[12:15] <Nontitle> it seems to be forcing the ISD V4 protocol and i have no clue what that is
[12:15] <Nontitle> this part might be more descriptive
[12:15] <Nontitle> 792. (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "eraser" (type: Wacom Eraser)
[12:15] <Nontitle> 793. (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "cursor" (type: Wacom Cursor)
[12:15] <Nontitle> 794. (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "stylus" (type: Wacom Stylus)
[12:16] <matthew_> Nontitle, yep, the new desktop thing...can't find info about it anywhere...just  that it's a revolutionary new desktop thing...lol
[12:16] <Nontitle> so go into the xorg and remove the line >>Option "Device" "/dev/wacom"
[12:16] <DFM> Anyone on the wifi please?
[12:16] <avalon> nods*
[12:16] <Nontitle> if you search KDE4 in google the first page should be the Roadmap for it
[12:17] <Nontitle> on kde.org
[12:17] <avalon> Okay here comes a reboot, wish me luck :)
[12:17] <Nontitle> i will
[12:17] <birge> anyone on the dvd problem?
[12:17] <Nontitle> i mean good luck
[12:18] <family> what might have changed to make it suck that control-alt-+ does not work
[12:19] <Nontitle> you must have multiple Display options in the Xorg.conf Screen section
[12:20] <Bubba_Gump> have problems with kde menu editor: I select the menu that I would like to use and then, kde menu reverts back or changes the menu around completely differently
[12:22] <hudsy> hi
[12:22] <Nontitle> hi
[12:22] <hudsy> i cant install java for firefox
[12:22] <hudsy> how can I?
[12:23] <hudsy> I've endabled universe and multiverse...
[12:23] <fiendskull9> hudsy: are you on AMDx86_64
[12:23] <hudsy> no
[12:23] <fiendskull9> hmm
[12:23] <fiendskull9> i have no idea
[12:25] <avalon> Almost there, one xorg error left
[12:25] <avalon> Fatal server error:
[12:25] <avalon> libc_wrapper error: passed invalid FILE handle to xf86fprintf
[12:26] <avalon> Any clue as to what that is?
[12:26] <phobiac> Okay this is getting really annoying. Whenever I do ./configure when trying to compile a package from source I get an issue with Qt that says: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[12:26] <phobiac> However I have Qt4, with all the dev packages.
[12:26] <phobiac> Dev and dev-tools.
[12:26] <aseigo> phobiac: what is $QTDIR set to?
[12:27] <phobiac> aseigo: How do I find out?
[12:27] <aseigo> phobiac: echo $QTDIR
[12:27] <Nontitle> where is avalon
[12:28] <avalon> Right here Nontitle :)
[12:28] <phobiac> Returns nothing
[12:28] <Nontitle> i think i might have found a solution
[12:28] <avalon> Whats that Nontitle? :)
[12:28] <Nontitle> change >>Option "Device" "/dev/wacom"<< with >>Option "Device" "/dev/input/event"
[12:29] <avalon> And select the event my touchscreen is attached to?
[12:29] <Nontitle>  # Change to # /dev/input/event # for USB # Tablet PC ONLY
[12:29] <matthew_> Nontitle, seems cool...but is it just another widget-er...like superkaramba? I know it said that was just the start of Plasma...but I don't see what else they are planning to do...
[12:29] <aseigo> phobiac: ah, wait, it's looking for qt3
[12:29] <aseigo> phobiac: not qt4
[12:29] <Nontitle> it's the comments from the xorg.conf file
[12:29] <aseigo> >=3.2 means qt3. qt4, while newer, doesn't actually fullfill that requirement
[12:29] <avalon> Or comment out the line?
[12:30] <phobiac> Isn't >= greater than or equal to?
[12:30] <Nontitle> >=3.2 means 3.2-3.9, although 3.9 isn't out
[12:30] <aseigo> phobiac: yes. but qt4 is not the same as qt3
[12:30] <phobiac> Oh okay
[12:30] <aseigo> phobiac: in this case it means, pedantically, "a version of qt3 >=3.2"
[12:30] <phobiac> So I'll try getting qt3 dev packages.
[12:30] <avalon> Lemme go a commenting and see Nontitle :)
[12:30] <aseigo> phobiac: that'll likely do it
[12:30] <phobiac> Thank you, I never would have figured that out.
[12:31] <avalon> Here we go again, reboot pending :)
[12:31] <Nontitle> kk
[12:32] <Admiral_Chicago> hello everyone
[12:32] <Nontitle> hi
[12:36] <max_> !flash
[12:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:36] <max_> !flashplayer
[12:36] <nuxil> !flash
[12:37] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:37] <nuxil> !boobs
[12:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about boobs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:37] <nuxil> :P
[12:37] <max_> !flash9
[12:37] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[12:37] <phobiac> The bot is a virgin
[12:37] <max_> !backports
[12:37] <nuxil> lol
[12:37] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[12:38] <Admiral_Chicago> !botabuse
[12:38] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[12:39] <Admiral_Chicago> to be honest i always do a /msg ubotu or I open a dialogue box
[12:39] <Admiral_Chicago> no i'm just saying that as a general rule max_  nothing agains you in general
[12:39] <Admiral_Chicago> just as information for the room
[12:40] <nuxil> your a boring admirale :p
[12:40] <Admiral_Chicago> :(
[12:41] <nuxil> no fun with bot :P
[12:41] <nuxil> jk
[12:41] <Admiral_Chicago> no just have him on /msg
[12:41] <hatta> you're own private bot chat
[12:41] <hatta> 4.99 a minute
[12:41] <nuxil> lol
[12:41] <lupine_85> s/he/it's not a rentbot you know :p
[12:41] <BrianSteffens> haha @ hatta
[12:41] <hatta> sorry lupine_85, I should have said "your"
[12:42] <lupine_85> grammar--
[12:43] <BrianSteffens> grammar = grammar * -1
[12:43] <ZeuGiRDoR> I've a problem with my bluetooth usb device: I can see my mobile phone using "hcitool scan", but the mobile phone can't find my pc
[12:44] <ZeuGiRDoR> and bluetooth obex client doesn't work..
[12:44] <max_> where do you put the files in the flash insaller/
[12:44] <phobiac> Okay another issue with compling.
[12:44] <phobiac> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[12:44] <phobiac> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[12:44] <phobiac> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[12:44] <family> can someone tell me what the name of the tecnology behinf control-alt-+
[12:44] <phobiac> I need kde devel right?
[12:44] <Admiral_Chicago> X server iirc
[12:44] <Nontitle> avalon still isn't back yet...
[12:45] <Nontitle> uh-oh, i think i broke his computer lol
[12:45] <max_> where do you put the files in the flash insaller?
[12:45] <ArrAKeeN> bye bye !
[12:46] <fdoving> nite.
[12:46] <phobiac> max_ You mean the flash plugin?
[12:46] <phobiac> The libflash.oji or something similar?
[12:46] <max_> yes
[12:46] <max_> no
[12:46] <max_> libflashpalyer.so
[12:47] <phobiac> max_ There should be a readme file that tells you where.
[12:47] <phobiac> Do you want it just for firefox/some other browser or system wide?
[12:47] <max_> firefox
[12:49] <phobiac> I'm pretty sure firefox is ~/.mozilla/plugins
[12:50] <family> nothing happens when I press control-alt-+ and xrandr does not work on the other resolution.  in xorg.conf I have multiple resolutoins for the 24 bit depth wich I use
[12:50] <loudawg> Hey guys I'm having an issue with Amarok where I'm trying to transfer music to my generic audio player (it's a UMS device), but every time I click Transfer the song(s) fail to copy and amarok gives me an error.  Yet I can manually copy stuff just fine.  Any ideas?
[12:53] <Lam_> can amarok and kate not read unicode? my unicode always comes up as those weird blackboxed question mark things
[12:54] <dwidmann> Lam_: What font are you using?
[12:54] <Lam_> dwidmann: sans serif apparently. what should i change it to ?
[12:54] <dwidmann> Not sure, try Dejavu Sans
[12:55] <HymnToLife> dwidmann, the Bitstream Vera fonts support anything you could dream of :p
[12:56] <HymnToLife> (that was for Lam_ sorry :p)
[12:56] <dwidmann> HymnToLife: Dejavu sans is based on Bitstream Vera, but I do believe it actually supports more languages...
[12:56] <dwidmann> or something of the such
[12:56] <Lam_> oh duh. the id3 tags are messed up
[12:56] <Lam_> no wonder why it won't read the unicode
[12:56] <CSonicGo> oh glee
[12:56] <dwidmann> Lam_: that certainly doesn't help
[12:57] <CSonicGo> I heard about some haxxors making an exploit in the ID3 tags
[12:57] <CSonicGo> :(
[12:57] <Lam_> hehe the font change worked. thanks for the help guys
[12:57] <dwidmann> no problem
[12:57] <CSonicGo> ogg rules
[12:58] <CSonicGo> for speech it's the best I've found
[12:58] <dwidmann> Speex?
[12:58] <CSonicGo> yes, and vorbis itself
[12:58] <CSonicGo> though I prefer vorbis for speech as it's clearer to me
[12:59] <dwidmann> Here's a killer: encode a 15 minute long track containing ten minutes of silence as an mp3, encode that same file with ogg. Compare file sizes.
[01:00] <thecrazylol> where can i get an output information with how much mhz my cpu is running?
[01:00] <dwidmann> cat /proc/cupinfo
[01:00] <dwidmann> **cpuinfo
[01:00] <dwidmann> That or the kinfocenter
[01:00] <thecrazylol> ah ok :) thx
[01:01] <dsheedy> do most ppl here use the stock kernels, or compile there own, I am just wondering seeing I have having so many issues with nvidia drivers and stock kernel
[01:01] <dwidmann> I use a stock kernel, compiling my own takes too long to be worth the effort.
[01:01] <morgajel_> hey guys
[01:02] <xenol> plz how cna i kill process? i pressed to kill and nothing happens
[01:02] <dwidmann> hey
[01:02] <lotusleaf> xenol: 'killall processname' at the command line
[01:02] <dwidmann> xenol: try this in konsole: sudo killall appname
[01:02] <morgajel_> dsheedy: I've spent a lot of time compiling different kernels and such and have played with quite a few settings.
[01:02] <dsheedy> kill -9 process#
[01:03] <lotusleaf> well, maybe he learned by killall ircclientname
[01:03] <dsheedy> lol
[01:03] <lotusleaf> :P
[01:03] <phobiac> xenol: Is one process eating up a lot of cpu?
[01:03] <HymnToLife> I use to compile kernels back in 2000, it made me feel s0 1337
[01:03] <dwidmann> If you have to deal with restricted modules, using stock kernels saves a lot of time...
[01:03] <lotusleaf> xenol: 'killall processname' at the command line
[01:03] <dsheedy> well I have been using gentoo and on they everything is compiled
[01:03] <HymnToLife> but really, unless you have very specific needs, the use of it is close to zero
[01:03] <lotusleaf> xenol: you should also look into using top and/or htop at the command line too, they're useful tool
[01:03] <HymnToLife> and unless you're using Gentoo, too :p
[01:03] <thecrazylol> what is the difference between beyond and stock?
[01:04] <dsheedy> lol
[01:04] <dsheedy> I would use the stock,if i could just get the nvidia-glx package to work
[01:04] <HymnToLife> dsheedy, have you tried installing drivers from nvidia.com ?
[01:04] <dwidmann> dsheedy: if that package won't work for you, you could always set it up yourself ... perhaps with envy?
[01:05] <HymnToLife> I have no problems with them
[01:05] <loudawg> yeah, having been a hardcore gentoo user for years until a couple of months ago when switching to ubuntu, I can agree  :-)
[01:05] <dsheedy> modules load, xorg.conf is correct, but it splashes the nvidia screen then locks
[01:05] <dsheedy> no i have not, but I will.
[01:05] <dwidmann> !envy | dsheedy
[01:05] <ubotu> dsheedy: envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy
[01:06] <dsheedy> ok thx
[01:06] <lupine_85> http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk
[01:06] <lupine_85> slightly less painful than envy; about as hackish (although in a less assumptions-making way)
[01:06] <dsheedy> I suppose I will need to download sources though
[01:07] <dsheedy> what is the package name?
[01:07] <lupine_85> no compilation
[01:07] <dwidmann> envy makes the process of setting up the drivers braindead easy
[01:07] <dsheedy> oh not even kernel module?
[01:07] <dsheedy> ok
[01:07] <lupine_85> not even a jot of compilation :p
[01:08] <dsheedy> ok trying, need to switch network cables over bbl.
[01:08] <HymnToLife> envy is so un-1337 :p
[01:18] <vladi> hi just installed kubuntu dapper amd64, whats the best way to upgrade to edgy?
[01:18] <hudsy> hi!!
[01:19] <hudsy> how can I install java for mozilla firefox??
[01:20] <loudawg> vladi:  since you just installed, why don't you just re-install over again with edgy?  That would be the best option in my opinion, and the fastest too
[01:21] <vladi> loudawg: i would but i dont have an edgy CD, and would prefer to upgrade if it was less of a d/l
[01:21] <vladi> if its the same it doesnt matter i spose
[01:22] <phobiac> vladi: Do you have a DVD burner and a spare DVD?
[01:22] <loudawg> vladi:  It's pretty much the same....it'll take way longer to update than to just download the edgy ISO.  The update requires like 550 megs or so of downloads anyway, so it's pointless
[01:23] <vladi> kk i'll do that then
[01:23] <vladi> ty
[01:24] <genii> matthew_ :)
[01:24] <matthew_> genii, hey...long time no see...can't chat much...I'm at work...
[01:24] <dominik> hello orld
[01:25] <dominik> hello world
[01:26] <genii> np Just checking in from home before I go into work for another allnighter LOL
[01:26] <matthew_> genii, do you know much about windows? I know...linux only in this channel...
[01:26] <genii> matthew_ I have to deal with all OS, so yeah
[01:27] <matthew_> genii, ok...is it cool if you help me w/ some problems? we can do it through pm...
[01:27] <phobiac> Hmmm. Okay I was finally succesful in compling screenkast from source, however now I have another issue. I did make install, and it installed without giving me errors, however not I have no idea how to use it. Looking at the output from make install it says it created directories and files in /usr however doing the commanded "screenkast" does nothing.
[01:27] <genii> OK lemme see if I can open a separate channel
[01:28] <phobiac> matthew_ I know a little about windows, I might be able to help too if you need it.
[01:28] <matthew_> phobiac, cool...ok, h/o
[01:28] <phobiac> It was the only OS I used up until a few months ago.
[01:28] <matthew_> genii, you get my response?
[01:29] <matthew_> !register
[01:29] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[01:29] <genii> no :(  Wait a minute or 2 and I'll boot up mu home irc server and give you the addie
[01:30] <genii> Some shortcoming of chatzilla I think
[01:31] <genii> my nick is already registered btw
[01:31] <phobiac> I can start up a channel if you need it. At least when I join an empty channel it still works for me.
[01:32] <touch> Okay, I'm officially lost. I've tried using the default wacom entries in the xorg.conf to make my touchscreen work, that didn't work, I've loaded a second driver, added it to xorg.conf and that didn't work.. how do I get this thing to at least accept there's a touchscree?
[01:33] <touch> Err.. touchscreen that is
[01:34] <genii> matthew_ OK, go by irc to kaulbach.torfree.net   channel #ubuntu
[01:34] <genii> Anyone else is welcome also to discuss the windows thing :)
[01:34] <ubuntu> where should i install GRUB to?
[01:35] <phobiac> ubunutu: Grub should already be installed, what exactly is your problem?
[01:35] <ubuntu> i'm just in the installer and it says (hd0) for grub and lets me change it. just wondering if i should leave it there?
[01:36] <phobiac> ubuntu: Leave it
[01:36] <ubuntu> phobiac: thanks
[01:36] <phobiac> Grub is your boot menu
[01:36] <ubuntu> what is hd0?
[01:36] <phobiac> A partition on your drive
[01:36] <genii> hd0=hda
[01:37] <ubuntu> oh
[01:37] <phobiac> Your hard drive can be segmented into different sections.
[01:37] <ubuntu> so say i wanted to install onto a disk other than hda?
[01:37] <genii> hd(0,1)=hda1  etc
[01:37] <phobiac> One thing that's good for is if your have another operation system on the hard drive, you can keep them form messing each other up.
[01:37] <ubuntu> would i want to make sure grub was on that one?
[01:38] <genii> ubuntu usually master mbr is best
[01:38] <phobiac> I think grub works no matter where it is, but it's probably safest to let it install where it wants to.
[01:38] <ubuntu> ok thanks ^^
[01:39] <dominik> can someone tell me how to see all the processes running on the computer??
[01:39] <phobiac> Dominik, top works but I can't figure out how to scroll through the list of processes.
[01:39] <ubuntu> System->KSysGuard works for me
[01:39] <genii> matthew_ If you have probs with getting to it by domain name try 72.0.72.232
[01:39] <JohnFlux> meow
[01:40] <dominik> i would like to disable  some services that are not neccessary for my configuration
[01:40] <JohnFlux> dominik: don't trust ksysguard/top to judge the amount of memory a process uses
[01:40] <JohnFlux> they outright lie ;-)
[01:41] <JohnFlux> dominik: only way really is to run free, run the process, then run free again and compare the difference
[01:41] <dominik> hmm
[01:42] <touch> Okay, I'm officially lost. I've tried using the default wacom entries in the xorg.conf to make my touchscreen work, that didn't work, I've loaded a second driver, added it to xorg.conf and that didn't work.. how do I get this thing to at least accept there's a touchscree?
[01:42] <genii> touch are you using a mouse as well or just the touchscreen?
