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joejaxxtime to pick another merge lol12:29
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ivokshi12:30
tsmithehiya12:30
sistpotyhi ivoks12:31
ivoksi hate voodoo in debian/patches :/12:31
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ivoksthis guy adds sed scripts in debian/patches and runs them trough rules12:32
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ivoksshould i follow his logic or do it like it should be done :)12:32
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=== lupine_85 passes ivoks a chicken
ivoks:)12:33
lupine_85debian & ubuntu specify no direct changes to the source :/12:34
ivoksthis aren't direct changes12:34
ivoksthis is debian/patches12:34
ivoksand this guy doesn't use patch to patch things up12:34
ivokshe uses sed12:34
lupine_85weird12:35
lupine_85i would just use sed in debian/rules directly12:35
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lupine_85or run sed on patches, which are then applied... depending on context :)12:36
ivoksurgh... i'm really not in the mood for sed scripts :/12:36
sistpoty_Enchained: uploaded12:37
_Enchainedthanks sistpoty12:38
sistpotythanks for you contribution, _Enchained ;)12:38
_Enchainedit's a joy for me12:38
ivokssistpoty: any advice? :)12:38
sistpotyivoks: working on a merge?12:38
ivokssistpoty: yes12:39
sistpotyivoks: how many sed scripts are there?12:39
ivokssistpoty: 312:39
ivoksand each is called from rules12:39
sistpotyivoks: I guess 3 small ones? Then maybe I'd apply them once, and kick them out, and ship the stuff in the diff12:40
ivoksi really don't understand why he did it this way12:40
sistpotyivoks: I assume, he wanted to keep the diff small12:40
ivokssistpoty: actually, bacula is allready merged, but FTBS12:40
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ivokssistpoty: our newer libc-dev has variable that bacula was using12:41
sistpotynice12:41
ivoks'tee'12:41
ivoksit's not big problem, but...12:41
sistpotyivoks: do you need to touch the sed scripts to fix this?12:41
ivoksno12:41
ivoksi would like to do it with patch12:41
ivoksand i'll do it :/12:41
sistpotyivoks: I would go the way of least resistance... just modify the source and don't care about a patch-system12:42
ivokshm...12:42
sistpoty(but I'm lazy, and I don't like patch systems *g*)12:42
ivokswe can't touch source12:42
ivoksthat creates lots of headache later :)12:43
ivoksargh.... it's 00:4312:43
sistpotyivoks: why would that? (of course I mean source via plain .diff.gz, not orig-tarball)12:43
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sistpotyor this this one of the tarball in the tarball thingy?12:44
ivoksno, it's not12:44
ivoksi could do it that way, yes...12:44
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sistpotygn8 everyone02:37
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bddebianHeya gang02:51
joejaxxanyone nkow why i whould be getting ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Device or resource busy02:51
joejaxxon the ubuntu livecd?02:51
joejaxxknow*02:51
joejaxxhello bddebian 02:51
joejaxxi did that ivman merge02:51
joejaxx:)02:51
bddebianGood man02:51
crimsun_ah, good ole ivman02:52
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bddebianheh02:52
joejaxx:) yeah i like it02:52
bddebiancrimsun_: When are you leaving us?02:52
crimsun_10 hours02:52
bddebianDoh02:52
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ajmitchwe'll miss you, honest02:53
joejaxxyeap :(02:53
bhalegoing where?02:53
joejaxxcrimsun_: whould you know why i whould be getting a device busy for /dev/loop0 on the ubuntu livecd?02:58
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crimsun_bhale: irvine>oakland>kowloon02:59
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bhalecrimsun_: but we'll see you again in a few weeks?02:59
crimsun_tomorrow for revu, then next wednesday03:00
crimsun_joejaxx: sorry, what's the context? when? where?03:00
bhalemaybe unmounting it?03:00
joejaxxcrimsun_: on the ubuntu edgy livecd03:01
joejaxxcrimsun_: normally i use knoppix to do this03:01
crimsun_right, but when?03:02
joejaxxcrimsun_: well in this case using losetup03:02
crimsun_try using the next loop device03:02
joejaxxi should be using dm_crypt but bah03:02
joejaxxcrimsun_: i did03:02
joejaxxioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument03:03
crimsun_interesting, haven't seen that on the 6.10 live cd03:03
joejaxxmaybe i should use an older ubuntu cd03:03
joejaxxit will not matter as i am debootstraping anyway03:04
joejaxxhmm03:04
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joejaxxi am just wondering why i am getting that error though03:04
joejaxxhold on bbl booting fluxbuntu03:05
joejaxxok03:09
joejaxxi am back03:10
joejaxxnope03:11
joejaxxit does not work on dapper either03:11
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joejaxxthat is unfortunate03:18
joejaxx:\03:18
bddebianHeya Laser03:19
bddebian+Jock03:19
joejaxxhello LaserJock 03:19
LaserJockhi guys03:19
=== ajmitch hopes etch releases in a few weeks, so we can use it at work
ajmitchhey LaserJock 03:19
crimsun_2/3 of the motu trinity!03:20
ajmitchyay!03:20
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bddebian*cough*03:20
LaserJockheh03:20
bhalesorry03:20
=== ajmitch should probably do more work on debian
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=== bhale too
bhalesince dajobe seems to have thrown in the towl03:24
bhaleand beowulf pops up once a month03:24
LaserJockwell, so what exactly is the point of waiting until it's released?03:25
ajmitchin my case, we have servers from a hosting provider03:25
ajmitchso it's a good thing to get etch pre-installed03:25
LaserJockdo they do anything but security updates?03:25
ajmitchrather than dist-upgrade a production box to etch03:26
LaserJockah03:26
ajmitchI have no problem doing a dist-upgrade, obviously03:26
LaserJockyeah, it would be good to get servers up to etch03:26
ajmitchbut it takes time03:26
LaserJockI think my only Debian box will stay sarge03:27
LaserJockI'd like to update it but I need to stay with a 2.4 kernel03:27
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ajmitchI don't know if my old speedtouch USB will work with the kernel drivers in 2.6, without some pain03:29
LaserJockthis is the first Debian release I've seen, it's interesting03:29
ajmitchI might replace it with a decent adsl2+-capable modem though03:29
LaserJockI'm stuck because of a proprietary driver for data acquisition03:30
=== ajmitch has seen a couple of debian releases
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effie_jayxajmitch,  I have the same modem... 04:02
effie_jayxthe blue sting ray... :S04:02
ajmitchblue or green?04:03
effie_jayxwell more like cyan04:03
effie_jayx:D04:03
ajmitchyeah04:03
ajmitchwith something like rev 0 firmware04:03
effie_jayxI didn't try it after hoary though... 04:03
effie_jayxI gave up on it04:04
ajmitchheh04:04
effie_jayxbought a 04:04
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effie_jayxstarbridge my 04:04
effie_jayxajmitch,  :D way to go... :D04:04
ajmitchwith a script from cron that checks if ppp0 is down, if so, it reloads the usb kernel modules & reloads the modem firmware04:05
ajmitchmost reliable way of keeping the connection going04:05
bddebianDamn, geser is a machine04:07
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LaserJockany core-devs about?04:21
ajmitchLaserJock: depends04:24
LaserJockI need a sponsor for a -proposed upload04:25
ajmitchwhat is it?04:25
LaserJockbug #7502104:25
LaserJockhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/python-imaging/+bug/7502104:26
ajmitchhow much should I charge for uploads? 04:26
lupine_85$$$ :)04:27
LaserJockhmm, well there are other core-devs so you'd have competition04:29
ajmitchI'm sure we could get together & agree on a standard rate :)04:30
ajmitchnothing wrong with a bit of price-fixing :)04:31
LaserJockbah, I'd have to get the TB to do some anti-trust work and break you up04:31
ajmitchwho said they wouldn't be in on it?04:32
LaserJockwell, maybe I'd have to go to the CC04:33
LaserJocksurely mako would help04:33
ajmitchCC are all core devs at the moment04:33
chillywillytsk tsk04:34
=== ajmitch will consider taking a look at the debdiff later on this evening :)
bddebianGrrr04:44
chillywillyhi bddebian 04:47
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bddebianHeya chillywilly04:48
joejaxxhow can i find out what is using /dev/loop0?04:48
joejaxxit keeps saying resource busy04:48
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joejaxxman that is annoying04:49
fernandofuser or lsof04:49
joejaxxhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38033/04:52
joejaxxfernando: thanks for that information btw04:52
fernandojoejaxx: you're welcome04:54
bddebianHas anyone else looked at fnfx?  I don't think the changes are relevant anymore04:56
Fujitsu_What are said changes?04:58
bddebianA build-dep on libtool, calling autoconf in rules and a couple of other such things04:59
bddebianThere was a patch for Hoary for acpi also but I'm not sure that's even relevant anymore04:59
Fujitsu_If there is a new Debian version, I doubt that's necessary.04:59
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joejaxxsudo losetup -d /dev/loop0 05:05
joejaxxioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy05:05
joejaxxrofl05:05
joejaxxoh man05:06
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Burgundaviaimbrandon: ping05:20
bddebianHeya Burgundavia05:20
Burgundaviahey bddebian05:20
ajmitchhi Burgundavia 05:21
Burgundaviahey ajmitch05:21
bddebianWe had no binaries for diacanvas in Edgy nor do we have any in Feisty??05:21
Hobbseebddebian: it never built05:23
Fujitsu_Yes, silly... I forget what it is.05:23
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Hobbseehehe05:23
bddebianIt was .. Hmm now I can't remember either05:23
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LaserJockdarn it, I'm trying to find a bug, but I can't find it :/05:59
joejaxxLaserJock: what was the bug about?06:03
LaserJockwell, something about not being able to hibernate because of some swap/kernel problem06:03
LaserJockwhich obviously gives me a bazillion results in LP06:04
joejaxxwere there any other specifics06:05
LaserJocknot really that I remember06:07
bddebianStupid freakin' diacanvas :-(06:09
Fujitsu_Why, bddebian?06:10
bddebianFTBFS06:10
Fujitsu_Of course!06:11
Fujitsu_Damn Gentoo server...06:11
Fujitsu_Trying to install dspam. dspam wants MySQL 5... But that's going to break everything that uses MySQL... damnit.06:11
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jikanterwhatis dsfg about pysvn?06:29
jikanteris it subversion?06:29
LaserJockjikanter: what is your question?06:31
jikanterwhen a package is labeled with dsfg, that means that there is some sort of problem that may have to be resolved in the original tarball, is that correct?06:31
