[06:19] <Burgundavia> ogra: ltsp 127: anything that an end user would salivate over?
[10:00] <cbx33> hey ogra did ya get my patch?
[12:09] <willvdl> hey folks, seems the Topic Based Help is now going into the doc-team svn trunk.
[12:10] <willvdl> I'll be spending some time looking at it to see how it will affect our edubuntu docs
[12:10] <willvdl> and then getting the planning page back up
[12:17] <cbx33> w00t
[12:17] <cbx33> hi willvdl
[12:18] <willvdl> looks like a bit of work to get fluent with the changes
[12:18] <willvdl> but the doc team are quite excited
[12:19] <cbx33> excellet
[12:19] <cbx33> just got your mail
[12:19] <willvdl> glad to see there'e a bzr branch
[12:19] <willvdl> but we can use the svn we have too
[12:20] <willvdl> lunch time- > bb in hour
[12:27] <rodarvus> good morning
[12:27] <cbx33> hey rodarvus
[12:33] <rockprincess> hello everybody!
[12:34] <cbx33> hi rockprincess
[12:34] <rockprincess> hello cbx33! i've got good news.....in fact very good news :D
[12:34] <cbx33> go for it
[12:34] <rockprincess> i'm allowed to do my edubuntu uni project :D
[12:34] <cbx33> reallY ?
[12:34] <cbx33> W00000000000T
[12:34] <rockprincess> i'm starting in february :D
[12:34] <cbx33> great news
[12:35] <cbx33> rockprincess: you star
[12:35] <rockprincess> i'll take the time during the xmas holidays to prepare everything that needs to be prepared in order to run smoothly :D
[12:35] <rockprincess> and then by the beginning of february i'll start and build my wee network in the school :D
[12:36] <rockprincess> it's such a relief, really....i've been looking forward to doing this for the past 2 months really :D
[12:36] <cbx33> w00tie
[12:36] <rockprincess> i'm sooo eager to start...
[12:36] <rockprincess> one more exam is keeping away from starting though....but by friday i will start building my concept :D
[01:26] <one> bagaimana cara konfigurasi vga card klien
[01:27] <one> sorry saya pake edubuntu 10
[01:29] <willvdl> RichEd ping
[01:40] <RichEd> hey willvdl
[01:41] <willvdl> Hey, just looking for your thoughts on the two landing pages for edubuntu: www and wiki
[01:41] <willvdl> seems to be some duplication of content
[01:42] <RichEd> sure ... I am pouring a drink (soft) and then will be back in 2 min ... a trifle warm in my little office today
[01:42] <willvdl> getting colder here by the minute
[01:46] <willvdl> what do you think we should do with wiki landing page? what sort of content
[01:47] <RichEd> I presume you mean www.edubuntu.org ?
[01:47] <RichEd> i mean wiki.edubuntu.org
[01:48] <RichEd> doh
[01:48] <willvdl> wiki.e.o/EdubuntuWiki
[01:48] <willvdl> vs www.edubuntu.org
[01:49] <willvdl> also, is there any possibility we could get wiki.edubuntu.org point to the actual wiki instead of the ubuntu wiki?
[01:49] <RichEd> I was just looking at that now :) as in we have no control over the landing page
[01:50] <willvdl> e.g. if you're on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki and you click on "Home" in top right then it takes you to ubuntu wiki
[01:50] <ogra> what would "the actual wiki" be ?
[01:51] <RichEd> I would say that we should assume from 1st principles, that our audience is a potential user, who is not familiar with wiki and open source community conventions / resources ...
[01:51] <willvdl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuWiki in this case I guess
[01:51] <willvdl> ogra ^^^
[01:51] <ogra> yep
[01:51] <RichEd> And assume that they arrive at our front door "www.edubuntu.org" via an install link, or a CD jacket, or wherever
[01:52] <willvdl> kubuntu do it like we do
[01:52] <RichEd> Then www.edubuntu.org should have a clear "map" of the resources, prominent, visible at a glance.
[01:53] <cbx33> ogra: w00t
[01:53] <cbx33> you're here?
