[12:18] seb128, if you want products created for you, just /msg me on IRC [12:18] kiko: well, I mention it because I faced the problem some days ago and just dropped on the trunk entry [12:18] I can have it done and will ping you back in record time [12:18] kiko: ok, thank you === Fujitsu blinks. [12:18] You actually expect most to get registered? I find it somewhat unlikely. [12:19] over time? sure I do [12:19] kiko: just by curiosity is there any page explaining what the upstream trunk question is about? [12:19] because the launchpad page doesn't make clear what it's asking for and where to find that information === kiko goes to find out what the question is [12:20] Launchpad is mutually exclusive with documentation, from what I've seen :( [12:20] there is no trunk question, seb128 -- is there? [12:20] "Product Serie" [12:20] https://launchpad.net/products/+new [12:20] "Product Series" to be exact [12:20] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+source/gtkhtml3.8/+packaging [12:20] seb128, we do that all for you [12:20] by example [12:20] "Launchpad does not know the upstream product series for this package. If you know the correct details, please enter them carefully." [12:20] seb128, link the other way around -- product to package [12:20] and it's easier [12:20] well, I come from a bug on the package [12:20] there are bugs filed on that actually [12:20] and clicked on upstream task === kiko sneezes [12:21] which brought me there [12:21] kiko, ahhhhh. I didn't think of doing it the other way when I tried it. [12:21] seb128, that page is a disgrace on humanity [12:21] kiko: if somebody could create a product for gtkhtml3.8 that would be nice [12:22] I don't fancy having to figure a description for it and a summary [12:22] is that libgtkhtml, seb128? [12:22] kiko: no, that's gtkhtml from evolution [12:22] seb128, http://directory.fsf.org/webauth/htmlpreproc/gtkhtml.html ? [12:23] kiko: that's it [12:23] hum [12:23] no, wait [12:24] seb128, I have it at the tip of my finger... [12:25] kiko: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gtkhtml/ [12:25] it's the same thing [12:26] from the page you pointed: "Version 3.0.10 (stable) released on 2003-09-18 00:00:00.000" [12:26] that page is old [12:26] maybe the page is only outdated [12:26] ok [12:26] it's andersca's gtkhtml [12:26] seb128, created and linked to gtkhtml3.8 [12:26] https://launchpad.net/products/gtkhtml/ [12:27] kiko: thank you [12:27] see the Distro Packages box? I did that! === kiko yays [12:27] technology my man === seb128 hugs kiko === jml [n=jml@124.177.29.136] has joined #launchpad [12:27] sorry for complaining ;) [12:27] seb128, complaints are key to improvement [12:27] seb128, if you have more products to register just send them my way [12:27] but having to figure upstream website, description, serie, etc was just too much to do [12:27] and tell dholbach he can if he ever complains [12:28] I just copy n paste [12:28] I just wanted to open an upstream task :p [12:28] and live with the wreckage === LarstiQ cries [12:28] heh [12:28] what is it now LarstiQ [12:28] kiko: ok :) [12:28] kiko: autotools-dev in https://launchpad.net/products/bzr/+packages [12:28] LarstiQ, jesus that's such an old request [12:28] stub's a slacker === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad [12:29] I know I've complained about it before :) [12:29] SteveA, what should we do about admin tasks that need to be handled by the DBA but never get done? [12:29] beyond hanging dead chickens around his house in thailand === kiko a vegetarian just said that! [12:29] I didn't mean it [12:30] dead chickens? [12:30] bad omens [12:30] they'll end up on the bbq sticks at the nearest rat-on-a-stick stall [12:31] is this your way of not answering my question [12:31] Contributors: James Henstridge [12:31] as usual === Fujitsu_ [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-164-24.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #launchpad [12:38] that was such a rhetorical question [12:38] followed by another rhetorical question [12:39] SteveA, it's 9:40pm [12:39] what do you expect from me [12:39] yet more rhetorical questions. [12:39] what is the meaning of life? [12:40] hmm... 12.40 am [12:40] bedtime [12:40] no gym for overtime SteveA tonight [12:41] SteveA: http://bazaar-vcs.org/NlSprint in case you hadn't seen it yet. [12:46] LarstiQ: thanks. did you mail the python-nl list about it? [12:47] maybe it would be an interesting intro to bzr [12:47] SteveA: not yet, I'd like to get some more meat to it first. [12:47] ok [12:47] so, it can be at my place so long as I'm at home [12:48] my only trip so far is pycon at the end of feb === SteveA --> sleep [12:48] right, coordinating the timing is the biggest thing I wanted to tackle :) [12:48] SteveA: sleep well === LarstiQ and Jelmer will be at fosdem during pycon anyway [12:48] thanks === poolie__ is now known as poolie === mdke [n=matt@85.210.215.38] has joined #launchpad === Fanch [n=fanch@fanfan.staff.