[12:15] <murchadh_bhaba> BrianSteffens, At a shell type mount to see what is mounted. If it isn't listed, sudo mount -t ext3 -o umask=000 /dev/hda1 /media/storage
[12:15] <BrianSteffens> murchadh_bhaba in errors=remount-ro <- does the 'ro' mean read-only
[12:16] <murchadh_bhaba> BrianSteffens, Only on boot up if it finds errors.
[12:16] <hudsy> to give permisions the comand is chmod and what more to give all permisions?
[12:16] <BrianSteffens> murchadh_bhaba: sudo mount -t ext3 -o umask=000 /dev/hda1 /media/storage gave me wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock, etc etc
[12:17] <hudsy> to give all permisions to a file/directory the comand is chmod and what more?
[12:18] <BrianSteffens> hudsy: sudo chmod username:username /directory -R
[12:18] <BrianSteffens> er lol
[12:18] <BrianSteffens> hudsy: sudo chmod +rwx /directory -R
[12:18] <hudsy> the second?
[12:19] <BrianSteffens> hudsy yea i was thinking chown the first time
[12:19] <murchadh_bhaba> BrianSteffens, Can you bare with me, sudo mkdir /media/tmp if it doesn't already exist, then try the above mount command, but mounting it here instead.
[12:20] <hudsy> ok
[12:20] <BrianSteffens> murchadh_bhaba mounting attempt on /media/tmp failed as well, same result
[12:20] <hudsy> now it says "segmentation fault"
[12:21] <hudsy> whats this??
[12:21] <BrianSteffens> hudsy: that's what happens when a program accesses ram wrong
[12:21] <hudsy> well, can i do something then??
[12:21] <murchadh_bhaba> BrianSteffens, Simplify it just to see. sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /media/tmp
[12:22] <hudsy> because installing java is giving me CRAZZZZZZYYYYY
[12:25] <BrianSteffens> murchadh_bhaba without -o umask=000 itworks
[12:25] <hudsy> if it says segmentation fault, can i do something?????
[12:26] <BrianSteffens> hudsy what command gave you segfault?
[12:26] <hudsy> im trying to install libunixprintplugin.so
[12:27] <hudsy> im trying to install java
[12:27] <BrianSteffens> !java
[12:27] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[12:28] <BrianSteffens> hudsy: try sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre?
[12:28] <hudsy> i dont know how to say in english what the console is saying....
[12:29] <hudsy> but it says it cant be installed becaus he hasnt candidate of instalation
[12:29] <BrianSteffens> hudsy what version of kubuntu are you using? edgy?
[12:29] <hudsy> yes
[12:30] <murchadh_bhaba> BrianSteffens, sudo mount -t ext3 -o nouser /dev/hda1 /media/tmp
[12:30] <ubuntu> hello
[12:30] <BrianSteffens> hudsy that's weird O_O i'm using it too and that went straight on for me
[12:31] <hudsy> mmm....
[12:31] <b0nn> I have a package thats not installing properly, how do I tell apt to skip over it unless its needed for a dependency?
[12:31] <hudsy> it can be a repo??
[12:31] <BrianSteffens> murchadh_bhaba mounted successfully
[12:32] <hudsy> it can be a repo??
[12:32] <murchadh_bhaba> BrianSteffens, First off let's check current permissions, ls -als /media
[12:33] <BrianSteffens> murchadh_bhaba, drwxr-xr-x root filestorage /media/tmp
[12:35] <b0nn> hmm fun, I cannot install hplip, nor can I remove it
[12:35] <murchadh_bhaba> BrianSteffens, Sorry, let's check current permissions, ls -als /media/tmp
[12:35] <murchadh_bhaba> b0nn, I had problems, and downloaded it off the HP site. Solved it for me!
[12:36] <b0nn> murchadh_bhaba: Im not sure I even want it, its there as part of a borked upgrade
[12:36] <BrianSteffens> !pastebin
[12:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:36] <soulrider> hudsy: its a repo
[12:36] <soulrider> thats why you cant install it
[12:36] <soulrider> you need to enable miltiverse i believe
[12:37] <hudsy> but i have them endabled...i think
[12:37] <BrianSteffens> murchadh_bhaba, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38173/
[12:38] <hudsy> yes, i have them endabled...
[12:40] <hudsy> whattt can I dOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!??????????????????
[12:40] <soulrider> hudsy: i had the same problem and that was hte problem
[12:40] <soulrider> make sure you have them
[12:40] <hudsy> well i will paste it to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[12:41] <hudsy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38175/
[12:42] <fenerbahche> are X server and kde brother ?
[12:42] <hudsy> do you see the problem??
[12:42] <hudsy> you say it to me??
[12:44] <hudsy> eeeo
[12:47] <BrianSteffens> murchadh_bhaba, any ideas?
[12:47] <b0nn> ok I cheated, I edited the init script /etc/init.d/hplip, and in the switch/case the case for 'stop' I commented out do_stop, so its never run
[12:48] <murchadh_bhaba> BrianSteffens, Sorry man, popped out. Give me a min to recap.
[12:48] <b0nn> That meant no error was returned, which meant dpkg could remove the package
[12:48] <BrianSteffens> murchadh_bhaba, ok :o) thank you so much for helping me by the way
[12:49] <murchadh_bhaba> BrianSteffens, No prob.
[12:54] <mads> hi
[12:54] <mads> how come bittorrent is so mad slow in kubuntu?
[12:55] <joost> is the mount smbfs fstab noauto <-> rc.local (fix) bug going to be resolved ...ever?
[12:55] <mads> hi
[12:55] <joost> gnome people know what i mean i guess
[12:55] <mads> how come bittorrent is so mad slow in kubuntu?
[12:55] <mads> in azureus in win xp i was getting prime speed 700kb/s both up and down
[12:55] <joost> @mads, depends on your connection / peers
[12:55] <mads> now, on the same torrents, in azureus for linux
[12:56] <mads> im getting below 2 kb/s COMBINED. o_O
[12:56] <joost> give the torrent some time to built up
[12:56] <murchadh_bhaba> BrianSteffens, sudo mount -t ext3 -o uid=1000,gid=50 /dev/hda1 /media/tmp
[12:56] <mads> joost, k
[12:56] <joost> this question isnt ubuntu related anyway
[12:56] <joost> but i know it works just fine
[12:56] <joost> (o;
[12:59] <yelonek> !elo
[12:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about elo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:59] <DarkWizdom> what is .Trash-0 hidden folder for?
[01:01] <Omnifrog> whats the best way to install firefox 2 so it is available to all users in dapper?
[01:02] <BrianSteffens> murchadh_bhaba, hey i was playing with permissions, had it mounted using no -o options.. and now i'm able to change owners and permissions
[01:03] <fenerbahche> !berlin
[01:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about berlin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:03] <fenerbahche> !berril
[01:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about berril - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:04] <murchadh_bhaba> BrianSteffens, Cool check how it is mounted in /etc/mtab, just so as you know what works; then it'll be easy to fix /etc/fstab if it isn't working on reboot. ??)
[01:04] <murchadh_bhaba> BrianSteffens, Or just type mount
[01:05] <BrianSteffens> murchadh_bhaba, wow mtab?
[01:06] <BrianSteffens> murchadh_bhaba,  mtab is SO useful to me lol
[01:07] <murchadh_bhaba> BrianSteffens, You're easy to help.
[01:08] <BrianSteffens> murchadh_bhaba haha why do you say that
[01:15] <Skeez187> Is it possible for me to emulate my existing XP partition under Kubuntu? (via VMware or something similar)
[01:15] <_kuja_> Skeez187: I don't think so
[01:15] <flaccid> !vmware
[01:15] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"). Instructions for VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[01:15] <flaccid> however wmware is not free
[01:16] <_kuja_> vmware does a seperate install within a virtual image
[01:16] <Skeez187> Oh man
[01:16] <flaccid> !qemu
[01:16] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[01:16] <_kuja_> It's not Free, but it's free, if you get my drift
[01:16] <Skeez187> I already have an XP installeed on another partition, the problem is I have no more space under Linux
[01:16] <Skeez187> lol I get it
[01:16] <flaccid> you can vmware play an existing xp partition
[01:16] <Skeez187> Awesome
[01:17] <matthew__> _kuja_, you mean *gasp* _steal_ it?
[01:17] <Skeez187> I'll never have to boot windows again then
[01:17] <flaccid> use qemu instead
[01:17] <_kuja_> matthew__: hahaha, of course not
[01:17] <fenerbahche> do most of linux distro's use X windowing sytem ??
[01:17] <matthew__> fenerbahche, yes
[01:18] <matthew__> fenerbahche, well, they use an xserver...
[01:18] <_kuja_> matthew__: I'm sure you already know what I meant, but just in case, it's not free, but it doesn't cost money
[01:18] <matthew__> _kuja_, oh, I thought you meant d/l it and crack it...lol
[01:20] <Skeez187> lol
[01:21] <KingArthur10> quick question from a long time Gnomer looking for the switch.  Where do I add beryl-manager to automatically start?  Under gnome, I use sessions, but that doesn't exist here in kde that I saw.  Thanks in advance
[01:21] <_kuja_> KingArthur10: I think I have the page detailing that bookmarked, let me check
[01:22] <dexter_> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/AiGLX#Configuring_Beryl
[01:22] <KingArthur10> thankee.  It's not that big of a pain to just alt-f2 and start beryl manager, but it would be nice to have it automatically.
[01:22] <murchadh_bhaba> BrianSteffens, You follow instructions and report back. Hehe...
[01:22] <BrianSteffens> thanks for all your help man!! :)
[01:23] <_kuja_> or not :( sorry
[01:23] <murchadh_bhaba> BrianSteffens, ??) gn
[01:23] <_kuja_> let me check what it took though
[01:24] <sorush20> hi..
[01:24] <sorush20> my files (pdf) are being redownloaded every time I try to do something with them, like save them as or when pressing back and forward..
[01:24] <KingArthur10> thankyou dexter :-) .  That worked great.
[01:24] <_kuja_> KingArthur10: First off, you need a /usr/share/xsessions/beryl.desktop file that looks like (will pastebin in a moment)
[01:24] <sorush20> is there any way that konqueror could access these files from cache.
[01:25] <_kuja_> KingArthur, you also need this script, /usr/bin/startberyl.sh, chmod +x'd to make it work, will pastebin it in a sec too
[01:25] <KingArthur10> @kuja : I don't have a beryl session file.  I just have XGL startup at the beginning
[01:25] <KingArthur10> it's slower, but it doesn't crash on me as much
[01:26] <KingArthur10> I just needed to add ln -s /usr/bin/beryl-manager ~/.kde/Autostart/beryl-manager to get the auto-start
[01:26] <KingArthur10> and everything works great now.  Thanks anyway :-)
[01:26] <_kuja_> KingArthur10: well, it's not hard to add
[01:26] <sorush20> I can't save opened pdf files while they are being viewed with kpdf in konqeror..
[01:27] <sorush20> the are opened in a frame and the save as option is unable to relize that I want to save the pdf file rather than the html fram..
[01:27] <sorush20> fram
[01:27] <sorush20> frame
[01:27] <_kuja_> KingArthur10: but whatever works for you
[01:27] <KingArthur10> thanks again :-)
[01:30] <BrianSteffens> i have a usergroup called filestorage and two users (brian and media) that are both part of that usergroup. how can i make it so that when 'brian' creates a file or directory, 'media' can delete or modify it?
[01:30] <_kuja_> BrianSteffens: set the group permission +x (chmod g+x filedir -R)
[01:31] <_kuja_> I meant
[01:31] <_kuja_> w, not x
[01:31] <_kuja_> cursed dyslexic fingers ... I think one thing and they type something else
[01:31] <BrianSteffens> i have that problem as well ;p
[01:33] <_kuja_> gah, looks like this games memory's battery is failing ... all of my files were erased
[01:33] <BrianSteffens> _kuja_ : chmod: invalid mode: 'filestorage+w'
[01:34] <_kuja_> erm
[01:34] <_kuja_> eh?
[01:34] <_kuja_> nonono
[01:35] <_kuja_> chmod -R g+w <foldername>. That's it, the only thing to be changed is foldername, you don't specify the group, seeing as that was already set with chown
[01:35] <_kuja_> (or chgrp)
[01:35] <BrianSteffens> ohh ok
[01:38] <BrianSteffens> _kuja_ excellent, it worked, thank you :D
[01:38] <_kuja_> no problem BrianSteffens :)
[01:39] <b0nn> !upgrade
[01:39] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[01:48] <b0nn> Ok this upgrade is beginning to get on my nerves
[01:49] <b0nn> I have completed the steps per the wiki, and I *still* have an unbootable system
[01:49] <matthew__> b0nn, did you do  apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:49] <b0nn> yes
[01:49] <matthew__> b0nn, you would be better doing a vanilla install...my dist-upgrade died as well...
[01:50] <GameCat> does anyone have any idea why CD ripping would go faster for one user than another?
[01:50] <b0nn> fun
[01:50] <matthew__> b0nn, I would boot from a liveCD (Damnsmalllinux.org), recover any data, then wipe and reinstall
[01:50] <b0nn> not what I want to hear
[01:50] <matthew__> b0nn, be sure to make your /home on a different partition...that way if you have to do this again, all your data stays intact.
[01:50] <b0nn> yes, I was about to say, /home is on a different partition (actually its on a different disk)
[01:51] <b0nn> The problem is the settings for the applications
[01:51] <b0nn> example: where does Thunderbird keep passwords?
[01:51] <b0nn> ditto for gaim
[01:53] <_kuja_> for gaim, try ~/.gaim, it might save them in one of the files in there
[01:55] <Omnifrog> whats the best way to install firefox 2 so it is available to all users in dapper?
[01:55] <unix_infidel> !firefox
[01:55] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[01:56] <unix_infidel> Omnifrog: all the user settings are stored in the respective users' home dir.
[01:56] <b0nn> There is a 'fix' for my issue (someone had similar problems on debian) at http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/08/msg00057.html
[01:56] <unix_infidel> as long as they have access to the binary in $PATH then you should be kosher.
[01:57] <Omnifrog> yumm, thanks!
[01:57] <b0nn> The problem there is, 1) the fix is incomplete 2) The root= parameter has been changed and 3) My partition map was borked by a windows install about 18 months ago
[01:57] <b0nn> s/18/8
[01:58] <ricanelite> What's up everybody is there a program so I could check my harddrive to see if it is failing reason being is because I tried to install Apple OS X  and it I cannot do anything as in installing the OS because it says there is a error on the Harddrive but now I have been running Ubuntu Linux Edgy for months now and my harddrive has not made any errors or i have not have any problems
[01:58] <unix_infidel> ricanelite: you are on a PPC or Apple supported x86 hardware?
[01:59] <ricanelite> Well I have a Mac Mini G4 processor and a 512mb and 30 gig harddrive
[01:59] <Schuenemann> Omnifrog: I installed using this tutorial http://manetho.wordpress.com/2006/10/25/instalando-o-firefox-20-final-no-dapper/
[01:59] <ricanelite> so I guess that will be a PPC?
[01:59] <unix_infidel> yes, that is ppc.
[01:59] <ricanelite> okay cool
[02:00] <unix_infidel> ricanelite: please do not PM users without their permission.
[02:00] <ricanelite> sorry
[02:00] <unix_infidel> np :)
[02:00] <ricanelite> so what you think i could do
[02:01] <unix_infidel> badblocks and smart would be your best diagnostic tools.
[02:01] <ricanelite> okay, where can I get that at? I'm new to Linux so I'm learning
[02:02] <ricanelite> everyday I read some tutors and FAQs so i could learn Unix and Linux world
[02:04] <Schuenemann> How can I remove a directory that is not empty?
[02:04] <Schuenemann> using shell
[02:04] <chupie> i'm trying to find a way to manually turn my cpu fan on ( on a laptop ), i've been searching google for a few days now.. but the only thing i found.. echo "force_on:1" > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN/state   gives me, permission denied..
[02:04] <Jucato> Schuenemann: rm -rf <directory>
[02:04] <TheDebugger> Schuenemann: rm -rf
[02:04] <Jucato> Schuenemann: deletes everything in the directory, including the directory itself
[02:05] <Schuenemann> why the -f?
[02:05] <unix_infidel> Schuenemann: its a force flag.
[02:05] <Schuenemann> it says ignore non-existing files... so what?
[02:05] <Jucato> it also says "never prompt"
[02:06] <unix_infidel> i should have said $ rm -rf <directory> :P
[02:06] <chupie> or, another question.. how can i edit my trip_points file?
[02:06] <Schuenemann> without f it will prompt for every file?
[02:06] <Jucato> unix_infidel: you're baaaad :P
[02:07] <ricanelite> how do i run badblocks?
[02:07] <unix_infidel> Jucato: what's so bad about that.
[02:07] <unix_infidel> just make sure he runs as non admin user.
[02:07] <Jucato> Schuenemann: not every file, but some files probably... not really sure as I've never used it without -f
[02:07] <Jucato> unix_infidel: it was a ":P" statement...
[02:07] <Schuenemann> prompted for read-only files
[02:08] <Jucato> Schuenemann: btw, %*BNEVER* (as if I can't emphasize it enough...) do "sudo rm -rf /" no matter who tells you
[02:08] <Jucato> Schuenemann: btw, *NEVER* (as if I can't emphasize it enough...) do "sudo rm -rf /" no matter who tells you
[02:08] <Schuenemann> that was weird, I says "NO" to some files, but the directory is gone anyway
[02:09] <Schuenemann> nevermind, it's a hidden one :p
[02:09] <Schuenemann> Jucato: ok, won't do it
[02:09] <Deviant> Could someone help me with a wireless issue?
[02:10] <unix_infidel> !ask | Deviant
[02:10] <ubotu> Deviant: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:11] <matthew__> !someone | Deviant
[02:11] <ubotu> Deviant: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[02:11] <matthew__> lol
[02:11] <Deviant> My wireless pci card is showing up on Dapper and when i go into Wireless Assistant it scans and finds my router but when I try to connect it tries then says it has a connection failure.
[02:11] <matthew__> Deviant, make sure that the ip address is the same between your Network settings and Wlassistant settings
[02:13] <Deviant> Doesn't automatic DHCP work?
[02:14] <bulwynkl> how do I mount an old file system (LVM - presumably lvm2) so I can get the files off of it? I don't seem to ba able to find a clear answer anywhere. the LVM howto did not seemt o cover it (or I'm just missing it)
[02:15] <Skeez187> Alright I give up
[02:15] <Skeez187> Someone please tell me how to install vmware
[02:15] <unix_infidel> Deviant: 1) Determine the model, make, and chipset of your wireless card 2) pastebin any errors about your card from dmesg  3) look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:16] <unix_infidel> after all of that is done, try and connecting your wireless card using the linux backend, eg using Konsole to issue commands like iwlist [interface]  scan, iwconfig [interface]  essid [your_AP's_essid] , dhclient [interface] 
[02:16] <unix_infidel> making sure to either prefix then with sudo or become root.
[02:21] <Jucato> does anyone know how I can make KDE treat/use my right Alt key the same way it treats/uses my left Alt key?
[02:21] <b0nn> Skeez187: I put the following search string in google "install vmware ubuntu" and got this back as the first hit http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_vmware_server.  I used that page when I installed vmware on my pc
[02:22] <unix_infidel> b0nn: sounds about right.
[02:22] <unix_infidel> #vmware will be of better help to you.
[02:22] <Jucato> btw, trying to install vmware player or server? vmware player is available in the repositories (do no install using Adept)
[02:23] <unix_infidel> vmware server is far superior ro the player :P
[02:23] <unix_infidel> to*
[02:23] <deus> hello
[02:23] <deus> Do any of you know if there is a trick to booting a computer off of a DVD, like with a liveDVD?
[02:24] <chupie> w00t! i got my cpu fan to turn on
[02:24] <Schuenemann> Jucato: maybe this can help you, I used it to make Win key a non-modifier one: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2552768
[02:26] <Jucato> Schuenemann: thanks. I'll take a peek :)
[02:26] <yamathan> !microphone
[02:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about microphone - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:26] <yamathan> !mic
[02:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:26] <yamathan> Ah.
[02:26] <yamathan> !recordingaudio
[02:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about recordingaudio - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:27] <matthew> !audacity | yamathan
[02:27] <yamathan> Okay, failing that ... Does anyone know how to mount a microphone from an nVidia nForce4 motherboard?
[02:27] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4b-2.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1850 kB, installed size 5444 kB
[02:27] <b0nn> Does anyone understand the 'new' 'code' in grub?
[02:27] <yamathan> Thanks, matthew.
[02:27] <b0nn> I have this root=UUID=a84207ce-182f-44f2-9f10-87e3a6669b0d ro quiet splash where root= used to be
[02:27] <chupie> ok, i have  a question... why wouldn't a sudo echo command work, but when i used sudo nano -w
[02:27] <chupie> it worked
[02:27] <yamathan> But, uh, I need to install this mike, right?
[02:27] <chupie> in the end result that is
[02:27] <b0nn> I'm fairly sure its the reason my systems isnt booting
[02:28] <ziperon>   ?
[02:29] <Schuenemann> !ru | ziperon
[02:29] <ziperon> )
[02:29] <ubotu> ziperon:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[02:29] <yamathan> Which is to say I wish I had a Bluetooth dongle.
[02:29] <Schuenemann> don't tell me about dongles, I can't make my infrared work
[02:30] <Jucato> my usb bluetooth dongle works fine...
[02:30] <yamathan> Huh.
[02:30] <Jucato> too bad my sister's IR dongle is broken so I can't test...
[02:30] <Schuenemann> I wish you had one to teach me
[02:31] <Schuenemann> yamathan: ebay has cheap dongles
[02:31] <Jucato> I wish I had one to learn :)
[02:31] <Jucato> I bought mine for around US$ 7.00
[02:31] <yamathan> Ah, but all I have is this microphone for a tape deck.
[02:31] <Schuenemann> I paid around that too
[02:31] <_kuja_> Schuenemann, the last thing I looked at that talked about infrared and dongles was in a howto thread on the ubuntuforums ... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=288229
[02:32] <Jucato> now all I have to do is to figure out how to sync korganizer with my phone's PIM... :(
[02:32] <yamathan> Are all of the PLF mirrors screwed up because the new mods changed servers or something?
[02:33] <Schuenemann> but that doesn't say anything about infrared
[02:33] <Jucato> yamathan: have you installed anything from PLF? if not, you can just disable them if they're giving you troubles
[02:33] <yamathan> Ah, only one thing.
[02:33] <_kuja_> LIRC = linux infrared something something
[02:33] <Schuenemann> !lirc
[02:33] <ubotu> lirc: Linux Infra-red Remote Control support. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8.0-5ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 308 kB, installed size 1544 kB
[02:33] <_kuja_> !lirc
[02:33] <Schuenemann> ahh, thanks
[02:33] <Schuenemann> I will try that later
[02:34] <deus> Im having trouble getting kubuntu to boot from either a DVD or a CD on my computer
[02:34] <Jucato> yamathan: what's that one thing? if it's w32codecs...
[02:34] <yamathan> Nah.
[02:34] <_kuja_> I used superm1's howto for it, worked wonders for my remote :)
[02:34] <fnord5> kiso: cannot connect to X server :0.0 kiso: ERROR: Communication problem with kiso probably crashed.
[02:34] <yamathan> I had to play a DVD for a visiting cousin, and naturally it was protected.
[02:34] <fnord5> i keep getting this from trying to run kiso
[02:34] <Jucato> yamathan: did you check the wikis for playing dvd's?
[02:34] <Jucato> anyway... /me goes to do laundry...
[02:35] <yamathan> Yep.
[02:35] <fnord5> i keep getting this error when im trying to run kiso,any help
[02:35] <yamathan> I barely play DVD's on my computer.  It's quite sad, really.  :P
[02:35] <Jucato> heh ditto :)
[02:35] <Schuenemann> what do I need to install to play wma and midi?
[02:35] <avalon> How do I get a touchscreen working with Xorg?
[02:35] <Jucato> for wma, you need w32codecs... midi is a bit more complicated...
[02:35] <yamathan> That would be w32 codecs, which I'm uncertain if I can mention.
[02:35] <fnord5> deus:  is our bios setup  to boot from a cd/dvd?
[02:36] <deus> yeah, at least thats what Ive been told
[02:36] <Jucato> yamathan: it's ok. let the bot do the talking :P
[02:36] <Jucato> !w32codecs
[02:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:36] <Schuenemann> I suppose that means a lot complicated
[02:36] <deus> fnord5, I can boot off of cds fine
[02:36] <Jucato> Schuenemann: for midi? yes. w32codecs is easy. just download, right-click, and install
[02:36] <deus> fnord5, this is the first time I tried a dvd, but its supposed to be able to do that
[02:36] <Jucato> bbl
[02:36] <fnord5> what happens when you try the kubutu disc?
[02:37] <Schuenemann> so it's not from apt-get (wma) ?
[02:37] <Skeez187> So do I install VMware server and player?
[02:37] <fnord5> is it a seperate drivew then youv used before?
[02:37] <chupie> ok, if force_on:1 turns on my cpu fan.. how can i turn it off?
[02:37] <deus> fnord5, well, the cd starts to boot up (it says kubuntu and everything) and halfway through it hangs
[02:38] <deus> fnord5, when I do the dvd, it makes grinding noises and then goes to my hard drive and boots grub.
[02:38] <fnord5> ive have a simmaler problem with mine,my dvd ran he live and installed fine but now it wont run it again
[02:38] <fnord5> whats grub say?
[02:38] <fnord5> you men the grub command prompt?
[02:39] <deus> oh, its just my regular boot loader.  It asks if I want to boot linux (mepis) or windows
[02:39] <fnord5> deus: GRUB>
[02:39] <fnord5> that?
[02:39] <deus> fnord5, no
[02:40] <fnord5> or something like it?or the grub menu?
[02:40] <deus> fnord5, yeah, its a menu
[02:40] <Schuenemann> !dkpg
[02:40] <fnord5> you dont have the option to start a kernal?
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dkpg - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:40] <deus> fnord5, ?
[02:40] <fnord5> !dpkg
[02:40] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[02:40] <Schuenemann> !dpkg
[02:40] <deus> fnord5, I dont know
[02:40] <fnord5> is there anything on the menu?
[02:41] <deus> fnord5, well, my computer is a dual boot, and the menu options are "Mepis at sda3" "windows at sda2" and memtest
[02:41] <fnord5> i keep getting this error when im trying to run kiso,any help?
[02:41] <fnord5> kiso: cannot connect to X server :0.0kiso: ERROR: Communication problem with kiso, it probably crashed.
[02:42] <Schuenemann> !sd
[02:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:42] <fnord5> i dont know what to say
[02:43] <fnord5> have you tried google for compatibilty issues with your pc and kub?
[02:43] <deus> how do I do that?
[02:44] <fnord5> well if you have a non-custom built computer it should have a make/model try searching that + kubuntu
[02:45] <fnord5> then iff theres to many options that show up add words like problems
[02:45] <fnord5> or whatever
[02:45] <deus> okay
[02:45] <fnord5> hows mepis?
[02:45] <fnord5> work
[02:46] <Deviant> okay, Is there anywhere I can download the linux header files for Kubuntu.. I can't on my comp no internet connection.
[02:47] <yamathan> Argh!
[02:48] <yamathan> Why can't I get microphone support?!  D:
[02:48] <deus> fnord5, well, Im giving it up because apparently It has an out-of-date version of x and therefore it is impossible to install any software on it.  kinda useless
[02:48] <deus> or, at least thats what Ive been told
[02:48] <deus> aparently "Kubuntu rocks on Dell Inspiron E1705"
[02:49] <deus> thats what somebodys forum post said, if only I could run it
[02:49] <fnord5> you could update x after you install im preety sure,but i cant help you anymore
[02:49] <deus> I dont care.  Im not using mepis once I get kubuntu running
[02:49] <fnord5> yamathan: click on the little speaker in the korner
[02:49] <fnord5> right side kornr
[02:49] <yamathan> Wait, what?  :P
[02:50] <yamathan> This is KDE, right?
[02:50] <fnord5> yup
[02:50] <joshuajtl> hey folks, is kaffeine broken for everyone?
[02:50] <yamathan> Oh, you mean in audacity?
[02:50] <fnord5> hence why i called it a korner
[02:50] <fnord5> nope bottom of the screen on the menu bar
[02:51] <deus> "korner"?
[02:51] <matthew> joshuajtl, nope
[02:51] <matthew> joshuajtl, what's the problem? can't play .avi's?
[02:51] <deus> hey, matthew!
[02:51] <matthew> deus, hey!
[02:51] <matthew> deus, did you get it all figured out?
[02:51] <deus> nope
[02:51] <matthew> deus, you're the guy w/ the bad CD drive, right?
[02:51] <fnord5> i was being witty kubuntu is linux+KDE most of the programs have a k infront of them
[02:51] <joshuajtl> matthew: no, just wont start... let me try from cli
[02:52] <deus> matthew, I double its a bad CD drive, but thats what you guys think
[02:52] <fnord5> yamathan hit alt-f2
[02:52] <matthew> deus, nope, I thought it was the video card...
[02:52] <yamathan> fnord5, for some reason I'm not seeing a speaker button as such.
[02:52] <matthew> joshuajtl, try killall kaffeine
[02:52] <fnord5> try alt f2
[02:52] <matthew> then do      kaffeine
[02:52] <deus> matthew, Actuaally, I got to complete the CD scan, and it thought the cd was okay
[02:52] <yamathan> Alt+F2?
[02:52] <yamathan> Not doing anything.
[02:53] <fnord5> are you on kubuntu?
[02:53] <fnord5> wierd
[02:53] <yamathan> Yep.
[02:53] <yamathan> Kubuntu 61.
[02:53] <yamathan> *6.12
[02:53] <yamathan> **6.1, even.
[02:53] <matthew> deus, hmmm, I really can't think of what else to do...
[02:53] <deus> matthew, if its the video card, can I somehow disable the video card?
[02:53] <fnord5> ok go to systyem konsol
[02:54] <joshuajtl> matthew: heheh great that worked :)
[02:54] <yamathan> Oh, intriguing!
[02:54] <matthew> deus, does your computer have an onboard (integrated w/ the mobo) video card?
[02:54] <matthew> joshuajtl, great!
[02:54] <yamathan> alsamixer claims that the mic is off!
[02:54] <deus> matthew, it a laptop
[02:54] <fnord5> yup
[02:54] <fnord5> are you in konsol?
[02:54] <deus> matthew, ati mobility radeon x1400
[02:54] <fnord5> type kmix
[02:54] <yamathan> Is there a way to turn it *on* from the terminal?
[02:55] <fnord5> yamathan: type kmix
[02:55] <matthew> deus, I really don't know what to do...sorry...
[02:55] <fnord5> a mixer widow will open
[02:55] <fnord5> and you can turn it on from there
[02:55] <yamathan> YAY.
[02:55] <matthew> deus, how long did genii help you? you may want to talk to him when he gets on...
[02:55] <yamathan> Thanks for the hint.
[02:55] <fnord5> i keep getting this error when im trying to run kiso,any help?
[02:56] <fnord5> kiso: cannot connect to X server :0.0kiso: ERROR: Co
[02:56] <fnord5> mmunication problem with kiso, it probably crashed.
[02:56] <fnord5> !kiso
[02:56] <ubotu> kiso: program to create manipulate and extract CD Image. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.3-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 343 kB, installed size 1048 kB
[02:56] <BrianSteffens> i am trying to access a shared folder via samba in konqueror but it is only read-only. how can i connect to the shared folder with the username and password i set up on the server? konqueror doesn't ask me for identification
[02:56] <fnord5> yamathan: is it working?
[02:57] <yamathan> I don't know how to test it working.
[02:57] <deus> matthew, genii decided it was the cd drive and wanted me to run it on an external cd drive, but I dont have one
[02:57] <yamathan> Matters are not helped by the fact that apparently I have a "mic 1" and a "mic 2" listed as possible devices.
[02:57] <fnord5> turn them both on
[02:57] <matthew> deus, does your computer have an onboard (integrated w/ the mobo) video card?
[02:58] <yamathan> fnord5, apparently enough it wants me to select one or the other as my "mic" input, period.
[02:58] <deus> matthew, i dont know.  I know its a laptop with a ati mobility radeon x1400
[02:58] <fnord5> do you have skype?
[02:58] <matthew> deus, oh, right...darn
[02:58] <matthew> deus, ok, I'm out of ideas....lol, sorry
[02:58] <fnord5> yamathan: do you have skype?
[02:58] <yamathan> Nah.
[02:58] <yamathan> I don't have Skype.
[02:59] <deus> matthew, cant I run it in some sort of safe graphics mode?  The one on the menu didnt work
[02:59] <matthew> deus, I don't know.
[02:59] <deus> matthew, is there a trick to booting from a dvd?
[02:59] <fnord5> do you have a high speed internet conect?if you could get skype we could test out the mic and see which one has to  be on
[03:00] <fnord5> unless there s aeasyer way
[03:00] <matthew> deus, nope...just make sure you've got a DVD drive ;-)
[03:00] <deus> matthew, haha.
[03:00] <fnord5> i dont really know i dont use my mic for anything
[03:00] <deus> matthew, >;(
[03:00] <matthew> deus, yeah, I know...
[03:00] <yamathan> YAY!
[03:00] <yamathan> It works!
[03:01] <yamathan> I had it in the wrong input jack, WTF.  XD;;;
[03:01] <Schuenemann> yamathan: what did you do?
[03:01] <fnord5> besides i were it when the ups man come its a head set one i plug the end of it into a busted plastic salt shaker and mumble into it alot
[03:01] <yamathan> Everything was set properly after I used kmix, but, uh ...
[03:01] <yamathan> Wrong pink input jack.
[03:01] <fnord5> he thinks im crazy
[03:01] <fnord5> cool
[03:01] <deus> matthew, when does genii come on?
[03:01] <fnord5> glad i could help
[03:02] <matthew> deus, I don't know...he lives in Toronto, Canada...you know those Canadians! ;-)
[03:02] <deus> matthew, its 5 there
[03:02] <deus> matthew, wait
[03:03] <deus> matthew, Im thinking vancouver
[03:03] <Schuenemann> yamathan: where did you test the mic?
[03:03] <yamathan> Uh ...
[03:03] <fnord5> hey how do i switch to a diffrent server using konversation?im trying to get to the 2600 server
[03:03] <yamathan> I can HEAR it on the headphones, so, uh ...
[03:03] <yamathan> I assume that indeed it's working.  :s
[03:03] <Schuenemann> fnord5: f2, then new server
[03:04] <fnord5> huh?on your head phones?
[03:04] <Schuenemann> f2 > server list > new server
[03:04] <matthew> deus, why?
[03:04] <jerp> is there a trick to have windows open in the center of the screen instead of top left
[03:04] <Schuenemann> headphones?
[03:04] <matthew> deus, oh, right
[03:04] <matthew> lol
[03:04] <matthew> jerp, just move the window...the next time you open it, it should be where you left it.
[03:05] <yamathan> Yes.
[03:05] <Schuenemann> what are those red and green lights on kmix?
[03:05] <yamathan> *microphone singular
[03:05] <b0nn> Ive found what I think is the problem, but I dont know how to fix it
[03:05] <robotgeek> Schuenemann: green lights are mute, red lights, i dunno
[03:06] <b0nn> Booting stops at /scripts/init-bottom/udev
[03:06] <Schuenemann> red says recording monitor, whatever that is
[03:06] <b0nn> I dont know how to remove that script or continue the boot process from busybox
[03:07] <deus> matthew, is an older version of kubuntu, like dapper (6.06 i think) more likely to work?
[03:07] <matthew> deus, maybe, but I think the problem lies in the lack of drivers for your card...but feel free to try...you can always upgrade, if you feel the need.
[03:08] <jerp> matthew, I open the system settings window and use the menu in the titlebar to 'Move' to the center and then close it and reopen and it returns top left.  so I'm not thinking that it isn't adjusting my settings in this case
[03:08] <matthew> jerp, that's very weird...can't help you....sorry
[03:09] <BrianSteffens> how can i connect to a shared folder in konqueror with a username and password? it never asks and just logs me in as anonymous
[03:09] <jerp> the continuous readjusting is a bit obnoxious
[03:10] <fnord5> i thouhgt ubotu could run google searches?
[03:10] <Jucato> jerp: what are you trying to do again?
[03:12] <matthew> BrianSteffens, through ftp?
[03:13] <jerp> jucato, is there a trick to have windows open in the center of the screen instead of top left
[03:13] <matthew> BrianSteffens, ftp://user:username@IPaddress/path/to/folder
[03:13] <matthew> I think
[03:13] <BrianSteffens> matthew, no, through samba to a shared drive on my server
[03:14] <yamathan> Damn.
[03:14] <yamathan> No dice on Skype.
[03:14] <matthew> BrianSteffens, no idea...sorry
[03:14] <matthew> lol, I say that a lot...
[03:14] <BrianSteffens> lol
[03:14] <Schuenemann> !mid
[03:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:14] <Schuenemann> !midi
[03:14] <ubotu> Trouble playing MIDI files? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[03:15] <Jucato> jerp: press Alt+F3 -> Advanced -> Special Window Settings -> check [ ]  Placement, set to Force, and then set to Centered?
[03:15] <BrianSteffens> :( when i access it from my windows box it works perfectly but conqueror doesn't ask for username or password so i don't have access to change or add files
[03:15] <mariano_> do you guys know how I can edit the grub or whatever thing when my computer starts
[03:15] <mariano_> I want to make it more graphical or erase some of the old kernels listed on there
[03:15] <yamathan> XD
[03:15] <yamathan> Oh man!
[03:15] <pv_> yep
[03:15] <yamathan> I got the mic to work!
[03:16] <pv_> Y'a des FR ?
[03:16] <jerp> jucato,  yeah I tried that.  Recently I opened GwenView and it opened maximized, I went un-max moved it center and closed it.  to test it I reopened it and it was unmaxed but went top-left
[03:16] <yamathan> Whatever you do, don't select the green icons in Kmix.
[03:16] <Jucato> mariano_: you can "erase" older kernels by uninstalling those kernels. but I suggest leaving at least one working older kernel for backup
[03:16] <Schuenemann> yamathan: green means mute
[03:17] <Schuenemann> yamathan: how did you set it to work?
[03:17] <yamathan> I learned that a little late.  :p
[03:17] <mariano_> well, is there I can make it so that windows is the default os
[03:17] <jerp> I'm gonna make that a project I guess
[03:17] <yamathan> Aaaand now magically it's not working.  >: E
[03:17] <Jucato> jerp: did you set it to "Force" or just "Force Temporarily"? also, did you use Special Window Settings or Special Applications Settings?
[03:17] <mariano_> and linux the second choice
[03:17] <jerp> I used the like from the titlebar menu
[03:17] <jerp> link
[03:18] <Jucato> jerp: right-click on the title bar -> Advanced -> Special Window Settings
[03:18] <jerp> config window behavior
[03:18] <Schuenemann> !grub
[03:18] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:18] <Schuenemann> !grub.conf
[03:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about grub.conf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:18] <Jucato> jerp: then? did you try the exact steps I told you?
[03:19] <jerp> jucato, I don't want to do it in my Konversation full screen, gimme a sec
[03:19] <Schuenemann> mariano_: you have to edit the grub conf file, which I don't remember which it is
[03:19] <Schuenemann> :p
[03:19] <mariano_> ok
[03:19] <mariano_> cool
[03:20] <Jucato>  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:20] <Schuenemann> there it is
[03:20] <Jucato> !grub | mariano_
[03:20] <ubotu> mariano_: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:20] <Jucato> mariano_: that last link
[03:20] <fnord__>  /boot/grub
[03:21] <fnord__> i think
[03:22] <Schuenemann> _mariano: you just have to edit the line that says 'default'
[03:25] <fnord__> i keep getting this error when im trying to run kiso,any help?
[03:25] <fnord__> kiso: cannot connect to X server :0.0kiso: ERROR: Communication problem withkiso,probably crashed.
[03:25] <fnord__> sorrry for repeating my slef
[03:29] <mariano_> how long do you guys think it will be for linux to be ready for straight out of the box use
[03:29] <mariano_> for average home computer users
[03:29] <Jucato> most Linux distro are already ready for straight ootb use
[03:30] <mariano_> really, hm, maybe i just have bad luck
[03:30] <Jucato> changing boot configurations is not considered "straight ootb" use :)
[03:30] <mariano_> non of the distros i've tried have a working flash player
[03:30] <Schuenemann> you can't say you have bad luck just because the default boot option disagrees you
[03:30] <mariano_> they have flash player but the sound is out
[03:31] <mariano_> most of them dont read my sound card
[03:31] <Schuenemann> flash is adobe's fault, not linux's
[03:31] <Jucato> well, Ubuntu is special when it comes to proprietary codecs and formats
[03:31] <mariano_> exactly
[03:31] <Jucato> other distros like MEPIS or KNOPPIX ship those by default
[03:31] <Nontitle> the main reason people don't use linux is because they have never heard of it, and that really sucks
[03:31] <mariano_> when  will linux have no problem with such drivers
[03:31] <Schuenemann> Nontitle: yep
[03:31] <Nontitle> if people learned how to use linux before they used windows, then the world would be a better place
[03:31] <mariano_> I tried mepis and it was slow
[03:31] <Jucato> mariano_: the day that those driver manufacturers decide to cooperate
[03:31] <Schuenemann> or where piracy is normal
[03:32] <mariano_> I love the way linux feels and the philosophy behind it
[03:32] <Jucato> Schuenemann: completely agree with that :)
[03:32] <Schuenemann> around here, no one cares about piracy
[03:32] <mariano_> I just dont think that it is out of the box ready for home computer users that do not know much about computers
[03:32] <Schuenemann> I have to agree it's not as easy as windows
[03:32] <Jucato> mariano_: the problem isn't on Linux's end... it's on the other side of the fence. Linux has the technology to implement those features if they weren't proprietary
[03:32] <Schuenemann> but it's getting better there
[03:33] <mariano_> I understand that
[03:33] <Jucato> mariano_: also, don't equate one, two, or even a dozen distros with Linux. each distro does its own thing, specially regarding codecs, differently
[03:33] <Nontitle> with the help of KDE and Gnome its almost becoming as easy to use as windows
[03:33] <Schuenemann> although kubuntu recognizes all my hardware, and windows XP requires the motherboard installation cd
[03:33] <mariano_> I guess my question is this, will those fences come down soon
[03:33] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[03:34] <mariano_> I'm just asking because I am deciding whether to buy vista or not
[03:34] <Jucato> who knows... Sun has open sourced Java, Adobe is developing Flash 9 for Linux...
[03:34] <Jucato> Intel has open source video card drivers... who knows... who knows...
[03:35] <notech> mariano_: only you can decide that
[03:35] <Schuenemann> first linux I installed was red hat 7, was a pain
[03:35] <ForgeAus> I need another 2 gig on my hardfile :(
[03:35] <ForgeAus> my Xubuntu grew lol
[03:35] <ForgeAus> I added too much 2 it
[03:35] <jerp> jucato, thanks for the directions... I used the 'special window settings' entry and "fixed" the Geometry- Position  Size and Placement for Kate and GwenView.  I did it twice to make sure it wasn't a fluke.  Is there a switch for setting app windows "Global"?
[03:36] <mariano_> well, I guess I will have to buy it and continue to experiment with linux on my old computer
[03:36] <Jucato> jerp: not really sure.
[03:37] <jerp> bummer :p
[03:37] <Jucato> there might be an option. just don't know...
[03:39] <joshuajtl> anyone happen to know if there is a kde theme/window decoration, that is at all simillar to the gnome carbonit theme...
[03:39] <Jucato> http://www.kde-look.org
[03:40] <jerp> well thanks just the same, I think I've some patience enough to do it to all the windows I hope.
[03:40] <Skeez187> Alright guys, I've managed to get VMware Workstation up and running, how do I emulate my existing windows partition?
[03:40] <joshuajtl> Jucato: I am familiar... I was asking because if someone knew already then I wouldnt have to go through the whole site...
[03:40] <joshuajtl> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=45590
[03:42] <Jucato> jerp: you could study the Window Specific Settings rules, I think it accepts wildcards such as *
[03:43] <Schuenemann> !dummy packagte
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dummy packagte - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <Schuenemann> !dummy package
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dummy package - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <Schuenemann> what is a dummy package?
[03:44] <fnord__> mariano_: have you tried ubuntu ubuntu  edubuntu?
[03:44] <fnord__> there slighty easyer
[03:45] <mariano_> well, I have tried ubuntu
[03:45] <fnord__> anyone know a program to extract iso's?not onto a cd but just open the iso and edit it?
[03:45] <mariano_> and there was a problem with screen resolution
[03:45] <mariano_> so far, the best distros i've tried are kubuntu and suse
[03:46] <Schuenemann> mariano_: me too
[03:46] <mariano_> but suse 10.2 has a problem with being a bit slow
[03:46] <mariano_> even slower than xp
[03:46] <Schuenemann> yeah, slower and too many cd's
[03:46] <fnord__> whats xubuntu like?
[03:46] <BrianSteffens> does anyone know to specify username/password when mounting an smb folder with smbmount or mount -t smbfs ?
[03:46] <mariano_> and 10.2 wont recognize my card even after loading the mudfu firmware
[03:46] <fnord__> does it look/act more like ku or ubun?
[03:46] <mariano_> Kubuntu is the fastest and more stable one
[03:47] <mariano_> but still can't get flash player videos to play with sound
[03:47] <mariano_> I just get image
[03:47] <mariano_> and flash player videos are a huge part of my daily life. So, I need to be able to see them.
[03:47] <Schuenemann> have you tried flash 9 beta?
[03:47] <Skeez187> I get my flash vids to work
[03:47] <mariano_> yea
[03:47] <BrianSteffens> xubuntu is closer to ubuntu (xface gui is closer to gnome than kde)
[03:47] <Skeez187> But after a while they go mute
[03:47] <mariano_> i've even tried installing them manually
[03:47] <Schuenemann> they work here (flash 7)
[03:47] <Skeez187> I have to close and reopen firefox for them to work again
[03:47] <BrianSteffens> if i were you i'd only xubuntu for a server or an old machine that doesn't have much power. personally i hate xface
[03:47] <Schuenemann> but sometimes they don't load at the first time
[03:48] <Schuenemann> first try*
[03:48] <mariano_> I know  linux is a far better system than windows. I mean, no spyware.
[03:48] <mariano_> and most things are free to use
[03:48] <mariano_> that is an egalitarian's dream come true. However, the no flash player keeps making me boot to  windows xp.
[03:48] <joshuajtl> hrmm I've just installed dekorator... but how do I actually use it?
[03:49] <mariano_> oh and onenote 2007 does too
[03:49] <mariano_> However, I was able to get kubuntu running on my tablet pc. It works amazingly fast!
