[12:40] <coNP> Is bug #75659 a bug or a support request, what do you think?
[01:11] <ivoks> bug 75659
[01:11] <ivoks> ubotu: ?
[01:11] <ivoks> :)
[01:31] <enkrates794> Could 75659 be a feature request?
[01:34] <Burgwork> enkrates794: wishlist
[02:24] <Seveas> @reload Bugtrackr
[02:24] <Seveas> @reload Bugtracker
[02:24] <Seveas> hmm...
[03:14] <orion2012> does anyone have any suggestions for handling bug 46898?
[03:14] <orion2012> err #46898
[03:14] <orion2012> oh, ubugtu, come back!
[03:14] <orion2012> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/46898
[10:01] <palski> shouldn't it be hug day today?
[10:24] <dholbach> good morning
[10:34] <dholbach> IS IT THE HUG DAY?
[10:35] <seb128> dholbach: LOOKS LIKE IT YEP :)
[10:37] <dholbach> hey ivoks
[11:32] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bugtracker.bugreporter
[11:32] <Ubugtu> ubuntu
[11:33] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bugtracker.bugreporter ubuntu-bugs
[11:33] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bugtracker.bugreporter ubuntu-bugs
[11:33] <Seveas> (almost back to life
[11:37] <dholbach> hehe... thanks a lot! :)
[11:42] <Seveas> had to rework the bugreporting thing
[11:42] <Seveas> it's now using imap instead of using the maildir directly
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #72754 in bittornado (main) "Please merge from debian/unstable (overwrite ok)" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72754
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74837 in pysvn (universe) "sync request" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74837
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76573 in ttf-dustin (universe) "please sync ttf-dustin 20030517-4 from debian sid" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76573
[11:46] <Seveas> \o/
[11:46] <mc44> yay!
[11:52] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76575 in moin (main) "Please sync from debian/unstable (overwrite ok)" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76575
[11:53] <Seveas> it still has a bit of backlog
[11:53] <ajmitch> few hundred bugs?
[11:53] <Seveas> yeah
[11:53] <Seveas> about 200
[11:53] <mc44> flood the channel :)
[11:53] <Seveas> basically all bugs filed yesterday
[11:54] <Seveas> well, I should say 'in the past 30-ish hours'
[11:54] <Seveas> but it's a lot more robust now :)
[11:55] <Seveas> And I'm no longer abusing a friends domain for mailaddresses
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76485 in f-spot (main) "Please sync f-spot (main) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76485
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76578 in base-files (main) "custom /etc/motd doesn't get installed." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76578
[12:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76579 in abuse-sdl (universe) "instructions on first screen don't make sense" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76579
[12:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76580 in python-xml (main) "Please sync from debian/unstable (overwrite ok)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76580
[12:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76581 in xfce4-xkb-plugin (main) "SRU: xfce4-xkb-plugin in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76581
[12:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76390 in emerald "Emerald Theme Manager just crashed, I am not sure about what I did." [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76390
[12:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76563 in Ubuntu "[Feisty 7.04]  gnome-panel-screenshot don't save anymore" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76563
[12:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76582 in udev (main) "[feisty]  udev boot message on lowlatency kernels, udevd[3692] : lookup_group: specified group 'nvram' unknown." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76582
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76548 in Ubuntu "Beryl-Core crashes on start" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76548
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76455 in beryl-core "Beryl crashes on startup" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76455
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76583 in xfonts-baekmuk (universe) "Please sync xfonts-baekmuk (Universe) from Debian" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76583
[12:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76584 in Ubuntu "Nforce 680i SLI network forcedeth problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76584
[12:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76585 in telepathy-gabble (universe) "Please sync telepathy-gabble (Universe) from Debian" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76585
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76437 in glibc (main) "libc6 core-dumped" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76437
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76498 in configure-debian (universe) "[Merge]  configure-debian 1.0.2ubuntu1" [Wishlist,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76498
[01:08] <Ornedan> G'day. Does anyone know who I have to yell at to get bug 68380 fixed? It's merely a showstopped bug that's been unfixed for two months
[01:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68380 in eclipse "[SRU]  eclipse for edgy-updates" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68380
[01:08] <Ornedan> Make that 68053
[01:10] <seb128> bug #68053
[01:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68053 in azureus "Eclipse will not start (Edgy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68053
[01:10] <Ornedan> It's especially bad since there seems to be a fix, but the repository packages haven't been fixed
[01:11] <seb128> Ornedan: maybe ask on #ubuntu-motu, that's universe and non-supported officially, depends on MOTU
[01:12] <ajmitch> it looks like it's just waiting to be uploaded to edgy-proposed, if it hasn't already been
[01:13] <Ornedan> Ugh. Anally following good release practice now, but not when originally shoving out the broken packages at about the same time Edgy testing ended
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76587 in audacity (universe) "audacity crashes at record" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76587
[01:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76588 in audacity (universe) "please clean sound system before run" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76588
[01:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76589 in libnotify (main) "Please sync from debian/unstable (overwrite ok)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76589
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76590 in gaphor (universe) "Please sync gaphor (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76590
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76594 in firefox (main) "firefox crashed on gmail" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76594
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76595 in gworkspace (universe) "Please sync gworkspace (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76595
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76593 in acpi-support (main) "asus brightness hotkeys" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76593
[02:04] <cypher1_> sfllaw: hi is the request for ubuntu-qa started
[02:05] <Laibsch> Hi, how can I add the information to Malone that UIM uses https://bugs.freedesktop.org/ as their bug tracker? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/uim/
[02:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76529 in firefox (main) "Installing a extension (adblockPlus) and firefox close." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76529
[02:07] <Adri2000> Laibsch: maybe ask in #launchpad
[02:08] <Laibsch> thanks, Adri2000
[02:08] <dholbach> Laibsch: I don't hink that's needed - you can just click on "+ Upstream" link and supply the link for the upstream bug
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76596 in Ubuntu "Gnome desktop lost windows border and other features" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76596
[02:21] <gnomefreak> i kind of like that feature better but i dont like the new bug report helper
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76597 in xmms (main) "xmms crashes when reading id3 tag of certain mp3 files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76597
[02:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76353 in xffm-icons (universe) "xffm-icons crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76353
[02:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76549 in gnome-doc-utils (main) "gnome-doc-prepare can't create new docs" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76549
[02:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76598 in Ubuntu "cdrom not detected in feisty daily 19-12-2006" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76598
[02:52] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76562 in gnome-doc-utils (main) "newly created documentation isn't valid" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76562
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76388 in metacity (main) "windows don't move across workspaces" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76388
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76599 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Feisty: zydas 1211 USB device soft lockup on CPU#0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76599
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76559 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox hangs after burning a CD from a playlist" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76559
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76419 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "gdb makes kernel oups" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76419
[03:32] <robepisc> hi all
[03:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76490 in egnome (universe) "This package isnt installable" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76490
[03:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76600 in rhythmbox (main) "Move music files on import" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76600
[03:46] <sfllaw> cypher1_: Hi!
