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jendabeuno: still there? :)12:54
jendaTeam, please review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite12:56
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Burgundaviasomerville32: you around?02:26
somerville32Of course :)02:26
Burgundaviashall we chat quickly about a script?02:27
somerville32Sure. : )02:27
Burgundaviahere is what I envision02:27
Burgundaviayour script parses the emails and then dumps the result out to be pasted into the wiki page02:27
Burgundaviaafter that they are hand sorted as needed] 02:27
Burgundaviabut here is the challenge with the script: it has to parse the body of the email, not just the subject line02:28
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somerville32Hmm...02:29
Burgundaviahowever, parsing isnt so bad02:29
Burgundaviayou need to search for any number of numbers, followed a - and then a 102:30
somerville32So you only want new upstream releases, right?02:30
Burgundaviayes02:30
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somerville32Want it divided by repository?02:34
Burgundavianope02:34
somerville32Section?02:34
Burgundavianope02:34
Burgundaviathat is done after02:34
somerville32I mean repository section (ie. Science, Graphics, Gnome, etc.)02:35
somerville32That way people can pick packages to talk about that they know something about (or help them to do that)02:35
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somerville32I mean repository section (ie. Science, Graphics, Gnome, etc.)02:36
somerville32That way people can pick packages to talk about that they know something about (or help them to do that)02:36
somerville32And we could also sort feisty changes by repository section02:36
somerville32We kind of do already02:37
Burgundaviayep02:38
Burgundaviawe could do that, see how it works02:38
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somerville32So I'll get it to output in Wiki format02:38
somerville32ie.02:38
somerville32=== Science ===02:38
somerville32<Package Name> by <Uploader> on <Date>02:38
Burgundaviayep, that works02:39
poningruBurgundavia: was the gmail account created?02:39
Burgundaviaponingru: nope, going to try this instead02:39
somerville32I can get it to try and pull an html link to put with it from the package description if you'd like02:40
somerville32Most packages have a link in their long description02:40
Burgundaviathat would be good02:41
poningruwhat are we trying?02:41
somerville32Magic02:41
somerville32: )02:42
Burgundaviaponingru: what timezone are you?02:42
poningruNA02:43
poningruEST02:43
Burgundaviasomerville32: what kind of timeframe are we looking at? can you test your stuff on 25?02:43
somerville3225th of December?02:43
somerville32Oh02:43
somerville32UWN 2502:43
Burgundaviaie: do I need to sort through my UWN queue to get 25 out?02:43
Burgundaviatbh, I am little bit burnt out right now, mostly from work02:44
Burgundaviaponingru: which state?02:44
poningruflorida02:47
Burgundaviaah02:47
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poningruI go to uni of florida silly ;)02:47
Burgundaviaoh right, that02:47
poningruufl ftw :p02:47
somerville32Burgundavia: I would say no since we should get UWN 25 out ASAP and I most likely won't have it finished and tested tonight (I got the flu)02:48
Burgundaviaah right02:48
Burgundaviaok02:48
poningrusomerville32: dude can you show me some of that magic?02:54
somerville32poningru, lol, once I finish "casting" it, sure ;] 02:55
somerville32Burgundavia, Are you going to do Mark's letter and the Kurdish follow up?02:57
Burgundaviaugh02:57
Burgundaviawe can the latter02:57
Burgundaviasomebody else can write the former :)02:57
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poningrusomerville32: make sure your wand movements are good02:59
poningruand enunciate the spell02:59
poningru;)02:59
somerville32poningru, This is so going to be a hack job ;] 03:00
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somerville32Welp, I need to go to bed.03:02
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elkbuntuBurgundavia, i'll have a crack soon03:04
somerville32...03:04
somerville32Burgundavia, I doubt I'm going to be going anywhere tomorrow with this flu so I'll code the script tomorrow and write the Mark's letter thinger.03:04
Burgundaviasounds good03:12
Burgundaviamarks letter, we looking at 25 or 26?03:12
somerville322503:12
somerville32We promised it in 2503:12
somerville32Alrighty deferred from 2403:13
somerville32*Already03:13
tonyyarussobetter find some way to do it03:13
somerville32tonyyarusso, I'm doing it tomorrow03:14
somerville32We should also add a content freeze on 25 so that new content goes to 2603:14
Burgundaviaright03:14
BurgundaviaI think I probably want to hand off the chief editor position at this point03:15
BurgundaviaI just need to find a good sucker03:19
somerville32lol03:23
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BurgundaviaI was actually thinking somerville3203:25
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tonyyarussoGood be good03:27
somerville32Alrighty, I'll do it.  :] 03:27
tonyyarussoCertainly not me - I'd get eaten alive :(03:27
tonyyarussoHurrah for somerville32 !03:27
Burgundaviathe king is dead, long live the king03:28
somerville32lol03:28
tonyyarussoGah, I don't even remember which issue is which anymore.03:29
Burgundaviaok, I have a list for the feisty changes03:29
Burgundavia2503:29
Burgundaviashall I dump it into gobby and we can start work?03:29
tonyyarussoDo I still owe my beats for this issue, or are they done?03:29
somerville32tonyyarusso, They are done but feel free to start on 2603:29
tonyyarussosomerville32: Which releases when?03:29
Burgundaviaalready done03:30
somerville3226 should release ASAP as well03:30
tonyyarussoHmm, okay.03:30
somerville32(ie. the 20th)03:30
BurgundaviaI am slowly trying to ween myself off of the "I need to do everything" mentality I sometimes get into03:30
somerville32Burgundavia, I know what you mean ;] 03:31