[03:52] <Schuenemann> it isn't that fast here
[03:52] <Schuenemann> but my pc is old
[03:52] <robotgeek> Schuenemann: you can turn off fancy effects then
[03:52] <Nontitle> mariano_: Adobe just recently released flash player 9 for linux
[03:52] <Schuenemann> robotgeek: like what?
[03:52] <Schuenemann> Nontitle: final?
[03:52] <robotgeek> Schuenemann: the tooltips, etc etc
[03:52] <Nontitle> final
[03:52] <mariano_> i'v tried it and nothing
[03:53] <mariano_> let me try it  again
[03:53] <Nontitle> well, im pretty sure final
[03:53] <Schuenemann> that's great
[03:53] <matthew> Nontitle, very cool...I"ve been using beta 2 forever...
[03:53] <mariano_> should I do it manually or through adept?
[03:53] <Nontitle> hehe
[03:53] <mariano_> con konsole?
[03:53] <BrianSteffens> ok i mounted a remote smb folder with username and password. the folder i mounted to is owned by my account 'brian' but when i perform the mount it changes to being owned by root. sudo chown says it cannot change ownership of the folder. any ideas please/
[03:53] <Nontitle> mariano+: both should work fine
[03:54] <mariano_> ok
[03:55] <Schuenemann> the download page points to version 7
[03:55] <mariano_> I should not have to reboot right?
[03:55] <mariano_> yea, I did it through adept
[03:55] <mariano_> it has the 9.0.21 version
[03:56] <robotgeek> Schuenemann: you should probably get it from seveas's repo
[03:56] <Schuenemann> 9.0.21.78.2ubuntu1~dapper1 0
[03:56] <mariano_> yea
[03:56] <mariano_> i'm downloading that one
[03:56] <Jucato> !flash9
[03:56] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[03:56] <Schuenemann> it says I have this installed, but it uses 7
[03:56] <Schuenemann> I mean firefox uses 7
[03:56] <mariano_> I got it, but no sound
[03:56] <mariano_> only video plays
[03:57] <Jucato> hm.... strange...
[03:57] <Jucato> (never had that problem in Konqueror...)
[03:57] <Schuenemann> I'll try konqueror
[03:57] <mariano_> nothing
[03:58] <Jucato> Schuenemann: what does about:plugins in Firefox say?
[03:58] <Schuenemann> Shockwave Flash 7.0 r68
[03:58] <Schuenemann> konqueror is not opening any pages
[03:59] <Schuenemann> it prompts to save the page or open with firefox
[03:59] <Jucato> :O
[03:59] <Jucato> Schuenemann: how did you check that you have Flash 9 installed, btw?
[03:59] <Schuenemann> with apt-get
[03:59] <mariano_> I have flash player 9.2 d78
[03:59] <mariano_> but no sound comes out
[03:59] <Schuenemann> Instalado: 9.0.21.78.2ubuntu1~dapper1
[04:00] <Jucato> hm.... :(
[04:00] <Jucato> Schuenemann: apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree?
[04:00] <Schuenemann> yeah
[04:01] <Schuenemann> why the hell is konqueror acting like that?
[04:01] <mariano_>     File name: libflashplayer.so
[04:01] <mariano_>     Shockwave Flash 9.0 d78
[04:01] <fnord__> closeing out all the time or freezeing up?
[04:01] <mariano_> thats what I got
[04:01] <fnord__> mine does it alot i have to restart
[04:01] <Schuenemann> neither, doesn't open a page
[04:01] <mariano_> I get no sound just video.
[04:01] <Schuenemann> asks for save the page or open with firefox
[04:01] <fnord__> is xubutu buggyer then kubuntu?
[04:01] <fnord__> i dont know
[04:02] <Jucato> Schuenemann: did you just install flash right now?
[04:02] <fnord__> my konq is crazy
[04:02] <mariano_> fnord
[04:02] <Jucato> fnord__: not really
[04:02] <mariano_> kubuntu is supper fast
[04:02] <Schuenemann> actually it open pages, except for pages that have flash
[04:02] <matthew> mariano_, Flash 9 is not final yet
[04:02] <mariano_> specially once you get it running cool
[04:02] <Schuenemann> Jucato: with apt?
[04:02] <Jucato> matthew: but usable, from my end
[04:02] <mariano_> it is very fast on my tablet pc
[04:02] <Jucato> Schuenemann: yes. I mean, when did you install flash/flash 9?
[04:02] <Jucato> oooh tablet PC?!?!?
[04:02] <Schuenemann> some days ago
[04:02] <matthew> Jucato, on mine as well.
[04:02] <mariano_> yea
[04:03] <mariano_> i got it used on ebay
[04:03] <mariano_> it is great for school
[04:03] <fnord__> i thougt xubuntu was faster?
[04:03] <Jucato> Schuenemann: never worked for you once?
[04:03] <mariano_> can't live without it
[04:03] <Schuenemann> I'm using dapper, fyi
[04:03] <Jucato> fnord__: yep, it's faster
[04:03] <Schuenemann> 9 never
[04:03] <Jucato> Schuenemann: ah.. hm....
[04:03] <mariano_> well, kubuntu works faster for me.
[04:03] <Jucato> mariano_: faster than Xubuntu?
[04:03] <mariano_> and it felt like it was far more complete
[04:03] <mariano_> yea
[04:03] <Jucato> that's just... a bit... improbable...
[04:03] <mariano_> faster than xubuntu
[04:03] <Jucato> it's more complete, yes. but faster?
[04:03] <mariano_> yea
[04:03] <Jucato> :O
[04:03] <mariano_> it was really fast
[04:03] <mariano_> I mean set up and all
[04:04] <Schuenemann> how can I install edgy without losing everything I did?
[04:04] <mariano_> speed of processing stuff was equal once I added things to xubuntu
[04:04] <fnord__> does xubuntu have alot of eyecandy?
[04:04] <mariano_> nope
[04:04] <fnord__> because im only running 256mg and 1.7gigs
[04:04] <mariano_> my kubuntu even runs beryl on  my tablet. intel 865 chip
[04:05] <Jucato> Schuenemann: unless you have a very strong reason to upgrade to Edgy... I'd recommend sticking to Dapper if you're happy with it
[04:05] <Schuenemann> how can I be happy with it if everything requires edgy heh :p
[04:05] <Schuenemann> for apt-get I mean
[04:06] <Jucato> what requires Edgy?
[04:06] <Schuenemann> firefox 2
[04:06] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago!!!!!
[04:06] <Admiral_Chicago> Schuenemann: you can update the version
[04:06] <Admiral_Chicago> !firefox | Schuenemann
[04:06] <ubotu> Schuenemann: firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[04:06] <campbch> is there a way to check to see if i have gltk.h?
[04:07] <Schuenemann> I did, but it was not easy
[04:07] <campbch> or if it would be #incude able?
[04:07] <Jucato> Schuenemann: well, I don't know why they haven't backported Firefox 2.0 to Dapper....
[04:07] <Schuenemann> and I won't auto-update, I believe
[04:07] <Jucato> it never auto-updates
[04:07] <Schuenemann> Jucato: it seems that they forget about previous versions
[04:07] <mariano_> so, is this flash player issue common?
[04:07] <Admiral_Chicago> yea thats the one major thing of 1.5
[04:07] <campbch> !opengl
[04:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:07] <Schuenemann> it won't update if you install with apt-get? :-O
[04:07] <campbch> !gl
[04:07] <mariano_> Is it  a bug open for  research
[04:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:07] <Jucato> of course not. Dapper is LTS, they cannot forget about that. must be a technical issue
[04:08] <Jucato> Schuenemann: nope. it shouldn't... it's a security/stability risk if you just update directly from Firefox...
[04:08] <campbch> :(
[04:08] <BombTron> hello, my hard drive keeps filling up with I don't know what. Any good utilities to clean up my disk?
[04:08] <Schuenemann> really? windows does that
[04:08] <ForgeAus> can konversation open more than one server?
[04:08] <Schuenemann> yes
[04:08] <Admiral_Chicago> ForgeAus: of course
[04:09] <ForgeAus> so if I type /server xxx it will open a second one? or disconnect this one?
[04:09] <Admiral_Chicago> apt-get isn't the fx auto updater though
[04:09] <mariano_> does anyone in here have a working flash player
[04:09] <Ertain> Hello everyone.
[04:09] <mariano_> with video and audio
[04:09] <Admiral_Chicago> dc, you need to try /connect iirc
[04:09] <Schuenemann> Admiral_Chicago: but won't it warn there is a new version when you open fx?
[04:09] <Admiral_Chicago> mariano_:
[04:09] <mariano_> or do you guys use a different codec or program to view  flash
[04:09] <Admiral_Chicago> i do
[04:09] <mister_roboto> There is no way to detach a Konversation tab to a separate window, is there?
[04:10] <Schuenemann> ForgeAus: click file > server list > new server
[04:10] <Jucato> Schuenemann: windows doesn't have apt-get (or a stable package management system) does it?
[04:10] <mariano_> windows
[04:10] <mariano_> lol
[04:10] <mariano_> windows has wizard
[04:10] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm not sure, I'd suggest you just follow my link..
[04:10] <Schuenemann> no, I mean firefox in windows has an auto-update
[04:10] <Ertain> I don't know if I have fully upgraded to 6.10.  First I installed Drake months ago.  Now I'm trying to upgrade to Edgy.  My sources haven't changed since the initial install.
[04:10] <mariano_> I hate to say it, but it has never given me a problem
[04:10] <mariano_> yea
[04:10] <Admiral_Chicago> Ertain: you arent
[04:11] <Jucato> Schuenemann: it's because windows has no way to ensure system stability with every install/upgrade the apps on it do.
[04:11] <mariano_> yes,  firefox does have an auto update in windows
[04:11] <Admiral_Chicago> mariano_: it gave me problems
[04:11] <BombTron> how do you get a list of just installed programs in adept
[04:11] <Admiral_Chicago> it was not free
[04:11] <fnord__> !grue
[04:11] <ubotu> The grue is a sinister, lurking presence in the dark places of the earth. Its favorite diet is adventurers, but its insatiable appetite is tempered by its fear of light. No grue has ever been seen by the light of day, and few have survived its fearsome jaws to tell the tale. Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grue_(monster)
[04:11] <mariano_> really, the only problem that I have had with windows is spyware
[04:11] <mariano_> and ads
[04:11] <mariano_> that is all
[04:11] <Jucato> Schuenemann: the reason why it's not recommended to simply auto-update firefox (which you can still do, I think) is because an update might cause some stability problems
[04:11] <Schuenemann> so help > check updates is grayed for everyone using linux?
[04:11] <mariano_> oh, and my bank ends up at - whenever I want a new application
[04:12] <Schuenemann> Jucato: by auto-update I mean to warn you when new updates are available
[04:12] <BombTron> hmm not so helpful today are we
[04:12] <Jucato> Schuenemann: also, remember that in Linux, apps are mostly installed by root. so updating would require you to be root.
[04:12] <mariano_> money is the biggest reason for my searching for a windows alternative
[04:12] <Jucato> Schuenemann: yes
[04:12] <Jucato> BombTron: just uncheck some of the filters in Adept, and leave the "installed" filter enabled
[04:12] <fnord__> whats a grue?
[04:12] <Schuenemann> well that's horrible
[04:13] <fnord__> is it like grub?
[04:13] <Schuenemann> it's something creepy
[04:13] <mariano_> so any  alternatives to this flash player deal
[04:13] <fnord__> yup seems like it
[04:13] <Schuenemann> according to the bot, at least
[04:13] <BombTron> Jucato: thank you can i then sort by size
[04:14] <Jucato> hm.. not really sure...
[04:14] <BombTron> Jucato: I want to get some junk out
[04:14] <mister_roboto> fnord__: guess not too many young folks here played the original text game Adventure :)
[04:14] <fnord__> ah
[04:14] <ForgeAus> is there a way to on-the-fly reset the main taskbar/panel?
[04:14] <Schuenemann> Jucato: anyway, everytime I ask for something people assume I'm using edgy
[04:14] <mariano_> linux is perfect for my dissertation
[04:14] <Jucato> Schuenemann: heh get used to it :)
[04:14] <fnord__> oh yea i rember that know,i think it played it on unix like forever ago
[04:14] <Jucato> Schuenemann: but doesn't mean you *should* be using Edgy if you don't want/need to
[04:14] <mister_roboto> fnord__: exactly :)
[04:15] <fnord__> not very much but a few times
[04:15] <ForgeAus> no matter I gotta quit soon anyway
[04:15] <ForgeAus> see if I can add some gb to this hdd
[04:15] <mister_roboto> fnord__:  you can still find it online in various languages
[04:15] <fnord__> yup
[04:15] <Schuenemann> I guess I'll use edgy
[04:15] <fnord__> whats kickoff like
[04:15] <Jucato> !upgrade | Schuenemann
[04:15] <ubotu> Schuenemann: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[04:15] <Schuenemann> and get rid of the suse as well
[04:15] <mariano_> suse is slow
[04:16] <mariano_> booting to suse takes years
[04:16] <Schuenemann> on a 1.5 GHz 384 RAM it takes decades
[04:16] <max_> is there anything like Mac application dock (at the bottom of the screen) in Kubuntu
[04:16] <fnord__> whats elkbuntu?
[04:16] <fnord__> !elkbuntu
[04:16] <ubotu> elkbuntu is cute
[04:16] <fnord__> lol
[04:16] <max_> haha
[04:16] <mariano_> i tried that mint
[04:17] <mariano_> it was cool
[04:17] <mariano_> but same issue with flash
[04:17] <mariano_> lol
[04:17] <max_> my dad runs Mint
[04:17] <Admiral_Chicago> fnord__: that is a Me;issa
[04:17] <Admiral_Chicago> melissa*, she is a developer
[04:17] <fnord__> think ubotu has a crush
[04:17] <fnord__> ahh
[04:17] <fnord__> thanks
[04:17] <Jucato> fnord__: elkbuntu is the irc nick of Melissa Draper
[04:17] <mariano_> i'm so desperate that I might try to copy the flash player codec in my laptop and put it in my pc
[04:17] <mariano_> maybe that will work
[04:17] <mariano_> lol
[04:17] <fnord__> yup
[04:18] <Schuenemann> Jucato: so I won't download the ISO, burn on a CD and etc, etc ?
[04:18] <Jucato> Schuenemann: no need to if you have the bandwidth
[04:19] <Jucato> hm... I wonder...
[04:19] <Jucato> !marilize
[04:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about marilize - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:19] <Jucato> heh :P
[04:19] <Schuenemann> something tells me it's safer
[04:19] <jojay33> !opt
[04:19] <ubotu> opt: Options Parsing Tool library. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.19-1 (edgy), package size 73 kB, installed size 260 kB
[04:19] <jojay33> woops
[04:19] <Schuenemann> to remove everything
[04:19] <Jucato> Schuenemann: fresh install? yep. safer and less problematic
[04:19] <Jucato> Schuenemann: if you have your /home on another partition, that's better
[04:19] <max_> is there anything like Mac application dock (at the bottom of the screen) in Kubuntu
[04:19] <Schuenemann> I haven't installed too much stuff
[04:20] <mariano_> max, all the docks i've tried are buggy
[04:20] <mariano_> or so I think so
[04:20] <Schuenemann> !karamba
[04:20] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[04:20] <Jucato> !kxdocker | max_
[04:20] <ubotu> kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4a-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 327 kB, installed size 1064 kB
[04:20] <troy> hey, is OOo 2.1 available for edgy?
[04:20] <mariano_> maybe if you are more experienced, you wont have any trouble
[04:20] <Jucato> mariano_: they're not that buggy
[04:20] <BombTron> So no one knows a good way to clean up a disk, I got a 35 gig drive as boot with nothing else but Kubuntu on it and it is nearly full
[04:20] <BombTron> what is going on
[04:20] <Schuenemann> Karamba is a dock, right?
[04:20] <mariano_> well, something must be wrong with my installation then
[04:21] <mariano_> or the three installations of kubuntu that i've done
[04:21] <troy> BombTron: check the size of something like the /tmp and /var directories... something could be running away there
[04:21] <BombTron> troy: I'll check it
[04:22] <BombTron> troy: var is a gig
[04:22] <mariano_> max, let me know what you think about kxdocker
[04:22] <BombTron> troy: tmp is negligable
[04:22] <troy> hrmm - var is probably storing a complete backlog of all updated packages retrieved via apt-get upgrade (or adept)
[04:22] <Schuenemann> !eye candy
[04:22] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[04:23] <Schuenemann> !troll
[04:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about troll - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:23] <BombTron> troy: is that bad?
[04:23] <max_> !mint
[04:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mint - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:23] <BluesKaj> !OO
[04:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about OO - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:23] <Admiral_Chicago> !botabuse
[04:23] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[04:23] <BluesKaj> !Open Office
[04:23] <troy> BombTron: no, it's normal - but you can delete the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives if that helps :)
[04:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Open Office - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:23] <max_> !OpenOffice
[04:23] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[04:23] <BombTron> troy: any other ideas of where to look
[04:24] <BombTron> troy: usr is 2 gigs and counting
[04:24] <BluesKaj> dumb bots , can't read past space :)
[04:25] <troy> BombTron: usr is installed programs and related files... you could take a closer look to see what you could uninstall (via adept_manager or somesuch)
[04:25] <troy> BombTron: I'll bet /home is the biggest, no?
[04:25] <fnord__> !love
[04:25] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[04:25] <robotgeek> lol
[04:26] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, please use the /msg !
[04:26] <fnord__> sorry
[04:26] <fnord__> just larning all the fun things ubotu can do
[04:27] <fnord__> so i would type /msg !something?
[04:27] <fnord__> or /msg fnord5 !something?
[04:27] <troy> fnord__: /msg ubotu something
[04:28] <Jucato> !ubotu | fnord__
[04:28] <ubotu> fnord__: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[04:35] <max_> would you recommend Kiba-Dock or KxDocker
[04:37] <fnord__> never tried ether
[04:44] <velle> is there a way to turn arround the screen 90 degrees, i want to put my monitor on the side, and then still have the text in horisontal
[04:45] <velle> ie i want to change something in kubuntu or kde software
[04:47] <BombTron> where does the trash exsist in the file hirarchy?
[04:47] <Jucato> ~/.local/share/Trash ?
[04:48] <BombTron> Jucato: where is that
[04:48] <BombTron> Jucato: inside home?
[04:49] <Hawkwind> Yes
[04:49] <Jucato> yes. ~ = /home/user
[04:49] <Hawkwind> ~/ = users home directory
[04:49] <velle> BombTron ~ always means home
[04:50] <BombTron> velle: oh thank you
[04:50] <BombTron> velle: wasn't sure
[04:52] <max_> would you recommend Kiba-Dock or KxDocker
[04:53] <velle> BombTron: so can you find your trash?  :)
[05:06] <BrianSteffens> ok i have my smb shared folder mounted and everything. but now there is an icon on the desktop for it. how can i make it not show up there?
[05:07] <Dr_willis> 'configure desktop -> behiavor"
[05:08] <BrianSteffens> ty
[05:08] <tdr> Is there a place to send postive feedback to kubuntu?
[05:09] <Dr_willis> the homepage?
[05:09] <tdr> there's not a real clear link tho. closest i found was one for Canonical Ltd
[05:10] <Skeez187> Is it possible to remote desktop from Kubuntu to XP?
[05:11] <tdr> krdc  = kde remote desktop client
[05:11] <Skeez187> Sweeeeet
[05:11] <Skeez187> Thank you kind sir
[05:12] <Dr_willis> or check out vnc
[05:12] <Dr_willis> not sure if theres a freenx client for winmdows yet.
[05:17] <seven11_> kubuntu is nice with automount external devices, but as soon as i umount lets say an usb stick i cant mount it anymore not with mount /media/UDISK 2.0 and also not with mount /dev/sda1  i get the error not found in fstab
[05:18] <seven11_> so all i can do is unplug the stick and put it in again?
[05:19] <seven11_> someone a idea how to mount again?
[05:24] <max_> !deb
[05:24] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[05:29] <snook353> what does it want?  "if you have a router/firewall, please check that you have port 16179 UDP open.  Decentralised tracking requires this."
[05:30] <snook353> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Datagram_Protocol
[05:31] <snook353> (using kaffeine)
[05:33] <charles> hi
[05:33] <charles> just trying out konversation
[05:33] <charles> thought i'd say hullo
[05:34] <MuJ> hullo
[05:34] <snook353> *man udp*
[05:34] <charles> i will say that ubunty edgy is really the first linux distro i really dig
[05:34] <oem> yeah
[05:34] <charles> if any ubuntu volunteers are here
[05:34] <oem> it kicks major ass
[05:35] <charles> and it *hasn't* broken on me yet
[05:35] <oem> get kubuntu though
[05:35] <charles> i installed kubuntu-desktop
[05:35] <charles> so i have it
[05:35] <oem> KDE is much better than gnome any way you slice it in my opinion
[05:35] <oem> kool
[05:35] <snook353> brb
[05:35] <charles> i'm impressed by both
[05:35] <charles> but i always have problems with running gtk/gnome programs under kde
[05:36] <MuJ> what problems?
[05:36] <snook353> b
[05:36] <charles> for some reason, if I ever clicked on the GTK+ styles tab in kcontrol, it seemed to add something to my startup session
[05:37] <charles> so that whenever i started up a gtk application, it would revert to the default gtk style
[05:37] <MuJ> oh..
[05:37] <oem> finally got a good linux admin book today, i cant wait to get out of my windows career and into a linux career, gonna get my linux+, then LPI 1 and 2
[05:37] <charles> regardless of the theme i chose in kcontrol
[05:37] <charles> EVEN when i logged into gnome
[05:37] <charles> gnome-theme-manager was powerless to change a thing
[05:38] <charles> and if i chose certain themes from kcontrol, any gtk app i loaded would segfault on launch
[05:38] <charles> anyone using beryl, et al?
[05:39] <max_> i am
[05:39] <charles> tell me something
[05:39] <joshual> finally got my nick back... someone had been using my registered nick for a week!
[05:39] <charles> i assume it's impossible to use w/ just fb support, but i'd like to hear to the contrary
[05:39] <oem> god i hate windows vista lol
[05:39] <oem> thanx for all your help guys
[05:39] <max_> charles: fb?
[05:39] <charles> framebuffer
[05:39] <oem> getting all this shit to work anyways
[05:39] <oem> i really appreciate it
[05:40] <max_> whats that? haha
[05:40] <oem> linux
[05:40] <oem> lol
[05:40] <seven11_> oem: what book
[05:40] <charles> like can you have an unaccellerated beryl-composited desktop
[05:40] <charles> or do you need videocard support
[05:40] <max_> what videocard do you have
[05:41] <charles> it's in parallels
[05:41] <charles> virtual machine software
[05:42] <seven11_> anyone have links to good linux help pdf's
[05:42] <max_> beryll will prettymuch work with anything
[05:43] <oem> i had to use 4 gigs of ram to run vista good
[05:43] <oem> and now since i puton kubuntu my computer halls ass LOL
[05:43] <BrianSteffens> 4 gigs of ram to run vista right?
[05:44] <oem> 2 gigs minimum
[05:44] <kkathman> 4gb??  man what system did you have!! I ran mine on a single gb :)
[05:44] <oem> but 4 if you want it to hall as bro
[05:44] <max_> 1gb min
[05:44] <kkathman> geez it ran fine with my 1gb
[05:44] <oem> depends on which version
[05:44] <BrianSteffens> and on the settings
[05:44] <oem> i ran the ultimate edition
[05:44] <max_> i thought consumer vista wasnt out yet?
[05:44] <oem> which BTW i have a MSDN subscription so anyone who wants a VALID key for vista let me know
[05:45] <kkathman> you can download pre-release versions readily
[05:45] <oem> yeah, bit torrent rules
[05:45] <oem> lol
[05:45] <max_> windows sucks
[05:45] <kkathman> Im not spending any upgrade charges ATM for Vista when it comes out,
[05:45] <max_> oem: if you have 4gb are you doing any beryl?
[05:45] <kkathman> windows doesnt suck..its just an alternative OS
[05:46] <kkathman> everything sucks to a degree :)
[05:46] <oem> i like XP
[05:46] <kkathman> haha
[05:46] <oem> sort of
[05:46] <oem> lol
[05:46] <oem> but i dont like the idea of windows
[05:46] <max_> kkathman: no, windoes just plane sucks
[05:46] <kkathman> nah it doesnt suck any more or less than other OS's :)
[05:46] <oem> i met bill gates, only once, and only for 5 minutes, he came to dell once, and he is a genius but an ASSHOLE
[05:46] <max_> yes it does
[05:46] <kkathman> there IS no perfect OS
[05:47] <max_> never said there was
[05:47] <max_> but when an OSW keeps everything secret thats stupid
[05:47] <oem> i agree max
[05:47] <max_> i installed XP and it had installed 2gb it wouldnot tell me where it was or what was on it
[05:47] <max_> it was just like it dissappeared
[05:47] <kkathman> i was in a room once with both Dell and Gates  was pretty interesting..but both were nice enough to me at least :)
[05:47] <max_> and 2gb on a 5gb drive, thats ALOT
[05:48] <oem> lol
[05:48] <oem> you mean ram or hd space max?
[05:48] <max_> HD space
[05:48] <BrianSteffens> winxp is great for a lot of things
[05:48] <BrianSteffens> casual users shouldn't bother with something like linux
[05:48] <BrianSteffens> for them windows is good
[05:49] <oem> linux sucks as a desktop OS for normal users
[05:49] <max_> dont say that
[05:49] <oem> but for nerds it rules lol
[05:49] <oem> and for servers its AWESOME
[05:49] <BrianSteffens> haha yea oem
[05:49] <max_> linux need to be for everyone
[05:49] <oem> it will be eventually
[05:49] <oem> it is better and better
[05:49] <oem> and better
[05:49] <oem> lol
[05:49] <max_> linux is going on all the OLPCs
[05:49] <aseigo> oem: depends which 'normal user' you refer to
[05:49] <oem> just takes time
[05:49] <oem> a non power user
[05:49] <aseigo> lots of them use kde/linux
[05:50] <aseigo> most of them, however, do so in a managed environment such as an office or school
[05:50] <oem> yeah
[05:51] <oem> they need to watch revolution OS lol
[05:51] <aseigo> home users, on the other hand, we're really doing poorly for them due mostly to lack of linux hardware offerings (pc's and notebooks) and application coverage (particularly games)
[05:51] <MuJ> I just don't get how the kids learned to use dos years ago if they can't learn to use linux these days =/
[05:51] <oem> which BTW, if any of you havent seen it, download it off of mininova and convert it, it is worth it trust me
[05:51] <BrianSteffens> you can pretty much get almost anything to work on linux
[05:51] <oem> yeah lol
[05:51] <BrianSteffens> it's just a matter of how much time you want to spend working with it
[05:51] <oem> i agree muj
[05:51] <BrianSteffens> lol
[05:52] <kkathman> you use what you are taught or what is necessary to do whatever you do
[05:52] <BrianSteffens> mostly the reason i'm loving linux so far is i missed being able to do everything in the console
[05:52] <deus> hey, does anyone here know k3b?
[05:52] <max_> i do
[05:52] <oem> i do
[05:52] <oem> it RULES
[05:52] <deus> I told it to verify writen data
[05:52] <deus> it seems to have stalled
[05:52] <oem> it sure kicks the shit out of nero
[05:52] <BrianSteffens> all i know is it's the best software of that type i've ever used O_O
[05:52] <deus> its doing a whole lot of nothing
[05:52] <oem> the only way i can watch dvds on linux is to use WINE and powerDVD lol
[05:53] <BrianSteffens> really oem? x64?
[05:53] <deus> it says it "closing session"
[05:53] <deus> but its not doing anything
[05:54] <max_> oem: you tried oKIe?
[05:54] <deus> It looks like the main writing part has finished, do you think its safe to remove the cd?
[05:54] <deus> im trying to burn an iso
[05:54] <BrianSteffens> i couldn't get dvds to play on kubuntu 64 but now i'm using 32 and it was pretty easy
[05:54] <oem> yup
[05:54] <oem> yeah
[05:54] <oem> 64
[05:54] <BrianSteffens> ah ><
[05:55] <oem> linux was 64 way b4 windows
[05:55] <oem> i used to use fedora, but when kubuntu came out i threw that crap away lol
[05:55] <oem> well, fedora is not bad
[05:55] <oem> its just not kubuntu
[05:55] <deus> whats the deal was 64?  I want to build a 64 bit computer
[05:55] <oem> get a 64 bit processor
[05:56] <oem> and motherboard
[05:56] <oem> and then you are good to go
[05:56] <MuJ> it supports more than 4GB ram
[05:56] <oem> DO NOT get an itanium
[05:56] <oem> linux doesnt work in a true 64 bit env. yet
[05:56] <BrianSteffens> amd64 ftw
[05:56] <BrianSteffens> lol
[05:56] <deus> I havent heard of anyone using intel64
[05:57] <oem> i use it
[05:57] <oem> it rules
[05:57] <oem> lol
[05:58] <deus> you think intel64 is better than amd64?
[05:58] <oem> god i wish i could log into root in kubuntu
[05:58] <oem> thats what i miss in fedora
[05:58] <oem> man i cant wait to get started reading this huge linux book lol
[05:58] <oem> i cant wait to learn and learn and learn about this VAST OS
[05:58] <kkathman> oem why do you need to log to root?
[05:59] <oem> admin
[05:59] <oem> command line
[05:59] <oem> shell
[05:59] <oem> etc.
[05:59] <kkathman> you can always use sudo for most things, and if you absolutely need to go to root you can
[05:59] <BrianSteffens> sudo?
[05:59] <oem> i am just starting to learn it
[05:59] <BrianSteffens> lol
[05:59] <oem> yeah
[05:59] <oem> super user do
[05:59] <deus> go to the console
[05:59] <deus> type su
[05:59] <deus> type you admin password
[05:59] <oem> ok
[05:59] <deus> and your good to go
[05:59] <Hawkwind> You can setup a traditional root account in split seconds
[05:59] <oem> so type su
[05:59] <oem> and hit enter?
[05:59] <kkathman> exactly
[05:59] <oem> then my admin password
[06:00] <stdin> sudo not su
[06:00] <oem> ?
[06:00] <kkathman> su also
[06:00] <deus> sudo to do it in one line
[06:00] <max_> can someone recomment a OSX type application docker
[06:00] <stdin> sudo su will work
[06:00] <Hawkwind> Or sudo -i
[06:00] <deus> su to do it in multiple lines
[06:00] <stdin> or sudo -i
[06:00] <stdin> or sudo -s
[06:00] <deus> sudo su?
[06:00] <oem> i do that but everytime i put in my password it says FUCK YOU lol
[06:00] <kkathman> oem:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7118.html
[06:00] <Hawkwind> oem: Please watch the language
[06:00] <kkathman> please watch the language
[06:01] <oem> ok sorry
[06:01] <oem> will do
[06:01] <Hawkwind> !root | oem
[06:01] <oem> it says authentication failure every time :(
[06:01] <ubotu> oem: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:01] <kkathman> btw evening Hawkwind :)
[06:01] <kkathman> well at least here it is :)
[06:01] <deus> shouldnt sudo su ask you for your password twice and then put you in super user mode?
[06:01] <stdin> oem, you made sure to type your user pass, not a root pass ?
[06:01] <deus> why does it just do nothing on my computer?
[06:02] <oem> i type the password i set in the install
[06:02] <seven11_> Hawkwind: how do i set up a traditional root account (nice name by the way)
[06:02] <max_> can someone recomment a OSX type application docker
[06:03] <flaccid> !kxdocker
[06:04] <ubotu> kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4a-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 327 kB, installed size 1064 kB
[06:04] <kkathman> max_ try kxdocker
[06:04] <kkathman> oops
[06:04] <kkathman> hehe
[06:05] <max_> kkathman: i installed it and it never worked
[06:07] <Hawkwind> !root | seven11_
[06:07] <ubotu> seven11_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:07] <Hawkwind> seven11_: IIRC it tells you on that page
[06:07] <Hawkwind> seven11_: Or, sudo passwd or sudo passwd su  will do it too
[06:07] <seven11_> thanks hawkwind
[06:08] <Hawkwind> No problem
[06:09] <circ_> anyone know alot about setting up the ati drivers?
[06:10] <oem> ubotu THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:10] <oem> hahaha
[06:10] <oem> and its a bot
[06:10] <oem> someone please beat me up
[06:10] <oem> ill even pay you
[06:10] <oem> lol
[06:12] <oem> ill talk to u gentlemen tomorrow
[06:12] <oem> thanx again!
[06:13] <kkathman> night oem
[06:15] <Hawkwind> !ati | circ_
[06:15] <ubotu> circ_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:18] <circ_> ya ive done all of those guides
[06:19] <circ_> was wondering if anyone could decode the error messages
[06:28] <kakalto> is there an upgrade path to go from 6.06-x86 to 6.10-amd64
[06:28] <kakalto> ?
[06:28] <fnord5> oem: did you install under oem mode or did yu just get a new box with kubuntu installed?
[06:29] <oem> oem mode
[06:29] <kakalto> does anyone know about upgrading from x86 to amd64 versions?\
[06:29] <matthew> kakalto, I don't know that it can be done
[06:29] <oem> yeah
[06:30] <oem> you have to reformat bro
[06:30] <oem> kakalto u have to download the 64 bit, and just format/install, boot off the CD and go from there
[06:32] <kakalto> is it possible to mount a cd image on one machine, then boot off that image on a different machine on the network?
[06:32] <Dr_willis> kakalto,  i saw some docs on making a PXE (net boot) machine that lets other machines netboot/install from it. just now. :)
[06:33] <kakalto> Dr_willis: link please? (I thought it was just an insane idea)
[06:33] <max_> can someone please tell me where window transparency is in Beryl?
[06:33] <Dr_willis> http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_pxe_install_server
[06:33] <Dr_willis> BUt you need a machine running ubuntu - that you set up to allow the other machines to boot from/install from.
[06:34] <Dr_willis> Now what would be cool.. would be a live cd that could install, and allow netboot-installs also.
[06:34] <kakalto> is it not possible from another distro?
[06:34] <kakalto> eg, gentoo?
[06:35] <Dr_willis> kakalto,  proberly is.
[06:35] <Dr_willis> should be at least.. Linux is Linux. :)
[06:35] <kakalto> =)
[06:35] <Dr_willis> install the right pxe/tftp stuff and away ya go.
[06:35] <andy__> anyone had problems connecting to yahoo email with firefox browser?
[06:36] <Dr_willis> that SaxenOS live cd. could netboot othe rmachines :) you could have 4+ machines all using the same live cd.
[06:38] <Conor> hello
[06:38] <Conor> this is deus
[06:39] <Conor> Im having trouble getting a liveCD to run on my computer
[06:39] <Dr_willis> kakalto,  that URL i just noticed has a link to a VMWARE image for the install 'system' - ya could take any os and use vmware, and have it going in a few min.
[06:40] <unix_infidel> anyone here got a metasploit lab here running on a deb based system?
[06:40] <Dr_willis> kakalto,  but they want $$ to become a subscriber to get that image.. bummer.
[06:40] <unix_infidel> or any sort of that test lab?
[06:42] <Dr_willis> well bbl.
[06:43] <olodumare> Hello all!
[06:43] <olodumare> Looking for a little assistance, have I come to the right place?
[06:44] <kkerwin> olodumare: What's up?
[06:44] <Conor> I get the boot from the kubuntu liveCD (edgy 6.10) and choose to boot kubuntu, but halfway through the boot, it hangs
[06:44] <Conor> The cd works on other computers, and other versions of linux run fine on this computer
[06:45] <olodumare> kkerwin: Trying to connect a palm pilot, but it doesn't have the decency to show up in dev
[06:45] <genii> matthew Heyas :)
[06:45] <kkerwin> olodumare: Hmm. Sounds like a driver issue. One sec.
[06:45] <matthew> genii, what's up?
[06:45] <olodumare> kerwin: tyty
[06:46] <matthew> genii, deus was looking for ya...
[06:46] <matthew> genii, he's not here now, of course
[06:46] <Conor> hey genii
[06:46] <Conor> Im deus
[06:46] <Conor> sorry
[06:46] <genii> Conor Hello
[06:46] <matthew> lol
[06:46] <Conor> so, no progress
[06:46] <genii> :(
[06:46] <Conor> I burned the DVD, and tried to boot it
[06:47] <Conor> but my computer just made some griding sounds and delivered me to my regular boot loader
[06:47] <Conor> Is there a trick to loading liveDVDs?
[06:47] <genii> Nah, should be just like a regular CD
[06:47] <_kuja_> Indeed
[06:48] <kkerwin> olodumare: Do you know how to use a terminal?
[06:48] <olodumare> kkerwin:  yessir
[06:48] <Conor> groan
[06:48] <kkerwin> olodumare: "sudo lsmod | grep visor"
[06:48] <Conor> okay, i just ran a memtest
[06:48] <kkerwin> olodumare: "sudo lsmod | grep usb-uhci"
[06:48] <seven11> how do i install a manualy downloaded package (.gz) which didn't get through apt-get update
[06:48] <genii> Conor Do you have any kind of budget for this?
[06:48] <Conor> the screens a little cryptic
[06:48] <kkerwin> olodumare: "sudo lsmod | grep usb-ohci"
[06:48] <Conor> genii, idealy
[06:48] <Zamber> omg xD http://www.hackles.org/cgi-bin/archives.pl?request=94
[06:49] <Conor> genii: $0
[06:49] <kkerwin> olodumare: Tell me which, if any, are loaded.
[06:49] <Conor> genii: what do you want me to pay?
[06:49] <olodumare> kkerwin: I got no feedback from the terminal whatsoever
[06:49] <olodumare> kkerwin: aside from asking for a pw
[06:50] <kkerwin> olodumare: Okie dokie. Run "sudo modprobe visor"
[06:50] <matthew> Conor, I would buy an nvidia card on ebay
[06:50] <genii> conor LOL ...OK.. I was thinking if you had about $10 you could get a laptop HD adapter which would let you plug it into the desktop. Then you can just dump all the install stuff to it, etc
[06:50] <kkerwin> olodumare: Then run those above commands again.
[06:50] <matthew> genii, still don't think it's the vid card?
[06:50] <Conor> genii: could you explain that?
[06:50] <Conor> matthew: Its a laptop. I cant just swap out the video card
[06:51] <matthew> Conor, gosh darnit, I keep forgetting
[06:51] <genii> matthew Nah, I'm pretty convinced it's the CD drive. Theres a small chance it's not but we know it fails the cd check on the laptop but not the desktop
[06:51] <olodumare> kkerwin: Ok, the first one gave a result,
[06:51] <Conor> wait, genii, I got it to pass the cd test
[06:51] <kkerwin> olodumare: And the others?
[06:51] <genii> conor On the laptop?
[06:51] <kkerwin> olodumare: If not, modprobe those as well.
[06:51] <Conor> yeah
[06:51] <olodumare> kkerwin: nothing on the others
[06:51] <olodumare> kk
[06:52] <genii> conor OK.. so then it starts to boot but then hangs now?
[06:52] <Conor> yeah
[06:52] <genii> conor Did you try the safe mode
[06:52] <Conor> yeah
[06:52] <olodumare> kkerwin: on the first one: "FATAL: Module usb_uhci not found."
[06:53] <genii> conor How much ram?
[06:53] <olodumare> kkerwin: same on ochi
[06:53] <kkerwin> olodumare: Hmm. Ok. Maybe it was built directly into the kernel. Replug your palm, and then check in /dev again.
[06:53] <Conor> 2 GB, but it seems like only 1 gig actually gets used
[06:53] <kkerwin> olodumare: You're looking for /dev/ttyUSB1.
[06:53] <Conor> genii: anyway, someone told me to try the "noacpi" option, but that didnt help
[06:53] <genii> anything over 192 should work fine.
[06:54] <genii> conor Yeah thats sometimes for problemmatic laptops like Dell etc
[06:54] <Conor> alright, here it goes
[06:54] <olodumare> kkerwin:  Yeah, plenty of tty, but nothing with USB after it
[06:54] <Conor> I ran it in safe graphics mode, and I get this little bouncing progress bar, genii
[06:54] <genii> There are other boot options which may be useful but I'd have to look them up
[06:55] <Conor> but then it just jams
[06:55] <kkerwin> olodumare: Okie dokie. Check the last few lines of dmesg for your palm.
[06:55] <Conor> genii: where do you look them up?
[06:55] <genii> conor Can you get to the terminal?
[06:55] <kkerwin> olodumare: See if it provides any clues as to where it is. Different distros put it in different spots.
[06:55] <genii> eg: ctrl-f1 or f2 f3 f4 etc etc
[06:55] <kkerwin> olodumare: The last time I used a palm with linux, it was when I was using Gentoo.
[06:56] <olodumare> kkerwin: drivers/usb/serial/visor.c:
[06:56] <genii> conor Some of the boot options are on the cd when you hit f1 f2 etc before it starts loading. they have some options described for different layout of hardware etc
[06:56] <Conor> genii: I cant seem to do it
[06:56] <kkerwin> olodumare: You know what. I still have my old palm. Let me grab it and try this myself. I should be able to do a better job if I don't have to guess. :-)
[06:56] <Conor> yeah
[06:56] <Conor> genii: I have: F1 help
[06:57] <Conor> F2 Language
[06:57] <olodumare> kkerwin:  Thanks so much!
[06:57] <Conor> F3 Keymap (Dvorak!)
[06:57] <Conor> F4: VGA
[06:57] <genii> conor Yeh, there should also be (if I remember) f5 f6 etc for some special boot options etc
[06:57] <Conor> F5 Accessibility
[06:57] <Conor> F6, boot options
[06:57] <genii> f6
[06:57] <kkerwin> olodumare: Rats. The battery is out.
[06:58] <olodumare> kkerwin: Ha!
[06:58] <kkerwin> olodumare: Let's give it a couple of minutes to charge, and then we'll try it again.
[06:58] <genii> the noacpi for instance is listed. You could try the rescue kernel
[06:58] <kkerwin> olodumare: In the meantime, let's see what we can find on the wiki ...
[06:58] <Conor> genii: okay, it gives me a long string
[06:58] <olodumare> kkerwin: sounds good!
[06:58] <genii> conor gimme a minute to research and i'll be back :)
[06:59] <olodumare> kkerwin:  It is a palm zire 31, which has all sorts of issues, as I understand it, but most of them occur after this point
[06:59] <kkerwin> Okie dokie.
[06:59] <Conor> genii: actually, it gives me a line of text that I can edit
[06:59] <Conor> I assume that I can pass it different options
[06:59] <genii> conor yes
[06:59] <kkerwin> Oooh. Look at that. Right on the money: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PalmZire31HowTo
[07:00] <kkerwin> olodumare: Poke. Above. Sorry to not have included your name.
[07:00] <olodumare> kkerwin: sok
[07:00] <kkerwin> olodumare: Ooops. On second though, it doesn't appear to be what we're looking for.
[07:01] <Conor> genii: the help menu says to run noapic nol apic
[07:01] <genii> conor try as options: nomce noapic pci=biosirq
[07:01] <kkerwin> olodumare: Try: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PalmDeviceSetup
[07:02] <kkerwin> olodumare: Oh duh.
[07:02] <kkerwin> olodumare: Now I remember.
[07:02] <kkerwin> olodumare: It only appears in /dev when you press the hotsync button.
[07:02] <Conor> genii: okay, its going
[07:02] <olodumare> kkerwin: I did try that
[07:02] <genii> conor let me know if it goes further than before, or same/less/different etc
[07:02] <kkerwin> olodumare: Was that before or after modprobing the modules?
[07:03] <olodumare> kkerwin: after
[07:03] <Conor> genii: well, the progress bar stalled again
[07:03] <kkerwin> Crap.
[07:03] <genii> conor Well give it a few minutes. I've seen it take sometimes 3-4 minutes
[07:04] <Conor> genii: btw, when this happens, I have to unplug the computer and remove the battery to get it to shut down
[07:04] <kkerwin> olodumare: Exploring. One sec ...
[07:04] <olodumare> kkerwin: Thanks again!
[07:04] <genii> conor ouch :)
[07:04] <kkerwin> olodumare: Continue looking on help.ubuntu.com
[07:04] <Conor> is there a way around that?  some sort of alt-ctrl-del?
[07:04] <billybong> anybody here use the "S3 Savage 2k" or "S3 UniChrome 2D/3D" video card in X ?
[07:05] <genii> I'll be back in a couple mins... need coffee etc
[07:07] <matthew> hey genii-around how long did you sleep?
[07:07] <joshual> anyone happen to get google earth to run??
[07:08] <genii-around> matthew 14 hours :)
[07:08] <Conor> genii-around?
[07:08] <genii> conor researching some obscure boot options to pass the kernel
[07:08] <Conor> are you the same person as genni?
[07:09] <Conor> thanks genii
[07:09] <genii> conor LOL Yeah when I go do something etc I change my nick
[07:09] <Conor> it hasnt done anything yet, and it sounds like its reading stuff of the cd drive.
[07:10] <billybong> anybody?
[07:10] <genii> conor Looks like yer not the only one with this particular issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7867
[07:10] <Conor> actually, it sounds like how a cd bruner sounds
[07:11] <Conor> this sounds allittle different
[07:11] <Conor> firstly, it was an older version of ubuntu
[07:11] <Conor> and his computer crashed, not hung
[07:12] <Conor> okay, so what do you think?
[07:13] <Conor> hey, should crash and restart my computer now?
[07:13] <kerwonz> hi, how can i enable 3D for intel video card?
[07:13] <kkerwin> olodumare: You still there?
[07:13] <genii> conor Looks like using "noacpi" was his solution... I am also finding some ppl saying there is some thermal acpi problems stuff etc..looking into it now
[07:14] <olodumare> kkerwin: yep.  This is my mother's palm/linux thing going on here, and she tried some fixes earlier.  She changed the customrules files
[07:14] <kkerwin> Uh oh.
[07:14] <olodumare> kkerwin:  It looked like she was looking at an old thread for breezy
[07:14] <olodumare> kkerwin: So I undid that
[07:14] <Conor> genii: I tried the noacpi option, it didnt help
[07:14] <kkerwin> olodumare: Ok. And what's the status?
[07:14] <olodumare> kkerwin: But i think I need to restart udev.  or maybe just restart pc
[07:15] <genii> conor What is the make of your laptop ?
[07:15] <kkerwin> olodumare: "sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart"
[07:15] <Conor> dell, E1705
[07:16] <Conor> thanks for all you help, genii
[07:16] <olodumare> kkerwin:  Well, on hotsync (on the palm) I did "ls -l /dev/ttyUSB*" and nothing was found
[07:16] <genii> conor np, just taking some time to track it all down :) have some patience
[07:17] <Conor> yeah sure
[07:17] <olodumare> kkerwin:  and "ls -l /dev/pilo*" and nothing was found
[07:17] <kkerwin> olodumare: Try hotsync'ing, and then try "ls -l /dev/ttyS*"
[07:18] <olodumare> kkerwin: Ooh, results!  I get s0, s1, s2, and s3
[07:18] <kkerwin> olodumare: Are those there when the hotsync'ing isn't happening?