[03:46] <cypher1_> sfllaw: hi!
[03:48] <sfllaw> cypher1_: Have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA?
[03:49] <cypher1_> sfllaw: sorry no.. let me read it
[03:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76602 in dcraw (universe) "Please sync dcraw (main) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76602
[04:01] <chantra> hi there, has anybody checked that bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python-defaults/+bug/74956
[04:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74956 in python-defaults "[Feisty]  Can't import python module" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[04:02] <chantra> some python modules fails to import
[04:05] <sfllaw> chantra: Looking.
[04:07] <sfllaw> chantra: Please don't flip the status to Confirmed unless you're triaging it.
[04:09] <sfllaw> chantra: You can learn the proper steps to traiging by reading the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage page.
[04:11] <chantra> sfllaw: I actually meant to triage it as confirmed
[04:11] <chantra> should not have I?
[04:11] <sfllaw> Hmm, in which case, you should have unassigned doko.
[04:12] <chantra> okie I'm unassigning him then
[04:12] <sfllaw> chantra: Good good.
[04:12] <sfllaw> chantra: You wouldn't want to force him to do the work.
[04:13] <chantra> sfllaw: it seems that he assigned himself though
[04:13] <chantra> I didn't I just wanted to confirm the bug :)
[04:14] <sfllaw> Didn't he assign himself for triaging purposes?
[04:14] <sfllaw> It looks like it.
[04:15] <chantra> don't know, when I triaged the bug, it was still unconfirmed or maybe under need info
[04:15] <chantra> but I could confirm it
[04:16] <sfllaw> Sure.  Confirm and unassign.  You can see who did what in the Activity Log.
[04:16] <chantra> okie dokie, gonna check
[04:16] <sfllaw> bddebian: Barry!
[04:17] <bddebian> Hi sfllaw
[04:17] <chantra> sfllaw: did you put it back to need info?
[04:18] <sfllaw> chantra: I had.
[04:18] <chantra> cause, checking at the activity log, I've turned it back to confirmed
[04:18] <chantra> when I wanted to unassign it
[04:19] <sfllaw> All right.
[04:19] <chantra> so, should this bug be confirmed or not
[04:19] <sfllaw> It can be.
[04:19] <chantra> sfllaw: when I wanted to unassign it, my browser was still on the "confirm" window
[04:19] <sfllaw> I was just going to let doko confirm it.
[04:20] <sfllaw> But it seems that you've answered the real question.
[04:20] <chantra> sfllaw: doko didn't seem to be much active on this one since 8 december
[04:21] <sfllaw> chantra: Yes, I see that.
[04:21] <sfllaw> chantra: It's fine for you to Confirm and Unassign.
[04:21] <chantra> okie dokie, I'm quite new in bug triaging, so let me know when I do something wrong ;)
[04:22] <sfllaw> chantra: Cool.  Thanks!
[04:22] <coNP> I faced some difficulties triaging bug 75570
[04:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75570 in Ubuntu "Skype not in edgy-commercial" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75570
[04:23] <coNP> I tought it was not a real bug, but a support request, however I got corrected
[04:23] <dsas> oh, today is wednesday, didn't realise.
[04:23] <coNP> do you think I should confirm it now (since there is really no skype package in edgy-commercial), or set it to "needs info" (since I am still not sure that upgrading really breaks this package)
[04:25] <sfllaw> coNP: Hmm.  I have to think about this.
[04:25] <sfllaw> coNP: See, dapper-commercial and edgy-commercial aren't really run by the community.
[04:25] <sfllaw> coNP: They are run by Canonical Ltd. itself.
[04:25] <coNP> sfllaw: that's why i rejected the bug first
[04:27] <sfllaw> coNP: Let me check with some people.
[04:28] <coNP> sfllaw: thanks :)
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76499 in gnome-power-manager (main) "Spelling mistake in Brightness and Inhibit applets" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76499
[04:39] <bdmurray> Bug 76600 seems to be a feature request to me, but look at the canned responses I am not sure if the "feature request" canned response or the "changing defaults" response is more appropriate.
[04:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76600 in rhythmbox "Move music files on import" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76600
[04:40] <sfllaw> bdmurray: That's totally a feature request.
[04:40] <sfllaw> bdmurray: It doesn't have this behaviour, so there is no default to change.
[04:40] <sfllaw> bdmurray: The CD ripping isn't similar enough.
[04:42] <bdmurray> Okay. Is a spec the right way for the user to go or would they be more successful with the rhythmbox project itself?
[04:42] <sfllaw> Likely rhythmbox itself.
[04:42] <sfllaw> I think we might need a new canned response.
[04:42] <sfllaw> coNP: I talked with EtienneG about this bug.  And we've decided that it should be rejected since it isn't an Ubuntu problem.
[04:44] <coNP> sfllaw: then should I reject it again? and state that it is a package that does not belong among the supported ubuntu ones?
[04:44] <coNP> sfllaw: thanks, I noticed you did it
[04:45] <sfllaw> coNP: Yeah.  It's not that we don't support it.  It's that we CANNOT.
[04:45] <sfllaw> Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
[04:46] <bdmurray> sfllaw: If the response to a bug is "feature request" should it's status be "rejected"?
[04:46] <coNP> sfllaw: Sorry, maybe a stupid question. How do you mean "we CANNOT"?
[04:47] <sfllaw> coNP: There's no way we can upload to the -commercial repositories.
[04:47] <sfllaw> coNP: They're not Ubuntu.
[04:47] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Yes, Rejected is correct.
[04:48] <robepisc> hi all, I'm new here and have some questions
[04:48] <sfllaw> robepisc: Welcome!
[04:48] <robepisc> sfllaw: thanks :-)
[04:50] <robepisc> I just joined the bugsquad team in LP: my request is pending for apporval.
[04:52] <robepisc> First question: are there requisites I should have in order to join the bugsquad team?  If not (as I evince from reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad), why the an approval is required?
[04:52] <cypher1_> sfllaw: sorry was away.. i have done some triaging and merging until recently.. will i qualify for the ubuntu-qa ?
[04:53] <sfllaw> cypher1_: You have to answer the three points listed on that page.
[04:54] <sfllaw> robepisc: That is a good question.  It basically lets us expire old subscriptions automatically.
