[12:11] <tsmithe> yeah
[12:11] <tsmithe> well
[12:11] <tsmithe> it wasn't 225
[12:11] <tsmithe> and i didn't expect to be allowed to do it :)
[12:11] <somerville32> 25 isn't released yet :P
[12:11] <tsmithe> nope
[12:11] <tsmithe> i thought i was
[12:11] <tsmithe> :(
[12:12] <tsmithe> :P
[12:12] <tsmithe> sorry bout that, guys
[12:17] <somerville32> I need to go
[12:17] <somerville32> Please let elkbuntu finish
[12:17] <somerville32> then copy back to wiki
[12:18] <somerville32> Bug Burgundavia/Burgwork to get it sent tonight if all is good
[12:18] <somerville32> And feel free to start on UWN 26
[12:18] <beuno> somerville32, is the base for UWN 26 already layed out?
[12:19] <somerville32> Yes
[12:19] <somerville32> Just start hacking away at it
[12:19] <beuno> will do
[12:19] <beuno> cya tomorrow then
[12:20] <somerville32> UWN 26 is going to be late
[12:20] <somerville32> We'll release it this weekend
[12:21] <beuno> as long as they don't put in as many packages  ;D
[12:30] <beuno> leaving for a while
[12:30] <beuno> cya all later
[12:30] <tsmithe> bye
[12:31] <somerville32> UWN 25 copied back to wiki
[12:31] <tsmithe> yes
[12:31] <tsmithe> Burgwork, got that? :)
[12:32] <tsmithe> i'm off
[12:32] <tsmithe> good night
[12:34] <somerville32> This flu is really getting to me
[12:41] <tsmithe> the fatigue is really getting to me
[12:41] <tsmithe> really, this time
[12:42] <tsmithe> and get well soon cody
[12:42] <tsmithe> :)
[12:42] <elkbuntu> somerville32, pray tell, are you at all aware of what you started yesterday with -ops
[12:46] <Admiral_Chicago> somerville32: what the status on UWN?
[12:46] <tsmithe> done
[12:46] <tsmithe> but i'm not allowed to say that until Burgwork says so
[12:47] <poningru> elkbuntu: oh blargh?
[12:57] <somerville32> elkubuntu: A little too aware if you ask me ;] 
[12:57] <somerville32> Admiral_Chicago, On wiki
[12:57] <somerville32> Feel free to proof
[12:59] <Admiral_Chicago> somerville32: isn' feisty using a new kernel
[12:59] <Admiral_Chicago> 2.6.20
[12:59] <somerville32> Admiral_Chicago, Mentioned last week
[12:59] <Admiral_Chicago> i could have sworn I installed it today
[12:59] <Admiral_Chicago> somerville32: no i mean that ins't 2.6.19
[12:59] <Admiral_Chicago> it's 20
[01:00] <somerville32> Kernel upgrades happen all the time ;] 
[01:00] <somerville32> UWN 25 is for last week remember
[01:01] <Admiral_Chicago> oh yea i remember that now.
[01:09] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm UWN looks good to me
[01:17] <MitchM_> jenda, server is online.
[01:43] <XiXaQ> hey people. How can I use the Ubuntu logo in my own Enterprise?
[01:44] <XiXaQ> the business isn't strictly Ubuntu related, but it relies heavily on it. 
[01:44] <Admiral_Chicago> XiXaQ: what do you mean Enterprise/
[01:45] <XiXaQ> my own projects and businesses?
[01:45] <XiXaQ> commersial ones.
[01:46] <poningru> XiXaQ: we are not qualified to answer that question you have to contact canonical regarding that
[01:46] <poningru> hold I will get you the email
[01:47] <XiXaQ> for instance, a hosting company. It delivers web, storage and mail-services for its users. It relies havily on Ubuntu. Can they use the Ubuntu logo as a "stamp" on their banner?
[01:47] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, poningru is correct
[01:47] <XiXaQ> so there isn't any "open source"-way?
[01:48] <cellofellow> nope, that's all (C) and TM Canonical.
[01:48] <XiXaQ> I was thinking of having a Firefox logo-stamp, an Evolution stamp, a Hula stamp, and so forth.