[01:53] <ogra> yep
[01:53] <cbx33> WOW
[01:53] <willvdl> kubuntu keep minimal info on www.kubuntu.com, only news and links to docs or wiki
[01:53] <cbx33> ogra: get my patch?
[01:53] <RichEd> And one of these resources is the wiki ... and we should link to a wiki front door page that gives some quick intro to "wikis in general, their characterstics, and then an explation of how we use our wiki".
[01:53] <cbx33> hehe
[01:54] <RichEd> And perhaps this could be: wiki.edubuntu.org/AboutEdubuntuWiki ?
[01:54] <willvdl> EdubuntuWiki/About :)
[01:54] <RichEd> close enough ...
[01:55] <willvdl> that leaves the www site uncluttered for future drupal work
[01:55] <RichEd> It may be an idea that we ask the chief wiki admin to do a check on the referrer url, and if it is wiki.edubuntu.org, then it loads an Edubuntu page ? OPTION 1
[01:55] <cbx33> RichEd: that's what I wanted
[01:56] <RichEd> Or else, that we ask for a wiki.ubuntu.com default page that is a landing page for BOTH edubuntu and ubuntu, and explains how the wiki works for both, and gives an idea of how to browse by product category ? OPTION 2
[01:56] <ogra> cbx33, no, you didnt attach anything, please resend :)
[01:57] <cbx33> no way
[01:57] <cbx33> argh
[01:57] <RichEd> Where #2 depends on the decision non how categorisation / tags will be set-up / work ...
[01:57] <cbx33> hehe
[01:57] <RichEd> *decision on how
[01:57] <cbx33> don;t have it here.....was so keen to send it to you ;)
[01:58] <willvdl> RichEd, #2 will be a doc-team/website-team decision
[01:59] <RichEd> yep ... so my approach would be ... build our about page ... and make this the main link from www.edubuntu.org
[01:59] <RichEd> Then show the doc team the benefit of our page ... (better user understanding) ... and then suggest they could also work with the same idea ?
[01:59] <RichEd> (easier to show than to describe)
[02:00] <cbx33> ogra: got a sec in pm?
[02:00] <willvdl> kubuntu already do that
[02:00] <willvdl> as do ubuntu
[02:00] <RichEd> what do you mean "as do ubuntu" ...
[02:01] <willvdl> ubuntu wiki is generic across distros
[02:01] <willvdl> hosts LP specs etc.
[02:02] <willvdl> main concern is the "Home" link on wiki.edubuntu.org goes to wiki.ubuntu.com and not /EdubuntuWiki
[02:02] <rockprincess> why is there no edubuntu message board? does it mean support/advice is only given through IRC/mailing lists and ubuntuforums.org ?
[02:02] <RichEd> my comment is w.r.t. wiki.ubuntu.com default page is a guide yes, but it is a guide to the ubuntu or general purpose wiki ... it would be nice if it was explained to people (on arrival) that the wiki.ubuntu is the same site as wiki.edubuntu and wiki.kubuntu and give some clue as to how to either browse or search by product, or at least be aware that the wiki is multi-purpose.
[02:03] <RichEd> rockprincess: for the moment yes. we are building an ubuntu education community space with drupal, and will have some education forums there.
[02:03] <RichEd> This will primarily be an end user space.
[02:04] <willvdl> oh. gotcha
[02:04] <RichEd> Tech people prefer IRC and mailing lists. End users prefer forums. We are keeping the mail lists as the official (and approved and accurate) support channel, and will work out how to bridge the forums to the mail lists.
[02:04] <willvdl> agree on that as course of action.
[02:05] <RichEd> :)
[02:05] <willvdl> will look into registering bug/spec on LP
[02:15] <cbx33> ogra: http://pastebin.ca/280319
[02:15] <cbx33> will that do
[02:15] <cbx33> I went through the archives and found the pastebin
[02:15] <cbx33> ogra: I added tooltips too
[02:15] <cbx33> ;)
[02:15] <cbx33> bbia30ms
[02:26] <rockprincess> has anyone heard of the BBC The Codebreakers Documentary?