[04:57] <robepisc> sfllaw: Ok.  I've just seen the approvation mail in my inbox. Wow, I'm in the BugSquad :-)
[04:58] <coNP> robepisc: welcome aboard :)
[04:58] <robepisc> thanks you all :-)
[04:59] <sfllaw> cypher1_: Could you answer them here, or in a /query?
[04:59] <robepisc> Another thing it's not clear to me.  What can I do now that I couldn't before?
[04:59] <cypher1_> sfllaw: yes
[04:59] <bdmurray> sfllaw: I am unsure about how to proceed with bug 75509.  I have confirmed it in Edgy and want to mark it as confirmed but I am not sure which package it effects and to whom to assign it.
[04:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75509 in Ubuntu "All runlevels use X; singe user mode broken" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75509
[04:59] <sfllaw> robepisc: There are no material benefits to joining BugSquad.  You get extra permissions with joining ubuntu-qa.
[05:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76466 in Ubuntu "Timezone offset not working (Ubuntu 6.06 ppc)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76466
[05:01] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Unngh.  It's two reports in one.
[05:02] <sfllaw> bdmurray: For the one you've seen, hitting Alt-Left doesn't switch VTs either?
[05:02] <sfllaw> Nor plain Alt-F1?
[05:03] <sfllaw> In which case, that is a bug in linux-source-2.6.17.
[05:03] <sfllaw> The kernel handles VT switching.
[05:03] <sfllaw> Although it could be that your video modules have hijacked it.
[05:03] <bdmurray> sfllaw: I haven't tried both of those but can shortly.
[05:09] <bdmurray> sfllaw: neither Alt-F1 nor Alt-Left Arrow allowed me to switch VTs.
[05:09] <sfllaw> Yeah, sounds like a kernel bug.
[05:09] <sfllaw> What video driver do you use?
[05:10] <bdmurray> probably radeon on that system, I need to reboot to confirm
[05:11] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Try without the radeon kernel module and using the vesa X driver.
[05:11] <sfllaw> That way, you'll be able to narrow it down.
[05:11] <sfllaw> But radeon is free, so it is a linux-source-2.6.17 bug.
[05:21] <cypher1> any one has a ati rage128 card ?
[05:26] <robepisc> I have a pair of bugs I've been working on for some time: #59618 and #62868.
[05:26] <dholbach> whooo, happy hug day! :-)
[05:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76386 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "OOPS, seemingly when loading ath_pci" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76386
[05:26] <robepisc> I now have 2 fixes for them, and would like a core developer had a look.
[05:26] <bddebian> Crap, today is hug day? :-(
[05:26] <sfllaw> bddebian: Yup.
[05:27] <sfllaw> robepisc: Neato!
[05:27] <bddebian> Eeks, I've been trying to keep up with merges and REVU.. Sheesh :)
[05:29] <sfllaw> The community is getting big!
[05:30] <robepisc> #62868 in particular doesn't have a priority.  It turned out to be a casper_actually_works_for_accident kind of bugs, so I think it should be high priority.
[05:30] <sfllaw> robepisc: You will want rodarvus to take a look at bug 59618.
[05:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59618 in xorg ""Safe graphics mode" doesn't use VESA" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59618
[05:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76605 in vlc (universe) "Crashes on dvd navigation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76605
[05:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76606 in firefox (main) "Update Firefox to 2.0.0.1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76606
[05:31] <coNP> dholbach, may I msg you?
[05:32] <sfllaw> robepisc: For bug 62868, it's probably best to find tfheen or cjwatson online.
[05:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62868 in casper "swap partitions not automounted by the LiveCD" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62868
[05:32] <sfllaw> robepisc: I'm a little suspicious about using $PATH for initramfs scripts, and would rather they just specify absolute paths.
[05:32] <sfllaw> But that would be something to discuss with them.
[05:33] <dholbach> coNP: sure
[05:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76608 in firefox (main) "Crash when opening a bookmark via del.ico.us" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76608
[05:36] <robepisc> sfllaw: ok. thanks for looking at those bugs! I'll ping rodarvus and tollef/colin
[05:36] <sfllaw> robepisc: Excellent!
[05:37] <sfllaw> I think rodarvus will take your patch.
[05:37] <sfllaw> It looks very sane.
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76609 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "Reboot fails on a MSI MS-7005 (651M-L) mainboard" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76609
[05:40] <mc44> sfllaw: should I assign a bug for a request for the new security update of firefox to someone? I guess they will get to it anyway
[05:44] <sfllaw> mc44: They will.
[05:44] <sfllaw> Especially if the Security Team is subscribed.
[05:45] <mc44> sfllaw: ah I shall subscribe the security team then
[05:45] <keescook> mc44: just toggling the security flag will subscribe the security team.  :)
[05:45] <sfllaw> It's true!
[05:46] <mc44> keescook: magic! now fix it :p
[05:46] <keescook> mc44: heh.  must review, test, etc.  :)
[05:46] <keescook> it's on the list, no worries.
[05:47] <mc44> keescook: of course :)
[05:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76610 in gnome-panel (main) "Bookmarks don't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76610
[05:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76611 in gimp (main) "Configuring input devices dialog hangs after user input" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76611
[05:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76612 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "No Audio after latest 686 kernel upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76612
[06:06] <chris__> hey bug catchers - how long should a bug sit with status "Needs Info", without a reply, before rejecting it?
[06:09] <dholbach> chris__: I usually wait a month
[06:09] <dholbach> chris__: then reject it with an answer from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[06:09] <chris__> dholbach: ok, that sounds about right.
[06:10] <dholbach> Ok cool.
[06:10] <chris__> dholbach: thanks
[06:10] <dholbach> I have a query for desktop-bugs displaying "Needs Info" bugs sorted by "Oldest first" and I try to look through them regularly
[06:13] <dholbach> hey cassidy - happy hug day!
[06:14] <cassidy> thanks dholbach ! you too :)
[06:14] <xeruno> there's a lot of firefox crashes.... reported recently or its always the same?
[06:14] <cassidy> i start my bug day by reporting a crash in telepathy-gabble :)
[06:14] <dholbach> cassidy: ahh alrighty :-)
[06:14] <cassidy> zdra convince me to try gossip-tl
[06:15] <dholbach> nice :)
[06:15] <cassidy> and of course it crashs at startup :D
[06:15] <dholbach> strange, not for me
[06:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76496 in koctave (universe) "koctave does not starts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76496
[06:15] <cassidy> not fun if all work of course :p
[06:16] <xeruno> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/76509  Setting it to NeedInfo + Standard  response
[06:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76509 in firefox "crash at searching for java plugin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[06:20] <cassidy> dholbach: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9406
[06:20] <Ubugtu> Freedesktop bug 9406 in telepathy-gabble "Gabble crashs when trying to connect using gossip" [Major,New] 
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76613 in apt (main) "apt-get remove shows the package being removed as being able to be autoremoved" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76613
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76614 in ubiquity (main) "yaboot installer crashes while installing to iPod via Firewire " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76614
[06:21] <mc44> in feisty ifup reports "wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device", is this something the kernel is in charge of?