[01:48] <poningru> err actually with that iirc you can just use powered by ubuntu stamp
[01:49] <XiXaQ> hmm. But I'd like to use it as part of my banner. Space is very limited, so I'd like to just use the simple logo.
[01:49] <poningru> yeah not sure about that... hold on
[01:50] <cellofellow> Firefox you'll need to beg from Mozilla, and Evolution is I believe Novell.
[01:50] <XiXaQ> cellofellow, yes, but Novell is ok. I communicate well with them.
[01:50] <cellofellow> ok :)
[01:51] <poningru> XiXaQ: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy?highlight=%28trademark%29
[01:51] <poningru> http://www.ubuntu.com/legal
[01:52] <XiXaQ> thanks :)
[01:55] <XiXaQ> I actually vowed to God that I would uphold the Ubuntu principles when I was nine. I didn't know it though. It was called "speiderloven", which is a norwegian word, meaning something like "the law that all scouts must obey". I've always felt comforable with it and been proud of it. I discovered that ubuntu actually is more compatible with my beliefs, because it doens't restrict me to christianity.
[01:56] <XiXaQ> otherwise, they are the same.
[01:59] <jenda> MitchM_: great, thanks :)
[02:00] <XiXaQ> I'm guessing it'll probably be ok so long as I use an image map and let the different logos point to their respective sites.
[02:16] <poningru> yeah awesome
[06:05] <somerville32> There appears to be some stuff missing from the feisty changes for the copy on the wiki
[06:05] <somerville32> I'll fix it tomorrow
[10:22] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, et al, did you see? :( http://www.smh.com.au/news/web/copyright-ruling-puts-linking-on-notice/2006/12/19/1166290520771.html
[10:23] <Madpilot> I did - nice job of breaking copyright by linking to it from here :)
[10:25] <elkbuntu> i know
[10:25] <elkbuntu> and from my blog
[10:25] <elkbuntu> they have the internet in jail, right? :
[10:26] <Madpilot> a broad interpretation of that ruling could well fubar things good and hard in .au
[10:26] <elkbuntu> indeed
[10:26] <elkbuntu> i'm interested to see how it does down
[10:27] <elkbuntu> i'm envisaging it's going to enable alot of revenge litigation
[10:28] <Madpilot> fun
[10:54] <jenda> Madpilot: interesting part message you've got there. It genuine, too...
[10:55] <Madpilot> an autokill script has taking a liking to me, and keeps issuing k-lines
[10:55] <jenda> I know ;)
[10:55] <jenda> nalioth is to blame, as usual.
[10:55] <Madpilot> heh
[10:55] <Madpilot> not going near that one ;)
[10:55] <jenda> 
[10:55] <elkbuntu> im more curious as to how you're getting back in
[10:56] <jenda> looks like the script realises it's not doing the right thing.
[10:56] <Madpilot> apparently being an op & being /ubuntu/member cloaked helps me get back in
[10:57] <Madpilot> either that, or the script is fubar'd in several different ways all at once, and the klines aren't sticking
[10:58] <jenda> My guess is that it checks k-lines issued on registered group cloaks.
[10:58] <jenda> Although it's possible that k-lines don't even see cloaks.
[10:58] <jenda> (unlike bans)
[10:59] <Madpilot> I've no idea how klines work, actually... frankly never thought I'd be on the wrong end of one, either...
[10:59] <jenda> elkbuntu: some nice jurisdiction you've got there...
[10:59] <TheGods> i want a kline!
[11:00] <elkbuntu> jenda, can you read the austlii link and say how broadly interpretable it would be :|
[11:00] <TheGods> poor elkbuntu in crazy oz
[11:01] <jenda> Long live the freedom of speech. It seems that if you mention a murder on your blog, or even link to an article about it, you might be considered an accomplice.
[11:01] <jenda> 
[11:01] <jenda> (exaggerating)
[11:02] <jenda> I believe there is heavy lobbying involved, or even bribery.
[11:02] <elkbuntu> jenda, ffs, dont suggest it
[11:02] <jenda> hehe
[11:03] <elkbuntu> our anti-circumvention laws havent been formalised yet either... they're still in the works :-/
[11:04] <jenda> "If you give someone permission to do something that infringes copyright, that in itself is infringement as if you'd done it yourself. Even if you don't do the infringing act yourself, if you more or less condone someone else doing it, that's an infringing act."
