[12:16] <drkm> whats the difference between a KDE theme and a KDM theme?
[12:17] <BluesKaj> dunno
[12:18] <drkm> ok
[12:19] <BluesKaj> someone here prolly knows
[12:19] <bioticpro> cloakable, you think before or after xmas is better for a deal?
[12:20] <fdoving> drkm: kdm is the login manager, ie. the screen where you input username/password. KDE is what appears after you've logged in.
[12:20] <cloakable> bioticpro: Wouldn't know :) I buy secondhand
[12:20] <drkm> ahh ok
[12:20] <drkm> fdov: is there a special way to install kde themes or does it do it like when you install a mouse theme .. just click install theme?
[12:21] <fdoving> drkm: should be stright forward.
[12:21] <bioticpro> cloakable, I usually do also, but I got a befenfactor whants to get me one
[12:21] <cloakable> bioticpro: Can I recommend an alienware laptop? :P
[12:22] <bioticpro> cloakable, I wish, thats little too much green ;)
[12:22] <Jucato> drkm: http://docs.kde.org/userguide/customizing-desktop.html
[12:23] <bioticpro> cloakable, I still cant find an IBM lappy with at least 17" screen
[12:23] <cloakable> bioticpro: http://www.thinkwiki.org
[12:25] <cloakable> bioticpro: Yeah, seems you're right.
[12:26] <SnDPhoenix> damn, i need help with kubuntu
[12:26] <SnDPhoenix> can anyone here help?
[12:27] <__osh__> !ask
[12:27] <Ubotwo> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:27] <matthew> !anyone | SnDPhoenix
[12:27] <Ubotwo> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[12:27] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, what's the problem?
[12:27] <cloakable> bioticpro: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:Z_Series - biggest screen on IBM, apparently.
[12:27] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, what are you having trouble with?
[12:28] <SnDPhoenix> alright well i dled the kubuntu 6.10 lived/install cd, burned it and when i try to boot from it, the x server crashes with the error, "fatal error, no screens found"
[12:28] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, the liveCD crashes?
[12:28] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, do you have an ATI card?
[12:28] <SnDPhoenix> yes i do
[12:28] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, that's the problem.
[12:29] <SnDPhoenix> it is an x300/x500
[12:29] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, I'm not sure if you can load modules for graphics cards from a liveCD...might want to google around.
[12:29] <bioticpro> cloakable, yeah, looks like 15.4 is biggest, Im going with Toshiba likely, or HP
[12:29] <matthew> ATI is notorious for not releasing drivers for linux for its cards...as opposed to nvidia.
[12:30] <cloakable> bioticpro: Good luck :) Though linux is pretty good on laptops now.
[12:30] <matthew> !ati
[12:30] <Ubotwo> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:30] <matthew> !ati | SnDPhoenix
[12:31] <Whopper> How do you make windows transparent?
[12:32] <matthew> Whopper, right-click on the window bar and select Advanced settings -> Application settings
[12:32] <bioticpro> cloakable, thx, gotta free up the phone line now, later
[12:32] <Whopper> thanks :D
[12:32] <SnDPhoenix> hmm, well heres what happens, it says that x server could not start "would you like to view the output" i hit yes, it then displays the output, i hit ok and it says "would you like to view the detailed output" i say yes, then it says something like please configure ...then restart, i hit ok and it brings me to an oversized, screen-filled, command prompt
[12:32] <matthew> Whopper, you can also go through the kcontrol menu
[12:32] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, are you competent in the terminal?
[12:33] <SnDPhoenix> not really, depends on what i need to type, i might know it
[12:33] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, you might want to d/l the alternate install disc...it's totally CLI, so no problem with X...then when you get it installed, you can fool with graphics...
[12:34] <lordvader> hallo
[12:34] <SnDPhoenix> hmm, where do i get the cli version, all i can find is the livecd version and the server edition
[12:35] <Sanne> SnDPhoenix: you mean the alternate cd? Same place as the live cd usually.
[12:35] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, where are you in the world?
[12:35] <SnDPhoenix> lol, florida
[12:35] <matthew> ok, h/o
[12:36] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/linux/ubuntu/releases/kubuntu/edgy/
[12:37] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, I would use bittorrent to d/l it...do you know how to do that?
[12:37] <SnDPhoenix> yeah i have uTorrent and im profecient in bittorrent
[12:37] <matthew> ok, look for the following line...it's about half-way down the page...
[12:37] <matthew> kubuntu-6.10-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[12:38] <ikonia> proficient in bittorrent
[12:38] <ikonia> ??
[12:38] <ikonia> how is that a "skill"
[12:38] <SnDPhoenix> actually linux is the only thing i aint proficient , but anyways yeah i see it, only prob is i want to use a dl manager
[12:38] <matthew> !etiquette | ikonia
[12:38] <Ubotwo> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !AskTheBot - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[12:39] <matthew> ikonia, be nice.
[12:39] <SnDPhoenix> lol, yeah, sounds silly, i wasnt thinking, but yeah, i need the http version
[12:40] <matthew> if you d/l with http, you are at greater risk for errors and corruption...
[12:41] <SnDPhoenix> actually i think it depends on what you use, for example Flashget tends to cause corrupted dls, whereas IDM doesnt
[12:41] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, whatever floats your boat...
[12:42] <SnDPhoenix> so the only diff between the alternate disk and the livecd is that it doesnt contain the x server right?
[12:42] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, no, it doesn't install the xserver as a default, I think.
[12:43] <SnDPhoenix> oh, so it is availible if you want it, but not turned on by default
[12:43] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, exactly
[12:43] <DaveQB> dont think so
[12:43] <Sanne> SnDPhoenix: the normal alternate cd does install an x server, just the same as the live cd.
[12:43] <matthew> I actually think that only the installer is text only...it might boot into a gui.
[12:43] <matthew> by default
[12:43] <DaveQB> Alt means the Ncurses installer and a few other options
[12:44] <dsmith_> adept updater wont load?  APT database could not be opened?
[12:44] <Sanne> SnDPhoenix: the difference is only the installer, which is text based.
[12:44] <DaveQB> yes it does mathew
[12:44] <DaveQB> dsmith_  try apt-cache search adept
[12:44] <matthew> DaveQB, oh, ok.
[12:44] <SnDPhoenix> oh, so it wouldnt even use X because it is gui based?
[12:44] <SnDPhoenix> isnt*
[12:44] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, the installer won't, but the OS will.
[12:44] <DaveQB> like Mathew said
[12:45] <SnDPhoenix> well, yeah, obviously, but as long as the installer is text based im good, (i hope)
[12:45] <DaveQB> the installer offers some other options too, good for low spec machines too
[12:45] <matthew> DaveQB goes FTW
[12:45] <SnDPhoenix> well damn, this is like a stripped version is it, i hope alot of stuff wasnt removed, to make the os "lighter"
[12:46] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, you're not getting it...everything gets installed, but the installer is just text-based
[12:46] <dsmith_> thx dave, I was trying to update via the GUI
[12:46] <dsmith_> via terminal that line just gave me a listing
[12:47] <SnDPhoenix> yes i am getting it believe me, its just dave confused me when he said "...good for low spec machines too"
[12:47] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, ok...sorry, I didn't mean to be rude,
[12:47] <SnDPhoenix> nah, im used to it, (ikonia was being that way)
[12:48] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: I wasn't being rude to you
[12:48] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, yeah, but it reflects poorly on the whole community!
[12:48] <ikonia> I spend 30 minutes trying to help you in #xorg before I guided you in here
[12:48] <ikonia> you chose not to listen
[12:48] <ikonia> I was very patient with you
[12:48] <DaveQB> dsmith_  hmm then it seems apt-get is working
[12:48] <matthew> ikonia, you were belittling SnDPhoenix for proficency in bittorrent
[12:48] <SnDPhoenix> i DID, listen, its just everything you typed, i either already tried or didnt work
[12:48] <ikonia> yes, because I'd spent 30 minutes
[12:49] <matthew> ikonia, at least, that's what I saw
[12:49] <ikonia> I was losing patience
[12:49] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: you didn't try ANYTHING
[12:49] <matthew> ikonia, SnDPhoenix , stop talking to each other, please
[12:49] <ikonia> yes
[12:49] <matthew> !attitude
[12:49] <Ubotwo> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:49] <ikonia> happy to
[12:49] <DaveQB> dsmith_  did you try adept again ?
[12:49] <ikonia> but I won't be slated for being rude when I've spent 30 minutes helping someone
[12:49] <DaveQB> dsmith_  re-launch it
[12:49] <SnDPhoenix> yes i did TRY EVERYTHING, how do you think i was able to tell you the output messages i was recieving
[12:50] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, it's over. I'm sorry ikonia wasn't able to solve your problem.
[12:50] <SnDPhoenix> ive been at this kubuntu installation for 2 damn days, sheesh
[12:50] <dsmith_> ok I found my problem
[12:50] <SnDPhoenix> ok matthew
[12:50] <dsmith_> the sources list was mistyped
[12:50] <ikonia> http://www.figleaves.com/uk/product.asp?product_id=JNA-Y91996&mci=&size=&colour=&image=r3584-p161525-p00000-style
[12:50] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, I understand your frustration...do you have a crappy nvidia card laying around?
[12:50] <ikonia> oops
[12:50] <ikonia> sorry
[12:50] <ikonia> stupid mouse click
[12:50] <ikonia> apologies
[12:50] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, if so, pop it in there
[12:50] <SnDPhoenix> lol, nope, just my ati card
[12:51] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, hmmm, any other computers that you can swap a vid card out of?
[12:51] <dsmith_> mmmmmmm fig newons
[12:51] <dsmith_> *newtons
[12:51] <matthew> if all else fails, grab a crappy nvidia from ebay
[12:51] <SnDPhoenix> damn, no, i wish though, maybe i wouldnt get the x server prob
[12:51] <ikonia> matthew: am I missing something, why can't he install using the alternate CD and then just configure ati drivers on his real system
[12:52] <SnDPhoenix> lol, it seems you guys dont like nvidia do you
[12:52] <dsmith_> hey since when is nvidia crappy?
[12:52] <dsmith_> i iprefer nvidia over at
[12:52] <DaveQB> dsmith_  hmmm curious apt-cache worked, I guess it mustnt use the sources.list file. Learn something new ...
[12:52] <SnDPhoenix> well, you keep calling them crappy, lol
[12:52] <DaveQB> nvidia is awesome
[12:52] <SnDPhoenix> i agree, i wish i had one.
[12:52] <DaveQB> maybe just the card is crappy
[12:53] <SnDPhoenix> probaly get one for the holidays
[12:53] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, no I meant an old one.
[12:53] <dsmith_> the forgot to solder one of the micro cpas on the board
[12:53] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, nvidia is good because it releases drivers for its cards.
[12:53] <SnDPhoenix> yeah, ati never released drivers
[12:54] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, the only reason we can use them is cause someone reverse-engineered the card, to a point
[12:54] <SnDPhoenix> also nvidia's quality seems better, BUT, i do think ati's are more "stable"
[12:54] <dsmith_> in defense of ATI, they have released drivers fro my vid. card when I had it
[12:54] <ikonia> matthew: am I missing something, why can't he install using the alternate CD and then just configure ati drivers on his real system
[12:54] <SnDPhoenix> but not very often
[12:54] <matthew> dsmith_, hmmm, interesting...what card?
[12:54] <dsmith_> Nvid: is better, less stable yes
[12:55] <dsmith_> it came with a my dell...
[12:55] <dsmith_> ummmmm
[12:55] <dsmith_> figurs you ask me that, I have to look and see
[12:55] <matthew> lol
[12:56] <phobiac> Whenever I try to use apt-get in the command line to install or remove a package, it tries to force me to remove a bunch of packages that have been for some reason labled to be "autoremove". Typing sudo apt-get autoremove does the same thing, but I can't find any info on autoremove in the manuals. Some of the packages it wants to remove are actually useful, like a few things konqueror depends on, K3b, and Kate. I can't figure out how to ge
[12:56] <matthew> my ati card works, but a lot of features are dead, like tv-in, tv-out 3d acceleration, openGL, etc
[12:56] <SnDPhoenix> dsmith: you could run Everest and check what card you have
[12:57] <dsmith_> I know what everest is
[12:57] <dsmith_> I am not home though
[12:57] <dsmith_> one sec
[12:57] <BluesKaj> There are some fglrx open source drivers for ATI cards at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[12:57] <SnDPhoenix> oh
[12:57] <SnDPhoenix> i tried the fglrx but it didnt work
[12:57] <dsmith_> did you mean liux drivers or windows?
[12:57] <matthew> BluesKaj, yeah, but that doesn't cover my card...it's too old...rage 128 pro
[12:58] <BluesKaj> bummer, matthew
[12:58] <BluesKaj> :(
[12:58] <matthew> BluesKaj, yeah, I know...I spent 6 hours on here last week with a super guy (genii) who helped me...but nothing worked. Bleagh
[12:59] <SnDPhoenix> hey misc question, what do you think is better, nvidia's 8800xt or their older, more supported 7800xt?
[12:59] <dsmith_> i dont know, I want top replace the ATI card that I have though
[12:59] <dsmith_> I was looking at the 7800
[12:59] <ikonia> the later cards are obviously better
[01:00] <ikonia> driver support will probably lag a little
[01:00] <SnDPhoenix> yeah, the 8800xt just came out so there is barely any support
[01:00] <dsmith_> the one I have in my dell is  ATI 128MB PCI-Express x16
[01:00] <dsmith_> thats all I remember
[01:00] <SnDPhoenix> also is the 8800xt used in the ps3?
[01:01] <Sanne> phobiac: when you remove something other programs depend on, they would be removed also. What are you trying to uninstall?
[01:01] <Sanne> phobiac: disregard, I misread
[01:01] <phobiac> Sanne: It happens whenever I use apt-get in the command line for installing and uninstalling
[01:01] <phobiac> Oh okay
[01:02] <Sanne> phobiac: that's nasty. I'm sorry I don't knwo about autoremove.
[01:02] <dsmith_> i believe the card I have in my dell pc is a X600SE
[01:03] <phobiac> Sanne: It's really annoying. I'm trying to find info on it with google but the most I've found it sounds like a feature aptitude has, but none of those were installing with aptitude.
[01:04] <phobiac> It's even trying to get rid of adept. :(
[01:04] <dsmith_> ouch
[01:04] <Sanne> phobiac: yeah, sounds like aptitude to me. Weird. Somehow you should be able to check what packages are set to autoremove and reset those flags, one would think.
[01:05] <phobiac> I think the command line is trying to tell me it doesn't like gui.
[01:05] <phobiac> Sanne: I thought so too. I wish I could find some way to disable this.
[01:05] <dsmith_> well like I tell everyone, make weekly snapshots of your linux install, so if something goes amiss. You can fix it
[01:06] <SnDPhoenix> omg, i just noticed, with the alt cd oj kubuntu, the installer is text based right, BUT is it done through terminal, because i am not very good with terminal.
[01:06] <davidm_> howdy all!
[01:07] <SnDPhoenix> hey
[01:07] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: its ncurses based
[01:07] <ikonia> (menu driven)
[01:07] <Sanne> SnDPhoenix: have no fear, you can read, and type, it's not really hard. Just take your time.
[01:07] <SnDPhoenix> ah ok
[01:07] <ikonia> I did suggest that a few lines up
[01:07] <davidm_> I have a simple question, for others at least. :)
[01:07] <ikonia> install using the alt
[01:07] <ikonia> then fix your system once its installed
[01:08] <davidm_> Any takers?
[01:08] <davidm_> I'll go ahead and ask.
[01:08] <ikonia> davidm_: ask
[01:09] <davidm_> I had a Debian install that got screwed up. backpotrts and whatnto screwed up the GUI. I now have a Kubuntu install andf want to access all the data files on the previous install. Bios is ok. What do i type in Konquerer to change drives.
[01:10] <davidm_> Hard drives are jumpered right.
[01:10] <Sanne> phobiac: does 'dpkg -l kate' tell you something suspicious?
[01:10] <ikonia> what has the bios got to do with it ?
[01:10] <ikonia> you need to mount the partition
[01:10] <ikonia> that your old debian install was on
[01:10] <davidm_> BIOS shows both hard drives.
[01:10] <ikonia> then just browse the file system
[01:10] <davidm_> old Debian install is 2nd drive.
[01:10] <davidm_> master drive is Kubuntu
[01:10] <phobiac> Sanne: Yeah, it does
[01:10] <ikonia> mount the second drive
[01:10] <ikonia> then browse the file system
[01:10] <Sanne> phobiac: what's the last line it prints?
[01:11] <davidm_> I am at a loss to what to type. //? HDB?
[01:11] <phobiac> [01:11] <phobiac> ii  kate           3.5.5-0ubuntu3 advanced text editor for KDE
[01:11] <davidm_> HDA is the master
[01:11] <ikonia> davidm_: "mount"
[01:11] <ikonia> or "man mount"
[01:11] <phobiac> This part is odd though
[01:11] <phobiac> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[01:11] <phobiac> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[01:11] <SnDPhoenix> hey while i install my kubuntu, i have to mount my swap and /usr and /root, well do i need to moun tmy windows partition, or should i leave it alone?
[01:11] <Sanne> phobiac: no, that seems ok, just like mine. So it doesn't seem to be dpkg's issue.
[01:12] <davidm_> mount what?
[01:12] <davidm_> mount hdb?
[01:12] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: you won't need to mount /usr and /root - the installer should do that, (why have /root on a seperate partition"
[01:12] <ikonia> davidm_: mount the second disk
[01:12] <davidm_> I am in Konguerer with a / in the URL line.
[01:12] <ikonia> you can't do it from knoqueror
[01:12] <ikonia> you need to mount it
[01:12] <phobiac> It seems like an issue of using aptitude to install a package, then when that or a related in any way package gets removed all related packages get marked for "autoremove"ing in apt-get.
[01:12] <ikonia> then browser the file system in konqueror
[01:12] <davidm_> yah, easy enough to say, but the specifics I dont know.
[01:12] <Sanne> phobiac: can you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy kate' to paste.ubuntu-nl.org?
[01:12] <ikonia> davidm_: man mount
[01:12] <davidm_> man mount
[01:13] <davidm_> In a terminal?
[01:13] <ikonia> yes
[01:13] <dsmith_> hmmmm for some reason I cannot install automatix2
[01:13] <phobiac> Sanne: I think I might have found the issue. Apparently just letting them remove and then installing the packages again should leave the system okay.
[01:14] <phobiac> However I have to double-check and make sure the packages it wants to remove aren't important to the system working. :D
[01:14] <Sanne> phobiac: I think so too. So we guess it has to do with some installations through aptitude, huh?
[01:14] <davidm_> Oh i see, So Just plugging in the hard drive and booting isnt enough
[01:14] <Sanne> phobiac: if you want, you can paste the list of packages to remove to the pastebin, I can look.
[01:15] <ikonia> davidm_: thats right
[01:15] <davidm_> great
[01:15] <phobiac> Sanne: I might have installed something with aptitude and forgotten I did...although I have no idea what I installed with it that is connected to all these packages.
[01:15] <phobiac> Sanne: I'll do that, thank you for the help.
[01:15] <davidm_> While I have been pushing linux on strangers in the grocery line for years. Stupid little things like this I hate
[01:15] <ikonia> nothing stupid about it
[01:15] <Sanne> phobiac: I *guess* I heard that aptitude has a log of installations, but I won't know exactly.
[01:15] <julle_> !compile
[01:16] <SnDPhoenix> hey, while my kubuntu is being dled i cant try it out yet, but has anyone here used WINE?
[01:16] <ikonia> yes I have used wine
[01:16] <SnDPhoenix> does it work for EVERY windows app, or only most apps
[01:16] <davidm_> yes stupid. I should be able to add a secondary drive, make sure the bios is good, and then boot up and access the files without jumping though hoops
[01:16] <ikonia> no just some
[01:16] <SnDPhoenix> damn
[01:16] <Sanne> phobiac: you could try to look in /var/log
[01:16] <ikonia> 1 command is not jumping through hoops
[01:17] <ikonia> in the same way you have to assign a drive letter in windows
[01:17] <davidm_> Incorrect, you don't need to add a drive letter in windows. It will do so automatically, you CAN change it if you want.
[01:17] <ikonia> not in all cases
[01:17] <phobiac> Sanne: IT's a long list but here you go http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37662/
[01:18] <bgsteffens> eh lol
[01:18] <Sanne> phobiac: I'll check it, sec.
[01:18] <ikonia> 1 command is hardley jumping through hoops
[01:18] <bgsteffens> unless that command is
[01:18] <bgsteffens> sudo jump through --hoop
[01:18] <ikonia> and more often than not ubuntu will see the disk and put it under the places tab
[01:18] <SnDPhoenix> actually you mean, partition not drive
[01:19] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: no - I mean drive
[01:19] <davidm_> Well, if you don't know the command it is.
[01:19] <davidm_> And does mounting it work once or do i need to edit some ety file?
[01:19] <SnDPhoenix> do you mean the drives you acces when you goto my computer, if so those are partitions
[01:19] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: we are not talking about windows
[01:20] <ikonia> davidm_: thats the same in any os, and as I said most of the time ubuntu will do it for you
[01:20] <Sanne> phobiac: oh... that looks like most of the kubuntu desktop. I wouldn't dare to let all those be removed, to be honest. Do you still have the package kubuntu-desktop installed?
[01:21] <phobiac> Sanne: No, that's uninstalled.
[01:21] <Sanne> phobiac: aha!
[01:21] <phobiac> Install it?
[01:21] <SnDPhoenix> wtf, you mean you can uninstall your desktop?
[01:22] <Sanne> phobiac: maybe... that's the problem. kubuntu-desktop is a meta package that has all the desktop packages as dependencies. If it were installed with aptitude, and then uninstalled, all the dependencies might get removed also. So yes, I would install it.
[01:22] <Dr_willis> what 'is' a desktop.. its just another group of programs
[01:22] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:22] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: its just a package name
[01:22] <Dr_willis> 'the zen of linux'
[01:22] <phobiac> Sanne: I'll try that
[01:22] <SnDPhoenix> sheesh, i should just stfu, i keep thinking of windows
[01:23] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:23] <Dr_willis> 'this is not your grandmothers OS'
[01:23] <SnDPhoenix> lol
[01:23] <crimson> i followed the upgrade directions in the topic link, but i'm still 6.06. any insight?
[01:23] <davidm_> Well thanks for the tip. Guess Ill log out and read th man file. So much for using irc....
[01:24] <phobiac> Dr_willis: My grandmother worked at IBM
[01:24] <ikonia> davidm_: why the sarcasm ?
[01:24] <ikonia> I told you the command ?
[01:24] <davidm_> mount hdb?>
[01:24] <SnDPhoenix> maybelol, phobiac
[01:24] <SnDPhoenix> wtf
[01:24] <ikonia> ?
[01:24] <SnDPhoenix> a maybe posted in my post
[01:24] <davidm_> the dsecond drive is B I think, but that doesnt do anything
[01:25] <ikonia> read the man page
[01:25] <Dr_willis> time to do some reading up on Linux FUNdamentals. :)
[01:25] <ikonia> then you'll understand how mount works
[01:25] <Fleebailey33> i must of booted kubuntu dapper a good 30 times because it failed to initilized either network or hardware driver. related im assuming.
[01:25] <phobiac> Sanne: Hmmm, now apt-get autoremove still trys to get me to uninstall some packages, but not nearly as many.
[01:25] <Sanne> Dr_willis: grandmother is not a synonym for "challenged computer user".
[01:25] <Fleebailey33> how do i future prevent this?
[01:25] <davidm_> yah, Ill switch back to my winders system for now.
[01:25] <Dr_willis> a hard drive would be like 'hda1, hdb1, hdb4, and so on'
[01:25] <SnDPhoenix> theres nothing fun about linux, its all work
[01:25] <crimson> until you make it work for you
[01:25] <Dr_willis> SnDPhoenix,  You are confused. :)
[01:25] <Sanne> phobiac: how do you try to install it? with apt-get?
[01:25] <ikonia> Dr_willis: I didn't know you where a kubuntu user
[01:26] <Dr_willis> I use everything and anything. :)
[01:26] <davidm_> ecit
[01:26] <davidm_> exit
[01:26] <crimson> gotta do a slash before exit
[01:26] <Dr_willis> heh
[01:26] <SnDPhoenix> lol
[01:26] <Dr_willis> slash exit
[01:26] <ikonia> I love it when people try to guilt people into help
[01:26] <Dr_willis> dident work..
[01:26] <ikonia> "please help
[01:26] <ikonia> "read the man page"
[01:26] <crimson> or quit
[01:27] <ikonia> "I guess i'll go back to windows then......"
[01:27] <phobiac> Sanne: I used adept to install the kubuntu-desktop package. However now apt-get in the command line doesn't try to make me get rid of some of the more important looking packages. They are mostly lib's that seem to be connected with gnome. I used to have gnome before switching to kde, this might be part of the problem.
[01:27] <SnDPhoenix> whats wrong with viruses, other than a few bsods, spyware and adware to worry about along with all of the crashes, windows is a beautiful OS
[01:28] <SnDPhoenix> *windows
[01:28] <RoKFiT> when can kubuntu-ers expect a new sound kernel?
[01:28] <ikonia> sound kernel ?
[01:28] <RoKFiT> sound driver
[01:28] <ikonia> depends what driver you're looking for
[01:28] <Dr_willis> 'locked out themableity to force 'brand recgonition' is good'
[01:28] <Sanne> phobiac: hmmm, then you could try to also (re?)install ubuntu-desktop. Maybe then you won't have to uninstall anything.
[01:28] <phobiac> SnDPhoenix: You forget the limits on what you can do with your own OS, and the spyware that comes with the system.
[01:28] <RoKFiT> NVidia CK804
[01:29] <ikonia> no idea, its an nvidia driver
[01:29] <SnDPhoenix> i was being sarcastic phobiac
[01:29] <ikonia> check it out at nvidia.com
[01:29] <phobiac> Sanne: The packages look safe to remove, I'll just keep a list of them in case I have issues in the future.
[01:29] <dsmith_> how do I change permissions toa external usb drive?
[01:29] <phobiac> SnD: So was I :P
[01:29] <dsmith_> and make them stick?
[01:29] <SnDPhoenix> lol
[01:29] <ikonia> dsmith_: I though you'd gone back to windows
[01:29] <ikonia> dsmith_: udev rules
[01:29] <Sanne> phobiac: shouldn't I have a look first?
[01:29] <dsmith_> no
[01:30] <phobiac> Although those are real issues I have with the Os..
[01:30] <ikonia> you exited going back to windows.....
[01:30] <phobiac> I'll stick them in pastebin Sanne
[01:30] <ikonia> ooh no, that was david
[01:30] <dsmith_> im on my kubuntu laptop
[01:30] <ikonia> sorry dsmith_my mistake
[01:30] <ikonia> dsmith_: udev rules
[01:30] <Sanne> phobiac: ok
[01:30] <ikonia> that will change the device permissions
[01:30] <ikonia> file system permissions handled by chown
[01:30] <ikonia> or chmod
[01:30] <phobiac> Sanne: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37664/
[01:31] <SnDPhoenix> hmm, one thing i do like better about windows, the support for games,(im a gamer) and all the apps out there, (im a software junkie)
[01:31] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: games, well unlucky. App, there are tons of applications on linux
[01:31] <crimson> theres a lot of apps for linux
[01:31] <SnDPhoenix> yes, but not the apps i "like"
[01:31] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, I'll agree with you on the games, but linux excells at software...except for antivirus, I think windows has more options there
[01:32] <dsmith_> i have installed vmware player and workstation on this machine
[01:32] <crimson> thats because you don't know these apps
[01:32] <dsmith_> and installed xp and win2003
[01:32] <larson9999> no tv here so i'm using a tv tuner.  the problem is the sound makes a humming sound :(
[01:32] <SnDPhoenix> for example, i cant use Adobe Photoshop on linux
[01:32] <Agent_bob> how to force udev=0 ?
[01:32] <SnDPhoenix> i have to use the GIMP
[01:32] <crimson> but you can use GIMP
[01:32] <RoKFiT> ikonia: are there nvidia sound drivers in the repos?
[01:32] <max_> when i try to start Add/Remove Programs it says <Another process is using the packaging system database> but i dont have another going, or adept or anything lie that
[01:32] <ikonia> not that I'm aware of
[01:32] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: photoshop is closed source
[01:33] <ikonia> only a few closed source applications exist
[01:33] <RoKFiT> then how do i get rid of this popping?
[01:33] <ikonia> if you don't want that, don't use linux
[01:33] <Agent_bob> crimson any way to totally remove all udev from ubuntu ?
[01:33] <ikonia> Agent_bob: thats a massive task
[01:33] <crimson> im not an admin
[01:33] <ikonia> use MakeDev
[01:33] <matthew> ikonia, you're not helping
[01:33] <crimson> im here for help too
[01:33] <SnDPhoenix> i know, but i cant use it on linux, wish that WINE, supports photoshop (does it)
[01:33] <ikonia> then disable udev
[01:33] <matthew> rofkit, what popping?
[01:33] <phobiac> Using GIMP for me is like falling off a cliff in a truckbed full of nails. I guess I'm just too lazy to learn how to use it properly though.
[01:33] <matthew> I'll help you
[01:33] <max_> SnDPhoenix: wine does support it
[01:33] <ikonia> - I'd just disable udev rather then remove it
[01:33] <ikonia> matthew: how - in what way am I not helping
[01:33] <ikonia> I've explained tons ?
[01:34] <Agent_bob> crimson oh.   ok what is your question   if it's not already answered ?
[01:34] <matthew> ikonia, to me, it doesn't look like "If you don't like it, leave it" is help to rofkit
[01:34] <Sanne> phobiac: the *-dev packages are safe to remove, those are development headers needed to compile stuff, but not essential to the system. The rest seem to be gnome related, but some I don't know. libgdl, for example. But if you are unsure, look them up at packages.ubuntu.com.
[01:34] <SnDPhoenix> oh sweet, then i can use photoshop on likux :), @phobiac, you think GIMP is hard, try photoshop
[01:34] <ikonia> that wasn't to rofkit
[01:34] <matthew> ok, my bad
[01:34] <ikonia> that was to SnDPhoenix who was complaining about a lack of closed source applications on linux
[01:34] <matthew> Rofkit, what can I help you with?
[01:34] <Agent_bob> ikonia massive ?
[01:34] <matthew> ikonia, I'm sorry.
[01:35] <ikonia> the sound drivers, I said I have no idea about them being in the repo
[01:35] <ikonia> matthew: no problem
[01:35] <phobiac> Sanne: Thanks for all your help. I'll look up the ones I can't tell are gnome related.
[01:35] <ikonia> Agent_bob: yes, removing udev is quite a complex process
[01:35] <ikonia> I'd disable it, and use MakeDEV
[01:35] <ikonia> however, I wouldn't actually do that
[01:35] <ikonia> because udev is the future
[01:35] <Agent_bob> ikonia is there no switch for the kernel ?
[01:35] <ikonia> so stick with it
[01:35] <ikonia> Agent_bob: no
[01:35] <ikonia> udev starts at boot time
[01:35] <max_> when i try to start Add/Remove Programs it says <Another process is using the packaging system database> but i dont have another going, or adept or anything like that, anyone know how to fix this
[01:35] <phobiac> SnD: I'm used to Paint Shop Pro though, so that could be part of the problem.
[01:36] <ikonia> max_: did you do sudo
[01:36] <ikonia> before the command
[01:36] <max_> ikonia: im not in a terminal, im using the "Add/Remove Programs" in the K Menu
[01:36] <Sanne> phobiac: I just found this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/69148 and this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptAutoRemove. Reading now.
[01:36] <Agent_bob> ikonia yes i know that.   with devfs there was devfs=nomount    do you mean they didn't include anything like that at all for disabling it ?
[01:36] <ikonia> Hmmmm not sure, 'm not big with kde
[01:37] <ikonia> Agent_bob: no, not really
[01:37] <SnDPhoenix> you like gnome better?
[01:37] <ikonia> i know what you're after but it doesn't really exist
[01:37] <Agent_bob> hmmm then i guess i'll make a new kernel.
[01:37] <ikonia> as its not like udev/devfs comparisions
[01:37] <dsmith_> ok i am in udev rules.d
[01:37] <ikonia> Agent_bob: how come remove udev ?
[01:37] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: not really
[01:38] <Sanne> phobiac: "There is a new apt-mark utility available as well. It can be used to "markauto" or "unmarkauto" packages. This functionality can also be found in the latest synaptic."
[01:38] <Agent_bob> cause i dont want it.   it's too much trubble.
[01:38] <dsmith_> i done se anything in the folders where it mentions my usb drive
[01:38] <ikonia> really, its always worked like a swiss clock for me
[01:38] <ikonia> what sort of problems
[01:38] <Agent_bob> static devices work much smoother for me.
[01:38] <ikonia> fair enough
[01:38] <ikonia> dsmith_: usb are treated like a scsi device
[01:39] <Agent_bob> thanks all.   back later.
[01:39] <ikonia> dsmith_: is this a file system or device permission issue
[01:39] <dsmith_> hmmm both?
[01:39] <dsmith_> ok..
[01:39] <ikonia> dsmith_: are you sure
[01:39] <phobiac> Sanne: I'll keep that in mind next time autoremove does this to me if it ever does. Hopefully that will fix the issue in the future.
[01:39] <ikonia> whats the actual problem
[01:39] <dsmith_> i cannot save to my usb device
[01:39] <phobiac> For now autoremove doesn't want to remove anything. Which is good. :)
[01:39] <dsmith_> lol phobiac
[01:39] <notech> dsmith_: can you read it?
[01:39] <dsmith_> sure
[01:40] <dsmith_> yes I can read it
[01:40] <ikonia> ok - so its not device issues
[01:40] <ikonia> its just file system issues
[01:40] <Sanne> phobiac: Ok. This is indeed a documentation bug also reported in launchapd. Good to know. Good luck to you! :)
[01:40] <dsmith_> ok ikonia
[01:40] <notech> dsmith_: what file system is on it?
[01:40] <dsmith_> the usb drive?
[01:40] <dsmith_> fat
[01:40] <ikonia> where is it mounted ?
[01:40] <phobiac> Ha, you guys might get a kick out of this if you haven't already seen it. http://grox.net/doc/unix/unix_shell_humor.html
[01:40] <ikonia>  /media ?
[01:41] <notech> sounds like it was mounted reado only, or root access only
[01:41] <ikonia> notech: agreed
[01:41] <linx-> not sure whether this can be answered here, but i have a problem with X.org.. my windows are being redrawn very slowly (for instance during window dragging, resizing).. also when a chat roll would get too long new messages would create a visible lag in the redrawing of chat roll
[01:41] <dsmith_> yes /media
[01:41] <phobiac> Sanne: Thanks again for all the help.
[01:41] <Sanne> phobiac: you're welcome
[01:41] <ikonia> linx-: what video card and xorg driver are you using
[01:41] <notech> dsmith_: can you write to it as root or sudo?
[01:42] <ikonia> dsmith_: can you put the output of "mount" and ls -la /media into a pastebin please
[01:42] <linx-> ikonia: onboard video chip.. sec
[01:42] <dsmith_> i have to go now, but I will try that when I get back
[01:43] <dsmith_> it was ~4 mins
[01:43] <dsmith_> :P
[01:43] <Dr_willis> Linux Basics Worked for me!
[01:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:43] <Fleebailey33> why do people seem to only ask about video cards in a kubuntu channel?
[01:43] <Dr_willis> Linux BootCamp for all you slackers!
[01:43] <SnDPhoenix> geez, how long you guys been using linux? i dont know 90% of what you guys are saying.
[01:43] <Dr_willis> heh
[01:43] <Fleebailey33> #kubuntuvideocardsforloosers
[01:43] <Dr_willis> SnDPhoenix,  thats what 'reading' is all about. :)
[01:43] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, I think that we all know a little bit, but about different things
[01:44] <Dr_willis> what i dont know... i know how to go 'learn' :)
[01:44] <SnDPhoenix> yeah, guess ill have to use linux for a while, although i have the tendency to go back to windows
[01:44] <Fleebailey33> should i restart after edgy dist-upgrade from dapper?
[01:44] <ikonia> oooh yes
[01:44] <Fleebailey33> or can i just log out log back in
[01:44] <Fleebailey33> or neither ?
[01:44] <ikonia> reboot
[01:44] <ikonia> new kenel
[01:44] <Fleebailey33> for a while at least
[01:44] <ikonia> kernel
[01:44] <Fleebailey33> i figured
[01:44] <ikonia> amongst other thing
[01:45] <SnDPhoenix> how can i stop myself from going back to windows :(
[01:45] <Fleebailey33> dual boot
[01:45] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: don't stop youself
[01:45] <ikonia> if you like it better, use it
[01:45] <ikonia> there is no shame in it
[01:45] <ikonia> it doesn't make you "leet" using linux
[01:45] <phobiac> SnD: What's the biggest issue you have with Linux? Gaming?
[01:45] <Dr_willis> Games are for the Weak.
[01:45] <linx-> ikonia: 'integrated graphics' (according to moth board manufacteror) and X11 (vesa driver)
[01:45] <Fleebailey33> ikonia: im having trouble with network at startup
[01:46] <Fleebailey33> any ideas?
[01:46] <SnDPhoenix> yes, but i want to use linux, i am tired of all these fucking crashes, and error, and having to use 3 security apps to keep me safe
[01:46] <Fleebailey33> cant configure network at startup in dapper
[01:46] <ikonia> linuxwizard: need more detail than that
[01:46] <fnord5> gameing works fine for me
[01:46] <Fleebailey33> in edgy will it be better?
[01:46] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: language please
[01:46] <ikonia> Fleebailey33: need more details
[01:46] <SnDPhoenix> oh, sorry
[01:46] <Fleebailey33> thats why im afriad to restart
[01:46] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, I would use windows, but use linux as a side project until you get the hang of it!
[01:46] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: linux will crash just as much if you can't use it
[01:46] <SnDPhoenix> true, i thought the same thing
[01:46] <Fleebailey33> it hangs at config network
[01:46] <ikonia> most crashes are down to users not being able to use the OS
[01:46] <phobiac> SnD: I've never used it, but apparently the majority of windows-only games can be run well with cedega.
[01:46] <Fleebailey33> 98% of the time
[01:47] <Dr_willis> if you cant use it... heh ...
[01:47] <ikonia> so don't blame the OS  - learn to use the OS
[01:47] <phobiac> I think it's spelt cedega anyway..
[01:47] <Fleebailey33> this is the 2%
[01:47] <SnDPhoenix> whats cedega
[01:47] <fnord5> cedaga and wine works awsome
[01:47] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: don't look at it yet
[01:47] <Dr_willis> !cedega
[01:47] <ikonia> forget you saw that
[01:47] <Ubotwo> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[01:47] <phobiac> It's like wine, but for gaming.
[01:47] <phobiac> ^
[01:47] <ikonia> you don't need to kno about cedaga
[01:47] <SnDPhoenix> ahh, ok, lol, maybe it will run bf2142
[01:47] <Fleebailey33> ikonia: i know we just talked talked about this but brb
[01:47] <Fleebailey33> its chancucka
[01:48] <Fleebailey33> got to light candles
[01:48] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: use windows
[01:48] <SnDPhoenix> wtf! lol, dont you mean hanakuh
[01:48] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: any chance you can watch the language
[01:48] <ikonia> I don't need to see "fuck" or "wtf" every other line
[01:48] <SnDPhoenix> what did i say?
[01:48] <fnord5> i suck at linux but its all i run
[01:49] <phobiac> SnD: The only issue you might have with Linux is setting up your video card properly. I know mine wasn't too much fun to get working when I ventured into setting up Xgl with beryl
[01:49] <Fleebailey33> ikonia: back
[01:49] <SnDPhoenix> well w t f isnt a "bad" word
[01:49] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: - it is
[01:49] <ikonia> please don't use it
[01:49] <SnDPhoenix> ok, ill stop
[01:49] <ikonia> I don't need to see it every other line from you
[01:49] <Dr_willis> Xgl/Beryl is very much expermental...  so thats not a good example. heh
[01:50] <sorush21> hi automount is not working on my comouter..
[01:50] <phobiac> Dr_willis: Yeah but my video card wasn't working at all when it came to 3d before that.
[01:50] <sorush21> computer
[01:50] <ikonia> sorush21: details please
[01:50] <phobiac> It's fun have Xgl/Beryl now though...although my laptop's fan running constantly gets annoying.
[01:51] <phobiac> fun to have*
[01:51] <SnDPhoenix> ohh, wow, hooray, i just lost all my active tabs in FF, (sarcasm)
[01:52] <larson9999> don't eat the beef tacos before the chicken
[01:52] <larson9999> the other way around
[01:52] <SnDPhoenix> who eats chicken tacos?
[01:52] <phobiac> SnD: If you want any one reason to see why linux can be worth it, Xgl with Beryl is that. Assuming you have a new enough computer to handle it.
