[12:22] hiya mpt [12:37] hi thumper [12:38] mpt: I'm back at "the fix" [12:39] jamesh, do you have time to review my fix for bug 75469? [12:39] Malone bug 75469 in malone "Hard to distinguish current context without colored background" [Critical,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/75469 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #launchpad [01:05] mpt: sure. [01:12] bug 64848 "nominated for edgy by" me, is that normal? [01:12] Malone bug 64848 in k3d "[SRU: EDGY] packaging typo - k3d does not install" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/64848 - Assigned to Adrien Cunin (adri2000) [01:14] looking at bug 74004, it's different [01:14] Malone bug 74004 in udev "Doesn't include qla2xxx firmware" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74004 [01:14] Adri2000: there was a rollout at the end of last week, so some parts of the UI have changed [01:15] I know, and I'm trying to understand how it is supposed to work === fabbione [n=fabbione@vpn-nat.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad [01:17] Adri2000: BjornT would be the best person to ask about this, but he isn't up yet (he is in Europe) [01:18] ok [01:18] (I'm in Europe too :p) [01:28] Adri2000: had you used the "nominate for release" feature on 64848? [01:28] jamesh: yes [01:29] Adri2000: okay. My understanding is that one of the Ubuntu developers can then approve the nomination if they think it is worth backporting the fix [01:30] Adri2000: they might also decline the nomination [01:30] in both cases, there will be a record of the decision in the bug report [01:30] maybe, I'm going to ask an ubuntu dev now [01:30] if they approve it, you get a distro release specific bug task [01:30] where the progress of the fix in that release can be tracked. [01:31] that's what I wanted when I used "nominate for release" :) === thumper [n=tim@222.152.39.218] has joined #launchpad [01:33] mpt: re: your branch, if you make getTaskRowCSSClass return None instead of '', no class attribute will be output [01:34] mpt: other than that, your branch looks okay. [01:41] jamesh, ah, I wondered idly if that would work, but didn't actually try it [01:41] thank you === Ppjet [n=ppjet6@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-130-254.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [01:42] Not outputting a class attribute at all would make the pagetest less though (it would no longer catch a case where we were accidentally highlighting every task, because there are other s between those for each task) [01:43] where by "less" I mean "less stringent" [01:46] how many extra tr's are there? [01:48] jamesh: asked a motu and he can't see anything to change these nominations for release === jml [n=jml@ppp110-243.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad [01:51] jamesh, oh, since I'm looking at a specific page I suppose I could include all the s individually [01:51] Adri2000: looks like core devs can approve/decline [01:51] jamesh, do you have any thoughts on the code for getting the current bugtask? [01:52] Adri2000: there should be a "Target to Release" menu item on the bug (instead of "Nominate for Release") if the person is allowed to accept nominations [01:52] I'm calling the launchbag myself it in bugtask.py, and there's a function to do exactly the same thing in bug.py [01:52] ajmitch: even for universe package... that's stupid :/ [01:53] IMO, the right to accept nominations should go to ubuntu-dev also, and why not QA team [01:54] it can still be rejected if the developers finally decide it won't be fixed in the stable release [01:55] jamesh: ... and also in the immediately-preceding class in bugtask.py :-/ [01:55] that's a fair bit of duplication [02:02] Can anyone check to see if my mail alias is active? I have a gmail account and it doesn't allow me to mail myself (or so I've been told). [02:04] username? [02:04] although, I dont' see why you wouldn't be able to mail your alias from gmail [02:05] cody-somerville [02:05] mdke: I tried and it didn't work and I heard Elmo say it the other day [02:06] is that specific to gmail? [02:06] the email is on its way [02:06] Thanks [02:07] Works [02:07] Thanks :) [02:08] is that specific to gmail? [02:09] Thats the impression Elmo gave [02:09] how odd [02:11] jamesh, instead of inserting all the s in the test, I'm testing that (a) there is a in the right place, and (b) anon_browser.contents.count('') returns 1 [02:11] mpt: that sounds good. === Rinchen [n=Rinchen@ubuntu/member/rinchen] has joined #launchpad [03:16] sfllaw, around? === cprov is now known as cprov-ZzZ === thumper [n=tim@166-179-21-206.jamamobile.co.nz] has joined #launchpad === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@c-65-96-188-198.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.13.96.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.226.1] has joined #launchpad [04:27] dear all... === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-064-181.