[02:37] <willvdl> not yet. what is it?
[02:42] <cbx33> rockprincess: yes
[02:44] <rockprincess> cbx33: i'm trying to download the DVD iso file, because the ogg files is small but looks rather dodgy :( it's a superb documentary and i've just watched it for the 2nd time....
[02:44] <cbx33> ahh.....I'm not sure where it would be available from
[02:45] <rockprincess> cbx33: i've shown it to my professor today, as it was my main inspiration and she was rather impressed :D
[02:45] <rockprincess> cbx33: there you go: http://www.iosn.net/publications/multimedia/the-codebreakers-1/codebreakers.iso.torrent ;)
[02:45] <cbx33> hehe
[02:46] <cbx33> is it legally downloadable from there?
[02:46] <cbx33> wow
[02:46] <cbx33> cool
[02:47] <rockprincess> yep :)
[02:47] <rockprincess> see this: http://www.iosn.net/publications/multimedia/the-codebreakers-1/
[02:47] <rockprincess> it seems like an official site
[02:47] <cbx33> certainly does
[02:48] <rockprincess> on another note i found this: http://www.apdip.net/news/eventatwsisvdo .... seems rather interesting as well ;)
[02:50] <rockprincess> richard stallman seems quite radical, but certainly he seems very convincing as well :D
[03:12] <willvdl> RichEd, we should update http://www.edubuntu.org/help...
[03:12] <RichEd> willvdl: loading it now ...
[03:18] <RichEd> willvdl: list what pages you think we should update, with comments. We can all share work on the content.
[03:38] <willvdl> OK, I reckon the best way to do this is to:
[03:39] <willvdl> use cbx33's existing https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWikiCleanup
[03:39] <willvdl> create a temporary wiki category "CategoryEdubuntuCleanup" for flagging pages that need deletion or updating
[03:40] <RichEd> okay ... I'll bookmark that ... and revisit
[03:41] <willvdl> BTW: there is a https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTODO and https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuToDo. ogra, let's use latter and use redirect if you've got links set up?
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya
[04:09] <willvdl> hey
[04:09] <willvdl> ogra: there is a https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTODO and EdubuntuToDo. can we use latter name rather?
[04:12] <ogra> ok
[04:12] <ogra> wipe my page then
[04:23] <willvdl> cool. working on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWikiCleanup
[04:30] <cbx33> ogra: did you get my message
[04:30] <cbx33> http://pastebin.ca/280319
[04:31] <cbx33> that's the patch
[04:31] <cbx33> I'll mail it to you later ;)
[04:31] <cbx33> I'm off
[04:31] <cbx33> bye all
[04:33] <willvdl> ciao
[04:34] <willvdl> ogra, can the SFD stuff on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWikiCleanup be deleted?
[05:02] <cbx33> ogra, you around?
[05:05] <cbx33> hey willvdl howz the wiki going?
[05:06] <willvdl> cbx33: check  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWikiCleanup
[05:07] <cbx33> crikey ;)
[05:07] <willvdl> should work with least intrusion...