[01:42] <touch> Mouse and Monitor, but I'd be willing to kerchuck the mouse
[01:42] <dominik> i hate to refer to Windows here, but on windows, you can go to services and disable all those processes that run on startup...is there anyway I can acieve the same thing with linux??
[01:43] <genii> if no mouse you could just symlink /dev/mouse to the wacom dev
[01:43] <touch> How would I do that?
[01:43] <genii> touch Do you know what the wacom device name is?
[01:44] <Nontitle> touch: aren't you avalon?
[01:44] <phobiac> dominik: I know there is a way to do that, give me a second.
[01:44] <hudsy> how can I install java for mozilla firefox??
[01:44] <phobiac> hudsy: Have you looked for guides on google?
[01:44] <touch> It's just whatever comes in default in the xorg.conf file. It's called Wacom Eraser, Stylus, and Touchscreen respectively. Yup Nontitle, ya got me ;)
[01:44] <hudsy> yes....
[01:44] <genii> dominik in /etc/default there are entries for what runs. In the file for what you don't want to start just change to No from Yes
[01:47] <hudsy> but i cant find nothing that installs correctly java in kubuntu...
[01:47] <phobiac> dominik:Do what genii said^
[01:47] <CSonicGo> how do I run a python program?
[01:47] <CSonicGo> :(
[01:47] <touch> I"m just trying to force it to show me some kinda action as a touchscreen genii
[01:47] <CSonicGo> !python
[01:47] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.4.3-11ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 208 kB
[01:47] <phobiac> Hudsy: I don't know how to help you, I've had issues with getting it working myself and I've just given up.
[01:47] <phobiac> CSonicGo: Just a guess, but do you have the packages needed to handle python scripts?
[01:47] <touch> Any ideas genii?
[01:47] <dominik> phobiac, genii: cheers guys, let me try that..
[01:47] <CSonicGo> well, I guess so
[01:47] <genii> touch Sorry, can't be of much help then right now :( I'd have to ddelve into what model you have, what dev entry it should be etc etc
[01:47] <graft> yo, anyone got these GL visualizations working in amarok? like 'nastyfft' and such?
[01:47] <touch> LOL, aright thanks anyways.. a googling I go
[01:47] <phobiac> CSonicGo: Open up adept or synaptic and search python. They might not be installed.
[01:48] <matthew_> genii, sorry to be so rude, but I had to help some customers...will you be available in about 30 minutes?
[01:48] <Sanne> CSonicGo: if I may jump in... what are you trying to do with python?
[01:48] <CSonicGo> how do I run a python program? do I type "python" "
[01:48] <CSonicGo> I was trying to run this pygame thing
[01:48] <Sanne> CSonicGo: python filename.py
[01:48] <phobiac> CSonicGo: If the packages are installed to handle it, you should be able to just double click the script.
[01:48] <CSonicGo> it opens up "kate"
[01:49] <phobiac> Oh, guess not then. Try what Sanne said.
[01:49] <Sanne> CSonicGo: ah, pygame... you have a game written in pygame and want to run it? If so, you also need to have the pygame support packages installed.
[01:49] <CSonicGo> :/
[01:49] <CSonicGo> I got that
[01:49] <genii> matthew_ np, I understand yer at work :) I'll be around. May be at work myself by then actually. I just meant to check in at home then go there afterwards actually LOL
[01:49] <genii> matthew my home irc box will be on now so can still meet there if neccesary
[01:49] <phobiac> graft: Nastfft doesn't work for me but some of the others like Jess do.
[01:49] <Sanne> CSonicGo: let's see if oython is running, please type 'python' in a konsole and paste the output to paste.ubuntu-nl.org.
[01:50] <graft> phobiac: yeah, all the ones that don't use opengl libs work...
[01:50] <CSonicGo> it is running, I see the problem now
[01:50] <graft> and for some reason gdkpixbuf does nothing
[01:50] <CSonicGo> the files the script is calling for are lowercase
[01:50] <CSonicGo> and they should be uppercase
[01:51] <genii> matthew_ Incidentally home irc box = ubuntu server 6.06 :)
[01:51] <Sanne> CSonicGo: darn, another Windows nastiness, eh? ;)
[01:51] <phobiac> graft: I don't know enough about it to really be of any help. Sorry. :/
[01:51] <CSonicGo> YES. :(
[01:51] <Sanne> CSonicGo: do you have many files to rename? If so, I might have a tip for you.
[01:51] <graft> phobiac: damn you!!! DAAMNNN YOOOOUUUU!!!
[01:51] <graft> phobiac: err, i mean, no prob, bra :P
[01:51] <genii> heh
[01:51] <phobiac> lol
[01:52] <CSonicGo> yes
[01:52] <CSonicGo> tell me this "tip" heh
[01:53] <Sanne> CSonicGo: you can rename all files in a folder with the console program 'rename'. Type 'man rename', there is an example to change from upper- to lowercase there. If you get stuck, shout ;)
[01:53] <genii> OK, leaving now and will return ~0 mins
[01:53] <CSonicGo> oh ok yay
[01:53] <genii> ~30 mins even
[01:53] <dominik> good nighteveryone, talk to you guys again soon :-)
[01:54] <genii> matthew_ see you in a bit
[01:56] <CSonicGo> Unrecognized character \xE2 at (eval 1) line 1.
[01:56] <CSonicGo> O_o
[01:57] <CSonicGo> oh shoot, I have numbers in these filenames.
[01:57] <adam> super, udao mi si wszystko ustawi
[01:58] <prak> can anyone suggest how to install win32 codecs on kubuntu edgy eft?
[01:59] <Hawkwind> phobiac: I am for a minute, yes
[02:00] <phobiac> Hawkwind: I'm good now. You said yesterday that you had screenkast in your repo, but I added the lines to my sources.list and updated and couldn't find it with adept.
[02:00] <phobiac> However I succesfully complied it so now my only problem is using it. :D
[02:00] <Hawkwind> phobiac: Yeah, forgot it was for Dapper only.  I never did rebuild them for Edgy
[02:01] <phobiac> Hawkwind: S'kay
[02:08] <prak> can anyone suggest how to install win32 codecs on kubuntu edgy eft?
[02:08] <avalon> How do I repair this error in xorg?
[02:08] <avalon> Fatal server error:
[02:08] <avalon> libc_wrapper error: passed invalid FILE handle to xf86fprintf
[02:09] <phobiac> prak: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75278
[02:10] <phobiac> No idea if it works
[02:11] <Hawkwind> !codecs | prak
[02:11] <ubotu> prak: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:20] <danny500> #wesnoth
[02:39] <tzbishop> How do I enable Java in Konqueror?
[02:40] <tzbishop> Java is installed and working on firefox2. I am pointing Konqueror to search /usr/lib/firefox/plugins for plugins (where libjava is) but I am unable to play Java applets
[02:42] <sirjinx> Hi
[02:42] <sirjinx> Can someone help me with my mouse?
[02:43] <sirjinx> I'm using a laptop, and I plugged in a second mouse. For some reason, after a while, it always starts to lag. Like, it doesn't move smoothly. But, the touchpad is just fine.
[02:48] <alex_> I am playing a DVD with kaffeine but am unable to get subtitles ? How can I get them ?
[03:04] <juniemoon> hey everybody
[03:04] <lakhia> How can I find out if my webcam will work with Kubuntu 6,10?
[03:05] <Whopper> hi
[03:05] <juniemoon> I'm trying to get my mother on kubuntu, but am having some resolution problems
[03:05] <lakhia> hi
[03:05] <Whopper> does anyone have updated code that should be in sources.list?
[03:05] <Whopper> link?
[03:05] <juniemoon> I have a benq t705 monitor and a voodoo3 (rev 01) graphics card
[03:05] <juniemoon> but I can't get resolution higher than 800x600
[03:06] <avalon> Aside from Canoical, is there any pay site I could contact to get one time support for a problem?
[03:06] <lakhia> Whopper: try: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[03:08] <Whopper> lakhia: thanks :P
[03:08] <juniemoon> i've tried the suggestions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto but nothing seems to work
[03:08] <juniemoon> anyone have any ideas?
[03:13] <matthew_> juniemoon, what's the problem?
[03:13] <juniemoon> matthew_, i can't figure out how to get a higher resolution for my display
[03:14] <juniemoon> I'm stuck at 800x600 on a 17-inch monitor
[03:14] <Alter-Ego> you tried system settings ?
[03:14] <matthew_> juniemoon, ok...I think I know what to do...
[03:15] <juniemoon> alter-ego, yes, and i've tried multiple modifications to my xorg.conf file
[03:15] <juniemoon> nothing seems to work
[03:15] <matthew_> juniemoon, go into the Kmenu->System Settings->Monitor and Display
[03:15] <juniemoon> yep, I'm there
[03:16] <matthew_> juniemoon, ok...now click the "Administrator" button and input your password
[03:16] <juniemoon> highest is 800x600, lowest is 640x480
[03:16] <matthew_> juniemoon, Now, go into the hardware tab
[03:17] <juniemoon> yep, "tdfx" card and "plug and play" monitor
[03:17] <matthew_> juniemoon, ok, you need to "Configure" your monitor
[03:17] <matthew_> juniemoon, click configure and go into "Generic Monitors"
[03:18] <matthew_> juniemoon, still with me?
[03:18] <juniemoon> matthew, what next?
[03:19] <juniemoon> yep
[03:19] <matthew_> juniemoon, now, just select a resolution/frequency that you know your monitor will support
[03:21] <juniemoon> matthew, how do i know if i should pick 60/70 Hz ?
[03:22] <matthew_> juniemoon, the lowest possible is 60Hz...but if you're using a CRT monitor, you'll get flicker in the corners of your eyes...
[03:22] <matthew_> juniemoon, I would try at around 1024x768 @ 70Hz to start out...
[03:22] <CSonicGo> ?
[03:22] <CSonicGo> I'm on 60 Hz and I don't notice flicker :/
[03:23] <CSonicGo> then again my monitor is old
[03:23] <matthew_> CSonicGo, are you using an LCD monitor?
[03:23] <CSonicGo> no
[03:23] <matthew_> guess not
[03:23] <matthew_> CSonicGo, hmmm, if you stare at the middle of the screen, you don't get flicker in the corners?
[03:23] <matthew_> juniemoon, everything go ok?
[03:23] <CSonicGo> not really, i'ts only 14 inch monitor heh
[03:24] <matthew_> CSonicGo, hmm, weird...
[03:24] <CSonicGo> well it is dark in here so maybe that's why
[03:24] <hagabaka> i wish the kubuntu install CD had kde games
[03:24] <matthew_> CSonicGo, for some people (like me) 60Hz can cause eyestrain...
[03:24] <juniemoon> matthew_, not sure
[03:24] <hagabaka> then waiting for fsck wouldn't be so boring
[03:24] <juniemoon> the "test" is a little odd...
[03:24] <matthew_> juniemoon, you shouldn't notice any differences yet...don't use test
[03:24] <juniemoon> okay
[03:25] <matthew_> juniemoon, at this point, you need to log out...hit ALT+E....then log back in...
[03:25] <juniemoon> so i'll just apply and restart x?
[03:25] <Sanne> CSonicGo: some people are less sensitive to flicker. My hisband, for example, also notices nothing at 60Hz, while I'm getting headaches after a short time.
[03:25] <juniemoon> gotcha
[03:25] <juniemoon> back in a second
[03:25] <CSonicGo> oh
[03:25] <Sanne> s/hisband/husband (lol)
[03:25] <matthew_> Sanne, whoa, a girl in a linux channel?!?!? lol, jk
[03:25] <CSonicGo> anything 50 Hz or below I'll notice flicker
[03:25] <CSonicGo> or a new Monitor
[03:25] <Sanne> matthew_: we are more numorous than you think *evil laughter*
[03:25] <CSonicGo> heh
[03:26] <CSonicGo> Girls on the internets?!
[03:26] <CSonicGo> heh
[03:26] <Sanne> and some of us also can type *sigh*
[03:26] <matthew_> Sanne, sure hope so!
[03:26] <CSonicGo> hehe
[03:26] <coreymon77> okay everyone
[03:27] <matthew_> juniemoon, how'd it go?
[03:27] <juniemoon> no good
[03:27] <juniemoon> seems my changes didn't stick
[03:27] <juniemoon> lemme try again
[03:27] <matthew_> juniemoon, no, now you have to alter the resolution in the settings panel
[03:28] <family> hey, in firefox, when I print, the heading is cut off.  how can I fix this?
[03:28] <coreymon77> my friend Whopper here is a little shy here in this channel
[03:28] <juniemoon> matthew, cool
[03:28] <juniemoon> one more x restart
[03:28] <coreymon77> how about we all give him a welcome to kubuntu and make him feel at home here?
[03:28] <CSonicGo> hi Whopper
[03:28] <Whopper> aww :P
[03:28] <Sanne> welcome Whopper :)
[03:29] <Whopper> coreymon77: thanks :P
[03:29] <coreymon77> no problem
[03:29] <Whopper> idk, coreymon brainwashed me into switching from doze
[03:29] <coreymon77> brainwashed?
[03:29] <coreymon77> i showed you the light
[03:29] <matthew_> Whopper, congradulations on the recent brainwashing...
[03:29] <CSonicGo> XD
[03:29] <Whopper> lol
[03:30] <Sanne> Whopper: your brain has been washed clean of years of indoctrination? ;)
[03:30] <fierce> Hey all.. this is gonna sound very stupid, but, I clicked an .ogg file, and its playing it now in KDE, but apparently in NO application
[03:30] <fierce> nothing opened up, like a XMMS or amarok
[03:30] <fierce> and i cant stop it
[03:30] <coreymon77> i brought you to the light side
[03:30] <coreymon77> ya
[03:30] <matthew_> Whopper, have any problems so far that you can't solve?
[03:30] <coreymon77> that kind fo brainwashing
[03:30] <Whopper> matthew_: nope
[03:30] <coreymon77> well, hes been a little shy to ask in here
[03:30] <matthew_> Whopper, very cool!
[03:30] <coreymon77> so hes just asked me for help with his problem
[03:30] <coreymon77> s
[03:30] <matthew_> coreymon77, gotcha...
[03:31] <Whopper> lol...
[03:31] <coreymon77> im just trying to get himn to feel more comfortable in this channel
[03:31] <coreymon77> hes used to the ##windows channel
[03:31] <coreymon77> where people arent nearly as nice, friendly and ready to help
[03:31] <matthew_> coreymon77, there is such a channel?
[03:31] <juniemoon> matthew, no luck
[03:31] <coreymon77> im trying to show him that thats not the case in this channel
[03:31] <Whopper> sadly yes :S
[03:31] <matthew_> juniemoon, hmmm, did you restart the Xserver?
[03:31] <coreymon77> matthew_: its not an official channel
[03:32] <Whopper> well...
[03:32] <coreymon77> but yes, there is one
[03:32] <juniemoon> restarted x, and then the logon was way off center
[03:32] <Whopper> the channel is much smaller then this
[03:32] <matthew_> juniemoon, and you went back into the Display settings?
[03:32] <juniemoon> yep
[03:32] <juniemoon> before rebooting
[03:32] <coreymon77> just lets all make sure that he feels comfortable here okay?
[03:32] <juniemoon> so I changed to generic monitor, then changed the resolution
[03:33] <juniemoon> then restarted x, and couldn't get into my account
[03:33] <matthew_> juniemoon, hmmm, how could you not get into your account?
[03:33] <juniemoon> had to go into recovery mode and restore my xorg.conf
[03:33] <juniemoon> the logon screen was messed up
[03:34] <ceefour> morning..
[03:34] <juniemoon> off center, with the mouse not corresponding to the screen
[03:34] <matthew_> juniemoon, you had overscan (the screen was bigger than the monitor)?
[03:34] <matthew_> juniemoon, hmmm, sorry that didn't work for you.
[03:34] <juniemoon> yes
[03:37] <matthew_> genii!
[03:37] <matthew_> lol, kinda desperate...
[03:37] <genii> matthew_ Heyas...I'm at work now...boss is here so not on usual box etc... I'll help as possible
[03:38] <matthew_> genii, np
[03:40] <genii> matthew_ OK I'm logged onto the home irc again if you like to meet there for windoze specific stuff etc
[03:40] <matthew_> genii, ok, what's the address again?
[03:41] <genii> matthew_ kaulbach.torfree.net channel #ubuntu       or if FQDN no good try by ip 72.0.72.232
[03:41] <genii> others are welcome there also :)
[03:43] <matthew_> genii, ok, I'm there...
[03:54] <compilerwriter2> anyone here
[03:58] <matthew_> compilerwriter, I am here
[03:59] <matthew_> hey BrianSteffens
[04:00] <BrianSteffens> hi matthew_
[04:01] <matthew_> BrianSteffens, what's up?
[04:02] <BrianSteffens> matthew_ thinking about trying dapper.. still trying to get windows to resize and move smoothly hehe
[04:02] <matthew_> BrianSteffens, lol, I'm not much help there...
[04:02] <ceefour> hi would anyone help me with USB on kubuntu edgy?
[04:03] <BrianSteffens> matthew_ hehe i wouldn't be so picky about it if i didn't have a pretty nice new computer and want it to look great haha
[04:03] <matthew_> BrianSteffens, I know what you mean
[04:03] <matthew_> ceefour, what's the problem?
[04:06] <Sanne> bye all
[04:07] <ceefour> matt, flashdisk can't be detected upon first login
[04:07] <compilerwriter2> What is your problem with usb in edy ceefour
[04:07] <ceefour> i have to logout and relogin, then usbdrive is detected. very weird. that's the simpler problem.
