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jendaMagicFab: please turn away your auto-away script. They are hardly tolerated in any serious channel on freenode.01:15
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jendatsmithe: don't do that. You're making the operator's life a lot more difficult, having to try and detect bad humor, and deciding if it is a reason to act in and of itself.01:27
tsmithepoor cranky jenda01:27
tsmithe:)01:27
tsmithei thought you were going to sleep01:27
tsmitheit's half past 1!01:27
jendaI am, just need to finish up a few replies.01:27
jendayes, it is.01:27
jendathat's early by my standards :)01:27
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tsmitheand you spelt humour wrong!!!!01:28
tsmitheyou cannot call yourself european01:28
jendaI can't call myself British.01:29
jendaAnd am happy not to :)01:29
tsmitheevil one!01:29
tsmithewhy happy?01:30
tsmithethat's just nasty01:30
jendaI learnt my english in Washington DC - proud to use it as such ;)01:30
tsmitheyou 'tard!01:30
tsmithedo you have an american accent?!01:30
jenda(I'm equally as bad at creating lame humor as I am at detecting it, BTW)01:30
jendaI used to.01:30
tsmitheHUMOUR!!!01:30
jendaI'm afraid it's long gone :(01:30
tsmithegood01:31
tsmithenever be afraid01:31
jendaI now have a rough, Slavic one.01:31
tsmithegood01:31
tsmithethat's much, much nicer01:31
jendaquiet ;)01:31
tsmithe:D01:31
tsmithewhy?01:31
jendaI liked my american accent :)01:31
tsmithenooo!01:31
tsmithei was going to /ignore you for evilness01:31
tsmithebut if you've lost the accent...01:31
jendameh01:32
tsmithemeh!?01:32
jendaIf you /ignore me, you'll miss your last warning.01:32
jenda;)01:32
tsmithemy last warning?01:32
jendaonce I really get mad at your enter-as-punctuation or manual-auto-away or british accent.01:33
jenda:)01:33
tsmithelol manual-auto-away01:33
tsmithewithout britain you would never have had your ruddy american accent01:34
jendatrue01:34
tsmitheand what kind of idiot doesn't put a u in humour? i mean, more countries in the world use en_GB than don't01:35
jendathat doesn't mean i have to like the british accent.01:35
tsmitheyou don't like it?!01:35
tsmithewhy? you've never even heard me talk!01:35
jendaCountries aren't as important as population.01:35
jenda(fortunately)01:35
tsmitheyes they are!01:35
tsmithethey induce culture01:36
jendaAnd *I* don't put a u in humor.01:36
tsmithethus proving jenda's idiocy01:36
tsmitheand btw: humor is not a word01:36
jendaIt is nowhere stated that people who don't put the <redundant> u in there are idiots.01:36
jendaAnd humor is a word, with two meanings even.01:37
tsmitheit's bloody well not redundant!01:37
jendaand I'm not going to argue with you, and this is offtopic.01:37
tsmitheok01:37
tsmithemwhahaha01:38
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beunojenda, got a sec?01:46
jendabeuno: just one.01:47
jendaSeriously ;)01:47
beunonp, it's quick01:47
beunoI'm doing my php/mysql magic, and I was wondering if you had 2 o 3 URLs to howtos in the wiki01:48
jendahowtos for php/mysql?01:49
jendanope01:49
jendanot I01:49
beunolo01:50
beunono no01:50
beunomarketing01:50
beunodiy stuff01:50
jendaaha01:50
jendahmm01:50
beunolol01:50
jendaNo, I don't have any handy, I'm sorry.01:50
beunonp01:50
beunoI'll just use random stuff01:50
jendaI don't think that material exists yet.01:50
jendaye01:50
jendayep01:50
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jendajust use MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu and MarketingTeam01:51
beunothat will do, thanks01:51
jendanp01:51
jendanight01:51
beunog'night01:52
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somerville32tsmithe, is it taken care of?02:21
tsmithehuh?02:22
tsmitheit?02:22
somerville32The feisty stuff02:22
somerville32All taken care of?02:22
tsmitheall the stuff that was in the document you gave me02:22
tsmithebut as i said, there was no more xfce stuff02:22
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MagicFabthis is hardly "auto away"02:25
tsmitheheh02:26