jikanterAs in remove some sort of non-free software component06:32
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LaserJockjikanter: yep06:40
jikanterthanks06:40
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LaserJockdoes a swap partition usually show up with a df -a ?07:10
Fujitsu_LaserJock: I don't believe so.07:10
Fujitsu_Indeed, it doesn't.07:10
LaserJockis there a way to tell if my system is actually using the swap partition07:11
Hobbseeit seems not07:11
Hobbseefree07:11
LaserJockyeah, just thought of that07:11
LaserJockinteresting07:11
LaserJockno swap for me07:11
LaserJock= no hibernation07:11
Hobbseeenable swap again then?07:11
Fujitsu_swapon!07:11
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LaserJockwell, that seems like a very temporary solution07:14
Lathiatno, it doesnt07:14
Lathiatcat /proc/swaps07:14
LaserJocknothing07:15
Lathiatthen no swap :)07:15
Lathiatswapon -a ?07:15
Lathiatif a hibernate fails07:15
Lathiatit screws your swap07:15
Lathiatand you need to mkswap07:15
Lathiatalso means the UUID= will change07:15
Lathiatso edgys UUID= for swap in /etc/fstab07:15
Lathiatneeds fixing07:15
LaserJockwell, why don't I just not use UUID?07:15
Lathiator that07:15
Lathiat(UUID= changing is a result of having to mkswap07:16
LaserJockwell, I'm looking at bug #6663707:16
Lathiatnot hibernating07:16
Lathiata normal hibernate wont change the id of the swap07:16
Lathiator at least07:16
Lathiati assume it wont07:16
Lathiatperhaps it does07:16
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Lathiaterr, ubugtu, which isnt there07:16
Lathiatcould be related yet07:17
Lathiatyeh07:17
LaserJockwell, it seems that Scott says that bug is only for people who ran mkswap07:17
LaserJockand I didn't07:17
Lathiatright but if you had a hibernate fail07:17
LaserJockbut I'm not sure what my solution is supposed to be07:17
Lathiatit eats the swap07:17
Lathiatso it wont mount07:17
Lathiatso you need to mkswap07:17
Lathiatin which case, you'll hit that bug07:17
Lathiatby fail i mean you hibernated07:17
Lathiatbut on next boot it didnt resume07:17
Lathiatand booted normally07:18
LaserJockhmm, I don't remember that happening but ok07:18
Lathiatwell07:18
Lathiatput it this way07:18
Lathiatcan you swapon the partition07:18
Lathiatif not, what does it say when you try?07:18
LaserJockInvalid Argument07:20
LaserJockmore precisely: swapon: /dev/disk/by-uuid/f59bd815-d749-497d-aa92-fc2e2a2d572a: Invalid argument07:21
LaserJockcan I just switch fstab to the right partition and it'll work?07:21
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ScottKI've uploaded a revised package for pyspf for revu based on yesterday's comments.  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3833 I believe it's ready for REVU when someone is available.  Thanks.08:37
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Burgundaviaimbrandon: you around?08:48
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imbrandonBurgwork, pong09:30
imbrandonello all09:31
\shmoins09:45
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gpocentekhello10:00
tsmithehi10:02
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dholbachgood morning10:24
gpocentekmorning Daniel10:24
ajmitchhi daniel10:24
dholbachhey gpocentek - you changed your nick?10:26
dholbachhey Andrew10:26
Fujitsudholbach, looks like he succumbed to peer pressure :(10:26
gpocentekdholbach: yes, copying yours ;)10:26
dholbachoh man :-)10:27
=== gpocentek wants to become a new Daniel Holbach :)
siretartdholbach!!!10:29
dholbachI'm not sure if it's the best thing to take a leaf out of my book :)10:29
dholbachheya siretart!10:29
siretart:)10:29
siretartdholbach: update about bzr-builddeb: Looks like I'm comaintaining the package now. Maintainer and upstream is James Westby, code looks clean, but needs python-debian synced from debian/experimental first.10:30
dholbachoh NICE10:30
dholbachsiretart: you ROCK!10:30
siretartlooks very smooth up to now, there are some loose ends in the code, but those other commands aren't really thought to the end yet10:31
siretartfor everyday use, its usable10:31
dholbachnice... that's really good news for everybody10:31
siretartright. I think I'll blog about it as soon as everything is ready in feisty10:31
siretartit already works on my feisty/amd64 workstation10:31
dholbachThanks a lot for that10:32
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dholbachHAPPY REVU DAY :)10:38
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FujitsuNoooooooo.10:38
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MehdiHassanpourhi :)10:40
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FujitsuHi MehdiHassanpour.10:40
MehdiHassanpourty for adding aspell-fa package to Feisty packages10:40
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MehdiHassanpourwe've uploaded ttf-freefarsi to debian unstable10:42
MehdiHassanpourwill you add this package to Feisty repos too10:42
FujitsuIt will be automatically imported if it is in unstable/main10:43
MehdiHassanpouryes, it's in unstable10:43
dholbachFujitsu: the debian import freeze is coming up soon10:43
Fujitsudholbach, this is true.10:43
dholbachso our archive admins *might* need some prodding10:44
MehdiHassanpourhow you'll be informed about the new packages in unstable ?10:44
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dholbachhey Hobbsee10:44
FujitsuHey Hobbsee.10:44
FujitsuHAPPY REVU DAY!10:44
FujitsuNyahahaha10:44
dholbachYEEEHAAAA10:44
dholbachMehdiHassanpour: how does ttf-freefarsi look? is it better than the existing farsi fonts?10:44
MehdiHassanpourlooks good, and should be the only persian font very near to unicode10:45
Hobbseehey Fujitsu, dholbach 10:45
Hobbseeoh no!  it cant be REVU day!10:45
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tepsipakkiso, it's (a) REVU/HUG/MERGE day(s) now :)10:46
Hobbseetepsipakki: get reviewing :P10:46
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dholbachMehdiHassanpour: nice... should it be the default for ar and fa locales?10:46
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tepsipakkiactually, I'm thinking about making my first merge10:46
dholbachtepsipakki: ROCK ON10:47
tepsipakkiIt's about time10:47
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Hobbseetepsipakki: yay!10:47
MehdiHassanpourdholbach: dejavu is default now10:47
tepsipakkibddebian: ping? I'd merge beneath-a-steel-sky :)10:47
dholbachMehdiHassanpour: ah right10:48
MehdiHassanpourwe are working on dejavu too look better for persian too10:48
MehdiHassanpourshots of ttf-freefont http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=12470210:49
MehdiHassanpoursorry ttf-freefarsi10:49
dholbachthey look REAL good10:50
MehdiHassanpourdholbach: do I need to inform you about packages we add in debian unstable ?10:50
MehdiHassanpouraspell-hy will be added soon10:50
dholbachMehdiHassanpour: if you like us to have a specific version and we're in a freeze, then sure, I'm happy to take orders on that :)10:52
MehdiHassanpourdholbach: then how you'll be informed about new packges added in unstable ? 10:53
dholbachMehdiHassanpour: it's hard to find out - i check debian-devel-changes@, but it's easy to miss things in the load of uploads there10:54
MehdiHassanpourdholbach: MOTU team are doing great job :) thank you all 10:57
MehdiHassanpourdholbach: how will packges come from Universe to Main ?10:59
dholbachMehdiHassanpour: thanks a lot... and thanks for your work too10:59
dholbachMehdiHassanpour: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements10:59
MehdiHassanpour:-)11:00
tepsipakkihmm, the change in beneath-a-s-s (!) is just a desktop file, which could be useful on debian too. Should I push it to debian first?11:01
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neutrinomassAccording to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/nedit/, 5.5-2 is in Edgy, but I can only see 5.5-1 , which probably leads to bug 5780811:04
dholbachtepsipakki: sure11:04
neutrinomassWhat happened to 5.5-2 ?11:04
dholbach1:5.5-2ubuntu1 is in edgy11:05
dholbachaccording to the page you mentioned11:05
neutrinomassdholbach: It's not though!11:05
dholbachlook in the left second portlet11:05
dholbachit's in DEPWAIT11:05
dholbachso it hasn't built11:05
dholbachonly the source is there11:05
neutrinomassdholbach: true - it's waiting for libmotif-dev, since july11:06
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neutrinomasswhy though? it apparently poses no requirements on the libmotif-dev version, and libmotif-dev exists .... 11:08
dholbachit's in multiverse11:10
robhey, debuild -S is giving me "gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available" even though I just restored it from backup (this is a fresh-ish edgy install) and marked it ultimately trusted, is there anything else I need to do?11:10
dholbachHowever the following packages replace it:11:10
dholbach  lesstif2-dev11:10
dholbachso rebuild nedit with lesstif2-dev11:11
dholbachrob: do you have a gpg key on that machine?11:11
Hobbseerob: specify the key wiht -k11:11
Hobbseerob: and add it to your .bashrc, even better11:11
robdholbach: yes, both the public and private ones11:11
neutrinomassdholbach: from the debian changelog : Replaced lesstif2 with libmotif-dev, because with ubuntus     new lesstif2 version nedit doesn't work11:12
dholbachI use this in .bashrc (as Hobbsee said):11:12
dholbachexport DEBFULLNAME='Daniel Holbach'11:12
dholbachexport DEBEMAIL='daniel.holbach@ubuntu.com'11:12
dholbachneutrinomass: then you need to tell the buildd admins to move nedit to multiverse too11:12
dholbachneutrinomass: universe stuff can't build-depend on multiverse stuff11:12
neutrinomassdholbach: So I open a new bug and subscribe the archive to it ?11:13
dholbachneutrinomass: archive-admin, yeah - I should think so11:14
robah, yeah that worked, now to remember my passphrase :(11:14
Hobbseedholbach: ubuntu-archive?11:14
dholbachneutrinomass: what Hobbsee said *poors himself another cup of tea*11:15
dholbach. o O { lalala }11:15
neutrinomassHobbsee, dholbach: Ok, thanks. I'll subscribe stephan hermann as well who did the debian upload11:15
Hobbseehehe11:16
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siretartneutrinomass: he is \sh in this channel11:27
neutrinomasssiretart: I didn't remember if it was \sh or sh\ :p11:28
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ajmitchoh dear, my vmware window has no fonts again11:30
robouch11:32
ajmitchit's happened before11:33
ajmitchpart of the fun of running feisty11:33
robah11:33
robwhich version of vmware?11:33
ajmitchserver11:33
ajmitchso it's a 32-bit app on 64-bit ubuntu11:33
ajmitchit gets its own copy of gtk+ & pango11:34
robI have player going here for a windows xp install for itunes11:34
robyay my hyperion package build successfully11:34
tepsipakkibddebian: filed bugs upstream about survex and b-a-s-s, they could be sync-able after a while11:34
