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| sistpoty | hi folks | 09:59 |
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| sistpoty | ok, let's get started with the q&a-session, shall we? | 10:02 |
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| sistpoty | who's actually here for the q&a-session? | 10:03 |
| sistpoty | anyone? don't be shy ;) | 10:04 |
| sistpoty | hm... I guess this might be the shortest q&a-session ever, if nobody is interested *g* | 10:05 |
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| sistpoty | hooray... though it's unlikely I can answer *your* questions, siretart :P | 10:05 |
| siretart | sistpoty: ooooohh :( | 10:06 |
| siretart | ;) | 10:06 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: you can probably answer mine :) | 10:06 |
| sistpoty | but I'll try of course ;) | 10:06 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 10:06 |
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| === siretart looks in the NM templates *g* | ||
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| ajmitch | siretart: they're too easy :) | 10:07 |
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| sistpoty | well serious question though... is anybody here really interested in a q&a-session right now? (and am I here at the right time? *g*) | 10:08 |
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| Sp4rKy | sistpoty: yes | 10:09 |
| sistpoty | hooray :) | 10:09 |
| Adri2000 | sistpoty: can you talk about the MOTU Council? :) what it will do, ... | 10:09 |
| sistpoty | Adri2000: ok, I'll try... | 10:09 |
| sistpoty | well, first of all, I must admit that I don't know exactly, wath the motu-council will be dealing | 10:10 |
| sistpoty | let me take a look at the wiki-page | 10:10 |
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| sistpoty | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MotuProcessesSpec | 10:10 |
| sistpoty | I guess the most important points of the motu council will be, that it will help the tech-board and the community council with creating ubuntu-members and motus | 10:11 |
| ajmitch | basically keeping everyone in line (by suggesting tasks to do) | 10:11 |
| ajmitch | and approving new MOTUs | 10:11 |
| sistpoty | yep, thanks ajmitch | 10:11 |
| ajmitch | also reporting to the TB, and to others like UWN | 10:12 |
| ajmitch | and.. being a team to decide/approve various motu policies like SRU, UVF, etc | 10:12 |
| sistpoty | also, I hope that it will be the team to make decisions about universe, because I think atm we're a little bit headless if it comes to making a decision | 10:12 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 10:12 |
| sistpoty | or release schedule dates ;) | 10:13 |
| ajmitch | either headless, or we expect 1 person to do it :) | 10:13 |
| sistpoty | exactly :) | 10:13 |
| sistpoty | Adri2000: does this answer your question, or is there anything more specific that you'd like to know? | 10:13 |
| ajmitch | but the council won't be decided until january sometime, whenever the next TB meeting will be | 10:13 |
| Adri2000 | that's fine, thanks :) | 10:14 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: unfortunately :( | 10:14 |
| Adri2000 | is it decided yet who will be the MC members? or is it for the next TB? | 10:14 |
| ajmitch | for the next TB, afaik | 10:14 |
| sistpoty | Adri2000: no, the TB will decide who will be the members | 10:14 |
| Adri2000 | ok | 10:15 |
| sistpoty | though dholbach will give some hints to who would be a good member ;) | 10:15 |
| Sp4rKy | sistpoty: ajmitch how the TB decide who become MOTU, and who not? | 10:15 |
| sistpoty | Sp4rKy: the TB or the motu council to be? | 10:16 |
| Sp4rKy | motu coucil * | 10:16 |
| sistpoty | well, there isn't a policy *how* this will be handled yet... | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | Sp4rKy: up to them | 10:16 |
| sistpoty | so I guess one of the first duties of the motu council would be to get a process sorted out | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | process for replacing itself? | 10:17 |
| Sp4rKy | ajmitch: sistpoty but is there some "limit" | 10:17 |
| sistpoty | Sp4rKy: limit in regards to what? | 10:18 |
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| Sp4rKy | ie : if i've done those things, i can hope to become a MOTU | 10:18 |
| Sp4rKy | (only hope, not sure to become :) | 10:18 |
