| kiko | seb128, if you want products created for you, just /msg me on IRC | 12:18 |
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| seb128 | kiko: well, I mention it because I faced the problem some days ago and just dropped on the trunk entry | 12:18 |
| kiko | I can have it done and will ping you back in record time | 12:18 |
| seb128 | kiko: ok, thank you | 12:18 |
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| Fujitsu | You actually expect most to get registered? I find it somewhat unlikely. | 12:18 |
| kiko | over time? sure I do | 12:19 |
| seb128 | kiko: just by curiosity is there any page explaining what the upstream trunk question is about? | 12:19 |
| seb128 | because the launchpad page doesn't make clear what it's asking for and where to find that information | 12:19 |
| === kiko goes to find out what the question is | ||
| Fujitsu | Launchpad is mutually exclusive with documentation, from what I've seen :( | 12:20 |
| kiko | there is no trunk question, seb128 -- is there? | 12:20 |
| seb128 | "Product Serie" | 12:20 |
| kiko | https://launchpad.net/products/+new | 12:20 |
| seb128 | "Product Series" to be exact | 12:20 |
| seb128 | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+source/gtkhtml3.8/+packaging | 12:20 |
| kiko | seb128, we do that all for you | 12:20 |
| seb128 | by example | 12:20 |
| seb128 | "Launchpad does not know the upstream product series for this package. If you know the correct details, please enter them carefully." | 12:20 |
| kiko | seb128, link the other way around -- product to package | 12:20 |
| kiko | and it's easier | 12:20 |
| seb128 | well, I come from a bug on the package | 12:20 |
| kiko | there are bugs filed on that actually | 12:20 |
| seb128 | and clicked on upstream task | 12:20 |
| === kiko sneezes | ||
| seb128 | which brought me there | 12:21 |
| Fujitsu | kiko, ahhhhh. I didn't think of doing it the other way when I tried it. | 12:21 |
| kiko | seb128, that page is a disgrace on humanity | 12:21 |
| seb128 | kiko: if somebody could create a product for gtkhtml3.8 that would be nice | 12:21 |
| seb128 | I don't fancy having to figure a description for it and a summary | 12:22 |
| kiko | is that libgtkhtml, seb128? | 12:22 |
| seb128 | kiko: no, that's gtkhtml from evolution | 12:22 |
| kiko | seb128, http://directory.fsf.org/webauth/htmlpreproc/gtkhtml.html ? | 12:22 |
| seb128 | kiko: that's it | 12:23 |
| seb128 | hum | 12:23 |
| seb128 | no, wait | 12:23 |
| kiko | seb128, I have it at the tip of my finger... | 12:24 |
| seb128 | kiko: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gtkhtml/ | 12:25 |
| kiko | it's the same thing | 12:25 |
| seb128 | from the page you pointed: "Version 3.0.10 (stable) released on 2003-09-18 00:00:00.000" | 12:26 |
| kiko | that page is old | 12:26 |
| seb128 | maybe the page is only outdated | 12:26 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:26 |
| kiko | it's andersca's gtkhtml | 12:26 |
| kiko | seb128, created and linked to gtkhtml3.8 | 12:26 |
| kiko | https://launchpad.net/products/gtkhtml/ | 12:26 |
| seb128 | kiko: thank you | 12:27 |
| kiko | see the Distro Packages box? I did that! | 12:27 |
| === kiko yays | ||
| kiko | technology my man | 12:27 |
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| seb128 | sorry for complaining ;) | 12:27 |
| kiko | seb128, complaints are key to improvement | 12:27 |
| kiko | seb128, if you have more products to register just send them my way | 12:27 |
| seb128 | but having to figure upstream website, description, serie, etc was just too much to do | 12:27 |
| kiko | and tell dholbach he can if he ever complains | 12:27 |
| kiko | I just copy n paste | 12:28 |
| seb128 | I just wanted to open an upstream task :p | 12:28 |
| kiko | and live with the wreckage | 12:28 |
| === LarstiQ cries | ||
| kiko | heh | 12:28 |
| kiko | what is it now LarstiQ | 12:28 |
| seb128 | kiko: ok :) | 12:28 |
| LarstiQ | kiko: autotools-dev in https://launchpad.net/products/bzr/+packages | 12:28 |
| kiko | LarstiQ, jesus that's such an old request | 12:28 |
| kiko | stub's a slacker | 12:28 |
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| LarstiQ | I know I've complained about it before :) | 12:29 |
| kiko | SteveA, what should we do about admin tasks that need to be handled by the DBA but never get done? | 12:29 |
| kiko | beyond hanging dead chickens around his house in thailand | 12:29 |
| === kiko a vegetarian just said that! | ||
| kiko | I didn't mean it | 12:29 |
| SteveA | dead chickens? | 12:30 |
| kiko | bad omens | 12:30 |
| SteveA | they'll end up on the bbq sticks at the nearest rat-on-a-stick stall | 12:30 |
| kiko | is this your way of not answering my question | 12:31 |
| kiko | Contributors: James Henstridge <james@daa.com.au> | 12:31 |