[06:21] <dholbach> cassidy: thanks, you rock!
[06:22] <cassidy> thanks for dbgsym packages :)
[06:25] <mc44> or should I file it against ifupdown?
[06:30] <bddebian> Do we have a "policy" on adding .desktop files now?
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76509 in firefox (main) "crash at searching for java plugin" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76509
[06:36] <palski> sfllaw: ping
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76617 in ubiquity (main) "installer has no option to skip grub install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76617
[06:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76618 in xterm (main) "Contents LD_LIBRARY_PATH cleared by xterm" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76618
[06:51] <sfllaw> palski: Pong.
[06:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76449 in rhythmbox "Cannot sort static playlists" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76449
[07:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76621 in ubiquity (main) "installer does not properly recognize graphics card or monitor" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76621
[07:08] <predius_> sfllaw: aren't we in the middle of the interviews?
[07:08] <sfllaw> predius_: Interviews?
[07:08] <sfllaw> predius_: For Ubuntu QA you mean?
[07:09] <predius_> Yeah.
[07:09] <sfllaw> predius_: Indeed we are.
[07:09] <predius_> sfllaw: and no one has shown up?
[07:09] <sfllaw> One person has.
[07:09] <sfllaw> And you're number two.
[07:10] <predius_> sfllaw: how can I get a list of the bugs I have triaged?
[07:10] <palski> sfllaw: and I was goingto to :)
[07:11] <sfllaw> predius_: You sort of have to keep track.  :)
[07:11] <sfllaw> predius_: You aren't triaging any bugs right now, are you?
[07:12] <sfllaw> palski: Hurray!
[07:12] <predius_> haven't in a couple of weeks.
[07:14] <sfllaw> predius_: I looked through Google and see you've done lots of support requests.
[07:14] <predius_> had some free time.
[07:16] <predius_> sfllaw: i also have a smallpackage in universe
[07:16] <sfllaw> predius_: Nice.  Well, maybe you could do some bug triaging today?
[07:19] <xeruno> sfllaw, Hi I came today for the interview too  ;)
[07:19] <sfllaw> palski, xeruno: Did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA?
[07:20] <sfllaw> If so, you can just start sending me answers.
[07:21] <xeruno> sfllaw, I have.. :)
[07:22] <xeruno> but there are not question there :P
[07:22] <sfllaw> xeruno: Well, you have to demonstrate three things.
[07:24] <palski> sfllaw: do you mind if I query you?
[07:24] <sfllaw> palski: Nope.
[07:25] <xeruno> sfllaw, I am not sure if I fit... or if I have enough experience :S but I will try to do pass the test :)
[07:26] <sfllaw> xeruno: Great!
[07:27] <palski> oh, I'm not registered user on freenode so i is not possible :)
[07:27] <palski> sfllaw: answers: 1) sure 2) I've read those 3) 71967 68442 46050 73394 72246 72026
[07:27] <xeruno> how i get my list of bugs?
[07:28] <sfllaw> xeruno: Look on your people page and click the Bugs link in the left sidebar.
[07:28] <xeruno> ok I was reading my karma :P
[07:29] <xeruno> but I never assing bugs to me :S
[07:29] <xeruno> I just cc it :/
[07:30] <bdmurray> sfllaw: The wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/CommonTasks refers to a "reasonable stage" when closing a Needs Info bug.  Is there a time period that is commonly used for reasonable?
[07:31] <sfllaw> bdmurray: About a month or so.
[07:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76623 in gnome-screensaver (main) "default screensaver cumbersome on old hardware" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76623
[07:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76624 in webmin (universe) "why was webmin dropped?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76624
[07:31] <sfllaw> bdmurray: If you cannot get in contact with anyone and the bug can't be isolated/reproduced, then it goes away.
[07:32] <bdmurray> It goes away on it's own or needs to be manually closed?
[07:32] <sfllaw> It needs to be Rejected.
[07:32] <xeruno> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/76541  I thinks it's NeedsInfo...  how good is the firefox crash file report for the developers?
[07:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76541 in firefox "FireFox Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[07:33] <Laibsch> I already applied for QA membership but have not heard anything for about two weeks.  Can somebody take a look?  https://launchpad.net/people/r0lf
[07:33] <bdmurray> Okay.  Should the "needs info" section of the "managing status" part of the wiki page I mentioned be updated?  I'd change close to "close as rejected".
[07:34] <sfllaw> xeruno: It's Needs Info because it doesn't have enough information to reproduce the bug.
[07:34] <sfllaw> xeruno: /g 27
[07:34] <sfllaw> Whoops.
[07:34] <xeruno> ??
[07:34] <sfllaw> xeruno: See the section on complete bug reports in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[07:35] <xeruno> sfllaw, I should assign it to me or it's just optional?
[07:35] <sfllaw> xeruno: You should assign it to yourself.
[07:36] <xeruno> sfllaw, I was going to mark it as NeedInfo... I just wanted to know if the crash report is usefful for the developer... for the future...
[07:36] <sfllaw> palski: It looks like you know what you're doing.  Welcome to the team!
[07:36] <xeruno> sfllaw, I already read it :)
[07:36] <sfllaw> xeruno: Oh, then yes.  The crash info is useful.
[07:37] <sfllaw> xeruno: It was generated by apport, and can be turned into something with more debug info if you have the appropriate debug packages installed.
[07:38] <xeruno> sfllaw, as I never assigned bugs to me  I have no history but my karma... that's enough for my application?
[07:38] <Laibsch> dholbach: I already applied for QA membership but have not heard anything for about two weeks.  Can somebody take a look?  https://launchpad.net/people/r0lf
[07:38] <sfllaw> xeruno: It would be good to see how you've triaged bugs.
[07:39] <sfllaw> Laibsch: Have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA?
[07:39] <sfllaw> Laibsch: It contains the process for joining.
[07:39] <palski> sfllaw: thank you =)
[07:40] <dholbach> nice, we're 101 people! :-)
[07:40] <dholbach> that's a pretty nice hug day :)
[07:43] <bdmurray> sfllaw: Okay.  Should the "needs info" section of the "managing status" part of the wiki page I mentioned be updated?  I'd change close to "close as rejected".