Burgundaviabecause that is only going to burn me out03:31
tonyyarussoThat I can do.  The 19th is my last exam, so I can throw some things on as a break from packing.03:31
somerville32Ok, lets try and get UWN 24 out tonight - I think we can do it.03:31
somerville32If not tonight, for tomorrow for sure03:31
Burgundaviayou mean 2503:32
somerville32right :] 03:32
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somerville32elkbuntu, Can you do the Turkish follow up?03:33
elkbuntusomerville32, yeah03:33
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: there is a utah-ecuador link to be written about as well03:35
elkbuntuBurgundavia, yeah03:35
somerville32tonyyarusso, Can you help out with Feisty changes?03:38
tonyyarussosomerville32: Okay, what's it need?  I haven't really been paying attention to how they're done lately.03:38
somerville32Burgundavia, Can you throw it up on Gobby?03:39
somerville32tonyyarusso, There are inline comments03:39
Burgundaviasomerville32: 25 is already up03:39
somerville32tonyyarusso, Do you know how to connect with gobby?03:39
tonyyarussosomerville32: yep03:39
tonyyarussobe right there03:39
somerville32Ok03:40
somerville32I'll brt there in a sec too03:40
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somerville32MitchM: Want to help with UWN 25?03:43
MitchMhey elkbuntu -- my 64.187.64.115 server is down. I do not know the cause; but am trying to contact my BW provider to see what the problem is.03:43
elkbuntuk03:43
MitchMsomerville32: Sure.03:43
MitchMsomerville32: How can I help?03:43
Burgundaviathere are a few things up03:44
Burgundaviathe largest is the feisty changes03:44
somerville32MitchM: There are three sections we're finishing up. Mark's Letter, Kurdish incident, and Feisty Changes.03:44
Burgundaviaalso quick stories about the devel list split, herd 1 and a call for installer develoeprs03:44
MitchMWell I would help where needed. I however; not producing much type-written stuff in a while may prove to be too behind-the-times to be of much help.03:46
MitchMIf you guys have a specific article you want me to write I will try and get on top of it03:47
somerville32MitchM: You could help out with Feisty changes.03:48
RinchenMitchM, fyi I sent you an email this morning. Might check your junk mailbo03:49
Rinchenx03:49
MitchMhm k :)03:50
MitchMRinchen -- dont see a single thing.03:50
MitchMSend again>03:50
MitchM?03:50
MitchMmitch (at) kci.net03:50
Rinchenyep03:50
BurgundaviaMitchM: if that feels too much like diving into the deep end, you can write a few lines about the herd 1 release and the devel mailing list split03:50
RinchenMitchM, resent03:52
MitchMRinchen: k03:52
MitchMBurgundavia: When are the writings due? and does someone of "editorial" stance look over the submissions?03:52
BurgundaviaMitchM: due right now03:52
Burgundaviaeidtorial stance? in what sense?03:53
MitchMproof-reading03:54
MitchMRinchen: Got the e-mail03:54
Burgundaviaah, right03:54
Rinchenthanks. Figured I wasn't whitelisted still :-) 03:54
Burgundaviaour policy, as chief-editor-emeritus, is for you to start writing and we will work with you if you style needs tweaking03:54
RinchenBurgundavia, is there a gobby session id I could join to help?03:54
Burgundaviagobby is up03:55
Burgundaviahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies03:55
tonyyarussosomerville32: I'm on the phone, btw.  Will start working when done with that.03:55
MitchMRinchen: I will have to fix ubuntu-rocks.org tomorrow. All my lovely ssh passwords/encrypted text lies on my 64.187.64.115 server.03:56
MitchMWhich is not talking to the world right now :)03:57
Burgundaviaanyway, I need to run to get dinner03:57
Burgundaviaback in about 30 minutes03:57
RinchenMitchM, no worries. MDKE found it today and it's low priority.03:57
MitchMRinchen: K :)03:58
MitchMBurgundavia: I believe I will have to pass up the opportunity to help tonight. I would really enjoy writing articles for the UWN if the opportunity arises again.03:59
Burgundaviawe are going to be here for a while03:59
somerville32Gah03:59
somerville32I can't login to the gobby session03:59
somerville32ufl_ftw! right?03:59
MitchMBurgundavia: At the moment though I think I have to get back to bed -- First day snowboarding yesterday; and I've slept 14 hours and still dont feel any better.04:00
tonyyarussosomerville32: @, not _04:00
somerville32Ah, yeah, sorry :] 04:01
MitchMRinchenL white-listed, take care :)04:01
somerville32Mark posted an entire e-mail in UWN25? lol04:02
Burgundavianah, I did that04:03
Burgundaviaprobably rip that out and put it on the help wiki04:03
somerville32 "Sony gets Ubuntu running a PS3" <-- So thats what the Developers are wasting their time with ;] 04:13
somerville32For the Mark's letter thing, maybe the best option would be to summarize what happens and then just provide those links?04:15
somerville32That way people can get informed and we can stay unbiased04:16
somerville32Did we ever report on the Novell + Microsoft dela?04:25
somerville32*deal04:25
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tonyyarussoI don't think we really needed too - enough was said already04:27
Burgundaviayep, that probably works04:29
Burgundaviaa few sentences on what happened and then the link04:29
Burgundavias04:29
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somerville32also quick stories about the devel list split, herd 1 and a call for installer develoeprs <-- Did they happen during UWN25 or UWN26?04:42
Burgundavia25, because they happening during that timeframe04:43
somerville32k04:43
RinchenI didn't see any loco stories this week. Mel, did you get any?04:44
Burgundaviaeating dinner, write in a sec04:44
somerville32tonyyarusso, How is it coming?04:55
tonyyarussosomerville32: not much yet04:55
tonyyarussoI'll get more productive as the night wears on04:55
somerville32Alrighty04:55
tonyyarussoespecially now that I realized we were talking about the next issue04:55
elkbuntuRinchen, when various latin americans stop talking to me, i might get around to using gobby04:56
