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manchickenIs there a way to get dpkg-buildpackage to leave objects and configure cache?12:27
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manchickenWho wrote this thing?12:48
manchickenMany of the comments are in what looks like maybe polish?12:48
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mhbmanchicken: this thing?12:49
mhbmanchicken: you mean adept?12:50
manchickenYeah.12:51
mhbmanchicken: all I see are english comments12:51
mhbmanchicken: file? line?12:51
manchickenview.cpp12:52
manchickenadept/view.cpp that is12:52
manchicken(not libadept)12:52
mhbyou mean the joke at the bottom?12:53
mhb:o)12:54
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manchickenI have no idea what that is.12:56
manchickenI speak English and Emacs ^_^12:56
manchickenThat's it.12:56
mhbI'm not sure if the answer to the question "How many Existentialists do you need to screw a lightbulb?" would be of any use to you in hacking Adept :o)12:56
manchickenWhat language is that?12:57
mhbczech12:57
manchickenAh.12:57
manchickenOne of the many languages I have no idea where to begin with.12:57
manchickenI was going to guess Polish.12:58
manchickenBut I have no idea.12:58
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mhbthat comment is not helpful at all.12:59
mhbdon't worry12:59
manchickenheh12:59
manchickenI hope real comments are more helpful ;)12:59
manchickenAck, hard-codes.01:03
manchickenAck, libadept is using only half Qt....01:08
manchickenUsing fstream instead of qfile...01:08
manchickenOoh, so this thing just hits dpkg on the shell escape and such?01:30
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manchickenWe **REALLY** need to take the hardcodes out of there.01:35
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manchickenI think I'm going to try to rework some of this libadept.01:57
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manchickenAnybody home?02:16
bddebianNo one here but us mice :)02:18
manchickenI'm trying to figure out what to do with adept.02:18
manchickenSome of this code is just awful.02:18
manchickenLike, really awful.02:19
bddebianSo fix it :-)02:26
manchickenI'm thinking about it.02:28
manchickenAre you a C++/Qt feller?02:28
bddebianNah, I'm a rodeo clown basically02:29
manchickenI'm not sure if what I'm thinking I should clean up is really worth the time.02:30
=== Jucato thinks Adept needs a lot of love... but where's mornfall?
manchickenIt works, and it doesn't look particularly terrible, but it's got a lot of hard-codes and a lot of libc stuff where I think Qt usage would be more appropriate.02:30
bddebianI've been cleaning up gnumach, how bad could Adept be? :-)02:31
manchickenI'm also noticing that some of these methods have a lot of side-effects.02:31
manchickenI just need someone who's at least marginally familiar with this codebase to help me decide whether or not to go on a Qt-ifying crusade.02:32
Jucatomanchicken: aside from it's creator (mornfall), I think Riddel is the only other person on the planet familiar with it02:32
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manchickenIs thinking QFile should be used and passed around more than FILE*'s nit-picky or is it actually a valid concern?02:33
manchickenI mean, if we're going to use libc, let's not require Qt... but if we're going to use Qt, let's USE Qt.02:34
manchickenAlso, those path hardcodes have got to go.02:34
manchickenMaybe even moved into a hardcodes.h until we can work them into the build file.02:35
manchickenerr, build process.02:35
imbrandonmanchicken: no one else is really familiar with it, mornfall is the author and has taken an extended vacation, it also needs alot of UI love too ( seele can tell you about that one )02:36
imbrandonand any work you do on it would be very very very aprerciated02:36
imbrandonbtw moins seele bddebian manchicken mhb02:37
imbrandonand anyone else arround atm02:37
Jucatomoin imbrandon! :)02:37
manchickenimbrandon: I'm just a hacker with freetime and a short attention span (and a case of Sam Adams).  If you have anything specific you'd like to see done, I'm certainly willing to consider it.02:37
manchickenThose tabs in kde-systemsettings were actually Riddell's idea, not mine ^_^02:37
imbrandonmanchicken: can i make you a list and you just start picking off items at your leasure ? heheh ( i wont have time to make it untill late tonight or tomarrow )02:38
imbrandon:P02:38
manchickenI'll lead development efforts at work, here I'd like to be more of a follower.02:38
imbrandonsure02:38
manchickenimbrandon: I can't think of anything you could do that I would like more.02:38
imbrandonrockin02:38
manchickenI'll be up for a few more hours.02:38
imbrandonk02:39
imbrandonthe next 3 days are my days off from work soooo i'll have lots of time02:39
ryanakcaimbrandon: you packaged some qmake + qt4 + cdbs apps?02:39
manchickenI'm off until Janiary.02:39
imbrandonjust as soon as i fix my damn mail server :)02:39
manchickenThat'd be January02:39
manchickenheh02:39
imbrandonryanakca: tons02:39
imbrandonryanakca: well not tons but quite a few02:39
ryanakcaoh, and, how can one figure out what files in ~/.kde  are used by System Settings02:39
ryanakcaimbrandon: perfect... mind helping me with a few things?02:39
imbrandonsure, shoot , if i can i will02:40
manchickenimbrandon: An abstract question... in a Qt-based app, if you saw something using FILE* and passing it around all over the place, would you replace it with QFile?02:40
imbrandonand and thing in ~/.kde that is in system setting should be used02:40
imbrandonryanakca: ^02:40
imbrandonmanchicken: yea02:40
manchickenOkie dokie.02:41
manchickenI'll try to clean up some of this adept code while I wait for your list.02:41
imbrandonrock on, adept is like top on my "wish was fixed up a bit" list02:41
manchickenI'm not the most practiced C++ hacker on earth, but I can work it.02:41
imbrandon:)02:41
manchickenActually, I kinda hate "standard" C++.02:42
ryanakcaimbrandon: lost me... and and thing in ~/.kde..02:42
ryanakca[15:35]  <kdefreak> rrrrg. Ok, I've figured out the problem. only thing is how to fix it. Problem: building creates obj-i486-linux-gnu, cd's to that directory, runs qmake-qt4 -o Makefile monkey.pro, but can't find monkey.pro, becaus monkey.pro is in the previous directory. If I change the rules to run qmake-qt4 -o Makefile monkey.pro, it then looks for obj-i486-linux-gnu/../../src, when infact, it should be looking for02:42
ryanakcaobj-i486-linux-gnu/../src.02:42
ryanakca<kdefreak> [15:36]  <kdefreak> http://dpaste.com/3866/02:43
ryanakcaimbrandon: ^^02:43
imbrandonwow thats some makefile vodo from hell02:44
imbrandonumm hold on02:44
ryanakcaif you want my rules + qmake-qt4, http://dpaste.com/3871/02:44
ryanakcalol02:44
manchickenI wish KDE was as well documented as Qt.02:53
ryanakcamanchicken: you messed around with System Settings, right?02:53
manchickenYeah.02:54
manchickenHopefully I didn't screw it up too bad.02:54
manchicken;)02:54
ryanakcahmm... (good job on the tabs, btw... much better than the buttons)... I have a question02:54
ryanakcalol02:54
ryanakcabetter than anything I could do02:54
manchickenSure, what's up?02:54
manchickenI doubt that.02:54
manchickenFolks don't know what they can do until they put their mind to it.02:55
ryanakcaI've just started learning python02:55
manchicken(remember, I'm a Perl hacker for a living)02:55
ryanakcaanything I could do at the moment02:55
ryanakcagive me a decade... maybe02:55
manchickenPsht.02:55
manchickenYou think I went to school for this?02:55
ryanakcalol02:55
