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Burgundaviaogra: ltsp 127: anything that an end user would salivate over?06:19
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cbx33hey ogra did ya get my patch?10:00
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willvdlhey folks, seems the Topic Based Help is now going into the doc-team svn trunk.12:09
willvdlI'll be spending some time looking at it to see how it will affect our edubuntu docs12:10
willvdland then getting the planning page back up12:10
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cbx33w00t12:17
cbx33hi willvdl12:17
willvdllooks like a bit of work to get fluent with the changes12:18
willvdlbut the doc team are quite excited12:18
cbx33excellet12:19
cbx33just got your mail12:19
willvdlglad to see there'e a bzr branch12:19
willvdlbut we can use the svn we have too12:19
willvdllunch time- > bb in hour12:20
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rodarvusgood morning12:27
cbx33hey rodarvus12:27
rockprincesshello everybody!12:33
cbx33hi rockprincess12:34
rockprincesshello cbx33! i've got good news.....in fact very good news :D12:34
cbx33go for it12:34
rockprincessi'm allowed to do my edubuntu uni project :D12:34
cbx33reallY ?12:34
cbx33W00000000000T12:34
rockprincessi'm starting in february :D12:34
cbx33great news12:34
cbx33rockprincess: you star12:35
rockprincessi'll take the time during the xmas holidays to prepare everything that needs to be prepared in order to run smoothly :D12:35
rockprincessand then by the beginning of february i'll start and build my wee network in the school :D12:35
rockprincessit's such a relief, really....i've been looking forward to doing this for the past 2 months really :D12:36
cbx33w00tie12:36
rockprincessi'm sooo eager to start...12:36
rockprincessone more exam is keeping away from starting though....but by friday i will start building my concept :D12:36
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onebagaimana cara konfigurasi vga card klien01:26
onesorry saya pake edubuntu 1001:27
willvdlRichEd ping01:29
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RichEdhey willvdl01:40
willvdlHey, just looking for your thoughts on the two landing pages for edubuntu: www and wiki01:41
willvdlseems to be some duplication of content01:41
RichEdsure ... I am pouring a drink (soft) and then will be back in 2 min ... a trifle warm in my little office today01:42
willvdlgetting colder here by the minute01:42
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willvdlwhat do you think we should do with wiki landing page? what sort of content01:46
RichEdI presume you mean www.edubuntu.org ?01:47
RichEdi mean wiki.edubuntu.org01:47
RichEddoh01:48
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willvdlwiki.e.o/EdubuntuWiki01:48
willvdlvs www.edubuntu.org01:48
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willvdlalso, is there any possibility we could get wiki.edubuntu.org point to the actual wiki instead of the ubuntu wiki?01:49
RichEdI was just looking at that now :) as in we have no control over the landing page01:49
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willvdle.g. if you're on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki and you click on "Home" in top right then it takes you to ubuntu wiki01:50
ograwhat would "the actual wiki" be ?01:50
RichEdI would say that we should assume from 1st principles, that our audience is a potential user, who is not familiar with wiki and open source community conventions / resources ...01:51
willvdlhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuWiki in this case I guess01:51
willvdlogra ^^^01:51
ograyep01:51
RichEdAnd assume that they arrive at our front door "www.edubuntu.org" via an install link, or a CD jacket, or wherever01:51
willvdlkubuntu do it like we do01:52
RichEdThen www.edubuntu.org should have a clear "map" of the resources, prominent, visible at a glance.01:52
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cbx33ogra: w00t01:53
cbx33you're here?01:53
ograyep01:53
cbx33WOW01:53
willvdlkubuntu keep minimal info on www.kubuntu.com, only news and links to docs or wiki01:53
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cbx33ogra: get my patch?01:53