beunohe didn't seem in such a good mood, so tt's probably more that02:26
tsmithedid you see my response02:26
tsmithe"* tsmithe is away: sleeping02:27
tsmithe<jenda> tsmithe: don't do that. You're making the operator's life a lot more difficult, having to try and detect bad humor, and deciding if it is a reason to act in and of itself."02:27
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MagicFab?02:27
tsmithe??02:27
MagicFabhow is the op life any more difficult ? 02:28
tsmithewho knows02:28
tsmithejenda was being cranky02:28
beunosomerville32, when's the UWN 25 gonno launch?02:33
somerville32tsmite: I think you should apologize to Jenda. You were very rude.02:34
somerville32beuno: When ever Burgwork has time.02:34
MagicFabtsmithe, I had a somewhat heated exchange with her02:34
somerville32It is a he02:35
somerville32Jenda is male.02:35
MagicFabsomerville32, huh, oups02:36
MagicFabtx02:36
beunosomerville32, any big changes?  I've had ppl translate ir all day, and it's about 70% done02:37
somerville32beuno: The only thing changing is the feisty changes02:37
beunogreat02:38
beunothat's mainly what's left to translate02:38
somerville32Alrighty02:38
somerville32I got run02:39
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somerville32Tak to you all tomorrow02:39
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beunog'night02:39
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rjianhello guys..03:50
rjianhello XiXaQ 03:51
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rjianhelo Admiral_Chicago 04:12
Admiral_Chicagorjian: hello04:13
rjianAdmiral_Chicago: holidays is fast approaching :)04:13
Admiral_Chicagoyes they are rj04:14
rjianAdmiral_Chicago: hehe by the way can u give me links of the UWN 25? I write something hehe04:15
Admiral_Chicagojust a sec04:15
Admiral_Chicagorjian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue2504:15
rjianAdmiral_Chicago: hehe ok thnx.. theres a new christmas release hehee04:17
Admiral_Chicagoa new  chirstmas release of what?04:18
rjianAdmiral_Chicago: ubuntu hehehe04:19
Admiral_Chicagohmm, i'll have to look that up04:19
rjianAdmiral_Chicago: how can i add it on UWN 25?04:21
Admiral_Chicagoedit the wiki04:21
rjian i will add it on the last part of the article? i mean the bottom?04:22
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Admiral_Chicagorjian: actually, you'll want to talk to somerville3204:23
rjianAdmiral_Chicago: ah ok..04:24
Admiral_ChicagoUWN was late, so it's for everything that happened last week04:24
Admiral_Chicagoyou want to add that information to UWN2604:24
somerville32rjian: Please do not add anything to UWN25.04:24
rjianAdmiral_Chicago: ok u can check the site if u want ehehe04:24
somerville32Please add to 2604:24
rjiansomerville32: ok.. no problem04:25
rjiansomerville32: theres a new Ubuntu xmas edition how can i add it there?04:26
somerville32rjian: You can add it under the community news04:27
rjiansomerville32: ok thnx a lot.. :)04:27
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rjiansomerville32: ive already save it.. wats next??04:36
rjiansomerville32: who will edit it?04:37
somerville32We will :] 04:37
rjiansomerville32: actually i dont know who create that OS.. hehe.. do u want to check it?04:40
somerville32We'll look into it04:41
rjiansomerville32: check this link http://ubuntusoftware.info04:41
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Burgundaviasomerville32: ping05:13
somerville32pong05:13
Burgundaviasomerville32: use my nick when you pong somebody05:13
somerville32lol05:13
Burgundaviawhere are we at with 25?05:13
somerville32Burgundavia, Just need final look over05:13
Burgundaviaand then a send?05:13
Burgundaviain the in wiki?05:14
somerville32Yup.05:15
somerville32Feisty changes is a LOT of work05:15
somerville32Took us 6 hours05:15
somerville32Are we going to be able to do that each week?05:15
Burgundaviayes it is05:15
Burgundaviait goes faster if you ignore bits05:16
somerville32lol05:16
somerville32I ignored 50 packages05:16
BurgundaviaI ignore most non-desktop packages05:18
