[12:14] irssistats does a couple more, and I'm interested in going further with it (expand monitoring capabilities), but if someone else is doing it, I should help out, instead of starting fresh (= [12:15] adding top 5 ubotu request, for example [12:15] *requests === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-157.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] sistpoty: ok, I added them both, hopefully correctly [12:23] thx ianm_ === tudenbart [n=willi@xdsl-213-196-226-79.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:33] nice... Mark Pilgrim is "recommending" checkinstall [12:33] I think I got a package to do tonight [12:34] theCore: where? [12:34] http://diveintomark.org/archives/2006/12/18/supertux-milestone-19 === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:36] theCore: seems reasonable, although I think it would be good to just distribute a .deb [12:37] sistpoty: awesome, thanks for sending the email [12:37] LaserJock: np ;) === sistpoty needs still to collect data for tomorrows classroom-session [12:38] ;) === tudenbart is now known as dothebart [12:40] imbrandon: you delivering unto me ebox or do I need to intall it myself [12:46] LaserJock: do you still use planner-el? [12:54] theCore: not a bunch, I just haven't been using emacs a whole lot [12:54] LaserJock: ah, well === xerxas [n=xerxas@mut38-5-82-246-190-19.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:54] theCore: I might get back into it a little bit in the future [12:55] LaserJock: then you should check out this mode http://staff.science.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/org/ [12:56] is it ok when a package sets the homedir of a system user to /var/run? [12:57] geser: seems like it, at least from looking at /etc/passwd [12:58] in my /etc/passwd I have only those with a subdir in /var/run === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] sistpoty: I'm not quite sure if the change to postinst in http://librarian.launchpad.net/5474087/pidentd_76127.diff is ok [01:00] geser: is it for a merge or a bug? === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-026-035.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] sistpoty: it's for bug 74968 [01:01] Malone bug 74968 in pidentd "Unable to write pid file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74968 [01:01] pidentd is started through inetd and has no init script [01:02] geser: without testing it actually, the fix *looks* fine for me [01:04] it looks fine to me also but I'm note quite sure with the homedir as /var/run is used by different programs === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:06] geser: /var/run is used by different programs. probably a cleaner fix would be to look through the source where the pid-file is stored and change this (or is it done via inetd?) [01:06] it is done via inetd [01:07] geser: the pid-thingy itself? or just started via inetd [01:08] sistpoty: thanks for dopi and klavaro reviews :) [01:09] mr_pouit: thanks for your contributions ;) [01:09] np :) [01:09] sarah! :) [01:10] hey ajmitch :) [01:10] sistpoty: I have one question about sru : how many acks are needed ? 3 or 5 or ... ? [01:10] mr_pouit: 3 (we are only 4 people ;) [01:10] hi Hobbsee [01:10] ok [01:10] geser: probably that would be a better fix: src/pidentd.h:#define PATH_PIDFILE "/var/run/identd/identd.pid === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-148-159.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] geser: (that's where the pid-file path is defined in pidentd, as far as I've seen it now) [01:11] yes, I wanted to also fix the remaining mentions of /var/run/identd [01:12] hey sistpoty === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] pidentd itself gets started through inetd [01:14] I only don't know if "adduser --quiet --system --home /var/run identd" is ok, especially the choice of the homedir [01:17] sistpoty: I thought there were 5 of you :) [01:18] geser: imo it shouldn't be a problem... maybe ajmitch can verfiy that ;) [01:18] ajmitch: member No. 5 is just the secret watching member ;) === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-10-83-27.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] sistpoty: oh I see :) === ajmitch can't verify anything... [01:21] ajmitch: the simple question geser wants to know if a daemon can have its homedir in /var/run itself? === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:21] afaik it can [01:21] lathiat@dargo:~$ cat /etc/passwd|grep /var/run|wc -l [01:21] 6 [01:21] hi Lathiat [01:21] howdy [01:22] (but as in directly /var/run, not in a subdir) [01:22] Lathiat: those are subdirs of /var/run and not /var/run itself [01:25] sistpoty: thanks. If nobody says don't do it I will use that patch to use /var/run instead of /var/run/identd === DBO [n=DBO@unaffiliated/dbo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:25] geser: do it ;) [01:26] ohh, /var/run itself [01:27] right, that seems a bit odd [01:28] plenty of programs put stuff directly in /var/run [01:31] Hobbsee: ping [01:31] theCore: heya [01:32] ajmitch: hrm, so they do [01:32] Hobbsee: I trying to package the new version of supertux [01:33] Hobbsee: but it seems to use Jam instead of Make [01:33] woo, supertux [01:33] how would I fix "W: solseek: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames solseek-panelapplet " ? [01:33] Hobbsee: Teg? [01:33] Hobbsee: What should I change in debian/rules to make it use Jam? $(MAKE)? [01:35] ryanakca: risk clone [01:35] no, I was wondering if you wanted to have a game... [01:35] theCore: i *dont* know - but there/s a new version? COOL! [01:35] but tony's server is down :( [01:36] ryanakca: usually yes, at the moment, no [01:36] Hobbsee: hehe [01:36] "Error while trying to connect to server 'yarusso.no-ip.org' at port 2000" "net_listen:: Connection refused" === freeflying|away [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:36] ok, then I will go for the Q&D way === Hobbsee looks at it [01:39] theCore: jam is a make replacement, just use jam instead of $(MAKE) [01:40] sistpoty: can I just do MAKE = jam? [01:40] or this is "illegal" [01:40] theCore: it's not illegal, but very very ugly to look at... [01:40] hehe [01:41] ok then [01:41] theCore: because it's not clear from the beginning, that it's not make that you call but jam instead ;) [01:41] s/$(MAKE)/jam/ [01:41] better :) [01:42] ryanakca: for solseek: it puts shared objects to /usr/lib... but is no library. [01:43] ryanakca: if these shared objects are used only by solseek, they should reside in /usr/lib/solseek instead [01:43] sistpoty: ok... and I fix that by... [01:43] ah, so patch it or something? [01:44] or add "mkdir /usr/lib/solseek && mv /usr/lib/solseek_panelapple.so /usr/lib/solseek/" to rules/postinst? [01:44] ryanakca: but it looks a little bit like these should really belong to somewhere else (for what is this solseek_panelapplet.so good for?) [01:44] ryanakca: postinst would be completely wrong ;) [01:44] sistpoty: no clue... lemme check [01:45] ryanakca: and if move it only in rules, I guess the shared objects aren't found any longer [01:45] and then run ldconfig afterwards? [01:46] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3824 [01:46] ryanakca: I'd rather make configure do that for you... I'm quite sure it's one parameter e.g. --libdir or s.th,. [01:46] -> Considering jam (>= 2.5) [01:46] W: Unable to locate package jam [01:46] bizarre [01:47] theCore: pbuilder up to date? [01:47] % apt-cache show jam | grep Version [01:47] Version: 2.5rel-1 [01:47] maybe ... [01:48] ahh, I only got the main component [01:48] theCore: poke me if you dont get that uploaded, and i'll look into it [01:48] Hobbsee: ok [01:56] yay, it's building [01:56] :) [01:58] error.... [01:58] libvorbis missing [01:58] not too bad [01:58] b-d on libvorbis-dev [01:59] try #2 === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:00] I really need a way to find dependencies that build, check, update, build, check ... [02:00] s/that/than [02:01] there was a Perl hack somewhere in the maint-guide [02:01] but the dependencies created were awful [02:02] yay, it passed configure! === theCore crosses his fingers [02:05] ok, almost [02:07] Hobbsee: do why debian/rules is copying the files manually (with cp) instead of using `make install'? [02:09] is there a way to remove empty dir from a package? [02:12] sebest: rmdir in debian/rules should do the trick === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] sistpoty: should i do this at the end of the install target? === malikeye [n=malikeye@rrcs-70-62-110-199.