[12:22] <thumper> hiya mpt
[12:37] <mpt> hi thumper 
[12:38] <thumper> mpt: I'm back at "the fix"
[12:39] <mpt> jamesh, do you have time to review my fix for bug 75469?
[12:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75469 in malone "Hard to distinguish current context without colored background" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75469 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[01:05] <jamesh> mpt: sure.
[01:12] <Adri2000> bug 64848 "nominated for edgy by" me, is that normal?
[01:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64848 in k3d "[SRU: EDGY]   packaging typo - k3d does not install" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64848 - Assigned to Adrien Cunin (adri2000)
[01:14] <Adri2000> looking at bug 74004, it's different
[01:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74004 in udev "Doesn't include qla2xxx firmware" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74004
[01:14] <jamesh> Adri2000: there was a rollout at the end of last week, so some parts of the UI have changed
[01:15] <Adri2000> I know, and I'm trying to understand how it is supposed to work
[01:17] <jamesh> Adri2000: BjornT would be the best person to ask about this, but he isn't up yet (he is in Europe)
[01:18] <Adri2000> ok
[01:18] <Adri2000> (I'm in Europe too :p)
[01:28] <jamesh> Adri2000: had you used the "nominate for release" feature on 64848?
[01:28] <Adri2000> jamesh: yes
[01:29] <jamesh> Adri2000: okay.  My understanding is that one of the Ubuntu developers can then approve the nomination if they think it is worth backporting the fix
[01:30] <jamesh> Adri2000: they might also decline the nomination
[01:30] <jamesh> in both cases, there will be a record of the decision in the bug report
[01:30] <Adri2000> maybe, I'm going to ask an ubuntu dev now
[01:30] <jamesh> if they approve it, you get a distro release specific bug task
[01:30] <jamesh> where the progress of the fix in that release can be tracked.
[01:31] <Adri2000> that's what I wanted when I used "nominate for release" :)
[01:33] <jamesh> mpt: re: your branch, if you make getTaskRowCSSClass return None instead of '', no class attribute will be output
[01:34] <jamesh> mpt: other than that, your branch looks okay.
[01:41] <mpt> jamesh, ah, I wondered idly if that would work, but didn't actually try it
[01:41] <mpt> thank you
[01:42] <mpt> Not outputting a class attribute at all would make the pagetest less though (it would no longer catch a case where we were accidentally highlighting every task, because there are other <tr>s between those for each task)
[01:43] <mpt> where by "less" I mean "less stringent"
[01:46] <jamesh> how many extra tr's are there?
[01:48] <Adri2000> jamesh: asked a motu and he can't see anything to change these nominations for release
[01:51] <mpt> jamesh, oh, since I'm looking at a specific page I suppose I could include all the <tr>s individually
[01:51] <ajmitch> Adri2000: looks like core devs can approve/decline
[01:51] <mpt> jamesh, do you have any thoughts on the code for getting the current bugtask?
[01:52] <jamesh> Adri2000: there should be a "Target to Release" menu item on the bug (instead of "Nominate for Release") if the person is allowed to accept nominations
[01:52] <mpt> I'm calling the launchbag myself it in bugtask.py, and there's a function to do exactly the same thing in bug.py
[01:52] <Adri2000> ajmitch: even for universe package... that's stupid :/
[01:53] <Adri2000> IMO, the right to accept nominations should go to ubuntu-dev also, and why not QA team
[01:54] <Adri2000> it can still be rejected if the developers finally decide it won't be fixed in the stable release
[01:55] <mpt> jamesh: ... and also in the immediately-preceding class in bugtask.py :-/
[01:55] <mpt> that's a fair bit of duplication
[02:02] <somerville32> Can anyone check to see if my mail alias is active? I have a gmail account and it doesn't allow me to mail myself (or so I've been told).
[02:04] <mdke> username?
[02:04] <mdke> although, I dont' see why you wouldn't be able to mail your alias from gmail
[02:05] <somerville32> cody-somerville
[02:05] <somerville32> mdke: I tried and it didn't work and I heard Elmo say it the other day
[02:06] <mdke> is that specific to gmail?
[02:06] <mdke> the email is on its way
[02:06] <somerville32> Thanks
[02:07] <somerville32> Works
[02:07] <somerville32> Thanks :)
[02:08] <mdke> is that specific to gmail?