| kiko | as usual | 12:31 |
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| SteveA | that was such a rhetorical question | 12:38 |
| SteveA | followed by another rhetorical question | 12:38 |
| kiko | SteveA, it's 9:40pm | 12:39 |
| kiko | what do you expect from me | 12:39 |
| LarstiQ | yet more rhetorical questions. | 12:39 |
| kiko | what is the meaning of life? | 12:39 |
| SteveA | hmm... 12.40 am | 12:40 |
| SteveA | bedtime | 12:40 |
| kiko | no gym for overtime SteveA tonight | 12:40 |
| LarstiQ | SteveA: http://bazaar-vcs.org/NlSprint in case you hadn't seen it yet. | 12:41 |
| SteveA | LarstiQ: thanks. did you mail the python-nl list about it? | 12:46 |
| SteveA | maybe it would be an interesting intro to bzr | 12:47 |
| LarstiQ | SteveA: not yet, I'd like to get some more meat to it first. | 12:47 |
| SteveA | ok | 12:47 |
| SteveA | so, it can be at my place so long as I'm at home | 12:47 |
| SteveA | my only trip so far is pycon at the end of feb | 12:48 |
| === SteveA --> sleep | ||
| LarstiQ | right, coordinating the timing is the biggest thing I wanted to tackle :) | 12:48 |
| LarstiQ | SteveA: sleep well | 12:48 |
| === LarstiQ and Jelmer will be at fosdem during pycon anyway | ||
| SteveA | thanks | 12:48 |
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| LarstiQ | kiko: the blender vcs-import lags behind cvs, is there an intent written down somewhere for what vcs-imports tries to achieve? | 01:26 |
| kiko | what it tries to do when importing you mean, the nitty gritty, LarstiQ? | 01:27 |
| LarstiQ | kiko: rather, the 'guarantees' for how close it tracks upstream | 01:28 |
| LarstiQ | it's a day behind, which is enough for me not to be of much use | 01:28 |
| kiko | I asked ddaa about this recently | 01:29 |
| kiko | I think we can be up to 24h behind | 01:29 |
| kiko | and I /think/ there are ways to customize this interval per-project if you talk tohim | 01:29 |
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| LarstiQ | kiko: will do that then. | 01:30 |
| kiko | let me know the outcome | 01:30 |
| kiko | I'm curious | 01:30 |
| === LarstiQ nods | ||
| LarstiQ | to bed for now | 01:32 |
| kiko | I liked christel's lart there | 01:32 |
| kiko | it sounded dead honest | 01:32 |
| LarstiQ | kiko: wrong channel? | 01:33 |
| kiko | the global notice | 01:33 |
| === thumper has a plan for imports | ||
| kiko | did you miss it? | 01:33 |
| thumper | kiko: I missed it | 01:33 |
| kiko | thumper, do you know the answer to LarstiQ's indagation? | 01:33 |
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| thumper | kiko: you mean minimising the time lag for LarstiQ's imports? | 01:34 |
| kiko | well yes, and also just explaining what the lag is about. | 01:35 |
| thumper | lag is due to cron | 01:35 |
| kiko | cron's easy to fix :) | 01:35 |
| thumper | and the frequence that things are checked | 01:35 |
| thumper | I don't understand the internals yet | 01:35 |
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| thumper | but I have a plan | 01:36 |
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| LarstiQ | presumably there is a reason things are checked at the current frequency? | 01:36 |
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| thumper | I just have to fight the gods of cron | 01:36 |
| LarstiQ | thumper: a cunning plan I hope. | 01:36 |
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| thumper | LarstiQ: a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel | 01:36 |
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| thumper | LarstiQ: histerical reasons probably, not too sure | 01:36 |
| LarstiQ | ah yes, the hysterical raisins. | 01:37 |
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| LarstiQ | ddaa has told me about those before. | 01:37 |
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| === Topic (#launchpad): set by matthewrevell at Fri Dec 15 20:13:32 2006 | ||
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| === kiko-zzz waves | ||
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| kiko-zzz | high fives all around, zzzz | 01:54 |
| === kiko-zzz . o O ( ponies ) | ||
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| mpt | Gooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! | 03:01 |
| somerville32 | :D | 03:08 |
| Fujitsu | Hi mpt. | 03:10 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #76832 in malone "Simplify requesting a fix for older versions of software / product" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/76832 | 04:41 |
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| Hobbsee | awww, no people. to anyone who sees this later, i'm looking to change where my hobbsee@ubuntu.com && hobbsee@kubuntu.org point to - i've got my new address listed as the primary address in LP - will this automatically sync, and repoint my mail, or does someone need to do this manually? | 05:57 |
