=== lamont` [i=lamont@nat/hp/x-f4fcab3cd8b89135] has joined #ubuntu-ports [01:02] fabbione: around? [04:47] Dvalin: i am now so to speak [05:50] still? [05:51] fabbione: what's the status of gcc 4.1.2 & kernel on sparc at your camp? [05:51] Dvalin: gcc dunno.. what's in the archive... [05:52] kernel we are going for .20 + some patches [05:53] okay, using 4.1 is no good for kernel it seems here [05:53] 4.0 works fine [05:53] :/ [05:53] so I blame the compiler [05:53] the one we are using is good [05:53] i am booting those kernels [05:58] compiled with gcc 4.1.2? [05:58] mine will only boot without display [05:59] but then again [05:59] other hardware etc. too === lamont [i=lamont@nat/hp/x-afe4774a333de41d] has joined #ubuntu-ports [06:24] Dvalin: compiled with whatever we have in the archive now [06:25] okay [06:25] which kernel version was that again? [06:26] .19 and .20-rc... [06:26] okay [06:38] I'll go ahead and try one of those then :) [06:39] btw. why is sparc not visible on packages.ubuntu.com? [06:40] no idea [06:40] i did never used packages.u.c [06:40] okay [06:40] file a bug :) [06:40] nah [06:41] I'm just asking out of curiousity, couldn't care less for myself ;) [06:42] btw. there's one thing that puzzles me, why isn't different archs reported on sparc? eg. like sparcv8, sparcv9 etc. as i586, i686 etc. on intel? [06:42] uhm? [06:43] eg. by 'arch' [06:43] yeah but where.. [06:43] uhm, in general? by kernel?`:) [06:45] you make no sense [06:45] where do you want to read that information? [06:45] hmhm [06:45] proc/cpuinfo? uname -a ? [06:46] uname -m for an instance [06:46] because you don't need it [06:46] the kernel is either 32 or 64 bit. all optimizations are autodetected and turned on at boot [06:47] so there is no point for userland to know [06:48] and you can still see the hw cap via glibc [06:48] why is there less of a need for it than on x86? [06:49] I'd still say there is a use for userland to know, eg. when building stuff..? [06:49] fabbione@rainy:~$ LD_SHOW_AUXV=1 /lib/libc.so.6 --version | grep AT_HWCAP [06:49] AT_HWCAP: flush stbar swap muldiv v9 v9v [06:49] no there is no need to know.. how build needs to know what's doing [06:50] all these extra automatic features have been proven to be a real disaster [06:50] oh? [06:58] when you autodetect something at build time and thenD you distribute a precompiled binary on a machine that does not have that feature it's BA [06:58] BAD [06:58] yeah, but that's why you specify the arch of binary ;p [07:06] Dvalin: that's also why stuff works for us but not for you [08:15] uh [08:15] I don't see the relevance of that [08:17] actually, AFAIK you build for sparcv8 by default without packages saying anything about it NOT being compatible with sparcv7 which just 'sparc' usually implies ;p