RichEdAnd one of these resources is the wiki ... and we should link to a wiki front door page that gives some quick intro to "wikis in general, their characterstics, and then an explation of how we use our wiki".01:53
cbx33hehe01:53
RichEdAnd perhaps this could be: wiki.edubuntu.org/AboutEdubuntuWiki ?01:54
willvdlEdubuntuWiki/About :)01:54
RichEdclose enough ...01:54
willvdlthat leaves the www site uncluttered for future drupal work01:55
RichEdIt may be an idea that we ask the chief wiki admin to do a check on the referrer url, and if it is wiki.edubuntu.org, then it loads an Edubuntu page ? OPTION 101:55
cbx33RichEd: that's what I wanted01:55
RichEdOr else, that we ask for a wiki.ubuntu.com default page that is a landing page for BOTH edubuntu and ubuntu, and explains how the wiki works for both, and gives an idea of how to browse by product category ? OPTION 201:56
ogracbx33, no, you didnt attach anything, please resend :)01:56
cbx33no way01:57
cbx33argh01:57
RichEdWhere #2 depends on the decision non how categorisation / tags will be set-up / work ...01:57
cbx33hehe01:57
RichEd*decision on how01:57
cbx33don;t have it here.....was so keen to send it to you ;)01:57
willvdlRichEd, #2 will be a doc-team/website-team decision01:58
RichEdyep ... so my approach would be ... build our about page ... and make this the main link from www.edubuntu.org01:59
RichEdThen show the doc team the benefit of our page ... (better user understanding) ... and then suggest they could also work with the same idea ?01:59
RichEd(easier to show than to describe)01:59
cbx33ogra: got a sec in pm?02:00
willvdlkubuntu already do that02:00
willvdlas do ubuntu02:00
RichEdwhat do you mean "as do ubuntu" ...02:00
willvdlubuntu wiki is generic across distros02:01
willvdlhosts LP specs etc.02:01
willvdlmain concern is the "Home" link on wiki.edubuntu.org goes to wiki.ubuntu.com and not /EdubuntuWiki02:02
rockprincesswhy is there no edubuntu message board? does it mean support/advice is only given through IRC/mailing lists and ubuntuforums.org ?02:02
RichEdmy comment is w.r.t. wiki.ubuntu.com default page is a guide yes, but it is a guide to the ubuntu or general purpose wiki ... it would be nice if it was explained to people (on arrival) that the wiki.ubuntu is the same site as wiki.edubuntu and wiki.kubuntu and give some clue as to how to either browse or search by product, or at least be aware that the wiki is multi-purpose.02:02
RichEdrockprincess: for the moment yes. we are building an ubuntu education community space with drupal, and will have some education forums there.02:03
RichEdThis will primarily be an end user space.02:03
willvdloh. gotcha02:04
RichEdTech people prefer IRC and mailing lists. End users prefer forums. We are keeping the mail lists as the official (and approved and accurate) support channel, and will work out how to bridge the forums to the mail lists.02:04
willvdlagree on that as course of action.02:04
RichEd:)02:05
willvdlwill look into registering bug/spec on LP02:05
cbx33ogra: http://pastebin.ca/28031902:15
cbx33will that do02:15
cbx33I went through the archives and found the pastebin02:15
cbx33ogra: I added tooltips too02:15
cbx33;)02:15
cbx33bbia30ms02:15
rockprincesshas anyone heard of the BBC The Codebreakers Documentary?02:26
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willvdlnot yet. what is it?02:37
cbx33rockprincess: yes02:42
rockprincesscbx33: i'm trying to download the DVD iso file, because the ogg files is small but looks rather dodgy :( it's a superb documentary and i've just watched it for the 2nd time....02:44
cbx33ahh.....I'm not sure where it would be available from02:44
rockprincesscbx33: i've shown it to my professor today, as it was my main inspiration and she was rather impressed :D02:45
rockprincesscbx33: there you go: http://www.iosn.net/publications/multimedia/the-codebreakers-1/codebreakers.iso.torrent ;)02:45
cbx33hehe02:45
cbx33is it legally downloadable from there?02:46
cbx33wow02:46
cbx33cool02:46
rockprincessyep :)02:47
rockprincesssee this: http://www.iosn.net/publications/multimedia/the-codebreakers-1/02:47
rockprincessit seems like an official site02:47
cbx33certainly does02:47
