[09:59] <sistpoty> hi folks
[10:02] <sistpoty> ok, let's get started with the q&a-session, shall we?
[10:03] <sistpoty> who's actually here for the q&a-session?
[10:04] <sistpoty> anyone? don't be shy ;)
[10:05] <sistpoty> hm... I guess this might be the shortest q&a-session ever, if nobody is interested *g*
[10:05] <sistpoty> hooray... though it's unlikely I can answer *your* questions, siretart :P
[10:06] <siretart> sistpoty: ooooohh :(
[10:06] <siretart> ;)
[10:06] <ajmitch> sistpoty: you can probably answer mine :)
[10:06] <sistpoty> but I'll try of course ;)
[10:06] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:07] <ajmitch> siretart: they're too easy :)
[10:08] <sistpoty> well serious question though... is anybody here really interested in a q&a-session right now? (and am I here at the right time? *g*)
[10:09] <Sp4rKy> sistpoty: yes
[10:09] <sistpoty> hooray :)
[10:09] <Adri2000> sistpoty: can you talk about the MOTU Council? :) what it will do, ...
[10:09] <sistpoty> Adri2000: ok, I'll try...
[10:10] <sistpoty> well, first of all, I must admit that I don't know exactly, wath the motu-council will be dealing
[10:10] <sistpoty> let me take a look at the wiki-page
[10:10] <sistpoty> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MotuProcessesSpec
[10:11] <sistpoty> I guess the most important points of the motu council will be, that it will help the tech-board and the community council with creating ubuntu-members and motus
[10:11] <ajmitch> basically keeping everyone in line (by suggesting tasks to do)
[10:11] <ajmitch> and approving new MOTUs
[10:11] <sistpoty> yep, thanks ajmitch
[10:12] <ajmitch> also reporting to the TB, and to others like UWN
[10:12] <ajmitch> and.. being a team to decide/approve various motu policies like SRU, UVF, etc
[10:12] <sistpoty> also, I hope that it will be the team to make decisions about universe, because I think atm we're a little bit headless if it comes to making a decision
[10:12] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:13] <sistpoty> or release schedule dates ;)
[10:13] <ajmitch> either headless, or we expect 1 person to do it :)
[10:13] <sistpoty> exactly :)
[10:13] <sistpoty> Adri2000: does this answer your question, or is there anything more specific that you'd like to know?
[10:13] <ajmitch> but the council won't be decided until january sometime, whenever the next TB meeting will be
[10:14] <Adri2000> that's fine, thanks :)
[10:14] <sistpoty> ajmitch: unfortunately :(
[10:14] <Adri2000> is it decided yet who will be the MC members? or is it for the next TB?
[10:14] <ajmitch> for the next TB, afaik
[10:14] <sistpoty> Adri2000: no, the TB will decide who will be the members
[10:15] <Adri2000> ok
[10:15] <sistpoty> though dholbach will give some hints to who would be a good member ;)
[10:15] <Sp4rKy> sistpoty: ajmitch how the TB decide who become MOTU, and who not?
[10:16] <sistpoty> Sp4rKy: the TB or the motu council to be?
[10:16] <Sp4rKy> motu coucil *
[10:16] <sistpoty> well, there isn't a policy *how* this will be handled yet...
[10:16] <ajmitch> Sp4rKy: up to them
[10:16] <sistpoty> so I guess one of the first duties of the motu council would be to get a process sorted out
[10:17] <ajmitch> process for replacing itself?
[10:17] <Sp4rKy> ajmitch: sistpoty but is there some "limit"
[10:18] <sistpoty> Sp4rKy: limit in regards to what?
[10:18] <Sp4rKy> ie : if i've done those things, i can hope to become a MOTU
[10:18] <Sp4rKy> (only hope, not sure to become :)
[10:18] <ajmitch> forget my last comments :)
[10:18] <sistpoty> *g*
[10:18] <sistpoty> Sp4rKy: as I said, that's still not decided
[10:18] <ajmitch> Sp4rKy: there'll be definite processes, but not something like "if you've done exactly X packages"
[10:19] <sistpoty> however I could imagine, that the policy will be a little bit aligned to how the TB handles this right now
[10:19] <ajmitch> it'll be more that you have someone willing to sponsor you
[10:19] <ajmitch> sistpoty: we did spend a fair bit of time going over the new MOTU approval at UDS :)
[10:19] <ajmitch> it should all be in the spec
[10:19] <sistpoty> ajmitch: another spec or in the processes?