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === agent [n=agent@pool-71-120-187-51.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] sebest: after the directory is created, and before the debian package gets build... in short: yes === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:15] sistpoty: thx [02:15] np [02:16] sebest! [02:17] Lathiat ! :) [02:17] what's up? [02:18] theCore: i'm not sure. i believe it's deliberate though [02:18] ahh [02:18] I got it [02:18] (I hope) [02:19] sebest: nm, hows about you? [02:19] thanks for fixing that bug :> [02:19] i created a python module deb that is supposed to work with with python > 1.5 and was tested with many different versions, including 2.2, by the mod author - yet it only works with 2.5 and not 2.4 on my system.. what can be wrong? [02:19] Lathiat: it was really annoying :) [02:20] yeh, was :) [02:20] agent: what does it do with 2.4? spit out a backtrace? [02:20] i read that avahi will be enabled by default, great [02:20] sistpoty: i cannot import it [02:20] sebest: in feisty, yeh [02:20] woo hoo ;) [02:20] 0.6.16 is coming out shortlyish [02:21] sistpoty: my guess its a path problem [02:21] agent: probably... or it was built only for 2.5 and not for 2.4 [02:22] sistpoty: but usr/lib/python2.4 and usr/lib/python2.5 both have the exact same files installed... the rest is in /usr/share/python-support/ [02:22] sistpoty: could it still be the case that it was built only for 2.5? [02:22] agent: hm... then it *should* really work imo... [02:22] agent: are you build-depending on python-all-dev? [02:22] sistpoty: yes [02:23] sistpoty: should i try 2.4 only? [02:23] theCore: gotten supertux done yet? [02:23] Hobbsee: I am finishing it [02:23] sistpoty: then again, if i do 2.4 only it won't build the module for 2.5... hrm [02:23] Lathiat: do you know something about update-menus? [02:23] not a thing ;) [02:24] theCore: yay :) [02:24] sorry [02:24] agent: python-all-dev will draw in 2.4 and 2.5, so that shouldn't be the problem [02:24] sistpoty: yeah... i endedup installing 2.5 because of that :) [02:25] agent: and it does work wrt with 2.5? and not with 2.4 though the files are the same? [02:25] sistpoty: i just don't get it... all the files that really count are version number agnostic in terms of directory structure since its all in /usr/share/python-support [02:25] sistpoty: yes, that is correct [02:26] sistpoty! [02:26] LaserJock ? [02:26] you da man :-) [02:26] hehe [02:26] sistpoty: well, looking at the dir structure more closely, usr/lib/python2.*/ are populated exactly the same, but they are empty of files - they just have dirs.. all python files are in usr/share/python-support/ [02:26] agent: do you call dh_pythonsupport (or whatever that is called nowadays *g*) in debian/rules? === agent checks to make sure [02:27] is it possible to comment on REVU even if i'm not a reviewer? [02:28] does Feisty will have Python 2.5 by default? [02:28] sebest: just pm me your comment, I'll add it [02:28] sistpoty: dh_pysupport and dh_python are called [02:28] theCore: seems like it [02:28] \o/ [02:28] sistpoty: i wanted to comment on one of my upload [02:28] sebest: you can always do that ;) [02:29] (if you can get to your password) [02:29] sistpoty: that's what i'm missing :) [02:29] agent: have them in debian/rules? [02:29] sebest: does the recover password thingy work? [02:29] sistpoty: yes... i think without that nothing would build :) [02:30] Hobbsee: done [02:30] agent: well, haven't made through the python-transition myself, so I cannot tell this ;) [02:30] agent: sorry, I have no more clues w.o. looking at the package. can you put it somewhere? [02:31] sistpoty: that's what i was looking for, but there is non on the homepage, does it only appear on failed login? [02:31] theCore: yay :) [02:31] does it work? [02:31] sebest: yep... just enter anything in the password field ;) [02:31] Hobbsee: I am testing it [02:32] :) [02:32] sistpoty: i think i know whats wrong actually... crazy python install scripts look in control file which itself looks for python version somehow (dunno how) and somewhere there is a communication mistake where only 2.5 is shown... although i still do not understand how 2.4 dirs are created :/ [02:33] sistpoty: it calls pyversion -r [02:33] sistpoty: (the install script) to get python avail versions [02:34] agent: ah, I knew there was some magic with the pyhton-versions from control file involved, but as I said, I didn't dive too deep into it [02:34] can someone run pyversions -r in their terminal and tell me if it works or errors with "error parsing Python-Version attribute" [02:36] same here [02:37] sebest: do you want an answer via mail or right here? (/me == daemon@poleboy.de= === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-144-222-197.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:37] ah ok [02:37] sistpoty: i rewrote the package with debhelper [02:37] nice [02:38] but about the licence , yes you can tell me here === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:38] sebest: you should put a link to the gentoo bug report in debian/copyright. that way it's clear that upstream *meant* it to be gpl/artistic and only wrote otherwise in his script [02:39] Heya gang [02:40] sistpoty: oki, and about the "or perl artistic" ? [02:40] sebest: for the dual license, just write s.th. like: This software is dual licensed, either GPL or Artistic License, then the gpl snippet and some pointers to look at /usr/share/common-licenses/{GPL,Artistic} [02:40] sebest: it was artistic license, right? [02:40] yes right [02:41] ok, should be fine then [02:41] hi bddebian [02:41] Heya sistpoty [02:41] You're a REVU machine :) [02:42] I just try to catch up with you ;) [02:42] Heh, yeah right :-) [02:43] is there a shell command/script that will output to console what python versions are available? [02:43] python -V just outputs current default version, not all versions installed [02:44] agent: pyversions -s or pyversions -i === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-157.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty is out for a smoke [02:45] sistpoty: what is the difference? i don't want to create a package that works for me and then breaks when 2.6 or whatnot comes around [02:46] agent: it's supported vs. installed... so in theory pyversions -i would be the same to pyversions -s if you build-depend on python-all-dev [02:46] sistpoty: okay, thank you... i will use -i for installed "just in case" [02:46] hehe === dooglus [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:53] alright, I'm off [02:53] I should be back in a couple of days [02:53] cya LaserJock [02:53] if anybody needs something tell them to email [02:53] ok [02:54] ok, one last review, then I'm off to bed... [02:54] \o/ [02:54] bye LaserJock [02:54] anyone with a review request right now? [02:54] sistpoty: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3841 :) [02:55] sebest: ok [02:57] oh the fun... [02:57] I installed supertux in / [02:58] :D [02:58] it could be worse, at least the rules file did not have a "rm -rf /" line in it :D [02:59] hehe [02:59] err [02:59] maybe i should not give people ideas === bhale yawns [02:59] we got fakeroot for that :) === Hobbsee drops icecubes down bhale's back [03:00] sebest: uploaded, thx === bhale forgives Hobbsee [03:00] for now [03:00] hehe [03:00] sistpoty: thanx! [03:00] sistpoty: i have 2 other package, one small, and one bigger :) [03:00] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3809 [03:01] sebest: the smaller one right now, the bigger one tommorrow, ok? [03:01] yes, the smaller is not yet on the revu page [03:01] argl... ok then I'll review the bigger one now, and the smaller one tomorrow ;) === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === brainsik [n=brainsik@dsl092-001-132.