Burgundaviatruly duplicative stuff i usually nuke05:18
Burgundaviabasically, take the big stuff and the gems and you will make most people happy05:18
Burgundaviasorry about disappearing, but work has been an absolute hell recently05:20
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somerville32I think we should do something to catch up05:20
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Burgundaviasomerville32: you are a member yet?05:28
somerville32Burgundavia, Yup. Why? :)05:28
Burgundaviacan you send via your ubuntu.com addy?05:29
somerville32Yup.05:29
somerville32cody-somerville@ubuntu.com05:29
Burgundaviawant to send it05:29
Burgundavia?05:29
somerville32Sure, lol05:31
Burgundaviagrab the raw output and paste it into an email05:32
somerville32Burgundavia, What do you usually have for the subject?05:32
Burgundavianuke the toc and send to ubuntu-news@lists.ubuntu.com05:32
BurgundaviaUbuntu Weekly News #XX05:32
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somerville32Should I add an apology for the late release?05:37
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somerville32Burgundavia_, sent05:51
Burgundavia_ok05:52
somerville32Burgundavia_, so? :)05:56
Burgundavia_sorry, busy05:57
somerville32Burgundavia_, So, did you hear about what happened to your brother? :P05:59
Burgundavia_no, what?05:59
somerville32He got k-lined05:59
Burgundavia_for what?06:00
somerville32dcc exploit06:00
Burgundavia_using it?06:00
somerville32The rumour is that it was a mistake06:00
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somerville32You just paste a string into the channel and it causes people to crash and burn06:00
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somerville32lol06:01
somerville32Make sure to share all the details ;] 06:04
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somerville32Burgundavia, What do you think about making issue #26 some sort of special holiday issue and have it from the 11th to the 25th so that we can get caught up :P06:08
Burgundaviasure, that works06:08
somerville32really? alrighty06:09
somerville32Burgundavia, release procedure completed.06:18
Burgundaviasounds good06:18
Burgundavialet me get that email out06:18
Burgundaviadone06:19
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somerville32: )06:21
rjianweeeeeeee06:24
rjiansomerville32: another distro hehe06:32
rjiansomerville32: it is called Ubuntu satanic edition..06:32
somerville320_o06:32
rjiansomerville32: check this link http://parker1.co.uk/satanic/installation/06:33
rjiansomerville32: cool for halloween hehe06:33
somerville32I dunno if I want to :P06:33
rjiansomerville32: did u see the x-mas edition??06:33
somerville32lol06:33
somerville32Sorta, yeah06:34
rjiansomerville32: cool for christmas gifts.. hehee06:34
somerville32Burgundavia, So, are we going to have some sort of fancy ceremony for me;] 06:49
Burgundaviahere is your hat. It will get heavy06:49
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somerville32Burgundavia, Are we going to put #25 on fridge?07:20
Burgundaviaright07:20
BurgundaviaI will write something and then get mdke to approve it07:20
somerville32Maybe note that #26 is a special holiday edition?07:21
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Burgundaviasomerville32: you received thanks from the chinese guy yet?07:27
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somerville32Burgundavia, I don't think so. Where would it be?07:30
Burgundaviacoming to your email07:30
somerville32How do you know? lol07:31
Burgundaviabecause it comes everytime07:32
somerville32From the same guy?07:33
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Madpilotthe UWN's Chinese fan club?07:35
bethkoHello, I finally figured out the irc thing.07:36
Burgundaviahey bethko07:37
bethkoHopefully I will be able to make it is meetings and stuff now.07:37
bethkoOk, I am trying to fiugure out how to use orca on here07:41
bethkotab doesn't seem to do what I want it to07:42
bethkoOk, it was ctrl tab and I think my computer is getting slow.07:46