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad [04:27] I need help changin the name of a LoCo team [04:27] how can I do it... ? [04:29] anyone ;) [04:29] effie_jayx, in Launchpad? [04:29] ajam [04:29] it's under change team details [04:30] great [04:30] I'll check [04:30] and it should follow the standard format that Jono is requesting btw === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-219.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad [04:54] Rinchen, the stardard is? [04:54] ubuntu-team [04:54] let me get you the info url [04:54] one moment [04:54] Rinchen, example... ubuntu-cina [04:54] Rinchen, example... ubuntu-china [04:55] yes. [04:55] hmm was on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto but it seems to be missing [04:56] ok [04:56] China already exists btw [04:56] how about [04:56] ubuntu-zh [04:56] ubuntu-dominican-republic [04:56] or is it ok to name it ... ubuntu-do [04:57] you might want to ask this on #ubuntu-locoteams .... but yes. Either ubuntu-name or ubuntu-countrycode [04:58] ubuntu-cc is the base standard for countries [04:58] ok [04:58] it is done then [04:58] but if you are a subteam in country it's a bit a different. [04:58] a latin american team [04:58] is having language problems to understand policies [04:58] and I am helping em [04:59] nifty, best to talk on ubuntu-locoteams where we all hang out [05:00] Rinchen... yeah.. launchpad bit is done [05:00] :D [05:00] thanks [05:00] my pleasure === static_ [n=emurphy@194.18.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-219.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad [06:31] Any other cherry picks inbound before I get started? [06:59] stub, just checking, did you see the one I asked for? [07:08] mpt: note that your rev probably won't cleanly cherrypick [07:11] mpt: since the tests you added use the short URLs, while the current production branch does not. [07:13] ah. [07:13] Should I change it to use old-style URLs? [07:14] (that feels like a silly question, but I don't know which direction it's silly in) [07:14] I suppose. Or get stub to merge from a branch with the URLs changed [07:14] probably the latter [07:15] ok [07:16] i.e. branch off production and cherrypick your change, and fix the tests === poolie [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad [07:34] mpt: btw, have you seen how forms are handled on the mugshot.org site? [07:36] no [07:37] it is basically instant apply [07:37] when you change focus out of a field, it applies the change [07:37] (or shows you an error message) [07:41] nifty [07:42] I have a few invites for the mugshot if you want to play around with it [07:56] yes please :-) [07:59] what email should I use? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad [08:28] jamesh, mpt at myrealbox dotcom === mhb_ [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #launchpad [08:38] mpt: I ended up sending it to your @canonical.com address -- I think you can add extra email addresses afterwards (or change them) === elmo [n=james@83-216-156-21.jamest747.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.16.201.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad === thumper [n=tim@166-179-25-83.jamamobile.co.nz] has joined #launchpad === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [09:06] mpt: Yer. That cherry pick request isn't cherry pickable - xx-bug-index.txt is failing. [09:08] mpt: Works if I pull out the new bit of test you added though [09:10] Thanks BjornT. === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad [09:29] stub, so do you want to just leave it testless until the next rollout? [09:29] That one feature - should be fine. [09:30] ok === matthewrevell [n=matthew@62-31-78-76.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === Yawner [n=alex@82-44-193-109.cable.ubr07.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === Yawner [n=alex@82-44-193-109.cable.ubr07.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-36-79.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #launchpad === marcus_notebook [n=mholthau@240.143.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-219.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === fabbione [n=fabbione@vpn-nat.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === danilo-out is now known as danilos [10:44] Is it deliberate that ubuntu-dev shouldn't be allowed to target bugs to previous releases? Previously we could add tasks for old releases... [10:48] Fujitsu: at the moment only the driver of a release may target bugs directly. there will probably be some discussions re the permissions, though, so it's not impossible that it will change soon. === Fujitsu groans === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #launchpad [11:01] jamesh, BjornT: were one of you going to run the review team meeting? [11:02] spiv: I think it's me [11:04] yeah, jamesh should run it [11:04] so, who do we have? === spiv waves from the dinner table [11:04] == Agenda == [11:04] * Roll call [11:04] * Queue status. [11:04] * reviewers to discuss ideas and principles for keeping branch review quick [11:05] me [11:06] SteveA: do you have time for the reviewers meeting? [11:06] yes [11:06] hi [11:07] okay, excluding the ancient branches, there is one 7 day old branch and four 4 day old branches [11:08] the rest are less than 3 days old, which isn't particularly old for monday [11:09] one of the 4 day old branches is mine, which I'll look at finishing off today [11:09] one is Bjorn's [11:09] the other 2 are salgado's [11:10] I want to note that I closed the tree to database landings in general [11:10] we can still do important database landings to mainline [11:11] jamesh: i'm hoping to review my branch today. although i have a bunch of critical bugs to fix, so i'm not totally sure i will have time. [11:11] but these need to be coordinated with me and stub [11:11] BjornT: as far as allocating the rest of the branches, when do people go on holiday? [11:11] s/BjornT// [11:11] when I say "closed the tree", it means just that I said "don't do any database landings". it isn't enforced by pqm [11:11] BjornT: will you have time for any more before you leave? [11:11] jamesh: tomorrow. i've already put a note about it on PendingReviews [11:12] jamesh: no [11:12] okay. I'm leaving on thursday night, so should have time for some. [11:12] spiv: how about you? [11:13] I'm working all this week. [11:13] i.e. my last pre-Christmas day will be Fri 22nd. [11:14] okay. looking at salgado's calendar, he's the same as you [11:15] so I'll share the branches out between me, spiv and salgado [11:16] anything more to say about keeping branch review quick? [11:16] not from me === outime [i=outime@unaffiliated/outime] has joined #launchpad [11:17] nor me [11:17] I haven't done any calls about large w-i-p branches, but it might be worth considering again in the new year [11:18] any other business? [11:18] 5 [11:18] 4 [11:18] 3 [11:18] 2 [11:18] 1 [11:18] in that case, end of meeting. [11:19] thanks for coming [11:20] I knew there was something I forgot: time of next meeting. === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #launchpad [11:21] spiv/BjornT: is next January 8th good? (given that the next two Mondays are Christmas and New Years Day respectively) [11:21] jamesh: seems sane [11:23] jamesh: yeah [11:28] SteveA, should my #1 task be to fix pagetests so I can merge 2006-08-ui into ui-one-zero? [11:29] mpt: I'm on a call. I'd like to speak with you shortly about this. [11:31] well, I *should* be in bed ... :-) === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-36-79.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #launchpad [11:41] Hey guys. I may have missed the discussion of this, but when did bug #1 start redirecting to a static HTML page? [11:41] Malone bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1 - Assigned to Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl) [11:41] matthewrevell: when it got slashdotted [11:42] A few weeks ago, wasn't it? [11:42] yeah. [11:42] I guess it didn't get switched back [11:42] Is it much work to switch it back? [11:43] Wasn't it due to an insane amount of vandalism? [11:43] possibly that too [11:44] Ah right. [11:46] It's still getting vandalized by e-mail [11:46] Well, perhaps "vandalized" is too strong a word [11:47] but one of the comments was entirely in Japanese [11:52] matthewrevell: that should now be back to normal [11:54] Ng: superb, thanks. Any chance that the https://launchpad.net/bug1.html page could redirect to the dynamic page? it's been linked to in some blog posts === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has left #launchpad [] [11:56] yay for temporary pages not served with HTTP 302 :-( [11:57] any reviewer available for a quick review for fixing bug 75950? [11:57] https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filedkqGJF.html === salgado [n=salgado@201-0-108-242.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [11:57] Malone bug 75950 in malone "Debian tasks have lost all content" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/75950 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt) [11:57] :D === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-36-79.