[02:09] <somerville32> Thats the impression Elmo gave
[02:09] <mdke> how odd
[02:11] <mpt> jamesh, instead of inserting all the <tr>s in the test, I'm testing that (a) there is a <tr class="highlight"> in the right place, and (b) anon_browser.contents.count('<tr class="highlight">') returns 1
[02:11] <jamesh> mpt: that sounds good.
[03:16] <mpt> sfllaw, around?
[04:27] <effie_jayx> dear all... 
[04:27] <effie_jayx> I need help changin the name of a LoCo team
[04:27] <effie_jayx> how can I do it... ?
[04:29] <effie_jayx> anyone ;)
[04:29] <Rinchen> effie_jayx, in Launchpad?
[04:29] <effie_jayx> ajam
[04:29] <Rinchen> it's under change team details
[04:30] <effie_jayx> great 
[04:30] <effie_jayx> I'll check
[04:30] <Rinchen> and it should follow the standard format that Jono is requesting btw
[04:54] <effie_jayx> Rinchen,  the stardard is?
[04:54] <Rinchen> ubuntu-team
[04:54] <Rinchen> let me get you the info url
[04:54] <Rinchen> one moment
[04:54] <effie_jayx> Rinchen,  example... ubuntu-cina
[04:54] <effie_jayx> Rinchen,  example... ubuntu-china
[04:55] <Rinchen> yes. 
[04:55] <Rinchen> hmm was on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto  but it seems to be missing
[04:56] <effie_jayx> ok
[04:56] <Rinchen> China already exists btw
[04:56] <effie_jayx> how about
[04:56] <Rinchen> ubuntu-zh
[04:56] <effie_jayx> ubuntu-dominican-republic
[04:56] <effie_jayx> or is it ok to name it ... ubuntu-do
[04:57] <Rinchen> you might want to ask this on #ubuntu-locoteams .... but yes.  Either ubuntu-name or ubuntu-countrycode
[04:58] <Rinchen> ubuntu-cc is the base standard for countries
[04:58] <effie_jayx> ok
[04:58] <effie_jayx> it is done then
[04:58] <Rinchen> but if you are a subteam in country it's a bit a different.
[04:58] <effie_jayx> a latin american team
[04:58] <effie_jayx> is having language problems to understand policies
[04:58] <effie_jayx> and I am helping em
[04:59] <Rinchen> nifty, best to talk on ubuntu-locoteams where we all hang out
[05:00] <effie_jayx> Rinchen... yeah.. launchpad bit is done
[05:00] <effie_jayx> :D
[05:00] <effie_jayx> thanks
[05:00] <Rinchen> my pleasure
[06:31] <stub> Any other cherry picks inbound before I get started?
[06:59] <mpt> stub, just checking, did you see the one I asked for?
[07:08] <jamesh> mpt: note that your rev probably won't cleanly cherrypick
[07:11] <jamesh> mpt: since the tests you added use the short URLs, while the current production branch does not.
[07:13] <mpt> ah.
[07:13] <mpt> Should I change it to use old-style URLs?
[07:14] <mpt> (that feels like a silly question, but I don't know which direction it's silly in)
[07:14] <jamesh> I suppose.  Or get stub to merge from a branch with the URLs changed
[07:14] <jamesh> probably the latter
[07:15] <mpt> ok
[07:16] <jamesh> i.e. branch off production and cherrypick your change, and fix the tests
[07:34] <jamesh> mpt: btw, have you seen how forms are handled on the mugshot.org site?
[07:36] <mpt> no
[07:37] <jamesh> it is basically instant apply
[07:37] <jamesh> when you change focus out of a field, it applies the change
[07:37] <jamesh> (or shows you an error message)
[07:41] <mpt> nifty
[07:42] <jamesh> I have a few invites for the mugshot if you want to play around with it
[07:56] <mpt> yes please :-)
[07:59] <jamesh> what email should I use?
[08:28] <mpt> jamesh, mpt at myrealbox dotcom
[08:38] <jamesh> mpt: I ended up sending it to your @canonical.com address -- I think you can add extra email addresses afterwards (or change them)
[09:06] <stub> mpt: Yer. That cherry pick request isn't cherry pickable - xx-bug-index.txt is failing.
[09:08] <stub> mpt: Works if I pull out the new bit of test you added though
[09:10] <Fujitsu> Thanks BjornT.
