[12:27] Is there a way to get dpkg-buildpackage to leave objects and configure cache? === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-005-124.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nuku [n=j@unaffiliated/nuku] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:48] Who wrote this thing? [12:48] Many of the comments are in what looks like maybe polish? === manchicken is not multi-lingual. [12:49] manchicken: this thing? [12:50] manchicken: you mean adept? [12:51] Yeah. [12:51] manchicken: all I see are english comments [12:51] manchicken: file? line? [12:52] view.cpp [12:52] adept/view.cpp that is [12:52] (not libadept) [12:53] you mean the joke at the bottom? [12:54] :o) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:56] I have no idea what that is. [12:56] I speak English and Emacs ^_^ [12:56] That's it. [12:56] I'm not sure if the answer to the question "How many Existentialists do you need to screw a lightbulb?" would be of any use to you in hacking Adept :o) [12:57] What language is that? [12:57] czech [12:57] Ah. [12:57] One of the many languages I have no idea where to begin with. [12:58] I was going to guess Polish. [12:58] But I have no idea. === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:59] that comment is not helpful at all. [12:59] don't worry [12:59] heh [12:59] I hope real comments are more helpful ;) [01:03] Ack, hard-codes. [01:08] Ack, libadept is using only half Qt.... [01:08] Using fstream instead of qfile... [01:30] Ooh, so this thing just hits dpkg on the shell escape and such? === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:35] We **REALLY** need to take the hardcodes out of there. === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@s64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:57] I think I'm going to try to rework some of this libadept. === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.49.220.52] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:16] Anybody home? [02:18] No one here but us mice :) [02:18] I'm trying to figure out what to do with adept. [02:18] Some of this code is just awful. [02:19] Like, really awful. [02:26] So fix it :-) [02:28] I'm thinking about it. [02:28] Are you a C++/Qt feller? [02:29] Nah, I'm a rodeo clown basically [02:30] I'm not sure if what I'm thinking I should clean up is really worth the time. === Jucato thinks Adept needs a lot of love... but where's mornfall? [02:30] It works, and it doesn't look particularly terrible, but it's got a lot of hard-codes and a lot of libc stuff where I think Qt usage would be more appropriate. [02:31] I've been cleaning up gnumach, how bad could Adept be? :-) [02:31] I'm also noticing that some of these methods have a lot of side-effects. [02:32] I just need someone who's at least marginally familiar with this codebase to help me decide whether or not to go on a Qt-ifying crusade. [02:32] manchicken: aside from it's creator (mornfall), I think Riddel is the only other person on the planet familiar with it === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-197-83.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:33] Is thinking QFile should be used and passed around more than FILE*'s nit-picky or is it actually a valid concern? [02:34] I mean, if we're going to use libc, let's not require Qt... but if we're going to use Qt, let's USE Qt. [02:34] Also, those path hardcodes have got to go. [02:35] Maybe even moved into a hardcodes.h until we can work them into the build file. [02:35] err, build process. [02:36] manchicken: no one else is really familiar with it, mornfall is the author and has taken an extended vacation, it also needs alot of UI love too ( seele can tell you about that one ) [02:36] and any work you do on it would be very very very aprerciated [02:37] btw moins seele bddebian manchicken mhb [02:37] and anyone else arround atm [02:37] moin imbrandon! :) [02:37] imbrandon: I'm just a hacker with freetime and a short attention span (and a case of Sam Adams). If you have anything specific you'd like to see done, I'm certainly willing to consider it. [02:37] Those tabs in kde-systemsettings were actually Riddell's idea, not mine ^_^ [02:38] manchicken: can i make you a list and you just start picking off items at your leasure ? heheh ( i wont have time to make it untill late tonight or tomarrow ) [02:38] :P [02:38] I'll lead development efforts at work, here I'd like to be more