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@203.89.166.123] has joined #launchpad === kiko [n=kiko@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === lamont [i=lamont@nat/hp/session] has joined #launchpad === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === Topic for #launchpad: Developer meeting: Thu 21 Dec, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 === Topic (#launchpad): set by matthewrevell at Fri Dec 15 20:13:32 2006 === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-126-224.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === _mholthaus [n=mholthau@johnny33.dersbach.ch] has joined #launchpad === crimsun [n=crimsun@dargo.trilug.org] has joined #launchpad === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad === Riddell [i=jr@193.28.45.42] has joined #launchpad === Ng [n=cmsj@mairukipa.tenshu.net] has joined #launchpad === lfittl [n=lfittl@83.64.250.38] has joined #launchpad === joejaxx [i=jadaz87@poprock.dreamhost.com] has joined #launchpad === jordi [n=jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === kiko [n=kiko@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #launchpad === popey [n=alan@bishop.popey.com] has joined #launchpad === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port166-123.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #launchpad [01:26] kiko: the blender vcs-import lags behind cvs, is there an intent written down somewhere for what vcs-imports tries to achieve? [01:27] what it tries to do when importing you mean, the nitty gritty, LarstiQ? [01:28] kiko: rather, the 'guarantees' for how close it tracks upstream [01:28] it's a day behind, which is enough for me not to be of much use [01:29] I asked ddaa about this recently [01:29] I think we can be up to 24h behind [01:29] and I /think/ there are ways to customize this interval per-project if you talk tohim === belito [n=user@190.40.170.130] has joined #launchpad === j-a-meinel [n=jameinel@adsl-75-51-62-134.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #launchpad === jkakar [n=jkakar@204-174-36-228.unknown-dhcp802.dsl.ucc-net.ca] has joined #launchpad === mdz [n=mdz@adsl-75-31-47-148.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #launchpad === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #launchpad === shawn___ [n=shawn@netblock-68-183-69-197.dslextreme.com] has joined #launchpad === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad [01:30] kiko: will do that then. [01:30] let me know the outcome [01:30] I'm curious === LarstiQ nods [01:32] to bed for now [01:32] I liked christel's lart there [01:32] it sounded dead honest [01:33] kiko: wrong channel? [01:33] the global notice === thumper has a plan for imports [01:33] did you miss it? [01:33] kiko: I missed it [01:33] thumper, do you know the answer to LarstiQ's indagation? === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-219.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad [01:34] kiko: you mean minimising the time lag for LarstiQ's imports? [01:35] well yes, and also just explaining what the lag is about. [01:35] lag is due to cron [01:35] cron's easy to fix :) [01:35] and the frequence that things are checked [01:35] I don't understand the internals yet === joejaxx_ [i=jadaz87@poprock.dreamhost.com] has joined #launchpad === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port166-123.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #launchpad === spiv [n=andrew@218-214-66-203.people.net.au] has joined #launchpad [01:36] but I have a plan === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #launchpad === mdke [n=matt@85-210-215-38.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #launchpad === Ppjet6 [n=ppjet6@81.56.130.254] has joined #launchpad === ryanakca [n=ryan@d226-26-139.home.cgocable.net] has joined #launchpad [01:36] presumably there is a reason things are checked at the current frequency? === danilos [n=danilo@adsl-233-130.