[07:18] <olodumare> kkerwin: let me find out!
[07:18] <genii> conor Hmm... does this laptop use SATA hard drive?
[07:18] <olodumare> kkerwin: Curses, yes they are.
[07:19] <Conor> no idea
[07:19] <kkerwin> olodumare: Drat.
[07:19] <kkerwin> olodumare: I'm very sorry, but I'm lost.
[07:19] <Conor> isnt it a liveCD, though?  It shouldnt be loading the hard drive
[07:19] <kkerwin> olodumare: You may try #kpilot to see if they might be of any help.
[07:20] <olodumare> kkerwin: I really appreciate all the help!
[07:20] <kkerwin> olodumare: They seem to be idling right now.
[07:20] <kkerwin> olodumare: No problem. I just wish that I could have helped you fixed the problem.
[07:20] <kkerwin> olodumare: Peace. I'm headed to bed. Merry Christmas, friend!
[07:20] <genii> conor Yes. I am looking at some pages where ppl are having difficulty with Dell sata installs atm
[07:20] <olodumare> kkerwin:  Me too :)  But I appreciate the effort just the same
[07:20] <olodumare> kkerwin: Right back atchya
[07:21] <genii> conor Did you try the "rescue" mode to see if it will bott in some fashion?
[07:21] <kkerwin> olodumare: Alright. Thanks for your appreciation. I'm out.
[07:21] <Conor> rescue mode?
[07:21] <joshuajtl> anyone... google earth?
[07:21] <Conor> genii: It has a "safe graphics" mode, but that doesnt help
[07:22] <genii> conor You can get it into rescue mode by typing in "rescue" where it says boot:
[07:22] <genii> no options etc
[07:23] <genii> conor If it will boot to rescue mode (command-line etc)  there is hope yet to get it to install
[07:24] <Conor> no options?
[07:24] <genii> conor usually no options but you could put for instance noacpi or vga  if you like
[07:25] <Conor> so, delete all the stuff thats there?  like, root=/dev/ram?
[07:25] <kerwonz> how can i enable the 3d for my video card?
[07:25] <genii> conor Yup, at the start it should have something that is the kernel name, replace that with "rescue"
[07:25] <genii> no quotes
[07:26] <Conor> it says file=/cdrom/pressed/kubuntu.ssed boot=casper initrd=/casper/i I deleted the rest
[07:27] <genii> conor the kubuntu.seed file etc is for the install
[07:27] <Conor> are you f--ing kidding me?
[07:27] <Conor> well, I guess thing it didnt work
[07:27] <Conor> good thing
[07:28] <max_> anyone use project looking glas?
[07:28] <max_> glass*
[07:28] <genii> conor I'll be back in a minute need to look up another alternate way to install
[07:28] <Conor> genii, wait so, what should be
[07:29] <Conor> the command for the boot options? what should I delete?
[07:30] <genii> conor to go into rescue mode just wipe the whole line and put in "rescue" ... the rescue kernel will decide it's own options etc
[07:30] <Conor> oh okay
[07:30] <Conor> genii: its doing something
[07:30] <Conor> wait
[07:30] <genii> conor Well if it boots up that will be good :)
[07:31] <Conor> it says "kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,1)
[07:31] <Conor> waits, theres more
[07:31] <genii> conor thats OK
[07:32] <Conor> genii: but it stopped after that...
[07:32] <Conor> what am I looking for?
[07:32] <Conor> It looks like I have a command prompt
[07:32] <genii> Conor Yeah you will need to reboot etc... Try the vga boot and add to the options noacpi and notsc
[07:33] <Conor> wait, so I should delete everything, type rescue vga noacpi notsc?
[07:33] <prak> does anyone happen to know how to setup file and printer sharing between linux and windows computers?
[07:33] <prak> does it entail using samba?
[07:34] <genii> conor No, when cd boot and splash screen with f1 f2 etc
[07:34] <Conor> okay
[07:34] <fnord5> anyone know how to join an irc channel from gaim?
[07:34] <Conor> so I should select safe graphics mode and add the options noacpi and notsc?
[07:34] <genii> conor For boot options it looks like at least one person used "notsc" to boot when it was problemmatic on edgy
[07:35] <genii> yes
[07:36] <Conor> okay, its going
[07:36] <Conor> hold on...
[07:36] <Conor> it looks like its got as far as the true progress bar
[07:37] <genii> core duo seems to have some timing issues which notsc helps with
[07:37] <matthew> genii, very nice.
[07:38] <Conor> wait, Im not sure if that fixed it
[07:38] <matthew> Conor, lol, hope I didn't jinx it...
[07:38] <genii> matthew :)
[07:38] <bradley> hey, does anyone know where there is a list of bugs for edgy?
[07:38] <genii> conor It's going further than before though?
[07:38] <Conor> I dont know
[07:38] <Conor> you see, theres two progress bars
[07:39] <Conor> one doesnt actually tell you about the progress, it just bounces
[07:39] <genii> OK well give it a minute to see if it's still going to the CD for stuff etc
[07:39] <Conor> the other comes later, and its a true progress bar that gets longer from left to right
[07:39] <Conor> well, actually, its dead silent
[07:39] <fnord5> anyone know how to join an irc channel from gaim?
[07:40] <prak> does anyone happen to know how to setup file and printer sharing between linux and windows computers? does that entail using samba?
[07:40] <Conor> Its not accessing the CD
[07:40] <fnord5> anyone know how to join an irc channel from gaim?
[07:40] <genii> conor fnord5 http://wiki.freeculture.org/IRC_with_Gaim
[07:40] <genii> crap
[07:40] <genii> fnord5 http://wiki.freeculture.org/IRC_with_Gaim
[07:41] <fnord5> thanks
[07:41] <genii> fnord5 np
[07:41] <Conor> its doing a hole lot of nothing again
[07:41] <genii> Conor OK just to be sure it's hanging give it some more time first. Like 2 min utes even
[07:42] <Conor> okay
[07:42] <genii> conor There may be other switches needed for over 1G ram... looking into it
[07:42] <Conor> jezz...
[07:44] <genii> conor Maybe useful link for you as well: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/DellInspiron9400
[07:45] <bradley> anyone else broke their xserver, getting 'Kdm: hung in XOpenDisplay(:0)', cannot connect to :0
[07:45] <Conor> wait, the 9600 is the E1705?  is that ever confusing
[07:46] <Olodumare> Hey, here is a problem that should be easy to fix!:  I had Ubuntu, then installed KDE, and now it comes up Kubuntu splash and login, but once I login, I'm still in Gnome.  What gives?
[07:47] <genii> conor Yeah I know :)
[07:47] <Conor> genii: Im a little confused
[07:47] <Conor> genii: I dont know how to harvest information from a document like this
[07:47] <genii> olodumare install kdm then use the options in the login to set which window manager
[07:48] <fnord5> i had that too i think you have to uninstall some package
[07:48] <bradley> check your default xserver, in gdm or kdm
[07:48] <bradley> as in when you login
[07:49] <genii> conor Interestingly it shows on the chart that Edgy livecd should work on that laptop, but in your case it obviously is not
[07:49] <Olodumare> genii: KDM is installed, I will try login options
[07:49] <Conor> how about acpi=off noapic nolapic
[07:50] <genii> conor perhaps try those with the notsc
[07:50] <genii> in vga if possible
[07:50] <Conor> it said not to use notsc with x86-32
[07:50] <Conor> "Note: Do not add the notsc kernel option mentioned in the x86-64 sections below. It will create a kernel panic with a x86-32 kernel. "
[07:51] <genii> conor Yes, but it did not give you a kernel panic earlier so it must be choosing the 64 bit kernel
[07:52] <genii> conor You do have a Core Duo, yes?
[07:52] <Conor> yeah
[07:52] <Conor> its not 64 bit, a least is should be
[07:52] <Conor> why would it choose the 64 bit kernel?  isnt that bad?
[07:53] <rcrook> you may have the wrong iso on the cd
[07:53] <genii> conor Did you choose the i386 distro ?
[07:53] <Conor> I coulda sworn I did
[07:54] <genii> conor OK, try either with or without the notsc as you like LOL
[07:54] <rcrook> if you have the x86_64 iso I think you may be booting on the wrong arch
[07:54] <Conor> well, yeah
[07:54] <malik__> any1 knows abt todays updates?........all seems office related...........shud these be downloaded?
[07:55] <Conor> although, this summer Id like to build a 64 bit computer
[07:55] <Conor> I thought Id go amd.  The situation might change by then, but is that the way to?
[07:55] <Conor> hmmm...
[07:55] <Conor> well, the progress bar has stopped already
[07:55] <Conor> oh!
[07:56] <genii> conor I like AMD ... I run some Opteron systems on amd64 kernel and they whizz along great
[07:56] <Conor> wait
[07:56] <Conor> uh oh genii, i think you just achieved linux guru status in my heart
[07:56] <genii> :)
[07:56] <Conor> Im applauding you, literally
[07:56] <genii> So successful boot I hope then?
[07:57] <Conor> man, is kubuntu 6.10 a beautiful desktop
[07:57] <intelikey> if you had three partitions 1g 4g 4g   and was going to install linux how would you use them ?    (forget swap. i don't do swap.)
[07:57] <matthew> Conor, lol, he's got that status in many of our hearts...lol
[07:57] <genii> 1G /home 4G / 4G /var
[07:58] <Jucato> 1G for /home?!?! :O
[07:58] <intelikey> genii why /var ?
[07:58] <genii> intelikey Because /var/mail cache gets huge etc
[07:59] <intelikey> Jucato i see nothing wrong with what genii said.  just wondering why var
[07:59] <Jucato> intelikey: yeah, nothing wrong. I
[07:59] <Conor> genii: no, lets talk about installation
[07:59] <Conor> now
[07:59] <intelikey> genii hmmm ok.    i don't guess that applies if you don't setup a mail server genii
[07:59] <genii> 1G for home because I untar a lot into my home dir then transplant it to the /bin /sbin etc etc
[07:59] <Jucato> I was just thinking about user files/documents, etc...
[08:00] <genii> conor So you are on your way to installing now?
[08:01] <Conor> well, I wanted to step back and make sure everything worked first
[08:01] <Conor> I like the video they have on what the word ubuntu means
[08:01] <genii> intelikey If 4G is normally OK size for all stuff normally on, then you could go mirror raid 4G
[08:01] <Conor> nelson mandele
[08:01] <genii> conor :)
[08:01] <Conor> mandela
[08:02] <Conor> anyway,
[08:02] <intelikey> true.   but i think i'd rather go  4g/  and 4g backup not normally mounted than raid
[08:03] <genii> 1G /boot also works
[08:03] <intelikey> yeah but 1g /boot is excessive.  wasteful
[08:03] <intelikey>  /boot takes up about 10m for me.
[08:03] <genii> Giving it it's own partition whatever size means you can use some exotic fs on /
[08:04] <Conor> hey, genii, how do I get to the kde control center (dont remember the name) or matthew
[08:04] <Jucato> Conor: K Menu -> System Settings
[08:04] <Jucato> or, press Alt+F2, type in "kcontrol"
[08:04] <Conor> oh...
[08:04] <intelikey> Conor  or konsole command   kcontrol
[08:05] <genii> more than one way to skin a cat :)
[08:05] <intelikey> with linux, always
[08:06] <Conor> I cant find the keyboard layout for dvorak
[08:06] <intelikey> speaking of skinning cats.   some one skined a dog and dumped the carcase near here....   never see that done before...
[08:06] <genii> intelikey Wow, thats brutal
[08:06] <intelikey> genii probably not if the dog was dead.....
[08:07] <Conor> Actually, can I just install it to use dvorak?  Mepis didnt have that option, so the login screen and terminal were qwerty
[08:07] <genii> Conor You already selected a dvorak keyboard but now it needs subtype?
[08:07] <Conor> No, I cant find dvorak on the list
[08:07] <genii> eg: U.S. English , etc etc
[08:08] <Conor> oh, here we go
[08:08] <Conor> in mepis it was listed seperately
[08:08] <genii> Ah, OK
[08:09] <genii> Alright I need to take 5 for a coffee run, I am pulling another allnighter at the office. Be back in a while
[08:09] <Conor> wait
[08:09] <Conor> genii
[08:09] <runpain> God day all
[08:09] <Conor> or matthew?
[08:09] <genii-awy> conor OK
[08:09] <Conor> sorry
[08:09] <genii-awy> arg
[08:09] <runpain> need help with icthux again
[08:09] <intelikey> or i could just install on 4g/  install windows in the 1g and have the other 4g blank for what ever....
[08:09] <Conor> is there an easy way to swap the caps-lock and backspace?
[08:09] <Conor> I like to do that
[08:10] <runpain> i clean installed and it will not get past logon
[08:10] <genii-away> Conor after X is on you can modify the key setting easier
[08:10] <Conor> hmm...
[08:10] <Lynoure> Conor: xmodmap works well for that, I think.
[08:11] <Conor> probably because of all the stuff we had to do to get it to boot, it wont go above 1024x768
[08:11] <runpain> i put user name and password and it goes to the cursor and then back to logon
[08:11] <genii-away> I'm not sure you can specify user key settings during initial install
[08:11] <Conor> can I fix that after I install?  It was hell to fix on mepis
[08:11] <fnord5> the devil types in dvork,goodnight yall
[08:11] <genii-away> fnord5 gnite
[08:11] <Conor> god damn it, if the devil types in dvorak, im with the devil
[08:12] <runpain> hello
[08:12] <runpain> God last name ant damn
[08:12] <genii-away> OK I *REALLY* need caffeine! See you all in 5 or so
[08:12] <runpain> any way
[08:12] <intelikey> runpain nor "it"
[08:12] <runpain> i will
[08:13] <runpain> intel can you help me with problem
[08:13] <intelikey> runpain maybe.    do you have a .Xsession  file ?
[08:13] <runpain> i guess
[08:14] <intelikey> drop to a console and see.
[08:14] <runpain>  i am in single user mode rite now
[08:14] <runpain> how i check
[08:14] <intelikey> i see.  well ls -A your user's home then.
[08:14] <runpain> i am in console now
[08:15] <Conor> since genii is gone, Im just gonna trough this out
[08:15] <runpain> at root@bible-laptop:~#
[08:15] <runpain> im a new bie
[08:15] <intelikey> where the user's home is.   /home/something
[08:15] <Conor> Since I had all this trouble booting the liveCD, will that get fixed in the install, or do I have to do a lot of run around?
[08:16] <intelikey> Conor we can only hope.
[08:16] <Conor> ugh
[08:16] <Conor> okay, I can deal with that
[08:16] <runpain> how do i reconfigure
[08:16] <intelikey> runpain what is the username ?
[08:17] <runpain> bill
[08:17] <intelikey> reconfigure what ?
[08:17] <Conor> maybe what I should ask is, am I ready to overwrite mepis?
[08:17] <intelikey> ls -A /home/bill
[08:17] <Conor> And by the way
[08:17] <runpain> sorry where do i look for that .xsession file
[08:18] <intelikey> ls -A /home/bill
[08:18] <runpain> ok will try
[08:18] <intelikey> if it isn't there  we'll make one.
[08:18] <runpain> -a command not found
[08:19] <runpain> o forgot ls
[08:19] <Conor> intelikey: I have a boot loader (I think its grub) that boots mepis or windows.  I'd like to overwrite mepis.  Will kubuntu do that correctly?
[08:19] <Conor> especially with the boot loader
[08:20] <intelikey> Conor should   but like i said   if it's some very unique hardware   you could encounter trubble.   no promices from me.
[08:20] <Conor> hmm...
[08:21] <intelikey> you'll not be saying 'but intelikey said....'
[08:21] <Conor> okay, fine
[08:21] <runpain> .x authority .bash_profile .dmrc .bash-logout .bashrc .xsession-errors
[08:21] <runpain> Examples in blue
[08:21] <Conor> hey, when I ran mepis It had trouble opening a lot of media files
[08:21] <genii> Mmmmmm Tim Hortons :)
[08:22] <runpain> never had problem with mepis my self
[08:22] <Conor> I later learned that that was because of legal issues, and the was a simple "back door" that opened all that up
[08:22] <genii> conor Well in all linux distros proprietary media codecs are prolemmatic (ape,wmv, etc etc)
[08:22] <Conor> okay
[08:22] <Conor> I understand
[08:23] <intelikey> runpain start      <<< and hit the tab key a couple times   see if you have start-kde  in the list it chucks out.
[08:23] <Conor> but are the problems "solvable" or do I have to reboot in windows, ect
[08:23] <runpain> intelikey: do you see my problem
[08:23] <Conor> in particular, I had trouble playing dvds
[08:23] <nixternal> Conor: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[08:23] <genii> conor Where there are no native linux codecs there is good success using wine to use the win32 dll etc
[08:24] <Conor> okay, we can talk about that later
[08:24] <runpain> display all 1742 possibilites?(yes or no)
[08:24] <genii> between flacc and lame tho most are covered
[08:24] <robotgeek> Conor: dvd is pretty easy, install libdvdcss2
[08:24] <robotgeek> !dvd > Conor
[08:24] <nixternal> you can wget the win32codecs with instructions from that page if need be. also info on getting your dvds to play is on that list as well
[08:24] <intelikey> runpain you put a space.  don't      start[tab] [tab] 
[08:24] <nixternal> robotgeek: i so need to start using the bot :)
[08:25] <Conor> Im just trying to think of what to make sure of before taking that dive and installing the thing
[08:25] <runpain> yes have .kde
[08:25] <intelikey> no.
[08:25] <runpain> .kde/
[08:25] <FisherP> I've got Ubuntu Dapper with kubuntu-desktop, and I'm thinking of doing the upgrade to Edgy.  Has anyone had problems doing this????
[08:25] <genii> I need to print a sticker for my Windoze 2K box at work that says "My other computer is an Edgy!"
[08:26] <intelikey> type this exactly.   using the tab key where you see [tab]   ok.       start[tab] [tab] 
[08:26] <intelikey> runpain ^
[08:26] <runpain> yes i will try
[08:26] <intelikey> runpain we are looking for something like   " start-kde "
[08:26] <runpain> yes startkde
[08:27] <intelikey> ok
[08:27] <runpain> please i am slow
[08:27] <runpain> typer
[08:27] <intelikey> ok you are doing fine.   do this next line just like i post it.
[08:27] <runpain> ok
[08:28] <genii> FisherP I upgraded from Dapper to Edgy with no hitches on my home box (P3 1.4, ASUS motherboard)
[08:28] <intelikey> echo 'startkde' > /home/bill/.Xsession
[08:29] <FisherP> genii thanks :-)
[08:29] <malik__> any idea abt todays office updates?
[08:30] <genii> FisherP you may want to look at:http://www.debianadmin.com/upgrade-ubuntu-dapper-to-ubuntu-edgy-eft.html
[08:30] <genii> bleh
[08:30] <malik__> they are damn 70mb ......if they are not essential then how do i turn em off?
[08:30] <genii> FisherP you may want to look at: http://www.debianadmin.com/upgrade-ubuntu-dapper-to-ubuntu-edgy-eft.html
[08:30] <runpain> ok back to root@bible-laptop
[08:30] <genii> better
[08:30] <intelikey> runpain that should get you going.  you can go test it. now.   by issuing this command      init 2         if for some reason it's still not working for you.   you can [ctrl] +[alt] +[f1]  and you are right back to a console.
[08:31] <_kuja_> malik__: probably a security update, and if you think it's non-essential, disable the ubuntu-security repos.
[08:31] <FisherP> genii were u running a vanilla box or added stuff from univers and multiverse??
[08:31] <runpain> well back to logon
[08:31] <intelikey> yes and login as bill.
[08:32] <genii> FisherP I uncommented all repos and had added some for install of special packages like gizmoproject and some others
[08:32] <_kuja_> malik__: or the ubuntu-updates repos, whichever it happens to be coming from
[08:32] <runpain> did and im back to logon
[08:32] <FisherP> genii so in effect things from multiverse were/are still dapper???
[08:33] <intelikey> runpain then something is not configured right or is not installed right.   lets check the first.     do this  as root      dpkg --configure -a
[08:33] <runpain> i even restrted xserver
[08:33] <runpain> ok
[08:33] <runpain> wait
[08:33] <FisherP> genii sry should have read right
[08:33] <genii> FisherP There are multiverse/universe releses separate for each version. But it did fine on apt-get upgrade
[08:34] <intelikey> dpkg --configure -a
[08:34] <runpain> had to do console
[08:34] <intelikey> yes.
[08:34] <FisherP> genii i got you now :-)
[08:34] <runpain> waiting for it
[08:34] <malik__> kuja_: which suit u use?.......koffice?
[08:35] <_kuja_> Yeah
[08:35] <runpain> o by the way it said hangup after init 2 before
[08:35] <intelikey> yeah.
[08:35] <FisherP> genii thanks again... I did install Edgy on a separate partition just fine, but it was vanilla without the Nvidia drivers... I dont suppose you have Nvidia too?
[08:36] <FisherP> genii install dapper upgraded to edgy
[08:36] <malik__> what is vanilla?
[08:36] <genii> FisherP No, a problemmatic ATI 8500DV LOL
[08:36] <runpain> darn have to start computer up agian
[08:36] <malik__> !vanilla
[08:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vanilla - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:36] <intelikey> runpain why ?
[08:36] <runpain> it would not go to consel
[08:36] <intelikey> alt+ctrl+f1
[08:36] <genii> malik_ vanilaa is a "stock" or "out-of the-box" install
[08:36] <runpain> so i hit ctrl alt f8
[08:36] <FisherP> malik vanilla is without anything which might break
[08:36] <_kuja_> unchanged, generic
[08:36] <intelikey> f1
[08:37] <intelikey> not f8
[08:37] <runpain> oops
[08:37] <intelikey> any of f1 - f6 should work.
[08:37] <runpain> ok back to cionsel still booting to root
[08:37] <intelikey> dpkg --configure -a
[08:38] <FisherP> genii some posts i've read say that the Nvidia upgrade breaks the upgrade
[08:38] <runpain> ok
[08:39] <runpain> did the dpkg
[08:39] <genii> FisherP You could always use some generic driver like vesa or svga, do the install, then mess with the video after
[08:39] <runpain> back to root
[08:39] <intelikey> if it says nothing   tell me     if it says lots of stuff just tell me the line that starts with   Error.
[08:39] <FisherP> genii yeah i've thought of that... I might just do it, but not till AFTER Christmas.
[08:39] <genii> FisherP But as far as NVidia-specific help I couldn't be of much help there
[08:39] <malik__> well for nvidia one have to uninstall them upgrade the distro n then install nvidia again...............atleast thats gow it was in fedora but im on kubuntu now so ..........
[08:40] <FisherP> Merry Christmas Everyone !!!!!
[08:40] <_kuja_> FisherP, you woke up 3 days early
[08:40] <_kuja_> or 4
[08:40] <genii> _kuja_ Heh!
[08:40] <runpain> it asked for password i gave it pass word and it says bash:command not found
[08:41] <_kuja_> depending if Eve counts ...
[08:41] <FisherP> _kuja well I'm NOT gunna be on IRC on Christmas day, so Y not :-)
[08:41] <FisherP> and Happy New Year
[08:41] <intelikey> runpain what command ?
[08:41] <FisherP> kuja LOL
[08:41] <runpain> wait let me back up again
[08:42] <genii> intelikey apparently bash shell is not in PATH
[08:42] <runpain> real easy please
[08:42] <runpain> :)
[08:42] <FisherP> thanks everyone... GTG  and runpain, I hope that you will get it all sorted out :-)
[08:42] <_kuja_> /bin/bash?
[08:42] <runpain> thaks fish God bless
[08:42] <_kuja_> Later FisherP
[08:42] <intelikey> genii that would prevent login on the console.   but not login kde   he has said it's the other way around.
[08:43] <genii> intelikey Ah, OK... from the line he put, it appeared the CLI interpreter was confused about where the default shell was
[08:43] <intelikey> runpain you loged into the console right ?
[08:43] <runpain> back to  root@bible-laptop ~#
[08:44] <runpain> yes
[08:44] <intelikey> runpain ok at that do this.   root@bible-laptop ~# dpkg --configure -a
[08:44] <Conor> hey, whats the root pass?
[08:44] <genii> dash vs sh/bash likely
[08:44] <intelikey> Conor there isn't one.
[08:44] <malik__> Conor: user pw
[08:45] <Conor> oh
[08:45] <runpain> it asks for pass word
[08:45] <genii> conor Root login is disabled by default
[08:45] <kraut> moin
[08:45] <Conor> whats the default user pw?
[08:45] <Conor> is there a reason for that?
[08:45] <intelikey> Conor there isnt one.
[08:45] <malik__> whatever u selected on setup
[08:45] <_kuja_> There is no default, AFAIK, you have to set it
[08:45] <Conor> ummm...
[08:46] <Jucato> !root
[08:46] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:46] <Conor> but this is a liveCD
[08:46] <runpain> bash again
[08:46] <intelikey> so just use sudo blah.
[08:46] <Conor> AFAIK?
[08:46] <malik__> Conor: nothin on live cd
[08:46] <_kuja_> and if it's an account you create later, andyou don't set it, you might not be able to log into it, or it might default to a blank password
[08:46] <genii> conor On livecd should be no pw
[08:46] <Jucato> AFAIK = As Far As I Know
[08:46] <intelikey> runpain ok.  no error messages ?
[08:47] <genii> in worst case lost pw, boot to singleuser and change it with passwd
[08:47] <runpain> ok back to root@bible-laptop
[08:47] <genii> conor Ah, so you are not booted to hd yet?
[08:47] <intelikey> there is NO passwd on the liveCD
[08:47] <intelikey> you can set one.
[08:47] <runpain> i am not in live
[08:48] <Conor> but, how do I get into su mode? Ah, it doesnt matter, I dont need to
[08:48] <intelikey> runpain that was not at you.
[08:48] <runpain> i installed it to hard drive
[08:48] <MuJ> type sudo su
[08:48] <runpain> o ok
[08:48] <intelikey> runpain did it say E:   or  Error:  ?
[08:48] <runpain> let me work with one person at a time
[08:48] <Conor> sudo su... haha
[08:48] <runpain> no
[08:48] <intelikey> ok
[08:49] <MuJ> Conor: what haha? gives you root =)
[08:49] <genii> conor Yeah it's weird, kinda defeats the purpose of locking out root
[08:49] <intelikey> runpain apt-get remove kde-core
[08:49] <Conor> does that work in a real version of linux, or just the livecd?
[08:49] <Conor> because it seems like a violation
[08:49] <intelikey> runpain that box is on the network isn't it ?
[08:49] <genii> conor It works in all distros far as I know
[08:50] <MuJ> sure it does.. if you've set sudoers properly
[08:50] <runpain> login incorrect
[08:50] <intelikey> i should have asked first then given the command ....
[08:50] <runpain> wait
[08:50] <Conor> wait, do you have to type the password
[08:50] <runpain> err
[08:50] <genii> conor If you do sudo you put the user pw . On livecd it should not ask for pw
[08:50] <intelikey> wait is right.    runpain    i thought you were logged in    on a console ?
[08:51] <Conor> when I did it on mepis, it did nothing
[08:51] <intelikey>  root@bible-laptop ~#  <<<< like that.
[08:51] <runpain> logon incorrect
[08:52] <runpain> yes i was but it times out
[08:52] <genii> OK some systems are beeping at me from the cluster... AFK
[08:52] <runpain> 60 seconds
[08:53] <runpain> err
[08:53] <intelikey> no you're not.   if it times out.   it's the password timming out.
[08:53] <runpain> ya
[08:53] <runpain> wait
[08:53] <intelikey> sounds like you may have both getty and bash running one that console.  switch to the next one.
[08:54] <intelikey> alt+f2
[08:54] <intelikey> login there.
[08:54] <runpain> errrrrrrr
[08:54] <runpain> logon incorrect
[08:55] <intelikey> who are you tring to login as ?
[08:55] <intelikey> login as bill
[08:55] <runpain> ok got to bill
[08:55] <intelikey>  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:56] <intelikey> that should work now.        :)
[08:56] <runpain> goes back to bill@laptop:~#
[08:57] <intelikey> ok sudo killall kdm
[08:57] <runpain> did
[08:57] <intelikey> you may have to hit  alt+f2 afterwords.
[08:57] <intelikey> startx
[08:58] <runpain> abunch of stuff
[08:58] <runpain> ;{
[08:58] <intelikey> line that starts with  EE ?
[08:59] <runpain> a bunch
[08:59] <intelikey> we may not have kdm killed try this
[08:59] <intelikey> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[09:00] <intelikey> then do the     startx     again.
[09:00] <Conor> sudo Im going to bed
[09:01] <intelikey> sudo mount -o remount,sleep /dev/conor's-brain /pillow
[09:01] <runpain> xf860penserial:cannot open device stopping display manager:kdm not running
[09:01] <intelikey> :)
[09:01] <Conor> wait, shouldnt it be
[09:01] <runpain>  stopping display manager:kdm not running
[09:01] <Conor> oh I get it
[09:01] <intelikey> runpain ok   and   startx
[09:02] <runpain> (EE)
[09:02] <intelikey> runpain the rest of the EE line please
[09:02] <arsenyNNNN> hello. i need to install g++ 4.0.3 (not older). I type # apt-get install g++-4.0 The following packages have unmet dependencies:  g++-4.0: Depends: libstdc++6-4.0-dev (= 4.0.3-1ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages     But if I remove current version of libstdc++ and install previous (necessary for g++) I will lost more dependences. What should I do?           Thank you.
[09:03] <runpain> xf860penserial:cannot open device /dev/wacom no such file or diretory
[09:03] <intelikey> runpain that's not  EE is it ?    that's   WW ?
[09:03] <runpain> no ee
[09:03] <intelikey> hmmmm
[09:04] <intelikey> well any others ?
[09:05] <runpain> could not init font path element /usr/share/fronts.x11.ttf and otf and cid
[09:05] <runpain> 3 of them in a row
[09:05] <goodthing> oops, when you dpkg-reconfigue -a and quit that from the first screen, will the system than have configuration issues?
[09:05] <Conor> hey, guys
[09:05] <Conor> I was playing with the screen savers and it looks like x crashed
[09:06] <intelikey> k   any other (EE)'s ?
[09:06] <runpain> no just the same one listed 4 times
[09:06] <Ash-Fox> Is it just me who has a problem resolving kubuntu.org
[09:07] <moody> cze
[09:07] <moody> mam sprawe
[09:07] <Ash-Fox> !pl
[09:07] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[09:07] <intelikey> goodthing shouldn't   there are very few things (moments there of)  that it could hose things.   but it may leave a stale lock file in /var/lib/dpkg/
[09:08] <runpain> ;{
[09:08] <runpain> ;{(
[09:08] <intelikey> runpain let me hear you say again exactly what you see when the system boots up normally ?
[09:09] <intelikey> the last screen.
[09:09] <runpain> xf860penserial:cannot open device /dev/wacom no such file or diretory
[09:09] <intelikey> please describe ?
[09:09] <runpain> could not init font path element /usr/share/fronts.x11.ttf and otf and cid
[09:09] <intelikey> no at boot time.
[09:09] <runpain> i need to re boot
[09:10] <runpain> ?
[09:10] <intelikey> ok you can.   and don't touch anything let it go until it is doing nothing and then tell me what you see.
[09:11] <runpain> ok be rite back
[09:11] <intelikey> i'm having trubble here understanding some of the things you have said in light of this later information....
[09:12] <runpain> while i wait my wife has M.S and she fell today and broke a toe
[09:12] <runpain> please pray for her we are to sign on a new house the 29 th
[09:12] <intelikey> sorry to hear that.   i will.    and maybe you should attend to her in this spare time.
[09:12] <goodthing> thanks intelikey, a reboot later on would just fix this?
[09:13] <runpain> she is a sleep
[09:13] <intelikey> goodthing probably not.   another dpkg --configure -a   might.
[09:13] <runpain> like i should be i am a barber and have to get up at 500 to make her breakfast it 2:14 here
[09:14] <runpain> i am back to logon
[09:14] <intelikey> ok describe it ?
[09:14] <runpain> i used my username and password and it came back to logon again
[09:15] <goodthing> :)
[09:15] <intelikey> is it graphical or text   is there a mouse cursor ?
[09:16] <intelikey> i'm trying to get the total picture of what you are up against there runpain
[09:16] <runpain> it is the graphical then when i sgn in the screen flashes then the mouse apparers
[09:16] <runpain> then it goes back to graphic
[09:16] <runpain> logon
[09:17] <intelikey> ok   that's kdm looping  but why.....
[09:17] <runpain> ummm
[09:17] <runpain> O_o
[09:17] <intelikey> and startx wont start the gui   that's not normal.
[09:18] <runpain> i know
[09:18] <MuJ> does kdm usually start if x fails?
[09:18] <intelikey> runpain can you select the session to login to ?
[09:18] <runpain> yes
[09:18] <intelikey> MuJ no.  that's the thing that's baffeling me.
[09:18] <MuJ> yeah, sounds wierd to me too
[09:18] <matthew> intelikey, dude, I talked with dave_ again...it was terrible...
[09:19] <runpain> i have tried that
[09:19] <runpain> am
[09:19] <runpain> back to logon
[09:19] <genii> I wonder if all X setting files in /home/username are owned by username
[09:19] <intelikey> runpain selsct something else    and login in.
[09:19] <runpain> i tried kde
[09:19] <intelikey> matthew ?
[09:19] <runpain> now fail safe
[09:19] <runpain> back again
[09:20] <runpain> O_o
[09:20] <matthew> intelikey, yes? don't you remember dave_? He was the guy who couldn't remember the command to edit his sources.list...
[09:20] <runpain> default now
[09:20] <matthew> intelikey, guess I'm being kind of demeaning, huh?
[09:20] <matthew> sorry
[09:20] <intelikey> runpain try reconfiguring x
[09:20] <runpain> back again
[09:20] <intelikey> matthew yes i remember him.
[09:21] <runpain> how
[09:21] <intelikey> in a console
[09:21] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:21] <runpain> ok
[09:21] <genii> runpain sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:21] <genii> heh
[09:22] <matthew> genii, lol, _how_ many times did I run that?
[09:22] <intelikey> matthew was it a bad day    </chuckels(i told you so'ishly)>
[09:22] <genii> matthew Quite a few :)
[09:22] <matthew> intelikey, no...I went to bed right after...wanted to avoid another like hime ;>)
[09:23] <intelikey> lol
[09:23] <runpain> ok am doing
[09:23] <matthew> genii, lol, at least 20
[09:24] <matthew> intelikey, what's the story with runpain?
[09:24] <prak> is there any way to configure samba for accessing files and printer on a window computer graphically?
[09:24] <intelikey> matthew kdm starts but can't startx   got hime reconfiguring xorg now.
[09:24] <genii> matthew Something interesting: I got 2 ATI AIW cards setup on an experimental uber-box ...one is a 7500 AGP and one is a 7500 PCI :)
[09:24] <matthew> genii, I hate you.
[09:25] <matthew> genii, in a loving way, of course...
[09:25] <MuJ> O_o
[09:25] <intelikey> matthew i've never seen kdm run and startx wouldn't  before.
[09:25] <genii> I dunno if they do the 3D extensions, I doubt it
[09:25] <matthew> genii, I'm looking at buying an nvidia something-or-other on ebay...
[09:25] <runpain> am at user of Powerpc machines
[09:25] <matthew> intelikey, hmmm...don't know what's the problem...he's doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[09:25] <runpain> busid
[09:26] <intelikey> ah and it's a mac  ???
[09:26] <genii> There is a default x setting in the kdm substructure which can have different settings than in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:26] <runpain> dont know what to do
[09:26] <intelikey> matthew yes.
[09:26] <matthew> runpain, you may want to do sudo apt-get install kdm from console
[09:26] <intelikey> runpain is that a mac box ?
[09:26] <runpain> its an hp Omnibook 4150
[09:26] <matthew> runpain, wait, is it a PPC machine, or an HP pc?
[09:27] <matthew> runpain, wait...I thought you said mac
 busid <<< sorry missed that.    lspci
[09:27] <genii> That should be a P2 400
[09:27] <runpain> wait
[09:27] <intelikey> in another console run    lspci
[09:27] <runpain> still recon
[09:27] <genii> runpain Do you have more than 128 Ram??
[09:28] <runpain> yup 192ram
[09:28] <genii> heh just barely meets install specs :)
[09:28] <Conor> hey, whats the default password for the liveCD
[09:28] <intelikey> genii you talking vidio ram ?
[09:28] <genii> genii No system
[09:28] <genii> intelikey No system
[09:29] <intelikey> and that applies how ?
[09:29] <runpain> yes system
[09:29] <Conor> I locked the screen, but now I cant unlock it
[09:29] <runpain> still recon
[09:29] <stdin> Conor: go to tty1 and set a pass
[09:29] <Conor> I tried it with no password, "ubuntu", "password", "root"
[09:29] <goodthing> Conor: just enter?
[09:29] <matthew> Conor, I think it's ubuntu
[09:29] <genii> system ram minus onboard shared video ram might = less than optimal ram for system to run
[09:30] <matthew> Conor, oh...sorry
[09:30] <intelikey> genii and how does amount of system ram apply to x config ?
[09:30] <Conor> I dont think I can access tty1
[09:30] <matthew> intelikey, the liveCD needs enough RAM to run...
[09:30] <stdin> Conor: Crtl-Alt-F1 ?
[09:30] <Conor> yeah, it just gives me a blank screen
[09:30] <runpain> write default files to config file yes
[09:30] <intelikey> genii yes ok if he sets shared i can see that.
[09:30] <Conor> stdin... haha
[09:31] <intelikey> matthew that's installed.  so...
[09:31] <intelikey> runpain yes
[09:31] <matthew> intelikey, oh, it's all installed? my bad...
[09:32] <runpain> did
[09:32] <genii> conor for console yes, ctrl-left alt-f1 usually puts you in tty1...may have to hit enter key to see login prompt
[09:32] <runpain> and am back at consel and will reboot
[09:32] <intelikey> matthew it's supposed to be....      actually i'm not sure about any of it....  kdm running where xorg wont is like saying the bsod happes just before windows starts.....    dik.
[09:32] <Conor> oh
[09:33] <intelikey> runpain no need to reboot just restart x
[09:33] <matthew> intelikey, lol...hmmm, runpain do you have any mission-critical data stored on your computer?
[09:33] <matthew> intelikey, he may just want to reinstall...
[09:33] <runpain> ok
[09:33] <Conor> I can actually start a new session
[09:34] <matthew> intelikey, although that is kind of a bad "solution" to the problem...
[09:34] <intelikey> matthew cut losses and take greater casulties perhaps....
[09:34] <runpain> how restart x
[09:34] <genii> runpain do you know how to use the pastebin? A dump of /var/log/Xorg.0.log may be useful in figuring why X is failing
[09:34] <matthew> runpain, alt+e
[09:34] <matthew> runpain, alt+e is how you restart X
[09:34] <intelikey> runpain that the login screen  use alt+f7 to get there.  hit  alt+ctrl+backspace
[09:35] <genii> conor consoles tty1 thru tty6 should be text consoles, then tty7 is usually running X of course :)
[09:35] <intelikey> genii  i don't think he's talking on the box he's working on....
[09:35] <runpain> i hit alt f8
[09:35] <intelikey> as to the pastebin Q
[09:36] <intelikey> f7
[09:36] <genii> intelikey Ah, dumb me :)
[09:36] <intelikey> runpain alt+f7
[09:36] <genii> chicken-egg situation
[09:36] <runpain> just have flashing cursor
[09:37] <matthew> runpain, try a reinstall of kdm
[09:37] <intelikey> runpain ok alt+f1
[09:37] <intelikey> runpain then     startx
[09:37] <runpain> ok
[09:37] <matthew> genii, intelikey I'm thinking it might be kdm, since he can obviously get X working, right?
[09:37] <runpain> got ithe erros again
[09:37] <intelikey> matthew ^
[09:38] <runpain> O_o\
[09:38] <intelikey> so no gui runpain ?
[09:38] <matthew> intelikey, ah...ok...
[09:38] <genii> He can run X from console but not from kdm?
[09:38] <runpain> not
[09:38] <matthew> intelikey, would you outline the problem for me and genii?
[09:38] <runpain> gona reboot
[09:38] <intelikey> genii no no x from startx  but gdm will run.
[09:38] <momal> project glass... anyone tried that?
[09:38] <genii> intelikey Wow, thats a weird one
[09:38] <soulrider> momal: whats that ?
[09:38] <intelikey> runpain reboot will help nothing.
[09:39] <runpain> then go to bed
[09:39] <intelikey> genii tell me.
[09:39] <matthew> intelikey, want to try a reinstall of xserver and kdm/gdm?
[09:39] <momal> soulrider: https://lg3d-core.dev.java.net/binary-builds.html
[09:39] <intelikey> runpain ok    good night.   sorry we didn't get it fixed for you.
[09:39] <momal> digg article: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Project_Looking_Glass_1_0_Released_2
[09:39] <ubuntu> hello
[09:39] <ubuntu> this is deus/conor
[09:39] <soulrider> stupid internet connection, BRB
[09:39] <matthew> runpain, I'll be here for another few hours, then again tomorrow...I'm almost always on...
[09:39] <genii> ubuntu Heya deus :)
[09:39] <runpain> this ichthux 6.10rc really sucks
[09:40] <goodthing> i have heard ksnapshot can be configured pretty well, anyone knows where this can be done?
[09:40] <matthew> momal, is that a recent article?
[09:40] <momal> yes
[09:40] <momal> like 9 hours old
[09:40] <runpain> im rebooting
[09:40] <matthew> momal, gonna look at it...
[09:40] <intelikey> runpain some have no problems some have nightmares ....
[09:40] <runpain> k got watch cursor
[09:41] <intelikey> k that's good.
[09:41] <runpain> ok signed on
[09:41] <intelikey> k
[09:41] <runpain> back to logon
[09:41] <runpain>  same old same old
[09:41] <intelikey> same story.
[09:41] <intelikey> good night.   tomarrow is another day.
[09:41] <runpain> what is the problem here
[09:42] <momal> whats happening? kde is logining in and just auto going back to login screen ?
[09:42] <runpain> the ichthucx 6.09 worked fine
[09:42] <matthew> momal, from what I gather, kdm loads, but then X shuts down
[09:42] <runpain> yes thats what its doing
[09:42] <ubuntu> Im trying to set up my wireless internet
[09:43] <runpain> whats happening? kde is logining in and just auto going back to login screen
[09:43] <intelikey> momal and also he can kill kdm   and startx wont...... wait.
[09:43] <intelikey> runpain one more thing.
[09:43] <runpain> ok
[09:43] <intelikey> drop to a console and login
[09:43] <runpain> ok one more time
[09:44] <genii> ubuntu Please do /nick deus   or /nick Conor , will make my life less confusing :)
[09:44] <runpain> ok
[09:44] <intelikey> issue this command.    sudo chown bill:bill /home/bill -R
[09:44] <Conor> oh sorry, Im just on multiple computers
[09:44] <deus> hmm...
[09:44] <genii> intelikey Thats what I thought it might be since I think he hand edited the .Xsession as root
[09:44] <brandon_> intelikey: can you help me remove the trash icon from my desktop?  i'm on feisty, and do not have anything in kcontrol.
[09:45] <genii> deus I saw something about the wireless when trying to find the boot options
[09:45] <runpain> back to bill@bible-laptop
[09:45] <genii> deus Lemme go thru history/refind
[09:45] <intelikey> runpain    hit alt+f7    and try to login again.
[09:46] <runpain> blinking cursor
[09:46] <deus> hey, Im getting a whole lot of failure from this wireless this
[09:46] <matthew> momal, man, looking glass looks very very nice...
[09:46] <deus> oh wait
[09:46] <genii> deus http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1773514
[09:46] <momal> matthew: I'l try it out when i get some spare time in about an hour ^^
[09:46] <intelikey> genii i thought we had ruled that out,  because i thought he ran startx as root eariler  but the console had dual sessions in it for some reason....
[09:47] <matthew> momal, genii, wish I had some 3d acceleration for my video card...lol w/ genii
[09:47] <genii> if he was in /home/someuser dir then ran startx as root it overwrites all
[09:47] <intelikey> runpain     alt+f7   not f8    NOT f8
[09:47] <deus> how can I find out if Im connected or not if I also have an ethernet running?
[09:47] <runpain> nothing
[09:48] <genii> deus ifconfig -a    shows connections. If eth0 has an IP you are likely connecting to router
[09:48] <olodumare> ::weep::  Someone please shed some light on my palm situation!
[09:48] <brandon_> gah, how can i remove the trash from desktop
[09:48] <intelikey> ok alt+letf-arrow    as many times as it takes to get there.
[09:48] <genii> deus try to ping some known site for connectivity test eg: ping google.com   etc etc
[09:48] <intelikey> alt+letf-arrow
[09:48] <intelikey> [alt] +[letf-arrow] 
[09:49] <runpain> k
[09:49] <intelikey> [alt] +[left-arrow] 
[09:49] <runpain> did still inconsole
[09:49] <intelikey> untill you get to the graphic login screen
[09:49] <intelikey> [alt] +[left-arrow] 
[09:49] <matthew> deus, you can also view your wireless info using iwconfig or wlassistant...
[09:49] <runpain> did it still flashing cursor
[09:50] <intelikey> you aing there yet.
[09:50] <intelikey> aint
[09:50] <runpain> then when i do it one more time bck to console
[09:50] <genii> runpain or try [alt] +[F6]  or possibly F7 key
[09:50] <Darkkish> hey guys long time no chat
[09:50] <intelikey> runpain exit
[09:50] <Darkkish> if any of you even remember me
[09:51] <intelikey> runpain in the console exity
[09:51] <intelikey> runpain in the console exit
[09:51] <runpain> did back to login console
[09:51] <Darkkish> I am trying to install kubuntu on a toshiba laptop, and i can't get wireless working, this seems to be a common problem, i enable the card and after one or two seconds it disables it self agian
[09:51] <runpain> tty1
[09:51] <intelikey> ok i give up.     you linux does not work like mine.    sorry.
[09:52] <brandon_> anyone know how to remove trash from desktop?
[09:52] <runpain> it is Kubuntu engine under the Ichthux 6.10rc
[09:52] <matthew> runpain, I'll try to help you now, if you'd like...
[09:52] <runpain> ok for a while i guess
[09:53] <runpain> matthew
[09:53] <matthew> runpain, let me look for info on Ichthux...
[09:53] <intelikey> i even thought he might have "droped to console"  by clicking the console login button in kdm   but exiting should have ended that  no?
[09:53] <runpain> not much on there web site
[09:53] <genii> deus Any luck on wireless front?
[09:53] <matthew> runpain, gonna look at wikipedia...gotta love that place
[09:54] <runpain> tried there too
[09:54] <Darkkish> nobody knows?
