[12:15] <geser> try -s _"\$(datadir)/alsa/firmware"/_"\$(datadir)"_g
[12:15] <tsmithe> what's with the underscores?
[12:15] <geser> or any other delimiter you want
[12:15] <geser> it's an other delimiter
[12:16] <geser> you can choose the delimiter
[12:16] <tsmithe> it's ok
[12:16] <tsmithe> i just did
[12:16] <tsmithe> argh! what is wrong with this: sed s/"\$(datadir)\/alsa\/firmware"/"\$(datadir)"/g Makefile.*
[12:16] <Adri2000> sed 's/$(datadir)\/alsa\/firmware/$(datadir)/' Makefile.*
[12:19] <tsmithe> bah stupid failure of a script
[12:20] <Adri2000> tsmithe: what I just said doesn't work?
[12:20] <tsmithe> nah-
[12:20] <tsmithe> i was catting the wrong file!
[12:20] <tsmithe> to check
[12:20] <tsmithe> stupid me
[12:21] <Adri2000> tsmithe: you want to replace all the $(datadir)/alsa/firmware with $(datadir) right?
[12:21] <tsmithe> yes
[12:21] <tsmithe> it's fine
[12:22] <tsmithe> i did for in Makefile.*; do the sed magic $i > $i; done
[12:22] <tsmithe> damn
[12:22] <tsmithe> it just deleted the files
[12:22] <tsmithe> not what i wanted!
[12:44] <_Enchained> hi
[12:44] <_Enchained> someone to review a package ?
[12:44] <_Enchained> (it should be ok)
[12:57] <bddebian> Heya gang
[12:58] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[12:58] <bddebian> Hi sistpoty
[12:59] <_Enchained> Question...
[12:59] <_Enchained> I have a package foo.0.5 already made.
[12:59] <_Enchained> Now upstream released foo.0.8
[01:00] <_Enchained> I must simply copy the debian folder and add a hangelo entry ?
[01:00] <_Enchained> changelog*
[01:00] <crimsun_> using uupdate(1) simplifies that.
[01:03] <_Enchained> I look at it...
[01:19] <fernando> hey alll
[01:19] <fernando> s/lll/ll/
[01:28] <Ppjet> hi,
[01:28] <Ppjet>  i want to ./configure the package epdfview, but it tells me that it don't find gthread-2.0, so i search it with apt-cache search -n ghtread but i don't find too
[01:29] <Ppjet> ** gthread
[01:31] <Adri2000> ping any member of the ubuntu-dev team
[01:33] <jmantha> Adri2000: what?
[01:34] <Adri2000> jmantha: at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/k3d/+bug/64848 can you change the status of the "nomination for edgy" ?
[01:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64848 in k3d "[SRU: EDGY]   packaging typo - k3d does not install" [High,Confirmed]  
[01:38] <jdong> does every ipod purchase have to come with a day's worth of recompiling stuff, enabling h264/aac or mp4 container support?
[01:38] <jdong> :)
[01:39] <jmantha> Adri2000: well, I have no idea, the new LP doesn't make much sense here
[01:40] <Adri2000> jmantha: you just see " Nominated  for Edgy  by Adrien Cunin  " and have no way to change it?
[01:40] <jmantha> not that I can find
[01:40] <Adri2000> jmantha: look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.19/+bug/74004, it's different
[01:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74004 in udev "Doesn't include qla2xxx firmware" [High,Confirmed]  
[01:41] <jmantha> yep I've got one of those too
[01:41] <jmantha> you might ask #launchpad
[01:42] <Adri2000> already asked
 Adri2000: okay.  My understanding is that one of the Ubuntu developers can then approve the nomination if they think it is worth backporting the fix
[01:44] <jmantha> when was that?
[01:45] <Adri2000> 0029UTC
[01:45] <jmantha> well, I can't see anything
[01:48] <Adri2000> ok
[01:50] <Adri2000> geser: thanks for the merges uploaded :)
[01:50] <geser> np
[01:55] <hub> I'm gonna update gtkam in feisty
[01:55] <hub> I just released a new version
[02:05] <joejaxx> "Unknown interrupt or fault at at EIP 00000060 c0100295 00000294"
[02:05] <joejaxx> what a nice error to receive after installing ubuntu server  :)
[02:05] <joejaxx> time to chroot
[02:06] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[02:10] <joejaxx> anyone have any idea why that is happening :P
[02:11] <ajmitch> because you broke it
[02:12] <bddebian> heh
[02:12] <ajmitch> oh, bddebian is here
[02:12] <ajmitch> joejaxx: bddebian must have broken it :)
[02:13] <joejaxx> :)
[02:13] <bddebian> Yep, I broke it
[02:14] <joejaxx> well it is quite alright
[02:14] <joejaxx> i am chroot'd into the hard drive now
[02:14] <crimsun_> joejaxx: copy it down and paste into ksymoops
[02:14] <crimsun_> then take all that and file a bug :)
[02:14] <ajmitch> crimsun_!
[02:14] <joejaxx> LOL
[02:14] <crimsun_> 'lo ajmitch 
[02:15] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[02:15] <crimsun_> it's definitely going, and yourself?
[02:15] <ajmitch> things are going here too
[02:15] <ajmitch> I understand you're going away for a short time?
[02:16] <crimsun_> aye
[02:16] <crimsun_> the mythical 12hr 1min-vacation from Ubuntu
[02:16] <hub> crap I uploaded to revu instead of ubuntu :-/
[02:16] <ajmitch> ah
[02:16] <hub> actually the other way would be worse
[02:16] <ajmitch> crimsun_: off to HK?
[02:16] <bddebian> 12hrs without crimsun_??  What will we do?
[02:16] <crimsun_> ajmitch: ja
[02:16] <ajmitch> how long will you be there?
[02:17] <crimsun_> ajmitch: ~2 days
[02:17] <crimsun_> bddebian: you'll have tea and crumpets?
[02:17] <bddebian> heh
[02:17] <joejaxx> lol
[02:17] <ajmitch> crimsun_: that's a fair distance to go for 2 days
[02:18] <crimsun_> ajmitch: it's to catch up with my folks, who are there now
[02:18] <ajmitch> ah right
[02:18] <crimsun_> I'm lagging; I'll spend some days with my sister in California, then we'll fly over to HK
[02:18] <ajmitch> how long would the flight be?
[02:18] <crimsun_> ~18 hours
[02:19] <ajmitch> painful
[02:19] <crimsun_> yeah, and there's just one meal :)
[02:19] <ajmitch> heh
[02:19] <crimsun_> I got an exit row, though, so at least my legs won't be cramped
[02:19] <minghua> from California to HK for 18 hours?
[02:19] <minghua> that's longer than I thought
[02:19] <joejaxx> well austrilia to california is a while
[02:20] <joejaxx> australia*
[02:21] <crimsun_> ooh, soyuz took a restroom break?
[02:22] <crimsun_> ajmitch: nice, where to?
[02:22] <ajmitch> yeah, seems like soyuz decided to crash-land
[02:22] <ajmitch> just visiting parents, and then up in christchurch
[02:22] <ajmitch> no overseas travel this time
[02:22] <crimsun_> ah, excellent, have a good time
[02:23] <ajmitch> parents only have dialup, and I'll be 10 days without a computer in christchurch :)
[02:23] <crimsun_> I have a 4-hr layover in Las Vegas, so I'll be able to hit up the first day of the REVU sprint at least
[02:23] <bddebian> I don't suppose I could convince either of you to look at libparagui for me?
[02:23] <ajmitch> so it should be good
[02:23] <crimsun_> yes, vacation++
[02:24] <ajmitch> bddebian: why, what's the problem with it now?
[02:25] <bddebian> ajmitch: I need another ack don't ?
[02:25] <bddebian> Err don't I? :)
[02:26] <ajmitch> a number of motus don't bother with revu & just upload anyway
[02:26] <crimsun_> ouch
[02:26] <ajmitch> it happens
[02:26] <ajmitch> though we don't have many doing new packages
[02:27] <ajmitch> I've been guilty of it myself, though I'd often get a quick check from someone
[02:28] <bddebian> Hmm, merges, reviews, or gnumach tonight...