[01:52] <Dr_willis> 'eye candy - always a good reason'
[01:52] <ikonia> you don't need to see compiz
[01:52] <SnDPhoenix> what is Xgl Beryl
[01:53] <phobiac> !Xgl
[01:53] <Ubotwo> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[01:53] <phobiac> !Beryl
[01:53] <Ubotwo> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:53] <Dr_willis> Fancy desktop effects...
[01:53] <ikonia> ignore those links
[01:53] <Dr_willis> heh
[01:53] <larson9999> heck, there are tons of reasons linux is worth it.  eye candy is at the bottom of my list
[01:53] <Dr_willis> larson9999,  i agree there
[01:53] <ikonia> Dr_willis: do you linger in apache ?
[01:53] <SnDPhoenix> yeah, it seems security should be 1st priority
[01:53] <phobiac> However eyecandy is always a good way to invite people into the linux world.
[01:53] <Dr_willis> I got my Linux MythTV box set up now.
[01:54] <Dr_willis> ikonia,  nope.
[01:54] <SnDPhoenix> i did
[01:54] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: you did what ?
[01:54] <Dr_willis> Invite them for the wrong reasons.. :) Like all the girls standing outside strip joints...
[01:54] <ikonia> Dr_willis: I have you confused with someone else - sorry
[01:54] <SnDPhoenix> use apache
[01:54] <ikonia> I didn't ask if anyone used it
[01:54] <phobiac> SnD: Try googling xgl for some video's if you want to see what it's capable of.
[01:54] <ikonia> compiz is not for you
[01:55] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, or search youtube for them as well
[01:55] <ikonia> get your video card working first
[01:55] <SnDPhoenix> or i could just check youtube
[01:55] <ikonia> learn the basics
[01:55] <ikonia> don't look at cool stuff until you can use it basiclly first
[01:55] <SnDPhoenix> i will, but then im jumping into action
[01:55] <ikonia> as you'll only try to jump the gun
[01:55] <max_> !crossover
[01:55] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that, and package searching is not available - try http://packages.ubuntu.com and http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[01:55] <phobiac> Dr_willis: You have to remember, most people who have used windows for most of their computer life don't care too much about security or the things we do. Show them something shiny and cool and they'll get interested.
[01:55] <SnDPhoenix> so is Xgl like the like the linux version of windowblinds?
[01:55] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  i dont want to get them interested for those reasons...
[01:56] <Dr_willis> SnDPhoenix,  windowblinds is just a hack/gimmic. :)
[01:56] <larson9999> Dr_willis: i want strip joints girls inviting me in for the 'wrong' reason.
[01:56] <Dr_willis> larson9999,  yea! darn them!
[01:56] <SnDPhoenix> so larson999 can talk like that but i cant say w_t_f
[01:56] <Dr_willis> theres several Live cd's out that show off the XGL/Beryl Features
[01:57] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: larson9999 isn't using offensive language
[01:57] <ikonia> that I've seen
[01:57] <SnDPhoenix> oh no, hes just being sexual
[01:57] <larson9999> i have my moments
[01:57] <Fleebailey33> Setting up initramfs-tools (0.69ubuntu20) ...
[01:57] <Fleebailey33> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-26-amd64-generic
[01:57] <Fleebailey33> cp: cannot stat `/etc/udev/rules.d/65-persistent-storage.rules': No such file or directory
[01:57] <phobiac> Dr_willis: Ah but eyecandy is a good way to "trick" people into using a safer OS like Linux.
[01:57] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: just deal with it, I was fed up of seeing offensive language every other line of you, so I asked you to stop
[01:57] <Fleebailey33> will that be a problem
[01:57] <ikonia> thats all
[01:57] <Fleebailey33> in upgrading to edgy?
[01:58] <SnDPhoenix> i know, im fine with it, have i said anything else
[01:58] <fnord5> been trying to get my xgl stuff working for a few days
[01:58] <Fleebailey33> sorry i didn't mean to copy that much
[01:58] <fnord5> what is beryl exactly?
[01:58] <ikonia> yes, you've just been bitching that someone else is not getting told off
[01:58] <Dr_willis> I find it easier to do a reinstall - then upgrade
[01:58] <SnDPhoenix> oh no, you cant get Xgl, omg, i wonder what im gonna think when i see it
[01:58] <ikonia> Fleebailey33: looks like your initrd is out of sync with your kernel
[01:58] <phobiac> fnord5: As far as I know it's like compiz, but a replacement for it.
[01:58] <Fleebailey33> how bad?
[01:58] <Fleebailey33> will it boot?
[01:58] <ikonia> fnord5: it is a fork of compiz
[01:58] <ikonia> so to speak
[01:58] <SnDPhoenix> !compiz
[01:58] <Ubotwo> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[01:59] <ikonia> Fleebailey33: depends if your system needs anything out of initrd
[01:59] <ikonia> but it probably will
[01:59] <ikonia> will boot that is
[01:59] <Fleebailey33> im dual booting btw
[01:59] <ikonia> ???
[01:59] <ikonia> windows doesn't effect linux booting
[01:59] <SnDPhoenix> hey is xgl part of compiz or is it seperate
[01:59] <Fleebailey33> contrary
[01:59] <ikonia> seperate
[01:59] <Fleebailey33> long story
[01:59] <fnord5> !compiz
[01:59] <Ubotwo> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:00] <ikonia> we've just seen that link 3 times in under aminute
[02:00] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: you posted the link - read it
[02:00] <phobiac> Ikonia: A fresh install of windows can mess with grub though.
[02:00] <ikonia> phobiac: totally
[02:00] <ikonia> but he's got grub - its the init scripts that are hanging
[02:00] <larson9999> i guess when i do give it a try, i'll pick beryl for this reason: Uses flat file backend instead of gconf meaning almost no gnome dependency.
[02:00] <ikonia> windows can't touch them
[02:00] <fnord5> what kind of eyecandy dosent use xgl?
[02:01] <max_> AIGLX
[02:01] <ikonia> fnord5: loads of options
[02:01] <SnDPhoenix> doesnt that only happen if you install windows after linux
[02:01] <ikonia> none as adance
[02:01] <phobiac> SnD: Yeah
[02:01] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: what does ?
[02:01] <SnDPhoenix> screw with grub
[02:01] <ikonia> yes we know that
[02:01] <Dr_willis> !grub
[02:01] <Ubotwo> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:01] <SnDPhoenix> i know what grub is
[02:02] <SnDPhoenix> btw i just use acronis os selector, it is "prettier"
[02:02] <fnord5> an ubot google stuff?
[02:02] <fnord5> can ubot*
[02:02] <max_> SnDPhoenix: whats your problem with grub? i recently had problems with it
[02:02] <Agent_bob> hmmm i got it to work.   strange tho  as was pointed out udev is still in the kernel and according to cat /proc/mounts is still mounted "udev /dev tmpfs rw 0 0
[02:02] <SnDPhoenix> i dont have probs with grub
[02:02] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: well thats going to mess up
[02:02] <Agent_bob> but when i look in /dev it's the static device nodes.
[02:03] <ikonia> if you don't use grub for booting ubuntu updates will mess up
[02:03] <SnDPhoenix> really, it didnt before
[02:03] <ikonia> should do, if grub does a kernel update
[02:03] <ikonia> oops if ubuntu does a kernel update
[02:04] <Agent_bob> ikonia mess up ?
[02:04] <sorush21> details.. whell I put my cd into the drive and I can't see any popups
[02:04] <SnDPhoenix> so kubuntu's safe, it should be because updates worked for me
[02:04] <Agent_bob> or just not default to the new kernel ?
[02:04] <ikonia> yes, if you're not using grub and ubuntu does an update, its not going ot know how to update the menu.lst
[02:04] <ikonia> or the lilo.conf
[02:04] <SnDPhoenix> @sorush did you boot from the disc
[02:05] <ikonia> unless ubuntu has a acronis package
[02:05] <SnDPhoenix> i had to seperately install it so no, it is included with ubuntu
[02:06] <ikonia> be careful doing kernel updates
[02:06] <sorush21> SnDPhoenix: no not really
[02:06] <sorush21> how do you mean?
[02:06] <Fleebailey33> well that was an easy reboot of edgy
[02:06] <Fleebailey33> booth kernal showed up in grub...hmm
[02:06] <SnDPhoenix> doesnt ubuntu and kubuntu include an uodater that updates for you
[02:06] <SnDPhoenix> like Vista
[02:06] <ikonia> yes, but only packages it knows about
[02:06] <ikonia> and it doesn't know about acronis
[02:07] <ikonia> so it won't update it with new kerneles
[02:07] <Agent_bob> i am forced to use lilo here because of hardware usage   and you are correct one must update lilo if they want a new kernel to boot.  but there is no or very little danger that the system wont boot unless the new kernel uses the exact name of the existing kernel   which it shouldn't.
[02:07] <SnDPhoenix> damn, well is it even worth updating the kernel
[02:07] <ikonia> yes, very much so
[02:07] <Dr_willis> SnDPhoenix,  the apt packaging system does all the updates
[02:07] <delight> I
[02:08] <ikonia> more so as you made the bold statment that "security is your primary reason for using linux"
[02:08] <delight> I've got a kubuntu edgy system that i checked with nmap ... and i found 904/tcp  open  unknown <<< can somebody tell me what that service might be running on port 904
[02:08] <SnDPhoenix> hmm, Willis said that the apt packaging does it for me
[02:08] <Dr_willis> go read up on apt-get and the other tools...
[02:08] <ikonia> it will, but if it doesn't know about your boot loader - it won't update it
[02:09] <SnDPhoenix> maybe i could tell it about acronis somehow
[02:09] <Agent_bob> hmmm Q if security is preiminant then shouldn't one be using an se kernel   and if so the updates are less frequent are they not ?
[02:09] <ikonia> Agent_bob: very true if its a real issue, rather than someone making random statments
[02:10] <SnDPhoenix> so kernel updates security, not really functionallity
[02:10] <ikonia> both
[02:10] <angasule> what ftp server works out of the box? I just want to share a couple of files with ftp and nothing seems to even *start*
[02:11] <SnDPhoenix> hey, dumb q
[02:11] <SnDPhoenix> s it true that there is NO virus fo linux, surely someone has to be able to create a virus or script or something.
[02:11] <ikonia> there are virus
[02:11] <ikonia> just not as many and not as easy to infect
[02:11] <Dr_willis> Google knows all...
[02:11] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, there are, but they are very hard to successfully install
[02:11] <SnDPhoenix> why though?
[02:11] <phobiac> angasule: I think there's an easy way to set up a temporary ftp server with kubuntu.
[02:11] <phobiac> Let me look into it real quick.
[02:11] <angasule> phobiac: how?
[02:11] <ikonia> why what ?
[02:12] <angasule> phobiac: thanks
[02:12] <Agent_bob> it's been a while but the last time i checked there were 5 known virii that would/could infect native linux
[02:12] <SnDPhoenix> does everything require user attention, so you could easily deny a virus from running or something like that
[02:12] <ikonia> there are more, but they are directed differently
[02:12] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, in order to be installed, the user must be aware of it, I think...
[02:13] <SnDPhoenix> yeah, like requires attention
[02:13] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, yup
[02:13] <ikonia> matthew: thats true, but there are a few virus that are initiated from say a mail inject for sendmail (as an example)
[02:13] <angasule> proftp tries to use ipv6 for some stupid reason
[02:13] <ikonia> thats not really a linux specific but as sendmail is common on a unix based OS,
[02:13] <SnDPhoenix> whereas on windows if you run something, process can start running in the background and automatically
[02:13] <ikonia> well you know where I'm going
[02:13] <matthew> ikonia, yeah, I'm not well versed on those, so I didn't mention them.
[02:13] <pacman__> is there an equalizer I can download?  The one on VLC sucks
[02:13] <ikonia> I've only delt with a few
[02:13] <SnDPhoenix> viruses?
[02:13] <ikonia> most things like sendmail will be well maintained
[02:13] <Dr_willis> SnDPhoenix,  things ran by the user,, run at user level priviliges.. thus preventing them from doing specific things.
[02:14] <phobiac> angasule: I've no idea how to properly use it, but there's an applet you can add to your kde toolbar that is called "Public File Server"
[02:14] <phobiac> !Public file server
[02:14] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that, and package searching is not available - try http://packages.ubuntu.com and http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[02:14] <matthew> ikonia, I've never ever got a virus using linux...
[02:14] <ikonia> I've never had one on any os
[02:14] <SnDPhoenix> so im guessing you should never run as root right?
[02:14] <Dr_willis> the only Linux viruses ive seen are just 'proof of concepts'
[02:14] <ikonia> I have seen some boxes attacked though
[02:14] <Dr_willis> !root
[02:14] <Ubotwo> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:15] <SnDPhoenix> why keep typin !whateverisay
[02:15] <Agent_bob> SnDPhoenix that's the *buntu creed
[02:15] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: you did it !
[02:15] <SnDPhoenix> do Dr did
[02:15] <ikonia> and he's showing you the command that prevents things from being run as root
[02:15] <pacman__> anyone?
[02:15] <ikonia> you can read up on it from the link
[02:15] <Agent_bob> ikonia ?
[02:15] <ikonia> pacman: what ?
[02:15] <SnDPhoenix> yeah i know, sudo runs as root
[02:15] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, because when you precede anything with a !, ubotu will provide info on it.
[02:16] <phobiac> angasule: That help you any?
[02:16] <pacman> anyone know an equalizer that I can download?  The one on VLC sucks
 and he's showing you the command that prevents things from being run as root <<< ?   talking about sudo ?
[02:16] <SnDPhoenix> i know, i meant why does everybody take everything i say and show me what it means
[02:16] <ikonia> yeah, bad wording
[02:16] <andy__> is this a good place to ask a packages question?
[02:16] <Agent_bob> hehhe ok.
[02:16] <matthew> andy__, go for it
[02:16] <ikonia> SnDPhoenix: because you give that impression
[02:16] <andy__> i need the "libjvm.so" library
[02:16] <ikonia> JVM
[02:16] <ikonia> java Virtual Machine
[02:17] <matthew> andy__, ok...have you tried the repositories?
[02:17] <SnDPhoenix> yeah, im not proficiant with linux, but i still know some things
[02:17] <andy__> i searched packages.ubuntu.com ...
[02:17] <phobiac> Oh god java, I can't even get that set up properly. :(
[02:17] <matthew> It's easier to assume that people know nothing. It's easier to teach them that way.
[02:17] <andy__> the result said sun-java5-bin or j2re1.4
[02:17] <SnDPhoenix> i guess so matthew
[02:17] <Dr_willis> You learn more by reading, then by chatting.
[02:17] <mikes1> Anyone help me with a "passphrase" issue?
[02:17] <andy__> however, these packages are not available to me
[02:17] <Agent_bob> SnDPhoenix root jr.   is the ubuntu way.
[02:18] <matthew> andy__, h/o
[02:18] <Dr_willis> plus those links have a LOT of extra info.
[02:18] <andy__> how do i search for repositories for the packages i need?
[02:18] <SnDPhoenix> yeah i guess so, just forget what i said
[02:18] <ikonia> andy__: apt-cache search $name
[02:19] <matthew> andy__, sudo apt-cache search name_of_package
[02:19] <Agent_bob> SnDPhoenix as to what matthew said.  this channel sees more know nothings than the average linux support channel  therefore people that hang out here develope the attitude that everyone that asks a question is totally ignorant.
[02:19] <angasule> phobiac: I found a config utility for proftpd, but when I try to add a user, it says it exists, when I try to modify it, it says it doesn't...
[02:19] <matthew> andy__, to install, do this: sudo apt-get install libjvm.so
[02:20] <matthew> Agent_bob, I'm not dissing on anyone, but it helps in the process, speeds it up.
[02:20] <Dr_willis> after seeing  1000 questions  like  'how do i edit a file'   - one tends to get biased.. :)
[02:20] <SnDPhoenix> oh, i dont have linux running yet so i want to find this out before i install linux, in the past i could NEVER get make or makefile to work, why is that, is it different on ubuntu
[02:20] <matthew> Dr_willis, very true
[02:20] <phobiac> angasule: I'm not too sure how to help you. :/
[02:20] <matthew> SnDPhoenix, you need to install make
[02:20] <angasule> phobiac: solve bug #1
[02:20] <ikonia> you should never need to "make"
[02:20] <ikonia> on ubuntu
[02:20] <Agent_bob> matthew just clarifying the persupposition.
[02:20] <Dr_willis> SnDPhoenix,  Linux Live cd's are very good for learning stuff. No install needed.
[02:20] <andy__> apparently none of the repositories in my sources.list contain any repository that has the sun-java5-bin or j2re1.4 package
[02:21] <phobiac> angasule: I don't know much about proftpd, try it's channel.
[02:21] <angasule> phobiac: with bug #1 solved, I wouldn't have to use crappy protocols, bah
[02:21] <matthew> andy__, whoops, sorry...
[02:21] <ikonia> andy__: you need to enable universe repo's
[02:21] <ubuntu> yea
[02:21] <angasule> phobiac: I meant ubuntu's #1 bug ;)
[02:21] <SnDPhoenix> yes, but when i tried to install alien, i had to make the file first(compile it) but i could never get it to work
[02:21] <matthew> andy__, did you include all possible repos? (multiverse, universe, etc...)?
[02:21] <ikonia> from memory its in universe
[02:21] <phobiac> angasule: Oh the user issue? Once again that's beyond me. Sorry.
[02:21] <Sanne> andy__: when you found those packages at packages.ubuntu.com, it also said they are in the multiverse repositories. Check if you have enabled them.
[02:21] <BluesKaj> anyone able to play videos on yahoo ?..using the latest Flashplayer for Linux doesn't work on Ifilm video
[02:22] <andy__> all the available repos in my sources.list file are enabled
[02:22] <Agent_bob> Dr_willis and "where is the start button?"   :)
[02:22] <andy__> therefore, i apparently need to add more respositories?
[02:22] <Dr_willis> Agent_bob,  yep.. the phrase 'learn to walk befor you try to run' seems to be lost on many people.
[02:23] <matthew> andy__, not sure about the repos...sorry
[02:23] <Dr_willis> !java
[02:23] <Sanne> andy__: then it needs to find those java packages. What does 'apt-cache search sun-java5-bin' say?
[02:23] <Dr_willis> isent java in the multiverse repo now?
[02:23] <SnDPhoenix> i actually ran before i walked in real life :P
[02:23] <ikonia> you try to run and fall at the first step from what i've seen
[02:23] <matthew> ikonia, be nice.
[02:23] <matthew> please
[02:23] <andy__> apt-cache search comes back empty
[02:23] <SnDPhoenix> lol, which means ppl actually run first, lol
[02:23] <ikonia> just being honest
[02:23] <_kuja_> doc, it has been for a rather long while
[02:24] <SnDPhoenix> he aint being mean
[02:24] <Jucato> andy__: do you have multiverse enabled?
[02:24] <andy__> yes, multiverse is enabled
[02:24] <Agent_bob> andy__ "<matthew> andy__, to install, do this: sudo apt-get install libjvm.so" <<< .so is generally not a package name    try just installing the !jre
[02:25] <Sanne> andy__: then I guess you need to enable more repositories. Can you paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.ubuntunl.org?
[02:25] <Jucato> andy__: can you use pastebin to show the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list?
[02:25] <Jucato> !pastebing | andy__
[02:25] <Agent_bob> !jre
[02:25] <Sanne> Jucato: :)
[02:25] <Jucato> !pastebin | andy__
[02:25] <Jucato> dang typo... )
[02:25] <Agent_bob> bot seems to be down
[02:25] <Jucato> so it seems
[02:25] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that, and package searching is not available - try http://packages.ubuntu.com and http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[02:25] <Ubotwo> andy__: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:25] <Dr_willis> It worked! its alive!
[02:26] <SnDPhoenix> lol, no it is dying, so it is crawling real slow
[02:26] <andy__> other than commercial or security, all repos are: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[02:26] <Jucato> I think Ubotwo had to call ubotu to ask what !pastebin is
[02:26] <Jucato> andy__: please pastebin the contents of sources.list?
[02:26] <Agent_bob> Ubotwo jre
[02:26] <Ubotwo> Agent_bob: Error: "jre" is not a valid command.
[02:27] <phobiac> Jucato: Like phone a friend on who wants to be a millionare?
[02:27] <Jucato> heh yeah
[02:27] <Agent_bob> sun-java5-jre
[02:27] <phobiac> Who wants to help a million users
[02:27] <andy__> is there any way to search for repos that contain the package or file that i need?
[02:27] <_kuja_> apt-cache search
[02:27] <ablyss> apt-cache search ...
[02:28] <andy__> perhaps i need to add a repo
[02:28] <Sanne> andy__: we're about to get it sorted for you, but please pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list, so we can help you.
[02:28] <Jucato> andy__: for some reason, why don't you want to show us your sources.list so that we could tell you if something is missing or not?
[02:28] <max_> imhaving a problem, in fire fox all my flash is going ontop of everything else, so i cant see drop down menus, there behind the flash...anyone know how to fix
[02:28] <SnDPhoenix> well my alt cd is done, hope it works, *crosses fingers*
[02:29] <andy__> okay, excuse the flood.
[02:29] <Agent_bob> no
[02:29] <Agent_bob> no flood
[02:29] <Jucato> andy__: NO!
[02:29] <Jucato> andy__: pastebin
[02:29] <Agent_bob> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[02:29] <andy__> pastebin?
[02:29] <Agent_bob> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[02:29] <Jucato> andy__:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste your sources.list
[02:30] <Jucato> don't paste it in here
[02:30] <Agent_bob> we should have just let him.   it's becomming a bigger flood of explanation.....
[02:30] <andy__> okay, pasted
[02:31] <_kuja_> link?
[02:31] <murchadh_bhaba> Agent_bob, hehe
[02:31] <Agent_bob> now give the url andy__
[02:31] <Jucato> then gives us the URL?
[02:31] <Sanne> andy__: please tell us the url
[02:31] <andy__> okay, pasted at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37670/
[02:31] <andy__> kewl
[02:31] <murchadh_bhaba> Hundreds maimed in the rush to see andy__ 's sources!
[02:31] <Jucato> andy__: you don't have multiverse enabled
[02:32] <Agent_bob> murchadh_bhaba :)
[02:32] <Sanne> andy__: multiverse is only enabled for dapper-backports, not for dapper
[02:32] <Jucato> or rather, you enabled the wrong multiverse repository
[02:32] <RoKFiT> libata and NVidia CK804 are both on IRQ 225 which someone in #alsa believed was causing my audio popping, my question is, can I change the IRQ from within Kubuntu, because it looks like I can't within BIOS.
[02:33] <Jucato> andy__:  this one "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe" should be "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse"
[02:33] <Jucato> (add "multverse" beside "universe")
[02:34] <andy__> ok let me try that
[02:34] <andy__> i tought by just uncommented the line, i was good to go
[02:34] <RoKFiT> Jucato: can you help me?
[02:34] <swim> hey folks
[02:35] <andy__> so, i have to also add "multiverse" as content?
[02:35] <Jucato> RoKFiT: not really... I'm not familiar with sound issues
[02:35] <Sanne> andy__: in line 22, add multiverse after universe
[02:35] <RoKFiT> is anyone?
[02:36] <Agent_bob> RoKFiT don't ask me to delve  but i do believe one can pass args such as irq to the module when inserting it.
[02:37] <RoKFiT> Agent_bob: how would I do this?
[02:37] <RoKFiT> or where can i get information
[02:37] <Agent_bob> RoKFiT look into modprobe and/or learn about kernel modules.
[02:38] <cloakable> andy__: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37672/ - you can use my sources.list if you want. It's more compact, and IMO, easier to unserstand.
[02:38] <Agent_bob> best i can and/or am willing to do for you.
[02:39] <cloakable> andy__: Replace edgy with dapper, though.
[02:39] <cloakable> andy__: I completely failed to notice that.
[02:40] <phobiac> Well, bye all.
[02:40] <andy__> cloakable: got it; thanks!
[02:41] <Sanne> phobiac: cu
[02:42] <andy__> thanks all. updating line 22 with multiverse worked! I got the package!
[02:42] <andy__> cheers
[02:42] <Sanne> andy__: congrats :)
[02:42] <cloakable> Cool
[02:42] <cloakable> :)
[02:51] <BluesKaj> how do I copy a file to a Folder using kdesu >...kdesu won't allow me to open a folder to copy to
[02:52] <BluesKaj> I can open the folder in konq but i can't copy to it without being root
[02:52] <ablyss> sudo konqueror ./
[02:53] <Dr_willis> or use the shell.. *ghasp* *Blasphmy*
[02:53] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:53] <Dr_willis> I tend to use the shell and run mc as root.. :) for my hard core root file management needs.
[02:53] <TheMonoTone> is there a sure fire way to get the ati drivers to not show up as using mesa
[02:54] <TheMonoTone> I've tried aticonfig --initial then aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
[02:54] <TheMonoTone> no luck
[02:54] <ablyss> Dr_willis: what do you think about edgy's implementation of Dash ?
[02:55] <ablyss> that's if you use edgy
[02:56] <BluesKaj> ablyss, sudo konqueror ./   ...what does that do ?
[02:58] <ablyss> really ticked me off.. you'd think they inform you of this major change befor eyou upgrade.. sure I could read the change log, but still, i didn't expect all my cgi scripts to go nuts after I updraded, but I probably should have expected it, as when I updraded to dapper, the tail shell command was not coded correctly
[02:58] <ablyss> BluesKaj: it opens konqueror as root
[02:58] <BluesKaj> in the shell?
[02:58] <ablyss> the ./ opens it in the currect directory
[02:58] <ablyss> yes shell
[02:58] <Jucato> BluesKaj: have you tried opening Konqueror as root?
[02:59] <gatsby1984> hey- where can i find the barrel wiki?
[02:59] <BluesKaj> yes , but the problem is that it won't open the folder as root
[02:59] <Dr_willis> ablyss,  - seen very few problems with it.. much fewer then i expected..
[03:00] <max_> how do you remove flash 9
[03:00] <Jucato> BluesKaj: hm.. strange... it should work with any folder, since you'd be running it as root.
[03:00] <BluesKaj> the folder being  /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[03:00] <fnord__> whats the latest version of cedega?im looking for what to put in here: cedega_[version] .deb
[03:01] <ablyss> Dr_willis: me either.. other than the latter.. kde has much better bluetooth support in edgy than in dapper
[03:01] <BluesKaj> I'm trying to add the libflashplayer.so file to  /usr/lib/firefox/plugins as it tells to in the readme
[03:02] <ablyss> max_: generally you open the web brower and find where the plugin folder is... normally in $HOME/.firefox/plugins or /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[03:02] <BluesKaj> Jucato ,I'm trying to add the libflashplayer.so file to  /usr/lib/firefox/plugins as it tells to in the readme
[03:03] <BluesKaj> err as it says to
[03:03] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  theres some repos that have the flash beta  you an apt-get
[03:03] <ablyss> BluesKaj: make sure you add it as sudo
[03:03] <Jucato> BluesKaj: kdesu konqueror doesn't work?
[03:04] <Dr_willis> sudo cp libflashplayer.so  /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[03:04] <Dr_willis> is easier. :)
[03:04] <ablyss> the flashplayer installer always worked for me
[03:04] <Dr_willis> ablyss,  thats what i was thinking also
[03:04] <Jucato> Dr_willis: true... but that won't "explain" how/why it's not working in the GUI, right?
[03:04] <Dr_willis> i would have to guess 'BEBKAC"
[03:04] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:05] <Jucato> BEBKAC?
[03:05] <Dr_willis> oope PEBKAC :)
[03:05] <Jucato> ah :)
[03:05] <sinpath> how do i close apt-get from konsole?
[03:05] <Dr_willis> see its infecting everyone! :)
[03:05] <Jucato> :P
[03:05] <BluesKaj> ok , got it , thx ...doh ! ...I did that last nite , but my memory fails me ...getting old
[03:05] <Jucato> apparently, not me (yet)
[03:05] <ablyss> flashplayer installer is a shell script.. it wont run otherwise unless you use the konqueror 'run shell command'
[03:06] <Jucato> BluesKaj: how exactly were you trying to open the folder as root?
[03:07] <BluesKaj> I was mistakenly trying to open it with Kate
[03:07] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:07] <Dr_willis> pebkac!
[03:07] <Jucato> the Doctor makes a correct diagnosis again )
[03:07] <Jucato> :)
[03:08] <Dr_Pebkac> :)
[03:08] <Jucato> lol
[03:09] <sinpath> how do i shut off apt-get from konsole?
[03:09] <Dr_Pebkac> apt-get is a command ya type.. it runs and it exits...
[03:09] <Dr_Pebkac> shut off? Clarify your statement.
[03:09] <Jucato> what seems to be the problem?
[03:10] <sinpath> well when i try to run aadept manager it says apt get is still funning & i cant make systim changes
[03:11] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | sinpath
[03:11] <Ubotwo> sinpath: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[03:11] <parreira> Saudaes a todos...
[03:12] <sinpath> thank you
[03:12] <LjL> !pt | parreira
[03:12] <Ubotwo> parreira: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[03:12] <Dr_Pebkac> Nochos Bel Grande!
[03:12] <Dr_Pebkac> :)
[03:12] <Dr_Pebkac> Ricco Swavee
[03:12] <ablyss> Libre Nacho.. kids movie but good soundtrack
[03:14] <max_> how do you move somthin in teminal
[03:14] <max_> terminal
[03:14] <ablyss> generally 'mv'
[03:15] <Dr_Pebkac> !bash
[03:15] <Ubotwo> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[03:15] <max_> ablyss: how do you tell it where to move it too
[03:15] <parreira> alguem do sur de minass
[03:16] <Jucato> max_: mv <file/folder> <target file/folder name>
[03:18] <ablyss> max_: always good to embed your file and destination in strong quotes e.g., mv "foo bar" "/Documents/example 1/"
[03:18] <morvok> anyone farmiliar with easyUbuntu?
[03:18] <ablyss> or either get use to using tab-complete
[03:18] <Jucato> or use '\' before the spaces....
[03:18] <Jucato> !easyubuntu | morvok
[03:18] <Ubotwo> morvok: easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[03:20] <Jucato> hi Admiral_Chicago!
[03:21] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: 23 page physics final is done...
[03:21] <morvok> jucato: thanks. think I got it though. stupid computers.
[03:21] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll talk to you later though, I'm studying for calculus
[03:21] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: nice! good luck! :)
[03:22] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[03:24] <Jucato> hm... is there a sudo counterpart of "su - <username>"?
[03:24] <_kuja_> sudo su - username?
[03:25] <Jucato> hehe I guess I'll just have to su - username... :)
[03:26] <_kuja_> Shame that sudo -s behaves differently :(
[03:28] <root> where is the fire fox plugin directory
[03:29] <_kuja_> wait, jucato, sudo -i seems like it will do the trick for 'ya
[03:29] <Jucato> hm... let me try
[03:30] <BluesKaj> root , usually: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[03:30] <Jucato> sudo -i <username>?
[03:30] <BluesKaj> root , change yer nick pls ...it's unsafe
[03:30] <_kuja_> funny
[03:31] <Jucato> _kuja_: no, it's not funny... and it's not a joke, btw
[03:31] <BluesKaj> Gents, is it necessary to use clamav or any antivirus on kubuntu ?
[03:31] <_kuja_> jucato: sudo -u user -i
[03:31] <_kuja_> ladies and gentleman, root has left the server :O
[03:32] <Jucato> BluesKaj: only for the sake of people using Windows (files you may have received pass/forward to others may contain viruses)
[03:32] <Jucato> _kuja_: kool. thanks! :)
[03:32] <BluesKaj> yeah, i still use a windows partition
[03:33] <BluesKaj> but I'm running kaspersky on my windows partition
[03:33] <_kuja_> you're welcome jucato
[03:33] <Jucato> BluesKaj: well, you're Linux partition/system itself won't need the AV. your Windows partition/system might
[03:33] <BluesKaj> Kaspersky seems to do the jonb in windows
[03:34] <BluesKaj> job
[03:34] <murchadh_bhaba> root, ~/.mozilla
[03:34] <BluesKaj> BTW , I finally got flash9 beta running in FF
[03:34] <terry_> i use klamav before opening downloads or executing an unkown file
[03:36] <BluesKaj> wonder how many linux users have clamav or klamav running
[03:36] <BluesKaj> %-wise
[03:38] <terry_> i also use binfmt with wine and samba to connect to another winblows machine
[03:40] <BluesKaj> yeah, same here , tho I still cant connect from wifes windows pc to this linux box ...for some reason the assigned user and pw don't work
[03:42] <BluesKaj> Linux to windows NP, Windows parition to wife-Windows NP , but wife -windows to this kubuntu partition , no go :(
[03:45] <marcelo_> \j roga
[03:45] <flaccid> BluesKaj: #samba ?
[03:46] <BluesKaj> yup
[03:46] <flaccid> they can help you there
[03:47] <marcelo_> portugues!?
[03:47] <BluesKaj> yeah, no hurry ...it's not real important , it's just an annoyance i'd like to solve one of these days
[03:49] <flaccid> BluesKaj: samba in kcontrol is a good gui
[03:49] <max_> how do you install a .deb in a terminal
[03:49] <eia768> i just upgraded kubuntu to edgy and it seems to work ok, nice :-)
[03:49] <flaccid> max_: sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[03:50] <max_> thanks
[03:50] <marcelo_> install the firefox
[03:50] <compilerwriter1> What would cause one identity to be inuse even though you have no client online using it?
[03:52] <Jucato> Dr_Pebkac: are you sane right now, or still handling PEBKAC issues? :)
[03:54] <gatsby1984> !restricted
[03:54] <Ubotwo> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:54] <conn> hi, is it possible to change konqueror's loading animation from the "kubuntu" logo back to the blue "K"?
[03:56] <compilerwriter> It must have just taken a second for the blasted server to realize I was no longer connected.
[03:56] <_kuja_> conn, I've never seen the konqueror loading icon :D go to settings->performance and have it preload a copy or two or three, you won't have to see the loading icon anymore!
[03:57] <compilerwriter> I have been Reading Keir's book on Ubuntu and have read about Sbackup.  Now I want to ask you Kubuntu types if there is anything better offered by KDE?
[03:57] <Jucato> _kuja_: I think he meant the animated icon you see in Konqueror when loading a web page
[03:57] <_kuja_> hmm
[03:57] <manchicken> It's a throbber
[03:57] <Jucato> ah there :)
[03:57] <conn> _kuja_: uh, I'm talking about the logo that's static, and animates when loading. It has nothing to do with performance
[03:58] <conn> it's a theme element, but can't be changed when changing the theme in kcontrol
[03:58] <eia768> compilerwriter, i dont know about kde backup apps, but i ve used rdiff-backup for a while and it is ok for most aplications
[03:58] <conn> it seems one of the kubuntu setting packages changes it
[03:58] <_kuja_> ah, so when loading pages and not the app ... I think that's just the regular mouse cursor though isn't it?
[03:58] <_kuja_> a little spinner last I checked :\
[03:58] <conn> open konqueror, look to the right of the google search bar...
[03:58] <_kuja_> oh, THAT icon
[03:59] <conn> it's supposed to be a blue KDE "K"
[03:59] <_kuja_> I had completely forgotten that it existed ...
[03:59] <conn> I mean, I'd like it to be
[03:59] <compilerwriter> thanks for the input eia768  Anyone else care to weigh in?
[03:59] <conn> I can remove the kubuntu-default-settings package, but that removes other preferences I actually want on my system
[03:59] <Jucato> hm...
[04:01] <swim> hey folks is there a repo for stuff like libdvdcss and w32codecs?
[04:02] <eia768> compilerwriter , i ve used keeper that uses rdiff-backup as backend, but what i can say about this kind of tool is ---> you cant trust it very much! console tools like rdiff-backup are the best and more secure ever, keep used to make kde broke on dapper... so ... how could i manage backups? and if u dont have X running for a while? what can u do? who can u manage u backups?
[04:02] <DaveQB> swim mutli-verse ?
[04:02] <swim> DaveQB: oh, I thought I had that setup already...
[04:02] <compilerwriter> _kuja_ have you made it to China yet?
[04:03] <_kuja_> Not just yet
[04:03] <_kuja_> passing the middle of the earth now :P
[04:05] <rcrook> compilerwriter: I actually wrote my own script that fires off from cron. Backs up to tape
[04:05] <Jucato> conn: I think I may have found it.. just give me a few moments
[04:05] <Jucato> conn: you still there?
[04:06] <_kuja_> I do believe I've made it to china
[04:06] <conn> Jucato: yes, thanks
[04:06] <_kuja_> And here's the link to prove it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79941
[04:06] <conn> Jucato: I've located the icon: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/icons/crystalsvg/32x32/actions/kde.png
[04:06] <eia768> compilerwriter, cron + rdiff-backup ---> this is the easy way to backup from console
[04:06] <Jucato> conn: yep. and also for 22x22
[04:07] <Jucato> conn: delete/hide/move those, and it will revert to the original KDE throbber
[04:07] <Jucato> _kuja_: that may be a bit too big a change for a simple throbber :)
[04:07] <eia768> DaveQB thx
[04:07] <_kuja_> Might be
[04:07] <_kuja_> But half the reason I looked for that was for me :)
[04:07] <conn> Jucato: thanks
[04:08] <eia768> i ll be back, i ll restar X
[04:08] <eia768> restart*
[04:08] <Jucato> _kuja_: if you want to get the other Konqueror profiles back, that won't be enough though (for Dapper and Edgy)
[04:08] <_kuja_> gah
[04:09] <_kuja_> Go figure ...
[04:09] <Jucato> you just get the menus back, that's all
[04:09] <hex_st0rm> !gamba
[04:09] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[04:09] <hex_st0rm> i installed gamba, where is it?
[04:09] <hex_st0rm> its not in the Kmenu
[04:09] <hex_st0rm> wtf
[04:09] <Jucato> _kuja_: you need those other profiles?
[04:10] <Jucato> !gambas
[04:10] <Ubotwo> gambas - Visual development environment for the Gambas programming language
[04:10] <_kuja_> Hmm, link I opened in the second tab seems more relevant to edgy/dapper
[04:10] <Jucato> ??
[04:11] <eia768> back again
[04:11] <_kuja_> Jucato: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/Information/KonquerorProfiles -- this one
[04:13] <Jucato> _kuja_: lol!
[04:13] <Jucato> _kuja_: http://jucato.org/kde/konq-profiles.html compare the two
[04:14] <_kuja_> striking similarity :O
[04:14] <_kuja_> Only other large difference is who comes up higher in google ...
[04:14] <Jucato> :(
[04:15] <Jucato> well at least the info gets around. no matter whose site it's on :)
[04:15] <_kuja_> Yup
[04:15] <mga_mark> Hello Kubuntu users!
[04:15] <compilerwriter> hello mga_mark
[04:15] <_kuja_> hiya
[04:15] <mga_mark> I'm getting ready to install kubuntu!
[04:16] <compilerwriter> Welcome Mga_mark  We are here to be of any assistance we can.  Jucato pull yourself together! Mga_mark may need us.
[04:16] <mga_mark> I'm wondering if it's going to be that big a deal. I don't think I'll leave any room for Windows. But I may end up using crossover, if anyone out there can say if it works.
[04:16] <Jucato> _kuja_: keep the ring. I was talking about my howto :)
[04:17] <nixternal> mga_mark: x-over works great
[04:17] <Jucato> uh oh... we have no bot...
[04:17] <nixternal> who needs a bot?
[04:17] <nixternal> we have you Jucato
[04:17] <Jucato> lol
[04:17] <nixternal> jeesh ;p
[04:18] <Jucato> ah there
[04:18] <nixternal> that was fast, coffee shop must be around the corner
[04:18] <Jucato> hehe
[04:18] <Fleebailey33> kubuntu takes 30 times to boot
[04:18] <_kuja_> Jucato: thanks anyhow, seems you're the true author of my fix :)
[04:19] <_kuja_> 30 times?
[04:19] <Fleebailey33> im dual booting with grub and media center edition and that boots fine
[04:19] <Fleebailey33> yes
[04:19] <Fleebailey33> it hangs
[04:19] <Fleebailey33> but on 30
[04:19] <Fleebailey33> it  boot
[04:19] <Fleebailey33> is it because of fsck?
[04:19] <_kuja_> Interesting problem
[04:19] <Jucato> _kuja_: well, even if I'm not the author, I'm the one hosting the other profiles :P
[04:19] <pacman> anyone know an equalizer that I can download?  The one on VLC sucks
[04:19] <compilerwriter> mga_mark your recovery from winblows will be much more complete if you just go off it cold turkey.
[04:19] <campbch> ello
[04:19] <Fleebailey33> can i enable that every time?
[04:19] <mga_mark> Hey compilerwriter
[04:19] <Jucato> (although I'm not saying I'm not the author lol)
[04:20] <compilerwriter> Hey mga_mark
[04:20] <Jucato> by default, ext3 partitions are checked (fsck'ed) every 30 mounts
[04:20] <mga_mark> What if my wife insisits on using Microsoft Office? Will it work with crossover?