[07:45] <xeruno> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/76334 I can confirm the behaviour in edgy...   Medium importance bug
[07:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76334 in gnome-panel "Some remote filesystems work from nautilus but not from gnome-panel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[07:46] <xeruno> I haven't found duplicates...
[07:46] <xeruno> But I think is a nautilus bugs.. instead  a panel one
[07:46] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Yes, I think we can clarify that.
[07:47] <sfllaw> xeruno: I think it is a glib2.0 bug myself.
[07:47] <sfllaw> Can you search to make sure it's not a duplicate there?
[07:48] <xeruno> sfllaw,  gnome-vfs  bug maybe?
[07:48] <dholbach> what is a glib bug?
[07:48] <sfllaw> xeruno: Yeah, or a gnome-vfs2 bug.
[07:48] <sfllaw> dholbach: Bug 76334
[07:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76334 in gnome-panel "Some remote filesystems work from nautilus but not from gnome-panel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76334
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69020 in uim "update-manager failed for configuring uim-common" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69020
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76541 in firefox (main) "FireFox Crash" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76541
[07:50] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Would you like to edit the wiki page?
[07:51] <xeruno> sfllaw, it's a duplicate (I almost don't get it) but it is assinged to libgnome instead...
[07:51] <xeruno> bug 66461
[07:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66461 in libgnome "edgy: places->network servers error" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66461
[07:51] <dholbach> first of all, I'd ask which version of Ubuntu that is, then I'd ask what exactly he put into those fields, then ask if gnomevfs-ls <URI> works
[07:51] <dholbach> I doubt it's a glib bug, rather panel (or maybe gnomevfs)
[07:52] <xeruno> I thinks he's in edgy because I can  reproduce in my system
[07:52] <dholbach> xeruno: oh?
[07:52] <xeruno> but It's a dupplicate...
[07:52] <xeruno> dholbach, it's a dupplicate :P
[07:52] <dholbach> of which bug?
[07:53] <xeruno> bug 66461
[07:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66461 in libgnome "edgy: places->network servers error" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66461
[07:53] <dholbach> oh ok
[07:53] <dholbach> good work on that one, xeruno
[07:54] <xeruno> dholbach,  :)
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76625 in gnome-utils (main) "baobab suddenly crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76625
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76626 in f-spot (main) "screensaver broken in feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76626
[07:57] <Laibsch> dholbach: re https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA?, I promise to adhere to 1), I have read the texts in 2) and I have triaged quite a few bugs both in ubuntu and outside.  I do have QA status for openoffice for example and have triaged - although infrequently - for years there
[07:57] <Laibsch> dholbach: I am quite active recently with openembedded and have even got read-write access despite being an admitted non-dev without a clue about C++ and the like.
[07:57] <Laibsch> dholbach: Stuff I did in ubuntu is at http://tinyurl.com/y9nga9 although I believe that link lacks the ones that were fixed in the meantime.
[07:57] <Laibsch> dholbach: I can provide further URLs with bugs I triaged if you want to look at them.
[07:57] <dholbach> Laibsch: that sounds pretty cool - sfllaw: will you do the honours?
[07:58] <dholbach> Laibsch: sfllaw normally does the ubuntu-qa approvals
[07:59] <Laibsch> OK, you were listed as admin so I contacted you.
[07:59] <sfllaw> Laibsch: Yup, that's fine.
[07:59] <sfllaw> Laibsch: Looking.
[07:59] <dholbach> Laibsch: I'm the backup admin, lurking somewhere in the back of the room. ;-)
[08:00] <sfllaw> Laibsch: I think you can Confirm 40552 now that there's log info.
[08:00] <sfllaw> And since it's the most useful report there, you can probably mark the others duplicates.
[08:02] <sfllaw> Bug 68849 probably needs some attention from you again.
[08:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68849 in update-manager "Error while updrading from Dapper to Edgy" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68849
[08:02] <sfllaw> But things look pretty good.
[08:02] <Laibsch> sfllaw: I usually hesitate to confirm bugs I have not experienced myself.  But I guess I need to learn about the semantics of things at ubuntu BTS.  These are always slightly differing.  OE for example has a weird interpretation of the "Assigned" status.
[08:02] <sfllaw> "Assigned" means I'm responsible for it.
[08:03] <sfllaw> And "Confirmed" means that there's enough information for that bug.
[08:03] <Laibsch> In OE it means "I am working on it" ;-)
[08:03] <Laibsch> OE == openembedded
[08:03] <sfllaw> Ah.
[08:03] <sfllaw> But you are!
[08:03] <sfllaw> If you're having a conversation with the reporter.
[08:04] <sfllaw> You're not working on fixing it, but that's Assigned+In Progress.
[08:04] <sfllaw> Or Assigned+Confirmed.
[08:04] <Laibsch> no, no I was talking about how semantics of stati in project BTS differ and gave OE status for "assigned" as an example.
[08:04] <sfllaw> Right.
[08:04] <Laibsch> Was not talking about ubuntu in this case.
[08:05] <sfllaw> I thihkn bug 74558 is a support request.  It's OK to Reject that bug.
[08:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74558 in Ubuntu "websites don't accept my password" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74558
[08:05] <sfllaw> You can suggest he contact answers.launchpad.net or use the text in Bugs/Responses.
[08:05] <Laibsch> Just illustrating the need to learn about the meaning of the stati in ubuntu and the general importance of being careful to interpret the differences between different projects.
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76506 in hwdb-client (main) "hwdb-gui crashes on close" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76506
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76627 in nautilus (main) "Nautilus crashes on file browser window reload" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76627
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76628 in Ubuntu "Dapper needs an updated 'Service Pack' CD image" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76628
[08:06] <sfllaw> Laibsch: Welcome to Ubuntu QA!
[08:08] <Laibsch> sfllaw: Thanks.
[08:12] <ash211> hey, I'd like to join QA too
[08:12] <ash211> 1) I promise to be polite but #59586
[08:12] <ash211> bug #59586
[08:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59586 in ubiquity "Unable to install Ubuntu" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59586
[08:12] <ash211> 2) I've read both pages
[08:13] <ash211> 3) and I've done a fair amount of triaging https://launchpad.net/people/ash211
[08:15] <sfllaw> ash211: Being diplomatic is good.  Bug 59586 is pretty close.
[08:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59586 in ubiquity "Unable to install Ubuntu" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59586
[08:15] <sfllaw> Looking at +assignedbugs
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76568 in synaptic (main) "Can't select and copy information about a package" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76568
[08:15] <ash211> i got a good job email for that one
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76629 in openoffice.org (main) "openoffice.org-core vos::OTimerManager::lookupTimer() SIGABRT crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76629
[08:16] <ash211> I tend to subscribe to bugs rather than assign myself to them
[08:17] <sfllaw> ash211: Yay!