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Yagisanajmitch, the feisty amd64 kernel boots for you ?11:41
ajmitchdepends, what problems are you having?11:42
Yagisanajmitch, I'm poking around to see why it fails to boot on me. seems hang, but responds to the 3 finger salute11:42
ajmitchwhere does it hang?11:42
ajmitchit does take ~6 minutes to drop me to a busybox shell so that I can start md & lvm manually11:43
Yagisanajmitch, shortly after "raid" setup, on the sata and usb drivers dialog11:43
ajmitchaha11:43
ajmitchso you've got the same problem11:43
Yagisanand I have sata raid and usb11:43
Yagisanso, I'm running edgys kernel.11:43
ajmitchwhich won't be fixed until udev runs mdadm, rather than the script being run before sata modules are loaded11:43
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ajmitchyou'll find that it will boot fine, if you have some patience & know what to run11:44
Yagisan:/ well, I'd only lose home while waiting a long time for it to boot11:47
ajmitchah11:48
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ajmitchso it's a bit more important11:48
Yagisanajmitch, I did re-install edgy to move root off raid11:52
ajmitchwhy?11:53
siretartajmitch: I assume the race isn't fixed yet, as I didn't notice relevant uploads. right?11:58
ajmitchI think so11:59
siretartYagisan: in a bugreport I read, that booting with 'break=mount' and pressing ctrl-d afterwards makes your system boot11:59
imbrandonugh11:59
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imbrandonheya siretart ajmitch 12:00
ajmitchhey siretart 12:00
ajmitch& imbrandon :)12:01
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imbrandon:)12:01
imbrandonman this thing is a speed demon , now if i can just get ubuntu on it :(12:01
imbrandonwell speedy compared to what i was used too, even with half the ram12:01
imbrandonhehe12:01
ajmitchheh12:02
robis there any reason why pbuilder would make a package ok, but get to install-binary and install and fail on both?12:02
imbrandon3ghz dual core pentium d em64t, but only 512mb ram :(12:03
robs/package/run make12:03
ajmitchrob: the package is broken :)12:03
robajmitch: any suggestion?12:03
ajmitchnot without relevant errors12:03
robit was just set up with dh_make12:03
ajmitchthen that's the problem12:03
ajmitchfind out what is breaking in it12:03
roboh?12:03
Yagisanajmitch, the reinstall was because of degraded raid5 array, no replacement parts (no cash), and not enough online storage to backup, and I didn't see any docs on how to convert from degraded raid5 to raid1 without backing up all my data anyway12:03
ajmitchdh_make gives a good suggestion, not a working package12:04
robajmitch: all it is telling me is error 1, error 2 respectively12:04
ajmitchrob: the error is further up12:04
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imbrandon...12:20
dholbachdid anybody see dolson or somebody else from the ubuntustudio folks in the last time?12:24
dholbachit'd be nice if they took care of seq24 merge and pushed the manpage and the desktop file upstream12:24
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Hobbseedholbach: i thought i did that?  ages ago?12:30
dholbachit's on the list12:30
fernandomoin all12:30
Hobbseeah12:31
Hobbseeit was a sync, too12:31
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Hobbseehrm, perhaps not12:32
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gpocenteknew libgoffice and gnumeric in debian, I think I know wht I'm going to do this afternoon...12:44
dholbachgpocentek: you should ask the debian maintainer again if he wouldn't like to use your patch12:45
dholbachgpocentek: it proves to work quite well for us12:45
gpocentekdholbach: I'll mail him again, with the updated patches12:46
dholbachROCK :)12:46
gpocentek:)12:46
gpocentekand `echo "REVU REVU REVU" >> TODO` for tomorrow ;)12:46
FujitsuArgh, that evil gnumeric from experimental.12:48
FujitsuEvil, evil, evil.12:48
gpocentekFujitsu: that's strange, some people really like it better than the one we had in dapper12:48
FujitsuIt also breaks things needing a proper goffice.12:49
gpocentekright...12:49
Fujitsuie. not the unstable one not recommended for general use.12:49
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OrnedanG'day. Does anyone know who I have to yell at to get bug 68053 fixed? There even seems to be a possible fix (bug 68380), but no-one seems to be really interested in getting it to the repository01:20
UbugtuMalone bug 68053 in azureus "Eclipse will not start (Edgy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6805301:20
UbugtuMalone bug 68380 in eclipse "[SRU]  eclipse for edgy-updates" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6838001:20
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dholbachOrnedan: yelling at people if completely out of order01:28
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Ornedandholbach: I'll assume that s/if/is/. And yes, it is in order if there is obvious neglect, as in this case01:30
FujitsuNo, it's not in order.01:30
FujitsuWe're volunteers... Neglect isn't exactly possible.01:30
dholbachexactly01:30
dholbachif there's a fix that makes sense and has been proven to work, there'a s procedure for inclusion.01:31
OrnedanNeglect is possible, even if you volunteer. By being a maintaner, you take up responsibilities. Which you can then neglect01:31
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Hobbseeeclipse doesnt appear to build with later versions of java, either01:32
dholbachWe work on packages as teams and some things are more important than others. There's no dedicated maintainer for some packages.01:32
HobbseeOrnedan: there arent maintainers in universe for ubuntu01:32
FujitsuPrecisely, dholbach.01:32
Fujitsus/some packages/most packages/, even.01:33
dholbachWe have 20000+ packages and ~100 people working on them (in varying degrees).01:33
FujitsuAnd 20000 open bugs :'(01:33
dholbachhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/FAQ points out the procedure for getting fixes included in the distro.01:33
Hobbsee!info eclipse feisty01:33
ubotueclipse: Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2.1-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 121 kB, installed size 412 kB01:33
Hobbsee!info eclipse edgy01:33
ubotueclipse: Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 121 kB, installed size 412 kB01:33
OrnedanAnyway, in this case, the broken packages got released about the same time as Edgy came out of testing. In other words, w/o getting tested01:34
Hobbseeoh nice, someone merged it for feisty01:34
HobbseeOrnedan: feel free to test stuff before release01:34
FujitsuHobbsee, that's an odd definition of nice.01:34
HobbseeFujitsu: didnt you see how much of a bitch that was to merge, on MOM?01:34
OrnedanHobbsee: I would have. Except there were no packages to test before release01:34
Hobbseeand ther'es no other way to put that - it was horrible01:34
FujitsuHobbsee, I would have honestly preferred that Eclipse were stamped out :P01:35
HobbseeOrnedan: i believe it built long before freeze01:35
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HobbseeFujitsu: me too01:35
dholbachOrnedan: Everybody's happy if you get involved and do testing of patches and stuff like that... it's just that I object to yelling at people who do voluntary work and I predict you that it's not going to help.01:36
OrnedanHobbsee: Could be. However, I was using the edgy testing repos for a few months and didn't get the eclipse packages until around the release date (+-2 days, can't remember exactly)01:36
HobbseeOrnedan: it appears that there are binaries for eclipse on feisty.  i'd suggest testing them in a while, to make sure they work as expected01:36
FujitsuOrnedan, -4 days, actually.01:36
Ornedan'k01:37
dholbachI know that vil and doko work on eclipse and java. But they're both very busy, so they'll appreciate if you decide to work with them01:37
Hobbseewell, there you go01:37
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OrnedanAnyway, what's also nasty about tossing up the broken packages is that the old and functional packages got taken down at the same time. So no rollback option for anyone affected01:39
OrnedanIt would be sort of nice not to leave people hanging in limbo for two months :(01:40
Hobbseedholbach: got anythign in particular you want merged?01:41
FujitsuIt would be nice to have testing pre-release, as well.01:41
dholbachHobbsee: no, I'm quite happy with my list - I did most of seb's and my merges01:41
Hobbseeholy crap!!!01:41
Hobbseehttp://merges.ubuntu.com/f/flight-of-the-amazon-queen/01:41
Hobbsee[   ]  flight-of-the-amazon-queen_1.0.0.orig.tar.gz      02-Jun-2006 16:08   35M  01:41
ajmitchthat's small01:42
FujitsuHeheh, wesnoth is better.01:42
ajmitch[   ]  vegastrike-data_0.4.3.orig.tar.gz 13-Apr-2005 19:28  152M 01:42
FujitsuNot bad.01:42
Hobbseeeek01:42
ajmitchall of the above are games01:43
FujitsuOf course.01:43
FujitsuNo sane application would be big.01:43
ajmitchflight of the amazon queen should be a trivial merge, it's only a .desktop file01:43
Hobbseeyes01:43
Hobbseebut i'm not downloading that base tarball01:43
FujitsuIs it a new upstream version?01:43
Hobbseeno01:44
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FujitsuSo merge it, then fake the .dsc and .changes. Simple.01:44
Hobbseehehe01:44
Hobbseei was thinking about that01:44
StevenKHobbsee: Do flight-of-amazon-queen on liquified, since the local mirror will have the orig01:45
HobbseeStevenK: good point01:45
StevenKIt might require taking liberties with grab-merge.sh, though01:46
Hobbseeyeah01:47
cypher1_i had filed couple of bugs yesterday for merges.. is anyone reviewing it ?01:50
Hobbseecypher1_: bug #'s?01:51
Hobbseeand did you subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors?01:51
cypher1_Hobbsee: one is 7647901:52
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cypher1_Hobbsee: yes i had subscribed01:52
cypher1_let me find the other one :)01:52
cypher1_Hobbsee: second is 7648301:52
Hobbseebug 76479 bug 7648301:53
UbugtuMalone bug 76479 in doc++ "Merge doc++ 3.4.10-3.4 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7647901:53
UbugtuMalone bug 76483 in ipac-ng "Merge ipac-ng 1.31-3 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7648301:53
Hobbseemmm ok01:53
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cypher1_Hobbsee: since i am new to this, i am expecting some review comments which i can work on asap before the deadline :)01:54
Hobbseefair enough01:54
Hobbseethe actual merging doenst end until feature freeze does it?01:54
gnomefreakHobbsee: main merges end tomorrow i believe01:55
cypher1_Hobbsee: oh then its fine :)01:55
Hobbseeah01:55
gnomefreakbut universe ends at feature freeze IRRC01:55
cypher1_gnomefreak: when is that ?01:55
gnomefreakIIRC01:55