[10:19] <ajmitch> in the processes spec
[10:20] <ajmitch> sistpoty: if it's unclear, please say so :)
[10:20] <sistpoty> ah, yes... there
[10:20] <Sp4rKy> another question (maybe a little out of way)
[10:21] <Sp4rKy> sistpoty: you know i've done a "french" revu
[10:21] <sistpoty> yes
[10:21] <Sp4rKy> actually in this revu we're 4 reviewers
[10:21] <Sp4rKy> one of us is gpocentek
[10:21] <siretart> sistpoty: btw, did I read your last SRU report correctly, and all requests are 'processed' and ready for uploading and testing?
[10:22] <Sp4rKy> i would know if the work the 3 others done in rev-fr
[10:22] <sistpoty> siretart: iirc there was one or two packages that need more votes, but most of them are 'processed'
[10:22] <Sp4rKy> can be added at the list of thinks we done during th MOTU coucil
[10:23] <sistpoty> Sp4rKy: you mean to show as reference?
[10:23] <Sp4rKy> yep
[10:23] <sistpoty> of course you can
[10:23] <Sp4rKy> ie, if gpocentek (or some other MOTU) can take a look at our job on revu-fr and says smthg lke "yes, he is able to review packages"
[10:23] <Sp4rKy> ok :)
[10:24] <sistpoty> I was just going to write that: it depends, what impact it'll have... but I guess if the motu council would see that you can review packages (and have done this a little bit), that would make quite some impression
[10:24] <Sp4rKy> ok
[10:25] <Sp4rKy> (for me, i've done some revu at tauware & revu-fr)
[10:25] <sistpoty> great :)
[10:25] <Sp4rKy> so i have to use this as reference
[10:25] <Sp4rKy> thx :)
[10:25] <sistpoty> please mind that I'm not motu council though ;)
[10:25] <Sp4rKy> yep
[10:26] <sistpoty> other questions?
[10:26] <ajmitch> not yet.. :)
[10:26] <siretart> sistpoty: you mean not yet ;)
[10:26] <siretart> hrhr
[10:27] <sistpoty> well, the TB is to decide *eg*
[10:27] <Sp4rKy> not for me
[10:28] <Adri2000> about merges, when will we be able to add comments on the mom page? :)
[10:28] <sistpoty> Adri2000: very good question...
[10:29] <ajmitch> Adri2000: MoM itself is out of our control
[10:29] <ajmitch> so it's a question of whether we use a separate tool or not :)
[10:29] <sistpoty> keybuk is the person who is responsible for the MoM pages itself
[10:29] <ajmitch> or if we just bug keybuk
[10:29] <sistpoty> maybe it will get some launchpad integration somewhen, though I cannot really tell
[10:29] <sistpoty> (in the far future)
[10:30] <Sp4rKy> ^^
[10:30] <sistpoty> I guess the underlying problem is that the merges for main used to go quite well so far
[10:30] <Sp4rKy> sistpoty: siretart anotgher out of way (really this time) question
[10:31] <sistpoty> so the MoM pages won't be revisited until main get's the same problems as universe has... but that's just a wild guess
[10:31] <sistpoty> Sp4rKy: go on
[10:31] <Sp4rKy> sistpoty: siretart i've talked with raphink on revu
[10:31] <Sp4rKy> and we said main page are not "corrctly"organized
[10:32] <Sp4rKy> ie : he would the packages which are commented and not updated since some days are put in a special section
[10:32] <Sp4rKy> and don't appears  in the main page
[10:32] <Sp4rKy> what do you think about that ?