bethkoOk, so I am in the marking chat room. Anything interesting going on? I noticed that the weekly newsletter cameout.07:50
bethkoI am trying to get my hands on more cd's to pass out at events and ship-it doesn't seem to like me.07:51
bethkoMy last two requests were turned down07:51
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nixternali know i haven't been all that active, but if you need help ensuring that there is an "Up-to-date" release for the UWN let me know. it was very odd reading news from a month ago in a "weekly newsletter"08:17
somerville32lol08:17
somerville32nixternal: The next release spans from then to the 30th08:17
somerville32nixternal: So start cooking! :)08:17
nixternalwhen did the last one end? November?08:18
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somerville32nixternal: lol, no :P08:19
somerville32December 11th I think08:19
nixternalahh, ok08:19
somerville32So we're doing one from 11th to 25th with it being released on the 30th08:19
nixternali seen a November 24 in there, so i assumed08:19
somerville32A "holiday special"08:19
somerville32nixternal: that was 2308:20
nixternalno, that was 2508:20
nixternali just got done reading it08:20
nixternalit had marks letter in it08:20
nixternalwhich truthfully, i am sick of hearing about08:20
nixternalidiots at the LUGs have been chewing it up08:20
jendaUWN 25: "It is, apparently, addictive, and requires a large amount of dexterity and wit - which is probably why Toby Smithe has never tried it."08:24
jendaWTF? :)08:24
somerville32: O08:24
jenda(that's not very nice)08:24
somerville32He put that in himself08:24
somerville32Omg.. lol08:24
jendahaha :)08:24
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jendaWhat won't one do to have their name in the UWN ;)08:25
somerville32Oh well, he deserves it08:25
somerville32lol08:25
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jenda..nah :)08:27
somerville32:D08:27
somerville32Awww....08:27
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jendaBut great job, anyway ;)08:27
somerville32Great job everyone! :)08:28
somerville32For Feisty changes, I think we only dropped ~50 packages08:28
somerville32So I think that makes it the most verbose feisty change section ever08:28
somerville32lol08:28
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somerville32I doubt we'll ever be that verbose again, haha08:29
jendahehe ;)08:31
jendaI can help (try helping) with next weeks section on the MT.08:31
jendaI will definitely do the part about the DIY ;)08:31
jendaAs I don't trust anyone to describe it well :-)08:32
somerville32UWN 26 is going to have to be awesome if we're going to get away with not having a UWN for half a month, lol08:32
jendahehe :)08:32
jendaUHMN08:32
jendaUbuntu Half-monthly Newsletter.08:32
somerville32More like: UAMN08:33
somerville32Ubuntu Almost-Monthly Newsletter08:33
somerville32lol08:33
jendaUMIWCOTMBIIDWOOLN08:45
jendaUbuntu Maybe It Will Come Out This Month But If It Don't We're Out Of Luck Newsletter08:45
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somerville32;] 08:56
nixternalwhy won't we have a UWN for half a month?09:00
nixternaljust because it is the holidays doesn't mean we get to slack damnit. it means more works, we are ubuntu's little helpers09:01
nixternals/works/work09:02
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jendajuliux: Good morning09:04
juliuxgood morning jenda 09:04
jendanixternal: right ;)09:04
juliuxjenda, nice skript on ubuntuforums.org that sends out the birthday greetings09:05
jendajuliux: Do you think you could write me up some info on your shirts so that I could put them up on diy.devubuntu.com?09:05
juliuxjenda, sure09:05
jendaI only have one other shipping project to offer.09:05
jendacool09:05
juliuxjenda, but i have to find time, because i will travel home for christmas tommorow09:06
jendaIt's no hurry09:06
jenda(But the sooner the better :) )09:06
jendaPeople tend to ask me about shirts often, too.09:06
juliuxok09:07
juliuxjenda, http://diy.devubuntu.com/index.php?sub=get where can if order the second poster?09:09