gnomefreakcypher1_: not looking at release schedule atm i would think jan. maybe01:56
jikanterWhat does SRU stand for?01:56
cypher1_gnomefreak: ok thanks01:56
StevenKjikanter: Stable Release Update01:56
jikantercool, thanks01:56
gnomefreakcypher1_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule?highlight=%28feisty%29  looks like its feb. 8th02:00
OrnedanAny saner way of acquiring the Feisty Eclipse packages than doing "cat sources.list | sed -e s/edgy/feisty/g | tee sources.list" and then running a package manager?02:03
cypher1_gnomefreak: but it says debianimportfreeze on dec 2102:03
gnomefreakyeah i know and thats when main merges are over02:04
gnomefreakcypher1_: most of us got emails on it :)02:04
cypher1_gnomefreak: so dec 21 does not mean universe merge ?02:05
gnomefreakno02:05
gnomefreakthats main merges have to be done 02:05
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\shanduniverse merges are have to be done as well02:07
\shit has to be: and universe merges have to be done as well on 21dec02:08
gnomefreak\sh: thought it was feature freeze as always?02:08
\shnope because of etch freezing...after 21st dec debian is uploading all the other crack02:09
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Hobbsee\sh: that's just when the autosync stops, isnt it?  02:09
\shjepp...02:09
Hobbsee\sh: we can still request manual syncs, and do merging02:09
Adri2000Seveas: feisty-changes rss feed dead?02:11
SeveasAdri2000, no, but maybe your dns is failing02:12
Seveasmedia.ubuntu-nl.org changed host02:12
Adri2000Seveas: no, that's not the problem, I can download the file without problem but according to it the last upload was 24 hours ago02:13
SeveasAdri2000, then you're downloading it from the old host02:14
Seveasmedia.ubuntu-nl.org should point to 81.171.100.2102:15
Adri2000Resolving media.ubuntu-nl.org... 87.250.139.9802:15
Adri2000okay :-)02:15
Seveasah crap02:15
Seveasmitsuhiko failed to update dns records02:16
Seveasthe .....02:16
Adri2000eh :p02:16
SeveasI am NOT amused02:16
Adri2000oops :] 02:16
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chantrafreeflying_: are you here03:50
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freeflying_chantra: hi03:53
chantrahi freeflying_ are you packaging mms then?03:53
chantrawas going to, but I saw your reply03:53
freeflying_chantra: just begain  :)03:53
chantraseems to be a real cool piece of software03:53
freeflying_chantra: yep03:54
chantraokie dokie, so I'm not going to :)03:54
chantrabtw, how comes freevo has never been packaged?03:54
freeflying_chantra: some guy have worked on it in debian03:54
chantracan't see it though03:55
freeflying_chantra: I found someone has sent out ITP03:56
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chantrawhat's ITP alreday03:57
AmaranthITP = Intent To Package03:57
chantraokie03:57
chantrahttp://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20061116.170903.4d9f87ee.en.html03:57
chantramore than a month ago though03:57
Amaranthin debian someone files an ITP bug so people know they're working on it then close the bug when they upload the package03:58
chantrabtw, there is a bug which hasn't been looked though and still happen03:59
chantrahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python-defaults/+bug/7495603:59
UbugtuMalone bug 74956 in python-defaults "[Feisty]  Can't import python module" [Undecided,Confirmed]  03:59
chantracan you guys launch (in feisty) gnome-btdownload for instance04:00
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sistpoty|unihi folks04:01
jikanterhello04:06
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bddebianHeya gang04:17
gpocentekhello bddebian 04:18
bddebianHeya gpocentek04:18
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sistpoty|unihi bddebian 04:21
bddebianHeya sistpoty|uni04:21
sistpoty|unihi gpocentek as well ;)04:21
gpocentekhello sistpoty|uni :)04:22
siretartslomo: what do you think about http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2006/12/20/lets-hear-the-communitys-voice-the-faad-2-5-licensing-issue?04:23
siretarthey sistpoty|uni & bddebian!04:23
bddebianHi siretart04:24
sistpoty|unihi siretart 04:24
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siretartslomo: practically, this could mean that we have to remove all faad code from ubuntu because of licencing problems04:26
bddebianw00t04:26
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slomosiretart: our version does not have this license problems04:44
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slomosiretart: this was exactly the reason why we have this cvs snapshot, it's the last real GPL version of it04:44
slomosiretart: debian has 2.5 and i already filed a serious bug on it (because debian/copyright says plain GPL)04:45
siretartslomo: okay. thanks for clarification04:46
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slomo_siretart: our version does not have this license problems04:47
slomo_siretart: this was exactly the reason why we have this cvs snapshot, it's the last real GPL version of it04:47
slomo_siretart: debian has 2.5 and i already filed a serious bug on it (because debian/copyright says plain GPL)04:47
slomo_siretart: and i also contacted ahead and the developer in the past with no answer04:47
siretartslomo: okay. thanks for clarification04:48
siretart(I got your first lines, btw ;)04:49
slomo_ok, sorry for repeating then :)04:49
siretartbtw, xine-lib 1.1.3 package restructured is ready for me04:49
siretartbrb04:49
cypher1_if i assume all the outstanding merge bugs raised will be reviewed and uploaded by tomorow, will i be correct ?04:50
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bddebiancypher1_: One can never assume anything :)04:54
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cypher1_bddebian: sorry i am too confused with the tomorrow's deadline..if the merges are not uploaded by tomorrow does that mean feisty herd 2 or feisty will not have the merge ?04:56
gpocentekhum, does this mean something to someone: "Error: Package: and Architecture: do not alternate in debian/control" ?04:56
gpocentek(http://librarian.launchpad.net/5490699/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.sim_0.9.4.1%7E2-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz)04:56
tepsipakkiI have checkinstall merge ready04:59
tepsipakkistevenk seems to be asleep04:59
bddebiancypher1: We are all confused :)05:00
tepsipakkibddebian: hi, I was looking at merging beneath-a-steel-sky a while ago. seems straightforward to do, only the .desktop-file remains as diff05:01
tepsipakkiand filed a bug on debian05:02
tepsipakkiwith a link to the patch05:02
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herzidholbach: ping05:02
tepsipakkisame for survex05:03
dholbachherzi: pong05:03
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herzidholbach: i just wanted to bug you about the library... :-)05:04
dholbachthat's nice of you :)05:05
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SlimGdoes anyone have a link to a good "howto create a man page" tutorial05:13
bddebianapt-get install help2man ;-)05:14
bddebiantepsipakki: Sounds good, thanks05:14
SlimGbddebian: thought you were joking, but I see there's actually a help2man :) hehe05:16
SlimGbddebian: thanx!05:16
tepsipakkibddebian: perhaps they could be merged now and synced later when debian adds the .desktop-files05:16
tepsipakkibddebian: I'll do that now05:16
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tepsipakkihttp://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/ubuntu/checkinstall_1.6.1-1ubuntu1.dsc05:28
tepsipakkithere, any sponsors available?-)05:28
tepsipakkisource.changes in the same directory05:30
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ScottKI've just made another upload of pyspf http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3833 that corrects all the lintian errors.  There are warnings that remain.  I'd appreciate advice on if they are sigificant or how to fix them.05:40
Adri2000tepsipakki: the .changes is not needed, since the sponsor will recreate it with his own gpg key (authorized to upload), and if you were motu (authorized to upload with your gpg key), it would dangerous because every one could upload the package with the signed .changes05:41
Adri2000s/would dangerous/would be dangerous/05:42
tepsipakkiis that URL enough now, or should I file bugs etc?05:43
Adri2000tepsipakki: it's enough if a motu wants to upload it now05:43
tepsipakkiok05:43
tepsipakkihttp://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/ubuntu/beneath-a-steel-sky_0.0372-3ubuntu1.dsc05:44
tepsipakkihttp://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/ubuntu/survex_1.0.39-1ubuntu1.dsc05:44
tepsipakkib-a-s-s is without the orig.tar.gz since it is too big..05:44
tepsipakkiI have to run, but if there are problems with those, let me know ->05:45
Adri2000tepsipakki: for merges I usually provide only a debdiff between the last debian version and the merged version, I don't know what motu prefer05:45
Adri2000ScottK: the package was in debian ?05:46
bddebiantepsipakki: I'm checking checkinstall now05:47
tepsipakkiI'll add debdiff's to the same dir now05:47
Adri2000ScottK: ok, it's just a new upstream release05:47
Adri2000ScottK: "* the version should be 2.0.1-0ubuntu1 "05:48
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tepsipakkibddebian: hrm, there are some po-changes in checkinstall05:50
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tepsipakkiI don't know how to handle them05:50
tepsipakkibut debdiffs in place, seeya ->05:50
ScottKOK.  I'll put the version back to 2.0.1-0ubuntu1.05:50
ScottKAny other suggestions?05:51
Adri2000yes05:51
Adri2000"* Non-maintainer update - NMU" < NMU is only for debian05:51
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ScottKOK.  I'll take that out too.05:52
Adri2000ScottK: so you can remove this line, and don't care of the lintian warning05:52
ScottKThanks.05:52
Adri2000python, python-dev, python-all-dev < I believe you have to choose between one of these depencies05:53
Adri2000dependencies*05:53
ScottKOK.05:53
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Adri2000huhu... "between one of these dependencies" means nothing, but you have understood :p05:56
Adri2000I would say the right one is python-all-dev05:57
ScottKThanks.  I just looked and you are right.  python-all-dev had both python and python-dev in it.05:57
ScottKI've got those changes made.05:58
neutrinomasscan somebody please take a look at bug 70367 ? It includes a patch for gdk-imlib that fixes bugs in other programs as well 05:58
UbugtuMalone bug 70367 in imlib "imlib1 does not correctly handle 32-bit visuals" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/7036705:58
ScottKAnything else?05:58
ScottKIf not, I'll build it again and upload it...05:59
Adri2000you can :)05:59
ScottKThanks.06:00