somerville32I think it would most likely best for me to get to bed04:56
somerville32tonyyarusso: We're talking about UWN 25 right now04:56
tonyyarussosomerville32: I'm so confused....speak to me slowly04:56
somerville32tonyyarusso, kk :)04:56
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somerville32Tonight we're going to (try) and do the Fesity Changes section and the Kurdish section in UWN 25 and then release it04:57
Rinchenelkbuntu, lol04:57
elkbuntuRinchen, its hardly funny, i speak precisely 0 spanish :04:57
somerville32Then, starting tomorrow, we'll get UWN 26 finished and released on the 20th04:57
Rinchenque? :-) 04:58
elkbuntuo.O04:58
elkbuntui still havent memorised that one04:59
elkbuntui can say gracias, that's about all04:59
elkbuntuor even, muchos gracias04:59
Rinchenhehe  I wonder, are we both working on the team south of the USA?05:00
elkbuntuRinchen, the venezuela and dominican republic teams are currently sapping my knowledge and time05:01
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: sparklehistory on Freenode speaks high school level Spanish.05:01
Rinchenelkbuntu, yep, same teams. see loco team chan05:02
elkbuntutonyyarusso, hehehe there's many bilingual people on freenode, i just fail to be one of them05:02
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: That's what "connections" are for ;)05:02
elkbuntutonyyarusso, the problem is not lack of understanding, as they are able to speak english, it's more that i keep throwing in things like 'bbs' and confusing the crap out of them05:03
elkbuntuhence needing to be verbose with everything and repeat alot05:03
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: aaaah05:03
Rinchenelkbuntu, lol...you? talk a lot? lol05:03
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elkbuntulol05:04
elkbuntunah, i'll find a less violent way to seek vengence05:04
tonyyarussoor at least more sneaky05:06
elkbuntuindeed05:06
elkbuntuwhich basically means, i cant be bothered :05:07
nixternalJOEY!!!05:11
RinchenHiya Richie05:12
Rinchenwe're talking shop over on locoteams05:12
Rinchencome join the fun!05:13
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nixternalheh, marketing shmarketing..i just took a quick job with the Chicago Cubs as a "Business Aspects & Marketing" teams consultant05:13
nixternalFREE TICKETS!!!05:14
Rinchenw00t!05:14
nixternaloh ya baby...they better goto the world series this year :)05:14
tonyyarussoNot if I can help it!05:15
tonyyarussohehe05:16
somerville32gah05:16
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somerville32I'm over in gobby working hard and you guys are fooling around05:16
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nixternalhehe05:16
elkbuntuwe're not fooling 'round05:17
somerville32Ah, yes... serious marketing biz  - it can hard to tell the difference sometime ;] 05:17
nixternallol05:17
elkbuntusomerville32, oh, i thought you were calling loco stuff fooling05:18
somerville32lol - well, loco stuff is crazy ;] 05:19
nixternalheh05:19
Burgundaviasomerville32: welcome to being chief editor05:19
nixternalwhoa, you stepped down Burgundavia?05:19
Burgundavianixternal: yep05:20
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somerville32Burgundavia, lol, we're making the transition right now?05:20
elkbuntusomerville32, loco is crazy in spanish, iirc feminine form though05:20
nixternalsomerville32: less talking, more working on that UWN... Burgundavia and myself are going for a drink :)05:20
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nixternalloco == masculine && loca == feminine...que no?05:21
nixternali seriously can't remember the verbage...been 20 years almost since i took it in high school05:22
somerville32loca sounds feminine to me05:22
nixternalwell, ricky martin say livin' la vida loca which is all feminine i believe05:22
somerville32:] 05:27
somerville32nixternal: Will you recap heard 1 for me?05:28
nixternalhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd1/Kubuntu05:29
somerville32I mean in UWN 25 ;] 05:29
nixternalwhat needs to be recapped? some packaging got done, it was released unbroken, this is what we have to look forward to?05:32
nixternali can do that im sure05:32
nixternalit was also released a week late :)05:32
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somerville32Nixternal: Can you complete that right now?05:34
nixternalpoint me in the right direction05:34
nixternalooh..i need to install gobby really quick05:34
nixternalok, that is done05:35
somerville32nixternal: Do you know how to connect?05:35
nixternalyup05:35
nixternalas long as i have the correct ip of course05:35
nixternalwhat server are we connecting to?05:43
Burgundaviasee the wikipage of the editing policites page05:44
Burgundaviatonyyarusso: there are no plans to replace rb with banshee05:45
tonyyarussoBurgundavia: Okay05:45
nixternalalright, brief write up completed for the Herd 1 Recap06:10
Burgundaviaexcellent06:11
nixternali wouldn't call it excellent, but it is definitely brief :)06:12
Burgundaviahad an interesting thought about the distrowatch data06:25
Madpilotand people's unhealthy obsession with it?06:25
Burgundaviacreate a page that shows the data graphically, via svg icons of the distros, scaled based on their hit counter06:26
tonyyarussoSo....no more Isle of Man on that map.06:26
Burgundavianot geographically, visually06:27
Burgundaviayou would see a page with all the icons, ala this page":06:27
tonyyarussoah06:27
Burgundaviahttp://www.gridter.com/linx/linux.html06:27
Burgundaviabut scale the icons based on the distrowatch hits06:27
Burgundaviaor any data, really06:28
Madpilotso you'd have huge Ubuntu & Suse icons, and a bunch of 1pxX1px icons for most of the rest06:29
Burgundaviabasically06:29
Burgundaviayou could use svg animation to show you across a good timescale as well06:30
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Burgundaviaanybody still alive?06:55
elkbuntuyeah06:59
