[01:02] <minghua> hi, I have a question about activating an existent team on LP
[01:02] <minghua> the Debian TeX maintainers list is the maintainer of several TeX packages, so its email is already imported in LP
[01:03] <minghua> at here: https://launchpad.net/people/debian-tex-maint
[01:03] <minghua> now they want to subscribe the bugmails of these packages
[01:04] <minghua> but the confirmation mail didn't seem to go through
[01:04] <minghua> http://lists.debian.org/debian-tex-maint/2006/12/msg00518.html
[01:05] <minghua> So I wonder if this is the correct procedure to activate a team email address on LP
[01:05] <minghua> if I can do anything to help, let me know
[01:05] <minghua> thanks in advance
[01:07] <sabdfl> interesting question, minghua
[01:07] <sabdfl> i don't know the exact details, best to ask salgado or kiko
[01:07] <sabdfl> they are in UTC -4 iirc
[01:08] <minghua> sabdfl: do you think asking on mailing list would be a better idea?
[01:08] <sabdfl> minghua: yes, go ahead, it's an interesting question
[01:08] <minghua> sabdfl: do you happen to know the moderation status of that list (I am not subscribed now)?
[01:12] <sabdfl> no, 'fraid not
[01:12] <sabdfl> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/bazaar-ng
[01:12] <sabdfl> oops
[01:12] <sabdfl> wrong list!
[01:13] <sabdfl> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/launchpad-users
[01:13] <sabdfl> minghua: try that one
[01:14] <minghua> sabdfl: thanks, I'll hang around a while and if nobody answers I'll mail to list
[01:15] <sabdfl> i think kiko et al have crashed already today
[01:31] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[01:52] <jenda> good night, mpt ;)
[01:56] <kiko> minghua, ping?
[01:57] <minghua> kiko: hi!  glad to see you are still here :-)
[01:57] <kiko> minghua, I'm about to fall azleep
[01:57] <kiko> but I saw your request
[01:58] <kiko> minghua, so what we need to do is rather awkward
[01:59] <kiko> hold on while I do it, but please don't look.
[01:59] <minghua> sure :-)
[02:00] <mdke> he's peeking!
[02:01] <kiko> minghua, what's your launchpad ID?
[02:02] <minghua> kiko: my LP id is minghua, too
[02:04] <kiko> minghua, there's one thing i can't do. that is credit your team with the work done by the original person
[02:04] <kiko> minghua, I'm going to place a request on our DBA to do that
[02:04] <kiko> the rest is now done
[02:04] <kiko> and you own https://launchpad.net/people/debian-tex-maint/
[02:04] <kiko> feel free to edit and update it to your heart's desire
[02:06] <minghua> kiko: Thanks a lot!
[02:06] <kiko> most welcome
[02:07] <minghua> kiko: do you think it's still worthwhile to send a mail to launchpad-users list, if just for documentation purpose?
[02:07] <kiko> minghua, sure!
[02:07] <minghua> will do
[02:10] <kiko> I'll reply to your mail asking stub to clean the attributions up
[02:10] <kiko-zzz> now what was I about to do again...
[02:11] <minghua> hehe
[03:55] <mpt> ha
[03:56] <mpt> jamesh, I clicked the link in your Mugshot invite, and got an "Oops!" error page
[03:56] <mpt> They've copied our error terminology! :-)
[03:57] <thumper> I'm getting an oops by hitting beta.launchpad.net
[03:59] <jamesh> mpt: does it still OOPS?
[04:00] <jamesh> mpt: I can try resending the invite
[04:01] <thumper> ok, gotta ask, what's mugshot?
[04:02] <mpt> jamesh, it works now
[04:02] <jamesh> thumper: it is a weird project Red Hat has been working on -- a combination of a web site plus an optional desktop client
[04:03] <jamesh> thumper: for sharing links and what songs people are listening to
[04:03] <jamesh> they've done some interesting things with instant apply forms for the web portion
[04:03] <thumper> jamesh: ok
[04:03] <thumper> instant apply forms sounds interesting
[04:04] <jamesh> as soon as a form field loses focus, it submits it to the server
[04:04] <jamesh> independent of the other fields
[04:04] <thumper> jamesh: using ajax?
[04:05] <jamesh> thumper: yeah.
[08:13] <jamesh> stub: ping?
[08:14] <stub> jamesh: pong
[08:14] <jamesh> would it be possible to get the new data for demo.lp.net?
[08:15] <stub> jamesh: It is already done.
[08:15] <jamesh> brilliant
[08:15] <stub> jamesh: Just need to run the security.py script to set all the permissions
[08:50] <jamesh> stu1: thanks.  I've got things up and running again.
[09:28] <Fujitsu> Are there screenshots anywhere of the 1.0 UI (or non-OOPS access to beta.)?
[09:30] <mpt> Fujitsu, no
[09:31] <mpt> brb
[09:50] <mpt> Now, who was that mentioning the 1.0 UI?
[09:50] <Fujitsu> Me.