[09:54] <Darkkish> I enable my wireless card
[09:54] <Darkkish> which linux SEEMs to recognise
[09:54] <Darkkish> as genaric
[09:54] <Darkkish> then it disabeles it shortly after i enable it...
[09:54] <matthew> runpain, ok...did you just install ichthux?
[09:54] <intelikey> !wifi | Darkkish
[09:54] <ubotu> Darkkish: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:54] <brandon_> sudo shutdown -h now
[09:54] <Darkkish> thanks i'll check tha tout
[09:54] <runpain> yes matthew
[09:54] <matthew> runpain, or did you have it installed for a while, then it crashed?
[09:54] <Conor> hmmm
[09:55] <runpain> just did
[09:55] <brandon_> how do i remove trash
[09:55] <matthew> runpain, hmm...have you tried Ubuntu Christian Edition?
[09:55] <matthew> runpain, just a thought...
[09:55] <runpain> ya got that one too
[09:55] <matthew> runpain, you prefer ichthux?
[09:55] <Conor> matthew: or genii how do I get the computer to recognize a ethernet connection that wasnt plugged in when the computer booted without rebooting?
[09:56] <runpain> no mepis
[09:56] <matthew> Conor, /etc/init.d/networkd restart?
[09:56] <genii> Conor sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[09:56] <matthew> Conor, /etc/init.d/networking restart
[09:56] <matthew> genii, I defer to your superiour knowledge...lol
[09:56] <runpain> but i liked ich fr the desktop watchword
[09:56] <genii> matthew I just type faster
[09:56] <genii> :)
[09:56] <matthew> runpain, you prefer mepis to ichthux or UCE?
[09:57] <runpain> ya i could mess with grub and the splash screens
[09:57] <intelikey> brandon_ what are you tring to do ?
[09:57] <runpain> and do root and all kinds of stuff
[09:57] <brandon_> remove the trash icon from the desktop
[09:57] <brandon_> on feisty
[09:57] <runpain> im new to this
[09:58] <Conor> hey! I got it
[09:58] <matthew> runpain, you should be able to tweak grub and splash screens and stuff with ichthux and UCE...
[09:58] <runpain> i was doing it with ich 6.09
[09:58] <matthew> runpain, so...have you tried a reinstall of Ichthux...
[09:58] <runpain> abunch
[09:58] <intelikey> brandon_ /join #ubuntu+1     feisty is still alpha/beta
[09:58] <matthew> runpain, you might want to md5 your disc...
[09:58] <runpain> i did
[09:58] <runpain> it was fine
[09:59] <ubuntu_> matthew, genii, et al, Im going to bed, but thanks for all your help!
[09:59] <matthew> runpain, hmmm, let me think on this one...
[09:59] <brandon_> isn't there a command to do it on edgy
[09:59] <matthew> ubuntu_, uh, np
[09:59] <matthew> *whispers* genii, did I help ubuntu_ ?
[09:59] <ubuntu_> oh, sorry, this is conor/deus again
[09:59] <seven11> how can i start firefox insted of konquerer from inside konversation /google -b linux  will open konquerer?
[09:59] <runpain> Hay folks i will be back tomorrow God willing got to get some shut I
[09:59] <matthew> deus, seriously...stop.
[10:00] <matthew> runpain, alright, I'll mull it over...ttyl
[10:00] <intelikey> brandon_ rm -fr ~/Desktop/[T,t] rash*
[10:00] <runpain> God Bless all and thank you from the top of my Heart:} O_o
[10:00] <matthew> genii, any ideas? I'm fresh out...could be a bad graphics card that overheats when strained...or something..
[10:00] <intelikey> but that wont keep it from comming back. brandon_
[10:01] <matthew> genii, lol, not from the bottom?
[10:01] <matthew> of his heart...
[10:01] <Guardian> hi
[10:01] <matthew> yeah...
[10:01] <intelikey> not even middle...
[10:01] <Darkkish> SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
[10:01] <matthew> intelikey, lol
[10:01] <Guardian> i still have my problem with usb drives not mounted automatically
[10:01] <Guardian> i tried to reinstall hal but it did not help
[10:02] <seven11> firefox from konversation anyone know how i do this
[10:02] <Darkkish> lol
[10:03] <intelikey> i had a problem with cd drives mounting automatically   but i finally managed to get rid of all the automatic krap.
[10:03] <Darkkish> Open the pod bay doors, HAL.
[10:03] <Darkkish> I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
[10:03] <genii> matthew Sorry went AFK and lost some scroll
[10:04] <genii> matthew Bad card overheating with runpain ?
[10:04] <malik__> any good p2p client like limewire or even if limewire is available for edgy?
[10:04] <matthew> np...runpain left...gonna come back tomorrow...ummm, I'm out of ideas...maybe...just an idea I'm tossing out there...
[10:04] <intelikey> genii heh yeah that's what i thought... :)
[10:04] <matthew> malik__, use ktorrent or azureus
[10:04] <matthew> !ktorrent > malik__
[10:04] <matthew> !azureus > malik__
[10:05] <intelikey> well when he comes back   i hope someone else helps him.    i like him.  but the more i try to help him, the more that gets strained....
[10:06] <Darkkish> when i do sudo ifup
[10:06] <Darkkish> i get an error
[10:06] <matthew> intelikey, I felt the same way with Dave_
[10:06] <intelikey> :/
[10:06] <matthew> he was almost like an 8-year old...
[10:06] <malik__> i have ktorrent i want somethin like limewire or e donkey so that i can get individual files i need instead downloading whole heap of thngs
[10:06] <intelikey> almost
[10:07] <matthew> !p2p
[10:07] <ubotu> Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[10:07] <intelikey> !frostwire
[10:07] <matthew> malik__, there you go ^^^^
[10:07] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[10:07] <genii> Hmm Omnibook 4150 has NeoMagic MagicGraph NM2200 combined video (2.5MB) and audio chip
[10:07] <matthew> hmmm, I wonder when the last time he cleaned it out was (if ever)
[10:08] <Darkkish> !ifup
[10:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ifup - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:08] <matthew> genii, intelikey I work in a computer shop...see lappys in there all the time with ounces of dust in the fans  and heatsinks...sad stuff...
[10:08] <Darkkish> !siocsifflags
[10:08] <intelikey> Darkkish did you check the wifi page ?
[10:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about siocsifflags - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:08] <genii> !ifconfig
[10:08] <intelikey> !wifi | Darkkish
[10:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ifconfig - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:08] <ubotu> Darkkish: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:08] <matthew> !iwconfig
[10:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iwconfig - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:08] <genii> !wlan
[10:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wlan - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:09] <matthew> !wlassistant
[10:09] <ubotu> wlassistant: User friendly KDE frontend for wireless network connection. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 115 kB, installed size 572 kB
[10:09] <genii> !madwifi
[10:09] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:09] <matthew> yay!
[10:09] <intelikey> !network
[10:09] <matthew> !wireless
[10:09] <genii> LOL !*
[10:09] <matthew> oh yeah
[10:09] <matthew> I won...I think...
[10:09] <matthew> genii, don't you dare...
[10:09] <genii> I think ubotu is going to strike for more pay soon
[10:09] <intelikey> i think you guys flooded the bot right off the network.
[10:10] <matthew> intelikey, might have...at first I didn't realize it was a bot...
[10:10] <matthew> intelikey, genii it works pretty well though. I like it
[10:10] <matthew> !madwifi
[10:10] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:10] <matthew> ok, he's still here...
[10:10] <abattoir> wireless and madwifi probably point to the same thing, and since it was trigerred w/i 8s, it didn't respond
[10:10] <matthew> abattoir, ah
[10:11] <genii> Yeah likely
[10:11] <genii> !nmap
[10:11] <ubotu> nmap: The Network Mapper. In component main, is extra. Version 4.10-1 (edgy), package size 702 kB, installed size 2436 kB
[10:11] <genii> !snort
[10:11] <ubotu> snort: Flexible Network Intrusion Detection System. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.3.3-7 (edgy), package size 330 kB, installed size 800 kB
[10:12] <matthew> intelikey, omg...check this out! http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/main/
[10:12] <matthew> !airsnort
[10:12] <ubotu> airsnort: WLAN sniffer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.7e-1.1 (edgy), package size 49 kB, installed size 180 kB
 !madwifi <intelikey> !network <matthew> !wireless <<< yeah all one infonode.
[10:13] <seven11> somebody know where konversation puts its scripts
[10:13] <Darkkish> ok ubotu is not helping
[10:13] <matthew> seven11, /home/[username] /.konversation
[10:13] <Darkkish> can i talk to a person about my broadcom wireless card
[10:13] <matthew> !anyone
[10:13] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[10:13] <Darkkish> because i'm getting an error i cannot explain
[10:14] <malik__> guyz what abt MLDonkey or amule ?........seems like they have the biggest network after the torrents?
[10:14] <genii> Darkkish http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1773514   <-- for another laptop but applies
[10:14] <intelikey> apropos ?
[10:14] <Darkkish> i don't really want to use ndiswrapper if i don't have to...
[10:14] <momal> konversation doesn't load japanese language when you set the system to japanese... even after logout/relogin weird :S
[10:15] <Darkkish> i've never ever had any luck with ndiswrapper
[10:15] <seven11> matthew: thats where i checked first      its not there
[10:15] <matthew> seven11, hmm...then I don't know...sorry
[10:15] <Guardian> how to get back usb drive automounting please ? i tried to reinstall hal but it did not help
[10:15] <Darkkish> ...
[10:16] <intelikey> seven11 /usr/share/konversation    or /usr/share/kde*
[10:16] <Darkkish> i guess i'[ll give ndis another chance
[10:16] <genii> Darkkish I'm not certain there is a native linux driver, all refs I can find seem to be ndiswrapper related for Broadcom
[10:17] <seven11> intelikey: thats where i checked second :)  its not there
[10:17] <Darkkish> Dell Truemobile 1300
[10:18] <Darkkish> ...
[10:18] <olodumare> I use ndiswrapper for my laptop (broadcom chipset)  it works.
[10:18] <Darkkish> its broadcom on the inside, dell on the outside...
[10:18] <intelikey> what's not there seven11 ?
[10:18] <intelikey> seven11 what did you check for ?
[10:19] <seven11> i am looking for the konversation scrips intelikey
[10:19] <intelikey> like i'm going to search for 'something' in /var/lib/   nope it's not there....
[10:19] <Darkkish> how do i install ndiswrapper without an internet connection
[10:19] <genii> Darkkish Broadcom is only the chipset make that the wireless part of your laptop uses.
[10:19] <intelikey> seven11 again what did you look for ?
[10:20] <Darkkish> i have no way of plugging my lappy into the router
[10:20] <intelikey> seven11 there is a reason i'm asking.
[10:20] <matthew> Darkkish, can you attach an ethernet cable to your laptop?
[10:20] <seven11> i have /usr/share/konversatio
[10:20] <matthew> Darkkish, oh, sorry, too late
[10:20] <seven11> and /usr/share/kde
[10:20] <matthew> genii, can't he install from a CD...?
[10:21] <seven11> both no have
[10:21] <intelikey> seven11 find /usr /var -type d -iname script
[10:21] <olodumare> Got a jumpdrive?
[10:21] <matthew> genii, like, burn ndiswrapper to a cd, then insert the CD into his lappy...the apt-get install? gotta edit the sources.list though...
[10:21] <genii> matthew As I gather he has a working installation but his wireless lan is the isssue
[10:22] <matthew> genii,  I was talking about installing ndiswrapper from a cd...
[10:22] <matthew> Darkkish, how are you online right now?
[10:22] <intelikey> if you could tell me what you wanted to find i could narrow that considerably.    but seeing that all you can say is "konversation's scripts"  that's about as narrow as i can go.
[10:22] <genii> matthew Ah Ok, I got confoozed :)
[10:22] <matthew> genii, you, confused? no way. lol
[10:23] <intelikey> seven11 you can add etc to that if you don't find what ever it is you are looking for.......
[10:23] <genii> Apparently the native linux drivers for Broadcom are "bcm43xx" ....
[10:23] <olodumare> Yeah, but they infrequently work.  sometimes you even have to blacklist that driver
[10:23] <matthew> ok all, I just finished downloading Lost: Season 2...see you all in a week or so...lol
[10:24] <genii> Darkkish If you do sudo lsmod|grep bcm    does it produce a result?
[10:24] <genii> olodumare Ah, OK :) I'm just learning about this module as I go right now
[10:25] <kkathman> anyone here done any advanced tweaking of their kubuntu system ?
[10:25] <unix_infidel> kkathman: that's a pretty generic question.
[10:25] <unix_infidel> what do you want to do today?
[10:25] <matthew> !anyone | kkathman
[10:25] <ubotu> kkathman: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[10:25] <matthew> lol
[10:25] <kkathman> lol
[10:25] <Darkkish> @genii "Sorry, try again."
[10:25] <kkathman> point taken... but my general point was to see if there was any advanced people around... so thanks :)
[10:26] <Darkkish> HAHAHAA
[10:26] <Darkkish> nvm >_>
[10:26] <unix_infidel> lol @ advanced people.
[10:26] <Darkkish> yeah i get a few things that come up
[10:26] <kkathman> im trying to remove some process from my system that I dont need
[10:26] <kkathman> like bluetooth for instance
[10:26] <intelikey> unix_infidel where they at ???
[10:26] <luca> hi everyone
[10:26] <kkathman> I removed the S24bluetooth from the rc3 directory
[10:26] <unix_infidel> kkathman: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491
[10:26] <Darkkish> @ genii I get a few things, ieeee80211softmac and ieeee80211
[10:27] <genii> Darkkish Is there a line that shows wlan using this driver? (bcm43xx)
[10:27] <kkathman> but somewhere its being loaded again  cuz I see it occasionally as kbluetoothd
[10:27] <Darkkish> yes genii
[10:27] <e1mer> whats the equivalent for ipconfig/flushdns in linux
[10:27] <genii> Darkkish OK let me think for a bit
[10:27] <kkathman> unix_infidel:  I'll take a peek thanks very much for your help :)
[10:27] <luca> does someone now where I should file a supposed bug for AIGLX?
[10:28] <genii> elmer sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[10:28] <intelikey> e1mer linux uses ifconfig     man ifconfig
[10:29] <intelikey> or do that total reset thing.... but that can hang things...
[10:30] <seven11> intelikey: ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/
[10:30] <seven11> thanks
[10:30] <e1mer> intelikey: no flushdns
[10:30] <intelikey> seven11 you said that it wasn't in your home dir  first raddle out of the box  ???
[10:31] <Darkkish> Lalala
[10:32] <seven11> intelikey: sorry /usr/share/apps/konversation/scripts
[10:32] <Darkkish> I'm restarting my laptop because i'm getting su errors...
[10:32] <Darkkish> it could take a while (its only 750MHz)
[10:32] <intelikey> seven11 ok.   did you find what you want in there ?
[10:33] <seven11> yes thanks
[10:33] <genii> Darkkish This may help:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Edgy
[10:33] <genii> bleh
[10:33] <genii> Darkkish https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Edgy
[10:33] <Darkkish> wow that was fast
[10:34] <Darkkish> k thanks genii
[10:34] <intelikey> Darkkish if setup correctly linux can boot on a 750mhz box in the time it takes bios to post.
[10:34] <genii> np
[10:37] <Darkkish> yeah intelikey it actually booted pretty damn fast
[10:37] <genii> Darkkish since it involves getting some packages you may need to use a 2nd box to d/l them/transfer over etc
[10:38] <intelikey> Darkkish yes  and i would imagine that it's wasting quit a bit of time still checking and probing for things that are not there.
[10:38] <Darkkish> unfortunatly intelikey your probably right.
[10:38] <Darkkish> and genii i've just unplugged my wifi routers cable and plugged it directly into the laptop
[10:39] <Darkkish> so if i start complaining about the wireless router not showing up after all of this
[10:39] <Darkkish> slap me.
[10:39] <genii> Darkkish LOL alright
[10:39] <genii> I need to go work on some other computetrs so AFK a bit but checking in aver few minutes. Changing nick to genii-around
[10:40] <intelikey> hmmm i think i need a new twm system.twmrc-menu  file.
[10:40] <intelikey> tty23 [root@~]  update-menus
[10:40] <intelikey> Warning: the string include-menu-defs did not occur in template file /etc/X11/twm//system.twmrc-menu
[10:40] <intelikey> tty23 [root@~] 
[10:40] <intelikey> and twm menus don't get updated.
[10:42] <intelikey> maybe adding that string will fix it.....
[10:46] <matthew> k, I'm back...the season finale from season 1 hasn't completely downloaded...so I don't want to go onto season 2...and please, nobody tell me what happens.
[10:47] <intelikey> oh you haven't seen it.
[10:47] <intelikey> well it ends up with'
[10:47] <Darkkish> genii-around i'm getting some errors about extracting firmware from old driver is bad
[10:49] <matthew> intelikey, do you follow lost?
[10:49] <Darkkish> nvm
[10:49] <Darkkish> oh i used to
[10:49] <Darkkish> but i havn't been latelyt :(
[10:50] <genii-around> Darkkish :( I'm outta ideas then
[10:50] <matthew> Darkkish, I was about to finish season 1, but my friend borrowed the DVD and promptly lost it...I've been jonesing for it ever since. I found a site where I could watch it online...but only season 1...and no finale...it killing me...lol
[10:51] <matthew> ok...enough lost...
[10:51] <matthew> genii-around, what are you doing now? still net-installing?
[10:51] <Darkkish> sad lol
[10:52] <genii-around> matthew Yeah. I have to do a mirror of dapper repo now cuz the stupid winmodems we have won't compile on Edgy
[10:52] <matthew> Darkkish, yeah, I know...but I gotta know what that thing was that killed the pilot and moved all those tree
[10:52] <matthew> genii-around, wait...you actually found a winmodem that is useful under linux?
[10:52] <Darkkish> genii-around now it almost works
[10:52] <matthew> amazing...you really _are_ magical
[10:52] <matthew> lol
[10:52] <genii-around> matthew Quite a few actually
[10:53] <Darkkish> but when i scan it says "interface doesn't suppoetr scanning : no such device
[10:53] <matthew> genii-around, I was under the impression that only serial modems and the like worked...
[10:53] <genii-around> intel 537EP   Lucent Agere winmodem (ltmodem) and Conexant cx11252 series (the problemmatic ones)
[10:54] <matthew> genii-around, hmmm, might want to look at that...thank you genii-around
[10:54] <genii-around> Darkkish On that page the author says the exact same thing but that he can still get to the AP etc etc
[10:55] <matthew> genii-around, what's the problem with the conexant ones? no drivers?
[10:55] <genii-around> matthew Yesterday I was trying to remember evrything I forgot about C/C++ decoding all the source code for the damn Conexants
[10:56] <Darkkish> AP genii?
[10:56] <genii-around> matthew Linuxant provides a free driver that is limited to 14.4 will sell you a driver keyed to your specific machine for about $20 no cap
[10:56] <matthew> genii-around, whoa...nice...I know a little bit of C++...probably not enough to help, though
[10:57] <matthew> genii-around, they get you every way, huh? no vaseline, no kiss, no reacharound...although 20 bucks isn't _that_ bad
[10:57] <genii-around> matthew But the guy who does the drivers there (Mark Boucher) did open-source Conexant stuff previously and his source for pre 2.6 is still around
[10:57] <matthew> genii-around, gonna port it to 2.6?
[10:57] <rcrook> Ok, got a sensors problem. it keeps telling me it cant read the i2c detail from /sys... I can so I am not sure why it cant. I do have all the appropriate modules loaded but it is still complaining. any ideas?
[10:58] <genii-around> matthew Some of it was already ported to 2.6 and mostly successfully compiles on 2.6.15-xx but for some reason on 2.6.17-xx fails miserably
[10:59] <genii-around> so dapper=works edgy=not work
[10:59] <matthew> genii-around, hmm, why not just downgrade the kernel to 2.6.17?
[11:00] <genii-around> matthew min kernel for edgy is 2.6.17-o generic   but the source which compiles successfully only so far can do up to 2.6.15 (Dapper )
[11:00] <Darkkish> OMG
[11:00] <Darkkish> OMG!
[11:00] <Darkkish> I THINK ITS WORKING!
[11:00] <genii-around> Darkkish LOL
[11:00] <matthew> genii-around, really? hmm, interesting...so, are you going to install Dapper on all Conextant modem machines?
[11:00] <matthew> Darkkish, very cool....love it when stuff works...
[11:00] <genii-around> matthew Seeing as we bought 850 of them I'd say yes
[11:01] <matthew> genii-around, rofl...although that may just be cause it's 2 in the morning...
[11:01] <Darkkish> me too matthew considering it rarely works for me
[11:02] <Darkkish> i love having to enter my password for EVERYTHING on linux >_>
[11:02] <matthew> genii-around, think the customers are going to notice/object?
[11:02] <Darkkish> well now this is interesting
[11:02] <matthew> Darkkish, it's just so you don't _really_ screw something up...you know?
[11:02] <matthew> Darkkish, at least, without knowing first...lol
[11:03] <genii-around> matthew Well since we bundle a dial-up account with each machine they would likely notice if the machine had no modem LOL
[11:03] <Darkkish> moment of truth
[11:03] <Darkkish> does wifi work!
[11:03] <Darkkish> "connection failed"
[11:04] <matthew> genii-around, no, I meant notice/object about not having edgy...
[11:04] <genii-around> Darkkish after you disconnected the hard wire, did you do sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart   ?
[11:05] <genii-around> matthew I doubt they know enough about anything that is not Windoze
[11:05] <Darkkish> SUCSESS
[11:05] <matthew> genii-around, very nice...will you get paid extra to go help the 2500+ linux n00bs that you're inheriting?
[11:05] <Darkkish> SUCCESS**
[11:06] <genii-around> Darkkish Also I noticed in that help page that he remarked his wlan connection got put as nonstandard (eg not eth0 ) like eth1 or eth2 etc
[11:06] <matthew> genii-around, hopefully they understand how to use the machine...packaged w/ a tutorial?
[11:06] <genii-around> Darkkish Cool :)
[11:06] <Darkkish> yeah
[11:06] <Darkkish> its eth1
[11:06] <Darkkish> thank you so much genii!
[11:06] <Darkkish> i can't belive that worked lol
[11:06] <genii-around> Darkkish Well you should send the guy who wrote that page a thanks not me :)
[11:06] <Darkkish> haha
[11:06] <Darkkish> good idea
[11:07] <genii-around> matthew We are giving them a tutorial on DVD or VHS (their choice)
[11:07] <matthew> genii-around, VHS...rofl...
[11:08] <matthew> genii-around, hopefully they won't be as n00bish as Dave_
[11:08] <matthew> lol
[11:08] <genii-around> LOL
[11:08] <matthew> genii-around, very nice...will you get paid extra to go help the 2500+ linux n00bs that you're inheriting?
[11:08] <genii-around> I have setup the machines so that we can remote ssh into their boxes if neccesary
[11:08] <matthew> genii-around, sounds like you've got a pretty sweet job...
[11:08] <Darkkish> cd drive is not working :(
[11:08] <matthew> Darkkish, sudo mount /dev/cdrom?
[11:09] <Darkkish> no the button on the outside is not working
[11:09] <Darkkish> i right clicked on the cd icon and clicked eject
[11:09] <matthew> Darkkish, sudo eject /dev/cdrom
[11:09] <Darkkish> and it popped right open
[11:09] <matthew> hmmm
[11:09] <genii-around> Darkkish sudo eject /cdrom
[11:09] <matthew> I've had that happen to me too
[11:09] <genii-around> perhaps /media/cdrom or /mnt/cdrom
[11:09] <Darkkish> ok the button seems to be working now
[11:09] <matthew> happens off and on
[11:09] <Darkkish> lol
[11:10] <genii-around> matthew As for extra pay for tech support on the machines... I am on (meager) salary so ne extra pay
[11:10] <genii-around> par for the course
[11:10] <matthew> bummer...but are you happy?
[11:10] <genii-around> More than I would be if I had to do a 9-5 type gig
[11:11] <genii-around> Plus I get to play with cool toys :)
[11:11] <Darkkish> so genii would you suggest not running firefox? and just using konq instead?
[11:11] <matthew> genii-around, and learn more about linux...
[11:11] <genii-around> Darkkish Either is good but I like FF
[11:11] <Darkkish> yeah me too
[11:12] <matthew> Darkkish, I know I'm not genii-around but I would recomend swiftfox...
[11:12] <shosho> #python
[11:12] <Darkkish> but i've heard people say it doesn't run all that well on KDE (and i've kindof noticed it)
[11:12] <matthew> !python | shosho
[11:12] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.4.3-11ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 208 kB
[11:12] <genii-around> mainly for the cool extensions like DownThemAll and Chatzilla, also remote bookmarks etc
[11:12] <shosho> sorry
[11:12] <shosho> wrong type
[11:12] <Darkkish> i just use...
[11:12] <matthew> genii-around, I like tabmixplus and gmail notifier, myself...
[11:12] <Darkkish> tab mix plus
[11:13] <tejinder> the fonts paths are wrong in xorg.conf, is it a bug?
[11:13] <matthew> Darkkish, TMP is the way to go...
[11:13] <Jucato> kget has a download all links...
[11:13] <Darkkish> i use tab mix plus, adblock, and filterset g
[11:13] <matthew> oh yeah, and AdBlock Plus...
[11:13] <Darkkish> and IETab for when i'm building websites
[11:13] <genii-around> FF 2 on have some tab mix plus stuff integrated and it won't intall that extension w/out probs
[11:13] <tejinder> can anyone send me edgy xorg.conf?
[11:13] <Darkkish> matthew do you have filterset G. updater?
[11:13] <matthew> Darkkish, don't know what you mean.
[11:13] <Darkkish> no no
[11:14] <Darkkish> adblock plus is useless without it
[11:14] <Darkkish> go to the firefox website and get filterset g updater from the extensions
[11:14] <Darkkish> you will LOVE it
[11:14] <tejinder> can anyone send me edgy xorg.conf?
[11:14] <genii-around> tejinder It's a common thing to see 3 lines when X exits about some fonts not being found etc
[11:14] <matthew> tejinder, you can try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:15] <Fuzzy76> Anyone know why hcitool (bluetooth) only works for root? It makes it impossible for lusers to use bluetooth. :-/
[11:15] <matthew> Fuzzy76, you can use sudo to run programs as root
[11:16] <Darkkish> can't you change the privilages of the files to work for non root?
[11:16] <tejinder> matthew: i have ubuntu edgy beta. if i dist-upgrade, the xorg paths will be corrected?
[11:16] <genii-around> tejinder They are actually there and being found in a different path .. no worries
[11:16] <tejinder> are those paths corrected in stable edgy cd?
[11:16] <matthew> Darkkish, d/l'ed it and installed...
[11:16] <Fuzzy76> but which files? the executable for hcitool IS executable for non-root
[11:16] <Fuzzy76> and sudo isn't a good solution. I don't want all users to be sudoers.
[11:17] <Darkkish> matthew it updates your adblock with filterset G which is a global block list
[11:17] <matthew> very cool
[11:17] <Darkkish> you will most likely never see an advert again
[11:17] <genii-around> Fuzzy You may need to setuid
[11:17] <Darkkish> :)
[11:17] <matthew> Fuzzy76, only the user that installed the system can do sudo by default...
[11:18] <Fuzzy76> matthew: I know that. As I said, I want bluetooth to work for normal users without sudo rights.
[11:19] <matthew> Fuzzy76, oh, ok...I misunderstood you...I believe that you can chmod the file to allow non-root people to execute it...
[11:19] <Fuzzy76> I'm running kubuntu, and bluetooth only works for root.
[11:19] <Fuzzy76> [11:16]  <Fuzzy76> but which files? the executable for hcitool IS executable for non-root
[11:19] <matthew> Fuzzy76, no idea...don't use bluetooth.
[11:20] <genii-around> Hmm so setuid not the issue
[11:20] <Fuzzy76> bluetooth is just broken by default :(
[11:20] <genii-around> Fuzzy76 do you know what /dev/device it uses?
[11:21] <Fuzzy76> I'm afraid not
[11:22] <genii-around> I had a similar issue and solved it by symlinking to the actual /dev entry then using the symlink for regular users
[11:24] <Fuzzy76> yay. :) I found the /dev/bus/usb node and changed its rights :)
[11:24] <genii-around> Fuzzy76 I found something that may help you by editing in the /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf
[11:24] <genii-around> ah perhaps too late :)
[11:25] <Fuzzy76> not really
[11:25] <Fuzzy76> konqeror still cant find any devices :(
[11:26] <genii-around> OK the relevvant part here looks like /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf options {                          area where it needs      security user;    inserted
[11:26] <ReTyPe> how do i get surround sound ?
[11:27] <Fuzzy76> it already has security user here :s
[11:27] <genii-around> bleh
[11:27] <Fuzzy76> hcid scan works now... But konqueror right click, actions, send via bluetooth doesn't find any devices. :-/
[11:28] <genii-around> Fuzzy76 Lemme do some research and I'll get back to ya shortly
[11:28] <Darkkish> well genii i'd have to say mission accomplished
[11:28] <Darkkish> internet is working great
[11:28] <Darkkish> but its 2:30 AM here
[11:28] <Darkkish> and i'm about to fall asleep
[11:28] <Darkkish> lol
[11:28] <Darkkish> so goodnight and thanks once again
[11:28] <genii-around> Darkkish Sleep well and enjoy your wireless freedom :)
[11:29] <matthew> Darkkish, where you at?
[11:30] <genii-around> Fuzzy76 in that conf file a section like this?
[11:30] <genii-around> device {
[11:30] <genii-around>   name "%h-%d"; # %d - device id, %h - host name
[11:30] <genii-around>   class 0x100;
[11:30] <genii-around>   iscan enable;
[11:30] <genii-around>   pscan enable;
[11:30] <genii-around>   lm accept;
[11:30] <genii-around>   lp hold,sniff,park;
[11:30] <genii-around> }
[11:31] <genii-around> I think the relevant areas iscan enable     pscan enable      etc etc
[11:31] <Fuzzy76> yup... My file looks identical
[11:31] <genii-around> hmm
[11:31] <Fuzzy76> no.... my class is all weird
[11:32] <genii-around> Fuzzy76 That part is all system/device dependent so can be radically different
[11:32] <genii-around> Fuzzy76 Is the device you are trying to connect to a phone by the way?
[11:33] <dsafda> hi guys, could you help me with TTF anti-aliasing? I would try to disable the anti-aliasing only for *one* type of TTF, I have a Sans Serif as general TTF, and other TTF for menu bar, desktop items, etc, I'd like to have anti-aliasing on everything but *not* on the Sans Serif, that is perfect without anti-aliasing, could you help me?
[11:33] <Fuzzy76> yes
[11:34] <genii-around> Fuzzy76 OK. May sound weird but try this. Insert a line "noauth" in /etc/ppp/options
[11:35] <genii-around> without the quotes
[11:35] <Fuzzy76> well... I'm not trying to use it as a modem, I'm just trying to send files to and from
[11:35] <Fuzzy76> but i tried it
[11:36] <malik__> how do i know that which update is coming from which repo?
[11:37] <Fuzzy76> shouldn't there be some bluetooth manager in my systray?
[11:37] <genii-around> Fuzzy76 :( dunno, sorry
[11:38] <malik__> how do i know that which update is coming from which repo?.........plus if any one can tell how do i turn off updates for open office?
[11:38] <Fuzzy76> damn weird
[11:39] <Fuzzy76> genii-around: I found my phone in konqueror by navigating to "remote places" (or whatever it's called, I'm running norwegian locale). :) That'll do for now. :) It's just the send-to-bluetooth right-click action that doesn't work.
[11:40] <matthew> hey genii-around do you have any idea why adept-update would give me the option to "skip package list"?
[11:41] <genii-around> Fuzzy76 Unfortunately I haven't had to debug much blutooth probs on linux yet... I think I'm out of ideas for this
[11:41] <genii-around> matthew Perhaps because it's already cached
[11:42] <genii-around> matthew in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[11:42] <moody_> cze
[11:42] <moody_> mam sprawe
[11:42] <genii-around> !cz | moody
[11:42] <ubotu> moody: esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[11:43] <moody_> a polski ?
[11:43] <matthew> genii-around, ah...ok
[11:43] <moody_> halo
[11:43] <moody_> a polski ?
[11:44] <genii-around> malik__ Well I know a roundabout way to find which things come from which repos but not an easy way
[11:44] <genii-around> !pl | moody
[11:44] <ubotu> moody: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[11:44] <matthew> malik__, why do you want to know?
[11:44] <matthew> malik__, just curious?
[11:45] <matthew> genii-around, yay, got a major update for OOo...
[11:45] <toschi> ciao a tutti
[11:45] <matthew> ciao
[11:45] <matthew> lol, that's all the italian I nkow
[11:45] <matthew> know
[11:45] <genii-around> In each directory apt-get looks to there is a file called Packages or Packages.gz  So if you open up the file Packages   for instance in an editor it wil give detailed info about each file there
[11:46] <malik__> matthew: yes and also i dont want to download these updates day in day out measuring upto 70 to 100 mb at a time for open office..........other updates i dont mind but i dont use office that much so im just annoyed a lil
[11:46] <matthew> malik__, ah
[11:46] <genii-around> tutti a capo tutti  Is about all my Italian :)
[11:47] <genii-around> !openoffice
[11:47] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[11:47] <genii-around> Hmm doesn't say what repo
[11:48] <malik__> i checked most of em are comin from ubuntu core n funny thing is the installed version is 2.0.4-0ubuntu3 n upgrade one is 2.0.4-ubuntu4
[11:49] <malik__> what if i uninstall it with apt-get or adept or something?
[11:49] <malik__> wud it wreck my system?
[11:49] <genii-around> malik__ I'm pretty sure there is a way in adept to tell it to ignore certain updates but I'm not sure of the way
[11:50] <malik__> okie genii i ll look around in settings thanx for the tip tho
[11:50] <genii-around> malik__ np
[11:52] <matthew> genii-around, lol, did you know that Chuck Norris can unscramble an egg?
[11:53] <genii-around> matthew Why the hell would he want to???
[11:53] <sebbar> hello everybody, what's the right place to leave a comment about an oxygen icon?
[11:54] <matthew> genii, when Chuck Norris falls into a lake, he doesn't get wet, the water gets Chuck Norris'd
[11:54] <matthew> lol
[11:54] <genii> :)
[11:54] <matthew> genii, have you got any?
[11:54] <genii> matthew What, scrambled eggs?
[11:54] <matthew> genii, Chuck Norris lost his virginity before his dad did...rofl
[11:54] <matthew> genii, no...Chuck Norris jokes
[11:54] <genii> hah...no
[11:55] <genii> sebbar Most likely the best place would be on one of the ubuntu forums
[11:55] <Fuzzy76> genii: Thanks for your help anyway. :) I must've fixed something somewhere... It works partially now, and I'll live with that. :)
[11:56] <matthew> genii, my friend would like to tell you that Chuck Norris doesn't read books; he stares them down until he gets the information that he needs.
[11:56] <genii> Fuzzy76 :)
[11:56] <matthew> genii, Chuck Norris doesn't go hunting, he goes killing.
[11:57] <matthew> ok...enough chuck norris jokes...lol
[11:57] <matthew> genii, huh?
[11:57] <matthew> ninjas?
[11:58] <genii> Chuck Norris first movie was Good Guys Wear Black
[11:58] <matthew> ah
[11:58] <matthew> didn't know that...
[11:59] <genii> It was the first time the stunt where he jumped up and kicked through a windshield of a car trying to run him down was done
[11:59] <matthew> nice...Chuck Norris always did git 'er done...
[12:00] <matthew> I like in Walker, Texas Ranger where Chuck Norris kicks 3 guys' butts, then goes over and bails out his black friend...seriously, it happens in every episode...kinda racist, no?
[12:00] <genii> Hmm Chuck Norris vs Jet Li ... cage match ... my money is on Chuckie
[12:01] <matthew> Chuck Norris vs. Jackie Chan...Winner == Jackie Chan...unbelievably enough...
[12:01] <genii> Jackie Chan does some insane stunts
[12:01] <matthew> all his own...
[12:02] <genii> Well a Texas Ranger having black friends in the first place is preposterous LOL
[12:03] <matthew> genii, roflmao
[12:03] <matthew> literally
[12:04] <genii> I need to go babysit some boxes so sorta AFK but I'll come back to checkin every few mins
[12:04] <matthew> I hate the big hick trucks tho...
[12:04] <matthew> genii, np...it's only your job...
[12:05] <toma> The installer is telling me on the page to prepare the mount points, that i've not selected a partition for the root. But i have done that. Any tips?
[12:08] <MHK> toma: redo the selection step?
[12:08] <MHK> =)
[12:09] <sebbar> toma I think it's a bug, I had the same problem...solved using the installer cd. I know some other guy did the same thing, some other eventually worked around it without needing to download another cd
[12:09] <sebbar> you're trying to keep a windows partition?
[12:09] <toma> sebbar: yes
[12:10] <toma> sebbar: / should be on /dev/hda2
[12:10] <matthew> MHK, when you're making the partitions for kubuntu, make sure to label one as /
[12:10] <matthew> that should take care of it...remember to restart the installer, though
[12:10] <matthew> otherwise it won't recognize the change...
[12:10] <toma> sebbar: if it's a bug then imho we should make another iso. Not being able to install something from an installer cd is pretty serious imho
[12:11] <toma> matthew: i have not altered the partition table
[12:11] <MHK> matthew: yeah, and make sure you don't forget the swap. I damn idiot made it to small (500mb), even though my ram is about 1gb -> hybernate works not allways
[12:12] <toma> matthew: i just selected / to be on /dev/hda2
[12:12] <matthew> toma, hmmm
[12:12] <matthew> toma, did it work?
[12:12] <toma> no, it still states 'no root file system'
[12:13] <rchovan> hi , could someone help me with usb problem on kubuntu ?
[12:14] <toma> "Warning, you can lost data" is a typo ;-)
[12:14] <matthew> toma, you need to restart the installer
[12:14] <matthew> toma, otherwise, the installer will move forward using the old data, not the new data...
[12:14] <matthew> rchovan, what's the problem?
[12:15] <sebbar> toma: my 2 cents: if you have enough bandwidth and a spare cd, download the alternate cd and install, worked straight forward for me. It might work some other way as well though
[12:15] <sebbar> rchovan: don't ask to ask, just ask ;-)
[12:17] <toma> matthew: after reformatting it works
[12:17] <sebbar> ok cool
[12:17] <matthew__> rchovan, what's the problem?
[12:17] <matthew__> !ask
[12:17] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:17] <matthew__> lol
[12:17] <toma> matthew__: so the error should have been "no root partition or partion not formatted", i will file a bug and attach a fix
[12:17] <toma> thnxs all
[12:18] <matthew__> toma, hmmm, weird...good luck w/ that...
[12:19] <matthew__> rchovan, what's the problem?
[12:19] <rchovan> matthew__: hi, i can't unplug USB pen drive as user,
[12:19] <matthew__> rchovan, do you know what device your usb is? (sda, sdb1, etc...)
[12:21] <rchovan> matthew__: yes, i have some infos for you
[12:21] <matthew__> rchovan, ok, let's hear it.
[12:21] <rchovan> matthew__: Kubuntu 6.10, list of mount (/dev/sdc1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8))
[12:21] <genii> rchovan sudo umount /dev/sdX && eject /dev/sdX    where X is the letter of the drive it sees the pen drive as
[12:22] <matthew__> rchovan, ok, you need to type in the konsole          sudo eject /dev/sdc1
[12:22] <matthew__> genii, awww, you stole my kill...lol
[12:22] <genii> sorry umount should be from the dir it is mounted to
[12:22] <rchovan> matthew__: yes, it work with sudo, but i can't remove usb drive trought KDE icon
[12:22] <genii> eg /media/someplace
[12:22] <matthew__> genii, doesn't eject take care of umount as well?
[12:23] <genii> matthew__ I dunno, just habit I have to use umount
[12:23] <rchovan> matthew__:  list of umount /dev/sdc1 is umount: /dev/sdc1 is not in the fstab (and you are not root)
[12:23] <matthew__> rchovan, that might mean there is still stuff being written to it...happens to me sometimes...
[12:23] <matthew__> rchovan, sudo eject /dev/sdc1
[12:23] <rchovan> matthew__: no, because lsof /dev/sdc1 give me empty list
[12:24] <matthew__> rchovan, hmmm...ok...
[12:24] <genii> rchovan You can edit the KDE icon properties to make it run sudo
[12:24] <matthew__> rchovan, try the eject command
[12:24] <rchovan> matthew__: i know, that it work with sudo
[12:24] <matthew__> genii, I've got a USB question while we're on the subject...
[12:25] <genii> matthew__ Sure :)
[12:25] <rchovan> matthew__: eject work fine with user rights
[12:26] <matthew__> genii, cool...whenever I plug anything into my Encore Electronics USB hub, the LED dies for a while, and nothing gets recongnized. It takes a _long_ time for the drive to get recogged...sometimes it's easier to reboot, because then everything that's plugged in is recogged...any ideas?
[12:26] <rchovan> matthew__: is there any suggestion how to unplug usb trought icon on desktop ?
[12:26] <matthew__> genii? ^
[12:27] <genii> matthew__ For the usb hug, no idea :(
[12:27] <matthew__> great...lol, not a biggie...
[12:27] <genii> maybe rerun hotplug from init.d
[12:28] <matthew__>  /etc/init.d/hotplug restart?
[12:28] <rchovan> genii: hi, how, or where i can edit kde icon to unplug usb drive with eject command ?
[12:28] <genii> matthew__ Not ure if hotplug ...but whatever it is that scans the usb bus
[12:29] <rchovan> matthew__: thank you.. eject is better as umount :o)
[12:29] <matthew__> genii, hmmm, :         sudo: /etc/init.d/hotplug: command not found
[12:29] <genii> rchovan Normally to edit the properties of a shortcut in KDE you right-click on it then edit ... then go to where it has "application" then add sudo before the actual coomand it is running in this case to make it run with proper rights
[12:30] <genii> matthew__ Wait while I find the right prog there to use
[12:30] <matthew__> genii, np...take as long as you want...
[12:33] <genii> matthew__ Weird, it should be there (hotplug) in init.d ... maybe make sure byt installing hotplug
[12:33] <genii> also coldplug
[12:34] <rchovan> genii: sorry, bat I can't find application, i have there only general, permissions, meta informations, sharing, mount, sharing
[12:35] <genii> matthew__Can you pastebin  in your /etc/init.d  contents?
[12:35] <matthew__> genii, hmmm, not available, but referred too...ok...pastebinning now...
[12:36] <berkes> does anyone know if top can show the 'disc access' of processes?
[12:36] <matthew__> genii, hmmm, can't open /etc/init.d...it's a folder...
[12:37] <berkes> I have a few procs that are not using too much CPU or mem, but they clog the HDD troughput by reading and writing a big lot of data.
[12:37] <genii> rchovan OK try poking around in those to find the line which has something like a command ... eg mount /somewhere     perhaps in mount
[12:37] <berkes> I'd like to be able to list these processes.
[12:37] <genii> matthew__  ls /etc/init.d/*
[12:37] <matthew__> genii, opened up init.d in konq...no hotplug nor coldplug installed
[12:37] <matthew__> genii, ok...brb
[12:39] <genii> !hotplug
[12:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hotplug - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:39] <genii> bah
[12:39] <matthew__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38206/
[12:39] <rchovan> genii: is ther any chance to unplug usb drive as user without editing /etc/fstab ?
[12:39] <matthew__> genii, lol, thanks for helping again, geni
[12:39] <berkes> hmm looking at some usage patterns, I find that nspluginviewer (flash in konqueror) eats nearly 40% of all CPU measured over a day.
[12:39] <matthew__> genii
[12:39] <berkes> is that something I can weak?
[12:39] <berkes> ~tweak
[12:40] <genii> matthew__ np :) Glad to serve as always
[12:41] <berkes> nspluginviewer keeps eating CPU cycles even if I'm gone and tall other processes go to sleep.
[12:41] <berkes> :)
[12:42] <genii> berkes perhaps create a ramdisk then mount it under /tmp or wherever it's using for a scratchdisk maybe /var/tmp or similar then it will cut down on hdd usage plus be empited always when the machine turns off
[12:42] <pradeepto> !mp3
[12:42] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:42] <matthew__> genii, apt-get plain old can't find package coldplug
[12:42] <matthew__> genii, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38206/ (just in case you didn't see it...)
[12:43] <genii> matthew__ Hmm perhaps there is another name/parent prog for it in ubuntu as opposed to usual debian distro ...lemme research
[12:43] <matthew__> bummer...ok...
[12:45] <ayeizajedi> !network
[12:45] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:45] <genii> matthew__ Since udev does the autodetect for stuff during boot, it may work to immediately detect a hardware change. You could try it
[12:45] <ayeizajedi> how do you configure your network card in kubuntu ?
[12:46] <matthew__> genii, sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart ?
[12:47] <matthew__> ayeizajedi, what's the problem?
[12:47] <genii> matthew__ most likely but try without restart first so it will tell you the viable commands
[12:47] <matthew__> viable commands : start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload
[12:47] <genii> yeah so restart
[12:48] <rchovan> genii: i have another problem with my usb disk, when i go to disk trought konqueror, i can unplug it with command eject /media/usbdisk, .. but when i go to disk with krusader, and then i want unplug usb, i can't unplug it
[12:48] <berkes> genii: nah, acc. to 'free' memory is not an issue. The problem is tools that backup and rotate logs and the likes.
[12:48] <genii> maybe reload is safer first actually
[12:48] <matthew__> ayeizajedi, you can go into the Kmenu->System Settings-> Network Settings...
[12:48] <matthew__> genii, reload it is
[12:48] <berkes> oh, and some downloads/uploads of large files.
[12:48] <genii> berkes You could always tweak the cronjobs
[12:48] <matthew__> genii, nothing...gonna try restart...
[12:48] <berkes> its just that ATM the disk troughput is the bottleneck.
[12:49] <berkes> all I need is a way to list the processes that cause the disk acces.
[12:49] <matthew__> berkes, you might be interested in striped/mirrored RAIDs
[12:49] <berkes> genii: yea, sure, tweak the cronjobs. Thats what I am doing ;
[12:49] <berkes> :)
[12:49] <genii> berkes the command lsof   will always tell you what files are open
[12:49] <berkes> matthew__: no, I am not intersted in alternative solutions.
[12:49] <matthew__> berkes, ok.
[12:50] <berkes> *all* I am looking for is a way to TOP the troughput!
[12:50] <berkes> :)
[12:50] <genii> berkes What interface does your HD use?
[12:50] <berkes> matthew__: thanks for the idea though, but I already run a raid 1, backup RAID, and changing that is out of the question.
[12:50] <genii> eg: sata, scsi, ide usb etc
[12:50] <matthew__> genii, I get the message " * Loading additional hardware drivers...           [ok] ", lsusb still freezes...