jendaYou can't, sorry.09:09
jendaYou can download it, though.09:09
jendahttp://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/DIY%20Material/Ubuntu_Posters_Roughcut/09:09
juliuxbut the is get it the wrong category or?09:10
jenda Madpilot09:10
jendajuliux: it's a working version, nothing on there is true ;)09:10
juliuxah ok09:10
Madpilothmm? 09:12
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slytherinCan I provide any feedback on UWN 25 now?09:22
slytherintsmithe: ping09:24
jendaslytherin: you're free to :)09:30
jendaFeedback is very welcome.09:30
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jendaMadpilot: nuttin', just about the posters.09:30
Madpilotyeah, saw that09:30
slytherinjenda: Some paragraphs are duplicated in Changes in Feisty section. Specifically paragraphs about Guifications, Seahorse and irda-util09:31
jendaMadpilot: still got any of the posters left? MagicFab would like one - no idea how near or far he is, though.09:31
jendaBurgwork^09:32
MadpilotI do, but I think he's in Montreal, which means he's almost closer to you in the Czech Rep. as he is to me ;)09:32
jendaslytherin: ok, we'll relay that to somerville09:32
jendahehe :)09:32
jendabirt09:54
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jendajuliux: cool, didn't know the forums had one ;)09:54
juliuxjenda, you mean the birthday greetings from the forum?09:55
jendajuliux: yep10:08
tsmithehowdy slytherin 10:08
tsmithedid you say dupes in feisty changes????!10:08
tsmitheargh god10:08
tsmithethat section causes more trouble than it's worth!10:08
tsmithewell, i'm removing them10:09
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tsmithefor a couple of days10:25
tsmithei'll help with uwn when i'm back ;)10:25
tsmithebye cranky evil jenda10:25
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jendaI'm not cranky anymore ;)10:30
jendaBut you're still using enter as punctuation, and that can get me cranky quite quick.10:30
jenda10:30
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jendadanbuch929: aloha01:09
danbuch929jenda: bon matin01:10
jendathey don't say that, dan ;) 01:10
jendathey just say bon jour, lame frenchmen, them 01:10
danbuch929hehe01:10
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jenda(Although they do say it for evening and night... to confuse us)01:11
jendadanbuch929: I just had a new idea for the site.01:11
jendaBut..01:11
jendaI forgot.01:11
danbuch929that is a problem01:11
danbuch929to communicate information, one must remember it01:12
danbuch929argh01:12
jendaMemory I/O error...01:12
jenda:)01:12
danbuch929how will we solve this?01:12
jendaRun a memtest, I'd say...01:12
jendaand voila, it's back.01:12
jenda:)01:12
danbuch929I'm too volatile for that :-P 01:12
jendaYeah - I was thinking.01:12
jendaWe will have a page for juliux' shirts, and menza's stickers.01:13
jenda(stickers that I'm shipping)01:13
danbuch929good, yes01:13
jendaHow about having a page-ling for projects that people are about to do, but aren't sure of it yet? It could help generate feedback.01:13
jendaIt might be a bad idea filling the site with trash, too.01:14
danbuch929hrm...01:14
jendaFor example, I'm not sure if I should do a re-run of them posters or not, wondering if it would be worthwhile having a page for that... or not.01:14
jendaYeah, I might be inclining towards not, myself now ;) As you can see, I haven't had time to think about it much :)01:15
danbuch929would this somehow fit into the best practices section of "spread it"01:15
danbuch929hehe01:15
jendaI think it would be more fit in the shipping section, because I don't see that section filling up.01:16
danbuch929gotcha01:16
jendaPeople will be coming for ready-made materials...01:16
jenda...they'll see that we offer A, B and C, but not D-Z...01:16
jenda...if they know exactly what they want, they'll urge about it, I'm sure...01:17
jenda...but if they aren't completely sure,...01:17
jenda...and if we have a page about D-M, for example, of stuff that ain't out yet, but might be if people show enough demand...01:17