of a follower. [02:38] sure [02:38] imbrandon: I can't think of anything you could do that I would like more. [02:38] rockin [02:38] I'll be up for a few more hours. [02:39] k [02:39] the next 3 days are my days off from work soooo i'll have lots of time [02:39] imbrandon: you packaged some qmake + qt4 + cdbs apps? [02:39] I'm off until Janiary. [02:39] just as soon as i fix my damn mail server :) [02:39] That'd be January [02:39] heh [02:39] ryanakca: tons [02:39] ryanakca: well not tons but quite a few [02:39] oh, and, how can one figure out what files in ~/.kde are used by System Settings [02:39] imbrandon: perfect... mind helping me with a few things? [02:40] sure, shoot , if i can i will [02:40] imbrandon: An abstract question... in a Qt-based app, if you saw something using FILE* and passing it around all over the place, would you replace it with QFile? [02:40] and and thing in ~/.kde that is in system setting should be used [02:40] ryanakca: ^ [02:40] manchicken: yea [02:41] Okie dokie. [02:41] I'll try to clean up some of this adept code while I wait for your list. [02:41] rock on, adept is like top on my "wish was fixed up a bit" list [02:41] I'm not the most practiced C++ hacker on earth, but I can work it. [02:41] :) [02:42] Actually, I kinda hate "standard" C++. [02:42] imbrandon: lost me... and and thing in ~/.kde.. [02:42] [15:35] rrrrg. Ok, I've figured out the problem. only thing is how to fix it. Problem: building creates obj-i486-linux-gnu, cd's to that directory, runs qmake-qt4 -o Makefile monkey.pro, but can't find monkey.pro, becaus monkey.pro is in the previous directory. If I change the rules to run qmake-qt4 -o Makefile monkey.pro, it then looks for obj-i486-linux-gnu/../../src, when infact, it should be looking for [02:42] obj-i486-linux-gnu/../src. [02:43] [15:36] http://dpaste.com/3866/ [02:43] imbrandon: ^^ [02:44] wow thats some makefile vodo from hell [02:44] umm hold on [02:44] if you want my rules + qmake-qt4, http://dpaste.com/3871/ [02:44] lol [02:53] I wish KDE was as well documented as Qt. [02:53] manchicken: you messed around with System Settings, right? [02:54] Yeah. [02:54] Hopefully I didn't screw it up too bad. [02:54] ;) [02:54] hmm... (good job on the tabs, btw... much better than the buttons)... I have a question [02:54] lol [02:54] better than anything I could do [02:54] Sure, what's up? [02:54] I doubt that. [02:55] Folks don't know what they can do until they put their mind to it. [02:55] I've just started learning python [02:55] (remember, I'm a Perl hacker for a living) [02:55] anything I could do at the moment [02:55] give me a decade... maybe [02:55] Psht. [02:55] You think I went to school for this? [02:55] lol [02:55] I've been hacking for a while. [02:55] none of us do / did afaik :) not the good ones atleaste :) [02:56] Picked up C when I was 12 (thus the C++ hatred). [02:56] brb === ryanakca just started programming... packaging for a while [02:56] C at the age of 12? [02:56] You just gotta get into it man. [02:56] holy.. I'm falling behind [02:56] When I was 12 we didn't I didn't have access to Free software. === ryanakca gets working === ryanakca turned 14 a couple of months ago... [02:56] Borland Turbo C++ and a book man. [02:57] lol, Accelerated C++? [02:57] No, just a bad compiler with a quasai-cool name. [02:57] And an even worse IDE. [02:57] no, the book [02:57] We're talking DOS days. [02:57] Oh, the book. [02:58] Naw, it was the Turbo C++ manual, and then some other things I'd picked up. [02:58] ah [02:58] My dad's a hacker too. [02:58] dcc the screenie to you? [02:58] that helps [02:58] Sure if you want. [02:58] or e-mail? [02:58] kk [02:58] Do you actually have a question though? I think I missed it. [02:59] yes, the screenshot explains it all :) [02:59] offering... should be an accept button popping up somewheres [02:59] Failed to connect. [02:59] Probably a firewall issue. [02:59] yeah... my iptables :) [03:00] Just email to manchicken@notsosoft.net if you want. [03:00] kk === manchicken likes guarddog. === manchicken is a lazy GUI-lovin' bastage. === manchicken also talks in /mes too much. === ryanakca sent it === ryanakca thinks the problem will be obvious [03:01] Have I told you how much I love kontact? [03:02] lol? [03:03] Okay, it may just be the two beers and three Jager shots, but I can't see the problem. [03:03] (though this is since the bears won in overtime around 5-6 hours