[05:07] <cbx33> yeh totally
[05:08] <willvdl> like the floating dynamic category table :)
[05:08] <cbx33> indeed
[05:08] <cbx33> the teachers pet page
[05:08] <cbx33> is like cstudent control panel
[05:10] <willvdl> saw that. looks interesting
[05:12] <cbx33> well yes
[05:12] <cbx33> was last updated a while ago
[05:13] <willvdl> we must work on a home for stuff like that
[05:14] <cbx33> Yes
[05:14] <cbx33> The teaching tools page needs to be merged with something
[05:14] <cbx33> and checked to see if still current
[05:14] <willvdl> there is a lot of content dedicated to "stuff we should have" or "stuff we have"
[05:14] <cbx33> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallations - needs to be made more of
[05:14] <cbx33> and updated
[05:14] <cbx33> RichEd, sais he had some case studies
[05:14] <willvdl> "stuff we have" should go into more formal release notes or ESA type docs
[05:14] <cbx33> etc
[05:14] <cbx33> we need a much bigger page for this stuff
[05:15] <cbx33> stuff we should hve should be expanded into blueprints/specs
[05:15] <willvdl> yeah, basically make the wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu page a site-map for content
[05:15] <cbx33> willvdl, are you editing that page
[05:15] <willvdl> not any more
[05:15] <cbx33> I was gonna go through and move a few around
[05:15] <highvoltage> booya
[05:15] <willvdl> booya
[05:15] <cbx33> booya
[05:16] <cbx33> indeed
[05:16] <highvoltage> :)
[05:16] <cbx33> I think we need an archive section
[05:16] <cbx33> gonna created schedule for archive too
[05:16] <willvdl> highvoltage, it is time :)
[05:17] <willvdl> would be lekker to have clean house before all and sundry visit our site again next year
[05:17] <willvdl> cbx33, hmm archive. didn't think of that.
[05:18] <cbx33> yes
[05:18] <cbx33> after ~BETT ;)
[05:18] <willvdl> you mean "move" stuff to /Archive/xxx ?
[05:20] <highvoltage> willvdl: time?
[05:20] <willvdl> spring clean :)
[05:20] <cbx33> I think EdubuntuTesting is old now
[05:20] <highvoltage> ah yes
[05:20] <cbx33> willvdl, yes we could do
[05:20] <cbx33> ogra, is EdubuntuTesting old?
[05:23] <cbx33> willvdl, EdubuntuDocumentation this is going to be the handbook
[05:23] <cbx33> I think
[05:23] <cbx33> but I don;t think we should just delete this
[05:23] <cbx33> possibly just setup redirects to the hanmdbook
[05:23] <cbx33> to preserve links from outside
[05:23] <willvdl> cbx33, it is currently just a temp spot that I used for something
[05:23] <cbx33> it was a page I was hoping to pull everything together
[05:24] <cbx33> but the handbook is taking that role
[05:24] <willvdl> Handbook will get planned and tracked under DocTeam with other documentation projects
[05:24] <willvdl> and we can link back to edubuntu space
[05:24] <cbx33> infact all the ltsp docs I wrote will get added to that
[05:24] <cbx33> yes
[05:24] <cbx33> ok
[05:24] <cbx33> I'll leave that one in other/unducded
[05:24] <cbx33> willvdl, refresh made some chages ;)
[05:24] <willvdl> cool, maybe just make what notes you can on the history of the page
[05:24] <cbx33> oh still saving
[05:27] <cbx33> ok made another update
[05:27] <cbx33> check it out now
[05:27] <cbx33> ;)
[05:27] <cbx33> all but one re categorised
[05:29] <willvdl> awesome. I'm drafting an email to the lists quickly and then I gotto run.
[05:29] <willvdl> Will work full speed on this tomorrow...
[05:29] <highvoltage> willvdl: nice job :)
[05:29] <willvdl> thanks. it is not easy hey
[05:29] <cbx33> willvdl, excellent - we're making great progress
[05:29] <willvdl> requires a lot of thought and nagging :)
[05:29] <cbx33> I'm trying to help ya out as best I can
[05:29] <willvdl> tomorrow we tackle the Front Page.
[05:29] <cbx33> ooooh
[05:30] <willvdl> dum dum dum dum <drum roll>
[05:30] <cbx33> the one I redid?
[05:30] <willvdl> yip
[05:30] <cbx33> excellent
[05:30] <willvdl> capture all your nice info into the static page?
[05:30] <cbx33> highvoltage, is Jelkner still around?
[05:30] <highvoltage> cbx33: I haven't seen him online in ages
[05:30] <cbx33> so from the merge/expansion sections willvdl - We can draft up names/spaces for where the content should go
[05:30] <cbx33> highvoltage, shouldn't Rich be the educational contact now?
[05:31] <willvdl> cbx33 yeah
[05:31] <highvoltage> cbx33: yes, he should.