[04:07] <compilerwriter2> sounds like you have a daemon that is only operational at login.
[04:08] <ceefour> although when i go to syslog, it seems the usb is detected. but it doesn't mount automatically
[04:08] <bhawns> Hello outhere
[04:08] <compilerwriter2> can you mount it manually
[04:09] <ceefour> when i first reboot my PC. i have to logout first (I setup my PC to auto-login). then relogin. (I also setup so that I can login without password, although I do have password)
[04:09] <ceefour> I don't really know how to manually mount a usb. I'm not a linux geek.
[04:09] <matthew_> ceefour, I'm talking in other channels...to get an alert, I need you to use my full username. (hint, use tab to autocomplete any username)
[04:09] <ceefour> okay matthew_
[04:09] <matthew_> ceefour, ummm, are you using dapper or edgy?
[04:10] <bhawns> folks how is linux world doing?
[04:10] <compilerwriter2> matthew_: I thing he said edgy
[04:10] <ceefour> matthew_: kubuntue dgy 6.10
[04:10] <ceefour> matthew_: i used dapper previously and had no problems with usb at all. even inside vmware (more this on later)
[04:10] <bhawns> just joined to say hello and a merry christmas to all
[04:11] <ceefour> merry christmas too bhawns
[04:11] <matthew_> ceefour, hmmm, I don't know...I'm having the same problem...although I  think it's just my hub...lemme look around
[04:13] <ceefour> matthew_: you're having the same problem???
[04:13] <matthew_> ceefour, check this out...             http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1763339
[04:13] <matthew_> ceefour, oh wait, nvm...not appropriate
[04:14] <ceefour> matthew_: I don't use a hub. I connect directly to the USB port. And it's "detected" by the syslog. And it also shows up in /dev/bus/usb/devices. but it doesn't show up in KDE, you know in the desktop where USB drives usually show up
[04:14] <matthew_> ceefour,  the important (relative to you) is the second post
[04:14] <matthew_> ceefour, you may need to do sudo mount /dev/device  to mount the usb drive...
[04:14] <ceefour> matthew_: relogging in is a good workaround. but not a very convenient thing.
[04:14] <max_> !eyecandy
[04:14] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[04:15] <matthew_> ceefour, generally, USB drives start at sda1
[04:15] <bhawns> Any body knows where I can find modem comands for Kppp
[04:15] <ceefour> matthew_: I don't want to manually mount anything. I just want KDE to detect my USB and mount it for me.
[04:15] <BrianSteffens> ceefour: indeed, one of the best things about linux is -not- having to restart/relogin to get things to work like you have to do on windows haha
[04:15] <bhawns> Mine seem to disappeared
[04:15] <matthew_> ceefour, ok, looking around some more...
[04:15] <ceefour> matthew_: mine has a SATA drive so usb's start at sdb.
[04:15] <matthew_> ceefour, ok...
[04:16] <ceefour> BrianSteffens: yeah..... so it's kind of irony
[04:16] <BrianSteffens> ceefour: i understand what you mean about wanting it to work automatically, but i hope you don't plan on going very far in linux without getting into the command line a bit
[04:16] <matthew_> lol @ BrianSteffens: so true
[04:16] <ceefour> BrianSteffens: I would do anything in command line but to set things up. I don't want to go into the console everytime I boot up my PC or insert a USB disk. I mean like I insert a USB drive once a week?
[04:17] <compilerwriter2> ceefour: you have to use the command line once in a while.
[04:18] <matthew_> ceefour, ok, check this out....           http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=268550
[04:18] <ceefour> compilerwriter2: yeah I do use the command line to start up svnserve. I installed Subversion 1.4 manually (Edgy still uses Subversion 1.3) and I don't know how to 'daemonize' Subversion on every reboot (kind of Windows service). so I manually start svnserve using commandline
[04:18] <matthew_> ceefour, look at the 4th post
[04:18] <BrianSteffens> i love k3b lol
[04:18] <bhawns> Jah
[04:18] <bhawns> This is great
[04:19] <BrianSteffens> for once i can burn an ISO and not be all 'ack will it work? will it be bootable???'
[04:19] <matthew_> ceefour, think that'll work?
[04:20] <bhawns> Jah
[04:20] <genii> matthew_ cig/coffee break ..AFK
[04:21] <ceefour> matthew_: thanks. i think that'll work. but that's another workaround "mounting manually". I'd rather use my previous workaround which is logout and relogin.
[04:21] <ceefour> ceefour: the problem is that i also share my PC with my sister. and I don't really want her typing mount commands into console.
[04:21] <ceefour> atmatthew_ : the problem is that i also share my PC with my sister. and I don't really want her typing mount commands into console.
[04:21] <ceefour> matthew_ : the problem is that i also share my PC with my sister. and I don't really want her typing mount commands into console.
[04:22] <matthew_> ceefour, you can also put the command into a script and have that script execute on startup...
[04:22] <ceefour> matthew_: especially not with sudo (now I don't know how to make sudo into a script and automatically input my password?)
[04:22] <compilerwriter2> ceefour: just don't give her an account with superuser access
[04:22] <matthew_> ceefour,           http://www.smorgasbord.net/cant_automount_usb_device_in_dapper_no_device_created
[04:22] <ceefour> matthew_: execute what? I can't mount usb drive on startup because the drive isn't always plugged in.
[04:23] <matthew_> ceefour, good point...oooh, look what I found!           http://www.smorgasbord.net/cant_automount_usb_device_in_dapper_no_device_created
[04:24] <matthew_> ceefour, look at the first suggestion...he talks about "usbmount", which can be installed through synaptic....
[04:24] <ceefour> I really don't think it's because of usbmount......
[04:24] <ceefour> Besides, it works fine after reloggiing in
[04:25] <matthew_> ceefour, no, you can _install_ usbmount to get rid of this problem...
[04:25] <ceefour> And besides again, it worked fine in Dapper, but doesn't work fine in Edgy
[04:25] <matthew_> ceefour, are you sure that usbmount won't work?
[04:25] <ceefour> matthew_: the problem is. WITHOUT usbmount it WORKS. but after relogging in
[04:26] <matthew_> it doesn't?
[04:26] <compilerwriter2> ceefour: That is because Ubuntu goes about discovering everything usb during the login. USB Mount once installed will probably run some sort of damon that checks to see if you have plugged something in to the usb ports.
[04:26] <matthew_> thank you compilerwriter
[04:26] <matthew_> !attitude > ceefour
[04:27] <ceefour>  Thanks matthew_ for the noticee... I'm embarrased
[04:27] <matthew_> np
[04:27] <matthew_> ceefour, lol, I had someone do that to me in the public channel...*blushes*
[04:28] <matthew_> ceefour, have you tried usbmount?
[04:28] <compilerwriter2> !attitude > compilerwriter2
[04:28] <ceefour> matthew_: I'll try that when I get back home.
[04:28] <matthew_> ceefour, ok, let me know how it turns out
[04:29] <ceefour> matthew_: I'll also try turning off the auto-login feature to see if it's the culprit.
[04:29] <compilerwriter2> If it doesn't help you ceefour come back and we will try to sort it out another way.
[04:29] <ceefour> I'm here at work also using Kubuntu and Usbdrives are detected automatically upon first login. but I login manually,
[04:29] <ceefour> however.
[04:30] <ceefour> matthew_: compilerwriter2: it's rather an irony that a 5-year old WinXP does detect [most?]  USB drives without problems and a late 2006 Kubuntu Edgy doesn't really do so without some pulling hair :-P (no offense intended, but it's honestly how I feel)
[04:31] <matthew_> ceefour, I get that sometimes too...but then I remember how good it feels when it all _does_ work!
[04:32] <compilerwriter2> ceefour: I take no offense at it at all.  There is a windows daemon that detects this stuff even on old Winblows stuff.
[04:32] <compilerwriter2> That may be just what you are missing in edgy.
[04:34] <linopil> !autologon
[04:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autologon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:35] <matthew_> linopil, why do you want to do an autologon?
[04:35] <max_> anyone run beryl?
[04:35] <ceefour> compilerwriter2: matthew_: but there are bit some reasons why i want edgy over dapper. things like firefox2, for instance. i was wishing if edgy will have newer software versions like trac 0.10 or subversion 1.4 but was disappointed. and even ruby is still 1.8.4 :-(
[04:35] <linopil> matthew_,  simplicity reasons
[04:35] <linopil> not for me
[04:36] <linopil> ppl will be warned
[04:36] <ceefour> linopil: i also use autologin at home. you can set it up from Control Panel.. errr... system settings :-P
[04:36] <matthew_> linopil, for a linux know-nothing? (Grandma, husband, etc....?)
[04:36] <max_> anyone run beryl?
[04:36] <linopil> yes mathieu
[04:37] <linopil> yes matthew_
[04:37] <linopil> !autologin
[04:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autologin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:37] <matthew_> linopil, ok...Kmenu->System Settings->User Management
[04:37] <ceefour> linopil: what u want to know about autlogin?
[04:37] <linopil> tyvm
[04:37] <ceefour> matthew_: i also have problems with vmware. do you use it?
[04:37] <matthew_> linlin, np...
[04:38] <matthew_> ceefour, nope
[04:38] <matthew_> sorry
[04:38] <matthew_> linopil, np
[04:39] <ceefour> matthew_: well , in case you want to know. vmware has a weirder problem. when i plug usbdevice #1, it doesn't show up in Windows (inside VMware). but when I plug usbdevice #2 (I need to have at least 2 devices), the #1 shows up in windows. when I unplug device #1, device #2 shows up.
[04:39] <matthew_> ceefour, how very strange.
[04:39] <menace> whats the channel for windows help?
[04:39] <menace> cause windows is being an arse
[04:40] <matthew_> menace ##windows
[04:40] <menace> thanks matt
[04:40] <linopil> matthew_, user settings cant see auto login
[04:40] <matthew_> menace, np
[04:40] <matthew_> linopil, ok, lemme poke around a bit
[04:41] <matthew_> linopil, click the "Administrator" button and then "Modify" the user
[04:41] <matthew_> linopil, ok...that didn't work...h/o
[04:42] <linopil> no woriies
[04:42] <linopil> together we will find it
[04:42] <ceefour> matthew_: you know I've been several times when clicking the "Administrator" button doesn't show up the "sudo dialog box". weird.
[04:43] <matthew_> ceefour, it's a bug...
[04:43] <matthew_> ceefour, you can do sudo kcontrol or kdesu kcontrol insted
[04:43] <matthew_> instead
[04:43] <ceefour> matthew_: and I've also noticed that the windowing system in X/KDE is rather weird. sometimes you have a modal dialog box that actually go to the background, so the inactive window is actually hiding the modal dialog box. this never happens on windows AFAIK
[04:43] <genii> back with a Timmy's coffee :)
[04:44] <matthew_> linopil, ok, go into advanced in the System Settings window
[04:44] <genii> ceefour You can still use alt-tab to gain a window if it's been minimized but not on the bar etc
[04:44] <matthew_> linopil, it's under convenience
[04:45] <matthew_> linopil, work for you?
[04:45] <ceefour> genii: yep. you're right. but I think it's more intuitive if I can't click a window (it's disabled because of a modal dialog box) then the modal dialog box should be made foreground because otherwise I won't know why the heck this window is disabled
[04:46] <matthew_> linopil, you're using edgy, right?
[04:47] <linopil> right matthew_
[04:47] <matthew_> linopil, find the convenience tab?
[04:47] <linopil> got there will re ;;ogin to try
[04:47] <linopil> tyvm
[04:47] <matthew_> linopil, okey doke...np
[04:48] <linopil> l8r will see why flash sites crash my firefox. some hint is intel integrated gr.controller must be tuned
[04:49] <ceefour> thanks matthew_
[04:49] <matthew_> linopil, you'd probably have to talk to genii about that one
[04:49] <matthew_> np
[04:49] <matthew_> ceefour, np
[04:49] <genii> Anyone manage to successfully compile Conexant modem driver under Edgy yet?
[04:49] <linopil> is it #genii
[04:50] <matthew_> linopil, huh?
[04:50] <linopil> ah
[04:50] <genii> linopil no just genii :)
[04:50] <linopil> haha
[04:50] <matthew_> oh...lol, I got it! lol
[04:50] <linopil> I too have conexant modem into this
[04:51] <linopil> bbl
[04:51] <genii> linopil Under Dapper is no probs to compile but Edgy gives weird "flip is not a member of tty_struct" crap
[04:52] <genii> maybe I'll swap out dash as default shell for bash and see if it's related to that
[04:53] <TehKewl1> I have an ati radeon mobility and when I try to change resolution (eg, for a game), sometimes it works and most of the time the X server and kernel crash and leave me with a liney pattern on the screen
[04:54] <TehKewl1> and I have to force it off
[04:59] <sparr> can anyone recommend a media player that can play at increased speed without distorting the audio?
[05:00] <matthew_> !audacity > sparr
[05:00] <matthew_> It's not a media player...
[05:01] <matthew_> sparr, look in your private messages...
[05:01] <matthew_> or if you like...
[05:01] <genii> !audacity | sparr
[05:01] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4b-2.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1850 kB, installed size 5444 kB
[05:01] <matthew_> !audacity | sparr
[05:01] <sparr> if its not a media player, why do i care?
[05:01] <matthew_> genii, nice
[05:02] <matthew_> sparr, because you can use it to speed up the media...I think
[05:02] <sparr> audacity does video?
[05:02] <matthew_> sparr, no, I thought you wanted audio...
[05:02] <matthew_> !kino
[05:02] <sparr> i want both
[05:02] <ubotu> kino: Non-linear editor for Digital Video data. In component main, is extra. Version 0.90-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1093 kB, installed size 3860 kB
[05:02] <sparr> i dont really want an editor
[05:02] <sparr> i want it done in realtime
[05:02] <genii> As I gather the videos you play have distorted audio?
[05:02] <matthew_> sparr, ok...I don't know of anything else...sorry
[05:03] <sparr> genii: they do when i play them faster than normal
[05:03] <sparr> chipmunk style
[05:03] <genii> sparr I doubt there is something that will help with that
[05:04] <brian_> hm lol
[05:04] <genii> fast forward does not equal real-time
[05:04] <sparr> good point
[05:04] <sparr> faster than real time then  :)
[05:05] <BrianSteffens> i'm in dapper now.. the windows move very smooth. resizing borders is very smooth (actual content is still updated very slow).. but now the multiple selection rectangle on the desktop is unbelievably slow haha
[05:05] <sparr> someone says WMP can do it...  might have to get crossover set up
[05:06] <genii> Normally what will happen on fast-forward is you will get small bursts of sound at normal speed then it tries to sync again, plays another bit at regular speed etc
[05:06] <genii> but jisjointed
[05:06] <ceefour> btw I have a problem: skyrocket screensaver doesn't run on kubuntu edgy, anyone want to help?
[05:06] <genii> disjointed
[05:06] <ceefour> and also a few openGL screensavers. (some work though)
[05:07] <sparr> genii: id consider that a broken player anyways
[05:13] <genii> My other question: On a totally automated (headless) netboot install, anyone managed to chroot /target then do a HUP and have it restart network etc without hitting tftpboot then do sshd so accessible from serve?
[05:13] <matthew_> genii, lol, still no joy?
[05:14] <genii> matthew_ No, not yet...
[05:14] <matthew_> bummer
[05:15] <genii> I can't get it to chroot, though I can preseed it to do something like /target/bin/eject /cdrom
[05:15] <menace> whats the command to upgrade to edgy?
[05:16] <Kr4t05> menace: use Adept if you insist on upgrading. However, if at all possible, please do a fresh install.
[05:16] <menace> may i ask, why?
[05:17] <Kr4t05> menace: There are some changes in Edgy that can make upgrading a painful process, especially for inexperienced users.
[05:17] <Kr4t05> But... If you must...
[05:17] <menace> lol k
[05:18] <menace> thanks
[05:18] <Kr4t05> !upgrading > menace
[05:18] <matthew_> What does it mean when Kaffeine displays "Restoring Index...$Percentage"?
[05:19] <menace> it looks pretty simple kratos
[05:19] <Kr4t05> menace: Well, if you want to go through with it. :P
[05:20] <menace> lol
[05:20] <Kr4t05> matthew_: No clue.
[05:20] <Kr4t05> Does anyone know how to get KXDocker to work?
[05:20] <matthew_> Kr4t05, great...just what I wanted to hear!
[05:20] <Kr4t05> matthew_: Sorry. :/
[05:20] <matthew_> np, jk
[05:22] <hagabaka> how much does the root partition normally need to be?
[05:23] <max_> !dpkg
[05:23] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[05:23] <Kr4t05> hagabaka: About 2GB
[05:23] <Kr4t05> hagabaka: I would recommend about 5, though.
[05:23] <hagabaka> oh
[05:23] <Kr4t05> Unless you plan to make a second for /usr
[05:24] <matthew_> hagabaka, or for /home
[05:24] <Kr4t05> Well, either way.
[05:24] <hagabaka> i do plan to for /home, but not /usr
[05:24] <Kr4t05> I was lazy and made all 150GB  /
[05:24] <matthew_> what's the point of a /usr partition anyway?
[05:25] <Kr4t05> matthew_: If something happens to /, you still have most of your apps.
[05:25] <matthew_> Kr4t05, oh,  /usr is where the apps get installed?
[05:25] <genii> yes /usr/bin   /usr/sbin  and so on
[05:26] <hagabaka> is there a way to resize and move an "extended" parition?
[05:26] <matthew_> so, basically, just for insurance?
[05:26] <genii> global apps in /bin /sbin
[05:26] <Kr4t05> matthew_: Usually, like, most games install to /usr/local/games, or /usr/games
[05:26] <matthew_> doesn't that slow down access time?