tonyyarussobarely07:00
tonyyarussoUp, but still feeling not so good07:00
Burgundaviaok, still plugging away, but pretty tired myself07:01
tonyyarussoThis is disgusting.  I slept 16 hrs and just got up around dinnertime.  And want to go back to bed.07:03
elkbuntubecause you overslept07:03
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: No, I've been exhausted for weeks.07:05
elkbuntudocs have any explanation?07:05
nixternaley?07:05
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: "No manual entry for life"07:07
elkbuntutonyyarusso, i mean docs as in medical professionals07:07
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: Ooooh, duh.  I'm going to try to figure out how those work when I get back from break.  No time between now and Wednesday when I go home.07:09
BurgundaviaI am going to copy back from gobby07:11
elkbuntuBurgundavia, oh ok07:12
elkbuntui was just about to do the kurdish bit... are we going to fix up towsonu's mess and take it back to what was published, or leave it as it is now?07:13
BurgundaviaUWN is far from ready to be published07:14
elkbuntuim talking about the mess he made of 2407:14
elkbuntuhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2006-December/000890.html07:16
Burgundaviarightg07:17
Burgundaviawhat was sent via email was correct07:17
Burgundaviahe editing the wiki afterwards and then reverted it07:17
elkbuntuyes07:17
elkbuntuer no07:17
elkbuntusec07:17
Burgundaviahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue24?action=diff&rev2=39&rev1=3807:18
Burgundaviasee that edit07:18
Burgundaviaand then see the next one07:18
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Burgundaviaoh, wait, you are right07:18
elkbuntuof course i am07:18
BurgundaviaI thought I had sent before he made that edit07:19
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elkbuntuno, you had not07:19
elkbuntuhence, we now have egg on our faces over that07:19
Burgundaviaeh, people get things wrong all the time07:19
Burgundaviawe trust our writers07:19
elkbuntui cant even see how he perceived it as dropped, tbh07:20
Burgundaviahe got wrong information07:20
elkbuntuthats not the point i was asking about though.. do we fix up the uwn24 in the wiki?07:20
Burgundaviauwn24 has already been fixed int he wiki07:20
Burgundaviaif you notice07:21
elkbuntubut it's not the same wording07:21
elkbuntuas what was sent out07:21
elkbuntuwhat im asking is... shoudl the wiki and the -news archive be identical or not07:21
Burgundaviahmm, good point07:22
elkbuntui believe yes for major story changes07:23
BurgundaviaI have generally reverted changes, but in this case I think we should leave the original wording and then add an "update" big07:23
elkbuntuk07:23
Burgundaviabit, rather07:24
tonyyarussoWhat was the change?07:27
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elkbuntuclaiming charges were dropped, when they were not07:28
tonyyarussoAh07:29
nixternalya, i remember seeing that and was like OH GOOD!07:30
nixternaland then I seen the ML and was like, ok what went wrong07:30
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Burgundaviahttp://internetfreedomdisk.blogspot.com/09:41
tonyyarussoBurgundavia: nice09:45
Burgundaviawhy are you still up?09:45
tonyyarussoI woke up at 6:30 PM, remember?09:46
tonyyarusso"They don't look to alive to me, but the geeks have a habit of choosing bad names for things, sad but true."09:46
Burgundaviaright09:46
tonyyarussoso true...09:46
tonyyarussoAnyone else clicking "digg this story"?09:47
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jendaBurgundavia?10:58
jendaPlease check out wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite10:58
jendasuggestions welcome.10:58
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poningruquinn storm is a guy right?11:15
elkbuntuyes11:16
elkbuntuponingru, why do you ask?11:16
tonyyarussoponingru: Male-to-Female Transgendered, actually.  "woman trapped in a man's body"  <--their words11:17
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tsmithejenda11:56
jendayes?11:56
tsmithei can't access the diy site11:56
tsmithelike there's an infinite loop on the server11:56
tsmithe<? while(1) { /* loopy loop */ } ?>11:57
jendamust be dan at work, then :)11:58
tsmitheindeed12:02
tsmitheso it doesn't work for you?12:02
jendanope12:04
tsmithecool12:05
tsmithe(i guess)12:05
poningrulol12:18
danbuch929hello y'all12:38
danbuch929Please check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing12:39
danbuch929just like jenda said, "suggestions welcome" :-)12:39
jendadanbuch929: looks like a great job to me :)12:51
jendaespecially the "anything from 6.06 onward, or materials that are not release-specific." is very exact.12:51
danbuch929jenda: glad you approve :-D ...  I have to say that my pinky finger was hovering over "Del" as I saw all of the Breezy material still up on DIYMarketing12:54
jendameh12:55
jendaI guess people still use that thing ;)12:55
danbuch929...and so it will stay :-)12:55
jendaWe should archive it, but it doesn't have to be offered on a silver platter IMO ;)12:55
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tsmithedan... the site's broke12:59
jendadanbuch929^01:06
jendadiy.devubuntu.com01:06
danbuch929yop - seems the RSS widget from Ubuntu Counter is breaking the page01:13
danbuch929can't get a result, so connection times out01:13
poningrugrr01:14
poningrustupid lexmark x225001:14
danbuch929I'll have to peep at lastRSS.php to see if we can't trigger a workaround/fallback :-P01:14
poningrudoesnt work in linux :(01:14
danbuch929poningru: do you have any water?01:14
danbuch929poningru: you probably just have to reset the circuits.01:14
tsmithe:D01:15
poningrurofl01:18
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MenZajenda: last prints running02:23
MenZa60 round ones, 60 long stickery ones, 36 kubuntu, 36 ubuntu02:27
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jendawoohoo ;)02:30
jenda;)02:31
MenZaThat's what you requested, 'wannit?02:31
