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| KatteKrab | howdy peoples | 12:54 |
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| KatteKrab | RichEd: ping? | 12:55 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 02:39 |
| freet15 | Hi | 02:54 |
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| BHSPitLappy | hi, all | 04:16 |
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| cbx33 | mornin all | 08:55 |
| cbx33 | hey willvdl | 08:55 |
| cbx33 | anything intersting in the meting after I left? | 08:55 |
| BHSPitLappy | yo | 09:03 |
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| cbx33 | hey peeps | 10:20 |
| highvoltage | hey peep | 10:22 |
| cbx33 | hi highvoltage | 10:23 |
| cbx33 | howz it going | 10:23 |
| highvoltage | going well thanks | 10:24 |
| highvoltage | I have a lot to do but I'm having trouble getting out of bed :) | 10:25 |
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| highvoltage | need to get my passport sorted out, hair cut, among other semi-pointless things. but I think I'll do that tomorrow. | 10:25 |
| highvoltage | been bugsquashing this morning, much more fun :) | 10:25 |
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| cbx33 | heheeh | 10:30 |
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| kgoetz | can i ask ubuntu ltsp questions here? i'm not getting much luck with #ltsp | 11:01 |
| cbx33 | sure | 11:01 |
| cbx33 | fire away | 11:01 |
| kgoetz | my LTSP client (dapper based) is getting to "* Loading hardware drivers..." then just says "nfs: | 11:02 |
| kgoetz | server 192.168.0.2 not responding, still trying" after a few minutes (and keeps repeating the nfs error). | 11:02 |
| kgoetz | any thoughts? :( | 11:02 |
| cbx33 | sounds as if it's telling the truth ;) | 11:02 |
| cbx33 | have you confirm the nfs is exported ok? | 11:02 |
| kgoetz | how can i confirm it? it used to work ok :\ | 11:04 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 11:04 |
| cbx33 | well do you know how to mount an nfs share manually | 11:04 |
| kgoetz | no :\ | 11:04 |
| cbx33 | ok....do you have another machine on the network? | 11:04 |
| cbx33 | hang on two secs | 11:05 |
| kgoetz | i can grab another laptop to plug in. brb. | 11:05 |
| cbx33 | hanve you tried restarting the nfs server? | 11:06 |
| kgoetz | yes, both the service and the system its on | 11:06 |
| cbx33 | ok | 11:07 |
| cbx33 | i can't remember the syntax exactly and I don;t have an nfs share anywhere handy to test | 11:07 |
| cbx33 | it's something like | 11:07 |
| cbx33 | mount -t nfs 182.23.45.23:/path/to/nfs /mnt/directory | 11:08 |
| cbx33 | try that | 11:08 |
| kgoetz | sudo mount -t nfs 192.168.0.2:/opt/ltsp /mnt works (ls /mnt gives i386). thats on the local host untill i get the lappy booted | 11:10 |
| cbx33 | ok good | 11:10 |
| cbx33 | so the nfs works | 11:10 |
| cbx33 | what about grepping the logs to see what happens? | 11:10 |
| kgoetz | i dont see anything special in syslog, is ther another place? | 11:12 |
| kgoetz | hm. new error | 11:13 |
| kgoetz | nfs: rpc call returned error 101 <- on laptop pxe booting | 11:13 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 11:14 |
| cbx33 | are you sure the dns is working on? - I've had reverse DNS errors before | 11:14 |
| kgoetz | its an ltsp-server-standalone setup. i hope that stuff is dealt with | 11:15 |
| kgoetz | it was in my other setups :/ | 11:15 |
| cbx33 | ok | 11:15 |
| kgoetz | only difference (apart from one being a laptop,a nd one a desktop) is that the desktop is getting a static dhcp address | 11:16 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 11:16 |
| kgoetz | actually, i'm wrong | 11:16 |
| cbx33 | is the address being assigned by another dhcp server? | 11:17 |
| kgoetz | they are both in dhcp configs | 11:17 |
| kgoetz | no, its on a crossover cable | 11:17 |
| cbx33 | ahhh | 11:17 |
| cbx33 | is it communicating ok over that cable? | 11:18 |
| kgoetz | well, its pxe booting, and going fine to the nfs bmounting bit | 11:18 |