[05:31] <cbx33> hehe
[05:31] <cbx33> I'll change that now
[05:31] <cbx33> I know we're gonna change tomorrow....
[05:31] <willvdl> cbx33 and work as much into other teams/spec pages as possible
[05:31] <cbx33> yes
[05:31] <cbx33> we'll get this cleared up
[05:31] <highvoltage> cbx33: from what I've read it's more a case of jelkner having tons of other resposibilities, I don't think he has deserted edubuntu.
[05:31] <willvdl> we should have generic contact points anyway?
[05:31] <cbx33> right
[05:31] <cbx33> yes
[05:32] <cbx33> and we need our landing page for BETT
[05:32] <cbx33> and other trade/exhibition shows
[05:32] <cbx33> with direct links to FrontPage, download, more info etc ;)
[05:32] <cbx33> I kinda like the way that gnome/mozilla have
[05:32] <willvdl> maybe linked of ubuntu conferences or presentations ... (there is such a thing somewhere)
[05:32] <cbx33> sections for Users/Teachers/Developers all clearly linked
[05:32] <willvdl> oh right. gotcha
[05:33] <cbx33> people can easily categorise themselves with those
[05:33] <willvdl> so it becomes more of a dispatch to existing info than anything else ?
[05:33] <cbx33> yes
[05:33] <cbx33> nothing new
[05:33] <SimonAnibal> excuse me, what webpage are we discussing?
[05:33] <cbx33> just a nice friendly landing page
[05:33] <cbx33> SimonAnibal, many ;)
[05:33] <cbx33> the wiki and edubuntu.org
[05:33] <SimonAnibal> Ah, right on
[05:34] <cbx33> we're pulling all our docs together
[05:35] <SimonAnibal> cool
[05:36] <cbx33> willvdl, when are you off?
[05:36] <willvdl> in a fe secs. GF is looking at me funny
[05:36] <willvdl> SimonAnibal, email to follow...
[05:37] <SimonAnibal> willvdl: To the edubuntu lists?
[05:37] <willvdl> edubuntu-devel and ubuntu-doc
[05:38] <SimonAnibal> Right on, I know documentation is one of the least "fun" tasks that need to be done, and I thank you all for tackling it anyways
[05:38] <SimonAnibal> I myself am starting to learn the value of keeping good documentation for myself and the people who end up using my work
[05:41] <willvdl> SimonAnibal, we jsut need a little bit of a roadmap and some presence with the Doc Team and the contributions will come flooding :)
[05:41] <willvdl> OK folks, email sent, I'm outa here. Maybe chat later tonight but prob tomorrow.
[05:41] <willvdl> toodles
[05:41] <SimonAnibal> later, man
[05:44] <scott_> anybody here?
[05:44] <scott_> no?
[06:54] <cberlo> Hi folks.  I've got a bit of a strange happening on Edgy LTSP here:  initial resolution is 1024x768 at boot, but after first login (and logout), it switches to 800x600.  Any idea how to avoid this?
[06:58] <cberlo> ogra:  FYI, adoption here is proceeding.  We've gone from a three client setup at one school to a) a cross-organizational 30 client setup in co-operation with another school board and a local college, b) expansion of the initial site from 3 to 15 clients plus two additional 15 client sites (for a total of about 45 clients) and c) an additional off-site terminal server to service 10 clients in a "standalone" configuration (not connected to either of t
[06:58] <cberlo> s/tooled/tolled/g
[06:59] <cberlo> Which reminds me, anyone got a quick and dirty user administration interface?  One of the projects simply interfaces with Active Directory, but for the other two projects, I need to keep user accounts up to date manually.
[07:41] <cbx33> hey sbalneav
[07:41] <sbalneav> Morning
[07:41] <cbx33> going good?
[07:42] <sbalneav> heh, finished all my upgrades.
[07:43] <sbalneav> Entire province went from Debian + icewm to Ubuntu + gnome
[07:43] <cbx33> you upgraded from debian to ubutnu?
[07:44] <sbalneav> yep, and from IceWM as the desktop to Gnome.