rockprincesson another note i found this: http://www.apdip.net/news/eventatwsisvdo .... seems rather interesting as well ;)02:48
rockprincessrichard stallman seems quite radical, but certainly he seems very convincing as well :D02:50
willvdlRichEd, we should update http://www.edubuntu.org/help...03:12
RichEdwillvdl: loading it now ...03:12
RichEdwillvdl: list what pages you think we should update, with comments. We can all share work on the content.03:18
willvdlOK, I reckon the best way to do this is to:03:38
willvdluse cbx33's existing https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWikiCleanup03:39
willvdlcreate a temporary wiki category "CategoryEdubuntuCleanup" for flagging pages that need deletion or updating03:39
RichEdokay ... I'll bookmark that ... and revisit03:40
willvdlBTW: there is a https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTODO and https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuToDo. ogra, let's use latter and use redirect if you've got links set up?03:41
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bddebianHeya04:00
willvdlhey04:09
willvdlogra: there is a https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTODO and EdubuntuToDo. can we use latter name rather?04:09
ograok04:12
ograwipe my page then04:12
willvdlcool. working on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWikiCleanup04:23
cbx33ogra: did you get my message04:30
cbx33http://pastebin.ca/28031904:30
cbx33that's the patch04:31
cbx33I'll mail it to you later ;)04:31
cbx33I'm off04:31
cbx33bye all04:31
willvdlciao04:33
willvdlogra, can the SFD stuff on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWikiCleanup be deleted?04:34
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cbx33ogra, you around?05:02
cbx33hey willvdl howz the wiki going?05:05
willvdlcbx33: check  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWikiCleanup05:06
cbx33crikey ;)05:07
willvdlshould work with least intrusion...05:07
cbx33yeh totally05:07
willvdllike the floating dynamic category table :)05:08
cbx33indeed05:08
cbx33the teachers pet page05:08
cbx33is like cstudent control panel05:08
willvdlsaw that. looks interesting05:10
cbx33well yes05:12
cbx33was last updated a while ago05:12
willvdlwe must work on a home for stuff like that05:13
cbx33Yes05:14
cbx33The teaching tools page needs to be merged with something05:14
cbx33and checked to see if still current05:14
willvdlthere is a lot of content dedicated to "stuff we should have" or "stuff we have"05:14
cbx33https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallations - needs to be made more of05:14
cbx33and updated05:14
cbx33RichEd, sais he had some case studies05:14
willvdl"stuff we have" should go into more formal release notes or ESA type docs05:14
cbx33etc05:14
cbx33we need a much bigger page for this stuff05:14
cbx33stuff we should hve should be expanded into blueprints/specs05:15
willvdlyeah, basically make the wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu page a site-map for content05:15
cbx33willvdl, are you editing that page05:15
willvdlnot any more05:15
cbx33I was gonna go through and move a few around05:15
highvoltagebooya05:15
willvdlbooya05:15
cbx33booya05:15
cbx33indeed05:16
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highvoltage:)05:16
cbx33I think we need an archive section05:16
cbx33gonna created schedule for archive too05:16
willvdlhighvoltage, it is time :)05:16
willvdlwould be lekker to have clean house before all and sundry visit our site again next year05:17
willvdlcbx33, hmm archive. didn't think of that.05:17
cbx33yes05:18
cbx33after ~BETT ;)05:18
willvdlyou mean "move" stuff to /Archive/xxx ?05:18
highvoltagewillvdl: time?05:20
willvdlspring clean :)05:20
cbx33I think EdubuntuTesting is old now05:20
highvoltageah yes05:20
cbx33willvdl, yes we could do05:20
cbx33ogra, is EdubuntuTesting old?05:20
cbx33willvdl, EdubuntuDocumentation this is going to be the handbook05:23
cbx33I think05:23
cbx33but I don;t think we should just delete this05:23
cbx33possibly just setup redirects to the hanmdbook05:23
cbx33to preserve links from outside05:23
willvdlcbx33, it is currently just a temp spot that I used for something05:23
cbx33it was a page I was hoping to pull everything together05:23