[04:21] <campbch> just curious, my laptop can run WoW at reasonable framerates and such in optimal conditions, eg. intel's favored windows, but is there a way to get to use its capacity on linux? at all? im pretty sure i have hardware rendering on and everything, but even on games like neverball i get maybe 15 fps
[04:21] <campbch> which makes me wonder if i have it set up correctly
[04:21] <compilerwriter> mga_mark that could proove to be a bit of a sticky wicket.
[04:21] <campbch> now, getting wow running is a different story, i realize, but i am having very many problems running GL
[04:21] <campbch> beryl is fine, though i'd like to note that
[04:21] <mga_mark> What do yoiu mean?
[04:22] <Fleebailey33> Jucato: but how do i default to everytime?
[04:22] <campbch> anyone have any info, suggestions?
[04:22] <compilerwriter> Of all the things to try to get running that are native to Win&*%#@ Office would be the thing that would get ones tit caught in the ringer.
[04:22] <Jucato> hm.. that I don't know... probably something in fstab...
[04:23] <Fleebailey33> yeah i figured
[04:23] <mga_mark> What's sticky about it?
[04:23] <Fleebailey33> maybe sync would fix it
[04:23] <Fleebailey33> be slow though
[04:23] <compilerwriter> Have you had your wife play with Open Office?
[04:24] <Jucato> anyone here familiar with compiling apps in places other than /usr and /usr/local
[04:24] <manchicken> OpenOffice.org is nice.
[04:24] <mga_mark> Yeah. She thinks she need Micro, like at work. Me, I use OpenOffice all the time. I prefer it.
[04:24] <unix_infidel> Jucato: what's your question.
[04:24] <manchicken> Though KOffice is certainly nice.
[04:24] <Adlai> Jucato, --prefix= is your friend, I believe
[04:24] <unix_infidel> Adlai: is correct.
[04:24] <max_> does anyone else have the problem with flash in firefox going above all text and dropdown menus
[04:25] <manchicken> mga_mark: Just don't run windows, the problem will go away ^_^
[04:25] <unix_infidel> be VERY careful where you choose your binary dest though.
[04:25] <Jucato> unix_infidel, Adlai: yes, I've done that. it compiled very successfully. my problem is actually getting KDE itself to recognize/run it...
[04:25] <mga_mark> I agree. Don't use Windows.
[04:25] <_kuja_> max: that's a known problem with the flash 9 betas
[04:25] <unix_infidel> Jucato: why oh WHY would you be compiling a DE in a nonstandard dest
[04:26] <Adlai> Jucato, just make a new .desktop file
[04:26] <compilerwriter> What is she doing in Winblows that she can't manage in OO mga_mark
[04:26] <unix_infidel> and 2) why OHH WHYYYY are you using a de :P
[04:26] <max_> kuja: i use flash 7
[04:26] <Jucato> I've compiled another version of Konversation from KDE SVN.
[04:26] <_kuja_> max: flash 7 was never particularly great either
[04:26] <Jucato> unix_infidel: because I'm trying to learn to develop for KDE. wouldn't make sense if I won't use it, right?
[04:26] <max_> kuja: how can i fix it?
[04:26] <Adlai> Jucato, look up the format of a .desktop file
[04:26] <_kuja_> max: no idea
[04:27] <Adlai> in terms of getting KDE to recognize it automatically, you're looking at environment variables with which I have no experience
[04:27] <Adlai> probably changing KDEPATH or PATH or something
[04:27] <Adlai> good luck though, I'm out
[04:27] <unix_infidel> Jucato: I'm no help there.  It just makes sense to me that If I'm developing for a DE that requires the user to install binaries in $DESTDIR i should put them there as well.
[04:27] <Jucato> Adlai: the .desktop doesn't mention any directory. just the executable. it still runs /usr/bin/konversation, even if launching it from the terminal launches the correct (SVN) version
[04:27] <mga_mark> I think OpenOffice is better than Microsoft Office. But if my wife thinks the other is better, i just thought it would make the switch to Linux easier.
[04:28] <Adlai> well, Jucato, you can always give it the absolute path to the executable
[04:28] <unix_infidel> mga_mark: use cxoffice.
[04:28] <Jucato> heh true.. just wondering if it could be done automatically, (as  KDE said was possible, but on Gentoo...)
[04:28] <mga_mark> What's exoffice?
[04:29] <mga_mark> I guess that was a joke, huh?
[04:29] <compilerwriter> Well, mga_mark, it is like this.  She really wouldn't be making the switch, in all truth.  I am afraid that you would find yourself getting Microsoft Office to sort of work and then the one thing she really needs won't.  That would just be ugly.
[04:30] <compilerwriter> She can export anything in OO to MS format.  She would also be able to freely install OO on her Winblows machine at work.
[04:31] <mga_mark> She already has it there. It's more psychological than logical, if you know what i mean.
[04:31] <_kuja_> could take ms windows, and install it in a virtual machine, then install ms office within that. Could.
[04:31] <compilerwriter> I guess then it all boils down to how much is she going to bitch, and how much 25 year old scotch you have on hand mga_mark.
[04:31] <mga_mark> Hey compilerwriter, how easy is it to install programs in Linux. All I've done so far is run Kubunu from the Live CD.
[04:32] <compilerwriter> For the most part it is quite easy.
[04:32] <campbch> mga_mark: using apt, even easier than windows
[04:33] <mga_mark> It's not quite like simply clicking on a file, and the rest is done by the computer?
[04:33] <max_> does anyone else have the problem with flash in firefox going above all text and dropdown menus
[04:33] <unix_infidel> Jucato: maybe you should ask in a kde dev channel.
[04:33] <campbch> mga_mark: more like highlighting something from like a catalogue, and telling it which ones you want
[04:33] <compilerwriter> It is actually about just like that for the most part.
[04:33] <Dr_Pebkac> Yea... a 5 yr old just dumped a whole can of fish food  in my tank.. then sprayed a whole can of air freshner over my pc and desk.......
[04:33] <Dr_Pebkac> Arent KIDS FUN!
[04:33] <unix_infidel> Jucato: i'm sure the guys like to have their cake and eat it too ya know
[04:33] <compilerwriter> mga_mark though some software is a little bit more problematic.
[04:33] <Dr_Pebkac> I now have the nicest smelling PC in the world...
[04:34] <_kuja_> mga_mark: it's easy to the point that you don't even have to download said file, you just click and install through another software (like adept).
[04:34] <Dr_Pebkac> bbl
[04:34] <mga_mark> Well, for example, if I want to install Firefox, what do I do?
[04:34] <compilerwriter> 25 year-old scotch drunk neat is always a plus in those rare instances :-}
[04:34] <Jucato> unix_infidel: the kde dev I talked too doesn't know why it's not working.. going to ask in kubuntu dev
[04:34] <compilerwriter> It will already be there my friend.
[04:34] <campbch> mga_mark: open adept, type "firefox", click firefox, press install
[04:34] <mga_mark> Is adept inclluded in Kubuntu?
[04:35] <campbch> it will make a check, and then you can select other programs if you want
[04:35] <compilerwriter> mga_mark yes it is the package manager.
[04:35] <Jucato> mga_mark: yes.
[04:35] <campbch> yep, you type adept-manager, or find it under system in the k menu
[04:35] <campbch> use alt+f2 for the command
[04:35] <tomlins> this is so cool
[04:35] <compilerwriter> It is an integral part of installing and removing software in Kubuntu
[04:35] <mga_mark> So you don't have to download it
[04:35] <campbch> mga_mark: well, it does it for you
[04:36] <compilerwriter> adept will do the work for you.
[04:36] <mga_mark> What if you do download something, Do you use adept to installl that too?
[04:37] <campbch> mga_mark: those are called "repositories", and are defined in the sources.list file. they are basically a catalogue of programs specifically compiled for your processor archetype and distrobution, and once you tell it to install it will do all of the tedious stuff for you
[04:37] <campbch> to download a file, you do the same as any other OS
[04:37] <compilerwriter> mga_mark if adept can handle the software via the repositories it will do all the downloading for you.
[04:37] <campbch> which is to use the download manager that comes with, say, firefox
[04:37] <DaveQB> mga_mark  theres a GUI frontend you can install with adept that allows for right click installs of Deb's in your file system
[04:38] <DaveQB> starts with G its gnome app
[04:38] <DaveQB> i cant recall it
[04:38] <compilerwriter> mga_mark now say if you download a tarball.  Then you may have to use dpkg or even compile it yourself.  Not a big deal though.
[04:38] <mga_mark> Well, I'm looking forward to seeing it all work. You can't do much with the Live CD, unless I'm mistaken.
[04:38] <_kuja_> daveqb: I think you're talking about gdebi ... there's something there for doing the same in kubuntu, but it's a "quick fix"
[04:38] <compilerwriter> You can in combination with a thumb drive.
[04:39] <DaveQB> _kuja_  really ? I hope they do develop a native qt/K app like gdebi
[04:39] <campbch> mga_mark: there are two types of things you'd ever want to download; programs and media. you would use the programs, say amarok for mp3s, to play the media, which in this example would be the mp3. you use adept-manager to download a program, and then either a p2p program or a browser for the mp3 file. it's the same process under pretty much any circumstances
[04:39] <campbch> if its a really, really, really new program, like, yesterday new, you will probably not find it in the repositories
[04:39] <campbch> but tomorrow it will be there :D
[04:39] <_kuja_> daveqb: it's on their "to-do list"
[04:40] <reave|css> werd peeps..
[04:40] <reave|css> I need a hand
[04:40] <mga_mark> It sounds great. Would you ever go back to Windows? my guess is NO.
[04:40] <reave|css> does kubuntu support sata drives natively?
[04:40] <campbch> mga_mark you can use a usb thumbdrive, if you really want to get down with it
[04:40] <_kuja_> reave: yes
[04:40] <reave|css> so I have a bare machine and it will find my sata drive?
[04:40] <campbch> other than that, backup what you want and click the little install button
[04:40] <reave|css> I dont have to install a sata driver?
[04:40] <_kuja_> rave: yup
[04:41] <_kuja_> **reave
[04:41] <reave|css> winxp sucks
[04:41] <DaveQB> _kuja_  cool!
[04:41] <campbch> mga_mark: actually, i am in pain now, using windows, because im using XGL/beryl for my desktop... makes everything so fluid and natural
[04:41] <campbch> like shuffling papers on a desk
[04:41] <campbch> to where it hurts me dearly to use windows, and be so slow and unproductive
[04:41] <reave|css> I have a barely working drive with a master boot record on it...
[04:41] <reave|css> and a sata drive with my xp on it.
[04:42] <compilerwriter> Well mga_mark are going to take the plunge or wuss out?
[04:42] <campbch> don't pressure him
[04:42] <campbch> ;p
[04:42] <mga_mark> No, I'm taking the plunge.
[04:42] <campbch> let him get used to it; if he doesn't like it, it may take some time to get used to
[04:42] <mga_mark> Liinux is the future.
[04:43] <mga_mark> Linux is the future of education too.
[04:43] <campbch> liinux? :P they haven't tried? at least openly, have they... i wanna see the remote setup
[04:43] <_kuja_> So we hope
[04:43] <mga_mark> I think it should be used in our schools
[04:43] <compilerwriter> mga_mark linux is the present.  A good chunk of the web is on linux servers.  Like Most of it.
[04:43] <mga_mark> That's true
[04:44] <mga_mark> More every day.
[04:44] <compilerwriter> It would save the schools assloads of money spent on operating systems.
[04:44] <mga_mark> I loaded it on my widescreen laptop, but it didn't seem to support my screen too well
[04:44] <mga_mark> There must be a way around that
[04:45] <campbch> actually i hear mac is really popular with educational institutions... the only problem with mainstream adoption of linux, and i mean the ONLY problem, is that people just don't know how to use it. the only, ONLY real cost to user of using linux is in learning how to use it
[04:45] <compilerwriter> You might be able to do something about that in the install options.
[04:45] <campbch> mga_mark: what is your graphics chipset?
[04:45] <intelikey> hmmm interesting ubuntu's pastebin doesn't work with some chars
[04:46] <intelikey> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37678/plain/
[04:46] <compilerwriter> _kuja_ what are you crossing your fingers over?
[04:46] <mga_mark> ATI mobility
[04:46] <campbch> i know i had to install 915resolution for mine, so that it emulated changes in the video bios and switched the resolution
[04:46] <campbch> perhaps after you install all of the proper drivers it will work better
[04:46] <mga_mark> It's a Dell E1505 Inspiron
[04:47] <eia768> anyone having problems with  apt-index-watcher
[04:47] <eia768> ?
[04:47] <campbch> the next version of (k/x/ed)ubuntu will have those drivers built-in. it'll make things much, much easier to install and get running, but some people don't like it because it isn't a "free" operating system at that point
[04:47] <_kuja_> compilerwriter: life, the universe, and everything
[04:48] <manchicken> mga_mark: What model of ATI mobility?
[04:48] <eia768> here cpu usage goes to 60% or more every 5 seconds
[04:48] <manchicken> eia768: What program is using the CPU?
[04:48] <compilerwriter> mga_mark Keir Thomas has published a book "Beginning Ubuntu Linux: From Novice to Professional"  I think you will find it an invaluable reference.  Then you have all of us here as well.
[04:48] <mga_mark> Radeon X1400
[04:48] <eia768>  apt-index-watcher
[04:49] <mga_mark> Why wouldn't it still be a free operating system?
[04:49] <wombat_> help, Grub lost win xp
[04:49] <eia768> manchicken,  apt-index-watcher is buggy
[04:50] <eia768> wombat_  , grub is trying to free u self from windows
[04:50] <campbch> mga_mark: are you familiar with the differences between proprietary and open-source software?
[04:50] <mga_mark> Yes
[04:50] <eia768> !apt-index-watcher
[04:50] <Ubotwo> apt-index-watcher - Updater for apt-front indexes - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[04:50] <campbch> ok
[04:51] <mga_mark> But to work with a widescreen , why can't it stay open source?
[04:51] <rcrook> !pastebin
[04:51] <Ubotwo> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:51] <BluesKaj> mga_mark, check this out if you need the open source ATI fglrx drivers for direct rendering and 3D
[04:51] <BluesKaj> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[04:51] <intelikey> free as in free speach -vs- free as in free beer
[04:51] <compilerwriter> wombat grub has done you a favour.  Take it out for a pint and consider yourself a recovered winblows user.
[04:51] <campbch> if any part of a linux distro has proprietary software, which it might have to since open-source drivers do not exist for some hardware, it is not considered completely free
[04:52] <wombat_> eia768_ lol I thought as much (jk) I did some updates in kubuntu and suddenly I have twice as many linux boot options in grub and no windows boot options
[04:52] <campbch> its like, free as in legally free... it still won't cost you
[04:52] <intelikey> free beer and free speach mixed togather can produce free bleeding.
[04:52] <campbch> intelikey: wha?
[04:52] <mga_mark> I saved that link. Thanks
[04:52] <manchicken> eia768: How do you figure it's buggy?
[04:53] <eia768> manchicken  lots of bug reports
[04:53] <eia768> manchicken , and it should not make my cpu usage go to 100% every 5 seconds
[04:53] <mga_mark> You guys are very helpful. I gotta go now, but I sure want to come back. this is a cool place. Thanks.
[04:53] <campbch> laters
[04:53] <compilerwriter> Your more than welcome.  Mga_mark
[04:54] <rcrook> wombat_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37683/ this is the entry that needs to be in your /boot/grub/menu.lst file.. just adjust the hdXX details for your XP partition
[04:54] <BluesKaj> mga_mark, it'll make the fgl_glxgears spin in 3D if nothing else :)
[04:54] <mga_mark> Thanks again
[04:54] <eia768> manchicken , i just stopped the service and now it is ok, i can play my 3d games
[04:54] <BluesKaj> hehe
[04:54] <BluesKaj> NP
[04:54] <manchicken> eia768: How old is the install?
[04:54] <pacman> anyone know an equalizer that I can download?  The one on VLC sucks
[04:54] <compilerwriter> Have a scotch and smoke a Cuban robusto for me.
[04:54] <wombat_> I changed grub's config originally so my machine would boot to win xp by default (for the missus) and I could choose to boot to kubuntu. now I have all the kubuntu boot options where I originally put the win xp boot options in the grub menu.
[04:54] <eia768> manchicken , 30 minutes or more
[04:54] <intelikey> hmmm place is cool.....  *turns the heat up...
[04:55] <manchicken> eia768: Let it index your apt repos.
[04:55] <manchicken> eia768: It only goes like that for a little while..
[04:55] <eia768> manchicken  , over an hour?
[04:55] <pacman> anyone?
[04:56] <manchicken> eia768: Depends on repos, installed packages, memory, processor speed, disk speed.
[04:56] <compilerwriter> I use kmix without problem pacman
[04:56] <manchicken> For me it took about 20 minutes or so.
[04:56] <eia768> manchicken , so why so many bug reports about it?  people reboot and it continues
[04:56] <manchicken> eia768: It's gotta index.
[04:56] <pacman> compilerwriter:  looking for something to adjust the different channels
[04:57] <campbch> oh NOES!!!!!
[04:57] <manchicken> eia768: It's a database.  It needs to know where it's putting stuff.
[04:57] <eia768> manchicken , ok , i ll try, but this kind of thing did not happened on dapper with the very same PC
[04:58] <manchicken> eia768: Sure it did.
[04:58] <eia768> manchicken , i just started it again... i ll wait for half an hour
[04:58] <intelikey> noes ?
[04:59] <dsmith_> ok I am back
[05:00] <[Relic] > I know you can import one profile into firefox, but is there anyway you can import another?
[05:01] <manchicken> eia768: Just remember, not all bug reports are correct ^_^
[05:01] <rcrook> one sec [Relic] 
[05:01] <eia768> manchicken look this for example    http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=9704.0
[05:01] <[Relic] > this is the repository version from 6.10, there is no import in the menu
[05:03] <manchicken> eia768: Try firing off a few apt-get updates and see if that helps anything too.
[05:03] <rcrook> [Relic] : damn.. there is no import on the profile manager either.
[05:04] <swim> hey folks how do I get the theme manager? When I go into "System Settings" ->
[05:04] <swim> "Apperance" there is no Theme Manager
[05:05] <intelikey> dl time remaining 2h6m17s
[05:05] <rcrook> [Relic] : you could do it manually. b copying the file and editing the profiles.ini file
[05:05] <[Relic] > bookmarks is the only thing, not that that is totally bad
[05:05] <intelikey> arrr!
[05:06] <[Relic] > swim, like dekorator?
[05:06] <stdin> swim: alt-f2, type in "kcontrol", theme manager is in there
[05:06] <swim> oh thanks stdin
[05:08] <intelikey> is the top button in the kmenu > system > settings   not kcontrol ?
[05:08] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: what trouble are you causing? :-P
[05:08] <intelikey> oh not a lot T3hWiz0rd  hehhe
[05:08] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: well then I am disappointed.
[05:09] <rcrook> no intelikey  its hidden... irks me no end
[05:09] <rcrook> added the settings applet so I could get to it easily
[05:10] <stdin> you can get the "Settings" menu in the K menu
[05:10] <intelikey> just wondering if the kmenu from kde and the one form kubuntu-desktop were really that different....
[05:10] <rcrook> not on mine for some screw ball rerason
[05:10] <intelikey> rcrook you can right click the kmenu and configure it  to  'not be hidden'   select what you want to appear
[05:11] <Jucato> what's hidden?
[05:12] <rcrook> woohoo.. thanks intelikey... you learn something new everyday:)
[05:12] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey's uhhglayness just hid itself!
[05:12] <T3hWiz0rd> ITS LIKE A WIND0ZE MIRACLE!
[05:12] <intelikey> lol
[05:20] <Czex> anyone here know if there's a way to get shockwave to work?
[05:20] <unix_infidel> 2no
[05:20] <kilrae_> easy ubuntu isn't as easy as it could be
[05:20] <kilrae_> afaik, there is no linux shockwave player
[05:21] <intelikey> !i
[05:21] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[05:21] <unix_infidel> there's wine and vmware if shockwave is mission critical.
[05:21] <kilrae_> :O they changed the bot
[05:21] <Jucato> !shockwave
[05:21] <Ubotwo> Shockwave is currently only available for Windows. To run it under !Wine, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Shockwave
[05:21] <kilrae_> !anything
[05:21] <unix_infidel> wtf? ubotwo?
[05:21] <kilrae_> and the bot is ignoring me
[05:21] <kilrae_> !stupid bot
[05:21] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[05:21] <kilrae_> it no longer repeats what it doesn't no about
[05:22] <kilrae_> no more hilarious midnight bot teasing
[05:22] <unix_infidel> but ehwy is it called ubotwo now?
[05:22] <Jucato> it's a temporary substitute for ubotu while it's down
[05:23] <intelikey> i could be wrong but that looks more like a sub    when ubotu is all fixed up it'll be back
[05:23] <intelikey> Jucato :)
[05:23] <Jucato> :P
[05:24] <Jucato> miraculously... you're not wrong :)
[05:24] <intelikey> on my screen mine was first.
 i could be wrong but that looks more like a sub    when ubotu is
[05:24] <intelikey>             all fixed up it'll be back
 it's a temporary substitute for ubotu while it's down
[05:24] <phobiac> Anyone know of a linux program, or even better an online website, that can rip the audio from a .swf file?
[05:24] <intelikey> :)
[05:25] <intelikey> lag inverts things like that.
[05:25] <unix_infidel> phobiac: only thing i know that can do that is a flash player.
[05:25] <unix_infidel> erm an flv player.
[05:26] <phobiac> VLC plays .flv files, can it rip the audio only from a .swf unix_infidel?
[05:26] <rcrook> OMG.. for the first time ever I managed to get skyglobe to work under wine!!!!
[05:26] <unix_infidel> phobiac: why not just use flash8
[05:27] <phobiac> unix_infidel: It's not free is it?
[05:27] <unix_infidel> of course not.
[05:27] <intelikey> !flash9
[05:27] <Ubotwo> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[05:28] <unix_infidel> intelikey: flash 8 is part of studio 8
[05:28] <Jucato> Flash 8 never had a Linux version
[05:28] <unix_infidel> flash 9 player is standalone swf player.
[05:28] <phobiac> Hmm, I'm looking for something free that can do it. I doubt I'll ever have to do it again for a long time.
[05:29] <phobiac> No use spending money on something I'm only going to use once.
[05:29] <unix_infidel> lol, flash  is pretty proprietary stuff, maybe you can find a as2 script in #flash
[05:30] <phobiac> I'll try that then
[05:34] <intelikey> hmmmm i'm blasting .ogg files to the dsp with sox chattelizing this bx thingy installing 400m of new packages got a dos emulator running with apps in it and only used 22072k of ram  :)
[05:34] <phobiac> Well, thanks
[05:36] <intelikey> if i could get this dialup line as effecient as the os i'd have it made.
[05:36] <reave|css> do you guys mind if I ask total noob questions?
[05:36] <stdin> don't ask to ask, just ask
[05:36] <reave|css> cool...
[05:37] <intelikey> yes
[05:37] <bgsteffens> all i ask are total noob questions lol
[05:37] <reave|css> lol
[05:38] <reave|css> kubuntu installs itself from the dvd?  what should I expect?
[05:38] <rcrook> pwd
[05:38] <rcrook> opps... ww
[05:38] <dsmith_> ok
[05:38] <dsmith_> write permissions for a external USB drive
[05:38] <stdin> reave|css: can you be more specific?
[05:39] <stdin> it's rather a broad question :p
[05:39] <_kuja_> reave: the dvd can do it all
[05:39] <intelikey> reave|css you can expect to be disapointed.  you will be comming to a system you know nothing about and expecting to already be an expert in it....
[05:41] <intelikey> you can expect the learning curve to be much higher than that you are accustom too
[05:41] <dsmith_> curve? its more like a vertical wall
[05:41] <reave|css> great.....
[05:41] <stdin> it helps if you're enthusiastic in linux, as there is a lot to learn
[05:41] <reave|css> I just need to solve a problem
[05:42] <intelikey> you can expect some people to be really nice in trying to help you and others to just mock and diss you.
[05:42] <dsmith_> i hate the mockery
[05:42] <stdin> we're all nice in here
[05:42] <stdin> mostly :p
[05:42] <reave|css> I have a sata HD.  windows xp cant recognize it and any driver floppy I make seems to corrupt the windows install process..
[05:42] <dsmith_> everyone here has been helpful for me
[05:42] <reave|css> I pretty much need a slipstreamed driver in xp.
[05:42] <intelikey> _kuja_/#kubuntu has never been mocked
[05:42] <intelikey> now you ave.
[05:42] <intelikey> have.
[05:42] <intelikey> :)
[05:43] <reave|css> I thought perhaps a os that has native support of sata would be a better fit.
[05:43] <reave|css> I need to run counter strike soure...
[05:43] <reave|css> for everything else.. I can learn as I go...
[05:44] <reave|css> stupid weather in the states ruined my steam
[05:44] <reave|css> I am getting screwy errors that I cant correct.
[05:44] <dsmith_> maxtor stinks.. "when I called the manufacturer's (Maxtor) tech support. When I told them that my machine runs on Linux, they simply said that they don't support it and stopped the conversation."
[05:44] <dsmith_> ..just read that
[05:45] <_kuja_> Maxtor, no wonder you had trouble o.O
[05:46] <dsmith_> no its not a maxor drive
[05:46] <dsmith_> my usb drive is WD
[05:46] <unix_infidel> why would you even tell them?
[05:46] <dsmith_> it was a story I read
[05:46] <dsmith_> I did not call maxtor.....lol
[05:47] <intelikey> only maxtor hardware i've used was older ide hd's   all worked ok...
[05:47] <gtwy> is there a command line app to see how much bandwidth is currently being used
[05:47] <gtwy> transmitted through eth0
[05:47] <_kuja_> as per cs source, this may help: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=835
[05:47] <_kuja_> Once again proving that google knows all
[05:47] <dsmith_> i use dumeter in windows, not sure in linux?
[05:47] <intelikey> dsmith_ what was the number you called ?
[05:47] <intelikey> :)
[05:48] <dsmith_> lol.. I didn't call Maxtor. I pasted that from an article I read
[05:48] <dsmith_> wow hl2 via wine
[05:49] <reave|css> I was going to use wine
[05:50] <reave|css> Im downloading kubuntu atm.
[05:50] <reave|css> do most of the applications in linux install with wizards or do I have to use a lot of console commands
[05:50] <intelikey> traffic-vis - A sniffer that can display reports in HTML, Postscript and other formats   <<< not sure....
[05:50] <dsmith_> kubuntu is nice
[05:51] <intelikey> dsmith_ when did you make that call cause the time of day might matter...  :)
[05:51] <reave|css> the last linux install I had was about 1999 -2000 I ran slackware for about 2 days
[05:51] <intelikey> reave|css no
[05:51] <_kuja_> reave, most stuff you don't even have to search out and downlaod, and you can just pick out what you want and click install.
[05:51] <intelikey> reave|css no neither.
[05:51] <dsmith_> i didnt call maxtor
[05:52] <intelikey> reave|css ubuntu uses the debian package manager  dpkg  and  several frontends
[05:53] <_kuja_> apt-get, aptitude, dselect, adept, and I hope there aren't any more installed than that, would be kind of redundant ...
[05:53] <stdin> that's the default set, yeah
[05:54] <intelikey> don't forget synaptic ^
[05:54] <stdin> not default for kubuntu
[05:54] <dsmith_> which is better?
[05:54] <stdin> but it is what I use
[05:54] <dsmith_> adept or synaptic
[05:54] <intelikey> but certainly avalable
[05:54] <stdin> what's better depends on what's better for YOU
[05:55] <dsmith_> *shrug* OK
[05:55] <intelikey> the better one is the one you like the best
[05:55] <stdin> try both, see what you like
[05:55] <dsmith_> I HAVE BEFORE, UNDECIDED
[05:55] <dsmith_> ooops sorry
[05:55] <stdin> then use both
[05:56] <intelikey> dsmith_ when did you make that call ?
[05:56] <intelikey> :)
[05:56] <dsmith_> Intel.. are you trying to get on my nerves?
[05:56] <dsmith_> lol
[05:56] <stdin> you're just tryin to wind him up now :p
[05:56] <intelikey> is it working ?
[05:56] <reave|css> thugs on irc
[05:56] <dsmith_> naw...
[05:56] <reave|css> lol
[05:56] <dsmith_> *rolls* eyes
[05:57] <dsmith_> ok well looks like I should just reformat to ext3
[05:58] <dsmith_> thatway I have a place to store my backups
[05:58] <dsmith_> :)
[05:58] <intelikey> yeah i was just razzing you.    i saw that it was a quote when you first posted it.  also noticed your first mention that it was someone else  and because it seemed to be a point of contintion thought i'd poke it a little and see where it went.  no offence intended.
[05:59] <dsmith_> no problem
[05:59] <dsmith_> I was going to say.... he possibly cannot be that stupd
[05:59] <dsmith_> lol
[06:00] <intelikey> i would hope to be shot if i were.
[06:00] <intelikey> :)
[06:00] <murchadh_bhaba> Nah, intelikey smart, Agent dude dumb!
[06:01] <intelikey> lol
[06:01] <murchadh_bhaba> hehe
[06:01] <intelikey> mister heckel and agent jive  lol
[06:02] <murchadh_bhaba> Two of the reasons I lurk here!
[06:02] <intelikey> really ?>
[06:02] <swim> does kubuntu have an automounter installed by default? I just inserted a dvd and it didnt automount
[06:03] <intelikey> swim yes
[06:03] <swim> intelikey: is there something I can do for it to start working?
[06:03] <intelikey> swim kernel side code and not sure what backend...
[06:04] <RoKFiT> intelikey: can you help me solve a problem with my sound card, or diagnose the problem
[06:04] <swim> odd it automounts cds, but not dvds in the dvd player
[06:04] <swim> or dvd drive
[06:05] <intelikey> swim right click the desktop and configure   enable unmounted media and mounted media  maybe?
[06:05] <intelikey> RoKFiT maybe.
[06:05] <intelikey> RoKFiT what you got ?
[06:05] <RoKFiT> NVidia CK804
[06:05] <RoKFiT> popping audio on playback
[06:05] <intelikey> RoKFiT edgy ?
[06:06] <RoKFiT> yes
[06:06] <intelikey> k let me look around a bit.
[06:07] <swim> hrmmm
[06:07] <stdin> RoKFiT: sound troubleshooting page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[06:08] <RoKFiT> intelikey: a guy in #alsa suggested there may be a conflict on the IRQ 225 which libata and NVidia CK804 is on.  He suggested changing the IRQ in bios, but there is not a setting for it.
[06:08] <RoKFiT> i have tried changing all irq's and none fixed it
[06:09] <intelikey> RoKFiT it could be   but i'm more inclined to think it may be arts not playing nice with the hardware.
[06:09] <mankeletord> hi all
[06:09] <mankeletord> can i install kubuntu from another distro?
[06:09] <intelikey> RoKFiT do you have a .wav or .ogg file you can test with.
[06:10] <intelikey> ?
[06:10] <RoKFiT> yes, all files produce errors
[06:10] <RoKFiT> i've copied same files to windows for them to play fine
[06:10] <intelikey> mankeletord *buntu  yes  others no.
[06:10] <dope> hey buddies the automatix site is down so i don't know how to install it for kubuntu
[06:10] <intelikey> RoKFiT k install sox and drop to a console and test one of them
[06:11] <RoKFiT> install from adept_manager?
[06:11] <intelikey> RoKFiT yes
[06:11] <mankeletord> intelikey: :(  I wanted to install kubuntu into a  slackware based distro from a mounted iso
[06:12] <RoKFiT> intelikey: okay sox is installed and the file is on Desktop named blue.mp3
[06:12] <intelikey> mankeletord there is a webpage on ubuntu.com  that covers all 'reasonable' install methods.
[06:13] <RoKFiT> what do i do now?
[06:13] <dope> i wanna put kubuntu on my car's ECU.  Is there a tutorial for that?
[06:14] <intelikey> RoKFiT k to get to a console  [alt] +[ctrl] +[f1]    and use  [alt] +[f7]  to get back to the gui.   in the console login and type   play <your-sound-file.ogg>
[06:14] <RoKFiT> how do i convert the file first?
[06:15] <intelikey> dope i saw some info on that just yesterday.  google.com/linux  search obd-ii    about the second or third hit.
[06:15] <intelikey> RoKFiT what is the format now ?
[06:15] <RoKFiT> .mp3
[06:15] <intelikey> eeeek  got anything else ?
[06:15] <dope> lol seriously?
[06:15] <intelikey> got any .wav
[06:15] <RoKFiT> i can get some
[06:15] <intelikey> dope check and see.
[06:16] <intelikey> RoKFiT sox can play .au .wav .ogg natively     maybe some others....
[06:17] <RoKFiT> what is the command to play it
[06:17] <RoKFiT> just play
[06:17] <intelikey> it was in the line i gave you.
[06:17] <RoKFiT> play blue.wav
[06:17] <intelikey> ype
[06:17] <intelikey> yep
[06:17] <RoKFiT> yes but i know that movies make pops too
[06:17] <RoKFiT> and i know the file is good
[06:18] <RoKFiT> meaning it's not the file
[06:19] <murchadh_bhaba> !UUID
[06:19] <stdin> bot's gone
[06:20] <RoKFiT> intelikey...
[06:20] <intelikey> RoKFiT test results ?
[06:20] <RoKFiT> I don't understand what this test will determine
[06:20] <intelikey> does it play ?
[06:20] <Jucato> whoa.. two Ubotwo's?
[06:20] <RoKFiT> If i know my .mp3 files are perfect under windows
[06:20] <intelikey> RoKFiT just answer the question.
[06:21] <RoKFiT> i'm still downloading the file
[06:21] <intelikey> ok.
[06:22] <intelikey> well i have found on occation that sound was bad with some hardware and arts     but things work perfectly in the console   if that is what you find you can rule out alsa  and bad hardware   wrong interrupts  and several things in one swat.
[06:23] <php-freak> http://74.133.97.232/template2/ can someone view this site, and take a screen shot, so i can see what it look slike on other displays, preferably a higher resolution display, cause my video card sucks I'd highly apperciate it.
[06:23] <RoKFiT> intelikey: sox can't open device dev something
[06:24] <intelikey> RoKFiT sudo killall artsd   and try again
[06:24] <RoKFiT> ... /dev/dsp resource busy
[06:25] <intelikey> php-freak you don't want me to test that do you ???
[06:25] <intelikey>    This site will look much better in a browser that supports web standards,
[06:25] <intelikey>             but it is accessible to any browser or Internet device.
[06:25] <intelikey> ^
[06:25] <RoKFiT> it played, and yes i was getting popping
[06:25] <php-freak> lol
[06:26] <intelikey> RoKFiT ok.  that answers a few questions.
[06:26] <stdin> php-freak:  http://img450.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot3hp4.jpg
[06:26] <intelikey> let me look around a bit.
[06:27] <php-freak> cool
[06:27] <php-freak> stdin: you have high resolution too right?
[06:27] <stdin> php-freak: 1600x1200
[06:27] <php-freak> okay great :)
[06:27] <stdin> so yeah :p
[06:27] <php-freak> thanks man
[06:28] <stdin> no problem
[06:30] <intelikey> RoKFiT pastebin the output of  lshw for me.
[06:31] <intelikey> RoKFiT ?
[06:31] <RoKFiT> intelikey: I am...
[06:31] <intelikey> k
[06:32] <RoKFiT> http://pastebin.ca/283244
[06:32] <intelikey> k
[06:34] <mankeletord> I have a question with adept, what's the difference between 'purge' and 'uninstall'?
[06:35] <stdin> mankeletord: purge removes the configuration files too
[06:35] <Jucato> mankeletord: purge also deletes configuration files that were created in /etc and /usr
[06:35] <Jucato> (take note that purge doesn't delete the ones in /home)
[06:36] <mankeletord> Jucato: you mean that $HOME/.recent_removed_package is not deleted?
[06:36] <stdin> that's right
[06:36] <Jucato> mankeletord: depends on where the config file is, but generally yes
[06:36] <Jucato> (if it's a kde app, the ones in ~/.kde don't get removed)
[06:37] <stdin> most packages don't touch $HOME
[06:37] <Jucato> yep. the ones in  $HOME are the config files that are produced when you modify an app as a user
[06:39] <mankeletord> nice :)
[06:39] <kcinna> hey all
[06:40] <kcinna> anyone know of mirror or any other way to get automatix now?
[06:40] <mankeletord> kubuntu package management is nice
[06:40] <Jucato> !automatix | kcinna
[06:40] <Jucato> aw great
[06:40] <Jucato> let me try that again...
[06:40] <Jucato> !automatix
[06:41] <Jucato> kcinna: oh well... better ask in #automatix...
[06:41] <Ubotwo> kcinna: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[06:41] <Ubotwo> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[06:41] <Jucato> rawr!!!
[06:41] <kcinna> oh
[06:41] <murchadh_bhaba> !UUID
[06:42] <kcinna> i good friend of mine recommended it, im having trouble to get a bunch of video stuff and java to work right
[06:42] <mankeletord> Im testing kubuntu and all works great here
[06:42] <Jucato> kcinna: it's because of the !WorksForMe thing...
[06:42] <Jucato> !WorksForMe | kcinna
[06:42] <kcinna> haha
[06:42] <Jucato> (might take a while for the bot to reply...)
[06:43] <Ubotwo> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid" (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[06:43] <Ubotwo> kcinna: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[06:44] <kcinna> i cant run any scripts as root, i only created one account with one password when i instanned ubuntu
[06:44] <kcinna> i need to install my video drivers
[06:44] <Jucato> kcinna: bottom line: what may work for some, may not always work for others. even for the "official" methods. but using the official methods guarantees that you can ask/blame the devs if something goes wrong :P
[06:44] <stdin> !sudo | kcinna
[06:44] <Ubotwo> kcinna: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:45] <mankeletord> kcinna: sudo passwd root
[06:46] <Jucato> mankeletord: not really recommended
[06:46] <stdin> mankeletord: sudo -s
[06:46] <Jucato> stdin: still not the original bot, though
[06:46] <stdin> or sudo -i
[06:46] <kcinna> how can i kill x and just have a terminal?
[06:46] <Jucato> actually, sudo -i (is more recommended, I think). don't know the diff
[06:46] <stdin> Jucato: yeah, i know
[06:46] <Jucato> forgot to append :( to that line...
[06:47] <stdin> Jucato: one sets $HOME and others (-s i think)
[06:47] <mankeletord> Jucato: well, If i dont have root, i die :P
[06:47] <mankeletord> I came from slack :)
[06:47] <seven11> is there a comand like tree (xp) so you are able to see dir +subfolders on linux
[06:47] <stdin> mankeletord: like I said, sudo -s or sudo -i will give you a root shell
[06:47] <Jucato> mankeletord: your choice. it's just not the recommended thing to do in Kubuntu :)
[06:47] <intelikey> RoKFiT my searching has be less than successful on that issue.
[06:47] <stdin> seven11: ls -R
[06:48] <RoKFiT> dang
[06:48] <seven11> thanks stdin
[06:48] <stdin> :)
[06:48] <Jucato> besides, the GUI apps are oriented towards sudo/kdesu, so I'm not sure how it will affect it
[06:49] <stdin> setting a root password won't affect apps, as kdesu is make to use sudo (not su), but why bother if you have sudo
[06:49] <mankeletord> ok, but can anyone tell me why is not recommended su in *buntu?
[06:49] <Jucato> mankeletord: read the page that was given by the bot about sudo
[06:49] <kcinna> my video driver install script says i need to exit X before running the script, how do i do this?
[06:49] <stdin> plus, if get someone bruteforceing you on ssh, they go for root first
[06:49] <Jucato> (scroll a bit up)
[06:49] <intelikey> seems very little has been reported on dual k8s with ac'97 nvidia sound....   i'm thinking possably lsmod | grep 97  and rmmod that module then modprobe with an arg about the irq
[06:49] <intelikey> RoKFiT ^
[06:50] <RoKFiT> could you guide me through that process
[06:51] <Jucato> stdin: that's my point. apps still use kdesu/sudo, so it'll still ask for the sudoer's password... which might get confusing. plus not sure if enabling root changes that...
[06:51] <stdin> kcinna: the X config file is /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:51] <murchadh_bhaba> RoKFiT, What IRQ is the card using at the moment (with the popping)?
[06:51] <RoKFiT> intelikey: here is the output of lsmod | grep 97   http://pastebin.ca/283259
[06:51] <intelikey> RoKFiT not really familear with it myself
[06:51] <RoKFiT> 225
[06:52] <stdin> Jucato: setting root won't change the behaviour of kdesu, but setting a root pass is kinda pointless IMO
[06:52] <RoKFiT> irq 225
[06:52] <Jucato> oh ok
[06:53] <murchadh_bhaba> RoKFiT, I dunno what an IRQ 225 is. They usually go to 15. Confused!
[06:53] <kcinna> stdin: what do i so with that file?