jendaI hope I can get rid of them too, some how.02:31
jenda"36 ubuntu"02:31
jendaNot sure if that's necessary ;)02:31
MenZa:D02:31
MenZaI'll send them anyway02:31
jendaSo you can keep those, if can think of a use for them 02:31
jendaIf not - send, send.02:31
MenZaNope, you take 'em :)02:31
MenZaI will :)02:32
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jenda1/2 left02:32
jenda300 years of history left ;)02:32
MenZa:O02:33
MenZa:d02:33
MenZaDo let me know when you reach Winston.02:33
MenZaChurchill, that is02:33
jendaIn Czech Legal history?02:34
jenda800-1400?02:34
jendaNot sure if his fingers were long enough ;)02:34
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MenZalol02:35
MenZaEnjoy o.o02:35
elkbuntudanbuch929, it wouldnt surprise me if i made explosive xml.. it's not a strong point of mine02:40
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jenda(1356 - when Prague became the capital of the Holy Roman Empire :) )03:01
tsmithejenda, what happened in 851?03:04
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jendatsmithe: where? ;)05:21
tsmithei was testing you on your history!05:21
jendayes - but 851 where ;)05:22
tsmitheoh05:22
tsmitheanywhere05:22
tsmithe:)05:22
tonyyarussojenda: Guernsey.05:22
jendaNever heard of it.05:22
tsmitheit's a channel island fool!05:22
jendaBut I can tell you that around that time, the Czech state was forming from the wake of Great Moravia05:22
tsmithedid you cheat and just look that up?05:24
jendaNo, I know that.05:24
tsmithewow05:24
jendaBecause that's my area ;)05:24
jenda(of expertise)05:24
tsmithehow long did it take you to learn?05:24
jendathat?05:25
jendamm05:25
tsmithewell, all your czech history05:25
jendathat's one of the first things they teach you in elementary school history :)05:26
tsmitheah05:26
jendaWell, i had to stop when I said I was at 1356 above05:26
jendaAnd I discovered the guy wanted us to know mainly 1400-162005:26
jendaso I knew none of that ;)05:26
tsmithethat's unfortunate05:27
jendabut it didn't really matter, because there was no exam - he just ticked it off in all of our indexes, for coming :)05:27
tsmithegood good05:27
jendaThere were a grand total of 5 of us there.05:27
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jendameh, still won't work.05:30
jendatsmithe: actually, after looking it up, at that time Great Moravia was still growing, and didn't even include the Czech duke-doms or whatever you call'ems yet.05:33
jendaThe Bohemian or Czech state came out of that in 88105:34
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MitchMelkbuntu, Hardware failure (both powersupplies) were "exploded" on my server. They are working on replacing them now and it should be back up within the next hour or so.05:42
MenZajenda: last prints done, look sexcellent05:43
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jendaMenZa: ooh, some sexcellent stickers? :)05:44
jendammm05:44
MenZa:D05:44
jendaMitchM: ah, that's why :)05:44
MitchMYeah - apologies.05:44
MitchMLooks like they had a nasty surge that blew up a few servers.05:44
MitchM(mine included)05:44
MitchMso they are replacing my power supplies for free.05:44
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MitchMmy poor uptime was so good too.05:45
jendaOh alright ;)05:45
MitchMso bear with and hopefully (if my MoBO didnt explode) it should be back up in the next hour or so05:46
jendaok, cool ;)05:47
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danbuchWorkMitchM: yaaaaay!05:53
MitchMHurrah !05:53
MitchM:)05:54
jendadanbuch929: see comment above about exam... I don't see why i studied at all ;)05:54
jenda(there went a precious 90 minutes of my life that I could've spent doing staff duty or flaming useless n00bs under an assumed name on a different network...)05:55
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somerville32I need a volunteer! :D06:18
danbuchWorkjenda: hilarious....   you mean I could have bugged you _that much more_ ???06:20
beunosomerville32, will it hurt?06:22
somerville32beuno: Nope :)06:22
somerville32I just need someone to help finish up UWN 2506:22
beunooh, sure06:22
beunowhat can I help with?06:22
somerville32There are two things: 1) Call for installer developers; and 2) Feisty changes06:22
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jendadanbuch929: yes - that much more :)06:23
beunook, what *specifically* do I need to do?06:23
somerville32beuno: Well, lets get it on gobby06:24
somerville32beuno: Do you know how to use gobby/do you have it installed?06:24
tsmitheCall for installer developers06:24
somerville32tsmithe: You want to help too?06:24
tsmitheperhaps06:24
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somerville32Feisty changes is a big job - we need as much help as we can get06:25
beunohas much been done since herd1?06:26
somerville32Yes.06:26
tsmithethat was cjwatson's message, wasn't it...06:26
tsmithehttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-December/023037.html06:27
somerville32Yes.06:27
somerville3272.209.68.17806:27
somerville32password: ufl@ftw06:27
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beunoI'm there06:28
tsmithewhy not on the ubuntu server!06:28
tsmithei'm there!06:28
danbuchWorkbeuno: I take it you're busy helping cody? :-)06:39
beunoI can multitask sometimes06:39
danbuchWork:-P I sure can't ...    can you talk about the diy/wordpress stuff?06:39
beunosure06:39
beunowell06:40
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beunofrom what I talked with Jenda yesterday, all howtos will be stored in the wiki06:40
danbuchWorkright06:40
beunoso, that really takes away the main reason for wordpress06:40
danbuchWorkas redundancy == bad06:40
danbuchWorkI didn't think so, really06:41
jendayes?06:41
danbuchWorkcan we still use wp for a lot of the categorization, sorting, etc.?06:41
beunowell, the thing is I think it's not worth the bloat just for that06:41
danbuchWorkhaving the HOWTO's reside on the wiki doesn't necessarily make them well-organized06:41
danbuchWorkbeuno: gotcha06:41