| mpt | Hobbsee, I think it happens automatically | 06:35 |
| mpt | Try e-mailing yourself @ubuntu.com and see :-) | 06:35 |
| Hobbsee | mpt: excellent, it has :) | 06:46 |
| Hobbsee | i think | 06:46 |
| Hobbsee | i seem to be getting rejected mails and bugmails | 06:47 |
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| carlos | morning | 09:03 |
| Hobbsee | hey carlos | 09:03 |
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| Hobbsee | mpt: you said it would be automatic for @ubuntu.com emails - why hasnt it for @kubuntu.org? did you happen to know? | 09:06 |
| mpt | Hobbsee, I don't know anything about kubuntu.org, sorry | 09:21 |
| Hobbsee | okay | 09:21 |
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| mdke | Hobbsee: you need elmo | 09:42 |
| Hobbsee | mdke: right, okay | 09:43 |
| Hobbsee | elmo: ping? | 09:43 |
| Hobbsee | it didnt matter till i changed where my email pointed to - argh! ;P | 09:43 |
| kiko-zzz | yawn | 09:45 |
| kiko-zzz | what's going on | 09:45 |
| Hobbsee | hey kiko-zzz | 09:46 |
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| kiko-zzz | I have been sandbagged by my cycling companions | 09:46 |
| kiko-zzz | but I will prevail | 09:46 |
| Fujitsu | Evening, kiko-zzz. | 09:47 |
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| matthewrevell | mpt: ooh, thanks | 10:09 |
| matthewrevell | mpt: Is this a Matthew-only love-in, or can anyone join in? :) | 10:12 |
| SteveA | there are enough matts at Canonical for a full on orgy, matthewrevell | 10:12 |
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| mpt | that is NOT the mission of the Matthew Cabal | 10:18 |
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| cprov | good morning | 11:55 |
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| carlos | danilos: ok, so TranslationReview implementation is done. Now is time to fix all bugs and the spec will be finished | 12:02 |
| carlos | it's a pity that javascript cannot be tested... | 12:03 |
| danilos | carlos: wow, great :) | 12:03 |
| danilos | carlos: yeah, but there was some discussion (on the list?) about considering it | 12:03 |
| carlos | I know | 12:03 |
| carlos | I filed a bug yesterday | 12:03 |
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| carlos | to track its status | 12:04 |
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| SteveA | matthewrevell: hi | 12:10 |
| matthewrevell | SteveA: hey | 12:12 |
| SteveA | matthewrevell: how about a voice call? | 12:12 |
| matthewrevell | Yeah, sounds good | 12:12 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #76854 in launchpad "Launchpad does not understand bzr+ssh: urls" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/76854 | 12:25 |
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| kiko | hi pie | 01:34 |
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| heiko | i've been googling for that a lot, but couldn't find anything about it: i've repeatedly verified on different devices that upgrading from dapper->edgy as well as edgy->feisty breaks wlan for me. is there already a bug report for that? would it make sense to create one? | 01:59 |
| salgado | heiko, the right channel to ask that is #ubuntu. but you may also search in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs to see if it's already reported | 02:01 |
| heiko | i've asked on #ubuntu a number of times, so i figured that maybe people who are slightly more technical could be found here. | 02:02 |
| matsubara | heiko: #ubuntu-bugs | 02:05 |
| matsubara | heiko: a lot of the BugSquad team members hang there, so it's the best place to find out about already reported bugs on ubuntu | 02:06 |
| heiko | cool, thanks | 02:06 |
| kiko | carlos, sent a review your way | 02:07 |
| kiko | Hobbsee, am I going to be able to send out DVDs before the new year? | 02:07 |
| carlos | kiko: cool, thanks! | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: dunno. i've been at work and such. and today been doing some very crucial testing. supertux :P | 02:07 |
| kiko | Hobbsee, come on.. those studios need to make a living through copyrights you know! | 02:08 |
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| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:17 |
| kiko | Hobbsee, can you find out how we stand and let me know? | 02:18 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: as in, how many bugs left? | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | kiko: my email is in limbo. but perhaps | 02:21 |
