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[n=geoffb@ppp244-69.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === sonicGB_ [n=geoffb@ppp244-69.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [09:59] hi folks === ScottK [n=kitterma@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [10:02] ok, let's get started with the q&a-session, shall we? === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [10:03] who's actually here for the q&a-session? [10:04] anyone? don't be shy ;) [10:05] hm... I guess this might be the shortest q&a-session ever, if nobody is interested *g* === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === siretart jumps from in the background! [10:05] hooray... though it's unlikely I can answer *your* questions, siretart :P [10:06] sistpoty: ooooohh :( [10:06] ;) [10:06] sistpoty: you can probably answer mine :) [10:06] but I'll try of course ;) [10:06] hehe === ajmitch looks for some tough ones === siretart looks in the NM templates *g* === sistpoty hides [10:07] siretart: they're too easy :) === Sp4rKy [n=maxenced@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [10:08] well serious question though... is anybody here really interested in a q&a-session right now? (and am I here at the right time? *g*) === sonicGB [n=geoffb@ppp244-69.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [10:09] sistpoty: yes [10:09] hooray :) [10:09] sistpoty: can you talk about the MOTU Council? :) what it will do, ... [10:09] Adri2000: ok, I'll try... [10:10] well, first of all, I must admit that I don't know exactly, wath the motu-council will be dealing [10:10] let me take a look at the wiki-page === geser [n=michael@leary.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [10:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MotuProcessesSpec [10:11] I guess the most important points of the motu council will be, that it will help the tech-board and the community council with creating ubuntu-members and motus [10:11] basically keeping everyone in line (by suggesting tasks to do) [10:11] and approving new MOTUs [10:11] yep, thanks ajmitch [10:12] also reporting to the TB, and to others like UWN [10:12] and.. being a team to decide/approve various motu policies like SRU, UVF, etc [10:12] also, I hope that it will be the team to make decisions about universe, because I think atm we're a little bit headless if it comes to making a decision [10:12] yeah [10:13] or release schedule dates ;) [10:13] either headless, or we expect 1 person to do it :) [10:13] exactly :) [10:13] Adri2000: does this answer your question, or is there anything more specific that you'd like to know? [10:13] but the council won't be decided until january sometime, whenever the next TB meeting will be [10:14] that's fine, thanks :) [10:14] ajmitch: unfortunately :( [10:14] is it decided yet who will be the MC members? or is it for the next TB? [10:14] for the next TB, afaik [10:14] Adri2000: no, the TB will decide who will be the members [10:15] ok [10:15] though dholbach will give some hints to who would be a good member ;) [10:15] sistpoty: ajmitch how the TB decide who become MOTU, and who not? [10:16] Sp4rKy: the TB or the motu council to be? [10:16] motu coucil * [10:16] well, there isn't a policy *how* this will be handled yet... [10:16] Sp4rKy: up to them [10:16] so I guess one of the first duties of the motu council would be to get a process sorted out [10:17] process for replacing itself? [10:17] ajmitch: sistpoty but is there some "limit" [10:18] Sp4rKy: limit in regards to what? === ajmitch thinks that selection will always be up to the TB, even if a shortlist of suitable candidates is provided [10:18] ie : if i've done those things, i can hope to become a MOTU [10:18] (only hope, not sure to become :) [10:18] forget my last comments :) [10:18] *g* [10:18] Sp4rKy: as I said, that's still not decided [10:18] Sp4rKy: there'll be definite processes, but not something like "if you've done exactly X packages" [10:19] however I could imagine, that the policy will be a little bit aligned to how the TB handles this right now [10:19] it'll be more that you have someone willing to sponsor you [10:19] sistpoty: we did spend a fair bit of time going over the new MOTU approval at UDS :) [10:19] it should all be in the spec === ajmitch even has photos of the whiteboard [10:19] ajmitch: another spec or in the processes? [10:19] in the processes spec === sistpoty looks [10:20] sistpoty: if it's unclear, please say so :) [10:20] ah, yes... there [10:20] another question (maybe a little out of way) [10:21] sistpoty: you know i've done a "french" revu [10:21] yes [10:21] actually in this revu we're 4 reviewers [10:21] one of us is gpocentek [10:21] sistpoty: btw, did I read your last SRU report correctly, and all requests are 'processed' and ready for uploading and testing? [10:22] i would know if the work the 3 others done in rev-fr [10:22] siretart: iirc there was one or two packages that need more votes, but most of them are 'processed' [10:22] can be added at the list of thinks we done during th MOTU coucil [10:23] Sp4rKy: you mean to show as reference? [10:23] yep [10:23] of course you can [10:23] ie, if gpocentek (or some other MOTU) can take a look at our job on revu-fr and says smthg lke "yes, he is able to review packages" [10:23] ok :) [10:24] I was just going to write that: it depends, what impact it'll have... but I guess if the motu council would see that you can review packages (and have done this a little bit), that would make quite some impression [10:24] ok [10:25] (for me, i've done some revu at tauware & revu-fr) [10:25] great :) [10:25] so i have to use this as reference [10:25] thx :) [10:25] please mind that I'm not motu council though ;) === darich [n=trickyki@host217-42-158-117.