[06:53] <RoKFiT> 225:    1334382          0   IO-APIC-level  libata, NVidia CK804
[06:54] <stdin> kcinna: depends what the instructions say
[06:54] <Jucato> kcinna: what video card driver are you trying to install?
[06:54] <RoKFiT> how do i check the IRQ of it?
[06:54] <kcinna> nvidia geforce4
[06:55] <kcinna> itsays to kill x and run the sh script
[06:55] <Jucato> !nvidia | kcinna
[06:55] <Ubotwo> kcinna: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:56] <murchadh_bhaba> !IRQ probe
[06:56] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[06:56] <kcinna> thanks
[06:57] <mankeletord> k, i readed the rootsudo page. Anyway ill need to use su root sometimes
[06:57] <stdin> mankeletord: why?
[06:57] <intelikey> RoKFiT looks like youll have to rmmod snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec snd_ac97_bus       and if that gets it  modprobe snd_ac97_bus --option irq=10      or some such   again i'm not well versed in modules/module parameters     if anyone in here is let them speak up.
[06:58] <Jucato> almost anything you'd ever need for "root" can be done with sudo
[06:58] <mankeletord> stdin: I need to feel the real root power xD
[06:58] <RoKFiT> can i rmmod them all in one line like that?
[06:58] <Jucato> (almost...)
[06:58] <stdin> mankeletord: what possible reason is there for su root, when you have sudo -i
[06:58] <stdin> mankeletord: sudo will give you "real" root powers
[06:58] <intelikey> RoKFiT oh sorry   not  --option   --config
[06:59] <RoKFiT> ERROR:  module is in use
[07:00] <intelikey> RoKFiT you can grep it.    lsmod | grep snd_intel8x0
[07:00] <intelikey> see what is using it. and get it too
[07:00] <intelikey> or lsmod | less and have the full list to play with.
[07:01] <mankeletord> stdin: ok, if you say. Ill trust in you
[07:01] <mankeletord> :)
[07:01] <stdin> :D
[07:01] <stdin> you can trust me
[07:01] <RoKFiT> intelikey: http://pastebin.ca/283266
[07:02] <kcinna> hm, i get an erro when i try to run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[07:02] <kcinna> saying my x configuration has been latered
[07:03] <dsmith_> i like the t-shirt that says this.. "Get me a coffee... ???, SUDO apt-get Coffee"
[07:03] <flaccid> sudo apt-get upgrade heroin
[07:03] <dsmith_> what IRC clients are being used here..
[07:03] <dsmith_> lol flaccid
[07:04] <mankeletord> I have downloaded a debian-packaging-tutorial.pdf, will works here?
[07:04] <Jucato> dsmith_: mostly konversation, others use Kopete, ksirc or kvirc
[07:04] <Jucato> the hardcore ones use irssi
[07:04] <dsmith_> i am using konversaton
[07:04] <mankeletord> I mean would work in kubuntu?
[07:04] <dsmith_> this konsersation irc proggy is just too plain white
[07:04] <Jucato> mankeletord: you mean the pdf or the packaging tutorial?
[07:04] <stdin> mankeletord: kubuntu is debain based, so yeah it will work
[07:05] <Jucato> stdin, mankeletord: Kubuntu has it's own packaging guide, btw
[07:05] <RoKFiT> intelikey: ...
[07:05] <stdin> Jucato: I know, the tutorial on the open week was good
[07:06] <Jucato> https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html, can be downloaded as PDF (http://help.ubuntu.com), and offline in KDE Help Center (K Menu -> Help)
[07:06] <Jucato> dsmith_: you can customize the colors of Konversation, and even put a background for the chat window
[07:06] <mankeletord> Jucato: I only have found a packaging guide in spanish for debian
[07:07] <Jucato> ah you wanted something in spanish?
[07:07] <Jucato> well, if you're just packaging for yourself, that debian guide just *might* work.
[07:08] <stdin> nothing like packageing you self with tar and ar
[07:08] <RoKFiT> intelikey: are you here?
[07:08] <unix_infidel> might ask in a dev channel like motu if there's a place where thye learned.
[07:08] <unix_infidel> some of them may have started too early to even remember where.
[07:10] <mankeletord> stdin: thanks, now I can build my amule package :)
[07:11] <mankeletord> Jucato: The english guide will be ok
[07:12] <RoKFiT> if I install a new soundcard will it automatically install drivers?
[07:14] <dsmith_> i like synaptic over adept
[07:14] <dsmith_> so... I am assuming I can remove adeopt
[07:14] <dsmith_> *adept
[07:15] <stdin> RoKFiT: the drivers are probably already installed as kernel modules, they get loaded at boot if you have the hardware
[07:15] <stdin> dsmith_: if you remove adept, kubuntu-desktop will also get removed
[07:15] <dsmith_> ouch
[07:16] <dsmith_> nm
[07:16] <dsmith_> lol
[07:16] <dsmith_> i was just beginning to wonder that
[07:17] <stdin> I use synaptic, but keep adept so apt won't say it wants to autoremove everythin :p
[07:17] <Jucato> synaptic and adept both use apt-get as backends...
[07:17] <dsmith_> ok....
[07:17] <dsmith_> for me synaptic is easier
[07:17] <stdin> yeah, and apt-get uses dpkg as a backend
[07:18] <Jucato> yep
[07:18] <murchadh_bhaba> RoKFiT, I'd have a peek here first! http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449 Sorry I can't be of more help!
[07:18] <Jucato> synaptic is more mature, because it is older :)
[07:18] <dsmith_> hmmm looking at irssi
[07:18] <dsmith_> sweet
[07:18] <dsmith_> I believe I just installed it
[07:19] <dsmith_> have to find it now
[07:19] <stdin> irssi is quite good, I use it sometimes
[07:19] <dsmith_> i like black backgrounds
[07:19] <dsmith_> I used MIRC for a VERY long time
[07:19] <stdin> it's a text mode client, i.e. type irssi --help
[07:20] <fleeirssi> im using irssi
[07:20] <fleeirssi> can you tell?
[07:20] <Jucato> irssi is installed by default, and it's a command line IRC client
[07:20] <dsmith_> ahhh
[07:20] <dsmith_> so it runs in a shell
[07:20] <stdin> yeah
[07:20] <Jucato> dsmith_: you can change colors in Konversation, as I've mentioned
[07:21] <dsmith_> jucato I was looking for that option
[07:21] <Jucato> dsmith_: Settings -> Configure Konversation -> Colors ?
[07:21] <dsmith_> oh damn I feel du
[07:21] <dsmith_> *dumb
[07:21] <dsmith_> lol
[07:22] <mankeletord> hmmm packaging on kubuntu is a very hard job :o
[07:23] <Jucato> basically, packaging means making a .deb package for possible future inclusion into the repositories or for distribution
[07:23] <murchadh_bhaba> mankeletord, Mine came in a brown paper bag!
[07:23] <dsmith_> hmmm
[07:23] <Jucato> the packaging guide tries to teach you to build a package that will install properly on Ubuntu systems
[07:23] <bgsteffens> 
[07:25] <RoKFiT> i need a sound card
[07:25] <RoKFiT> that's my solution
[07:25] <dsmith_> ok I have set up w/ colors
[07:25] <dsmith_> thats
[07:25] <dsmith_> thanks
[07:26] <mankeletord> Well, I have to build the perfect slackware package... with this guide I should do same for .deb packages
[07:26] <mankeletord> I mean on slack I know how
[07:26] <RoKFiT> is onboard audio on the serial or parallel port ever?
[07:26] <Jucato> the perfect slack package? you mean a source tarball? :D
[07:27] <dsmith_> any operators here?
[07:27] <dsmith_> I guess there are none, as the ID tags are not showing
[07:27] <stdin> dsmith, they are hideing
[07:27] <dsmith_> lol..ok
[07:27] <Jucato> until you do something very very stupid, then they show up and kick you to /dev/null :)
[07:27] <dsmith_> lol
[07:28] <dsmith_> this is like the longest I have been on IRC in 2 years
[07:29] <stdin> I've been on IEC for about 10 days now :p
[07:29] <stdin> *IRC
[07:29] <dsmith_> i was using in back in 96
[07:29] <dsmith_> i was using back in 96
[07:29] <stdin> I meant connected for 10 days
[07:30] <dsmith_> oh
[07:30] <stdin> in 96, i was 10
[07:30] <dsmith_> my connection record was like 540 days
[07:30] <dsmith_> P2 IRC server
[07:31] <stdin> hope that wasn't on dialup, cost a fortune
[07:31] <dsmith_> i have dialup a home now
[07:31] <dsmith_> ~180/yr
[07:31] <noiesmo> is there a way to exclude a sub directory when using scp
[07:31] <dsmith_> but with verizon evdo card via a pcmcia slot it faster now
[07:32] <mankeletord> Jucato: xD
[07:32] <dsmith_> no it was snuck into my compnays server room stdin
[07:32] <dsmith_> over a T1
[07:32] <RoKFiT> why can you not change IRQ of serial-ata in bios?
[07:32] <dsmith_> *shrug*
[07:33] <dsmith_> where  I am at now, we I can push 7-8
[07:33] <dsmith_> but sometimes we get an error and I can push damn near 20
[07:33] <dsmith_> comcast equipment messes up
[07:33] <dsmith_> but gives me more
[07:33] <mankeletord> Jucato: Make a slack pkg is easier that a .deb pkg, slackware don't use dependency check
[07:33] <stdin> I can get up to 24Mb/s on adsl
[07:33] <dsmith_> sweet dsl, has always ben slow here
[07:33] <Jucato> mankeletord: of course :)
[07:34] <stdin> depends how far from the exchange you are tho
[07:34] <dsmith_> almost 2 miles
[07:37] <mankeletord> well, g2g... c u guys, thanks for the support
[07:37] <stdin> later mankeletord
[07:38] <Jucato> laterz
[07:39] <RoKFiT> can anyone help me modprobe?
[07:39] <fleebail1y33> RoKFiT what do you need?
[07:39] <RoKFiT> to change the IRQ of my onboard sound
[07:40] <fleebail1y33> modprobe -r module removes
[07:40] <fleebail1y33> then modprobe module to add
[07:40] <dsmith_> ok another question
[07:40] <RoKFiT> will this onboard sound just ever be supported?
[07:41] <fleebail1y33> i want different windows in irssi
[07:41] <dsmith_> config for verizon evdo card on laptop using kppp
[07:41] <fleebail1y33> not all the same window
[07:41] <fleebail1y33> well it is kinda cool
[07:42] <fleebail1y33> might just take some getting used to
[07:43] <stdin> I think ctrl-p and ctrl-n switch windows in irssi
[07:43] <fleebail1y33> stdin i think thats disabled
[07:43] <fleebail1y33> stdin i want to enable it
[07:46] <stdin> fleebail1y33: /window next should switch windows
[07:47] <fleebail1y33> stdin nope
[07:47] <fleebail1y33> stdin nope
[07:47] <fleebail1y33> stdin its not so bad like this
[07:48] <binary2k2> you sure, I'm in irssi and '/window next' switches
[07:48] <fleebail1y33> stdin i'll just end up typing in the wrong chan alot
[07:48] <bgsteffens> anyone ever installed KDevelop on Kubuntu?
[07:48] <fleebail1y33> stdin well o disabled it!
[07:48] <fleebail1y33> stdin well i
[07:49] <stdin> and how did you disable it?
[07:49] <fleebail1y33> stdin if i knew that i would enable it
[07:50] <stdin> check the config in ~/.irssi/config
[07:51] <fleebail1y33> but do i know what to look for?
[07:51] <tomlins> anyone help me with Amarok ?
[07:51] <fleebail1y33> tomlins sure
[07:51] <tomlins> i am getting no audio playback
[07:51] <tomlins> though my sound system is working for other apps
[07:51] <fleebail1y33> tomlins what music format?
[07:52] <tomlins> streaming, from last.fm
[07:52] <tomlins> the stream is playing, i jsut dont hear it
[07:52] <fleebail1y33> tomlins you have akoke-mpeg?
[07:52] <tomlins> hehe, i'm a llinux newbie, sorry
[07:53] <stdin> do you get sound in amarok when playing sound files?
[07:53] <tomlins> havent tried that actually
[07:53] <tomlins> other media players are working though
[07:53] <fleebail1y33> it should install a package and en
[07:54] <fleebail1y33> it should install a package and enable a repository
[07:54] <fleebail1y33> die irssi
[07:54] <tomlins> i didnt install this myself, it came when i updated to KDE
[07:54] <tomlins> from gnome
[07:54] <fleebail1y33> yup yup
[07:55] <fleebail1y33> click on an mp3 lets say
[07:55] <tomlins> k
[07:55] <fleebail1y33> got that?
[07:55] <dsmith_> does winamp work in linux yet?
[07:56] <dsmith_> I saw they had a beta version
[07:56] <tomlins> just looking for one
[07:56] <fleebail1y33> boooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[07:56] <dsmith_> lol
[07:56] <fleebail1y33> well goodnight guys
[07:56] <dsmith_> night
[07:56] <stdin> night
[07:56] <fleebail1y33> 2 am here
[07:57] <stdin> dsmith_: isn't xmms a winamp clone?
[07:57] <tomlins> just opend an mp3 from a netwrok share and it crashed
[07:59] <seven11> stdin: there is actualy a tree command. all you need to do is install package tree... maybe somebody like this information.
[07:59] <murchadh_bhaba> tomlins, Check what sound system amarok is outputting to.
[07:59] <tomlins> says default
[08:00] <tomlins> all my audio settings are set to default so i dont know what default actually is
[08:00] <murchadh_bhaba> tomlins, Can it be set to alsa?
[08:00] <tomlins> that option is available, yes
[08:00] <tomlins> alsa is ?
[08:00] <stdin> seven11: "find . -type d" works too, maybe I like making things difficult for myself tho :p
[08:01] <dsmith_> well kaffeine sure dont work
[08:01] <dsmith_> :/
[08:01] <murchadh_bhaba> tomlins, Give it a go. Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
[08:01] <tomlins> ok, thanks :)
[08:02] <tomlins> it appears not
[08:02] <dsmith_> trying amarok myself now
[08:03] <dsmith_> fetching pkgs
[08:03] <murchadh_bhaba> tomlins, Check what system kubuntu is using. System Settings > Sound System
[08:03] <tomlins> says default
[08:03] <dsmith_> hmmm amarok works for me
[08:04] <dsmith_> now I need some plugins
[08:04] <tomlins> sorry, i mean autodetect
[08:04] <dsmith_> :)
[08:04] <murchadh_bhaba> ama-rocks! One of kde's killer apps.
[08:04] <tomlins> i just changed it to alsa
[08:05] <murchadh_bhaba> tomlins, Is there a test button somewhere nearby?
[08:05] <tomlins> looking...
[08:06] <tomlins> yes, and working
[08:07] <ubuntu> efgfdhfhfhg
[08:07] <tomlins> i'll leave it for tonight gotta get some shuteye, thanks for your help
[08:07] <murchadh_bhaba> tomlins, Cool, alsa working then. Dunno why amarok can't output to it. Hmmmm...
[08:08] <tomlins> better luck tomorrow I say ;)
[08:08] <tomlins> thanks :)
[08:08] <murchadh_bhaba> tomlins, Good Luck!
[08:08] <tomlins> l8r
[08:10] <T3hWiz0rd> how do you send a message to everyone on a computer via terminal?
[08:10] <T3hWiz0rd> i forgot how to
[08:14] <manodad> T3hWiz0rd: Try 'wall'
[08:14] <MattQcCa> !ubotwo nvidia
[08:14] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[08:14] <T3hWiz0rd> manodad: it keeps saying "can't read"
[08:14] <stdin> !nvidia | MattQcCa
[08:14] <Ubotwo> MattQcCa: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:15] <manodad> T3hWiz0rd: ok
[08:15] <T3hWiz0rd> manodad: iunno what would be causing it to say that
[08:15] <MattQcCa> stdin: heh, thanks. By the way, do you know if it is possible to use the drivers downloadable on nVidia's Website?
[08:16] <stdin> MattQcCa: I don't use nvidia, but yeah, it's possible
[08:17] <manodad> T3hWiz0rd: I think you need to be root or Superuser rights to use it. Can you use "write" then or 'mesg' or 'talk'
[08:17] <T3hWiz0rd> manodad: lemme try, chowning a home folder first.
[08:17] <stdin> MattQcCa: but be aware that if there is a kernel update, you'll have to recompile the driver again and X wont work until you do
[08:17] <manodad> T3hWiz0rd: they are also commands to send messages to users
[08:17] <Agent_bob> man what a fight.....
[08:18] <Agent_bob> Q if two people are logged into one box ssh and local   what's the best way for the two to communicate ?
[08:20] <MattQcCa> stdin: ah, I see. I've tried installing it and it complained about not finding ld and objcopy... I made a symlink to /usr/bin/ldd, which I assumed to be a dynamic ld... after finding /bin/ld_static... it may have been a bad idea, but I can still change the link, yes? All I need now is to find and symlink objcopy... is it available?
[08:20] <manodad> Agent:bob: Use command 'talk'
[08:20] <raphink> Agent_bob: use screen & screen -x
[08:20] <raphink> Agent_bob: so you can share a shell
[08:20] <psb154> Agent_bob man write
[08:20] <raphink> :)
[08:20] <Agent_bob> manodad any idea what provides 'talk' ?
[08:21] <stdin> MattQcCa: do you have the 'build-essential' package installed ?
[08:21] <stdin> Agent_bob: talkd maybe
[08:21] <MattQcCa> stdin: err... obviously not
[08:21] <Agent_bob> bash: write: command not found
[08:21] <Agent_bob> bash: talk: command not found
[08:21] <raphink> Agent_bob: the package seems to be called talk
[08:22] <raphink> talk - Chat with another user
[08:22] <raphink> talkd - Remote user communication server
[08:22] <manodad> Agent_bob: You can use write also
[08:22] <manodad> Agent_bob: 'write'
[08:22] <stdin> MattQcCa: that package will give you everything you need to compile, you also need linux-headers-`uname -r` (not sure if the build package depends on that)
[08:22] <raphink> Agent_bob: what exactly do you need this?
[08:22] <raphink> for
[08:22] <Agent_bob> to communicate between an ssh session and a local one on the same box
[08:23] <MattQcCa> stdin: alright, thank you :)
[08:23] <kraut> moin
[08:23] <stdin> you're welcome MattQcCa
[08:23] <raphink> Agent_bob: how do you m ean communicate? Do you only mean messaging, or running commands together?
[08:25] <raphink> Agent_bob: if you wish for two sessions to share a virtual shell (which allows to communicate aswell, obviously), you can use screen
[08:25] <michi> hi@all
[08:25] <T3hWiz0rd> hi@you
[08:26] <michi> soory test german
[08:26] <Agent_bob> raphink no just coordenating a task  screen is actually not desireable in this case
[08:26] <raphink> Agent_bob: if your goal is to connect via ssh to the local box and send messages to the logged user (in KDE), you can also log as this user and use dcop to send messages :)
[08:27] <murchadh_bhaba> raphink, I like the screen idea. What would you run that would allow a kinda chat conversation, like irc?
[08:27] <raphink> murchadh_bhaba: it would be sharing a shell
[08:27] <Agent_bob> raphink k
[08:27] <raphink> murchadh_bhaba: and then you just put # in front of lines when you type so they are commented out
[08:27] <raphink> murchadh_bhaba: I usually do that to teach people how to use the CLI or how to package
[08:28] <raphink> inviting them on my machine in screen
[08:28] <murchadh_bhaba> raphink, Ah! I see what your at.
[08:28] <raphink> hi Admiral_Chicago
[08:28] <Admiral_Chicago> how is it going?
[08:28] <raphink> good
[08:28] <raphink> just woke up
[08:28] <raphink> I have to hurry up to work soon
[08:28] <raphink> :)
[08:29] <murchadh_bhaba> Yeah, screen -x is invaluable!
[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> go to work raphink. i have to go study soon
[08:29] <raphink> hehe
[08:29] <raphink> I'm having a tea first
[08:29] <raphink> :)
[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> talking to girls now :{
[08:29] <raphink> to girls?
[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> good, tea is a great morning starter
[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> yup
[08:29] <raphink> yep
[08:30] <T3hWiz0rd> !ati
[08:30] <Ubotwo> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:31] <Admiral_Chicago> ... :O
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> raphink: go to work...
[08:37] <Agent_bob> anyone have a better more efficent way of monitoring sshd ?            while true ;do clear ;tail -2 /var/log/auth.log | grep string && echo action | wall ;sleep 5 ;done
[08:40] <dsmith_> i need a TEA
[08:41] <Agent_bob> hmmm gnome depends on  python2.4  so i have to have  python2.4 & python2.5    that reeks of an unsavory aromah
[08:43] <Agent_bob> ah man   5.4 tons of errors installing gnome.....
[08:44] <Agent_bob> dpkg is going to error out with too many >>> dpkg: error processing gnome-desktop-environment (--configure):
[08:44] <Agent_bob>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:46] <murchadh_bhaba> murchadh_bhaba raises the Average IQ by leaving! Night all.
[08:47] <eMaX> re
[08:49] <Agent_bob> i hate apt.
[08:50] <Agent_bob> i've had it lock like this several times     has 47 packages installed but not configured  so it can't remove them and cant finish setting them up....
[08:50] <stdin> dpkg --congigure -a
[08:50] <Jucato> (sudo)
[08:50] <stdin> but spell it right :p
[08:50] <Agent_bob> i wish it was that simple
[08:51] <Agent_bob> btw that ends with the list of unconfigured packages and    E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:52] <stdin> what to do depends on what the exact error is
[08:52] <Agent_bob> postinst script failed
[08:52] <Agent_bob> i'm working on it.
[08:53] <stdin> look at the script that failed in /var/lib/dpkg/info/[package] .postinst
[08:56] <Agent_bob> i'll bet it calling one of the ubuntu scripts   update-rc.d or invoke-rc.d  or some such and it's failing therefore the inst script fails and dpkg fails....  i've seen this krap many times.
[08:57] <Agent_bob> found it.
[08:57] <Agent_bob> Unable to remove /etc/logcheck, not empty
[08:57] <Agent_bob> touch: cannot touch `/boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-27-386': No such file or directory
[09:00] <dsmith_> hmmmm kubuntu runs cpu hard with parted wine apps
[09:00] <dsmith_> *ported I meant
[09:00] <kkathman> why do you want to touch a boot image?
[09:01] <Agent_bob> i had forgotten to mkdir /boot and mkdir /etc/alternatives   before the install.
[09:02] <T3hWiz0rd> okay I am installing fglrx via ssh for a friend
[09:03] <T3hWiz0rd> I've followed the instructions closely on the site and STILL, not getting it to work
[09:03] <Agent_bob> i'm only installing gnome so i can remove it.....
[09:03] <T3hWiz0rd> its loaded into modprobe, loaded into xorg, but simply *not* working
[09:03] <Agent_bob> cause i'm not going back to udev  and gnome requires hal which requires udev....
[09:04] <Agent_bob> "  followed the instructions closely on the site  "  << on ubuntu site ?
[09:07] <augustin> hello
[09:07] <augustin> what's new today
[09:08] <Agent_bob> ok new offending process   "gconf-schemas "   how important is that ?
[09:10] <stdin> asking gnome question in #kubuntu may open a rift in the space-time continuum
[09:11] <T3hWiz0rd> does anyone know why fglrx wouldn't work even when its the loaded module in xorg.conf and its moaded and modprobe sees it
[09:14] <Agent_bob> T3hWiz0rd !i sorry
[09:17] <corbeau> salut
[09:18] <corbeau> !french
[09:18] <Ubotwo> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:23] <Agent_bob> so if i do  "ln -s /bin/true /bin/gconf-schemas "    i should be able to remove this krap
[09:23] <stdin> maybe
[09:23] <Agent_bob> it seems to be working    maybe
[09:24] <Agent_bob> tty24 [root@~]  dpkg -R --purge --force-all $(<list) > error 2>&1
[09:24] <Agent_bob> we'll see what it does.
[09:25] <Agent_bob> list is a list of the 47 packages that failed to install...
[09:25] <T3hWiz0rd> why does ati have to be so difficult *bangs head*
[09:25] <T3hWiz0rd> its loaded as a module and everything! why won't it just work!
[09:26] <Agent_bob> error is clean  so i guess it worked now i'll rm /bin/gconf-schemas   and be done with that....
[09:28] <Agent_bob> T3hWiz0rd are you getting errors ?
[09:29] <T3hWiz0rd> Agent_bob: that  Ican tell, no
[09:30] <T3hWiz0rd> modprobe shows its loaded fine, i've checked the xorg error log and can't find anything related to fglrx
[09:30] <Agent_bob> using startx to start it right ?
[09:30] <T3hWiz0rd> Agent_bob: it was control alt backspaced
[09:30] <Agent_bob> kill the dm and use startx so you can watch for errors
[09:30] <T3hWiz0rd> Agent_bob: one fo the biggest problems is I don't have local access to this machine
[09:31] <T3hWiz0rd> so I'm watching it all unfold over ssh
[09:31] <T3hWiz0rd> Agent_bob: (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
[09:32] <T3hWiz0rd> (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
[09:32] <T3hWiz0rd> that seems to be them there
 (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
[09:32] <T3hWiz0rd> which measn what tho?
[09:32] <Agent_bob> google it ?
[09:33] <Agent_bob> means that dirrect rendering on that setting is not going to work...   i have no idea why tho
[09:33] <Agent_bob> screen 0  is the default in xorg.conf
[09:36] <T3hWiz0rd> what about the first ww it posted, there Agent_bob?
[09:36] <T3hWiz0rd> (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
[09:37] <Agent_bob> ah wrong address ?
[09:37] <T3hWiz0rd> Agent_bob: its the only agp device on the system so what should it be?
[09:37] <Agent_bob> lshw | grep -c4 PCI
[09:38] <T3hWiz0rd> all it replied was
[09:38] <T3hWiz0rd> "3"
[09:38] <PFA> where i be finding my Sun Java folder thing?
[09:38] <PFA> like the one i need to use for 0p3r4
[09:38] <PFA> or whatevs
[09:38] <ikonia> pfa - just talk normal
[09:38] <ikonia> opera - not op3r4
[09:38] <Agent_bob> T3hWiz0rd is that an agp port?
[09:38] <T3hWiz0rd> Agent_bob: it should be, the card is agp
[09:39] <PFA> ikonia: well i dont like your pants D:
[09:39] <Agent_bob> T3hWiz0rd try  PCI:1:0:0
[09:39] <ikonia> what ?
[09:39] <T3hWiz0rd> Agent_bob: and set that in xserver-xorg?
[09:39] <PFA> never mind.
[09:39] <PFA> anyway, any idea about the sun java folderything
[09:39] <ikonia> sorry  -I don't like your pants either. Best of luck sorting it out
[09:39] <T3hWiz0rd> Agent_bob: PCI:1:0:0 << it is set to that
[09:40] <Agent_bob> PFA find /usr -name <what.ever.you.want>
[09:40] <PFA> Agent_bob: i have already done a search. it just confused me more.
[09:40] <PFA> found all kinds of stuff but i dont know where the folder i want is.
[09:40] <Agent_bob> T3hWiz0rd you better check the file for dublicate entries
[09:40] <PFA> in fact i dont even know what folder i want.
[09:40] <T3hWiz0rd> Agent_bob: xorg?
[09:40] <Agent_bob> T3hWiz0rd yes
[09:41] <Agent_bob> T3hWiz0rd /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:41] <T3hWiz0rd> Agent_bob: Section "DRI" Mode    0666
[09:41] <T3hWiz0rd> EndSection
[09:41] <T3hWiz0rd> could that have anything to do with it?
[09:41] <ikonia> T3hWiz0rd: are you using nvidia or ati cards ?
[09:41] <T3hWiz0rd> ikonia: this is a friends computer I am ssh'ed into and configuring
[09:41] <T3hWiz0rd> its ati
[09:41] <Agent_bob> idk.   i never wrote dri   get with ikonia
[09:42] <ikonia> Agent_bob: pardon ?
[09:42] <T3hWiz0rd> the bus device is         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[09:42] <Agent_bob> agent hide   goes and hides now.
[09:42] <T3hWiz0rd> no duplicates, either.
[09:42] <ikonia> T3hWiz0rd: just do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:42] <ikonia> just reconfigure it
[09:42] <T3hWiz0rd> ikonia: i've done that... about 30 times.
[09:42] <Agent_bob> ikonia i'm dumping him in your lap... :)
[09:42] <ikonia> Agent_bob: ahhhhhh
[09:42] <rcrook> PFA:  if you are after the path to java for the Opera settings try /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/lib/i386
[09:42] <Agent_bob> you're welcome.
[09:43] <PFA> rcrook: YOU ARE MY HERO. <333333 thanks
[09:43] <rcrook> NP
[09:43] <ikonia> T3hWiz0rd: read the wiki page on configuring ati video cards
[09:44] <T3hWiz0rd> i read the guide and everything provided here
[09:44] <T3hWiz0rd> still having bugs
[09:44] <ikonia> what exactly is the problem ?
[09:44] <ikonia> I'm not sure I have a clear picture
[09:45] <T3hWiz0rd> fglrx isn't working. i've installed it per the guides in the ubuntu documentation.
[09:46] <T3hWiz0rd> it worked for the first install, when X restarted
[09:46] <T3hWiz0rd> it stopped, didn't work after.
[09:46] <ikonia> define "not working"
[09:47] <T3hWiz0rd> it gives the errors : (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
[09:47] <ikonia> and is pci:1:0;1 where the card is ?
[09:47] <Agent_bob> ww is warning   ee is error
[09:47] <ikonia> ahhh are you just getting a warning or an error
[09:47] <ikonia> don't forget most cards have dual output
[09:47] <T3hWiz0rd> both
[09:47] <ikonia> both /
[09:47] <ikonia> ?
[09:47] <T3hWiz0rd> (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable\
[09:47] <T3hWiz0rd> that comes right after the warning
[09:48] <ikonia> thats fine
[09:48] <ikonia> don't worry about that
[09:48] <ikonia> for the moment.....
[09:50] <Agent_bob> well it looks like after a totaly hacked --force-all remove of the busted packages  a mkdir /boot and mkdir /etc/alternatives  the install is going to succeed this time.
[09:50] <ikonia> Agent_bob: what are you up to ?
[09:50] <Agent_bob> installing  gnome
[09:50] <e1mer> is there a tool to convert 3gp file to avi/mpeg ?
[09:51] <ikonia> on kubuntu ?
[09:51] <e1mer> yup or in ubuntu in general?
[09:51] <Agent_bob> well i don't think this system really knows if it's kubuntu or xubuntu or ...    heh   just played 52 package pickup with the packagemanger
[09:52] <sonicGB> elmer, I think he was talking to Agent_bob
[09:52] <e1mer> sonicGB: oops sorry
[09:52] <sonicGB> elmer: mencoder will apparently convert 3gp to mpeg
[09:53] <e1mer> sonicGB: ill try that
[09:53] <e1mer> sonicGB: tnx
[09:53] <Agent_bob> it's kinda like one of them electric cars that burns gasoline.....
[09:53] <sonicGB> it's a command line thing, might take some fiddling to figure out what codecs you need, etc
[09:54] <sonicGB> mencoder example: http://www.bigbold.com/snippets/posts/show/2958
[09:54] <e1mer> sonicGB: i just passd the filename and it plays :) ill try to figure out converting, tnx btw
[09:55] <Agent_bob> now if i can figure out how to remove udev without removing hal ......
[09:55] <sonicGB> elmer: that's a good sign :-)   (you're welcome btw!)
[09:56] <ikonia> Agent_bob: still fighting with udev huh
[09:56] <shosho> hi every body
[09:56] <Agent_bob> ikonia no no   i fixed that.
[09:56] <ikonia> ooh, cool
[09:56] <shosho> iam using kubuntu konversation
[09:57] <shosho> i wanna join python channel and i dont know how
[09:57] <Agent_bob> ikonia just apt-get remove udev and build a new initramfs.img
[09:57] <ikonia> Agent_bob: was it really that simple ?
[09:57] <Agent_bob> i was a bit shocked
[09:57] <ikonia> I expected more reprocussions
[09:57] <shosho> would any body tell me how ???
[09:57] <stdin> shosho: to join a channel type /join channelname
[09:57] <ikonia> stdin: great nick
[09:58] <stdin> shosho: eg: /join #python
[09:58] <Agent_bob> ikonia  then i issued apt-get install gnome    so it reinstalled udev   lol
[09:58] <shosho> ok i have the message that i need to be identified
[09:58] <ikonia> shosho: identify your self with the nickserv
[09:58] <shosho> how to be identified
[09:58] <Agent_bob> so now if i can figure out how to rm it without taking everything with it.
[09:58] <ikonia> google for irc terms
[09:58] <stdin> ikonia: thanks, found it yesterday and got mod to drop it so I stole it :p
[09:58] <shosho> ok tell me step by step how
[09:58] <ikonia> shosho: go to http://www.google.com
[09:59] <ikonia> then search for "irc howto"
[09:59] <ikonia> then read the document
[09:59] <Agent_bob> shosho /msg nickserv help
[09:59] <stdin> shosho: look here http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
[10:00] <A-L-A-R-M> goodmorning. where can i find the log file that keeps the logs when i shutdown my computer ? the last 2 times i tried to shut down the system after loging out , stopped responding , and by pressing alt+ctrl+backspace showed me that it stoped somewhere on unmounting .
[10:00] <shosho> i tried 100 times but i failed
[10:00] <Agent_bob> /msg nickserv help
[10:00] <A-L-A-R-M> unfortunatelly i see also that boot.log is doesnt exist... a deamon is needed for the file to be updated ?
[10:00] <Agent_bob> shosho say that ^
[10:00] <ikonia> shosho: no you've not tried anything
[10:01] <ikonia> as you didn't know the command until someone told you
[10:01] <stdin> A-L-A-R-M: /var/log/boot ?
[10:01] <ikonia> now read the docs !
[10:01] <A-L-A-R-M> no thats not the file
[10:01] <shosho> look iam new user of irc
[10:01] <Agent_bob> hmmmm if shosho means he's tried to /msg 100 times   i hope he doesn't figure out how to register
[10:02] <shosho> and i dont know how to deal
[10:02] <shosho> just
[10:02] <Agent_bob> /msg nickserv help
[10:02] <Agent_bob> shosho say that ^
[10:02] <ikonia> shosho: you've been given the urls to read
[10:02] <ikonia> go read them !
[10:02] <stdin> A-L-A-R-M: there is also syslog, kernlog, messages (all in /var/log)
[10:02] <A-L-A-R-M> i will check them, thank you
[10:02] <stdin> np
[10:02] <A-L-A-R-M> something else. is it possible kubuntu to when it boots to run in interactive boot to see whats happening benieth ?
[10:03] <shosho> ok
[10:03] <shosho> i will try
[10:03] <stdin> A-L-A-R-M: remove "splash" and maybe "quiet" from the boot line in grub
[10:04] <A-L-A-R-M> okie thanks
[10:04] <stdin> A-L-A-R-M: you can either edit /boot/grub/menu.lst or edit the line from the grub menu at boot
[10:04] <Agent_bob> A-L-A-R-M boot with    vga=0x0f05 verbose
[10:04] <A-L-A-R-M> menu.list is easier
[10:05] <A-L-A-R-M> got to find first the splash :)
[10:05] <Agent_bob> it's not interactive really  but it is noisy as all get out
[10:05] <A-L-A-R-M> ## hiddenmenu
[10:05] <A-L-A-R-M> # Hides the menu by default (press ESC to see the menu)
[10:05] <A-L-A-R-M> #hiddenmenu
[10:05] <A-L-A-R-M> anything to do with it ?
[10:06] <Agent_bob> no
[10:06] <A-L-A-R-M> ok saw the splash quite
[10:06] <stdin> A-L-A-R-M: look for a line starting with kernel
[10:06] <A-L-A-R-M> what does each of them do ?
[10:06] <A-L-A-R-M> stdin:  found it
[10:06] <A-L-A-R-M> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet splash
[10:06] <A-L-A-R-M> remove quiet splash
[10:07] <Agent_bob> splash manst that eye candy junk   and  quite means don't tell me what's happening
[10:07] <stdin> "splash" activates the usplash (XP like) loading screen
[10:07] <Agent_bob> manst means
[10:07] <A-L-A-R-M> although i just saw another options in the file. # defoptions=quiet splash
[10:07] <A-L-A-R-M> okie dokie :) thanks
[10:08] <A-L-A-R-M> and now how about the log out again to be able to see whats happening and not to search in log files
[10:08] <A-L-A-R-M> :)
[10:08] <Agent_bob> verbose  means tell me everything
[10:08] <A-L-A-R-M> or shutdown
[10:08] <stdin> that's for when you update grub (when the kernel is updated or a new one is installed) the options will be put there by default
[10:09] <A-L-A-R-M> somehow cant find the log file that has to do with the shutdown to see what went wrong
[10:09] <Agent_bob> vga=0x0f05  is text only   80x30    precludes splashing
[10:12] <Agent_bob> and until now i've not seen the hardware that wouldn't accept  vga=0x0f05   althought i've only tried it on two lappies
[10:13] <Agent_bob> vga=0x0f04  is  80x25   the industry standard.
[10:14] <HabaKKuk> hi
[10:15] <vanique> any native english here?
[10:15] <vanique> ;>
[10:15] <Agent_bob> no i'm native american
[10:15] <stdin> i'm native british
[10:15] <murchadh_bhaba> Somr Irish too....
[10:15] <vanique> i prefer british
[10:15] <vanique> :>
[10:16] <Agent_bob> ok stdin is native english  :)
[10:16] <vanique> well it could be american at least:P
[10:21] <Agent_bob> hehhe  i love installing things   it's always such fun tracking down all the errors....... "NOT!"
[10:21] <Agent_bob> 19229 ?        Z      0:00 [xrdb]  <defunct>
[10:23] <Hobbsee> !sru
[10:23] <Ubotwo> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse.
[10:25] <kimmern> Hey! Why does "df -h" say that I am out of diskspace when i'm not? I've deleted at least 3 gb and still it says 0 available diskspace! can't download anything cause my computer obviesly thinks i'm out of diskspace! whats going on?
[10:26] <Agent_bob> kimmmern did you delete or did you trash ?
[10:27] <kimmern> oh my god i'm a retard...thanks Agent_bob! just got out of bed :P
[10:28] <Agent_bob> and being slow is not a problem being stoped on the other hand ......
[10:28] <Agent_bob> :)
[10:30] <murchadh_bhaba> Didn't like being called stoped!
[10:31] <Agent_bob> now i wonder how to start gnome ???
[10:31] <Agent_bob> guess not...
[10:31] <Agent_bob> i have   startfluxbox       startx             startxfce4     but no startgnome
[10:31] <Agent_bob> hmmmmm
[10:32] <Agent_bob> will  gnome-wm   do it ?
[10:33] <eMaX_> ne1 here has configured proftpd? When I use gproftpd and explicitely say "activate", it is activated with /etc/proftpd.conf. Otherwise it is also activated, but I don't know with which conf
[10:33] <murchadh_bhaba> Agent_bob, Looks likely.
[10:34] <Agent_bob> gnome-wm --display :0
[10:34] <Agent_bob> Window manager error: Unable to open X display
[10:34] <Agent_bob> and yes x is running
[10:34] <stdin> Agent_bob: would it be gnome-session
[10:35] <murchadh_bhaba> Agent_bob, My guess is you'll have to stop X first.
[10:36] <Agent_bob> stdin i tried that but it seems to be void of any pannel or mouse input actions
[10:36] <Agent_bob> murchadh_bhaba negitive.
[10:36] <stdin> asked in #ubuntu ?
[10:36] <Agent_bob> hehhe   but they don't like to talk to me in there....
[10:37] <stdin> I don't think you'll find to many gnome experts in here tho
[10:37] <murchadh_bhaba> Agent_bob, I don't have it installed any more. Used to just select it at the graphical login screen (kdm).
[10:38] <Agent_bob> murchadh_bhaba assuming i used a dm or even had one installed that would probably work.
[10:38] <stdin> did you install gnome manually or ubuntu-desktop ?
[10:38] <thepianoguy> why does my kubuntu scratch the disk a bit every few seconds?
[10:38] <Agent_bob> gnome
[10:38] <Agent_bob> it's a meta package   like  kde is
[10:39] <murchadh_bhaba> Agent_bob, Yeah, didn't think it was you. ??)
[10:39] <dani> a question i am using vmware and my mixer is not working
[10:39] <dani> i have the new download for kubuntu
[10:39] <scarfreewill> my hdd is curupted plz help need free/opensrc app to recover btw the fs is ext3
[10:40] <shinobi2> i installed built essential, but gcc is not linking, missing curses.h
[10:40] <Agent_bob> thepianoguy something reading for new file systems    like an auto mounting process ?
[10:41] <stdin> scarfreewill: have you tried fsck
[10:41] <scarfreewill> no
[10:41] <stdin> "sudo shutdown -F -r" should force a check
[10:42] <thepianoguy> it looks like there are some programs (services) behind doing "some stuff" I'm not aware
[10:42] <matthew> scarfreewill, please please please use normal english here.