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:05] sistpoty: the big one will also be reviewed by seb128, because it needs a specific configuration in smb.conf: enabling the "net usershare" functionnality [03:05] sebest: nautilus-share? [03:06] sistpoty: yes [03:07] sebest: the long description could be a little bit more verbose [03:09] sebest: are you upstream for it? [03:09] sistpoty: i am [03:09] ah,k [03:09] does anyone know why the echo command behaves differently under dash than bash? [03:09] sebest: then debian/copyright makes sense ;) [03:10] brainsik: I guess it's a builtin in bash? [03:10] brainsik: maybe on is built-in ? [03:10] hehe [03:11] sebest, sistpoty: that's true, but the docs for each say -e option does the same thing. :( [03:12] brainsik: i already notice a similar bug, the vmware scripts use bin/sh which is a link to dash on edgy, and the script fails on echo -e [03:12] sebest: exactly. in my case, one of the module-source packages in main wouldn't compile [03:13] to solve my issue i changed !bin/sh to !bin/bash, but i don't know if you can do the same [03:14] sebest: there shouldn't be an shlibs file in the package, since it's not a library and also the generated postinst with the ldconfig call is useless [03:14] that's not a library? [03:15] sebest: you don't link programs against it, do you? [03:15] sistpoty: right, it's just a nautilus extension [03:15] see ;) [03:15] .so [03:15] REVU day today? [03:15] sebest: i'm tempted to remove the dash package. this is the second time it's caused a package to fail for me. [03:15] freeflying|away: yep [03:15] FeistyFawn: and tomorrow and the day after tomorrow as well [03:16] freeflying|away: ^^ even [03:16] cool :) [03:17] sistpoty: what should i fix about the shlibs issue? === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:17] sistpoty: i don't understand where the postint/preinst scripts come from :) [03:17] sebest: you shouldn't call dh_makeshlibs... but I don't know how you can do this with cdbs :) [03:17] sebest: postinst/preinst also comes from dh_makeshlibs [03:18] sistpoty: it's hidden deep in cdbs? [03:18] sebest: deep as in crypted, yes [03:19] sistpoty: i see some env var in /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk [03:19] sebest: I look at it right now, but I haven't found a way to disable it yet :( === sistpoty dislikes cdbs *very much* [03:21] sistpoty: he :) [03:21] I fixed up pyspf-2.0.1 from the latest set of REVU comments. I believe it's ready for another look http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3843 - Thanks! [03:21] sistpoty: i don't know why i used that, it was some one year ago or so [03:21] sistpoty: the nice thing is that it's quite easy to use [03:22] sebest: unless the package is not common enough ;) [03:23] sebest: maybe this will give some hints: /usr/share/doc/cdbs/buildcore.png [03:25] anyway, it's much too late here, and I gotta get up early (for a lazy student that is) tomorrow [03:26] good night everyone [03:26] I lost my passwd of revu, :) [03:27] freeflying|away: just try to login and the magic "recover my pass" will appear :) [03:27] sebest: thanks === theCore is playing Supertux M3 :P [03:33] should I upload it? === chrisj [n=tortoise@81-86-52-52.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:35] theCore: shoot me the packages ;) [03:35] Lathiat: :) [03:36] i want to play it :P [03:36] haha [03:36] Lathiat: source or binary? [03:36] been lookign forward to that [03:36] source is good [03:36] then, I need to build it [03:36] :/ [03:36] build what? [03:37] the source package [03:37] right, thats not that hard is it? [03:37] no [03:37] are there any changes to the defaults in terms of paths that must be made when using distutils to install python modules? [03:37] Lathiat: it should take only a few minutes [03:38] fwaah, might take a whiel to upload, 30M :P [03:42] Lathiat: done [03:44] Lathiat: I uploaded it to REVU [03:45] ok, I think that's quite enough of me revamping the iPodVideoEncoding article... [03:45] any more and they might dispatch the MPAA to my front door :D === Lathiat laughs [03:46] Lathiat: how do I send it to you? [03:47] it's 40MB [03:47] i'll grab it off revu [03:47] ok [03:47] Lathiat: but you still need the original tarball [03:48] Lathiat: REVU only has the diff [03:55] <_Enchained> Hi all === fernando__ [n=fernando@189.0.136.189] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] Heya _Enchained [04:02] <_Enchained> bddebian: question : [04:02] <_Enchained> I have to package a soft who use a .sh script to install [04:02] <_Enchained> and in the script [04:02] <_Enchained> it use java -jar [04:02] <_Enchained> so I must put sun-java5-jre in BuildDep ?... [04:03] <_Enchained> or anything else ?... [04:06] I don't do java, sorry :( [04:06] <_Enchained> I'll ask tomorrow in classroom-fr ^^ [04:06] <_Enchained> go to sleep [04:07] <_Enchained> @ [04:08] What's the best way to tell why a package is in Debian but not in Ubuntu? [04:09] <_Enchained> bddebian: can you give me your opinion on http://most-enchained.com/ubuntu/medibuntu/ ? [04:09] <_Enchained> I made the site tonight [04:09] <_Enchained> (how are graphics etc...) [04:10] Looks nice [04:10] <_Enchained> somthing to correct ?... [04:11] Not that I can see [04:12] <_Enchained> ok thanks [04:12] <_Enchained> I go === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-126-224.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:12] <_Enchained> (to bed) [04:12] Gnight [04:15] Gah, why is there no year on REVU? [04:17] probably because we never expected things to get that stale === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:24] ajmitch: Aye :-) [04:24] Heya LaserJock [04:30] What freakin' order are packages in on REVU? [04:33] I think I will participate to the Summer of Code this year. My project would certainly be writing a better REVU [04:33] something like Guido's Mondrian would be cool [04:35] bddebian: I think they are by comments, and the perhaps time === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] imbrandon: going to ebox myself [04:39] Burgundavia: koke ebox? [04:39] http://ebox-platform.com/installation-guide [04:39] hmm, not liking feisty, however [04:41] Heya Burgundavia [04:41] hey bddebian [04:44] siretart: could remove supertux from /incoming ? [04:45] I need to upload the original source [04:46] ajmitch: ping [04:47] Hmm, obviously REVU doesn't update itself WRT new packages either :-( [04:54] hi [04:54] What do we do about updates to packages that were already brought into the archives? Do we still need two acks? [04:54] Heya chillywilly [04:55] theCore: yes? [04:55] hi === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Bye!"] === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-157.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ianm_ [n=yella@201.250.4.150] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === bronson_ [n=bronson@adsl-75-36-149-233.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] Gnight gang [06:36] night bddebian === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=user@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PuMpErNiCkLe [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F72EFA.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:37] good morning [07:39] hi daniel [07:40] hey Andrew [07:45] hmm, checkinstall build failed on amd64 [07:45] installwatch.c: In function 'fopen64': [07:45] installwatch.c:3267: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size [07:45] make[2] : *** [installwatch.o] Error 1 [07:46] is that common? [07:47] ... it is checkinstall, so it's cursed. [07:49] tepsipakki: does it build with -Wall ? [07:51] moins [07:52] FINALY got some form of linux on here [07:52] this thing is nice but a pita === Sp4rKy [n=maxenced@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:52] gig nic isnt detected , no accelerated video :( [07:52] i hate new computers [07:53] :-/ [07:53] no tv card workie' [07:53] man === imbrandon gets to work === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:55] dholbach: no idea.. I have no amd64 machine to test [07:55] or you mean in general [07:56] in general - it's stopping the build after a warning only [08:01] oh [08:02] I'll try when I get to work === reggaemanu__ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-151-249.