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #launchpad [12:00] matthewrevell: good plan, that's also done now [12:01] Ng: thanks :) [12:01] Ng: does that take a while to kick in? [12:01] matthewrevell: it should work straight away, subject to any caches/proxies you are behind [12:01] Ng: Okay, cool. [12:06] jamesh: would you have time to review a one-line fix (together with a few tests)? [12:08] BjornT: okay === cprov-ZzZ is now known as cprov === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@201.14.38.176] has joined #launchpad [12:12] jamesh: thanks. https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filedkqGJF.html [12:12] jamesh: it fixes bug 75950 [12:12] Malone bug 75950 in malone "Debian tasks have lost all content" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/75950 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt) [12:14] BjornT: looks okay, but you should change "Gento" to "Gentoo" in xx-edit-no-currentrelease-distribution-task.txt === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:15] jamesh: ah, right. thanks! [12:31] hi, I am so sorry, I totally messed up what is a feature and what is a milestone. I really would like to delete all the milestones for my project. Where can I apply this support request please? [12:37] jamesh, do we keep the diffs of previous runs of the pending-reviews script? [12:41] salgado: we keep a copy of the previous half hour's run [12:41] but that's it [12:42] jamesh, would it be possible for this to happen: [12:43] 1. I do some changes on one of my branches, commit them and push to devpad [12:43] 2. a server crash corrupts my branch, I recover from the 1-day old backup, which doesn't include my last changes on that branch [12:44] bug 75522 [12:45] 3. I do some changes on /other branch/ and push just that other branch, then the changes that I had pushed but didn't exist on my local repo are overridden [12:45] salgado: if you know the revision IDs for your lost work, it is entirely possible that they can be recovered from the pending-reviews script's working repository [12:46] hmmm === salgado checks [12:46] kiko-afk: ping [12:48] jamesh, it should be r4286 of my image-widget branch. how can I check if that exists in the work repo of pending reviews? [12:48] r4287, actually [12:49] let me check [12:53] salgado: what would the date portion of the revision ID be? [12:54] jamesh, 2006-12-14 [12:54] the day of the crash. :/ === matthewrevell [n=matthew@62-31-78-76.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [12:57] salgado: the only 2006-12-14 revisions are for team-membership-fixes [12:58] salgado: there are some for 2006-12-13, which might be it [12:59] there is guilherme.salgado@canonical.com-20061213140125-a1b060422dfcf925 with the message "Final changes and tests for the validation stuff" === static [n=emurphy@194.18.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad [12:59] jamesh, this is the last one I have here too. it's starting to look like I forgot to push the changes [01:00] good morning launchpadders [01:00] salgado: so it isn't worth me trying to construct a branch from then? [01:00] or maybe not [01:00] one second [01:01] jamesh, would you be able to get just the changes introduced in that specific revision? [01:04] static: Morning! Welcome to the team :) [01:04] thanks matthewrevell :) [01:06] salgado: https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/salgado-diff [01:09] jamesh, thanks a lot, dude. I actually lost more than I thought [01:10] salgado: so you want me to try and recover it? [01:10] these are some of the changes I lost, but it's looking like there are other changes that were lost on the 14th [01:10] jamesh, I guess I can just apply this patch [01:11] BjornT, I guess you haven't started reviewing my image-widget branch, right? [01:12] salgado: no. i was planning to do it this morning, but had to fix a few critical bugs instead... although looks like it was good to wait. [01:12] salgado: ping me when everything is sorted out. it'd be good if you could mail me the new diff as well. [01:13] indeed. I'm removing it from the general queue until I sort everything out [01:13] sure thing; will do that [01:16] salgado: when the branch finishes building, see ~jamesh/pending_reviews/work/image-widget [01:17] salgado: you should be able to branch it now [01:18] salgado: it is at r4286 === salgado does it [01:19] thanks a lot, jamesh. you're a star! [01:19] salgado: don't do this too often :) [01:21] it took a bit of effort to work out exactly what to do === jamesh should write up the steps to do this sort of recovery [01:21] oh, come on. I'm sure that was easy for you! === salgado surely owes jamesh a couple of beers [01:33] morning salgado [01:33] hey kiko [01:35] hey danilos [01:35] hey kiko [01:35] New bug: #76273 in malone "check_watches.py output switched off due to huge size" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/76273 [01:35] kiko-afk: I want to move several things from where they are standing at the moment: translation licensing wrap-up, and debian-installer rosetta usage [01:36] jamesh, what would be the best way to override the data on my repo with the data on that branch you just recovered to me? === kiko-afk is now known as kiko [01:44] danilos, I need to finish a review for matsubara. [01:44] salgado, do you actually have to? otherwise ask on #bzr? [01:45] kiko: sure, I may drop off to lunch soon anyway [01:46] kiko, it looks like my image-widget branch has been fucked up in my repo. I'll just create a new branch from the one recovered by jamesh and forget about the old one [01:46] that's what I was going to suggest [01:47] I think this is easier and shouldn't cause me any trouble [01:47] it's kinda weird though [01:47] might even be a bug in repo handling [01:47] that doesn't work, apparently [01:47] salgado, so explain to me how this happened -- what corruption are you identifying? === jinty [n=jinty@vc-196-207-32-235.