beunoI think it's easier/faster/better to make a custom mysql + php script06:41
danbuchWorkI'm happy with that06:42
danbuchWorkI just don't have the mysql/php chops to do it ;-)06:42
beunothat's not a problem06:42
beunoI get along very well with both06:42
beunoI'll get t done06:43
beunoand cook up some admin control panel to administrate them06:43
danbuchWorkare there some code libraries you can point me to?  anywhere I can peek in at the code so it isn't just you workin' on it?  :-D06:43
beunoand instead of pasting the actual howto, you just paste in the URL to the wiki06:43
danbuchWorkbeuno: that's precisely what we need to do06:44
danbuchWorkrather than fatten diy with copies, we're just going to fill it with URL's06:44
beunogood, then I think wp is gone06:44
danbuchWorkhehe06:44
beunoI don't think it's that much trouble06:44
beunoas soon as I can access the FTP I'l download and get working06:45
beunoshould be done in a day or so06:45
beunothen you can poke all you want  :-D06:45
danbuchWorkokie doke!06:45
danbuchWorkjenda: you catch all that?06:45
jendaI'm trying06:46
jenda06:46
danbuchWorkin brief: bye-bye wordpress, hello less code06:46
jendaI'd like to have the howtos on the wiki, but organised on our site.06:46
danbuchWork$newapproach == $dan[happy] 06:47
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danbuchWorkjenda: precisely - we're essentially turning diy into a dedicated index for all things Marketing from across the Ubuntu web universe06:48
danbuchWorksorta like Digg for DIY Marketing (?)06:48
beunoyeap06:49
beunothat's it06:49
beunoand I'll add a few things like "sort by budget"06:49
beunoand *stuff*06:49
jendacool :)06:49
jendamy thinking precisely.06:49
jendai think.06:49
jenda:)06:50
danbuchWorkdan likes a lot06:51
beunogood06:52
beunoseems "wordpress" scared both of you off06:52
beunolol06:52
danbuchWorkawwwwww... certainly not :-)06:52
danbuchWorkwe just didn't want to load up DIY with a bunch of content that really already has a home06:53
jendabeuno: I'm not scared.06:55
jendaMy courage exists through ignorance.06:55
danbuchWorkjenda: Boo!06:55
jendaI have no clue about it ;)06:55
beunook06:58
beunowell06:58
beunoI'll try to get in the ftp06:58
beunoif not06:58
beunodan, can you send me a zip with the latest?06:58
danbuchWorkwill do - let me know if you can't get in first06:58
danbuchWork:-)06:58
danbuchWorkit's BIG06:58
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beunojust the diy website07:00
beunomainly PHPs07:00
beunonot ALL of it07:00
danbuchWorkgotcha07:00
danbuchWorklemme know if the ftp don't work - I know MitchM is busy getting the server back up07:00
jendawow07:00
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beunook ok07:01
somerville32Jenda: Come help :P07:21
somerville32Feisty changes is a monster of a job07:22
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jendasomerville32: sorry, no help from me.07:22
tsmithe:(07:23
danbuchWorksomerville32: can you post the IP for gobby again?07:32
somerville3272.209.68.17807:32
danbuchWork:-(  my worky ISA server don't like07:33
danbuchWorksorry - count me out, I guess...07:33
juliuxevening07:34
somerville32juliux: Up for helping out with UWN 25?07:37
juliuxsomerville32, today?07:38
somerville32Yes07:38
somerville32Please07:38
somerville32:D07:38
juliuxsomerville32, my internet connection is to slow for gobby:( and i was 9hrs at university07:38
somerville32Go recruit people to help then ;] 07:38
juliuxsomerville32, next time i can try it07:39
jendajuliux: don't feel obliged ;)07:39
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somerville32@lart jeda07:39
somerville32;] 07:40
juliuxjenda, the problem is in the evening i have ping times aroun 5000ms so gobby is not relay fun07:40
jendahehe ;)07:41
jendaindeed.07:41
tsmitherelay fun?07:42
juliuxrealy  sorry07:42
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juliuxbeer07:42
tsmithea bear?07:42
somerville32lmao07:42
tsmithethat might be painfuk07:42
tsmithethat might be painful07:42
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tsmithenot painfuk07:42
juliuxAdmiral_Chicago, thxs07:42
tsmithea bear?07:42
tsmithedo you really want a bear?07:42
juliuxtsmithe, beer;)07:42
juliuxtsmithe, no07:42
tsmithehe gave you a bear07:42
Admiral_Chicagothat's one thing I don't need is a beer07:43
tsmitheand why is that?07:43
Admiral_Chicagoi had my fill last night.07:43
tsmithe:)07:43
somerville32Admin_Chicago: Login! We need more hands! :07:43
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juliuxsomerville32, give me the ip, i will try it07:44
Admiral_Chicagoapparently I feel asleep chatting...07:44
Admiral_Chicagosomerville32: i would07:44
somerville3272.209.68.17807:44
somerville32juliux: We use gobby07:44
Admiral_Chicagohowever I have my calculus final right now07:44
juliuxsomerville32, thxs07:44
jribsomerville32: what does helping mean?07:44
somerville32jrib: Writing ;] 07:44
somerville32We're currently doing Feisty changes07:45
topyliisn't the UWN about news? i have no idea what's happening07:45
beunobasically looking for changelogs07:45
tsmitheit's ok07:45
tsmithethe whole point is you find out07:45
beunoand making them human-friendly07:45
tsmitheit takes for ever07:45
juliuxsomerville32, it's not working07:45
tsmitheand beuno i thought you were gone! get back here now07:45
Admiral_Chicagosomerville32: I'll take a look when I get back07:45
juliuxsomerville32, which port ?07:45
tsmithegobby port07:46
tsmithe;)07:46
juliuxtsmithe, and that is which port?07:47
tsmithehang on07:47
somerville32juliux: What version of Gobby are you using?07:47
tsmithe652207:47
juliuxsomerville32, 0.4.1-ubuntu107:47
somerville32k07:47
tsmithethere's a password07:47
juliuxi didn't get a response from the server:(07:48
Admiral_Chicagohost?07:48
juliuxnot is working07:48
juliuxpassword?07:48
topylisomerville32: theoretically, i'd like to help but can't promise when i'm sick07:49
juliuxsomerville32, password pls;)07:50