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:13] ok ajmitch and other gurus, i'm buying a vid card tonight ( PCI-e ) as cheap as possible, ATI or NV ? [08:14] nv, duh? [08:14] hrm but the free ATI drivers do 3d :) === imbrandon contemplates === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:15] here is the one i was thinking about getting, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814141035 [08:15] i just need something better than this onboard video that only does 1024x768 even in windows [08:15] lol === brainsik [n=brainsik@dsl092-001-132.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:27] wget http://voyager.imbrandon.com/misc/debootstrap/debootstrap-0.3.3.1ubuntu1-2.noarch.rpm [08:27] err [08:27] haha [08:28] heya nixternal [08:28] i take it yakuake wasn't hilighted :) [08:28] howdy [08:28] nice domain :) [08:28] why thank you ;) [08:28] $22 for the whole year [08:28] btw i offered you the same deal many many moons ago :) but no biggie [08:28] hehe any dreamhost customer can do it [08:28] ya, i finally said the hell with it and did it [08:28] hehe [08:29] only cuz i had like $29 in my stale paypal account [08:29] yea i finaly moved most everyting off dreamhost anyhow onto my new box [08:29] except seveas.imbrandon.com is the only thing left on the dreamhost box [08:29] pay for a full year ? [08:29] yup [08:29] nice [08:30] your on mtdew ? [08:30] hehe ya [08:30] omg you have to give me a shell hahaha [08:30] the only server i don't have an account on [08:30] err..didn't have an account on [08:30] haha [08:30] i have like nixternal-nixternal20 over there [08:39] dholbach: about checkinstall.. it already uses -Wall [08:40] tepsipakki: yes, that's why it fails to build [08:40] (because of the warning) [08:41] heya dholbach [08:41] hey imbrandon [08:43] hmm, seems that I didn't paste the error: [08:43] installwatch.c: At top level: [08:43] installwatch.c:2694: error: conflicting types for 'readlink' [08:43] /usr/include/unistd.h:775: error: previous declaration of 'readlink' was here === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:50] I hope you all have seen the universe manual merges too! :-) [08:52] dholbach, yup, i'm working on merges all day today === apokryphos [n=francis@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:53] nice :) [08:53] imbrandon: you make me feel like a real slacker [08:54] hahah i've been slacking the last few days [08:54] so its time to make up [08:54] even if i have no useable x [08:54] hehe [09:01] what does the "manual" mean, that there is no REPORT and stuff available? [09:01] umm, no [09:01] only tried pax-utils, which didn't [09:05] ah, I got it, maybe... so the version in ubuntu is not based on any version in debian, right? [09:06] tepsipakki, basicly , yes [09:07] little more to it than that sometimes, but thats the jest of it [09:07] ok, I can look at some of them [09:07] sometimes they are based on the same verions just packed diffrently ( that happens when its in ubuntu first etc at times ) [09:07] etc [09:08] but it's ok to keep the delta as low as possible? [09:08] ie. base it on the debian-version [09:08] amarok is a good ( bad? ) example of that in ubuntu and debian, they are two totaly diffrent animals [09:08] but both 1.4.4 [09:08] based [09:08] heh [09:09] but yea, imho keep the delta as small as possible if any at all [09:09] i dunno if thats official, but thats the rule of thumb i try to follow [09:10] dholbach could probably give you the "official" answer [09:10] :) [09:10] "manual" seems to also mean that grab-merge.sh doesn't work :) [09:10] possibly [09:10] you have to merge manually === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:11] I'll start at the bottom, xfce4-xmms-plugin first [09:12] s/at/from/ === kallewoof [n=zwoc@sundbyberg4.29.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:31] xfce4-xmms-plugin can be synced, filing a sync-request [09:32] wonder why it was packaged for ubuntu in the first place, since there was a debian version available [09:38] tepsipakki: Our version predates the Debian one by three weeks. :-) [09:38] compare http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/x/xfce4-xmms-plugin/xfce4-xmms-plugin_0.4.0-0ubuntu1/changelog with http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xfce4-xmms-plugin/xfce4-xmms-plugin_0.4.0-2/changelog [09:39] not true, 0.3.1-1 was packaged Mon 8 Aug 2005 :) [09:39] why not base the newer version on that [09:39] but anyway [09:39] tepsipakki: Sure, but we don't always wait for Debian to package new upstream versions. [09:40] of course not, but that wasn't the point :) [09:40] tepsipakki: Ok. I've been awake for 26 hours (working the 25 of them) so I'm not thinking entirely straight right now. [09:41] and all the while you guys have been having fun merging things for Ubuntu.. gah... [09:41] shawarma: hehe, take it easy then :) [09:42] and get some sleep :) === jinty [n=jinty@196.207.32.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:49] tepsipakki: Not quite yet. Major deadline in 2 hours and 10 minutes. Work, work, work. [09:49] 2 hours, 10 minutes and 32 seconds, actually. === cormil_ [n=cormil@213.215.131.221] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:53] heh, pity you :) [09:54] shawarma: do you mind if I look at rawstudio? [09:56] tepsipakki: Not at all. [09:56] anyone in here who will come to the 23rd Chaos Communication Congress next week? [09:56] tepsipakki: I'm quite certain it's just a sync. [09:57] we'll see [09:57] maybe yes, tepache was a sync-candidate as well [09:58] hrmh, I hate it when config.guess is in the diff [10:04] shawarma: actually the ubuntu version has a patch from upstream, I'll keep that [10:06] hi === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] tepsipakki: Ah, yes, I suppose they haven't gotten round to releasing that. Good catch. :-) === Seeker` [n=Seeker@84-12-167-90.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PounK [n=pounk@ip216-239-87-197.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-64-177.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=alessand@host52-173-static.120-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:52] <\sh> moins [10:59] hey mr \sh. I thought you are on holiday :) [11:06] <\sh> yepp last day at work ;) [11:07] <\sh> dholbach: libgoffice...I can only see libgoffice-0-x in feisty...what about libgoffice-1-x? :) [11:07] ask upstream [11:07] they went from .so.1 to .so.0 [11:08] <\sh> argl...and gnome-chemistry-utils needs libgoffice-1-x *grmpf* [11:08] then you need to do a one-character change in debian/control, no? [11:08] \sh: that's a well-known problem, there are people working on that [11:08] ajmitch: who's working on what? [11:08] the science team [11:09] <\sh> dholbach: some more changes went into the debian package [11:09] gnome-chemistry-utils [11:09] ask laserjock or fujitsu or azeem [11:09] \sh: which changes in which package? [11:09] <\sh> dholbach: gnome-chemistry-utils [11:09] ah, well then it's a one-character change on top of those changes :) [11:10] <\sh> libgchemutils became libgcu [11:10] <\sh> and our changes we can drop completly...and adjusting the debian package...and merging the changelog [11:12] rawstudio done === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:13] the problem with gnome-chemistry-utils is that it needs the stable libgoffice, while Ubuntu has been shiping unstable ones so far, AFAICT [11:14] but LaserJock had a deeper look at it than I, and is working on it together with upstream [11:15] azeem: the API changes between the two are minor (goffice-1 and goffice-0) [11:15] dholbach: ok [11:15] <\sh> let's have a look... [11:15] new API has been added, but only very very few have changed [11:15] I'm not convinced that g-c-u should use goffice in the first place, but that's a different story === _Enchained [n=cyrille@88.166.169.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu === engla [n=ulrik@kr-lun-116-144-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob1 [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.14] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:58] om, omins done [11:59] riddell: ping? === pirast [n=martin@p508B2568.