[11:04] <jenda> Woohoo...
[11:04] <jenda> That makes the ISP's guilty too, not to mention the PC manufacturer...
[11:05] <Madpilot> jenda, so, would writing a newpaper article on copyright infrigement count as an infringing act?
[11:05] <jenda> Madpilot: looks like it to me ;)
[11:05] <Madpilot> cool
[11:05] <jenda> No, probably not.
[11:05] <Madpilot> :D
[11:06] <elkbuntu> jenda, read the bits at the bottom of the article, they're waiting for someone else to kick google in the nuts before they go for the kill there
[11:06] <jenda> Yes.
[11:06] <TheGods> google is immortal
[11:06] <elkbuntu> TheGods, hardly
[11:06] <TheGods> no... it's not
[11:06] <Madpilot> the various **AA orgs (RIAA & co) are utterly insane
[11:06] <TheGods> elkbuntu, i know :)
[11:06] <TheGods> debian is immortal, however
[11:06] <jenda> TheGods: Steve Ballmer will kill it.
[11:07] <TheGods> no way... he's too boring
[11:07] <TheGods> someone interesting will kill it
[11:07] <TheGods> if anyone
[11:07] <jenda> It seems to me that linking to any foreign site in the case that the country has slightly more permissive copyright rules is a violation now, too.
[11:08] <jenda> Because that site will likely contain material they are legally not allowed to use, according to australian laws, and therefore linking to it is illegal...
[11:08] <jenda> Haha :)
[11:09] <jenda> And elkbuntu, if you create this absolutely l33t desktop wallpaper, but don't release it under a free license, and you put it on _your_ blog, you're going to jail (do not pass Go).
[11:10] <jenda> Because you're effectively allowing people to download copyrighted material from your site... and did you exchange links with any of your friends? They're going wivya ;)
[11:10] <jenda> Enjoy.
[11:10] <jenda> I'm out for now.
[11:11] <elkbuntu> ok, so im not overreacting
[11:12] <jenda> Nothing short of civil war would be an overreaction IMO ;)
[11:15] <jenda> (this would go for website decoration, fonts, ads, etc. as well, unless they are under free licences)
[11:50] <Madpilot> night all
[04:07] <lotusleaf> whiprush gone for good? :(
[04:11] <jenda> lotusleaf: the last I saw of him was wiiprush
[04:11] <jenda> Maybe he's just too hooked.
[04:12] <lotusleaf> jenda: ya, that I remember =)
[04:12] <lotusleaf> oh well :D
[04:12] <jenda> !seen whiprush
[04:12] <ubotu> I haven't seen whiprush recently
[04:12] <jenda> Last Seen: 1 year 6 weeks 1 day (8h 41m 17s) ago
[04:12] <jenda> OMG
[04:13] <lotusleaf> :P
[04:13] <lotusleaf> prolly cuz he was logged in with different names
[04:13] <lotusleaf> either that, or I've been asleep longer than intended =)
[04:13] <jenda> hehe :)
[04:13] <jenda> lotusleaf: it is now 2115
[04:14] <lotusleaf> jenda: cool, everyone's running ubuntu
[04:15] <jenda> No, but we're hoping they will be switching soon.
[04:15] <jenda> Because MS Vista is out due next year.
[04:15] <lotusleaf> jenda: and duke nukem forever is, too! my god, it IS 2115!
[04:16] <jenda> Oh, and the world will run out of fossile fuels in 50 years.
[04:16] <jenda> And around that time, we should have working cold fusion reactors.
[04:17] <lotusleaf> jenda: but then the sun will end its life cycle and we will be forced to reboot!
[04:17] <jenda> uh oh :)
[04:18] <jenda> my marvelous uptime will be ruined :(
[04:18] <MenZa> :O
[04:25] <juliux> hi all
[04:26] <MenZa> hihi :)
[04:27] <jenda> juliux: got my mail?
[04:27] <MenZa> juliux: wann sendst du meine Polos ;)?
[04:28] <juliux> jenda, yes
[04:28] <juliux> MenZa, what for polos??