[08:17] <sfllaw> ash211: Please assign bugs when you are putting things into Needs Info.
[08:17] <ash211> Will do
[08:17] <sfllaw> ash211: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage has tips on this.
[08:17] <sfllaw> Thanks.
[08:19] <sfllaw> ash211: Looks good.
[08:20] <sfllaw> Welcome!
[08:20] <ash211> thanks
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76630 in gnome-utils (main) "gnome-screenshot crashes feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76630
[08:24] <DktrKranz> hi everyone
[08:24] <DktrKranz> could I ask some advices about Bug 53827?
[08:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53827 in git-core "Please ship libgit.a" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53827
[08:25] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: Hi.
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76417 in kdepim "Kontact toolbar messed up when using ActionList" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76417
[08:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76512 in synaptic (main) "Edgy Synaptic filter section list is empty" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76512
[08:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76632 in gnome-screensaver (main) "screen does not unlock after locking" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76632
[08:26] <DktrKranz> that bug asks for a shared library which is not packaged in Ubuntu nor Debian
[08:26] <DktrKranz> hi sfllaw
[08:26] <shrift> hey guys
[08:27] <shrift> I noticed that the package "gdb" the gnu debugger, is not tracked at all in malone. Is there somewhere else I should report a bug for this?
[08:27] <DktrKranz> after a quick read at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses, it seems it is the "new software not already in Debian" case
[08:28] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: I think that's slightly different, because it's already a source package.
[08:28] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: I think you can confirm a Wishlist bug to create git-dev.
[08:28] <sfllaw> You might want to change the Title to "Please ship libgit.a in a new git-dev package."
[08:29] <DktrKranz> ok
[08:29] <DktrKranz> could you please update Importance of such bug?
[08:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76633 in anjuta (universe) "Anjuta 1.2.4a hangs while configure and make a project" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76633
[08:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76634 in gnome-screensaver (main) "Screen won't unlock" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76634
[08:32] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: Gladly.
[08:32] <shrift> hey hey... that's my bug. : )
[08:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76635 in gaim (main) "usr_bin_gaim.1000.crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76635
[08:36] <DktrKranz> sfllaw, bug modified following your advice
[08:40] <sfllaw>  DktrKranz Thanks.
[08:40] <shrift> so does anybody know what to do when gdb causes my system to freeze?
[08:41] <Laibsch> Looking at bug 73873.  I want to ask a question, set to needsinfo and assign myself.  Malone requires I set an importance.  I cannot answer this yet.  Is this the desired behaviour of Malone or is this a bug? ;-)
[08:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73873 in uim "Japanese language input method (SCIM) in EDGY" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73873
[08:41] <shrift> can anyone help me get a backtrace on evolution, WITHOUT using gdb?
[08:43] <orion2012> any suggestions for handling #46898?
[08:43] <orion2012> bug 46898
[08:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46898 in Ubuntu "Mouse freezes in Linux after using KVM to switch between PCs" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46898
[08:44] <sfllaw> Laibsch: It requires you to set importance?
[08:44] <sfllaw> shrift: gdb is the way to go.
[08:44] <shrift> sfllaw: yeah, but it causes my system to freeze
[08:44] <sfllaw> shrift: That seems odd that it freezes you system, though.
[08:45] <shrift> sfllaw: indeed.
[08:45] <shrift> sfllaw: unless it just suddenly takes all of my processor for something.... for a moment I can click around, but then it seems to freeze everything up.
[08:45] <sfllaw> orion2012: Get the user to run cat /dev/mice/input
[08:45] <sfllaw> They should see something go by whenever they wiggle the mouse.
[08:46] <sfllaw> If the KVM switches, does anything happen?
[08:46] <DktrKranz> shrift, you could try to login in a virtual console and grab any kernel oopses, if any
[08:46] <sfllaw> If they unplug the mouse and plug it back in, does it fix things?
[08:46] <shrift> dktrkranz, if I understand you right, you mean hitting ctrl+alt+f1 right?
[08:46] <DktrKranz> yes
[08:47] <shrift> dktrkranz: becaues I am not able to login there after I run gdb, like I say, complete system freeze
[08:48] <DktrKranz> i think you have to export DISPLAY in order to launch evolution
[08:50] <dholbach> sfllaw: do we have some documentation somewhere that says that the importance of a bug is more a tool for a developer to organize his workload?
[08:50] <dholbach> sfllaw: I think it's important enough to point out.
[08:51] <DktrKranz> dholbach, maybe in open week logs? i think i've read something about it
[08:51] <sfllaw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance is close.
[08:52] <sfllaw> I've clarified this a bit.
[08:52] <dholbach> ah, that's better
[08:52] <dholbach> thanks sfllaw
[08:52] <dholbach> i hope that clarifies it a bit
[08:54] <DktrKranz> what do you mean with "It would be improper to change the importance while this developer is still responsible"?
[08:54] <orion2012> how should bug 49957 be closed and should it be marked as affecting something more specific?
[08:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49957 in Ubuntu "[dapper]  Lose mouse with psmouse module and keyboard slow using a kvm" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49957
[08:55] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: It means changing the importance of a Confirmed Assigned bug will upset someone's task order.
[08:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76636 in banshee (universe) "crashes on playing first song after starting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76636
[08:55] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: And will probably make someone grumpy for at least five minutes.
[08:55] <DktrKranz> :D
[08:56] <Laibsch> sfllaw: yes, it did.
[08:56] <Laibsch> sfllaw: Now this really is not funny.  Malone forgot the text I had entered when it threw the error.
[08:56] <DktrKranz> so, if a developer is going to work on a given bug (he put himself as assignee), importance shouldn't be changed, right?
[08:56] <sfllaw> orion2012: That's Fix Released, as it went away with a new version.
[08:56] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: Right.  Or someone else assigns it to her.
[08:57] <sfllaw> Laibsch: :(
[08:57] <DktrKranz> ok, thanks ;)
[08:59] <orion2012> sfllaw: should it be marked as affecting linux-image even though it was never actually confirmed? basically, given the bugsquad's general disgust for bugs filed on Ubuntu, should steps be taken to assign packages without confirmation?
[08:59] <orion2012> not assign, mark as affecting
[09:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76637 in meta-gnome2 (universe) "gnome-panel-relatorio" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76637
[09:02] <orion2012> err, "linux" rather than "linux-image"
[09:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76639 in sudo (main) "sudo: timestamp too far in the future" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76639
[09:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76638 in rt2x00 (universe) "Cannot build against 2.6.20 (INIT_WORK change)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76638
[09:07] <Laibsch> How do I see all bugs in uim (upstream)?