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser [n=michael@dialin107036.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:12] riddell: nevermind, was going to ask about plotdrop but it is sync-able and a request filed === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-25b0cd9c5fb407dd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [n=Zhengpen@221.220.237.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=silk@LAubervilliers-151-12-73-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === daya [n=daya@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.120.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tudenbart [n=willi@xdsl-213-196-254-51.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] raphink, hi === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-5e29d61e62243ad6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tudenbart is now known as dothebart [12:49] giskard: ping === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:49] bah, not here === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:10] zul: ping [01:10] zul: gmail-notify seems to be a sync candidate [01:11] debian has all the patches that we do === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] anyone in here know french? === bhale blames seb128 [01:15] or dholbach! === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] hahaha [01:17] moin === Hobbsee_ blames dholbach too [01:17] hobbsee: kguitar seems as a sync candidate, do you agree? === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:18] tepsipakki: what are the versions of each? [01:18] tepsipakki: that's on manual, isnt it? [01:18] gnomefreak: yes [01:18] yes [01:19] gpocentek: i think i got it [01:19] ty though gpocentek [01:19] hobbsee_: we have 0.5-0ubuntu4, debian has 0.5-2 [01:19] np :) [01:19] tepsipakki: gotta wait till 0.6* to sync it [01:19] tepsipakki: just leave that [01:19] ok [01:19] tepsipakki: differening base tarballs [01:19] -en [01:20] oh [01:20] (which is why it's a manual merge) === coyctecm [n=niko@a84-231-77-150.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:21] That can be fixed. [01:21] Well. Worked around. :-) [01:22] hmm, I've now done 11 merge/sync-requests from the manual-queue.. hope that it wasn't all wasted :) [01:22] StevenK: i know it can, but i didnt see anything specifically worth grabbing from debian, during edgy development [01:23] <\sh> Hobbsee: taking kdbg [01:23] Which makes it easier to ignore. [01:23] \sh: go for it [01:23] Fair enough. === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] \sh: there's something fishy @that, iirc - it may not build, or the base tarballs may differ as well === tepsipakki goes to have lunch -> [01:26] <\sh> Hobbsee: new upstream version [01:26] <\sh> Hobbsee: missing some build-deps (autoconf/automake) [01:26] \sh: way cool, should be fine then [01:28] <\sh> Hobbsee:jepp easy one ;) [01:28] \sh: :) [01:28] \sh: not a sync, presumably? [01:28] <\sh> nope [01:29] <\sh> dh_iconcache was your change...and now some build-deps are missing on ubuntu [01:29] ah, and it's using debhelper, not cdbs [01:29] <\sh> jep === Hobbsee nods === jabra_ [n=jabra@utopia.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=PriceChi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] to update, or not to update....that is the question... [01:36] <\sh> what? [01:37] my feisty [01:37] i thought i heard reports of it not booting === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] Hobbsee: it works again for me now [01:39] <\sh> Hobbsee: gnucash taken ;) [01:40] \sh: go for it. it's a gnome app [01:40] I deliberately didn't merge jokosher. [01:40] dholbach: right [01:40] just fyi - it doesn't work with either the debian's gstreamer nor ours === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-72-46.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nepa [n=nepa@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chuck_ [n=bob@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:59] dholbach: whoops, didn't notice the change in gst-plugins-farsight.. glad it didn't yet get sync'ed [02:01] no problem [02:01] it's not terribly important, but it makes the snippet in debian/rules work [02:02] in CDBS, you can use :: [02:02] or /:: [02:02] they used /:: [02:02] which doesn't work [02:03] tepsipakki, that plotdrop sync is invalid. The upstream tarballs differ. [02:03] so the removal of the *.la files didn't work [02:04] fujitsu: why do they differ? [02:04] 'cause that's the way the world works. Blame LaserJock :P [02:04] ok, I'll have another look [02:04] tepsipakki: sometimes it's because of generating a .tar.gz from a .tar.bz2 (if the timestamp differs, the md5sum differs) [02:05] tepsipakki: sometimes it's because a maintainer thinks that certain files shouldn't be shipped (which mostly is indicated by -dfsg.orig.tar.gz to indicate license problems) [02:05] tepsipakki, don't bother. There's no action that can be taken on plotdrop at this time, and upstream is dead. === jrib [n=jasonr@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:05] same for tarballs generated from svn/cvs/... [02:06] hmm, I guess hugin is a similar case [02:06] it had CVS-stuff in the ubuntu tarball [02:09] Fujitsu: do you refer to debian or the real upstream being dead? there seems to be 0.51 available === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === coyctecm_ [n=niko@a84-231-77-150.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=alessand@host52-173-static.120-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] so if the tarballs differ, the package can't be synced? [02:25] I guess syncing doesn't include copying the same orig.tar.gz again :) [02:25] so I'll reject the requests [02:27] tepsipakki: correct [02:27] I'm slowly getting the hang of it [02:32] :) === kallewoof [n=zwoc@sundbyberg4.29.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin [n=Lutin@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slavik [n=slavik@146.245.187.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:55] is there any chance for mono-1.2 package for dapper? [03:03] hi there [03:03] hi [03:03] is there any chance for mono-1.2 package for dapper? === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@moodiegate.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando__ [n=fernando@189.0.156.106] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-151-249.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] Heya gang === bhale [n=bhale@brandonhale.us] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Gervystar [n=alessand@host52-173-static.120-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:43] bddebian: hi! [03:44] Hello cypher1 === MidMark [n=marco@host-84-221-102-91.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:46] hi, if I want to sponsor a bug to be added in amule -> feisty which motu I've to add? [03:47] I mean which motu I've to subscribe to the bug? === wbadger [n=wbadger@bzq-82-81-29-68.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] hello people, can someone please tell me what ubuntu means in package names? [03:49] 1ubuntu2 means: 1 version taken from debian, 2 version specific to ubuntu, means-> 2nd patched version from original source v1 [03:51] MidMark: Just subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors [03:52] so openoffice.org 2.0.4-0ubuntu4 for example would mean it's still openoffice v2.0.4-0 and had 4 paches applied to it by ubuntu guys? [03:53] bddebian: thx [03:53] wbadger: it's not taken from debian, is all from ubuntu, and there are 4 patches [03:53] 1 patch can have multiple patches of course [03:54] you mean 1 patch can have multiple fixes? [03:54] substitute patch with updates.... 