| kgoetz | * seems to be communicating fine | 11:19 |
| cbx33 | hmm.... | 11:19 |
| cbx33 | so tftp is working | 11:19 |
| cbx33 | you sure that the nfs path is being servered right from the dhcp server | 11:19 |
| kgoetz | its serving /opt/ltsp/i386, iirc correct? | 11:20 |
| cbx33 | yeh i think so | 11:21 |
| kgoetz | would the host bein outside the dhcp range cuase issues? | 11:22 |
| cbx33 | I'm not too hot on the set | 11:23 |
| cbx33 | look in | 11:23 |
| cbx33 | see what path / host range is accepted | 11:23 |
| === kgoetz hopes not :S | ||
| cbx33 | /etc/exports on the server | 11:23 |
| kgoetz | /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async) | 11:24 |
| cbx33 | ahh.... | 11:25 |
| cbx33 | does it need to be /opt/ltsp/i386 now? | 11:25 |
| cbx33 | I'm not sure tbh | 11:25 |
| kgoetz | that matches with what i have on a working production server, so i think its right :| | 11:26 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 11:27 |
| kgoetz | brb. heard thunder, making sure dogs are ok | 11:27 |
| cbx33 | have you tried googleing for the exact error message? | 11:27 |
| kgoetz | cbx33: got some tabs open atm. hadnt looked at them yet | 11:30 |
| cbx33 | ok | 11:31 |
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| cbx33 | sorry about that | 11:32 |
| kgoetz | wb | 11:32 |
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| kgoetz | i'm going to take > 1 hour to dist-upgrade :/ i might not be albe to work on this again until tomorrow :(. thanks for the help cbx33 | 11:47 |
| cbx33 | np | 11:47 |
| cbx33 | sorry i couldn't do more | 11:48 |
| kgoetz | thanks for yoru effort :) | 11:48 |
| cbx33 | let me know what happens | 11:49 |
| kgoetz | will do :) | 11:52 |
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| willvdl | highvoltage, passport? where you of to? | 12:41 |
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| cbx33 | hey all | 03:23 |
| utk | Hey, can you help me out ? | 03:26 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:41 |
| highvoltage | heya bddebian | 03:41 |
| bddebian | Hi highvoltage | 03:41 |
| highvoltage | edubuntugirl: pipedream is Jan Groenewald | 03:42 |
| edubuntugirl | highvoltage: sure thing | 03:42 |
| highvoltage | edubuntugirl: wizzy is Andy Rabagliati | 03:42 |
| edubuntugirl | highvoltage: righto | 03:42 |
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| sbalneav | ogra: Hey, vagrant tells me you've come up with a python alternative to lp_server? | 03:58 |
| cbx33 | ahhh python | 04:02 |
| pipedream | heh | 04:02 |
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| cbx33 | hey sbalneav | 04:05 |
| sbalneav | ICMP ECHO REPLY | 04:05 |
| cbx33 | howz it going? | 04:06 |
| cbx33 | have you ever done any work on the ldm glade file? | 04:06 |
| sbalneav | No! Learning glade + python is VERY high on my list of things to do! I REALLY need to learn how to do gui devel, and glad + python seems the perfect way to get into it. Got any good tutorials? | 04:07 |
| cbx33 | sbalneav, hold there 2 seconds | 04:07 |
| cbx33 | http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=183 | 04:07 |
| sbalneav | Cool! Thankx | 04:09 |
| cbx33 | hope it helps | 04:09 |
| cbx33 | had some great feeback from it | 04:09 |
| sbalneav | s/x$/s/ | 04:09 |
| cbx33 | s/x/s/ would have been sufficient no? | 04:09 |
| cbx33 | :p | 04:09 |
| sbalneav | Sure, but precision always counts :) | 04:12 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 04:12 |
| ogra | sbalneav, https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+branch/ltsp/feisty-ltsp-jetpipe | 04:13 |
| cbx33 | ogra, I'm here now if you're available for meeting? | 04:13 |
| cbx33 | or 7 if not | 04:13 |
| sbalneav | Had I said: "Cool! xylophones are sexy, thankx", yours would have not worked :) | 04:13 |
| cbx33 | sbalneav, true | 04:13 |
| ogra | sbalneav, for now it does only usb and parallel printers, is missing all kinds of error catching etc, the code does only show the principle but needs a lot fleshing out ... | 04:15 |