ago) [03:04] there aren't any keyboard layouts available? [03:05] Ah. [03:05] even if I check "Enable keyboard layouts"? [03:05] That I don't know. [03:05] Are you in a chroot or pbuilder? [03:07] no [03:07] Weird. [03:07] I've never seen that. [03:07] That's not really kde-systemsettings though. That's the actual module itself. [03:07] but I've tried moving .kde to .kde.bak and restarting... same preoblem [03:07] ah [03:08] kde-systemsettings and kcontrol both use KSycoca modules for all of that stuff. [03:08] I think that may be a more global config issue. [03:08] Feisty? [03:12] heh [03:12] manchicken: i had scrolled up earlier in here right, to where they said thanks for the tabs right...and never scrolled down [03:13] heh [03:13] Very nice. [03:13] i was wondering why my |15| in my status kept highlighting and i didn't see anything there [03:13] heh [03:13] i thought it was new :0 [03:13] finally got nixternal.com [03:13] probably won't even use it, but at $22 i couldn't pass it up [03:14] heh [03:15] manchicken: edgy [03:15] I've got a nice deal with railsplayground.net [03:15] ryanakca: Have you done anything weird lately? [03:15] nixternal: $9/mo for amazing hosting service. [03:15] ya, and then used a promo code to get $97 off [03:16] manchicken: um... well... no [03:17] ryanakca: I've never seen that problem before. [03:18] nixternal: you seen it? [03:20] what am i looking for? [03:28] nixternal: just a sec... nixternal @ ubuntu dot com ? [03:29] ya === manchicken screams... [03:30] i didn't hear you, louder! [03:30] sent [03:32] wow, that is an odd one [03:32] yeah [03:32] any ideas? [03:32] been like that for a couple of weeks now [03:32] feisty? [03:32] I've moved .kde to .kde.bak and restarted [03:32] edgy [03:33] hmm [03:33] didn't do anything [03:33] same in kkbswitch [03:34] It's official... [03:34] I have no idea what to do with adept. [03:34] rm -rf it [03:34] apt-get --purge [03:34] apt-get --please_leave [03:35] only thing i like about it is the adept notifier [03:35] It looks like it works... but some of that code is not what I would consider the cleanest. [03:35] I love using adept. [03:35] I'm just not loving hacking it. [03:35] apt-cache search it, then apt-get it === freeflying_ [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:41] nixternal: lemme know if you think of anything [03:42] roger wilco [03:42] imbrandon: figured it out? want the source dir? [03:44] anywais, I'm heading to bed... G'night [03:50] imbrandon: ping === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.193.244] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:51] pong [03:52] Got anything less infuriating than adept needs work? ;) [03:52] hehe [03:52] hrm , not at the moment ( i'm sure there is plenty on LP but i havent looked ) [03:53] one sec brb [03:59] *cough*kssh*cough* ;-) [04:00] bddebian: Do you really want help with it? [04:00] bddebian: If you want to walk me through it I can try to help. [04:01] But I'm pretty new to the packaging scene. [04:01] Actually I don't think it's a packaging issue. I think there is something weird in the build system when building outside of the source dir [04:04] Well, give me a task and I'll see what I can do. [04:08] Don't sweat it unless ryanakca really wants it :-) [04:10] I'm just looking for SOMETHING to hack. [04:11] Well you are always welcome to come over to the dark side of gnumach and Hurd :-) [04:12] I'm hoping for feature adds or small and specific bug fixes to do since I'm not the greatest C++ guy ever. [04:12] Eh, I'm using too much hardware that lacks free software drivers. [04:12] (last bloody HP laptop I'll ever buy) [04:12] heh [04:14] What do you get if you multiply six by nine? [04:15] whoops wrong chan [04:15] ( hehe ) [04:16] Nice. [04:16] :) [04:18] hahaha [04:19] imbrandon: you hanging out in #3rd_grade? [04:20] nix thats from hitchikers guide to the galaxy [04:20] a refrence [04:20] :) [04:20] nixternal: hehe [04:21] oh ya [04:21] nic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Scrabble_6x9.jpg [04:21] err nix [04:21] 42, the answer to life universe and everything or something like that [04:21] i get it now :) [04:24] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/anti-piracy <-- Bad idea [04:30] is it still possible to pirate winxp? i thought that genuine crap fixed all that [04:31] who cares? [04:31] heh [04:32] I think we should stop using their word for sharing. [04:32] It's sharing, not pirating. [04:32] heh [04:33] It's not stealing, it's not piracy, and I would even argue that it's not wrong. [04:33] Richard, is that you? [04:33] heh [04:33] My name is Mike ;) [04:33] And I don't really care for the north-east ;) [04:34] You're in IL? [04:35] Yeah. [04:35] Whereabouts? I grew up East of Peoria, North of Bloomington [04:35] I'm on the south side of Chicago. [04:36] Oh, Bad, Bad, Leroy Brown? ;-P [04:36] heh [04:46] I really need something to do. [04:47] um... is anyone here familiar about compiling another version of an app (say, from SVN) in a place other than /usr/ or /usr/local/ ? [04:48] Using apt? [04:49] bddebian: we are chicagoans homey :) [04:49] no. compiling from source (from SVN) [04:50] East of Peoria + North of Bloomington == Normal, LaSalle, Peru, Kankakee.... [04:50] An itty, bitty town called Benson [04:51] In fact I grew up on a farm [04:51] I set the correct --prefix and it compiled properly. and it runs. I've also added the directory to $PATH. if I launch it from the command line, it runs the correct version (SVN). but if I launch it from the K Menu or Alt+F2, it launches the original version [04:51] whoa, ya, never heard of Benson..that is a new one [04:51] Jucato: Just configure --prefix=SOMEPATH [04:51] Population: 500 [04:51] i go hunting down in that area as well (farming, canton, pekin) [04:51] s/farming/farmington [04:52] manchicken: I did. like I said, running it from the command line works properly. but launching it from KDE doesn't... are there any other environment variables I need to set up? [04:52] Roanoke, Eureka, Metamora? [04:52] Minonk? [04:52] ahhh [04:52] Metamora, Eureka (football team used to rock int he 80s) [04:52] ya [04:52] Jucato: Is it a program you've got installed elsewhere as well? [04:52] Yeah [04:52] i know that area a little bit [04:52] Metamora kicked some butt in hs football thsi season [04:53] manchicken: yes. it's Konversation. 1.0.1 is installed by default (from the repos). I compiled another one from SVN [04:53] the command line recognizes which version to run ("which konversation"), but not KDE [04:54] Jucato: Try absolutely pathing it. [04:54] wow, that is interesting...kmenuedit shows it runs konversation from /usr/bin and not from /usr/share or something else? [04:54] yep. absolute paths work... isn't there a way to make it automatic? [04:54] Jucato: .desktop file should do it right? [04:54] nixternal: strange. my konversation.desktop doesn't include any path information... [04:55] (the one from /usr/share/applications/kde) [04:55] It shouldn't [04:55] Exec=konversation -caption "%c" %i %m [04:55] Nor should the icon [04:55] thats what is in mine [04:56] nixternal: ditto [04:56] so it should follow what's in $PATH right? [04:56] it should [04:56] in my PATH, the directory where I installed Konvi SVN (/opt/kdevel/install/bin) is the first entry... [04:57] any other env variables I need to setup up? (I've setup KDEDIRS in /etc/profile) [04:58] btw, this doesn't happen if the app I compiled is the only version of that app installed (KPlayer) [04:59] so for it to run 2 different versions that means there are 2 different versions running [04:59] which is odd [04:59] nixternal: not running at the same time [04:59] i would have thought it would have overwritten it [04:59] ya i know...i mean 'konversation' runs in 2 different versions [04:59] yeah :) [05:00] Sho_ also finds it weird. he's the one who taught me how to build it from SVN. everything went smoothly up to that point [05:00] he said that setting up the correct $PATH and $KDEDIRS in /etc/profile should have worked. unless Kubuntu implements a different system [05:01] Are you working on kde4? [05:01] manchicken: heh no. I'm still learning C++ remember? :) [05:02] but I'm also trying to learn how to build from SVN and stuff... then later how to make packages the Kubuntu way [05:02] There's no such thing as "learning" ;) [05:02] There is hack or no hack. [05:02] ^_^ [05:02] heh === bddebian == no hack [05:03] I'm not as experienced as you :P === Jucato suddenly remembers that he lost all his notes about errors and corrections for the Kubuntu Desktop Guide... [05:03] Heh, I'm experienced? [05:03] manchicken: obviously :) [05:04] I'm not sure I would say that. [05:04] I'm certainly not C++ experienced. [05:05] heh but still more experienced than me :P [05:05] Well get hacking. [05:05] I'd love to... once I figure this