=== WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@c-65-96-188-198.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === mtaylor [n=mtaylor@cheyenne-69-16-140-5.phx2.puregig.net] has joined #launchpad === mdz [n=mdz@cpe-76-173-8-128.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@ppp110-243.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === mholthaus_ [n=mholthau@johnny33.dersbach.ch] has joined #launchpad [01:05] jordi: aww. Sorry to see you go - good luck and stick around === thumper [n=tim@222.152.39.218] has joined #launchpad === zootreeves [n=ben@user-514f3099.l2.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === zootreeves [n=ben@user-514f3099.l2.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk] has left #launchpad [] === shawn___ [n=shawn@netblock-68-183-69-197.dslextreme.com] has joined #launchpad === shawn___ [n=shawn@netblock-68-183-69-197.dslextreme.com] has joined #launchpad === czedlitz [n=czedlitz@ip70-161-80-244.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #launchpad === thumper yawns === kiko-zzz yawns with thumper === thumper looks at kiko-zzz and yawns again === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad === mdz [n=mdz@cpe-76-173-8-128.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #launchpad === thumper [n=tim@166-179-29-172.jamamobile.co.nz] has joined #launchpad === epx [n=epx@20150205050.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #launchpad === mdz [n=mdz@cpe-76-173-8-128.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad [04:00] is there any way to delete a 'series'? i'd like to get rid of https://launchpad.net/products/compizsettings/0.00 [04:02] Goooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! [04:02] Amaranth, the current way to do it is to make a support request [04:03] https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+tickets [04:03] ick [04:03] alright, i'll do that after i talk to the other developer [04:04] That you can't do it yourself is bug 2141 [04:04] Malone bug 2141 in launchpad "You can't remove series in products" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/2141 [04:06] yum, stale bugs :) [04:06] I guess it's the same for removing a link from a series to a package in ubuntu? [04:10] Same for removing anything [04:10] actually [04:10] with that have you tried setting the package to ""? [04:11] it only lets me add a new link [04:11] not modify the current one === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-126-224.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad [04:15] Amaranth, that's bug 4556 :-( [04:15] Malone bug 4556 in launchpad "can't remove link beetween products and source package" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/4556 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov) [04:15] heh [04:16] starting to think i should have used sourceforge ;) === mdz_ [n=mdz@adsl-75-31-47-148.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #launchpad === mdz_ is now known as mdz [04:25] Amaranth: duck :P === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.14.15.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === mtaylor [n=mtaylor@67.72.69.122] has joined #launchpad === adrigen [n=adrigen@218-214-68-125.people.net.au] has joined #launchpad === shawn___ [n=shawn@netblock-68-183-69-197.dslextreme.com] has joined #launchpad [06:35] New bug: #76423 in blueprint "Render dependency graph image map that contains no-ascii characters crashes" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/76423 [06:47] Ubugtu, that is not a new bug, it was reported two days ago [06:53] however Ubugtu was hiding away for those 2 days [06:53] & it's just catching up now [07:06] ahh === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad [07:42] mpt: it's back to help you with the bug report report [07:55] yep === mdz [n=mdz@adsl-75-31-47-148.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@70.Red-83-53-123.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [08:51] morning [09:07] morning! === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === EmxBA [n=emx@ubuntu/member/emxba] has joined #launchpad [09:29] can someone add ubuntu bosnian translators to https://launchpad.net/rosetta/groups/ubuntu-translators ? === matthewrevell [n=matthew@62-31-78-65.