| cbx33 | however "Thankx that's great I'll look later thankx again would have failed too :p | 04:15 |
| ogra | cbx33, 7 is better, i'm fighting with a weird screensaver bug atm | 04:15 |
| cbx33 | heheh np | 04:15 |
| sbalneav | ogra: I need serial printers, so guess who's going to help you with this? :) | 04:15 |
| cbx33 | ogra, did you get my message about BETT? | 04:15 |
| sbalneav | fetch phase 1/4 :) | 04:16 |
| ogra | sbalneav, just look at the diff from the last revision ... that should be everything ... | 04:17 |
| ogra | cbx33, no ? | 04:17 |
| sbalneav | ogra: I think this is a great idea. solves the whole licensing issue nicely. | 04:18 |
| cbx33 | I've convinced my boss to let us take some kids up there | 04:19 |
| ogra | sbalneav, yep | 04:19 |
| sbalneav | ogra: heh, nice and simple. OK, all we need to do is pull in python.serial, and parse command line options to set up the serial port properly. | 04:22 |
| ogra | yeah | 04:22 |
| cbx33 | it's gonna be a great BETT show for edubuntu | 04:22 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 04:22 |
| ogra | i didnt know about python.serial :D ... i thought about a pipe to setserial, but found that to ugly :) | 04:23 |
| sbalneav | python.serial looks easy. It opens a file like object just like the open does, so all we'll have is just some code to select wether or not it's a "simple" device like /dev/lp... or /dev/usb/lp..., or a /dev/ttyS.... Then just do the proper open. We'll probably only add about 15 lines of code to do that. | 04:28 |
| sbalneav | I'll look at that today. | 04:28 |
| sbalneav | One comment: why don't we pull jetpipe out of the ltsp tree, and just make it a standalone package. It would be useful generally, and not just in the context of ltsp. :) | 04:29 |
| sbalneav | heh, copyright notice is longer than the code. | 04:33 |
| ogra | sure, lets make it standalone ... for now i just wanted a quick fix for feisty users so they can print ... the merge with debian wiped lp_server from our code as well and i didnt want to just re-add it | 04:35 |
| sbalneav | yeah, understood. | 04:36 |
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| sbalneav | Which one? | 04:36 |
| ogra | https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/76623 | 04:36 |
| sbalneav | Oh, that's easy. | 04:37 |
| ogra | i cant reproduce it, but half the world seems to have it | 04:37 |
| sbalneav | gconftool-2 --direct \ | 04:37 |
| sbalneav | --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory \ | 04:37 |
| sbalneav | --type string \ | 04:37 |
| sbalneav | --set /apps/gnome-screensaver/mode blank-only | 04:37 |
| sbalneav | That solves all problems with screensavers, I find :) | 04:38 |
| ogra | oh, crap, wrong bug No. | 04:38 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 04:38 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/76632 | 04:38 |
| ogra | 76623 has a patch and all, i just need to merge it ... | 04:38 |
| cbx33 | not a problem here | 04:39 |
| cbx33 | can you get soemone to do a trace on it? | 04:39 |
| ogra | there is a trace attached ... | 04:40 |
| cbx33 | oh sorry | 04:40 |
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| cbx33 | bbiab | 04:40 |
| ogra | (oh, its attached to one of the duplicates, sorry) | 04:40 |
| cbx33 | ahh | 04:41 |
| cbx33 | i thought i didn't see one there | 04:41 |
| cbx33 | any more thoughts on the gnome canvas thing? | 04:41 |
| bddebian | cbx33: Have an error message? | 04:43 |
| cbx33 | basicalyl a required catalog gnomecanvas could not be found | 04:43 |
| cbx33 | blah | 04:43 |
| bddebian | cbx33: Well that's not very helpful :) | 04:45 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 04:46 |
| cbx33 | nope | 04:46 |
| cbx33 | i got to dash | 04:46 |
| cbx33 | will look closer later | 04:46 |
| bddebian | Laterz | 04:46 |
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| cbx33 | ogra, meeting? | 08:05 |
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| ogra | gimme a minute | 08:06 |