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dholbachso how's the REVU day looking up until now?06:13
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bddebiandholbach: You tell us.. ;-P06:15
dholbachwell, *I*'d like to know :-)06:16
bddebianI've been trying but failing miserably as usual :)06:17
bddebianGah, I hate this debdiff crap for merges.  Do any of you actually use these?06:18
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ScottKAdri2000 - Thanks again.  The revised (again) pyspf is uploaded - http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3837 - I'd appreciate another look when you have a moment.06:22
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Adri2000ScottK: hmm your changelog has a problem, a blank line is missing before the name and date line, did you manage to build the package with such a changelog ?06:29
ScottKI did.06:30
ScottKI'll go fix that.06:30
ScottKSorry for the trivial disturbance.06:31
ScottKBe back in a few...06:31
Adri2000ScottK: and after that you need to find a motu to comment on revu ;)06:32
dholbachbddebian: no, not a policy, although I think that everybody's happier if we don't have to merge them every time06:32
ScottKThanks again for the help.06:32
bddebiandholbach: I mean like: Bug #4736106:33
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UbugtuMalone bug 47361 in grpn "grpn ships no .desktop" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4736106:33
bddebianReject them?  Push upstream, what?06:33
dholbachit's the same as with every other fix06:34
bddebianHow so?06:36
rmjbHello all06:37
bddebianHello rmjb06:38
rmjbso far I've been doing merges where I iron out diffs in files in the debian directory06:38
rmjbbut there are other kinds that I pass over06:38
rmjbone is this: http://merges.ubuntu.com/a/afbinit/REPORT06:38
rmjbdo I just test that the package builds and request a merge?06:38
rmjbhey bddebian06:39
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bddebianrmjb: I would say not.  There may be code changes that you drop that the package will still build but will be "wrong"06:40
bddebianHeya LaserJock06:40
LaserJockhi06:40
LaserJockhas REVU day started?06:40
rmjbso I need to.. look at the old ubuntu package, the new debian package and the patch file mentioned in the report before I make a decision?06:40
bddebianLaserJock: Was it today or tomorrow?06:41
bddebianrmjb: Yes06:41
Adri2000LaserJock: dayS, yes :)06:41
rmjbanother question, the merge deadline that's today, that's for uni/muliverse also?06:41
LaserJockok, I had a suggestion06:42
LaserJockwe need to track how many packages we actually upload during the REVU days06:42
LaserJockso what if the MOTUs emailed the list after the uploaded a package?06:42
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ScottKpysfp is updated - http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3838 - I believe it is ready for a MOTU REVU...06:44
ScottKpysfp/pyspf06:44
sistpoty|unihi LaserJock06:45
LaserJocksistpoty|uni: hi06:45
rmjbwhat I'm asking is... should I rush to do merges now since the deadline is in about 6 hours, or should I work on my packages for REVU?06:45
rmjb... or do my christmas cleaning :(06:46
LaserJockthe deadline for merges doesn't apply for Universe06:46
LaserJocksistpoty|uni: what do you think about my idea?06:47
rmjbLaserJock: thanks06:47
Burgworkimbrandon: we seem to be missing each other. Around right now?06:47
sistpoty|uniLaserJock: have been thinking about that as well...06:47
sistpoty|uniLaserJock: sounds good :)06:47
sistpoty|uniLaserJock: maybe we could make a merge sprint somewhen after revu days :)06:48
LaserJockwell, it's the only thing I could thing of at the time, it would really tough to go through the NEW queue and figure it out afterwards06:48
LaserJock*would be06:48
Adri2000anyone to upload a small merge?06:48
LaserJockI'm going to track REVU updates and comments via email06:49
LaserJockbut the important stat is actual uploads06:49
sistpoty|uniLaserJock: cool, thx!06:49
sistpoty|unibddebian: please review all packages :P06:49
bddebianSure, have that done in an hour or so ;-P06:51
sistpoty|unihehe06:52
Adri2000merge upload...? no one?06:52
sistpoty|unisorry /me can't upload from university06:52
bddebianAdri2000: Where?06:53
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Adri2000bddebian: http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/toupload/debian-reference_1.09-4ubuntu1.debdiff debdiff from 1.09-4 and I'm building the package right now06:54
Adri2000bddebian: I hope you haven't upload it yet, FTBFS :)06:57
Adri2000uploaded06:57
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bddebianHaven't even looked at it yet :)06:57
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cypherbiosPlease, I need someone to take an look at my simple package... If someone can leave some comment, I'll be grateful -http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3748-06:59
cypherbioshttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3748 :)06:59
palskiCould somebody take a look at bug #65274, gnome-hearts should be re-merged from debian, without it gnome-hearts is completely useless07:00
UbugtuMalone bug 65274 in gnome-hearts "Hearts crashes on startup" [High,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6527407:00
bddebianOK damnit, so what's the priority today, Merges, Bugs, or REVU?  And don't say All Of The Above ;-P07:03
rmjbbddebian: that was my question :)07:04
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Adri2000bddebian: heh... debian-reference needs a new B-D, and this B-D FailedTBFS...07:09
Adri2000https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/27465707:09
Adri2000hmm, seems to be a buildd issue07:11
Adri2000any opinion?07:11
Adri2000"Build killed with signal 15 after 150 minutes of inactivity"07:12
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No1VikingI want to update BIOS in my computer and need to make a startdisk for it. How do I do that?07:17
Q-FUNKwould anyone happen to know the right gconftools-2 stanza to change the global GTK2 default theme?07:17
bddebianAdri2000: No clue here, sorry07:18
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sistpoty|unicya later07:29
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BurgworkCUPs development is lead by fucking monkeys07:43
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Burgworkhttp://www.cups.org/str.php?L186907:43
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LaserJockBurgwork: I have no idea what that means07:45
Burgworkbasically, the cups developer is telling a user that they are not going to make CUPS print buggy documents07:46
Burgworka "bend over and take it" statement07:46
bddebianhehe07:46
Burgworkand this just bit one of our larger customers and now I get to tell them that "sorry, there is nothing we can do"07:47
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imbrandonBurgwork, pong07:49
imbrandonheh07:49
Burgworkimbrandon: can I play with your ebox setup?07:50
imbrandonahh yea , lemme turn back on the vm, one sec07:50
imbrandon:)07:50
imbrandonugh07:57
imbrandonone minute07:57
rmjbI've created 3 .install files in my debian directory, one for the binary and 2 for the library (1 is a -dev)07:59
rmjbI07:59
rmjbI'm using cdbs, but it complains:07:59
rmjbdh_install -peasypmp  08:00
rmjbcp: cannot stat `./usr/bin': No such file or directory08:00
rmjbdo I have to indicate it's using debian/tmp?08:00
LaserJockare you sure it's trying to install it to the right place?08:01
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LaserJocklike does DESTDIR need to be set or something08:02
rmjbwell... I had the source pkg build one binary pkg and dholbach advised I split it out, so i've been referenceing the old binary package when writing my .install files08:02
rmjbI don't know about DESTDIR08:02
rmjbokay from the build log it seems to be building in debian/tmp, from what i've been reading if debian/compat is 5 it should build in debian/<package> ?08:04
LaserJockrmjb: it built find before the split?08:04
rmjbit seems so the error happens at the very end08:05
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rmjband yes, before I created the .install files and added new sections to debian/control it built fine08:07
LaserJockrmjb: so before you split the packages there was no problem08:07
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LaserJockok08:07
LaserJockand what about debian/dirs08:07
LaserJockis that all good? I suppose so08:07
tepsipakkibddebian: thanks for uploading b-a-s-s and checkinstall :)08:07
rmjbnot there08:07
bddebiantepsipakki: NP08:08
rmjbls debian/08:08
rmjbchangelog  control    easypmp.install     libpmp.install08:08
rmjbcompat     copyright  libpmp-dev.install  rules08:08
LaserJockrmjb: have you looked at another CDBS package that is split, perhaps a KDE package08:08
rmjbanyone know of one? I'd be happy to08:08
LaserJockI don't know CDBS well enough to know how it handles multiple binaries08:08
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rmjbimbrandon: know of any multi-binary source packages that use cdbs?08:09
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Lurermjb: kde-guidance08:10
Lurermjb: kde-guidance-powermanager was additional binary package added for edgy08:10
rmjbthanks LaserJock, will take a look and learn08:11
Lurermjb: it is python, so it might not be best example08:11
rmjbI mean Lure :P08:11
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imbrandonrmjb, amarok does ( dunno if thtas a good example )08:12
bddebianamarok is a pig :)08:12
imbrandonhehe08:12
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kallewoofNoone up for reviewing? *headscratch* I hate bugging people like this, but oh well. I'll ask again tomorrow. :P08:17
bddebiankallewoof: We're trying08:17
kallewoofbddebian: I fully understand, and in no way insinuate that you're doing a poor job at it. I just hate bugging people. It's a weakness, one might say. :)08:18
bddebiankallewoof: No, it's OK, we should be doing better at keeping up with REVU :-(08:19
rmjbis there a way to build a package in a more interactive manner than to just hand the dsc over to pbuilder? I'm thinking this may help in a LOT of situations08:20
LaserJockrmjb: well, you can make a temp copy and run each rule in debian/rules manually08:22
LaserJockbut you need the build deps so you might want to do it in a chroot or something08:22
imbrandonyea chroot + normal debuild , would be thew most interactive08:22
imbrandons/thew/the/08:23
kallewoofbddebian: If I had any idea what I'm doing, I might try to join and help out. :) Perhaps once I do I'll look into it.08:24
imbrandoncory, i cant seem to get a ebox login past the firewall, i'm gonna have go IM one of the guys in implmentations to poke me a hole in the corp firewall08:24
imbrandonBurgwork, ^^08:24
imbrandongive me just a few08:24
Burgworkimbrandon: sounds good08:24