[09:07] <DktrKranz> Laibsch, https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/uim/+bugs
[09:09] <Laibsch> DktrKranz: no, that is the ones in ubuntu.  I want the upstream ones.  There must be an URL.  I have visited it earlier.
[09:09] <DktrKranz> do you mean upstream bugtracker?
[09:10] <Laibsch> No, I mean bugs marked with "uim (upstream)"
[09:11] <Laibsch> DktrKranz: look at bug 69020.  It affects both upstream and ubuntu.
[09:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69020 in uim "update-manager failed for configuring uim-common" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69020
[09:11] <sfllaw> orion2012: Well, if we don't know which package is responsible, there's no point in putting it in one.
[09:12] <Laibsch> I want not a list of bugs in ubuntu, but in upstream.
[09:12] <sfllaw> That's available in Advanced Search, I believe.
[09:12] <sfllaw> Laibsch: Or do you want something for uim (upstream) in particular?
[09:12] <DktrKranz> In advanced search there is a similar option, but it hides such bugs
[09:13] <sfllaw> Ah.
[09:13] <sfllaw> Damn.
[09:13] <sfllaw> That's no good.
[09:13] <DktrKranz> i agree
[09:14] <Laibsch> sfllaw: No, advanced search (which I don't find particularly advanced :-( ) does not have it.  I just stumbled across it by accident now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/uim/trunk/
[09:14] <sfllaw> Laibsch: Excellent.
[09:14] <Laibsch> but it's empty.  So probably not what I was looking for, either.
[09:15] <Laibsch> Whatever.  I was looking for one particular bug that IIRC was marked for upstream but not for ubuntu itself.
[09:15] <Laibsch> Here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/uim
[09:16] <Laibsch> bug 3120
[09:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3120 in uim "UIM frequently crashes programs when switching input methods" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3120
[09:16] <sfllaw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/uim/+bugs
[09:16] <Laibsch> And my IIRC was incorrect anyways.
[09:16] <sfllaw> Laibsch: It seems to be fixed in Ubuntu according to this bug.
[09:18] <cypher1> ogra, hi
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76640 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "linux-image-2.6.20-2: unable to boot Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76640
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "Atheros wifi0 device not being created by loaded ath_pci module" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76641
[09:30] <Laibsch> wow, this "importance" field is required stuff is annoying and totally broken.  Now Malone even threw a bug even though the importance field had already been set.  Where do I report bugs on Malone?
[09:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76642 in kdbus (universe) "kdbus crashing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76642
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76643 in tomboy (main) "searching makes notes wider" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76643
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76645 in meta-kde (main) "changes in kmenu disappear" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76645
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76646 in gspca (universe) "new upstream release" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76646
[10:02] <Laibsch> re bug 53244: where is the information for the menu stored?  I want to find out what package installed that menu entry the user was clicking on.
[10:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53244 in uim "Wrong link or dependency" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53244
[10:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76552 in firefox (main) "Firefox Crash when loading a page in a background tab" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76552
[10:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76648 in Ubuntu "When goes to screensaver, don't accept the password" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76648
[10:07] <zoydber3> Laibsch: I think menu entries are handled by .desktop files
[10:08] <bddebian> Laibsch: Should be /usr/share/applications/<app>.desktop
[10:09] <Laibsch> bddebian: Thanks.   Exactyl what I needed.
[10:10] <bddebian> NP
[10:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76522 in update-manager (main) "libgl1-mesa-glx_6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3 appears broken" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76522
[10:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76569 in rocks (universe) "rocks crashes when you launch them" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76569
[10:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76649 in yelp (main) "yelp displays Sans font as ugly bitmapped times" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76649
[10:11] <bddebian> haha at 76569
[10:19] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76436 in firefox (main) "Help crashes on launch" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76436
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76652 in kino "Error writing to KINO/MJPEG audio filter - aborting" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76652
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76653 in fontconfig (main) "Times, Helvetica, and Courier show up as bitmap fonts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76653
[10:32] <Laibsch> Should 69020 be assigned to MOTU devs and if so what is their nick/address to assign to?  I believe it should be since a) it is a universe package and b) omote@debian.org seems to be inactive in launchpad.  uim packages are in general in very bad shape, missing essential files (regression from dapper) and breaking the dapper-> edgy upgrade severely (happened to me)
[10:32] <Laibsch> bug 69020
[10:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69020 in uim "packaging bugs in uim prevent upgrade to edgy" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69020
[10:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76429 in thunar (main) "All files not always visible in "open location" list" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76429
[10:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76655 in update-manager (main) "Feisty update-manager break's" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76655
[10:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71909 in firefox (main) "Firefox crash" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71909
[10:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76425 in thunar (main) "Opening location by typing "/" does not give list of files in root folder" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76425
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76493 in democracyplayer (universe) "Democracy player won't start [feisty] " [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76493
[11:07] <cypher1> i am having lot of people reporting with not able to unlock with gnome-screensaver
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76657 in democracyplayer (universe) "Doesn't have a .desktop file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76657
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76658 in kvirc (universe) "Kvirc fails to register itself in gnome menu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76658
[11:16] <jhaitas_> anyone else have breakage with evolution-data-server?
[11:16] <Laibsch> Is there "an accepted way" to confirm bugs for a specific version of ubuntu?  It seems Malone is really versionless which would be a shame.
[11:17] <ogra> cypher1, i'll look into it tomorrow morning, the logs attached to the bugs are not very informative and i cant reproduce it locally here ...
[11:18] <sfllaw> Laibsch: It's OK just to confirm bugs themselves.
[11:18] <sfllaw> You can put the version number effected in the Description.
[11:18] <sfllaw> Edit Description/Tags is the link that will let you do this.
[11:18] <jhaitas_> anyone else have breakage with evolution-data-server?
[11:18] <cypher1> ogra, ok no problem.. is there any issues you are now aware with pam_unix interaction and gnome-screensaver with the latest debian merges
[11:19] <cypher1> ogra, i saw one claiming with gnome-screensaver 2.16.1 the problem is not there
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76659 in Ubuntu "Ruby crash with libxml" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76659
[11:20] <ogra> it wasnt there with 2.17.3
[11:21] <ogra> it seems to be caused by a recent change
[11:22] <cypher1> ogra, can be a pam issue also right ?