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad [01:36] I just have to fight the gods of cron [01:36] thumper: a cunning plan I hope. === somerville32 [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034079050.nb.aliant.net] has joined #launchpad === merriam_ [n=merriam@195.112.59.254] has joined #launchpad === asw [n=asw@134.174.150.46] has joined #launchpad === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #launchpad === static [n=emurphy@70.118.18.194] has joined #launchpad [01:36] LarstiQ: a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel === shawn___ [n=shawn@netblock-68-183-69-197.dslextreme.com] has joined #launchpad [01:36] LarstiQ: histerical reasons probably, not too sure [01:37] ah yes, the hysterical raisins. === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.14.15.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [01:37] ddaa has told me about those before. === joejaxx_ is now known as joejaxx === [PUPPETS] Gonzo [i=gonzo@80.69.47.16] has joined #launchpad === thumper off for now, back tonight (NZDT) === Starting logfile irclogs/launchpad.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #launchpad === Topic for #launchpad: Developer meeting: Thu 21 Dec, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 === Topic (#launchpad): set by matthewrevell at Fri Dec 15 20:13:32 2006 === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad === kiko is now known as kiko-zzz === kiko-zzz waves === somerville32 hugs kiko-zzz [01:54] high fives all around, zzzz === kiko-zzz . o O ( ponies ) === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad === czedlitz [n=czedlitz@ip70-161-80-244.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #launchpad [03:01] Gooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! [03:08] :D [03:10] Hi mpt. === mpt wonders what the figurative meaning is for the Spanish translation of "in concrete" === lifeless_ [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-112-054.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad [04:41] New bug: #76832 in malone "Simplify requesting a fix for older versions of software / product" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/76832 === plasma_kaz [n=Evan@about/essy/MeanieBeanie/plasmakaz] has joined #launchpad === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee waves and looks for people. @ubuntu.com email address people, in particular [05:57] awww, no people. to anyone who sees this later, i'm looking to change where my hobbsee@ubuntu.com && hobbsee@kubuntu.org point to - i've got my new address listed as the primary address in LP - will this automatically sync, and repoint my mail, or does someone need to do this manually? [06:35] Hobbsee, I think it happens automatically [06:35] Try e-mailing yourself @ubuntu.com and see :-) [06:46] mpt: excellent, it has :) [06:46] i think [06:47] i seem to be getting rejected mails and bugmails === thumper [n=tim@166-179-23-86.jamamobile.co.nz] has joined #launchpad === chahibi_ [n=chahibi@adsl-166-252-192-81.adsl.iam.net.ma] has joined #launchpad === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #launchpad === mhb_ [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #launchpad === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.16.64.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === chahibi_ is now known as chahibi === chahibi is now known as chahib === chahib is now known as chahibi === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@70.Red-83-53-123.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [09:03] morning [09:03] hey carlos === jinty [n=jinty@vc-196-207-32-235.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #launchpad [09:06] mpt: you said it would be automatic for @ubuntu.com emails - why hasnt it for @kubuntu.org? did you happen to know? [09:21] Hobbsee, I don't know anything about kubuntu.org, sorry [09:21] okay === marcus_notebook [n=mholthau@5353713C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #launchpad [09:42] Hobbsee: you need elmo [09:43] mdke: right, okay [09:43] elmo: ping? [09:43] it didnt matter till i changed where my email pointed to - argh! ;P [09:45] yawn [09:45] what's going on [09:46] hey kiko-zzz === Hobbsee hands kiko-zzz a large cup of coffee [09:46] I have been sandbagged by my cycling companions [09:46] but I will prevail [09:47] Evening, kiko-zzz. === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === matthewrevell [n=matthew@62-31-78-21.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === mpt hugs matthewrevell [10:09] mpt: ooh, thanks [10:12] mpt: Is this a Matthew-only love-in, or can anyone join in? :) [10:12] there are enough matts at Canonical for a full on orgy, matthewrevell === matthewrevell shudders [10:18] that is NOT the mission of the Matthew Cabal === SteveA looks for that Joe Orton quote from Prick Up Your Ears... === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-219.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === ..[topic/#launchpad:matthewrevell] : Today is Fix-it Friday! | Developer meeting: Thu 4 Jan 2007, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === mholthaus [n=mholthau@5353713C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #launchpad === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #launchpad [11:55] good morning === oojah [n=roger@cpc1-nott6-0-0-cust436.nott.cable.ntl.com] has joined #launchpad === asw [n=asw@134.174.150.46] has joined #launchpad === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #launchpad === kiko-zzz [n=kiko@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === Ng [n=cmsj@mairukipa.tenshu.net] has joined #launchpad === sigurdga [n=sigurdga@252.80-202-221.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad === fabbione [n=fabbione@vpn-nat.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@host-84-9-51-23.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #launchpad === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad === elmo [n=james@83-216-156-21.jamest747.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === stgraber [i=stgraber@unaffiliated/stgraber] has joined #launchpad === LarstiQ [n=larstiq@cust.7.157.adsl.cistron.nl] has joined #launchpad === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.16.64.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === chahibi [n=chahibi@adsl-166-252-192-81.adsl.iam.net.ma] has joined #launchpad === [PUPPETS] Gonzo [i=gonzo@80.69.47.16] has joined #launchpad === mdz [n=mdz@adsl-75-31-47-148.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #launchpad === j-a-meinel [n=jameinel@adsl-75-51-62-134.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #launchpad === popey [n=alan@bishop.popey.com] has joined #launchpad === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #launchpad === lfittl [n=lfittl@83.64.250.38] has joined #launchpad === Riddell [i=jr@193.28.45.42] has joined #launchpad === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad === SteveA [n=steve@213.133.64.221] has joined #launchpad === lamont [i=lamont@nat/hp/x-dd5efd73bc0fe9d9] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@124.177.29.136] has joined #launchpad === Znarl [n=karl@82.108.14.161] has joined #launchpad === danilos [n=danilo@adsl-233-130.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-219.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === matthewrevell [n=matthew@62-31-78-21.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@70.Red-83-53-123.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-112-054.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-124-189-12-98.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #launchpad === stu1 is now known as stub [12:02] danilos: ok, so TranslationReview implementation is done. Now is time to fix all bugs and the spec will be finished [12:03] it's a pity that javascript cannot be tested... [12:03] carlos: wow, great :) [12:03] carlos: yeah, but there was some discussion (on the list?) about considering it [12:03] I know [12:03] I filed a bug yesterday === salgado [n=salgado@201-0-108-246.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:04] to track its status === salgado [n=salgado@201-0-108-246.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:10] matthewrevell: hi [12:12] SteveA: hey [12:12] matthewrevell: how about a voice call? [12:12] Yeah, sounds good === mholthaus_ [n=mholthau@5353713C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #launchpad [12:25] New bug: #76854 in launchpad "Launchpad does not understand bzr+ssh: urls" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/76854 === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === jinty [n=jinty@vc-196-207-32-235.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #launchpad === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #launchpad === static [n=emurphy@194.18.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === kiko-zzz is now known as kiko [01:34] hi pie === heiko [n=miau@p54A3FD67.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad [01:59] i've been googling for that a lot, but couldn't find anything about it: i've repeatedly verified on different devices that upgrading from dapper->edgy as well as edgy->feisty breaks wlan for me. is there already a bug report for that? would it make sense to create one? [02:01] heiko, the right channel to ask that is #ubuntu. but you may also search in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs to see if it's already reported [02:02] i've asked on #ubuntu a number of times, so i figured that maybe people who are slightly more technical could be found here. [02:05] heiko: #ubuntu-bugs [02:06] heiko: a lot of the BugSquad team members hang there, so it's the best place to find out about already reported bugs on ubuntu [02:06] cool, thanks [02:07] carlos, sent a review your way [02:07] Hobbsee, am I going to be able to send out DVDs before the new year? [02:07] kiko: cool, thanks! [02:07] kiko: dunno. i've been at work and such. and today been doing some very crucial testing. supertux :P [02:08] Hobbsee, come on.. those studios need to make a living through copyrights you know! === heiko [n=miau@p54A3FD67.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #launchpad [] [02:17] hehe [02:18] Hobbsee, can you find out how we stand and let me know? [02:21] kiko: as in, how many bugs left? [02:21] kiko: my email is in limbo. but perhaps [02:21] and as in, how the activity has been lately [02:21] oh right [02:21] there have been some groups that have done a whole heap of work - ubuntu-chicago is one [02:22] oh really [02:23] yep [02:29] kiko: check the fix for bug 59443 in https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/cprov/launchpad/trivialities/full-diff, if you have time [02:29] Malone bug 59443 in soyuz "Soyuz should send announce messages for backports to different list" [High,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59443 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov) [02:35] SteveA: handed over a fixed and customised svn2bzr as well as a conversion of the svn dump to ignas on #schooltool [02:35] as well as some explanations of where I expect there would be problems with the converted data [02:35] ddaa: handed over to whom? [02:36] to ignas [02:36] that's great. thanks for doing it, and thanks for telling me. [02:36] what does ignas think about it? [02:36] is he happy? [02:36] he sounds happy that I got it working :) [02:36] I gave my email and asked him to tell me about specific problem he needs fixed. [02:37] I know that svn2bzr is not reusing file-ids as much as it could. [02:38] so I explained that I expected some problem with merging active branches === carlos -> lunch === LapTop006 [n=laptop00@203.44.212.106] has joined #launchpad === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@84.12.111.19] has joined #launchpad === doko_ is now known as doko === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch === hype_ [n=hype_@gar31-3-82-234-50-53.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [03:35] I have an entry for "fix-it Friday" (even if it's gone saturday here ;-), bugs 74748 and 74749, with a beer or equivilent as bonus [03:35] Malone bug 74748 in launchpad ""Select a Person or Team" should use default term" [Low,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74748 [03:35] Malone bug 74749 in launchpad ""Select a Person or Team" needs to be themed" [Low,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/74749 === lbm [n=lbm@82.192.173.92] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@132.Red-88-0-136.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [03:38] ddaa: blender vcs-imports lags by at least a day right now. To what could the frequency of updating be increased if I asked nicely? === jinty [n=jinty@vc-196-207-32-235.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #launchpad [03:48] LarstiQ: the frequency of importing can be increased, but the published vcs-imports branches are still updated once a day. [03:48] LarstiQ: I happen to have just committed a patch that would allow fixing this :) [03:49] So I'll make it FiF patch to actually fix the branch puller. [03:50] LapTop006, I'm afraid most of the launchpad developers are already on vacation, so it's not going to be easy to find somebody to do that. :/ [03:50] I'd do that myself, but I have a couple things I need to finish before leaving on vacation [03:51] hmm [03:57] LarstiQ: as a matter of fact, the blender import botched on the last sync [04:01] ddaa: what made it botch? [04:02] not obvious, a file appeared modified in the final cross-check [04:02] might be a commit-in-progress race, or a CVS repo surgery [04:03] running the sync again to see if it works [04:03] or maybe it was "created", I never quite remember what the notation means... === hype_ [n=hype_@gar31-3-82-234-50-53.fbx.proxad.net] has left #launchpad ["Hi,] === LarstiQ doesn't recally any recent cvs repo surgery [04:06] or might be a new bug :) [04:08] LarstiQ: okay, it passed now [04:08] probably it was a cvs commit race. [04:08] ddaa: thanks [04:08] it still going to be a while before the published branch gets updated [04:08] sorry about this [04:09] I'll be hacking on it once I'm done with the daily herding of new