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [10:25] yep [10:26] other questions? [10:26] not yet.. :) [10:26] sistpoty: you mean not yet ;) [10:26] hrhr [10:27] well, the TB is to decide *eg* [10:27] not for me [10:28] about merges, when will we be able to add comments on the mom page? :) [10:28] Adri2000: very good question... [10:29] Adri2000: MoM itself is out of our control [10:29] so it's a question of whether we use a separate tool or not :) [10:29] keybuk is the person who is responsible for the MoM pages itself [10:29] or if we just bug keybuk [10:29] maybe it will get some launchpad integration somewhen, though I cannot really tell [10:29] (in the far future) [10:30] ^^ [10:30] I guess the underlying problem is that the merges for main used to go quite well so far [10:30] sistpoty: siretart anotgher out of way (really this time) question [10:31] so the MoM pages won't be revisited until main get's the same problems as universe has... but that's just a wild guess [10:31] Sp4rKy: go on [10:31] sistpoty: siretart i've talked with raphink on revu [10:31] and we said main page are not "corrctly"organized [10:32] ie : he would the packages which are commented and not updated since some days are put in a special section [10:32] and don't appears in the main page [10:32] what do you think about that ? [10:33] hm... that's a bit tricky [10:33] at least if you'd be trying to get inactive packages out of the main page [10:33] the tricky thing is, that some people comment on their own package [10:33] so that wouldn't work out as is [10:34] indeed :/ [10:34] so i need to test if the last comment was made by the packager itself [10:34] I guess it might work to say that a package which didn't get commented on for X days/month and didn't get updated in this timeperiod should vanish [10:35] also there is the "freeze" problem, when we cannot upload any new packages into universe until after the release [10:35] during this time, usually all uploads get stale [10:35] yes [10:35] and so ? [10:35] well, some *do* get updated after the release, some don't [10:35] maybe the "vanish" script can be a separated script [10:36] (ie, included in /scripts/newfile) [10:36] hm... tbh, I haven't really made up my mind on this problem yet [10:36] and it 'll be start by admin / cron [10:37] not quite sure right now, if this would work out [10:37] hmm [10:37] but in case you'd like to go ahead and have some patches, I'd be more than happy to integrate these ;) [10:37] sistpoty: i'll try :) [10:37] yeehaa! [10:37] thanks in advance :)= [10:38] wait :) [10:38] i'm very busy with different Ubuntu related jobs [10:38] back to merges... I have two questions, can I? [10:38] yeah... and I *should* be very busy with my thesis, but I still got 4 month :) [10:38] Adri2000: sure [10:39] sistpoty: ^^ [10:39] http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motutodo/universe.html seems very interesting, why not use something based on that for merges? [10:40] I see currently "merge" is a link to mom [10:40] Adri2000: it indeed is... [10:40] and actually everyone can use it to see if he wants to do a merge or not [10:40] so a better question: it would be interesting to merge (hehe...) this tool and mom, no? [10:41] Adri2000: not really... because MoMs actual intent is to provide the 3 way-merge diffs [10:42] also, multidistritools doesn't solve the problem with several persons doing the same work (yet?) [10:42] "3 way-merge"? [10:43] Adri2000: yes, common base version is diverged to a new debian version on the debian side, and to a ubuntu version on the ubuntu side [10:43] so if you want to fiddle this back to one package, this is called a three way merge [10:43] (at least that's how I remember it) [10:44] well, for dapper we had a merge tool once, that I wrote (just because I had merge conflicts a few times) [10:45] however that thing was imo neither very robust (it parsed the mom-output and parsed bug mails, which didn't have that nice x-launchpad thingy in it yet) [10:45] and the process was complicated, since you'd need to file a bug with a specific title to request a merge... and then set the status accordingly [10:46] and finally I had to do a few hand adjustments to its lists each day [10:46] so we didn't continue using it, once MoM pages were