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #launchpad [01:51] I don't know how it happened; I'm trying to find out [01:52] salgado, okay, maybe back up to /what/ happened [01:53] okay, what happens is that my repo seems to be fucked up [01:53] I'll explain [01:53] lol [01:54] local or remotely? [01:54] I have my image-widget branch there, and it seems to contain all revisions it should [01:54] bzr log shows that it actually contains all the revisions [01:54] but the changes are not there [01:54] ok so far. [01:54] (I'm doing this on a fresh checkout of that branch) [01:54] you just contradicted yourself [01:54] can you rephrase that? [01:55] it does contain all the revisions, as shown by "bzr log" [01:55] but the changes introduced by some of the latest revisions are not actually there [01:56] that's another way of contradicting yourself but now I think I understood [01:56] you are saying that [01:56] - bzr log reports having all the revisions you expect it did [01:56] - the working tree itself doesn't [01:57] I didn't notice this before because I had an old checkout which contains the revision ids /and/ the changes [01:57] I see [01:58] salgado, if you request the individual diffs [01:58] what does it say? [01:58] i.e. diff -r X-1..X [01:58] the diff for the latest revision is empty [01:59] only for the latest one? [01:59] yeah [02:00] do you have the diff there? [02:00] I can get the diff from the branch jamesh recovered === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-36-79.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #launchpad [02:15] salgado: maybe the working tree is out of date. "bzr st" should tell you (with recent bzr). And bzr update would fix it. [02:16] (be careful with bzr update if you have uncomitted changes, or local commits for a bound branch) [02:19] ddaa, bzr st doesn't tell me anything :/ [02:21] weird, to be sure try just "bzr branch"ing it so you the tree will be built from the branch data. === frafu [n=frafu@85.93.207.33] has joined #launchpad [02:22] then if the tree is wrong, you know that it's the branch data. Maybe a merge reverted the changes by mistake (it happened to me once, typing "bzr revert" instead of "bzr resolve". === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #launchpad [03:03] salgado: no idea about overriding the data in your repo [03:03] salgado: other than starting a new repo and branching all your old branches into it [03:04] well, I just removed my image-widget branch from my repo [03:04] and it seems to have worked [03:04] is that something safe to do? [03:05] removing a branch from a repo leaves all the revisions behind [03:05] (this is why I was able to recover your branch from the working repo used by pending-reviews) [03:06] in what way was the branch in your repo broken? [03:07] jamesh, "bzr log" was telling me that the revision was there, but in fact it wasn't [03:08] what aspect of the revision wasn't there? [03:09] the changes [03:11] did bzr report an error? [03:12] no, no errors. everything seemed to be alright === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch [03:15] New bug: #76281 in malone "Not possible to view the status of a bug branch" [Critical,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/76281 [03:38] salgado, is it fixed now? [03:40] kiko, aparently, yes. if I do a fresh checkout of that branch I can see all the changes. (both on my local repo and on devpad) [03:40] weird. [03:40] the diff on pending-reviews is still wrong, though [03:42] kiko, team-membership-janitor. is that a good name for the bot which flags expired memberships? [03:42] yes [03:43] the team-membership-fixes branch ended up a bit bigger than what I expected. around 2k lines diff === j-a-meinel [n=jameinel@75.51.62.134] has joined #launchpad [03:46] salgado, not too bad for all that fixage. [03:48] indeed === salgado moves it to the general queue and starts some code review === cprov-lunch is now known as cprov === MatthiasM_ [n=matthias@p548CB508.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #launchpad [04:17] Can somebody help me merging https://launchpad.net/products/gnompe-pim and https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-pim - I don't know how to clean up my own mess :( [04:18] MatthiasM_, what is to be merged there? They seem to be perfectly correct in being separate [04:20] ah, okay.. I guess it is not possible to get rid of my stupid typo: gnom'p'e-pim [04:21] MatthiasM_, at https://launchpad.net/products/gnompe-pim/+edit you should be able to do that [04:27] I created a new project http://freshmeat.net/redir/gnome-pim/22595/url_deb/gnome-pim with the correct url. Is it possible to delete the old typo project (I hate leaving my mess) [04:27] I mean https://launchpad.net/products/gnome-pim [04:33] MatthiasM_, our policy is to not delete products, but if you create a ticket at https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+addticket somebody will take care of setting the typoed product as disabled [04:33] thanks === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch [04:34] sorry for the annoyance [04:34] no worries, that's not annoyance at all, MatthiasM_ === aa_ [n=ali@pida/aa] has left #launchpad [] [04:35] I'd have marked the product as disabled myself, but I don't have the necessary permissions [04:35] bbl [04:35] good appetite! === MatthiasM_ [n=matthias@p548CB508.