[09:29] <mpt> stub, so do you want to just leave it testless until the next rollout?
[09:29] <stub> That one feature - should be fine.
[09:30] <mpt> ok
[10:44] <Fujitsu> Is it deliberate that ubuntu-dev shouldn't be allowed to target bugs to previous releases? Previously we could add tasks for old releases...
[10:48] <BjornT> Fujitsu: at the moment only the driver of a release may target bugs directly. there will probably be some discussions re the permissions, though, so it's not impossible that it will change soon.
[11:01] <spiv> jamesh, BjornT: were one of you going to run the review team meeting?
[11:02] <jamesh> spiv: I think it's me
[11:04] <BjornT> yeah, jamesh should run it
[11:04] <jamesh> so, who do we have?
[11:04] <jamesh> == Agenda ==
[11:04] <jamesh>  * Roll call
[11:04] <jamesh>  * Queue status.
[11:04] <jamesh>  * reviewers to discuss ideas and principles for keeping branch review quick
[11:05] <BjornT> me
[11:06] <jamesh> SteveA: do you have time for the reviewers meeting?
[11:06] <SteveA> yes
[11:06] <SteveA> hi
[11:07] <jamesh> okay, excluding the ancient branches, there is one 7 day old branch and four 4 day old branches
[11:08] <jamesh> the rest are less than 3 days old, which isn't particularly old for monday
[11:09] <jamesh> one of the 4 day old branches is mine, which I'll look at finishing off today
[11:09] <jamesh> one is Bjorn's
[11:09] <jamesh> the other 2 are salgado's
[11:10] <SteveA> I want to note that I closed the tree to database landings in general
[11:10] <SteveA> we can still do important database landings to mainline
[11:11] <BjornT> jamesh: i'm hoping to review my branch today. although i have a bunch of critical bugs to fix, so i'm not totally sure i will have time.
[11:11] <SteveA> but these need to be coordinated with me and stub
[11:11] <jamesh> BjornT: as far as allocating the rest of the branches, when do people go on holiday?
[11:11] <jamesh> s/BjornT//
[11:11] <SteveA> when I say "closed the tree", it means just that I said "don't do any database landings".  it isn't enforced by pqm
[11:11] <jamesh> BjornT: will you have time for any more before you leave?
[11:11] <BjornT> jamesh: tomorrow. i've already put a note about it on PendingReviews
[11:12] <BjornT> jamesh: no 
[11:12] <jamesh> okay.  I'm leaving on thursday night, so should have time for some.
[11:12] <jamesh> spiv: how about you?
[11:13] <spiv> I'm working all this week.
[11:13] <spiv> i.e. my last pre-Christmas day will be Fri 22nd.
[11:14] <jamesh> okay.  looking at salgado's calendar, he's the same as you
[11:15] <jamesh> so I'll share the branches out between me, spiv and salgado
[11:16] <jamesh> anything more to say about keeping branch review quick?
[11:16] <BjornT> not from me
[11:17] <spiv> nor me
[11:17] <jamesh> I haven't done any calls about large w-i-p branches, but it might be worth considering again in the new year
[11:18] <jamesh> any other business?
[11:18] <jamesh> 5
[11:18] <jamesh> 4
[11:18] <jamesh> 3
[11:18] <jamesh> 2
[11:18] <jamesh> 1
[11:18] <jamesh> in that case, end of meeting.
[11:19] <jamesh> thanks for coming
[11:20] <jamesh> I knew there was something I forgot: time of next meeting.
[11:21] <jamesh> spiv/BjornT: is next January 8th good?  (given that the next two Mondays are Christmas and New Years Day respectively)
[11:21] <spiv> jamesh: seems sane
[11:23] <BjornT> jamesh: yeah
[11:28] <mpt> SteveA, should my #1 task be to fix pagetests so I can merge 2006-08-ui into ui-one-zero?
[11:29] <SteveA> mpt: I'm on a call.  I'd like to speak with you shortly about this.
[11:31] <mpt> well, I *should* be in bed ... :-)
[11:41] <matthewrevell> Hey guys. I may have missed the discussion of this, but when did bug #1 start redirecting to a static HTML page?
[11:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1 - Assigned to Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl)
[11:41] <jamesh> matthewrevell: when it got slashdotted
[11:42] <matthewrevell> A few weeks ago, wasn't it?
