[12:27] <pvf> cbx33, sorry had to leave for a while  ...i'm ready
[12:32] <pvf> cbx33, i do want to upgrade to edgy just now
[12:32] <cbx33> do or don't?
[12:32] <pvf> this is a production machine
[12:32] <pvf> i misunderstood you
[12:32] <pvf> i do not*  : )
[12:33] <cbx33> ahhh
[12:33] <LaserJock> pvf: well, you could try downloading the Edgy .deb and install it manually, but I'd talk with #kubuntu or perhaps #kubuntu-devel first and see what they recommend
[12:33] <pvf> so...how do i do it ?
[12:44] <jgedeon> Anyone familiar with the LTSP set up with Edubuntu?  Can't get past the login screen with the client.  Server works fine.
[08:03] <rak> will automatix or easy ubuntu work on edubuntu?
[08:04] <LaserJock> the will, but they are not recommended
[08:05] <LaserJock> as they can cause problems with your system and make it difficult to upgrade
[08:06] <rak> well i'm making a computer for relatives from india who don't have internet access, so i just need to get things up and running so it will be stable and feature full for a long time
[08:07] <LaserJock> I'd take the time to do it right then
[08:08] <LaserJock> many of the things Automatix (in particular) does are outdated and not the official method
[08:08] <rak> yeah, i was leaning towards easy ubuntu but it was having problems "downloading repository lists"
[08:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi RichEd
[08:25] <RichEd> hi Kamping_Kaiser :)
[08:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> gday :)
[08:27] <cbx33> back in a while all
[08:27] <LaserJock> hi RichEd
[08:27] <RichEd> LaserJock :)
[12:40] <rockprincess> ogra, are you there?
[01:23] <willvdl> lunch
[03:04] <rockprincess> on a random note: has anyone any experiences on bluetooth headsets?
[03:06] <willvdl> I have bad experiences if that helps?
[03:06] <cbx33> hey willvdl
[03:12] <willvdl> hey
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi rockprincess :)
[03:13] <willvdl> cbx33 I've reached https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuReleaseAnnouncement on the list for tagging :)
[03:19] <cbx33> ok
[03:20] <cbx33> rikey that's old
[03:23] <willvdl> cbx33, yeah 5.10  pages like that need to have proper namespace
[03:23] <rockprincess> hey willvdl, define bad experiences ?! ;)
[03:24] <rockprincess> hey Kamping_Kaiser ;) how are you?
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> rockprincess, very tired. i'm about to head to sleep (as soon as i rebuild my bed)
[03:24] <willvdl> well, as in I couldn't get it to work, got frustrated and broke somthing
[03:24] <rockprincess> uhhhh not good :(
[03:24] <willvdl> Kamping_Kaiser: I will not ask
[03:25] <ogra> willvdl, 5.10 is dead in april ...
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> willvdl, wont ask?
[03:25] <rockprincess> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm very tired as well, but here it's ust 15:25 :(
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> rockprincess, :\
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> its 00:55 here
[03:25] <rockprincess> willvdl: which bluetooth headset do you have?
[03:26] <willvdl> I don't have one. was trying somebody elses.
[03:26] <willvdl> ogra, yeah. looking at a way to use wiki in a nice release specific context
[03:27] <ogra> right, but i dont think you need to care much for 5.10 anymore
[03:27] <rockprincess> brb
[03:27] <ogra> if you have cleaned it up it will be gone
[03:30] <leobloom> hi
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[03:30] <leobloom> this is a edubuntu support channel isn't it?
[03:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[03:33] <willvdl> ogra, just flagging stuff for cleanup at the mo. not deleting or moving anything
[03:33] <willvdl>  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWikiCleanup
[03:33] <leobloom> I'm new of Linux, I've just installed ubuntu this weekend and I love it so I was thinking about switching an old pc of mine to edubuntu, I haven't ben able to find the minimum requirements when installed on a single machine, do you know what they are?
[03:34] <willvdl> I imagine the minimum requirements are the same as for ubuntu? workstation install that is?