[02:28] <ajmitch> all of the above
[02:28] <bddebian> heh
[02:32] <bddebian> ajmitch: So are you telling me that I should just upload it? ;-P
[02:33] <ajmitch> I didn't say that
[02:33] <bddebian> hehe
[02:33] <ajmitch> so ignore me again :)
[02:35] <bddebian> Bah, I can't do that, you're my hero :-)
[02:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: I suggest you get some help then
[02:53] <_Enchained> someone for taking a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3811 ? please
[02:57] <bddebian> _Enchained: Give me a few minutes
[02:57] <_Enchained> thanks bddebian
[03:04] <bddebian> _Enchained: I thought you said new upstream release was 0.0.8?
[03:05] <_Enchained> bddebian: where ?
[03:05] <bddebian> Earlier. Or was that just an example? :-)
[03:05] <_Enchained> it was an example
 I have a package foo.0.5 already made.
 Now upstream released foo.0.8
[03:05] <bddebian> Ah, OK
[03:06] <_Enchained> in fact it's 0.0.5 -> 0.0.9
[03:06] <_Enchained> for this package
[03:06] <bddebian> So I noticed :)
[03:09] <_Enchained> The package looks fine ? bddebian
[03:09] <bddebian> So far.  I'm test building now
[03:09] <_Enchained> ok
[03:10] <_Enchained> lintian doesn't return errors but I don't know all the points to check...
[03:11] <bddebian> Couple of minor things
[03:11] <bddebian> I would remove all the example comments out of debian/rules
[03:12] <bddebian> Also since it never made it into Ubuntu, I would remove the 0.0.5 changelog entry, but that's just me, I don't know if that is "policy"
[03:12] <_Enchained> ok
[03:13] <_Enchained> How can I know for the changelog ?
[03:13] <_Enchained> asking somebody special ?
[03:14] <mr_pouit> I was already asked to do so ;)
[03:14] <bddebian> _Enchained: crimsun_ knows all :-)
[03:15] <_Enchained> ok ^^
[03:37] <_Enchained> (bddebian: I updated with the two changes)
[03:37] <bddebian> Great
[03:39] <_Enchained> but advocate system is strange, when updating, it restart..
[03:41] <bddebian> _Enchained: That is the case, but I have already re-advocated :-)
[03:41] <_Enchained> Yes I saw. thanks :)
[03:58] <bddebian> Why does packages.ubuntu.com show libmtp 0.1.0 but clicking on it gives details of libmtp 0.0.18?
[04:00] <ajmitch> because it's broken
[04:00] <ajmitch>    libmtp2 | 0.0.18-0ubuntu2 | http://apt-proxy feisty/main Packages
[04:00] <ajmitch>     libmtp | 0.1.0-0ubuntu1 | http://apt-proxy feisty/main Sources
[04:00] <bddebian> The package or packages.u.c?
[04:00] <ajmitch> the package
[04:00] <bddebian> Hmm
[04:00] <ajmitch> broken, or it's due to soyuz fun
[04:15] <imbrandon> What do you get if you multiply six by nine?
[04:15] <ajmitch> 42, of course
[04:15] <imbrandon> :)
[04:16] <imbrandon> did you know if you type "answer to life the universe and everything?" ( lower case only ) google caclulator will spit out 42
[04:16] <imbrandon> thats some funny stuff
[04:16] <ajmitch> haha
[04:17] <somerville32> imbrandon: I haven't logged into your box for a few days but I do plan to use the account.
[04:17] <somerville32> Just letting you know because I'd hate to have it deleted, ;] 
[04:17] <imbrandon> somerville32: np, i dont really track useage or anything :)
[04:17] <somerville32> Ah, k
[04:17] <somerville32> :] 
[04:17] <imbrandon> i email when i clean up accounts or if i plan to have the box down a longish time
[04:17] <imbrandon> for upgrades and such
[04:18] <imbrandon> ( or try to )
[04:19] <ajmitch> and I still don't have an account :)
[04:20] <zul> thats probably a good thing
[04:20] <ajmitch> yeah
[04:20] <zul> i need a faster computer
[04:21] <ajmitch> go buy one
[04:21] <ajmitch> katie won't mind
[04:21] <imbrandon> heh
[04:22] <zul> yeah she would mind...its like hobsee with a pointy stick of doom which is much more painful
[04:22] <imbrandon> lol
[04:22] <zul> and real..
[04:22] <zul> 5 words....balls...vice..grip...ripped off
[04:23] <ajmitch> hah
[05:13] <somerville32> I just noticed that a package with the name "sun-java5 1.5.0-10-1" was accepted to Feisty.
[05:14] <somerville32> Why doesn't it have "ubuntu"?
[05:14] <imbrandon> probably because there isnt local ubuntu changes
[05:14] <imbrandon> only about 1000 out of 20k + packages have *ubuntu* in the name
[05:15] <somerville32> Oh, I thought all packages got ubuntu appended to prevent confusion between Ubuntu and Debian packages.
[05:15] <bddebian> Nope, just those that have Ubuntu specific changes
[05:15] <somerville32> kk
[05:15] <imbrandon> no 19000 packages are streight from debian , the resonaing for the ubuntu in the name of some packages is there are local changes
[05:16] <nixternal> woohoo!!! got me a job
[05:17] <imbrandon> take foo_1.3-4ubuntu3 version , it means package "foo" upstream version 1.3 , debian revision 4 ( thus the -4 ) and ubuntu revision ( ontop of debians ) 3 ( the ubuntu3 )
[05:17] <imbrandon> thus a package thats NOT in debian has -0ubutnuX ( the 0 means no debian revision )
[05:17] <imbrandon> and so on
[05:18] <somerville32> kk :] 
[05:18] <imbrandon> so 1.5.0-10 is the upstream in this case and -1 at the end is the debian first upload and since there is no ubuntu changes to the package there is no ubuntuX on it
[05:18] <imbrandon> upstream should be killed for using -10 in the version number though, but hey what can you do :)
[05:26] <imbrandon> nixternal: where?
[05:27] <ajmitch> nixternal: congrats
[05:27] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[05:27] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon 
[05:28] <PuMpErNiCkEl> nixternal: props
[05:28] <nixternal> Chicago Cubs
[05:28] <nixternal> lol
[05:28] <nixternal> consultancy spot for the "Business Aspects & Marketing" teams
[05:29] <ajmitch> scary
[05:29] <nixternal> hehe, tell me about it
[05:30] <nixternal> it will be over 2 projects, 1 pr related (which i absolutely hate) and 1 fundamentals of management organisation (which is really fun)
[05:31] <nixternal> why the cubs are structuring management i don't know, they need to structure the team first ;p
[05:32] <bddebian> heh
[05:33] <nixternal> the money is great, and the tickets better be free
[05:56] <joejaxx> Hello Everyone
[05:56] <bddebian> Heya joejaxx
[05:57] <joejaxx> :)
[05:57] <joejaxx> bddebian: how is everything?
[05:58] <bddebian> Just dandy, thanks. You?
[05:58] <joejaxx> i am well at the current moment
[06:00] <jmantha> hi joejaxx and bddebian 
[06:00] <bddebian> Heya jmantha
[06:00] <joejaxx> hello jmantha 
[06:00] <ajmitch> hi joejaxx and bddebian and jmantha 
[06:00] <joejaxx> hello ajmitch 
[06:00] <jmantha> ajmitch!
[06:00] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[06:07] <joejaxx> jmantha: oh btw i developed version .1 of the lcbuildd
[06:08] <joejaxx> jmantha: i use it to build the fluxbuntu feisty images
[06:09] <jmantha> what does lcbuildd do?
[06:10] <joejaxx> right now all it does is build livecds
[06:10] <joejaxx> but i am going to have it build debian install cds also
[06:12] <jmantha> how does it work?
[06:16] <joejaxx> jmantha: well basically there are configuration files
[06:16] <joejaxx> and you call it with
[06:16] <joejaxx> lcbuildd -b release
[06:17] <joejaxx> release being based off dapper/edgy/feisty etc
[06:17] <imbrandon> joejaxx: got it packaged? i would love to use it a bit
[06:17] <joejaxx> and it builds based off of the data in the configuration files
[06:17] <joejaxx> imbrandon: nope lol
[06:17] <imbrandon> heh
[06:17] <joejaxx> i do not have it packaged
[06:17] <joejaxx> lol
[06:17] <imbrandon> how about a tar ?