[11:42] <jamesh> yeah.
[11:42] <jamesh> I guess it didn't get switched back
[11:42] <matthewrevell> Is it much work to switch it back?
[11:43] <Fujitsu> Wasn't it due to an insane amount of vandalism?
[11:43] <jamesh> possibly that too
[11:44] <matthewrevell> Ah right.
[11:46] <mpt> It's still getting vandalized by e-mail
[11:46] <mpt> Well, perhaps "vandalized" is too strong a word
[11:47] <mpt> but one of the comments was entirely in Japanese
[11:52] <Ng> matthewrevell: that should now be back to normal
[11:54] <matthewrevell> Ng: superb, thanks. Any chance that the https://launchpad.net/bug1.html page could redirect to the dynamic page? it's been linked to in some blog posts
[11:56] <mpt> yay for temporary pages not served with HTTP 302 :-(
[11:57] <BjornT> any reviewer available for a quick review for fixing bug 75950?
[11:57] <BjornT> https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filedkqGJF.html
[11:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75950 in malone "Debian tasks have lost all content" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75950 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)
[11:57] <Fujitsu> :D
[12:00] <Ng> matthewrevell: good plan, that's also done now
[12:01] <matthewrevell> Ng: thanks :)
[12:01] <matthewrevell> Ng: does that take a while to kick in?
[12:01] <Ng> matthewrevell: it should work straight away, subject to any caches/proxies you are behind
[12:01] <matthewrevell> Ng: Okay, cool.
[12:06] <BjornT> jamesh: would you have time to review a one-line fix (together with a few tests)?
[12:08] <jamesh> BjornT: okay
[12:12] <BjornT> jamesh: thanks. https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filedkqGJF.html
[12:12] <BjornT> jamesh: it fixes bug 75950
[12:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75950 in malone "Debian tasks have lost all content" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75950 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)
[12:14] <jamesh> BjornT: looks okay, but you should change "Gento" to "Gentoo" in xx-edit-no-currentrelease-distribution-task.txt
[12:15] <BjornT> jamesh: ah, right. thanks!
[12:31] <aa_> hi, I am so sorry, I totally messed up what is a feature and what is a milestone. I really would like to delete all the milestones for my project. Where can I apply this support request please?
[12:37] <salgado> jamesh, do we keep the diffs of previous runs of the pending-reviews script?
[12:41] <jamesh> salgado: we keep a copy of the previous half hour's run
[12:41] <jamesh> but that's it
[12:42] <salgado> jamesh, would it be possible for this to happen:
[12:43] <salgado> 1. I do some changes on one of my branches, commit them and push to devpad
[12:43] <salgado> 2. a server crash corrupts my branch, I recover from the 1-day old backup, which doesn't include my last changes on that branch
[12:44] <matsubara> bug 75522
[12:45] <salgado> 3. I do some changes on /other branch/  and push just that other branch, then the changes that I had pushed but didn't exist on my local repo are overridden
[12:45] <jamesh> salgado: if you know the revision IDs for your lost work, it is entirely possible that they can be recovered from the pending-reviews script's working repository
[12:46] <salgado> hmmm
[12:46] <danilos> kiko-afk: ping
[12:48] <salgado> jamesh, it should be r4286 of my image-widget branch. how can I check if that exists in the work repo of pending reviews?
[12:48] <salgado> r4287, actually
[12:49] <jamesh> let me check
[12:53] <jamesh> salgado: what would the date portion of the revision ID be?
[12:54] <salgado> jamesh, 2006-12-14
[12:54] <salgado> the day of the crash. :/
[12:57] <jamesh> salgado: the only 2006-12-14 revisions are for team-membership-fixes
[12:58] <jamesh> salgado: there are some for 2006-12-13, which might be it
[12:59] <jamesh> there is guilherme.salgado@canonical.com-20061213140125-a1b060422dfcf925 with the message "Final changes and tests for the validation stuff"
[12:59] <salgado> jamesh, this is the last one I have here too. it's starting to look like I forgot to push the changes
[01:00] <static> good morning launchpadders
[01:00] <jamesh> salgado: so it isn't worth me trying to construct a branch from then?
[01:00] <salgado> or maybe not
[01:00] <salgado> one second
[01:01] <salgado> jamesh, would you be able to get just the changes introduced in that specific revision?
