[01:46] <_MMA_> troy_s: Are you around?
[02:18] <troy_s> _MMA_: ever so briefly... what's up?
[02:23] <_MMA_> troy_s: This is huwshimi. He's the Ubuntu Studio Art lead. He's also submitted art for Xubuntu in the past.
[02:23] <troy_s> ahh great.
[02:23] <troy_s> i am off for dinner... but i recognize him
[02:23] <huwshimi> troy_s: Hi
[02:23] <troy_s> hi you going to be around for awhile huwshimi ?
[02:23] <troy_s> must jet for now... back in a few.
[02:23] <huwshimi> _MMA_: Not Xubuntu , just Ubuntu
[02:24] <_MMA_> Oh..
[02:24] <huwshimi> troy_s: Yeah.
[02:24] <huwshimi> troy_s: I am from Australia, so It's 12:30pm ish here
[01:08] <sittisal> hey
[01:08] <sittisal> hello everybody
[01:09] <sittisal> troy_s, ping
[01:10] <sittisal> i think that for ubun2 look, whe should reconsider the black-gray and wood style...
[01:10] <sittisal> while i was looking at apple garageband...
[01:11] <sittisal> interface
[01:11] <sittisal> http://www.apple.com/ilife/garageband/
[01:37] <lapo> ciao
[02:21] <mhb> I agree with Frank on that one
[02:23] <mhb> too bad he's leaving but I would most likely do a similar thing if I were him
[03:21] <troy_s> mhb Frank Scheop?
[03:21] <mhb> troy_s: yes
[03:21] <troy_s> What about him leaving?
[03:22] <mhb> troy_s: Well I understand it from his last mail
[03:26] <troy_s> Yeah just read it... that stinks.
[03:35] <mhb> well, yes.
[03:36] <mhb> Disappointment is probably wide-spread across the whole team.
[03:39] <troy_s> Indeed.
[03:40] <mhb> you & the ubun2 folks try to gain respect by impressing the people (man) in charge, which is an interesting decision.
[03:41] <mhb> on the other hand there are people who either stop the activity or leave completely (which is basically what Frank decided to do)
[03:42] <mhb> and some (at least me) who would try to make the problem visible to the authorities by talking about it more
[03:44] <mhb> blogging about it, commenting it, bring it up on some community meetings etc.
[03:49] <mhb> leaving the team is a sign - but only if people know about it
[03:52] <troy_s> Actually
[03:52] <troy_s> I suspect your approach is possibly the most intelligent
[03:52] <troy_s> Hopefully you can gain a little momentum.
[03:53] <mhb> troy_s: well, too bad I don't have a blog :o)
[03:53] <mhb> troy_s: but I should write something
[03:54] <troy_s> Create a blog using some of the free ones.
[04:20] <troy_s> mhb I think the best thing is for everyone who is a little 'disappointed' with ubuntu art/design to really band together and organize a solid little campaign.
[04:20] <mhb> troy_s: yes, I vote for that too
[04:21] <mhb> troy_s: maybe an email in the ML will show how many people are willing to do the campaign
[04:22] <troy_s> Certainly not a horrible idea.  Perhaps find a few other folks like minded as you and make it a little more than apparent bikeshedding.
[04:25] <mhb> so, should I ask in the ML first or contacting the community (via forums, etc) right away?
[04:25] <mhb> I guess the best approach would be to ask around in the u-a ML first