[04:28] <jenda> great ;)
[04:28] <juliux> ;)
[04:28] <jenda> juliux: that first address in the email is MenZa's
[04:28] <MenZa> :D
[04:28] <juliux> jenda, yes i see it;)
[04:28] <jenda> 
[04:29] <MenZa> :D
[04:29] <juliux> jenda, i thougt it is a surprise for him, so i don't want to said it in the channel;)
[04:30] <MenZa> xD
[04:30] <jenda> juliux: hehe ;) thanks - but no, it's hard business.
[04:30] <juliux> jenda, where are the ubuntu christams cards?
[04:30] <juliux> jenda, lol
[04:30] <MenZa> und, wo sind die Bildern von die Polos?
[04:30] <MenZa> Ich will ihr gern sehen ;)
[04:30] <MenZa> sie*
[04:30] <jenda> juliux: as yet, only christina has them.
[04:31] <juliux> MenZa, ubuntu.juliux.de/polo.jpg or ubuntu.juliux.de/bilder/
[04:31] <MenZa> woo
[04:31] <MenZa> danle
[04:31] <MenZa> danke*
[04:31] <lotusleaf> ubuntu christmas cards? do the kubuntu ones have unique snowflakes in place of gears?
[04:31] <juliux> jenda, shit, my father bought a color laserprinter so i want to print some christmas cards and send them to all people who help us in germany
[04:32] <jenda> juliux: you're free to prod her on the mailing list ;)
[04:32] <jenda> need nap, and then need go.
[04:33] <lotusleaf> cya jendafish
[04:33] <juliux> jenda, hmmm
[04:33] <juliux> jenda, cu
[04:33] <lotusleaf> nap really means wesnoth doesn't it ;P
[06:24] <Admiral_Chicago> somerville32: UWN 25 looked good
[06:24] <Admiral_Chicago> actually i have to edit the wiki, mispelled Eclipse
[06:59] <somerville32> Admiral_Chicago, There are some problems with the Feisty changes
[06:59] <somerville32> There appears to be some items missing
[07:01] <tsmithe> oh what?!
[07:01] <tsmithe> deleted my backup as well!
[07:02] <tsmithe> somerville32, what packages?
[07:03] <somerville32> I have a backup
[07:03] <somerville32> And several xfce4 stuff is for sure gone
[07:04] <MenZa> wb tsmithe
[07:04] <tsmithe> howdy
[07:04] <tsmithe> somerville32, you outside?
[07:04] <somerville32> was
[07:04] <tsmithe> it's cold outside
[07:04] <tsmithe> my hands are toasty warm from outside
[07:05] <tsmithe> for some reason being in the cold made them warmer
[07:06] <tsmithe> so anyway, i thought it was a bit weird that there were so few packages missing
[07:06] <tsmithe> i mean so few xfce packages
[07:06] <tsmithe> i did *not* expect there to be loads missing
[07:07] <somerville32> I doubt there are _loads_ missing
[07:07] <somerville32> However, there are a number of them
[07:08] <tsmithe> ok
[07:09] <tsmithe> do you have a lis
[07:09] <tsmithe> do you have a list
[07:09] <somerville32> I have the doc before sorting happened (I believe)
[07:09] <tsmithe> ok
[07:09] <somerville32> Can I DCC it to you?
[07:10] <tsmithe> yes
[07:11] <tsmithe> do i need to have open firewall ports?
[07:11] <somerville32> lol
[07:11] <somerville32> I would guess
[07:11] <tsmithe> cos it seems to hate me
[07:11] <tsmithe> you could just email it me
[07:11] <tsmithe> toby . smithe at gmail . com
[07:11] <somerville32> k
[07:14] <somerville32> tsmithe, sent
[07:15] <tsmithe> cool
[07:15] <tsmithe> should i go through it to check which packages are missing?
[07:15] <somerville32> Yes.
[07:15] <somerville32> Please.
[07:16] <tsmithe> will do
[07:17] <tsmithe> in fact... should i just put them straight into the wiki page?
[07:17] <somerville32> Yup, if they aren't there, just copy it over to the appropriate category
[07:18] <somerville32> Make sure it isn't just hiding in another category though
[07:18] <somerville32> Thanks a bunch! :)
[07:19] <tsmithe> woah...