[11:22] <Laibsch> sfllaw: Mmh, I don't think so.  Most of the bugs I read today were dependent on version.  This is a VERY important piece of information.  Sometimes you can infer from the reporting date (fixed in edgy, but reported this summer, no candidate for an SRU -> set to fix released)
[11:22] <ogra> cypher1, yes
[11:23] <ogra> but i wont be sure until i looked deeper or get more info ...
[11:23] <Laibsch> sfllaw: Description is really just a crook.  you should be able to search on this field.
[11:23] <ogra> i updated bug #76632
[11:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76632 in gnome-screensaver "screen does not unlock after locking" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76632
[11:23] <ogra> and hope i get more info until tomorrow ...
[11:23] <ogra> night all
[11:23] <sfllaw> Laibsch: Well, this is true.
[11:24] <sfllaw> It's also something that we've got in the Launchpad pipeline.
[11:24] <Laibsch> Oh, got to know.
[11:24] <Laibsch> Are you a launchpad dev?
[11:24] <sfllaw> Laibsch: Nope.
[11:24] <sfllaw> Laibsch: I just bother them every few months.
[11:25] <Laibsch> sfllaw: bother them more often ,-)
[11:25] <sfllaw> Laibsch: As often as I can!
[11:25] <cypher1> ogra, thanks
[11:25] <ajmitch> sfllaw!
[11:25] <sfllaw> ajmitch: Andrew!
[11:25] <cypher1> ogra, there is a strace available in the dup of bug 76632
[11:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76632 in gnome-screensaver "screen does not unlock after locking" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76632
[11:25] <ajmitch> how are you?
[11:26] <sfllaw> ajmitch: Not too bad, you?
[11:26] <ajmitch> alright
[11:26] <ajmitch> looking forward to a holiday
[11:26] <ajmitch> then I can do more ubuntu work for a couple of days :)
[11:27] <sfllaw> ajmitch: You can triage bug 76662 right now.
[11:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76662 in imagezoom "Preferences dialog is empty in Firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76662
[11:27] <sfllaw> :)
[11:27] <Laibsch> sfllaw: How do I prevent Malone from sending me mails on changes *I* make?
[11:28] <sfllaw> Uhm...  You can't.
[11:28] <sfllaw> You can filter them out using your mailer program, though.
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76539 in gedit (main) "Strange Gedit startup/no startup at all" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76539
[11:33] <yuriy> hi, should stuff like bug 39635 be rejected?
[11:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39635 in kdebase "konqueror wont start on Xgl with compiz" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39635
[11:34] <yuriy> cause xgl isn't supported and we have aiglx now?
[11:34] <ryanakca> sfllaw: Hi, I had applied to ubuntu-qa sometime in July or August...
[11:34] <sfllaw> ryanakca: Hello!
[11:34] <ryanakca> sfllaw: did you want a link to my lp bug list?
[11:34] <sfllaw> ryanakca: That would be good.
[11:35] <ryanakca> sfllaw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/people/ryanakca/+assignedbugs
[11:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76660 in Ubuntu "Installation Problem IOError: [Errno 30]  Read-only file system" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76660
[11:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76661 in ekiga (main) "[RFC]  ekiga does not enable dbus" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76661
[11:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76662 in imagezoom (universe) "Preferences dialog is empty in Firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76662
[11:37] <joumetal> closed #76425 as fix released :)
[11:37] <joumetal> bug 76425
[11:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76425 in thunar "Opening location by typing "/" does not give list of files in root folder" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76425
[11:39] <sfllaw> ryanakca: Looking.
[11:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76663 in imagezoom (universe) "Removing mozilla-imagezoom corrupts Firefox's global configuration" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76663
[11:41] <ryanakca> kk
[11:42] <ryanakca> lol
[11:42] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: support requests are helpfull, but then, so is triaging
[11:43] <gnomefreak> ryanakca: i dont ever see new support requests like i did at one time
[11:43] <ryanakca> no?
[11:44] <gnomefreak> nope not in email
[11:44] <gnomefreak> just another way to help people :)
[11:46] <sfllaw> ryanakca: Did you take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA?
[11:46] <ryanakca> yep
[11:47] <sfllaw> Hmm, do you agree to points 1 and 2?
[11:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76532 in kdebase (main) "ksysguard is not run as root" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76532
[11:47] <ryanakca> sfllaw: definitly in case 1, and in case 2, yes
[11:48] <ryanakca> 76532.... I thought I had triaged that already... and it's a new bug?
[11:48] <sfllaw> ryanakca: Maybe it's a dup.
[11:48] <gnomefreak> its not new its confirmed
[11:49] <gnomefreak> sometimes ubugtu does that
[11:49] <ryanakca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnuchess/+bug/76532/comments/1
[11:49] <sfllaw> That's funny.
[11:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76532 in kdebase "ksysguard is not run as root" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[11:49] <sfllaw> It must be backlogged.
[11:49] <gnomefreak> a change on bug sends another notice
[11:49] <ryanakca> ah, might want to change it to "Updated bug: #randomnumber in myapp (myrepo), etc"
[11:50] <gnomefreak> thats seveas job ;)
[11:51] <ryanakca> yep
[11:52] <gnomefreak> is there ever an end to learning python?
[11:52] <Seveas> it's just backlog
[11:52] <Seveas> he was down yesterday
[11:52] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:52] <Seveas> I did s/courier+insane mail setup/postfix+dovecot+sane mail setup/ on the server
[11:53] <Seveas> postfix FTW
[11:54] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: well, I'm at chapter 6 or 7 of O'Reilly's Learning Python
[11:54] <gnomefreak> :) good going thats further than i was able to get (i got busy with other things)
[11:55] <Seveas> python is awesome
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76664 in firefox (main) "crash after choosing "Save destination as" on a link" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76664
[11:55] <Seveas> but the only way to learn it is by writing code
[11:55] <ryanakca> probably not the right channel to ask, but kubuntu member = ubuntu member?
[11:55] <ryanakca> Seveas: yeah
[11:55] <Seveas> ryanakca, correct
[11:57] <gnomefreak> i guess these are just merges im seeing weird though
[11:59] <sfllaw> ryanakca: Welcome!
[11:59] <ryanakca> ty
[11:59] <ryanakca> only took me six months :)
[12:00] <gnomefreak> ok back to work so i can go to bed sometime tonight
[12:00] <ryanakca> lol
[12:03] <gokusandwich_> hi, can someone give me a hand?
[12:04] <gokusandwich_> i want to specify that this bug ( https://launchpad.net/bugs/50697 ) is fixed in Ubuntu, in general (in Edgy and up), but that it is still a problem in Dapper
[12:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50697 in poppler "Evince crashes upon attempting to select text, for certain PDF(s)" [Unknown,Fix released]