[07:44] <cbx33> cool
[07:44] <sbalneav> And from LTSP 4.x to LTSP 5
[07:44] <cbx33> hahah
[07:44] <sbalneav> so, I been busy
[07:44] <cbx33> indeed you have
[07:45] <sbalneav> Everybody seems to like Gnome
[07:46] <cbx33> indeed
[07:54] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[07:54] <LaserJock> hi
[08:10] <juliux> hey pirast
[08:10] <juliux> ogra, ping
[08:10] <pirast> juliux, hi
[08:11] <pirast> tomorrow, is the big day
[08:11] <pirast> I will present Edubuntu to the lab admin / teacher
[08:11] <pirast> :-P
[08:11] <juliux> pirast, cool
[08:12] <juliux> do you have everything?
[08:12] <pirast> yeah..
[08:12] <pirast> already tried
[08:12] <juliux> we will wait to your report;)
[08:12] <pirast> yeah :-)
[08:12] <pirast> today he said that he would bring a very old laptop with him
[08:13] <pirast> ( he didn't believe me that it doesn't matter how old the machine is at least it has 64 mb of ram)
[08:13] <juliux> hm perhaps pxe is not working on the old notebook
[08:13] <pirast> we will create a boot diskette
[08:14] <juliux> ah ok
[08:15] <juliux> pirast, ask your teacher if he is interested in the fasching 2007 idea;)
[08:16] <pirast> juliux, lol ;-)
[08:16] <juliux> pirast, pls
[08:16] <pirast> i dont think that he'll be interested but I will tell him
[08:16] <juliux> ok
[08:16] <juliux> we need some "daus" for that;)
[08:17] <pirast> okay ;-)
[11:57] <pvf>  somebody help...i have dapper and want to install packages available in edgy, how do i do it ?
[11:58] <crimsun_> you dist-upgrade to edgy first.
[11:58] <crimsun_> in some instances, newer packages are available in the dapper-backports repository
[12:03] <pvf> crimsun_, yes i want to know about backports
[12:04] <crimsun_> !backports |pvf
[12:04] <ubotu> pvf: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[12:04] <pvf> yes...i already added the line for the edgy backports in my sources.list
[12:04] <pvf> and did apt-get update
[12:05] <crimsun_> you're on dapper, though, not edgy.
[12:05] <crimsun_> you want to use dapper-backports, not edgy-backports.
[12:06] <pvf> i see...i have that line too
[12:06] <pvf> : )
[12:06] <pvf> this ... "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse"
[12:07] <crimsun_> I'd remove the edgy-backports line(s) and update
[12:07] <crimsun_> please don't break your system
[12:08] <pvf> done
[12:09] <LaserJock> pvf: do you only want a couple of packages from Edgy or do you want to upgrade your whole Ubuntu installation to Edgy?
[12:10] <pvf> i just want some packages from edgy
[12:10] <LaserJock> I would try dapper-backports first then
[12:12] <pvf> yes...but how do i do it....i have installed the packages from dapper but i need the version in edgy
[12:12] <cbx33> pvf, from dapper, or dapper backports
[12:12] <cbx33> ?
[12:13] <LaserJock> dapper-backports is a special software repository where packages for edgy are rebuilt for use on dapper
[12:13] <cbx33> what package are you talking about in particular?
[12:13] <pvf> ok ... for example "libqt4-core"
[12:13] <pvf> i have 4.1.2 in dapper but need version 4.2.2 from edgy
[12:14] <cbx33> 4.2.0-1ubuntu6 0 here
[12:14] <pvf> yes
[12:14] <pvf> maybe
[12:15] <cbx33> what is the difference in the versions? (outta curiosity)
[12:15] <LaserJock> cbx33: that's for Edgy though
[12:15] <cbx33> yes I know
[12:16] <pvf> there are some new widgets
[12:16] <cbx33> ahh i see
[12:16] <LaserJock> Dapper's just got 4.1.2-1ubuntu1.1 with -security
[12:16] <cbx33> pvf not ready for the upgrade to edgy yet?