[07:19] <tsmithe> there are a lot missing
[07:20] <somerville32> Thought so
[07:20] <somerville32> Good thing we're checking
[07:20] <somerville32> We spent 6 hours on that
[07:21] <somerville32> Don't want good work to go to waste
[07:22] <tsmithe> indeed
[07:25] <tsmithe> damn that's annoying
[07:26] <Admiral_Chicago> somerville32: well I won't be around to help until tomorrow evening at the earliest.
[07:27] <somerville32> kk
[07:27] <tsmithe> bye
[07:30] <tsmithe> somerville32, are you still here?
[07:30] <somerville32> Yes :P
[07:30] <tsmithe> cos there aren't any more xfce packages
[07:30] <tsmithe> :)
[07:30] <somerville32> Yes there is
[07:30] <tsmithe> not in that doc
[07:30] <somerville32> I noticed one right off the bat when I compared the two
[07:30] <tsmithe> which?
[07:30] <somerville32> I'll look into it more when I get home
[07:31] <tsmithe> ok
[07:39] <tsmithe> right... well i did all the missing packages from there
[07:51] <tsmithe> hi beuno 
[07:52] <tsmithe> there are still some things missing from that issue
[07:53] <tsmithe> so don't publish any translations until the issue is actually released
[07:56] <tsmithe> ping ping ping the beuno thing
[07:59] <beuno> hey hey
[08:00] <tsmithe> did you see above?
[08:02] <beuno> yeap
[08:02] <beuno> its still in gobby
[08:02] <beuno> so, np
[08:02] <beuno> I'll wait
[08:02] <beuno> what's delaying it?
[08:05] <tsmithe> missing feisty changes :(
[08:05] <tsmithe> i've added some
[08:06] <tsmithe> but there are apparently some xfce stuffs missing
[08:08] <beuno> packages?
[08:09] <beuno> is that really enough to dealy the UWN being so far behind?
[08:09] <tsmithe> yuhuh
[08:09] <tsmithe> yuhuh
[08:09] <tsmithe> :)
[08:09] <tsmithe> ask cody or corey
[08:09] <tsmithe> or other people with names beginning with co
[08:10] <lotusleaf> coors
[08:12] <tsmithe> yes....
[08:12] <tsmithe> "coors"
[08:14] <beuno> roger
[08:25] <mindspin> clearance clarence
[09:16] <jenda> danbuch929: around?
[09:20] <danbuch929> halloooooo?
[09:20] <danbuch929> jenda:here!
[09:21] <jenda> ah ;)
[09:21] <jenda> danbuch929: I just thought of one simple thingy
[09:21] <danbuch929> oh?
[09:22] <danbuch929> :-)
[09:22] <jenda> Could we add a little notice somewhere (bottom?) of the site that it's the working version of a broader marketing project, described at wiki.u...
[09:22] <jenda> /DIYWebsite
[09:22] <danbuch929> that's no prob
[09:23] <danbuch929> er, uh...   "np" I mean
[09:28] <jenda> danbuch929: lol :)
[09:29] <jenda> danbuch929: I mean, that was really funny. So funny, I might as well be laughing out loud now, although it's not probable - but I can still pretend to be, as you will never know.
[09:36] <tsmithe> jenda, you are mad
[09:36] <jenda> thanks :)
[09:36] <tsmithe> see?!
[09:37] <tsmithe> :)
[09:37] <danbuch929> hehe :-D
[09:48] <danbuch929> jenda:halfway done... :-P
[09:48] <danbuch929> I put the note in, but now I can't adjust the style so there isn't so much white space .... ssh is misbehavin'
[09:48] <danbuch929> yes yes... I could do it some other way..  I'll take care of it when I get home :-D
[09:49] <jenda> hehe :)
[09:49] <jenda> good night
[09:50] <tsmithe> night
[09:50] <tsmithe> and an early one for you!
[11:31] <beuno> any news on the UWN?
[11:31] <tonyyarusso> I think they were going to finish it tonight perhaps
[11:32] <beuno> ok, good
[11:32] <beuno> spanish translation is... 70% done
[11:34] <tonyyarusso> awesome
[11:45] <tsmithe> beuno, i haven't heard anything
[11:45] <tsmithe> somerville32, you around?