manchickenI've been hacking for a while.02:55
imbrandonnone of us do / did afaik :) not the good ones atleaste :)02:55
manchickenPicked up C when I was 12 (thus the C++ hatred).02:56
imbrandonbrb02:56
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ryanakcaC at the age of 12?02:56
manchickenYou just gotta get into it man.02:56
ryanakcaholy.. I'm falling behind02:56
manchickenWhen I was 12 we didn't I didn't have access to Free software.02:56
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manchickenBorland Turbo C++ and a book man.02:56
ryanakcalol, Accelerated C++?02:57
manchickenNo, just a bad compiler with a quasai-cool name.02:57
manchickenAnd an even worse IDE.02:57
ryanakcano, the book02:57
manchickenWe're talking DOS days.02:57
manchickenOh, the book.02:57
manchickenNaw, it was the Turbo C++ manual, and then some other things I'd picked up.02:58
ryanakcaah02:58
manchickenMy dad's a hacker too.02:58
ryanakcadcc the screenie to you?02:58
ryanakcathat helps02:58
manchickenSure if you want.02:58
ryanakcaor e-mail?02:58
ryanakcakk02:58
manchickenDo you actually have a question though?  I think I missed it.02:58
ryanakcayes, the screenshot explains it all :)02:59
ryanakcaoffering... should be an accept button popping up somewheres02:59
manchickenFailed to connect.02:59
manchickenProbably a firewall issue.02:59
ryanakcayeah... my iptables :)02:59
manchickenJust email to manchicken@notsosoft.net if you want.03:00
ryanakcakk03:00
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manchickenHave I told you how much I love kontact?03:01
ryanakcalol?03:02
manchickenOkay, it may just be the two beers and three Jager shots, but I can't see the problem.03:03
manchicken(though this is since the bears won in overtime around 5-6 hours ago)03:03
ryanakcathere aren't any keyboard layouts available?03:04
manchickenAh.03:05
ryanakcaeven if I check "Enable keyboard layouts"?03:05
manchickenThat I don't know.03:05
manchickenAre you in a chroot or pbuilder?03:05
ryanakcano03:07
manchickenWeird.03:07
manchickenI've never seen that.03:07
manchickenThat's not really kde-systemsettings though.  That's the actual module itself.03:07
ryanakcabut I've tried moving .kde to .kde.bak and restarting... same preoblem03:07
ryanakcaah03:07
manchickenkde-systemsettings and kcontrol both use KSycoca modules for all of that stuff.03:08
manchickenI think that may be a more global config issue.03:08
manchickenFeisty?03:08
nixternalheh03:12
nixternalmanchicken: i had scrolled up earlier in here right, to where they said thanks for the tabs right...and never scrolled down03:12
manchickenheh03:13
manchickenVery nice.03:13
nixternali was wondering why my |15| in my status kept highlighting and i didn't see anything there03:13
manchickenheh03:13
nixternali thought it was new :003:13
nixternalfinally got nixternal.com03:13
nixternalprobably won't even use it, but at $22 i couldn't pass it up03:13
manchickenheh03:14
ryanakcamanchicken: edgy03:15
manchickenI've got a nice deal with railsplayground.net03:15
manchickenryanakca: Have you done anything weird lately?03:15
manchickennixternal: $9/mo for amazing hosting service.03:15
nixternalya, and then used a promo code to get $97 off03:15
ryanakcamanchicken: um... well... no03:16
manchickenryanakca: I've never seen that problem before.03:17
ryanakcanixternal: you seen it?03:18
nixternalwhat am i looking for?03:20
ryanakcanixternal: just a sec... nixternal @ ubuntu dot com ?03:28
nixternalya03:29
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nixternali didn't hear you, louder!03:30
ryanakcasent03:30
nixternalwow, that is an odd one03:32
ryanakcayeah03:32
ryanakcaany ideas?03:32
ryanakcabeen like that for a couple of weeks now03:32
nixternalfeisty?03:32
ryanakcaI've moved .kde to .kde.bak and restarted03:32
ryanakcaedgy03:32
nixternalhmm03:33
ryanakcadidn't do anything03:33
ryanakcasame in kkbswitch03:33
manchickenIt's official...03:34
manchickenI have no idea what to do with adept.03:34
nixternalrm -rf it03:34
nixternalapt-get --purge03:34
nixternalapt-get --please_leave03:34
nixternalonly thing i like about it is the adept notifier03:35
manchickenIt looks like it works... but some of that code is not what I would consider the cleanest.03:35
manchickenI love using adept.03:35
manchickenI'm just not loving hacking it.03:35
nixternalapt-cache search it, then apt-get it03:35
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ryanakcanixternal: lemme know if you think of anything03:41
nixternalroger wilco03:42
ryanakcaimbrandon: figured it out? want the source dir?03:42
ryanakcaanywais, I'm heading to bed... G'night03:44
manchickenimbrandon: ping03:50
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imbrandonpong03:51
manchickenGot anything less infuriating than adept needs work? ;)03:52
imbrandonhehe03:52
imbrandonhrm , not at the moment ( i'm sure there is plenty on LP but i havent looked )03:52
imbrandonone sec brb03:53
bddebian*cough*kssh*cough* ;-)03:59
manchickenbddebian: Do you really want help with it?04:00
manchickenbddebian: If you want to walk me through it I can try to help.04:00
manchickenBut I'm pretty new to the packaging scene.04:01
bddebianActually I don't think it's a packaging issue.  I think there is something weird in the build system when building outside of the source dir04:01
manchickenWell, give me a task and I'll see what I can do.04:04
bddebianDon't sweat it unless ryanakca really wants it :-)04:08
manchickenI'm just looking for SOMETHING to hack.04:10
bddebianWell you are always welcome to come over to the dark side of gnumach and Hurd :-)04:11
manchickenI'm hoping for feature adds or small and specific bug fixes to do since I'm not the greatest C++ guy ever.04:12
manchickenEh, I'm using too much hardware that lacks free software drivers.04:12
manchicken(last bloody HP laptop I'll ever buy)04:12
bddebianheh04:12
imbrandonWhat do you get if you multiply six by nine?04:14
imbrandonwhoops wrong chan04:15
imbrandon( hehe )04:15
manchickenNice.04:16
Jucato:)04:16
nixternalhahaha04:18
nixternalimbrandon: you hanging out in #3rd_grade?04:19
imbrandonnix thats from hitchikers guide to the galaxy04:20
imbrandona refrence04:20
imbrandon:)04:20
bddebiannixternal: hehe04:20
nixternaloh ya04:21
imbrandonnic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Scrabble_6x9.jpg04:21
imbrandonerr nix04:21
nixternal42, the answer to life universe and everything or something like that04:21
nixternali get it now :)04:21
manchickenhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/anti-piracy <-- Bad idea04:24
nixternalis it still possible to pirate winxp? i thought that genuine crap fixed all that04:30
manchickenwho cares?04:31
manchickenheh04:31
manchickenI think we should stop using their word for sharing.04:32
manchickenIt's sharing, not pirating.04:32
bddebianheh04:32
manchickenIt's not stealing, it's not piracy, and I would even argue that it's not wrong.04:33
bddebianRichard, is that you?04:33
manchickenheh04:33
manchickenMy name is Mike ;)04:33
manchickenAnd I don't really care for the north-east ;)04:33
bddebianYou're in IL?04:34
manchickenYeah.04:35
bddebianWhereabouts?  I grew up East of Peoria, North of Bloomington04:35
manchickenI'm on the south side of Chicago.04:35
bddebianOh, Bad, Bad, Leroy Brown? ;-P04:36
manchickenheh04:36
manchickenI really need something to do.04:46
Jucatoum... is anyone here familiar about compiling another version of an app (say, from SVN) in a place other than /usr/ or /usr/local/ ?04:47
manchickenUsing apt?04:48
nixternalbddebian: we are chicagoans homey :)04:49
Jucatono. compiling from source (from SVN)04:49