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plugwashisn't the normal/easy way to build a package to use dpkg-source to extract it and then change to the extracted dir and run dpkg-buildpackage?08:32
plugwashi thought pbuilder was primerally for making a final test that you haven't missed any deps before handing it to the autobuilders08:33
LaserJockplugwash: I never build with dpkg-buildpackage08:36
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LaserJockit tends to leave build cruft in your source tree and you have to have the build deps08:36
LaserJockI use pbuilder for every build08:37
LaserJockbut maybe that's just me08:37
imbrandonplugwash, not really that measn you have to install alot of build deps08:37
imbrandonLaserJock, as do i08:37
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LaserJocknaughty boy08:37
LaserJock;-)08:38
bddebian:)08:38
plugwashisn't pbuilder quite a slow method of building?08:38
LaserJockplugwash: not really if you have a decent machine08:38
LaserJockon a good machine it takes 5-10 sec. to unpack the tarball08:38
rmjbto test small changes to a package pbuilder is a little inconvinient08:39
bddebianplugwash: It is if you keep having to test small changes.  pbuild fail, make change, build, pbuild, rinse, repeat ;-P08:39
rmjbespecially ones that have to install over 10 build-deps every time08:39
LaserJockthen installing the build deps takes a bit, but it does have an apt cahce08:39
imbrandonto install 1000 build deps for a package i will never build again for 3 months is also rmjb 08:39
imbrandon:)08:39
LaserJockwell, I do it all the time08:39
LaserJockbut that's me I guess08:40
LaserJockmaybe that's why I'm so slow :-)08:40
rmjbpbuilder is how I've been doing it till now... but I want something more flexable08:40
imbrandonchroot 08:40
LaserJocksbuild+LVM snapshot is supposed to be the best08:40
imbrandonand full debuild08:40
rmjbthe dpkg-buildpackage looks promising, and chroot08:40
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imbrandons/dpkg-buildpackage/debuild/ :)08:41
plugwashimbrandon well yeah i guess pbuilder could make more sense for motu type work rather than primary package maintaince work08:41
LaserJockI don't like having to keep up with a chroot08:41
LaserJockI just use pbuilder to keep things clean08:42
LaserJockit's so easy to set up and maintain08:42
LaserJocksaves space08:42
LaserJocketc.08:42
jdongwhat's the difference between using debuild and dpkg-buildpackage?08:42
jdongthe net result looks pretty identical to my untrained eyes ;-)08:43
LaserJockdebuild is just a wrapper08:43
imbrandonresult is the same, just longer to get there 08:43
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LaserJockit *is* dpkg-buildpackage08:43
bddebianThey are pretty much the same08:43
LaserJockit's just dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot08:43
imbrandonright ,less typing08:43
LaserJockand I think it adds lintian and/or signing08:43
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imbrandonsigning08:44
imbrandonunless -us -uc08:44
LaserJockI don't use dpkg-buildpackage either (debuild -S FTW) :-)08:44
imbrandon:)08:44
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imbrandondebuild -S -sd or debuild -S or debuild -S -sa08:44
imbrandondepending on what i'm doing08:44
rmjbdebuild does not work well with gpg agents08:44
rmjbI rather plain dpkg-buildpackage08:45
imbrandonrmjb, works fine with gpg-agent08:45
imbrandoni use it almost daily08:45
LaserJockI've never had a problem with it either08:45
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rmjbwhen I use dpkg-bu... I get a nice seahorse window for my passphrase and it caches it for 5 mins08:46
rmjbhandy for the 2nd signing08:46
LaserJockhmm, I don't use a gpg-agent so I guess that's why I dont' have a problem with it :-)08:46
rmjbwhen I use debuild it fails after asking for my passphrase... I always have to remove the use-agent line from gpg.conf08:46
imbrandonrmjb, i would file a bug, it should work perfectly08:47
imbrandoninfact its the same thing08:47
imbrandondebuild just fills in some flags so you dont have to type them every time08:47
rmjbI was told it was a known bug... I think jdong was telling me it's because dpkg-bui... runs as me and can connect to my agent but debuild runs as root...08:47
rmjbor something along those lines08:47
imbrandoni dont run debuild as root, but then again i dont sudo apt-get source .... like alot of people sooo08:48
LaserJockbah08:48
rmjbI just apt-get source too... no sudo08:48
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imbrandonyour messing with a strange animal then if something is runnign as root, nothing i run in the build process is run as root08:49
imbrandon( except inside the pbuilder )08:49
bddebianDamn, I lost my sessions.  Can someone compare versions 1.0.39ubuntu1 and 1.0.39-1ubuntu1 for me quick?08:49
plugwashimbrandon afaict root in a chroot is still root and pbuilder is just a chroot wrapper08:50
imbrandonbrandon@voyager:~$ dpkg --compare-versions 1.0.39ubuntu1 gt 1.0.39-1ubuntu1 && echo yes08:51
imbrandonyes08:51
imbrandonbddebian, ^^08:51
imbrandonbrandon@voyager:~$08:51
imbrandonplugwash, i know08:51
bddebianDamn I was afraid of that, thanks imbrandon08:51
imbrandoni mean uptill that point08:51
imbrandonanyhow brb08:51
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jdongrmjb: it's because debuild runs debsign/gpg as fakeroot08:58
rmjbri-ight... that's what you said08:58
jdongand thus gpg can't authenticate to the agent running as your user08:59
LaserJockjdong: do you know if a bug is filed in Debian for that?08:59
jdongLaserJock: I filed one in GNATS upstream08:59
jdongfor gnupg08:59
jdongit's been fixed in the latest gnupg releases08:59
jdongwhich is the version in Feisty08:59
LaserJockoh, it's a gnupg issue09:00
jdongright09:00
jdonga LOG_WARNING was a LOG_ERROR09:00
jdongwhich caused a non-zero retcode09:00
LaserJockah09:00
ajmitchmorning09:02
LaserJockhi ajmitch 09:02
bddebianHeya ajmitch09:02
rmjbg'morning ajmitch09:03
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keescookimbrandon: what's the origin of your system's "voyager" name?09:16
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LaserJockkeescook: he's a Trekie ;-)09:19
jdongkeescook: star trek, I'd expect09:19
jdongmy neighbor has all trek names for his computers and users09:20
bddebianOr maybe a NASA freak :)09:20
jdongand ESSID's09:20
jdongit's freakin annoying trying to use his computers ;-)09:20
keescookI was figuring either Trek or NASA; both are cool.09:20
keescookI'm such a Voyager geek; I've actually got a voyager graphic novel on my livingroom table ATM.  :P09:20
jdong:)09:21
jdongand wow, look at that, x264 in 64-bit actually does encode a tad faster than 32-bit :D09:21
jdongthat's a first ;-)09:21
siretartheyho, jdong and keescook 09:35
jdonggreetings, siretart09:35
keescookhiya siretart09:35
siretartkeescook: say, are you stand-in for pitti regarding promotions for main?09:36
jdongwhy do I feel a -security vs -backports thing coming on?09:36
jdonglol09:36
keescooksiretart: I haven't officially done any MIRs yet, but I'd be happy to look stuff over09:36
chantrahi guys09:36
chantrahow should I asked to a newer upstream release to be integrated to feisty09:37
chantrathe actual debian unstable been lower09:37
chantraI've repack the newer version and I've the debdiff ready09:37
LaserJockpackage it and get a MOTU to sponsor the upload09:37
chantracheers LaserJock 09:38
chantragonna do this staight away09:38
chantraand how could I make it integrated back into debian unstable?09:38
chantrashall I just send an email to the maintenar?09:38
siretartchantra: are you willing to take over responsibility for the package in debian?09:39
chantrasiretart: not really, don't have a running debian at the moment09:39
chantrabut I'm willing to ease debian maintener job though :)09:40
siretartchantra: then the first step is finding someone who is willing to do09:40
LaserJockchantra: I'd just send a patch to the maintainer09:40
chantraLaserJock: doesn't debdiff behave as a patch?09:41
LaserJockyeah, although with new upstream releases a debdiff isn't as nice as a patch to debian/09:41
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chantraokie dokie, gonna patch it09:43
siretartkeescook: if you have some spare time, it would be great if you could have a short look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionFFmpeg and tell me if I've forgotten something obvious or important09:44
siretartso that we don't loose more time than necessary09:44
keescooksiretart: sure, I'll take a look09:45
siretartthanks!09:45
cypher1ogra, hi are you there ?09:47
LaserJockhe's in a meeting at the moment09:48
cypher1LaserJock, ok thanks.. any idea when he will be expected back09:48
keescooksiretart: I don't see any technical problems with the MIR; I'd echo jdong's worries though.  I suspect ffmpeg's MIR will rest more on legal than technical grounds.  :(09:48
LaserJockwell, he's sort of around if it's urgent09:48
LaserJockbut I think he has another meeting after the current one09:48
LaserJockso perhaps email might be better09:49
jdongyeah, I really really really wish that ffmpeg in its current state can be default on Ubuntu :)09:49
jdongbut looking around at the other North American distros09:49
cypher1LaserJock, no problem i can check with him later so i will mail or wait for him to free.. thank you :)09:49
jdongour current policy is already very very generous to patented technology09:49
ScottKI'm new here.  Is the standard approach to request REVU once and then wait (assuming people read the scrollback) or to ask periodically (what's considered rude)?09:49
siretartkeescook: well, it blocks xine-lib09:52
keescooksiretart: yeah, I totally understand.09:53
siretartkeescook: who can I poke about the legal stuff?09:53
siretartobviously not the TB :/09:53
keescookI'm actually not sure; I'd ask pitti first09:53
LaserJocksiretart: debian-legal09:54
LaserJock;-)09:54
keescookheh09:54
siretartLaserJock: it is good enough for debian/main, so why not for ubuntu/main?09:54
LaserJockScottK: well, dont poke too often. but if nobody responds for some time I suppose it's ok09:54
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ScottKhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=383809:55
LaserJockI think I need to write another email about REVU Day09:55
bddebianLaserJock: Hey, you're a python wiz now, fix diacanavas2 for me will ya? :)09:55
LaserJockumm, let me think ...... no09:56
bddebian:'-(09:56
bddebianI get no love anymoer09:57
bddebiananymore even..09:57
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siretart:)09:57
bddebian:-)09:57
LaserJockbddebian: sorry dude, this is the last day I have to get research done and get ready for Christmas vacation09:58
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sistpotyhi folks09:59
bddebianHeya sistpoty09:59