[05:26] <Kr4t05> matthew_: If you have a relatively new drive and IDE channels, you should notice it.
[05:27] <Kr4t05> But, then, I plan to get SATA drives in the near future. :P
[05:27] <matthew_> Kr4t05, nice
[05:27] <hagabaka> i think probably more time is spent resolving the names to partitions
[05:27] <genii> Anyone know the score of NHL Toronto vs Chicago? I'm at work with no tv/radio etc etc
[05:28] <hagabaka> whether you partition them separately, there's still a large chance that the files will be located sparcely on the hard disk, so it shouldn't affect the access time due to that reason
[05:30] <genii> what interests me is why some ppl do things like setup a mirrored raid on 2 partitions belonging to the same hd for instance
[05:30] <matthew_> genii, rofl
[05:30] <genii> matthew_ I've seen it a few times now
[05:30] <Kr4t05> genii: Well, that would protect against file system corruption...
[05:31] <Kr4t05> True, physical disc failure would have you screwed.
[05:31] <Kr4t05> But, some people don't realize that hard drives fail.
[05:31] <genii> Kr4t05 But it wears the drive having to skip heads across the platter all the time
[05:31] <Kr4t05> Right...
[05:32] <Kr4t05> Like I say, some people aren't smart...
[05:32] <genii> I can see some scenario like 2 drives and like hda1 is mirrored to hdb2 and hdb1 is mirrored to hda2 but otherwise not
[05:33] <Kr4t05> Ok...
[05:34] <Kr4t05> So, I installed kxdocker and kxdocker-data, but I still get complaints about a corrupt kxdocker_conf.xml... I've downloaded the kxdocker-resources tarball and used the makefile in it to install everthing, but I still have no KXDocker! :/
[05:35] <darkkish_> this stupid internet
[05:35] <darkkish_> driving me farking nuts
[05:35] <Kr4t05> omg! teh stoopid internets!
[05:36] <genii> Yeah I had some major xml issues on debian/ubuntu systems. Weirdnesses with cpan etc for instance
[05:36] <genii> xml parser seems broken
[05:37] <Kr4t05> genii: That can be fixed?
[05:38] <genii> Kr4t05 I fixed it on a 6.06 server system by installing the binary xml parser package
[05:38] <darkkish_> wtf
[05:38] <darkkish_> i can't connect to aim
[05:38] <darkkish_> i can't connect to MSN
[05:38] <darkkish_> i can't connect to a website
[05:38] <darkkish_> so why is konversation working??
[05:39] <Rug> I have just reinstalled dapper (after hardware upgrade) and now my mouse isn't working.  PS2 mode and USB.  I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver but that didn't help.  Any ideas?
[05:39] <Kr4t05> genii: Could you give me a package name?
[05:39] <matthew_> Rug, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:39] <matthew_> not just xserver
[05:39] <genii> Kr4t05 gimme a few minutes
[05:40] <Kr4t05> Take your time...
[05:40] <Rug> matthew_: ok thanks.   Can you guess my name?
[05:40] <matthew_> deus?
[05:40] <matthew_> lol
[05:41] <Rug> Matthew -> Matt -> mat -> Rug
[05:41] <matthew_> Rug, nice
[05:43] <Rug> matthew_: no luck with the mouse.
[05:43] <genii> Kr4t05 in my case the package which helped resolve the parsing issue was perl related, your mileage may vary: libxml-grove-perl   and I had to put another for horde webmail: php-xml-parser
[05:44] <matthew_> rug, bummer
[05:44] <genii> hmm   05 O5
[05:44] <genii> O5 LOL
[05:44] <Rug> zero vs Oh
[05:44] <genii> :)
[05:45] <max_> can you change the way the login menu looks?
[05:45] <Rug> max_: yupp
[05:45] <genii> Kr5tO5 You may want to try rxp package
[05:45] <Rug> max_: try gnome-look.org
[05:45] <max_> im KDE
[05:45] <genii> arg
[05:46] <genii> Kr4tO5 You may want to try rxp package
[05:46] <max_> rug: im KDE
[05:47] <Rug> max_: same difference
[05:47] <T3hWiz0rd> can anyone tell me what this would mean coming from mount: 8197: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.)
[05:47] <T3hWiz0rd> SMB connection failed
[05:47] <genii> !rxp|Kr4tO5
[05:47] <ubotu> rxp: A validating XML parser. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.3-2 (edgy), package size 20 kB, installed size 80 kB
[05:48] <max_> rug: well whats it called?
[05:48] <Rug> kde-look.org
[05:49] <max_> rug: no i mean what is the login screenacctually called? what section of the site would it be
[05:49] <Hawkwind> KDM themes
[05:49] <Rug> max_: I don't know.  You can find the guides at the above-mentioned sites
[05:50] <Kr4t05> genii: Ty
[05:50] <genii> Kr4tO5 np, hope it helps
[05:51] <genii> arg is it a zero or an oh in your nick???
[05:51] <Kr4t05> zero
[05:51] <genii> OK, my fonts are weird hard to tell
[05:52] <Kr4t05> genii: And, sadly, that didn't work.
[05:52] <Kr4t05> I'm going to build from source and see if that fixes it.
[05:52] <genii> Kr4t05 OK, don't forget the ./configure to get the arch for debian right for paths tec
[05:52] <genii> tec=etc
[05:54] <genii> matthew_ Have you seen LDD at all?
[05:59] <stdin> another netsplit? woah
[05:59] <matthew_> stdin, did you see everyone quit then join again?
[05:59] <genii> Another user named LDD had a non-booting system with grub messed. I got his box booting again but he had another original issue with mysql whi
[05:59] <stdin> matthew_: yeah
[05:59] <genii> which wondering if got addressed etc
[06:00] <genii> Yes, annoying :)
[06:01] <matthew_> genii, ah, right...the guy with the tuner card...
[06:01] <genii> Damn, I am trying to apt-mirror the dapper distro from ca.archive.ubuntu.com but it seems hung for like 30 hours now
[06:01] <matthew_> stdin, what causes that?
[06:02] <stdin> !netsplit
[06:02] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[06:02] <stdin> it happens enough for the bot to have an explanation :p
[06:02] <genii> Of course 30.1Gb is quite a lot to d/l for sure
[06:05] <genii> 57K files
[06:05] <genii> !apt-mirror
[06:05] <ubotu> apt-mirror: APT sources mirroring tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.4-4ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 116 kB
[06:08] <genii> Still, should not take forever on OC3 line
[06:08] <genii> Maybe I hit their d/l quota after I mirrored edgy :)
[06:09] <matthew_> genii, nice
[06:10] <genii> matthew_ Hardly ever hit the 155Mb/s tho unless I'm directly connected to peer1
[06:10] <matthew_> genii, check your home irc, please
[06:15] <ceefour> !foobar
[06:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about foobar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:15] <ceefour> !freenode
[06:15] <ubotu> freenode is the IRC network that you're on! See http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
[06:15] <genii> heh
[06:16] <genii> !foo
[06:16] <ubotu> foo is barr
[06:16] <genii> :)
[06:16] <kevman> Man, efnet netsplit like an hour ago and its still not fixed.
[06:16] <max_> where do you put KDM themes?
[06:17] <genii> !barr
[06:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about barr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:17] <max_> !kdm themes
[06:17] <ubotu> kdm: X display manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 611 kB, installed size 1480 kB
[06:17] <genii> !ktheme
[06:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ktheme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:17] <genii> bleh
[06:18] <stdin> !theme
[06:18] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[06:18] <max_> stdin: where do you instyall them?
[06:18] <genii> stdin :)
[06:19] <Linux_Galore> max_: you dont, kcontrol will install them for you when you point it at the file
[06:19] <dannnnnnnn> ummmm i just lost my kde taskbar
[06:19] <kevman> Whoops.
[06:19] <dannnnnnnn> how do you get back into the configure screen
[06:20] <kevman> alt-tab?
[06:20] <dannnnnnnn> well no it wasnt open
[06:20] <dannnnnnnn> i just wanna open it from the run command
[06:20] <dannnnnnnn> whats it called
[06:20] <kevman> oh
[06:20] <kevman> run konqueror
[06:20] <Linux_Galore> dannnnnnnn: ?? kicker
[06:20] <Gide0n> hi
[06:20] <dannnnnnnn> oh ya kicker
[06:20] <Gide0n> good night everybody
[06:20] <dannnnnnnn> thanx
[06:20] <Gide0n> quick question
[06:21] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: times up
[06:21] <dannnnnnnn> ummm no that didnt work
[06:21] <Gide0n> is there a way to have the message you are quoting in the bottom
[06:21] <Gide0n> when you are replying a message in thunderbird?
[06:21] <Linux_Galore> dannnnnnnn: you can access the setting for kicker in kcontrol
[06:21] <Gide0n> or probably this is not the place to ask
[06:21] <dannnnnnnn> kcontrol thats right
[06:21] <dannnnnnnn> thanx alot
[06:22] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: yes that in the settings
[06:22] <max_> Linux_Galore: where at in kcontrol?
[06:22] <Gide0n> hm I've checked the settings
[06:22] <Gide0n> and couldn't find anything related to that
[06:22] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: its there, you can define your reply layout
[06:22] <dannnnnnnn> i found it
[06:22] <dannnnnnnn> nice man thanx
[06:23] <Gide0n> you mean the advanced options?
[06:23] <dannnnnnnn> cya
[06:23] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: no there is a section were you can set how your reply works
[06:23] <Gide0n> or is there a file that holds the settings?
[06:23] <Gide0n> ok I will look again
[06:24] <brian_> is there an option i can set to make window contents repaint faster?
[06:24] <Linux_Galore> I havent got Tbrid on this machine so I cant start it up to look, but I use it at work and its in there
[06:24] <kevman> Man, the more I use KDE the more I love it... And I've been using it for over two years
[06:24] <Gide0n> got it
[06:24] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: from memory it in the user account settings
[06:25] <Gide0n> Linux_Galore: thank you very much
[06:25] <Gide0n> yes I was looking in the rong place
[06:25] <BrianSteffens> no one else has problems with windows resizing jerkily?
[06:25] <kevman> I can't wait till KDE 4. Its coming out next week, right?
[06:25] <Gide0n> I was looking for that in the preferences
[06:25] <Gide0n> :P
[06:25] <Gide0n> Linux_Galore: but thank you for responding
[06:25] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: yeah, wont be in there
[06:26] <thev> Kubuntu is giving no love to my two HP printers - one laser, one inkjet.  Anyone have experience with setting up printers?
[06:26] <Gide0n> I am new to kubuntu
[06:26] <Gide0n> well new to linux period
[06:26] <thev> what really bugs me is they were both working when I tried it out a few months ago
[06:26] <max_> what is the terminal command for rename?
[06:26] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: there are some nice plugins to remove the senders rubbish from your reply too
[06:26] <BrianSteffens> max_ use mv
[06:26] <thev> and now when I come back with a fresh install they are both kaking out
[06:26] <stdin> max_: mv orig.file new.file
[06:26] <Gide0n> yeah, I tend to keep it simple but thank you
[06:26] <Gide0n> I might look into it
[06:27] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: just make the email more readable
[06:27] <Linux_Galore> makes*
[06:27] <Gide0n> although I've got to tell you that I love the fact that Gmail alows us to get free pop
[06:27] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: I remove indenting
[06:27] <stdin> btw, please don't top post :p
[06:27] <Gide0n> that is a good Idea
[06:27] <Gide0n> haven't thought of that
[06:27] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: thats actually an add on extension
[06:27] <thev> the laser does nothing when I try to print a test page, the inkjet printed a whole 1" of the top of the test page
[06:28] <Gide0n> I know you can even setup your own template and that sort of stuff with xml
[06:28] <thev> both are detected by the system
[06:28] <CVirus> kevman: KDE4 won't be released next week
[06:28] <Gide0n> but I hate spicing it up too much
[06:28] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: I often have long email with a long discussion and indenting just looks horrible
[06:28] <Gide0n> why overload the servers for just sending rubish
[06:28] <CVirus> kevman: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-4.0-release-plan.html
[06:28] <Gide0n> I'm already glad I can send a message
[06:28] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: most of the extensions I use are to "unspice" the email and make it simple and formal
[06:29] <Gide0n> yeap
[06:29] <Gide0n> sounds like something I might look into
[06:29] <Gide0n> I'm switching more and more of my clients now to Thunderbird
[06:29] <CVirus> kevman: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-4.0-features.html according to this page .. I guess it won't be released before at least 1.5 year
[06:29] <Gide0n> (I'm a tech)
[06:29] <Gide0n> :S
[06:29] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: the only other thing I use is a plugin that stops thunderbird spawning a new window when you accidentally double click on the inbox
[06:29] <CVirus> kevman: still long to go
[06:29] <Linux_Galore> folder
[06:30] <thev> GideOn: You find Thunderbird much better than Kontact?
[06:30] <Gide0n> hm. I don't really have that problem, (I'm using a touch pad)
[06:30] <Gide0n> yeah,
[06:30] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: thunderbird will spawn a new window if you are already in the inbox and double click on the folder
[06:30] <Gide0n> I like it better
[06:30] <thev> I've been using TB on WinXP for years.  I thought I'd give the "native" proggie a try in KDE
[06:30] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: very bloody annoying
[06:30] <thev> I'm on day 2, it seems alright
[06:31] <Gide0n> I mean I like Thunderbird better than Kontact
[06:31] <thev> if only I could get it to sync with my palm I'd be in heaven, actually
[06:31] <Gide0n> but it must be that I'm not used to kontact at all
[06:31] <hagabaka> thunderbird isn't native to KDE, if that's what you meant
[06:31] <Gide0n> I know
[06:31] <hagabaka> [00:32]  <thev> I've been using TB on WinXP for years.  I thought I'd give the "native" proggie a try in KDE
[06:31] <Linux_Galore> thev: kmail, yeah, have to learn everything from scrathc again. plus kmail is "part of the desktop" so it intergrates with everything like the pim manager
[06:31] <thev> hagabaka - no, Kontact being the native.  TB being the program I'm used to
[06:31] <Gide0n> and I admit that I am brand new to kde in general
[06:31] <hagabaka> i see
[06:32] <Gide0n> I liked browsing in links the other day
[06:32] <thev> The only thing it seemed to suck off the Palm was my contacts, which is a fine start... but I need access to my memos dammit
[06:32] <Gide0n> hahhaa
[06:32] <Linux_Galore> headache with thunderbird in kde is it doesnt intergrate well
[06:32] <Gide0n> if you want to talk about something weird
[06:32] <Gide0n> hahaha
[06:33] <Linux_Galore> I can use the kde pim manager with thunderbird for example
[06:33] <Linux_Galore> cant*
[06:33] <kevman> CVirus, I was kidding.
[06:33] <thev> Linux_Galore - I've been having many headaches with KDE/Linux in the past 2 days
[06:33] <Linux_Galore> so I have two lots of passwords and contact details managers
[06:33] <Gide0n> my only issue with the thunderbird / firefox deal and kde is that it always uses the gnome browser
[06:33] <thev> I'm getting them ironed out one by one, but it's slow going
[06:33] <Gide0n> when you open folders
[06:33] <thev> right now I'm desperate to get my printers working
[06:34] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: there is actually a add on to stop that
[06:34] <Gide0n> I haven't spent enought time researching how to change that
[06:34] <CVirus> kevman: now you've wasted my time because you were kidding
[06:34] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: forces the gtk apps to use the kde file manager
[06:34] <Gide0n> but I'd love to have it open in konqueror
[06:34] <Linux_Galore> wish the kubuntu people would add the gtk-kde file manager plugin
[06:35] <kevman> You'd love to have your time open in konqueror?
[06:35] <Gide0n> hm is there a howto concerning that?
[06:35] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: it on kde-apps.org
[06:35] <Linux_Galore> its*
[06:35] <Gide0n> thanks
[06:35] <Linux_Galore> see if I can find it
[06:35] <Gide0n> I will go there
[06:35] <Gide0n> I'm using kubuntu
[06:36] <Gide0n> so I might be able to even find something in the ubuntu forums
[06:37] <stdin> Gide0n: there is a kubuntu forum too, you know
[06:37] <robotgeek> there is, actually
[06:37] <Gide0n> I'm looking
[06:38] <thev> Anyone know why the multisync palm plugin is broken?
[06:38] <Linux_Galore> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=36077
[06:40] <thev> dammit.  My panel just crashed.   Very unimpressed.  Any way to revify it without restarting X?
[06:40] <Gide0n> I'm reading
[06:40] <robotgeek> thev: alt + f2, kicker
[06:41] <thev> robotgeek - thanks!
[06:41] <thev> urgh... it went tits up straight away that time
[06:41] <thev> I wonder what the problem is?
[06:41] <jita> why does my computer wont restart/shutdown sometimes. it just hangs on X and i have to reboot using cpu
[06:41] <ubuntu_> can someone answer me this, can you have a swap without putting it on a seperate partition?
[06:41] <Dr_willis> ubuntu_,  you can make a swap file if you want
[06:42] <Dr_willis> you can also have several swap partitios (or files) or mixx the 2 if you want
[06:42] <jita> ubuntu_: no
[06:42] <Gide0n> Linux_Galore: how do you download from the linx you just sent?
[06:42] <ubuntu_> any guides off the top of your head? im having issues with the live cd install partitioner not letting me make a swap since i have 4 primary partitions already
[06:42] <Dr_willis> The installer dosetn give any options for using a swap file by default however.
[06:42] <Dr_willis> google for linux swap file howto, perhaps.. learn how swap stuff works.