[03:35] <leobloom> well I dunno really, I told you I'm new, I've only found out that xubuntu is the one requiring the less but I'm more interested to edubuntu
[03:37] <ogra> willvdl, teachers pet was the first student-control-panel spec, its only a brainstorm page, wipe it
[03:37] <willvdl> ogra, cool
[03:38] <willvdl> leobloom, http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted has minimum spec for thin-client
[03:38] <willvdl> looking for other info...
[03:39] <ogra> the spec for a workstation install is a bit bigger than ubuntus, but very similar (needs more diskspace)
[03:40] <leobloom> but could I install a thin-client without having  a server?!
[03:40] <willvdl> nope :)
[03:40] <willvdl> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/releasenotes/606 release notes have some info
[03:40] <leobloom> =o/
[03:42] <willvdl> and the https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/hardware-req.html installation guide has some info
[03:43] <leobloom> uhm the installation process looks different from the one of ubuntu, that's because of the server/client support right? sorry for the stupid questions, I'm a complete beginner in this stuff!
[03:44] <willvdl> not stupid at all
[03:44] <willvdl> edubuntu tried not to use the heavily graphical install app
[03:46] <leobloom> but what if I anted to install it on a single pc, should I also configure all those things? I mean, the IP's and stuff? it'd be on a single pc :D
[03:48] <leobloom> maybe there could be an easier solution for me, how can I know whether the educationa softwares included in edubuntu can be used on xubuntu (which looks easier to be installed :D) without actually installing xubuntu on my ubuntu OS? (sorry for the weird question!)
[03:49] <willvdl> leobloom, installing single PC, you need to configure _something_ for the newtork but it really wouldn't mattter what IP's etc you put in
[03:50] <willvdl> as to running KDE (Kubuntu), XFCE (Xubuntu) or Gnome (Ubuntu) apps on the same machine, it is possible but the base install size will grow obviously as you need to add the libraries for each system
[03:51] <willvdl> e.g. edubuntu is Gnome based but we run kde-edu applications on it
[03:51] <leobloom> uhm I've read that xfce is the smallest of those free while kde is the heaviest
[03:51] <rockprincess> leobloom: edubuntu works fine on my 5 years old laptop :)
[03:52] <leobloom> eh, the problem is I want to use it on an even older pc! it's an old pentium II at 400 mhz :D
[03:52] <rockprincess> leobloom: have you tried the live-cd yet?
[03:55] <leobloom> nope, because this pc is notere at my place, I should download the iso and send it to my syster (who is even worse than me with pc stuff9 and tell her what to do via skype
[03:55] <rockprincess> i see
[03:57] <leobloom> i know it sounds mad but it'd be ever harder for her to have to download and install it by herself, she doesn't even speak English well enough to understand what she's doing :D
[03:58] <rockprincess> try this: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/releasenotes/606?highlight=%28minimum%29
[04:00] <leobloom> uhm it asks for minimum 256 ram, if I remember well that pc has only 128
[04:04] <juliux> leobloom, 256mb ram for the server not for the clients
[04:05] <leobloom> so ubuntu can have server/client nets to? i didn't know this
[04:06] <juliux> do you want to install ubuntu or edubuntu?
[04:07] <ogra> leobloom, 128M is fine for installing it (edubuntu uses a text based installer and needs less during install), but no way enough to have a useable system
[04:08] <ogra> it will run but be unusable slow
[04:08] <leobloom> so I can't install edubuntu and not even ubuntu? too bad, I really like  this distribution!
[04:09] <leobloom> could it be possible then to install xubuntu (or even a smaller debianbased distro) and then install those edusoftwares?
[04:11] <sbalneav> leobloom: Yes, something like Xubuntu would help.
[04:11] <leobloom> and after installing xubuntu I could also install those softwares? are they available outside the edubuntu package?
[04:12] <rockprincess> leobloom: yes
[04:12] <rockprincess> leobloom: i even use them on my kubuntu ;)
[04:13] <leobloom> eh, I think that kubuntu would hardly work even on my own pc lol :D
[04:13] <rockprincess> what's your setup?