[06:17] <imbrandon> lol
[06:18] <joejaxx> lol
[06:18] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[06:18] <imbrandon> gnight bddebian 
[06:18] <joejaxx> Goodnight bddebian :)
[06:18] <imbrandon> and joejaxx imho i would drop the last d on lcbuildd as it dosent actualy compile anything
[06:19] <imbrandon> :)
[06:19] <imbrandon> just my 0.2c
[06:19] <joejaxx> well this is just v .1
[06:19] <joejaxx> :)
[06:44] <jmantha> anybody running opensuse?
[06:44] <Hobbsee> jmantha: likely not.  try #suse
[06:44] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee 
[06:45] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch 
[06:45] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: that is LaserJock
[06:45] <Burgundavia> hey jmantha
[06:45] <Hobbsee> oh yeah.  oops
[06:45] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: yes
[06:45] <imbrandon> err Hobbsee yea
[06:45] <ajmitch> the response still stands
[06:45] <ajmitch> jmantha: go to #suse, you heathen
[06:45] <Burgundavia> all these people switching to name-based nicks
[06:45] <ajmitch> I would switch
[06:45] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: yes, they suck
[06:45] <ajmitch> but it would confuse too many people
[06:46] <shobbs> see, it doesnt work...
[06:46] <ajmitch> shobbs!
[06:46] <Burgundavia> much easier when Kamion was Kamion and Laserjock and Laserjock and tseng was tseng
[06:46] <Sarah> yes
[06:46] <LaserJock> fine
[06:46] <Sarah> good LaserJock 
[06:46] <ajmitch> being known as Sarah may attract unwelcome attention in some large channels
[06:46] <Burgundavia> none of this letting new people have an easy time in our little club
[06:46] <LaserJock> anyway, I just was testing it opensuse out but I can't figure out how to get an ssh server working
[06:46] <Sarah> ajmitch: having my full name in there already attracts unwelcome attention.  in fact, just being female does
[06:46] <ajmitch> besides, who knows you as sarah around here?
[06:46] <ajmitch> you're always hobbsee
[06:47] <Sarah> ajmitch: the people who are strange and refer to me as sarah
[06:47] <ajmitch> odd people
[06:47] <Sarah> heh
[06:47] <Sarah> yes
[06:47] <imbrandon> LaserJock: install openssh ?
[06:47] <LaserJock> I think I did :/
[06:47] <Burgundavia> right, you need to start it
[06:47] <imbrandon> did you start the sshd ? /etc/init.d/ssh
[06:47] <Burgundavia> with debian, upon install the daemon is started, by policy
[06:48] <imbrandon> suse it isnt
[06:48] <LaserJock> oh, that's sort of lame
[06:48] <imbrandon> err anything else it isnt
[06:48] <Burgundavia> with most RH-based distros, you need to explicitly start it
[06:48] <LaserJock> at least for ssh
[06:48] <Burgundavia> and how I know that, don't ask
[06:48] <LaserJock> well, I know why
[06:49] <imbrandon> well debian based distros have this thing about only install what you need and run whats installed, RH based ( rpm ) distros just install everything and only run whats needed when told to , thus in RPM ssh client and ssh server arent split up
[06:50] <imbrandon> e.g. makes it really tough to get a rpm distro in a small space
[06:55] <nixternal> imbrandon: how come you can't leave comments on seeles blog?
[06:55] <imbrandon> nixternal: not all her posts ( only lately ) has she been turning on comments
[06:55] <nixternal> ahhh
[06:56] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: anything interesting in kaffein 0.8.3?
[06:57] <imbrandon> not that i have noticed
[06:57] <imbrandon> lot more stable
[06:57] <imbrandon> seems
[06:57] <Burgundavia> ok
[06:57] <imbrandon> libmtp hit 1.0
[06:57] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: ^\
[06:58] <Burgundavia> it will be covered, no fears
[06:58] <imbrandon> okies :)
[06:58] <Burgundavia> or that a comment on the kaffeine thingy?
[06:58] <imbrandon> no libmtp is a amarok thingie
[06:59] <imbrandon> ( for MS device support )
[06:59] <Burgundavia> right
[06:59] <imbrandon> but it went from 0.18 to 1.0 reciently ( in feisty )
[06:59] <imbrandon> so its a huge improvement 
[07:01] <Sarah> imbrandon: need kaffeine packaged?
[07:01] <Sarah> oh it's done
[07:01] <imbrandon> :)
[07:06] <imbrandon> heh gave up on Sarah ?
[07:06] <imbrandon> that was fast
[07:07] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: realised i had no ops on it
[07:07] <imbrandon> ahh
[07:07] <imbrandon> nixternal: ping
[07:07] <nixternal> yo yo
[07:07] <imbrandon> whats that irssi script that puts the names on the right 
[07:07] <nixternal> nicklist.pl
[07:08] <imbrandon> for the chan your in ?
[07:08] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[07:08] <imbrandon> is there one to make chan name "tabs" 
[07:08] <nixternal> it is cool, but if you copy & paste alot (like the open week even i did with you) you gotta watch that you don't grab names and it gets in the paste
[07:08] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:08] <imbrandon> i dont copy from irc much
[07:09] <nixternal> dunno about chan name tabs at all
[07:09] <nixternal> tabs like hwo?  where it shows the name instead of the #?
[07:10] <imbrandon> like where it shows the name instead of s/Act: 1,2,3/Act: 1#chan1,2#chan2/ etc etc etc
[07:10] <nixternal> chanlist.pl
[07:10] <imbrandon> hum i tired that one but its only a single row, i guess i could hack it
[07:10] <nixternal> then you have to create a custom bar thing (forgot what that is called at the bottom)
[07:10] <nixternal> nah it is as easy as /statusbar blah blah blah   do /help statusbar
[07:11] <nixternal> it took me a couple of times
[07:14] <imbrandon> hrm
[07:14] <imbrandon> i loaded it
[07:14] <imbrandon> but no list
[07:16] <imbrandon> ahh there we go
[07:17] <nixternal> ya, it has to do the screen w/in a screen thing
[07:17] <imbrandon> yea
[07:17] <imbrandon> i already run in screen so no biggie
[07:17] <nixternal> you want another god send for irssi?
[07:17] <imbrandon> sure
[07:18] <nixternal> http://f0rked.com/articles/irssi#Customizing_Irssis_Display
[07:18] <nixternal> Highlight Window
[07:18] <nixternal> so when you are away, or in another channel..it spits out the highlights in a split screen
[07:19] <nixternal> so i can see if i can continue on with my conversation in this channel, or if it is important enough for me to bother breaking my concentration
[07:19] <imbrandon> right
[07:20] <nixternal> my only problem is i run irssi on my server, so hilights don't beep for me
[07:28] <imbrandon> woot 
[07:28] <imbrandon> i think i finaly got it the way i like it now
[07:29] <imbrandon> leaste for now
[07:29] <nixternal> ya i tweaked my own theme to my liking..talk about fun (NOT)
[07:49] <imbrandon> ...
[07:49] <nixternal> ...
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> ...
[08:35] <PuMpErNiCkEl> ...
[08:58] <imbrandon> /save/win 11
[08:58] <imbrandon> err
[08:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you could stop using a sucky client?
[08:59] <imbrandon> heh
[09:00] <imbrandon> i'm just now getting used to it and getting it configed the way i like
[09:23] <fabo> ryanakca: pong
[09:37] <Burgundavia> ok, debian has a whacked release strategy
[09:37] <Burgundavia> everything is a RC-critical bug, even for really stupid packages
[09:58] <azeem> Burgundavia: Debian just drops those stupid packages if the RC bugs don't get fixed soonish
[09:58] <Burgundavia> azeem: right, however, they still occupy mindspace and all the attendant headaches that causes
[10:16] <Adri2000> an ubuntu-core-dev is needed to accept the nomination for edgy bug 64848, thanks :)
[10:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64848 in k3d "[SRU: EDGY]   packaging typo - k3d does not install" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64848
[10:16] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: wrong, it's only -dev
[10:17] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: they've approved it, too.  i'm about to upload it
[10:17] <Adri2000> Hobbsee: I mean, in malone
[10:17] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: will do, after i upload it
[10:17] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: going to test it out, when it hits the archives?
[10:20] <Adri2000> Hobbsee: currently I see " Nominated  for Edgy  by Adrien Cunin  " but I can't change that, can you?
[10:22] <Adri2000> Hobbsee: look at bug 67361 for example
[10:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67361 in gaim "Gaim crashes after startup (strcmp) [NO MORE CRASH FILES NEEDED] " [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67361
[10:22] <Adri2000> see it's different, and it seems that only the core-devs can change that
[10:22] <Hobbsee> !sru
[10:22] <Fujitsu> Adri2000, isn't the new release management stuff terrific?