topyliwhat's to it when i'm back in business? follow happenings? should i be running feisty?07:50
somerville32ufl@ftw07:50
MitchMdanbuchWork, jenda, elkbuntu: Server should be back up in a few minutes here. They have to order in some new power supplies; so I will probably schedule downtime for the server Sunday for about 15-30 minutes for them to replace the new parts.07:57
jendacool07:57
MitchM:)07:58
danbuchWorkMitchM: gotcha -  thank you!!!08:04
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MitchM... slow punks. I tell you what.08:38
somerville32Burgwork: ping08:50
Burgworksomerville32: pong08:50
somerville32burgwork: I'm a bit concerned about taking up the editor-in-chief position. Maybe we should share it?08:50
Burgworksure08:51
somerville32Awesome.08:51
Burgworkyou get to do the whipping and I will drink the gin and tonic and get the credit08:51
somerville32haha08:51
somerville32<g>08:51
somerville32Feisty Changes has made a lot of progress this morning08:52
Burgworkwhere? gobby?08:53
somerville32Yup.08:53
Burgworkif you are editing in gobby, make certain you edit the wiki page to inidicate that08:54
somerville32k08:58
Burgworkthat means removing the content from the wiki page and placing a note in its place08:59
somerville32k09:03
somerville32MitchM: Want to come help out with UWN 25?09:05
jendaBurgwork: can you have a look at DIF09:09
jendaargh09:09
Burgworkthe diff>09:09
jendaDIYWebsite09:09
Burgworknot yet, at work09:09
jendaok09:09
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tsmithewe need more help09:10
=== MenZa helps tsmithe
tsmithethere are toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo09:10
tsmitheooooooooooooooooooooo09:10
tsmithemany packages09:10
tsmitheand the number of "o"s there is not even close to being proportional to the amount of work lef09:11
tsmitheand the number of "o"s there is not even close to being proportional to the amount of work left09:11
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somerville32cellofellow, Want to help with UWN 25?09:25
cellofellowSure. What sort of thing did you have in mind?09:26
somerville32Do you have gobby?09:26
cellofellowgobby?09:27
cellofellowis that a CMS system or something?09:28
Burgworkgobby is a collabortaive editor09:29
cellofellowin the repos?09:29
Burgworkyep, but you need a non repo version if you run 6.0609:30
cellofellowEdgy here :)09:30
somerville32sudo apt-get install gobby09:30
somerville32Connect to:09:30
somerville3272.209.68.17809:30
somerville32password: ufl@ftw09:30
cellofellowk09:31
somerville32cellofellow: How is it coming?09:35
cellofellowok. it just finished installing09:36
cellofellowcan I tell gobby to forget about ZeroConf?09:38
somerville32Just click ok09:42
cellofellowyeah, I know, it's just annoying09:42
cellofellowwhhat do I do now? click UWN 25 in the Document List?09:43
Burgworkyep09:43
somerville32Wow..09:43
somerville32We're almost done feisty changes09:44
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somerville32Awesome work tsmithe and beuno!!09:44
beuno;D09:44
tsmithe:)09:44
beunoyou're just saying that to get me to do more packaged09:44
beunohehehe09:44
beunopackages09:44
somerville32hehe - is it working?09:46
beunoyes  :(09:46
somerville32:D09:47
Admiral_Chicagosomerville32: i'm back, i can help with UWN now10:01
Admiral_Chicagoport, host etc?10:01
Admiral_Chicagoi got the pw10:01
somerville3272.209.68.17810:01
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somerville32Only 22 more packages to go in Feisty changes! :D10:27
somerville32StikkitJim, Want to help?10:27
cellofellowjust curious, there's still five more months till Feisty is released. Is the Sid repo already frozen?10:31
cellofellowor forked? or whatever it's called.10:33
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topylisupposed to be compete on the 21st10:37
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topylihere's the feisty development ical: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/FeistyReleaseSchedule.ics10:38
somerville32elkbuntu, Feisty changes are almost done. When will you be able to write the Kurdish article?10:42
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jendahello Red_HerrIng 10:50
Red_HerrIngyo10:52
Red_HerrIngjenda: hrm.... have i talked to you before?10:52
jendaRed_HerrIng: no10:52
jendabut I felt someone should greet you ;)10:52
Red_HerrIngi see.10:52
Red_HerrIngwell10:52
Red_HerrIngHi.10:52
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somerville32elkbuntu, ping ping ping11:14
beunodoes it make sense to translate the UWN?11:15
beunoI can probably pitch in a bit, and fork over some work to the Argentina LoCo11:16
beunoI really should get into programming the DIY website11:16
tonyyarussobeuno: We already have some folks working on French, so if you're offering to step up to the plate for Spanish that's awesome.11:17
beunoI guess I can give it a shot, yes11:18
beunojust can't do it on my own without getting behind on the webpage11:18
tonyyarussobeuno: Right.  We need lots of people to spread the work around across the board.11:19
beunohow can I setup a Gobby server so we can do it there?11:19
Burgworksomerville32: is morning there11:19
beunoor is the current one fine to spread around?11:19
tonyyarussobeuno: We already have a gobby server up ;)11:19
beunoit's alright to give out the password?11:19
Burgworkyep11:19
Burgworkit is listed on a public wiki page11:20
tonyyarussobeuno: The French ones are on there, so presumably yours will be fine.  (It's on a public wiki - the pw)11:20
Burgworkthe password is mostly to slow down the casual drive by11:20
tonyyarussobeuno: Let somerville32 know you're doing it, so he's in the loop11:20
beunosomerville32, ping (read above)11:20
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somerville32Burgwork: When do you get off work?11:21
Burgworkin about 3 hours, but I am busy tonight11:21
somerville32UWN 25 is going to be ready to be released tonight11:21
somerville32Feisty Changes are done11:21
=== somerville32 is going to go eat.