[12:50] <matthew__> berkes, gotcha...
[12:50] <berkes> genii: afaik sata
[12:51] <matthew__> berkes, wow...sata is pretty much fastest...except...what? esata?
[12:51] <berkes> this is for several different systems though; two servers running on RAID1 (sata) and my desktop, running with a normal IDE.
[12:52] <genii> berkes OK... if IDE the speed can be set by passing stuff like IDE=133 or whatever to max the thoroput etc...sata I dunno if it has those options.
[12:52] <berkes> matthew__: yea, thing is, on the servers data troughput is our biggest bottleneck, but so far I cannot find any tool to top that.
[12:52] <matthew__> berkes, hmmm, tough problem...
[12:52] <berkes> I mean, top can be configured very well, it can show gazillions of parameters, yet I cannot find a way to look at disk access
[12:55] <genii> berkes Well, just to see WHAT is using the disk you can use simply something like lsof /dev/sdX   ... but of course it won't show you the speed etc only what is using the drive
[12:56] <berkes> genii: yea, i do use lsof an pipe it trough grep, but that, as you mention, show only what uses the disk. Not how ofte and how much.
[12:56] <berkes> but well, wrt disk its "either it is accessed, or its not" speed etc is all a matter of hightech hardware monitorin.
[12:57] <Shan`> ok.. i have 2 big issues here
[12:57] <Shan`> anyone
[12:57] <Shan`> here?
[12:57] <genii> berkes I imagine logging is the main culprit
[12:57] <Shan`> make that three
[12:57] <berkes> I guess I'd need to hack some script together that collects data from lsof and puts that in some DB, to calculate averages etc from it.
[12:57] <genii> berkes How much do you need your logs?
[12:58] <berkes> genii: well, its mostly the logrotates that cause problems.
[12:58] <Shan`> 1. My Live cd detects my Monitor and its settings but the Ubuntu install fails to detect the monitor (changed from CRT to LCD)
[12:58] <matthew__> Shan`, h/o
[12:58] <Shan`> h/o?
[12:59] <berkes> genii: at the moments of the rotates, a spike in e.g. database/mysql access can cause stuff to get really slooow.
[12:59] <matthew__> Shan`, hold on
[12:59] <Shan`> lol ok
[12:59] <Shan`> *holds on*
[12:59] <berkes> same goes for backups. When a backup is being made, no matter how 'nice' It is forced, the disc access slows doen the complete server
[12:59] <matthew__> Shan`, you need to go to the Kmenu->System Settings->Monitor and Display
[12:59] <genii> berkes Because you could do some trick like mount a ramdisk to /var/log then have a real dir like /var/actual. Then occasionally grep the ramdisk for errors and direct them to the actual dir
[01:00] <Shan`> matthew__, i cant do that.. monitor wont work. . so i have to use command line
[01:00] <matthew__> Shan`, oh.
[01:00] <Shan`> matthew__, more like XServer wont work
[01:00] <matthew__> Shan`, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:00] <genii> berkes Ah....you are logging to a sql
[01:01] <genii> berkes Also for backups... are you using rsync or another way like nfs etc
[01:01] <Shan`> thanx matthew__
[01:01] <Shan`> should i move onto the 2nd?
[01:01] <matthew__> Shan`, np
[01:01] <matthew__> Shan`, the second what?
[01:01] <Shan`> i have a sata hdd here.. i want to mount that
[01:02] <Shan`> problem
[01:02] <Shan`> lol
[01:02] <matthew__> Shan`, ah...ok, go for it...although i don't know how much help I'll be...
[01:02] <Shan`> how do i mount my sata drive?
[01:02] <matthew__> Shan`, I assume you've done sudo mount /dev/device ?
[01:02] <matthew__> or at least tried
[01:02] <Shan`> sort of
[01:02] <matthew__> genii, is there a special device type for sata hard drives?
[01:03] <Shan`> i didnt know what to put in place of "device"
[01:03] <matthew__> Shan`, is it a slave?
[01:03] <matthew__> Shan`, try /dev/hdb1
[01:03] <genii> matthew__ Depending on system. Normally mounted as scsi (sdX) but on systems where bios "fakes" the sata as IDE it is usual hdX
[01:04] <Shan`> mathias__, i think i got it its sda
[01:04] <matthew__> genii, thanks...
[01:04] <matthew__> Shan`, you got that?
[01:04] <matthew__> cool
[01:04] <matthew__> Shan`, so...does sda work?
[01:04] <Shan`> matthew__, yeah
[01:04] <Shan`> :)
[01:05] <Shan`> should I move onto the 3rd?
[01:05] <matthew__> Shan`, very cool. any more?
[01:05] <Shan`> hehe yes
[01:05] <matthew__> Shan`, yes, please
[01:05] <Shan`> 1 more
[01:05] <matthew__> lol
[01:05] <Shan`> well..
[01:05] <matthew__> lol, Shan` it's 4 in the morning here...lol
[01:05] <matthew__> so...your question?
[01:05] <Shan`> i installed my XP.. then installed Ubuntu Breezy Badger.. now.. when i try to boot into windows using Grub.. it gives me error 12 (Unknown FileSystem"
[01:06] <Shan`> 4 whoa!
[01:06] <Shan`> answer me and sleep!!!
[01:06] <Shan`> lol
[01:06] <matthew__> Shan`, lol...ummm, lemme look into it...k?
[01:06] <Shan`> k
[01:06] <Shan`> hehe
[01:07] <Shan`> i have to do a fixmbr thru the windows recovery console to boot into it but then i loose grub and have to setup grub again using the live cd to boot into Kubuntu
[01:07] <genii> Shan are you familiar with using command-line?
[01:07] <matthew__> Shan`, "Invalid device requested"?
[01:07] <Shan`> yeah genii
[01:07] <matthew__> Shan`, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml?style=printable
[01:07] <Shan`> yeah matthew__ something like that
[01:08] <matthew__> lol genii back off...it's my kill...arrrrr!
[01:08] <matthew__> rofl...I need sleep...lol
[01:08] <Shan`> lol
[01:08] <genii> matthew__ LOL OK I'll be a casual observer
[01:08] <matthew__> Shan`, I just laughed uncontrollably...this better be your last problem...ok...do you see the solution on the page?
[01:08] <genii> like the UN of #kubuntu
[01:08] <matthew__> genii, nice
[01:09] <matthew__> genii, remember, you have to act concerned, but really do nothing.
[01:09] <Shan`> matthew__, yeah i do see it.. but i already did that.. thats how i setup grub using the live cd.. root (hd0,2) and setup (hd0)
[01:10] <matthew__> genii, ok, you can c'mon back...what do you make of it?
[01:10] <genii> I'd like to see a pastebin of his /etc/grub
[01:10] <Shan`> wokay
[01:10] <genii> XP should be last entry doing chainload etc
[01:10] <Shan`> genii, you mean menu.list?
[01:10] <matthew__> yep
[01:11] <Shan`> genii, it has all that.. i checked it.. (cant pastebin that right now cos that hdd is disconnected to make room for the sata drive)
[01:11] <matthew__> genii, lol, that's what I'm good at...saying "yep" and "I'm out of ideas...sorry!"
[01:11] <Shan`> haha
[01:11] <genii> Shan Sorry yeah menu :)
[01:11] <Shan`> but you did sort 2 problems matthew__ .. altho need to see if the 1st one does get solved or not
[01:12] <matthew__> awww
[01:12] <Shan`> genii, it has all that.. i checked it.. (cant pastebin that right now cos that hdd is disconnected to make room for the sata drive)
[01:13] <genii> Shan OK.. it would be important to check exactly the lines tho if possible
[01:13] <Shan`> hmm.. i could come back on in like 20-25 minutes after i'm done copying some data on the sata
[01:14] <genii> eg:
[01:14] <genii> title Windows XP
[01:14] <genii> 	rootnoverify (hd0,0)
[01:14] <genii> 	chainloader +1
[01:14] <genii> Or similar
[01:14] <genii> Shan I'll be here :)
[01:14] <Shan`> sweet
[01:14] <Shan`> bbl then
[01:14] <Shan`> :)
[01:14] <matthew__> Shan`, I'll probably be in bed...but you never know...
[01:15] <matthew__> lol, Shan` is moving his pr0n collection...j/k
[01:15] <genii> heh
[01:16] <genii> OK while it's quiet i need to take a break for bathroom/coffee run/newspaper pickup etc :) be back ~10 mins
[01:16] <matthew__> run, genii , run!
[01:16] <genii> bah!
[01:17] <genii> LOL
[01:17] <Shan`> lol
[01:17] <genii> OK changing nick til I return
[01:17] <genii-away> Back in a bit
[01:17] <Shan`> very organized chap
[01:18] <Shan`> matthew__, whats the command to find the disk size and free space of a mounted drive?>
[01:18] <ayeizajedi> excuse me for being a complete n00b but how does one perform a software update on kubuntu ?
[01:19] <matthew__> lemme look...I think it's dh...
[01:19] <wizkoder> moin
[01:19] <matthew__> ayeizajedi, sudo apt-get update
[01:19] <Shan`> ayeizajedi, sudo apt-get update
[01:19] <Shan`> damn
[01:19] <Shan`> !
[01:19] <ayeizajedi> lol
[01:19] <ayeizajedi> cheers all
[01:19] <matthew__> df -h
[01:19] <Shan`> but that works if he has all the repositories enabled
[01:19] <Shan`> thanx
[01:19] <matthew__> Shan`, df -h
[01:19] <Shan`> kk
[01:19] <matthew__> no prob...surprised I remembered it in my state....lol
[01:20] <Shan`> hehe
[01:21] <ayeizajedi> !ati
[01:21] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:21] <ayeizajedi> just out of curiousity, is anyone having any major problems with ati 3d support with the binary drivers ?
[01:21] <wizkoder> Is it safe to upgrade to feisty right now? Am using edgy
[01:22] <wizkoder> I mean by replacing the repos and then apt-upgrade
[01:22] <Shan`> ayeizajedi, depends what application
[01:23] <Shan`> ayeizajedi, i had to install the ati drivers for runing Unreal
[01:23] <Shan`> the binaries that come with the install dont quite do it
[01:23] <ayeizajedi> mainly Shan` im trying to get 3D support for my X1400 mobility.  on SuSE it just doesnt work period, i was just wondering if it was an issue in ubuntu/kubuntu
[01:24] <Shan`> hmm
[01:25] <Shan`> ayeizajedi, try the latest drivers from ATI
[01:25] <genii-away> Back :)
[01:25] <ayeizajedi> yeah Shan, think im going to do that tonight when i get a chance to check it all :)
[01:25] <jordo23> Are there special soundblaster audigy drivers for Kubuntu?
[01:26] <Shan`> wb genii
[01:26] <Shan`> i think i gelped someone
[01:26] <Shan`> ecstatic even
[01:26] <Shan`> g=h
[01:26] <matthew__> Shan`, good job gelping someone...lol...it's a nice feeling, isn't it?
[01:26] <Jucato> gelped?? sounds GNOME-ish... :P
[01:26] <genii> heh
[01:26] <Shan`> lol
[01:26] <matthew__> lol
[01:26] <Shan`> sure feels good
[01:26] <Shan`> now all i need is a job
[01:26] <Shan`> lol
[01:27] <Shan`> should i try for that here?
[01:27] <jordo23> Does anyone here have a soundblaster?
[01:27] <matthew__> qsn?
[01:27] <jordo23> Anyone?
[01:27] <matthew__> jordo23, no sir.
[01:27] <jordo23> How do you install drivers for an Audigy 2sz
[01:27] <jordo23> zs
[01:27] <matthew__> alright, going to bed now...g'night everyone...
[01:27] <genii> jordo23 emu10k1 is the driver you want
[01:28] <matthew__> or...good morning?
[01:28] <jordo23> genii: Is that the package name?
[01:28] <genii> matthew__ gnite and seeya later likely :)
[01:28] <Shan`> night matthew__ thank you once again
[01:28] <matthew__> genii, very likely....np, Shan` ttyal
[01:28] <genii> jordo23 No, that is the name of the module which the audigy uses
[01:28] <jordo23> genii: How do i install it?
[01:29] <thePuck> I got a problem in kde where I launch an app and it just hangs there for a while then the indicator disappears...doesn't happen every time I launch something, but an awful lot...anyone heard of this or got a solution?
[01:29] <genii> jordo23 if on command line typing   sudo lsmod|grep emu10k1   produces a result it is already installed. If not then typing    modprobe emu10k1    should insert it manually.
[01:31] <genii> jordo23 If it is not being automatically installed there is likely some underlying issue. However, if you add it with modprobe then it works, you can force it to load every time by adding that name to the file /etc/modules
[01:31] <Shan`> thePuck, did you use kde in root mode recently?
[01:31] <Shan`> or as root
[01:32] <Shan`> thePuck, try launching the application in Konsole and show is what it says thru pastebin
[01:32] <Shan`> is=us
[01:32] <Shan`> lol
[01:32] <genii> Shan` Heh :)
[01:33] <genii> I dunno, we are almost always winging it here anyhow LOL
[01:33] <thePuck> tried that, it just hangs
[01:33] <Shan`> haha
[01:33] <jordo23> genii: Is there a way to configure the card?
[01:33] <Shan`> thePuck, it hangs is fine but at what point? what does the konsole say?
[01:34] <thePuck> nothing...the ones that dissapear just hang in the console and the ones that eventually open are normal
[01:34] <thePuck> I already got rid of the errors from the wacom stuff in xorg.conf
[01:35] <genii> jordo23 2 ways: easy is in the control panel from inside KDE.. you can do it this way IF the module is installed and works ok. The other is to force parameters to it in the /etc/modules  file
[01:36] <Shan`> brb
[01:36] <jordo23> genii: Do you configure this under Sound System, or somewhere else in KDE.....I am trying to hear sound out of my fourth and fifth speaker.. I am trying to configure the speakers like in the windows driver...
[01:37] <genii> jordo Sound System is correct
[01:37] <mefisto__> I want to install xubuntu on an old pc with just 64mb ram, and it already has kubuntu installed. Can I just install xubuntu-desktop from adept, or is there some advantage in reinstalling from a xubuntu cd?
[01:37] <genii> jordo23 Also from the speaker icon on bottom right of main screen you can set some stuff like in Windoze
[01:38] <jordo23> genii: I don't see any options to control the card though....I am in the Control Centers Sound System Display...
[01:38] <genii> jordo23 Generally that area is to select ALSA or OSS as the main system but it occasionally has other things like what mixer etc
[01:39] <jordo23> genii: Which sound system should it be set too?  What's the difference...
[01:39] <genii> jordo23 Bear with me I am on a work machine running win2000 so i can't investigate where to find things in KDE :)
[01:39] <jordo23> Genii: sorry....thanks...
[01:40] <genii> jordo23 Most times ALSA is the best choice
[01:40] <jordo23> How do you configure ALSA?
[01:40] <genii> jordo23 Thats beyond what I normally would know offhand :)
[01:41] <genii> jordo23 Mainly the problemmatic things with ALSA are the mixer however
[01:41] <genii> jordo23 And there are many help avenues available on the ubuntuforums.org  site
[01:42] <mefisto__> jordo23: I have always left things as autodetect (in the sound & multimedia section, hardware tab) and never had any problems.
[01:43] <genii> jordo23 I suspect to enable something like additional speakers in this case you would need to access the extended controls by way of the speaker icon in main screen and look at mixer settings
[01:44] <genii> Shan` Still around?
[01:44] <jordo23> Genii: How do you get to the mixer if it's not on your taskbar?
[01:45] <jordo23> Kmix?
[01:45] <genii> jordo23 Try right-click on speaker icon like in Windoze
[01:46] <genii> It may be Kmix
[01:46] <dennis__> how to install rp-pppoe gui
[01:46] <Jucato> K Menu -> Sound & Multimedia -> Kmix
[01:47] <genii> dennis__ There isn't one
[01:48] <daecu> can someone tell me how to install gnome on kubuntu?
[01:49] <genii> dennis__ However wait a moment and I'll help you
[01:49] <genii> with another method
[01:49] <LBB> daecu you can just use adept
[01:49] <daecu> LBB: and the name of the package is?
[01:50] <abattoir> daecu: ubuntu-desktop
[01:50] <genii> dennis__ Find the rp-pppoe section on this page and it will show you a way to make it accessible from KDE http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Broadband_ADSL.2FPPPoE_Client_.28RP-PPPoE.29
[01:50] <LBB> isn't it under gnome?
[01:50] <daecu> got it, called 'gnome' :P
[01:51] <daecu> oh and does anyone know how to kill add/remove? I chose j2re1.4 and its stuck at the license agreement, I can't do anything
[01:52] <jordo23> genii: Got it....thanks...
[01:52] <daecu> thing is, i dunno whether it would mess it up
[01:52] <genii> jordo23 Cool :) Glad to help
[01:52] <abattoir> daecu: close adept and run 'sudo dpkg-configure -a' in a terminal
[01:53] <daecu> ok, I will when it's finished installing gnome...
[01:53] <abattoir> daecu: wait that was not right
[01:53] <endo602> Hello Everyone.  How come when I try to save files from the Internet... it opens KATE instead of downloading to hdd?
[01:54] <genii> OK time to ask about my particular prob: Anyone know a way chroot /target , restart networking then execute a series of command on a machine that has been netbooted?
[01:54] <Jucato> daecu: that error has nothing to do with Java actually...
[01:54] <genii> preferably with sshd
[01:54] <abattoir> daecu: adept can't handle interactivity in a terminal, so it's not java's fault
[01:54] <abattoir> oh Jucato's here
[01:54] <abattoir> cool :)
[01:55] <daecu> abattoir: I know.. it's just annoying
[01:57] <endo602> can anyone help me with my problem?
[01:57] <mefisto__> endo602: what browser?
[01:57] <endo602> konqueror
[01:57] <genii> endo602 Maybe right-click then select Save Link or equivelent instead. Right now it's trying to use whatever app it figures is suitable to activate the link
[01:58] <endo602> the problem is that i cant with this link
[01:58] <endo602> its .php
[01:58] <justin_> How do you install a KDE theme?
[01:58] <daecu> why is it removing my xfce stuff when installing gnome?!
[01:58] <Jucato> justin_: what kind of theme?
[01:59] <justin_> Jucato, Umm a style theme
[02:00] <daecu> justin: give a link to where you got it
[02:00] <Jucato> justin_: you need to compile it. or if a .deb package is available, just install it
[02:00] <justin_> wow
[02:01] <justin_> Gnome is a lot easier when it comes to themes I see
[02:01] <justin_> :P
[02:01] <daecu> so is xfce :(
[02:01] <Jucato> justin_: in GNOME, you don't drag-and-drop widget styles.
[02:01] <justin_> color scheme - kicker - background etc
[02:01] <Jucato> what you are adding are actually just color schemes for the installed widget style (GTK or clearlooks)
[02:02] <justin_> That is within the directory - but there are no "c" or "o" files to compile at all..
[02:02] <Jucato> justin_: it's not a style theme, then. it's a KDE theme
[02:03] <justin_> Jucato, yes
[02:03] <justin_> ok so how do I install a KDE theme? :D
[02:03] <Jucato> (you said it was a style theme...)
[02:03] <genii> endo602 Try this please: Right-click on any lnk with .php extension. You should be able to set what app to use to open it.
[02:03] <BluesKaj> Howdy all! :)
[02:03] <Jucato> justin_: press Alt+F2, type in "kcontrol", then follow this guide: http://docs.kde.org/userguide/kde-theme.html
[02:04] <justin_> Jucato, Thanks - I was looking for some docs :)
[02:04] <mefisto__> endo602: try this: in konq, go to settings > configure konqueror. Then in the file associations section, select text, then plain, and in the "embedding" tab tick "ask whether to save to disk instead"
[02:05] <endo602> mefisto__,  thanks
[02:06] <genii> mefisto__ Good solution :)
[02:07] <mefisto__> hope it works ;)
[02:08] <genii> Interesting that it thinks php files are something to edit
[02:10] <LBB> Hi everybody!
[02:11] <LBB> My PC doesn't boot into grub, it only gets to "loading grub stage1.5"
[02:13] <daecu> I got a screenshot of the problem: http://www.collateraldesign.co.uk/screenshot.png
[02:13] <genii> LBB are you doing something like changing which drive to boot from in bios?
[02:13] <LBB> there is nothing changed to my menu.lst, and and qtparted and sfdisk give me different buth both incorrect views of my partitiontable
[02:13] <daecu> anyone know how to resolve that?
[02:14] <LBB> genii: not that I know
[02:14] <Onirim> hi all :)
[02:14] <daecu> sigh
[02:14] <daecu> so i take it you just don't install via that?
[02:14] <genii> LBB OK :)
[02:15] <LBB> genii: would it boot grub stage 1 if i did?
[02:16] <genii> LBB Likely not
[02:17] <LBB> how do i use pastebin, i'll post the info from sfdisk -l -V
[02:17] <daecu> anyone know the name of the process of add/remove applications?
[02:17] <LBB> daeco you mean remove running apps
[02:17] <genii> LBB But oftimes these issues are caused by something like 1 HD has windoze 1 HD has linux then ppl swap what drive to boot from bios but they install to the linux drive when the other is selected as bott in bios etc etc
[02:18] <daecu> well i'm going to kill the process in taskmanager...
[02:18] <daecu> since as i cant end it any other way
[02:18] <LBB> genii: I only have one drive
[02:20] <genii> LBB I suspect that your bios is seeing the drive in a particular way eg: Large or LBA   that is different than how it was detected previously when the OS was put
[02:22] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[02:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:22] <LBB> geni: sorry unclear; I didn't put on a new os, i ugraded the kernel and removed apache cause i did,'t think i needed it
[02:24] <genii> LBB Ah, OK. You may need to re-run the grub install somehow then to account for possible kernel version/module version conflicts
[02:25] <LBB> genii: i tried rerunning grub-install bu that gave an error aswell (i'll tetry and paste it)
[02:25] <genii> LBB OK put it in pastebin and I'll look
[02:26] <LBB> here is my sfdisk paste http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38216/plain/
[02:26] <LBB> now I'll go and refind the command to install
[02:27] <genii> LBB which OS you have on hda2 ??
[02:29] <LBB> genii:hda2 wa boot on ext2, go figure...
[02:29] <genii> Thats an extremely messed up sfdisk report :(
[02:32] <genii> PArtition table looks to be screwy
[02:32] <LBB> genii so how do i fix that?
[02:33] <genii> Is it booting to XP ok?
[02:33] <genii> (or whatevers on hda1)
[02:33] <LBB> no, i don't know how without a working grub
[02:34] <genii> LBB OK lemme think for a minute
[02:34] <mefisto__> I can't sudo. when I do it says sudoers file: syntax error
[02:35] <LBB> genii I guess my partition table explains why i can't install grub...
[02:36] <genii> Yp
[02:36] <genii> Yup
[02:36] <genii> LBB OK... Do you have your XP cdrom?
[02:37] <LBB> i think i have it somewhere
[02:38] <LBB> genii but I'd rather solve this and learn something about linux along the way
[02:38] <genii> LBB The basic idea here: Boot to rescue/utility/repair on CD. Do FIXMBR. Then see if you can at least boot into XP to begin with. Then onto grub
[02:39] <LBB> genii: is there no way I can solve this through the power of linux? :)
[02:40] <genii> LBB There is a good idea of what I mean at http://josephhall.org/grub_install_hda1.html
[02:40] <genii> But it has to do with Win98 so you cannot use that method for replacing the mbr. For 2K/XP you need to do the CD booting deal to repair the mbr
[02:40] <LBB> genii i have gparted an kubuntu live cd's
[02:41] <genii> LBB Do you care if your linux has to get reinstalled?
[02:42] <LBB> genii: do you have a link that explains why i need the xp-cd?
[02:42] <LBB> genii well that would be the easy way
[02:42] <LBB> I'm trying to learn something while solving the problem
[02:43] <DarkWizdom> good approach ;) painful though heheh
[02:44] <genii> LBB The reason you need the cd is because the nt loader cannot all fit on a floppy, hence the only way to boot into XP/2K etc is to use some media which can hold the boot files etc. And on the cd are utilities which can help repair the mbr to restore at least to let it boot into whatever XP it sees
[02:44] <LBB> DarkWizdom: i figure next time this knowladge will save my ass, so...
[02:45] <LBB> genii I thought the mbr only contained grub, so no MS data?
[02:45] <DarkWizdom> it would be helpful if you showed what rerunning grub setup error is
[02:45] <Sharketor> hello
[02:46] <Sharketor> Is there driver for epson dx4000?
[02:47] <xenol> how can i create shorcut to my home on desktop?
[02:47] <LBB> DarkWizdom: I'll go and fetch it
[02:47] <genii> LBB Since grub is currently bad/misconfigured/not working we need to get it to a state where the partition info has been at least partially reconstructed. Running the XP fixmbr deal will make the table at least a bit comprehensible and also likely resore your ability to boot your XP. Then the partition table will have after the first one it sees with ntfs and the rest unknow
[02:47] <Jucato> xenol: right-click on the desktop -> Create New -> Link to Application or Link to location (URL)
[02:48] <Sharketor> xenol: ln -s source destination
[02:48] <DarkWizdom> genii don't you think that that might mess up linux installation completely? I'm not sure, just a suggestion :)
[02:49] <genii> DarkWizdom That is why I asked earlier if he cared whether he needed to reinstall linux if neccessary :)
[02:49] <xenol> jucato it creates some desktop conf file is it possible to have icon on it?
[02:49] <DarkWizdom> I see :D
[02:50] <Jucato> xenol: yes. right-click on it -> Properties -> click on the icon box
[02:51] <genii> LBB I am thinking of something which just occured to me from your pastebin, which is that hda2 seems set bootable/active but perhaps hda1 requires this instead if grub was originally installed to the master table
[02:51] <LBB> genii: I'd really rather not reinstall, both since it took quite some time to finetune and I'm trying to be independant of MS (my housemates want it on there)
[02:52] <genii> LBB When you redid grub did you do it to hda1 hda2 or just hda  ?
[02:52] <DarkWizdom> got the error LBB?
[02:53] <LBB> genii: I tried hda2
[02:53] <LBB> I'll go and get the error
[02:53] <genii> grub-install /dev/hda2 would explain why it shows Amoeba as the partition type
[02:54] <genii> the partition type table was overwritten by grub mbr
[02:56] <genii> LBB as a fast experiment that won't do much more harm than has already happened I would do a grub-install /dev/hda        then set hda1 active and see if it will at least get further along than now
[02:57] <LBB> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/tempboot /dev/hda
[02:57] <LBB> The file /mnt/tempboot/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
[02:58] <LBB> tempboot is hda2
[02:59] <genii> LBB OK lemme think for a bit
[02:59] <LBB> genii: just read your amoaba remark, but don't fully get it
[03:00] <genii> LBB You are on a livecd?
[03:01] <LBB> genii yes
[03:03] <genii> LBB re Amoeba etc - When you have a partition, at the beginning of where it starts certain info is kept regarding what filesystem it uses and so on. If you overwrite for instance somehow the bytes which represent the partition-type, it alters what fs it believes is on that partition
[03:03] <genii> LBB ok so don't bother mounting any of hda partitions, /dev should have hda hdb etc etc
[03:04] <genii> LBB just grub-install /dev/hda
[03:04] <genii> sudo of course :)
[03:05] <LBB> genii: so grub should always be ond hdX1
[03:05] <LBB> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub-install /dev/hda
[03:05] <LBB> Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
[03:05] <LBB> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[03:06] <genii> bleh
[03:08] <DarkWizdom> hmm
[03:08] <genii> OK so try like before eg:sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/tempboot /dev/hda1
[03:09] <genii> You are mounting hda2 no probs apparently
[03:09] <LBB> genii:The file /mnt/tempboot/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
[03:10] <LBB> genii what do you mean mounting hda2?
[03:10] <genii> LBB OK lemme think some more :)
[03:11] <genii> LBB before you put "--root-directory" switch you had something like     mount -t ext2 /dev/hda2 /mnt/tempboot      yes?
[03:12] <genii> and able to ls stuff inside /mnt/tempboot?
[03:12] <LBB> yes
[03:12] <LBB> and yes
[03:13] <genii> OK umount anything mounted hda then do fsck on hda2
[03:13] <DarkWizdom> just wanted to say that :D
[03:13] <genii> DarkWizdom :)
[03:14] <LBB> genii what do you mean by "umount anything mounted hda"
[03:14] <genii> LBB eg: umount /mnt/tempboot
[03:14] <genii> LBB then mount|grep hda        should produce no result
[03:15] <genii> You cannot file system check a mounted drive easily :)
[03:16] <genii> It may give some complaints about magic block numbers etc
[03:16] <LBB> ok, so now :"fsck /dev/hda2" ?
[03:16] <genii> LBB Yes
[03:17] <genii> LBB If it keeps needing you to manually confirm stuff over and over let me know ASAP
[03:17] <LBB> genii: /boot: clean, 47/44176 files, 20724/88357 blocks
[03:18] <Chrissie> hi all
[03:18] <genii> LBB OK so looks like stage1 file somehow is messedup
[03:18] <BluesKaj> hi Chrissie
[03:18] <genii> LBB gimme a minute
[03:19] <dropsl> hi
[03:19] <shenmue> I can receive a mail from system with subject like "Debian security status of $HOSTNAME" sometimes
[03:19] <Chrissie> hi, can you tell me how to get a karamba applet to start at start-up of the machine?
[03:20] <shenmue> could anybody tell me which daemon sent this mail?
[03:20] <genii> LBB OK, fdisk/whatever /dev/hda2 and change the partition type to linux. Do you know how to do this?
[03:21] <dropsl> on my laptop i have kubuntu 6.10 installed. the laptop has a dvd-drive with 8x read speed support. but when i copy files from dvd to my harddisk the whole system gets slow and the maximum copy-speed is 1.1mb.... how can i change this? thanks for your help
[03:22] <genii> LBB Then inside fdisk  use "w" command to write the change
[03:23] <LBB> genii "fdisk/whatever /dev/hda2 and change the partition type to linux" is just a bit to fast, i can man it ofcourde
[03:23] <jeff_> hello
[03:23] <genii> LBB I'll walk you tthru it then :)
[03:24] <genii> LBB OK... type in:   fdisk /dev/hda
[03:24] <genii> LBB Now should be inside fdisk where it says something like "hit m for help"
[03:25] <LBB> genii yes but also "The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 39704."
[03:25] <genii> LBB Thats fine
[03:26] <genii> LBB Now type "p" to get a list of the partitions
[03:26] <LBB> should i pastebin?
[03:26] <genii> nope
[03:27] <LBB> ok
[03:27] <genii> LBB Just make sure fdisk sees hda2 as bootable andas Amoeba type
[03:27] <genii> LBB Is like that?
[03:28] <LBB> yes, but also Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary
[03:28] <genii> LBB Thats fine
[03:28] <Chrissie> damn, there's some serious computing going on. i'll come back some other time with my karamba question. good luck to LBB!!
[03:28] <genii> LBB Now type "t"
[03:28] <LBB> number
[03:28] <genii> Chrissie :)
[03:28] <genii> LBB Number is 2 of course :)
[03:29] <runpain> God day all
[03:30] <genii> LBB I always forget at this point whic partition type is linux and use the key it says to list them all
[03:30] <mefisto__> amen runpain
[03:30] <luh> hi
[03:30] <runpain> Had to stay Home today With wife to help her she has broken foot
[03:30] <luh> which package do i need for german spellchecking in openoffice?
[03:30] <runpain> waiting for nurses to show O_o
[03:30] <genii> LBB perhaps it is 8f but do the key for the list to make sure
[03:31] <runpain> be rite back
[03:31] <runpain> o installing ubuntu CE
[03:31] <LBB> genii don't see ext2 on there
[03:32] <genii> LBB That is fine. We do not need to put FS type only OS right now, eg: linux....which I just looked up and it is partition type 83
[03:32] <mefisto__> luh: there is a wizard in openoffice to install dictionaries. File > Wizards > install new dictionaries
[03:32] <neko_> When using the "detailed list view", in konqueror, and selecting an image, then changing directory with the up arrow thing, it goes back to an icon view. I have saved the "view profiles". Any ideas?
[03:32] <genii> LBB So put type 83
[03:33] <runpain> i already made her breakfast and now i am making mine too
[03:33] <LBB> ginii: done
[03:33] <genii> LBB Good :) Now put "w" to finish up
[03:34] <runpain> OOO what a beuitful day the Lord has made
[03:34] <mefisto__> neko_: I've been struggling with this for a while. I can tell you what I did, but it doesn't always work.
[03:34] <LBB> Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy.
[03:34] <momal> my computer wont eject the cdrom tray... eject /dev/cdrom says device is busy how do I make it un busy without rebooting.. I can't umount it either says its busy and nothingis up using it.
[03:35] <LBB> momal: see if you have any files or dir's open on it
[03:35] <genii> LBB That usually means it is still mounted someplace. Did you make sure to do umount /mnt/tempboot    or whatever so not using the drive we are trying to alter?
[03:35] <momal> ugh i see.. seemsthere was a konquer window running with it open but it wasn't showing in task bar >_<
[03:36] <LBB> yea, and i also did the grep-check
[03:36] <runpain> it loks like the installatio is going well so far 5:44 remaining
[03:37] <LBB> genii:mount|grep hda give nothing
[03:37] <genii> LBB OK, good. It may have actually done the alteration but it sometimes takes a reboot before it will report the changes correctly.
[03:37] <mefisto__> neko_: in konq, right-click a folder and choose properties from the menu. Then click the spanner button to edit what folders will do in kde. Go to the "Embedding" tab and move Multicolumn view to the top of the list.
[03:38] <genii> LBB So it took you out of fdisk then. OK, do again fdisk /dev/hda      then do "p"    to see if shows it now for hda2 as linux partition and not Amoeba
[03:38] <neko_> mefisto__: Ok, i'll try it. I'm probably just gonn go back to dapper then tho. ;)
[03:39] <mefisto__> neko_: I did that in dapper. Did it not have the same prob for you in dapper?
[03:39] <LBB> genii:yep
[03:39] <neko_> Damn, dapper too. x_x
[03:39] <genii> LBB OK. Are you still in fdisk?
[03:40] <LBB> yes
[03:40] <genii> LBB Because we can now set hda1 to be bootable
[03:40] <cdr> hi
[03:41] <genii> LBB But for now I think we should try to reboot as is and see if grub progresses or not
[03:41] <neko_> mefisto__: That works good thanks.
[03:41] <runpain> i tried ichthux last nite and it would hang at the login i would login and it would recycle back to login so now i try Ubuntu CE
[03:41] <runpain> 1:15 left
[03:41] <genii> LBB So "q" to quit fdisk then of course testing time
[03:41] <LBB> but first type a enter 1 right?
[03:41] <runpain> :04
[03:42] <runpain> :32
[03:42] <genii> LBB Well since you are there now, OK, do it :)
[03:42] <LBB> genii: to make hda1 bootable?
[03:42] <runpain> X_X
[03:42] <runpain> :04
[03:42] <LBB> genii: ok see you in a bit
[03:42] <runpain> running ****
[03:42] <genii> LBB OK I'll be here
[03:43] <DarkWizdom> emm, sorry to intervein, but why are you making hda1 bootable? shouldn't that be hda2? :)
[03:43] <DaSkreech> Can I grep for only a full word?
[03:43] <DaSkreech> like grep a file
[03:43] <DaSkreech> and it won't return aardvark ?
[03:44] <Jucato> grep "\bword" I think? not really sure
[03:44] <genii> DaSkreech No grep returns partials as well
[03:44] <genii> Ah OK misunderstood question LOL
[03:44] <runpain> config system locals
[03:44] <runpain> 80%
[03:45] <runpain> 82%
[03:45] <runpain> scanning mirror
[03:45] <DaSkreech> Jucato: do the \bword with a
[03:45] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Is it grep \ba ?
[03:45] <Jucato> I think so
[03:46] <runpain> downloading package list
[03:46] <wbadger> hello people, can someone please tell me what ubuntu<number> means in package names?
[03:46] <runpain> setting up clock
[03:46] <runpain> 86%
[03:46] <Jucato> wbadger: might want to ask in #ubuntu-motu as they're the guys responsible for packages
[03:47] <wbadger> Jucato, thanks
[03:47] <genii> DaSkreetch from man grep:
[03:47] <genii> --word-regexp
[03:47] <genii>      (GNU Extension)
[03:47] <genii>      Select only those lines containing matches that form whole words.
[03:47] <genii>      The test is that the matching substring must either be at the
[03:47] <genii>      beginning of the line, or preceded by a non-word constituent
[03:47] <genii>      character.  Similarly, it must be either at the end of the line or
[03:47] <genii>      followed by a non-word constituent character.  Word-constituent
[03:47] <genii>      characters are letters, digits, and the underscore.
[03:47] <Jucato> !pastebin | genii
[03:47] <ubotu> genii: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:47] <Jucato> :)
[03:48] <genii> Jucato Yeah I know :)
[03:48] <Jucato> I know that you know. which makes it all the more sweeter to pipe it to you :P
[03:48] <genii> Notice it wasn't tagged as a flood
[03:50] <genii> OK I need coffee ... if LBB returns please let him know I'm returning :)
[03:50] <DaSkreech> genii: ah yes thanks
[03:50] <DaSkreech> It slightly eases the problem :)
[03:51] <neko_> How to change zip file association with konqueror? I remember once I deleted some files to do this, but can't find the site again.
[03:51] <RoKFiT> i just installed and my monitor goes haywire at login
[03:52] <ubuntu_> hejus!
[03:52] <RoKFiT> can anyone help
[03:52] <RoKFiT> jucato
[03:52] <RoKFiT> intelikey
[03:52] <RoKFiT> anyone
[03:53] <Jucato> RoKFiT: what kind of haywire?
[03:53] <DaSkreech> RoKFiT: Do you have a live CD?
[03:53] <RoKFiT> like my display is like 5 in one
[03:53] <murchadh_bhaba> RoKFiT, Try ctrl^alt^+/- on the numeric keypad. Try turning on/off numlock also. Seems to be too high a refresh rate.
[03:53] <runpain> crap installer crashed
[03:53] <Jucato> neko_: in Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations
[03:53] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Hey!
[03:53] <BluesKaj> wbadger, the hirgher the number the more recent the the release is
[03:54] <ubuntu_> DaSkreech : hej
[03:54] <RoKFiT> what does numlock do?
[03:54] <runpain> why
[03:54] <Jucato> RoKFiT: go to the command line (press Ctrl+Alt+F1), stop KDM (sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop), reconfigure X (sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg) and then restart X (sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start) ?
[03:54] <ubuntu_> how to change the nick?
[03:55] <Jucato> ubuntu_: /nick <nickname>
[03:55] <ubuntu_> thanks jucato
[03:56] <murchadh_bhaba> RoKFiT, Sorry, I'm just unsure whether it should be on or off  for this to work? And I'm on a DSL-n laptop where that doesn't work. ??)
[03:56] <ubuntu_> but not working
[03:56] <ubuntu_> but thanks
[03:56] <wbadger> BluesKaj, actually the software's release doesn't necessarily change but the patches applied to it do
[03:57] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: type in /nick <newname>
[03:57] <RoKFiT> no, that does not work
[03:57] <DaSkreech> wbadger: In Ubunut releases the first number is hte year and tecond number is the month it came out
[03:58] <RoKFiT> i'll try jucatos method
[03:58] <murchadh_bhaba> ubuntu_, What software do you use?
[03:58] <ubuntu_> Da Skreech i was make so : /nick <patwiecz> and not working
[03:58] <wbadger> DaSkreech, I'm not talking about ubuntu releases I'm talking about packages, like for example openoffice.org 2.0.4-0ubuntu4
[03:58] <murchadh_bhaba> RoKFiT, Yeah, it's all covered there.
[03:58] <runpain> trying to install Kubuntu 6.10 now
[03:58] <ubuntu_> int not nessesary to change my nick
[03:58] <cdr> *: I'd like to download the 6.10 image, but can only find descriptions for the CD. What's the difference to the DVD image (available via torrent)? Didn't find anything in the FAQ either.
[03:58] <DaSkreech> wbadger: Ah then it depends on the package I think
[04:00] <rohan> is it safe to delete the diagnostic partition in a new laptop ?
[04:00] <rohan> acer has made hda1 as some diagnostic recovery partition ..
[04:00] <runpain> sure but it is a difficalt proscces
[04:00] <BluesKaj> ok wbadger , so what was your real question ?
[04:01] <RoKFiT> Jucato, after sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop, i'm left at a black screen with a cursor
[04:01] <genii> RoKFiT I had this exact same prob due to the vesa driver being installed by default. I had an intel i810 card. When I hand edited the xorg.conf to specify i810 it fixed it
[04:01] <ubuntu_> sorry for that question but on witch server find i randezwous chat?
[04:01] <wbadger> BluesKaj, <wbadger> hello people, can someone please tell me what ubuntu<number> means in package names?
[04:01] <RoKFiT> okay, how do i do that
[04:01] <Jucato> RoKFiT: yes. press Ctrl+Alt+F1 again to go back to the command line
[04:02] <wbadger> BluesKaj, but I was told in #ubuntu-motu it means the number of patches to the package
[04:02] <wbadger> or so I understand
[04:02] <rohan> also, can i convert a primary partition to encase it within a logical one ?
[04:03] <runpain> dont know that one ro
[04:03] <rohan> ok
[04:03] <genii> rohan Does this partition include some XP distro that you are supposed to make your installation CDs from?
[04:03] <runpain> can i install kubuntu then do the ubuntu ce install??
[04:04] <rohan> genii: hda1 probably does
[04:04] <genii> rohan Did you do that prior to now? (make your install CDs etc)
[04:05] <rohan> no
[04:05] <rohan> i have not created the rescue disk
[04:05] <runpain> i like ub's ce desktop and such
[04:06] <runpain> i also i like ichthux too
[04:06] <RoKFiT> why does the pc sometimes shut off at bootup?
[04:06] <LBB> hi I'm back
[04:07] <genii> rohan If you don't care about having it then you can continue. If not I would boot up to the XP and burn off your install CD first before wiping it. But it's safe to do that (wipe hda1)
[04:08] <LBB> why is it that "sudo passwd root" does not ask for the old PW?
[04:09] <rohan> ok, thanks, genii
[04:09] <LBB> aon kubuntu live
[04:09] <genii> LBB wb :)
[04:09] <LjL> LBB: because there is no old password?
[04:09] <LjL> Ubotu, tell LBB about sudo | LBB, see the private message from Ubotu
[04:09] <Jucato> There is no password on the Live CD
[04:09] <genii> LBB Any developments on the grub ?
[04:10] <LBB> LjL: also after i exit and do it again,it's the same. but the pw is set differently (other sudo's ask for it)
[04:11] <LjL> LBB, not following you. if you set a root password, then you get a root password... while there was previously none
[04:11] <LjL> and on the live CD, there's no user password even
[04:11] <LjL> (but that's different, the root account is *disabled*, while the user simply has an empty password)
[04:15] <LBB> LjL yes, i've succesfully set my pw for root, did an exit to become regular user, did su root and checked if my pw was set, did exit again, and tried to set my root pw again, succesfully, without being asked for my new pw
[04:16] <LjL> LBB, you *exited* and then used "*sudo* passwd root" again to set it, right? that's the point - sudo does not ask for the *root* password, but for the *user* password (which happens to be blank and so is not asked at all)
[04:16] <LjL> why do you care at all on the Live CD anyway?
[04:18] <LBB> LjL: I'm not sure how bad it is, just wanted to check,but if you guys say it's OK, then I guess I'l go back to my boot prob again...
[04:18] <genii> LBB I'm ready for round 2
[04:18] <genii> :)
[04:19] <LBB> genii: thanks, I got to the grub boot and should probably edit my menu.lst and such right?
[04:19] <genii> BluesKaj heh !
[04:19] <genii> LBB So after the changes it progressed past where it was going before?
[04:20] <genii> stage1 etc etc
[04:20] <LBB> yep, I meant to say I got to the grub> commandline
[04:20] <LBB> wich is stage2 i guess
[04:20] <genii> Yup
[04:21] <genii> LBB Yes, so now the editing of /etc/grub/menu.lst is in order
[04:23] <LBB> ok, since i didn't backup my menu.lst I'll be a while, I hope to see you back for round 3!
[04:24] <genii> LBB I will have to leave this computer in a bit and go home where the electricity is off for the next 3 hours. So if you say now, I will make an appointment to meet you here when my juice comes back on in 3 hours
[04:25] <genii> BluesKaj LOL
[04:25] <BluesKaj> :) genii
[04:25] <genii> We had a nasty incident involving raccooons and power lines
[04:25] <LBB> genii: confused, are you serious?
[04:26] <LBB> so how do you know when the power will be back up?
[04:26] <genii> LBB I just pulled an allnighter at work. My boss is coming in shortly to do his shift which means taking this computer.
[04:27] <genii> LBB The hydro company telephoned us to say it would be off for 4 hours starting at 9AM which was 90 minutes ago. So sometime after that
[04:28] <genii> I imagine I'll know when it comes back on becase my ups will stop beeping LOL
[04:28] <LBB> ok good luck with that and thanks so far!
[04:29] <genii> LBB Glad to help :)
[04:31] <LBB> genii: my menu.lst seems unchanged
[04:31] <LBB> I'll !pastebin
[04:32] <LBB> hey, I thought typing !pastebin invoked a bot with a reminder of the link?
[04:33] <runpain> !pastbin
[04:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:33] <runpain> !pastebin
[04:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:34] <runpain> there u go lbb
[04:35] <LBB> OK so here's my menu.lst http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38225/
[04:35] <LBB> runpain: what did i do wrong?
[04:36] <runpain> wait
[04:36] <LBB> !pastebin
[04:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:36] <LBB> ok got it
[04:36] <runpain> what you doing
[04:37] <runpain> gota go brb
[04:37] <LBB> my pc boots into the grub> commandline and a conversation with genii thought me i needed to edit my menu.lst, but it seems unchanged from the old (working) menu.lst
[04:40] <genii> LBB OK I had to deal with some incoming phonecalls here but mostly returned now til my boss shows
[04:40] <genii> LBB gimme a minute to check pastebin etc etc
[04:42] <brandon_> why does my video driver not stick?
[04:42] <brandon_> i switch it, reboot and it switches back
[04:44] <genii> brandon_ switch it, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   then reboot
[04:44] <dawid> yyiyitrttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
[04:45] <genii> LBB OK, are you getting during grub boot the list of kernels etc at all which can be loaded?
[04:45] <dawid> iuuuuuuuuuuuu
[04:45] <LBB> genii: no just grub> commandline, (or do you mean before that?)
[04:47] <genii> LBB OK. So we have repaired the file system type of hda2 etc etc. But we now need to do the step which failed previously which is the    grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/tempboot /dev/hda
[04:48] <LBB> genii: ofcourse, should have thouht of that myself!