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #launchpad ["XChat-Gnome] [04:50] is there a bug open about the need for paging in bug reports? [04:50] elmo, you mean batching of comments because they are too many? [04:51] yeah [04:51] like bug #1 makes my browser cry ATM [04:51] Malone bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1 - Assigned to Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl) [04:53] elmo, no, but stub has said we need to. one problem I see with batching is that comments are chronological -- so you have that issue of allowing people to add a comment after the first page [04:53] so either you only let people add comments on the last page [04:53] or... [04:53] you reverse the order of the comments [04:53] haha [04:53] which is in itself another problem [04:54] or.. I dunno. there may be other solutions [04:54] elmo, one question is whether collapsing of comments would be a better solution there [04:54] i.e. relevant/irrelevant [04:54] I personally don't really like bug #1 because it's a bad example [04:54] it's mostly entirely irrelevant [04:55] right, it's a bad example in that respect [04:55] it's only really a good example in the sense of demonstrating how browsers don't cope well with pages that large [04:55] I suspect in most other, better, examples, the signal to noise ratio would be less pronounced [04:55] elmo, yeah. do other bugs actually cause this problem that you know of? === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch [04:56] elmo, the thing is that we can do something to mark noise specifically "Collapse irrelevant comments" [04:56] whereas if you have 1000 comments and all are signal [04:56] kiko: not that I know of, no (which is probably why there's not a bug about it yet) [04:56] then letting people comment on the bug without reading the 1000 comments will tend to get you "Uhh, did you read comment 501?" (where batch size is 500) === kiko is now known as kiko-fud [04:59] maybe there's someway to distinguish signal and noise more officially like "this is a comment (e.g. 'also broke for me')" versus "this is me trying to fix the bug (e.g. here's a patch)" [05:00] elmo, yeah, maybe. but maybe the first case is better coped with a "Me too" sort of feature -- being able to report that this bug also affects me. === radix [n=radix@70.91.133.157] has joined #launchpad === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #launchpad === matsubara-lunch is now known as matsubara === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.135.157] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === kiko-fud is now known as kiko === outime [i=outime@unaffiliated/outime] has joined #launchpad [06:08] matthewrevell, remember I pinged you about a launchpad-users post? [06:08] did you do anything about it? === danilos is now known as danilo-bbl [06:09] kiko: Yeah - it was the Spanish guy, right? [06:09] no. [06:09] oh, maybe he is. puxole@ ? [06:09] kiko: just a sec [06:09] matthewrevell, did you contact him? [06:10] Yeah, that's him [06:10] matthewrevell, ah, ok. why didn't you drop or approve his message from the queue? [06:10] I sent him a mail asking exactly what he wanted to be regiustered for [06:10] kiko: As a reminder to chase him up, if I didn't hear back. [06:11] ah, ok [06:11] then tell me too :-) [06:11] Ok, will do. [06:11] in future :) [06:11] but if you don't hear back, then, well -- there's not much more we can do for him :) [06:11] True. [06:11] matthewrevell, does he need to be unsubscribed from the list if so, btw? === kiko checks [06:12] Ah, I read it as he wanted to be subscribed to something (Babelfish translation at work)( [06:12] he's not subscribed to launchpad-users, no [06:12] My email to him was to ask what he wanted to subscribe to, because I wasn't sure if he wanted free CDs, or what. [06:13] he says "I don't speak english but I want to subscribe." :-) [06:13] I think it's worth dropping the mail [06:14] Okay. Can we assume he actually wanted to unsubscribe? [06:14] he wasn't subscribed [06:14] I think he wanted something [06:14] but what exactly I have no idea ;-) [06:14] if he replies we will find out [06:14] if he doesn't, well, we have other users who are vocal enough about what they want. :) [06:15] I found him in the subscriber list [06:15] you did? [06:15] where? [06:15]