jenda...it might help show that demand.01:17
jendaBut a forum thread can do just that as well...01:18
danbuch929I like your idea ...  but yes, I think that the forum is the place for it01:18
jenda...at the same time, I see no reason why not to have an 'under consideration page' which would have a picture, and a link to the forum thread.01:18
danbuch929we can always set up a permalink to the relevant forum thread :-)01:18
danbuch929HA01:18
jenda01:19
jendaOK, I'll give this some thought...01:19
danbuch929yes, I like all of the Digg-ness that's going on with our design01:19
danbuch929I don't think it's a bad model to follow - it's familiar01:19
jendaDiggness? :)01:22
jendaI digg all the like-ness that's going on, for sure ;)01:22
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danbuch929sorry.....  I was just referring to the fact that we're looking to make diy more of an aggregation of links01:24
danbuch929... with user voting01:24
danbuch929...and commentary01:24
danbuch929...like Digg.com (and many others, yes)01:24
danbuch929it's, like... totally "Web 2.0" :-P01:25
danbuch929I changed the tooltips, BTW ...  http://diy.devubuntu.com01:26
danbuch929:-)01:26
jendahehe :)01:29
jendaok01:29
jendadanbuch929: could they be vertically centered?01:30
danbuch929will do - except....   it's a bit tricky01:31
jendaah01:31
danbuch929it's actual text, not an image01:31
jendaok01:31
danbuch929and the sizing is relative to the browser defaults01:31
jendatext is good...01:31
jendaI see.01:31
jendamm01:31
danbuch929...neither of which are particularly good excuses01:31
danbuch929there's a way to do it...01:31
jendahehe :)01:32
danbuch929I just can't get the CSS to work the way I'm expecting it to01:32
danbuch929I'll prod beuno for help on this later today01:32
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Burgworkjenda: I don't have any posters06:32
jendaBurgwork: did I say you do?06:34
Burgworkright06:34
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beunohello danbuck92906:46
jendabeuno: hey there...06:47
jendaI recommend using tab-completion.06:47
beunohey jenda06:47
beunolol06:47
jenda06:47
beunohmm, hello, danbuch92906:47
beuno;D06:47
beunoI didn't think it would work06:48
danbuch929hellooooo?06:48
beunothanks jenda06:48
jendanp06:48
beunoDan, I was about to work on the webpage, should I go ahead and change everything into includes?06:49
danbuch929that'd be great!06:49
danbuch929I've got copies of the whole site hither and thither, so no worries!06:49
danbuch929include to your heart's desire06:49
beunooh, I wasn't gonno overwrite it online, just upload to the dir06:50
beunobut if you want...06:50
beunothat change is gonno help me out with the programming06:50
beunoand I cleaned up the code a bit while I was at it06:51
danbuch929I'd encourage you to just edit everything inside "/" rather than "/proposed-changes/"06:56
danbuch929it's in the best interest of the project to help you, the primary php coder :-)06:56
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beunogreat then06:57
beunoI like that option much better06:57
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beunoI'm gonno try and get better performance out of the CSS also06:58
beunoso you don't need 3d rendering enabled for it to be smooth  ;D06:58
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danbuch929beuno: sorry to take so long in replying ...  that's great!  Please prod and edit to your liking - whatever makes your job easier with PHP/MySQL08:06
beuno;D08:06
beunogreat08:06
beunodoing it as we speak08:06
beunoI'll upload to diy then08:06
danbuch929excellent08:06
beunoany idea whats delaying UWN 25?08:13
tonyyarussobeuno: Overstretched people :(08:14
beuno;(08:20
beunoanything I can do to help?08:20
beunoor is it one of those things where only "X" can do it?08:21
Burgwork25 is out08:24
tonyyarussoI'm not sure - ask sommerville32 when he's around.08:24
tonyyarussoSo it is.08:24
tonyyarussoGo go go 26!08:24
beunoheh08:28
beunook ok08:28
beunoI'll get back to my php08:29
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