[04:48] <genii> LBB Where /dev/hda2 is mounted on /mnt/temboot etc etc so it can now find the menu.lst
[04:49] <LBB> genii:
[04:49] <LBB> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/temp /dev/hda
[04:49] <LBB> rm: cannot remove `/mnt/temp/boot/grub/stage1': Permission denied
[04:50] <LBB> sorry forgot sudo...
[04:50] <genii> LBB :)
[04:50] <genii> me too
[04:53] <trym|work> anyone used taskjuggler?
[04:55] <xenol> !edgy
[04:55] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[04:56] <genii> LBB is it still chugging away?
[04:57] <Lynx> How can I make Kubuntu installer install the system on a reiserfs partition? I select the mount point as "/" for the partition, and all what it does is writing "No root file system selected"
[04:57] <genii> heh he left already LOL
[05:00] <xenol> where can i plz allow google fast search plugin to konqueror?
[05:01] <Guardian> xkb wise, what is the grab group ?
[05:01] <brandon_> sup yall
[05:01] <BluesKaj> Lynx, ubuntu uses extfs ,reiserfs isn't supported
[05:01] <brandon_> on boot i have an error message, something about trying to recover
[05:01] <brandon_> i forget
[05:01] <LBB> genii: got to the grub> again
[05:02] <genii> Lynx You may find something useful here: http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2006/10/ubuntu_edgy_install_frustratio.html
[05:02] <Lynx> BluesKaj: then  explain me in what way Ubuntu 6.06 was working fine on reiserfs
[05:02] <genii> LBB OK lemme think a minute :)
[05:03] <xenol> where can i enable google plugin for konqueror plz?
[05:04] <genii> LBB ok at grub prompt:    grub> find /boot/grub/stage1
[05:04] <BluesKaj> Lynx, reiser is an option only after ubuntu is installed , some ppl still use it... dunno exactly how it's done
[05:04] <LBB> genii is the grub-prompt from the livecd ok
[05:05] <genii> LBB Yup
[05:05] <Lynx> BluesKaj: I selected reiserfs when I was installing Ubuntu 5.10, which I later upgraded to 6.06
[05:05] <LBB> genii: Error 15: File not found
[05:05] <Lynx> and it all owrked fine
[05:06] <Lynx> and, what fs would you recommend for me to use as root?
[05:06] <genii> bleh
[05:06] <genii> LBB Maybe not OK for livecd grub prompt then :(
[05:06] <LBB> genii should that path go to a manual mount of /boot
[05:06] <mefisto__> xenol: not really sure what you're asking, but take a look in konq's Settings menu > configure konqueror, then go to the "web shortcuts" section
[05:07] <genii> LBB Hangon did you type in the "grub>" part or just the part after?
[05:07] <Jucato> xenol: what are you looking for? there's already a Google search bar installed and enabled by default in Konqueror when you run it as a web browser
[05:07] <LBB> genii after
[05:07] <genii> LBB OK just checking :)
[05:07] <BluesKaj> Lynx, well, all i know is that dapper 6.06 and edgy 6.10 use the extfs and don't support reiserfs , however that could be for a clean install...perhaps an upgrade via the internet is different
[05:07] <xenol> jucato i dont have it :/
[05:09] <Jucato> xenol: go to a web page (any web page), then go to Settings -> Configure Extensions -> check if the search bar plugin is enabled
[05:09] <xenol> jucato thx
[05:09] <Lynx> BluesKaj: do you think that ext3 is fine?
[05:09] <BluesKaj> yes
[05:09] <genii> LBB Well, there is a page to sort of help you here:
[05:09] <genii> http://orgs.man.ac.uk/documentation/grub/grub_3.html
[05:09] <genii> Relevant area is the part about native install. This is the process more or less I would walk you thru
[05:10] <LBB> genii: i did "find /mnt/tmp/boot/grub/stage1" after mounting it and got the same
[05:11] <LBB> genii ok i'll go read
[05:11] <genii> LBB Ah yeah it will all be relative paths to the livecd ... it needs to be done from the HD grub unfortunately :(
[05:13] <LBB> genii so doing "sudo mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/tmp -t ext2" before isn't the same?
[05:13] <genii> LBB in your case it will be hd(0,1) which corresponds to hda2   (bios hd(0,0)  = linux /dev/hda1   )
[05:14] <genii> LBB no, because the livecd is using it's own bootloader which pre-empts the one we need to get to on the HD from even starting
[05:15] <LuanFerreira> Help-me!
[05:15] <genii> LBB It *MUST* be done at the grub prompt the hd is giving to work
[05:15] <LBB> genii ok so I go reboot do root (hd0,1) then setup (hd0,1)
[05:15] <genii> LBB You got it :)
[05:15] <LBB> thanks!
[05:16] <genii> LBB wait
[05:16] <LBB> ok
[05:16] <LuanFerreira> I have a pendrive
[05:16] <genii> there still?
[05:16] <LBB> yep
[05:16] <xenol> !source-o-matic
[05:16] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic.  It does not currently support Edgy sources.  When asked if it will, the reply was "maybe".
[05:16] <LuanFerreira> and i copy the .iso to pendrive
[05:16] <moody_> #ubuntu-pl
[05:16] <LuanFerreira> how i can boot the .iso using pendrive?
[05:17] <genii> LBB Good :) After you do the first 2 commands you can try to boot after by typing in vmlinuz
[05:17] <LBB> genii ok, is that all?
[05:17] <LuanFerreira> how i can boot the kubuntu.iso using pendrive?
[05:17] <genii> LBB Yeah
[05:18] <LBB> thank you!
[05:18] <genii> np... have to go
[05:18] <genii> bye all
[05:18] <LBB> bye
[05:18] <LuanFerreira> how i can boot the kubuntu.iso using pendrive?
[05:19] <BluesKaj> LuanFerreira, you change the the boot sequence in the BIOS so that the C drive is last in the list and make sure your cdrom drive is empty
[05:20] <BluesKaj> then the pc should boot from the pen drive
[05:20] <LuanFerreira> I've changend but the pc dont boot from the pendrive
[05:20] <LuanFerreira> :(
[05:25] <kamui> any way to stop cron from mailing me every 5 minutes when it runs my crontab entries?  I tried the MAILTO="" in /etc/crontab, but it had no effect
[05:28] <snook353> anyone know how to fix azureus problem?if you have a router/firewall, please check that you have port 16179 UDP open.  Decentralised trakcing requires this.
[05:30] <conn> hi, I just installed Kubuntu and set everything up, but two of my partitions aren't automounting; every time I log out & in, the partitions are dismounted. How do I stop this from happening?
[05:31] <fdoving> conn: what type of partitions?
[05:31] <conn> fdoving: an ext3 and ntfs partition
[05:33] <genii> I had to deal with a customer... thought it was my boss arriving for work but no such luck LOL
[05:34] <mefisto__> LuanFerreira: take a look at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1062799&postcount=100
[05:34] <genii> Does anyone know if LDD returned with some type of status update?
[05:37] <BluesKaj> no genii, LBB is still away
[05:37] <genii> BluesKaj Thanks :)
[05:38] <Chrissie> hello again
[05:38] <BluesKaj> genii, is LBB trying to protect data on the partitions ?
[05:39] <Chrissie> aaaaargh, I can't believe the LBB computing is still on!
[05:39] <genii> BluesKaj He is totally unable to boot after upgrading his kernel apparently
[05:39] <genii> Chrissie LOL
[05:39] <BluesKaj> hi Chrissie, again
[05:39] <genii> Chrissie What do you need help wth ?
[05:40] <Chrissie> don't want to interrupt, but I was wondering how to 'stick' a karamba apllet so it starts at each boot... but it can wait, in view of the seriousness of LBB problem
[05:40] <matroblend> Hello I had to reinstall xp and now I can't get option to boot Kubuntu
[05:40] <genii> Chrissie He is absent for the moment...
[05:41] <fdoving> !ntfs | conn
[05:41] <ubotu> conn: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[05:41] <BluesKaj> Chrissie, LLB isn't here atm
[05:41] <Chrissie> matroblend: quick fix: get rid of xp, worked for me marvellously, not more pbm booting
[05:42] <matroblend> I would love too but I need it for some things
[05:43] <matroblend> Do I have to reinstall kubuntu to get option for boot linux or xp
[05:44] <BluesKaj> Chrissie, I'm still too gutless to dump XP...I plan to eventually but til I can write to the linuxbox from wifes windows pc I'm stuck with the XP partition. Samba works great from linux to windows and windows to windows on our little network, but windows to linux has me baffled.
[05:45] <mefisto__> matroblend: do you have a livecd?
[05:45] <genii> Chrissie About karamba specifically I dunno... but for anything normally you want to run always on X startup you put in the file /home/*YOURNAME*/.Xsession
[05:45] <matroblend> Yea some where here
[05:45] <mefisto__> matroblend: see here -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[05:45] <matroblend> ok ty
[05:46] <ziggy> hi all, how can I change the theme of gtk applications ?
[05:46] <Chrissie> genii: I think I found the solution in the session manager. Thanks, I'll go search the forums if it doesn't work.
[05:46] <ziggy> given I'm under kde
[05:46] <Skrot> Hi. Anyone know of a one-liner to recursivly rename everything into lower case?
[05:46] <BluesKaj> !gtkthemes
[05:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gtkthemes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:46] <genii> Chrissie eg already in there maybe something like a line:    startkde        or similar.   So if I wanted firefox for instance to run each boot I put after that:  && firefox
[05:47] <BluesKaj> !gtk-themes
[05:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gtk-themes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:47] <genii> Chrissie OK :)
[05:47] <BluesKaj> !themes
[05:47] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[05:47] <ziggy> !changethemes
[05:47] <ubotu> Install gnome-themes (gnome) or go to menu, system settings, appearance (KDE).  For a good KDE guide, see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1255036&postcount=3
[05:48] <genii> !gtk toolkit
[05:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gtk toolkit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:48] <genii> bleh
[05:48] <ziggy> ok thanks genii that should be ok
[05:50] <murchadh_bhaba> conn, You need to add them to your /etc/fstab. !fstab
[05:58] <kay> !de
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[05:58] <darkserver> help someone know something about java
[05:58] <darkserver> please i need to put some music in my test proyect
[05:58] <genii> OK now a question of mine: Anyone know a way after an automated netboot (headless) to /chroot, do a warm system HUP with sshd  to avoid having to boot once more with tftpboot or mess with cables/bios etc
[05:59] <fdoving> !java | darkserver
[05:59] <ubotu> darkserver: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[06:01] <genii> !jakarta
[06:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jakarta - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:01] <genii> hmm
[06:01] <_alan> darkserver: this *may* help - I know nothing about java - http://www.jsresources.org/examples/index.html
[06:04] <ubuntu> hi all
[06:05] <darkserver> thanks
[06:05] <LBB> hi all, back for LBB grub round IV
[06:07] <runpain> how do i set up root to login
[06:08] <runpain> !root
[06:08] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:08] <LBB> runpain: you mean root as default login?
[06:09] <runpain> yes too
[06:09] <runpain> so i can sign in as root or user
[06:09] <kTaste> nabend
[06:10] <mefisto__> runpain: just curious, why do you want to login as root?
[06:10] <runpain> why cause i want to point and click on folders and the such too screw up my own systemO_o
[06:11] <runpain> LOL
[06:11] <runpain> that was a joke partly
[06:11] <runpain> the screw up system part
[06:11] <runpain> ;}
[06:11] <LBB> runpain: you need to logout (end current session) and login as the first user you made, from there you can sudo (assuming you use ubuntu)
[06:12] <mefisto__> runpain: you can run konq as root with kdesu konqueror
[06:12] <Jucato> run any GUI app as root with kdesu, log into a "root session" in the command line with "sudo -i"
[06:12] <runpain> hmm got two responses
[06:13] <runpain> uh got the third one
[06:13] <runpain> how do i make root on login list
[06:14] <malik__> hi there guyz.........is there any real benefit for average linux user in installing crossover office?
[06:15] <allee> runpain: a real root session is as dangerous thing.  But look at /etc/kde3/kdm  to system setting, advanced, login manager.  We warned you. Root desktop sessions are evil
[06:15] <_alan> *nods*
[06:16] <runpain> ok
[06:16] <allee> runpain: eh, /etc/kde3/kdmrc or  that is
[06:16] <runpain> but i had no problem with them in mepis
[06:16] <Jucato> runpain: that page about RootSudo explains all you need/want to know
[06:16] <runpain> not
[06:17] <runpain>  i am using ubuntu ce and there is no kdmr in the kde3
[06:17] <Jucato> CE? that would be using GNOME, right?
[06:17] <mefisto__> what is ce?
[06:18] <Jucato> Christian Edition, I presume
[06:18] <allee> runpain: so you use gdm are login manager?  Well, no idea, never configured/used it
[06:18] <mefisto__> oh god
[06:18] <Jucato> runpain: again, that page about RootSudo has all the instructions, be it for GNOME or KDE
[06:18] <runpain> ok
[06:20] <Alumin> Hi, I'm trying to get a Bluetooth device (D-Link DBT-150 USB dongle) working to talk to my phone...I can see some stuff in /var/log/messages indicating that, at some level, the kernel sees the device's insertion
[06:21] <Alumin> I have the "bluetooth" module loaded ... running 6.06 by the way
[06:21] <crube_> I have shortcuts to folders in my home directory. Is there a way to get them to open in the same windows instead of opening a new one.
[06:22] <Alumin> "hciconfig -a" returns nothing
[06:22] <kay> !de
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[06:24] <karmikaze> anyone know if this wpa_supplicant is supposed to "just work" once you install it
[06:25] <karmikaze> had a look at the wifi wiki and it makes it sound like its meant to just work with knetworkmanager
[06:25] <karmikaze> but knetworkmanager isnt showing any wifi networks, while wlanassistant is showing all the networks but not connecting
[06:28] <LBB> karmikaze there've been some questions about that here
[06:28] <karmikaze> nod
[06:28] <karmikaze> yeah ive not been able to get the wifi working consistantly in edgy at all :(
[06:28] <karmikaze> connect once to a network with no encryption, and nothing has happened since
[06:28] <mefisto__> crube_: do folders normally open in a new window, or the same window?
[06:29] <karmikaze> its like i will do a fresh install of kubuntu, be able to connect to one network once, then i can never connect to anything again
[06:29] <crube_> Same window
[06:29] <karmikaze> its been very frustrating
[06:29] <crube_> mefisto__:  just the folder shortcuts open in a different window
[06:30] <karmikaze> ive read a bunch of those wiki pages and a bunch of forums, but no one really has a clear answer as to what is going on
[06:30] <genii> LBB I'm still at work :) Any luck
[06:31] <LBB> hey genii :), i'm afraid not :(
[06:31] <hazard_> karmikaze: your name fits your problem, but beyond that, I know i've gotten a wireless card working perfectly on a headless debian box
[06:31] <genii> bleh
[06:31] <karmikaze> nod hazard_
[06:32] <LBB> genii Error 27: Unrecognized command
[06:32] <hazard_> just manual configuration of /etc/networking/interfaces I think it was (given I have no idea what kubuntu's wireless scheme is like)
[06:32] <genii> karmikaze Do you have some Broadcom adapter?
[06:32] <karmikaze> nope
[06:32] <genii> karmikaze OK
[06:32] <karmikaze> 06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[06:32] <karmikaze> the card is supported
[06:32] <karmikaze> and it works
[06:32] <karmikaze> i can see networks
[06:32] <karmikaze> but not connect
[06:32] <karmikaze> and i thought the issue was cos my network is wpa
[06:32] <hazard_> The card I've got is some ultra-cheapo (as in ultra-sucky) no-name card, its working under ndiswrapper
[06:32] <karmikaze> but i have wpa_supplicant
[06:33] <runpain> yahoo got the root
[06:33] <karmikaze> dhcp isnt responding for some reason
[06:33] <karmikaze> even when i manually enter my encryption key in iwconfig, i still cant get an address
[06:33] <karmikaze> so i duno :P
[06:33] <runpain> now i can really screw up system (LOL)
[06:33] <runpain> :p
[06:33] <hazard_> I had some trouble getting the binding between ndiswrapper iwconfig and ifconfig working at first.
[06:34] <karmikaze> i dont think i need to go to ndiswrapper though
[06:34] <hazard_> karmikaze: does you network selectively allow mac addresses?
[06:34] <karmikaze> like i said the card is detected and i can see things, and i conected once to an open network
[06:34] <hazard_> If its supported, then no you shouldn't (but its an option anyway)
[06:34] <karmikaze> i think its the wpa thing, but im not sure
[06:34] <karmikaze> the wifi works fine in suse and in windows
[06:34] <karmikaze> but kubuntu wont connect me
[06:35] <karmikaze> !pastebin
[06:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:35] <hazard_> I generally avoid wireless for this kind of reason
[06:35] <justin_> Does anyone get the gam_server memory leak?
[06:35] <hazard_> (wow that was bad grammar)
[06:35] <karmikaze> id run a cable if i could, but its pretty far :P
[06:35] <LBB> genii i went truogh the root and setup ok but then i did vmlinuz.  I read a bit and now I think i should have done "kernel vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-386" is that correct?
[06:36] <karmikaze> is there a way to search the paste bin?
[06:36] <hazard_> cables=good (not neccessilirily faster anymore, but still, there's no encryption to worry about, better latencies, and no matter how you look at it, there's no 'easy' way to have the connection randomly drop)
[06:36] <karmikaze> yeah ethernet all the way...
[06:36] <genii> LBB 1 minute, boss here
[06:37] <karmikaze> but like i said its not always an option, im on a laptop and move a lot and need it to work :P
[06:37] <runpain> so cool
[06:37] <hazard_> Of course, wired connections can die if the cables are cut, or a router/switch/hub explodes, but that dosen't happen...often
[06:37] <karmikaze> mrrr
[06:37] <runpain> got it going on
[06:37] <karmikaze> i swear it worked fine with dapper
[06:37] <karmikaze> maybe i should just downgrade
[06:37] <hazard_> bleh, downgrade.
[06:37] <karmikaze> i think ive done about 9 reinstalls this month -_-
[06:37] <hazard_> does kubuntu use the same network system setup as debian?
[06:38] <hazard_> karmikaze: just for this?
[06:38] <karmikaze> i tried ubuntu alt, that didnt even find my wifi card
[06:38] <karmikaze> yeah i need wifi
[06:38] <karmikaze> its cruicial
[06:38] <hazard_> crucial or critical? :P
[06:38] <karmikaze> both
[06:38] <karmikaze> im tired of rebooting 5 times a day to get into suse just so i can use my wifi
[06:38] <karmikaze> im working on lots of network projects
[06:39] <karmikaze> and often only have wifi access so i can do my work
[06:39] <hazard_> have you tried setting it up manually in cfg files? (dump all the GUI stuff and just install the command line stuff)
[06:39] <karmikaze> yeah ive tried with iwconfig
[06:39] <karmikaze> everytime its dhcp that fails
[06:39] <karmikaze> everything is configured and up
[06:39] <karmikaze> but i cant get an address
[06:39] <karmikaze> bunch of crypt forums with similar problems
[06:39] <karmikaze> but no answers
[06:40] <karmikaze> closest answer ive gotten was illuding to wpa issues
[06:40] <hazard_> just to be clear, you're configuring the card with iwconfig, then setting it up with ifconfig?
[06:40] <karmikaze> but i have the supplicant
[06:40] <karmikaze> configuring with iwconfig, and ifup
[06:40] <karmikaze> checking with kcontrol
[06:40] <karmikaze> everything is there enabled and configured
[06:40] <hazard_> but did you TELL it to do anything with ifconfig?
[06:40] <karmikaze> but everytime i dont get response from dhcp
[06:40] <karmikaze> route is sound too
[06:40] <karmikaze> it knows where the gateway is and everything
[06:40] <karmikaze> its weird @_@
[06:41] <hazard_> (I don't think you'd need to, but you might need to instruct ifconfig to make wlan0 (or whatever) a dhcp device, and to get an address.
[06:41] <karmikaze> i dunno bout ifconfig specifically, ive tried so many walk throughs and howtos :P
[06:41] <karmikaze> im getting all mixed up
[06:41] <genii> LBB There is some other directive like :    boot(hd0,0):/vmlinuz-whatever-whatever
[06:41] <hazard_> If not, you could try setting up a static Ip and pinging the router to see if you at least have a connection (then you've norrowed it down to dhcp)
[06:42] <karmikaze> ive never had to reboot linux this much in my life lol
[06:42] <genii> LBB But try to just cold-boot it to see if the other changes took perhaps
[06:42] <karmikaze> yeah tried the static ip thing too
[06:42] <karmikaze> didnt work any better @_@
[06:42] <hazard_> no pinging?
[06:42] <karmikaze> i should try it again
[06:42] <karmikaze> actually thats a point
[06:42] <hazard_> (because unless you know a valid DNSserver's IP you can't ping names in a static IP configuration)
[06:42] <karmikaze> i'll grab all my suse connection stats and try to force them in kubuntu
[06:43] <karmikaze> yeah ive watched the resolve.conf
[06:43] <karmikaze> dont see any problems outright
[06:43] <karmikaze> but i'll check again
[06:43] <hazard_> I don't even know what resolve.conf is, so it can't be that important (and I *KNOW* I had similar *VAUGE* problems when I was setting up the wireless card I've got working)
[06:44] <karmikaze> resolve holds the dns server address and search path
[06:44] <hazard_> Ah...you should need that if DHCP is working
[06:44] <karmikaze> i guess what i should really try is disabling my encryption and working up from there
[06:44] <karmikaze> dhcp should set resolve on its own
[06:44] <hazard_> and it shouldn't affect the ability to ping IPs directly at all
[06:45] <karmikaze> there was something else i noticed, it really doesnt like ! in my encryption key
[06:45] <karmikaze> which is a bit retarded cos no other distro has a problem with it
[06:45] <karmikaze> i escape it on the commandline and it works, but im not sure if the gui needs escaping or not
[06:46] <karmikaze> ok well ty guys, ive got some ideas on other areas to look at
[06:46] <hazard_> you SHOULD be able to ping ips directly after asscoating with the wireless network and giving yourself an IP, then informing the configuration of the IP of the network gateway.
[06:46] <hazard_> then for all intents and purposes, if ping works, then the connection does to, and its just some stupid dhcp probelem
[06:46] <hazard_> that cold huh?
[06:48] <karmikaze> heh yeah
[06:48] <LBB> genii tried the reboot allready but grub> prompt again
[06:49] <hazard_> The windows in my dorm here suck, when its cold and windy out, the only thing that keeps me not-freezing is the wall of empty cheezit-boxes fillilng up the windows.
[06:49] <hazard_> (oddly enough they're FAR more effective than the windows at keeping out the cold-not so much the wind though, so the windows have their use)
[06:50] <LBB> genii so i need to read up on boot instead of kernel vmlinuz
[06:51] <rizwaan> media error: "malformed url"
[06:51] <rizwaan> whenever i insert a cd or usb disk
[06:51] <rizwaan> earlier i deleted my .kde and Desktop folder..
[06:52] <rizwaan> with a *new* user the error is not there
[06:52] <kay> !de
[06:52] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:52] <moody> #ubuntu-pl
[06:52] <rizwaan> hello.. anybody here..
[06:53] <hazard_> rizwaan: so take their .kde folder
[06:53] <hazard_> and you need the Desktop folder so the system has somewhere to but the hotlink to the volume I think
[06:53] <rizwaan>  /media/disk is created with root.root permission
[06:53] <hazard_> and...?
[06:53] <rizwaan> hence, can't access media/disk
[06:53] <hazard_> where did that come into you recreating your desktop folder?
[06:54] <hazard_> ~/Desktop is needed so the systsem can create the hotlink to the volume MOUNTED in /media
[06:54] <hazard_> (I think, I'm pretty sure its just some funny kind of file)
[06:55] <rizwaan> hmmm..
[06:55] <rizwaan> i'll copy the *new* users's folder to my folder
[06:55] <rizwaan> and change the ownership
[06:55] <hazard_> Does the new user have a Desktop folder?
[06:55] <rizwaan> yes
[06:55] <rizwaan> i too have
[06:55] <hazard_> You just SAID you deleted it!
[06:56] <rizwaan> i logged on afterwards
[06:56] <rizwaan> may be with .kde folder
[06:57] <rizwaan> brb
[07:05] <dominik> ok
[07:06] <hazard_> eggs?
[07:09] <genii> OK all gotta go> Any last questions real fast? LBB, etc?
[07:09] <genii> 5
[07:09] <genii> 4
[07:10] <genii> 3
[07:10] <genii> 2
[07:10] <genii> 1
[07:10] <Darkkish> lalalla
[07:10] <Darkkish> hi
[07:10] <Darkkish> and thanks again
[07:10] <Darkkish> or not
[07:10] <Darkkish> XD
[07:13] <Darkkish> wahhh
[07:14] <karmikaze> if i have an ethernet wire plugged in can i still connect to wifi
[07:14] <karmikaze> or do i have to remove the cable
[07:14] <Darkkish> so is 2GB too big of a swap?
[07:14] <karmikaze> nah its not too big
[07:14] <Darkkish> no it should work karmikaze
[07:14] <karmikaze> i use 1gb typically
[07:14] <karmikaze> i duno if youd need 2gb really
[07:14] <Darkkish> i only have 512MB of ram on my linux comp so its probably a waste of space
[07:14] <Darkkish>  but its a 60GB drive so no worries.
[07:14] <karmikaze> unless you were running a lot of applications that need swapping
[07:15] <hazard_> you can
[07:15] <hazard_> its just I'm not quite sure which one the system is going to choose to use (and it might be tricky to test wireless that way)
[07:15] <Darkkish> lol it might not work for testing internet
[07:15] <Darkkish> but it will work just fine
[07:16] <hazard_> I think you can tell PING to use a specific interface, but that probably wouldn't be a good indicator of weather or not DNS lookups are working
[07:16] <ovidiu> join
[07:16] <ovidiu> #suceava
[07:17] <karmikaze>  /join #suceava
[07:17] <Darkkish> yay
[07:17] <Darkkish> this morning my wireless has decided not to work
[07:17] <karmikaze> welcome to hell Darkkish :P
[07:17] <Darkkish> i mean its all working
[07:17] <karmikaze> whats your issue?
[07:17] <karmikaze> but not connecting?
[07:17] <Darkkish> it just won't connect to the router
[07:17] <Darkkish> yeah
[07:17] <karmikaze> :P
[07:17] <karmikaze> welcome to my world
[07:17] <hazard_> my wireless card sometimes jsut dies, everything will say its working, but its clearly not, (for example, I'm in the woods, where there IS no wireless)
[07:18] <karmikaze> lol
[07:18] <Darkkish> lol
[07:18] <Darkkish> it has to be exercised everyonce in a while
[07:18] <Darkkish> :p
[07:18] <karmikaze> whipped you mean
[07:18] <karmikaze> lol
[07:18] <Darkkish> lol
[07:19] <hazard_> but that's because my wirelss card is physically directrly above my CPU heat sink-plate-thing, and when the system gets to hot, wirelss starts doing strange things
[07:19] <Darkkish> lol
[07:19] <Darkkish> well mines a laptop
[07:19] <hazard_> this is a laptop also.
[07:19] <Darkkish> and it was a gift idk where the wifi card is or who installed it
[07:19] <Darkkish> its definitly a wifi card problem thoguh
[07:20] <Darkkish> because i can't even connect to this persons router who doesn'[t have wep
[07:20] <hazard_> of course, both this computer and its wireless card are old (I've only got wireless B)
[07:20] <hazard_> but it works just fine.
[07:21] <Darkkish> is there any way to automate typing in the root pass every damn new thing i open?
[07:21] <hazard_> are you talkying about terminal windows?
[07:22] <Darkkish> no
[07:22] <hazard_> or ttys?
[07:22] <Darkkish> .. ttys?
[07:22] <Darkkish> whats a ttys
[07:22] <Darkkish> oh wierd
[07:22] <Darkkish> LMFAO
[07:22] <hazard_> ctrl-alt-f* (f7 is the default one)
[07:22] <Darkkish> dude
[07:22] <Darkkish> the wireless switch on the front of the lappy was switched to off
[07:23] <hazard_> Yes, you're a moron then.
[07:23] <Darkkish> (it never mattered in windows, i assumed it wsan't hooked up to anything at all)
[07:23] <karmikaze> lol
[07:23] <hazard_> the windows driver probably gets to access a command that isn't normally there in the system
[07:23] <hazard_> so the switch is for stuff that dosen't know about the 'special' command.
[07:24] <hazard_> yes, the (in this case not proverbial) broken/fixed switch.
[07:24] <Darkkish> lol karmikaze i just disabeled it and tried to enable it and it was going "enabling" for about 20 seconds, so i fliped the switch on the front, retried enabling and it enabled in a split second
[07:25] <karmikaze> heh
[07:25] <karmikaze> ok well i can connect instantly to non encrypted wifi networks
[07:25] <karmikaze> another weird thing is knetworkmanager doesnt seem to detect that wifi is working
[07:25] <karmikaze> but wlanassistant works fine
[07:25] <hazard_> That reminds me of the time a bios was complaining about 'can't find hd0', which I was at a loss to explain, until I realized that hd0 was in fact, not physically present.
[07:25] <karmikaze> heh
[07:26] <hazard_> Given the machine _HAS_ 14 drives in a standard case, remebering which drive is actually considered hd0 is no easy task (or noticing that it and its carrage are gone).
[07:26] <dominik> hello world :)
[07:26] <karmikaze> lol
[07:27] <hazard_> yea, so needless to day it was quite happy and worked perfectly again once I put the drive back in where it was supposed to be.
[07:28] <Darkkish> 14 drives?
[07:28] <hazard_> karmikaze: I seem to recall that some wireless key handlers don't like certian characters ( '!' seems like it'd be one of them)
[07:28] <hazard_> yes, 14 drives. In a case meant for 4.
[07:28] <karmikaze> indeed
[07:29] <karmikaze> its weird tho suse doesnt mind !
[07:29] <Darkkish> why hazard_?
[07:29] <karmikaze> but i'll try changing my key first
[07:29] <hazard_> because stacking more (free junk) drives into a case is cheaper than buying large drives.
[07:29] <Darkkish> lol
[07:29] <rohan> the compiz-kde package does not exist on edgy. how do i get AIGLX working on kubuntu, with compiz ?
[07:30] <Darkkish> I'd rather have one 100GB drive than ten 10GB drives
[07:30] <rohan> i have intel GMA 950, so i guess aiglx is the best choice ?
[07:30] <hazard_> Of course, getting them all to interface correctly requires some major creativity.
[07:30] <Darkkish> even if it cost me $80
[07:30] <dominik> i have a computer that does not even detect that there's a wireless usb device attached...
[07:30] <Darkkish> I bought a 400GB seagate drive for $80
[07:30] <hazard_> Yes, well, if I had 10 10gb drives, I'd span them so they'd appear as 1.
[07:30] <Darkkish> still
[07:30] <dominik> how do I make the computer detect the usb...?
[07:31] <hazard_> I've actually been considering fixing up the system so its less wildly bizzare, and getting a few large drives
[07:31] <karmikaze> dunno darkkish, having a big drive fail on you can be a pretty scarring experience :P
[07:31] <karmikaze> not that its happened to me, but ive had friends lose 300gb
[07:31] <karmikaze> that really sucks :P
[07:32] <hazard_> (but then I'd need to buy a REAL power supply, since my present power 'solution' is plenty POWERFUL, but it isn't exactly stable (or standard)
[07:32] <dominik> but, my other computer automatically picks up the wireless network without me doing anything..
[07:32] <hazard_> Heh, I had a friend with a 320 that fell out of its case, the drive still works, but the process of being pulled out of the enclosure while active completley screwed over the windows file system.
[07:32] <dominik> but my other computer tells me that no usable wireless devices found :(
[07:32] <xenol> plz wa is katapult for?
[07:32] <xenol> wat
[07:32] <karmikaze> what is the device dominik and what distro is your other system
[07:33] <fdoving> !katapult | xenol
[07:33] <ubotu> xenol: katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[07:33] <hazard_> Linux & the afore mentioned machine with 14 smaller drives recovered all his stuff.
[07:33] <karmikaze> ooo katapult sounds cool!!
[07:33] <dominik> karmikaze: am using kubuntu 6.06 and the usb is d-link
[07:34] <karmikaze> dmesg reporting that it is connected?
[07:34] <hazard_> ah, karmi, you've got 6.10 right? it worked just fine in 6.06?
[07:34] <karmikaze> yeah hazard_
[07:34] <hazard_> oh, wait dominik!=Darkkish
[07:34] <karmikaze> its working on unencrypted networks now hazard_
[07:34] <karmikaze> im making a new key for my network, see if that makes a difference
[07:34] <hazard_> thinky-thread terminated.
[07:34] <Darkkish> whats up?
[07:35] <xenol> !krita
[07:35] <Realistic_Dragon> !kst
[07:35] <ubotu> krita: a pixel-based image manipulation program for the KDE Office Suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 2463 kB, installed size 7768 kB
[07:35] <ubotu> kst: A KDE application used for displaying scientific data. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.1-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 3 kB, installed size 36 kB
[07:35] <hazard_> air, and beyond that lots of open space.
[07:35] <xenol> !inkscape
[07:35] <ubotu> Inkscape is a powerful vector graphics drawing application - see http://www.inkscape.org/ for more
[07:35] <xenol> !graphic tools
[07:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about graphic tools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:35] <Darkkish> and whats after that hazard_
[07:35] <xenol> !graphics programs
[07:35] <hazard_> more space (or perhaps quarks)
[07:35] <hazard_> (or ether)
[07:36] <hazard_> Then I'm sure it eventually somehow loops in some mindcrunching way.
[07:37] <karmikaze> what are you after xenol
[07:37] <dominik> but when I run the kubuntu on my second computer, it picks up the wireless network...
[07:37] <mefisto__> I've got a question about Konversation: what do the nick colours mean?
[07:37] <ninHer> trying to install svn packet for gimp....warning; break packets
[07:37] <hazard_> does your 2nd computer have the same wireless card?
[07:37] <ninHer> and i can't install it
[07:37] <dominik> yes hazard
[07:37] <xenol> karmikaze i just want to know it there aint a list of all good graphic programs for ubuntu
[07:38] <ninHer> svg sorry
[07:38] <karmikaze> id go to adept or whatever and search graphics or soemthing
[07:38] <hazard_> dominik: no idea then, karmikaze seems to have some attraction to weird wireless problems though
[07:38] <karmikaze> what sort of graphics work you trying to do, painting, vectoring, photo manip?
[07:38] <dominik> hmm..
[07:38] <sean> Hey guys, just installed Kubuntu. :)
[07:38] <ninHer> i'm using adept right now
[07:38] <xenol> vectoring
[07:38] <karmikaze> dominik: pastebin your 'dmesg' when you plug in the device
[07:38] <muzscman> has anyone ever gotten the ati drivers to install for a laptop ati 200m?
[07:38] <xenol> got inkscape also gmp but i also onstalled blender
[07:38] <xenol> installed
[07:38] <karmikaze> in my experience usb wifi devices hate me even more
[07:38] <karmikaze> lol
[07:38] <ninHer> trying to open a svg file
[07:38] <BluesKaj> mefisto__, if enable nick colors, the nicks in the text take on various colors
[07:39] <karmikaze> svg
[07:39] <junky> hello
[07:39] <karmikaze> inkscape should do it
[07:39] <junky> can some one help me please
[07:39] <xenol> i know
[07:39] <hazard_> karmikaze: you just need to find the broken/fixed switch!
[07:39] <xenol> but any other program u know about?
[07:39] <karmikaze> lol yea
[07:39] <ninHer> thanks karmikaze
[07:39] <karmikaze> xenol vector programs?
[07:39] <junky> i see with low resolution colors videos and pictures why??
[07:39] <hazard_> (and I need to find an RA who isn't pass-out drunk)
[07:39] <junky> i have installed vidia drivers
[07:39] <xenol> yeah
[07:39] <karmikaze> hrmm
[07:40] <xenol> karmiakze well all kind of graphic program
[07:40] <dominik> how do I pastebin  my 'dmesg' ? sorry...am still learning these things :)
[07:40] <karmikaze> oh
[07:40] <xenol> !paste
[07:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:40] <karmikaze> well i like gimp a lot, krita is nice and simple
[07:40] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: yes, but who gets what colours?
[07:40] <karmikaze> domink on the command line run dmesg right after you plug in your usb thing
[07:40] <junky> plzzz
[07:40] <hazard_> I'm gunna go RA hunting, be back later.
[07:41] <karmikaze> xenol: i think inkscape is really the standard vector program these days
[07:41] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: eg, who gets colour 1, colour 2, etc? is it just randomly assigned to nicks just to look pretty, or does it have some meaning?
[07:41] <xenol> ah
[07:41] <karmikaze> but yeah search adept for vector, you might find some others
[07:41] <ninHer> karmikaze: yep, but i was trying to open it up with gimp
[07:41] <ninHer> it has a plug- in for
[07:41] <xenol> do u know any page where i can find most of open source softs and their review?
[07:42] <karmikaze> ah ninHer im not sure if gimp does svg, but inkscape defo does
[07:42] <karmikaze> xenol: linux format magazine has great reviews
[07:42] <junky> any one can  help  me plesase?
[07:42] <karmikaze> not sure about any sites in particular tho
[07:42] <ninHer> karmikaze: anyway....it worked inkscape
[07:42] <ninHer> lol
[07:42] <karmikaze> cool :)
[07:42] <ninHer> thanks again
[07:42] <karmikaze> np
[07:42] <ninHer> yweah
[07:42] <xenol> karmikaze u know some web page? i am kinda new and dont know a lot about these things
[07:43] <karmikaze> hrmm
[07:43] <Darkkish> is contact like OE?
[07:43] <sean> Haha, I feel like such a noob, I can't figure out how to run this Flashplayer installer. >.<
[07:43] <Darkkish> kontact*
[07:43] <Darkkish> sean lol
[07:43] <Darkkish> if you are downloading from adept
[07:43] <Darkkish> you have to click "view details"
[07:43] <karmikaze> lol sean
[07:43] <karmikaze>  ./flashinstallerfile
[07:43] <karmikaze> :)
[07:43] <karmikaze> did you unpack the tar?
[07:44] <sean> Yeah.
[07:44] <sean> It's in my home folder.
[07:44] <karmikaze> ok
[07:44] <karmikaze> cd into the folder it made
[07:44] <karmikaze> there should be some installer file
[07:44] <sean> Yeah.
[07:44] <karmikaze> and to run it you use ./thefile
[07:44] <sean> I've been double clicking on it for like 5 minutes. ^_^
[07:44] <karmikaze> nah use commandline
[07:44] <karmikaze> it asks you questions
[07:44] <hazard_> is it a source file? or a precompiled binary?
[07:45] <dominik> actually, the wireless use device is already plugged into the back of the computer, and all I had to do was insert the LiveCD and restart the computer..
[07:45] <Darkkish> why don't se just use apt-get?
[07:45] <karmikaze> ah did it work dominik
[07:45] <karmikaze> ive always used the manual flash installer
[07:45] <karmikaze> but yeah apt should work fine
[07:45] <Darkkish> yeah
[07:46] <sean> What should?
[07:46] <hazard_> a duck
[07:46] <sean> Sorry, just installed, I've no idea what I'm doing. :p
[07:46] <aleksanteri> !kate
[07:46] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), terminal based: vi/vim, emacs, nano (user-friendly). HTML/CSS editors: !html; Programming: !code
[07:46] <dominik> ...and after that successfully loading the system, I'd go to KStart->Internet-> Wireless Assistence..
[07:46] <karmikaze> sean, can you open up a terminal?
[07:46] <VR_> !code
[07:46] <ubotu> Programming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, eclipse, pida
[07:46] <weedar> Okay, this is odd. I'm able to print test pages, but I can't print from applications like Acrobat Reader or Kpdf - Anyone got any ideas?
[07:46] <karmikaze> menu > system > konsole
[07:47] <rohan> how do i stop kmix starting on every login ?
[07:47] <dominik> that is where am getting the window message that there is no usable wireless device  :-(((
[07:47] <hazard_> weedar the pdf might be coded to not allow itself to be printed
[07:47] <fdoving> rohan: close it before loging out.
[07:47] <sean> Yeah, karmikaze
[07:47] <karmikaze> dominik: did you have it plugged in while you installed
[07:47] <karmikaze> ok sean
[07:47] <sean> I've got Kate open.
[07:47] <karmikaze> sean what?
[07:47] <karmikaze> lol
[07:47] <rohan> already did that, fdoving
[07:47] <rohan> didnt work
[07:47] <karmikaze> you still trying to do flash?
[07:47] <sean> Yeah.
[07:47] <karmikaze> on the konsole, cd flashdirectory or whatever it is
[07:48] <karmikaze> yah me too hazard_ lol
[07:48] <karmikaze> once you are in the flash directory in the konsole use the ./flashinstaller to run the program
[07:48] <jason_> i keep having this problem with firefox, it just keeps closing itself all of a sudden, what could b wrong with it?
[07:48] <hazard_> GAHH!!! I wanna go on break, but I need an RA to sign me out...
[07:48] <karmikaze> yeah same jason_
[07:48] <karmikaze> i dunno what it is.. buggy ff version or something
[07:49] <dominik> yes, karmikaze
[07:49] <karmikaze> hrmm
[07:49] <jason_> yeah, must be
[07:49] <hazard_> or a series of html/scripting exceptions it couldn't deal with.
[07:49] <karmikaze> dominik: so when you pull it out and plug it back in, does dmesg say there are any errors with the usb device?
[07:49] <chris_wafer> Salut  tous
[07:49] <karmikaze> it often crashes when i open a lot of new tabs suddenly
[07:49] <karmikaze> or do anything suddenly lol
[07:49] <dominik> nope, nothing
[07:49] <karmikaze> hrmm
[07:49] <karmikaze> not a good sign dominik
[07:50] <karmikaze> if dmesg isnt detecting a new device being added
[07:50] <hazard_> karmikaze: it might just be that the system just dosen't know its a device for networking.
[07:50] <karmikaze> i dont really know
[07:50] <karmikaze> but it should detect that something is there
[07:50] <hazard_> (or it requsts USB2 and the system dosen't have it)
[07:50] <karmikaze> even if it doesnt know what it is
[07:50] <karmikaze> not that id know how to fix it at that level
[07:50] <karmikaze> but its a starting point :P
[07:50] <dominik> but when I boot my other computer up with the same LiveCD, it works like magic there
[07:50] <hazard_> OR, the usb header is internally disconnected or disabled (that one was fun to figure out)
[07:50] <karmikaze> heh
[07:50] <weedar> hazard_: you might be right, I'm able to print from kedit it would seem
[07:51] <karmikaze> same distro version dominik?
[07:51] <xenol> karmikaze plz how can i make shortcut to my home folder on my desktop?
[07:51] <dominik> yep. the same CD
[07:51] <hazard_> but that would result in an infinite recursive loop!
[07:51] <hazard_> (which are great fun, but bad practice)
[07:51] <karmikaze> xenol: were you looking for reviews?? http://www.linux-magazine.com/
[07:52] <karmikaze> i used to subscribe to that magazine its great for people starting out
[07:52] <karmikaze> you can find it at any big bookstore too
[07:52] <karmikaze> weird dominik
[07:52] <hazard_> OH...WAIT, xenol: do you know how to open a terminal?
[07:52] <dominik> I've been banging my head on the table, and it begining to halt now...
[07:53] <xenol> hazard_ lol yes
[07:53] <hazard_> headbanging...that sounds like me during my calc2 final (which I stand a 90% of having failed)
[07:53] <karmikaze> xenol you got the home dir on your toolbar??
[07:53] <karmikaze> just drag it onto the desktop from there
[07:53] <xenol> i got there only system
[07:53] <hazard_> xenol: ln -s ${HOME} ${HOME}/Desktop/Xenols_House
[07:53] <hazard_> I think, but I might have the paths backwards
[07:54] <karmikaze> xenol: right click the desktop, create new link to location
[07:54] <hazard_> or that.
[07:54] <karmikaze> then just add /home/username
[07:54] <hazard_> (but I like my way better)
[07:54] <xenol> well it creates only desktop conf file
[07:54] <karmikaze> heh
[07:54] <karmikaze> yeh me too hazard_ ;D
[07:54] <xenol> if u mean that
[07:54] <mefisto__> xenol: to make a shortcut, just drag the folder to the desktop (or anywhere you want it to be), and when you drop it, a menu comes up. choose "link here"
[07:54] <xenol> and no icon or anything white
[07:55] <xenol> thx
[07:55] <karmikaze> np
[07:55] <karmikaze> oh
[07:55] <karmikaze> haha
[07:55] <karmikaze> yeah
[07:55] <karmikaze> that too
[07:55] <kkathman> does anyone know why knotify starts up at boot?
[07:55] <hazard_> heh, OSX dosen't know what to think of me having a symlink on my desktop to my desktop.
[07:56] <karmikaze> yeah ff crashes whenever i try to open more than one tab at a time
[07:56] <hazard_> I'm going to stap confusing it before I break something {else}.
[07:56] <karmikaze> if i wait for it to load then open the next tab its fine
[07:56] <sean> karmikaze:  Got a terminal open.
[07:56] <karmikaze> ok sean
[07:56] <sean> Had to go to the loo, sorry. :)
[07:56] <hazard_> I thought seen was all better...?
[07:57] <karmikaze> sean: do     cd flashdirectoryname
[07:57] <karmikaze> or whatever its called
[07:57] <karmikaze> that will put the konsole in the directory
[07:57] <hazard_> or you could drag the flash folder to the terminal window
[07:57] <karmikaze> ooh thats clever
[07:57] <karmikaze> heh
[07:57] <sean> ok
[07:58] <karmikaze> ok sean now do ls
[07:58] <hazard_> Well, its the only way I can get anywhere when I'm feeling insane, and have unicode characters in file names.
[07:58] <karmikaze> you see all the files in there
[07:58] <sean> yeah
[07:58] <karmikaze> sean: then you can run the installer by doing     ./flashinstallerthing
[07:58] <soulrider> hi everyone
[07:58] <karmikaze> should be easy from there
[07:58] <hazard_> hi8 mauro_
[07:58] <soulrider> is it posible to resize a EXT3 partition without losing data ?
[07:58] <soulrider> it only has a few GB used
[07:58] <sean> Thanks mate, sorted. :)
[07:59] <karmikaze> yeah soulrider i think that should be ok with qparted
[07:59] <karmikaze> sean: :D
[07:59] <soulrider> qparted or qtparted ?
[07:59] <hazard_> I'd probably just clone the drive anyway.
[07:59] <karmikaze> yeah qtparted
[07:59] <fdoving> soulrider: it's possible to increase the partition size, but not decrease.
[07:59] <karmikaze> heh
[07:59] <soulrider> ahh k
[07:59] <karmikaze> yeah backup anything cruicial
[07:59] <karmikaze> but it should be fine really
[07:59] <soulrider> fdoving:  :(
[07:59] <karmikaze> oh fdoving?