present... [10:46] (just in case you were curious about the story) [10:46] ok [10:46] but maybe it's really useful to conside some universe tool for merges [10:47] isn't it possible to improve mom? is the source code available somewhere? [10:48] Adri2000: we'd need to bug keybuk... and the source code isn't available anywhere [10:48] iirc, lucas tried to bug him about it in the past already, but without success [10:48] :-/ [10:49] ok, any other questions? [10:50] three... [10:50] two... [10:50] one... [10:50] what was this about? [10:50] ah, another question :) *g* [10:50] sistpoty: then it's zero I think? :) [10:50] aha [10:50] nalioth: general question+answer session during the revu days [10:50] ah, revu [10:51] just wondering :) [10:51] let's call it universe and the rest ;) [10:51] ok... q&a session closed... thanks for your interest [10:51] now let's get back to reviewing packages ;) [10:51] thanks for your answers sistpoty :) === sonicGB_ [n=geoffb@ppp244-69.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [10:52] and of course stay tuned tomorrow, where I'll try to give a short summary about common packaging mistakes and how to avoid them [10:52] np Adri2000 [10:52] (though it would be wise that I review a few packages now, otherwise it's hard to determine common *g*) [10:52] cya in -motu ;) [10:54] gd night sistpoty ajmitch siretart :) === Turgon [n=Limulf@unaffiliated/turgon] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [10:54] gn8 Sp4rKy [10:58] :) === geser [n=michael@dialin107153.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === anuragJ [n=anurag@59.92.32.129] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-157.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === sc4ttrbrain [n=potter@KHP059138070148.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-157.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === MuffY|w00t [n=McMuffin@s55928932.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === nevron [n=nevron@88.229.244.110] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [11:28] :/ === nevron [n=nevron@88.229.244.110] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] === nevron [n=nevron@88.229.244.110] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [11:28] nevron: hi [11:29] hi [11:29] how did i get here O_o [11:29] was it some hidden shortcut or did some bot send me here [11:29] nevron: ok, open up nautilus [11:30] i did [11:30] nevron: go to where the fonts you want are now [11:30] i am in the directory [11:30] good, now open up a new nautilus [11:31] go to your home folder [11:31] yes [11:31] go to view -> show hidden files [11:32] ok [11:32] anyone who knows about harddisks here (sorry for interrupting nevron and jrib) [11:32] nevron: do you see a ".fonts" folder? [11:32] unfortunately i dont :) [11:32] MuffY|w00t: just ask the question you have in #ubuntu [11:32] nevron: k, then create it [11:32] nevron: important to remember the . [11:33] inside my home folder? [11:33] nevron: yes [11:33] well nautilus doesnt let me :) [11:33] ok i did [11:33] MuffY|w00t: it's better to ask the real question, don't look for experts. Because people don't know if they are enough of an expert to answer your question [11:33] i am using gnome commander though [11:34] ok, whatever works [11:34] now just copy your fonts inside that directory [11:34] ok i have it [11:34] pasted [11:34] is there a software to install fonts like mandreake has that i can install on my ubuntu? [11:35] nevron: that's it you're done. You might have to restart the app or regenerate the font-cache (check if it works first) [11:35] nevron: I don't know what mandrake has, but what do you want the software to do? [11:35] sorry should i put a . in front of fonts dir to make it hidden? [11:35] yes [11:35] ok [11:36] no i had tried mandrake there was a tool for this and it was pretty easy [11:36] this easy too yet i am a complete newbie [11:37] ok now my main problem still exists :) === geser [n=michael@dialin107153.justdsl.de] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Leaving"] [11:37] nevron: what's taht? [11:38] jrib when i go to system/preferences/fonts i still dont see the fonts [11:38] system/preferences/font sorry [11:39] try running 'fc-cache' in a terminal [11:39] yes this resolved it thank you very much [11:39] np [11:39] usually you can just logout and log back in I think, but that saves you the trouble [11:40] i ll write this command down somewhere [11:45] will you run a course on console commands? === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [11:48] nevron: we've had one in the past. The transcripts should be up [11:48] check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts (in the topic here) [11:48] there is also: [11:48] !cli [11:48] The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands [11:49] than you jrib [11:49] i just asked another question on the ubuntu channel === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === JurB [n=jurb@24.27-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-classroom