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sistpotyhi bddebian: 10:00
sistpotyhi siretart10:00
sistpotywhere's the q&a-session to take place? #ubuntu-classroom or #ubuntu-motu-school?10:00
sistpoty-classroom, ah...10:01
sistpotyeveryone who'd also like to help out with the q&a-session please join #ubuntu-classroom, thanks.10:01
bddebianWhat's the q&a session about?10:02
sistpotybddebian: people ask questions, we give answers ;)10:02
bddebianGahh..  What kind of questions10:02
sistpotyI don't know... *g*10:03
sistpotyI guess packaging related10:03
jdonglike, when will my backports be processed?10:03
jdong;-)10:03
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sistpotyhehe10:03
siretartlike 'when will my package finally be revu'ed'?10:03
siretart:)10:03
bddebianheh10:03
jdongyeah10:03
jdongwhen will binary NEW be cleared?10:03
jdongwhen will Azureus be fixed?10:03
sistpotyplease ask on -classroom... :P10:03
jdong*cough* Fujitsu *cough*10:04
bddebianHmm, maybe I should ask if anyone besides sistpoty is going to look at libparagui? ;-P10:04
sistpotyhehe10:04
bddebianGah, didn't someone already do coolmail?10:06
sistpotydholbach did to motu-ml10:06
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LaserJockanybody get my second email to -motu?10:22
ajmitchLaserJock: about what?10:23
ajmitchhandling revu day requests?10:23
LaserJockyeah10:23
LaserJockI assume that's a yes10:23
sebesthello, i'm looking for someone to review my package, it's missing one vote10:23
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sebestit's innotop (a great tool to monitor mysql server from cli) , if someone is interested: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=383410:24
ajmitchsounds useful10:24
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bhaleugh10:25
ajmitchhello bhale 10:25
bhalehey there10:25
sebestajmitch: http://xaprb.com/blog/2006/07/02/innotop-mysql-innodb-monitor/ ;)10:25
sistpotyhi bhale10:25
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Adri2000LaserJock: what's the url of the webpages with a lot of infos on the packages? I don't remember...10:32
Adri2000ah should be http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/10:33
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geserAdri2000: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motutodo/universe.html10:35
Adri2000ah yeah, who wrote this tool?10:35
geserand http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motutodo/multiverse.html10:35
LaserJockAdri2000: lucas wrote multidistrotools, which we've patched slightly10:35
LaserJockAdri2000: and I wrote some stuff to put it all together, etc.10:35
Adri2000ok10:36
lucasLaserJock: there's a pkg-multidistrotools project on alioth10:39
lucasplease join if you are interested in working on this stuff10:39
LaserJockah, cool10:40
LaserJockFujitsu patched it to show difference between outdated and outdated with local changes10:41
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lucasah nice10:55
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LaserJockajmitch: ping10:59
sistpotyajmitch: btw.: I do have some ideas about how the motu council to make new motus10:59
sistpotyajmitch: s.th. like small tasks for the applicant, like review a package or answer a few simple packaging related questions... nothing to tough so11:00
ajmitchLaserJock: yessir?11:00
LaserJockajmitch: did you happen to upload that SRU for me?11:00
ajmitchno, I didn't11:00
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sistpotyajmitch: which could then form an opinion about technical skills... and then there would be community skills, pretty much determined by what's there in the spec already11:00
ajmitchI happened to have some apt-proxy weirdness at the time11:00
sistpotywhat do you think?11:00
ajmitchhi crimsun 11:00
sistpotyhi crimsun11:01
crimsunhi ajmitch, sistpoty 11:01
ajmitchsistpoty: sure, it's a good idea to set down some expectations11:01
LaserJockhi crimsun 11:01
crimsunhi LaserJock 11:01
LaserJocksistpoty: I don't think we should turn it into a obstacle course, but we should at least have some expectations11:01
crimsun(I'm at McCarran atm)11:01
LaserJockah11:02
sistpotyLaserJock: that's why I wrote nothing too tough... 11:02
ajmitchLaserJock: I'll look at uploading it now11:02
LaserJockajmitch: thanks dude11:02
LaserJockI'm leaving early tomorrow morning for vacation and want to wrap up a few things before I go11:02
sistpotyLaserJock: maybe also s.th. like "show us some packaging work which you are personally really proud of"11:02
LaserJocksistpoty: but shouldn't we already be familiar with the applicants work?11:03
sistpotyLaserJock: hm... I guess the sponsors are, but I don't know if the council can track all of the hopefules11:03
crimsunhow about having them prepare (prior) some reviews on revu?11:03
sistpotyyay, sounds like a good idea11:04
crimsun(I almost said give a revu live, but that would probably be daunting)11:04
LaserJockperhaps we could have basic application questions as a template for their wiki page11:04
ajmitchooh, live dissection11:04
LaserJockuggg,11:04
ajmitchyay, debian NM!11:04
ajmitchwe need something though11:04
sistpotycrimsun... hm.. I wouldn't really do some reviewing "live", because in many motu situation, you don't need to know everything off hand, as long as you're prudent enough to ask the right ppl.11:05
LaserJockwell, but that could be shown in a live review too11:05
LaserJockbut I think that's a little much11:05
crimsunsistpoty: right, that's why I favor a history of reviews on revu11:05
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sistpotyLaserJock: yes, but this might also be quite time consuming for the council, wouldn't it?11:06
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LaserJockok, so what if a person applies for MOTUship11:06
sistpotycrimsun: exactly11:06
LaserJockis given REVU review rights for 2 weeks11:06
LaserJockand is given whatever else we want11:06
LaserJockand then after 2 weeks the Council votes11:06
sistpotyLaserJock: sounds like a good plan11:06
crimsun2 weeks or the applicant's comfort, whichever is longer11:07
crimsunwe could cap it at a month11:07
sistpotyLaserJock: but the applicant should have been already nominated for motu-ship by a mentor/sponsor (/me reads spec fast again), so that we won't grant that to random ppll11:07
LaserJockso a MOTU would nominate a Hopeful for review11:08
sistpotyhm... or sponsor comments... I guess that should count as well11:08
LaserJockthen they have something like 2 weeks to a month to do some reviewing and undergo scrutiny11:08
sistpotyalso we should make sure that we don't create a process that will take too long ;)11:09
LaserJockthen Council votes11:09
ajmitchLaserJock: why should doing reviews be part of becoming a MOTU?11:09
LaserJockbecause I think that's where you can learn a lot about peoples knowledge11:09
sistpotyajmitch: it tells a little bit about the technical skills of the motu#?11:09
LaserJockand I think it also helps people get used to doing REVUs11:10
imbrandonhrm 11:10
sistpotyhi imbrandon11:10
imbrandoni dont like that idea11:10
imbrandonheya11:10
ajmitchfor every review they do, you're going to have to have someone watching & following up11:10
ajmitchhey imbrandon 11:10
imbrandonheya ajmitch 11:10
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imbrandonsorry guys been watching and lurking hehe11:10
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sistpotyajmitch: right... 11:10
LaserJockajmitch: well, my point would be that by the time they are nominated for MOTUship they should be pretty ok to leave alone11:10
ajmitchit raises the bar a bit for required knowledge, which isn't necessarily bad11:10
imbrandonLaserJock, exactly, maybe before but not after11:11
sistpotyhm... as written before, we really should make sure that we don't create an impassable wall or too long process to become a motu, but we could as well try to ensure a little bit technical knowledge11:11
imbrandonafter one has motu we /should/ feel confrotable giving them the keys to the archive11:11
imbrandonif not the processes is wrong, not the applicant11:11
LaserJockno, I'm saying giving them keys to REVU reviewing11:11
LaserJockwhich I think has a lower bar11:12
sistpotyimbrandon: good point11:12
crimsunI'm still thinking that anyone should be able to review on revu11:12
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LaserJockajmitch: I agree11:12
imbrandonajmitch, i agree11:12
imbrandonalso11:12
LaserJockthat's why I think it should be a part of the MOTU process11:12
sistpoty+111:12
sistpoty:)11:12
imbrandonLaserJock, not nessesarly , not every motu will revu stuff11:13
sistpotywell, I'm not that convinced any longer, whether that needs to be an essential part11:13
LaserJockI'm not convinced either way11:13
imbrandoni kinda akin that to a ham having to learn moris code if it will never be used11:13
sistpotybut I guess we should have some means to ensure the tech skills11:13
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LaserJockimbrandon: but I'm trying to MOTUs to do reviews, that's the whole point11:13
crimsunwhen an applicant goes before MC, (s)he should be able to say, I packaged this, which is in the archive now -or- I helped review on revu these packages11:13
sistpotyit could be *one* possible way for an applicant to show tech skills, out of several to pick from11:13
imbrandonyes some measn, i dont think revu is that way though imho11:13
imbrandoncrimsun, right11:14
bddebiancrimsun is back already?11:14
imbrandonheh11:14
LaserJockcrimsun: that's why I think we should give them REVU review rights, and some other stuff to do/show11:14
crimsunI'm suffering from horribly jittery wifi at McCarran Int'l Airport11:14
bddebianUgh11:14
LaserJockREVU certainly shouldn't be the *only* criterion11:15
imbrandonahh crimsun 11:15
LaserJockbut I think it could be a good one11:15
LaserJockas it would promote REVU11:15
crimsunwhat are some other tech vectors?11:15
bddebianYes, let's please get more crap in the archive for us to maintain ;-P11:15
imbrandoni'm suffering of a dual core new computer with only XP on it :(11:15
LaserJockobviously packaging from scratch is good11:15
sistpotycrimsun: maybe some tech questions to solve offline/online, review some packaging work the applicant has made11:15
sistpotyLaserJock: yes, some low-level packaging :=11:16
sistpoty:)11:16
imbrandonwell if we open revu for anyone to revu that brings up the problem of two non exprinced revuers "ok"ing something for the archive11:16
LaserJockalthough I tend to think it's easier to do then working with the many many different types of packaging we get from Debian11:16
crimsunwhat sort of tech questions, though?11:16
bddebiankernel or X packages!!! :)11:16
LaserJockimbrandon: review, not advocate11:16
imbrandonahh11:16
sistpotycrimsun: I guess we could take a look at the NM question db ;)11:16