[10:42] <dani> how do i fix the sound problem
[10:42] <matthew> There is no hurry. I promise.
[10:42] <scarfreewill> matthew, sorry will do
[10:43] <matthew> scarfreewill, is english not your first language?
[10:43] <scarfreewill> matthew, no afrikaans
[10:43] <matthew> scarfreewill, ok, I guess that your sin is forgivable, lol
[10:43] <matthew> scarfreewill, sorry to be rude.
[10:44] <scarfreewill> matthew, np
[10:44] <scarfreewill> matthew oops i can't help it :P
[10:45] <Agent_bob> np
[10:45] <Agent_bob> we all do that
[10:46] <Agent_bob> ok what's the gnome pannel called ?
[10:46] <Agent_bob> oh gnome-panel  drr de drr drr
[10:46] <stdin> :p
[10:47] <Agent_bob> :) the idiot that can't laugh at himself isn't much of an idiot imo
[10:49] <Kabal> When I do a apt-get update I get this: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 34 not upgraded.
[10:49] <Kabal> Why are 34 not upgraded?
[10:49] <stdin> try dist-upgrade
[10:49] <Kabal> oke
[10:50] <Kabal> 34 packages have been kept back.. the same..
[10:50] <Agent_bob> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:50] <Kabal> I did
[10:50] <Agent_bob> hmmmm
[10:50] <stdin> try sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[10:51] <Agent_bob> or use synaptic even
[10:51] <Kabal> should I mix up apt and aptitude
[10:51] <Kabal> ?
[10:51] <murchadh_bhaba> Kabal, If sudo apt-get upgrade doesn't work, you may have mixed sources.
[10:51] <stdin> no reason not to
[10:51] <vosecek> Hi, i need help with adding support for NTFS write (ntfs-3g)
[10:51] <Kabal> murchadh_bhaba: that could very well be :)
[10:51] <stdin> !ntfs-3g
[10:51] <Ubotwo> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[10:52] <vosecek> When i write gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list it will write "unknown command gksudo"
[10:52] <stdin> vosecek: you want "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[10:52] <murchadh_bhaba> vosecek, Used kdesu instead of gksudo
[10:53] <Jucato> use kate instead of gedit
[10:55] <_eMaX_> hmm.
[10:55] <_eMaX_> anyone here has proftpd configured?
[10:56] <mf_debian> anyone here use a socket 775 celeron, while mine it seems good in terms of heat, the fan seems to spin up and down alot, kinda whiny, annoys the hell out of me
[10:57] <vosecek> stdin: it will write "cannot connect to X server" and when i want to edit through Kate i cannot save it (i am not root in graphic mode)
[10:57] <zch> hrm can someone help me out here, i just installed kubuntu, and tried installing compiz, then suddenly i couldnt run any system settings, it says conversation with su failed
[10:57] <zch> su works fine within shell console though
[10:57] <stdin> vosecek: did you use kdesu?
[10:58] <vosecek> i am sorry, it works!
[10:58] <stdin> :)
[10:58] <vosecek> I was in root terminal, when i tried it in normal terminal it is ok
[10:59] <stdin> live and learn
[10:59] <vosecek> learning by doing
[10:59] <zch> any idea what is going on?
[10:59] <stdin> that's best way
[11:04] <murchadh_bhaba> zch, I'm no expert, but I dont think using su is recomended. !sudo
[11:04] <zch> well i just want to set resolution
[11:04] <zch> and if i go to settings
[11:05] <zch> it asks for password
[11:05] <zch> and says
[11:05] <zch> conversation with su failed
[11:06] <murchadh_bhaba> zch, Something to do with messing up ownership of files. Probably what you've done. Giveme a min.....
[11:06] <zch> ok
[11:10] <murchadh_bhaba> zch, kdesu krandrtray at a shell should help you with hte resolution. On the other nissue, we'll have to research a bit further....
[11:11] <zch> ok let me try that first im stuck in 640x480
[11:11] <zch> nah, same conversation with su failed
[11:13] <murchadh_bhaba> zch, If there are other modes available, ctrl+alt++ (control alt and plus on the numeric pad) should up the res. Anyone else on this one?
[11:13] <zch> nothing
[11:15] <murchadh_bhaba> zch, I don't think there are any higher modes available to you. I'd say you may need to sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:16] <zch> i was in normal resolution i was messing with adept installing packages
[11:16] <zch> and then this happened
[11:17] <murchadh_bhaba> zch, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will reconfigure X, allowing you to select a graphics chipset, resolutions, etc.
[11:18] <zch> trying now
[11:19] <Polly_Morf> part
[11:20] <Polly_Morf> crap!
[11:26] <vosecek> Why i cannot to umout /media/hdb1 ? It will write twice "device is already used"
[11:27] <murchadh_bhaba> vosecek, Something is accessing files on the partition.
[11:28] <fnord5> im looking for somethinglike  /join #ubuntu-lgx?
[11:28] <fnord5> what am i typeing in wrong?
[11:29] <murchadh_bhaba> vosecek, You will have to stop that process. It may be something as simple as being in a directory of that mount in a shell.
[11:29] <maryen> hi!
[11:29] <maryen> I turned to the dark side and converted my kubuntu to ubuntu
[11:29] <maryen> :(
[11:30] <vosecek> No, nothing is runnig of hdb1, every application (kate, kopete etc.) runs of ext3 disc
[11:31] <Windwalker> Hi. I have a problem with one postscript file. Can somebody tell me if he printed the file successfully on his printer. I really need your help
[11:31] <eMaX_> send it to me
[11:31] <Windwalker> mail pls
[11:32] <Windwalker> go private
[11:32] <intelikey> gnome is totally hosed.
[11:32] <eMaX_> hrmpf. private msg are blocked.
[11:33] <Windwalker> how to send it to you?
[11:33] <eMaX_> spam@mnsoft.org
[11:33] <intelikey> eMaX_ not for registered users
[11:33] <eMaX_> :)
[11:33] <murchadh_bhaba> intelikey, WelKome bacK to the land of K!
[11:33] <Windwalker> ok
[11:33] <Windwalker> 1 mom
[11:33] <intelikey> murchadh_bhaba yeah.  tanks.
[11:34] <eMaX_> bhaba haba? Haba nmbahaba ba.
[11:34] <murchadh_bhaba> vosecek, What type is /dev/hdb1
[11:34] <intelikey> actually it the land of people that give a 'put propper by word here'
[11:35] <Windwalker> eMaX_ the problem is unusual. I cannot print well the Courier New font. However I print the ps file fine from Slackware 10.1 and the same printer ppd
[11:35] <Windwalker> Which is your distro?
[11:35] <Windwalker> Check your E-mail
[11:36] <eMaX_> Oh freddled gruntbuggly...
[11:36] <murchadh_bhaba> intelikey, You been trying to make up with those gnomes in #ubuntu or what?
[11:36] <vosecek> murchadh_bhaba, it is ntfs partition i am trying to write to ntfs
[11:37] <intelikey> murchadh_bhaba not really.    just went to see if it was like i last saw it.     actually i used to set in there all time in place of in here cause i felt sorry for all the people that came in and got ignored like i did....   but then i made an op mad and they locked me out for a few weeks ....
[11:38] <znoGG> hi
[11:38] <intelikey> and that made me mad and thing went down hill from there.... :)
[11:38] <znoGG> does anyone else have problems downloading kubuntu edgy release?
[11:38] <znoGG> the DVD in particular
[11:38] <znoGG> i can't get a successful download from anywhere
[11:39] <Windwalker> eMax_, did you recieve the postscript file?
[11:39] <murchadh_bhaba> vosecek, Yes I have done what you are doing. You need to umount /dev/hdb1 so you can sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1. Is that where you are?
[11:39] <fnord5> i downloaded the dvd fine but that was 2 months ago
[11:39] <intelikey> znoGG i'd have tons of trubble with it....  dialup.
[11:39] <eMaX_> apparently cannot decompress it
[11:39] <Windwalker> hm...
[11:39] <murchadh_bhaba> intelikey, I've never been. Is it that bad an experience? ??)
[11:40] <Windwalker> tar xvzpf nameoffile
[11:40] <znoGG> fnord5: interesting... for example, from the main kubuntu mirrors, it downloads a 0 byte file
[11:40] <znoGG> i tried using ftp, permission denied on the remote end
[11:40] <vosecek> murchadh_bhaba, no, it is not ok. It is looking that something is running, by i do not not what ...
[11:40] <znoGG> real weird stuff
[11:41] <Windwalker> eMaX_, which is your distro?
[11:42] <eMaX_> atanas rogachev
[11:42] <Windwalker> :)
[11:42] <edgy> Hi, I installed proftpd and it created a user ftp:x:123:65534::/home/ftp:/bin/false in /etc/passwd but it didn't create any group with that number in /etc/group isn't that a bug?
[11:43] <znoGG> ok all i had to do was turn off PASV mode, cool
[11:43] <znoGG> :)
[11:43] <Windwalker> eMaX_ where are you from?
[11:43] <eMaX_> switzerland, originally germany
[11:43] <Windwalker> Ehat is this name Atanas Rogachev?
[11:43] <eMaX_> speak some russian and some polish
[11:43] <Windwalker> I am from BG
[11:44] <eMaX_> well that is written on the sheet
[11:44] <Windwalker> I also speak russian, nemnojko
[11:44] <eMaX_> ok it prints fine
[11:44] <Windwalker> did you manage to see all text 1:1
[11:44] <eMaX_> actually I have a postscript printer
[11:44] <eMaX_> yes
[11:44] <eMaX_> can you read it?
[11:44] <Windwalker> I have problem with Coiurier new :(
[11:44] <eMaX_> if you want I can scan it in and send it back to you
[11:45] <Windwalker> only 50% of the characters are printed. I mean only the first part ot each character
[11:45] <eMaX_> hehe. that is very helpful
[11:45] <Windwalker> very strange. I have 3 machines in (K)ubuntu and the same problem with 5 different printers
[11:45] <Windwalker> Which is your distro?
[11:45] <Windwalker> I have 6.06 LTS
[11:46] <eMaX_> I have a fresh edgy
[11:46] <Windwalker> Hm...
[11:46] <Windwalker> This could be the reason for the broken cups...or font...
[11:46] <eMaX_> trashed my suse after having been a suse user since the beginning - and am pretty happy with kubuntu
[11:46] <eMaX_> well I did install extra fonts using easyubuntu
[11:46] <murchadh_bhaba> vosecek, Right, I had serious problems umounting my ntfs drive the other day, and I'm looking for a solution for you. I recommend shutting down X and logging out of all terminals, log back in and try to umount it again.
[11:46] <Windwalker> I had problems with Kubuntu direct install so I did Ubuntu->kubuntu desktop
[11:47] <Windwalker> Thank you for your help. I will look deeper into the matter...though I don't know how ;)
[11:47] <vosecek> thx, i'll try it.
[11:48] <murchadh_bhaba> vosecek, Is it the ntfs-3g driver you're going to use?
[11:48] <eMaX_> I just sent it back to you
[11:48] <eMaX_> as a scanned pdf
[11:49] <Windwalker> np I absolutely believe you. I will send you my problem in jpg for you to see.
[11:50] <eMaX_> hmm. Faktura No ... / 18-09-2006. Are you a bit backlogged with your book keeping :-D
[11:50] <vosecek> murchadh_bhaba, i thing yes, but i will use next manual forinstall from ntfs-3g wiki.ubuntu.com
 well I did install extra fonts using easyubuntu
[11:50] <Windwalker> :) I believe in the (K)ubuntu society ;)
[11:50] <fnord5> could be your problem...
[11:51] <eMaX_> I also did some automatix even though everyone else said I shouldn't - I installed just what I needed so that also worked. Cannot tell why the fonts work fine here, but I never actually expected to have that problem
[11:51] <eMaX_> fnord5 I don't have that problem. Windwalker has
[11:51] <Windwalker> You can check your e-mail for a scanned copy too.
[11:53] <murchadh_bhaba> vosecek, It's pretty straight forward, just change "ntfs" in your /etc/fstab to "ntfs-3g", AFTER you add the sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list, and sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g!
[11:53] <eMaX_> particularly interesting that the (apparently) exact same font does come out in one line (Identif. No.) but does not come out in the next line. (M.O.L.)
[11:54] <Windwalker> eMaX_, only the Courier New has problems. The other text is in Arial
[11:54] <eMaX_> No the Arial Text also has problems. You do not see the name (Atanac Pogachev)
[11:54] <eMaX_> which is right of "M.O.L."
[11:54] <intelikey> it took me that long to blast gnome from this system....
[11:55] <Windwalker> :) I just photoshoped it a little ;)
[11:55] <eMaX_> just beyond 11553272
[11:55] <murchadh_bhaba> intelikey, Gnone, but not easily forgotten!
[11:55] <eMaX_> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh.
[11:55] <eMaX_> ok
[11:55] <Windwalker> :) but I cannot photoshop the ps file
[11:55] <eMaX_> well I won't tell Nikolay.
[11:56] <Windwalker> 10x I owe you :D
[11:56] <eMaX_> well anyway in this case you have a very strange problem with courier
[11:56] <Windwalker> I guess it is my distro's problem
[11:56] <Windwalker> I tested with CUPS 1.2.0 and 1.2.2
[11:56] <Windwalker> Still the same problem
[11:56] <eMaX_> hey, all (*): anyone ever had a problem where a printout chops off every second half of every character in one given font (courier)?
[11:56] <Windwalker> tested it with HP1010, HP1020, KM1400W, HP1160 and OKi B4250
[11:57] <intelikey> murchadh_bhaba how far did you say you were from Dublin ?
[11:58] <murchadh_bhaba> intelikey, Chancer I never did, but g
[11:58] <murchadh_bhaba> Galway!
[11:58] <intelikey> ah ok... i must have been thinking of someone else
[11:59] <murchadh_bhaba> intelikey, ??)
[12:02] <Windwalker> eMaX_,
[12:02] <Windwalker> Can you post output from gx -v
[12:02] <Windwalker> gs -v
[12:02] <Windwalker> sorry
[12:03] <eMaX_> moment
[12:04] <eMaX_> hey I have something for you.
[12:05] <eMaX_> when I use image magick to convert the ps directly to a pdf, I get the same effect you have
[12:05] <Windwalker> :)
[12:05] <Windwalker> You kinda warmed my soul
[12:07] <Windwalker> Is this setting in the CUPS configuration?
[12:07] <eMaX_> so if you use a non postscript printer and some whatever cool conversion to laserjet etc. then the right suggestion would be to go buy a decent postscript printer :)
[12:07] <eMaX_> if I use ghostview, I can see the file w/o problems
[12:08] <eMaX_> but even ps2ps kills it
[12:08] <eMaX_> very interesting
[12:08] <Windwalker> eMaX_, how can I preview it using ghostview. I don't have this program
[12:09] <eMaX_> gv *.ps
[12:09] <eMaX_> but it won't help if you do not have a postscript printer
[12:09] <murchadh_bhaba> eMaX_, Have you tried the hplip driver (HPs own linux drivers). Just to narrow things down.
[12:09] <eMaX_> apt-get install gv
[12:09] <eMaX_> well not me so far
[12:09] <Windwalker> I will install it now
[12:10] <eMaX_> yes but if you cannot simply lpr bla.ps, gv won't help. As if you print, it will route it through the same way you normally do. and then you get the conversion problems I also see when I use convert bla.ps bla.pdf etc.
[12:10] <eMaX_> well, at least you can /read/ your file :)
[12:10] <Windwalker> :)
[12:11] <Windwalker> What about the customers...give them a legend like c=o...
[12:11] <eMaX_> Now here is a suggestion. I set up a ps to pdf print and scan service, get 5 USD per page and sit back :D
[12:12] <eMaX_> dobrze.
[12:12] <eMaX_> I have to get back working. Thanks for pointing me to a reason why I should not throw away my postscript printer :)
[12:12] <Windwalker> sound good...I'd better remember the phrase "Ubuntu is an old African word for - I don't understand Slackware"
[12:12] <eMaX_> hahahahaha
[12:13] <Windwalker> :) Success in your work!
[12:13] <eMaX_> tnx
[12:20] <A|arm> hello. why do applications requiere so much memory ? kate 40mb , gaim 80mb, ksysguard 30 , kmix 30mb and so on. i find it too extreme gaim under windows to use 8mb-10mb and in linux 10x more . could be something wrong ?
[12:21] <intelikey> A|arm allocated
[12:21] <intelikey> not used
[12:22] <A|arm> what do u mean ?
[12:23] <intelikey> so much memory allocated    dose mean they are using it
[12:24] <A|arm> sure, but i got also other apps that allocate that memory as an effect new application started to use the swap which is defenetely slower
[12:25] <intelikey> A|arm yep that's the reason i don't have swap
[12:25] <A|arm> swap is needed
[12:25] <A|arm> for such reasons
[12:26] <intelikey> A|arm nope.
[12:27] <intelikey> A|arm  if an app is allocated 100m but is only using 10m  and another one wants 50m but there isn't that buch free it's taken form the unused allocated
[12:28] <A|arm> good explanation, then why applications are written on swap if there is still free memory ?
[12:29] <A|arm> or do 5-10apps need 512mb mem ?
[12:30] <intelikey> A|arm no i can run 10 apps as long as one is not gimp or oo  in kde on a system with 64m and no swap.
[12:31] <eMaX_> because you have an operating system, not a shit system.
[12:31] <intelikey> in fact i have ran ubuntu kde in 32m   but that's pretty tight.
[12:31] <A|arm> something that could help: system guard shows:  about 200mb application memory , 512 cached memory 200+ buffered memory. does that help ?
[12:32] <A|arm> i can understand the first number with app memory.. whats about cached and buffered memory usage ?
[12:32] <intelikey> this box has 256m and i've never used swap   and only hadd oomk work when testing fork bombs
[12:32] <eMaX_> alarm it is absolutely no problem for an app to allocate loads of memory. just use oracle. or vmware.
[12:33] <intelikey> A|arm  type  free   in a konsole   and look at the line "-/+ buffers/cache:"   that's actual use
[12:33] <Stalwart> which kernel is in herd1 cd?
[12:33] <A|arm> okie moment
[12:34] <A|arm>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[12:34] <A|arm> Mem:        515824     510192       5632          0      16820     282364
[12:34] <intelikey> -/+ buffers/cache: <<<<
[12:34] <intelikey> what you showed is the allocated not the used.
[12:34] <akrus> hello everyone
[12:34] <akrus> is there something like sndconfig under ubuntu?
[12:35] <akrus> just changed the soundcard and it's not changed
[12:35] <intelikey> fraid not
[12:35] <A|arm> -/+ buffers/cache:     211008     304816
[12:35] <A|arm> 211used 300mb free
[12:35] <eMaX_> so you have used 211008 and have free 304816
[12:35] <intelikey> yep A|arm that's it.
[12:35] <A|arm> thats good then. thank you  a lot :)
[12:35] <A|arm> got a shock that xorg was using 180mb
[12:36] <intelikey> hehhe x takes about 1m
[12:36] <A|arm> allocates 180mb then
[12:36] <A|arm> :)
[12:37] <student_> potrzebuje pomocy] 
[12:37] <akrus> someone? xD
[12:37] <eMaX_> i co?
[12:38] <akrus> how to detect the sound card? :x
[12:38] <eMaX_> hmm. I just found out I should empty /tmp/kde-*/dvd/VIDEO_TS from time to time :)
[12:38] <eMaX_> mv
[12:38] <intelikey> akrus lshw
[12:39] <A|arm> which command could i use to see how much memory each applications uses (not allocates)
[12:39] <eeos> hi there.
[12:39] <eMaX_> top
[12:39] <eMaX_> ps
[12:39] <intelikey> A|arm that idk
[12:39] <eeos> I am getting a strange erro on a fresh installtion of kubuntu 6.10
[12:39] <A|arm> okie thanks
[12:39] <eeos> whe I try to sudo, I get timestamp error. why is that happening?
[12:40] <intelikey> clock wrong
[12:40] <eeos> when I try to sudo, I get timestamp error (= sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Dec 18 12:34:10 2006)
[12:40] <eeos> intelikey in what sense?
[12:40] <eMaX_> well that is not actually in the future.
[12:40] <akrus> intelikey: and? :)
[12:41] <eeos> intelikey the clock is right, as far as I can see
[12:41] <akrus> *-multimedia UNCLAIMED
[12:41] <intelikey> akrus was it not listed ?
[12:42] <eeos> anyone with a clue about how to solve the problem?
[12:42] <A|arm> sometimes when trying to run some apps, they run without any problem but i get following error:
[12:42] <akrus> intelikey: it's listed
[12:42] <A|arm> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[12:43] <A|arm>   Major opcode:  144
[12:43] <A|arm>   Minor opcode:  3
[12:43] <A|arm>   Resource id:  0x0
[12:43] <A|arm> is that some major that needs to be fixed ?
[12:43] <intelikey> eeos if you have clock set locally and change it to utc it can cause that   the output will still be correct but the timestamp will be wrong    or vise versa
[12:43] <A|arm> sorry for the line flooding
[12:43] <jager> check your timezone?
[12:43] <eMaX_> a|arm I also get that
[12:43] <eMaX_> every time I start an x app
[12:43] <eMaX_> I suspect it to be some synaptics device setting in xorg.conf
[12:43] <eMaX_> but I haven't checked so far
[12:43] <intelikey> A|arm wacom device.
[12:43] <A|arm> okie, nothing to worry
[12:44] <A|arm> wacom device ? is that something that could be fixed ?
[12:44] <eeos> intelikey I really do not understand, I did not change the clock at all. could you explain, or point me to some docuementation? the installation is a fresh installation, the home directory has been kept from the previous installation
[12:45] <intelikey> A|arm if you want to fix it   there are three wacom devices listed in /etc/X11/xorg.conf  you can comment all three out.    just be sure to get the whold section not just the one line
[12:45] <stivy> hello
[12:45] <A|arm> would this affect later on something else ?
[12:46] <eMaX_> yes when you finally want to use a table pc, you have to comment the stuff back in
[12:46] <A|arm> ok . i'd better leave it then
[12:46] <intelikey> eeos i don't know what you did/didn't do or what your system is set to do automatically  (like sync the clock with a server maybe)   but i know what timestamp in the future means....
[12:46] <intelikey> A|arm only wacom devices.
[12:46] <eeos> intelikey yes, but I do not understand what to do now.
[12:47] <intelikey> eeos wait until the time has elapsed and it will fix it's self.
[12:47] <akrus> intelikey: :)
[12:47] <intelikey> it's normally not more than 5/6 hours  :)
[12:48] <A|arm> what would be the world without those help channels :)
[12:48] <eeos> intelikey the time has elapsed? what time?
[12:48] <intelikey> the clock has to get to the time the file is marked with
[12:48] <fnord5> kubuntu seems to run overly slow for me i know i only have 250mgs and 1.7gigs but its hella slow,any ideas?we really get bogged down whenever imdownloading anything with apt or frost wire
[12:48] <eeos> intelikey 5/6 hours???? I need to get craking, I need it for working, it is not a toy! :P
[12:49] <eMaX_> well then boot it and set the time
[12:50] <murchadh_bhaba> eeos, Says 12:34 in your post. What time have you now?
[12:50] <LeeJunFan> fnord5: while your downloading? sure it's not a network issue?
[12:51] <fnord5> 600-800kbs average
[12:51] <fnord5> thru wifi
[12:52] <LeeJunFan> fnord5: that's from another system on your lan I take it?
[12:52] <intelikey> date +"%s"
[12:52] <intelikey> 1166442726
[12:52] <intelikey> eeos ^
[12:53] <eeos> murchadh_bhaba I have 11:53
[12:53] <eeos> murchadh_bhaba how do I reset the clock so that sudo can work?
[12:54] <intelikey> eeos what does date -u say ?
[12:54] <fnord5> um nope just some niehbor with an open connection
[12:54] <murchadh_bhaba> eeos, Should self right itself by intelikey's estimation in 40 mins.
[12:54] <eeos> intelikey Mon Dec 18 11:54:24 UTC 2006
[12:54] <eeos> intelikey date -u = Mon Dec 18 11:54:24 UTC 2006
[12:55] <LeeJunFan> fnord5: you do realize that in the US people have been prosecuted for using someone elses wireless, just because it's unsecured doesn't mean it's yours to use.
[12:55] <intelikey> ok so you are on utc time    hmmmm
[12:55] <fnord5> frostwire loads a program called java that ive seen take up to 60% of my resources
[12:56] <fnord5> yes im aware
[12:56] <eeos> intelikey murchadh_bhaba  is the problem going to present itself each time I boot?
[12:56] <LeeJunFan> yeah, java can be a bit much. I remember back when ICQ was available as a java program from ICQ, for linux it took about 40-60M of ram.
[12:56] <intelikey> should never show up again
[12:57] <fnord5> i dont think they mind,there router is labeld "state street internet" and im guessing they have it out there for people to use free
[12:57] <fnord5> why does frostwire need java?
[12:57] <jager> it's written in java
[12:57] <murchadh_bhaba> eeos not unless something is changing your clack.
[12:57] <jager> it needs the virtual machine
[12:58] <fnord5> is there a p2p that wouldent eat up so much of my presius resources?
[12:58] <murchadh_bhaba> oops clock! Now it's time for some fresh air. Time to raise the average IQ in here again. Later!
[12:58] <LeeJunFan> fnord5: java is a language which is portable across different operating systems/platforms. Java can run un just about any type of OS, so they use java so it will be compatible with everything w/o having to write different versions for every different platform.
[12:58] <LeeJunFan> fnord5: ktorrent, mldonkey/kmldonkey maybe?
[12:59] <fnord5> thanks
[12:59] <intelikey> eeos the thing about "fixing" that problem is that you need root access   which with *buntu's root jr. aproach to that you don't have....   so patients is the answer.
[01:00] <intelikey> or a reboot to single and reset the file    ...
[01:03] <eeos> intelikey is there a way to go back to a normal root approach, where you have the root user? on a 6.06 installtion I was able to use the traditional root approach (where you can su -).
[01:04] <torpor> hi all ..
[01:05] <torpor> having a small hard time getting wireless working on my Dell laptop (inspiron 8200) after moving to kubuntu .. anyone know of a good FAQ or howto for such a setup?
[01:06] <Eyeless> !wireless
[01:06] <Ubotwo> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:06] <torpor> i'm using kwifimanager, but its not seeing my network .. whereas the 'wireless assistant wireless lan manager" seems to be working ..
[01:06] <torpor> Ubotwo: thanks!
[01:06] <Ubotwo> torpor: Error: "thanks!" is not a valid command.
[01:06] <torpor> Ubotwo: thanks
[01:06] <Ubotwo> torpor: Error: "thanks" is not a valid command.
[01:06] <Eyeless> its a bot :P
[01:06] <torpor> eyeless: thanks!
[01:07] <torpor> i know i meant to say thanks to you Eyeless
[01:07] <Eyeless> dont thank me yet, that might not help you :P
[01:08] <torpor> it doesn't.
[01:08] <torpor> maybe i have a better idea: how to i switch back to 'normal' ubuntu from kubuntu?  that'll probably work better, since all the docs are for that instead ..
[01:09] <Eyeless> well, the docs r pretty general sp
[01:09] <Eyeless> so*
[01:09] <torpor> thing is wlan is working fine with my powerbook (this IRC session for example) but Kwifimanager doesn't seem to be working at all ..
[01:10] <torpor> i/ve added the details to config 1, selected "activate config 1" but it doesn't seem to work..
[01:10] <Eyeless> hmmm, take a look on the docs for your card and see if theres some notes or instructions
[01:10] <torpor> in my /var/log/messages i get the msg: "eth1: lucent/agere firmware doesnt support manual roaming" .. whatever that means ..
[01:10] <intelikey> i'm about to loose this connection cause i'm uninstalling everything. that doesn't require "yes, do as i say"
[01:11] <||arifaX> when I use suspend after restarting the machine it seems like parts of the filesystem are not mounted. I am not able to shutdown the machine then because all commands to do this are not available during the filesystem problem. any ideas/tricks?
[01:11] <intelikey> ||arifaX mountpoints ?
[01:12] <intelikey> what is it not mounting ?
[01:12] <||arifaX> intelikey: dunno for example nearly all in /usr/lib is read and where usually the user rights are displayed there is only ???????
[01:12] <Eyeless> torpor: which wireless card do you have?
[01:12] <RoKFiT> is it possible to move the tray icon area to another panel?
[01:12] <||arifaX> intelikey: read=red
[01:13] <intelikey> hmmm
[01:13] <torpor> Eyeless i guess its the default one in dell inspiron 8200, orinoco-based?
[01:14] <||arifaX> intelikey: I only have /dev/sda1 where all is located so I think this is bad. I also see error messages concerning this partition when switching to a terminal in the *broken* mode
[01:14] <||arifaX> intelikey: I think ubuntu restores the ram but not the disk state
[01:15] <RoKFiT> so it is not possible to move tray icons from main panel?
[01:15] <Eyeless> torpor: thers 2 differnt versions it seems: http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~sudhakar/linux/linux-dell.html
[01:16] <Eyeless> that guy used rhel tho
[01:17] <torpor> okay i guess i have to work out which chip i've got.
[01:17] <torpor> i *have* had wireless working on this before (with MEPIS) its just been a big mess since i moved to ubuntu ..
[01:17] <Eyeless> torpor: ahh, well, hopefully its something trivial :P
[01:18] <torpor> it says "lucent/agere firmware doesnt support manual roaming" .. so is there a way to turn roaming off then?
[01:24] <RoKFiT> no more panel games
[01:25] <stamen> hi
[01:25] <stamen> who can help to set NVIDIA TV out
[01:25] <stamen> to work properly
[01:25] <RoKFiT> what do you mean by set it?
[01:25] <stamen> it works but black and white
[01:26] <RoKFiT> what program?
[01:26] <stamen> to make it work in prper resolution and to be with colours
[01:26] <stamen> nvidia settings
[01:26] <RoKFiT> !nvidia
[01:26] <Ubotwo> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:26] <stamen> RoKFiT: If you have other program say it
[01:26] <RoKFiT> i use tv time, but i have a separate card
[01:27] <stamen> but I have only one, will it work with one
[01:27] <RoKFiT> i would hope so
[01:27] <RoKFiT> do you have the proper drivers installed?
[01:29] <evans> hi
[01:29] <stamen> yes, they are from the web site of nvidia
[01:29] <stamen> and they are working
[01:29] <RoKFiT> try another tv program
[01:29] <stamen> RoKFiT: how to type this tv time in console
[01:29] <RoKFiT> which were you using?
[01:30] <stamen> I am using nvidia settings
[01:30] <RoKFiT> tvtime
[01:34] <stamen> RoKFiT: I have installed this tv time
[01:34] <stamen> but how to configure it now to work
[01:34] <stamen> with the th out
[01:36] <RoKFiT> stamen: i'm not sure.
[01:36] <dominik> hi
[01:36] <RoKFiT> is there an nvidia program in /usr/bin/ you could run?
[01:36] <RoKFiT> like a setup program
[01:36] <RoKFiT> anything in the k menu
[01:37] <stamen> there is Tv time and in system nvidia settings
[01:37] <RoKFiT> go into system nvidia settings
[01:37] <stamen> and
[01:37] <dominik> i will let them know
[01:38] <RoKFiT> what are the options it gives you?
[01:38] <stamen> they are many
[01:38] <RoKFiT> anything about color, or are they controller options
[01:38] <Teraps> Please help: I just installed Kubuntu and when i boot, came error: "/bin/sh: can't access tty1, job control turned off"
[01:39] <stamen> I can configure X display configuration
[01:39] <stamen> there is the option for tv out
[01:40] <AddyK> Aloha! :)
[01:40] <snowrichard> hola
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[01:40] <AddyK> spam?
[01:40] <RoKFiT> oh-kay?
[01:41] <vado> Bonjoir
[01:42] <Eyeless> the sad part is that the spam isnt even clickable
[01:43] <RoKFiT> eyeless was that you that responded to my post on the kubuntu forums about audio popping
[01:44] <Eyeless> RoKFiT: nope
[01:46] <RoKFiT> bbl
[01:49] <bartist> hello
[01:49] <bartist> i've pb with my sound
[01:49] <bartist> how can i reset alsa?
[01:50] <AddyK> Hmm, shouldn't it be: sudo alsactl stop
[01:50] <AddyK> ?
[01:50] <AddyK> Just a guess :|
[01:50] <bartist> i have no idea
[01:50] <bartist> the point is that the sound is very light
[01:51] <bartist> and seems to come from very faaar away
[01:51] <dominik> this isn't good
[01:51] <bartist> do you have any idea?
[01:51] <AddyK> Ok... do then alsamixer
[01:51] <akrus> hello again
[01:51] <akrus> I cannot switch to 2.6.20
[01:51] <method|> something is wrong. when I type df it says that I have no space left. i'm deleting stuff off my harddrive and it still says i have no space left. for some reason the things im deleting isnt going to trash either
[01:51] <AddyK> and you should see many volumeters or something...
[01:51] <bartist> AddyK: alsamixer in term??
[01:51] <AddyK> Yes :)
[01:51] <akrus> during boot it stops, when I CTRL+ALT+F1 -> "Cannot assign something to PCI"
[01:52] <bartist> alsamixer seems to be allright
[01:53] <AddyK> OK... but do you see many volumeters that don't have that slide?
[01:53] <AddyK> Those can be turned on or off with m
[01:53] <AddyK> you should try and see if it works....
[01:54] <bartist> the mixer seems good
[01:54] <bartist> and it doesn't work
[01:54] <AddyK> OK... I'm outta here... Installed Kubuntu :)
[01:54] <AddyK> Good luck, bartist!
[01:55] <bartist> thanks
[01:56] <tijoe> is it possible/recommended to move form edgy back to dapper? have lots of problems with edgy. thanks
[01:57] <torpor> hi all
[01:57] <tijoe> hi
[01:58] <malik__> is there any command or keys for konqi to add .com when typing the urls?
[01:58] <torpor> i've verified that my card is the truemobile 1150 (DELL) and its using the orinoco drivers .. anyone got any clues what i have to do to get ubuntu/kubuntu to recognize it properly?  it seems that red hat 8.0 works fine with this card ..
[01:59] <rosemary> hi DanielFaulknor
[01:59] <malik__> like when we type web addresses in opera or IE or firefox i type youtube n then press ctrl+enter key to add www and .com ............what do i do in konqi?
[02:00] <torpor> malik just press enter
[02:00] <malik__> i tried that n it went into some weird system folder instead goin to website
[02:01] <[GuS] > Hi Guys...i have a problem.. i am upgraded some time ago Dapper to Edgy... before i was using  ISO-8859-1 locale system, and in Edgy.... i managed to configure to UTF-8... perfect, i see all ISO symbols OK, but when i browse the computer from another Edgy (UTF8) computer, i see the symbols of the folders/files like it is in ISO... how i could fix this? I am using Kubuntu Edgy amd64
[02:02] <method|> where is the trash folder?
[02:03] <malik__> we type web addresses in opera or IE or firefox i type youtube n then press ctrl+enter key to add www and .com ............what do i do in konqi?
[02:03] <rosemary> method|, on my kubuntu it is on bottom toolbar extreme right bottom
[02:04] <Shan`> hey.. i just changed my monitor but kubuntu wont recognise it.. how do i manually change settings?
[02:04] <Shan`> anyone?
[02:04] <malik__> Shan`: goto system settings n then monitor and display n u can change it there
[02:05] <Shan`> malik__ the Ctrl+Return on Konq doesnt do that.. use Mozilla firefox
[02:05] <Shan`> malik__ i cant do it graphically.. since i dont have the Xorg configed that way
[02:05] <method|> for some reason my trash icon isn't mapped to my trash directory
[02:06] <Shan`> i need to reconfig the XServer settings manually
[02:06] <method|> when I move things to trash it goes to ~/.local/share/Trash/files
[02:06] <method|> but my trash icon doesnt show anything in trash
[02:06] <malik__> bummer.......i dont like firefox really.........wud love to have opera on kubuntu but it doesnt work with the Kmplayers plugins n dosnt play media streams off of the net
[02:06] <akrus> okay I've found where is problem, but anyway do not understand why :)
[02:06] <Shan`> lol.. not much of an option for you
[02:07] <akrus> the error is: PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 2 (and 3) of device 0000:06:00.0
[02:07] <rosemary> method - saorry I should notr have tried to help - not a kubunut user - thought it would be same as m y distro
[02:07] <akrus> could someone help?
[02:07] <tijoe> hi all. recently upgraded from dapper to edgy and not happy with the upgrade. is it possible to change back?
[02:07] <spawn57> akrus: help with what?
[02:07] <Dark> akrus, google might ;)
[02:07] <akrus> [16:07:04]  <akrus> the error is: PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 2 (and 3) of device 0000:06:00.0
[02:07] <VSpike> tijoe: no, 'fraid not
[02:07] <akrus> I've checked google
[02:07] <akrus> there're same problems, but anyway the system loads
[02:08] <spawn57> tijoe: naw, not really, upgrades are kinda one way
[02:08] <akrus> 06:00.0 IDE interface: JMicron Technologies, Inc. JMicron 20360/20363 AHCI Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 01 [PriO] )
[02:08] <akrus> 2.6.19-7 works okay, but not 2.6.20-2
[02:08] <Shan`> can anyone help me?
[02:08] <spawn57> akrus: what's that?
[02:08] <tijoe> oops. it seems to take up a whole lot more disk space
[02:08] <Shan`> how do i change my monitor settings?
[02:08] <akrus> the error :)
[02:08] <tijoe> and a lot of progs crash
[02:09] <Shan`> tijoe reinstall
[02:09] <Shan`> lol
[02:09] <spawn57> Shan`: what resolution do you want it at?
[02:09] <Dark> !ahci
[02:09] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[02:09] <akrus> :(
[02:09] <tijoe> you mean like delete everything, and start over?
[02:09] <Shan`> spawn57 i changed the monitor from a CRT to an LCD. now it wont detect it
[02:09] <Dark> "2.6.19-7 works okay, but not 2.6.20-2" that's kernel right?
[02:09] <Shan`> tijoe yeah
[02:09] <spawn57> Shan` heeh i just did that last night myself
[02:09] <akrus> yep
[02:10] <tijoe> hmm. ok
[02:10] <Shan`> spawn57 lol well.. i thought there was a fglrxconfig command but theres not
[02:10] <Dark> how did you update it?
[02:10] <Shan`> lol
[02:10] <spawn57> Shan`: just you a deafult plug and play setting, select the one closed to your settings
[02:10] <spawn57> Shan`: that's proprietary
[02:10] <spawn57> Shan`: are you using edgy?
[02:10] <Shan`> spawn57 no.. Breezy
[02:10] <spawn57> ah
[02:11] <akrus> hm
[02:11] <spawn57> Shan`: any good with command line?
[02:11] <akrus> seems I've figured out
[02:11] <Shan`> spawn57 theres a util that auto detects these settings right?
[02:11] <Shan`> spawn57 not too sure.. i'm alright tho
[02:11] <spawn57> Shan`: kinda ...
[02:11] <Shan`> spawn57 ... currently on BitchX
[02:11] <spawn57> alright
[02:11] <Shan`> lol
[02:11] <spawn57> make it easy then lol
[02:11] <spawn57> ohh
[02:11] <akrus> hm, no
[02:11] <spawn57> do vi /etc/xorg.conf
[02:11] <akrus> :)
[02:11] <spawn57> um wait
[02:12] <Dark> :))
[02:12] <spawn57> vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:12] <Shan`> spawn57 i tried that.. xord.conf has the oldm onitor in its "Monitor" module.. i dont know what i put in there
[02:12] <Shan`> xorg.conf i.e.
[02:12] <VSpike> I'm looking for the easiest way to solve this task: I have a DVD with a backup of some files and directories, and I want to refresh it.  How can I compare the contents of the DVD with the disk recursively to get a list of what needs to be added or updated?
[02:12] <spawn57> Shan`: I can paste you my config though =P
[02:13] <Dark> VSpike git maybe....
[02:13] <Shan`> spawn57 just tell me what it says under "Monitor"
[02:13] <linux_> if I compress a file to tar.gz can I set also a password ?
[02:13] <spawn57>  identifier "Generic Monitor"
[02:13] <spawn57> modelname "Flat Panel 1280x1024"
[02:13] <spawn57> HorizSync 31.5-90
[02:14] <spawn57> VertRefresh 60
[02:14] <spawn57> what resolution are you looking for?
[02:14] <Shan`> 1024x768
[02:14] <spawn57>  modeline  "1024x768@60" 65.0 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -vsync -hsync
[02:14] <spawn57>   gamma 1.0
[02:14] <spawn57> EndSection
[02:15] <spawn57> VSpike: look up rsync
[02:16] <VSpike> spawn57: hm rsync ..  I never thought of that.
[02:16] <Shan`> hmm
[02:17] <spawn57> Shan`: any luck?