[01:04] <matthewrevell> static: Morning! Welcome to the team :)
[01:04] <static> thanks matthewrevell :)
[01:06] <jamesh> salgado: https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/salgado-diff
[01:09] <salgado> jamesh, thanks a lot, dude. I actually lost more than I thought
[01:10] <jamesh> salgado: so you want me to try and recover it?
[01:10] <salgado> these are some of the changes I lost, but it's looking like there are other changes that were lost on the 14th
[01:10] <salgado> jamesh, I guess I can just apply this patch
[01:11] <salgado> BjornT, I guess you haven't started reviewing my image-widget branch, right?
[01:12] <BjornT> salgado: no. i was planning to do it this morning, but had to fix a few critical bugs instead... although looks like it was good to wait.
[01:12] <BjornT> salgado: ping me when everything is sorted out. it'd be good if you could mail me the new diff as well.
[01:13] <salgado> indeed. I'm removing it from the general queue until I sort everything out
[01:13] <salgado> sure thing; will do that
[01:16] <jamesh> salgado: when the branch finishes building, see ~jamesh/pending_reviews/work/image-widget
[01:17] <jamesh> salgado: you should be able to branch it now
[01:18] <jamesh> salgado: it is at r4286
[01:19] <salgado> thanks a lot, jamesh. you're a star!
[01:19] <jamesh> salgado: don't do this too often :)
[01:21] <jamesh> it took a bit of effort to work out exactly what to do
[01:21] <salgado> oh, come on. I'm sure that was easy for you!
[01:33] <kiko-afk> morning salgado 
[01:33] <salgado> hey kiko
[01:35] <kiko-afk> hey danilos 
[01:35] <danilos> hey kiko
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76273 in malone "check_watches.py output switched off due to huge size" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76273
[01:35] <danilos> kiko-afk: I want to move several things from where they are standing at the moment: translation licensing wrap-up, and debian-installer rosetta usage
[01:36] <salgado> jamesh, what would be the best way to override the data on my repo with the data on that branch you just recovered to me?
[01:44] <kiko> danilos, I need to finish a review for matsubara.
[01:44] <kiko> salgado, do you actually have to? otherwise ask on #bzr?
[01:45] <danilos> kiko: sure, I may drop off to lunch soon anyway
[01:46] <salgado> kiko, it looks like my image-widget branch has been fucked up in my repo. I'll just create a new branch from the one recovered by jamesh and forget about the old one
[01:46] <kiko> that's what I was going to suggest
[01:47] <salgado> I think this is easier and shouldn't cause me any trouble
[01:47] <kiko> it's kinda weird though
[01:47] <kiko> might even be a bug in repo handling
[01:47] <salgado> that doesn't work, apparently
[01:47] <kiko> salgado, so explain to me how this happened -- what corruption are you identifying?
[01:51] <salgado> I don't know how it happened; I'm trying to find out
[01:52] <kiko> salgado, okay, maybe back up to /what/ happened
[01:53] <salgado> okay, what happens is that my repo seems to be fucked up
[01:53] <salgado> I'll explain
[01:53] <kiko> lol
[01:54] <kiko> local or remotely?
[01:54] <salgado> I have my image-widget branch there, and it seems to contain all revisions it should
[01:54] <salgado> bzr log shows that it actually contains all the revisions
[01:54] <salgado> but the changes are not there
[01:54] <kiko> ok so far.
[01:54] <salgado> (I'm doing this on a fresh checkout of that branch)
[01:54] <kiko> you just contradicted yourself
[01:54] <kiko> can you rephrase that?
[01:55] <salgado> it does contain all the revisions, as shown by "bzr log"
[01:55] <salgado> but the changes introduced by some of the latest revisions are not actually there
[01:56] <kiko> that's another way of contradicting yourself but now I think I understood
[01:56] <kiko> you are saying that
[01:56] <kiko> - bzr log reports having all the revisions you expect it did
[01:56] <kiko> - the working tree itself doesn't
[01:57] <salgado> I didn't notice this before because I had an old checkout which contains the revision ids /and/ the changes
[01:57] <kiko> I see
[01:58] <kiko> salgado, if you request the individual diffs
[01:58] <kiko> what does it say?