[10:33] <sistpoty> hm... that's a bit tricky
[10:33] <sistpoty> at least if you'd be trying to get inactive packages out of the main page
[10:33] <sistpoty> the tricky thing is, that some people comment on their own package
[10:33] <sistpoty> so that wouldn't work out as is
[10:34] <Sp4rKy> indeed :/
[10:34] <Sp4rKy> so i need to test if the last comment was made by the packager itself
[10:34] <sistpoty> I guess it might work to say that a package which didn't get commented on for X days/month and didn't get updated in this timeperiod should vanish
[10:35] <sistpoty> also there is the "freeze" problem, when we cannot upload any new packages into universe until after the release
[10:35] <sistpoty> during this time, usually all uploads get stale
[10:35] <Sp4rKy> yes
[10:35] <Sp4rKy> and so ?
[10:35] <sistpoty> well, some *do* get updated after the release, some don't
[10:35] <Sp4rKy> maybe the "vanish" script can be a separated script
[10:36] <Sp4rKy> (ie, included in /scripts/newfile)
[10:36] <sistpoty> hm... tbh, I haven't really made up my mind on this problem yet
[10:36] <Sp4rKy> and it 'll be start by admin / cron
[10:37] <sistpoty> not quite sure right now, if this would work out
[10:37] <Sp4rKy> hmm
[10:37] <sistpoty> but in case you'd like to go ahead and have some patches, I'd be more than happy to integrate these ;)
[10:37] <Sp4rKy> sistpoty: i'll try :)
[10:37] <sistpoty> yeehaa!
[10:37] <sistpoty> thanks in advance :)=
[10:38] <Sp4rKy> wait :)
[10:38] <Sp4rKy> i'm very busy with different Ubuntu related jobs
[10:38] <Adri2000> back to merges... I have two questions, can I?
[10:38] <sistpoty> yeah... and I *should* be very busy with my thesis, but I still got 4 month :)
[10:38] <sistpoty> Adri2000: sure
[10:39] <Sp4rKy> sistpoty: ^^
[10:39] <Adri2000> http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motutodo/universe.html seems very interesting, why not use something based on that for merges?
[10:40] <Adri2000> I see currently "merge" is a link to mom
[10:40] <sistpoty> Adri2000: it indeed is...
[10:40] <sistpoty> and actually everyone can use it to see if he wants to do a merge or not
[10:40] <Adri2000> so a better question: it would be interesting to merge (hehe...) this tool and mom, no?
[10:41] <sistpoty> Adri2000: not really... because MoMs actual intent is to provide the 3 way-merge diffs
[10:42] <sistpoty> also, multidistritools doesn't solve the problem with several persons doing the same work (yet?)
[10:42] <Adri2000> "3 way-merge"?
[10:43] <sistpoty> Adri2000: yes, common base version is diverged to a new debian version on the debian side, and to a ubuntu version on the ubuntu side
[10:43] <sistpoty> so if you want to fiddle this back to one package, this is called a three way merge
[10:43] <sistpoty> (at least that's how I remember it)
[10:44] <sistpoty> well, for dapper we had a merge tool once, that I wrote (just because I had merge conflicts a few times)
[10:45] <sistpoty> however that thing was imo neither very robust (it parsed the mom-output and parsed bug mails, which didn't have that nice x-launchpad thingy in it yet)
[10:45] <sistpoty> and the process was complicated, since you'd need to file a bug with a specific title to request a merge... and then set the status accordingly
[10:46] <sistpoty> and finally I had to do a few hand adjustments to its lists each day
[10:46] <sistpoty> so we didn't continue using it, once MoM pages were present...
[10:46] <sistpoty> (just in case you were curious about the story)
[10:46] <Adri2000> ok
[10:46] <sistpoty> but maybe it's really useful to conside some universe tool for merges
[10:47] <Adri2000> isn't it possible to improve mom? is the source code available somewhere?
[10:48] <sistpoty> Adri2000: we'd need to bug keybuk... and the source code isn't available anywhere
[10:48] <sistpoty> iirc, lucas tried to bug him about it in the past already, but without success
[10:48] <Adri2000> :-/
[10:49] <sistpoty> ok, any other questions?
[10:50] <sistpoty> three...
[10:50] <sistpoty> two...
[10:50] <sistpoty> one...
[10:50] <nalioth> what was this about?