| cbx33 | ok np | 08:06 |
| ogra | but yes | 08:06 |
| cbx33 | crimsun_, ever had it where a small mic sounds like it's got a ring mod on it? | 08:07 |
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| crimsun_ | cbx33: check your capture settings | 08:17 |
| cbx33 | ok | 08:18 |
| cbx33 | thanks crimsun_ | 08:18 |
| ogra | cbx33, oook | 08:20 |
| cbx33 | ogra, oggggg | 08:20 |
| ogra | i assume you read the SCP spec | 08:21 |
| cbx33 | yes | 08:21 |
| cbx33 | meeting here or in pm? | 08:21 |
| ogra | here is fine | 08:21 |
| ogra | so, the first and most important part is the split into front and backend | 08:21 |
| cbx33 | agreed | 08:22 |
| ogra | i'm not concerned if any of the other features need to wait until feisty+1, but we need the infrastructure for multiple server support now | 08:22 |
| ogra | so that should be the focus | 08:22 |
| cbx33 | ok | 08:22 |
| cbx33 | right ok | 08:22 |
| cbx33 | well I can split that up fairly easily | 08:22 |
| cbx33 | not a huge task really | 08:23 |
| ogra | yep | 08:23 |
| cbx33 | do you have any idea about how you want classes/functions arrangeD? | 08:23 |
| cbx33 | or shall I do what I think there? | 08:23 |
| ogra | do what you think, but i guess you need to end up with frond and backe3nd classes | 08:23 |
| ogra | *front | 08:24 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 08:24 |
| cbx33 | are we splitting into two pacakges? | 08:24 |
| ogra | hmm | 08:24 |
| ogra | good question | 08:24 |
| cbx33 | which would eventually become 3 | 08:24 |
| cbx33 | k,g,base | 08:24 |
| ogra | will it make sense to have a commandline gui, soemthing with curses ? | 08:24 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 08:24 |
| ogra | hmm, KDE, right | 08:24 |
| cbx33 | I'm not sure | 08:25 |
| ogra | yeah, then lets have a split package | 08:25 |
| cbx33 | i think it's the most sensible way to go | 08:25 |
| cbx33 | I think command line would be great | 08:25 |
| ogra | at least SCP-backend SCP-gnome | 08:25 |
| ogra | the kde part is up to others | 08:25 |
| cbx33 | I'm not saying I'm gonna write the kde frontend | 08:25 |
| cbx33 | though I think I could | 08:25 |
| ogra | python-qt shouldnt be to hard, but thats really something the KDE community can do | 08:26 |
| cbx33 | command line would be good....as I would have...if it was fully implemented here....need to have ssh access to it | 08:26 |
| cbx33 | that would be a good idea | 08:26 |
| ogra | well, commandline is defined in the spec | 08:26 |
| ogra | but not with curses ui ... | 08:26 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 08:27 |
| ogra | but i think it wouldnt make sense anyway | 08:27 |
| cbx33 | is curses tieable with python? | 08:27 |
| ogra | raw commandline is fine ... for sending messages etcv | 08:27 |
| cbx33 | ok | 08:27 |
| cbx33 | ok so the split + package split is main concern | 08:28 |
| cbx33 | now we need to look at Multiple server control | 08:28 |
| ogra | leright | 08:28 |
| ogra | -le | 08:28 |
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| cbx33 | so | 08:29 |
| cbx33 | when you say multiple servers | 08:29 |
| cbx33 | from the spec.....i see it meaning the following | 08:29 |
| cbx33 | one front end can talk to several servers | 08:29 |
| cbx33 | but only one at a time | 08:29 |
| cbx33 | am I right here? | 08:29 |
| ogra | right | 08:29 |
| ogra | in later releases we can spoil that on the UI side and make it talk to multiple servers transparently | 08:30 |
| cbx33 | do you think at some stage it would be useful to do true multiple servers? | 08:30 |
| cbx33 | yes | 08:30 |
| cbx33 | I really think SCP could be a big selling point for Edubuntu | 08:30 |
| ogra | for now one server<->one client is fine | 08:30 |
| cbx33 | ok | 08:30 |
| ogra | lets grow slowly, but with good quality ;) | 08:30 |
| cbx33 | what else on the list do you see being priority for feisty | 08:30 |
| cbx33 | if I had the time I'd work on it all day everyday | 08:31 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 08:31 |