[04:13] <leobloom> still this distro of linux is great! in not even two days I've been able to find all the softwares I needed and even more :D
[04:14] <rockprincess> excellent ;) glad that you like it!
[04:14] <leobloom> I'm using an old pentium II at 733 mhz, I've had a crash last weekend and lost everything so i formatted and lost the winXP, had no cd to reinstall the original one so instaled a trial xp on  one hd and ubuntu in partition on another hd
[04:15] <leobloom> I have already "spread the word" of switching to linux to many of my friends lol :D
[04:16] <leobloom> sorry it's pentium III obviously
[04:17] <Sonofaq> hiya cbx33
[04:17] <leobloom> brb
[04:17] <willvdl> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/%e9%a6%96%e9%a0%81
[04:17] <willvdl> does that link work?
[04:18] <cbx33> hey Sonofaq
[04:18] <cbx33> dude you're here that's excellent
[04:18] <cbx33> we need to set you up a gpg key
[04:18] <Sonofaq> cool
[04:18] <cbx33> I'm going to do sculleys tomorrow at school
[04:18] <Sonofaq> hehe is he in then
[04:18] <cbx33> sux that you're still on windows ;)
[04:18] <cbx33> yes
[04:18] <cbx33> ok.....
[04:19] <Sonofaq> mmm what time is school open to tomorow
[04:19] <cbx33> lemme see if I can find a tut
[04:19] <Sonofaq> cheers
[04:19] <cbx33> 8-12, but i don;t think pupils are allowed in
[04:19] <Sonofaq> hehe
[04:19] <Sonofaq> im a guessed
[04:19] <cbx33> otherwise i could have done with the help
[04:19] <Sonofaq> whats going on tomoz
[04:19] <cbx33> gimme 2 mins
[04:20] <Sonofaq> ok
[04:21] <cbx33> http://dudu.dyn.2-h.org/nist/gpg-enigmail-howto
[04:21] <leobloom> back
[04:22] <Sonofaq> cheers find out if i can come in tomoz if i can i might
[04:22] <cbx33> i'll do that
[04:22] <leobloom> can I ask another question?
[04:22] <cbx33> sure
[04:22] <cbx33> yes that works willvdl
[04:23] <cbx33> sorry dude
[04:23] <willvdl> weird
[04:23] <cbx33> what the hell is that page
[04:23] <cbx33> unicode name?
[04:24] <leobloom> I know it's stupid but how exactly can I enter the apt? I've read that it's the best way to instal/unistall  stuff but it's more difficult to used due to the fact that it only runs  commands (and that's not really friendly for me :D )
[04:24] <cbx33> leobloom, ok it's pretty easy
[04:24] <cbx33> you can find many tutrials on the net but basicall
[04:24] <cbx33> you'd use it like so
[04:25] <cbx33> sudo apt-get update    :::   This updates the list of pacakges
[04:25] <cbx33> sudo apt-get install <package-name>   :::   This installs a pacakge
[04:25] <cbx33> sudo apt-get upgrade   :::   Upgrades any pacakges which have new versions
[04:26] <leobloom> oh, so it simply works  from the terminal?
[04:26] <leobloom> ok thanks a lot!
[04:26] <cbx33> yeh it's easy
[04:26] <leobloom> ah how come there are always so many updates everyday? yesterday and today I've downloaded more than 60 mb of udpdates :D
[04:27] <cbx33> hmm
[04:27] <cbx33> shouldn't be
[04:28] <cbx33> but after you have installed fresh from a cd there wuill be a lot
[04:28] <willvdl> unicode name so I can't use a wiki-link to it, have to use http: link...
[04:28] <cbx33> grrrr that sux willvdl
[04:28] <cbx33> howzx it all going
[04:28] <cbx33> with the cleanup
[04:28] <willvdl> nearly all tagged :)
[04:29] <cbx33> cool
[04:29] <cbx33> you rock bro !