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [09:31] evening [09:39] carlos: see EmxBA's query above [09:39] morning matthewrevell [09:39] mdke: Howdy [09:40] mdke: thanks for the ping [09:40] np [09:40] see https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-bs [09:40] EmxBA: ok, thanks [09:40] thank you [09:41] EmxBA: done [09:41] and, is there any list of people that contributed on specific language? [09:41] EmxBA: We have such information, but we don't have a web page to render that information in a central place [09:42] well i would put top 10 contrib. from bosnian language to bosnian translators team, but i must search for them [09:42] don't forget that quality is important, as well as quantity! [09:42] EmxBA: don't you have a mailing list for Bosnian people? [09:43] EmxBA: I think is better that you ask them to join the team [09:43] yes, but not all of them know for it, some translate time by time and so... [09:43] ok, i have another better idea, thanks anyway [09:43] EmxBA: also, they will get a warning now [09:43] that they translations will not be used by default [09:44] because there is a Bosnian team now [09:44] and that team reviews the trans.? [09:45] EmxBA: yeah, your team is now the only one that will be able to apply changes or add new translations to Ubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@196.207.32.235] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-26-113.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #launchpad [10:02] EmxBA: because of that responsibility carlos mentioned, it's worth having a look at setting up some quality control mechanisms within the team, and some efforts to work with similar groups such as the Gnome or KDE translator groups [10:02] we have mailing list and irc channel, [10:04] EmxBA: I mean, processes which ensure that the group members are good translators and are familiar with common guidelines [10:04] EmxBA: I set out some general ideas, as well as what the italian team does here: http://www.mdke.org/?p=26 [10:04] (in the Translation Teams section) [10:05] ok, that's ok too because our local LUG made a common words list that are mostly bad translated and we've agreed on lots of them so the process is much more better - see http://start.linux.org.ba/InfoRje%C4%8Dnik [10:06] ah nice guide for me mdke :) [10:07] there are also good guides from upstream, for example the Gnome translation guide === carlos [n=carlos@70.Red-83-53-123.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-26-113.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #launchpad === sivang [i=sivan@ubuntu/member/sivang] has joined #launchpad [10:42] morning [10:43] can soomeone please renew my membership in ubuntumembers? [10:43] (got auto-expiray) [11:07] sivang: have you tried asking on one of the ubuntu channels? [11:08] matthewrevell, are you taking over the Launchpad report job from kiko-zzz? [11:08] where by "Launchpad report" I mean "mailing list message about what's new in this Launchpad rollout" [11:09] mpt: kiko-zzz is going to continue to collate the commit reports, then I'll produce a user-friendly summary. [11:09] ok [11:10] If that reduces the amount of time kiko needs to spend on that, that will be great :-) [11:10] ddaa: sent a review of your importd-lastsynced branch [11:10] jamesh: thanks [11:10] ddaa: I think the datepublishedsync stuff is handled at the wrong level === cprov-afk is now known as cprov [11:11] let's talk about it [11:11] okay [11:11] good morning, guys === salgado [n=salgado@201-0-109-95.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:24] mpt, around? === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #launchpad [12:33] jamesh, do you think you'll have time to review my image-widget branch today or tomorrow? [12:33] salgado: check your inbox [12:34] wow [12:35] thanks a lot, jamesh! [12:37] salgado: looks pretty good [12:38] cool. glad you liked it. :) [12:39] salgado: some of the changes I suggest are to make it even easier to use (e.g. so you don't need to use custom_widget(), or override showOptionalMarker()) [12:40] yeah. we'll probably want to use whenever we use the ImageUpload field, so I think that's very good [12:41] salgado, yes [12:43] mpt, the implementation of SearchingProjects has landed. just let me know if you need any help to use it === danilo_ [n=danilo@adsl-233-130.