| cbx33 | get it to be a fantastic app | 08:31 |
| cbx33 | sadly I have to goto work | 08:31 |
| ogra | well, blank/lock seems like a low hanging fruit | 08:31 |
| cbx33 | will need tie in to x11vnc? | 08:31 |
| ogra | i.e. like implementable in less than 30min | 08:31 |
| ogra | yeah, we'll need the vnc integration | 08:32 |
| cbx33 | how do you see that being implemented | 08:32 |
| cbx33 | right ok | 08:32 |
| ogra | well it was described in the former spec | 08:32 |
| cbx33 | yes it was | 08:32 |
| cbx33 | now I don;t think I'm qualified to touch x11vnc | 08:32 |
| ogra | ah, and copied over :) | 08:32 |
| cbx33 | but I would like to know what's goign on there | 08:32 |
| ogra | thats fine, i'll care for that part | 08:33 |
| cbx33 | ok... | 08:33 |
| cbx33 | if you could lemme see a diff when you're done | 08:33 |
| cbx33 | that'd be great | 08:33 |
| cbx33 | I'm keen to learn | 08:33 |
| ogra | indeed | 08:33 |
| ogra | i'll keep the work in bzr, you can diff every small change ;) | 08:33 |
| cbx33 | ok | 08:34 |
| Burgwork | breaking it out as a backend means somebody could right a frontend, or an ebox plugin, etc. | 08:34 |
| cbx33 | yes | 08:34 |
| Burgwork | a web frontend, rather | 08:34 |
| ogra | Burgwork, yep | 08:34 |
| Burgwork | ogra: have you looked at ebox? | 08:34 |
| ogra | even though i'd love to see vnc through html working first :P | 08:34 |
| cbx33 | haha | 08:34 |
| Burgwork | everybody I have seen do it uses java | 08:34 |
| cbx33 | that would be awesome..... | 08:35 |
| ogra | Burgwork, only at the website, i didnt install it | 08:35 |
| cbx33 | but.. | 08:35 |
| Burgwork | ogra: imbrandon has a setup and I am about to get one going | 08:35 |
| ogra | well, anyway, web is beyond our focus atm, but the API will be there | 08:35 |
| Burgwork | looks really interesting, is actively developed, have a number of DDs on staff | 08:35 |
| cbx33 | Burgwork, care to blog/howto about it once you're done? | 08:35 |
| Burgwork | cbx33: will do | 08:35 |
| Burgwork | it requires some hacking to run on Feisty, due to upstart | 08:35 |
| cbx33 | is something I'm keen at looking at too | 08:35 |
| cbx33 | ok | 08:35 |
| cbx33 | ogra, are we going for this pop up install x11vnc pacakge thing? | 08:36 |
| ogra | yep | 08:36 |
| cbx33 | explain why it can't be a dep? | 08:36 |
| Burgwork | can't you use vino? | 08:36 |
| ogra | because you cant install a dep inside a chroot | 08:36 |
| cbx33 | oh i see | 08:36 |
| cbx33 | yeh sorry | 08:36 |
| ogra | ;) | 08:36 |
| cbx33 | can't it be a dep for the chrrot? | 08:36 |
| cbx33 | i mean when building the chroot? | 08:37 |
| ogra | no | 08:37 |
| ogra | that would make *all* ltsp installs vnc servers | 08:37 |
| ogra | thats not what we want | 08:38 |
| cbx33 | ok | 08:38 |
| ogra | it needs to be installed dependant on SCP being installed | 08:38 |
| cbx33 | ok | 08:38 |
| ogra | what do you think about userlist filtering ? | 08:38 |
| Burgwork | ogra: have you seen http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop/FastUserSwitching | 08:38 |
| Burgwork | ? | 08:38 |
| ogra | seems easy enough to me | 08:39 |
| cbx33 | yeh i think so | 08:39 |
| ogra | Burgwork, nope, i havent | 08:39 |
| Burgwork | Davidz is working on it | 08:40 |
| ogra | aha | 08:40 |
| Burgwork | it is an FC7 goal | 08:40 |
| Burgwork | it looks interesting for the "who is where" use case | 08:40 |
| ogra | i'm usually not a big fan of davidz's GUI works ... lets see | 08:40 |
| ogra | cbx33, ok, so i see the prio as follows: | 08:41 |
| Burgwork | is not a gui | 08:41 |
| ogra | * Multiple server control (split front/backend) | 08:41 |
| cbx33 | yup | 08:41 |
| ogra | * Blank / Lock Workstations | 08:41 |
| ogra | (because its so easy) | 08:42 |
| ogra | * Remote desktop access | 08:42 |
| ogra | * Filter functionallity of the userlist | 08:42 |
| ogra | * Tiled class overview via VNC | 08:42 |