nixternalEast of Peoria + North of Bloomington == Normal, LaSalle, Peru, Kankakee....04:50
bddebianAn itty, bitty town called Benson04:50
bddebianIn fact I grew up on a farm04:51
JucatoI set the correct --prefix and it compiled properly. and it runs. I've also added the directory to $PATH. if I launch it from the command line, it runs the correct version (SVN). but if I launch it from the K Menu or Alt+F2, it launches the original version04:51
nixternalwhoa, ya, never heard of Benson..that is a new one04:51
manchickenJucato: Just configure --prefix=SOMEPATH04:51
bddebianPopulation: 50004:51
nixternali go hunting down in that area as well (farming, canton, pekin)04:51
nixternals/farming/farmington04:51
Jucatomanchicken: I did. like I said, running it from the command line works properly. but launching it from KDE doesn't... are there any other environment variables I need to set up?04:52
bddebianRoanoke, Eureka, Metamora?04:52
bddebianMinonk?04:52
nixternalahhh04:52
nixternalMetamora, Eureka (football team used to rock int he 80s)04:52
nixternalya04:52
manchickenJucato: Is it a program you've got installed elsewhere as well?04:52
bddebianYeah04:52
nixternali know that area a little bit04:52
nixternalMetamora kicked some butt in hs football thsi season04:52
Jucatomanchicken: yes. it's Konversation. 1.0.1 is installed by default (from the repos). I compiled another one from SVN04:53
Jucatothe command line recognizes which version to run ("which konversation"), but not KDE04:53
manchickenJucato: Try absolutely pathing it.04:54
nixternalwow, that is interesting...kmenuedit shows it runs konversation from /usr/bin and not from /usr/share or something else?04:54
Jucatoyep. absolute paths work... isn't there a way to make it automatic?04:54
nixternalJucato: .desktop file should do it right?04:54
Jucatonixternal: strange. my konversation.desktop doesn't include any path information...04:54
Jucato(the one from /usr/share/applications/kde)04:55
bddebianIt shouldn't04:55
nixternalExec=konversation -caption "%c" %i %m04:55
bddebianNor should the icon04:55
nixternalthats what is in mine04:55
Jucatonixternal: ditto04:56
Jucatoso it should follow what's in $PATH right?04:56
nixternalit should04:56
Jucatoin my PATH, the directory where I installed Konvi SVN (/opt/kdevel/install/bin) is the first entry...04:56
Jucatoany other env variables I need to setup up? (I've setup KDEDIRS in /etc/profile)04:57
Jucatobtw, this doesn't happen if the app I compiled is the only version of that app installed (KPlayer)04:58
nixternalso for it to run 2 different versions that means there are 2 different versions running04:59
nixternalwhich is odd04:59
Jucatonixternal: not running at the same time04:59
nixternali would have thought it would have overwritten it04:59
nixternalya i know...i mean 'konversation' runs in 2 different versions04:59
Jucatoyeah :)04:59
JucatoSho_ also finds it weird. he's the one who taught me how to build it from SVN. everything went smoothly up to that point05:00
Jucatohe said that setting up the correct $PATH and $KDEDIRS in /etc/profile should have worked. unless Kubuntu implements a different system05:00
manchickenAre you working on kde4?05:01
Jucatomanchicken: heh no. I'm still learning C++ remember? :)05:01
Jucatobut I'm also trying to learn how to build from SVN and stuff... then later how to make packages the Kubuntu way05:02
manchickenThere's no such thing as "learning" ;)05:02
manchickenThere is hack or no hack.05:02
manchicken^_^05:02
Jucatoheh05:02
=== bddebian == no hack
JucatoI'm not as experienced as you :P05:03
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manchickenHeh, I'm experienced?05:03
Jucatomanchicken: obviously :)05:03
manchickenI'm not sure I would say that.05:04
manchickenI'm certainly not C++ experienced.05:04
Jucatoheh but still more experienced than me :P05:05
manchickenWell get hacking.05:05
JucatoI'd love to... once I figure this problem out05:05
Jucatosee, I have to run Konvi from the command line everytime I want the svn version running05:05
manchickenOr you could just update your menus...05:06
Jucatoto use absolute path, right?05:07
manchickenyup05:07
Jucatoand I have to do that everytime I compile an svn version of an app that's already installed, right?05:07
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bddebianNot if it's always built into the same location05:07
Jucatobddebian: I always put stuff I compile from SVN in /opt/kdevel (separating source, build, and install)05:08
Jucatoso far, it's only residents are Konversation and KPlayer (from CVS...)05:09
manchickenimbrandon: you know anything needing doing?05:09
bddebianmanchicken: Start packaging ;-)05:09
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manchickenI KNOW!  I'll make a sources.list editor!05:24
Jucatomanchicken: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AdeptUsability05:25
manchickenThat's what I'm pulling it from ^_^05:26
Jucatowould be nice if it also had a way to see changelogs, like in Synaptic (which donwloads from the changelogs site) or KPackage (takes from the changelog file in the package)05:26
manchickenThat would require me to actually care about the ugly code in the dpkgpm sources.05:27
Jucatomanchicken: that sources.list editor will definitely be a great thing. as it is, it's already hard to explain how to add multiverse in Adept :)05:27
Jucato(they end up adding/enabling the wrong repos)05:27
Jucatoanyway... gotta eat some lunch. thanks for the help earlier manchicken, nixternal, bddebian05:28
Jucato:)05:28
Jucato(I'll probably ask again later :P )05:28
nixternalno problem05:29
nixternali need food as well, im hungry05:29
manchickennp05:30
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JucatoHobbsee!!! :)06:35
manchickenw00t!  Hobbsee!06:36
manchickenWhat's goin' on?06:36
Hobbseehey Jucato, manchicken!06:36
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Jucatohehe kool! :)06:36
manchickenheh06:37
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manchickenHow does one add a file to the build process?  Or will it just add itself?06:37
Hobbseeer, plus the other....10 or so, chatting to other people06:37
manchickenIf I add a new file, how do I add it to the build and package process?06:41
manchickenIm guessing there's just a manifest file somewhere.06:41
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nixternaladd a new file to an already built package?06:42
manchickenyeah06:42
nixternallike you did 'apt-get source blah' and now you added something to blah?06:42
manchickenyeah06:42
nixternalok, you need to have blah.orig and blah06:42
nixternalyou edit blah06:42
nixternalonce youre done with blah you 'diff -Nru blah.org blah >blah.diff'06:42
nixternalplace that blah.diff in the blah/debian/patches/ directory06:43
nixternalthen in debian/rules call cdbs patchsys06:43
manchickenSeriously?06:44
manchickenI would have thought it would be as simple as just adding it to the autoconf process.06:44
Hobbseemanchicken: are you adding it to upstream?06:44
Hobbseemanchicken: ie, will your file be in the release tarballs that they put on their sites?06:44
manchickenI may be, if it doesn't suck when I'm donw with it.06:44
manchickendone*06:44
manchickenI'm trying to implement the sources.list edit widget described in the usability guide.06:45
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imbrandonseele, ahh whoops , guess that was my fault for not noticing heh08:03
manchickenimbrandon: Did you email me your list? (manchicken@notsosoft.net)08:07
imbrandonnope not yet, still compiling some things08:07
imbrandonummm08:07
imbrandonsorry i'm a bit slow tonight08:07
manchickenI started some stuff with implementing the usability guide's reccomendation for sources management in adept.08:08
imbrandonnice08:08
imbrandonyea thats very much needed08:08
Jucato:)08:08
manchickenI need to figure out how to add files to a package.08:09
manchickenThere should be a wiki on normal build operation processes and how they relate to packaging in dpkg.08:09
manchickenThere probably is.08:09
manchickenI'm half asleep.  It's 0110, I'm gonna hit the hay.08:09
imbrandon!package guide08:09
imbrandonhrm no ubotu in here08:10
manchickenheh08:10
manchickenI'll check you later.08:10
Jucatoand Ubotwo doesn't seem to be here either08:10
manchickenI'll look it up later.08:10
imbrandonkk08:10
manchickenI need sleep.  Badly.08:10
imbrandon:)08:10
manchickenNight.08:10
imbrandonnight08:10
Jucato<Ubotwo> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources08:10
Jucatonight manchicken|away! :)08:10
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Ash-FoxPerhaps I'm stupid, but I honestly cannot figure out why I can't get this menu to display http://ash-fox.theden.ws/temp/glfrontier.txt the icons exist, the binary exists, I run update-menus. Yet I don't see it in KDE's menus. Makes no sense to me at all.08:15
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raphinkhmmm Ash-Fox imo this is a Debian menu entry08:18
raphinkthe KDE menu requires a desktop file08:18
imbrandonyea you need a .desktop file for KDE/GNOME08:19
imbrandonbrb08:19
raphinkI actually never use such menu entries, only desktop files08:19
Ash-FoxOkay. Maintainer's handbook confused me :P08:19
raphinkhehe08:20
Ash-FoxWhich manfile contains information on .desktop files?08:22
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raphinkhmmm Ash-Fox you can look at the desktop files in /usr/share/applications/kde for examples08:30
raphinkAsh-Fox: there are specifications on freedesktop.org too iirf08:31
raphinkiirc08:31
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Ash-Foxraphink, thanks08:33
nixternalmaybe this is a dead horse, but I am working on some TBH stuff right, and I was wondering, why doesn't kubuntu install games by default?09:00
nixternalis this to save space on the disk?09:00
Hobbseenixternal: i think so09:00
nixternali wondered that, just never thought about09:01
Hobbseecant see any other reason09:01
nixternalme either09:01
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Hobbseehah09:05
Hobbseethat's a gnome proggy09:05
Hobbseewe're trying to avoid tha09:05
Jucatooh? :O09:05
Hobbseeelse i'd want synaptic and firefox, too09:05
Jucato:(09:05
Jucatoheh didn't realize it was a gnome proggy...09:05
Jucatohm...09:06
imbrandonand openoff..... err nevermind09:06
Jucatolol :)09:07
Hobbseeimbrandon: good point09:07
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imbrandonheh09:07
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JucatoHobbsee: might not be needed, if manchicken keeps on working on it :)09:07
Hobbseetrue that09:07
imbrandonnooo i spent 6+ hours at UDS getting oo.o out of kubuntu for feisty+109:07
Jucatonice imbrandon! :)09:07
Jucatoum... any of you familiar with compiling some KDE apps from svn, putting them somewhere other than /usr/ or /usr/local/ ?09:08
imbrandonjust mess with the prefix=/something in the ./configure09:09
imbrandonlike any other app09:09
imbrandon:)09:09
Jucatoimbrandon: yeah, that worked like a charm... from the command line. seems like KDE (or the .desktop file) doesn't honor $PATH in this case... or I musn't be setting some env variable right...09:10
Jucatobasically, I have 2 versions of Konversation, 1.0.1 (Kubuntu) and SVN. I set up PATH to included where I installed SVN. if I launch from the command line, it runs the correctly SVN version, but if I use the menu or Alt+F2, it launches the 1.0.1 version, even if konversation.desktop doesn't have any path info09:12
imbrandonthat has nothing to do with how you compiled it then09:12
imbrandonthats your kde environment09:12
imbrandonsomehow09:13
Jucatohm... any idea where I can set that up? Sho_ is clueless as well... He says that it works in Gentoo (adding the proper PATH and KDEDIRS)09:14
imbrandonsince you reset PATH have you logged out of KDE/X ?09:14
Jucatocouple of times. I've alternately set the path in /etc/environment and /etc/profile... there's no problem with the path as far as bash is concerned. not sure if it has anything to do with KDEDIRS09:15
imbrandonno09:15
imbrandonand no09:15
Jucatohm... ok... now at a loss :)09:16
imbrandonkdedirs is only for libs09:16
imbrandonso that has -0- to do with it09:16
Jucatooh kool. thought it might be affecting it :)09:16
imbrandonas far as what it runs when you type something in alt f2 is what you are concerned with09:16
imbrandonis it running the desktop file ? in a term ? etc etc etc09:17
imbrandonanyhow i must run, but thats the issue09:17
imbrandonpersonaly i would just make another icon for your desktop to launch the one in /opt09:17
imbrandonbbiab09:17
Jucatoyeah, figured I'd have to do that. thanks! :)09:18
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Hobbseejdong: ping?10:26
Hobbsee[20:25]  <ervin> Hobbsee: basically I did nothing specific to remove this dialog (ie the intent wasn't to remove the dialog)10:26
Hobbsee[20:25]  <ervin> it's a side effect of the move from a kio job doing the work to hal doing the work10:26
Hobbsee[20:26]  <ervin> and for now it's kind of nastier code to workaround this to have the dialog again... so I live with it10:26
Hobbsee[20:26]  <Hobbsee> ervin: right.10:26
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ryanakcamanchicken|away: can you say kssh?12:45
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ryanakcaYou're up early this morning...12:46
ryanakcaWell... probably more like evening is australia?12:46
Hobbseeevening, yeah12:47
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ryanakcabrb12:51
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Tonio_hi :)12:56
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HobbseeTonio_: hooray!12:57
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Tonio_Hobbsee: hehe, sorry to be so late, but christmas is not a great moment to stay respondive here :)12:58
HobbseeTonio_: of course.  it's irregular that my family's ignoring christmas this year12:59
alleeTonio_: hi,  please don't forget digikam upload01:12
Tonio_allee: yeah I just got my gpg key from my gf's computer :)01:13
Tonio_allee: will upload right now01:13
alleeTonio_: thx01:13
Tonio_I'm uploading fixed kaffeine and gtk-qt merge before01:13
alleenp01:13
Tonio_allee: when you're here, any idea where on earth could be a file called kmenubase.h ?01:14
Tonio_it is required by kickoff, isn't in kdebase svn tree, not in kdelibs, and not in kickoff too..........01:14
Tonio_I'm getting mad with this01:14
alleeno. Can't find it here too.  Maybe something like a brute force svn ls --recursive ?01:16
Tonio_allee: hum, I'll try to grab the full kde svn and grep, yes.....01:17
Tonio_allee: patches are complete, and kerry now looks optionnal, so it might be okay01:17
Tonio_just that header file is giving me problems01:17
Tonio_althouh maintaining the patches may require a little work :)01:17
Tonio_kickoff patch is about 350 KB :)01:18
alleesvn ls if more diskfriendly than svn co01:18
Tonio_allee: yup01:18
alleeoh, that's not small.  Let's see it the result is worth that much tweaks ;)01:18
Tonio_allee: bah technically it isn't hard to maintain, just maintain a diff between the suse and the official kde branch01:23
Tonio_there is only one hunk that doesn't apply due to our patches01:24
Tonio_allee: not that hard to maintain01:24
alleeTonio_: that's a good thing01:24
Tonio_the hardest part isthe binary patch for the icons and graphical part01:24
Tonio_Riddell: gtk-qt merged01:24
Tonio_allee: your current digikam is on revu ?01:25
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Tonio_ho, alle I'll have to leave in one our (bying christmas gifts)01:25
Tonio_allee: can you try to ping cjwatson concerning the digikam sru for edgy ?01:26
Tonio_this is waiting for a long time now01:26
alleeTonio_: yes. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3783 contains the latest ghoto2 fix01:27
Tonio_allee: the upload there is 3 days old....01:27
Tonio_allee: okay I'm revuing this01:27
alleeTonio_: yeap.  Was all the time waiting for your gpg key ;)01:27
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Tonio_allee: hehehe ;)01:27
Tonio_allee: yes I'm sorry but I changed my webserver recently and forgot to put a backup online01:28
alleeTonio_: np01:28
Tonio_allee: I didn't knew the utils.mk thing to check splits....very interesting, thanks or this ;)01:31
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Tonio_allee: digikam uploaded01:51
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Lureallee, Tonio_: since you just did rc2: http://www.digikam.org/?q=node/20302:47
Lure;-)02:47
Hobbseehaha02:47
alleeLure: yeah, 0.9.0 right now building :)02:47
Lureallee: it was funny since I have seen rc2 upload and 0.9.0 final on the same read of my rss feeds ;-)02:48
alleeLure: hehe.02:48
alleeat least upgrade should not be hard.  Remove the patch (and maybe use --enable-final)02:49
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alleeI'll write an e-mail to pkg-kde-extras ml.  If we can merge digikam/showfoto split now that digikam is in experimental.02:50
alleeIMHO there nothing more borring than unnecessary merging02:50
alleeLure: is there an RSS feed for ubuntu uploads?02:51
Lureyep02:51
alleeURL? :)02:51
Lurehttp://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/feisty.xml02:51
LureYou have the same for edgy, dapper02:51
alleek02:51
alleethx02:51
Lureit is basically ML -> RSS02:51
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bddebianHeya04:00
Jucatohi bddebian04:01
bddebianHi Jucato04:01
Tonio__allee: let me know when t's done04:03
Tonio__allee: I'm not sure there is any change to perform on the package..... rc2 is just one week old04:04
Tonio__allee: I'll upload04:04
alleeTonio__: k04:05
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manchickenHowdy y'all.04:13
Jucatohi manchicken! :)04:13
manchickenWhat's going on?04:15
manchickenWhat you hackin'?04:15
Jucatotrying to build kdebase from svn on a new user...04:16
Luremanchicken: seele liked your change of system settings04:17
manchickenOoh.  That should be nice.04:17
Jucatoheh it already failed the first time..04:17
manchickenLure: Yeah, I saw that.  It's nice to see someone appreciated that.  ^_^04:17
manchickenJucato: I failed many times before getting KDE4 to build properly.04:17
Luremanchicken: she was pushing to get this changed for feisty04:17
Jucatowell, this is KDE 3.5.5 :)04:17
Jucato(building from branch)04:17
Jucatomoral lesson for me: log your configures,makes, and make installs...04:18
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srednaHi04:21
srednaAny chance of digikam 0.9 packages for edgy?04:21
manchickenOoh.04:21
manchickenSweet.04:21
manchickenI kinda hoped we would.04:21
manchickenIt does make more sense from a UI standpoint.04:21
manchickenI'm trying to help out as much as I can for feisty.04:21
Luresredna: when it is in feisty (allee and Tonio_ are working on it), we can try to request backport04:22
srednaLure: Ok, is there an easy way to know when that will happen?04:23
Luresredna: beside watching edgy-changes ML/rss feed, no04:24
srednaLure: Ok, thank you. I'll try to keep my eyes open :)04:25
Tonio__Lure: did you receive my email concerning guidance ?04:30
LureTonio__: I did, but did not look into it yet (very busy) - is this the same as your upload today?04:31
Tonio__Lure: yup04:31
LureTonio__: will try to check this evening (after sailing club party ;-))04:31
Tonio__Lure: except the archive in the mail contains the .svn datas, make it easier for you to sync04:31
Tonio__Lure: you just have to update the svn structure04:31
manchickenWhy does adept hate me?04:41
manchickenOkay, can someone help me figure out how to get a new file added to an existing package?04:42
manchicken!package guide04:42
manchickenArgh, no bot.04:42
seaLnedepends on the type of files04:42
manchickenh & cpp04:43
seaLneyou don't mean install those presumably?04:43
manchickenWell, I want them to compile into the binary.04:44
manchicken^_^04:44
seaLnepatch then04:44
manchickenIf I was doing this with normal automake, I'd just add it to I think the Makefile.in.04:44
seaLnedo the files exist in the upstream source?04:45
manchickenNo.04:45
manchickenThey're mine.04:45
manchickenErr, my changes04:45
seaLnecompletly new files or changes to existing files?04:45
manchickenCompletely new files.04:46
seaLneprobably a patch then to add them to the sources04:46
manchickenSo just diff them against a blank file or something and stick the diff in patches?04:47
manchickenIs there a doc on how to do that?04:47
seaLnemake to copies of the source dir, make changes to one then do diff -Nurp clean-source-dir changed-source-dir04:48
seaLnetwo copies04:48
Jucato!packageguide04:50
Jucatobah...04:50
manchickenThen just move that diff into debian/patches?04:51
seaLneis there already debian/patches ?04:51
Jucato<Ubotwo> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources04:51
manchickenGotta run drop food off at a food pantry rq.04:53
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nixternalimho the kdm login screen, the new big fat black dots, we need a bigger password box or what not, because it only shows like 4 or 5 big dots, personally it looks kind of ugly05:23
nixternalmuhahaha05:23
nixternali was wondering why someone didn't come back and say yes i don't like it either, or nixternal you schmuck, that rocks!05:23
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Tonio__nixternal: you schmuck, that rocks ! ^^05:50
Tonio__nixternal: in fact everything depends on your video card05:51
Tonio__nixternal: and the dpi settings05:51
Tonio__nixternal: for example on my desktop with a nvidia card, the fonts are really small and I can put about 12 letters in the field05:51
nixternalhahaha05:55
nixternalwell, this is on a radeon using the ati drivers, not binary, 1600x1200 res05:55
manchickenWidescreen doesn't get enough love.05:56
nixternalmanchicken: i noticed that looking for wallpapers05:56
manchickenThe SVG ones aren't as bad.05:56
Tonio_nixternal: the screen size isn't important, what is important isthe dpi settings05:56
manchickenI find myself having to hit like Deviantart and stuff.05:57
Tonio_nixternal: and we don't force it for kdm, only kde05:57
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manchickenOkay, so after I make this diff, do I just put it in debian/patches?05:58
alleeTonio_: correction: important is that the dpi settings match reality ;)05:58
nixternalmanchicken: yes05:58
manchickenYes there is a debian/patches05:58
Tonio_allee: hehe, old debate :)05:59
nixternalallee: i agree with you there, these dots at 1600x1200 on a 19" CRT were huge05:59
manchickenHopefully this works.06:01
alleenixternal: mhh, then tthe dots should be smaller than usaully.  Strange.06:01
alleenixternal: what gives xdpyinfo | grep -E '^  dimen|^  resol'06:01
alleenixternal: are the width and height im mm correct?06:02
seaLnemanchicken: you will need to check by looking at debian/rules what type of patches the package uses06:02
manchickenOkie dokie.06:02
seaLnewhat package is it?06:02
manchickenIt just seems like there should be a list of files somewhere that it keeps track of.  heh06:02
manchickenadept06:02
seaLneewww :)06:02
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manchickenI'm subclassing a QVBox widget for the new UI guide on adept's sources editor06:03
alleemanchicken: fwiw simplepatchsys does not use a list of file. only *.diff and *.patch AFAIR06:03
seaLneand yes adept uses simple-patchsys discovers06:04
manchickenSo all I gotta do is put a patch into the patches directory and it'll pick it up?06:04
seaLneso the diff should just be called debian/patches/kubuntu_03_my_random_changes.diff06:04
manchickenThat's what I named it.06:04
seaLnehopefully not actually :)06:05
manchickenexcept I used something more descriptive than my_random_changes06:05
seaLne:)06:05
manchickenBranded live Kubuntu Edgy CDs make excellent stocking stuffers ^_^06:07
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manchickenOkay, so how do I tell whether or not it pulled my patch in?06:17
manchickenI don't think it did.06:17
manchickenI looked in obj-x86_64-linux-gnu and there's no object file.06:18
manchickenI think it hates me.06:18
manchickenIt must be talking to my mother.06:18
manchickenAlthough it does have a log...06:21
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nixternalallee: dimensions:  1600x1200 pixels (361x271 millimeters)06:50
nixternalallee: resolution:  113x112 dots per inch06:50
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Tonio_allee: diff.uu and .uu.{gz|bz} are also handeled by simplepatchsys07:02
Tonio_.diff.{gz|bz}07:04
Tonio_sorry :)07:04
manchickenOkay, this thing isn't picking up my patch....07:07
Tonio_manchicken: with simplepatchys, you only need to put it under the debian/patches directory07:09
manchickenDoes it actually care if I'm using it?07:09
Tonio_and include simple-patchsys.mk in debian rules07:10
Tonio_manchicken: and of course had cdbs as a builddep07:10
Tonio_manchicken: are you doing all of this ?07:10
manchickenIt is there.07:10
Tonio_manchicken: and the patch doesn't apply ?07:10
manchickenI'm working on adept.  All of this stuff is there.07:10
manchickenI'm adding a new file.07:11
Tonio_okay07:11
Tonio_and the ile is ignored with the build process ? or does it fail to apply ?07:11
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Tonio_manchicken: what do you use to make the build ? pbuilder or debuild ?07:12
manchickendpkg-buildpackage07:12
Tonio_well that should work afaik....07:13
Tonio_manchicken: can you install devscripts and use debuild to make the package instead ?07:13
Tonio_but I agree with you it should work07:14
Tonio_manchicken: another solution is send me the source package and I'll have a look07:14
Tonio_manchicken: I need the dsc, dif.gz and tarball files07:14
manchickenWell what do you have to do to get it to build?07:16
manchickenIt just seems like it shouldn't be this difficult.07:17
manchickenI'm going to try to actually use this new file and see if it's just noticing that it's not being used and ignoring it.07:17
Tonio_manchicken: I use pbuilder07:17
Tonio_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto07:18
Tonio_manchicken: that's the best way to build since it makes it sure all builddeps are there etc......07:18
Tonio_manchicken: with all I told you to check and pbuilder that should obviously work07:18
Tonio_I don't see any reason that wouldn't07:19
manchickenI'm actually working in a chroot for this.07:19
manchickenpbuilder won't let me do the trial-and-error that I enjoy doing.07:19
manchickenTakes too long.07:19
Tonio_manchicken: hum yes...07:20
manchickenIt looks like it may have just been detecting that I wasn't using it....07:20
Tonio_manchicken: then maybe you should use debuild insteadof dpkg-buildpackage07:20
manchickenOkay, I'm tryin debuild now.07:20
Tonio_manchicken: but if it still doesn't work, please send me your source package, I'll tell you what exactly is the problem....07:20
Tonio_manchicken: hard for me to guess what is the issue without the package here :)07:21
manchickenyeah07:21
Tonio_manchicken: tonio@ubuntu.com07:21
manchickenI hear ya07:21
Tonio_10 megs by email is the limit07:21
manchickenI don't think I'll exceed that ^_^07:21
manchickenI'll use bz207:21
manchickenYeah, it's not pulling in my source file.07:21
Tonio_manchicken: aren't you the guy I discussed with when you came in first, and whom I suggest adept as a pan of work on kubuntu?07:22
Tonio_just to be sure :)07:22
manchickenPossibly... it's all a blur ^_^07:22
Tonio_hhe07:22
manchickenI did the tabs in kde-systemsettings though if that helps you remember.07:22
Tonio_hum, no sorry :)07:22
Tonio_I thought that was Sime's work ;)07:22
manchickenArgh... I think it's 14M07:24
manchickenI'll split.07:24
seaLneis jjesse still working ok docs?07:28
manchickenYou've got mail (2).  mv .aa to .tar.bz2 and then cat .ab >> .tar.bz207:28
manchickenOr you could use join.07:28
manchicken(I think)07:28
manchickenadept is so nasty.07:34
Tonio_manchicken: okay thanks07:35
Tonio_manchicken: no wait :07:35
Tonio_manchicken: tonio@planetemu.net07:35
Tonio_no limit at all there :)07:36
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manchickenheh07:36
manchickenon its way07:36
seelemhb: ping07:41
manchickenHow goes it seele?07:41
seeleits going.. trying to finish up some grub stuff for mhb so i can do some day-job stuff07:41
manchickenAh.07:43
oslohello comment rester en user et ne pas avoir a retapper un passe lors de commande sudo ???07:49
oslosudo su && blahblah && exit ??07:50
manchickenNon... sudo su && sudo blahblah && exit07:50
manchickenJe pense...07:50
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manchicken(desole, mon francais n'est pas bon.  Quel Americain de moi)07:51
manchickenheh07:51
manchickenthat's okay.  My french really sucks.07:52
manchickenSo it'd be more like #kubuntu-bad-fr07:52
manchickenTonio_: Your second address barfed on my message due to size limits.07:54
manchickenheh07:54
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mhbseele: I'm here07:55
manchickenGotta love kontact crashing when I delete a message from the outbox.07:56
manchickenTonio_: I'm going to move it out to my FTP server.07:57
manchickenIt'll be up there in a few minutes.07:58
manchicken(bloody comcast throttling my connection.07:58
manchicken)07:58
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bddebianmanchicken: Stop hosting those pr0n sites and they won't do that ;-P08:03
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manchickenheh08:04
manchickencomcast always does that.08:05
manchickenTonio_: http://www.notsosoft.net/for_tonio.bz208:05
manchickenAck....08:05
manchickenTonio_: http://www.notsosoft.net/for_tonio.tar.bz208:05
manchickenThe second one is that you want.08:05
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Tonio_manchicken: just finished to eat08:46
Tonio_manchicken: I'm looking08:47
manchickenGroovy.  Thanks.08:47
Tonio_manchicken: I'm told thearchive is invalid........08:47
manchickenArgh.08:47
manchickenDid you join it right?08:47
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Tonio_manchicken: join ???08:48
manchickenOh, you mean the one I uploaded?08:49
manchickenduh08:49
manchickenLet me test it.08:49
Tonio_manchicken: yup I took the one you uploaded08:50
Tonio_manchicken:08:51
Tonio_tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop$ tar xvjf for_tonio.tar.bz208:51
Tonio_bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.08:51
Tonio_this is what I get08:51
manchickenWorks for me.08:53
manchickenTry tar -ixvf08:53
manchickenIt tests just fine for me.08:56
manchickenWhat's your checksum?08:56
Tonio_manchicken: works with ixvf08:57
Tonio_isn't j for bz2 ? I only use bzip, but that surprises me....08:57
Tonio_manchicken: kubuntu_03_sources_entry.diff is the patch you want to add ?08:59
manchickenyeah08:59
manchickenNaw, i is for bz208:59
Tonio_manchicken: Trying patch debian/patches/kubuntu_01_enable_sources_editor.diff at level 1 ... 0 ... 2 ... failure09:02
Tonio_hum....... that may explain :)09:02
Tonio_manchicken: in man tar : -j, --bzip209:03
manchickenWhat is -09:03
manchicken-i?09:03
Tonio_-i is to ignore zero blocks09:03
Tonio_-i, --ignore-zeros09:03
Tonio_              ignore blocks of zeros in archive (normally mean EOF)09:03
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Tonio_manchicken: but that's not the subject, hehe, it looks like patch one doesn't apply, so the other ones are ignores, which sounds logic09:04
manchickenWeird.09:04
Tonio_manchicken: to try the patches with cdbs, go in the srcdir and perform "fakeroot debian/rules apply-patches"09:04
Tonio_and "remove-patches" to deapply09:04
Tonio_manchicken: how do you write you patches ?09:05
Tonio_I generally use cdbs-edit-patch09:05
manchickenNot with this system.09:05
Tonio_that's the best way to be sure everything will work09:05
manchickenHow do I do that?09:05
Tonio_I use diff only when there is something special like diff with binary datas or something09:05
manchickenI'm not getting any trouble.09:05
Tonio_manchicken: simply go in the srcdir andperform a "cdbs-edit-patch yourpatch"09:06
Tonio_then edit what you want, and when you exit everything you changed goes in the form of a patch, that's it09:06
Tonio_allee: ping ?09:09
manchickenDidn't help.09:11
manchickenAll I want to do is add this new file to the build process.  It doesn't seem like this patch thing is doing that.09:12
manchickenNow it's got me in /tmp/cdbs-new-patch.b17925/adept-2.1.2ubuntu3.new09:13
Tonio_manchicken: the problem is that as long as a patch fails to apply the other ones are ignored........09:13
manchickenWhen I ran the applypatch thing, it wasn't complaining.09:13
manchickenHow do I recreate your problem?09:13
Tonio_man untar the bz2 archive and perform a fakeroot debian/rules apply-patches09:14
Tonio_manchicken: and there are lots of messing files in your debian folder..........09:14
Tonio_.log files should be removed09:14
Tonio_etc....09:14
Tonio_manchicken: I'm trying to get the current adept package and then add just your kubuntu_03 patch09:15
Tonio_and test09:15
manchicken(feistydev)devuser@larry:~/kubuntu/adept/adept-2.1.2ubuntu3$ fakeroot ./debian/rules apply-patches09:15
manchickentest -x debian/rules09:15
manchickenmkdir -p "obj-x86_64-linux-gnu"09:15
Tonio_why creating this ?09:15
Tonio_ah that's the fakeroot thing sorry ;)09:16
manchickenThat's just what I get when I put that in there.09:16
Tonio_okay the problem is that you have a crappy structure....09:16
manchickenI get the same output with and without the fakeroot09:16
Tonio_all .log files should be removed etc......09:16
manchickenI did09:16
Tonio_that's why I only use cdbsto patch :)09:17
Tonio_okay letme test with a clean tree andyour patch09:17
Tonio_rying patch debian/patches/kubuntu_01_enable_sources_editor.diff at level 1 ...                                                                                                    success.09:18
Tonio_Trying patch debian/patches/kubuntu_02_archive_limit.diff at level 1 ... success                                                                                                   .09:18
Tonio_Trying patch debian/patches/kubuntu_03_sources_entry.diff at level 1 ... success                                                                                                   .09:18
Tonio_works........09:18
Tonio_manchicken: the problem is your crappy tree :)09:18
Tonio_take the adept source package and just add your patch that's work09:18
manchickenOOH!!!09:20
manchickenSo this thing will let you go in and make changes, and then when you exit(0) it'll make your patch?09:20
Tonio_http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/4109:20
Tonio_manchicken: eactly :)09:20
Tonio_without touching the tree content09:21
Tonio_manchicken: that's why I love it09:21
manchickenSo I don't even have to diff?09:21
Tonio_yup09:21
manchickenHell no...09:21
manchickenwhy didn't anybody say so?09:21
manchickenheh09:21
Tonio_manchicken: and if you need to apply big change, you even can mv files in the temp tree09:21
Tonio_the'll go in the patch too09:21
Tonio_manchicken: bah I just said that to you ;)09:21
manchickenSo I say 'cdbs-edit-patch kubuntu_03_sources_entry' and then make my changes?09:22
manchickenThen ^D?09:22
Tonio_manchicken: and the good thing with cdbs is that it applies existing patches in the temp folder09:23
Tonio_so that you're not messed up with changes in other patches etc......09:23
Tonio_all you have to do is do your changes and let cdbs do the stuff09:23
Tonio_manchicken: but your patch works, don't mind, simply put it in a clean adept source package09:23
Tonio_just apt-get source adept and add your patch, that'll work09:23
manchickenI've done that before.09:23
Tonio_manchicken: yup, that's the way to use it09:23
Tonio_manchicken: and that doesn't help ?09:24
Tonio_it builds with the patch here.........09:24
Tonio_just ran a debuild -S && sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc09:24
Tonio_the build goes with the patch, no problem09:25
nixternalcrimsun_: when you get a little time (maybe a few minutes), i have some audio related questions for you09:25
manchickenI didn't know to make my changes in cdbs-edit-patch09:26
Tonio_manchicken: okay09:26
manchickenIt's compiling now.09:28
ryanakcaok... What else should I package, seeing that the two packages I'm working on are kaput. first one bddebian and I spent 5-6 hours trying to get to build with no success, the other one someone else has claimed.09:28
manchickenIt says it applied it.09:28
manchickenThe build will tell for shizzle.09:28
Tonio_manchicken: but the crazy thing with cdbs-edit-patch is that you can edit an existing patch with it ;)09:28
manchickenOh?09:28
manchickenThat's insane.09:29
manchickenSeriously insane.09:29
Tonio_the only needed thing is that the patches have a .patch extension instead of .diff09:29
Tonio_if you have a kubuntu_01_bla.patch file09:29
manchickenI think that may be why it wasn't applying things.09:29
Tonio_you can edi the patch with cdbs-edit-patch kubuntu_01_bla09:29
manchickenSo perhaps it's not that this process is stupid...09:29
manchickenMaybe it's that it'09:29
manchickens advanced, but poorly documented.09:29
Tonio_you have to remove the extesion btw or that'll create a .patch.patch file :)09:29
Tonio_manchicken: yes, cdbs documentation is globally a pain, I agree09:30
Tonio_expecially the patchsys thing09:30
manchickenand as a result, I've burned an awful lot of time.09:30
manchickennixternal: Document cdbs ^_^09:30
Tonio_nixternal: hehe ;)09:30
Tonio_manchicken: you'll earn time in the future, that's the most important09:31
Tonio_just use it and your life will change09:31
manchickenheh09:32
Tonio_:)09:32
Tonio_manchicken: the man is quite complete btw09:32
crimsun_nixternal: hi. Is it a development-related issue? If not, we'll migrate to #kubuntu, thanks.09:32
nixternali can do that09:33
fdovingTonio_: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/cdbs-edit-diff for .diffs :)09:33
Tonio_fdoving: hu ? ;) hehe interesting :)09:34
fdovingit's cdbs-edit-patch with s/.patch/.diff/g basically.09:34
Tonio_fdoving: that's what I was just writing in fact hehe :)09:34
Tonio_I recently discovered the .diff.uu support in patchsys, that's pretty amazing too09:35
fdoving.. i don't rename things.. I edited cdbs-edit-patch to support .diffs, do you rename?09:35
fdovingdiff.uu support? what's that used for?09:35
Tonio_fdoving: no I use .patch extension09:35
Tonio_fdoving: well patch to add an image for example09:35
ryanakcais anybody packaging http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=31311 ?09:35
Tonio_you sometimes need binaries datas09:35
fdovingok. i find it easier to use .diff as most kde stuff is .diff09:36
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jpatrickryanakcha: I hate it when that happens09:36
Tonio_that's easier than having an svg file with a bunch of rules to convert to png and replace files09:36
fdovingTonio_: ok. i do that manually.. or have until now. How easy is it to use? do you have a example package?09:36
jpatrickryanakca: but the early packager gets.. the package done09:36
Tonio_fdoving: hum, we have a patch like this one in kdebase09:37
Tonio_it is a debian package to add a png file for wallpaper09:37
ryanakcajpatrick: yeah09:37
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Tonio_fdoving: you create it with a diff -Nura, but whazt is interesting is that you don't have any debian/rules file to perform to get it applied09:37
fdovingTonio_: it's automatic?09:38
Tonio_fdoving: but cdbs-edit-patch doesn't help to create this, you still have to diff and uuencode manually09:38
Tonio_fdoving: to apply, yes, but the patch creation is manual09:38
Tonio_you have to create it with diff and uuencode...09:38
fdovingTonio_: ah. I get it.09:39
fdovingnice feature.09:39
manchickenOkay, it looks like it added my file in the patch, but I still don't see a .o in the obj directory.09:44
Tonio_manchicken: is that supposed to be created during the build ?09:48
manchickenI would think so.09:49
manchickenBut I don't know this build process.09:49
manchickenI'm going to try and apply this patch and include the header and see if it'll build.09:49
ryanakcanote to all: dibs on solseek09:52
manchickenOkay, now it's failing to patch.09:57
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fdovingnite.10:50
jpatrickcya10:51
jdongimbrandon: ping11:00
imbrandonpong11:03
imbrandonjdong, ?11:04
jdongtyping11:04
imbrandonahh11:04
jdongimbrandon: I've got my ipod transferring videos now, needed libgpod 0.4.0 from feisty + recompile of amarok against it11:05
jdongimbrandon: only remaining problem is, the names always show up blank for videos11:05
manchickenWHY is this patch failing?11:05
imbrandonhrm that effect more than just amarok, ipod kio slave and a ton of gnome apps use that lib also11:05
manchickenTrying reverse patch debian/patches/kubuntu_04_sources_entry_more.patch at level 1 ... 0 ... 2 ... failure.11:05
manchickenmake: *** [reverse-patches]  Error 111:05
jdongimbrandon: I did recompile everythign on my system that rdepends on libgpod11:06
imbrandonright but what about banshee and other gnome apps11:06
jdongimbrandon: the newer gtkpods transfer video flawlessly, title and all11:06
manchickenAnybody know how I could troubleshoot this patch stupidity?11:07
jdongimbrandon: and amarok can "see" the titles on videos that gtkpod transferred11:07
imbrandonhrm ok, are you going to be on in a few hours? or can you email me your finding, i would like to investigate a little more BUT i JUST got a new computer mail order and i wanna put it togather11:07
jdongimbrandon: though editing and viewing the tags shows all blank11:07
imbrandonmanchicken, i do it by trial and error11:07
manchickenI have no idea why it's failing.11:07
jdongimbrandon: sure, no problem, ping me when you got a chance11:07
Tonio_manchicken: if your patch touche Makefiles.in files for example, it'll not be possibleto reverse it after they are re-generated11:07
manchickenLike, I don't know if it's a merge conflict, a code problem, why.11:07
imbrandonjdong, ok i'm guessing 3 hours to unpack everthing and load the os etc11:07
Tonio_man are you touching a makefile.in file for example ?11:07
manchickenIt should only be touching source files.11:08
jdongimbrandon: ok, thanks for your time, enjoy your new system!11:08
imbrandon4 core 3gz system :)11:08
imbrandon( 2x dual core )11:08
imbrandon:)11:08
Tonio_man can you tar.gz all the patches please ? I'll try to implement them11:08
imbrandonheya Tonio_11:09
Tonio_I'll fix them or eventually try to figure out why they don't apply11:09
Tonio_hey imbrandon :)11:09
Tonio_imbrandon: I'll place the laptop order tomorrow probably11:09
imbrandonTonio_, rockin11:09
imbrandonjust lemme know11:09
Tonio_christmas is giving me hard time actually11:09
imbrandon:)11:09
Tonio_yup of course11:09
imbrandonnp, me too11:09
imbrandonand tomarrow is my bday sooo11:09
imbrandonheh11:09
Tonio_manchicken: I'm waiting for a mail with the patches you have :)11:09
imbrandoni'll probably be very sloshed tomarrow11:09
imbrandonTonio_, ^11:09
Tonio_hehe11:10
manchickenI'll fight it later.11:10
imbrandonmanchicken, yea Tonio_ is the "get patch working king"11:10
manchickenheh11:10
imbrandonbtw what ever happened with your kaffeine patches Tonio_11:10
imbrandonare we gonna use them?11:10
manchickenI'm going to be going downstate for a while in a short while.11:10
imbrandonor not this time11:10
Tonio_imbrandon: hu ? not more than another one :)11:10
imbrandon:)11:11
Tonio_imbrandon: nope we're not gonna use them, since a lot of people were complaning about the idea.......11:11
imbrandonTonio_, your better at getting rouge patches working than i sometimes11:11
imbrandonTonio_, awe, ok11:11
Tonio_imbrandon: so I just removed all the audio mimetypes by default and that's it11:11
imbrandonkk11:11
Tonio_imbrandon: well as long as I understand what the patch does yes it is okay11:12
Tonio_imbrandon: but the fact I can't code C++ sometimes gives me hard time too :)11:12
imbrandonheh11:12
imbrandonok time to put the new system togather bbiab11:12
Tonio_seya11:12
Tonio_manchicken: ?11:14
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jdongimbrandon: Some tell me I need amarok --with-mp4v2; gonna try that :)11:14
manchickenI'm going to be out of town until January soon.11:14
imbrandonjdong, sure but that wont fly in main11:15
imbrandonmp4v2 support requires stuff from multiverse11:15
jdongimbrandon: I understand that...11:15
jdongimbrandon: that also means amarok currently can't tag AAC m4a's ,right?11:16
imbrandoncorrect11:16
crimsun_imbrandon: if he files a bug, just reject it and then poke him in the FACE.11:16
imbrandoncrimsun_, hehe11:16
jdongcrimsun_: don't make me bug you about --enable-x264 in deb_rules_risky of ffmpeg :D11:20
crimsun_did you mark the bug wishlist?11:21
jdongimbrandon: ok, in that case I'll continue using good old gtkpod for transfering m4v's . thanks for your time11:22
jdongcrimsun_: (1) haven't had time to file it yet , (2) I can't change Importance....11:22
crimsun_file it, tell me the bug#11:22
jdongok11:22
jdongcrimsun_:   Bug 7635411:28
UbugtuMalone bug 76354 in ffmpeg "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=risky should enable x264" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7635411:28
crimsun_REJECTED.11:29
manchickenLater all.11:35
jdongcrimsun_: you almost had me boiling mad there ;-)11:40
crimsun_then we'd be tit-for-tat11:40
jdongaww, I love you too, crimsun_11:41
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