[10:23] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: gaim's in main.
[10:23] <Hobbsee> of course only core-devs can change it
[10:23] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, *bzzt*
[10:23] <Hobbsee> !info gaim feisty
[10:23] <Hobbsee> gah
[10:23] <Adri2000> I know I know :)
[10:24] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, nobody I've seen has permissions to approve release targetting.
[10:24] <Adri2000> only core-devs, and even for universe packages
[10:24] <Hobbsee> well no, i just meant that it was different
[10:24] <Hobbsee> weird
[10:24] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, this is what happens when LP introduces new features.
[10:24] <Hobbsee> hehe, yes
[10:25] <tsmithe> in a package's postinst; i can't grasp when abort-upgrade is called. is that when someone has aborted the installation of a new package?
[10:25] <Fujitsu> Like the whole non-Ubuntu distribution task thing complete regression.
[10:25] <tsmithe> to a new package; that should have been
[10:25] <Fujitsu> I find it impressive that the silly release management stuff did that...
[10:28] <Adri2000> Hobbsee, Fujitsu: on LP you see "nominate" or "target" "for release"?
[10:29] <Hobbsee> yes
[10:29] <Adri2000> nominate or target? :)
[10:29] <Fujitsu> Adri2000, I get the same end result as you.
[10:29] <Fujitsu> I've done it for a number of bugs now.
[10:29] <Hobbsee> nominate
[10:29] <Fujitsu> Yes, that one, I think.
[10:29] <Fujitsu> Yep, that's it.
[10:30] <Adri2000> ok, and gpocentek, core-dev, you see what?
[10:30] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: uploaded
[10:30] <gpocentek> Hobbsee: he's here :)
[10:31] <gpocentek> Hobbsee: I have a "target to distro" link, not nominate
[10:31] <Hobbsee> gpocentek: ahh
[10:32] <Fujitsu> More dependence on core-dev. Great.
[10:32] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:32] <Hobbsee> it's just a bug
[10:32] <Adri2000> I hope
[10:33] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, one of many!
[10:33] <Hobbsee> well, yeah
[10:33] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: GET FIXING THEN!  :p
[10:33] <Sp4rKy> hi there
[10:33] <Adri2000> gpocentek: so, can you target the k3d bug to edgy please, as it's already fixed in feisty and is being fixed by Hobbsee in edgy
[10:34] <gpocentek> Adri2000: I guess I can do that
[10:34] <Fujitsu> Managed to completely break non-Ubuntu distro tasks, made a couple of tasks vanish...
[10:34] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Deary me
[10:34] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Bitter much?
[10:35] <Adri2000> gpocentek: can you actually do it please? :p
[10:35] <Fujitsu> StevenK, 'course not. Not at all.
[10:35] <gpocentek> Adri2000: I can only target to breezy, dapper and feisty, not edgy...
[10:35] <StevenK> Oh wait, Fujitsu isn't bitter, just laden down with teen angst.
[10:35] <gpocentek> one more bug I guess
[10:36] <Fujitsu> gpocentek: Is there an accept button next to the proposal, or something?
[10:36] <Adri2000> yeah, there should be something like that
[10:37] <gpocentek> ah right
[10:37] <Fujitsu> Though, it is LP.
[10:37] <Fujitsu> gpocentek, is there?
[10:37] <gpocentek> there is an accept/deny link
[10:37] <gpocentek> approve/decline
[10:37] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[10:38] <Fujitsu> It'd be nice if the permissions system actually worked over that.
[10:38] <gpocentek> Adri2000: done
[10:38] <Adri2000> thanks :)
[10:51] <tsmithe> what is sru?
[10:51] <Adri2000> stable release update
[10:51] <tsmithe> aha
[10:51] <tsmithe> more bureaucracy then
[10:52] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: what for?  they do actually ack things
[10:52] <Hobbsee> tsmithe: hopefully avoiding breakage
[10:52] <tsmithe> of course
[10:52] <tsmithe> Hobbsee, i never said it was bad :)
[10:52] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:52] <tsmithe> :P
[10:53] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, according to BjornT it's `not impossible' that the permissions for targetting bugs will be changed in the future.
[10:53] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[10:54] <Fujitsu> Thus, we are going to need core-dev approval for all SRUs into the distant future.
[10:54] <Adri2000> :-|
[10:54] <Hobbsee> bah.   who says you need LP for that in particular?
[10:55] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, screwing around with the main task's status is counter-productive.
[10:55] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: true.  hence people are ignoring it
[10:55] <Fujitsu> Ignoring it?
[10:56] <Fujitsu> What's this `it'?
[10:56] <sivang> morning
[10:56] <Hobbsee> the targetting release
[10:57] <Fujitsu> It was being used before this regression.
[10:58] <Hobbsee> true that
[10:58] <Hobbsee> and for backports
[10:59] <Fujitsu> I wasn't particularly pleased when I attempted to initiate SRUs for a couple of packages and found that I couldn't.
[10:59] <tsmithe> urgh!!! i am so dumb!
[11:01] <tsmithe> finally! it works
[11:12] <tsmithe> hmmm... why would dpatching in dpkg-buildpackage work and not debuild
[11:25] <Sp4rKy> please, i want to install a .py software
[11:26] <Sp4rKy> but the install cript is bash like
[11:26] <Sp4rKy> can i use DEB_PYTHON_SETUP_CMD := install.sh ?
[11:27] <Sp4rKy> or a way to disable the exec of install script ?
[11:33] <tsmithe> Sp4rKy, are you using CDBS?
[11:33] <tsmithe> guess not...
[11:34] <Sp4rKy> i am
[11:34] <tsmithe> ok
[11:35] <tsmithe> i think it would be DEB_PYTHON_SETUP_CMD
[11:35] <Sp4rKy> ok
[11:35] <Sp4rKy> i'll try
[11:35] <Sp4rKy> thx
[11:35] <tsmithe> or you can just use dh_pysupport with a .install file
[11:35] <Sp4rKy> oh, yep
[11:36] <Sp4rKy> can be a good idea
[11:36] <Sp4rKy> so just need to add "dh_pysupprt package.install" 
[11:36] <Sp4rKy> to the install/package:: section ?
[11:36] <tsmithe> have a look at my very simple rules file here
[11:36] <tsmithe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37727/
[11:37] <tsmithe> and the asoundconf-gtk.install file that goes with it
[11:37] <tsmithe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37728/
[11:37] <tsmithe> it's a simple package, but it's a simple method nonetheless
[11:37] <Sp4rKy> ok
[11:37] <Sp4rKy> it should be good for my package
[11:37] <tsmithe> or you can use your script
[11:37] <Sp4rKy> thx
[11:37] <tsmithe> it's up to you
[11:37] <tsmithe> :)
[11:37] <Sp4rKy> :)
[11:59] <macogw> hey guys, i'm building OOo 2.1 from source then going to attempt to package it up, but it wants javac, which isn't in the Ubuntu repos, so should I try packaging that up first?
[11:59] <macogw> or find a deb of it to point you guys at
[12:00] <Hobbsee> macogw: how good's your machine?
[12:01] <macogw> what?
[12:01] <Fujitsu> macogw, note that OOo will take a good 12 hours to compile, even on a fast machine.
[12:01] <macogw> yeesh
[12:01] <macogw> maybe this isnt a good idea...
[12:02] <Fujitsu> Definitely not.
[12:02] <Fujitsu> I'm sure d*oko  will handle it.
[12:02] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yeah, on a day where the buildds arnet needed.
[12:02] <macogw> oh hobbsee, that's a good point....
[12:03] <macogw> i was gonna try gentoo
[12:03] <macogw> hm
[12:03] <tsmithe> urgh.... i had gentoo...
[12:03] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: how about finding out if upstream k3d needs larting?
[12:03] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, I don't do KDE, especially when they put Makefiles in their tarballs.
[12:03] <realist> Depends on the machine, I've access to a xeon quad core @ 3.0GHz
[12:04] <tsmithe> now that's just crazy
[12:04] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: even larting htem cos they suck?
[12:04] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, correct.
[12:04] <Hobbsee> awww
[12:04] <Fujitsu> I learnt better than to criticise KDE when you/imbrandon are around.