[04:29] <willvdl> next step is deciding what to do with them :P
[04:29] <leobloom> ah ok, so it simply happens because ths OS has just been installed? ok... another thing, I've read t'd be better (for security purposes) not to connect the web with the admin account but I've created two others and none of them works, they simply won't connect
[04:29] <willvdl> SFD is easy enough, the SFM is a little harder
[04:31] <cbx33> leobloom, explain
[04:31] <cbx33> on ubuntu by default you do not use a root account per se
[04:31] <cbx33> you use a normal account which can have root privialges when it requires it
[04:32] <leobloom> ok, I try to explain it but remember I'm a newby :D
[04:32] <cbx33> like when you do an update, a message box pops up asking for your password
[04:32] <cbx33> leobloom, np...
[04:32] <cbx33> that's why we're here
[04:32] <cbx33> do you remember that box?
[04:33] <cbx33> if you are logged in as you and not as root (which requires a manual workaroudn anyway) your computer can't do anything that rtequires administrative proviliages unless it first asks you for permission
[04:33] <cbx33> makes sens?
[04:33] <cbx33> so Sonofaq ready to setup your gpg key?
[04:33] <leobloom> I told you I have two OS on my pc now, ubuntu 6.10 on one and trial winxp on the other, I have installed the adsl modem drivers on winxp and the connection works fine there for all the accounts, I set the connection on ubuntu  with the  command "sudo pppoe conf" and followed the things there and it worked
[04:33] <Sonofaq> im just going through th tutorial
[04:33] <cbx33> nice one Sonofaq
[04:34] <cbx33> cool
[04:34] <cbx33> leobloom, you should be fine with that wetup
[04:34] <Sonofaq> lol the downlaods page got a bit confusinf cbx33
[04:34] <cbx33> setup
[04:34] <leobloom> so now everytime I want to connect to the web i simply write sudo pon dsl-provider in my terminal and it works but only on the first account I've created
[04:34] <cbx33> Sonofaq, dunno, only used it a few years ago
[04:34] <cbx33> leobloom, yes
[04:34] <cbx33> that's because no other account has permission to run sudo
[04:34] <cbx33> sudo means...do anything after this as if it were the administrator
[04:35] <cbx33> you have permission to do that
[04:35] <leobloom> oh, didn't know this =o/
[04:35] <cbx33> other accounts don;t
[04:35] <cbx33> by deafult
[04:35] <cbx33> you can add it so they can
[04:35] <leobloom> so I can't connect on the other accounts?
[04:35] <cbx33> well you can
[04:35] <leobloom> ehm how?=o)
[04:35] <cbx33> but you must either give them admin access, or do some funky stuff with permissions to allow them to dial up
[04:35] <cbx33> if you get the money, it would be better to get a router ;)
[04:36] <cbx33> or if you have another spare machine set it up as a fireway/gateway
[04:36] <cbx33> s/fireway/firewall
[04:36] <leobloom> oh, well, I'll buy a new pc  after xmas anyway, my brother is too "scared" of using linux  :D so he wants a normal windows
[04:36] <cbx33> *bah*
[04:36] <cbx33> unless he's an avid gamer....linux is fine
[04:37] <rockprincess> woot, only 4 days and 7 hours til i have the codebreakers dvd version...yipeeeee :D
[04:37] <leobloom> nope he's not but he's scared of all his kinda new stuff, the only game he plays is caled ogame , dont know if you've ever heard of it
[04:37] <cbx33> rockprincess, heheheh
[04:37] <cbx33> no
[04:37] <leobloom> good rock, if I knew what they are :D
[04:37] <cbx33> get him using linux ;)
[04:37] <rockprincess> cbx33: it's rather quick, i wasn't being sarcastic :)
[04:38] <leobloom> eh, I will as soon as I can use it without any problem myself :D
[04:38] <cbx33> leobloom, ok
[04:38] <rockprincess> cbx33: btw, i saw your launchpad account today and found out your real name ;)
[04:38] <cbx33> heheh
[04:38] <cbx33> and....?
[04:38] <rockprincess> cbx33: *stalker* ;)
[04:38] <rockprincess> hahaha
[04:38] <cbx33> is that a bad thing??