| ajmitch | forget my last comments :) | 10:18 |
| sistpoty | *g* | 10:18 |
| sistpoty | Sp4rKy: as I said, that's still not decided | 10:18 |
| ajmitch | Sp4rKy: there'll be definite processes, but not something like "if you've done exactly X packages" | 10:18 |
| sistpoty | however I could imagine, that the policy will be a little bit aligned to how the TB handles this right now | 10:19 |
| ajmitch | it'll be more that you have someone willing to sponsor you | 10:19 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: we did spend a fair bit of time going over the new MOTU approval at UDS :) | 10:19 |
| ajmitch | it should all be in the spec | 10:19 |
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| sistpoty | ajmitch: another spec or in the processes? | 10:19 |
| ajmitch | in the processes spec | 10:19 |
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| ajmitch | sistpoty: if it's unclear, please say so :) | 10:20 |
| sistpoty | ah, yes... there | 10:20 |
| Sp4rKy | another question (maybe a little out of way) | 10:20 |
| Sp4rKy | sistpoty: you know i've done a "french" revu | 10:21 |
| sistpoty | yes | 10:21 |
| Sp4rKy | actually in this revu we're 4 reviewers | 10:21 |
| Sp4rKy | one of us is gpocentek | 10:21 |
| siretart | sistpoty: btw, did I read your last SRU report correctly, and all requests are 'processed' and ready for uploading and testing? | 10:21 |
| Sp4rKy | i would know if the work the 3 others done in rev-fr | 10:22 |
| sistpoty | siretart: iirc there was one or two packages that need more votes, but most of them are 'processed' | 10:22 |
| Sp4rKy | can be added at the list of thinks we done during th MOTU coucil | 10:22 |
| sistpoty | Sp4rKy: you mean to show as reference? | 10:23 |
| Sp4rKy | yep | 10:23 |
| sistpoty | of course you can | 10:23 |
| Sp4rKy | ie, if gpocentek (or some other MOTU) can take a look at our job on revu-fr and says smthg lke "yes, he is able to review packages" | 10:23 |
| Sp4rKy | ok :) | 10:23 |
| sistpoty | I was just going to write that: it depends, what impact it'll have... but I guess if the motu council would see that you can review packages (and have done this a little bit), that would make quite some impression | 10:24 |
| Sp4rKy | ok | 10:24 |
| Sp4rKy | (for me, i've done some revu at tauware & revu-fr) | 10:25 |
| sistpoty | great :) | 10:25 |
| Sp4rKy | so i have to use this as reference | 10:25 |
| Sp4rKy | thx :) | 10:25 |
| sistpoty | please mind that I'm not motu council though ;) | 10:25 |
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| Sp4rKy | yep | 10:25 |
| sistpoty | other questions? | 10:26 |
| ajmitch | not yet.. :) | 10:26 |
| siretart | sistpoty: you mean not yet ;) | 10:26 |
| siretart | hrhr | 10:26 |
| sistpoty | well, the TB is to decide *eg* | 10:27 |
| Sp4rKy | not for me | 10:27 |
| Adri2000 | about merges, when will we be able to add comments on the mom page? :) | 10:28 |
| sistpoty | Adri2000: very good question... | 10:28 |
| ajmitch | Adri2000: MoM itself is out of our control | 10:29 |
| ajmitch | so it's a question of whether we use a separate tool or not :) | 10:29 |
| sistpoty | keybuk is the person who is responsible for the MoM pages itself | 10:29 |
| ajmitch | or if we just bug keybuk | 10:29 |
| sistpoty | maybe it will get some launchpad integration somewhen, though I cannot really tell | 10:29 |
| sistpoty | (in the far future) | 10:29 |
| Sp4rKy | ^^ | 10:30 |
| sistpoty | I guess the underlying problem is that the merges for main used to go quite well so far | 10:30 |
| Sp4rKy | sistpoty: siretart anotgher out of way (really this time) question | 10:30 |
| sistpoty | so the MoM pages won't be revisited until main get's the same problems as universe has... but that's just a wild guess | 10:31 |
| sistpoty | Sp4rKy: go on | 10:31 |
| Sp4rKy | sistpoty: siretart i've talked with raphink on revu | 10:31 |
| Sp4rKy | and we said main page are not "corrctly"organized | 10:31 |
| Sp4rKy | ie : he would the packages which are commented and not updated since some days are put in a special section | 10:32 |
| Sp4rKy | and don't appears in the main page | 10:32 |
| Sp4rKy | what do you think about that ? | 10:32 |
| sistpoty | hm... that's a bit tricky | 10:33 |
| sistpoty | at least if you'd be trying to get inactive packages out of the main page | 10:33 |