[09:50] <mpt> ah, right
[09:50] <Fujitsu> Apparently :P
[10:04] <mdke> heh
[10:12] <carlos_> morning
[10:18] <SteveA> hi
[10:21] <jamesh> SteveA: demo.launchpad.net is up to date, and the Zope specs are imported: https://demo.launchpad.net/zope/+specs
[10:22] <SteveA> jamesh: is that all zope specs, or just zope3 specs?
[10:22] <jamesh> you can't go to https://blueprints.demo.launchpad.net/zope yet due to DNS issues
[10:22] <jamesh> SteveA: zope 3 specs
[10:22] <SteveA> zope3 and zope are both together, and separate in interesting ways
[10:22] <jamesh> I've filed an RT request about the DNS
[10:22] <SteveA> so, the specs are generally dealt with distinctly
[10:22] <SteveA> I wonder if there's a zope3 product series...
[10:23] <SteveA> becuase it would be good if the specs were attached to that series
[10:24] <SteveA> hmm
[10:24] <jamesh> there are zope3.0, zope3.1, zope3.2 and zope3.3 series at the moment ...
[10:24] <SteveA> I'm not sure product series and releases are set up effectively for zope3
[10:25] <SteveA> if we're going to do this well, specs for zope2 need to be viewable distinctly from specs for zope3
[10:25] <jamesh> are zope2 and zope3 related enough to be series on the same product?
[10:25] <SteveA> maybe
[10:25] <jamesh> as opposed to products in the same project
[10:26] <SteveA> there are different development communities, with some crossover and the same overall project leadership
[10:26] <jamesh> as an outsider, it looks more like separate products to me.
[10:27] <SteveA> how does it compare to the situation with apache?
[10:27] <SteveA> I'd expect with apache to have different specs and a different audience of developers between apache 1 and apache 2
[10:27] <SteveA> pragmatically with launchpad as it is, different products may work better
[10:28] <jamesh> well, apache 1.x has pretty much been abandoned by the developers
[10:28] <SteveA> but the correct modeling would seem to me to be a zope 2.x series and a zope 3.x series
[10:28] <SteveA> with releases within these series
[10:29] <SteveA> are there any other examples that fit this?
[10:29] <jamesh> I suppose Gnome 1.x vs. 2.x is slightly similar
[10:30] <jamesh> although the 2.x code base evolved from the 1.x code base, rather than being a rewrite
[10:32] <SteveA> at this point, I don't know what to do
[10:33] <SteveA> I do know that it will be confusing to have bugs and specs for zope2 and zope3 mixed together
[10:33] <SteveA> it's important that these are browseable, searchable and fileable separately
[10:33] <jamesh> that's partly why I was leaning towards two products in the same project
[10:33] <SteveA> it's important that a bug is targetable distinctly to zope3 and zope2
[10:33] <jamesh> which lets you search bugs separately or together
[10:34] <SteveA> so, it sounds to me like we should use product series, but the product series support in launchpad is not mature enough to meet the zope project's needs
[10:34] <jamesh> and the fact that the zope guys might want to target zope3 bugs to different 3.x branches
[10:36] <Fujitsu> Sounds like you need another level in the hierarchy...
[10:49] <matthewrevell> jamesh: ping
[10:51] <jamesh> matthewrevell: pong
[10:51] <matthewrevell> jamesh: Howdy. Do you have time today to talk about the process of migrating a project to Launchpad?
[10:52] <jamesh> matthewrevell: sure.  Is now okay for you?
[10:52] <matthewrevell> jamesh: Yes, that's great. How do you want to do it? Skype? IRC?
[10:52] <jamesh> lets do skype
[10:53] <matthewrevell> cool. I'm, predictably, matthewrevell
[11:56] <cprov> good morning
[01:24] <static> gooooooooooooooooood morning launchpad
[01:41] <kiko> hello freaknode!
[01:42] <Fujitsu> Hi kiko.
[01:42] <kiko> Fujitsu!
[01:42] <kiko> my god, what happened to my inbox
[01:43] <Fujitsu> Spam, or innocent mail?
[01:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76322 in malone "Should be possible to specify package in Launchpad advanced bug search" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76322
[01:46] <kiko> isn't that possible already?
[01:46] <kiko> Fujitsu, well, both
[01:52] <kiko> danilos, carlos, ping?
[01:52] <danilos> hey kiko
[01:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76591 in soyuz "Verify binary existence before linkify package-relationship on BinaryPackageRelease page" [Low,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76591
[02:08] <Laibsch> Hi, how can I add the information to Malone that UIM uses https://bugs.freedesktop.org/ as their bug tracker? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/uim/
[02:08] <kiko> Laibsch, visit +launchpad on that product
[02:08] <kiko> and update the bug tracker
[02:10] <carlos> kiko: pong
[02:12] <Laibsch> kiko: you mean https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/uim/+launchpad ?
[02:12] <Laibsch> Seems like I don't have sufficient permission
[02:13] <kiko> Laibsch, oh, you don't own that product? one sec.
[02:14] <kiko> Laibsch, done.
[02:14] <Laibsch> Thanks, kiko.