imbrandonthen that i would like11:16
imbrandonNOOOOOOOOOOO11:16
LaserJockcrimsun: ${shlibs:Depends)! :-)11:16
crimsunthat one 11:17
imbrandonsistpoty, wash your mouth out11:17
crimsunis vaguely familiar11:17
sistpotyimbrandon: are they too tough? haven't looked at these yet 11:17
LaserJockwell, I doubt we could have a set of questions as after a few times people would just learn the answers11:17
imbrandonits not that, its the red tape, we dont want this process to become debian ( again not tooo easy though )11:17
LaserJockimbrandon: we aren't saying that11:18
sistpotyLaserJock: I'm pretty creative when it comes to inventing questions ;)11:18
imbrandonLaserJock, sistpoty, was :)11:18
LaserJockno he wasn't11:18
crimsunthe ultimate question, I think, is whether MOTU requires packaging knowledge (I think it does), which necessitates having technical questions. IOW, is there any room for an MOTU who doesn't package?11:18
imbrandonhow do you propose to have a test and not 11:18
LaserJockhe said that maybe we could look at the Debian NM question db to see what kinds of questions they use11:18
sistpotyimbrandon: no, I was saying we could look at the questions in case we can't make up some ourselves... as an inspiration11:18
sistpoty;)11:18
imbrandonsistpoty, its not the questions them selfs its the idea of having a test11:19
sistpotyhm...11:19
LaserJockcrimsun: I think a MOTU requires 3 things11:19
imbrandonimho we came up with a great process in UDS11:19
LaserJock1) Packaging knowledge11:19
LaserJock2) Process knowledge11:19
LaserJock3) Team/Social knowledge11:19
bddebianHmm, do us current morons get grandfathered in? ;-P11:20
imbrandonheh11:20
sistpoty*g*11:20
LaserJockof course, at least until you expire ;-)11:20
crimsunwell deities are obviously grandfathered11:20
imbrandonhehe11:20
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sistpotyimbrandon: actually my current idea is not so much of a "hard" test, but I don't know if I manage to get it shaped to words right now ;)11:20
LaserJockwhatever11:20
LaserJock^^ @ ajmitch 11:21
imbrandonhrm i guess my question is why not implment what was discussed at UDS? seemed mdz,keybuk,dholbach,ajmitch,me,LaserJock and a few others were in on that processes11:21
imbrandonand it seemed to work out11:21
ajmitchLaserJock: did you see that? it requires *social skills*11:21
crimsunimbrandon: is that spec'd?11:21
LaserJockyou have social skills ajmitch 11:21
imbrandoncrimsun, yes11:21
ajmitchcrimsun: of course, we've been trying to discuss it :)11:21
ajmitchhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MotuProcessesSpec11:21
crimsunk, I'll have to look later, cos this connection is nasty11:21
LaserJockimbrandon: it didn't seem like the details were worked out11:21
imbrandonLaserJock, it might have been after you left but yes many many details were11:22
imbrandonthe only thing lacking realy is a MC11:22
sistpotyimbrandon: what I dislike about it (at least how I read it), is that it's quite anonymous handled... all via email11:22
ajmitchsistpoty: how is that anonymous?11:22
imbrandonsistpoty, no its all public11:22
imbrandonvery very public11:22
LaserJocknot personal, I think is what he means11:23
imbrandonwell the first months of it are all irc etc, only the last 2 weeks are email11:23
sistpotyajmitch, imbrandon: well... hard to explain... let me try: Once I've hopefully finished my study, I get my diploma sent in via mail... and that's it11:23
sistpotythere is nothing personal in there11:23
imbrandonsistpoty, no11:23
ajmitchsistpoty: going before the MOTU council for application requires that you have someone you've been working with suggest that you go for it11:24
ajmitchan advocate, so to speak11:24
sistpotyso I'd rather have the final ack (after email-discussion and so on), done on irc, as some kind of "celebration"11:24
imbrandonsistpoty, more like you work with the faliculty and other studentds on irc for months , then when a teacher thinks you are ready he sends an email to the list saying, he this student is ready to grad11:24
LaserJockI think the spec is too vague on this point11:24
LaserJockof how the approval is supposed to go11:24
imbrandons/he/hey11:24
ajmitchraise the issues on the list, rather than on irc11:24
LaserJockit basically a TB meeting via email11:24
ajmitchsince we're just a small subset of the MOTUs11:24
LaserJocksure, but I wanted to hash some stuff out before I do so11:25
imbrandonsistpoty, irc meetings dont scale well , diffrent timezones etc11:25
crimsunI think the 'teacher' bit might become a blocker, so we ought to consider a sponsor or a quorum of the MC11:25
imbrandonplus dosent allow required input most of the time11:25
imbrandoncrimsun, the "teacher" was a sponsor11:25
crimsunright, that's what I'm saying can potentially be a blocker11:26
sistpotyimbrandon: no, it's actually only the "celebration" kind of thingy for the atmosphere... paaa, I'm really lacking the right words to describe what I mean ;)11:26
imbrandonheh11:26
LaserJocksistpoty: perhaps at the beginning of MC meetings we can acknowledge and congrat the new MOTUs11:26
imbrandonwell brb11:26
imbrandoni have to run for a while, christmass shopping, crimsun safe flight11:27
crimsunthanks11:27
ajmitchbye imbrandon :)11:27
imbrandontake care all, back in a few ghours11:27
imbrandonhours*11:27
sistpotyLaserJock: yes... that would s.th. I'm thinking of... some symbolic act of handing over the key to universe11:27
ajmitchghours? google is taking over!11:27
imbrandonheh11:27
sistpotycya imbrandon11:27
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sistpotyanyway, know I don't know what I had in mind when I started to this line of though *g*11:28
LaserJockI think we should look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers11:30
ajmitchyes, that was in mind at UDS when we started speccing11:30
imbrandoninfact that was drafted at the same time iirc11:31
LaserJockwhat I'm lacking in the MOTU spec is that there is no guidelines for evaluating those11:31
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LaserJockI know11:31
LaserJockI was there for some of it :-)11:31
imbrandonhehe11:31
ajmitchI presumed you were11:31
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LaserJockthe MOTU spec just has:11:31
LaserJockThe council will have two weeks of time to check the references and reply back.11:32
LaserJockThe applicant is encouraged to mention packages she/he maintains or specific uploads that were done quite well.11:32
LaserJock#11:32
LaserJock    *11:32
LaserJock      The Council will check Launchpad's /+packages page, talk to select team members and go with the information collected that way.11:32
LaserJock#11:32
LaserJockbah11:32
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LaserJockso we can basically evaluate some of the techincal ability via packages/debdiffs they've done in the past11:33
crimsunright, this is the TB asking for prior packaging work11:33
crimsun(historically)11:33
LaserJockexactly11:33
sistpotyhehe11:33
LaserJockthe current process for evaluation on the spec is just TB11:34
LaserJockexcept MC does it11:34
LaserJockand it's done via email11:34
LaserJockso we lose the real-time questioning11:34
LaserJock*loose11:34
crimsunwell, not necessarily11:34
crimsunthey still have to apply to the MC, no?11:35
sistpotyhehe, so we motu's "ask questions of other developers in order to expand their understanding of packaging work"... I wonder who put this there and for what he had in mind **gg*11:35
bddebianLater gang11:36
sistpotylater bddebian11:36
bddebiancrimsun: have a safe flight11:36
crimsunthanks barry11:36
ajmitchbye bddebian 11:36
LaserJockwell, their application to the MC is an email11:37
LaserJockIf we had a template with questions we could at least get some, although I think at some point there should be some live questioning11:38
crimsunbut the applicant doesn't have to appear live in front of the MC?11:38
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LaserJockcrimsun: not that I see11:38
LaserJockfrom my reading of the spec the entire process of MOTUship is done via email11:38
LaserJockfrom the applicant sending an application email to the MC sending the TB the results for final approval11:39
sistpotyyes...11:39
LaserJockI tend to think there should be some IRC discussion somewhere along the line11:40
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LaserJockeven if it was a one-on-one interview with a MC member11:40
LaserJockthat then makes a recommendation11:40
crimsunI would think that'd happen at MC11:40
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LaserJockcrimsun: not according to the spec11:41
sistpotyLaserJock +1... even if it might not be the most *efficient* way of handling this11:41
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sistpotybut it has some symbolic character... it's just some nice thingy11:41
sistpotyofftopic: did anyone answer Marc Hauswirth (revu keyring addition) yet?11:42
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sistpotySp4rKy: still here?12:03
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siretartgnight folks12:05
ianm_hi all, I'm a software author looking to get a couple GPL apps packaged and available in Ubuntu12:05
sistpotygn8 siretart12:05
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sistpotyhi ianm_: would you like to do the packaging yourself, or should someone else do it?12:06
ianm_I would like someone else to, as I know nothing about it12:06
goukiThis may not be the best place, but ... I started playing with irssistats and made a temporary pages for #ubuntu (ubuntustats.homelinux.org). I was told that this was being done by official ubuntu members, anyone knows something about it?12:07
ianm_the two apps are http://gnomecoder.wordpress.com/screenruler/  and  http://gnomecoder.wordpress.com/chessclock/12:07
ianm_both depend on Ruby and the Ruby bindings for GTK, Glade and (the ruler only) Cairo, and work with the packages now in the repo12:08
sistpotyianm_: ok... can you put them to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates please?12:08
ianm_ok12:09
sistpotythanks12:09
gouki???12:09
ianm_sistpoty: is that it?  then just hope someone sees it who wants to package it?12:09
sistpotyianm_: yes... of course pinging around here also helps ;)12:09
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sistpotygouki: sorry, no real idea who's responsible there12:10
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bhalefabbione runes the irc logs12:11
crimsunand Seveas may know/do stuff with #ubuntu stats12:11
goukiI was told that tonyyarusso was working on something similiar, and I should coordinate with him ... Can't reach him!12:11
Burgworkbhale: is that ruins?12:11
bhaleBurgwork: yes12:12
bhaleruns12:12
Seveasubugtu does number-of-users stats12:12

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