[04:38] <rockprincess> cbx33: not at all ;)
[04:39] <leobloom> so there is no simple way to connect without being admin? But I'm sure i read that it's the only way not to get the few viruses  for linux that are around, I have no firewall or such instaled
[04:39] <cbx33> Sonofaq, you installing thunderbird too?
[04:39] <cbx33> well a firewall is pretty easy to isntall
[04:39] <rockprincess> cbx33: so you like kiting? ;))
[04:39] <cbx33> search for firestarter
[04:39] <cbx33> rockprincess, indeed I do
[04:39] <cbx33> I have two Fury .85 's now ;)
[04:39] <Sonofaq> i'v install it and th enig open pgp extention just setting up preferences cb33
[04:40] <cbx33> nice nice
[04:40] <cbx33> next step
[04:40] <cbx33> send em a mail encrypted with my gpg key
[04:40] <cbx33> you should find it on the generic keyservers ;)
[04:41] <leobloom> is there a ubuntu channel too? I have tons of other questions about it :D
[04:41] <bddebian> Heya
[04:42] <rockprincess> leobloom: #ubuntu
[04:42] <rockprincess> there  might even be #ubuntu-it
[04:42] <rockprincess> for italian help...i assume you're italian?!
[04:43] <leobloom> oh perfect!thatbks alot then! I'll try to ask all my quesitons in the specific chan =o)
[04:43] <leobloom> yep I'm Italian, how do you know?=o)
[04:43] <rockprincess> good luck ;)
[04:43] <rockprincess> i did a whois request on you ;)
[04:43] <leobloom> ah ok :D
[04:44] <leobloom> well I suppose I can't be connected to two different chans at the same time right? I need to disconnect from this to connect to ubuntu
[04:44] <rockprincess> no you can! try it ;)
[04:45] <leobloom> ohnice :D
[04:47] <leobloom> =o) sorry
[04:47] <cbx33> heheh
[04:47] <leobloom> I've never used irc so I'm not really good with this  either lol :D
[04:48] <cbx33> hehe
[04:48] <cbx33> irc rocks
[04:48] <leobloom> how come there are so few chans? I've searched throught e web and there should be thousands of them
[04:49] <cbx33> so few
[04:49] <cbx33> there are loads
[04:49] <leobloom> but the software I'm using only shows some dozens of servers
[04:50] <cbx33> how goes it Sonofaq ?
[04:50] <cbx33> hmmm
[04:50] <cbx33> i don;t know then ;)
[04:50] <cbx33> i guess i only know the ones I use a lot
[04:50] <leobloom> it's called Xchat irc, I've tried to add a server but havent found the button to do it
[04:50] <cbx33> and that's 5 ubuntu channels
[04:50] <Sonofaq> well im just waiting for gnupg to downlaod cbx33 then i'll be ther
[04:51] <cbx33> heheh
[04:51] <cbx33> taking it's time is it?
[04:51] <cbx33> oh
[04:51] <cbx33> did I tell you I started chopping up YouthLUG Radio
[04:51] <cbx33> yes I did
[04:51] <cbx33> didn't I?
[04:51] <juliux> ogra, ping
[04:52] <willvdl> where is mhz these days?
[04:52] <cbx33> willvdl, no idea
[04:52] <cbx33> he pops in every now and then
[04:52] <willvdl> hmmm. he authored half the wiki :)
[04:52] <cbx33> I know he's done a lot
[04:52] <cbx33> he worked with me on a few things
[04:52] <cbx33> great guy
[04:53] <juliux> ogra, forget the ping, i think you have no time before beta release
[04:57] <willvdl> how come our wiki homepage is EdubuntuWiki and not Edubuntu?
[05:01] <cbx33> juliux, it should be Edubuntu
[05:01] <juliux> cbx33, sorry?
[05:02] <cbx33> the homepage...as far as I knew should be w.u.c/Edubuntu
[05:03] <juliux> cbx33, about what are you talking??
[05:03] <juliux> cbx33, could it be that you mean willvdl ?