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad [12:48] thank you salgado! === spiv [n=andrew@218-214-66-203.people.net.au] has joined #launchpad [12:55] good morning launchpad [12:56] static: morning! [12:58] bon jour brasil === kiko-zzz is now known as kiko [12:58] mpt, also, I may be able to help you with the search on the distribution page, but please talk to kiko about that since I'm currently working on some shipit stuff [12:58] good morning [12:58] morning/afternoob [12:58] eh, afternoon [12:59] morning SteveA === danilo_ is now known as danilo === danilo is now known as danilos [12:59] hey thumper [12:59] how's the timezone treating you? === kiko yawns to thumper [12:59] yo danilos [12:59] great except for Thursdays / Fridays [01:00] yo kiko === thumper yawns back [01:00] Welcome to the weekly late-late-for-new-zealanders launchpad meeting [01:00] who is here today [01:00] ? [01:00] me [01:00] here [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad [01:00] here [01:01] me [01:01] me [01:01] BjornT: here, or on vacation with an unattended irc client? === kiko hopes BjornT and flacoste stay on vacation [01:01] ddaa: ? [01:01] me [01:01] here [01:02] stub? [01:02] eh/ [01:02] == Agenda == [01:02] * Roll call [01:02] * Agenda [01:02] * Next meeting [01:02] * Activity reports [01:02] /he [01:02] oh... here [01:02] * Actions from last meeting [01:02] * Oops report (Matsubara) [01:02] * Bug report report (mpt) [01:02] * Production and staging (Stuart) [01:02] * Launchpad 1.0 status reports [01:02] * Sysadmin requests [01:02] ---- [01:02] * Reorganising dbschema (Steve) [01:02] * Fix-it Friday and Edge (FiF) [01:02] * Canonical names, testing on beta (Stuart) [01:02] * (other items) [01:02] ---- [01:02] * Keep, Bag, Change [01:02] * Three sentences [01:02] [01:03] next meeting... [01:03] 4 January, skipping one week [01:03] yay for holidays [01:03] any objections or comments? === kiko high fives SteveA [01:03] high five man [01:03] That agenda is out-of-date [01:03] I think [01:03] well I'll be on vacation in the first week of Jan. [01:03] mpt: it isn't, but thanks for looking :-) [01:03] or rather, high man ;) [01:03] I deleted last week's items an hour or so ago [01:04] I'm happy with this agenda [01:04] ok [01:04] activity reports... [01:04] I suck at activity reporting again [01:04] up to date [01:04] up to date [01:04] up to date [01:04] up to date [01:04] up to date [01:04] up to dadte [01:05] up to date [01:05] up to date [01:05] I'm behind (sent some, but missing several). [01:05] up to date (just sent out the yesterday's one, ha!) [01:05] not up to date [01:05] I'm missing yesterday's one [01:05] I suck, not up to date [01:05] will send it after the meeting [01:05] up to date [01:05] oh, same here [01:05] as carlos [01:05] I fell asleep at the keys [01:06] spiv: I don't think you need to be here this week. go work on the smartserver instead (as we just discussed)! :-) [01:06] Ok :) [01:06] * Actions from last meeting [01:07] I discussed the __eq__ thing with andrew [01:07] and we refined the approach and came up with a plan to land it [01:07] I do not believe there were any other actions [01:07] * Oops report (Matsubara) [01:07] good job SteveA [01:07] Today's oops report is about bugs 76319, 46589 [01:07] Malone bug 76319 in launchpad-support-tracker "+needattentiontickets page timing out" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/76319 [01:07] Malone bug 46589 in launchpad "Poll crashes if you select default poll option" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/46589 [01:07] Bug 46589 is not assigned. Salgado, could you take that one? You wrote most (if not all) of the poll code, right? [01:08] stub, can you take a look at bug 76319 and check why that page is timing out? Please leave a comment in the bug with your analysis, that way when Francis comes back he can fix it. (For now, I think that bug can wait for Francis because 100% of the hits were from search bots, if the situation changes meanwhile I'll ask someone else to fix it) [01:08] SteveA: there was an action for me to look into recording checkpoint timestamps in OOPS reports, but I didn't get round to it this week [01:08] matsubara, I can probably take it, but I don't think I'll be able to work on it before January 8 [01:09] matsubara, I asked stub before -- he said the query needs to be rewritten [01:09] jamesh: ok, let's keep track of this. I'd like to see us get the new OOPS format sorted out early next year too. [01:09] matsubara: discussed that one with kiko already [01:09] to not use a subselect [01:09] I personally think it can wait until them, but kiko changed its importance to critical, so../ [01:09] jamesh: this is important for pulling together all the QA efforts, and supporting xmlrpc better [01:09] where did you guys discussed that? [01:10] how do I answer that question [01:10] it'd be nice to have that recorded in the bugtracker [01:10] SteveA: yep. It would be a good task to look at in Brazil [01:10] SteveA, I recorded the other meeting actions (including jamesh's) on the MeetingAgenda [01:11] jamesh: sure. are you sticking around the async office for a bit after the ORM sprint? [01:11] SteveA: yes [01:11] matsubara, yeah, sorry, stub and I didn't do it -- I was multitasking horribly and didn't even have the bug number [01:11] awesome. I think that's a great thing to work on then. [01:11] matsubara, one thing that we could look into is an oops->bug gateway [01:11] i.e. [01:11] a URL to which I add an OOPS ID [01:11] and it redirects me to the right bug [01:11] jamesh: have re-asked now in -devel, but asked before and did not get any response [01:11] matsubara, do you think that could work? === stub comments on the bug anyway [01:12] I think we can add an oops id table to support our own development and QA processes [01:12] it's a special case, but important for launchpad itself [01:12] kiko: that'd be nice to have. [01:12] SteveA, maybe it could work for the distro team and others too [01:12] matsubara, one option is using the OOPS as a bug alias [01:12] kiko: you mean any random OOPS or one already in a bug report? [01:12] cute idea [01:12] but no, that couldn't work, it's an N to one [01:12] I like that [01:13] there are many OOPSes to a bug [01:13] if we had many aliases per bug [01:13] yeah [01:13] worth considering though === sivang [i=sivan@ubuntu/member/sivang] has left #launchpad [] [01:13] matsubara: are we done? [01:14] SteveA: sorry, yes. thanks [01:14] thank you [01:14] * Bug report report (mpt) [01:14] SteveA, I'll carry them forward to the next meeting if you think we don't have time for them this week [01:14] we have time [01:14] There are 17 known Critical bugs in Launchpad without released fixes. :-( The oldest ten are: [01:14] * Bug #30602 (Timeout errors in +translate), Critical, In Progress, kiko [01:14] * Bug #68295 (private), Critical, In Progress, kiko [01:14] kiko, are you making any progress? [01:14] Malone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko) [01:15] not really. [01:15] * Bug #44214 (We need to add code to prevent POFiles being in the same path), Critical, Fix Committed, carlos [01:15] carlos, has that been rolled out? If not, should it be cherrypicked? [01:15] and thanks for commenting in the bug stub [01:15] Bug 68295 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/68295 is private [01:15] Malone bug 44214 in rosetta "We need to add code to prevent POFiles being in the same path" [Critical,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/44214 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos) [01:15] * Bug #46589 (Poll crashes if you select default poll option), Critical, Confirmed, unassigned, which matsubara already discussed [01:15] Malone bug 46589 in launchpad "Poll crashes if you select default poll option" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/46589 [01:15] if I sit down to do just that I can do it but things have been flying at me left and right. [01:15] that's one that we should really fix salgado [01:15] matsubara, do you think you'd find it hard to fix it? [01:15] ok [01:16] * Bug #46982 (Need to support KDE like plural forms), Critical, Confirmed, danilos [01:16] * Bug #73509 (.po file export doesn't update cached files), Critical, Confirmed, danilos [01:16] Malone bug 46982 in rosetta "Need to support KDE like plural forms" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/46982 - Assigned to (danilo) [01:16] Malone bug 73509 in rosetta ".po file export doesn't update cached files" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73509 - Assigned to (danilo) [01:16] danilos, will you get either of those done before the holidays? [01:16] mpt: no progress on those yet [01:16] kiko: maybe elliot can look at the poll crash? [01:16] mpt: bug #44214 cannot be cherrypicked. I need to see how to do it cherrypickable [01:16] which one? the poll one? [01:16] * Bug #65800 (staging., demo., and edge. should obviously be demos), Critical, Confirmed, mpt [01:16] I will either fix this later today NZT, or mail the launchpad list explaining why I can't. [01:16] Malone bug 65800 in launchpad "staging., demo., and edge. should obviously be demos" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/65800 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) [01:16] mpt: only 73509 is possible, 46982 not [01:17] danilos, ok, thanks [01:17] SteveA, that's an idea [01:17] kiko, I have two days left. I'm happy to work on it but I also need to land the ImageUpload widget and start another branch to use it everywhere [01:17] mpt: do you want to talk about 65800 in a voice call? [01:17] static: you up for it? [01:17] kiko, SteveA, I'd be happy to tackle it [01:17] salgado, yeah.. is that so time-critical though? [01:17] static, cool. matsubara can you give static some