[12:04] <Fujitsu> Hm
[12:06] <macogw> is there a list anywhere of stuff that needs to be packaged?
[12:06] <tsmithe> anything that's not in ubuntu
[12:06] <tsmithe> :)
[12:06] <tsmithe> or on revu
[12:07] <Hobbsee> there is, yes
[12:07] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: *grin*
[12:07] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: find macogw the list, bitte :)
[12:07] <tsmithe> that's unfair delegation!
[12:07] <gpocentek> macogw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[12:07] <Hobbsee> tsmithe: i'm dealing with k3d.
[12:07] <tsmithe> i see
[12:07] <Fujitsu> tsmithe, never say that around Hobbsee :P
[12:08] <Fujitsu> She's god.
[12:08] <Fujitsu> You'll learn, you'll learn.
[12:08] <tsmithe> goddess surely
[12:08] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:08] <Hobbsee> yes, goddess
[12:09] <tsmithe> :)
[12:18] <tsmithe> why are the packages on revu in a random order?!
[12:19] <Fujitsu> tsmithe, to get to the other side.
[12:19] <tsmithe> ?
[12:19] <Hobbsee> tsmithe: by number of approvals, i think
[12:19] <tsmithe> i don't think so
[12:20] <Fujitsu> *himself
[12:21] <tsmithe> bah
[12:21] <tsmithe> ok
[12:21] <tsmithe> i can't
[12:21] <tsmithe> No revision control details recorded for trunk
[12:21] <tsmithe> ""
[12:23] <gpocentek> https://code.launchpad.net/people/revu-hackers/+branch/revu/trunk
[12:24] <tsmithe> aha
[12:25] <tsmithe> aha
[12:25] <tsmithe> it's ordered by "needswork"
[12:26] <tsmithe> i think it should be ordered by dateofupload
[12:26] <tsmithe> ..
[12:26] <tsmithe> siretart, you're not away...
[12:27] <tsmithe> can you answer that?
[12:29] <tsmithe> ok... perhaps he is
[12:47] <macogw> ummm i'm confused by the debian how-to-package site.  it's talking about if there's a makefil.in and stuff, but nothing named makefile ever showed up.  i *think* it's because the program is python not c so its "python install.py install" not "make" "make install" but i'm not sure.
[01:02] <palski> If the package is in main, Motu cannot upload it?
[01:03] <Fujitsu> palski, correct.
[01:04] <Hobbsee> palski: subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors
[01:06] <palski> ok, thanks
[01:06] <Hobbsee> instead of universe
[01:18] <siretart> tsmithe: I'm sort of here, yes
[01:19] <tsmithe> aha
[01:19] <tsmithe> well... why isn't it ordered by dateofupload?
[01:20] <siretart> what? revu?
[01:22] <tsmithe> yes
[01:23] <tsmithe> the index.py source shows the sql query to be ordered by needswork
[01:23] <Fujitsu> Which somewhat makes sense.
[01:23] <tsmithe> it would be more intuitive (and less visibly random) to order by dateofupload
[01:23] <Fujitsu> needswork then dateofupload probably makes more.
[01:23] <tsmithe> hmm
[01:23] <tsmithe> but is needswork just boolean?
[01:25] <tsmithe> if so, then it could also be ordered, within the 1 and 0 of needswork by dateofupload, couldn't it
[02:13] <daya> raphink, hi
[02:13] <raphink> hi daya
[02:13] <daya> raphink, o.k 
[02:13] <daya> raphink, then in what way we contribute here?
[02:19] <tsmithe> packaging
[02:38] <christopherl> how do you disable a device in Device Manager?
[03:00] <tsmithe> christopherl, Device manager?
[03:07] <sistpoty|uni> hi folks
[03:15] <\sh> moins
[03:15] <sistpoty|uni> hi \sh 
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:02] <sistpoty|uni> hi bddebian
[04:02] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty|uni
[04:12] <tsmithe> hi bddebian
[04:23] <pochu> hello everyone!
[04:24] <pochu> is any motu here?
[04:25] <sistpoty|uni> hi pochu 
[04:25] <sistpoty|uni> yep
[04:25] <pochu> hi
[04:25] <pochu> I'm wondering if it would be possible that someone make a .deb of sunbird and include it on the repos
[04:25] <pochu> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/75494
[04:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75494 in Ubuntu "Include mozilla sunbird on Feisty repositories" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[04:25] <pochu> lol
[04:25] <pochu> nice boot
[04:25] <pochu> :D
[04:26] <Adri2000> crimsun_: you forgot to subscribe ubuntu-archive for the sync of blogtk :p I have done it now
[04:27] <pochu> what do you say about that?
[04:28] <phanatic> pochu: is sunbird not packaged for debian?
[04:29] <pochu> it is, but an old version of it
[04:29] <pochu> 0.3 alpha1
[04:29] <pochu> and in mozilla.org, the stable version is 0.3, and the development is 0.5alpha1
[04:30] <Adri2000> I don't see any package named "sunbird"
[04:30] <Adri2000> but there is an ITP: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=266824
[04:30] <sistpoty|uni> Adri2000: it's in experimental
[04:30] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 266824 in wnpp "ITP: mozilla-sunbird -- standalone calendar application based on Mozilla's" [Wishlist,Open]  
[04:30] <Adri2000> ah
[04:31] <pochu> yes, experimental and unstable
[04:31] <sistpoty|uni> pochu: debian renamed all the mozilla packages due to trademark probs
[04:31] <pochu> but wouldn't be possible to include it on ubuntu universe repository?
[04:31] <sistpoty|uni> pochu: imo, we should have sunbird already synced from debian (didn't see it in the sync blacklist)... so the question is rather what the new name is
[04:32] <pochu> i'm going to see what is the new name
[04:32] <Adri2000> sistpoty|uni: where is the sync blacklist?
[04:32] <sistpoty|uni> Adri2000: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/sync-blacklist.txt
[04:33] <sistpoty|uni> pochu: not sure about this though... maybe it was not yet renamed in debian...
[04:33] <pochu> what is the name of firefox?
[04:34] <sistpoty|uni> pochu: iceweasel
[04:37] <sistpoty|uni> pochu: no, couldn't find s.th. in debian... well, we could sync sunbird from experimental...
[04:37] <sistpoty|uni> (in case it builds)
[04:37] <pochu> sistpoty|uni: and what about doing a .deb with 0.3?
[04:37] <sistpoty|uni> pochu: if anyone volunteers to do it, why not ;)
[04:38] <pochu> because sunbird in debian experimental is 0.3alpha1
[04:38] <sistpoty|uni> (though the whole mozilla stuff is not really trivial)
[04:38] <Lathiat> hrm, it seems ipv6 firewalling in dapper is entirely almost useless
[04:38] <pochu> and after that there have been some new releases
[04:38] <Lathiat> -j ACCEPT and -j REJECT dont seem to exist
[04:38] <pochu> ok sistpoty|uni
[04:38] <pochu> I will look for a volunteer
[04:39] <pochu> :D
[04:39] <sistpoty|uni> pochu: might als be worth to contact ian jackson, since he's maintaining firefox and co already (at least iirc)
[04:39] <sistpoty|uni> maybe he has some plans
[04:39] <pochu> ok
[04:40] <pochu> I'm going to email him
[04:40] <pochu> or subscribe him to my report on LP
[04:40] <sistpoty|uni> hehe
[04:41] <pochu> I've already subscribed him
[04:44] <pochu> sunbird is not in debian with any other name
[04:44] <pochu> ice*
[05:11] <nixternal> imho the kdm login screen, the new big fat black dots, we need a bigger password box or what not, because it only shows like 4 or 5 big dots, personally it looks kind of ugly
[05:22] <nixternal> hrmm
[05:22] <nixternal> it seems since i have changed my windows around in irssi, i am posting to the wrong channels now :)
[05:23] <bddebian> heh
[05:23] <nixternal> watch this
[06:39] <\sh> guys, does anyone know a util, where you can log the typed commands from bash in a logfile...but not .bash_history alike?
[06:41] <zorglu_> hmm there is one 
[06:41] <zorglu_> 'script' i think or close
[06:41] <\sh> I thought about sudosh or something similar..
[06:41] <zorglu_> yep this is the one i though about 'man script'
[06:43] <zorglu_> does it fit your needs ?
[06:44] <\sh> nope..it needs to be transparent...