| sistpoty | the tricky thing is, that some people comment on their own package | 10:33 |
| sistpoty | so that wouldn't work out as is | 10:33 |
| Sp4rKy | indeed :/ | 10:34 |
| Sp4rKy | so i need to test if the last comment was made by the packager itself | 10:34 |
| sistpoty | I guess it might work to say that a package which didn't get commented on for X days/month and didn't get updated in this timeperiod should vanish | 10:34 |
| sistpoty | also there is the "freeze" problem, when we cannot upload any new packages into universe until after the release | 10:35 |
| sistpoty | during this time, usually all uploads get stale | 10:35 |
| Sp4rKy | yes | 10:35 |
| Sp4rKy | and so ? | 10:35 |
| sistpoty | well, some *do* get updated after the release, some don't | 10:35 |
| Sp4rKy | maybe the "vanish" script can be a separated script | 10:35 |
| Sp4rKy | (ie, included in /scripts/newfile) | 10:36 |
| sistpoty | hm... tbh, I haven't really made up my mind on this problem yet | 10:36 |
| Sp4rKy | and it 'll be start by admin / cron | 10:36 |
| sistpoty | not quite sure right now, if this would work out | 10:37 |
| Sp4rKy | hmm | 10:37 |
| sistpoty | but in case you'd like to go ahead and have some patches, I'd be more than happy to integrate these ;) | 10:37 |
| Sp4rKy | sistpoty: i'll try :) | 10:37 |
| sistpoty | yeehaa! | 10:37 |
| sistpoty | thanks in advance :)= | 10:37 |
| Sp4rKy | wait :) | 10:38 |
| Sp4rKy | i'm very busy with different Ubuntu related jobs | 10:38 |
| Adri2000 | back to merges... I have two questions, can I? | 10:38 |
| sistpoty | yeah... and I *should* be very busy with my thesis, but I still got 4 month :) | 10:38 |
| sistpoty | Adri2000: sure | 10:38 |
| Sp4rKy | sistpoty: ^^ | 10:39 |
| Adri2000 | http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motutodo/universe.html seems very interesting, why not use something based on that for merges? | 10:39 |
| Adri2000 | I see currently "merge" is a link to mom | 10:40 |
| sistpoty | Adri2000: it indeed is... | 10:40 |
| sistpoty | and actually everyone can use it to see if he wants to do a merge or not | 10:40 |
| Adri2000 | so a better question: it would be interesting to merge (hehe...) this tool and mom, no? | 10:40 |
| sistpoty | Adri2000: not really... because MoMs actual intent is to provide the 3 way-merge diffs | 10:41 |
| sistpoty | also, multidistritools doesn't solve the problem with several persons doing the same work (yet?) | 10:42 |
| Adri2000 | "3 way-merge"? | 10:42 |
| sistpoty | Adri2000: yes, common base version is diverged to a new debian version on the debian side, and to a ubuntu version on the ubuntu side | 10:43 |
| sistpoty | so if you want to fiddle this back to one package, this is called a three way merge | 10:43 |
| sistpoty | (at least that's how I remember it) | 10:43 |
| sistpoty | well, for dapper we had a merge tool once, that I wrote (just because I had merge conflicts a few times) | 10:44 |
| sistpoty | however that thing was imo neither very robust (it parsed the mom-output and parsed bug mails, which didn't have that nice x-launchpad thingy in it yet) | 10:45 |
| sistpoty | and the process was complicated, since you'd need to file a bug with a specific title to request a merge... and then set the status accordingly | 10:45 |
| sistpoty | and finally I had to do a few hand adjustments to its lists each day | 10:46 |
| sistpoty | so we didn't continue using it, once MoM pages were present... | 10:46 |
| sistpoty | (just in case you were curious about the story) | 10:46 |
| Adri2000 | ok | 10:46 |
| sistpoty | but maybe it's really useful to conside some universe tool for merges | 10:46 |
| Adri2000 | isn't it possible to improve mom? is the source code available somewhere? | 10:47 |
| sistpoty | Adri2000: we'd need to bug keybuk... and the source code isn't available anywhere | 10:48 |
| sistpoty | iirc, lucas tried to bug him about it in the past already, but without success | 10:48 |
| Adri2000 | :-/ | 10:48 |
| sistpoty | ok, any other questions? | 10:49 |
| sistpoty | three... | 10:50 |
| sistpoty | two... | 10:50 |
| sistpoty | one... | 10:50 |
| nalioth | what was this about? | 10:50 |
| sistpoty | ah, another question :) *g* | 10:50 |
| Adri2000 | sistpoty: then it's zero I think? :) | 10:50 |
| Adri2000 | aha | 10:50 |
| sistpoty | nalioth: general question+answer session during the revu days | 10:50 |