assistance getting started? [01:17] SteveA, yes, but not until after I've looked at the code [01:17] kiko: sure. [01:17] SteveA, oh, wait, I was confusing it with the other one, which is: [01:17] not really, I can just land the image-widget stuff and leave the rest for later, but there's also the shipit thing [01:17] * Bug 74839 (private), Confirmed, Critical, mpt [01:17] I will try to fix this today, but it is quite likely I will not know how. [01:17] Bug 74839 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/74839 is private [01:18] mpt: I had an idea about it. we should takl about it after this meeting. [01:18] salgado, yeah.. your call really [01:18] * Bug #71283 (Allow non-authenticated rendering of +translate pages), Critical, In Progress, carlos [01:18] Malone bug 71283 in rosetta "Allow non-authenticated rendering of +translate pages" [Critical,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/71283 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos) [01:18] carlos, is that nearly finished? [01:18] SteveA, ok [01:18] mpt: so which bug will you be doing today? the ui 1.0 one or the differentiating servers one? [01:18] mpt, I need to review it === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad [01:18] please don't rub it in [01:18] mpt: blocked on kiko's review [01:18] kiko, maybe I can help matsubara/static with the poll fix? [01:19] carlos, great! (for some levels of great) [01:19] salgado, if necessary -- I think they will have fun figuring it out, and you can review a proposal and the fix later. [01:19] sure thing [01:19] so static, test first, then a proposal to fix, then a fix, then a review, then landing. easy. [01:19] SteveA, the differentiating servers should be only two or three lines (and one graphic), I just need to verify what the first of those lines is [01:20] kiko: ok [01:20] and finally [01:20] * Bug #73761 (Missing support for any-i386 and linux-i386), Critical, Fix Committed, Malcolm Cleaton [01:20] cprov, has that fix appeared in production? [01:20] Malone bug 73761 in soyuz "Missing support for any-i386 and linux-i386" [Critical,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/73761 - Assigned to Malcolm Cleaton (malcolmcleaton) [01:20] mpt: ok, I have an idea to make that one simple. please let's have a brief call about that after this meeting. [01:20] SteveA, ok, I'll try to stay awake :-) [01:20] Thus endeth the bug report report [01:20] thus thanketh the mpt mpt [01:20] thanks mpt! [01:21] * Production and staging (Stuart) [01:21] I think the important bit about mpt's bug is to differentiate if you are on the live database or not, not if you are on staging, edge, beta etc. [01:21] Staging environment is running as normal with no surprises. [01:21] Production rollout went smoothly last week, as did the cherry picks I was able too do. There is an outstanding cherry pick request from Carlos that I cannot merge in due to conflicts and test failures. So a reminder - if you need to make a fix that should be cherry picked it needs to merge cleanly into the production branch. [01:21] I think the easiest way to do this is to create your bugfix branch from the production branch which will ensure your work can be cherry picked as I can merge from your fix branch just as easily as from rocketfuel/devel. [01:21] edge.launchpad.net should be live tomorrow if the outstanding rt issue is dealt with and it doesn't reveal further problems. With luck it will be updated daily and we can look at shortening the window between landing and rollout in the new year. [01:21] Once all outstanding database patches have landed in rocketfuel/devel, I'll settle a date for the next rollout (or Robert will if I'm on leave). This should be in the new year as everyone is on leave and rolling out tomorrow would not be a great idea... [01:22] So any DB changes still to land? [01:22] related reading: http://venge.net/monotone/wiki/DaggyFixes [01:22] ddaa: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dag [01:23] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=daggy [01:23] related [01:23] :-) [01:23] all done stub ? [01:23] I'm done, and I'll take silence as 'all patches are landed' [01:23] that I know of [01:23] at least [01:23] great [01:23] * Launchpad 1.0 status reports [01:24] Which means we are back on db change freeze on head [01:24] == Random Things 1.0 == [01:24] PillarGotchis: My ImageWidget has been reviewed and I plan to land it today. After that it'd be just a matter of using that widget on products/projects/distros/sprints +edit pages [01:24] Rosetta 1.0 weekly report: [01:24] - opening edgy for