4 updates [03:55] one updates can have multiple patches [03:55] MidMark, ok thank you :) === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] will there be a mono-1.2 package for dapper? === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zoydberg [n=alex@cpc3-broo2-0-0-cust728.renf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Bye!"] === sistpoty|uni [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] hi folks [04:20] hey sistpoty|uni [04:20] sistpoty|uni: !!! [04:20] hi gpocentek and bddebian === freeflying_ [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] <\sh> phew... [04:27] <\sh> many syncs, many merges [04:28] Aye :-( [04:28] <\sh> I'm ready for glhwein ;) [04:28] Heya \sh [04:28] <\sh> hey bddebian === fowlduck [n=nate@205.213.122.111] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:31] hi \sh === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:36] Damn, who's requesting all the syncs? :) [04:36] I am? [04:36] tepsipakki: All the xfonts ones? [04:36] oh.. no [04:36] but from the manual-queue [04:37] I've double-checked their validity === Pricey [n=PriceChi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] <\sh> me [04:37] Have you built them? Alot of times the manual syncs are due to md5sum problems because our orig.tar.gz isn't the same as Debians [04:37] more syncs == less merges in the future :) [04:37] \sh: Ah :-) [04:37] sistpoty|uni: No, it's good, I was just curious [04:37] sync: xfce4-xmms-plugin, tepache, pax-utils, omins, keytouch-editor, gmorgan, gmail-notify, beaglefs [04:38] <\sh> who else...coming on the last day of work ;) [04:38] merge: rawstudio, om [04:38] \sh: ;-) [04:38] rejected for now: hugin, plotdrop [04:38] damn... now \sh will spam mail spam the changes list again :P [04:38] <\sh> my 4 core machine needs something to do ;) === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:38] hehe === Spec-[x] [n=dragonco@charon.devis.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:40] <\sh> sistpoty|uni: a long time ago that was right...now the young ones have to work more then me ;) [04:40] it's been quiet since yesterday ;) === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic_ [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jabra_ is now known as jabra === fowlduck [n=nate@205.213.122.111] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pricey [n=PriceChi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:19] <\sh> ok..off from work and now it's pub time with my colleagues [05:19] <\sh> bye [05:23] have fun \sh_away [05:23] Later \sh_away === PriceChild_ [n=PriceChi@host86-138-223-119.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:25] imbrandon: ping [05:26] imbrandon: your xchat-gnome -0ubuntu2 upload didn't fix the tab char, it's still present and puking pbuilder [05:26] :) === mr_pouit [n=silk@LAubervilliers-151-12-73-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.96.32.216] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kallewoof [n=zwoc@sundbyberg4.29.cust.blixtvik.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@219.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] jdong, ok i'll fix it here in a few [05:54] ( or try to again ) [05:54] i have a meeting in 20 minutes [05:54] i'll do it after that [05:56] q. i would like to generate a new version in the .../debian/changes file, is there any tools to do that ? [05:57] .../debian/changelog i meant [05:57] zorglu_: dch [05:57] thanks [05:59] azeem: dch is not installed on my box, apt-cache search doesnt seems to find it either, any suggestion on the package name containing dch ? [05:59] packages.ubuntu.com has a search facility for that, at the bottom [06:00] ok apparently it does a apt-cache search :) [06:00] i will google some more :) [06:01] ok the pacakge name was 'devscripts' [06:02] it works for me === ailean [n=ailean@82-40-205-105.stb.ubr07.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:12] Hi, I need a 2nd advocate. Can someone take a look, please: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3765 === pirast [n=martin@p508B2568.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:22] Czessi: sorry, cannot do reviews while at uni, but I'll look at it once I'm back at home (probable in 2-3 hours) [06:22] Czessi: could you ping me then again? (I might forget otherwise *g*) [06:23] Czessi: I'll try to take a look in a couple of minutes as well [06:23] sistpoty|uni: Thanks. I must go to work in 2,5h [06:23] Czessi: d'oh. the +1 is from me :( [06:24] bddebian: great, thanks [06:25] q. i got several package all creating/using the same configuration directory with the main config file in it, i would like to copy a default configuration at installation to save the time to the user, how can i fix the conflict of several package creating the same dir and default config file ? [06:26] what is the usual behaviour to follow in this case [06:27] zorglu_: hm... maybe make one package that contains the configuration, on which the other packages need to depend on (which don't have the configuration) [06:27] hmm is there another possibility ?:) [06:28] i mean i find that overkill, from my shallow experience in the packaging field :) [06:28] zorglu_: well, there should be other possibilities as well... let me think === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:29] hmm what about copying the default conf if and only if the config file is not already there ? [06:29] is that ok ? [06:30] zorglu_: sounds ok [06:30] ok cool :) [06:30] now i just have to find out how to do that :) [06:30] zorglu_: but you could run in trouble, if you need to update the default configuration [06:31] hmm i see [06:31] zorglu_: because you'd need to fiddle out, if an admin modified the config or not [06:31] zorglu_: the resolution would be pretty trivial though: if modified then don't do anything ;) [06:31] hehe :) [06:32] zorglu_: another possibility was to abuse the alternatives system for that: each package could ship the config in a location unique to the package, and the alternatives system could take over which one to use [06:33] (but that's not really an improvement over a separate config-package imo) [06:33] i agree :) [06:33] ok thanks for the info :) [06:33] np === sistpoty|uni continues hacking === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:48] Czessi: OK, advocated, though I'm not sure what we do about klear in NEW [06:50] bddebian: I think it already my package in NEW (see December 11 12:10 and December 12 09:47 at the revu page) [06:50] Czessi: Aye, but we should upload the newer version :-) [06:57] bddebian: hmm, can't you delete the klear in NEW or is it newer than my package? [06:57] I can't delete it :) [07:01] bddebian: who can do that? [07:01] Only archive admins I assume === _DvP_ [n=David@86.73.129.135] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-157.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:09] ftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming has been wiped? [07:10] that's interesting === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mikhail^ [n=dean@124.106.240.177] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty|uni heads home [07:23] cya later === fowlduck [n=nate@205.213.122.111] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon12331.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:54] how do I version packages that are "beta" release? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:54] use ~ [07:54] 1.0~beta3-0ubuntu1 === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-72-46.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nolimitsoya [n=nolimits@176.139.216.81.static.vhe.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:56] ah ok [07:56] thx [07:56] np [07:57] I wonder if I should upload it to REVU or to the archive [07:57] I'll check it out first [07:57] (the previous version is in universe) [07:58] archive [07:58] of course debian highly diverge from my original package [07:58] *sigh* [07:58] fun [07:58] it is debian === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:06] If I was in the middle of packaging one version of an application and another gets released (and I'd like to package this new version instead), should I just ask a MOTU to archive the current on revu and upload the new? === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:10] somerville32: you can reupload, it will replace the old version === keescook [n=kees@ubuntu/member/keescook] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:10] mr_puit: k [08:12] crimsun_: my fear in uploading to the archive is that it might be less stable than 0.6.1 === keescook [n=kees@ubuntu/member/keescook] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon12331.