[07:59] <soulrider> that REA::Y sucks
[07:59] <karmikaze> boo
[08:00] <soulrider> ah damn
[08:00] <karmikaze> well id back up anything critical before playing with partitions anyway
[08:00] <fdoving> soulrider: actually.. you can. i read 'without rebooting'.. of course you can resize it.
[08:00] <xenol> karmikaze i made somt stupid thing i wanted to change icon and i changed icons of all folders :( how can i remove it? need ot find folder icon,
[08:00] <soulrider> fdoving: so i can reduce the size?
[08:00] <karmikaze> hrm
[08:00] <soulrider> i need to split it into 2 actually
[08:00] <karmikaze> not sure xenol, you wanna change ALL folder icons, or just one
[08:01] <fdoving> soulrider: yes, that's possible. i'd recommend a livecd with qtparted or gparted. there is a gparted-livecd that is good.
[08:01] <xenol> only one
[08:01] <karmikaze> ah right click it
[08:01] <soulrider> i got the kubuntu live CD
[08:01] <soulrider> i dont really trust it though
[08:01] <soulrider> also
[08:01] <karmikaze> properties, and click the image
[08:01] <karmikaze> you can change it like that
[08:01] <soulrider> will it screw kubuntu up? last time i did something like that it went ebrserk
[08:01] <karmikaze> >_>
[08:01] <soulrider> my root is sda1, i want to partition sda3
[08:03] <hazard_> you want to make sda3 a diffrent size? (and youa ctually do have 3 partions on the drive? [sda1 swap and sda3?]  and your drives are really scsi? [sata uses sd* notation?] )
[08:03] <soulrider> yes, its a SCSI drive
[08:03] <soulrider> i got
[08:03] <soulrider> sda1 as root
[08:03] <soulrider> sda2 as swap
[08:03] <soulrider> and sda3 for stuff
[08:03] <soulrider> i wnat to split sda3 into 2
[08:03] <hazard_> nice, what kind? Scsi1->scsi3Ultra?
[08:03] <karmikaze> yeah that should be fine soulrider
[08:03] <soulrider> i think its SCSI3
[08:03] <Darkkish> use a partition manager?
[08:04] <soulrider> are SCSI drives good? my dad bought it :P
[08:04] <karmikaze> scsi is fastest
[08:04] <karmikaze> :)
[08:04] <karmikaze> nice drives usually
[08:04] <Darkkish> yah :D
[08:04] <soulrider> ohh
[08:04] <soulrider> :D
[08:04] <karmikaze> ^_^
[08:04] <soulrider> awesome!
[08:04] <karmikaze> ata < sata < sata2 < scsi
[08:04] <karmikaze> scsi ftw!
[08:04] <soulrider> w00t
[08:04] <hazard_> Scsi Drives are generally faster than IDE, and scsi3Ultra is still faster than SATA2 (not by much though) however, there's other advantages, like the fact that even half-decient scsi controllers be the crap out of most sata controllers
[08:05] <soulrider> that just made my day LD
[08:05] <soulrider> :D
[08:05] <karmikaze> mmm
[08:05] <karmikaze> hehehe
[08:06] <xenol> wat is better? firefox or konqueror and thunderbird or kmail?
[08:06] <xenol> !kmail
[08:06] <ubotu> kmail: KDE Email client. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2174 kB, installed size 6724 kB
[08:06] <soulrider> xenol: Opera
[08:06] <rohan> xenol: depends on your choice :p
[08:06] <karmikaze> i love konqueror, dunno why i dont use it more...
[08:07] <soulrider> weird.... i got a DVD i burned here
[08:07] <karmikaze> better what what?
[08:07] <lupine_85> konq. ++
[08:07] <karmikaze> mail???
[08:07] <soulrider> but linux wont show any file son it or anything
[08:07] <fdoving> xenol: konqueror and mailody (mailody.net)
[08:07] <Darkkish> i use firefox
[08:07] <Darkkish> i just like it
[08:07] <soulrider> like if nothing was inserted
[08:07] <fdoving> !mailody
[08:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mailody - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:07] <hazard_> I love konqueror's name, I hate the program
[08:07] <lupine_85> kmail ~=
[08:07] <Darkkish> i've heard konq runs smother
[08:07] <karmikaze> i havent tried kmail in years, last time i did it ate all my imap mail D:
[08:07] <Darkkish> smoother
[08:07] <soulrider> xenol: i use Opera for browsing and email
[08:07] <Darkkish> ... ew
[08:07] <karmikaze> thunderbird is very good for mail, simple
[08:07] <Darkkish> i tried opera i just can't get used to it, it has no extensions
[08:07] <karmikaze> mailody sounds cool
[08:07] <lupine_85> thunderbird is too slow for me
[08:08] <Darkkish> i happen to be installing thunderbird right now
[08:08] <lupine_85> but I can't get used to mutt :p
[08:08] <xenol> well since konqueror is everything it is browser file viewer FTP client wat else it is?
[08:08] <lupine_85> kmail is OK
[08:08] <karmikaze> i miss pine :'(
[08:08] <karmikaze> heh
[08:08] <karmikaze> i love k everything for its configurability
[08:08] <karmikaze> but i cant trust it now
[08:08] <hazard_> pine?
[08:08] <karmikaze> ncurses <3
[08:08] <karmikaze> terminal based mail client
[08:08] <hazard_> ah
[08:08] <lupine_85> mutt > pine :p
[08:08] <karmikaze> yah
[08:08] <karmikaze> hehe
[08:09] <lupine_85> karmikaze: I use Kmail with IMAP
[08:09] <lupine_85> works fine
[08:09] <karmikaze> i should try mutt again actually
[08:09] <karmikaze> cool lupine
[08:09] <karmikaze> it was 3-4 years ago i last tried kmail
[08:09] <karmikaze> i bet big advancements have been made since
[08:09] <xenol> why i dont see Kmail in internet folder? :O
[08:09] <karmikaze> heh xenol
[08:09] <karmikaze> search for it on apt or adept or whatever
[08:10] <xenol> it is installed :P
[08:10] <Darkkish> wtf
[08:10] <Darkkish> why does my thunderbird mail from adept have an ugly gnome icon?
[08:10] <Ksi> does anyone know why flash isn't working on my live cd 6.10? i can install other things (like vlc), but after i installed flash, when i used Fx, it would just close when a flash page is loaded.
[08:10] <karmikaze> lol Darkkish get a new theme for it then
[08:10] <Darkkish> no karmikaze the button
[08:11] <Darkkish> in the menu
[08:11] <karmikaze> oh haha
[08:11] <Darkkish> looks like a brown envelope
[08:11] <karmikaze> well you can configure that too
[08:11] <Darkkish> still
[08:11] <Darkkish> ewww
[08:11] <karmikaze> <3 k configurability
[08:11] <hazard_> I like how my common mode of 'configure stuff' is 'mame beyond recognition'
[08:11] <xenol> well if i install every kind of sh*t on linux will it become sluggish as windows with 48764687976749 apps installed?
[08:11] <xenol> i guess no
[08:12] <karmikaze> heh only if you run them all at the same time xenol
[08:12] <soulrider> lol, i had this unlabeled DVD here, and linux wouldnt read it. I thought, what a piece of crap DVD. I went to my dads computer that runs windows to see what it was.... and it was Vista :P
[08:12] <soulrider> i didnt get the "whata  piece of crap" part wrong :P
[08:12] <karmikaze> you can always easily uninstall stuff once you know you dont want it
[08:12] <hazard_> depends on if they start deamons, that or if they dump BOATLOADS of files inthe same few folders
[08:13] <xenol> hmm i uninstall apps but conf files stay on disk or no?
[08:13] <hazard_> (and by boatloads, I mean you MIGHT have problems if there's more than 2k files in a single folder that's frequently accessed)
[08:13] <hazard_> (probably more like 8k though)
[08:14] <xenol> lol
[08:14] <xenol> if i want to reach 8k files in one folder i have to be isntalling and unninstlling staff 24/7
[08:14] <xenol> :D
[08:14] <hazard_> no..
[08:14] <hazard_> because then you'd installing then deleting the same files
[08:14] <xenol> k one question
[08:15] <karmikaze> xenol: one of the best software sites http://freshmeat.net/ can search for anything on there
[08:15] <karmikaze> or sourceforge.net
[08:15] <xenol> if i install thunderbird and for example it installs some other libraries as libxxx (example only) will stay installed or will be  uninstalled too?
[08:16] <fdoving> xenol: you can have them uninstalled if you want to. it's not automatic yet.
[08:16] <karmikaze> depends if other software uses those libs too
[08:17] <hazard_> I think it would depend on what you had install it, adept seems to do ok at keeping that stuff straight
[08:17] <karmikaze> libs are usually of negligable size anyway
[08:17] <hazard_> not on 4G drives.
[08:17] <karmikaze> lol
[08:17] <karmikaze> :$
[08:17] <lupine_85> xenol: with apt-get, they will be left. With aptitude, they'll be removed
[08:17] <karmikaze> o rly
[08:17] <lupine_85> deborphan is also your friend
[08:17] <lupine_85> ya rly
[08:17] <xenol> well i want to know this if i install thunderbird and some other files r installed with it
[08:18] <xenol> and when i uninstall thunderbird those files will be unninstalled automatically?
[08:18] <lupine_85> xenol: if you use aptitude, yes
[08:18] <karmikaze> itll tell you how many packages have to be installed to get the program in adept
[08:18] <hazard_> what? my armies of obsolete 4G drives work great for boot drives (and ~6 together make up a noticiable amount of space!)
[08:18] <xenol> so aptitude is for ermoving packages ?
[08:18] <karmikaze> or installing them
[08:18] <xenol> and apt-get?
[08:18] <lupine_85> no, you have to install it with aptitude and remove it with aptitude
[08:18] <lupine_85> aptitude is a smart version of apt-get
[08:18] <hazard_> aptitude, that's what I meant by adept
[08:19] <xenol> ach
[08:19] <karmikaze> lol
[08:19] <lupine_85> aptitude != adept
[08:19] <lupine_85> aptitude is a smarter, drop-in replacement for apt-get
[08:19] <xenol> well graphic based and apt-egt is in konsole right?
[08:19] <lupine_85> aptitude is also terminal-based
[08:19] <hazard_> there's dselect to, but I've had it on multiple occastions decide everything on the system was UNWORTHY of being installed.
[08:19] <hazard_> Then again, aptitude has done that to me too.
[08:19] <lupine_85> where you would do apt-get install, do aptitude install; apt-get remove becomes aptitude remove
[08:20] <Darkkish> editing the panel next to K is very annoying
[08:20] <hazard_> (then there was the time that in order to satsify dependcies, aptitude decided to remove my kernel)
[08:20] <lupine_85> hazard_: yep, that's it :)
[08:20] <lupine_85> it's extremely smart - that's the problem...
[08:20] <xenol> so using aptitude is risky? :D
[08:20] <Darkkish> OMG
[08:20] <Darkkish> i just figured out how to do it
[08:21] <Darkkish> its really easy, right click > move
[08:21] <karmikaze> yeah lol
[08:21] <karmikaze> so lupine_85 if you want the benefits of aptitude you have to use it all the time then?
[08:21] <karmikaze> to install and remove
[08:21] <lupine_85> no
[08:21] <zigovr> hi all, how can I remove the "hibernate" and "sleep" buttons from kde "shutdown" menu ?
[08:21] <karmikaze> ok
[08:21] <lupine_85> just on the packages you want the benefits with
[08:21] <karmikaze> ok cool
[08:21] <lupine_85> if you apt-get install a package, aptitude remove == apt-get remove
[08:22] <karmikaze> zigovr: right click the kmenu button and configure the menus
[08:22] <karmikaze> oh wait no
[08:22] <genii> Yay electricity is on at home again :)
[08:22] <LBB_> genii ! working overours?
[08:22] <zigovr> karmikaze: yeah sorry it's not a menu buy a dialog box in fact, I explained wrong :)
[08:22] <genii> LBB Nah I just got home, thought I'd check in before I crash
[08:23] <hazard_> you're planning on crashing...on purpose? :P
[08:23] <karmikaze> zigovr: in kcontrol somewhere you can disable the shutdown ability of users
[08:23] <karmikaze> like make shutdown need root password or something?
[08:23] <genii> Yeah I'm a crash-test dummy ;)
[08:23] <hazard_> karmikaze given up on wireless yet?
[08:23] <LBB_> genii so i'd guess i'd better not keep you away from your bed with my grub-stuff
[08:24] <hazard_> what grub stuff?
[08:24] <karmikaze> hazard_: it works :D on unencrypted anyway
[08:24] <zigovr> karmikaze: I'll check it, but I want to keep the possibility to shutdown, just since "sleep" and "hibernate" do not work on that computer I want to remove them
[08:24] <karmikaze> im getting complacent, and stealing wifi tho
[08:24] <genii> LBB Nah I love a good saga :)
[08:24] <karmikaze> should sort out my network so it works
[08:24] <karmikaze> oh i see
[08:24] <karmikaze> im not sure zigovr
[08:24] <Darkkish> its cool to have a lappy :)
[08:24] <Darkkish> even if its an old crappy one
[08:24] <karmikaze> hazard_: what symbols is kubuntu ok with in wifi keys??
[08:24] <zigovr> I removed them in /etc/acpi, but kde doesn't seem to look in there
[08:24] <hazard_> I know I've managed to Fix GRUB *ONCE* and have mangled it at least a dozen times.
[08:24] <genii> hazard Basically a grub rebuild after doing grub-install to the wrong partition etc
[08:25] <hazard_> karmikaze: I'd say letters. and basic numbers.
[08:25] <karmikaze> :P
[08:25] <karmikaze> ok hazard_
[08:26] <genii> LBB So made any progress with it? New developments/further booting etc ?
[08:26] <hazard_> Try that, if that dosen't work then there's probably something wrong with the wpa encryptian handling in 6.10 (or it hates a combination of YOU, the wireless card, your router, that specific character sequence and some bald guy in Montana)
[08:26] <karmikaze> hazard_: do you know how i can find out which driver my wifi card is actually using
[08:26] <hazard_> lsmod?
[08:26] <karmikaze> lol hazard_
[08:27] <genii> Hmm as opposed to complex numbers LOL
[08:27] <hazard_> I don't know, and I can't investigate for you.
[08:27] <karmikaze> i'll find it :)
[08:27] <hazard_> no [booting]  kubuntu machine available.
[08:27] <Darkkish> hi genii
[08:28] <LBB2> genii great! now i booted to a grub prompt and typed basicaly one of the items of my menu.lst (root kernel initrd savedefault boot). The system started booting, but then said (after mentioning the lvm's "ALERT! does not exist. Dropping to a shell!"
[08:28] <genii> LBB2 That LBB?
[08:28] <LBB2> yup, LBB was taken
[08:28] <hazard_> what's LBB>?
[08:28] <genii> Darkkish Heyas :)
[08:28] <LBB2> hazard thats me
[08:28] <genii> hazard_ Some guy with a convoluted grub issue! ROFL
[08:29] <hazard_> Oh, Hi.
[08:29] <LBB2> hi
[08:29] <karmikaze> ipw it seems, lsmod was the right place to look
[08:29] <hazard_> cool, what's ipw?
[08:29] <genii> LBB So it gave some LVM message? Interesting
[08:29] <hazard_> (i'm tired, and hungry, and my brain no worky from physics final)
[08:30] <genii> LBB do you have the original pastebin for your first sfdisk output?
[08:30] <karmikaze> hehehe
[08:30] <karmikaze> ipw is the driver for my wifi card
[08:30] <genii> LBB2 So it gave some LVM message? Interesting
[08:30] <genii> LBB2 do you have the original pastebin for your first sfdisk output?
[08:30] <karmikaze> kwlan seems to be a good program
[08:30] <karmikaze> has built in wpa_supplicant
[08:30] <hazard_> genii is there any way to fix a grub installation which pointed to linux install on a drive that has ceased to exsist?
[08:31] <LBB2> genii i wrote the message down, and can paste it
[08:31] <genii> Sorry for dbl posts guys :) Wrong nick etc etc and no caffeine
[08:31] <hazard_> I know the feeling.
[08:31] <genii> haxard_ Yes, yes there is LOL
[08:31] <LBB2> genii what do you mean ""
[08:31] <LBB2> genii what do you mean "original pastebin"
[08:32] <Darkkish> if i installed xfce on this machine
[08:32] <genii> LBB2 Remeber at the very beginning we had a dump from sfdisk which you patebinned. It had the partition type of Amoeba for hda2 That url
[08:32] <karmikaze> mmmmyesh
[08:32] <Darkkish> can i just boot to it from the lon\gin page?
[08:32] <Darkkish> can i just boot to it from the login page?
[08:32] <karmikaze> yes Darkkish
[08:32] <rohan> how do i tell kubuntu to use synaptics driver and not the generic mouse driver that xorg is current using ?
[08:32] <karmikaze> speaking of the login manager, how can i change that ugly blue background
[08:32] <Darkkish> lol
[08:32] <Darkkish> its not ugly :O
[08:32] <LBB2> genii i'm on a live cd remember, and did't write it down...
[08:33] <karmikaze> i tried in kcontrol but it doesnt change until after i login which is pointless
[08:33] <hazard_> karmikaze: I know this one! Or at least I remember changing it once. Then promptly killing the loginmanager somehow (I don't *THINK* the two events were related)
[08:33] <genii> LBB@ Hmm. OK. Pls do a sudo fdisk /dev/hda  then p     thentell me which partition has LVM for the type please :)
[08:34] <LBB2> genii if there's a search function in pastebin i could find it with my new fsdisk dump
[08:34] <Darkkish> is xfce in universe/
[08:34] <genii> bleh
[08:34] <genii> LBB2 Hmm. OK. Pls do a sudo fdisk /dev/hda  then p     thentell me which partition has LVM for the type please :)
[08:34] <LBB2> genii ok
[08:34] <hazard_> so yea, karmikaze I really don't actually know.l
[08:35] <xenol> well i just isntalled firefox
[08:35] <xenol> and i dont like it
[08:35] <xenol> crappy icon :p
[08:35] <zlodey> -
[08:35] <karmikaze> lol
[08:35] <Darkkish> zlodey lifting weights?
[08:35] <genii> xenol But it's so cute when it does the boingy boingy bounce :)
[08:36] <karmikaze> firefox can be beautified, but at this point its not worth it as the thing crashes all the time in kubuntu
[08:36] <zlodey> karmikaze ?
[08:36] <xenol> aha
[08:36] <Darkkish> i love the ff icon
[08:36] <Darkkish> i think you're insane
[08:36] <karmikaze> im sticking with konqueror til the bugs are smoothed out
[08:36] <LBB2> genii hda5
[08:37] <hazard_> WHY IS THE UNIVERSE KEEPING ME TRAPPED IN THIS DORM?
[08:37] <genii> LBB2 OK lemme think for a minute
[08:37] <zlodey> help me
[08:37] <Imrahil> xenol chooses software based on the nicest icon. I wonder if he actually uses it or just looks at the icon all day
[08:37] <hazard_> lol
[08:37] <__mikem> hazard_ BECAUSE THE UNIVERSE HATES YOU
[08:37] <hazard_> hahahahahhahhaha
[08:37] <xenol> :D
[08:37] <karmikaze> ???
[08:37] <karmikaze> ???what with
[08:38] <hazard_> well, I already kniew that.
[08:38] <zlodey> hazard_ you lol
[08:38] <karmikaze> lol
[08:38] <hazard_> But why _NOW_ all the tests are over, and I have no more drugs.
[08:38] <hazard_> (perscription)
[08:38] <karmikaze> xenol, kde-look.org
[08:38] <karmikaze> :P
[08:38] <karmikaze> get some new icon sets or something
[08:38] <hazard_> if I can't get out of here, tomarrow (and the day after) are probably not going to go well.
[08:39] <Darkkish> !xfce
[08:39] <Imrahil> hazard_: going to celebrate christmas?
[08:39] <ubotu> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[08:39] <xenol> well u said it FF is buggy and it crashes a lot
[08:39] <genii> LBB2 And pls pastebin the original menu.lst so I can reexamine :)
[08:39] <xenol> !fluxbuntu
[08:39] <ubotu> fluxbuntu is a LPAE-standard compliant, Ubuntu-based derivative that maintains the goal of running on a wide range of mobile devices and computers (low-end & high-end). It is lightweight, swift and efficient. | Support Channel: #fluxbuntu on freenode | Homepage: http://fluxbuntu.org/
[08:39] <hazard_> and since all my stuff is packed up, I'm BORED TO TEARS
[08:39] <LBB2> genii OK
[08:39] <karmikaze> oooh fluxubuntu
[08:39] <karmikaze> lol awesome
[08:40] <zlodey> hazard_ you lol
[08:40] <hazard_> Imrahil: yes. (in theory)
[08:41] <Imrahil> dorms during holidays make baby jesus cry
[08:41] <hazard_> Assuming I ever find a concious RA, and I get word on weather or not I have a ride.
[08:41] <genii> anyone remember what default lvm /dev entry is?
[08:42] <hazard_> Imrahil: From experience?
[08:42] <hazard_> I should also note that have $.50, and no food.
[08:42] <LBB2> genii http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38270/
[08:43] <genii> LBB2 Thx brb
[08:43] <LBB2> !brb
[08:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about brb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <hazard_> \nick hazard
[08:43] <Darkkish> lol
[08:43] <Darkkish> wrong /
[08:44] <Darkkish> lol
[08:44] <Darkkish> today just might not be your day
[08:44] <hazard_cant_type> there we go.
[08:44] <hazard_cant_type> (there were 5 additional attempts before I got 'nick' spelled right
[08:45] <genii> LBB2 If you have hda2 mounted on /mnt/tmpboot again: please  ls -l /mnt/tmpboot/dev/mapper/system-root/*  and pastebin
[08:45] <genii> brb = Be Right Back
[08:46] <hazard2> there, finally one remotely close to what I want that isn't already taken.
[08:47] <hazardx> that's actually better.
[08:47] <genii> yes better than 2 at the end :)
[08:47] <hazardx> my thougts exactly.
[08:47] <RealisticDragon> lots of users on this network :)
[08:47] <RealisticDragon> is it bigger than DALnet yet?
[08:48] <hazardx> Woa! a Realistic Dragon!
[08:48] <Imrahil> hazardx: actually I spent almost no time in my dorm room on account of my roomate leaving all manners of food around until it got stanky in there and was embarrasing to have people around
[08:48] <darkkish_> hey i'm going to talk on my laptop
[08:48] <darkkish_> because i'm installing valve hammer editor on my desktop
[08:49] <chupa-chups> #python
[08:49] <genii> me thinks about festvus ..err festival
[08:49] <RealisticDragon> woo, freenode.net is now in the top 10 of networks (number 9)
[08:49] <LBB2> genii i dont there is no dev dir on my mounted hda2
[08:49] <RealisticDragon> graph of IRC networks is here: http://irc.netsplit.de/networks/top10graphs.php
[08:49] <vado> Bonsoir tout le monde
[08:49] <hazardx> Imrahil: Yea, my old roomate was like that (and he smoked,boozed and got high _ALOT_), and it was annoying finding M&Ms ALL OVER THE ROOM.
[08:49] <Admiral_Chicago>  hmm, i just installed edgy and I can't get HTTP stuff to work
[08:50] <darkkish_> lol it works for me
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> I am on IRC, but if I follow anykind of link, it does not repond
[08:50] <RealisticDragon> have you got a HTTP proxy Admiral_Chicago?
[08:50] <darkkish_> i'm pretty sure this is edgy...
[08:50] <RealisticDragon> your network might need it, especially if its a college one
[08:50] <hazardx> my Kubuntu box here is RamLess, so yea, my HTTP dosen't work either.
[08:50] <genii> LBB2 OK, thx. The root device in your menu.lst is described as /dev/mapper/system-root    but it looks like udev is doing it on the fly. This is where the drives/partitions that make up an lvm drive would be listed.
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> RealisticDragon: not that I know of
[08:51] <darkkish_> RamLess?
[08:51] <hazardx> no ram.
[08:51] <darkkish_> ... you can do that?
[08:51] <darkkish_> that sounds realllllyyyyy craawwwlllliinnggg sloowww'
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> RealisticDragon: I'm on the pppoe system at my house and it doesn't connect
[08:51] <RealisticDragon> i doubt ameritech has a proxy indeed
[08:51] <hazardx> No, you can't, that's my point.
[08:51] <genii> LBB2 You *MAY* want to try the way we changed the partition type of hda2 before and put it to lvm type from linux type.
[08:51] <hazardx> no ram == no worky
[08:51] <RealisticDragon> can you use https?
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> there was a line i "plog" about some ARP roxy failing
[08:52] <darkkish_> lol oh
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> RealisticDragon: let me try
[08:52] <g-henna> hi everyone!
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> no
[08:52] <karmikaze> hi!
[08:52] <g-henna> i have a very odd error with kaffeine on edgy
[08:52] <hazardx> hi karmikaze!
[08:52] <darkkish_> how do i change my default browser to FF?
[08:53] <g-henna> when starting kaffeine, the window pops up, but doesn't fill with content, i.e. the user interface doesn't load. very odd: when i insert a dvd, i can play it with kmplayer, but not with kaffeine. actually... well, i can hear the sound, but the ui is frozen
[08:53] <genii> LBB2 eg:   sudo fdisk /dev/hda   ..'t"  "2" lvm type change code here .... "w"     then try reboot again
[08:53] <RealisticDragon> probably in system settings darkkish_
[08:54] <misael> how do i run a .bin file?
[08:54] <hazardx> I KNOW! I'll play with SSH and see if I can get enough webtraffic going to make the VOIP phone at home stop working!
[08:54] <icheyne> I'm having a nightmare with my nvidia card. I tried to install the nvidia beta drivers so I could get beryl working, but they caused a lot of flickering. I rolled everything back - even changing my xorg.conf back to the nv drivers, but I am still getting the flickering. Any solutions?
[08:54] <misael> how do i get it to execute
[08:54] <karmikaze> darkkish_: kcontrol > system administration > windows applications > applications
[08:54] <genii> LBB2 8e is linux lvm code
[08:54] <darkkish_> thanks
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> RealisticDragon: any ideas?
[08:54] <misael> what do i have to write in the konsole?
[08:54] <LBB2> genii I'm not sure i understand you correct. my hda2 is formatted as ext2, do you want me to reformat it?
[08:54] <misael> to run a bin file
[08:55] <darkkish_> karmikaze: are you running edgy?
[08:55] <misael> to  make ut executable
[08:55] <karmikaze> yeah darkkish_
[08:55] <genii> LBB2 No, do *NOT* reformat. I'll walk you thru it again
[08:55] <hazardx> icheyne: it sounds like your system just changed the refresh rate to something liess than 75hz (unless you don't have a CRT, in which case your flat panel is about to explode)
[08:55] <karmikaze> you not have that option?
[08:55] <darkkish_> no its K~
[08:55] <darkkish_> er
[08:55] <g-henna> when using xine directly from xine-ui, this works fine, so there must be some problem with kaffeine and a kplayerpart or so
[08:55] <misael> HOW DO  I RUN A .BIN FILE?
[08:55] <genii> LBB2 step1: umount /mnt/tmpboot
[08:55] <darkkish_> karmikaze:  K > System Settings > Default Applications
[08:55] <hazardx> misael: weren't you asking about this...yesterday?
[08:55] <g-henna> misael: OPEN THE CONSOLE AND TYPE ./MYFILE:BIN
[08:56] <icheyne> thanks hazardx but the change back to the nv drivers fixed my refresh rate and I'm back to 85htz.
[08:56] <genii> LBB2 Step 2: sudo fdisk /dev/hda
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> !caps
[08:56] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[08:56] <karmikaze> misael: make sure you have permission to execute, chmod +x filename
[08:56] <karmikaze> then try
[08:56] <LBB2> genii my response was to two messages back . I do understand "sudo fdisk /dev/hda   ..'t"  "2" lvm type change code here .... "w"     then try reboot again"
[08:56] <misael> ok
[08:56] <misael> thanks
[08:56] <karmikaze> sure darkkish_ :P
[08:56] <g-henna> ubotu: SIR, YESSIR! :-)
[08:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about SIR, YESSIR! :-) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:56] <karmikaze> kcontrol somewhere ;)
[08:56] <genii> LBB2 Sorry, tired :)
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> that is a bot.
[08:56] <g-henna> *lol*
[08:56] <karmikaze> brb cookin
[08:56] <LBB2> genii i'm a bit slow typing
[08:56] <hazardx> lol @ g-henna
[08:57] <hazardx> errr....so....hungry.... (karmikaze)
[08:57] <LBB2> genii what i meant was: I'm sure my hda2 should be ext2, thats how i formatted it when installing my last working system+grub
[08:58] <misael> it tells me that srcds_run.bin donot exist
[08:58] <misael> :s
[08:58] <genii> LBB2 Using fdisk to change the partition type does not change what filesystem is on it
[08:58] <Darkkish> hey genii
[08:58] <genii> LBB2 Or how it was formatted etc
[08:58] <genii> Darkkish Hey :)
[08:58] <Darkkish> do i won't my desired default display manager to be gdm or kdm for xubuntu?
[08:58] <LBB2> genii but it does change the way it is being read, right?
[08:59] <genii> LBB2 No. If that were the case you would not have been able to mount it previoulsly using mount -t ext2    when partition type was at Amoeba
[08:59] <Darkkish> do i won't my desired default display manager to be gdm or kdm for xubuntu? genii
[09:00] <LBB2> genii i am able to mount it that way
[09:00] <genii> Darkkish kdm :)
[09:00] <hazardx> I hope everyone in my physics class failed the final.
[09:00] <Darkkish> mk
[09:00] <hazardx> (becuase then I get a good grade)
[09:00] <RealisticDragon> Darkkish i think that gdm looks better :) and xubuntu already has gtk installed
[09:00] <RealisticDragon> i believe
[09:00] <darkkish_> to late.
[09:00] <RealisticDragon> but it doesnt make a lot of difference really
[09:01] <genii> LBB2 that is my point. If we change the partition type to lvm   you will still be able to mount it as before etc etc.
[09:02] <genii> LBB2 Just that the lvm device driver will now see it as something to use in building a larger device as well (hopefully)
[09:02] <LBB2> genii i can mount it now as an ext2, so when i change it to lvm i wont be able to mount it right? confused:)
[09:03] <LBB2> genii not saying i know better though, just avoiding miscommunication:)
[09:03] <hazardx> FINALLY, I HAVE WORD SOMEONE REMEMBERED I EXSIST!
[09:03] <hazardx> (sorry about the yelling)
[09:04] <genii> LBB2 No matter what partition type is changed into, the actual partition itself will always be formatted with ext2 file system. so you will always be able to mount the thing by telling the mount command to understand the fs on it by  -t ext2 when you mount it
[09:04] <darkkish_> i hope installaing xubuntu won't screw up the look of my kde like gnome did
[09:04] <darkkish_> installing ugly programs to the menus
[09:05] <genii> freebsd has a similar raid thing called vinum which is a pain as much as this lvm stuff :)
[09:05] <hazardx> do you decide what to install based onthe same criteria as Xenos?
[09:05] <LBB2> genii ok i still dont understand why i should set it to lvm, but i will do so anyway
[09:05] <LBB2> geni brb
[09:05] <hazardx> (that being how pretty the icon is)
[09:05] <genii> LBB2 OK :)
[09:08] <darkkish_> lmfao hazardx
[09:09] <g-henna> hm, ok, installed xine, that works...
[09:09] <g-henna> bye then
[09:09] <CSonicGo> anyone know why wine can't play Fury3 anymore? :(
[09:09] <genii> LBB2 Ratinale for changing to lvm type: Some device drivers which use partitions like aid driver and lvm driver look at the oartition type to see if they should use this disk as part of their routine or not.
[09:09] <genii> raid driver not aid driver ...tired
[09:10] <LBB2> genii "Changed system type of partition 2 to 8e (Linux LVM)"
[09:10] <genii> LBB2 OK good :) Now need reboot to see if grub progresses etc
[09:11] <Triple> Hey all, i have a question about hard drive speed. When i copy a large file from 1 HD to another the transfer rate is about 1.3 MB/sec for ATA 100 drives..... Is this a normal speed???
[09:11] <LBB2> genii you sure i'm not suppused to set hda5 instead of hda2? still confused...
[09:11] <_kuja_> Triple: that sounds excrutiatingly slow
[09:11] <Triple> Then it is not just me :)
[09:12] <Triple> Any idea where i can look to make it better>
[09:12] <Triple> ?
[09:12] <_kuja_> possibly hdparm
[09:12] <genii> LBB2 Suppose you have /dev/lvm-thing  device.   if hda2 and hda5 are  lvm partition, you get  /dev/lvm-device/hda2   /dev/lvm-device/hda5    which is 2 small devices put together to make 1 large device
[09:12] <_kuja_> run hdparm -i /dev/<thedrivesdevicenode>
[09:12] <idawood> Hello every one
[09:13] <_kuja_> Triple: that will tell you if dma is enabled, maybe it isn't
[09:13] <_kuja_> hello idawood
[09:13] <Triple> Ok, lets see what it brings
[09:13] <idawood> _kuja: can you tell me how I can change my default file manager
[09:13] <hazardx> yay! ride is here (in ~2minutes)
[09:13] <hazardx> later all
[09:13] <idawood> I want to use dolphin as default but also want to keep konqueror
[09:14] <_kuja_> erm, can't recall how it's done, I can look it up though I suppose
[09:14] <hazardx> poor dolphins
[09:14] <LBB2> genii I'm off to reboot, maybe you can point me to a site with some more explanation when i'm back
[09:14] <genii> LBB2 OK see you when you return
[09:15] <hazardx> Bye bye!
[09:15] <idawood> anybody esle can help?
[09:15] <Fragrag> How do I run a .py file? I have Python installed
[09:16] <Fragrag> Wait idawood, I recall reading something about making something default, let me look it up
[09:16] <_kuja_> fragwood: python filename.py
[09:16] <Lastkey0> ok sure take the whole time in the world :P
[09:16] <darkkish_> restarting x
[09:17] <darkkish_> ...
[09:17] <darkkish_> ctrl alt bckspce isn't working lol
[09:17] <_kuja_> or wait, fargrag
[09:17] <darkkish_> oh its not alt
[09:17] <_kuja_> darn
[09:17] <_kuja_> where did that come from?
[09:17] <Triple> DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
[09:17] <Triple>  * signifies the current active mode
[09:17] <Triple> This meand DMA is not active right?
[09:17] <max_> can someone link me to the site that has the official ubuntu/kubuntu artwork?
[09:18] <Lastkey0> try www.kde-look.org
[09:18] <Lastkey0> and art.gnome.org
[09:18] <_kuja_> Triple: that is likely, run hdparm -d /dev/hd? to see the dma status of your drives, use -d1 to turn it on, use -d0 to turn it off
[09:19] <Triple> ok....
[09:19] <_kuja_> idawood: this looks like it might do it - http://www.linuxactionshow.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=181
[09:19] <Triple> i'll be back with results :)
[09:20] <_kuja_> Triple: before doing so, run hdparm -tT /dev/hd? to benchmark performance, then do it after if you want measurable results
[09:20] <Lastkey0> kuja:let me check
[09:20] <Triple> ok
[09:22] <rohan> the volume control keys in my laptop dont control amarok volume
[09:22] <rohan> known problem ?
[09:23] <Triple> martijn@nemesis:~$ sudo hdparm -tT /dev/hda
[09:23] <_kuja_> rohan, do they control system volume, by chance?
[09:23] <Triple> /dev/hda:
[09:23] <Triple>  Timing cached reads:   736 MB in  2.06 seconds = 357.95 MB/sec
[09:23] <Triple>  Timing buffered disk reads:    8 MB in  3.08 seconds =   2.59 MB/sec
[09:23] <Triple> /dev/hda:
[09:23] <Triple>  Timing cached reads:   1336 MB in  2.00 seconds = 667.96 MB/sec
[09:23] <Triple>  Timing buffered disk reads:   70 MB in  3.00 seconds =  23.30 MB/sec
[09:23] <Triple> martijn@nemesis:~$
[09:23] <matthew_> genii, hey, can't believel you're still here...I just woke up....lol
[09:23] <kkathman> rohan:  amarok has its own
[09:23] <Triple> WHOA!!
[09:23] <Triple> better!!
[09:23] <rohan> kkathman: ouch, it does not 'obey' kmix ?
[09:24] <genii> matthew I'm helping LBB with grub still :)
[09:24] <_kuja_> Triple: better, but still slow :P
[09:24] <kkathman> on my keyb  its like the "windows" key + the minus (volume down), the plus (volume up), M (mute) etc
[09:24] <_kuja_> Triple: that change is NOT permanent, you still have a little work to be doing
[09:24] <kkathman> rohan:  no it doesnt
[09:24] <genii> matthew_ But I may soon have to sleep
[09:24] <kkathman> but you can configure your own using the system settings
[09:25] <Triple> Do i have to put the commands in a startupscript somewhere?
[09:25] <malik__> can some one suggest if koffice is better than open office?
[09:25] <_kuja_> Triple: you have to put something /etc/hdparm.conf
[09:25] <Darkkish> xubuntu is pretty nice on my laptop
[09:25] <kkathman> rohan:  kcontrol->Regional&Accessibilty->Keyboard shortcuts
[09:26] <kkathman> malik__:  its different
[09:26] <malik__> and what if i remove open office from edgy kubuntu n install koffice...........would it wreck the system or relatively should be okie>?
[09:26] <kkathman> thats all I can say.  Koffice is a bit less mature than open office
[09:26] <matthew_> genii, you are one tenacious son of a gun!
[09:26] <Triple> ok, have it open
[09:27] <genii> matthew_ :) I love a good puzzle
[09:27] <kkathman> you can remove open office just fine...but try both before you make that decision
[09:27] <_kuja_> something like:
[09:27] <_kuja_> /dev/hda {
[09:27] <_kuja_>         dma = on
[09:27] <_kuja_> }
[09:27] <_kuja_> spacing must be pretty exact, use tabs for the big gap on the dma = on line, there must be a space before the brace. Keep it exact or expect misbehavior
[09:27] <xenol> karmikaze how can i compress? in konsole with compress?
[09:27] <rohan> thanks, kkathman
[09:28] <kkathman> np
[09:28] <malik__> kkathman: that means i wud stick with open office ..............but would you any tweak about turning off the updates for open office?
[09:28] <Darkkish> lol open office has big ass buttons
[09:29] <kkathman> malik__:  well none other that I get from adept I reckon
[09:29] <matthew_> genii, lol, that's why _I'm_ using KDE
[09:29] <kkathman> Koffice has a nice graphical editor called Krita that might be worth taking a look at, tho...but as for the rest of the suite, I like OO personall
[09:29] <LBB> genii It worked! thanks, now i only need to make sure i boot to the menu.lst instead of the grub> prompt and then i can go fix my original problem, wich is a broken mysql package (you said you loved a saga :) ).
[09:30] <malik__> kkathman: that means i ll have to download that 70 odd mb worth of updates they released today:)
[09:30] <kkathman> yah I did that last night
[09:30] <genii> LBB Cool cool :)
[09:30] <kkathman> adept will let you know as long as you have those repos
[09:30] <malik__> doesnt that sux.........i mean i just updated it abt two wks ago with same amount of data
[09:30] <Lastkey0> NO luck :(
[09:31] <genii> LBB So you are not on livecd nut original system now?
[09:32] <genii> but not nut LOL
[09:33] <LBB> genii no, after manually typing part of my menu.lst into grub> the system halted on the line where it needs mysql (i broke that when i deinstalled apache because i needed space on my home)
[09:33] <LBB> genii i mean space on my /boot
[09:33] <genii> LBB Ah, OK ... i would try to help but I need sleep now :)
[09:33] <malik__> okie one more question......................frostwire is better or amule/edonkey?
[09:34] <matthew_> malik__, I prefer azureus
[09:34] <malik__> i have ktorrent
[09:34] <LBB> genii: well thanks very much for your help so far and sleep well!
[09:34] <malik__> isnt azureus a torrent client?
[09:34] <Darkkish> l
[09:34] <genii> I still like original bittorrent    azureus is nice but because totally in java can be a hog
[09:34] <matthew_> malik__, yes
[09:34] <Darkkish> azureus is the best
[09:35] <fdoving> genii: did you try rtorrent?
[09:35] <Darkkish> i love it
[09:35] <Darkkish> second best is utorent
[09:35] <genii> fdoving No, not yet
[09:35] <Darkkish> which i think may have just developed a linux port
[09:35] <malik__> so basically we need bunch of torrent sites then to make it work , be it ktorrent or azureus?
[09:35] <karmikaze> who blang?
[09:35] <fdoving> genii: it's a nice console based thing. i use it to seed the ubuntu cd and dvd images :)
[09:35] <karmikaze> compress
[09:35] <matthew_> malik__, naw, I like torrentspy.com or thepiratebay.corg
[09:35] <matthew_> .org
[09:36] <karmikaze> xenol is gone
[09:36] <Lastkey0> Can anybody help me how to change my default file manager in Kubuntu
[09:36] <karmikaze> hrm
[09:36] <genii> fdoving cool, I'll check it out sometime
[09:36] <malik__> matthew: both of those are in ktorrent version in my distro
[09:36] <genii> LBB Unless you need me for something immediate I need to sleep :)
[09:36] <Triple> Ok! i copy at 8MB/sec now :) better ;) are there more tweaks for the HD?
[09:37] <malik__> n i found ktorrent operation faster than any other client, atleast as compared to windows..........in terms of loading n navigating
[09:38] <malik__> speed ofcourse is totally another issue
[09:38] <LBB> genii: Like I said: thanks very much for your help so far and sleep well! I'll figure it out somehow:)
[09:38] <genii> matthew_ , LBB et al  Have a good one and seeya later
[09:38] <fdoving> nite genii.
[09:38] <pulla_prince> join #acro
[09:38] <CSonicGo> oh wonerful, deb-src http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main doesn't work, the site is down! :(
[09:38] <matthew_> you too genii...oh, too late
[09:39] <CSonicGo> now I'm stuck :(
[09:39] <Conor> hello
[09:39] <Conor> matthew_: are yu availible to help?
[09:39] <fdoving> !ask
[09:39] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:39] <karmikaze> how do you install flash to konqueror?
[09:40] <rohan> how does x.org know what to use ? "Configured Mouse" or "Touchpad" ?
[09:40] <rohan> how does x.org know what to use ? "Configured Mouse" or "Touchpad" ?
[09:40] <rohan> oops, sorry
[09:40] <malik__> flash-nonfree install that package
[09:40] <matthew_> Conor, nope, I'm leaving right now...my gf wants to go to the park.
[09:40] <karmikaze> cheerrs malik__
[09:40] <Conor> is there someone here who can help me?
[09:40] <fdoving> !ask | conor
[09:40] <ubotu> conor: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:41] <Conor> haha
[09:41] <uber_mort> I'm glad ubotu allows piping :P
[09:41] <karmikaze> and redirection ;D
[09:41] <uber_mort> really?
[09:42] <Conor> the reason why I ask is because Im about to install kubuntu on a rather troublesome computer, and if something goes wrong, id like to have help
[09:42] <karmikaze> yeah i always used stuff like !flash >> karmikaze
[09:42] <uber_mort> !ask >> uber_mort
[09:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask > - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:42] <uber_mort> nice :)
[09:42] <murchadh_bhaba> Conor, Troublesome?
[09:42] <uber_mort> conor: I'm sure someone will be able to help you
[09:43] <malik__> Conor: what kinda comp is that?//
[09:43] <Conor> well, its a good computer, fairly new, but the was some trouble related to we think the graphics card
[09:43] <CSonicGo> !wine
[09:43] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:43] <malik__> Conor: nvidia?
[09:44] <Conor> we had to pass the line "acpi=off noapic nolapic" to get it to run the liveCD
[09:44] <Conor> no, ati
[09:44] <uber_mort> conor: laptop or desktop?
[09:44] <Conor> actually, it might have been processor: a dual core
[09:44] <Conor> laptop
[09:45] <uber_mort> laptop displays are odd, I have to run in some funky modes to get the live CD booted too, but once installed things generally work fine
[09:45] <Tesla> hello, ppl. i got a question. does anyone got a problem with konqueror frequent fails with segmentation on visiting pages?
[09:45] <malik__> Hmmm..........okie well try ur hand on it, see what happens n by that time hopefully Admiral_chicago or Jucato or some of the more exp guyz will be here
[09:45] <wildchild> hello trehe... I bought a new cooler for my CPU, and graphic card, and now I wanna see temepratures of those on screen ->is any program t oshow this?
[09:46] <Conor> okay, thanks uber_mort
[09:46] <uber_mort> wildchild there are system monitors though I can't remember the name...  I think its lmsensors or something like that
[09:46] <Tesla> wildchild, try gkrellm package
[09:46] <uber_mort> no conor, and if you have problems I should be around for a while at least
[09:47] <Tesla> so, does anyone have troubles with konqeror like me?
[09:47] <uber_mort> tesla I can't say that I do, but what do you mean "by on segmentation"
[09:47] <uber_mort> do you mean that it gives you a segmentation fault?  Thats a fun error to deal with ;D
[09:47] <malik__> Tesla: segmentation?
[09:47] <Lastkey0> Tesla: What kind of trouble
[09:48] <malik__> !segmentation
[09:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about segmentation - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:48] <moody_> #ubuntu-pl
[09:48] <Tesla> uber_mort, konqeror crashes displaying SIGSEGV on some pages
[09:48] <Tesla> i'm using fresh default install of Kubuntu 6.10
[09:49] <Tesla> i586 arch. not overclocked
[09:49] <Tesla> for example it crashes on www.kaniv.net
[09:50] <uber_mort> Telsa: Though I may be wrong, but I think thats a segmentation fault, and generally means that you tried to reference a bad memory location (maybe paged out or something).  How much ram is in that beast?
[09:50] <prophit_inc> can anyone here recommend a program that will take snapshots at random from my camera?
[09:50] <prophit_inc> for windows please....the guys in windows have no clue
[09:50] <uber_mort> prophit_inc: Picasa
[09:50] <prophit_inc> ok thank you
[09:50] <uber_mort> prophit_inc: do you mean automatically use it like a webcam or take them off?
[09:50] <Tesla> i got 320 MB of DIMM SDRAM PC100. memtest shown so problem and it worked perfect under MS Windows.
[09:50] <uber_mort> whoops, oh well
[09:51] <uber_mort> Do cyrillic fonts work fine in other places?
[09:51] <CSonicGo> rofl my dad is mad that his windows xp box has spyware all over it despite 4 anti-spyware programs
[09:51] <CSonicGo> :(
[09:51] <Tesla> uber_mort, cyrillic fonts?
[09:51] <CSonicGo> it's sad really.