[06:44] <\sh> I think sudosh suites better, but the last release was 2005
[06:44] <\sh> hmmm hmmm hmmm
[06:44] <zorglu_> i think i dont understand what you want :)
[06:44] <\sh> a login shell, which logs all input and output into something like syslog :)
[06:45] <\sh> sudosh is doing that...and it logs even root shells invoked via su and sudo ;)
[06:45] <zorglu_> cool then :)
[06:45] <\sh> I need to monitor some users on our machines...because some strange things are happening here
[07:04] <zorglu_> im writing a /etc/init.d kind of script, if the new init system from edgy compatible to it ?
[07:05] <PriceChild> edgy yes...
[07:05] <zorglu_> ok thanks
[07:05] <PriceChild> feisty's changing, but should still work
[07:05] <PriceChild> I may be completely wrong :)
[07:06] <zorglu_> are you saying that soon ubuntu will no more be compatible with the 'usual' /etc/init.d ?
[07:06] <zorglu_> ok what is the name of this new /etc/init.d system ?
[07:20] <geser> zorglu_: upstart
[07:20] <geser> it's event driven
[07:20] <zorglu_> geser: thanks
[07:21] <plugwash> where can i get more info on this new init replacement?
[07:21] <plugwash> upstart sounds like the kind of word that will be hard to google
[07:23] <\sh> anyone saw an errormessage like this: Dec 18 19:23:11 fai-noc kernel: [361111.808688]  sudosh[31758]  general protection rip:402fd3 rsp:7fffffa6a6d0 error:0 ?
[07:24] <zorglu_> plugwash: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ <- this seems a good place to look at :)
[07:26] <plugwash> from the point of view of shaving down boot time it does seem like a good move to implement something like this but i get the impression it will also mean major relearning for admins which is bad
[07:27] <plugwash> there is also the problem that it will make bootup far less predictable (e.g. far more likely to break occasionally rather than behave the same every boot)
[07:29] <zorglu_> my problem is much simpler :) the doc uses word like event/job and i dont know what the author mean by that :)
[07:31] <sistpoty|uni> zorglu_: iirc, an event is s.th. like network is up... a job is s.th. like start the database server
[07:31] <plugwash> sysvinit based booting is a mostly sequential process, this is good for simplicity, predictability and dependability but it makes booting relatively slow
[07:32] <zorglu_> sistpoty|uni: i see, thanks
[07:32] <sistpoty|uni> zorglu_: though I'm not really sure if I'm not mixing stuff here (just hacking on a vhdl interpreter, and it got events as well *g*)
[07:32] <zorglu_> :)
[07:33] <plugwash> so theese modern systems move away from the idea of a sequence of tasks to start the system and move to systems that can run certain jobs in paralell
[07:33] <plugwash> for example once the network is up you can start your db, mailserver and webserver at the same time
[07:33] <zorglu_> yep, because this decrease the boot time so make the user happier :)
[07:41] <zorglu_> about the previous claim about upstart stopping to be compatible with sysvinit, made like 30min, i got the confirmation that it is not true :)
[07:46] <plugwash> oh i'm sure it will have some backwards compatibility but ultimately creating a rcX.d symlink means "put this job at this position in a sequence" which is something that doesn't have much meaning in an event based boot system
[07:48] <zorglu_> i just read http://upstart.ubuntu.com/doc/getting-started.html, which is a short introduction
[07:49] <zorglu_> they already have a compatibility layer
[07:49] <zorglu_> and their design seems very nice to me
[07:50] <plugwash> sure they do but if your system is booting using the new system then putting one task in the compatibility layer isn't going to say much about when said task should run
[07:50] <zorglu_> it means the same as it meant with a pure sysvinit
[07:50] <zorglu_> aka run this script only after this other script has been run
[07:53] <plugwash> from that page you linked: "Jobs will be run alongside the init scripts for that runlevel."
[07:55] <zorglu_> yep, the script which have been ported to upstart will run independantly to the one which have been ported, from my understanding
[07:55] <zorglu_> in my understanding, the sysvinit compatibility layer is just a bunch of script generating event in sequence and calling the usual sysvinit scripts as in /etc/init.d
[07:56] <zorglu_> my shallow current understanding i meant :)
[07:57] <plugwash> right so say i have a custom script called /etc/rc2.d/S99whatever
[07:57] <plugwash> under the current system i can be pretty sure it will run last or nearly last
[07:58] <plugwash> but on a system where all the standard stuff has been moved to upstart native scripts it may run much much earlier
[07:58] <zorglu_> well sure that it will run after S98, S97 etc...
[07:58] <zorglu_> not sure of what you mean by 'last' or 'earlier'
[07:59] <zorglu_> on sysvinit, S99 is garanteed to start after S98, on upstart compatibility too
[08:03] <plugwash> ok lets take a more concrete example, lets say i wan't to get an e-mail whenever my system is booted up so i write an init script to do it, i notice that on my system the mailserver is started by S20exim4 so i call my script S21mailme
[08:04] <plugwash> this will work fine on sysvinit and also fine when both the mailserver and my script are started through the compatibility system in upstart
[08:07] <plugwash> however when i then upgrade the mailserver package to a version that uses upstart natively (which i presume is the general intention since using the compatibility mode to bring up your entire system kinda defeats the point of upstart) then it will no longer be defined whether my script should run before or after exim is started
[08:08] <zorglu_> well this seems like a border case to me :)
[08:09] <siretart> \sh_away: I find emacs shell mode quite handy for that :)
[08:09] <zorglu_> moreover it would be done compatible :) but would kill the point of upstart :)
[08:11] <sistpoty|uni> hi siretart 
[08:11] <LaserJock> oh, this is rich
[08:11] <sistpoty|uni> hi LaserJock
[08:12] <siretart> huhu sistpoty|uni, hi LaserJock 
[08:12] <LaserJock> somebody is writing an Automatix-like app to build programs from source
[08:12] <LaserJock> and in a reply on the forums somebody asks if it will compile programs from "other" source formats like EXE
[08:13] <siretart> hrhr. let me guess, he is calling this 'autopackage'?
[08:13] <siretart> or 'klickstart'?
[08:13] <LaserJock> no
[08:13] <LaserJock> Comprosure: Ubuntu Autocompiler
[08:13] <sistpoty|uni> yay. I guess I should add exe to the uncommon programming languages page. anyone got references?
[08:14] <siretart> sistpoty|uni: .exe? isn't that problem solved with wine?
[08:14] <sistpoty|uni> siretart: I thought it was an programming language, if you can compile programs from it g
[08:15] <siretart> ah. lol :)
[08:16] <LaserJock> ok, so at what point are we supposed to archive uploaded packages on REVU?
[08:16] <sistpoty|uni> LaserJock: at least if it's uploaded
[08:16] <tsmithe> hey, LaserJock you're back!
[08:17] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:17] <LaserJock> sistpoty|uni: I've generally wanted to wait until they were in the archives, but waiting for NEW processing tends to make me forget about it
[08:18] <sistpoty|uni> LaserJock: I tend to review what's listed on the revu page... the packages which have two advocates already always make me wonder a little bit
[08:19] <LaserJock> fine, if nobody minds I'll archive once I've uploaded
[08:19] <sistpoty|uni> LaserJock: as written above, that's what I do ;)
[08:20] <plugwash> zorglu_, i'm not saying upstart is a bad thing, i am however saying it will mean a lot of relearning for admins and (unless debian follows suit which seems unlikely) a lot of broken stuff in universe
[08:28] <jikanter> Laserjock: is that like aap?
[08:28] <LaserJock> what?
[08:29] <jikanter> the automatix app 
[08:29] <jikanter> www.a-a-p.org
[08:30] <LaserJock> hmm, sounds similar
[08:36] <ajmitch> morning
[08:36] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[08:39] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch 
[08:40] <sistpoty|uni> later folks
[08:48] <siretart> let's test bzr-builddeb with the xine 1.1.3 package...
[08:53] <LaserJock> siretart: oh, that sounds shiny
[08:53] <bddebian> heh
[08:54] <LaserJock> siretart: you got it in a bzr repo somewhere?
[09:04] <siretart> LaserJock: yes, currently on my laptop only
[09:04] <siretart> LaserJock: or do you mean bzr-builddeb? that one is available on the bzr PluginRegistry
[09:05] <LaserJock> yes, that's what I meant
[09:05] <LaserJock> thanks
[09:07] <siretart> hmm. works fine for me :)
[09:09] <LaserJock> my goodness, there are a lot of plugins
[09:29] <LaserJock> grrr
[09:41] <LaserJock> only figuratively of course
[09:41] <zul> what did the do now besides being idiots?