[02:15] <kiko> most welcome
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76476 in launchpad-bazaar "stuff you can get with bzr" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76476
[03:39] <bersace> hi all
[03:40] <bersace> it would be very nice if rosetta allow developer to download translation including proposal
[03:40] <bersace> proposal/suggestions
[03:41] <bersace> just by checking a checkbox
[03:42] <matsubara> bersace: I believe you're looking for bug 70974
[03:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70974 in rosetta "mo download without --use-fuzzy option" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70974
[03:43] <bersace> matsubara: thanks
[03:49] <bersace> bug 1
[03:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1 - Assigned to Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl)
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76427 in launchpad-bazaar "cannot record the last sync time of published vcs-imports branch" [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76427
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76604 in malone "Indentation isn't preserved for patches" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76604
[05:40] <Amaranth> I'm a member of the compizsettingsteam team and have my ssh keys registered with launchpad (and have used them with launchpad in the past) but when I try to do 'bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~compizsettingsteam/compizsettings/trunk' I get 'Permission denied (publickey).'
[05:42] <kiko> ddaa, matsubara: can you give Amaranth a hand?
[05:42] <kiko> that's a bit odd
[05:42] <ddaa> That's typical
[05:43] <ddaa> my last FiF patch will help people with this
[05:43] <Amaranth> is this a bug or am i doing something stupid? :)
[05:43] <ddaa> Amaranth: what is your person page on launchpad?
[05:43] <Amaranth> https://launchpad.net/people/amaranth
[05:43] <ddaa> try this:
[05:44] <ddaa> bzr checkout sftp://amaranth@bazaar.launchpad.net/~compizsettingsteam/compizsettings/trunk compizsettings-trunk
[05:45] <Amaranth> oh
[05:45] <Amaranth> my ssh key has travis as the user
[05:45] <Amaranth> *facepalm*
[05:46] <ddaa> Amaranth: a lot of people get confused by this
[05:46] <ddaa> I have a patch out that gives people the URL _they_ should use with sftp on launchpad.
[05:46] <ddaa> and some other helpful tips
[05:46] <kiko> cool
[05:48] <Amaranth> alright, seems to be working now
[05:48] <Amaranth> thanks
[05:49] <kiko> thanks ddaa 
[05:49] <ddaa> Amaranth: you should also use a checkout instead of pushing
[05:49] <Amaranth> why is that?
[05:50] <ddaa> it's better form with a multi-comitter branch
[05:50] <Amaranth> ah, alright
[05:50] <ddaa> so you cannot change the revno of revisions on the common branch.
[06:20] <elmo> why does the new guided bug report stuff always dump me half way down the page when showing me "similar" bugs?
[06:20] <salgado> elmo, I guess it's because it automatically focus one of the text widgets
[06:21] <salgado> just guessing, though, since I haven't used it yet
[06:21] <elmo> hmm, well, it's very confusing
[06:22] <salgado> I think I spotted this on the guided file ticket form and flacoste fixed it, but looks like nobody noticed it on the guided filebug
[06:23] <salgado> elmo, can you file a bug about it?
[06:23] <elmo> ok
[06:25] <ddaa> probably something having to do with the focus in the form input
[06:32] <danilos> kiko: 30 mins before the phonecall (just a reminder :)
[06:37] <elmo> ok, done as bug 76619
[06:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76619 in launchpad "guided bug report filing often dumps me into the middle of the next page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76619
[06:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76619 in launchpad "guided bug report filing often dumps me into the middle of the next page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76619
[06:46] <matsubara> the guided form is currently broken on rocketfuel
[06:47] <kiko> matsubara, let's make sure we are don't roll it out them! how can it be broken -- no test?
[06:47] <matsubara> kiko: probably. I checking why right now.
[06:48] <kiko> there is a test for it I'm sure which is why I'm asking
[07:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76620 in launchpad "RFE: Ability to restrict poll voting to members of a team" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76620
[09:31] <static> for the launchpad meeting tomorrow, are there certain things that I should have prepared ahead of time?
[09:31] <salgado> static, only your three sentences
[09:32] <static> salgado: ok, thanks
[09:33] <thumper> static: tomorrow? we'll I guess 1am is really considered tomorrow :-)
[09:33] <static> :)
[09:34] <thumper> no sleep between now and then for me though
[09:34] <static> thumper: 7am for me, I guess we are on opposite sides of the planet
[09:35] <thumper> almost: I am 12 hours different from SteveA and ddaa though
[09:35] <ddaa> hey thumper
[09:36] <thumper> morning ddaa
[09:36] <thumper> :)
[09:36] <ddaa> So, about "list of product with bzr" thing
[09:36] <thumper> yep
[09:36] <ddaa> I'm keeping the bug, and will try to do it early Jan.
[09:36] <thumper> ok
[09:36] <ddaa> If there is something preventing me to, I'll hand it over to you.
[09:36] <thumper> ok
[09:37] <thumper> ddaa, what are the relevant bugs, and I'll subscribe
[09:37] <ddaa> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/76476
[09:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76476 in launchpad-bazaar "stuff you can get with bzr" [High,In progress]   - Assigned to David Allouche (ddaa)
[10:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76651 in malone "Malone insists on setting importance, forgets entered text" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76651