[01:58] <kiko> i.e. diff -r X-1..X
[01:58] <salgado> the diff for the latest revision is empty
[01:59] <kiko> only for the latest one?
[01:59] <salgado> yeah
[02:00] <kiko> do you have the diff there?
[02:00] <salgado> I can get the diff from the branch jamesh recovered
[02:15] <ddaa> salgado: maybe the working tree is out of date. "bzr st" should tell you (with recent bzr). And bzr update would fix it.
[02:16] <ddaa> (be careful with bzr update if you have uncomitted changes, or local commits for a bound branch)
[02:19] <salgado> ddaa, bzr st doesn't tell me anything :/
[02:21] <ddaa> weird, to be sure try just "bzr branch"ing it so you the tree will be built from the branch data.
[02:22] <ddaa> then if the tree is wrong, you know that it's the branch data. Maybe a merge reverted the changes by mistake (it happened to me once, typing "bzr revert" instead of "bzr resolve".
[03:03] <jamesh> salgado: no idea about overriding the data in your repo
[03:03] <jamesh> salgado: other than starting a new repo and branching all your old branches into it
[03:04] <salgado> well, I just removed my image-widget branch from my repo
[03:04] <salgado> and it seems to have worked
[03:04] <salgado> is that something safe to do?
[03:05] <jamesh> removing a branch from a repo leaves all the revisions behind
[03:05] <jamesh> (this is why I was able to recover your branch from the working repo used by pending-reviews)
[03:06] <jamesh> in what way was the branch in your repo broken?
[03:07] <salgado> jamesh, "bzr log" was telling me that the revision was there, but in fact it wasn't
[03:08] <jamesh> what aspect of the revision wasn't there?
[03:09] <salgado> the changes
[03:11] <jamesh> did bzr report an error?
[03:12] <salgado> no, no errors. everything seemed to be alright
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76281 in malone "Not possible to view the status of a bug branch" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76281
[03:38] <kiko> salgado, is it fixed now?
[03:40] <salgado> kiko, aparently, yes. if I do a fresh checkout of that branch I can see all the changes. (both on my local repo and on devpad)
[03:40] <kiko> weird.
[03:40] <salgado> the diff on pending-reviews is still wrong, though
[03:42] <salgado> kiko, team-membership-janitor. is that a good name for the bot which flags expired memberships?
[03:42] <kiko> yes
[03:43] <salgado> the team-membership-fixes branch ended up a bit bigger than what I expected. around 2k lines diff
[03:46] <kiko> salgado, not too bad for all that fixage.
[03:48] <salgado> indeed
[04:17] <MatthiasM_> Can somebody help me merging https://launchpad.net/products/gnompe-pim and https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-pim - I don't know how to clean up my own mess :(
[04:18] <kiko> MatthiasM_, what is to be merged there? They seem to be perfectly correct in being separate
[04:20] <MatthiasM_> ah, okay.. I guess it is not possible to get rid of my stupid typo: gnom'p'e-pim
[04:21] <salgado> MatthiasM_, at https://launchpad.net/products/gnompe-pim/+edit you should be able to do that
[04:27] <MatthiasM_> I created a new project http://freshmeat.net/redir/gnome-pim/22595/url_deb/gnome-pim with the correct url. Is it possible to delete the old typo project (I hate leaving my mess)
[04:27] <MatthiasM_> I mean https://launchpad.net/products/gnome-pim
[04:33] <salgado> MatthiasM_, our policy is to not delete products, but if you create a ticket at https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+addticket somebody will take care of setting the typoed product as disabled
[04:33] <MatthiasM_> thanks
[04:34] <MatthiasM_> sorry for the annoyance
[04:34] <salgado-lunch> no worries, that's not annoyance at all, MatthiasM_ 
[04:35] <salgado-lunch> I'd have marked the product as disabled myself, but I don't have the necessary permissions
[04:35] <salgado-lunch> bbl
[04:35] <MatthiasM_> good appetite!
[04:50] <elmo> is there a bug open about the need for paging in bug reports?
[04:50] <kiko> elmo, you mean batching of comments because they are too many?
[04:51] <elmo> yeah
[04:51] <elmo> like bug #1 makes my browser cry ATM
[04:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1 - Assigned to Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl)
[04:53] <kiko> elmo, no, but stub has said we need to. one problem I see with batching is that comments are chronological -- so you have that issue of allowing people to add a comment after the first page
[04:53] <kiko> so either you only let people add comments on the last page
[04:53] <kiko> or...