[10:50] <sistpoty> ah, another question :) *g*
[10:50] <Adri2000> sistpoty: then it's zero I think? :)
[10:50] <Adri2000> aha
[10:50] <sistpoty> nalioth: general question+answer session during the revu days
[10:50] <nalioth> ah, revu
[10:51] <nalioth> just wondering   :)
[10:51] <sistpoty> let's call it universe and the rest ;)
[10:51] <sistpoty> ok... q&a session closed... thanks for your interest
[10:51] <sistpoty> now let's get back to reviewing packages ;)
[10:51] <Adri2000> thanks for your answers sistpoty :)
[10:52] <sistpoty> and of course stay tuned tomorrow, where I'll try to give a short summary about common packaging mistakes and how to avoid them
[10:52] <sistpoty> np Adri2000
[10:52] <sistpoty> (though it would be wise that I review a few packages now, otherwise it's hard to determine common *g*)
[10:52] <sistpoty> cya in -motu ;)
[10:54] <Sp4rKy> gd night sistpoty ajmitch siretart :)
[10:54] <sistpoty> gn8 Sp4rKy
[10:58] <Sp4rKy> :)
[11:28] <MuffY|w00t> :/
[11:28] <jrib> nevron: hi
[11:29] <nevron> hi
[11:29] <MuffY|w00t> how did i get here  O_o
[11:29] <MuffY|w00t> was it some hidden shortcut or did some bot send me here
[11:29] <jrib> nevron: ok, open up nautilus
[11:30] <nevron> i did
[11:30] <jrib> nevron: go to where the fonts you want are now
[11:30] <nevron> i am in the directory
[11:30] <jrib> good, now open up a new nautilus
[11:31] <jrib> go to your home folder
[11:31] <nevron> yes
[11:31] <jrib> go to view -> show hidden files
[11:32] <nevron> ok
[11:32] <MuffY|w00t> anyone who knows about harddisks here (sorry for interrupting nevron and jrib)
[11:32] <jrib> nevron: do you see a ".fonts" folder?
[11:32] <nevron> unfortunately i dont :)
[11:32] <jrib> MuffY|w00t: just ask the question you have in #ubuntu
[11:32] <jrib> nevron: k, then create it
[11:32] <jrib> nevron: important to remember the .
[11:33] <nevron> inside my home folder?
[11:33] <jrib> nevron: yes
[11:33] <nevron> well nautilus doesnt let me :)
[11:33] <nevron> ok i did
[11:33] <jrib> MuffY|w00t: it's better to ask the real question, don't look for experts.  Because people don't know if they are enough of an expert to answer your question
[11:33] <nevron> i am using gnome commander though
[11:34] <jrib> ok, whatever works
[11:34] <jrib> now just copy your fonts inside that directory
[11:34] <nevron> ok i have it
[11:34] <nevron> pasted
[11:34] <nevron> is there a software to install fonts like mandreake has that i can install on my ubuntu?
[11:35] <jrib> nevron: that's it you're done.  You might have to restart the app or regenerate the font-cache (check if it works first)
[11:35] <jrib> nevron: I don't know what mandrake has, but what do you want the software to do?
[11:35] <nevron> sorry should i put a . in front of fonts dir to make it hidden?
[11:35] <jrib> yes
[11:35] <nevron> ok
[11:36] <nevron> no i had tried mandrake there was a tool for this and it was pretty easy
[11:36] <nevron> this easy too yet i am a complete newbie
[11:37] <nevron> ok now my main problem still exists :)
[11:37] <jrib> nevron: what's taht?
[11:38] <nevron> jrib when i go to system/preferences/fonts i still dont see the fonts
[11:38] <nevron> system/preferences/font sorry
[11:39] <jrib> try running 'fc-cache' in a terminal
[11:39] <nevron> yes this resolved it thank you very much
[11:39] <jrib> np
[11:39] <jrib> usually you can just logout and log back in I think, but that saves you the trouble
[11:40] <nevron> i ll write this command down somewhere
[11:45] <nevron> will you run a course on console commands?
[11:48] <jrib> nevron: we've had one in the past.  The transcripts should be up
[11:48] <jrib> check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts (in the topic here)
[11:48] <jrib> there is also:
[11:48] <jrib> !cli
[11:48] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[11:49] <nevron> than you jrib
[11:49] <nevron> i just asked another question on the ubuntu channel