| kiko | and as in, how the activity has been lately | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | oh right | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | there have been some groups that have done a whole heap of work - ubuntu-chicago is one | 02:21 |
| kiko | oh really | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 02:23 |
| cprov | kiko: check the fix for bug 59443 in https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/cprov/launchpad/trivialities/full-diff, if you have time | 02:29 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 59443 in soyuz "Soyuz should send announce messages for backports to different list" [High,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59443 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov) | 02:29 |
| ddaa | SteveA: handed over a fixed and customised svn2bzr as well as a conversion of the svn dump to ignas on #schooltool | 02:35 |
| ddaa | as well as some explanations of where I expect there would be problems with the converted data | 02:35 |
| SteveA | ddaa: handed over to whom? | 02:35 |
| ddaa | to ignas | 02:36 |
| SteveA | that's great. thanks for doing it, and thanks for telling me. | 02:36 |
| SteveA | what does ignas think about it? | 02:36 |
| SteveA | is he happy? | 02:36 |
| ddaa | he sounds happy that I got it working :) | 02:36 |
| ddaa | I gave my email and asked him to tell me about specific problem he needs fixed. | 02:36 |
| ddaa | I know that svn2bzr is not reusing file-ids as much as it could. | 02:37 |
| ddaa | so I explained that I expected some problem with merging active branches | 02:38 |
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| LapTop006 | I have an entry for "fix-it Friday" (even if it's gone saturday here ;-), bugs 74748 and 74749, with a beer or equivilent as bonus | 03:35 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 74748 in launchpad ""Select a Person or Team" should use default term" [Low,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74748 | 03:35 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 74749 in launchpad ""Select a Person or Team" needs to be themed" [Low,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74749 | 03:35 |
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| LarstiQ | ddaa: blender vcs-imports lags by at least a day right now. To what could the frequency of updating be increased if I asked nicely? | 03:38 |
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| ddaa | LarstiQ: the frequency of importing can be increased, but the published vcs-imports branches are still updated once a day. | 03:48 |
| ddaa | LarstiQ: I happen to have just committed a patch that would allow fixing this :) | 03:48 |
| ddaa | So I'll make it FiF patch to actually fix the branch puller. | 03:49 |
| salgado | LapTop006, I'm afraid most of the launchpad developers are already on vacation, so it's not going to be easy to find somebody to do that. :/ | 03:50 |
| salgado | I'd do that myself, but I have a couple things I need to finish before leaving on vacation | 03:50 |
| LapTop006 | hmm | 03:51 |
| ddaa | LarstiQ: as a matter of fact, the blender import botched on the last sync | 03:57 |
| LarstiQ | ddaa: what made it botch? | 04:01 |
| ddaa | not obvious, a file appeared modified in the final cross-check | 04:02 |
| ddaa | might be a commit-in-progress race, or a CVS repo surgery | 04:02 |
| ddaa | running the sync again to see if it works | 04:03 |
| ddaa | or maybe it was "created", I never quite remember what the notation means... | 04:03 |
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| ddaa | or might be a new bug :) | 04:06 |
| ddaa | LarstiQ: okay, it passed now | 04:08 |
| ddaa | probably it was a cvs commit race. | 04:08 |
| LarstiQ | ddaa: thanks | 04:08 |
| ddaa | it still going to be a while before the published branch gets updated | 04:08 |
| ddaa | sorry about this | 04:08 |
| ddaa | I'll be hacking on it once I'm done with the daily herding of new imports. | 04:09 |
| LarstiQ | ddaa: is that mainly a cron issue? | 04:10 |
| ddaa | cron? :) | 04:11 |
| ddaa | it's a scheduling issue | 04:11 |
| ddaa | we have a cronscript that runs every 10 mins, but it does not update all branches all the time | 04:11 |
| ddaa | for reasons that I think are obvious :) | 04:11 |
| ddaa | and up to now, we had no way to know that vcs-imports branch needed updating | 04:12 |
| ddaa | well.. no reliable way | 04:12 |
| LarstiQ | right | 04:16 |
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| ddaa | one day, we'll have a daemon, and message-based system to have near-zero latency | 04:18 |
| LarstiQ | ddaa: that would be sweet. Is there anyone going to work on that in the near future? | 04:20 |
| ddaa | nope | 04:20 |
| ddaa | there are many things we can do to improve the latency and the robustness of the system before this | 04:20 |