[04:53] <kiko> you reverse the order of the comments
[04:53] <elmo> haha
[04:53] <kiko> which is in itself another problem
[04:54] <kiko> or.. I dunno. there may be other solutions
[04:54] <kiko> elmo, one question is whether collapsing of comments would be a better solution there
[04:54] <kiko> i.e. relevant/irrelevant
[04:54] <kiko> I personally don't really like bug #1 because it's a bad example
[04:54] <kiko> it's mostly entirely irrelevant
[04:55] <elmo> right, it's a bad example in that respect
[04:55] <elmo> it's only really a good example in the sense of demonstrating how browsers don't cope well with pages that large
[04:55] <elmo> I suspect in most other, better, examples, the signal to noise ratio would be less pronounced
[04:55] <kiko> elmo, yeah. do other bugs actually cause this problem that you know of?
[04:56] <kiko> elmo, the thing is that we can do something to mark noise specifically "Collapse irrelevant comments"
[04:56] <kiko> whereas if you have 1000 comments and all are signal
[04:56] <elmo> kiko: not that I know of, no (which is probably why there's not a bug about it yet)
[04:56] <kiko> then letting people comment on the bug without reading the 1000 comments will tend to get you "Uhh, did you read comment 501?" (where batch size is 500)
[04:59] <elmo> maybe there's someway to distinguish signal and noise more officially like "this is a comment (e.g. 'also broke for me')" versus "this is me trying to fix the bug (e.g. here's a patch)"</bluesky/rambling>
[05:00] <kiko-fud> elmo, yeah, maybe. but maybe the first case is better coped with a "Me too" sort of feature -- being able to report that this bug also affects me.
[06:08] <kiko> matthewrevell, remember I pinged you about a launchpad-users post?
[06:08] <kiko> did you do anything about it?
[06:09] <matthewrevell> kiko: Yeah - it was the Spanish guy, right?
[06:09] <kiko> no.
[06:09] <kiko> oh, maybe he is. puxole@ ?
[06:09] <matthewrevell> kiko: just a sec
[06:09] <kiko> matthewrevell, did you contact him?
[06:10] <matthewrevell> Yeah, that's him
[06:10] <kiko> matthewrevell, ah, ok. why didn't you drop or approve his message from the queue?
[06:10] <matthewrevell> I sent him a mail asking exactly what he wanted to be regiustered for
[06:10] <matthewrevell> kiko: As a reminder to chase him up, if I didn't hear back.
[06:11] <kiko> ah, ok
[06:11] <kiko> then tell me too :-)
[06:11] <matthewrevell> Ok, will do.
[06:11] <matthewrevell> in future :)
[06:11] <kiko> but if you don't hear back, then, well -- there's not much more we can do for him :)
[06:11] <matthewrevell> True.
[06:11] <kiko> matthewrevell, does he need to be unsubscribed from the list if so, btw?
[06:12] <matthewrevell> Ah, I read it as he wanted to be subscribed to something (Babelfish translation at work)(
[06:12] <kiko> he's not subscribed to launchpad-users, no
[06:12] <matthewrevell> My email to him was to ask what he wanted to subscribe to, because I wasn't sure if he wanted free CDs, or what.
[06:13] <kiko> he says "I don't speak english but I want to subscribe." :-)
[06:13] <kiko> I think it's worth dropping the mail
[06:14] <matthewrevell> Okay. Can we assume he actually wanted to unsubscribe?
[06:14] <kiko> he wasn't subscribed
[06:14] <kiko> I think he wanted something
[06:14] <kiko> but what exactly I have no idea ;-)
[06:14] <kiko> if he replies we will find out
[06:14] <kiko> if he doesn't, well, we have other users who are vocal enough about what they want. :)
[06:15] <matthewrevell> I found him in the subscriber list
[06:15] <kiko> you did?
[06:15] <kiko> where?
[06:15] <matthewrevell> Yeah, I searched for his email addr
[06:15] <matthewrevell> poxole at a popular web mail service
[06:16] <kiko> poxole, not puxole?
[06:16] <kiko> hmph
[06:16] <matthewrevell> kiko: cool
[06:16] <kiko> now let him complain! :-)
[06:16] <matthewrevell> :-D
[06:16] <kiko> first time list moderation serves us some good I think
[06:17] <matthewrevell> Yes, definitely.