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === redguy [n=mati@unaffiliated/redguy] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:27] how often is the new queue processed? [08:28] for revu or the archive ? [08:28] mr_pouit: archive [08:29] I don't know for the archive :/ [08:30] mr_pouit: ok, is this the right channel to ask? [08:31] yes, maybe you can ask on #ubuntu-devel [08:31] *also [08:31] q. im porting a init.d script from fedora and it uses 'chkconfig', is there an equivalent for ubuntu ? i looked at the existing scripts and none seems to use chkconfig [08:33] or maybe a place where i could learn how to write a init.d script suitable for ubuntu [08:33] zorglu_: http://wiki.debian.org/chkconfig ? [08:34] ah ok, so chkconfig is fully supported under ubuntu ? [08:34] zorglu_: no, it gives chkconfig/update-rc.d equivalences [08:34] mr_pouit: i dunno why but i was under the impression it was a fedora specific [08:34] ah ok [08:34] I think you're right, it is fedora specific ^^ [08:34] reading then :) === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-046-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:38] morning [08:38] hello ajmitch [08:38] afternoon [08:40] mr_pouit: there is a similar thing apparently. using the tag ### BEGIN INIT INFO. i will use /etc/init.d/skeleton as basis :) [08:41] ok :) === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gandalfn [n=gandalfn@i02m-87-89-253-156.d4.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:00] howdy motus [09:00] it's the revu time i see === Lure_ [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] i'd like to ask for alsa-firmware and alsa-tools NOT to be uploaded [09:01] but i'd love for asoundconf-gtk to be done === _Enchained [n=cyrille@88.166.169.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:10] ;? [09:14] alsa-firmware has licence issuse atm [09:14] alsa-tools wants the new alsa-firmware for the alsa-firmware-loaders to work properly [09:14] it's only built to supply a warning if it finds old firmwares [09:14] people can ignore the warning [09:14] i'd prefer it if alsa-firmware was available [09:15] (as it's not in the archives now) === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-64-177.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === toma_ [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ooh,] === guibis [n=guibis@bza14.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=silk@LAubervilliers-151-12-73-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@205.213.122.111] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-19-177.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:55] if anybody would like to try exaile, it needs syncing with debian.. (jono reviewed it at http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=846 ) [09:56] bug 76793 === Ubug2 [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:57] bug 76793 [09:57] maybe ubugtu will come alive later [09:57] oh well [09:58] Malone bug 76793 in Ubuntu "please sync exaile 0.2.6+debian-2 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/76793 [09:58] looks like the ivman merge was not done [09:58] did anyone use my debdiff? [09:59] exaile is already sitting in NEW afaik [09:59] i was triaging the bug, and though the place to come for that bug was here [09:59] how can I check what's coming into NEW ? === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:02] hi folks [10:02] wb sistpoty [10:02] hi bddebian [10:02] common packaging mistake session in #ubuntu-classroom now ;) === Ubug2 [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch goes & watches [10:03] ash211: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+queue [10:03] thanks [10:03] sistpoty: Are you trying to tell me something? ;) [10:04] hehe [10:04] well, only that everyone can help out, just like yesterday ;) === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:05] Hmm, I don't see exaile on there though ash211 [10:05] yeah, I wasn't seeing it either [10:05] well, if you're looking for a bug to close, there's one! [10:07] joejaxx: what the bug # for the ivman merge? [10:07] there is not a bug written for it === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:08] joejaxx: file a bug, attach the debdiff, subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === predius [n=predius@63.99.9.135] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apokryphos [n=francis@84.13.229.243] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seeker` [n=Seeker@84-12-167-90.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:55] arg... the wiki hates me :( [10:56] Doh :-( [10:56] hate it back [10:56] heh [10:56] It says I cannot rename my wrongly placed page, because the target page exists already... but if I click on the target page, it says that it doesn't exit... *clueless* [10:57] sistpoty: if you just deleted a page, it take a bit for the page to actually be deleted from the db, it seems [10:58] Burgwork: nope, afaict I didn't delete a page (maybe I accidently didn't create a page as in create but no more action and create the wrong one instead) === Ingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-7728.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty is patient with the wiki === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:06] Czessi_away: cjwatson just removed klear from the new queue... so we can upload the newer version [11:06] bddebian: do you want to upload, or shall I? [11:07] rtorrent crashes everytime I try to open torrent [11:07] ubuntu edgy [11:07] bug report [11:07] coyctecm_: then please file a bug at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/rtorrent [11:07] sure [11:07] coyctecm_: and state which version you are using ;) [11:08] now I'm using newiest stable [11:08] directly from rtorrent site [11:08] coyctecm_: so you didn't install it via apt-get? === CarlFK [n=carl@c-24-13-53-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [11:09] coyctecm_: I guess you should file a bug in the rtorrent bug tracker then... [11:09] first I did install with apt-get, that version crashes, then I compiled it my self [11:10] I'll file a bug [11:10] coyctecm_: we can handle bugs for the version in the archive... but we cannot handle ones for self-compiled software (because we have too many bugs ourselves already :(() [11:12] sure. version from ubuntu edgy universe repos is the version which crashes [11:12] :) [11:12] not the newer whch I compiled my self [11:12] which [11:12] coyctecm_: ah :) [11:13] i so tired that my english must be horrible :D [11:13] hehe, I guess mine isn't really better ;) === sistpoty is afk for a few minutes === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:19] now it's reported. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/rtorrent/+bug/76812 [11:19] Malone bug 76812 in rtorrent "rtorrent crashes when opening torrent..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [11:20] i'm going to sleep --> === PriceChild [n=PriceChi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:22] sistpoty: Go for it, you're DA MAN :-) === theCore_ [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore_ [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === pirast [n=martin@p508B2568.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:27] how can i run two pbuilders; an edgy one and a feisty one and how can I select which one I want to use then? [11:28] and how can I get the edgy source of a program although i am running feisty? [11:29] pirast: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#head-1be378ab60d3bab23eefabce49cf7df927d46f81 === CarlFK [n=carl@c-24-13-53-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:30] rmjb, thanks.. what's about apt-get source of different releases? === gandalfn [n=gandalfn@i02m-87-89-253-156.d4.club-internet.