[05:03] <willvdl> :)
[05:03] <willvdl> will log a bug
[05:04] <cbx33> oh
[05:04] <cbx33> sorry
[05:04] <cbx33> juliux, forgive me
[05:04] <cbx33> willvdl, I was meaning you
[05:04] <juliux> cbx33, its ok;)
[05:04] <cbx33> Sonofaq, howz it going?
[05:05] <Sonofaq> almost finished can you link thunderbird to hotmail cbx33
[05:05] <cbx33> no
[05:05] <cbx33> that's why I was going to setup that other account
[05:05] <cbx33> willvdl, DUDE!!!!!!!!
[05:05] <cbx33> that page is huge
[05:06] <Sonofaq> if you set of that other acount i will ccreate a key for it cbx33
[05:06] <willvdl> eek, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook
[05:06] <Sonofaq> i have everingthing else working cbx33
[05:06] <cbx33> oh that's all old stuff ;)
[05:06] <willvdl> it's on h.u.c
[05:06] <cbx33> well....pygi and HedgeMage wrote some of that.....although so did others like myself
[05:06] <cbx33> yes
[05:06] <cbx33> but the handbook is taking over
[05:07] <cbx33> cookbook was never 100% compelte
[05:07] <willvdl> is it a copy of https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook
[05:07] <cbx33> Sonofaq, ok hang on a sec
[05:07] <Sonofaq> cool cbx33
[05:08] <willvdl> ah, redirect
[05:08] <cbx33> Sonofaq, what do you want your email address to be?
@youthlug.org
[05:09] <Sonofaq> mmmm blondefriend@youthlug.org
[05:10] <cbx33> ok
[05:10] <cbx33> know how to add a mai laccount in thunderbird?
[05:10] <Sonofaq> yeah
[05:11] <cbx33> ok
[05:11] <cbx33> I'm gonna pm you some details
[05:11] <Sonofaq> cool
[05:18] <willvdl> cbx33, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/ReportTemplate ?
[05:19] <cbx33> destroy it
[05:23] <willvdl> kill kill kill
[05:23] <willvdl> list is done. whew
[05:24] <willvdl> tomorrow I'll start work on the front page and propose a structure/organisation for the wiki: namespaces etc.
[05:25] <cbx33> nice one willvdl
[05:25] <cbx33> you're working hard
[05:25] <cbx33> lemme know if there is anything I can do
[05:25] <willvdl> review and edit :)
[05:25] <willvdl> you've been here longer than me
[05:26] <cbx33> ok dude
[05:33] <willvdl> going to start on obvious deletions
[05:33] <willvdl> based on feedback from you, ogra and others
[05:33] <willvdl> cbx33: https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+bug/76463
[05:34] <cbx33> cool
[05:34] <willvdl> bug 76463
[05:34] <willvdl> (where is Ubugtu?)
[05:43] <willvdl> edubuntugirl, what is bug 76463?
[05:43] <edubuntugirl> willvdl: huh?
[05:43] <willvdl> sigh
[05:44] <cbx33> hehe
[05:44] <cbx33> aww bless her
[05:44] <ogra> just use the right channels for bugs :P
[05:44] <cbx33> hey ogra
[05:44] <cbx33> GRRRRRRRR
[05:44] <cbx33> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
[05:44] <cbx33> this just isn't fair dude
[05:45] <cbx33> you're like ..... Mr Bond
[05:45] <highvoltage> cbx33: does that make you Q? :)
[05:45] <cbx33> no
[05:45] <cbx33> makes me sad :(
[05:45] <cbx33> :'(
[05:45] <cbx33> how are you highvoltage
[05:46] <highvoltage> kind of been on holiday
[05:46] <cbx33> willvdl, where is the EdubuntuWiki page pointed from
[05:46] <highvoltage> so feeling a bit more relaxed than usual
[05:47] <highvoltage> cbx33: how are you?
[05:47] <cbx33> yeh good
[05:47] <cbx33> working on YouthLUG
[05:47] <willvdl> cbx33, I don't think it is. "Edubuntu" redirects to it
[05:47] <cbx33> ahhh
[05:48] <highvoltage> cbx33: wow, haven't heard about youthlug in a while, you should blog about that sometime!
[05:48] <cbx33> i blogged abotu it a few days ago
[05:48] <cbx33> well
[05:48] <cbx33> the python side of it anyway ;)
[05:48] <cbx33> we have a website now
[05:48] <cbx33> which I'm working on
[05:48] <cbx33> just got one of our memebrs a gpg key
[05:50] <willvdl> hey highvoltage, do you know what https://wiki.edubuntu.org/%e9%a6%96%e9%a0%81 was used for?
[05:52] <highvoltage> willvdl: I'm afraid I have no idea
[05:52] <highvoltage> ah
[05:52] <willvdl> there's three of them :)
[05:53] <cbx33> THREE?
[05:53] <highvoltage> willvdl: I think someone wanted to start a translation to some asian language?
[05:53] <willvdl> all basically the frontpage with unicode titles
[05:53] <highvoltage> brb
[05:54] <willvdl> hmmm. Doc Team wants wiki translations to be done through LoCo's (and their sites). No current plans for wiki translations
[05:59] <cbx33> that woudl be a huge task
[06:01] <willvdl> well point is that moinmoin wiki at the mo is not setup to handle translations
[06:01] <cbx33> can it be?
[06:02] <cbx33> that would/should be a major step forward
[06:04] <cbx33> it would be a great step forward.....though...would they complain about rosetta noe being useD?
[06:07] <willvdl> I think it's a problem with wiki templates. not familiar with the history
[06:08] <cbx33> ahhh
[06:22] <willvdl> ciao all. see tomorrow
[06:24] <highvoltage> bye willvdl
[06:24] <highvoltage> take care
[06:25] <willvdl> ciao
[06:25] <willvdl> nearly holiday :)
[06:25] <willvdl> East Coast meander on Saturday
[06:25] <highvoltage> kewl
[06:29] <capt_kirk> Evening all.
[06:29] <highvoltage> hi capt_kirk
[06:30] <capt_kirk> Anyone have an opinion on whether to run LDAP/Samba on the same box as my LTSP server, or on a separate box?  I'm wondering if anyone knows about the relative CPU usage vs network traffic tradeoffs.  Thanks.
[06:31] <highvoltage> if it's going to be a busy samba server, it's best to keep it on another box, since preserving disk bandwidth on your ltsp server is quite important
[06:32] <capt_kirk> thanks.  it will be fairly lightly loaded.  Right now 8 thin-clients, building to about 30 or 40 over the next year (depending on funding).  Total of about 120 users on those clients.
[06:33] <capt_kirk> external windows access to the samba will only be about 10 windows boxes.
[06:36] <capt_kirk> highvoltage: Am I right in thinking to put the Samba/LDAP on the older of our two servers?  Seems like the LTSP server has the higher CPU/RAM requirements.  Thanks.
[06:37] <sbalneav> capt_kirk: Yes, the LTSP server will be more heavily loaded than a samba server
[06:39] <capt_kirk> sbalneav: Thanks!
[06:39] <stgraber> hi
[06:43] <cbx33> hey sbalneav
[06:44] <sbalneav> Hello cbx33
[06:48] <jomolina> http://tiorubo.blogspot.com/2006/12/microsoft-y-el-vaporware.html
[06:51] <capt_kirk> sbalneav or highvoltage: If I offload the /home directories to the Samba server on another box (and access them using LDAP authentication), will that help with LTSP performance by reducing the demand on its hard drive, or hurt it by putting more demands on the external NIC?
[07:03] <Sonofaq> cbx33 you there
[07:13] <LaserJock> ogra: you around today?
[07:26] <highvoltage> capt_kirk: if you have a gigabit network card between the two servers, I think it would be faster indeed
[07:29] <capt_kirk> highvoltage:  Thanks.  That's one of the funding hitches now, getting gigabit into our infrastructure.  (Poor Tanzanian college that I'm helping for a year.)  But this argument will hopefully get some help in beefing up the infrastructure more cheaply than buying a huge single server.
[11:34] <kambei> Anyone awake?