[09:42] <Q-FUNK> rms deserves to be kicked for real. he's a real prick.
[09:42] <LaserJock> well, a "distribute the source" zealot is making me have a bad day
[09:43] <LaserJock> he wants me to go on record as saying an Ubuntu derivative I work on doesn't distribute source after I told him twice that we did
[09:43] <zul> LaserJock: <rob schneider> you can do it! </rob schneider>
[09:44] <LaserJock> heh
[09:44] <LaserJock> yet another, "I hate the GPL" moment
[09:44] <LaserJock> ah well, I'll get over it
[09:44] <crimsun_> s/GPL/idiots/g
[09:45] <LaserJock> obviously it wasn't written with distros in mind
[09:46] <siretart> LaserJock: perhaps he is referring to http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#UnchangedJustBinary ?
[09:47] <LaserJock> partially that yeah
[09:47] <siretart> mh http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCSourceAndBinaryOnDifferentSites might fit better
[09:47] <LaserJock> but also that you have to have the source code on the same server as the .iso and binaries
[09:48] <LaserJock> so I just fired back with that one
[09:48] <LaserJock> saying that a link to the source code is ok
[09:48] <LaserJock> so here's the scenario
[09:49] <bddebian> Ha, we're no worse than main with merges! ;-)
[09:49] <LaserJock> a derivative like say Fluxbuntu or Ichthux who has all their source in Ubuntu distributes their .iso on their own site
[09:49] <LaserJock> do they have to keep all the source for the packages on the .iso on the same server as their .iso
[09:50] <Fujitsu> bddebian, and we have like 4 times more packages.
[09:51] <LaserJock> well, we've closed the gap quite a bit
[09:51] <geser> I'm currently looking at a merge to sponsor, but I'm not quite sure if it should be merged or synced
[09:51] <crimsun_> geser: which?
[09:51] <crimsun_> LaserJock: no.
[09:52] <plugwash> [20:49]  <LaserJock> do they have to keep all the source for the packages on the .iso on the same server as their .iso <-- to comply with the letter of the gpl yes
[09:52] <geser> diff between debian and merged package is on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37810/ (w/o changelog)
[09:52] <bddebian> crimsun_: See the alsa-utils on REVU yet? :)
[09:52] <LaserJock> plugwash: I argue no :-)
[09:52] <geser> crimsun_: dict-bouvier (bug 76092)
[09:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76092 in dict-bouvier "merge: new debian version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76092
[09:52] <crimsun_> alsa-utils...on revu...?
[09:52] <LaserJock> yeah, so that
[09:52] <LaserJock> wondered what was up
[09:53] <bddebian> geser: Personally I'd sync it but what do I know? :)
[09:53] <plugwash> whatever that faq says the gpl clearly states "the same place"
[09:53] <LaserJock> plugwash: and a link at that "same place" is good enough ;-)
[09:53] <geser> I'm almost also in favour of sync
[09:53] <plugwash> where does the gpl itself say that?
[09:53] <LaserJock> it just does ;-)
[09:54] <LaserJock> that's why I dislike the GPL
[09:54] <LaserJock> it requires too much interpretation to be used well
[09:54] <geser> especially since python2.4-dictdlib needs to be changed to python-dictdlib
[09:54] <Toadstool> hiya everybody!
[09:54] <Burgwork> LaserJock: the gpl is saving us from bad deals like the Novell/MS one
[09:54] <Fujitsu> Is the merge freeze actually going to be a freezish thing this time?
[09:55] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[09:55] <Fujitsu> Burgwork, yes... GPL3 is our friend in some ways.
[09:55] <Toadstool> hey bddebian 
[09:55] <Fujitsu> Morning Toadstool, haven't seen you around much lately :)
[09:55] <LaserJock> Burgwork: maybe, but it often seems ridiculous, I personally want nothing to do with it if I can, maybe my mind will change though
[09:55] <Toadstool> hey Fujitsu 
[09:55] <cypher1> can anyone do the merges ?
[09:55] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:55] <bddebian> MY e-mails get moderated?? WTF, don't they know who I am?? :-)
[09:55] <Burgwork> LaserJock: the whole source/binary thing came out of the MEPIS mess
[09:55] <Toadstool> I've been pretty busy at work :/
[09:56] <LaserJock> Burgwork: I know
[09:56] <plugwash> the gpl says that you must offer "offering equivalent access to copy the source code from the same place" nowhere does it say anything about it being ok to just put a reference to another place
[09:56] <LaserJock> well, depends on what "equivalent access" is
[09:56] <LaserJock> it doesn't really say it's not OK
[09:56] <plugwash> yes it does
[09:57] <cypher1> LaserJock, where can i find the list of packages that needs to be merged ? also is there any guide for merging ?
[09:57] <LaserJock> merges.ubuntu.com
[09:57] <crimsun_> geser: it's a sync. The debhelper change is actually bogus, since dh_python isn't invoked anywhere.
[09:57] <LaserJock> and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School
[09:57] <Toadstool> hmm, interesting... a ftbfs on all archs except for i386 due to a conflict between two header files...
[09:57] <crimsun_> geser: (and yes to the python-dictdlib)
[09:57] <joejaxx> joejaxx@eclipse:~$ gedit
[09:57] <joejaxx> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
[09:57] <joejaxx> :(
[09:57] <geser> crimsun_: thanks, will add a comment to the bug
[09:58] <plugwash> and anyway even if it was acceptable to put source and binary in different places there is also the problem that its not you who is offering the access to copy the source if you simply put up a link to the main ubuntu archive
[09:58] <gnomefreak> guys i think nvidia-glx is overwriting xorg.conf no matter if its been altered
[09:59] <LaserJock> plugwash: I don't particularly care, tbh
[09:59] <Toadstool> http://librarian.launchpad.net/5420830/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-amd64.ifplugd_0.28-2.1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz <-- any idea this worked on i386 but not on other archs?
[09:59] <gnomefreak> atleast its overwriting part of it as i am only getting 800x600 after rebooting after nvidia-glx updates
[09:59] <Toadstool> +why
[09:59] <Fujitsu> And how exactly do you define `same place'?
[09:59] <LaserJock> not sure
[10:00] <LaserJock> I say (and the GPL FAQ seems to say too) that a link to the source is fine
[10:00] <Fujitsu> Linky?
[10:00] <Fujitsu> (yes, I'm lazy)
[10:00] <LaserJock> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#SourceAndBinaryOnDifferentSites
[10:00] <plugwash> even if you think it is fine would you rely on a judge agreeing it was fine
[10:00] <LaserJock> I'll take that risk :-)
[10:01] <LaserJock> it's completely rediculous
[10:01] <shawarma> If we don't manage to get through the merges, what's the process for getting them in after the 21st?
[10:01] <LaserJock> we have source code flying everywhere
[10:02] <crimsun_> gnomefreak: file a bug; attach details
[10:02] <crimsun_> shawarma: UVF exception request
[10:02] <LaserJock> bddebian: if you look at http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe-trend.png you'll notice we didn't really make any headway until herd 1 was released
[10:03] <gnomefreak> crimsun_: it will have to wait till it happens again unless ... let me check something
[10:03] <shawarma> crimsun_: Garh..  Didn't we have much more time for this during Edgy?
[10:03] <crimsun_> not that I'm aware of
[10:03] <Fujitsu> shawarma: We're not quite 2 months into the dev cycle, so I think so.
[10:04] <shawarma> crimsun_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule says universe merges deadline were a month before release.
[10:04] <Fujitsu> Which is 3 months in.
[10:04] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Oh, right. I didn't think of it that way. I thought about the time left of the cycle.
[10:04] <crimsun_> universe's schedule isn't frozen in stone, either.
[10:05] <shawarma> crimsun_: It's up to TB, right?
[10:05] <cypher1> LaserJock, thanks
[10:05] <crimsun_> shawarma: MC
[10:05] <Fujitsu> Er, FeistyReleaseSchedule shows UVF to be on 2006/02/08...
[10:07] <LaserJock> UVF for Main
[10:07] <Fujitsu> Isn't it only FeatureFreeze that is being pushed back for universe?
[10:07] <LaserJock> who knows
[10:07] <LaserJock> it's kinda up in the air
[10:08] <LaserJock> I think we wanted to make FF at Beta Freeze
[10:08] <crimsun_> bddebian: bah, those are alsa-{tools,firmware}. I've been working with tsmithe on them.
[10:08] <bddebian> :)
[10:08] <shawarma> It does look kind of weird. Why would UVF and DebianImportFreeze not be the same date?
[10:08] <tsmithe> hi crimsun_ 
[10:08] <crimsun_> bddebian: I thought you meant alsa-_utils_, which would have made me hot.
[10:08] <tsmithe> i uploaded them to revu
[10:08] <bddebian> Sorry
[10:08] <Fujitsu> crimsun_, are you sure we'll need UVFes after DebianImportFreeze? That contradicts stuff.
[10:09] <LaserJock> we need UVFes after UVF
[10:09] <crimsun_> Fujitsu: only when universe has gone UVF.
[10:09] <tsmithe> crimsun_, however, i am still not sure of the licence on -firmware. joejaxx has contacted the companies in question, and i'll update after he's got back to me
[10:09] <cypher1> hi crimsun_ 
[10:09] <shawarma> crimsun_: If that's the case, what's up with Keybuk's e-mail about the deadline for the merges?
[10:09] <Fujitsu> `what's the process for getting them in after the 21st?' was what shawarma asked... crimsun_, stop scaring me :P
[10:10] <crimsun_> shawarma: if he sent it today, I haven't processed it yet.
[10:10] <LaserJock> well, from dholbach's email it seems he wants Universe UVF = Main UVF and Universe FF = Main FF + 1week
[10:10] <cypher1> crimsun_, can i try merge on resolvconf package in universe ?
[10:10] <shawarma> crimsun_: He did. It showed up here about half an hour ago.
[10:10] <crimsun_> cypher1: sure
[10:10] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, that's what I thought.
[10:10] <crimsun_> shawarma: right, I'm backlogged on e-mail.
[10:10] <cypher1> crimsun_, thanks .. i am new to this.. so i hope thats ok :)
[10:10] <Fujitsu> Keybuk's email seems to say `do them in the next 48 hours or you're stuffed.'
[10:10] <shawarma> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel/23094
[10:11] <tenshu> Hi all, i wonder if Apache licence & Common public licence could comply with the debian policy?
[10:11] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: Scott's email is misleading at best, if not flat out wrong
[10:12] <Fujitsu> I thought it was a /target/.
[10:12] <crimsun_> shawarma: that corresponds with Debian Import Freeze, yes
[10:12] <LaserJock> Debian Import Freeze is when they stop automatically importing debian packages
[10:12] <shawarma> crimsun_: Yes. I can live with our not automatically syncing with debian, but having to the merges before Thursday is a bit harsh.
[10:13] <crimsun_> shawarma: so we have until Feb 8th to complete actual new upstreams
[10:13] <LaserJock> yeah, his email is not right
[10:14] <shawarma> Maybe Hobsee could poke him with her famous stick..
[10:14] <bddebian> hehe
[10:14] <LaserJock> actually, his whole email is confusing
[10:15] <LaserJock> ah, he has graciously "releasing the restriction that the named individual should be contacted before performing the merge"
[10:16] <bddebian> :)
[10:16] <Burgwork> LaserJock: ie: get off yer lazy asses :)
[10:17] <joejaxx> Burgwork: Lol
[10:17] <bddebian> haha
[10:17] <LaserJock> Burgwork: well, if I wasn't fighting with GPL zealots I could get some real work done
[10:17] <LaserJock> ;-)
[10:17] <Burgwork> clearly software freedom is a terrible idea
[10:17] <LaserJock> I agree
[10:17] <Burgwork> all go back to Windows, just like Jorge
[10:17] <ajmitch> of course it is
[10:17] <zorglu_> the word 'freedom' is so misleading
[10:18] <LaserJock> people do all kinds of stupid things when it's free
[10:18] <ajmitch> Burgwork: that was uncalled for
[10:18] <Burgwork> ajmitch: I am kidding
[10:18] <bddebian> Who's Jorge?
[10:18] <LaserJock> whiprush
[10:18] <Burgwork> bddebian: whiprush
[10:18] <bddebian> Ahh, I never got that story
[10:18] <Burgwork> he left
[10:18] <ajmitch> no, you missed it all
[10:18] <bddebian> Yeah, I saw it mentioned but didn't know why
[10:18] <Burgwork> burnt out
[10:19] <LaserJock> Burgwork: well, as far as I can tell Universe has a higher percentage of merges done then Main so ...
[10:19] <joejaxx> LaserJock: :)
[10:19] <ajmitch> LaserJock: we're just waiting on bddebian to finish them before lunch
[10:20] <LaserJock> mhm
[10:20] <LaserJock> bddebian FTW!
[10:20] <joejaxx> :D
[10:20] <crimsun_> LaserJock and bddebian FTW
[10:20] <bddebian> FTW?
[10:20] <LaserJock> bah
[10:20] <ajmitch> crimsun_!
[10:20] <crimsun_> ajmitch!
[10:20] <LaserJock> bddebian: acronym finders are the bomb dude ;-)
[10:20] <joejaxx> bddebian: for the win
[10:20] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well my daughter has a dance thing tonight so I won't be able to get them done for a few hours :-)
[10:21] <ajmitch> oh ok
[10:22] <ajmitch> bddebian: we'll let you fix all the universe bugs tomorrow then
[10:22] <bddebian> Heh, yeah right
[10:22] <bddebian> I'm too dumb for those :-(
[10:27] <bddebian> snes9x sync requested..
[10:27] <bddebian> Anyway, gotta run.  Later gang
[10:31] <crimsun_> Toadstool: ask in -toolchain
[10:34] <zorglu_> dont forget to kick the glibc maintainer for his stance against static library
[10:35] <jpatrick> zorglu_: release your anger
[10:36] <zorglu_> there :)
[10:42] <ryanakca> note to all: solseek
[10:43] <ryanakca> *dibs on solseek
[10:48] <cypher1> xxdiff is cool for checking merge :D
[10:50] <ryanakca> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! ... I need to add xlibs-dev? or xserver-xorg-dev?
[10:56] <geser> ryanakca: check for which header it looks and install the package providing it
[10:56] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[10:56] <cypher1> LaserJock, i guess we need to sanity build the package for the release it is targeted. At present , feisty, right ?
[10:57] <sistpoty> hi folks
[10:57] <LaserJock> cypher1: yep
[10:58] <joejaxx> hmm
[10:58] <joejaxx> Hello sistpoty 
[10:58] <sistpoty> hi joejaxx: 
[11:00] <Toadstool> crimsun_: ok, thanks
[11:01] <cypher1> thanks LaserJock crimsun_ let me go to sleep while pbuilder downloads feisty.. sigh its 3:30 am
[11:13] <rmjb> Hello room
[11:13] <rmjb> Hello ajmitch
[11:21] <ajmitch> hi
[11:24] <rmjb> congrats, I saw that today (or yesterday in your case) was the anniversary of when New Zealand was discovered by the Europeans
[11:36] <siretart> yay. 2 motus just got approved for debian :)
[11:37] <siretart> btw, has anyone seen lucas lately?
[11:37] <crimsun_> 2h 3min ago.
[11:38] <siretart> oh
[11:38] <ajmitch> siretart: oh, who was that?
[11:38] <siretart> ajmitch: lucas and myself :)
[11:38] <ajmitch> congratulations :)
[11:38] <crimsun_> congrats :)
[11:38] <siretart> thanks :)
[11:39] <siretart> ajmitch: naah, not yet. now it's up for elmo :)
[11:40] <sistpoty> congrats siretart!
[11:40] <Toadstool> siretart: congrats'!
[11:40] <LaserJock> siretart: congrats dude
[11:41] <ajmitch> siretart: oh, so you're approved, but waiting on the DAM?
[11:43] <siretart> ajmitch: I was just approved by DAM, now I'm just waiting for DAM: https://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=siretart%40tauware.de
[11:44] <siretart> confusing, eh? ;)
[11:45] <crimsun_> hmm, magnatune plugin in rhythmbox 0.9.7
[12:12] <ryanakca> would this go into the KDE or Science category in control? http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=31311
[12:13] <LaserJock> ryanakca: I'd say KDE
[12:13] <LaserJock> as it's a Kicker applet
[12:13] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[12:13] <ryanakca> yeah
[12:14] <ryanakca> bbl, supper