| sbalneav | ogra: I'm working through jetpipe. I'm going to make it command line equivalent to the old lp_server. I.e. a -w, -d <device> -t <stty opts>, etc. That ok with you? | 08:42 |
| cbx33 | is that bottom one doable in feisty you think? | 08:42 |
| ogra | i'll care about the remote desktop access stuff and about renaming etc | 08:42 |
| ogra | sbalneav, totally, i was just to lazy :) | 08:43 |
| sbalneav | No problem. | 08:43 |
| cbx33 | ogra, you lazy...? | 08:43 |
| ogra | cbx33, the bottom one is a nice to have | 08:43 |
| sbalneav | Ogra's the *last* person in the world I;d call lazy. | 08:43 |
| cbx33 | me too | 08:43 |
| cbx33 | ogra, I think it would be awesome | 08:43 |
| ogra | and sharing teachers screen is likely for feisty+1 | 08:44 |
| cbx33 | posibility to make those thumbnails clickable? | 08:44 |
| cbx33 | for a full screen preview? | 08:44 |
| ogra | yep | 08:44 |
| cbx33 | possible to take control of screen? | 08:44 |
| ogra | but thats a huge task | 08:44 |
| ogra | and i'm fearing we end up with it half implemented | 08:44 |
| cbx33 | which ? | 08:44 |
| ogra | the tiled VNC thing | 08:44 |
| cbx33 | just making it bigger | 08:44 |
| cbx33 | oh | 08:44 |
| cbx33 | what do you see as the problems? | 08:44 |
| ogra | so if you want to work on it, please do it in a separate bzr branch | 08:45 |
| cbx33 | ok | 08:45 |
| ogra | vnc is a beast | 08:45 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 08:45 |
| cbx33 | a beast we shall tame | 08:45 |
| ogra | well, but it will take its time ... | 08:45 |
| cbx33 | of course | 08:45 |
| ogra | i dont want to rape it ;) | 08:45 |
| cbx33 | I'm not saying it'll be done over night ;) | 08:45 |
| ogra | just tame :) | 08:46 |
| cbx33 | ok | 08:46 |
| cbx33 | so I now have something to work on after christmas | 08:46 |
| ogra | yeah | 08:46 |
| cbx33 | doubt I'll get anything done before | 08:46 |
| cbx33 | if I'm being perfectly honest | 08:46 |
| ogra | nobody forces you to ;) | 08:47 |
| cbx33 | but i like to | 08:47 |
| cbx33 | and I hate letting you all down if I dont | 08:47 |
| cbx33 | oh ogra one last thing....any word on how to get this glade working | 08:47 |
| cbx33 | for the ldm screen | 08:47 |
| cbx33 | ? | 08:47 |
| Burgwork | cbx33: always better to under promise and over deliver | 08:48 |
| ogra | to be honest, i have no idea whats wrong there | 08:48 |
| cbx33 | grr | 08:48 |
| cbx33 | sounds like a bug to me | 08:48 |
| cbx33 | do you know what the catalogs it's talking about are? | 08:48 |
| cbx33 | and where they are located? | 08:48 |
| ogra | it may be that gnomecanvas isnt supported anymore by recent glade implementations | 08:48 |
| cbx33 | that would suck | 08:48 |
| ogra | well, gnomecanvas is dying in favor of cairo | 08:48 |
| cbx33 | leaves us with an out of date ldm glade file | 08:48 |
| Burgwork | I wonder if I could get Userful to merge our stuff into SCP... | 08:48 |
| ogra | but cairo isnt there yet | 08:49 |
| cbx33 | Burgwork, explain? | 08:49 |
| ogra | so there is an unfilled gap | 08:49 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 08:49 |
| Burgwork | ogra: we have a web-based thingy like SCP, called DiscoverAssisst | 08:49 |
| ogra | you can try to redo the ldm engine in cairo if you have to much spare time ;) | 08:49 |
| cbx33 | dued I've never even used cairo | 08:50 |
| cbx33 | not about to start screwing with that yet | 08:50 |
| cbx33 | too much else to do | 08:50 |
| cbx33 | though I'd like to | 08:50 |
| ogra | Burgwork, aha, well, i guess you could merge stuff, yes | 08:50 |
| cbx33 | I wouldn't really know where to start | 08:50 |
| ogra | a cairo rewrite is on my list for ldm ... but its far down at the bottom atm ... | 08:51 |
| cbx33 | heh | 08:51 |
| cbx33 | maybe when you get to that stage I could help out | 08:51 |
| ogra | it will take some releases to get that far down the list :) | 08:53 |
| ogra | but i'll think of you if i get there | 08:53 |
| cbx33 | ok | 08:53 |
| Burgwork | ogra: if you split the backend, life gets more interesting | 08:54 |
| ogra | ok, i'm afk until distro meeting ... | 08:54 |