[06:42] <thev> would having Transparency enabled be causing the random crashes?
[06:42] <thev> I've had a couple
[06:43] <jita> is there any problem with ati fglrx driver, it wont restart the computer?
[06:43] <jita> it hangs with black screen of death
[06:43] <jita> :(
[06:43] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: I wouldnht use that unless your very familiar with Linux
[06:43] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: you have to manually edit a few things
[06:43] <ubuntu_> Dr_willis thanks, i will. I have 1 gig of ram so i may not need one anyway, just curious before finilizing my partition structure
[06:43] <Gide0n> hm
[06:43] <Gide0n> true
[06:44] <Gide0n> I might wait on that one
[06:44] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: really needs someone to package it
[06:44] <Gide0n> well I know how to package stuff
[06:44] <Dr_willis> ubuntu_,  i always make at least a 512mb swap on every hd i got. :P  i tend to use live cd's a lot on different machines.. and most of them will see the swap partitions
[06:44] <Gide0n> I have issues when it comes to dealing with dependencies
[06:46] <Linux_Galore> got my new monitor up and working -> http://users.tpg.com.au/abdserv6/DSC00406.JPG
[06:47] <Linux_Galore> genii: thats normal with technology
[06:47] <ubuntu_> I woulndt mind having a swap, but the graphical partitioner on this dapper live cd is being a pain, I want 2 linux installs + 1 Windows install and 1 shared drive and it wont let me create any more partitions after that even with free space
[06:47] <genii> :)
[06:47] <Gide0n> Linux_Galore:
[06:47] <Linux_Galore> genii: you sory of go with the option that's the least annoying
[06:47] <Gide0n> that is a cool monitor
[06:47] <Linux_Galore> sort*
[06:48] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: yeah birthday present from the missus
[06:48] <Gide0n> let me gues,,, a Toshiba Laptop (right next to it)
[06:48] <nixternal> ubuntu_: you are only allowed 4 primary partitions. that is your problem, i usually use 3 primary partions, and make the rest logical
[06:48] <Gide0n> in fact a Toshiba Satellite
[06:49] <Gide0n> must have something like a PIII
[06:49] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: yep
[06:49] <Gide0n> :P
[06:49] <Dr_willis> I tend to just use lots of hard drives with primaries on them all. :)
[06:49] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: running edgy
[06:49] <Gide0n> wow
[06:49] <Gide0n> I didn't know you were running linux on it
[06:49] <Gide0n> because I saw the icon for Google Earth
[06:49] <hagabaka> hmm
[06:49] <Gide0n> did Google earth come out for linux?
[06:49] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: yeah, you cant apt-get install google-earth
[06:50] <Gide0n> Plus I see internet explorer there
[06:50] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: ages ago its in the ubuntu repo
[06:50] <hagabaka> is it impossible to resize an extended partition while preserving the logical partitions in it, or is it just parted that doesn't have the feature?
[06:50] <Gide0n> hm
[06:50] <Gide0n> I will check it out
[06:50] <Gide0n> what does ages do?
[06:50] <ubuntu_> yeah, i figured out the 4, but it was choking if i tried to make a extended. I think i have it now, if not i will redo it with a better partition app
[06:50] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: heh heh, see the evil E icon on the desktop, yes that it IE
[06:50] <Linux_Galore> is*
[06:50] <Gide0n> excuse my completely sutpid question
[06:51] <Gide0n> yeah I managed to install Iexplore for linux the other night
[06:51] <Gide0n> but it runs on wine
[06:51] <Gide0n> :P
[06:51] <Linux_Galore> yeah, just for web site testing for me
[06:51] <Gide0n> same here
[06:51] <Gide0n> (webdesign)
[06:51] <Gide0n> I have to kind of see what the moron will show
[06:52] <Linux_Galore> my bank and all my online stuff work fine with ff
[06:52] <Linux_Galore> ff = firefox
[06:52] <Linux_Galore> ages ago = a long time
[06:52] <hagabaka> i hate sites that work in ie and firefox but no other browsers
[06:52] <stdin> some designers are dumb, and only make pages that work with ie
[06:52] <Gide0n> yes I understood
[06:52] <Linux_Galore> hagabaka: ooh like crapra
[06:52] <Gide0n> I tried just now (sudo apt-get install ages)
[06:53] <Linux_Galore> oops Opera
[06:53] <hagabaka> konqueror too
[06:53] <Gide0n> and I have all (multiverse, universe and all that) enabled
[06:53] <Gide0n> hm
[06:53] <hagabaka> a lot of times it's just a useragent string
[06:54] <Linux_Galore> well I find the reason that Konqeuror often doesnt work has nothing to do with the website, its because how konqueror manages java script that the site fails
[06:54] <hagabaka> how is it different?
[06:55] <Linux_Galore> hagabaka: no konqueror as has some insane issues with java script and how it deals with it
[06:55] <Gide0n> oh....
[06:55] <Gide0n> crap
[06:55] <Gide0n> (excuse my missunderstanding(
[06:55] <Gide0n> )
[06:55] <Gide0n> never mind
[06:55] <ubuntu_> any kubuntu users go to feisty yet?
[06:55] <hagabaka> it may be an issue, but a lot of sites do assume the only two modern browsers are mozilla and ie. like gmail
[06:56] <dannnnnnnn> how do i run a .bin file in konsole
[06:56] <ubuntu_> dannnnnnnn you have to set it exectuable first most likely
[06:56] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu naw , Im still recover from the early adoption of edgy, I still have a few bald spots were I pulled my hair out
[06:56] <Linux_Galore> recovering*
[06:56] <dannnnnnnn> oh ay how do u do taht
[06:56] <hagabaka> after i fake the UA string, gmail gives me the standard view, and then it *usually* works in konqueror
[06:57] <ubuntu_> lol, feisty is what caused me to be here, tried updating and hosed my install so I just started over
[06:57] <hagabaka> dannnnnnnn: what kind of file is the bin file?
[06:57] <Gide0n> hey fellow penguis, how can I upgrade to kubuntu 6.10?
[06:57] <dannnnnnnn> its the jre
[06:57] <dannnnnnnn> for firefox
[06:57] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu you have to be slightly insane to update before the stable release
[06:57] <ubuntu_> dannnnn you can do it graphically by navigating to it and right click -> properties -. check exxecute under owner
[06:57] <stdin> !upgrade | Gide0n:
[06:57] <ubotu> Gide0n:: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[06:57] <Gide0n> oh
[06:57] <dannnnnnnn> oh ok
[06:57] <dannnnnnnn> hold on
[06:58] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu if not you will be when you do
[06:58] <Linux_Galore> ie insane
[06:58] <Gide0n> do you think it would be too unstable?
[06:58] <ubuntu_> yeah, lol. had a unuseable install for about 2 weeks and had to fall back to windows, im good with linux and have never had issues with unstables since hoary, but this one kicked my butt :)
[06:59] <Linux_Galore> I noticed the lagy desktop was fixed on the last round of updates on kubuntu edgy
[06:59] <Gide0n> ok never mind
[06:59] <Linux_Galore> not its very fast
[06:59] <Linux_Galore> now*
[06:59] <Gide0n> I am a happy camper with this linux the way it is right now
[06:59] <dannnnnnnn> ok i set it to executable
[06:59] <Gide0n> but thank you for the information
[06:59] <ubuntu_> Gide0n the deal with unstables is they change every day, it could work for youtoday and break tomorrow. its very hit and miss
[06:59] <Linux_Galore> yeah same here, Im not swapping to feisty in a rush
[06:59] <Gide0n> ubotu: thank you for responing
[07:00] <Linux_Galore> Gide0n: its a bot
[07:00] <Linux_Galore> !stupid
[07:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stupid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:00] <Gide0n> :_
[07:00] <Gide0n> :P
[07:00] <Gide0n> that tells you how new I am with this
[07:00] <Gide0n> hahaha
[07:01] <stdin> !botsnack
[07:01] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:01] <Gide0n> in fact it has been about 6 years since I had irc'd this much
[07:01] <ubuntu_> im not real good with irc either
[07:01] <dannnnnnnn> so can someone tell me how to install jre for firefox i downloaded it now what
[07:02] <ubuntu_> ah, i figured jre was the bin you were talking about, if you set it to executable try double clickin it
[07:02] <stdin> dannnnnnnn: its in the repositories
[07:02] <Gide0n> I started irc'ing back in 98 up until about 00
[07:02] <dannnnnnnn> oh it is
[07:02] <stdin> !java
[07:02] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[07:02] <dannnnnnnn> cool thanx
[07:02] <Gide0n> there is an excelent way to install sun java
[07:02] <Gide0n> stdin
[07:02] <Gide0n> let me find that for you
[07:02] <Linux_Galore> !drugs
[07:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drugs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:02] <jita> lol
[07:02] <Linux_Galore> heh heh
[07:03] <jita> !beer
[07:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:03] <ubuntu_> ah, i need to get back to irc more often, only reason i dropped in tonight was since im bored on a live cd insstall
[07:03] <stdin> the best way to install it is "apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin"
[07:03] <Gide0n> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76702
[07:03] <Gide0n> it is a little messy but man it worked beatifully for me
[07:04] <Gide0n> I use a lot of remote application stuff
[07:04] <Gide0n> and I depend on sun java working on my browser
[07:04] <dannnnnnnn> i got it now
[07:04] <dannnnnnnn> thanx
[07:04] <stdin> Gide0n: that was before sun-java was in multiverse
[07:04] <Gide0n> yeah
[07:04] <Gide0n> could be
[07:04] <stdin> 2005 :p
[07:05] <Gide0n> but I tryed the one in the multiverse
[07:05] <Gide0n> and it didn't quite work as well for me
[07:05] <thev> Seems like the inkjet decided to play nice.  The laser is still a no go.  I've tried it both from the USB#1 and HPLIP.  Anyone know how I can even start to trouble shoot this?
[07:05] <ubuntu_> see you all later, my install is done so its time to reboot and hope windows didnt get trashed j/k
[07:05] <stdin> I've had no problems with java in ff or konq
[07:05] <thev> I doubt smacking the side of it will do any good
[07:05] <thev> too bad.
[07:06] <Gide0n> ok people
[07:06] <Gide0n> got to go
[07:06] <Gide0n> nice talking to you folks
[07:06] <Gide0n> fellow penguins
[07:06] <Gide0n> thank you guys very much
[07:06] <Gide0n> have a good night
[07:06] <Dr_willis> Penguinistas
[07:06] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:06] <Gide0n> and merry christmass to you all
[07:06] <Dr_willis> viva revolution!
[07:06] <Gide0n> (excuse my english, it is my second language)
[07:07] <thev> Dr_willis - that would make a good T-Shirt ;)
[07:08] <thev> Cheguin the Kubuntu freedom fighter
[07:08] <Dr_willis> Tux with a Mustisho and Bandolias
[07:09] <Dr_willis> "We dont need no steenking EULA's!"
[07:09] <genii> penguinara
[07:09] <robotgeek> EULA's are for LULAS (fools, in hindi)
[07:10] <thev> it's so terribly cheesy there's no reason it couldn't be a commercial success :p
[07:10] <robotgeek> heh
[07:10] <thev> I'd rather wear my "I'm a huge loser geek" neon sign around my neck though.  Really helps with the ladies
[07:11] <matthew_> thev, I've got one of those
[07:11] <genii> just get a penguin tattooed on your forehead LOL
[07:12] <genii> just between us I have a FreeBSD devil tattoo
[07:12] <Dr_willis> Get a Black/white full body 'tuxedo' tatoo.
[07:12] <matthew_> genii, seriously?
[07:12] <genii> matthew_ Yup
[07:12] <genii> left upper arm
[07:13] <thev> Dr_willis - classy!
[07:13] <matthew_> genii, you are a couple hundred orders of magnitudes above me in geekiness...
[07:13] <genii> matthew_ LOL too much practise and no gf that would put up with having her name below the devil
[07:14] <thev> genii - it's better than a superman symbol.  My old roomie had one of those
[07:14] <thev> "Why not to get tattoos before you are 18" he always said
[07:14] <matthew_> I love the Ali G show...
[07:14] <genii> LOL
[07:14] <matthew_> thev, so true...
[07:14] <genii> Hey is Ali G also Borat? It seems to me yes but I dunno
[07:15] <matthew_> only name I'll probably ever get is my wifes name...when I get married...
[07:15] <matthew_> genii, yup
[07:15] <thev> genii - same guy
[07:15] <genii> heh I knew it
[07:15] <matthew_> I love his show...downloaded 2 seasons...
[07:15] <thev> tis comic genius, I'd say
[07:15] <thev> I just started watching it
[07:16] <thev> ...yesterday.
[07:16] <genii> To divulge my geekiness I would have to say that I still think Monty Python is still the best
[07:16] <matthew_> genii, no doubt
[07:16] <robotgeek> ++
[07:16] <genii> spam spam spam spam LOL
[07:16] <thev> python has it's place, that's for sure
[07:17] <thev> mr. show was pretty amazing, as well
[07:17] <matthew_> genii, excuse me, my car has broken down...do you know where I can find a GAH-rage? oh wait...that's not monty python...just british humor...
[07:17] <Conor> hey you too
[07:17] <Conor> two
[07:17] <genii> ho Conor :)
[07:17] <matthew_> hey conor
[07:17] <Conor> hows it going
[07:17] <matthew_> Conor, pretty good...
[07:18] <Conor> yupo
[07:18] <genii> hey anyone know the score for hockey game tonight Toronto/Chicago?
[07:18] <genii> I'm at work and missing/missed the game
[07:18] <whimsical> Blackhawks won 3-1
[07:18] <Conor> Anyway, I think that theres three or four things Id like to fix, and then I could use linux almost exculsively
[07:18] <matthew_> genii, nope...I don't follow hockey...or anything Canadian, lol
[07:18] <genii> bleh
[07:18] <Conor> yeah! Blackhawks!
[07:18] <genii> thx whimsical
[07:18] <Dr_willis> that reminds me.. what was that 'sitcom' (brittish) with a middle classed husband/wife and a 'higher classed' husband/wife , snooty lady name was hyacyanth (like the flower) i think.
[07:18] <Conor> (Im from chicago)
[07:19] <whimsical> Are you excited for Toronto FC?
[07:19] <Dr_willis> slobby guys name was 'onslow' or somthing...
[07:19] <matthew_> Conor, ok, genii and I'll help you (mostly genii )
[07:19] <Conor> Of course I dont really follow sports
[07:19] <Conor> thanks
[07:19] <thev> hockey... *snort*
[07:19] <whimsical> Hockey is my second favourite sport behind football (soccer)!
[07:20] <thev> <- the only Canadian in the history of the world who doesn't give a crap about hockey
[07:20] <genii> Well I'm Canadian so hockey is in my blood :)
[07:20] <Conor> the biggest one is getting some sort of ide for java running
[07:20] <whimsical> I am a NJ Devils fan though, so I hate the Mapleleafs.
[07:20] <stdin> Dr_willis: http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/k/keepingupappeara_7773960.shtml
[07:20] <Conor> I tried netbeans, and its a little slow (ironically)
[07:20] <Dr_willis> stdin,  all righty.. i was thinking it had appearance in the title. :) I think thw wife would like that show.
[07:20] <genii> Conor you need to program in java or just run java apps?
[07:20] <Dr_willis> heh . thanks.
[07:20] <Conor> btw, this is a real nice operating system theyve put together
[07:21] <Conor> program
[07:21] <genii> !jakarta
[07:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jakarta - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:21] <genii> bleh
[07:21] <Conor> genii: netbeans came with java 1.4, but most of my programs are written for 1.5 SDK, so Ill need that too
[07:21] <stdin> Dr_willis: you'd like 'one foot in the grave' too then
[07:22] <Linux_Galore> one foot in the grave is great
[07:22] <stdin> :p
[07:23] <genii> Conor I don't run a java IDE so not much help with that one :(
[07:23] <matthew_> ummm, what's the linux equiv of tracert?
[07:23] <Conor> hmmm...
[07:23] <genii> tracepath
[07:23] <matthew_> thanks
[07:23] <genii> normal linux = traceroute but debian = tracepath
[07:24] <avalon> If I'm trying to find out what /dev/bus/usb/00whatever my USB device is plugged into, how could I do that knowing it's plugged into usb 1-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 6
[07:24] <Conor> hmmm...
[07:24] <genii> avalon You could conceivable find out by lsmod
[07:25] <Dr_willis> dmesg output perhaps?
[07:25] <genii> Dr_willis good suggestion
[07:25] <Lam_> is there a terminal command to see how much space left i have on my partition (and/or just general hard drive status information)?
[07:25] <genii> Lam sudo df
[07:25] <Dr_willis> Linux FUNdamentals
[07:26] <Dr_willis> df -h  (for human readable #'s)
[07:26] <Lam_> ok thanks lol
[07:26] <genii> :)
[07:26] <matthew_> so, Conor , what would you like help w/?
[07:26] <Conor> well, I think I can figure the ide thing out on my own, it looks like kdevelop does what I want
[07:26] <brian_> Anyone here smart on cdrecord probs?
[07:27] <Conor> I think that leaves the tv tuner
[07:27] <stdin> depends what the problem is, brian_
[07:27] <matthew_> Conor, oh right...that thing that I couldn't help you with, right?
[07:28] <brian_> My cd/dvd burner only records at 24 speed and I can't make it go any slower
[07:28] <Conor> Actually, theres about four things I be asking you to help me with eventually, probably:  the tv tuner, swapping caps lock and backspace...