translation: DONE [01:24] - firefox import/export: added couple more tests, put it unfinished on needs-review [01:24] - oo import/export: no progress this week [01:24] - translation review: needs to finish javascript usage and will be completely done. [01:24] - essential docs: no progress this week [01:24] - search via translation browsing: implemented, waiting for review from kiko [01:24] - checks not to upload wrong language PO file using "too many changes" check: not started [01:24] - translation page for projects: bug 73875 (not started) [01:24] Bug 73875 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/73875 is private [01:24] - ui fixes: DONE [01:25] supermirror-smart-server: spiv reported that bzr+http:// is operational on bazaar.launchpad.net (I did not personally check). [01:25] (cprov's connection is busted, he called me to say that) [01:25] no news about supermirror-smart-server write support [01:26] write support ddaa? so this is pull only? [01:26] yes [01:26] we're putting off write support for a while [01:26] ack [01:26] so that spiv can focus on mainline bzr smartserver enhancements [01:26] thanks [01:26] for their next release early jan [01:27] mpt sent a UI status report privately [01:27] * Sysadmin requests [01:27] rt #26309 [01:28] RT 26307 [01:28] briefly, what are these about? [01:28] stub: is that the edge one? [01:28] 26307 is about getting the new subdomains working for demo.launchpad.net [01:28] rt #26309 is sorting out the edge.launchpad.net apache redirects. currently edge is giving proxy errors. [01:28] stub, RTs for salgado to access staging, and something else [01:28] jamesh: that one is important to get done very early jan [01:28] #26289 - access to vostok [01:29] What is this salgado accessing staging request? And it would need to go to me first before the admins will act on that. [01:29] thanks thumper [01:30] stub, every once in a while I need to play with staging to get some info from shipit data and currently I have to ask kiko/matsubara to do that for me [01:30] yesterday I had to do lots of tests and so elmo gave me access to staging [01:31] asuka now has connections to the production database, so no non-essential accounts on there any more. I should have brought that up in a previous meeting when talking about the beta.launchpad.net work. [01:31] stub, SteveA: I'm not sure why everybody on the team can't issue queries against staging [01:31] stub, SteveA: ro queries that is. [01:31] kiko: because we're using the same machine for production systems now === kiko counts on fingers [01:31] kiko: because that gives the entire team access to all passwords in launchpad? [01:31] Accessing the database can be done from devpad if I give access. [01:31] stub, we kept the RT because you're the person responsible for db permissions [01:31] elmo, passwords? [01:31] kiko: person table [01:31] well [01:32] but passwords aren't stored cleartext [01:32] What people need to authenticate and are stored encypted in the db. [01:32] it gives access to the salts and hashes of all passwords [01:32] oh come on [01:32] I wouldn't want to give the impression on a public channel that we're storing passwords in plain text, elmo ;-) [01:32] these are launchpad developers here... [01:32] Password cracking would still give a significant number of hits - probably around 10-15% with our userbase. [01:32] BUT THESE ARE OUR DEVELOPERS [01:32] let's take this onto a different channel [01:32] it's not just passwords [01:32] it's also private bug reports [01:32] and continue with the scheduled meeting [01:32] what the hell are we talking about password crackers === thumper personally agrees with kiko [01:33] if we need to agree a policy here, I can do that best with a voice call to elmo [01:33] "Dear Vendor-Sec, we'd like to 20 launchpad developers to the list of people who can see embargoed bugs, kplsthx. Love, Canonical" [01:33] I'm sure that'll go down well [01:34] ... [01:34] every person with access opens up more attack points that hackers could abuse [01:34] * Fix-it Friday and Edge (FiF) [01:34] stub: please explain a bit about using edge tomorrow for people [01:34] erm.... it is a launchpad instance that will hopefully be running todays code? === stub wonders what else to say [01:35] edge is like staging but against the production db? [01:35] yep [01:35] salgado: pretty much, yes [01:35] edge is the future [01:35] before it happens [01:35] it is a beautiful and powerful thing [01:35] you will be able to share fixes and display UIs before they hit the whole world [01:35] and an experiment that hopefully will work the way we envisage. [01:35]