[02:17] <Shan`> spawn57 i just changed the monitor identifier.. lets hope it works
[02:17] <Shan`> brb
[02:17] <spawn57> =O
[02:19] <Dark> changing identifier will only change the name, no? :)
[02:20] <spawn57> I think so
[02:20] <spawn57> I just let it be
[02:20] <achem> i kno this is completly irrelevant but im uing konversation in kubuntu frying to connect to lfs irc, does anyone know if tha server i down
[02:20] <achem> or am i doin umthn wrong
[02:20] <spawn57> might be doing something wrong, I'm on konversation right now
[02:20] <spawn57> try using irc.freenode.org
[02:21] <achem> ok thanx
[02:21] <snowrichard> hi
[02:22] <spawn57> yo
[02:23] <snowrichard> hi maniac musician, I'm schizophrenic programmer :)
[02:23] <spawn57> haha
[02:24] <soon> I have an 80Gb harddrive ... how much do ya'll recommend I set for /  ??  (I'll need a root, a home and a swap)
[02:24] <snowrichard> dot info ...
[02:24] <soon> at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/disk-space-needed.html
[02:24] <soon> it says I'll need 2Gb for the system ... seems a little small to me ...
[02:25] <achem> spawn 57 freenode workd but no lfs
[02:25] <malik__> soon: 2 gig for swap abt 10gig for / (root) n rest for home
[02:25] <achem> so iv got the setup process rite must be lfs issue
[02:26] <soon> okay ... anyone else have an opinion?
[02:26] <spawn57> how much ram do you have?
[02:27] <malik__> u can utitlise abt 40gig n rest of 40 gig u can use as data storage partition where u can keep ur pics n mp3z etc
[02:27] <soon> 2 Gb RAM
[02:27] <spawn57> ah
[02:27] <spawn57> meh just make it 512MB you should be fine
[02:27] <malik__> Hmmmm thats alotta ram
[02:27] <soon> Brand new IBM T60 laptop :-)
[02:27] <spawn57> cool
[02:27] <soon> yes .. me be happy camper :-)
[02:28] <snowrichard> I've got an E-machines Celery that has 160GB drive, 1GB ram (i added some)
[02:28] <soon> only I scratched the surface when I removed the ***** windows sticker :-(
[02:28] <snowrichard> running 64 but gentoo on that one
[02:28] <snowrichard> *bit
[02:28] <spawn57> I wanan watch happy feet =|
[02:28] <snowrichard> I had march of the penguins
[02:28] <achem> Connection to Server irc.linuxfromscratch.org lost: connection actively refused. Trying to reconnect < why?
[02:29] <achem> (konversation)
[02:29] <snowrichard> i got the same thing
[02:30] <achem> nowrichard was that directd at me?
[02:30] <achem> *snowrichard
[02:30] <snowrichard> yes just tried linuxfromscratch.org
[02:30] <achem> ok thankz
[02:30] <achem> must be server issue will try later on
[02:31] <torpor> is there an easy way to switch from kubuntuu to normal ubuntu?
[02:31] <Fleebailey33> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:31] <spawn57> an jump and jump an jump and jump and move!
[02:31] <soon> I went for 15Gb for root
[02:32] <achem> hey tru bout the kubuntu >> gnome , can u do dat for xfce??
[02:33] <achem> apt-get install xfce-desktop? or sumpin
[02:33] <malik__> soon:thats coolmate world is ur oyster:)
[02:33] <achem> fyn den
[02:33] <shenmue> !sumpin
[02:33] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[02:34] <achem> lol
[02:34] <achem> kkz
[02:34] <shenmue> what is sumpin?
[02:42] <j_> !logout
[02:42] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[02:42] <j_> how do I change the logout pic?
[02:42] <j_> somebody at kdelook wrote it can be changed from somewhere
[02:43] <Jucato> j_: hold on
[02:43] <Jucato> j_: http://www.kde-artists.org/logout
[02:43] <j_> I can of course always just overwrite the current pic
[02:44] <j_> ahah, so that is the way to do it, thanks Jucato
[02:44] <shenmue> j_: where is current logout pic then?
[02:45] <j_> ~/.kde/share/apps/ksmserver/pics/
[02:45] <shenmue> thanks
[02:46] <malik__> possibly where can i check the log fie for my internet connection? im using knemo
[02:47] <malik__> file*
[02:48] <j_> shenmue, actually it is /usr/share/apps/ksmserver/pics/
[02:48] <shenmue> j_: yep, i find the location
[02:49] <j_> and you need to go root to change that
[02:50] <j_> is there a way to root an existing konqueror window?
[02:50] <shenmue> j_: non-root user cannot change logout pic in there user configure dir like ~/.kde/share/apps...?
[02:50] <Jucato> none that I know of
[02:50] <Jucato> shenmue: no.
[02:50] <shenmue> Jucato: thanks~
[02:51] <Jucato> the login and logout screens/dialog boxes are global settings, so only the admin can really change them
[02:52] <j_> woohoo, it worked
[02:52] <j_> is there any harm in launchinig graphical apps with just sudo instead of kdesu?
[02:53] <j_> like I just did "sudo konqueror" from shell
[02:53] <j_> and it complained a lot but still worked
[02:53] <Jucato> !kdesu
[02:53] <Ubotwo> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[02:53] <j_> aha
[02:54] <j_> well it didn't seem to load my konqueror settings gracefully, I don't use the one-click interface but now it was on
[02:56] <j_> btw, how do I add a shortcut for konqueror the file-browser to my taskbar
[02:56] <j_> If I just add konqueror there as an app it always launches in internet browser mode
[02:58] <Jucato> j_: the System Menu applet -> Home doesn't work?
[02:58] <shar9313> does firefox install by default in kubuntu?
[02:59] <Jucato> shar9313: no
[02:59] <towync> hey Jucato
[02:59] <towync> i'm back
[02:59] <towync> lol
[02:59] <Jucato> hi towync :)
[02:59] <towync> after finals =)
[02:59] <j_> Jucato, can't find that
[03:00] <shar9313> is there any better alternative to adept installer?
[03:00] <Jucato> j_: did you change your Kicker (panel) after installation?
[03:00] <Jucato> shar9313: try synaptic or kpackage
[03:00] <j_> possibly
[03:00] <Jucato> j_: it should be beside the K Menu
[03:00] <j_> well, not anymore
[03:01] <Jucato> j_: right-click on the panel -> Add Applet to Panel -> System Menu
[03:01] <j_> probably deleted when I "cleaned up" the interface
[03:01] <j_> yup, thats ok now
[03:01] <intelikey> could i trubble someone to do ((( for Q in `/var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list` ;do grep -He "/openvt" $Q ;done  )))     and tell me it's output please ?
[03:02] <malik__> possibly where can i check the log file for my internet connection? im using knemo
[03:03] <j_> konqui could use a redesign, imo
[03:03] <sercik> i have succesfully instaled beryl on my kubuntu 64 bit
[03:03] <j_> make it more logoish
[03:03] <intelikey> i want the openvt command but don't know what installes it  ???
[03:03] <malik__> aaaaah okie found it
[03:03] <intelikey> anyone  ?
[03:04] <sercik> this is the correct repo to add to sources.list
[03:04] <sercik> eb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org edgy main
[03:04] <sercik> deb-src http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org edgy main
[03:04] <malik__> intelikey: u want that line run in termianl n be informed of the out put?
[03:04] <intelikey> yes
[03:04] <malik__> do i have to sudo or just cut n paste?
[03:05] <intelikey> within ((( )))   just paste
[03:05] <intelikey> no sudo needed
[03:06] <intelikey> should be one file listed   /var/lib/dpkg/info/<something>.list
[03:06] <malik__> oki here it ...........   ((  /var/lib/dpkg/info/acpid.list: Permission denied  ))
[03:06] <intelikey> thank you.
[03:06] <intelikey> ohh wait
[03:06] <malik__> welcome
[03:06] <j_> I get "syntax error near unexpected token `do'"
[03:06] <intelikey>  that was an error message.
[03:06] <j_> when I try sudo that
[03:07] <j_> so it's everything except the ((( )))?
[03:07] <intelikey> yes
[03:07] <malik__> bash: /var/lib/dpkg/info/acpid.list: Permission denied
[03:07] <malik__> thats the line i got out of it
[03:07] <intelikey> malik__ thank you.
[03:07] <towync> hey intelikey
[03:07] <towync> i did it
[03:07] <towync> the output is
[03:08] <j_> and if I try to run openvt I get "Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console"
[03:08] <j_> twice
[03:08] <towync> computer@computer-desktop:~$ for Q in '/var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list'; do grep -He "/openvt" $Q ; done
[03:08] <towync> /var/lib/dpkg/info/console-tools.list:/usr/share/man/man1/openvt.1.gz
[03:08] <towync> /var/lib/dpkg/info/console-tools.list:/usr/bin/openvt
[03:08] <j_> no wait, the second one has different spelling
[03:08] <towync> did u see that intelikey
[03:08] <j_> it's "Could not get a file descriptor referring to the console"
[03:08] <intelikey> ah   console-tools   thanks guys.
[03:08] <towync> yeah
[03:09] <towync> !openvt
[03:09] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[03:09] <towync> what's openvt?
[03:09] <intelikey> it's a tool to open non login consoles.
[03:09] <towync> cool
[03:10] <towync> intelikey : what's -He
[03:10] <intelikey> you have 6 login consoles bu default  but you can open up to 128
[03:10] <towync> just trying to pick up commands =)
[03:10] <intelikey> the e is entry  and the H is ..... man grep lol
[03:10] <towync> o cool lol
[03:10] <mauro_> hi everyone
[03:10] <towync> could u tell me what login consoles are?
[03:10] <intelikey> entry/expression
[03:11] <towync> like i'm thinking of doing away with my login screen, that's why i'm asking lol
[03:11] <sparr> am i the only one planning to give out kubuntu discs for christmas?
[03:11] <towync> yes u r. =) lol
[03:11] <j_> what are these tty things I see when I press ctrl+alt+F3 for example?
[03:11] <shenmue> intelikey: apt-file search openvt maybe help
[03:11] <intelikey> towync i'll show you.   to return to your gui use [alt] +[f7]      to see a login console press [alt] +[ctrl] +[f1] 
[03:12] <sparr> so, for a complete linux newb...  6.10 or 6.06?
[03:12] <shenmue> console-tools: usr/bin/openvt ?
[03:12] <intelikey> shenmue done got it.  but thanks.   and yes if it didn't take an hour and a half to dl the aptfile database it would.
[03:13] <intelikey> ok got ta go,  thanks guys.
[03:14] <mauro_> im trying to schedule a task, but when i try to save it sais an error occured while saving crontab
[03:14] <BluesKaj> Howdy all! :)
[03:14] <soulrider> hi BluesKaj
[03:15] <sdlnxgk> anyone having issues with firefox locking up on them???
[03:15] <soulrider> Hawkwind: you here ?
[03:15] <BluesKaj> hi soulrider , what's news today ?
[03:15] <soulrider> nothing BluesKaj just had my programming midterm today :P
[03:15] <soulrider> BluesKaj: ever used kcron ?
[03:16] <BluesKaj> and , what is yer assesment of how ya did?
[03:16] <akrus> okay, any nVidia users? :)
[03:16] <sdlnxgk> opps !!! i'm using firefox version 1.5.0.8 on Dapper
[03:16] <soulrider> they just gave us 3 problems
[03:16] <soulrider> it wasnt hard
[03:16] <BluesKaj> kcron? no, soulrider
[03:16] <soulrider> at least not for me
[03:16] <soulrider> ohh :(
[03:16] <towync> intelikey:  everything went dark after i saw ctrl alt f1 lol
[03:16] <akrus> FATAL: Error running the install command for nvidia~~
[03:16] <soulrider> it wont save my tasks
[03:16] <BluesKaj> righton:)
[03:16] <sdlnxgk> akrus I use nVidia
[03:16] <akrus> sdlnxgk: does it work okay?
[03:16] <towync> i use nvidia too
[03:17] <akrus> I just can't get it to work
[03:17] <akrus> commented "dri"
[03:17] <towync> and it doesn't like my beryl lol
[03:17] <akrus> & changed "nv" -> "nvidia"
[03:17] <Ubotwo> akrus: Error: "changed" is not a valid command.
[03:17] <akrus> lol
[03:17] <sdlnxgk> installed on an update and works great on Cedega for playing WoW !!!
[03:17] <akrus> :(
[03:17] <akrus> using nv atm
[03:17] <akrus> okay
[03:17] <akrus> someone under Feisty? :)
[03:17] <towync> are u under feisty?
[03:17] <Windwalker> Hi eMaX_ did you get my e-mail?
[03:17] <towync> i was thinking to download feisty
[03:18] <akrus> yep
[03:18] <akrus> testing the bugs lol :)
[03:18] <towync> is it stable?
[03:18] <sparr> where can i find official(?) [k] ubuntu cd label artwork?
[03:18] <towync> o lol
[03:18] <akrus> stable
[03:18] <akrus> but there're some problems
[03:18] <akrus> not so hard
[03:18] <towync> cool =) as reasonable
[03:18] <akrus> but will take time
[03:18] <towync> yeah
[03:18] <akrus> like static IP -> no guis to configure xD
[03:18] <akrus> there're GUIs, but they do not work lol
[03:18] <towync> =)
[03:18] <sdlnxgk> anyone having problems with firefox??
[03:18] <towync> what kind
[03:19] <sdlnxgk> just seems to lock up at times
[03:19] <sdlnxgk> doesn't matter  the web site
[03:19] <towync> o nvm i don't know
[03:19] <akrus> what about Konqueror?
[03:19] <akrus> :)
[03:19] <towync> mine slows after awhile
[03:19] <sdlnxgk> then I close it and reopen and works great till it locks  up again
[03:19] <akrus> and what FF version?
[03:19] <sdlnxgk> never use Konqueror but I could give it a try..
[03:20] <BluesKaj> sdlnxgk, what vers FF ?
[03:20] <sdlnxgk> thought some kind of lib was corrupted or something
[03:20] <sdlnxgk> firefox version 1.5.0.8
[03:20] <akrus> uh lol
[03:20] <akrus> module nvidia not found
[03:20] <akrus> nice error lol
[03:21] <BluesKaj> update to 2.0 , edgy is setup for it
[03:21] <BluesKaj> unless yer on dapper
[03:21] <akrus> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[03:21] <akrus> :o
[03:21] <sdlnxgk> never had a problem with FF running slow or crashing till now..
[03:21] <BluesKaj> 2.0 is still better on both
[03:21] <sdlnxgk> ya i'm  on dapper
[03:21] <BluesKaj> try 2.0
[03:21] <sdlnxgk> it's  stable and haven'had any problems till now
[03:22] <BluesKaj> so is 2.0
[03:22] <sdlnxgk> k will give 2.0 a try
[03:23] <akrus> oh
[03:23] <akrus> does someone remember a command
[03:23] <akrus> to set the xorg module?
[03:23] <akrus> kinda dpkg --reconfigure xorg
[03:25] <shenmue> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[03:25] <Jucato> akrus: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:25] <akrus> ok
[03:25] <akrus> does someone know german?
[03:25] <akrus> http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/50969/30/#401155
[03:25] <akrus> after FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[03:25] <akrus> :)
[03:25] <akrus> trying babelfish~
[03:26] <Jucato> !de
[03:26] <Ubotwo> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:26] <sdlnxgk> dammit 34 degrees right now in America's finest city :(
[03:26] <akrus> >_<
[03:27] <akrus> lol it's italian
[03:28] <Jucato> !it
[03:28] <Ubotwo> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:28] <akrus> nah I've already translated
[03:30] <sparr> I want to distribute nice-looking CDs.  Is there any official CD cover art, or jewel case inserts?  Preferably an insert with instructions aimed at newbies.
[03:30] <BluesKaj> sdlnxgk, how's FF 2.0 ?
[03:31] <akrus> yep, found the problem :D
[03:31] <akrus> driver for 2.6.20-2, currently under 2.6.20-1
[03:33] <eMaX_> windwalker yes seen it. Thanks for the info. I've no more detailed documentation about the printing process, but I think there are quite a number of linux printing how2's around. These days people normally don't need them as everything works out of the box. mostly :-)
[03:34] <Windwalker> mostly :(
[03:35] <towync> hahaha i got the 6th highest score (7 points away from top score) in a class of 478 people
[03:35] <towync> to think i almost gave up studying for that test lol
[03:37] <akrus> symlink created, now trying :)
[03:37] <akrus> oh and btw
[03:37] <akrus> should I enable composite and/or AIGLX?
[03:37] <sdlnxgk> ok uninstalled FF  and reinstalled and works great now... go figure ;)
[03:37] <astronaute> hello
[03:37] <astronaute> is there 64 kubuntu for core 2 duo intel plz ?
[03:38] <astronaute> what to take here ?
[03:38] <astronaute> ftp://ftp.free.fr/mirrors/ftp.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/edgy/
[03:38] <akrus> kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
[03:38] <akrus> likely :)
[03:38] <akrus> true x86_64 is kubuntu-6.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[03:40] <astronaute> yes
[03:40] <astronaute> but
[03:40] <astronaute> amd
[03:40] <astronaute> it wont work on inte l ?
[03:42] <JuJuBee> Hello everybody.
[03:42] <akrus> now works lol
[03:43] <JuJuBee> I am a teacher and I use training videos from a site called onlineexpert.com.  These videos require Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player.  I really want to get rid of my windows box.  Can someone assist me with getting these videos to work on linux?
[03:44] <JuJuBee> I installed ie4linux.
[03:46] <vge> hi, someone can recommend a text program that i can display endoflines with?
[03:46] <BluesKaj> are you feeding the video by a video source or internet source , JuJuBee ?
[03:47] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj : internet source is feeding it.
[03:47] <akrus> woot!
[03:47] <akrus> nvidia is ten times better!
[03:47] <JuJuBee> The video plays in a browser via flash (I think).
[03:47] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, what browser ?
[03:48] <JuJuBee> Internet Explorer
[03:48] <vge> can i set kate to show endoflines?
[03:48] <JuJuBee> Doesn't work with firefox
[03:49] <BluesKaj> FF just needs the flash plugin ..look for it on the FFmozilla site
[03:49] <Jucato> !flashplugin-nonfree
[03:49] <Ubotwo> flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player plugin installer - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[03:49] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, you're running windows right now, right ?
[03:50] <JuJuBee> No, the flash movie starts to load and then while it is checking for windows media player it dies.  Tells me IE and WMP are required...
[03:50] <JuJuBee> Well, sort of.  I am on one box, but not the one I am using now...
[03:50] <malik__> JuJuBee: if you are using kde then it should work with konqueror, matter of fact i am watchin a traing video from the website in konqueror
[03:51] <JuJuBee> Hmmm. didn't try konqueror...let me try it...
[03:52] <BluesKaj> I think you need mplayer for windows source videos
[03:54] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[03:54] <vge> someone can help me to find a program that can show me endoflines in textfiles in linux?
[03:54] <j_> anyone know where the ur-quan masters content files are stored in ubuntu?
[03:55] <Windwalker> :) j_ did you run it under wine?
[03:58] <j_> nope, installed from Adept
[03:59] <daedra> Synaptic is bettererer
[03:59] <j_> I asked in the #sc2 channel and they suggested something
[03:59] <j_> I'll try it
[04:00] <j_> whats the diff between synaptic and adept?
[04:01] <BluesKaj> gui
[04:01] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj, didn't work.
[04:01] <TheGateKeeper> j_, adept is a bad attempt at reinventing a gui package manager
[04:01] <Windwalker> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=198349 ,-j_
[04:01] <JuJuBee> I installed mozilla-mplayer and the video still does not play.
[04:01] <Dr_willis> I tend to install synaptic right off also.
[04:01] <JuJuBee> Flash is working fine.
[04:01] <BluesKaj> The mplayer install , JuJuBee ?
[04:02] <Dr_willis> vge,  the fte editor i know can show  all kinds of <white spaces> like that.  other editors may have that feature as well
[04:03] <apokryphos> !msg| sadiq_
[04:03] <Ubotwo> sadiq_: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first.
[04:03] <j_> I concur that adept isn't that good but how is synaptic better?
[04:03] <BluesKaj> well good , mplayer doesn't play flash .. it plays windows & quicktime stuff
[04:03] <Dr_willis> interface is a little better laid out. and easier to get around in.. adept has some nice features that no one seems to use.
[04:03] <addyk2003> synaptic can find Gcc while Adept cant
[04:03] <Ash-Fox> mplayer plays .flv files though
[04:03] <addyk2003> *can't
[04:03] <BluesKaj> most sites are flash , JuJuBee
[04:03] <j_> Gcc?
[04:04] <Ash-Fox> try gcc
[04:04] <addyk2003> Gnu C/C++ Compiler
[04:04] <TheGateKeeper> j_, well it's more stable than adept, you can get to a terminal window if you need too for starters
[04:04] <Ash-Fox> Yeah, try gcc, not Gcc
[04:04] <addyk2003> That's what I meant :)
[04:04] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj, it looks like the flash movie actually plays the training video somehow. (Sorry for my ignorance).
[04:04] <addyk2003> I tried that...
[04:04] <addyk2003> It's just this thing I have with starting sentences with capitals
[04:04] <j_> adept runs a terminal windows of sorts when installing
[04:05] <j_> just click details when installing
[04:05] <TheGateKeeper> j_, try installing java with adept & see how far you get lol
[04:05] <Jucato> j_: that terminal can't handle the license agreements for java, flash, and vmware
[04:05] <j_> some packages want user input during installation
[04:05] <j_> I used Automatix for Java
[04:05] <daedra> would automatix do any good?
[04:05] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, flash is extremely popular right now ...it's the best qulity for the least bandwidth
[04:05] <addyk2003> Hmm it was grafical... :| And when I enterred the gcc at the find thingie it didn't find.
[04:05] <Jucato> !automatix
[04:05] <Ubotwo> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[04:05] <BluesKaj> err quality
[04:06] <j_> it does handle license agreements, at least the ones I've encountered
[04:06] <daedra> you might get autopwnds
[04:06] <Jucato> j_: I specifically mentioned those that don't work, which also happen to be some of the most popular packages
[04:06] <Jucato> (sans vmware)
[04:06] <j_> automatix keeps logs, automatix2 at least
[04:06] <BluesKaj> automarix is iffy
[04:07] <Dr_willis> automatix is very iffy.. :)
[04:07] <addyk2003> iffy?
[04:07] <BluesKaj> yeah , i learned my lesson with it
[04:07] <j_> yeah, automatix really is just a bunch of scripts that like failing
[04:07] <Dr_willis> and not needed much, its best to learn how to do things manually. so you dont have to be totally clueless when you ask in here for help.
[04:07] <j_> and don't mention that they failed either
[04:07] <Jucato> automatix may work or not, may break or not. the official word from the devs is that it is not officially supported. whether you believe them or not, is up to you
[04:08] <j_> I'm not totally clueless, I just like convenience
[04:08] <Dr_willis> Silly Linux Magazine I subscribe to mentions Automatix also... I bet they get a LOT of letters over that.
[04:08] <jfrench_> Hello, im a ubuntu user, and hate gnome atm, can some one please tell me what are the advantages of KDE! Thanks in advance
[04:08] <Dr_willis> I was able to write a script that does what i need on a clean install. :)
[04:08] <apokryphos> we've had quite a few broken systems from automatix. It's best avoided
[04:08] <addyk2003> I'm way behind... (o.O)
[04:08] <Jucato> automatix might become a bit useless in Feisty, as they have plans to really make installing stuff easier
[04:08] <Dr_willis> jfrench_,  get a live cd that has KDE and try it out.. thats the de-facto-test.
[04:08] <apokryphos> all the relevant info is in the FAQ and documentation
[04:08] <j_> KDE is more configurable they say
[04:08] <addyk2003> True :D
[04:09] <Dr_willis> KDE has more features then you can shake a shell script at.
[04:09] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:09] <Eyeless> :P
[04:09] <addyk2003> :))
[04:09] <j_> if you want to change, say the color of some part of your desktop in Gnome you have to edit text files for chris sake or get a new theme
[04:09] <daedra> that's true
[04:10] <daedra> i've got my desktop Macified right now
[04:10] <Dr_willis> Ewwwwwwww.
[04:10] <jfrench_> Gnome seems "customizable", but not configurable
[04:10] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:10] <daedra> and could do it all within the GUI
[04:10] <addyk2003> Would Gnome be more user friendly?
[04:10] <jfrench_> .....I guess
[04:10] <j_> the thing is, I always make some stupid changes in KDE and then forget what did I change
[04:10] <apokryphos> gnome isn't very customisable at all, really
[04:10] <apokryphos> since customisations are confusing ;-)
[04:10] <TheGateKeeper> installing stuff is really easy, the 'pain-in-the-ass' is removing packages & all 'unwanted' dependencies
[04:10] <Dr_willis> addyk2003,  if your definition of 'user friendly' = "locked down so you cant do things that may 'confuse' yourself'
[04:11] <j_> like now I have black text on black br in a part of the system settings menu
[04:11] <j_> no idea how I did that
[04:11] <addyk2003> Dr_willis :)) I just saw pics man... never used it :D
[04:11] <jfrench_> I while ago, i wanted to change the text colour in my gnome panels, this was a large task apparently, can this be done easyer in kde?
[04:12] <Dr_willis> I have both gnome and kde installed on this Ubuntu box.. so i let the wife use gnome.. and i use kde.
[04:12] <VSpike> This may seem like a silly question, but where is a good place to put shared data files in KDE?  I'm used to using something like /home/public, but I notice that in the KDE virtual filesystem, that's not immediately easy to get to.  I realise I can usualyl just type /home/public in the file browse box, but I'm wondering if there is a "proper" place to put them
[04:12] <JuJuBee> BluesKaj, when I view source of the window the movie plays in, I see a check for flash and wmp.
[04:12] <malik__> hi guyz .......can any suggest better option between the two media players namely amarok and juk?
[04:12] <Dr_willis> VSpike,  to share on the network with windows machines, you could make a 'public' samba share...  i guess. :)
[04:12] <Eyeless> jfrench_: that should be pretty trivial
[04:13] <Eyeless> in fact it is trivial in kde
[04:13] <VSpike> Dr_willis: I'm talking about within one machine, rather than across a network.  Files for all users to access.
[04:13] <j_> malik__, I like Amarok
[04:14] <Dr_willis> VSpike,   each user could have a dir in their home that is 'world readable' i guess.. not so sure on the world writeable bit. :)
[04:14] <jfrench_> Well, I do recall long conversations about how to change the text colour, and unless the person i was talking about it to didnt actualy know anything. it is a large task
[04:14] <zigovr> hi all, when installing the partition manager at the installation, if I tell it to resize an ntfs partition, does it actually use ntfsresize , or does it just modify the partition table without resizing the data?
[04:14] <Dr_willis> that may be what groups are all about.. on my home lan. never messed with that stuff much.
[04:14] <VSpike> It's a matter of style more than anything I suppose, because really they could go anywhere, but it's good to go with an accepted convention, if one exists
[04:14] <j_> I usually run it minized and use the global shortcuts to switch between songs
[04:14] <malik__> yes im using it atm but its bit slow..........had to try alotta things to make it add my collection in it........i wonder if that wud be easy in juk
[04:14] <VSpike> Like Windows having its "All users", "Shared Documents", "Shared Pictures" folders
[04:15] <Dr_willis> VSpike,  that is in no wai a 'accepted onvention' :)
[04:15] <Dr_willis> some consider it a intrusion.  heh heh.
[04:15] <VSpike> Dr_willis: I know that lots of peple don't use them, but I did :)
[04:15] <Dr_willis> Read up on file permissions. what you are wanting to do can be done with proper permissions. i am guessing.. dependong on exactly what you want to do.
[04:16] <Eyeless> jfrench_: changing the colors on things (menus, textfields, etc) takes about 4 clicks
[04:17] <VSpike> Dr_willis, I've already done it in /home/public by doing "sudo chown -R .users /home/public" "sudo chmod -R g+rw /home/public"
[04:18] <sredna> Hi
[04:19] <jfrench_> Eyeless: This makes me happy to here, I have previously stayed away from KDE, because it reminded me to much of my windows 95 days, but Ive seen seen shots that suggest differently. Ill give it a whirl
[04:19] <sredna> Anyone know if there will be digikam 0.9 packages for edgy?
[04:20] <Dr_willis> jfrench_,  egads it has a 'start button' ! Oh the Humanity! The Tradegy! :)
[04:20] <Jucato> sredna: maybe the guys in #kubuntu-devel would know. heard some of them talking about it a while ago...
[04:20] <sredna> Jucato: Thanks, and hi :)
[04:21] <Jucato> sredna: hehe hello! (and thanks again for that very helpful kate applet :) )
[04:21] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee, in the address box type: about:plugins ...there you'll see what browser plugins are listed and enabled , this may help with finding the right players for differnt sites
[04:21] <b_> salll
[04:22] <j_> amarok needs a "add whole collection to playlist" button
[04:22] <j_> or "play whole collection"
[04:23] <apokryphos> j_: playlist -- smart playlist -- collection -- all collection
[04:23] <j_> I mean it's accessible under Smart playlists
[04:23] <j_> I know
[04:23] <j_> thats just too many cliks
[04:23] <ruzle> how do I get full acsess to my "windows" partitions? I want to copy stuff in to them..
[04:23] <apokryphos> personally I would like a dynamic all collection list
[04:24] <Eyeless> j_: 1 click, and one dragndrop is to much?
[04:25] <j_> ruzle, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_mount_Windows_partitions_.28NTFS.29_on_boot-up.2C_and_allow_users_read_and_write_access
[04:25] <j_> dragndrop?
[04:25] <ruzle> thanks
[04:26] <j_> Eyeless, what happens is I play some random file that clears my playlist
[04:26] <j_> thenI click the amarok button in the tray
[04:26] <ruzle> Gonna install windows again, tryed to burn cds for a week :S So sick and tired of all the crap that dont work.
[04:26] <j_> then I click PL
[04:27] <j_> then I click Playlist
[04:27] <j_> the Smart playlists
[04:27] <j_> then I double click All collection
[04:27] <j_> all because I didn't right click and use Append & play like I should have
[04:28] <j_> and the builtin player in konqueror failed
[04:30] <j_> but it's often that good organization and usability do not meet
[04:30] <j_> I mean logically the All collection button is where it should be
[04:30] <j_> it's just not very easy to get to it
[04:31] <j_> what would be lovely is if I could just right click the Amarok icon and click play whole collection
[04:31] <tajbert> hi all
[04:32] <Eyeless> j_: well, theres always juk, if you prefer the one huge playlist aproach. Amarok is great once you get a huge collection of music tho
[04:32] <kristopher> question:  how do i tell which module/driver my wifi card is using.
[04:32] <Eyeless> the "smart" playlists and so on are wonderful :P
[04:33] <j_> I like the global shortcuts and that things that appears when the song changes so much I don't think I'll switch
[04:33] <apokryphos> it'd just be useful if there was a dynamic collection playlist
[04:33] <apokryphos> since I always want my whole collection in the playlist
[04:33] <tajbert> can anyone tell me how to set up mt compaq ij650 on unubtu
[04:34] <daedra> amaroK is Last.FM compatible ^_^
[04:35] <j_> what is Last.FM anyway?
[04:35] <daedra> http://last.gm
[04:35] <daedra> oops
[04:35] <daedra> http://last.fm
[04:36] <daedra> its a website which recommends artists based on your playlist
[04:36] <j_> ahh
[04:36] <j_> I once though about starting a website bit like that
[04:36] <daedra> big database ;)
[04:36] <j_> then Pandora came and I didn't need to
[04:37] <kristopher> bah.  you leave linux for a couple years and all the sudden theres a device mapper and ndiswrapper.  I want to kinfe myself.
[04:37] <kristopher> why does stuff have to advance.
[04:37] <daedra> yes ndiswrapper is a necessary evil
[04:38] <j_> seems like people like mopey music
[04:38] <daedra> mopey?
[04:38] <j_> fricken coldplay
[04:39] <j_> not sure if it's a word
[04:39] <j_> whiny
[04:39] <j_> emo
[04:39] <kristopher> hold on, is this wrapper self sufficient? or do i have to grab the drivers for the card as well?
[04:39] <daedra> this isn't kubuntu talk,,,
[04:39] <j_> just commented on the last.fm top artists
[04:40] <daedra> prog rock gets pretty high on last.fm
[04:40] <daedra> that's not mopey
[04:40] <joerg_> Hi everybody
[04:40] <Eyeless> j_: eveyone listen to indie-pop atm it seems :P
[04:40] <j_> Eyeless, so it seems
[04:40] <ace> Hi all
[04:41] <ace> should i go for beryl or compiz?
[04:44] <kristopher> hold on, if ndiswrapper isn't appearing in 'lsmod' does this mean its in the effin kernel.  Secondly, why dont i have an /etc/ndis..
[04:45] <murchadh_bhaba> __Ace2016, Depends on what works on your hardware I think. Graphics Chipset you are using?
[04:45] <__Ace2016> murchadh_bhaba:  nvidia fx5200
[04:46] <BluesKaj> is there plugins file for Konq browser ?
[04:47] <__Ace2016> BluesKaj: i'm not sure but #kde might give you the best answer
[04:48] <BluesKaj> I'd like Konqueror to have the same capabilities as FF , like flash 9 , mplayer plugins etc
[04:48] <kristopher> it does.
[04:49] <Jucato> Konqi can do Flash 9, and there's an embedded mplayer for Konqi available, afaik
[04:49] <__Ace2016> i thought konqueror couldn't use flash9
[04:49] <__Ace2016> i know it can use kmplayer to play media files very well
[04:49] <Jucato> well, I'm using flash 9...
[04:49] <__Ace2016> Jucato: How did you install it?
[04:49] <kristopher> automatix maybe? who knows.  it just works for me.
[04:49] <BluesKaj> yeah iam too in FF , Jucato...just not in Konq
[04:49] <murchadh_bhaba> BluesKaj, Haven't gotten to flash 9 yet, but 7 worked flawlessly in konqueror!
[04:50] <j_> would anyone know of a way to automatically read lines from a text file and send them to an application?
[04:50] <Jucato> !flash9 | __Ace2016
[04:50] <Ubotwo> __Ace2016: flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[04:50] <BluesKaj> flash 9 werks well in FF
[04:50] <__Ace2016> Jucato: Thanks
[04:52] <Jucato> !kmplayer-konq-plugins | BluesKaj
[04:52] <Ubotwo> kmplayer-konq-plugins - KMPlayer plugin for KHTML/Konqueror - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[04:53] <BluesKaj> Jucato, looking for a way to get Flash 9 plugged into Konq
[04:53] <Jucato> BluesKaj: did you install Flash 7 from the repositories?
[04:53] <BluesKaj> already have mplayer working
[04:54] <Jucato> this is for Konqueror
[04:54] <BluesKaj> I have flash 9 working in FF , id just like it to work in Konq
[04:54] <Jucato> BluesKaj: where is the flash 9 plugin (.so file) stored?
[04:55] <BluesKaj> I have it in home and the FFplugins
[04:56] <Jucato> exact location?
[04:56] <Jucato> because you might need that to manually add the plugin to Konqueror
[04:56] <BluesKaj> I have it copied , I just need a place in Konq to paste it
[04:57] <Jucato> Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Plugins. click on New, then in the text field, type in the location of the Flash 9 libflashplayer.so plugin.
[04:57] <Jucato> click on Apply, then Scan for new plugins
[04:58] <Jucato> once you're done, type "about:plugins" in Konqueror and check the flash version
[05:00] <vado> Bonsoir
[05:00] <Jucato> BluesKaj: did it work?
[05:02] <astronaute> ./bin/sh: can't access ttty, job control turned off
[05:02] <astronaute> what is this error on install plz ?
[05:02] <j_> Eyeless, i'm not registered so I can't pm you
[05:03] <Eyeless> k
[05:03] <Eyeless> well, was it what you where after?
[05:03] <llutz> Hi
[05:03] <j_> ahh, ok
[05:03] <j_> I'll see
[05:03] <Eyeless> you can use grep to filter the lines
[05:04] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: If flash is working in ff, just "scan for new plugins" in konq/configure/plugins.
[05:04] <jhutchins> (I updated to flash 9 yesterday, works fine.)
[05:04] <Jucato> jhutchins: oh yeah... forgot that... :(
[05:05] <Jucato> anyway... off to bed :P
[05:07] <j_> the file is already cleaned
[05:07] <j_> didn't work now at least, app crashed
[05:08] <VSpike> are there any other apps similar to k9copy?
[05:08] <BluesKaj> thx gents both Flash 7 and 9 are listed in Konq , should i remove 7 ?
[05:10] <j_> hmm, I can always boot to windows and handle this one from there, I at least know how to script it
[05:10] <j_> anyway, gotta run, bye all
[05:11] <Eyeless> cu
[05:12] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: That's kinda wierd, it means you have the libflash.so file in two locations.
[05:13] <towync> does anyone know how i can make the bottom pannel bar into a mac like tool bar at bottom of screen? thx
[05:13] <jhutchins> I would check where konq says the file is, and consolidate to a single location with symlinks. (That's how my distro does it.)
[05:13] <BluesKaj> yes i do , one is in home folder
[05:14] <BluesKaj> not familiar with symlinks
[05:14] <jhutchins> I prefer a centralized configuration and software installation to a per-user setup.
[05:14] <jhutchins> google symlink.  ln -s /real/file/location /desired/target/location/
[05:15] <jhutchins> ls -l will show you the link.
[05:15] <jhutchins> locate libflash | xargs ls -l will show you if you already have a single file symlinked to multiple locations.
[05:27] <ivaldi> How do you set Kopete to open chats in tabs instead of separate windows? I use kopete in Gnome btw.
[05:32] <BluesKaj> jhutchins , i still have both Flash 9 & 7 listed in the "about plugins " list and Konq still wont play the yahoo videos such as this one :
[05:32] <BluesKaj> http://ca.video.yahoo.com/video/play?p=Larry+the+Cable+Guy&dtk-searchsubmit_x=0&dtk-searchsubmit_y=0&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8&b=0&oid=c58f48ea73f84f1a&rurl=www.ifilm.com&vdone=http%3A%2F%2Fca.video.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fvideo%3Fp%3DLarry%2Bthe%2BCable%2BGuy%26dtk-searchsubmit_x%3D0%26dtk-searchsubmit_y%3D0%26toggle%3D1%26cop%3D%26ei%3DUTF-8
[05:33] <BluesKaj> oops , shoulda used tiny url
[05:33] <z3R0> hey :) i want to install nvidia 3D drivers but theyre not working :(
[05:34] <z3R0> everytime i try to install them i get an error message saying i got wrong version of some kernel things
[05:34] <fleebailey33> all i here in this chan is goddamn video drivers
[05:35] <fleebailey33> #videodrivers
[05:35] <fleebailey33> lol
[05:35] <z3R0> :o
[05:36] <fleebailey33> my kubuntu hangs at startup
[05:36] <z3R0> is DVI working with the nvidia drivers?
[05:37] <fleebailey33> wait now
[05:37] <fleebailey33> .....
[05:37] <fleebailey33> its just keeps printing grub loading
[05:40] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: No great loss, but it works fine here.
[05:41] <towync> does anyone know how i can make kubuntu look like mac?
[05:41] <fleebailey33> it gives you the options when you first load it or upgrade it
[05:41] <jhutchins> fleebailey33: Too bad kubuntu doesn't actually implement meaningful runlevels.  Try booting to rescue mode.
[05:41] <fleebailey33> nope
[05:41] <fleebailey33> it hangs at checking file systems
[05:42] <jhutchins> towync: Check out themes.
[05:42] <fleebailey33> and even at fsck on 30
[05:42] <jhutchins> fleebailey33: Sounds like you might have a corrupted disk.
[05:42] <fleebailey33> well it boots sometimes
[05:42] <fleebailey33> well windows is on it
[05:42] <fleebailey33> =)
[05:43] <towync> !themes
[05:43] <Ubotwo> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[05:45] <fleebailey33> jhutchins sync on disk?
[05:45] <fleebailey33> be slow
[05:46] <fleebailey33> or how do i fix it?
[05:46] <ktstzo> hello Gentlemans, can any one give me a hand configuring a network printer??
[05:48] <snowrichard> I'm getting the DVD of amd-64 Edgy now, I liked the x86 one on my other machine.
[06:00] <jhutchins> fleebailey33: Well, boot to something like a CD, then run fsck.  You might find it easier to just reformat/reinstall.
[06:00] <BigIron> Good morning
[06:00] <_kuja_> 'morning
[06:01] <fleebailey33> fs-driver.org
[06:01] <fleebailey33> hmm
[06:01] <fleebailey33> pretty neet
[06:02] <BigIron> I need to know how to resize my windows by clicking and dragging ,right now when I click and try to drag I get a pop-up menu.
[06:04] <BigIron> I reset everything to defalt after making a mess of things.
[06:04] <munelec> hola
[06:04] <jhutchins> BigIron: If you position your cursor on the border of the window, it should turn into a double-headed arrow; clicking and dragging should resize then.