[07:28] <avalon> Lsmod shows me everything but what I'm looking for genii, it still hasn't found my USB touchscreen. I tried catting every one of the /dev/bus/usbs but all it gives me is the same output, which I know is wrong because it just spits out one line and goes to the next command
[07:28] <Conor> and then when I get back to my dorm, theres a printer and a usb flash drive that need fixing
[07:28] <Conor> thats for all your help btw
[07:28] <stdin> brian_: are you running it from the cli, or from a GUI (like k3b)?
[07:29] <genii> Conor usb storage gets recognised as scsi dev   eg: /dev/sda sdb etc
[07:29] <brian_> I've tried both k3b and command line with spped=0 and it always goes to 24 spped
[07:29] <brian_> sorry speed
[07:30] <Conor> well, actually i destroyed the filesystem and now I cant mount it (it just crashes) but I dont have it with me now
[07:30] <genii> conor you need to re fdisk it then
[07:31] <genii> avalon Hmmm I'm considering your issue but have no immediate resolution to it
[07:31] <Dr_willis> speed=0 - dont make any sence.,. :) try speed=2 ?
[07:31] <genii> speed=0 sets it to atudetect
[07:31] <Conor> okay.  Can you help me with my tv tuner genii?
[07:31] <genii> autodetect
[07:32] <avalon> LOL yeah genii, six days of trying hasn't landed the lucky solution, so don't blow too many brain cells ;)
[07:32] <genii> Conor Which tuner/setup ?
[07:32] <stdin> genii: man page says speed=0 will set to lowest possible speed
[07:32] <brian_> I've tried speed=2, speed=4, found a few places that said try speed=0 to make mmc drive go to slowest speed and still always goes toe 24
[07:32] <Conor> its a wintv usb2 from hauppauge on a dell E1705 laptop
[07:33] <robotgeek> Conor: does the mythtv wiki say it works?
[07:33] <genii> Conor Whew! Lemme look into it
[07:33] <Conor> According to matthew and my reasearch, genii
[07:33] <Conor> the drivers are already installed in linux, but I just need a software package to get it working
[07:34] <genii> brian_ Perhaps try XCDRoast as frontend
[07:34] <genii> afk, looking up hauppage etc etc
[07:34] <Conor> however, tvtime wants my video driver to do some weird thing, and mythtv wants me to set up my mysql database (was that redundant) genii
[07:35] <brian_> problem seems to be in cdrecord though since same problem happens in both
[07:35] <rpv> hi all
[07:36] <genii> brian_ likely a firmware issue where cdrecord cannot interface properly with speed set so it always goes to max
[07:36] <brian_> I'll buy that
[07:36] <brian_> my drive is an AOpen
[07:37] <brian_> works fine with Windoze
[07:40] <genii> Conor which model hauppauge ?
[07:40] <genii> brian_ atm my only suggestion would be to try upgrading the firmware if possible
[07:40] <Conor> wintv usb2
[07:41] <genii> hmm is there a more specific model eg: hvr1100 etc etc
[07:42] <Conor> no
[07:42] <Conor> Im pretty sure thats the exact model
[07:43] <genii> OK. The video4linux shows support for wintv model 150 for instance
[07:43] <Conor> Im not sure if the exact driver is the problem, so much as getting the software
[07:43] <Conor> okay
[07:43] <Conor> should I try and apt-get that?
[07:43] <genii> Conor your best bet is to try for v4l and gart
[07:45] <Conor> crap it wont apt-get.  tell me I have to deal with tarballs
[07:45] <genii> I think kdetv uses v4l as backend, you could try that
[07:46] <brian_> genii - I'm not sure how to upgrade firmware for a cdrom - I've done this for wireless cards but didn't know it was even possible for cdrom
[07:46] <genii> brian_ Yes. Normally you dump the firmware upgrade to a bootable dos disk,  then boot to that and it should auto-update it
[07:47] <genii> Aopen web site should have whatever latest firmware for your specific model
[07:47] <brian_> genii - checking now - thanks
[07:48] <genii> brian_ np
[07:49] <Conor> okay, genii: it downloaded and installed, but gave me an error:
[07:49] <Conor> Unable to grab video
[07:49] <Conor> Video display is not possible with the current plugin configuration.  Try playing with the configuration options of the V4L2 plugin
[07:51] <genii> Hmmm OK lemme think a bit
[07:52] <Conor> oh, btw, Im looking at some of the configuration stuff
[07:52] <genii> :)
[07:52] <Conor> and the computer knows its a wintv usb2
[07:53] <genii> Conor That may be part of why it can't go yet. Altho it may be that the default setup is some safe settings as well
[07:53] <genii> The wintv 150 *at least* should be supported auto
[07:54] <Conor> wait, thats not a good thing?
[07:54] <Conor> I got some command line errors.  Do you want me to pastebin them?
[07:54] <genii> Conor you can try to installv4l-conf  ... atool to help with the configuration
[07:55] <Conor> is that a command line?
[07:55] <genii> Conor
[07:55] <Conor> ?
[07:55] <genii> Dunno if commandline or no
[07:55] <brian_> Wow - the AOpen USA website is slow
[07:56] <genii> brian_ Yeah maybe that tells you something, like many ppl are getting drivers etc
[07:56] <Conor> crap... i typed v4l-conf and my screen went blank
[07:56] <genii> bleh
[07:57] <Conor> now I got funny colors
[07:57] <brian_> Lots of people switching to Linux?
[07:57] <genii> Can you get into a second console w alt-f2   or ctrl-alt-f1 etc Conor
[07:57] <genii> Conor wait
[07:57] <Conor> okay,I fixed it
[07:57] <genii> It may be autodetecting thingies
[07:58] <Conor> its looking for overlay support.  tvtime wanted the something
[07:58] <Conor> wanted the same thing
[07:58] <genii> OK need bathroom break so I can think properly before continuing :) brb
[07:58] <max_> when is KDE 4 released?
[07:58] <Conor> gol
[08:03] <genii> Whew , better :)
[08:03] <genii> Looking into the overlay business now
[08:03] <Conor> haha
[08:04] <stdin> max_: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-4.0-release-plan.html
[08:05] <genii> OK looks like the hauppauge inside is a beechtree 878 chipset
[08:05] <genii> (bt878 driver)
[08:05] <Conor> oh i see
[08:07] <genii> geez there's a *LOT* of docs for this stuff
[08:07] <Conor> oh...
[08:08] <max_> is Cairo-Dock Gnome only? or can you use it on KDE?
[08:08] <genii> Conor Best I can do for the moment is point you here:http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Bttv_devices_(bt848,_bt878)
[08:08] <genii> bleh
[08:08] <genii> Conor Best I can do for the moment is point you here: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Bttv_devices_(bt848,_bt878)
[08:10] <Conor> I get a blank wiki page
[08:10] <hagabaka> what does it mean when the Adept Installer grays an application that is not installed?
[08:13] <genii> Conor add a ) to the end of the url
[08:17] <genii> Conor may also be informative:  http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/faq/support_faq_linux.html
[08:19] <ErikTheRed> Conor are you using the WinTV USB2 or WinTV PVR USB2?
[08:19] <genii> that shows kwintv xawtv as the apps it uses under RH and SUSE so they should also work in debian/ubuntu
[08:20] <genii> Erik he has the first one apparently
[08:20] <ErikTheRed> ok just checking, because there's a big difference
[08:20] <ErikTheRed> i have the WinTV PVR USB2
[08:20] <ErikTheRed> which works beautifully
[08:20] <ErikTheRed> but is totally different (hardware-wise) from his
[08:21] <ErikTheRed> oh well
[08:21] <ErikTheRed> was worth checking
[08:21] <Conor> just the regualar wintv
[08:21] <genii> Yeah Conexant vs BT878 etc
[08:21] <ErikTheRed> yeah
[08:21] <ErikTheRed> the driver my model is even in the kernel now, which is great
[08:21] <ErikTheRed> *for my model
[08:21] <Conor> I was told that my model is also in the kernel
[08:22] <Conor> actually, mepis was able to load that up correctly (somehow) and I was able to watch tv on xawtv, but the quality was terrible
[08:22] <ErikTheRed> it may not be in until a later kernel version like 2.6.18 or 19
[08:22] <genii> Conor You can seei fit's loaded with sudo lsmod|grep bttv        or perhaps   grep bt878
[08:23] <inteliwasp> how can i set a mounted drive to a user? ie: i don't need to be root to modify contents?
[08:23] <xenol> !icon change
[08:23] <ErikTheRed> b/c i know my driver was not in the kernel until 2.6.18 plus i had to activate it before compiling the kernel (it was deactivated by default)
[08:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icon change - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:23] <xenol> :/
[08:23] <genii> !chmod > inteliwasp
[08:23] <inteliwasp> genii, will that be recursive?
[08:23] <brian_> genii still no luck with AOpen website - I'll keep trying - thanke=s for the help
[08:24] <genii> brian_ Hopefully if you do an upgrade it will work after... if not it may be some other thing but beyond what i could quickly fix atm
[08:25] <genii> inteliwasp you could do it recursively with sudo chmod -R user:user /dirname
[08:25] <xenol> how can i change icon on desktop plz?
[08:25] <genii> sorry chown
[08:25] <Conor> I dont think that its on there
[08:25] <Conor> lsmod|grep bttv returned nothing
[08:25] <genii> Unless you want to keep root as owner and chmod 757 or so
[08:26] <Conor> and grep bt878 stalled
[08:26] <genii> Conor how about bt878 or bt8xx
[08:26] <genii> hmm 878 stalled?
[08:26] <genii> You may need reboot then for it to setup with udev
[08:26] <Conor> I dont know how to implement all these commands
[08:27] <Conor> you have to tell me exactly what to type
[08:27] <stdin> inteliwasp, genii: why not just mount it as the user?
[08:27] <genii> Conor try:   sudo lsmod|grep bt878
[08:28] <Conor> actually, grep bt878 is waiting for more input
[08:28] <inteliwasp> stdin, it's ext3 with other files already on it
[08:28] <Conor> genii: nothing
[08:28] <genii> Conor LOL yeah if you just put only grep bt878 on CLI it would hang
[08:28] <Conor> oh
[08:28] <genii> Conor try:   sudo lsmod|grep bt8
[08:28] <Conor> nothing
[08:29] <stdin> inteliwasp: is it just for storage?
[08:29] <stdin> like a /home partition
[08:29] <genii> Conor OK, I would chance a reboot then since v4l should be on. Hopefully the driver for your tuner will be auto setup by udev
[08:29] <inteliwasp> yes temparly to burn data to dvd
[08:30] <ceefour> hi
[08:30] <ceefour> Conor: be able to run netbeasn 5.5?
[08:30] <genii> stdin Can you override root ownership on a mount by -o something   ?
[08:30] <Conor> "chancing" a reboot
[08:30] <Conor> I dont know
[08:31] <stdin> inteliwasp: use chown then, chown user:group directory (with -R for recursive), then you don't have to mess with permissions
[08:31] <Conor> It was a version of netbeans, I dont think it was 5.5
[08:31] <Conor> It had an obsolete version of sdk
[08:31] <inteliwasp> stdin, too late i did it already
[08:31] <Conor> 1.4
[08:31] <ceefour> Conor: have you tried runing netbeans 5.5 on your kubuntu?
[08:31] <genii> inteliwasp What stdin said :)
[08:31] <stdin> genii: yes, but with ext2/3 the owner/permissions are set in the filesystem
[08:31] <Conor> no why?
[08:31] <Conor> I found the version  I used slow though
[08:31] <ceefour> Conor: you said you want to develop java in kubuntu
[08:31] <Conor> oh
[08:32] <Conor> yeah
[08:32] <Conor> I got it installed
[08:32] <ceefour> Conor: see http://java.gauldong.net for an example
[08:32] <stdin> genii: so if you mount with -o uid=user the files will still have the same owner/permissions
[08:32] <inteliwasp> ah the anoying joy of 11Mbps wireless Xfer....
[08:32] <ceefour> Conor: you basically only have two options if you want free, netbeans or eclipse
[08:33] <genii> stdin Yeah i thought the only way would be chwon
[08:33] <Conor> okay. No kdevelop?
[08:33] <ceefour> Conor: eclipse seems to be speedier but netbeans is easier to install and has more bundled features by default.
[08:33] <genii> chown even :)
[08:33] <Conor> rebooted, genii
[08:33] <genii> Conor OK. After everything loads up try the lsmod stuff again
[08:33] <ceefour> Conor: I'm sure you can use kdevelop for java dev. well in that way you can use vim + javac ;-)
[08:34] <ceefour> Conor: netbeans5.5 is much improvement. you can download from http://www.netbeans.org or request a free CD containing lots of java stuff (I did, and they did send it to my house)
[08:34] <stdin> chown is good because you can use it selectively, like  'chown --from=root:root user:user /path/to/dir' then change back again
[08:34] <ceefour> Conor: the only thing you need would be sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre and sun-java5-jdk IIRC
[08:34] <genii> Conor Actually, just do only:   sudo lsmod|KATE  then paste to pastebin, then I can see what drivers exactly are there
[08:34] <Conor> nothing
[08:35] <genii> maybe Kate I forget
[08:35] <genii> stdin Yeah I like chown as more elegant
[08:35] <Conor> thats strange
[08:36] <genii> Conor ?
[08:36] <Conor> Im gonna switch over to another user name so I can use my laptop, hold on
[08:36] <deus> okay
[08:37] <genii> deus Seeya
[08:37] <genii> deus/Conor etc
[08:37] <genii> :)
[08:37] <deus> http://pastebin.com/843618
[08:37] <genii> alrite, I'll brb
[08:37] <deus> wait
[08:37] <deus> ah
[08:38] <stdin> i don't think kate will take piped input
[08:39] <genii> Damn
[08:39] <stdin> 'sudo lsmod > modules ; kate modules' would work tho
[08:39] <genii> Yeah
[08:39] <deus> http://pastebin.com/843619
[08:39] <genii> OK :)
[08:40] <deus> yeah, sudo lsmod > drivers.txt works
[08:40] <deus> I am genius!
[08:42] <stdin> woah, I have 133 modules loaded :p
[08:42] <genii> Your chipset appears to not be bt878 but some I never heard til now (em28xx)
[08:42] <genii> but drivers are installed anyhow
[08:42] <deus> what?
[08:42] <deus> ugh
[08:42] <deus> okay
[08:42] <deus> so it doesnt matter then?
[08:42] <genii> Not if it sees the stuff :)
[08:43] <deus> okay
[08:43] <genii> This may be the conexant chipset like Erik has in the PVR wintv model
[08:43] <deus> okay
[08:43] <deus> then it should work
[08:43] <deus> erik, are you still here?
[08:44] <genii> I would cross fingers but yes. If it doesn't, you may need to put a specific X driver instead of vesa
[08:44] <deus> well, I installed the flgrx (?) drivers myself
[08:44] <deus> A little proud of that, btw
[08:45] <deus> for the ati radeon that gave us so much trouble
[08:45] <genii> Ah OK I notice now the vesafb shows nothing using it :)
[08:45] <deus> oh... what does that mean?
[08:46] <genii> LOL it's good, no worries
[08:46] <genii> It means the ati driver is being used and not the vesa
[08:47] <deus> great
[08:48] <deus> so how do we fix the tv tuner situation?
[08:48] <genii> So maybe try to start the prog which would do TV (I imagine kdetv or such)
[08:49] <deus> Unable to grab video.
[08:49] <deus> Video display is not possible with the current plugin configuration. Try playing with the configuration options of the V4L2 plugin.
[08:49] <genii> bleh
[08:49] <deus> If I run it from the command line, theres more error code
[08:49] <deus> wanna see?
[08:49] <genii> OK, pls pastebin
[08:49] <genii> here if short
[08:50] <deus> http://pastebin.com/843623
[08:50] <deus> its a wopper
[08:50] <deus> the exact command was "kdetv"
[08:51] <genii> ok, perusing now
[08:52] <deus> brb
[08:53] <genii> Hmm /dev/vbi0 (Hauppauge WinTV USB 2) is not a raw vbi device.   on line 39 seems to be the crux
[08:53] <deus> back
[08:53] <deus> hmm...
[08:53] <deus> what does that mean?
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> can someone help me out
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> err
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> !ask | Admiral_Chicago
[08:53] <ubotu> Admiral_Chicago: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:53] <genii> deus I'm thinking about it :)
[08:54] <ScarFreewill> how do I set which kernel modules should load?
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> ScarFreewill, uname -r
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> err no
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> that will tell you your current kernel
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm not sure
[08:54] <deus> admiral, why did you do the !ask to yourself?
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> well, the thing is, I am having a wicked time connecting on my kubuntu set up
[08:55] <ScarFreewill> 2.6.17-10-386
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> i connect via pppoe and when I run pppoeconf, everything is fine
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> i vertify my name and everything works
[08:55] <genii> ScarFreewill two ways. In /etc/modules are listed some which normally you do not want to change. In /etc/default   there are other files each with the name of something that loads at boot. in the file with the name of whatever you don't want change a line enable=yes  to enable=no
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> but i can't connect via HTTP. at one point i was on IRC, but couldn't open up my home page
[08:56] <ScarFreewill> genii: ok i'll try /etc/default and see if that helps me...
[08:57] <genii> ScarFreewill :)
[08:58] <goodthing> ok, now i am lost again, mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdb: Device or resource busy
[08:58] <Dodger73> hello
[08:58] <Admiral_Chicago> hiya Dodger73
[08:58] <deus> hello
[08:58] <Dodger73> hi there :) i've got some trouble with printing under edgy... it freezes for me after upgrading from dapper
[08:59] <deus> !ubotu
[08:59] <Dodger73> any app trying to print, and even the printer settings module in system settings hang
[08:59] <genii> deus Tracking down this vbi stuff. Gimme a while
[08:59] <deus> okay, sounds like a whopper
[09:02] <ScarFreewill> genii: |snd_seq_oss|snd_seq_midi_event|snd_seq|snd_seq_device| those are the ones I want to add how would I add them and where should I add them to alsa?...