problem out [05:05] see, I have to run Konvi from the command line everytime I want the svn version running [05:06] Or you could just update your menus... [05:07] to use absolute path, right? [05:07] yup [05:07] and I have to do that everytime I compile an svn version of an app that's already installed, right? === Jucato senses some serious editing once he decides to compile kdebase or konqueror... [05:07] Not if it's always built into the same location [05:08] bddebian: I always put stuff I compile from SVN in /opt/kdevel (separating source, build, and install) [05:09] so far, it's only residents are Konversation and KPlayer (from CVS...) [05:09] imbrandon: you know anything needing doing? [05:09] manchicken: Start packaging ;-) === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.117.48] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=vlos@206.248.117.48] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-034-202.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:24] I KNOW! I'll make a sources.list editor! [05:25] manchicken: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AdeptUsability [05:26] That's what I'm pulling it from ^_^ [05:26] would be nice if it also had a way to see changelogs, like in Synaptic (which donwloads from the changelogs site) or KPackage (takes from the changelog file in the package) [05:27] That would require me to actually care about the ugly code in the dpkgpm sources. [05:27] manchicken: that sources.list editor will definitely be a great thing. as it is, it's already hard to explain how to add multiverse in Adept :) [05:27] (they end up adding/enabling the wrong repos) [05:28] anyway... gotta eat some lunch. thanks for the help earlier manchicken, nixternal, bddebian [05:28] :) [05:28] (I'll probably ask again later :P ) [05:29] no problem [05:29] i need food as well, im hungry [05:30] np === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:35] Hobbsee!!! :) [06:36] w00t! Hobbsee! [06:36] What's goin' on? [06:36] hey Jucato, manchicken! === Hobbsee has escaped work, and brought home lunch [06:36] hehe kool! :) [06:37] heh === Hobbsee also got to waste 15 mins at work chatting - hooray! [06:37] How does one add a file to the build process? Or will it just add itself? [06:37] er, plus the other....10 or so, chatting to other people [06:41] If I add a new file, how do I add it to the build and package process? [06:41] Im guessing there's just a manifest file somewhere. === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:42] add a new file to an already built package? [06:42] yeah [06:42] like you did 'apt-get source blah' and now you added something to blah? [06:42] yeah [06:42] ok, you need to have blah.orig and blah [06:42] you edit blah [06:42] once youre done with blah you 'diff -Nru blah.org blah >blah.diff' [06:43] place that blah.diff in the blah/debian/patches/ directory [06:43] then in debian/rules call cdbs patchsys [06:44] Seriously? [06:44] I would have thought it would be as simple as just adding it to the autoconf process. [06:44] manchicken: are you adding it to upstream? [06:44] manchicken: ie, will your file be in the release tarballs that they put on their sites? [06:44] I may be, if it doesn't suck when I'm donw with it. [06:44] done* [06:45] I'm trying to implement the sources.list edit widget described in the usability guide. === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-176-116.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@89.241.58.30] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-176-116.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [08:03] seele, ahh whoops , guess that was my fault for not noticing heh [08:07] imbrandon: Did you email me your list? (manchicken@notsosoft.net) [08:07] nope not yet, still compiling some things [08:07] ummm [08:07] sorry i'm a bit slow tonight [08:08] I started some stuff with implementing the usability guide's reccomendation for sources management in adept. [08:08] nice [08:08] yea thats very much needed [08:08] :) [08:09] I need to figure out how to add files to a package. [08:09] There should be a wiki on normal build operation processes and how they relate to packaging in dpkg. [08:09] There probably is. [08:09] I'm half asleep. It's 0110, I'm gonna hit the hay. [08:09] !package guide [08:10] hrm no ubotu in here [08:10] heh [08:10] I'll check you later. [08:10] and Ubotwo doesn't seem to be here either [08:10]