| ddaa | BTW, it would be cool to have a system to get notifications from postgres. Something like "if a new row appears on this table, call this method". | 04:21 |
| ddaa | kiko: do you know if such a thing is possible today? | 04:21 |
| LarstiQ | just a trigger? | 04:21 |
| ddaa | no, an application method | 04:21 |
| ddaa | not a database method | 04:22 |
| ddaa | otherwise we'd need another channel (xmlrpc presumably) for notifications, or we would have to poll the database. | 04:22 |
| ddaa | none of which are extremely desirable | 04:22 |
| LarstiQ | ddaa: barring the message-based system, what improvements to the latency can I expect? | 04:35 |
| ddaa | For a CVS repo, we will have a sync every 12h, published within 10 mins after sync. | 04:36 |
| ddaa | At some point during January. | 04:36 |
| ddaa | we cannot increase the frequency too much because cscvs does not deal well with commits in progress | 04:36 |
| LarstiQ | yet you can still get that race condition every sync? | 04:37 |
| ddaa | yes | 04:37 |
| ddaa | but it's rare | 04:38 |
| ddaa | the problem is rather when the race condition occurs but is not detected | 04:38 |
| ddaa | then the cvs commit can get imported as two bzr commits | 04:38 |
| ddaa | though... good thing... the way importd is set up now, if the race is detected, the split commit is not recorded... | 04:39 |
| ddaa | previously, in the case we just had, the split commit was recorded on the first attempt, and stored in the cscvs catalog permanently. | 04:39 |
| ddaa | Which sucks because then the catalog cannot be rebuilt from scratch. | 04:40 |
| LarstiQ | how does the 12h help? give the human more time for review? | 04:40 |
| ddaa | reduces the amount of split commits we get | 04:40 |
| ddaa | for some cvs repo, commit time can be quite long | 04:40 |
| ddaa | like... hours... | 04:40 |
| ddaa | the number of split commits we get in a time period is linear of the sync frequency, but grows explosively if the sync delay is not >> cvs commit duration. | 04:41 |
| ddaa | something about cvs sucking really badly, you know... | 04:42 |
| ddaa | svn is better behaved, so the default will be 6h. It's mostly bounded by some things that can be optimised in our system. | 04:42 |
| ddaa | LarstiQ: also, for most of our use cases, we do not really need imports that up-to-date to the minute. | 04:46 |
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| LarstiQ | ddaa: I understand, 6 hours would already be bearable for me | 05:11 |
| ddaa | but blender is cvs :) | 05:11 |
| ddaa | if I were master of the world... | 05:11 |
| ddaa | I'd give an ultimatum to all the CVS users out there... | 05:12 |
| LarstiQ | ddaa: well, I can't well advocate the usage of bzr without a good conversion to play with :) | 05:12 |
| ddaa | "Please guys, get your act toghether and move into the third millenium. Anobody who's still running a CVS server next year will be put in jail." | 05:13 |
| ddaa | mh | 05:13 |
| ddaa | "next month" | 05:13 |
| ddaa | If I were master of the world I would not be this patient :) | 05:13 |
| ddaa | LarstiQ: I understand. And I'm working right now to fix the "one day latency" problem. | 05:14 |
| LarstiQ | ddaa: it won't go down under 12h though, if I understood you | 05:15 |
| ddaa | Well | 05:15 |
| ddaa | On special request I will be able to set it to arbitrary values. | 05:15 |
| ddaa | Like 'one week' ;-) | 05:15 |
| ddaa | or "one hour" | 05:16 |
| ddaa | then there will also be a UI to allow user to set it. | 05:16 |
| ddaa | but this UI would depend on not running buildbot to schedule the imports. | 05:17 |
| ddaa | (for complicated annoying reason that have to do with the limitation of buildbot) | 05:17 |
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| ddaa | (throw in some "s" in the previous sentence) | 05:17 |
| carlos | If I don't see you next week. Merry Christmas and a happy new year! | 05:18 |
| ddaa | LarstiQ: so, next month I'll be able to set blender to any reasonable sync interval, since there seem to be a good reason. | 05:18 |
| ddaa | using database access superpowers | 05:19 |
| LarstiQ | wee :) | 05:19 |
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| kiko | ddaa, I don't think so | 05:23 |
| ddaa | can you ask jamesh to implement it next week? kthxbye! | 05:24 |
| kiko | lol | 05:25 |
| ddaa | looks like kiko's IRC client has a bug triggered by the string "lol"... | 05:25 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #76903 in launchpad "+claim page for a team crashes" [Low,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/76903 | 08:20 |
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| mpt | Goooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! | 12:00 |
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