imports. [04:10] ddaa: is that mainly a cron issue? [04:11] cron? :) [04:11] it's a scheduling issue [04:11] we have a cronscript that runs every 10 mins, but it does not update all branches all the time [04:11] for reasons that I think are obvious :) [04:12] and up to now, we had no way to know that vcs-imports branch needed updating [04:12] well.. no reliable way [04:16] right === cprov-lunch is now known as cprov [04:18] one day, we'll have a daemon, and message-based system to have near-zero latency [04:20] ddaa: that would be sweet. Is there anyone going to work on that in the near future? [04:20] nope [04:20] there are many things we can do to improve the latency and the robustness of the system before this [04:21] BTW, it would be cool to have a system to get notifications from postgres. Something like "if a new row appears on this table, call this method". [04:21] kiko: do you know if such a thing is possible today? [04:21] just a trigger? [04:21] no, an application method [04:22] not a database method [04:22] otherwise we'd need another channel (xmlrpc presumably) for notifications, or we would have to poll the database. [04:22] none of which are extremely desirable [04:35] ddaa: barring the message-based system, what improvements to the latency can I expect? [04:36] For a CVS repo, we will have a sync every 12h, published within 10 mins after sync. [04:36] At some point during January. [04:36] we cannot increase the frequency too much because cscvs does not deal well with commits in progress [04:37] yet you can still get that race condition every sync? [04:37] yes [04:38] but it's rare [04:38] the problem is rather when the race condition occurs but is not detected [04:38] then the cvs commit can get imported as two bzr commits [04:39] though... good thing... the way importd is set up now, if the race is detected, the split commit is not recorded... [04:39] previously, in the case we just had, the split commit was recorded on the first attempt, and stored in the cscvs catalog permanently. [04:40] Which sucks because then the catalog cannot be rebuilt from scratch. [04:40] how does the 12h help? give the human more time for review? [04:40] reduces the amount of split commits we get [04:40] for some cvs repo, commit time can be quite long [04:40] like... hours... [04:41] the number of split commits we get in a time period is linear of the sync frequency, but grows explosively if the sync delay is not >> cvs commit duration. [04:42] something about cvs sucking really badly, you know... [04:42] svn is better behaved, so the default will be 6h. It's mostly bounded by some things that can be optimised in our system. [04:46] LarstiQ: also, for most of our use cases, we do not really need imports that up-to-date to the minute. === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch === geser [n=michael@dialin104077.justdsl.de] has joined #launchpad === Ppjet6_ [n=ppjet6@81.56.130.254] has joined #launchpad === salgado_ [n=salgado@201-0-108-246.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [05:11] ddaa: I understand, 6 hours would already be bearable for me [05:11] but blender is cvs :) [05:11] if I were master of the world... [05:12] I'd give an ultimatum to all the CVS users out there... [05:12] ddaa: well, I can't well advocate the usage of bzr without a good conversion to play with :) [05:13] "Please guys, get your act toghether and move into the third millenium. Anobody who's still running a CVS server next year will be put in jail." [05:13] mh [05:13] "next month" [05:13] If I were master of the world I would not be this patient :) [05:14] LarstiQ: I understand. And I'm working right now to fix the "one day latency" problem. [05:15] ddaa: it won't go down under 12h though, if I understood you [05:15] Well [05:15] On special request I will be able to set it to arbitrary values. [05:15] Like 'one week' ;-) [05:16] or "one hour" [05:16] then there will also be a UI to allow user to set it. [05:17] but this UI would depend on not running buildbot to schedule the imports. [05:17] (for complicated annoying reason that have to do with the limitation of buildbot) === carlos -> out [05:17] (throw in some "s" in the previous sentence) [05:18] If I don't see you next week. Merry Christmas and a happy new year! [05:18] LarstiQ: so, next month I'll be able to set blender to any reasonable sync interval, since there seem to be a good reason. [05:19] using database access superpowers [05:19] wee :) === ddaa goes back to coding [05:23] ddaa, I don't think so [05:24] can you ask jamesh to implement it next week? kthxbye! 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