| nalioth | ah, revu | 10:50 |
| nalioth | just wondering :) | 10:51 |
| sistpoty | let's call it universe and the rest ;) | 10:51 |
| sistpoty | ok... q&a session closed... thanks for your interest | 10:51 |
| sistpoty | now let's get back to reviewing packages ;) | 10:51 |
| Adri2000 | thanks for your answers sistpoty :) | 10:51 |
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| sistpoty | and of course stay tuned tomorrow, where I'll try to give a short summary about common packaging mistakes and how to avoid them | 10:52 |
| sistpoty | np Adri2000 | 10:52 |
| sistpoty | (though it would be wise that I review a few packages now, otherwise it's hard to determine common *g*) | 10:52 |
| sistpoty | cya in -motu ;) | 10:52 |
| Sp4rKy | gd night sistpoty ajmitch siretart :) | 10:54 |
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| sistpoty | gn8 Sp4rKy | 10:54 |
| Sp4rKy | :) | 10:58 |
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| MuffY|w00t | :/ | 11:28 |
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| jrib | nevron: hi | 11:28 |
| nevron | hi | 11:29 |
| MuffY|w00t | how did i get here O_o | 11:29 |
| MuffY|w00t | was it some hidden shortcut or did some bot send me here | 11:29 |
| jrib | nevron: ok, open up nautilus | 11:29 |
| nevron | i did | 11:30 |
| jrib | nevron: go to where the fonts you want are now | 11:30 |
| nevron | i am in the directory | 11:30 |
| jrib | good, now open up a new nautilus | 11:30 |
| jrib | go to your home folder | 11:31 |
| nevron | yes | 11:31 |
| jrib | go to view -> show hidden files | 11:31 |
| nevron | ok | 11:32 |
| MuffY|w00t | anyone who knows about harddisks here (sorry for interrupting nevron and jrib) | 11:32 |
| jrib | nevron: do you see a ".fonts" folder? | 11:32 |
| nevron | unfortunately i dont :) | 11:32 |
| jrib | MuffY|w00t: just ask the question you have in #ubuntu | 11:32 |
| jrib | nevron: k, then create it | 11:32 |
| jrib | nevron: important to remember the . | 11:32 |
| nevron | inside my home folder? | 11:33 |
| jrib | nevron: yes | 11:33 |
| nevron | well nautilus doesnt let me :) | 11:33 |
| nevron | ok i did | 11:33 |
| jrib | MuffY|w00t: it's better to ask the real question, don't look for experts. Because people don't know if they are enough of an expert to answer your question | 11:33 |
| nevron | i am using gnome commander though | 11:33 |
| jrib | ok, whatever works | 11:34 |
| jrib | now just copy your fonts inside that directory | 11:34 |
| nevron | ok i have it | 11:34 |
| nevron | pasted | 11:34 |
| nevron | is there a software to install fonts like mandreake has that i can install on my ubuntu? | 11:34 |
| jrib | nevron: that's it you're done. You might have to restart the app or regenerate the font-cache (check if it works first) | 11:35 |
| jrib | nevron: I don't know what mandrake has, but what do you want the software to do? | 11:35 |
| nevron | sorry should i put a . in front of fonts dir to make it hidden? | 11:35 |
| jrib | yes | 11:35 |
| nevron | ok | 11:35 |
| nevron | no i had tried mandrake there was a tool for this and it was pretty easy | 11:36 |
| nevron | this easy too yet i am a complete newbie | 11:36 |
| nevron | ok now my main problem still exists :) | 11:37 |
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| jrib | nevron: what's taht? | 11:37 |
| nevron | jrib when i go to system/preferences/fonts i still dont see the fonts | 11:38 |
| nevron | system/preferences/font sorry | 11:38 |
| jrib | try running 'fc-cache' in a terminal | 11:39 |
| nevron | yes this resolved it thank you very much | 11:39 |
| jrib | np | 11:39 |
| jrib | usually you can just logout and log back in I think, but that saves you the trouble | 11:39 |
| nevron | i ll write this command down somewhere | 11:40 |
| nevron | will you run a course on console commands? | 11:45 |
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| jrib | nevron: we've had one in the past. The transcripts should be up | 11:48 |
| jrib | check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts (in the topic here) | 11:48 |
| jrib | there is also: | 11:48 |
| jrib | !cli | 11:48 |
| ubotu | The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands | 11:48 |
| nevron | than you jrib | 11:49 |
| nevron | i just asked another question on the ubuntu channel | 11:49 |
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