beunogood luck with that pizza11:22
tsmithesomerville32, ring ring11:29
tsmithedo we want a kde category in the changes?11:30
tsmitheit would be bigger than the xfce category11:30
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jendaHello Rinchen :)11:36
jendaHow's life treating you?11:36
RinchenVery good this week. I revolted and told work I'm taking this week and next off. Tired of the 80 - 90 hour work weeks and all the travel.  11:37
RinchenIt's like this because they didn't get me help. Well, I have help now. :-) 11:37
RinchenHow's life treating you Jenda?11:38
RinchenI've been so busy I haven't been around much.11:38
jendaI am just on my way to get busy these coming months...11:38
jenda80-90 hr weeks/11:39
jendaphew11:39
jendathat's not right.11:39
RinchenYes, sucketh big time11:39
jendaWhat job is that?11:39
Rinchenand I"m salaried so no extra pay11:39
RinchenI work for IBM. I'm a project manager and am currently in charge of a large client's business continuity ...aka... if one of their data center's blow up, I need to ensure they keep working.11:40
jendaNot bad sounding...11:41
jendaMy life is about to enter the semestral exam period, so it's rather cruel :)11:42
RinchenI manage about 12 people directly and 250 who take business direction from me11:42
Rinchenplus I manage the client interface11:42
jendaWow!11:42
Rinchenit's actually a fun job11:42
jendanice ;)11:42
jendaWhat OS do they use?11:43
jenda11:43
Rinchenmix :-)  XP, Red Hat, AIX, Solaris11:43
jendahehe11:43
jendabetter than nothing.11:43
jenda;)11:43
Rinchentrue.11:43
jendaBTW, as a reward for passing (or failing) the exams, I'm going on a three week long trip to India.11:44
beunosounds like a very stress-inducing job  ;D11:44
=== beuno is very nosy
Rinchenbeuno, yes, just a *twitch* little strees *twitch*11:44
jendahehe11:44
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beunoI manage half a dozen servers and some days explode into million of pieces, so I can't imagine your job11:46
tsmithesomerville32, you left11:48
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tsmithecody?11:50
tsmithesomerville32?11:50
somerville32 Hi11:51
tsmithehi11:51
Rinchenbeuno, it's the same for me expect it's the people that explode not the servers :-)11:51
beunoyeah, I missed the "I" somewhere in there11:52
beuno"I" explode into pieces11:52
beunoit's pretty fun to watch I've been told11:52
=== Rinchen laughs.
danbuchWorkbeuno, jenda: we'll talk more tomorrow 'bout diy, eh?11:55
beunoyeap, I've been with the UWN all day11:56
=== jenda will try
beunobut I'll get the base MySQL tables setup today11:56
danbuchWorkbeuno: so I've read ;-)11:56
beunoand *maybe* some scripting11:56
danbuchWorkexcellent!11:56
danbuchWorktalk to you both tomorrow - I'm out of here :-)11:56
beuno(still can't connect to diy server)11:56
beunohow bout that zip before leaving?11:57
danbuchWorkbeuno: (so I saw... :-( )11:57
danbuchWorkbeuno: I'll have to send it from home when I get there11:57
beunook, thanks!11:57
danbuchWorkI don't have a copy of the branch at work (yet)  :-)11:57
danbuchWorknp11:57
danbuchWorklater all!11:57
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RinchenMitchM, is your server still down?11:57
RinchenMitchM, I know you had some issues yesterday.11:58
MitchMRinchen, Indeed it is. They're giving me the run around. They dont have the specific power supply for my server.11:58
beunooh, ok11:58
MitchMI told them to just put one in and get it online until they can get the right part...11:58
beunocan I get a ping when it's up?11:58
MitchMSure. I'll turn on ICMP when it comes online :)11:59
RinchenMitchM, thanks.11:59
MitchMThis has been one nightmare of a tech call.11:59
MitchMSorry for the down-time guys11:59
elkbuntucest la vie, mitch11:59
RinchenI still have some capacity at Dreamhost so if you are interested in doing a mirror for emergencies then we can probably arrange that.11:59
beuno;)12:00
beunonp, it happens12:00
beunoI have a couple of dedicated servers with spare space/bandwidth to12:00
beunoso I can help woth mirroring too12:00
RinchenMitchM, worst case, I have about 20gig left on my home sever. It's on a T1 so it won't handle a lot of load but it works12:03
MitchMeh -- well; *smile*12:03
RinchenMitchM, I can hook up a 30g usb drive to and hope it doesn't fry :-)12:03
MitchMIt gets quite a bit of traffic actually12:04
MitchMUbuntuCounter.org alone gets approx. 3 gig's a month of in/out12:04
beunoI've got 2 servers hooked up on peer112:04
beuno10mbit12:04
beunoabout 60gb free on each12:04
MitchMIt _should_ be up in any moment...12:04
MitchMso they say.12:04
Rinchenlol.  I wish I could take the OC43 I have a work and press it into use but I can't. 12:05
RinchenMPLS is a wonderful thing you know...12:05
MitchMmeh -- here at work we just got dual oc192's12:05
MitchMi'd love to snag a little but of that for sure.12:05
MitchMbit*12:05
tsmitheUWN 25 is done12:06
=== MitchM cheers
tsmithecongrats all who worked on it12:06
tsmitheand not all who didn't12:06
tsmithe(booo hiss)12:06
tsmithe:D12:06
=== MitchM cowers
tsmitheyou promise to help tomorrow on uwn 26?12:07
tsmithehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue2512:07
tsmithesomeone change the topic12:07
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-marketing:tsmithe] : Welcome to the Ubuntu Marketing Team's IRC channel | We're here to fix Bug #1 | Please sign up to the mailing list, ubuntu-marketing at lists.ubuntu.com | UWN 225
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-marketing:tsmithe] : Welcome to the Ubuntu Marketing Team's IRC channel | We're here to fix Bug #1 | Please sign up to the mailing list, ubuntu-marketing at lists.ubuntu.com | UWN 25
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-marketing:tsmithe] : Welcome to the Ubuntu Marketing Team's IRC channel | We're here to fix Bug #1 | Please sign up to the mailing list, ubuntu-marketing at lists.ubuntu.com | UWN 25 is out
tsmithewow i can do it!12:08
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