cbx33but the handbook is taking that role05:24
willvdlHandbook will get planned and tracked under DocTeam with other documentation projects05:24
willvdland we can link back to edubuntu space05:24
cbx33infact all the ltsp docs I wrote will get added to that05:24
cbx33yes05:24
cbx33ok05:24
cbx33I'll leave that one in other/unducded05:24
cbx33willvdl, refresh made some chages ;)05:24
willvdlcool, maybe just make what notes you can on the history of the page05:24
cbx33oh still saving05:24
cbx33ok made another update05:27
cbx33check it out now05:27
cbx33;)05:27
cbx33all but one re categorised05:27
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willvdlawesome. I'm drafting an email to the lists quickly and then I gotto run.05:29
willvdlWill work full speed on this tomorrow...05:29
highvoltagewillvdl: nice job :)05:29
willvdlthanks. it is not easy hey05:29
cbx33willvdl, excellent - we're making great progress05:29
willvdlrequires a lot of thought and nagging :)05:29
cbx33I'm trying to help ya out as best I can05:29
willvdltomorrow we tackle the Front Page.05:29
cbx33ooooh05:29
willvdldum dum dum dum <drum roll>05:30
cbx33the one I redid?05:30
willvdlyip05:30
cbx33excellent05:30
willvdlcapture all your nice info into the static page?05:30
cbx33highvoltage, is Jelkner still around?05:30
highvoltagecbx33: I haven't seen him online in ages05:30
cbx33so from the merge/expansion sections willvdl - We can draft up names/spaces for where the content should go05:30
cbx33highvoltage, shouldn't Rich be the educational contact now?05:30
willvdlcbx33 yeah05:31
highvoltagecbx33: yes, he should.05:31
cbx33hehe05:31
cbx33I'll change that now05:31
cbx33I know we're gonna change tomorrow....05:31
willvdlcbx33 and work as much into other teams/spec pages as possible05:31
cbx33yes05:31
cbx33we'll get this cleared up05:31
highvoltagecbx33: from what I've read it's more a case of jelkner having tons of other resposibilities, I don't think he has deserted edubuntu.05:31
willvdlwe should have generic contact points anyway?05:31
cbx33right05:31
cbx33yes05:31
cbx33and we need our landing page for BETT05:32
cbx33and other trade/exhibition shows05:32
cbx33with direct links to FrontPage, download, more info etc ;)05:32
cbx33I kinda like the way that gnome/mozilla have05:32
willvdlmaybe linked of ubuntu conferences or presentations ... (there is such a thing somewhere)05:32
cbx33sections for Users/Teachers/Developers all clearly linked05:32
willvdloh right. gotcha05:32
cbx33people can easily categorise themselves with those05:33
willvdlso it becomes more of a dispatch to existing info than anything else ?05:33
cbx33yes05:33
cbx33nothing new05:33
SimonAnibalexcuse me, what webpage are we discussing?05:33
cbx33just a nice friendly landing page05:33
cbx33SimonAnibal, many ;)05:33
cbx33the wiki and edubuntu.org05:33
SimonAnibalAh, right on05:33
cbx33we're pulling all our docs together05:34
SimonAnibalcool05:35
cbx33willvdl, when are you off?05:36
willvdlin a fe secs. GF is looking at me funny05:36
willvdlSimonAnibal, email to follow...05:36
SimonAnibalwillvdl: To the edubuntu lists?05:37
willvdledubuntu-devel and ubuntu-doc05:37
SimonAnibalRight on, I know documentation is one of the least "fun" tasks that need to be done, and I thank you all for tackling it anyways05:38
SimonAnibalI myself am starting to learn the value of keeping good documentation for myself and the people who end up using my work05:38
willvdlSimonAnibal, we jsut need a little bit of a roadmap and some presence with the Doc Team and the contributions will come flooding :)05:41
willvdlOK folks, email sent, I'm outa here. Maybe chat later tonight but prob tomorrow.05:41
willvdltoodles05:41
SimonAniballater, man05:41
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scott_anybody here?05:44
scott_no?05:44
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cberloHi folks.  I've got a bit of a strange happening on Edgy LTSP here:  initial resolution is 1024x768 at boot, but after first login (and logout), it switches to 800x600.  Any idea how to avoid this?06:54