| Burgwork | http://userful.com/products/discoverassist | 08:54 |
| ogra | Burgwork, split ? | 08:54 |
| Burgwork | split SCP, sorry | 08:54 |
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| cbx33 | Burgwork, SCP is goign to be split | 08:54 |
| ogra | ah | 08:54 |
| ogra | yes | 08:54 |
| ogra | ok ... bbl | 08:54 |
| cbx33 | thanks ogra | 08:56 |
| cbx33 | it took us a while but has been really good | 08:56 |
| Burgwork | cbx33: once you split the backend, are there plans to make it work on standalone machines? | 08:59 |
| cbx33 | explain? | 09:00 |
| Burgwork | make it so, if you have a lab of 30 machines, you can install the backend on each and the front end on one and have it work? | 09:02 |
| Burgwork | assuming each of those 30 machines is a fat client | 09:03 |
| Burgwork | ogra: have you guys talked with the stateless Linux people? Fedora is doing some cools things with systems management | 09:04 |
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| cbx33 | yes i was interested in stateless at one point | 09:16 |
| Burgwork | cbx33: basically, with ltsp fat clients, that is basically the same as stateless | 09:18 |
| cbx33 | ah ok | 09:18 |
| willvdl | folks, I'm out. catch you tomorrow afternoon | 09:23 |
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| cberlo | Hi folks. Got a (hopefully) quick question: how would I kill all processes from users that aren't logged on (execept daemons and system users)? | 09:49 |
| cbx33 | write a script | 09:50 |
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| Burgwork | cberlo: upon the user logging out, kill all their running processes | 09:55 |
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| cberlo | Burgwork: Okay, and with ldm, how do I detect when they logout? | 10:09 |
| cberlo | (sorry, got tied up for a bit there) | 10:09 |
| Burgwork | I have no idea | 10:09 |
| cberlo | cbx33: a script would be a good idea. I'll try that. What would you put in it? :) | 10:09 |
| sbalneav | Do all your users run the same kind of desktop? | 10:11 |
| sbalneav | i.e. gnome-session? | 10:12 |
| sbalneav | I guess, more to the point is: what's being left around that you feel you need to kill off? | 10:12 |
| Burgwork | sbalneav: in a public environment, you want to kill anything that people leave running, for security reasons | 10:14 |
| sbalneav | Burgwork: I'm trying to find out WHAT's being left around. If it's only the users' gconfd, there's no harm in that staying there: it doesn't need to restart next time then. If it's something else, then that may point to a bug, or a misconfiguration. | 10:15 |
| Burgwork | right | 10:16 |
| cberlo | sbalneav: bonobo is leaving a process behind that seems to affect nautilus upon re-logging in. Basically, I'm not pulling a proper desktop, and plugging in USB storage devices isn't visually registering (but they are accessible if you know where to look, which I'm assuming my students won't). | 10:18 |
| sbalneav | If you kill off the bonobo process, do things work correctly, then? | 10:20 |
| cberlo | Don't have access to the server at the moment (just spent the afternoon testing a new lab with it, and noticed as I logged in and out of the account I used for testing that it occasionally left this one bonobo process running; killing it seemed to fix the Desktop glitches I was experiencing). | 10:20 |
| cberlo | sbalneav: In short, yes. :) | 10:20 |
| cberlo | sbalneav: I had thought to use ps aux to narrow down the running processes, but I wind up with an assortment of daemons and such in the mix, so grepping to remove what I know should not be killed is a lengthy process. | 10:21 |
| cberlo | sbalneav: Basically what I was trying to do is grab a list of who's running processes vs. who's logged in (except for the root process) and kill any processes that were running but didn't belong to anyone logged in. | 10:22 |