[09:51] <malik__> Tesla: working okie in my konqi
[09:51] <uber_mort> Tesla: Russian, etc
[09:52] <uber_mort> Tesla: That site is in russian, no?
[09:52] <Tesla> i'm russian myself. yes. its all fine with russian here
[09:52] <Tesla> not really. its in ukrainian. but its alike.
[09:52] <uber_mort> Tesla: Hehe, I just saw the letters.  I took a bit of russian but don't remember much of it at all ;)
[09:53] <Tesla> uber_mort, my konqueror loads and displays page almost entirely. and than just disapears and KDE crash handler apears
[09:53] <uber_mort> Tesla: But anyway, if you haven't really installed anything or taken any time to customize and it wouldn't be a problem to reformat I might suggest you reinstall.
[09:54] <Tesla> btw. i tryed installing my Kubuntu 6.10 on VMWare. the same problem exactly. and all the hardware is emulated there. how can this happens?
[09:54] <Lastkey0> Tesla:Update your distro
[09:54] <CSonicGo> russian, isn't all cryllic languages the same? or, very very similar?
[09:54] <Lastkey0> hopefully the update will correct your problem
[09:55] <uber_mort> Tesla: Well, often times the error you're getting is caused when things are swapped out of memory and are then later referenced.  If you have too little RAM this could be a problem, or it could be something on that page that causes it.  Might I suggest trying a different browser to see if that works?
[09:55] <Tesla> uber_mort, as i said before i have a fresh install. and i did reinstalling many times already :-(
[09:55] <Tesla> CSonicGo, very similar. if you know russian it will be easy to learn any other cirylic one
[09:55] <uber_mort> Try apt-getting firefox and check if it works in there.  If so we can take it from there, though I don't know if I can help :(
[09:55] <Lastkey0> try adept manager or apt-get upgrade to update the system
[09:56] <CSonicGo> oh ok
[09:56] <CSonicGo> I'm just french-english so it'll take some effort to learn russian but I've been wanting to for years
[09:57] <uber_mort> I started, but my teacher was a bitch so I dropped it for gaelic :P
[09:57] <uber_mort> but now I can talk like the irishman I am
[09:57] <uber_mort> so its all good :D
[09:57] <Tesla> uber_mort, as i said i got 320 MB of perfectly working RAM and i have a 200 MB of swapping partition. FireFox does not work at all. it crashes with segmentation fault just on the startup
[09:57] <CSonicGo> I can fake scots
[09:57] <CSonicGo> heheh
[09:57] <icheyne> I installed a the 386 kernel, to use beryl, and now I do not need it any more. How do I remove it so that it does not show up on my grub boot list?
[09:57] <uber_mort> but can you actually speak gaelic?
[09:57] <CSonicGo> no :(
[09:58] <uber_mort> tesla: That could be it right there.  It might be the small swap space.  Is there any chance you could expand that to like 512 or even a gb?
[09:58] <CSonicGo> is it similar to latin? I've heard it is.
[09:58] <Lastkey0> Tesla: I said update your system. If you don't want to do that and just want to try another browser, you can try swiftfox
[09:58] <uber_mort> I don't think so
[09:58] <uber_mort> I can write some stuff if you'd like
[09:59] <CSonicGo> ya I'd liek to "See" this language heh
[09:59] <Lastkey0> swiftfox is based on firfox but opitimized for diffrent processor architectures
[09:59] <Tesla> sure i can do it. just need to reinstall. however top command shows that swap is not used at all. used 0 bytes. :-/
[09:59] <uber_mort> je parle un peu francais, mais gaeilge ne pas "similar"
[09:59] <Lastkey0> icheyne:you cantry apt-remove beryl
[09:59] <CSonicGo> aah
[09:59] <icheyne> thanks Lastkey0 but I already did that
[09:59] <uber_mort> Irish: Dia dhuit, is mise Brian, agus d'ol me uisce beatha :)
[10:00] <CSonicGo> awesome
[10:00] <uber_mort> Or in other words, Hi, my name is Brian and I drank whiskey :P
[10:00] <Tesla> and the bad thing is that is too expencive for me to fully upgrage from inet. i pay for amount of transfered data.
[10:01] <CSonicGo> haha
[10:01] <CSonicGo> awesome
[10:01] <CSonicGo> I wonder what english (anglisc lol) will look like in 500 years
[10:01] <CSonicGo> most say "about the same"
[10:01] <Tesla> uber_mort, i also had tyed Opera. downloaded a .deb file form their official site specially designed for Edgy
[10:02] <CSonicGo> since that printing press and all
[10:02] <faLUCE> Hi. is there an unofficial repo with mplayer1.x ?
[10:02] <Tesla> opera behaves the same way as konqeror
[10:02] <Nontitle> look at how much english has changed in 20 years
[10:02] <uber_mort> Tesla: That could be the whole memory issue, thats why I suggest the swap space
[10:02] <Nontitle> if konqueror worked with the gecko engine, then i would be happy
[10:02] <hazard_> English has changed? (I realize i'm speaking russian)
[10:02] <CSonicGo> Nontitle: good point
[10:02] <Lastkey0> Icheyne: you can edit grub file to not to show the beryl if you just don't want to see it in the list
[10:02] <uber_mort> Tesla: Opera and firefox have larger memory footprints than konqueror and could be why they crash almost right off the bat
[10:03] <karmikaze> i cant view the dominos menu in konqueror :'(
[10:03] <icheyne> oh yes? But it regenerates automatically?
[10:03] <CSonicGo> hazard_: supposedly, but you never ever NOTICE
[10:03] <hazard_> oh, right, forgot about that.
[10:03] <icheyne> Lastkey0, oh yes? But it regenerates automatically?
[10:03] <CSonicGo> but looking at stuff from the 1800s you can see
[10:03] <CSonicGo> you can see a big "Difference" it's really weird
[10:03] <Tesla> uber_mort, in fact opera starts good for me. and i'm able to run firefox with -ProfileManager swich so i got a window from it. but no more
[10:04] <hazard_> karmikaze: get that wireless working?
[10:04] <karmikaze> nah hazard_ it doesnt like my router or something
[10:04] <karmikaze> if i change to wep, or wpa or open
[10:04] <karmikaze> wont connect
[10:04] <uber_mort> Tesla: Hmmmm again that goes to support my theorey...  when pages are rendered they start eating memory, and without enough swap space you're gonna have problems
[10:04] <hazard_> Toldta, that Montana guy strikes again!
[10:05] <uber_mort> CSonicGo: Tu parle francais?
[10:05] <Tesla> uber_mort, i do not doubt that you want to help me, thank you. but swap area is absolutly not in use when i just booted and started konqeror. do you really think its all about small swap?
[10:05] <Lastkey0> I don't think so it will be regenerated again
[10:05] <Lastkey0> I just have the the idea, I can't tell you the method to edit it
[10:05] <Lastkey0> you can check on google or other linux forums for the help on grub editing
[10:06] <icheyne> does anyone know if I can remove a kernel from the /boot menu so it does not automatically regenerate with grub?
[10:06] <icheyne> thanks Lastkey0 I am reading the wiki now
[10:06] <uber_mort> Tesla: Thats the only thing that I can think of honestly.  Other than some problem with hardware, but you said the memtest worked.  I highly doubt that its problems with the programs...  maybe its a page swapping algorithm problem?  Maybe your TLB has a problem with it?
[10:07] <Lastkey0> icheyne: try this "more /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[10:07] <uber_mort> Tesla: If your TLB was broken though you'd probably have more problems than just browsers
[10:07] <Conor> hey, I think I got it!
[10:07] <Tesla> uber_mort, however i thik i'll try to reinstall my system with making swap 1GB. if everything will be fine i'll be back in a half an hour
[10:07] <Lastkey0> you can use vi editor, gedit or kate to edit
[10:07] <Lastkey0> but be very careful while editing
[10:07] <uber_mort> Tesla: I'll be here, good luck
[10:07] <icheyne> thanks Lastkey0 it doesn't answer my last question though
[10:07] <Tesla> uber_mort, can you explain what is a TLB please?
[10:08] <icheyne> Lastkey0, if I can remove the kernel from /boot that might save me the aggro
[10:08] <darkkish_> i'm making counterstrike maps
[10:08] <darkkish_> fun fujn
[10:08] <uber_mort> Tesla: Translation look aside buffer.  It translates virtual memory, and if it were broken you'd get errors like you're getting, though you'd be getting them with EVERYTHING and probably wouldn't even be able to boot/run for more than a few minutes
[10:08] <Lastkey0> I'm not sure but may be there could be some disastrous results with removing the kernel
[10:09] <uber_mort> Tesla: Translates virtual memory addresses to physical mem addresses rather.
[10:09] <Lastkey0> If you are booting with someother kernel there won't be any problem with the kernel you want to remove
[10:09] <icheyne> Lastkey0, I have two in there. I just wanted to move one that I did nto need and regenerate my grub menu
[10:09] <Lastkey0> just edit the grub to not to see it in the list
[10:09] <lorenzo_r> ciao a tutti
[10:09] <icheyne> aha thanks Lastkey0
[10:09] <LjL> !it | lorenzo_r
[10:09] <ubotu> lorenzo_r: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:09] <lorenzo_r> sorry
[10:10] <lorenzo_r> ok thanks
[10:10] <Tesla> uber_mort, i dont think i have TBL broken. everything exept browsers runs perfect and stable for several day a row.
[10:10] <uber_mort> Tesla: Yah, I couldn't imagine the TLB breaking and still letting you run anything at all.  So like I said, swap space is the only thing I can think of.  If things don't work after the resize then maybe someone else will have a better idea.
[10:11] <Tesla> uber_mort, in fact the only browser works good for me is Dillo. i'm forced to use it to surf ubuntu forums. btw that didnt solved my problem :-(
[10:11] <uber_mort> Tesla: You increased swap space already?
[10:12] <Tesla> uber_mort, no, i'm still here in my kubunto. i have to reboot at least :-) so, i'm gone for reinstall. thank you so much.
[10:12] <uber_mort> Tesla: Dillo is small: source is less than 420 KB, and the binary is around  350 KB!
[10:12] <uber_mort> Tesla: Again, supports my theorey
[10:12] <uber_mort> ok guys moving places, be back in a bit, you stay classy #Kubuntu
[10:13] <cloakable> uber_mort: And you can enable tabs in the Ubuntu source code :)
[10:14] <uber_mort> ??  Enable tabs?
[10:14] <uber_mort> be back
[10:16] <Conor> hey, whats the easiest way to install, say firefox, on my new kubuntu install
[10:16] <lupine_85> Conor: sudo apt-get install firefox
[10:16] <lupine_85> terminal is faster than GUI :p
[10:17] <Conor> haha
[10:17] <lupine_85> If you want GUI, though, Adept is the package manager
[10:17] <Conor> lupine_85: Apparently adept is doing a lot of updating right now
[10:17] <lupine_85> but you have to wait for it to load up information about /all/ the packages before you can install one
[10:17] <thev> anyone know why when I set up the Nvidia driver xorg works fine until I reboot, and then I have to reinstall and start xorg manually?
[10:18] <karmikaze> im having nvidia trouble too
[10:18] <karmikaze> the sudo enable never works for me
[10:18] <darkkish_> xubuntu is fine but i think KDE is pretty nice
[10:18] <lupine_85> thev: howe did you install the driver?
[10:18] <karmikaze> says to check if i have nvidia-kernel which i do
[10:19] <thev> lupine_85 - downloaded it from nvidia
[10:19] <lupine_85> karmikaze: you could just edit xorg.conf manually
[10:19] <lupine_85> it's a straight "nv" -> "nvidia" change
[10:19] <thev> sh nvidia.run and it builds and installs it
[10:19] <lupine_85> thev: the drivers in linux-restricted-modules conflict with it
[10:19] <lupine_85> which version do you have installed? 9631? 9742?
[10:19] <karmikaze> ive got
[10:19] <thev> uhh... newest from nvidia
[10:20] <karmikaze> 2.6.17-19-generic
[10:20] <thev> lupine_85 perhaps I can just unistall all the other drivers?
[10:20] <lupine_85> they've got two newest: newest stable and newest beta :p
[10:20] <thev> stable
[10:20] <lupine_85> thev: you could do. Better would be to install the latest from an unofficial repo
[10:20] <karmikaze> is there a repo for that?
[10:20] <lupine_85> yeah
[10:20] <lupine_85> see http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/
[10:20] <karmikaze> cheers
[10:20] <lupine_85> np :)
[10:20] <thev> thanks lupine
[10:21] <lupine_85> uninstall the manual one first, though
[10:21] <lupine_85> the installer takes a --uninstall flag that will do the trick
[10:21] <karmikaze> ok thanks
[10:22] <Conor> if Im still waiting for adept to update, can I use apt-get to install something, or do I have to wait for adept to update?
[10:22] <CSonicGo> augh stupid router
[10:22] <Conor> are adept and apt-get different?
[10:22] <karmikaze> no Conor
[10:22] <karmikaze> you have to wait
[10:22] <lupine_85> you can only run one package manager at a time
[10:23] <Conor> oh
[10:26] <darkkish_> mythbusters
[10:26] <darkkish_> oooo
[10:26] <darkkish_> lol
[10:26] <faLUCE> Hi. is there an unofficial repo with mplayer1.x ?
[10:27] <RealisticDragon> an old version? you might be able to get it out of ubuntu 5.something repositories
[10:27] <RealisticDragon> im not sure if itll work on edgy because of the dependancies though
[10:27] <RealisticDragon> or is it a new version :o
[10:28] <RealisticDragon> too many packages to keep track of :P
[10:28] <lupine_85> 1.x is new I think :)
[10:28] <Imrahil> which kde applications have names which are spelled correctly in German? Konsole I know for sure, but I thought there were others
[10:28] <RealisticDragon> they should make everyone use ubuntus version system :D
[10:28] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy multiverse
[10:29] <biza> How can i exit the X server and work completely in console mode ??
[10:30] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: you can google for the debian ones
[10:30] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: they have a habbit of shifting around
[10:31] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: it's not the 1.x version and it gives me a "break" msg in adept
[10:31] <RealisticDragon> biza: press ctrl alt f1 (ctrl alt f7 will get you back)
[10:31] <biza> thanks!
[10:31] <RealisticDragon> if you want to totally quit it then log out, you can quit X from the menu there
[10:32] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: aah could mean you have an old version of kaffeine or something
[10:32] <RealisticDragon> or you can start/stop X on the command line with /etc/init.d/x1-common
[10:32] <RealisticDragon> :)
[10:32] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: what I have to do?
[10:32] <RealisticDragon> brb
[10:32] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: our your sources list is mixing ubuntu versions
[10:32] <julian__> hi
[10:32] <julian__> newbie braucht hilfe ;)
[10:32] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: I cant say Im not in front of your machine
[10:32] <julian__> wer will mir helfen
[10:33] <julian__> hilfe?!
[10:33] <sean> hm
[10:33] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: check your sources and make sure they are not mixed up
[10:33] <LjL> !de | julian__
[10:33] <ubotu> julian__: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:33] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: I have no issues with mplayer installs
[10:34] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: do you mean compiled source codes?
[10:34] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: do you mean compiled (by me) source codes?
[10:34] <sean> trying to figure out how to make a partition so i can keep all my files and stuff on one partition, and the os on the other, so that when i update it only removes the os partition and not the one with my files on.
[10:34] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: no I just grab the mplayer package that setup for my version of ubuntu
[10:35] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: when you say: check your sources.... what do you mean?
[10:35] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: if your getting "break" it means you either havent updated properly or you have mixed sources
[10:35] <faLUCE> source codes compiled by me?
[10:35] <tim__> anyone know how to get ktorrent scheduler working? i loaded it but doesnt stop torrents.
[10:35] <sean> anyone know how?
[10:35] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: sources.list  is a file that contains were your system gets all it packages
[10:36] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: you can access it from within the adept package manager
[10:36] <faLUCE> Ah, I see
[10:36] <faLUCE> I'm seeing it
[10:36] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: you can add and remove and update the sources list from within adept
[10:37] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: judt be aware of what servers your adding because they may cause breaks
[10:37] <Linux_Galore> just*
[10:38] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: do you think it's the best way, since if I remove repos from the sources, and I start with one repo, I can see the broken relations?
[10:38] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: well what I do is use the official repo's (see ubuntu online details) that way i never have these issues
[10:38] <faLUCE> I see
[10:39] <Linux_Galore> repo = package repository (server)
[10:39] <Triple> Ive been trying some options in hdparm to speed up my hard drives, (Ultra ATA 133) but i cant get it past  Timing cached reads:   1488 MB in  2.00 seconds = 743.95 MB/sec
[10:39] <Triple>  Timing buffered disk reads:   88 MB in  3.08 seconds =  28.57 MB/sec
[10:39] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: mplayer is on the ubuntu servers
[10:39] <Triple> Anybody have an idea to speed it up?
[10:40] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: you may have to use a debian server to get some of the codecs
[10:40] <joost> Konversation is messed up
[10:40] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: for legal reason
[10:40] <joost> (on ubuntu edgy)
[10:40] <lupine_85> joost: using it here and it works fine
[10:40] <Linux_Galore> joost: works fine here
[10:41] <joost> the server list window stays open, and its buttons are missing
[10:41] <RealisticDragon> hm which port does apt use by default? anyone know?
[10:41] <Linux_Galore> joost: remove and reainstall the package
[10:41] <RealisticDragon> im being throttled to 3kb/sec which is no fun
[10:41] <lupine_85> RealisticDragon: none by default
[10:41] <joost> ill do
[10:41] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: i have removed all the repos from my list and leaved only deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy multiverse. but when i try to install mplayer it says "broke" again
[10:42] <joost> other thing id like to mention is mounting smbfs drives
[10:42] <RealisticDragon> lupine_85: apt must use some port to get data :o
[10:42] <lupine_85> it uses a random high port like any other HTTP/FTP client
[10:42] <joost> there is a bug causing HAL to crash
[10:42] <lupine_85> it connects to 23/80 depending on the service running on the remote server
[10:42] <RealisticDragon> http uses 80 by default, no? got your point about ftp though
[10:42] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: as I said Im not on your machine so i cant back trace were its broken
[10:42] <joost> i got the workaround allright, but the bug is in there al long time] 
[10:42] <fdoving> RealisticDragon: 80, yes.
[10:42] <joost> i noticed feisty still having it
[10:43] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: also you dont have to remove evrything because just having one repo wont allow you to install mplayer anyway
[10:43] <WooD> Hi ! I have reinstall Ubuntu and lost all addons for Firefox.... and now I need a emulator of Internet explorer into firefox any of you know which addon do this ? I cant remember the one I had
[10:43] <joost> smbfs -> noauto
[10:43] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: the mplayer stuff is spread out a bit
[10:43] <faLUCE> i see
[10:43] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: thanks anyway
[10:43] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: mplayer isnt a single all in one package
[10:44] <kkathman> WooD:   I remember there are several, but dont remember the names - Google should help tho
[10:44] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: for suse it is
[10:44] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: no not even on suse
[10:44] <faLUCE> but for suse there's the 1.x version....
[10:44] <snook353> what do i use to move data from one desktop to my laptop?
[10:44] <faLUCE> i can't find it for kubuntu
[10:45] <RealisticDragon> WooD: you want an IE skin?
[10:45] <kkathman> yeah there is for SUSE but only in the backports I believe
[10:45] <RealisticDragon> WooD: or something that emulates quirks mode?
[10:45] <kkathman> why do you want the back version
[10:45] <lenscape_> I'm getting "Permission denied" trying to access nfs shares when I don't think I should. Server is Kubuntu. Client is Suse
[10:45] <snook353> windows98 to kubuntu
[10:45] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: there is a package on suse called mplayer but when you trigger it to install it will also download about another 9 packages
[10:45] <RealisticDragon> snook353: i like fish:// for KDE/konqueror :)
[10:45] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: i know this
[10:45] <RealisticDragon> or, w98 :o
[10:45] <faLUCE> but I want to do the same for
[10:45] <snook353> thanks, realisticdragon
[10:45] <lupine_85> fish:// ++
[10:45] <faLUCE> kubuntu:)
[10:45] <faLUCE> and I can't!
[10:45] <RealisticDragon> snook353: fish is for linux to linux
[10:45] <kkathman> no need for mplayer on kubuntu or SUSE tho
[10:46] <snook353> oh :(
[10:46] <max_> does anyone know when KDE4 is going to be released?
[10:46] <kkathman> use kaffeine
[10:46] <Nontitle> i don't really like fish://, it's the same as ssh and sftp, but it adds an unneeded file
[10:46] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: yes but you have a broken dep problem, basically you have to remove something
[10:46] <snook353> ah
[10:46] <lupine_85> RealisticDragon: there is a program that lets you bind ssh to drives in windows
[10:46] <RealisticDragon> WooD: http://themes.mozdev.org/themes/ie.html is this what you want?
[10:46] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: do you mean some installed package?
[10:46] <lupine_85> forget what it's called though
[10:46] <RealisticDragon> nifty lupine_85:)
[10:46] <kkathman> if you need mplayer for your browser, install the mplayerplug-in instead
[10:46] <lupine_85> sftpdrive or something
[10:46] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: if you look at the mplayer packafe details in adept it should show you what dependencies it has
[10:47] <kkathman> it doesnt install a bunch of dependencies
[10:47] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: i can see the broken dependencies but
[10:47] <faLUCE> what's the next action?
[10:47] <lenscape_> anyone using kubuntu as an nfs server?
[10:48] <lenscape_> other than setting up 'exports' is anything else required?
[10:48] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: Im finding it strange you have a broken dep because there should be none of your using the official repo, I suspect you have a bad update or incomplete
[10:48] <Linux_Galore> if*
[10:48] <kkathman> course that's firefox2 - something weird
[10:48] <max_> kkathman: i have 3.31 and mine works in FF
[10:48] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: let's try an update
[10:49] <kkathman> max_:  go to CNN.com and see if you can see their videos
[10:49] <kkathman> or BBC
[10:49] <max_> k
[10:49] <lenscape_> seems to be a lot broken in kubuntu
[10:49] <kkathman> cuz I cant using 3.31 and FF2
[10:49] <kkathman> I could with FF 1.5.0.6 + mplayerplug-in 3.25
[10:49] <max_> i have 3.31 and FF2
[10:49] <max_> SUSE SUCKS
[10:50] <lenscape_> max_ but it works
[10:50] <kkathman> SUSE doesnt suck.. please dont start that :(
[10:50] <max_> lol
[10:50] <kkathman> max_:  can you see the videos there?
[10:50] <max_> its loading now
[10:50] <kkathman> ok
[10:50] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: the update (as well as upgrade) functions of adept don't work
[10:50] <max_> ya i can see um kkathman
[10:50] <lupine_85> SuSE-- :p
[10:50] <kkathman> hmm
[10:50] <Linux_Galore> please not distro wars, just makes us look pathetic
[10:50] <lupine_85> lol
[10:50] <kkathman> max_:  I need your help then :)
[10:50] <lupine_85> OK, ok. Novell-----------------
[10:51] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: have you added all the repo's back
[10:51] <kkathman> mine just bring up the player, then it says "stopped"
[10:51] <lenscape_> does kubuntu need extra set-up to get nfs server working?
[10:51] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: yes
[10:51] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: make sure each repo has the same name ie dapper or edgy
[10:51] <uber_mort> Hey all, back
[10:51] <snook353> if i get a male/male usb cable, do i need any software to move files from windows machine to kubuntu machine?
[10:51] <max_> kkathman: i had that problem, it cleared itself up. but while i had it i right clicked, clicked play, then right clicked and told it full screen
[10:51] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: but not both they should all have the same name
[10:52] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: would you like to see my source.list?
[10:52] <kkathman> max_:  hmm I dont understand it
[10:52] <lupine_85> snook353: everything you need will be in the repos
[10:52] <fdoving> lenscape_: yes. https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/serverguide/C/network-file-system.html
[10:52] <kkathman> I have installed and reinstalled it
[10:52] <lupine_85> essentially it's a null modem cable
[10:52] <max_> kkathman: i did too
[10:52] <snook353> ok, i'll see what happens
[10:52] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: sure
[10:52] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: thanks
[10:52] <max_> kkathman: it finnally stopped doin it, but see if what i said works
[10:52] <lupine_85> so you'd create a TCP/IP link over it and transfer files as if it were a normal link
[10:52] <faLUCE> would you like it pasted on http://rafb.net/paste/ ?
[10:53] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: doesnt bother me
[10:53] <faLUCE> ok wait a sec
[10:54] <lenscape_> fdoving: Thanks. That was brilliant. All working now.
[10:54] <taikisan> hi
[10:54] <Conor> how do I find out how much space I have left on my hard drive?
[10:55] <lenscape_> Conor: df -h
[10:55] <kkathman> max_:  ok.. now tell me again what you did
[10:55] <taikisan> hi, how can i install the kdelook themes in kubuntu?
[10:55] <Linux_Galore> !pastebin
[10:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:55] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: http://rafb.net/p/IL5o0w35.html
[10:56] <max_> kkathman:  i right clicked, clicked play, then right clicked and told it full screen
[10:56] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: you have mixed a sources lis thats why its broken
[10:56] <Linux_Galore> list*
[10:56] <Linux_Galore> your either edy or dapper not both
[10:56] <Linux_Galore> edgy*
[10:56] <faLUCE> ah, I see
[10:57] <faLUCE> let's correct it
[10:57] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: let me give you mine then you will see
[10:57] <xenol> !quanta
[10:57] <ubotu> quanta: web development environment for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2361 kB, installed size 5700 kB
[10:57] <xenol> !nvu
[10:57] <ubotu> nvu: Complete Web Authoring System. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0final-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 8373 kB, installed size 26448 kB
[10:57] <xenol> for web development wat is better? nvu or quanta?
[10:58] <RealisticDragon> depends what kind xenol, im not really a big fan of that kind of stuff
[10:58] <RealisticDragon> i use drupal + inkscape + vim
[10:58] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: ok
[10:58] <RealisticDragon> but the right tool really depends on the job you want to do
[10:58] <kkathman> max_:  that didnt work
[10:59] <kkathman> max_:  when I look in my settings, the wm* says "windows media player" but other things say "mplayerplugin 3.31"
[10:59] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38280/
[10:59] <kkathman> I need to be able to change those in firefox, but dont know how
[10:59] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: Ive also set it up as a text view so you can just copy the file to /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:00] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: let's try
[11:01] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: have to update your system, it may take a while because now all the packages are edgy
[11:02] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: some are very new ie koffice
[11:02] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: i changed the source.list but
[11:02] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: if you ntice I have a special entry for koffice and amarok
[11:02] <faLUCE> it still uses the old one
[11:03] <faLUCE> (adept)
[11:03] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: yeah you may have to reboot
[11:03] <faLUCE> I see
[11:03] <faLUCE> lemmi try
[11:03] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: or make adept update
[11:05] <Linux_Galore> hmm I really need to clean up my sources file
[11:05] <faLUCE> well i have to reboot
[11:07] <Conor> is kdevelop a good ide?  How do I install it?
[11:07] <chx> how could I switch off Kopete's sounds? It's VERY, VERY annoying and I found nothing in settings
[11:07] <RealisticDragon> two friends, /exit and /quit sitting in a garden... /exit goes away, who is still there?
[11:07] <bobbyd> Conor: it's ok, it's not as slick as .NET but it's functional
[11:07] <bobbyd> Conor: apt-get install kdevelop3
[11:08] <Conor> that didnt work.
[11:08] <RealisticDragon> if you want something more like .NET then java/eclipse is probably as close as you will get :)
[11:08] <Conor> isnt .net a microsoft product?
[11:08] <bobbyd> Conor: Yes
[11:08] <RealisticDragon> yes it is
[11:08] <Conor> okay
[11:08] <fdoving> chx: system settings -> notifications -> select kopete in the drop-down list. then make your modifications.
[11:08] <bobbyd> Conor: I'm just saying that if you're used to that KDevelop isn't as slick, especially for debugging
[11:09] <bobbyd> Conor: Eclipse is actually pretty good, if a bit fat and slow
[11:09] <Conor> E: Couldnt find package kdevelop3
[11:09] <Conor> hmm...
[11:09] <RealisticDragon> eclipse is for java
[11:09] <Conor> Id like to try both
[11:09] <chx> fdoving: this is somewhat windows-esque, why kopete sounds are not in kopete...?
[11:09] <RealisticDragon> kdevelop is for C/C++
[11:09] <bobbyd> RealisticDragon: it has C++ plugins
[11:09] <Conor> is eclipse writen in java?
[11:09] <RealisticDragon> ah, cool
[11:09] <Conor> oh I see
[11:09] <bobbyd> Conor: yes
[11:09] <fdoving> chx: because knotify handles notifications.
[11:09] <bobbyd> RealisticDragon: eclise has some pretty cool tools
[11:10] <bobbyd> Conor: what version of kubuntu are you on?
[11:10] <Conor> okay.  Does it fold code?  Im a little addicted to that
[11:10] <Conor> 6.10
[11:10] <bobbyd> Conor: Kdevelop does
[11:10] <RealisticDragon> Conor: i use vim for code folding, know exactly what you mean :D
[11:10] <Conor> but eclipse?
[11:10] <fdoving> chx: most applications have a 'Configure notifications..' in their settings menu, though. (it leads to the same settings dialog)
[11:10] <Misfit> I want to partition my HDD, one small partition (10-20gb?) for the OS, and then the other partition being the rest of the space on the HDD, for my apps and stuff. Any ideas/reccommendations?
[11:10] <bobbyd> Conor: it should be there then, you might need to enable all the repositories in adept
[11:10] <TheGateKeeper> Conor, another one to consider: http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/screen-shots
[11:11] <bobbyd> Conor: kdevelop and eclipse both do it, as does kde's text editor, KATE
[11:11] <Conor> vim folds code?  that is the most ridiculusly advanced non-gui ever
[11:11] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: nothing done
[11:11] <faLUCE> adept still links an old source list
[11:11] <bobbyd> TheGateKeeper: I've found Anjunta pretty flaky
[11:11] <chx> fdoving: oh. so we have configure program which has multiple tabs and then we have separate configurations for some other stuff. confusing. but yes, can be learned.
[11:11] <Tesla> uber_mort: i'm here again.
[11:11] <RealisticDragon> theres a eclipse plugin for code folding
[11:11] <uber_mort> Tesla: Aww :(  No go?
[11:11] <faLUCE> I think it's time to reinstall adept
[11:11] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: means you havent replaces the /etc/apt/sources.list  file
[11:11] <Tesla> uber_mort: unfortunaly it didnt helped
[11:11] <Linux_Galore> replaced*
[11:12] <uber_mort> Tesla: I'm sorry :(  I really don't know what else it could be
[11:12] <lm> hey can anybody tell me, how i would go about doing desktop sharing from my xp machine without vnc (cause i use kde)?
[11:12] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: i've replaced them
[11:12] <fdoving> chx: it's not separate configs. it's just that you can modify stuff from multiple places. like you can have more than one door to a room. etc.
[11:12] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: type  sudo cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:12] <Tesla> uber_mort: BUT i found out an interesting thing. if i disable javascript and java it is stable :-)
[11:12] <TheGateKeeper> bobbyd, I have never actually used it, someone suggested it & it looks nice, that's about as much as I know
[11:12] <uber_mort> Tesla: Oh?  Thats quite odd...   I wonder why your system doesn't like javascript.
[11:12] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: already inspected it
[11:12] <bobbyd> TheGateKeeper: kept crashing on me
[11:13] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: it contains your source
[11:13] <lm> hey anybody
[11:13] <Tesla> yeah, i'm surprised too
[11:13] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: adept should show the same
[11:13] <TheGateKeeper> bobbyd, not good
[11:13] <bobbyd> TheGateKeeper: I find for real work the integration of the debugger is the thing that kills most linux IDEs
[11:13] <kcinna> has anyone had problems with flac support in amarok?
[11:13] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: run apt-get update
[11:13] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: mybe some files are corrupted and adept see some garbaged files
[11:13] <Linux_Galore> sudo apt-get update
[11:14] <The_Machine> i start evolution -- icon bounces, and nothing comes up.  Why does KDE hate me?
[11:14] <bobbyd> for instance, kdevelop won't remember the expansions you had last time you ran your code, so you spend a lot of time just clicking on stuff
[11:14] <The_Machine> what can i do to bring it up without having to restart KDE?
[11:14] <bobbyd> The_Machine: alt-space, type konsole, type evolution, hit enter
[11:14] <bobbyd> hit enter after konsole
[11:15] <TheGateKeeper> bobbyd, well that is bad news as I am used to a good debugger, having said that VS version 7.1 has gone backwards
[11:15] <The_Machine> wow.
[11:15] <The_Machine> that is so FREAKING cool.
[11:15] <bobbyd> TheGateKeeper: is that 2005?
[11:15] <The_Machine> (the alt-space thing)
[11:15] <The_Machine> heh
[11:15] <TheDebugger> 7.1 is 2003
[11:15] <TheDebugger> 8.0 is 2005
[11:15] <The_Machine> it isn't doing anything.  Just sitting there.
[11:16] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: I have to reboot again
[11:16] <fdoving> !katapult | the_machine
[11:16] <ubotu> the_machine: katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[11:16] <TheDebugger> 2003 and 2005 are really nice, you can see the content of an stdlib container by hovering the var with the cursor
[11:16] <The_Machine> i've been using alt+F2
[11:16] <The_Machine> but alt+space
[11:16] <TheGateKeeper> bobbyd, nope 2003, we still need to modify our code so it will compile in 2005
[11:16] <The_Machine> is great :)
[11:16] <The_Machine> bobbyd: next step?
[11:17] <bobbyd> TheGateKeeper: we're moving to 2K5 after christmas
[11:17] <fdoving> The_Machine: katapult doesn't support commands yet though.. only things already in the menu. that sucks.
[11:17] <bobbyd> The_Machine: when you have a konsole, run evolution but typing "evolution" and hit enter
[11:18] <The_Machine> i did, bobbyd.  It just sits there.  THe cursor just did a CR..
[11:18] <The_Machine> and just a block box..  nothing is happening.
[11:18] <The_Machine> (in the terminal)
[11:18] <bobbyd> maybe it's screwed then :)
[11:18] <The_Machine> haha
[11:18] <The_Machine> this is why i asked :)
[11:18] <bobbyd> do "tail /var/log/syslog"
[11:18] <bobbyd> see if that tells you anything
[11:19] <fdoving> i doubt evolution logs to syslog.
[11:19] <The_Machine> well.  ewl.
[11:19] <Imrahil> anyone know what happened to katapult's page it disappeared
[11:19] <fdoving> might get better evolution-specific help in #ubuntu
[11:19] <The_Machine> no, but "kernel: [17356094.684000]  rtc: lost some interrupts a                                 t 2048Hz." is bothersome.
[11:19] <The_Machine> fdoving: well, i was generally looking for help with how to recover KDE apps
[11:19] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: no results
[11:19] <The_Machine> because this was happening with amarok for a while
[11:20] <The_Machine> i was lauching them and they were just dissapearing..
[11:20] <faLUCE> apt-get is linked to the old list too
[11:20] <The_Machine> just curious how to recover from that without having to reload the window manager
[11:20] <The_Machine> :D
[11:21] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: look at  /etc/apt: there's a backup bin file
[11:22] <The_Machine> heh
[11:22] <The_Machine> okay
[11:22] <The_Machine> all of KDE just dissapeared
[11:22] <The_Machine> but i have a terminal up..  how do i "run" kde again - without restarting KDE?
[11:22] <The_Machine> like, the window manager - -
[11:23] <wildchild> what's the replacement for command dpkg?
[11:23] <TheDebugger> startke?
[11:23] <TheGateKeeper> bobbyd, we are moving to 2005 (version 8) soon, when people have time to do what is necessary
[11:23] <TheDebugger> startkde?
[11:23] <The_Machine> "KDE already seems to be running on this display"
[11:23] <The_Machine> heh
[11:23] <The_Machine> crap.
[11:24] <TheDebugger> TheGateKeeper: What's wrong with 2k3?
[11:24] <fdoving> The_Machine: 'kicker &'
[11:24] <The_Machine> yes!
[11:24] <faLUCE> Linux_Galore: well now
[11:24] <faLUCE> it works
[11:24] <faLUCE> I'm updating the list
[11:24] <wildchild> dpkg unkonwn command..
[11:24] <The_Machine> That was it :)
[11:24] <TheDebugger> The_Machine: Just restart X.. Ctrl+Shift+Backspace
[11:24] <wildchild> I use edgy
[11:24] <darkkish_> hey i have a question
[11:24] <The_Machine> TheDebugger: couldn't, was in the middle of an operation.  Kicker & worked!
[11:24] <fdoving> !ask | darkkish_
[11:24] <ubotu> darkkish_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:25] <darkkish_> i knew that was coming
[11:25] <The_Machine> thanks fdoving :) :) :)
[11:25] <darkkish_> lol
[11:25] <fdoving> you're welcome the_machine.
[11:25] <darkkish_> i was getting there
[11:25] <Motorhead> hai
[11:25] <Linux_Galore> faLUCE: ok, I have to leave , lots of luck and a Merry Xmas
[11:25] <darkkish_> ok so
[11:25] <darkkish_> depending on what desktop i'm on (one out of four)
[11:25] <Linux_Galore> karma Points +1
[11:26] <darkkish_> can it only show the tasks of that one desktop
[11:26] <darkkish_> like xubuntu does
[11:26] <bobbyd> TheGateKeeper: The engine we're using is moving to 2K5 so we have no choice :)
[11:26] <faLUCE> what a gentle boy:)
[11:26] <CSonicGo> haha, I eat karma for dinner
[11:26] <CSonicGo> that's why I don't have any.
[11:26] <bobbyd> TheGateKeeper: but we get compilation on multiple cores, so that's a bonus
[11:26] <darkkish_> like i have 6 windows open over 4 desktops
[11:27] <TheGateKeeper> TheDebugger, well one of it's annoying habits when you try to step into code it comes with some stupid dialog saying it can only show disassemble code
[11:27] <fdoving> darkkish_: yes. you can.
[11:27] <darkkish_> fdoving: cool how?
[11:27] <TheDebugger> TheDebugger: I think 2k5 is not as stable as 2003 though..
[11:27] <TheDebugger> I had some crashes and problems with intellisense
[11:28] <Hawkwind> darkkish_: Right click on the taskbar and go to preferences/configure and there is an option there for it
[11:28] <Hawkwind> darkkish_: You want it to show only apps for the current desktop
[11:28] <darkkish_> yes
[11:28] <darkkish_> hey Hawkwind i remember you
[11:28] <Hawkwind> That was a statement, not a question 
[11:28] <darkkish_> haha
[11:28] <darkkish_> do you remember me Hawkwind?
[11:29] <Hawkwind> darkkish_: Kind of.  I see so many people in a day though sometimes I don't remember everyone
[11:29] <darkkish_> wine
[11:29] <darkkish_> WoW and Wine
[11:29] <Hawkwind> Ah yeah
[11:29] <fdoving> darkkish_: if your panel is locked unlock it. then rightclick on the handler (dotted line just in front of the list of tasks/windows).. then select 'Configure tasklist.. ' or something similar (translated on the fly) then.. do as hawkwind just said. de-select 'show apps from all desks'..
[11:29] <bobbyd> darkkish: cedega
[11:30] <darkkish_> thats exactly what i wanted!
[11:30] <darkkish_> thank you
[11:30] <darkkish_> i love you guys
[11:30] <darkkish_> bobbyd: i got wow running fine i just couldn't get sound
[11:30] <darkkish_> and cedega didn't fix the problem
[11:30] <brendan_> hi, i read in a bug report, that gam_server was being replaced in kubuntu
[11:30] <brendan_> is this true, and what is it being replaced with?
[11:37] <darkkish_> is there a show desktop button in KDE?
[11:38] <lupine_85> yep
[11:38] <lupine_85> it's an applet IIRC
[11:38] <darkkish_> aha fiound it :) thanks
[11:39] <Misfit> I want to partition my HDD, one small partition (10-20gb?) for the OS, and then the other partition being the rest of the space on the HDD, for my apps and stuff. Any ideas/reccommendations?
[11:39] <darkkish_> my panel is getting kind of big and lacking space for apps
[11:40] <darkkish_> what can i do about that?
[11:40] <fdoving> brendan_: is it? i think some time it was discuessed to drop it completely for kde-things. not sure how that discussion ended though.
[11:40] <Hawkwind> darkkish_: Create a new panel
[11:40] <darkkish_> how?
[11:40] <Hawkwind> darkkish_: Right click on the current panel and there is an option to create new panels
[11:42] <fdoving> you can also use the quickstarter (or whatever it's called in english) applet.. to make your launcher buttons smaller.
[11:42] <fdoving> quick launcher, that is in english.
[11:43] <darkkish_> now my mouse is acting up...
[11:43] <darkkish_> its stuck going down unless i move it up (its the eraser style laptop mouse thing)
[11:44] <darkkish_> i can't fix it
[11:44] <darkkish_> what do i do
[11:45] <fdoving> darkkish_: those can do that to you. I had a dell with that problem.. ended up hitting it hard a few times.. sometimes hepled.. but it's not good for the HD.
[11:45] <fdoving> get a usb mouse and disbale the thing.. or something.
[11:45] <Tesla> uber_mort: may i wonder what version of Kubunto you have and how you got it? (CD/DVD/inet upgrade)
[11:45] <darkkish_> wierd i did ctrl alt excape or w/e (never clicked on anything) seems to befine now
[11:45] <Misfit> Is there a program I can use to partition my HDD?
[11:45] <darkkish_> somethinig in adept Misfit
[11:46] <darkkish_> kpart or something like that
[11:47] <lupine_85> qparted
[11:47] <darkkish_> yeah that
[11:47] <darkkish_> >_>
[11:47] <darkkish_> um so
[11:47] <CSonicGo> anyone know how to set up a unix share that is open to all linux boxes?
[11:48] <CSonicGo> I just want to transfer a file, it's very difficult to with samba, is it easier with Unix?
[11:48] <rance> where do i go to configure the cd autoloader?
[11:53] <darkkish_> oops
[11:53] <fdoving> CSonicGo: you can try https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/serverguide/C/network-file-system.html
[11:54] <CSonicGo> alright
[11:55] <darkkish_> shit
[11:55] <CSonicGo> what what
[11:55] <darkkish_> i just killed... what ever that thing is
[11:55] <CSonicGo> did you break something? :-(
[11:55] <darkkish_> the kmenu
[11:55] <darkkish_> how do i get it back?
[11:55] <CSonicGo> run "kicker"
[11:55] <darkkish_> yay thanks
[11:55] <darkkish_> lol
[11:56] <CSonicGo> ok dudes are there any XMAS themes or something for Kubuntu? I wanna decorate the desktop, nyo?
[11:56] <CSonicGo> heh.
[11:56] <darkkish_> now how do i shut off kasbar?
[11:57] <darkkish_> ?
[11:58] <CSonicGo> well there is task manager :)
[11:58] <darkkish_> but shouldn't there jsut be a way to shut it off?
[11:58] <soulrider> does anyone know how to open a CHM file ?
[11:59] <towync> hello
[11:59] <towync> anyone know what local.conf is for, and where i can find it + edit it?
[11:59] <darkkish_> are there any programs like kasbar (but better)?
[11:59] <towync> !kasbar
[12:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kasbar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:00] <towync> darkkish kooldock and kxdocker work?
[12:00] <darkkish_> maybe i'll try that thaniks
[12:01] <towync> darkkish what's kasbar
[12:01] <towync> darkkish i went to the site it was confusing lol
[12:01] <endo602> Hello.  How can I convert .iso to .avi?
[12:02] <endo602> Hello.  What program do I use?
[12:02] <darkkish_> ...
[12:02] <darkkish_> iso is an img file
[12:02] <endo602> i know
[12:02] <endo602> its a vcd
[12:02] <darkkish_> if you mount it you might be able to pull a file out of it
[12:02] <darkkish_> but basically an iso is like a zip
[12:02] <endo602> what program do i mount it with?
[12:02] <darkkish_> idk
[12:02] <darkkish_> idk
[12:02] <darkkish_> i don't think it swhat i'm looking for TowerKeeper
[12:03] <darkkish_> er towy
[12:03] <darkkish_> or not xd
[12:04] <endo602> Darkkish, what program will pull the file out?
[12:04] <adz21c> kiso
[12:04] <darkkish_> idk
[12:04] <endo602> cant find idk package
[12:04] <CSonicGo> haha, I got doom to play in Kubuntu! :D
[12:04] <darkkish_> ...
[12:04] <darkkish_> i mean i have no idea
[12:05] <endo602> ohhhh
[12:05] <endo602> sorry
[12:05] <endo602> newb
[12:05] <darkkish_> i am not framilliar with linux eqivelents
[12:05] <endo602> oh ok
[12:05] <endo602> thanks anyways
[12:06] <Tangrim> bonjour
[12:06] <adz21c> endo602: kiso can open iso files to get at them
[12:06] <darkkish_> adz21c: do you know what kasbar is?
[12:07] <endo602> adz21c, what can i use to convert the mpeg to .avi?
[12:07] <adz21c> not that i can think of ... gimmie a clue and it may job my memory, sounds familiar
[12:07] <adz21c> endo602: mencoder or ffmpeg
[12:08] <rance> when kubuntu detects a sound card at boot, and loads modules, what file do I have to edit to change the kernel parameters passed to the module at command line
[12:08] <soulrider> rance: grub ?
[12:08] <mzli> How can I disable utc time? anyone help me?
[12:08] <adz21c> endo602: infact if u mount the iso u can follow tutorials for online for using mencoder to copy vcd's/dvds to avi's :)
[12:09] <rance> you can pass module loading options to grup at boot like "snd_via82xx dxs_level 1
[12:09] <endo602> adz21c, its a bin fiile
[12:09] <mzli> I've set /etc/default/rcS utc=no ,But each restarting will change my time again.
[12:09] <endo602> can i convert it?
[12:10] <adz21c> endo602: i think u can but i can't remember how, i never used a bin file under linux
[12:10] <fdoving> nite.
[12:11] <adz21c> endo602: installl bchunk
[12:11] <wildchild> can someone please tell me what's the kubntu syntax for dpkg ?
[12:11] <adz21c> endo602: that converts bins to iso's
[12:11] <adz21c> endo602: http://www.jonhoweonline.com/blog/node/82
[12:11] <mzli> wildchild: man dpkg
[12:11] <wildchild> k
[12:11] <wildchild> only problem is
[12:11] <endo602> thanks
[12:12] <wildchild> I can't do this
[12:12] <wildchild> couse I am in nongraphic mode
[12:12] <wildchild> sinec I made somthing wrong in display settings..
[12:12] <wildchild> since?
[12:12] <wildchild> *
[12:12] <mzli> wildchild: man needn't gui.
[12:12] <wildchild> so there is some kind of command that reconfigure those settings..
[12:12] <darkkish_> does anyone use kasbar?
[12:12] <wildchild> xorg.conf
[12:13] <wildchild> and in this command is "dpkg"..