cberloogra:  FYI, adoption here is proceeding.  We've gone from a three client setup at one school to a) a cross-organizational 30 client setup in co-operation with another school board and a local college, b) expansion of the initial site from 3 to 15 clients plus two additional 15 client sites (for a total of about 45 clients) and c) an additional off-site terminal server to service 10 clients in a "standalone" configuration (not connected to either of t06:58
cberlos/tooled/tolled/g06:58
cberloWhich reminds me, anyone got a quick and dirty user administration interface?  One of the projects simply interfaces with Active Directory, but for the other two projects, I need to keep user accounts up to date manually.06:59
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cbx33hey sbalneav07:41
sbalneavMorning07:41
cbx33going good?07:41
sbalneavheh, finished all my upgrades.07:42
sbalneavEntire province went from Debian + icewm to Ubuntu + gnome07:43
cbx33you upgraded from debian to ubutnu?07:43
sbalneavyep, and from IceWM as the desktop to Gnome.07:44
cbx33cool07:44
sbalneavAnd from LTSP 4.x to LTSP 507:44
cbx33hahah07:44
sbalneavso, I been busy07:44
cbx33indeed you have07:44
sbalneavEverybody seems to like Gnome07:45
cbx33indeed07:46
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cbx33hey LaserJock07:54
LaserJockhi07:54
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juliuxhey pirast08:10
juliuxogra, ping08:10
pirastjuliux, hi08:10
pirasttomorrow, is the big day08:11
pirastI will present Edubuntu to the lab admin / teacher08:11
pirast:-P08:11
juliuxpirast, cool08:11
juliuxdo you have everything?08:12
pirastyeah..08:12
pirastalready tried08:12
juliuxwe will wait to your report;)08:12
pirastyeah :-)08:12
pirasttoday he said that he would bring a very old laptop with him08:12
pirast( he didn't believe me that it doesn't matter how old the machine is at least it has 64 mb of ram)08:13
juliuxhm perhaps pxe is not working on the old notebook08:13
pirastwe will create a boot diskette08:13
juliuxah ok08:14
juliuxpirast, ask your teacher if he is interested in the fasching 2007 idea;)08:15
pirastjuliux, lol ;-)08:16
juliuxpirast, pls08:16
pirasti dont think that he'll be interested but I will tell him08:16
juliuxok08:16
juliuxwe need some "daus" for that;)08:16
pirastokay ;-)08:17
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pvf somebody help...i have dapper and want to install packages available in edgy, how do i do it ?11:57
crimsun_you dist-upgrade to edgy first.11:58
crimsun_in some instances, newer packages are available in the dapper-backports repository11:58
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pvfcrimsun_, yes i want to know about backports12:03
crimsun_!backports |pvf12:04
ubotupvf: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports12:04
pvfyes...i already added the line for the edgy backports in my sources.list12:04
pvfand did apt-get update12:04
crimsun_you're on dapper, though, not edgy.12:05
crimsun_you want to use dapper-backports, not edgy-backports.12:05
pvfi see...i have that line too12:06
pvf: )12:06
pvfthis ... "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse"12:06
crimsun_I'd remove the edgy-backports line(s) and update12:07
crimsun_please don't break your system12:07
pvfdone12:08
LaserJockpvf: do you only want a couple of packages from Edgy or do you want to upgrade your whole Ubuntu installation to Edgy?12:09
pvfi just want some packages from edgy12:10
LaserJockI would try dapper-backports first then12:10
pvfyes...but how do i do it....i have installed the packages from dapper but i need the version in edgy12:12
cbx33pvf, from dapper, or dapper backports12:12
cbx33?12:12
LaserJockdapper-backports is a special software repository where packages for edgy are rebuilt for use on dapper12:13
cbx33what package are you talking about in particular?12:13
pvfok ... for example "libqt4-core"12:13
pvfi have 4.1.2 in dapper but need version 4.2.2 from edgy12:13
cbx334.2.0-1ubuntu6 0 here12:14
pvfyes12:14
pvfmaybe12:14
cbx33what is the difference in the versions? (outta curiosity)12:15
LaserJockcbx33: that's for Edgy though12:15
cbx33yes I know12:15
pvfthere are some new widgets12:16
cbx33ahh i see12:16
LaserJockDapper's just got 4.1.2-1ubuntu1.1 with -security12:16
cbx33pvf not ready for the upgrade to edgy yet?12:16

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