[09:02] <jerp> yeah, Burger King was more worthwhile to reminisce over when they hadn't yet disclosed that chargrilling carries carcinogens
[09:02] <OkinawaInstructo> can someone tell me how to share an external hard drive from one computer to another
[09:03] <genii> ScarFreewill If you want these to be in the kernel during boot add them to /etc/modules one on each line
[09:03] <genii> oss and also do not coexist well incidentally
[09:03] <genii> alsa and oss
[09:04] <genii> You need one OR the other
[09:04] <ScarFreewill> !paste
[09:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:05] <naught101> can anyone help me with laptop power setups?
[09:05] <genii> deus Still researching on the side here
[09:05] <naught101> what the pros and cons of kpowersave/powersaved vs klaptopdaemon/powernowd?
[09:05] <naught101> can't seem to find much understandable literature on the 'net
[09:06] <deus> okay
[09:07] <deus> brb
[09:07] <genii> naught101 second one is better for laptops, has spin-down for hd, etc. Also you don't need crt dpms stuff on laptops etc etc
[09:07] <ScarFreewill> genii:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38485/
[09:07] <genii> ScarFreewill ok brb
[09:08] <ScarFreewill> np.
[09:08] <naught101> genii: is it better supported as well? and does it do CPU power stepping?
[09:09] <genii> ScarFreewill that should be fine
[09:09] <ScarFreewill> now do i just reboot?
[09:09] <genii> naught101 M class cpu power support, yes
[09:09] <genii> ScarFreewill. The next time you do, it should load those, yes
[09:10] <ScarFreewill> genii: ok thx cya
[09:11] <deus> I read somewhere with the new version of kubuntu, pressing <FN> plus <UP> or <DOWN> could crash the computer.  Thats the brightness controls on dell laptops like mine.  Is that true?
[09:11] <naught101> klaptopdaemon actually appears to work with both powernowd and powersaved... which is better? still powernowd?
[09:12] <genii> deus Did you install xawtv?
[09:12] <deus> yeah
[09:12] <genii> deus Try to run that instead of kdetv then
[09:13] <genii> naught101 powersaved does the stepdown stuff to save battery more
[09:14] <deus> when I run it, I causes the screen to go blank.  I can fix it by pressing F6 or F7 or something
[09:14] <deus> but its annoying
[09:14] <genii> deus So xawtv causes blanking?
[09:14] <naught101> great, thanks genii
[09:14] <aleksanteri> hey how to extract a debian archive?
[09:15] <genii> naught101 np :)
[09:15] <deus> yeah.  I have the program running, hold on
[09:15] <genii> Interesting... if it comes blue screen then working but no video-in source
[09:16] <naught101> is it possible to rezise my /home and / partitions (both ext3) without re-installing?
[09:16] <deus> hmm, no I got nothing
[09:16] <genii> naught101 gparted
[09:16] <genii> deus Is this a multi-head card?
[09:17] <deus> whats that?
[09:17] <stdin> genii, naught101: qtparted
[09:17] <genii> deus eg: You have some video-out plug on the back like composite plugs etc?
[09:17] <deus> hmm, its no responding
[09:18] <deus> no
[09:18] <naught101> genii: from the liveCD? is that on the kubuntu liveCD, or should I get the gparted liveCD?
[09:18] <deus> is there an <alt> <cntrl> <del> for linux?
[09:18] <stdin> qtparted is on the kubuntu live CD
[09:19] <genii> naught101 I generally like to use the bootable cd from their home site... but as stdin points out there is a solution on the livecd :)
[09:19] <aleksanteri> deus: try :P
[09:19] <stdin> deus: what's <cntrl> ?
[09:19] <genii> deus First try ctrl-C
[09:19] <deus> ctrl
[09:19] <deus> its control without the vowels
[09:19] <deus> nvrmnd
[09:20] <stdin> deus: so you mean like MS task manager?
[09:20] <deus> I guess
[09:20] <aleksanteri> process controlling?
[09:20] <unix_infidel> apt-get install htop
[09:20] <aleksanteri> !htop
[09:20] <ubotu> htop: interactive processes viewer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.2-1 (edgy), package size 42 kB, installed size 172 kB
[09:20] <deus> so I can focibly shut down programs if I need to (as in all the time like in windows)
[09:20] <stdin> deus: yeah, it's ksysguard
[09:21] <deus> hopefully, I want need it in linux
[09:21] <deus> okay
[09:21] <genii> deus if ctrl-C doesn't abort the program, try to get to an alternate console by ctrl-left alt-f1
[09:21] <deus> okay
[09:21] <racarr> deus: the 'kill' command kills a program by PID which you can find from ps -A
[09:21] <deus> uhoh
[09:21] <racarr> deus: and 'killall' by name
[09:21] <racarr> deus: i.e. 'killall gaim'
[09:21] <genii> deus than you can kill the process manually
[09:21] <stdin> ctrl-alt-esc can kill a window
[09:21] <racarr> deus: Even if the keyboard locks upand you can't get to a tty with control+alt+f1
[09:22] <aleksanteri> !ksysguard
[09:22] <ubotu> ksysguard: system guard for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 485 kB, installed size 1564 kB
[09:22] <deus> I just tried to go to an terminal window, and its all colorful, like theres something wrong
[09:22] <racarr> deus: And things like ctrl+alt+esc won't work in that situation, you can hit alt+sysrq+r, then control+alt+f1
[09:22] <racarr> deus: Try clearing the screen with enter?
[09:22] <deus> nogo
[09:23] <racarr> I had a friend with that problem a while ago...I don't recall how he fixed it though
[09:23] <deus> I guess I wont use the terminal...
[09:24] <genii> deus If it went to the first available console with "ctrl-left alt-f1" and that is where u are, try to cycle the windows by leftalt-f2 leftalt-f3 etc
[09:24] <genii> if you get to f7 that is the X default
[09:24] <deus> yeah, there all colorful except f7
[09:24] <racarr> try logging in to one
[09:24] <racarr> even if you can't see anything
[09:25] <aleksanteri> so yes how can you extract a debian archive? :p
[09:25] <deus> I dont think that helped
[09:25] <max_> anyone use Kiba-Dock?
[09:25] <racarr> aleksanteri: It's just a tar.gz
[09:25] <genii> deus if in f7 console, forcibly exit the X with ctrl-alt-backspace
[09:25] <aleksanteri> oh
[09:25] <deus> dont wanna
[09:26] <deus> wont that crash all my programs?
[09:26] <genii> deus It will just dump you to kdm again
[09:26] <racarr> aleksanteri:Why?
[09:26] <stdin> actually a .deb file is an ar archive containing tar.gz files
[09:27] <genii> deus Well, yes, it will kill whatevers running in kde but you will gain control again
[09:27] <deus> okay
[09:27] <aleksanteri> ic ic :P but i can't really extract it with tar :p
[09:27] <deus> yeah, didnt fix it
[09:27] <racarr> yeah, I'm stupid it's not a .tar.gz
[09:27] <aleksanteri> it's a ,deb ;O
[09:27] <aleksanteri> :P *
[09:27] <racarr> deus: are you using hte fglrx driver?
[09:27] <aleksanteri> .deb *
[09:27] <genii> racarr Yeah he is
[09:27] <deus> I dont know
[09:27] <aleksanteri> i got one when i wanted to install a theme
[09:27] <deus> racarr: idk
[09:27] <stdin> aleksanteri: ar x package.deb
[09:27] <racarr> aleksanteri: They are 'ar' archives
[09:28] <racarr> deus: I think it's a problem with the fglrx driver...someone else I know with fglrx has the same problem
[09:28] <aleksanteri> ar or tar?
[09:28] <racarr> ar
[09:28] <aleksanteri> ic
[09:28] <racarr> aleksanteri: You know you install them with dpkg -i though, right? not extract them?
[09:28] <stdin> when you extract the .deb you see 2 tar.gx files
[09:29] <aleksanteri> racarr: i don't :P
[09:29] <stdin> s/gx/gz/
[09:29] <racarr> aleksanteri: Ah, to install a deb you can just run
[09:29] <deus> do I strictly need the terminal?  Otherwise, the driver works great
[09:29] <racarr> aleksanteri: sudo dpkg -i bla.de
[09:29] <aleksanteri> ic :D
[09:29] <racarr> aleksanteri: And it automatically takes care of registering the installation, extracting everything, adding it to appropriate menus etc
[09:29] <stdin> it's easy when you know how :p
[09:29] <deus> so genii: what do you think about this tv tuner thing?
[09:30] <racarr> deus: Mm, strictly need not really, and you can still use x terminals and stuff obviously
[09:30] <genii> I think has to do with dvb component
[09:30] <racarr> deus: But it's certainlly useful...ugh I wish I could remember how this last person f ixed it
[09:30] <deus> genii: okay
[09:31] <genii> deus I suspect you need to install some component like kvdr  or dvbtune etc
[09:31] <deus> can I go ahead and try that?
[09:31] <aleksanteri> ok i got it opened
[09:31] <genii> deus pls wait a minute
[09:31] <racarr> aleksanteri: ?
[09:32] <genii> trying to track which apps etc involved
[09:32] <aleksanteri> hmmm ...
[09:32] <naught101> sorry, dropped. genii: do you reccomend using gparted from a liveCD? if so, which one works well?
[09:32] <aleksanteri> i can't see the theme packet now anywhere
[09:32] <stdin> !deb | aleksanteri
[09:32] <ubotu> aleksanteri: deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[09:33] <genii> deus I would try these:  kvdr  dvbtune libdvbpsi4-dev
[09:33] <aleksanteri> o well :P i redownloaded a tar.gz packet :P
[09:33] <aleksanteri> looks like this should be the right package
[09:34] <deus> okay, so apt-get kvdr?
[09:35] <genii> deus sudo apt-get kvdr dvbtune libdvbpsi4-dev
[09:35] <deus> it says that vdr needs dvb kernel modules
[09:35] <genii> apt-get *install*
[09:36] <genii> bleh do apt-cache search dvb|grep kernel|grep `uname -r`
[09:36] <aleksanteri> and i got it as source -_-
[09:36] <genii> naught101 http://gparted.sourceforge.net
[09:36] <deus> retruns nothing
[09:37] <deus> apt-get is a big improvement over tarballs
[09:37] <naught101> whoa
[09:37] <naught101> sorry, dropped. genii: do you reccomend using gparted from a liveCD? if so, which one works well?
[09:37] <genii> naught101 http://gparted.sourceforge.net/
[09:37] <deus> okay, all those are installed
[09:37] <naught101> ok, cheers
[09:38] <genii> deus OK try lsmod|grep dvb
[09:38] <naught101> I have klaptopdaemon installed, but it only has one power scheme (performance). do I need another package to add more? I can't find where to create new schemes
[09:38] <deus> nothing
[09:39] <genii> naught101 I normally don't mess with that one, sorry :(
[09:39] <genii> deus OK, I'm puzzling it out
[09:40] <deus> are you kidding me?
[09:40] <deus> alright, its okay
[09:40] <genii> deus Try modprobe -l dvb*
[09:41] <deus> oh that gave something
[09:41] <genii> deus Try modprobe -l dvb*|grep `uname -r`
[09:41] <deus> http://pastebin.com/843655
[09:42] <genii> ok brb
[09:42] <genii> deus which kernel you have? eg:  uname -r   result
[09:42] <deus> modprobe -l dvb*|grep `uname -r` returned a lot too
[09:42] <deus> 2.6.17-10-generic
[09:43] <genii> OK
[09:45] <liyang_> is there somebody alive?
[09:45] <liyang_> please help me
[09:45] <deus> theres about 6 billion people alive
[09:45] <deus> oh you mean here
[09:45] <deus> whats the problem?
[09:46] <stdin> 6.9 last time I checked
[09:46] <deus> wow, that many?
[09:46] <stdin> yep
[09:46] <liyang_> Oh! I can't figure out the kdevelop right
[09:46] <liyang_> do you have some tips on that?
[09:47] <liyang_> where is the deus?
[09:48] <liyang_> disappear or fall asleep?
[09:48] <genii> deus pls pastebin modprobe -l dvb*|grep `uname -r`
[09:48] <liyang_> where are you from ,dear genii?
[09:48] <genii> sorry wait
[09:49] <genii> liyang Toronto Canada
[09:49] <liyang_> oh my god!
[09:49] <genii> deus pls pastebin lsmod dvb*
[09:49] <liyang_> a real foregin friend
[09:49] <deus> http://pastebin.com/843660
[09:50] <liyang_> hope that I don't make a spell mistake
[09:50] <genii> ok afk dissecting again :)
[09:50] <deus> didnt like "lsmod dvb*"
[09:50] <deus> is there a typo?
[09:50] <liyang_> Kdevelop??
[09:51] <liyang_> Are there some experts on the Kdevelop?
[09:51] <deus> did you mean lsmod|grep dvb?
[09:51] <genii> sometimes wildcards give it grief but normally in front of the term.... try lsmod|grep dvb then instead
[09:51] <deus> that returned nothing
[09:52] <genii> deus OK OK hmm... try sudo modprobe dvb-core
[09:52] <deus> nothing
[09:52] <liyang_> people are not very friendly
[09:52] <liyang_> byebye
[09:53] <genii> deus now try lsmod|grep dvb
[09:53] <genii> does it show at least what we tried now to insert?
[09:53] <deus> dvb_core               83368  0
[09:53] <genii> good we are making progress :)
[09:53] <deus> great!
[09:53] <aleksanteri> :o now i saw that you can get the skin with apt-get :|
[09:54] <deus> is this the most fun youve ever had at three in the morning?
[09:54] <aleksanteri> oh man... :D
[09:54] <deus> gmao
[09:54] <genii> deus Heh :)   try now:   sudo modprobe dvb-usb
[09:54] <xenol> plz how can i remove theme?
[09:55] <deus> okay
[09:55] <xenol> i installed one and i dont want it
[09:55] <xenol> or is polyester basic theme of kubuntu?
[09:55] <genii> deus then the check with lsmod again etc
[09:55] <deus> I think you have to install a different on, xenol
[09:55] <deus> idk
[09:55] <xenol> cause when i want to unistall it thorugh kubuntu theme manger it say it aint installed
[09:56] <xenol> but when i see avaiable thmes it shows there
[09:56] <deus> http://pastebin.com/843663
[09:56] <genii> deus OK
[09:57] <genii> deus Good :) We are getting there
[09:57] <deus> yea!
[09:58] <genii> deus I think it's time to try running kdetv again
[09:58] <deus> hmm, same problem
[09:59] <genii> error reports like before that you pastebinned?
[09:59] <deus> let me check
[09:59] <genii> k
[10:01] <deus> http://pastebin.com/843671
[10:01] <deus> btw, I wanted to pipe that error code into a file, but it didnt work.  I assume that error code is handled differently
[10:02] <genii> brb
[10:03] <jerp> xenol, you find themes in the system settings in the K menu
[10:03] <stdin> errors go to stderr, if you want to put errors in to a file you do, eg: command 2> errors.txt
[10:03] <xenol> jerp in appearance?
[10:03] <jerp> yes
[10:04] <jerp> you can add some too if you like, some are addable in the package manager
[10:05] <jerp> and then you can also go to kde-look to get new ones
[10:05] <xenol> jerp is there any kind of "repair installation" of ubuntu?
[10:05] <genii> deus Something with a missing device it looks like. Major opcode 168 minor opcode 3
[10:05] <genii> I suspect I'll have to look it up
[10:06] <jerp> xenol, you can uninstall packages and reinstall them also if that is what you mean
[10:07] <deus> great
[10:07] <xenol> jerp i just want to ask if there is a way like in win xp that removes whole root partiotion and install it as fresh one and home stays untouched?
[10:08] <stdin> xenol: that's why you want /home on another partition
[10:08] <stdin> xenol: you could try to reinstall, but without a reformat
[10:08] <xenol> so just boot live cd and reformat / and swap?
[10:09] <stdin> is your /home on the root partition?
[10:09] <jerp> and all the time I thought themes was the issue :(
[10:11] <stdin> xenol?
[10:11] <xenol> ya?
[10:11] <stdin> is your /home on the root partition?
[10:11] <xenol> no
[10:11] <hagabaka> how can i set up mouse gestures? in another distro there is an Input Actions in Control Center to set it up
[10:11] <xenol> another partiotion but root contain link to it :p
[10:11] <stdin> then you can just choose not to reformat that partition, and reinstall as normal
[10:12] <darkkish_> what is that kde battery app called?
[10:12] <darkkish_> or idk if its kde
[10:12] <hagabaka> oh, it's in Accessibility for some reason
[10:13] <genii> deus Damn this one is a pita
[10:13] <deus> really?
[10:13] <jerp> make a new partition mount it and copy /home there
[10:14] <deus> crap, I thought I could just load up the software like in mepis
[10:14] <darkkish_> genii, what is the laptop battery indecator called again?
[10:14] <xenol> thx
[10:14] <deus> yeah, where do I find tha laptop battery indicator?
[10:15] <matthew_> deus, lol, sudo apt-get install k-application-to-monitor-battery-charge-for-laptop-computers-that-are-using-kde-as-a-desktop-environment.
[10:16] <deus> are you serious?
[10:16] <darkkish_> ...
[10:16] <darkkish_> i don't tink thats it :D
[10:16] <matthew_> deus, no, of course not
[10:16] <deus> I was wondering...
[10:16] <matthew_> deus, the fact that it was even ponderable proves that we're talking about linux...
