe> i'll need to learn how to do that then
[11:45] <tsmithe> i knew it would be better
[11:45] <tsmithe> (i thought so myself)
[11:46] <tsmithe> but how do i create the patches
[11:46] <tsmithe> i've modified a load of Makefile.in and .am files, and want there to be just one patch throughout the whole directory structure.
[11:46] <tsmithe> how do i do that with dpatch?
[11:59] <Adri2000> tsmithe: dpatch-edit-patch
[12:00] <Adri2000> tsmithe: edit all what you want and exit
[12:00] <tsmithe> cool
[12:00] <tsmithe> but err.... is that by hand or does it make the diff first?
[12:02] <Adri2000> dpatch-edit-patch 01_name_of_your_patch, you change all what you want with your favourite text editor, and dpatch will create the diff itself
[12:02] <Adri2000> actually, it's not a simple diff, it's a script I believe
[12:02] <tsmithe> so... i create a diff
[12:02] <tsmithe> and than dpatch-edit-patch it
[12:03] <Adri2000> no
[12:03] <tsmithe> ok
[12:03] <tsmithe> so how does dpatch know what to diff
[12:03] <tsmithe> i haven't given it a go as i'm busy pbuilding :)
[12:04] <tsmithe> ok
[12:04] <tsmithe> i trie
[12:04] <tsmithe> i tried
[12:04] <tsmithe> but how do i do it with stuff i've already modified :(
 so how does dpatch know what to diff < it will diff between the old source tree and the source tree after you made all your changes
[12:04] <tsmithe> ok
[12:05] <tsmithe> i'll create a new tree and do the changes again
[12:05] <Adri2000> it's the easiest I think
[12:05] <tsmithe> yeah
[12:12] <tsmithe> argh! what is wrong with this: sed s/"\$(datadir)/alsa/firmware"/"\$(datadir)"/g Makefile.*
[12:13] <tsmithe> it says "sed: -e expression #1, char 19: unknown option to `s'"
[12:14] <geser>  / is the delimiter between the arguments for s
[12:14] <tsmithe> so i should escape them