[06:17] <kiko> or have you seen any other cases
[06:17] <kiko> I might have phrased that better
[06:17] <kiko> it's the first time I see list moderation serves us some good I think
[06:17] <matthewrevell> Most of what's been in the moderation queue has been spam, since I started.
[06:17] <kiko> well, yes
[06:17] <kiko> but we also enabled first-post-moderation
[06:17] <kiko> which is what I think this was.
[06:18] <matthewrevell> Yeah, there have been three or possibly four posts
[06:18] <kiko> right
[06:18] <matthewrevell> each of which was asking to be unsub'd
[06:18] <kiko> matthewrevell, do you use "listadmin"?
[06:18] <matthewrevell> and two in Spanish, I think
[06:18] <matthewrevell> I've been using the mailman web interface
[06:18] <kiko> listadmin is not bad.
[06:20] <matthewrevell> kiko: thanks, I'll try that
[06:20] <kiko> most welcome
[06:28] <salgado> BjornT, I guess you won't be able to review my image-widget branch, right?
[06:31] <BjornT> salgado: no, sorry, i won't have time.
[06:32] <elmo> ehm
[06:32] <elmo> https://launchpad.net/products/bzr
[06:32] <elmo> is a) sorted in the wrong order (oldest first), b) doesn't sort numerically (so 0.9 comes _after_ 0.13)
[06:32] <elmo> either of those known bugs (if anyone knows offhand, if not, I'll just file them)
[06:36] <kiko> elmo, I'm not sure -- I don't think they are filed, though there was a report by mpool about this on launchpad-users, so perhaps.
[06:36] <kiko> matsubara, do you know?
[06:38] <elmo> sweet a 3 digit bug
[06:39] <elmo> bug 687
[06:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 687 in launchpad "ProductReleaseVocabulary doesn't sort correctly" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/687
[06:41] <elmo> ah, mpt's already reported it too
[06:41] <elmo> bug 73094 et al.
[06:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73094 in launchpad "Product page should order series by importance, releases in order" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73094
[06:45] <matsubara> elmo: bug 38721
[06:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38721 in launchpad "Launchpad: the sort order in project name milestones" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38721
[06:46] <elmo> yeah, this is a pretty commonly reported bug ;-)
[06:50] <kiko> matsubara, can you dupe and raise to high?
[06:52] <matsubara> kiko: ok
[06:52] <kiko> thanks
[06:52] <kiko> I could do that one day
[07:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76305 in soyuz "Avoid duplication of BuildQueue records on system failures" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76305
[08:17] <kiko> BjornT, ping
[08:25] <BjornT> kiko: pong
[08:26] <kiko> BjornT, I have a branch which implements Mantis watches. I'd love to land it before vacation, and I think you're the best guy to look at it. I was writing the test for it now, but maybe you can look at it before you leave... I dunno, nobody else knows watches like you do, but jamesh might be able to do it if you don't want to
[08:28] <BjornT> kiko: well. if you give me the diff i might look at it tonight.
[08:30] <kiko> say no more!
[08:30] <kiko> BjornT, https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/fileYY5vjr.html
[08:30] <kiko> BjornT, is email with inlined diff better? I am all for making your life easier
[08:32] <BjornT> kiko: i hate it when you send me the diff inlined ;) e-mail with the diff attached is the best, but paste is good for now.
[08:32] <kiko> OK.
[08:33] <kiko> BjornT, diff inlined is the future! you need a better mailer :-P
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76319 in launchpad-support-tracker "+needattentiontickets page timing out" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76319
[08:54] <kiko> BjornT, ping part 2.
[10:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76340 in malone "Should allow multiple bug contacts for products, as with packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76340
[11:18] <ryanakca> erm, how would I move this bug over to launchpad's bugs, seeing that it isn't an ubuntu bug, I don't think... bug 76322
[11:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76322 in launchpad-integration "Should be possible to specify package in Launchpad advanced bug search" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76322
[11:23] <mdke> ryanakca: open an upstream task
[11:23] <ryanakca> mdke: now that I look at the bug, it's pointless, the user simply doesn't know how to use advanced bug search (I think)
[11:24] <ryanakca> rejecting
[11:24] <mdke> ok!