| sbalneav | OK, well, there's two courses of action here. Most importantly is to file a bug on Bonobo, as it should exit correctly upon session termination. The second would be running a script to clean up. Something along the following lines. | 10:22 |
| sbalneav | #!/bin/bash | 10:22 |
| sbalneav | for each user in $(getent passwd | awk '$3 > 999 {print $1}'); do | 10:23 |
| BHSPitLappy | got a little question | 10:24 |
| BHSPitLappy | we have an ubuntu desktop running at home, and I was curious if I could install edubuntu-desktop and have its environment run for just a particular user. | 10:25 |
| sbalneav | pgrep -u ${user} gnome-session || pkill -u ${user} bonobo | 10:25 |
| sbalneav | done | 10:25 |
| cberlo | As soon as I have Internet access on that server again I will file an appropriate bug. About that script... what's the awk supposed to do? I'm not fully versed in awk... | 10:26 |
| sbalneav | I typed that off the top of my head, so you'd need to play around with it a bit. | 10:26 |
| sbalneav | the awk looks at your passwd file, and any user that has a userid greater than 999 (i.e. 1000 and above) it will return the username | 10:27 |
| sbalneav | you can try it on the command line by itself | 10:27 |
| cberlo | right, just figured that part out. :) | 10:27 |
| cberlo | Running it on my own laptop here, and watching the results. | 10:27 |
| ogra | that might kill yourself :) | 10:27 |
| sbalneav | that means you wont look for any root, etc processes. | 10:27 |
| sbalneav | yeah, you'd want ot be running that as root | 10:27 |
| sbalneav | not as a user :) | 10:27 |
| cberlo | Yes, so fairly safe to play with as me... | 10:28 |
| sbalneav | well, except for the pkill part. You'll return your name, and kill your own processes | 10:28 |
| sbalneav | which will log you out. | 10:28 |
| cberlo | So the pgrep greps the processes for gnome-session then kills bonobo if it doesn't find it? | 10:28 |
| sbalneav | yes | 10:29 |
| sbalneav | that's a very simplistic way of doing it, but... | 10:30 |
| cberlo | Okay, here's my revision: for user in $(getent passwd | awk '$3 > 999 {print $1}'|cut -f1 -d:); do echo $user; pgrep -u ${user} gnome-session || pkill -u ${user} bonobo; done | 10:30 |
| cberlo | Now, where can I put that so that it runs when someone logs off? Or should I just stick it in a cron job? | 10:30 |
| sbalneav | ah, yeah, forgot the separator in awk. | 10:30 |
| sbalneav | awk -F: '$3...... | 10:30 |
| sbalneav | then you can ditch the cut. | 10:31 |
| cberlo | good. I'll learn awk yet! :) | 10:32 |
| cberlo | So, ogra, what runs at logout that I can stick that little script in? | 10:33 |
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| ogra | nothing, you need to stick it into ldm | 10:33 |
| cberlo | ogra: You'd be proud of me: I used Edubuntu LTSP 6.10 without hacking the ldm out of it this time! 30 user setup. | 10:33 |
| cberlo | ogra: Okay, so how do I modify ldm, then? | 10:33 |
| ogra | nice :) | 10:34 |
| cberlo | Oh, and a side question: what kind of memory would you suggest for the following configs: 10 user, 30 user, 60 user? My estimate was 1GB, 2GB and 4GB. Fair? | 10:35 |
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| sbalneav | That seems reasonable. | 10:38 |
| cberlo | I gotta run. I'll have to pick your brains again tomorrow. Thanks for the assistance, sbalneav! A lot cleaner than what I was working with. And I'll get that bug report in ASAP! | 10:38 |
| ogra | ah, crap, he's gone | 10:44 |
| ogra | he could have used LDM_REMOTECOMMAND for what he wanted | 10:44 |
| ogra | err | 10:44 |
| ogra | LDM_REMOTECMD | 10:45 |
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| blue-frog | hi aquickie if I may.. where the login window GUI saves the security information (automatic login...)? | 11:08 |
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| Marco`` | hi ppl | 12:04 |
| Marco`` | is edubuntu available in multilanguage? | 12:04 |
| Marco`` | I need it in german | 12:05 |
| Marco`` | #ubuntu was faster ;) | 12:07 |
| Marco`` | ty anyway | 12:07 |
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