[06:04] <munelec> alguien de chile
[06:05] <BigIron> All I get is a menu to resize, move ect.
[06:05] <BigIron> I do get the arrows.
[06:06] <BigIron> To move I have to hold ALT+left mouse button.
[06:06] <yelonek> !amarok
[06:06] <Ubotwo> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.4 for Edgy and packages are available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org
[06:06] <yelonek> !kaffeine
[06:06] <Ubotwo> kaffeine - versatile media player for KDE 3 - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[06:08] <yelonek> hi, what is Amarok for ? it looks like multimedia player that doesn't play anything
[06:09] <ibert> yelonek: amarok is a audio player. for podcasts, mp3, internetradio etc.
[06:09] <ibert> yelonek: a fine thing :-)
[06:09] <leon> @<yelonek> you need some extra packages for mp3
[06:09] <ibert> yelonek: you need to install mp3 codecs
[06:09] <_JP> hmm, why is there no valgrind-callgrind package for edgy? but for dapper there seems to be
[06:10] <yelonek> where from ?
[06:10] <yelonek> or w8
[06:10] <yelonek> i'll try to find it myself ;p
[06:11] <TheGateKeeper> yelonek, install libxine-extracodecs, then fire up amarok & ensure that is using the xine engine
[06:11] <_JP> yelonek: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[06:12] <yelonek> !libxine-extracodecs
[06:12] <Ubotwo> libxine-extracodecs - the xine video/media player library, binary files - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[06:13] <TheGateKeeper> yelonek, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy
[06:13] <yelonek> yeah, i found these pages
[06:14] <yelonek> however i don't understand what i have to do
[06:14] <yelonek> started Adept Manager
[06:14] <lsproc> I want to use Kubuntu Edgy, but I have heard some bad things about the desktop CD, shall I use that or the old style one?
[06:14] <yelonek> search for libxine
[06:14] <yelonek> in which repository is that ?
[06:15] <leon> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[06:15] <leon> in multiverse as far as i remember
[06:15] <fleebailey33> lsproc, you can get an alternative install
[06:15] <lsproc> fleebailey33, is that one better?
[06:15] <fleebailey33> more options
[06:15] <fleebailey33> no live boot
[06:15] <shadowhywind> hay all, i hate asking easy questions, But if i wanted to add a harddrive to mount on boot, I would add that to fstab correct?
[06:16] <lsproc> fleebailey33, ok, just I have heard things that sometimes the live cd can blow up their partition table etc.
[06:17] <fleebailey33> its lets you partions manually nice
[06:17] <fleebailey33> its text though
[06:17] <fleebailey33> be warned
[06:17] <fleebailey33> i did it because i wanted to install a dual boot system
[06:17] <fleebailey33> and it also allows you to install grub in other places
[06:17] <fleebailey33> plus other things
[06:18] <murchadh_bhaba> shadowhywind, Yep!
[06:18] <lsproc> fleebailey33, I have used Ubuntu since 5.04, I think I can use it, thanks :)
[06:18] <fleebailey33> =)
[06:19] <shadowhywind> so my line would be /dev/hdb1   /media/nayru vfat rw,umask=000     0   0 right?
[06:20] <kdw> /leave #kubuntu
[06:21] <|gatsby|> Kubuntu edgy install hangs for me at "setting up interprocess communication".
[06:21] <JohnFlux> shadowhywind: looks fine to me
[06:21] <shadowhywind> thanks
[06:21] <murchadh_bhaba> shadowhywind, If you've a fat32 partition on device /dev/hdb1 (partition 2, IDE drive 2) and the directory /media/nayru exists and is empty.
[06:21] <JohnFlux> shadowhywind: assuming you don't want it to auto fsck
[06:21] <verzonnen> does ay one know what the correct syntax is to block certain site from using java/javascript in konqeror?
[06:21] <|gatsby|> This is an AMD 64 1800 XP+ with 2GB ram.
[06:21] <|gatsby|> any ideas?
[06:21] <verzonnen> any one
[06:21] <JohnFlux> shadowhywind: although isn't /media supposed to be for automounted stuff?
[06:22] <JohnFlux> shadowhywind: and you should use /mnt instead?  I get confused
[06:22] <|gatsby|> Google seems to hint at problems with arts.. but that appears to be an age old issue.
[06:22] <shadowhywind> I am trying to get it to automount on boot
[06:23] <verzonnen> secodnly how to use vlc on wmv files in konqeror?
[06:23] <eMaX> re
[06:24] <JohnFlux> shadowhywind: well it's fine anyway
[06:24] <JohnFlux> !mp3 to verzonnen
[06:24] <Ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[06:24] <fleebailey33> how do you do auto fsck?
[06:24] <JohnFlux> !mp3
[06:24] <Ubotwo> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:24] <shadowhywind> thanks for all the help
[06:24] <JohnFlux> verzonnen: ^^
[06:25] <yelonek> i'm just curious
[06:25] <verzonnen> JohnFlux: I have changed the file associations in konqueror, yet it continues to open in kmplayer
[06:25] <yelonek> how do i install codecs with graphical interface ?
[06:26] <JohnFlux> verzonnen: oh, well double check that you did that correctly :-)  it should be okay
[06:26] <JohnFlux> yelonek: see what Ubotwo said
[06:27] <verzonnen> JohnFlux: I know I did not do it correctly, else konqeror would be using vlc
[06:28] <JohnFlux> verzonnen: check that vlc is at the top of the list
[06:28] <verzonnen> And I did double check
[06:28] <verzonnen> It is!
[06:29] <verzonnen> oh well I'll google around and look some more in the konqueror documentation
[06:29] <JohnFlux> verzonnen: in the embedding tab it should have the "use seperate viewer"
[06:29] <addyk2003> Hello! Does anyone know how could I set more drivers to digiKam? :)
[06:29] <addyk2003> For a webcam
[06:29] <verzonnen> JohnFlux: ok I;ll check
[06:30] <JohnFlux> addyk2003: if your webcam isn't supported by default, there's a good chance that there just aren't drivers for it
[06:30] <JohnFlux> addyk2003: since all the drivers available for all hardware are shipped with kubuntu
[06:30] <addyk2003> JohnFlux, Kopete found a driver that isn't the real one but worked.
[06:30] <JohnFlux> oh
[06:30] <JohnFlux> hmm i don't know sorry
[06:31] <addyk2003> Thanks :D
[06:31] <addyk2003> That was the dillema... I had felt that I'd never see the webcam work (I had slackware before) but I wanted to try Kubuntu and ... it worked :)
[06:32] <JohnFlux> addyk2003: maybe ask in #kopete ?
[06:32] <addyk2003> (o.O) Good Idea...  Stupid me :)
[06:33] <addyk2003> JohnFlux, btw Thanks
[06:33] <verzonnen> JohnFlux: in embedding I do not have VLC as a service listed nor do I see a way to add it.....
[06:34] <JohnFlux> verzonnen: select "open in seperate viewer" then in the first tab make sure vlc is on the list and at the top
[06:35] <dominik_> ok
[06:35] <addyk2003> Hmm, noone talks there... :| They might be using Kopete to Komunicate :)
[06:36] <murchadh_bhaba> addyk2003, hehe
[06:36] <addyk2003> :D
[06:41] <verzonnen> JohnFlux: did not work, but I have to go now, I will play with it later
[06:41] <verzonnen> JohnFlux: Thanks for your help though, i think I am on the rigth track now
[06:46] <ubuntu> This is my first irc chat ever, can you hear me?
[06:46] <S3r_K3kko> salve
[06:46] <S3r_K3kko> ki mi da una mano??
[06:46] <zorglu_> ubuntu: yes
[06:46] <zorglu_> !it | S3r_K3kko
[06:46] <Ubotwo> S3r_K3kko: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:46] <S3r_K3kko> I use kubuntu 5.10
[06:46] <B-Minus> hello
[06:46] <B-Minus> does anyone know a good FTP client except Kftp ?
[06:47] <dromer> hmmm, I installed and set up a screensaver, I can test the screensaver and it works, but after the time it's supposed to begin (2min) I just get a black screen (and one time I had a giant pale X)
[06:47] <zorglu_> !ftp | B-Minus
[06:47] <Ubotwo> B-Minus: FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[06:48] <ubuntu> OK, i should ask this on the grub irc, but dont kow how: i have accidentally hidden hd0,0 but now i cannot unhide it, using grub nor qtparted
[06:48] <dromer> < ubuntu> This is my first irc chat ever, can you hear me? << yup :)
[06:49] <zorglu_> ubuntu: what do you mean by "hidden" ?
[06:49] <zorglu_> ubuntu: this seems to be a partition.. how can you "hide" it ?
[06:49] <ubuntu> in grub: hide (hd0,1)
[06:49] <zorglu_> ubuntu: ah ok i didnt knew this command
[06:50] <penguin> ubuntu: grub> unhide (hd0,0)
[06:50] <zorglu_> ubuntu: ok and if you remove this command the partition doesnt come back ?
[06:50] <zorglu_> wow a lot of new command :)
[06:50] <VSpike> OK, using DVDShrink on Windows running in VMWare reading and writing to a Samba volume is not the most efficient way of recoding video
[06:50] <cloakable> :P
[06:50] <VSpike> Everything is going very s...l...o.....w
[06:50] <zorglu_> ubuntu: penguin: what is the purpose of hiding/unhiding a partition ?
[06:51] <ubuntu> i accidentally made my kubuntu unbootable by uninstalling apache so i thought i'd make de pc boot the other OS by hiding the first partition
[06:51] <dromer> VSpike: isn't there an easier (linux)  way to do it? :P
[06:51] <penguin> zorglu_: in short, to keep mickeysoft happy
[06:52] <dromer> ubuntu: can't you boot in other os _using_ grub ?
[06:52] <ubuntu> zorglu: i just typed it in the grub commandline, its not in mu grubmenu
[06:52] <zorglu_> penguin: ok
[06:52] <zorglu_> ubuntu: ok
[06:52] <The_Machine> i have stuff that starts at startup that I don't want (mail notification being one of them - evolution) and they don't exist in ~/.kde/Autostart
[06:52] <dromer> ubuntu: that's the whole point of grub
[06:52] <VSpike> dromer: that's what I was hoping.  But k9copy doesn't seem to work for me, and I'm not sure if xdvdshrink will either
[06:52] <The_Machine> little help?
[06:52] <dromer> VSpike: I don't know any good apps sorry
[06:52] <penguin> zorglu_: if you tell me how to post a link, i can point to the relevant section of the grub manual
[06:53] <VSpike> dromer: I'm sure I can string together some command-line tools to do it, but I'd need to edumacate myself a lot about dvd and video first
[06:53] <zorglu_> penguin: post a link ? like cut/past ? :)
[06:53] <ubuntu> dromer: by trying to make grub go to OS nr 2 (hiding OS 1) I made grub itself unbootable aswell
[06:53] <dromer> so, I'm still having trouble getting the screensaver to work, I read something about nvidia energysaving option, where can I disable this ?
[06:53] <dromer> ubuntu: you shouldn't have done that then :P
[06:53] <zorglu_> !test
[06:53] <Ubotwo> Failed.
[06:53] <ubuntu> dromer: yea i know...
[06:53] <penguin> zorglu_: o.k. then, here we go ... http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/DOS-Windows.html
[06:54] <dromer> ubuntu: the whole point of grub is that you can boot different os' without 'hiding' them
[06:54] <VSpike> dromer: np thanks for listening.  When I have time I want to look for a good linux solution but for right now I had to fall back on my click 'n' drool app
[06:54] <notech> VSpike: there is a xdvdshrink tar.gz on their site
[06:54] <dromer> VSpike: haha
[06:54] <zorglu_> penguin: thanks
[06:54] <zorglu_> wow i dunno what happend to the bot, but this one is weird :)
[06:54] <dromer> haha, what then? :P
[06:54] <SlimG> anyone know howto start kmail minimized in the tray without the whole window popping up everytime it starts?
[06:55] <ubuntu> dromer: I know the point of grub, but since this is a famely-pc i wanted to make it easy for the rest
[06:55] <VSpike> notech: I have installed it, but I can't figure out from a quick look if it will even do what i need.  I have a whole load of DVD9's ripped to my drive.  I want to recode them to fit standard single layer discs and burn them off to disc.
[06:55] <dromer> ubuntu: what is easier than to select which os you want to boot ?
[06:55] <ubuntu> penguin: hanks, i've read the manual, and googled a bit, but unhide (hd,01) should work but doesn't
[06:56] <hatta> the point of grub is to confuse and annoy lilo users
[06:56] <dromer> haha
[06:56] <ubuntu> dromer: my mates are digibetes
[06:57] <penguin> ubuntu: maybe you should post your </boot/grub/menu.lst> (as a whole) to the Kubuntu forum then  ...
[06:57] <BluesKaj> VSpike, devede will do , not sure about k9copy, it might as well
[06:58] <ubuntu> penguin: my menu.lst has not changed, i just typed a command at the grub command line
[06:59] <BluesKaj> VSpike, there is an open source version of DVDShrink floating around but it;s buggy in Linux, from the reports i've heard .
[06:59] <penguin> ubuntu: in this case, the reversion command should work the same way the original one did (?)
[07:00] <dromer> this resembles my problem I think, but I'm no0t sure what to do *and if this is the way to do it) In KDE 3.5.3 the screensavers are broken. They just don't kick in after the designated time. This is a known bug in the kdesktop package and has been fixed in the KDE source. For details see http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128610
[07:00] <ubuntu> I know, but it doesn't, and going to qtparted with a live cd doesn' help either
[07:00] <dromer> from: http://megaflexdestiny.net/bits/kde353screensaverfix/
[07:01] <NeonLightning> um how do i get k3b to burn a audio cd out of mp3's i've installed libk3bmp3
[07:01] <ubuntu> I ghave to go now, I will find out how to go to the grub irc later,
[07:01] <ubuntu> THANKS anyway
[07:01] <yelonek> how come *.deb opens with Kate when I download it with Konqueror ?
[07:02] <VSpike> BluesKaj: Thanks for the pointers
[07:02] <BluesKaj> NP VSpike :)
[07:02] <B-Minus> does anyone know the ftp command to delete a dir with all subdirs ?
[07:02] <VSpike> It looks like k9copy *should* do what I want, but it just seems buggy
[07:02] <tzbishop> Hey. I am a Slackware user (1.5 year) but we're in 21th century and I would like to get a better distro. I am a KDE lover. How can I know if my hardware is supported ?
[07:03] <VSpike> B-Minus: if you use ncftp it will make stuff like that a lot easier
[07:03] <B-Minus> ok tnx
[07:04] <penguin> ubuntu: you may also give the console tool <parted> a try ... good luck ;-)
[07:07] <yelonek> okay guys, the mp3 problem
[07:07] <yelonek> i'm too dumb for that
[07:07] <yelonek> after i failed to do it with interface
[07:07] <yelonek> (i don't know how to add multiverse repo to adept manager)
[07:08] <zorglu_> !repository
[07:08] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:08] <zorglu_> this is explain in there
[07:08] <yelonek> i opened bash and did sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[07:08] <zblach> hey all. could someone give me a hand with sound on a laptop?
[07:08] <yelonek> it failed, so i did the same but with kdesu instead of sudo
[07:08] <ijacek> !cz
[07:08] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[07:08] <yelonek> still *failed*
[07:08] <zorglu_> yelonek: :) have you read  The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu ?
[07:10] <zblach> i've had many issues with my sound before, but now i'm lost
[07:11] <zorglu_> !sound | zblach
[07:11] <ubotu> zblach: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:11] <zorglu_> zblach: have you tried this page ?
[07:11] <zblach> zorglu_: first i've seen of it
[07:11] <zorglu_> zblach: try it then :) it may help
[07:12] <zblach> many thanks
[07:12] <zblach> if not, i'll still be here
[07:12] <tzbishop> Does Kubuntu automount devices? (DVD, pendrives, etc)
[07:12] <llutz> tzbishop: it asks
[07:13] <cloakable> Yup
[07:13] <B-Minus> VSpike: i get this
[07:13] <B-Minus> ncftp ...rwasallesbeter/wwwroot > rmdir slashfiles/
[07:13] <B-Minus> rmdir slashfiles/: server said: slashfiles/: The directory is not empty.
[07:15] <tzbishop> Should I download the dvd or the CD?
[07:16] <tzbishop> (desktop use, 512mb RAM. KDE with the basic. Good internet connection)
[07:16] <zorglu_> B-Minus: on unix, a directory has to be empty before you can delete it. so first remove the files inside it and then delete the direcotry
[07:16] <[GuS] > Re
[07:16] <zorglu_> tzbishop: up to you to see
[07:16] <B-Minus> zorglu_: thats not true when i use rmdir -R
[07:16] <llutz> tzbishop: use cd and install additional stuff online
[07:16] <zorglu_> tzbishop: most people use the CD tho
[07:17] <tzbishop> zorglu_, the dvd includes additional packages if I'd like to install later, right?
[07:17] <zorglu_> B-Minus: well rmdir -R does what i just said, aka it first remove all the file inside and then remove the dir :)
[07:17] <B-Minus> zorglu_: yes but i am connected with FTP to a windows ftp using ncftp
[07:17] <zorglu_> tzbishop: yep, the dvd is full of pacakge, so like 6 time more data that on the cd, but all is available from the internet
[07:18] <zorglu_> tzbishop: so it is up to you to see :)
[07:18] <zorglu_> B-Minus: so ? i dont understand the issue you meet
[07:18] <tzbishop> zorglu_, 2% of the CD. I have a good net connection, let's give (K)ubuntu a chance
[07:18] <zorglu_> tzbishop: ok :)
[07:19] <B-Minus> zorglu_: i am connected to an ftp, there is a dir with 4680 subdirs with subdirs in each subdir, i want to use 1 command to remove the damn dir
[07:20] <B-Minus> and rmdir -R doesnt work
[07:20] <B-Minus> cause its ftp
[07:20] <B-Minus> and i cannot go inside each dir and delete each file as you suggested cause then its 2009 when im finished
[07:21] <zorglu_> tzbishop: i can dowload the cd in 15min, beat me :)
[07:21] <zorglu_> B-Minus: ah ok if the server doesnt support rmdir -r, you can try to find a client supporting it
[07:21] <helge> I have Edgy and I have problems installing kdenlive, is it possible at all?
[07:21] <tzbishop> zorglu_, oh my god! 15 minutes??? Which connection in which country?
[07:22] <B-Minus> zorglu_: yes i tried 3 graphical clients already but they all crash cause they dont seem to be able to handle that much
[07:22] <zorglu_> tzbishop: 1mbyte/s in download :)
[07:22] <zorglu_> B-Minus: hmm maybe lftp is able to handle that
[07:22] <zorglu_> !info lftp
[07:22] <ubotu> lftp: Sophisticated command-line FTP/HTTP client programs. In component main, is optional. Version 3.5.0-1 (edgy), package size 349 kB, installed size 1364 kB
[07:23] <B-Minus> ok tn
[07:23] <B-Minus> x
[07:23] <tzbishop> WoW. I am downloading at 260kbps. 45 min ETA.
[07:25] <coreymon77> hey guys
[07:25] <j03> yo
[07:25] <coreymon77> im getting good at this
[07:25] <tzbishop> I don't like sudo. Is there a way to use root on (k)ubuntu?
[07:25] <j03> :D
[07:25] <LjL> tzbishop: what don't you like about sudo?
[07:26] <coreymon77> two converts in one week
[07:26] <coreymon77> :D
[07:26] <coreymon77> tzbishop: sudo -s gives you the same functionality as root
[07:26] <j03> Type SU, and you will be root-i-fied, so you dont have to type sudo infront of every root command,
[07:26] <tzbishop> LjL, sometimes I like to have the power of being root. I have never used sudo decently, I like to work with 2 passwords. I am used to 'su'....
[07:26] <coreymon77> tzbishop: sudo -s gives you the same functionality as root
[07:27] <LjL> tzbishop, you can get the "power of root" using sudo -i or sudo -s quite fine
[07:27] <tzbishop> coreymon77, with a prompt command etc?
[07:27] <coreymon77> yup
[07:27] <coreymon77> terminal command
[07:27] <Narada> guys apt-get is giving me this error; any idea; http://rafb.net/paste/results/LP9Gwh87.html
[07:27] <coreymon77> sudo -s
[07:27] <coreymon77> anywho
[07:27] <coreymon77> i gtg
[07:27] <coreymon77> bye guys
[07:27] <LjL> !sudo
[07:27] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:27] <tzbishop> I would like to set another password for root too....(i think it's more secure).
[07:28] <LjL> tzbishop: no, it's not really more secure, as long as you type that password while you're logged in from an unprivileged user
[07:28] <yelonek> thank you zorglu_, it's working !
[07:28] <LjL> tzbishop: if someone is eavesdropping on that (keylogger, whatever), they'll be able to get the password anyway
[07:28] <zorglu_> yelonek: cool :)
[07:28] <yelonek> turned quite simple actually :>
[07:29] <yelonek> if i didn't start with bash
[07:29] <tzbishop> But, then, every user will have root privileges? What about the security on ssh?
[07:29] <LjL> tzbishop: of course not!
[07:30] <LjL> tzbishop: only users who are member of the "admin" group can get root. it's not a single user system!
[07:30] <LjL> tzbishop: at any rate if you really want to have a separate password, just look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NlRootSudo#head-548d1ac131a446b9122d4207b91263598cbd3f44
[07:30] <LjL> "Let sudo ask for the root password"
[07:30] <tzbishop> But someone has told me that using root/admin/user with privileged access is a bit insecure. Is that true?
[07:31] <tzbishop> LjL, thanks. It's better me to know the facts before being opinionated
[07:32] <LjL> tzbishop: the user that's created during installation is made part of the "admin" group by default (otherwise you wouldn't be able to use root) - but further users that you create are not made admins by default
[07:33] <tzbishop> fine...
[07:34] <zblach> zorglu_: thanks for the page, but it lost me somewhat.
[07:34] <zblach> half the stuff it recommended to do, i had done
[07:34] <zblach> the other stuff seemed almost inappliccable
[07:37] <tzbishop> How can I know if my printer is supported? (Lexmark z13)
[07:37] <llutz> tzbishop: have a look on linuxprinting.org
[07:37] <zorglu_> zblach: sorry i have no clue
[07:37] <zorglu_> zblach: ask here maybe someone know
[07:37] <tzbishop> llutz, ok. it's not supported
[07:44] <boxxer> hello
[07:49] <ikonia> hello
[07:51] <zblach> !sound
[07:51] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:51] <boxxer> is it nesesary to know command line to use kubuntu?
[07:51] <angasule> did the feed die?
[07:51] <angasule> oops
[07:52] <tzbishop> How much free space does a fresh and standard kubuntu release consumes on HD?
[07:52] <boxxer> ive already downloaded the iso all i need now is a cd to burn it onto.
[07:52] <boxxer> 1/2 a gb consumed free space
[07:52] <boxxer> i think
[07:53] <tzbishop> boxxer, kubuntu takes only 500mb to install?
[07:53] <llutz> tzbishop: abt 2.7GB standard-install
[07:53] <penguin> boxxer: is it necessary to know about engines and the like to drive a car?
[07:53] <boxxer> thats about how big the iso is, im guessing its not compressed though.
[07:54] <matthew> boxxer, that's erronious
[07:54] <matthew> wrong
[07:54] <boxxer> i know how an engine works..
[07:54] <boxxer> so the iso is compressed?
[07:54] <matthew> boxxer, the liveCD uses cramFS, which is a compressed file system
[07:54] <matthew> boxxer, I would say a cherry install would be around 2-3 gigs
[07:55] <boxxer> okay then.
[07:55] <penguin> boxxer: i'm only trying to answer your question about the console by use of a metapher ;-)
[07:56] <boxxer> i got that, but i cant drive a car and im 15... speaking of wich, is there any way to install a linux without a cd?
[07:56] <llutz> boxxer: netinstall
[07:56] <matthew> boxxer, do a netboot
[07:57] <boxxer> how?
[07:57] <matthew> !netboot
[07:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[07:57] <matthew> whoops, I mean, netinstall
[07:58] <ubuntu_> re apokryfe
[07:58] <boxxer> uhh.. here?
[07:58] <boxxer> ubuntu.com/community/Installation/WindowsServerNetboot
[07:59] <boxxer> !netinstall
[07:59] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[07:59] <ScarFreewill> !freisty
[07:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about freisty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:59] <ScarFreewill> !feisty
[07:59] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[07:59] <matthew> boxxer, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[08:00] <clemente> HOLA KUBUNTEROS
[08:01] <boxxer> that seems complicated..
[08:01] <boxxer> ill just go with finding some blank cds...
[08:01] <akrus> hm
[08:01] <akrus> & xgl
[08:01] <akrus> :(
[08:01] <akrus> & beryl
[08:01] <akrus> ? beryl
[08:01] <fdoving> !beryl
[08:01] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[08:01] <akrus> oh thanks :)
[08:02] <zorglu_> akrus: do you have a question ?
[08:02] <fdoving> :)
[08:02] <akrus> yep I do
[08:02] <akrus> well, I started Beryl
[08:02] <akrus> everything's okay
[08:02] <akrus> but the windows are without the titles :)
[08:02] <akrus> effects are okay
[08:03] <sparr> I have an Epson Stylus CX5400 scanner.  It is officially supported by sane.  I have the latest sane backends installed.  SANE_DEBUG_EPSON produces info showing my scanner found, immediately followed by whatever sane frontend im using reporting no scanners found.  Help?  http://rafb.net/paste/results/7o5nGz95.html
[08:03] <boxxer> thanks for the help
[08:03] <akrus> compiz: decoration: property ignored because version is 0 and decoration plugin version is 20061011
[08:03] <akrus> maybe :)
[08:05] <ScarFreewill> akrus i have ran beryl in past,,,
[08:05] <ScarFreewill> beryl's site ask nice how-tos in the wiki section
[08:06] <akrus> ScarFreewill: followed it :)
[08:06] <akrus> I'll try again :)
[08:06] <akrus> with ATI it was okay
[08:06] <akrus> just switched to nVidia xD
[08:07] <ScarFreewill> what are you struggling with?
[08:07] <akrus> I believe I missed something in xorg.conf
[08:07] <akrus>      Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[08:07] <akrus> is it needed?
[08:07] <ScarFreewill> let me see,,,
[08:08] <akrus> If window borders and decorations are not showing up, try changing DefaultDepth to 24 in the Screen section
[08:08] <akrus> hehe
[08:08] <akrus> :)
[08:09] <akrus> it's 24 >_<
[08:09] <ScarFreewill> you using edgy?
[08:09] <akrus> Feisty
[08:09] <ScarFreewill> lol i can't install that :P
[08:09] <akrus> Edgy is mostly the same
[08:09] <akrus> beryl: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32
[08:09] <akrus> beryl: Couldn't bind redirected window 0x10002c3 to texture
[08:09] <ScarFreewill> you using a 6 series card
[08:09] <akrus> these errors are all over the konsole :)
[08:09] <akrus> 7x
[08:09] <akrus> 7600GT
[08:10] <ScarFreewill> i got a 7900GT my brother has a 7600GT maybe feisty works on it anyways what how-to do you use?
[08:11] <akrus> http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/dists/edgy/beryl-svn/
[08:12] <dromer> this resembles my problem I think, but I'm not sure what to do (and if this is the way to do it): In KDE 3.5.3 the screensavers are broken. They just don't kick in after the designated time. This is a known bug in the kdesktop package and has been fixed in the KDE source. For details see http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128610
[08:12] <dromer> from: http://megaflexdestiny.net/bits/kde353screensaverfix/
[08:12] <dromer> is there maybe an easier way to fix this?
[08:13] <helge> Akrus: I never have titles and stuff in beryl, I have to type in "EMERALD" in terminal to get that
[08:13] <ijacek> hi, i use Beryl+XGL but i dont restart or shutdown my PC :(
[08:13] <sf_> maybe its because your using svn and it might be unstable?
[08:13] <VSpike> BluesKaj: Just had a look at DeVeDe, but there the problem seems to be that it won't handle VOB files.  In fact, if I try to select one, it hangs.
[08:15] <scar_freewill> who is using ScarFreewill? :P
[08:16] <VSpike> BluesKaj: Looks useful though because I do have a few MPEGS which I want to burn to DVD as well, and it should do that perfectly
[08:16] <akrus> nVidia has no setting to 24bpp
[08:16] <akrus> xD
[08:16] <VSpike> BluesKaj: but mostly I have "backups" of DVD's which are just the DVD files from the disc, but DeCSS'd
[08:16] <BluesKaj> strange VSpike , that devede doesn't handle VOBs
[08:17] <BluesKaj> do you have the latest vers 2.6
[08:18] <VSpike> BluesKaj: Better still, I have 2.7 ;)
[08:18] <VSpike> BluesKaj: I don't think I'm missing anything - it says in the doc "DeVeDe is a program that allows you to create a video DVD from an MPEG, AVI, MOV... video file, suitable for home DVD players."
[08:18] <BluesKaj> cool :)
[08:21] <akrus> hm now works
[08:21] <akrus> 165bpp
[08:21] <akrus> 16*
[08:26] <Dark> I have a folder with many *.tar.gz s, how do I untar them all at once? what's the command?
[08:26] <sparr> for i in *.tar.gz; do tar zxvf $i; done
[08:27] <Dark> thanks :)
[08:33] <knapp> grrrrrrr
[08:33] <knapp> anyone here familiar with gtkpod/
[08:34] <Kamui> what software could I use to set up a "live webcam" in ubuntu?  I want to be able to eitehr use vnc to watch over my apartment or even better access a webpage (even if I have to write it so that it uses javascript to continually reload each second a newly captured jpg image)
[08:37] <grothesk> Hi there!
[08:38] <grothesk> How can I find the packeges an apt-get upgrade would install on the servers?
[08:39] <grothesk> Background: I'd like to install dapper on a machine with 56k DUN and would like to download the updates on a faster connection.
[08:40] <grothesk> #kubuntu-de
[08:42] <Dark> knapp, I use gtkpod
[08:43] <fleebailey33> Dark, i hate gtkpod
[08:43] <hobbestec> grothesk, apt-get upgrade -s (for simulate)
[08:43] <fleebailey33> i use amarok
[08:43] <fleebailey33> im suprised nobody says they use banshee
[08:43] <Dark> and why do you hate it? :)
[08:43] <weswh-> any of you guys ever done the LPI certifications?
[08:43] <grothesk> hobbestec: I don't have an installation of dapper.
[08:43] <fleebailey33> so hard to use
[08:43] <fleebailey33> amarok its right there
[08:43] <grothesk> I just have a list of the neede files.
[08:43] <fleebailey33> reconizes my ipod
[08:44] <fleebailey33> i just drag the music from collection to media device
[08:44] <fleebailey33> better then adding the other wayu
[08:44] <fleebailey33> it always crashes on me
[08:44] <fleebailey33> tons of stuff
[08:44] <fleebailey33> but i have to go catch my flight
[08:44] <fleebailey33> with gparted still running
[08:44] <fleebailey33> lol
[08:44] <fleebailey33> cya
[08:46] <aleksanteri> hey i am experiencing some *problems* with internet in linux :|
[08:46] <hobbestec> oh, I don't know what would be upgraded after a fresh install of dapper
[08:47] <daedra> is the iLinux package in automatix2 any good?
[08:48] <aleksanteri> !internet
[08:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about internet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:48] <aleksanteri> O_o
[08:48] <zorglu_> grothesk: use it on the machine with 56k
[08:48] <aleksanteri> !modem
[08:48] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[08:48] <aleksanteri> ...
[08:48] <aleksanteri> !adsl
[08:48] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[08:48] <zorglu_> aleksanteri: do you have a question ?
[08:49] <grothesk> zorglu_: ?
[08:49] <aleksanteri> well yeah
[08:49] <zorglu_> grothesk: apt-get upgrade -s (for simulate) <- run this on the box you want to upgrade
[08:49] <aleksanteri> i can't to connect to internet in kubuntu
[08:49] <grothesk> zorglu_: The box is not installed.
[08:50] <aleksanteri> so i usually find out that it's in the boundaries
[08:50] <aleksanteri> but now i can't reset the boundaries
[08:50] <aleksanteri> it gives an error :(
[08:50] <zorglu_> grothesk: well you dont need to update it before it is installed :) so install it, then run the -s, then download the package on the fast box, then installed downloaded pacakge on the slow box ?
[08:50] <grothesk> zorglu_: I know how I get the list of updates. What I do not know is where do I find them on the servers.
[08:51] <grothesk> zorglu_: There is a nice distance of 50km between the boxes...
[08:51] <zorglu_> grothesk: i see :) but you can ssh on the remote slow box ?
[08:52] <zorglu_> aleksanteri: what do you mean by 'boundaries' ?
[08:52] <hobbestec> grothesk, the list of updates is dynamically generated by apt based on what you already have installed on your machine, there isn't a static list somewhere
[08:52] <grothesk> zorglu_: What would be the use for ssh?
[08:52] <zorglu_> grothesk: ok where are you usually ? on the slow box or on the fast box ?
[08:52] <grothesk> I'm usually on the fast box.
[08:52] <grothesk> And I go to my parents during the holidays.
[08:53] <zorglu_> grothesk: ok and the slow box is connected to the internet but with a slow link, correct ?
[08:53] <grothesk> They have the slow box with NO ubuntu right now.
[08:53] <zorglu_> grothesk: ok and the slow box is connected to the internet but with a slow link, correct ?
[08:53] <grothesk> And I'd like to have the biggest packages on a separate CD in order to be able to install those packeges right after installation.
[08:54] <daedra> anyone got any ideas on how to make linux recognise my Creative Zen MP3 player?
[08:54] <grothesk> But I just can't find those packages on the servers...
[08:54] <daedra> !ipod
[08:54] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[08:54] <daedra> !creative
[08:54] <T3hWiz0rd> daedra: it all comes down to chipset compatibility.
[08:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about creative - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:55] <zorglu_> grothesk: ok i dont understand your situation, so i cant help you sorry
[08:55] <grothesk> zorglu_: Very easy
[08:55] <T3hWiz0rd> darich: you may wanna read up on this a little: http://gnomad2.sourceforge.net/
[08:55] <Dakher> !pda
[08:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pda - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:55] <T3hWiz0rd> daedra: also check out this: http://www.linux.ie/articles/tutorials/zen.php
[08:56] <grothesk> Slow box with NO ubuntu atm. But on a slow connection. I'd like to install ubuntu there, but I want to download the big updates BEFORE I go to that slow box.
[08:57] <spitwise> i'd burn some cds..
[08:57] <TheGateKeeper> grothesk, use the 'alternative' cd
[08:57] <grothesk> spitwise: GREAT!!!
[08:57] <grothesk> But where do I find the packages on the servers??
[08:57] <grothesk> TheGateKeeper: And then?
[08:57] <TheGateKeeper> grothesk, it has packages on that CD
[08:58] <grothesk> TheGateKeeper: But not the updated ones...
[08:58] <TheGateKeeper> not exactly sure what
[08:58] <TheGateKeeper> grothesk, well you will have to connect to the internet for that
[08:58] <TheGateKeeper> to get the updates
[08:59] <zorglu_> grothesk: ok so if i were you, here is what i would do. 1. download and burn the original cd 2. install it on a dummy partition on your current box 3. do the apt-get -s on this installation 3. download the pacakge to upgrade 4. put them all on a separate CD 5. goto the slow box and install the first cd 6. install the second CD
[08:59] <grothesk> GNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[08:59] <grothesk> zorglu_: That's more or less exactly what I did.
[09:00] <TheGateKeeper> grothesk, I suppose you could go to the repos & do wget & put the stuff on cd/dvd
[09:00] <zered> Hi everybody
[09:00] <zorglu_> grothesk: so you are in business
[09:00] <grothesk> TheGateKeeper: So PLEASE tell me wich repos do you mean.
[09:00] <zered> How to use iso-8859-15 instead utf-8 ?
[09:00] <grothesk> I just can't find them.
[09:00] <zorglu_> grothesk: http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ <- there is the web site where you can find all the packages
[09:00] <TheGateKeeper> grothesk, dapper or edgy?
[09:00] <aleksanteri> !adsl for edgy
[09:00] <grothesk> TheGateKeeper: dapper
[09:01] <aleksanteri> ubotu: ?
[09:01] <grothesk> zorglu_: That's not exact enough. I know the basic URL.
[09:01] <TheGateKeeper> grothesk, well this will cover most things: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/modifyingubunturepositories
[09:01] <zorglu_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[09:01] <zorglu_> this is the actual url :)
[09:02] <VSpike> Showing my ignorance about how linux devices work, but how can I take a bunch of files from a DVD and make them appear to a program like a block device, like /dev/cdrom ?
[09:02] <VSpike> If I make an ISO image of them and pass the image file name to the program as the input device, would that work?
[09:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adsl for edgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:02] <grothesk> A quiz: Who is fist to provide me a download link to the latest dapper-kernel?
[09:02] <grothesk> first, not fist...
[09:03] <TheGateKeeper> grothesk, will be in the repos that I gave you
[09:03] <grothesk> AAAAAAAAAA
[09:04] <grothesk> I'd like to download a 'latest-dapper-kernel.deb'
[09:04] <zorglu_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kernel-package/
[09:04] <Ace2016> Hi all
[09:04] <aleksanteri> !adsl
[09:04] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[09:04] <zorglu_> grothesk: you can find them yourself
[09:04] <aleksanteri> !adsl for edgy
[09:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adsl for edgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:04] <aleksanteri> :@
[09:04] <zorglu_> aleksanteri: what is your question ?
[09:04] <kaflan> hi, does any1 know how to configure swtich between keyboard layouts (eng/rus) by alt+shift?
[09:05] <aleksanteri> how to connect to the internet with edgy? :|
[09:05] <zorglu_> aleksanteri: wait i will try to find a page for that
[09:06] <zorglu_> https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/connect-to-internet.html <- aleksanteri is one
[09:06] <zorglu_> wait this one is gnome stuff
[09:07] <zorglu_> aleksanteri: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/internet.html <- this one is kubuntu
[09:07] <TheGateKeeper> lol
[09:07] <aleksanteri> ok i will go through those, ty
[09:07] <usuario> hola
[09:07] <zorglu_> in general the basic stuff are in the desktop guide, https://help.ubuntu.com/
[09:08] <aleksanteri> i have tried that
[09:08] <omi> hola
[09:08] <qnximg> hola
[09:08] <omi> que sala es esta?
[09:09] <galathalion> how do you check what version of ubuntu u have?
[09:09] <qnximg> #kubuntu ?
[09:09] <zorglu_> !es | omi
[09:09] <ubotu> omi: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[09:09] <qnximg> sorry :D
[09:09] <zorglu_> galathalion: "lsb_release -a" <- type that in a terminal
[09:09] <galathalion> thnaks
[09:10] <omi> gracias
[09:10] <jpatrick> omi: de nada
[09:11] <chudy> How install program opened in Kate?
[09:12] <zorglu_> chudy: kate is a text editor... it doesnt open other programs, nor install it...
[09:12] <zorglu_> chudy: what do you mean ?
[09:12] <qnximg> maybe its a .run and he has opened it with kate
[09:12] <chudy> zorglu_:  i downloaded cedega demo and this opened in kate ;/
[09:12] <zorglu_> oh ok
[09:13] <zorglu_> chudy: then discard the kate stuff, this is likely a bug in the mimetype
[09:13] <zorglu_> !cegega
[09:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cegega - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:13] <zorglu_> !cedega
[09:13] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[09:13] <chudy> what I doing now?
[09:13] <ibert> hey folks! Any body knows a brute-force tools to emulate attacks? just wanna see how it works and if my systems are secure....
[09:13] <zorglu_> this may help you, chudy
[09:14] <zorglu_> ibert: there are many on the internet
[09:14] <daedra> ibert: backtrack linux
[09:14] <chudy> zorglu_: I dont speak english very well ;(
[09:14] <max__> does anyone use a playstation or playstation2 emulator?
[09:14] <zorglu_> !pl | chudy
[09:14] <ubotu> chudy: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[09:14] <ibert> daedra: thanx. I'll check it out
[09:14] <zorglu_> chudy: or google has a translation tool to read the cedega page in polish
[09:14] <chudy> ubotu: tak ale nikt tam mi nie odpowiada
[09:15] <zorglu_> chudy: ubotu is a bot :)
[09:16] <chudy> zorglu_: but i read sites but i dont know ;/
[09:16] <zorglu_> http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en <- chubt
[09:16] <zorglu_> it doesnt seems to have english to polish tho
[09:20] <max__> does anyone use a playstation or playstation2 emulator?
[09:21] <morten_> Hi, I just compiled kernel 2.6.19, but my IO is very slow and I can see that DMA is diaabled on my harddisks...does anyone know how to enable it/make my disks fast again?