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [11:30] umm... I'm not sure, maybe a chroot? or editing sources.list? [11:30] you can add more deb-src lines. [11:31] k thanks [11:32] rmjb: apt-get source doesn't take -t or /distro, unfortunately [11:32] rmjb: so you're probably gonna want to bookmark / searchmark packages.ubuntu.com [11:32] and use dget to fetch the .dsc links :( [11:32] you can use apt-get source package=version [11:32] fdoving: that ain't exactly easy either :D [11:32] it does take -t [11:32] liar. [11:32] still involves having a madison-lite database of packages :) [11:32] it takes -t but doesn't work [11:32] apt-get -t source bash [11:33] works here. [11:33] no, as in [11:33] your apt sucks then :) [11:33] apt-get source bash -t dapper [11:33] you'll have to add the -t before 'source' [11:33] apt-get -t dapper source bash [11:33] works for me. [11:33] really? [11:33] I do it this way. === jdong tries [11:33] I have deb-src lines for dapper, edgy and feisty on one box. [11:34] jdong: you have the additional entries in your sources.list? [11:34] what fdoving saod [11:34] said [11:34] back when I tried it, yes [11:34] I'm adding it back and attempting again [11:35] wow, it works now [11:35] I _SWEAR_ that back in Dapper when I tried this last, it didn't work! [11:35] else I wouldn't have my silly Sources.gz grokking scripts === fdoving checks a dapper box. [11:36] :) [11:36] :) [11:36] question, need help actually, I have a simple package for which I was advised to split into a binary, library and lib-dev package [11:37] before it was all just one binary with everything [11:37] and I have that one installed and working now === fdoving thinks jdong got the order of the switches and the commands wrong the last time. [11:37] .. it works on dapper too. [11:37] fdoving: that might be true === agent [n=agent@pool-71-120-187-51.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:38] the last time I used -t for real (mixing testing / unstable), install didn't care where the -t went [11:38] rmjb: what's your question? [11:38] I didn't know that -t had to go first [11:38] in the bin-only package I'm seeing files that are not showing up when I have the split pacakge set up, i.e. with multiple binaries in control and multiple .install files [11:38] why would files be generated in one instance but not the other? === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-130.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:39] rmjb: if the three .install files are the same as the one .install file for the binary-only package, it really *should* be identical [11:39] sistpoty: this is the bin-only package that needs to be split: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3446 [11:39] I didn't have an .install file with the bin-only package [11:40] the files in question are under /usr/share/doc/ though... are those special files? [11:40] rmjb: did you change the docs file? [11:41] I removed it as recommended by dholbach [11:41] in the REVU [11:41] does REVU is working? [11:42] rmjb: what new files are there now? [11:42] theCore: ? === sistpoty confused *g* [11:43] sistpoty: the only changes I've made to the package since dholbach's feedback are removing debian/docs adding two more binary pacakge entries to debian/control and creating 3 .install files [11:43] rmjb: but what files do you see now, which haven't been there before? [11:43] rmjb: AUTHORS? [11:44] sistpoty: I uploaded my package about 5 or 6 hours ago, but my package doesn't seem to be processed yet [11:44] sistpoty: ftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming/ [11:44] theCore: I'll take a look [11:45] are there any tools to extract debdiffs from bugreports? [11:45] sistpoty: it's the supertux package [11:45] geser: what do you mean with "extract debdiffs"? [11:45] sistpoty: well, the source package is called pmplib, the bin-only package is easypmp, these are some files that exist in the bin-only package: [11:45] /usr/share/doc/pmplib/COPYING.gz [11:45] /usr/share/doc/pmplib/README.gz [11:45] /usr/share/doc/pmplib/ChangeLog [11:45] /usr/share/doc/pmplib/AUTHORS [11:45] /usr/share/doc/pmplib/INSTALL.gz [11:45] sistpoty: see bug 76716 [11:45] /usr/share/doc/easypmp [11:45] Malone bug 76716 in om "Please sponsor om upload" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/76716 [11:45] /usr/share/doc/easypmp/changelog.gz [11:45] /usr/share/doc/easypmp/copyright [11:45] /usr/share/doc/easypmp/README.gz [11:45] /usr/share/doc/easypmp/changelog.Debian.gz [11:46] rmjb: some are special, yes ;) [11:46] sistpoty: after the split /usr/share/doc/easypmp is not being created it seems [11:47] geser: you can append s.th. like /comment/ to display the comment as text, but I don't recall exactly what it has been [11:48] sistpoty: should I copy the files from /usr/share/doc/pmplib to /usr/share/doc/easypmp then? and not worry about where those files went to? [11:48] rmjb: did you look through all packages? imho these should be in the first package listed in debian/control [11:50] I really don't understand this build process... there's no debian/tmp/usr/share/doc/easypmp, but there's a debian/easypmp/usr/share/doc/easypmp [11:50] I guess the files are already there and don't need to be listed in the easypmp.install file then [11:50] theCore: the with which you signed the upload is not in revu key database... have you registered it with your launchpad account and are in the group ubuntu-universe-contributors [11:50] ? [11:51] sistpoty: I was in ubuntu-universe-contributors, but left the team [11:51] I left* [11:52] theCore: why did you leave the team, if you still want to upload? [11:52] the reason is really silly... [11:53] rmjb: changelog.gz e.g. is handled via dh_installchangelogs... some are handled via dh_installdocs even if you don't list them in docs [11:53] rmjb: so the question is, how is dh_installdocs called? [11:54] sistpoty: I'm using cdbs [11:54] I just found Ubuntu Universe Contributors ugly on my lp home page === theCore ducks [11:54] from the output it seems to be called as dh_installdocs -p for all 3 packages [11:54] rmjb: but cdbs is using debhelper underneath [11:54] Later gang [11:54] yes [11:54] later bddebian [11:54] later bddebian [11:55] sistpoty: so, I would need to join again? [11:55] theCore: yes, please... otherwise I cannot import your key to revu ;) === gandalfn [n=gandalfn@i02m-87-89-253-156.d4.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:56] sistpoty: ok, I am a member of the team again [11:57] rmjb: maybe it's some help if you put export DH_VERBOSE=1 into debian rules (at the beginning). that should give you some insights what the debhelper scripts (called from cdbs) are actually doing [11:57] theCore: ok, I'll resync the keyring and put your package from rejected back to incoming [11:57] sistpoty: THAT is what I need, thank you very much [11:58] sistpoty: thanks [11:58] np rmjb, theCore ;) === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === UbuntuStats [n=gouki@bl7-19-175.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:02] sistpoty: things are looking up, another question about the usr/share/doc [12:02] sistpoty: should it just be the binary package name? and not the source? === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.120.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:03] binary package name: libpmp, source package name pmplib [12:04] rmjb: binary package name, though I'd highly advise you not to copy stuff in there yourself, but using docs (dh_installdocs) or examples (dh_installexamples) instead [12:04] rmjb: that way, you needn't change anything if e.g. the library package name changes due to a different soname [12:04] (library binary package name even) [12:05] sistpoty: yeah, I'm not copying in myself, but I had usr/share/doc/ in the .install file [12:05] so I'm removing it === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:08] theCore: your package should show up on revu when the next */10 cron runs [12:08] (minutes) [12:08] sistpoty: thanks again [12:08] np [12:09] does the INSTALL file usually get put into a package, or is it left out? [12:10] rmjb: unless you list it in docs, it gets left out iirc. [12:10] sistpoty: I'll leave it out then... ? I hope that's okay [12:11] rmjb: usually it only contains info necessary to compile the package. and that's not really useful for a binary package (and for the source package, you have it there in the first place) [12:11] cool, it's okay [12:11] rmjb: if it contains info useful for the *binary* package though (happens sometimes as well), please include it [12:12] nah, it's a standard cut-and-paste INSTALL file === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu