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pvfcbx33, sorry had to leave for a while  ...i'm ready12:27
pvfcbx33, i do want to upgrade to edgy just now12:32
cbx33do or don't?12:32
pvfthis is a production machine12:32
pvfi misunderstood you12:32
pvfi do not*  : )12:32
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cbx33ahhh12:33
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LaserJockpvf: well, you could try downloading the Edgy .deb and install it manually, but I'd talk with #kubuntu or perhaps #kubuntu-devel first and see what they recommend12:33
pvfso...how do i do it ?12:33
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jgedeonAnyone familiar with the LTSP set up with Edubuntu?  Can't get past the login screen with the client.  Server works fine.12:44
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rakwill automatix or easy ubuntu work on edubuntu?08:03
LaserJockthe will, but they are not recommended08:04
LaserJockas they can cause problems with your system and make it difficult to upgrade08:05
rakwell i'm making a computer for relatives from india who don't have internet access, so i just need to get things up and running so it will be stable and feature full for a long time08:06
LaserJockI'd take the time to do it right then08:07
LaserJockmany of the things Automatix (in particular) does are outdated and not the official method08:08
rakyeah, i was leaning towards easy ubuntu but it was having problems "downloading repository lists"08:08
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Kamping_Kaiserhi RichEd08:25
RichEdhi Kamping_Kaiser :)08:25
Kamping_Kaisergday :)08:25
cbx33back in a while all08:27
LaserJockhi RichEd08:27
RichEdLaserJock :)08:27
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rockprincessogra, are you there?12:40
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willvdllunch01:23
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rockprincesson a random note: has anyone any experiences on bluetooth headsets?03:04
willvdlI have bad experiences if that helps?03:06
cbx33hey willvdl03:06
willvdlhey03:12
Kamping_Kaiserhi rockprincess :)03:13
willvdlcbx33 I've reached https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuReleaseAnnouncement on the list for tagging :)03:13
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cbx33ok03:19
cbx33rikey that's old03:20
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willvdlcbx33, yeah 5.10  pages like that need to have proper namespace03:23
rockprincesshey willvdl, define bad experiences ?! ;)03:23
rockprincesshey Kamping_Kaiser ;) how are you?03:24
Kamping_Kaiserrockprincess, very tired. i'm about to head to sleep (as soon as i rebuild my bed)03:24
willvdlwell, as in I couldn't get it to work, got frustrated and broke somthing03:24
rockprincessuhhhh not good :(03:24
willvdlKamping_Kaiser: I will not ask03:24
ograwillvdl, 5.10 is dead in april ...03:25
Kamping_Kaiserwillvdl, wont ask?03:25
rockprincessKamping_Kaiser: I'm very tired as well, but here it's ust 15:25 :(03:25
Kamping_Kaiserrockprincess, :\03:25
Kamping_Kaiserits 00:55 here03:25
rockprincesswillvdl: which bluetooth headset do you have?03:25
willvdlI don't have one. was trying somebody elses.03:26
willvdlogra, yeah. looking at a way to use wiki in a nice release specific context03:26
ograright, but i dont think you need to care much for 5.10 anymore03:27
rockprincessbrb03:27
ograif you have cleaned it up it will be gone03:27
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leobloomhi03:30
Kamping_Kaiserhi03:30
leobloomthis is a edubuntu support channel isn't it?03:30
Kamping_Kaiseryes03:32
willvdlogra, just flagging stuff for cleanup at the mo. not deleting or moving anything03:33
willvdl https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWikiCleanup03:33
leobloomI'm new of Linux, I've just installed ubuntu this weekend and I love it so I was thinking about switching an old pc of mine to edubuntu, I haven't ben able to find the minimum requirements when installed on a single machine, do you know what they are?03:33
willvdlI imagine the minimum requirements are the same as for ubuntu? workstation install that is?03:34
leobloomwell I dunno really, I told you I'm new, I've only found out that xubuntu is the one requiring the less but I'm more interested to edubuntu03:35
ograwillvdl, teachers pet was the first student-control-panel spec, its only a brainstorm page, wipe it03:37
willvdlogra, cool03:37
willvdlleobloom, http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted has minimum spec for thin-client03:38
willvdllooking for other info...03:38
ograthe spec for a workstation install is a bit bigger than ubuntus, but very similar (needs more diskspace)03:39
leobloombut could I install a thin-client without having  a server?!03:40
willvdlnope :)03:40
willvdlhttp://www.ubuntu.com/download/releasenotes/606 release notes have some info03:40
leobloom=o/03:40
willvdland the https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/hardware-req.html installation guide has some info03:42
leobloomuhm the installation process looks different from the one of ubuntu, that's because of the server/client support right? sorry for the stupid questions, I'm a complete beginner in this stuff!03:43
willvdlnot stupid at all03:44
willvdledubuntu tried not to use the heavily graphical install app03:44
leobloombut what if I anted to install it on a single pc, should I also configure all those things? I mean, the IP's and stuff? it'd be on a single pc :D03:46
leobloommaybe there could be an easier solution for me, how can I know whether the educationa softwares included in edubuntu can be used on xubuntu (which looks easier to be installed :D) without actually installing xubuntu on my ubuntu OS? (sorry for the weird question!)03:48
willvdlleobloom, installing single PC, you need to configure _something_ for the newtork but it really wouldn't mattter what IP's etc you put in03:49
willvdlas to running KDE (Kubuntu), XFCE (Xubuntu) or Gnome (Ubuntu) apps on the same machine, it is possible but the base install size will grow obviously as you need to add the libraries for each system03:50
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willvdle.g. edubuntu is Gnome based but we run kde-edu applications on it03:51
leobloomuhm I've read that xfce is the smallest of those free while kde is the heaviest03:51
rockprincessleobloom: edubuntu works fine on my 5 years old laptop :)03:51
leobloomeh, the problem is I want to use it on an even older pc! it's an old pentium II at 400 mhz :D03:52
rockprincessleobloom: have you tried the live-cd yet?03:52
leobloomnope, because this pc is notere at my place, I should download the iso and send it to my syster (who is even worse than me with pc stuff9 and tell her what to do via skype03:55
rockprincessi see03:55
leobloomi know it sounds mad but it'd be ever harder for her to have to download and install it by herself, she doesn't even speak English well enough to understand what she's doing :D03:57
rockprincesstry this: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/releasenotes/606?highlight=%28minimum%2903:58
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leobloomuhm it asks for minimum 256 ram, if I remember well that pc has only 12804:00
juliuxleobloom, 256mb ram for the server not for the clients04:04
leobloomso ubuntu can have server/client nets to? i didn't know this04:05
juliuxdo you want to install ubuntu or edubuntu?04:06
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ograleobloom, 128M is fine for installing it (edubuntu uses a text based installer and needs less during install), but no way enough to have a useable system04:07
ograit will run but be unusable slow04:08
leobloomso I can't install edubuntu and not even ubuntu? too bad, I really like  this distribution!04:08
leobloomcould it be possible then to install xubuntu (or even a smaller debianbased distro) and then install those edusoftwares?04:09
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sbalneavleobloom: Yes, something like Xubuntu would help.04:11
leobloomand after installing xubuntu I could also install those softwares? are they available outside the edubuntu package?04:11
rockprincessleobloom: yes04:12
rockprincessleobloom: i even use them on my kubuntu ;)04:12
leobloomeh, I think that kubuntu would hardly work even on my own pc lol :D04:13
rockprincesswhat's your setup?04:13
leobloomstill this distro of linux is great! in not even two days I've been able to find all the softwares I needed and even more :D04:13
rockprincessexcellent ;) glad that you like it!04:14
leobloomI'm using an old pentium II at 733 mhz, I've had a crash last weekend and lost everything so i formatted and lost the winXP, had no cd to reinstall the original one so instaled a trial xp on  one hd and ubuntu in partition on another hd04:14
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leobloomI have already "spread the word" of switching to linux to many of my friends lol :D04:15
leobloomsorry it's pentium III obviously04:16
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Sonofaqhiya cbx3304:17
leobloombrb04:17
willvdlhttps://wiki.edubuntu.org/%e9%a6%96%e9%a0%8104:17
willvdldoes that link work?04:17
cbx33hey Sonofaq04:18
cbx33dude you're here that's excellent04:18
cbx33we need to set you up a gpg key04:18
Sonofaqcool04:18
cbx33I'm going to do sculleys tomorrow at school04:18
Sonofaqhehe is he in then04:18
cbx33sux that you're still on windows ;)04:18
cbx33yes04:18
cbx33ok.....04:18
Sonofaqmmm what time is school open to tomorow04:19
cbx33lemme see if I can find a tut04:19
Sonofaqcheers04:19
cbx338-12, but i don;t think pupils are allowed in04:19
Sonofaqhehe04:19
Sonofaqim a guessed04:19
cbx33otherwise i could have done with the help04:19
Sonofaqwhats going on tomoz04:19
cbx33gimme 2 mins04:19
Sonofaqok04:20
cbx33http://dudu.dyn.2-h.org/nist/gpg-enigmail-howto04:21
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leobloomback04:21
Sonofaqcheers find out if i can come in tomoz if i can i might04:22
cbx33i'll do that04:22
leobloomcan I ask another question?04:22
cbx33sure04:22
cbx33yes that works willvdl04:22
cbx33sorry dude04:23
willvdlweird04:23
cbx33what the hell is that page04:23
cbx33unicode name?04:23
leobloomI know it's stupid but how exactly can I enter the apt? I've read that it's the best way to instal/unistall  stuff but it's more difficult to used due to the fact that it only runs  commands (and that's not really friendly for me :D )04:24
cbx33leobloom, ok it's pretty easy04:24
cbx33you can find many tutrials on the net but basicall04:24
cbx33you'd use it like so04:24
cbx33sudo apt-get update    :::   This updates the list of pacakges04:25
cbx33sudo apt-get install <package-name>   :::   This installs a pacakge04:25
cbx33sudo apt-get upgrade   :::   Upgrades any pacakges which have new versions04:25
leobloomoh, so it simply works  from the terminal?04:26
leobloomok thanks a lot!04:26
cbx33yeh it's easy04:26
leobloomah how come there are always so many updates everyday? yesterday and today I've downloaded more than 60 mb of udpdates :D04:26
cbx33hmm04:27
cbx33shouldn't be04:27
cbx33but after you have installed fresh from a cd there wuill be a lot04:28
willvdlunicode name so I can't use a wiki-link to it, have to use http: link...04:28
cbx33grrrr that sux willvdl04:28
cbx33howzx it all going04:28
cbx33with the cleanup04:28
willvdlnearly all tagged :)04:28
cbx33cool04:29
cbx33you rock bro !04:29
willvdlnext step is deciding what to do with them :P04:29
leobloomah ok, so it simply happens because ths OS has just been installed? ok... another thing, I've read t'd be better (for security purposes) not to connect the web with the admin account but I've created two others and none of them works, they simply won't connect04:29
willvdlSFD is easy enough, the SFM is a little harder04:29
cbx33leobloom, explain04:31
cbx33on ubuntu by default you do not use a root account per se04:31
cbx33you use a normal account which can have root privialges when it requires it04:31
leobloomok, I try to explain it but remember I'm a newby :D04:32
cbx33like when you do an update, a message box pops up asking for your password04:32
cbx33leobloom, np...04:32
cbx33that's why we're here04:32
cbx33do you remember that box?04:32
cbx33if you are logged in as you and not as root (which requires a manual workaroudn anyway) your computer can't do anything that rtequires administrative proviliages unless it first asks you for permission04:33
cbx33makes sens?04:33
cbx33so Sonofaq ready to setup your gpg key?04:33
leobloomI told you I have two OS on my pc now, ubuntu 6.10 on one and trial winxp on the other, I have installed the adsl modem drivers on winxp and the connection works fine there for all the accounts, I set the connection on ubuntu  with the  command "sudo pppoe conf" and followed the things there and it worked04:33
Sonofaqim just going through th tutorial04:33
cbx33nice one Sonofaq04:33
cbx33cool04:34
cbx33leobloom, you should be fine with that wetup04:34
Sonofaqlol the downlaods page got a bit confusinf cbx3304:34
cbx33setup04:34
leobloomso now everytime I want to connect to the web i simply write sudo pon dsl-provider in my terminal and it works but only on the first account I've created04:34
cbx33Sonofaq, dunno, only used it a few years ago04:34
cbx33leobloom, yes04:34
cbx33that's because no other account has permission to run sudo04:34
cbx33sudo means...do anything after this as if it were the administrator04:34
cbx33you have permission to do that04:35
leobloomoh, didn't know this =o/04:35
cbx33other accounts don;t04:35
cbx33by deafult04:35
cbx33you can add it so they can04:35
leobloomso I can't connect on the other accounts?04:35
cbx33well you can04:35
leobloomehm how?=o)04:35
cbx33but you must either give them admin access, or do some funky stuff with permissions to allow them to dial up04:35
cbx33if you get the money, it would be better to get a router ;)04:35
cbx33or if you have another spare machine set it up as a fireway/gateway04:36
cbx33s/fireway/firewall04:36
leobloomoh, well, I'll buy a new pc  after xmas anyway, my brother is too "scared" of using linux  :D so he wants a normal windows04:36
cbx33*bah*04:36
cbx33unless he's an avid gamer....linux is fine04:36
rockprincesswoot, only 4 days and 7 hours til i have the codebreakers dvd version...yipeeeee :D04:37
leobloomnope he's not but he's scared of all his kinda new stuff, the only game he plays is caled ogame , dont know if you've ever heard of it04:37
cbx33rockprincess, heheheh04:37
cbx33no04:37
leobloomgood rock, if I knew what they are :D04:37
cbx33get him using linux ;)04:37
rockprincesscbx33: it's rather quick, i wasn't being sarcastic :)04:37
leobloomeh, I will as soon as I can use it without any problem myself :D04:38
cbx33leobloom, ok04:38
rockprincesscbx33: btw, i saw your launchpad account today and found out your real name ;)04:38
cbx33heheh04:38
cbx33and....?04:38
rockprincesscbx33: *stalker* ;)04:38
rockprincesshahaha04:38
cbx33is that a bad thing??04:38
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rockprincesscbx33: not at all ;)04:38
leobloomso there is no simple way to connect without being admin? But I'm sure i read that it's the only way not to get the few viruses  for linux that are around, I have no firewall or such instaled04:39
cbx33Sonofaq, you installing thunderbird too?04:39
cbx33well a firewall is pretty easy to isntall04:39
rockprincesscbx33: so you like kiting? ;))04:39
cbx33search for firestarter04:39
cbx33rockprincess, indeed I do04:39
cbx33I have two Fury .85 's now ;)04:39
Sonofaqi'v install it and th enig open pgp extention just setting up preferences cb3304:39
cbx33nice nice04:40
cbx33next step04:40
cbx33send em a mail encrypted with my gpg key04:40
cbx33you should find it on the generic keyservers ;)04:40
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leobloomis there a ubuntu channel too? I have tons of other questions about it :D04:41
bddebianHeya04:41
rockprincessleobloom: #ubuntu04:42
rockprincessthere  might even be #ubuntu-it04:42
rockprincessfor italian help...i assume you're italian?!04:42
leobloomoh perfect!thatbks alot then! I'll try to ask all my quesitons in the specific chan =o)04:43
leobloomyep I'm Italian, how do you know?=o)04:43
rockprincessgood luck ;)04:43
rockprincessi did a whois request on you ;)04:43
leobloomah ok :D04:43
leobloomwell I suppose I can't be connected to two different chans at the same time right? I need to disconnect from this to connect to ubuntu04:44
rockprincessno you can! try it ;)04:44
leobloomohnice :D04:45
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leobloom=o) sorry04:47
cbx33heheh04:47
leobloomI've never used irc so I'm not really good with this  either lol :D04:47
cbx33hehe04:48
cbx33irc rocks04:48
leobloomhow come there are so few chans? I've searched throught e web and there should be thousands of them04:48
cbx33so few04:49
cbx33there are loads04:49
leobloombut the software I'm using only shows some dozens of servers04:49
cbx33how goes it Sonofaq ?04:50
cbx33hmmm04:50
cbx33i don;t know then ;)04:50
cbx33i guess i only know the ones I use a lot04:50
leobloomit's called Xchat irc, I've tried to add a server but havent found the button to do it04:50
cbx33and that's 5 ubuntu channels04:50
Sonofaqwell im just waiting for gnupg to downlaod cbx33 then i'll be ther04:50
cbx33heheh04:51
cbx33taking it's time is it?04:51
cbx33oh04:51
cbx33did I tell you I started chopping up YouthLUG Radio04:51
cbx33yes I did04:51
cbx33didn't I?04:51
juliuxogra, ping04:51
willvdlwhere is mhz these days?04:52
cbx33willvdl, no idea04:52
cbx33he pops in every now and then04:52
willvdlhmmm. he authored half the wiki :)04:52
cbx33I know he's done a lot04:52
cbx33he worked with me on a few things04:52
cbx33great guy04:52
juliuxogra, forget the ping, i think you have no time before beta release04:53
willvdlhow come our wiki homepage is EdubuntuWiki and not Edubuntu?04:57
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cbx33juliux, it should be Edubuntu05:01
juliuxcbx33, sorry?05:01
cbx33the homepage...as far as I knew should be w.u.c/Edubuntu05:02
juliuxcbx33, about what are you talking??05:03
juliuxcbx33, could it be that you mean willvdl ?05:03
willvdl:)05:03
willvdlwill log a bug05:03
cbx33oh05:04
cbx33sorry05:04
cbx33juliux, forgive me05:04
cbx33willvdl, I was meaning you05:04
juliuxcbx33, its ok;)05:04
cbx33Sonofaq, howz it going?05:04
Sonofaqalmost finished can you link thunderbird to hotmail cbx3305:05
cbx33no05:05
cbx33that's why I was going to setup that other account05:05
cbx33willvdl, DUDE!!!!!!!!05:05
cbx33that page is huge05:05
Sonofaqif you set of that other acount i will ccreate a key for it cbx3305:06
willvdleek, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook05:06
Sonofaqi have everingthing else working cbx3305:06
cbx33oh that's all old stuff ;)05:06
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willvdlit's on h.u.c05:06
cbx33well....pygi and HedgeMage wrote some of that.....although so did others like myself05:06
cbx33yes05:06
cbx33but the handbook is taking over05:06
cbx33cookbook was never 100% compelte05:07
willvdlis it a copy of https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook05:07
cbx33Sonofaq, ok hang on a sec05:07
Sonofaqcool cbx3305:07
willvdlah, redirect05:08
cbx33Sonofaq, what do you want your email address to be?05:08
cbx33<what>@youthlug.org05:09
Sonofaqmmmm blondefriend@youthlug.org05:09
cbx33ok05:10
cbx33know how to add a mai laccount in thunderbird?05:10
Sonofaqyeah05:10
cbx33ok05:11
cbx33I'm gonna pm you some details05:11
Sonofaqcool05:11
willvdlcbx33, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/ReportTemplate ?05:18
cbx33destroy it05:19
willvdlkill kill kill05:23
willvdllist is done. whew05:23
willvdltomorrow I'll start work on the front page and propose a structure/organisation for the wiki: namespaces etc.05:24
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cbx33nice one willvdl05:25
cbx33you're working hard05:25
cbx33lemme know if there is anything I can do05:25
willvdlreview and edit :)05:25
willvdlyou've been here longer than me05:25
cbx33ok dude05:26
willvdlgoing to start on obvious deletions05:33
willvdlbased on feedback from you, ogra and others05:33
willvdlcbx33: https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+bug/7646305:33
cbx33cool05:34
willvdlbug 7646305:34
willvdl(where is Ubugtu?)05:34
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willvdledubuntugirl, what is bug 76463?05:43
edubuntugirlwillvdl: huh?05:43
willvdlsigh05:43
cbx33hehe05:44
cbx33aww bless her05:44
ograjust use the right channels for bugs :P05:44
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cbx33hey ogra05:44
cbx33GRRRRRRRR05:44
cbx33NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!05:44
cbx33this just isn't fair dude05:44
cbx33you're like ..... Mr Bond05:45
highvoltagecbx33: does that make you Q? :)05:45
cbx33no05:45
cbx33makes me sad :(05:45
cbx33:'(05:45
cbx33how are you highvoltage05:45
highvoltagekind of been on holiday05:46
cbx33willvdl, where is the EdubuntuWiki page pointed from05:46
highvoltageso feeling a bit more relaxed than usual05:46
highvoltagecbx33: how are you?05:47
cbx33yeh good05:47
cbx33working on YouthLUG05:47
willvdlcbx33, I don't think it is. "Edubuntu" redirects to it05:47
cbx33ahhh05:47
highvoltagecbx33: wow, haven't heard about youthlug in a while, you should blog about that sometime!05:48
cbx33i blogged abotu it a few days ago05:48
cbx33well05:48
cbx33the python side of it anyway ;)05:48
cbx33we have a website now05:48
cbx33which I'm working on05:48
cbx33just got one of our memebrs a gpg key05:48
willvdlhey highvoltage, do you know what https://wiki.edubuntu.org/%e9%a6%96%e9%a0%81 was used for?05:50
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highvoltagewillvdl: I'm afraid I have no idea05:52
highvoltageah05:52
willvdlthere's three of them :)05:52
cbx33THREE?05:53
highvoltagewillvdl: I think someone wanted to start a translation to some asian language?05:53
willvdlall basically the frontpage with unicode titles05:53
highvoltagebrb05:53
willvdlhmmm. Doc Team wants wiki translations to be done through LoCo's (and their sites). No current plans for wiki translations05:54
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cbx33that woudl be a huge task05:59
willvdlwell point is that moinmoin wiki at the mo is not setup to handle translations06:01
cbx33can it be?06:01
cbx33that would/should be a major step forward06:02
cbx33it would be a great step forward.....though...would they complain about rosetta noe being useD?06:04
willvdlI think it's a problem with wiki templates. not familiar with the history06:07
cbx33ahhh06:08
willvdlciao all. see tomorrow06:22
highvoltagebye willvdl06:24
highvoltagetake care06:24
willvdlciao06:25
willvdlnearly holiday :)06:25
willvdlEast Coast meander on Saturday06:25
highvoltagekewl06:25
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capt_kirkEvening all.06:29
highvoltagehi capt_kirk06:29
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capt_kirkAnyone have an opinion on whether to run LDAP/Samba on the same box as my LTSP server, or on a separate box?  I'm wondering if anyone knows about the relative CPU usage vs network traffic tradeoffs.  Thanks.06:30
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highvoltageif it's going to be a busy samba server, it's best to keep it on another box, since preserving disk bandwidth on your ltsp server is quite important06:31
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capt_kirkthanks.  it will be fairly lightly loaded.  Right now 8 thin-clients, building to about 30 or 40 over the next year (depending on funding).  Total of about 120 users on those clients.06:32
capt_kirkexternal windows access to the samba will only be about 10 windows boxes.06:33
capt_kirkhighvoltage: Am I right in thinking to put the Samba/LDAP on the older of our two servers?  Seems like the LTSP server has the higher CPU/RAM requirements.  Thanks.06:36
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sbalneavcapt_kirk: Yes, the LTSP server will be more heavily loaded than a samba server06:37
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capt_kirksbalneav: Thanks!06:39
stgraberhi06:39
cbx33hey sbalneav06:43
sbalneavHello cbx3306:44
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jomolinahttp://tiorubo.blogspot.com/2006/12/microsoft-y-el-vaporware.html06:48
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capt_kirksbalneav or highvoltage: If I offload the /home directories to the Samba server on another box (and access them using LDAP authentication), will that help with LTSP performance by reducing the demand on its hard drive, or hurt it by putting more demands on the external NIC?06:51
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Sonofaqcbx33 you there07:03
LaserJockogra: you around today?07:13
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highvoltagecapt_kirk: if you have a gigabit network card between the two servers, I think it would be faster indeed07:26
capt_kirkhighvoltage:  Thanks.  That's one of the funding hitches now, getting gigabit into our infrastructure.  (Poor Tanzanian college that I'm helping for a year.)  But this argument will hopefully get some help in beefing up the infrastructure more cheaply than buying a huge single server.07:29
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kambeiAnyone awake?11:34
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