[09:21] <zorglu_> morten_: play with 'hdparam'
[09:21] <zorglu_> hdparm i meant
[09:21] <ibert> morten_: hdparm
[09:22] <zorglu_> unix people are so nice :) why hdparm ? and not hdparam ? i guess he had to be lazy enougth not to type another letter :)
[09:22] <morten_> zorglu_: you don't think its something I should include when I compile the kernel?
[09:23] <zorglu_> morten_: you can do that without recompiling the kernel
[09:23] <morten_> zorglu_: hm, what should I type?
[09:23] <zorglu_> http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html <- read this
[09:23] <wildchild> I was trying to compyle DJplay and now it can't find package "libdjconsole" I was trying to install this package by apt. but I don't have it... can someone help me on that one?
[09:23] <csar> hey people
[09:23] <zorglu_> morten_: and note that it 'may' harm your disk
[09:23] <csar> im peruvian
[09:24] <ibert> zorglu_: sudo hdparm -d /dev/hda
[09:24] <ibert> zorglu_: and to activate dma: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[09:24] <zorglu_> morten_: as ibert said :)
[09:24] <zorglu_> ibert: morten_ is the one asking :)
[09:25] <morten_> ibert and zorglu_: I get this when I type that command:
[09:25] <morten_>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[09:25] <morten_>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument
[09:25] <morten_>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[09:25] <ibert> zorglu_: oh :-)
[09:26] <morten_> so I think its a problem with the kernel I compiled
[09:26] <ibert> morten_: your dma is off, just turn it on with sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[09:26] <ibert> morten_: sorry. didn't see the error
[09:26] <morten_> ibert: no, when I try that command I get what I just pasted...ah ok
[09:26] <morten_> you saw it now:-)
[09:27] <ibert> morten_: what kind of hd is it? IDE?
[09:27] <morten_> ibert: any idea what might be wrong...something I have to enable in the kernel maybe?
[09:27] <morten_> yes it is IDE
[09:27] <morten_> I think...its connected to a pci-ide-controller
[09:27] <ibert> morten_: on a normal controller? or on an raid controller?
[09:28] <rohan> what is the easiest way to test if sound is working ? i have a suspicion it is not
[09:28] <rohan> i am on the live cd of kubuntu 6.10
[09:28] <ibert> morten_: check it with lspci|grep IDE
[09:28] <rohan> and this is an acer 3260 tm
[09:28] <morten_> ibert: ok to sec
[09:28] <zorglu_> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kernel-config.xml <- morten_ look at that and grep for "IDE chipsets and DMA"
[09:29] <zorglu_> !sound | rohan
[09:29] <rohan> sound did work on ubuntu 6.06, though
[09:29] <ubotu> rohan: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[09:29] <rohan> thanks
[09:29] <morten_> ibert: it says IDE interface...but I this is the kernel I compiled myself, so I dont know if I can count on that?
[09:30] <rohan> also, in windows, i can double click, and keep the finger pressed, to scroll
[09:30] <rohan> i.e. drag
[09:30] <morten_> zorglu_: o thanks, but isnt ubuntu based on debian?
[09:30] <rohan> how do i enable it in kubuntu ?
[09:30] <ibert> morten_:  as far as i know lspci reads the infos beside kernel directly from the bus
[09:30] <zorglu_> morten_: yep but llinux kernel option doesnt change between distribution
[09:30] <wildchild> I was trying to compyle DJplay and now it can't find package "libdjconsole" I was trying to install this package by apt. but I don't have it... can someone help me on that one?
[09:30] <zorglu_> morten_: or very little
[09:31] <zorglu_> wildchild: let me look
[09:31] <ibert> morten_: so follow the link zorglu_ sent you. you have to check your kernel config
[09:31] <morten_> ibert: ok...then it is IDE!
[09:32] <morten_> zorglu_: ok, I will have a look:-) thanks
[09:32] <zorglu_> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=90705 <- wildchild it is available there
[09:32] <DaSkreech> Can I rotate pages in kdpf?
[09:32] <wildchild> zorglu_ le me check
[09:32] <LjL> DaSkreech: i didn't find that function when i needed it
[09:33] <wildchild> zorglu_ I've  downloaded version 0.5.0 from that site..
[09:33] <nixternal> crimsun_: intel system (compaq presario c304nr laptop), the sound with everything maxed is still quite low
[09:34] <nixternal> any ideas?
[09:34] <zorglu_> DaSkreech: LjL: pinotree on #kpdf can provide authoritative answer on that, i guess
[09:34] <swanfl> How do I configure edgy to use both cores on my dual core cpu?
[09:34] <kaflan> hi, does any1 know how to configure swtich between keyboard layouts (eng/rus) by alt+shift?
[09:34] <wildchild> zorglu_ this is my problem: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37807/
[09:34] <swanfl> (without having to build a new kernel)
[09:34] <crimsun_> nixternal: head -1 /proc/asound/card0/codec*
[09:34] <morten_> ibert: how do I see what chipset I have, in order to enable it in the kernel?
[09:35] <nixternal> crimsun_: Codec: Generic 14f1 ID 5047
[09:35] <swanfl> morten_, do lspic
[09:35] <swanfl> oops lspci
[09:35] <zorglu_> wildchild: well installl the libdjconsole from the link i gave you, what is the problem ?
[09:35] <ibert> morten_: also in lspci
[09:35] <crimsun_> nixternal: ah, you need alsa-driver 1.0.14rc1
[09:35] <zorglu_> wildchild: your log shows that it needs that
[09:35] <daedra> aww yeah gnomad2 totally worked ^_^
[09:35] <DaSkreech> zorglu_: Did you find a solution?
[09:35] <crimsun_> nixternal: you have the same issue amaranth does, though you guys have different primary codecs
[09:36] <daedra> got my creative zen linked up - thanks all
[09:36] <wildchild> zorglu_ ko
[09:36] <wildchild> ok*
[09:36] <morten_> ibert: and you say that this information is read directly from the hardware and not somehow through the kernel?
[09:36] <zorglu_> DaSkreech: i dont have this problem :) i just forwarded you to the guy who may know :)
[09:36] <nixternal> crimsun_: ahh, ok..is that version available for edgy?
[09:36] <ibert> morten_: yes
[09:36] <csar> im peruvian
[09:36] <DaSkreech> I'm chatting with him
[09:36] <morten_> ibert: ok...
[09:36] <crimsun_> nixternal: no, it's not even in feisty (because it's rc)
[09:36] <daedra> T3hWiz0rd: thanks!
[09:36] <ibert> morten_: thats the way automatic config tools work....
[09:37] <nixternal> crimsun_: so i have to download and compile myself, or should i just hold off for a bit?
[09:38] <crimsun_> nixternal: depends how fast you want the fix. I'm not pushing the fixes to Ben yet, because duplicating merge effort (if upstream pushes to Linus soon) is bad.
[09:38] <crimsun_> nixternal: once 20-rc is out, I'll push to Ben.
[09:38] <nixternal> crimsun_: soon would be good, but i can wait as well
[09:38] <morten_> ibert: hm it says for all devices next to pci bridge....nVidia Corporation Unknown device
[09:38] <crimsun_> nixternal: you probably have a few weeks to wait max.
[09:39] <nixternal> crimsun_: ok, cool, thanks alot
[09:39] <wildchild> how can I extract rpm file?
[09:39] <ibert> morten_: hmm. strange
[09:40] <babou29> bonsoir a tout le monde !!
[09:40] <grothesk> re
[09:40] <zorglu_> !fr | babou29
[09:40] <ubotu> babou29: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:40] <babou29> comment ca vas?
[09:40] <grothesk> Guys... I do have a list of the corresponding URIs now...
[09:41] <morten_> ibert: maybe I should boot up with the stock kernel and try it...but as you say it will probably display the same info...
[09:41] <grothesk> apt-get -V -d -y --print-uris upgrade > listofupdates.txt
[09:42] <grothesk> Tada! The complet list of the missing updates for the dapper updates. Thank you anyway!
[09:42] <ibert> when I google ".nVidia Corporation Unknown device" +lspci I get 19800 results. you are not allone :-)
[09:42] <ibert> morten_: when I google ".nVidia Corporation Unknown device" +lspci I get 19800 results. you are not allone :-)
[09:43] <DaSkreech> Hi nikkiana
[09:43] <morten_> ibert: hm, hehe no looks like it. Its strange though. theres not a single one of my pci-cards that are recognized
[09:43] <ibert> morten_: give it a try with a live cd and check there lspci
[09:44] <nikkiana> hi DaSkreech
[09:44] <DaSkreech> How are you?
[09:45] <ibert> morten_: forgive me. I have to go to bed now... good luck anyway.
[09:45] <usuario> hi
[09:46] <morten_> ibert: ok thank you for your help
[09:47] <dope> what's an equivelant to gvim for kubuntu
[09:50] <max__> dope: what is gvim?
[09:51] <dope> it's vim with a g
[09:51] <dope> like a really cool text editor www.vim.org
[09:53] <sparr> I want to distribute nice-looking [k] ubuntu CDs.  Is there any official CD cover art, or jewel case inserts?  Preferably an insert with instructions aimed at newbies.
[09:54] <max__> the ubuntu wiki has an antwork page
[09:56] <dromer> aaarg, I installed my printer (an ancient Deskjet 690c) and it just splurts out 1 line of 'stuff' and then gets all the paper
[09:56] <PoT> hello!!
[09:57] <Simian__> hi
[09:58] <Simian__> PoT: does anyone know when KDE 4 will be released?
[09:58] <Simian__> that wasn't meant to be directed at pot
[09:59] <PoT> i don't know... i use gnome rigth now... but i will like to try kde 4...
[09:59] <Eyeless> lolf yyi, kde's copythingie doesnt really scale to  500k files, my comp nearly died :P
[10:00] <drakeoutlaw> hi all, can you recommend what is the best programme to listen to internet radio?
[10:00] <TheMole> drakeoutlaw: xmms is good for listening to shoutcast stations.
[10:00] <drakeoutlaw> i mean program
[10:01] <TheMole> yep, that will work.
[10:01] <drakeoutlaw> is shoutcast good over slow bandwidth
[10:01] <TheMole> drakeoutlaw: depends on what station you listen to, select one with a low bitrate.
[10:02] <drakeoutlaw> TheMole: Thanks but xmms interface is really tiny
[10:02] <TheMole> drakeoutlaw: Try amarok then.
[10:02] <drakeoutlaw> no, I mean can i get a bigger skin for it?
[10:02] <xenol> !celesti
[10:02] <xenol> !celestia
[10:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about celesti - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:02] <ubotu> celestia: A real-time visual space simulation (KDE frontend). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.2-3.3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1506 kB, installed size 2732 kB
[10:03] <TheMole> drakeoutlaw: All you can do is enable doublesize.
[10:04] <drakeoutlaw> TheMole: how?
[10:04] <TheMole> ctrl + d
[10:06] <drakeoutlaw> TheMole: got a big black rectangle
[10:06] <TheMole> Oh yeh, that's a bug in edgy I believe.
[10:07] <drakeoutlaw> TheMole: i'll try amarok
[10:07] <jager|work> amarok rules
[10:08] <wildchild> zorglu_ I converted libdjconsole-0.1.1-1.i386.rpm to libdjconsole-0.1.1-1.i386.deb file. How can I install this package now?
[10:08] <fdoving> Simian__: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-4.0-release-plan.html
[10:08] <zorglu_> wildchild: hmm i would not do that, and more to install from source
[10:09] <Simian__> fdoving: thanks
[10:09] <zorglu_> wildchild: but to install a .deb, the command is "sudo dpkg -i yourpackagename.deb"
[10:09] <wildchild> zorglu_ zu gave me the link to download libdjconsole.. so I donwloaded rpm version
[10:09] <zorglu_> wildchild: the source wasnt available ?
[10:10] <Simian__> i can't play radio streams in amarok?
[10:11] <Simian__> it says they are playing but i can't hear anything
[10:12] <wildchild> zorglu_ no I don't find it
[10:12] <wildchild> ...can't find it
[10:12] <zorglu_> wildchild: ok give me back the link :)
[10:12] <wildchild> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=90705
[10:13] <zorglu_> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/djplay/libdjconsole-0.1.1.tar.gz?modtime=1166441988&big_mirror=0 <- wildchild there :)
[10:13] <zorglu_> !source
[10:13] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[10:14] <zorglu_> hmm
[10:14] <zorglu_> !compil
[10:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compil - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:14] <zorglu_> what is the command for stuff compiled from source
[10:14] <dromer> Unable to create the Foomatic driver [HP-DeskJet_690C,hpijs] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation.
[10:14] <DaSkreech> Whas going on with katapult?
[10:14] <zorglu_> !build | wildchild
[10:14] <ubotu> wildchild: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[10:22] <Krankfried> !ati
[10:22] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:26] <digitalfreedom> where is the source list for adept kept at? once again i have messed it up and need to edit it
[10:27] <ikonia> /etc/sources
[10:27] <CVirus> digitalfreedom: /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:27] <fdoving> digitalfreedom: /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:27] <ikonia> oosp
[10:27] <ikonia> yup
[10:27] <fdoving> :)
[10:27] <digitalfreedom> thanx guys
[10:27] <digitalfreedom> life savers really
[10:28] <CVirus> no problem
[10:29] <DaSkreech> How can I get kopete to spell check?
[10:29] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: install aspell
[10:30] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: Then?
[10:30] <seba_> Hello
[10:30] <seba_> How are you guys?
[10:30] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: check the spell checker part in SS
[10:30] <jpatrick> seba_: bit of everything
[10:31] <seba_> I have an one question
[10:31] <digitalfreedom> right o m8's i found the file but the repos list i added isnt there..so can i delete it from konsole? the repos i added?
[10:31] <DaSkreech> SS?
[10:31] <digitalfreedom> nm i found it
[10:32] <digitalfreedom> awssome
[10:32] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: System Settings
[10:32] <seba_> I'm new user of te kubuntu. I now as this question is very simple for you .but i must ask for it
[10:32] <jpatrick> seba_: don't say that, just fire away
[10:33] <digitalfreedom> i hate it when ppl do that...just blurt it out already
[10:33] <seba_> Question: How i can install programs like tar.gz?
[10:33] <matthew_> !anyone
[10:33] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[10:33] <jpatrick> !compile
[10:33] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[10:33] <digitalfreedom> !tar |seba
[10:33] <ubotu> seba: Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[10:33] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: Check as in enable Checkmark? or check to make sure it says aspell?
[10:33] <jpatrick> digitalfreedom: I think my suggestion was better
[10:34] <digitalfreedom> so
[10:34] <jpatrick> aspell
[10:34] <jpatrick> digitalfreedom: ;)
[10:34] <digitalfreedom> :)
[10:34] <seba_> Thank's guys
[10:34] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: Right next?
[10:34] <digitalfreedom> they all have to learn sometime you know the more sources to glean knowledge the better] 
[10:34] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: kopete chat window, right-click the message-writing place
[10:35] <DaSkreech> right
[10:35] <DaSkreech>  then?
[10:35] <digitalfreedom> everytime i add a repos i get errors
[10:35] <jpatrick> kkathman: hi there
[10:35] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: check spelling
[10:35] <DaSkreech> ok
[10:36] <fnord5> im trying to use wget to rip www.hell.com but im only getting the index file whats wrong?: wget www.hell.com
[10:36] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: and ther'e also "Auto Check Spelling"
[10:36] <digitalfreedom> ok lemme ask where shouod i add the repos at? top of the source list or in the middle under the tags
[10:36] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: When did they start putting styles into the HTML?
[10:36] <jpatrick> fnord5: wget -r or -R
[10:36] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: that's just a kopete format thing
[10:36] <fnord5> thanks
[10:37] <towycc> does anyone know how i can get mac like desktop on ubuntu, i know kde look website, and i got baghira from adept get, but all it does is change window decoration, what should i do lol
[10:37] <jpatrick> towycc: install bagira
[10:37] <towycc> ...
[10:37] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: apparently very kopete
[10:37] <jpatrick> towycc: oppss didn't read whole message
[10:37] <towycc> hehe =)
[10:37] <DaSkreech> People keep getting the style in messages from me since the last update
[10:37] <towycc> basically all i need is the tool bar on bottom
[10:37] <fnord5> are you running ubuntu?kubuntu is very mac lke in aperance alreaady,
[10:37] <towycc> kubuntu =)
[10:38] <jpatrick> towycc: check the other options in the settings
[10:38] <towycc> i kinda liked how mac has a center tool bar
[10:38] <towycc> ok
[10:38] <towycc> in settings for what tho
[10:38] <towycc> like do u mean go to system settings
[10:38] <jpatrick> yes
[10:38] <towycc> then go to appearance and look around
[10:38] <towycc> ok i'll look again =)
[10:38] <jpatrick> style maybe
[10:38] <seba_> Does anyone know which command can run my caffe maker?
[10:39] <towycc> i guess under window decoration? but isn't that just for the windows, not for the tool bar
[10:39] <towycc> *a little lost* =)
[10:39] <jpatrick> seba_: install MIDI on your caffe maker and use MIDI to run it
[10:39] <jpatrick> towycc: check under "style" also
[10:39] <towycc> k
[10:39] <seba_> :D
[10:39] <seba_> :D
[10:40] <jpatrick> seba_: or sudo apt-get install kteatime
[10:40] <jpatrick> Am I the only living person here apart from the questioners?
[10:41] <jpatrick> I guess that means yes..
[10:41] <DaSkreech> I'm alive
[10:41] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: let's party!! :D
[10:41] <DaSkreech> >-\o
[10:42] <DaSkreech> >-|o
[10:42] <seba_> Does anyone know how i can join to the any channel on the IRC where is a lot of people talking about all within linux etc.? :D
[10:42] <dimsuz> hi! sorry, lame question. I can't find package which will install development files for gtk-2.4
[10:42] <DaSkreech> >-/o
[10:42] <DaSkreech> seba_: try /j ##linux
[10:42] <xenol> !sk
[10:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:42] <xenol> !root
[10:42] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:42] <DaSkreech> xenol: Oh I wanted to ask you something
[10:43] <xenol> ya?
[10:43] <towycc> jpatrick i checked styles, there's three tabs there, style, effects, and toolbar, nothing seemed to match, i changed widget style to baghira, but it didn't do much
[10:43] <jpatrick> towycc: tried restarting kde?
[10:43] <towycc> as in ctrl alt backspace?
[10:43] <fnord5> jpatrick:  im still just geting the index file
[10:43] <jpatrick> towycc: logout and log back in
[10:43] <towycc> k
[10:44] <xenol> daskreech wat do u need?
[10:44] <towycc> exiting, bye people =) hope it works, fingers corssed lol =)
[10:44] <towycc> see u guys in a bit
[10:44] <wildchild> where is my xession ~/.xsession
[10:44] <cloakable> Yes
[10:44] <jpatrick> fnord5: wget -r http://www.hell.com/ -o dl.log
[10:45] <wildchild> I have to put in there command like   killall jackd &    jackd -d alsa so jack will automatically start and kill when x is restarted.
[10:45] <wildchild> I am looking for xession
[10:45] <xenol> daskreech u there?
[10:45] <DaSkreech> xenol: The program you were looking at eralier
[10:45] <jpatrick> fnord5: or you could stop downlanding porn sites...
[10:45] <DaSkreech>  why would you want a real time simulation of the universe?
[10:45] <xenol> daskreech which one know?
[10:45] <towycc> tsk didn't work =)
[10:46] <towycc> let me look around some more =)
[10:46] <DaSkreech> celestia?
[10:46] <xenol> daskreech right
[10:46] <fnord5> i dont think its porn
[10:46] <xenol> daskreech u using it?
[10:46] <jpatrick> but it could be
[10:46] <fnord5> my friend challenged me to get a membership there
[10:46] <DaSkreech> xenol: no what does it do?
[10:47] <fnord5> and i have idea waht the site is
[10:47] <fnord5> lol
[10:47] <DaSkreech>  it sounds dead boring and useless from the description
[10:47] <xenol> daskreech wait i post few screenies it will be windows version
[10:47] <reagleBRKLN> hi, where can i get or reconstruct the edgy default sources.list?
[10:47] <DaSkreech> sure. What benefit does the program have over kstarts?
[10:48] <DaSkreech> !easysource
[10:48] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic.  It does not currently support Edgy sources.  When asked if it will, the reply was "maybe".
[10:48] <reagleBRKLN> what lang is that?
[10:48] <digitalfreedom> is it safe to do a kernel update with apt-get?
[10:48] <jpatrick> digitalfreedom: yes
[10:48] <seba_> What did you think about fsck command?
[10:48] <xenol> daskreech http://images.google.sk/images?hl=sk&ie=ISO-8859-2&q=celestia&btnG=HEada%A5+v+Google&oe=ISO-8859-2&sa=N&tab=wi here it is same as google earth or nasa world wind but in space i think
[10:49] <digitalfreedom> im nervous about it
[10:49] <jpatrick> digitalfreedom: as long as you reboot afterwards
[10:49] <xenol> daskreech http://images.google.sk/images?hl=sk&ie=ISO-8859-2&q=celestia&btnG=HEada%A5+v+Google&oe=ISO-8859-2&sa=N&tab=wi
[10:49] <jpatrick> digitalfreedom: but you'll still have the old kernel installed
[10:49] <digitalfreedom> ok
[10:49] <jpatrick> xenol: tinyurl.com
[10:49] <jpatrick> digitalfreedom: so you can boot into that
[10:49] <DaSkreech> xenol: but in real time? so to see a planet move you have to wait X earth days?
[10:50] <digitalfreedom> oh yeah i cantr select anything on the grub screen stupid boot theme
[10:50] <digitalfreedom> lol
[10:50] <xenol> lol no u would need super hyper ultra PC for it
[10:50] <wildchild> can someone help me with question whre is xession, couse I have to add those two lines (killall jackd & jackd -d alsa ) so jack will run automatically when x is restarted?
[10:50] <matthew_> !someone
[10:50] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[10:50] <wildchild> xsession even!
[10:50] <xenol> but that u can rotate Earth in rotaion and dont have to wait
[10:50] <xenol> well wait
[10:50] <xenol> !celestia
[10:50] <ubotu> celestia: A real-time visual space simulation (KDE frontend). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.2-3.3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1506 kB, installed size 2732 kB
[10:50] <DaSkreech> real-time.
[10:51] <jpatrick> real-time
[10:51] <DaSkreech> That's what it says
[10:51] <DaSkreech> that's very boring :)
[10:51] <xenol> try it out sudo apt-get install celestia :p
[10:51] <digitalfreedom> so whats the latest kernel version?
[10:51] <jpatrick> digitalfreedom: no idea
[10:51] <digitalfreedom> ill find it
[10:51] <DaSkreech> xenol: can it hook up to telescopes?
[10:51] <digitalfreedom> after all i have the internet
[10:51] <digitalfreedom> lol
[10:52] <fnord5> jpatrick: fnrd@ubuntu:~$ wget -r http:/www.hell.com/ -o dl.logfnord@ubuntu:~$ wget -R http:/www.hell.com/ -o dl.log wget: missing URL
[10:52] <fnord5> should the r go after the url?
[10:52] <jpatrick> fnord5: remove the http://
[10:52] <fnord5> ah
[10:52] <matthew_> fnord5, you need two /'s
[10:52] <matthew_> not one
[10:53] <xenol> daskreech it is educational and it can hook up telescopes i guess and u can download a better models to it so it is real 3d not like this http://pat.suwalski.net/celestia/ss/10.png
[10:53] <matthew_> fnord5, you have http:/ when you need http://
[10:53] <matthew_> Just one mistake I see...don't know if you actually need those in there, though
[10:54] <xenol> daskreech if u r interested in space try it out is aint bad piece of software but it is mainly for learning
[10:54] <jpatrick> I'm off
[10:54] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: What about the party?
[10:54] <DaSkreech> xenol: I am :-)
[10:54] <xenol> and som web portal offers star wars or BAbylon X models :D
[10:54] <knapp> In amarok, how do you submit album covers to your ipod/media device?
[10:55] <digitalfreedom> eau@beau-desktop:/proc$ cat version
[10:55] <digitalfreedom> Linux version 2.6.15-27-386 (buildd@terranova) (gcc version 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)) #1 PREEMPT Fri Dec 8 17:51:56 UTC 2006
[10:55] <T3hWiz0rd> !ati
[10:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:55] <digitalfreedom> i got a 2.6 version kernel then?
[10:56] <DaSkreech> xenol: Ever used Kstars?
[10:56] <digitalfreedom> ??
[10:56] <xenol> daskreech nop
[10:56] <DaSkreech> ok
[10:57] <xenol> daskreech it is smth similar?
[10:57] <xenol> daskreech try out celestia and tell me if ulike it :P
[10:57] <DaSkreech>  Yeah and pretty good just wanted a comparison
[10:58] <DaSkreech>  It's more for hard core peopel though
[10:58] <DaSkreech> xenol: I will
[10:58] <digo> hello ppl can you help me on this msg? ->W: GPG error: http://beryl-mirror.pricechild.co.uk edgy Release: NO_PUBKEY 3FF0DB166A7476EA
[10:59] <knapp> In amarok, how do you submit album covers to your ipod/media device? Anyone know?
[10:59] <xenol> daskreech know any other interesting p iece of soft?
[10:59] <fnord5> !kstars
[10:59] <ubotu> kstars: desktop planetarium for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 4133 kB, installed size 7632 kB
[10:59] <jerp> the 3FF..... is the number you enter into your gpg thingy
[11:00] <xenol> daskreech if i want to watch stream TV through inet do i have to have TV card?
[11:00] <jerp> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv 3FF0DB166A7476EA
[11:01] <matthew_> xenol, if you're talking about streaming through the internet, then no, you don't need one.
[11:01] <jerp> gpg --export --armor 3FF0DB166A7476EA | sudo apt-key add -
[11:01] <londo4> Hallo everybody
[11:01] <londo4> How are you doing?
[11:01] <matthew_> DaSkreech, sorry to steal your helpee, lol
[11:02] <jerp> digo, see if that works in your konsole
[11:02] <londo4> have big problem,someone can help me?
[11:02] <xenol> daskreech there is soft called KTV i think it is used to play stream TV?
[11:02] <digo> no
[11:02] <londo4> myn kubuntu doesn`t start enymore
[11:02] <DaSkreech> londo4: Where does it stop?
[11:03] <londo4> when a hit password it restart again
[11:03] <xenol> !ktv
[11:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ktv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:03] <xenol> !kdetv
[11:03] <ubotu> kdetv: TV viewer for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.9-1 (edgy), package size 1356 kB, installed size 5336 kB
[11:03] <londo4> DaSkreech: When I hit password, it reboot again
[11:03] <londo4> I don`t know why
[11:04] <DaSkreech> londo4: When you put in the password?
[11:04] <digo> gpg: WARNING: did not become no export gpg: they were not found validly OpenPGP data.
[11:04] <londo4> DaSkreech: when I logon
[11:04] <DaSkreech> or when you reach the password input screen
[11:04] <londo4> DaSkreech: Yes
[11:04] <DaSkreech> londo4: Is it on now?
[11:05] <londo4> DaSkreech: not, I`m Using onother one
[11:05] <DaSkreech> I figured :)
[11:05] <Timmmm> xenol: tvtime is far better.
[11:06] <DaSkreech> If you can boot to the login screen
[11:06] <DaSkreech> press alt+ctrl+F1 and login there
[11:06] <DaSkreech>  then type startx
[11:07] <londo4> DaSkreech: yes
[11:07] <londo4> DaSkreech: is going to be Ok?
[11:07] <zerak> anyone know when there will be a working version of Kubuntu?
[11:07] <DaSkreech> londo4: Short answer is yes
[11:07] <DaSkreech> londo4: long answer is we may have some work ahead :)
[11:08] <DaSkreech> londo4: it may be a GDM, X or a password problem
[11:08] <DaSkreech> londo4: did you install or change anything before you shutdown?
[11:08] <londo4> DaSkreech: only Update
[11:09] <londo4> DaSkreech: sudo apt-get update
[11:09] <towync> does anyone know how i can make kubuntu desktop look like mac, especially so i can have the bottom center tool bar, yes i did check out kde-look.org, and yes i did download baghira =), anyone can help me with setting it up? thx alot =)
[11:09] <DaSkreech> Ah.
[11:09] <digo> ok jerp thx m8 i fount it it was on that site ;)
[11:09] <DaSkreech> towync: There is a dock thingy as well
[11:10] <towync> o cool i did remember seeing that somewhere
[11:10] <zerak> take a look at Kool dock, notice however v.0.1 and latest update 2004
[11:10] <towync> lol i just been so dizzy looking over every config there is =)
[11:10] <towync> let me check
[11:10] <zerak> and kompos
[11:10] <londo4> DaSkreech: from that moment when I put the password it try to load en it reboot again
[11:11] <DaSkreech> londo4: don't put in the password
[11:11] <DaSkreech> londo4: when that comes up press Alt+Ctrl+F1
[11:11] <londo4> Ok
[11:11] <DaSkreech> then login with your password
[11:11] <londo4> DaSkreech: ok
[11:11] <londo4> I going to try it
[11:11] <DaSkreech> ok
[11:11] <jerp> digo, good deal, hope it all works out for you
[11:11] <DaSkreech> I have to leave soon so let me know if that works
[11:12] <towync> DaSkreech could u tell me where dock option is, i checked window behavior and window specific settings, and appearance, all of which are under system settings, and i didn't see it lol, thx
[11:12] <DaSkreech> towync: It's an application
[11:12] <towync> nice =) hehe
[11:12] <towync> i feel so retarded asking that question earlier lol
[11:12] <DaSkreech> dockx or something like htat
[11:12] <towync> do i apt get it?
[11:13] <towync> k i'll google it, and after i find it , i still have to apt get right
[11:13] <DaSkreech> towync: try apt-get install kxdocker
[11:13] <towync> DaSkreech k thx, trying =)
[11:15] <dromer> hmm, how can I find files? I just installed beagle, but I don't know how to run it, I also tryed Desktop Search, but it doesn't work ..
[11:15] <DaSkreech> dromer: it takes about an hour to index
[11:15] <DaSkreech> be patient
[11:15] <DaSkreech> towync: gotta run
[11:15] <towync> DaSkreech cool i got that down =)
[11:15] <dromer> DaSkreech: ok, so it's indexing atm ?
[11:15] <towync> DaSkreech thx =)
[11:15] <DaSkreech> dromer: yeah
[11:16] <towync> DaSkreech how do i start it, if u gotta go, just go tho =)
[11:16] <DaSkreech> dromer: Go get breakfast/lunch/dinner/supper/snack
[11:16] <towync> DaSkreech lol, enjoy food =)
[11:16] <DaSkreech> towync: My guess would be alt+F2 kxdocker
[11:16] <dromer> hmm, I was planning on going to sleep now, so I'll run it in the morning (don't want to keep the pc on)
[11:16] <towync> DaSkreech okies, thx so much for the help =)
[11:16] <DaSkreech> dromer: Alright
[11:16] <miguel> hola
[11:16] <DaSkreech> towync: Sure
[11:16] <towync> DaSkreech been looking for this docker type stuff for days =) thx alot
[11:16] <dromer> thanks anyway ;)
[11:17] <DaSkreech> :-)
[11:20] <digo> jerp: yes bro i can go for more apps now
[11:20] <method|> for some reason the new firefox refuses to open links as a new tab and instead always opens as a new window
[11:20] <method|> anyone else experienced this?
[11:21] <matthew_> method|, go to Edit -> Preferences to change this
[11:22] <flaccid> dont you love bcc email from new web apps for clients and they do testing from a form
[11:22] <flaccid> i feel like big br0ther
[11:26] <eilker> !lamp
[11:26] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[11:30] <T3hWiz0rd> !ati
[11:30] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:30] <fenerbahche> join xs
[11:30] <fenerbahche> opps sorry
[11:31] <flaccid> how to force install unmet deps with apt-get
[11:31] <flaccid> ?
[11:32] <method|> [16:21]  <matthew_> method|, go to Edit -> Preferences to change this
[11:32] <method|> ive already done this
[11:32] <flaccid> !find amarok
[11:32] <ubotu> Found: amarok, amarok-xine, amarok-engines
[11:32] <method|> and it still opens things in new windows instead of tabs
[11:32] <flaccid> !info amarok
[11:32] <ubotu> amarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu10 (edgy), package size 14370 kB, installed size 31288 kB
[11:33] <gery> hi all
[11:37] <max_> sto kubuntu  fighissimo
[11:38] <lbb_> Hello everyone, I have a prob with my grub, but the grub irc is not responding...
[11:38] <lbb_> I accidentally made my kubuntu unbootable, and since I have digebates for roommates, I wanted to make the PC boot the other OS by default.
[11:39] <lbb_> I didn't know how to edit the menu.lst from the grub command line, so I did "hide (hd0,1)". to hide the kubuntu partition
[11:39] <lbb_>  this made the grub itself unbootable, and now I can only startup from a live-CD
[11:39] <lbb_> when i go to the command-line and say "grub" -> grub>unhide (hd0,1) it says: "Error 21: Selected disk does not exist"
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Howdy, what's the command to run the install.sh script as root ?
[11:40] <flaccid> lbb_: have you tried #grub
[11:41] <flaccid> BluesKaj: sudo ~/path/to/script
[11:42] <lbb_> flaccid: I am on #grub at irc.gnu.org as we speak, but there are not a lot of people responding.
[11:43] <BluesKaj> flaccid, do i have to cd to the folder first ?
[11:44] <nivek> hi
[11:44] <dope> how do i get konqueror to open up konversation when i click an irc link on a webpage
[11:45] <Simian__> what is www-data in KDE System Guard?
[11:45] <flaccid> lbb_: try #grub on freenode
[11:45] <nivek> while trying to compile an application i get the error /bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: not found . I cannot seem to find helpfull info on the forums or elsewhere
[11:45] <nivek> Any ideas people?
[11:45] <Simian__> apache2 logs in as www-data
[11:45] <flaccid> BluesKaj: sorry the example i gave was absolute path to a script in your homedir. you give either absolute path or relative to pwd
[11:45] <flaccid> Simian__: most likely apache
[11:45] <Eyeless> whats the best way to move a lot(500k) of files in linux?
[11:46] <Simian__> flaccid: the only reason i ask is because i have 11 counts of it at the same time
[11:47] <nivek> Eyeless, sudo mv /path/to/files/* /path/to/new/dir
[11:48] <Eyeless> oh and i move between 2 disks
[11:48] <Eyeless> right now im using cp, and its eating 100% cpu for some reason
[11:49] <nivek> sudo mv /path/to/files/* /dev/hdx/new/dir/
[11:49] <nivek> where x is the letter of the disk
[11:49] <Eyeless> ahh, k
[11:49] <matthew_> nivek, why does mv not use 100% of the cpu?
[11:49] <Eyeless> and what happens if i kill a copy in mid process?
[11:50] <matthew_> Eyeless, you get some corrupt files in the dir you were copying to.
[11:50] <Eyeless> ahh well, i guess im stuck then :P
[11:50] <nivek> matthew, i never said it didn't
[11:50] <londo4> Hallo, help help, When I try to logon myn system it reboot again after I hit the password
[11:51] <londo4> who can help me??
[11:51] <crimsun_> matthew_: mv shouldn't. It's i/o-bound, not cpu-bound.
[11:51] <nivek> im simply answering Eyeless' question.
[11:51] <Eyeless> but isnt there som utility that uses a bigger buffer or so?  Copying files seems like something that should be iobound not cpu-bound
[11:51] <nivek> while trying to compile an application i get the error /bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: not found . I cannot seem to find helpfull info on the forums or elsewhere. Anyone got any ideas?
[11:52] <londo4> Help help. myn start only until logon srceen when I hit the password it reboot again
[11:52] <londo4> help
[11:53] <Ace2016> Hi all
[11:54] <pacman> anyone know an equalizer that I can download?  The one on VLC sucks
[11:54] <weswh-> what's the most 'full proof' mount command, so that a drive is accessible fully to another user? "mount -ntfs /dev/hdb /media/windows uid=1000" ? should i use some other options?
[11:54] <matthew_> Eyeless, I meant that the files you are copying over might be corrupted, not the other files in the dir.
[11:54] <matthew_> weswh-, foolproof?
[11:55] <weswh-> matthew_: yeah that works. i'm not very coloquial
[11:56] <pvf> can somebody help...i have dapper and want to install packages available in edgy, how do i do it ?
[11:56] <londo4> Anyone Can Help me?. myn kubuntu start only until logon srceen when I hit the password it come back to logon screen
[11:56] <murchadh_bhaba> wesw I'd change the uid=1000 to umask=000 or maybe just add it. (I'd leave it out first, i think) And you'll need -t before the ntfs!
[11:57] <murchadh_bhaba> weswh-,  I'd change the uid=1000 to umask=000 or maybe just add it. (I'd leave it out first, i think) And you'll need -t before the ntfs!
[11:57] <natic`kubuntu> !resolution
[11:57] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:02] <weswh-> hmm. i just keep having this issue where i try to open the drive from a normal user...and it says permission denied
[12:03] <weswh-> i can never find a clear guide in the documentation, seems like it'd be in the faq "how to mount a drive for access by a normal user"
[12:05] <matthew_> weswh-, try this: sudo chown $username /path/to/drive/folder where $username is the "normal user"
[12:06] <fenerbahche> hi, what is /opt for ?
[12:07] <weswh-> matthew_: this is from the live cd
[12:07] <murchadh_bhaba> weswh-, Type mount at a shell, is your /dev/hdb? listed? You also don't have a partition named correctly above. /dev/hdb is a drive, /dev/hdb1 is the first partition on that drive.
[12:07] <holotone> I just got a new computer
[12:08] <holotone> and want to transfer my files and settings to the new box
[12:08] <holotone> is it as simple as just copying my home directory, or are there any tricks that might be helpful?
[12:09] <cloakable> holotone: Remember to copy hidden files too.
[12:09] <matthew_> holotone, I would give that a shot...that's what I did
[12:09] <matthew_> holotone, I would also make a seperate partition for my /home dir...I love it, cause when I upgrade, it's all there...
[12:10] <holotone> will that copy over all of my settings for applications and kde?
[12:10] <local> I've updated my ubuntu to kubuntu and now I'cant open the gnome
[12:10] <natic`kubuntu> !xgl
[12:10] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[12:10] <towync> hi
[12:10] <matthew_> holotone, it should...but you'll need to reinstall those programs...unless they were installed in your /home dir.
[12:10] <towync> i get these errors whenever i try beryl or kxdocker: does any one know how to fix this?
[12:11] <local> who can help me ab about it
[12:11] <towync> i'm pasting error message in a sec
[12:11] <matthew_> towync, use paste bin
[12:11] <matthew_> !pastebin | towync
[12:11] <ubotu> towync: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:11] <towync> Fontconfig error: "local.conf", line 1: syntax error
[12:11] <towync> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[12:11] <towync>   Major opcode:  147
[12:11] <towync>   Minor opcode:  3
[12:11] <towync>   Resource id:  0x0
[12:11] <towync> Failed to open device
[12:11] <matthew_> !pastebin | towync
[12:11] <matthew_> !pastebin | towync
[12:11] <towync> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[12:11] <towync>   Major opcode:  147
[12:11] <towync>   Minor opcode:  3
[12:11] <towync>   Resource id:  0x0
[12:11] <towync> Failed to open device
[12:11] <towync> thx matthew
[12:11] <towync> o
[12:11] <matthew_> no prob
[12:12] <matthew_> pastebin reduces spam.
[12:12] <towync> o ok, will do
[12:12] <towync> didn't know sorry =)
[12:12] <local> how can i open th gnome again?
[12:12] <matthew_> towync, open up your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and comment out all references to a wacom tablet
[12:12] <natic`kubuntu> !beryl
[12:12] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[12:13] <matthew_> towync, sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:13] <Ace2016> beryl is nice, i'm using it now
[12:13] <towync> k
[12:13] <local> since i've update my ubuntu to kubuntu i'can open the gnome desktop
[12:13] <matthew_> towync, comment using #'s
[12:13] <Ace2016> local: i would have thought thats an improvement
[12:13] <Ace2016> local: but how are you trying to get to gnome?
[12:13] <towync> do u mean i s hould comment out something in xorg.conf?
[12:13] <matthew_> local, you can select the different DM's from the login screen
[12:14] <matthew_> towync, yes, anything that references wacom.
[12:14] <Ace2016> local: going to kdm selecting gnome?
[12:14] <towync> wacom is spelt as is right, cuz i don't know what it is =)
[12:14] <matthew_> towync, there are 3 "devices" and 3 calls to it at the end of the doc
[12:14] <towync> k
[12:14] <local> when I do login for the gnome it stop all
[12:14] <matthew_> towync, yes, wacom is spelled correctly
[12:14] <matthew_> local, hmmm, can't help you there, sorry.
[12:15] <towync> o yeah i was worried it might be shorthand and i'm a total newbie hehe =)
[12:15] <londo4> Anyone Can Help me?. myn kubuntu start only until logon srceen when I hit the password it come back to logon screen
[12:15] <local> i wonder the problem is the gdm
[12:15] <matthew_> towync, when you get down, save it and paste it to pastebin and give me the url for the page
[12:15] <towync> ok