[10:17] <deus> since you said its a k application, isnt "that-are-using-kde-as-a-desktop-environment."
[10:17] <deus> redudant?
[10:17] <deus> "do this"
[10:17] <stdin> try: apt-cache search battery|grep -i kde
[10:17] <deus> "no"
[10:17] <deus> "sudo this"
[10:17] <deus> "alright"
[10:17] <matthew_> deus, naw, you can use K applications on a gnome desktop...but you have to install the right libs...
[10:17] <genii> deus Damn it's the f****** video card: device 148 = /dev/gfx		Linux/SGI graphics effects device
[10:17] <genii> 
[10:17] <deus> really?
[10:18] <genii> Yeah
[10:18] <deus> klaptopdaemon
[10:18] <deus> or
[10:18] <deus> kde-guidance-powermanager
[10:19] <genii> Which brings us back to the stupid ati GL driver as the cause
[10:19] <genii> bah
[10:19] <deus> you meant fglrx or whatever?
[10:19] <genii> deus Yeah
[10:19] <deus> thats a really tough name
[10:20] <deus> Im mean, as acronyms go...
[10:20] <matthew_> lol, you've had a lot of exposure to that, huh, genii ?
[10:20] <genii> matthew_ Yes, unfortunately :(
[10:20] <darkkish_> lol
[10:20] <darkkish_> so what is that battery app called?
[10:20] <darkkish_> no i think it starts with an s
[10:20] <darkkish_> deus neither of thoes worked
[10:20] <genii> damn I can never remember
[10:20] <darkkish_> maybe its just an ubuntu one
[10:20] <darkkish_> it shows a picture of a batery with 4 bars
[10:20] <deus> a kde app that starts with an s
[10:21] <matthew_> yeah, that definetely deserves a frowny face.
[10:21] <darkkish_> and it gives you system settings based on your battery level
[10:21] <matthew_> the ati stuff...not the laptop battery daemon stuff...
[10:21] <deus> oh yeah
[10:22] <darkkish_> it might not be a kde app
[10:22] <darkkish_> it might be an ubuntu app
[10:22] <darkkish_> either way
[10:22] <darkkish_> i need to find it
[10:22] <genii> apmd ?
[10:23] <darkkish_> >_>
[10:23] <MilhousePunkRock> darkkish_: That's the guidance power manager
[10:24] <deus> I installed klaptopdaemon, but no I cant find it
[10:24] <MilhousePunkRock> deus: That's a demon, like the name says, what did you expect to find?
[10:25] <genii> deus It can be found under kcontrol usually
[10:25] <genii> Well, the options anyhow
[10:25] <deus> whats kcontrol?
[10:26] <deus> ("
[10:26] <deus> ("K controls a lot of things")
[10:26] <MilhousePunkRock> genii: Not necessarily, I lost all my power settings in KControl after I upgraded to Edgy
[10:26] <Jucato> kcontrol or system settings
[10:26] <Jucato> KControl = original KDE Control Center; System Settings = modified/lightweight KDE Control Center (Kubuntu)
[10:27] <matthew_> MilhousePunkRock, did you look under the advanced options tab?
[10:27] <MilhousePunkRock> matthew_: Yeah... It's just gone... It used to be in the administration section
[10:29] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: you can still use kcontrol in kubutnu
[10:29] <deus> yeah, I cant find it anywhere.  I was hoping for something that goes in my system tray on on the panel that tells me what my charge is and how much I have left
[10:29] <deus> or on the panel
[10:29] <matthew_> MilhousePunkRock, hmmm, weird...
[10:30] <darkkish_> YES
[10:30] <vdbnicolas> SAllut
[10:30] <Jucato> deus: in System Settings -> Advanced -> Service Manager, try to see if klaptopdaemon is running (not really sure it would be there)
[10:30] <vdbnicolas> =)
[10:30] <darkkish_> THANK YOU
[10:30] <darkkish_> damnit i'm never any good at guessing the first letter
[10:30] <vdbnicolas> Y  til des francais ?
[10:30] <stdin> !fr | vdbnicolas
[10:30] <ubotu> vdbnicolas: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:30] <darkkish_> wow this lag meter keeps giogn off the chat
[10:30] <darkkish_> chart
[10:30] <darkkish_> it got up to 25 seconds
[10:31] <darkkish_> wow
[10:31] <darkkish_> yeah somethign is wrong with my internet
[10:31] <darkkish_> night guys
[10:31] <darkkish_> #kubuntu-fr
[10:31] <deus> Jucato: its not enable.  How do I enable it?
[10:32] <Jucato> deus: but it's in the list?
[10:32] <deus> yeah
[10:32] <Jucato> deus: there's a checkbox beside the name?
[10:32] <deus> no, its on the top list
[10:32] <deus> load on demand services
[10:32] <Jucato> ah it's saying that it's Not Running?
[10:33] <Jucato> hmm...
[10:33] <deus> theres buttons to run it, but they're grey out
[10:33] <deus> yeah
[10:33] <Jucato> those buttons are for the ones in the bottom list...
[10:33] <Jucato> deus: System Settings -> Advanced -> System Services ?
[10:34] <deus> oh, wrong thing
[10:35] <deus> Its not on that list
[10:35] <Jucato> oh... ok.. don't know anymore.. :(
[10:35] <darkkish_> night guys
[10:35] <deus> genii, you still up?
[10:36] <deus> any ideas left?
[10:36] <genii> yeah considering this fglrx stuff
[10:36] <deus> okay
[10:36] <matthew_> deus, one thing I've learned about genii: He's always got ideas...
[10:37] <deus> yeah, thats always a good thing
[10:37] <genii> usually more than 1 way to do a job
[10:38] <genii> I was thinking about just manually making the devs needed but udev will defeat it every boot. There could be a udev.rules entry
[10:38] <deus> hmmm...
[10:38] <genii> Also this would be highly experimental and I would do it ona box I own but likely not recommend it to someone else to do
[10:38] <deus> yeah
[10:39] <jita> how do i change my default movie player to mplayer. it always open with kaffeine although i changed it in options to open it with mplayer
[10:39] <deus> genii: are there other drivers I can install?
[10:40] <genii> I wrote several udev.rules before to make /dev/modem for instance point to a /dev/ttyLTM0 winmodem etc etc
[10:41] <deus> hmm...
[10:41] <genii> deus Well, you could try the stock ati driver. Just from "fglrx" to "ati" etc and of course dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    etc etc
[10:42] <deus> would that work as well?
[10:42] <genii> Seeing as it seems to desire a GL specific device I'd say it's a longshot really
[10:42] <deus> mmm...
[10:43] <deus> well, I dont really know how anything works here
[10:43] <deus> I might just call it a night, unless you got anything else
[10:44] <genii> also we know the major and minor device nodes but not for instance the type like char block etc
[10:44] <stdin> jita: in konqueror, go to settings -> configure konqueror -> File Associations -> video and moce mplayer to the top for each format
[10:44] <deus> Id also like to swap caps-lock and backspace in the next day or two.  Do you know if there's an easy, graphical frontend?
[10:44] <genii> deus Well I'll think about it if yer here or not now ROFL
[10:44] <stdin> s/moce/move
[10:45] <deus> whats so funny?
[10:45] <jita> stdin: ty
[10:45] <genii> deus It's like that little puzzle that gets in your brain and you can't stop thinking of ways to approach a solution etc
[10:45] <stdin> np
[10:45] <deus> haha
[10:46] <deus> hey, matthew_, wouldnt this constitute genii not having an idea?
[10:46] <deus> you said, "one thing I've learned about genii: He's always got ideas..."
[10:46] <matthew_> deus, nah, it just hasn't broken free from his subconscious yet
[10:47] <genii> I have ideas just the viability of said ideas is shaky
[10:47] <deus> rofg
[10:47] <genii> :)
[10:47] <deus> that doesnt count
[10:47] <deus> that makes as much sense as trusted computing
[10:47] <genii> bleh there go my brownie points
[10:48] <genii> Anyhow since I love to tinker I would try some of it at home but not recommend it etc etc as I said earlier
[10:48] <deus> so, whats the easiest way to swap keys?  Can I write a script for xmodmap?
[10:49] <genii> deus http://www.xfree86.org/current/xmodmap.1.html
[10:51] <deus> okay, i tried this before and I kept screwing up
[10:52] <deus> theres a little script that they write about swaping the caps lock and control
[10:52] <genii> Hangon and I'll see about finding the right keycodes
[10:52] <max_> does anyone use kxdocker?
[10:52] <genii> Which keys you want swapped again?
[10:52] <deus> caps and backspace
[10:52] <genii> deus OK lemme look into it
[10:56] <deus> what confuses me about the script they write is what I should change
[10:57] <deus> how does control become backspace?
[11:01] <momal> Hey Im connected through ssh on my friends linux box. How can I make a program start up under his user account and load up on his screen ?
[11:04] <genii> deus http://pastebin.com/843685
[11:04] <matthew_> momal, after you're logged into his machine, try typing the command to open a program
[11:06] <stdin> momal: and set the display variable,  DISPLAY=:0
[11:07] <genii> I used to do something like echo "Hey you! Quit messing around!" | /dev/ttyX       where X is the tty you see them messing around on
[11:07] <genii> Yeah for X apps it will force it to the default display etc
[11:07] <deus> how do you do that?
[11:07] <genii> (DISPLAY=:0)
[11:08] <deus> no i mean, how do you hack into other people's computers?
[11:08] <genii> realvnc used to let you share a remote desktop like that
[11:08] <deus> okay, im gonna try this, hopefully it will work
[11:09] <deus> sudo xmodmap [filename]  ?
[11:09] <max_> does anyone have Kiba Dock running?
[11:09] <genii> deus You know to put it in that rc file in home dir right?
[11:09] <deus> yeah
[11:09] <genii> OK
[11:09] <genii> eg: .xmodmaprc.
[11:10] <momal> stdin, matthew_ : I set the display varible and when i try to run it just says : cannot connect to X server
[11:10] <genii> no period after
[11:10] <deus> wait, if the file is keyswap, what exactly should I type?
[11:10] <matthew_> momal, hmmm...I had an idea....but I forgot it...it's 2 in the morning here
[11:10] <momal> lol
[11:11] <stdin> momal: are you logged in as that user (the one logged in at the physical machine)?
[11:11] <deus> http://pastebin.com/843689
[11:11] <momal> yup loged into his user account under ssh
[11:12] <stdin> momal: try xhost +(your IP Address)
[11:12] <stdin> like xhost +192.168.0.1
[11:12] <momal> is this to connect to him ?... or do i do this while connected
[11:12] <stdin> while connected and logged in as him
[11:13] <genii> deus if you saved the file as "keyswap" then in your .Xsession or .startx   file add:   xmodmap keyswap &
[11:13] <deus> umm...
[11:13] <matthew_> night everyone
[11:13] <stdin> nn
[11:13] <momal> xhost:  unable to open display ""
[11:14] <stdin> momal: did you set DISPLAY ?
[11:14] <stdin> ie type: DISPLAY=:0
[11:14] <genii> deus LOL OK replace all instances of Backspace with Delete
[11:14] <momal> zippo@zippolah:/root$ echo $DISPLAY
[11:14] <momal> :0
[11:14] <matthew_> momal, why don't you just do a remote desktop thing? I know there is an application for it that comes bundled....
[11:14] <matthew_> that was the idea that I forgot.
[11:14] <matthew_> night
[11:14] <momal> ... he is on worse then dialup lol
[11:14] <momal> ssh lags behind
[11:15] <deus> genii: /etc/X11/XSession?
[11:15] <deus> where in that file?
[11:15] <deus> And I do know this code style
[11:15] <stdin> momal: what do you get with: DISPLAY=:0 xhost
[11:15] <deus> its perl, right?
[11:15] <genii> deus No, in /home/username/.Xsession
[11:16] <momal> access control enabled, only authorized clients can connect
[11:16] <naught101> anyone know where I might find info on klaptop not showing all the power profiles?
[11:16] <deus> I cant find such a file.  Should I create it?
[11:16] <deus> theres a file called xsession-errors
[11:16] <genii> deus yes if neccesary
[11:16] <stdin> momal: try: DISPLAY=:0 xhost +(your IP)
[11:17] <momal> ip being added to access control list
[11:17] <genii> deus if the file "keyswap" is in some place other than /home/username    put the full path to it
[11:17] <momal> so now should work fine ?
[11:18] <stdin> should do
[11:18] <stdin> also look at kdialog to post messages to him :p
[11:18] <deus> " xmodmap keyswap & " ? with the amperstand?
[11:18] <xenol> plz where from i can download tuxracer?
[11:18] <genii> deus yes, the ampersand is *most* important
[11:18] <xenol> !tuxracer
[11:18] <ubotu> Tuxracer is now renamed Planet Penguin Racer! The package is planetpenguin-racer in !universe. Enjoy.
[11:19] <deus> what does it do?
[11:19] <deus> alright, I got that file in place.  Should I restart X?
[11:19] <deus> did you see my pastebin?
[11:19] <genii> deus Basically loads the thing you just told it then goes on to load the next thing
[11:19] <momal> stdin: it worked thanks ^^
[11:19] <deus> http://pastebin.com/843689?
[11:19] <deus> http://pastebin.com/843689
[11:19] <stdin> no
[11:19] <genii> no ampersand = stuck
[11:19] <stdin> * no problem :p
[11:20] <deus> oh, i see, so my computer will stop.  That would be bad
[11:20] <stdin> ampersand backgrounds the process
[11:20] <naught101> ok... powersaved doesn't seem to work with klaptop
[11:21] <genii> stdin thx for the more elegant explanation
[11:21] <stdin> :D
[11:22] <deus> genii: if that program had errors, dont you think we should fix them before putting them in the .XSession file?
[11:22] <genii> deus did you change the instances of Backspace to read Delete  instead already?
[11:22] <deus> what?
[11:22] <deus> oh Im sorry
[11:23] <genii> deus anyhow, if it fails, it will just mean the current keymap stays unchanged is all
[11:24] <deus> okay
[11:24] <genii> The only keys which would be horribly difficult to sort out if messed up would be Enter key for instance
[11:24] <deus> well, that didnt seem to change anything
[11:24] <deus> what if I couldnt use the a key?
[11:24] <deus> wait, the delete key is now a capslock
[11:24] <genii> deus See if the other key labelled Delete is now the capslock then
[11:25] <deus> but the old capslock is still the same
[11:25] <genii> I may have to find the exact scancode
[11:25] <genii> bleh
[11:26] <genii> I'm battin less than .500 tonight
[11:27] <fdoving> genii, deus what are you guys trying to do?
[11:27] <fdoving> .. it sounds interessting :)
[11:28] <deus> were trying to swap the capslock and backspace keys
[11:28] <genii> fdoving LOL aside from trying to get his wintv usb adapter going, swap capslock and backspace
[11:28] <deus> genii, I can tell you that the keycode for my compueter is
[11:28] <fdoving> tv adapters i know nothing about.
[11:28] <deus> (according to xev)
[11:29] <genii> deus>	genii, I can tell you that the keycode for my compueter is
[11:29] <genii> ?
[11:29] <deus> 66 for capslock
[11:29] <genii> OK
[11:29] <deus> and 22 for backsapce
[11:30] <deus> I had to go back and look
[11:30] <genii> back shortly
[11:35] <deus> genii
[11:35] <deus> I got Backspace mapped to capslock
[11:35] <deus> and capslock mapped to backspace
[11:36] <deus> however, capslock still does capslock
[11:36] <deus> it does both
[11:36] <genii> Heh
[11:36] <deus> when I press capslock, it toggles caps lock and backspace
[11:36] <deus> Ack!
[11:36] <deus> its tough to fix a mistake
[11:37] <deus> you have to make an even number of errors
[11:37] <genii> pls pastebin the keyswap file
[11:37] <deus> oh, its yours, but the s in backspace is capitalized
[11:37] <deus> "BackSpace"
[11:37] <genii> Ah Ok
[11:38] <deus> not "Backspace"
[11:38] <genii> 1 min
[11:38] <deus> so how do I fix it!
[11:38] <genii> I have to go look at it agian, brb
[11:39] <deus> ugh, I should stop myself before doing stuff
[11:39] <fdoving> you can set capslock to do nothing in system settings -> regional & language -> keyboard setup -> xkb
[11:39] <fdoving> that might help.
[11:39] <deus> now backspace is both caps lock and backspace, and capslock is nothing
[11:40] <genii> rm    add Lock = Backspace
[11:40] <deus> thats exactly what I dont want to do, fdoving
[11:40] <deus> thats alrEADY ON THERE
[11:40] <fdoving> if you do that first, and then do your magic, it won't have both functions.
[11:40] <fdoving> oh.
[11:40] <deus> SORRY FOR THE CAPS
[11:40] <fdoving> ok.
[11:40] <fdoving> so, you use xmodmap?
[11:40] <deus> YEAH
[11:40] <genii> add BackSpace = BackSpace
[11:40] <fdoving> ok.
[11:41] <fdoving> can you pastebin the xmodmap conf?
[11:41] <deus> no
[11:42] <deus> fdoving: yeah, hold no
[11:42] <deus> on
[11:42] <deus> genii: that didnt work
[11:42] <genii> bleh
[11:42] <deus> xmodmap:  keyswap:9:  bad add modifier name 'back', not allowed
[11:42] <user_deployment> planetpenguyin needs gl for i845g help
[11:42] <user_deployment> \o genii
[11:43] <user_deployment> usual game problem
[11:44] <genii> deus line to alter: add Lock = BackSpace
[11:44] <genii> change to:       add BackSpace = BackSpace
[11:44] <vdbnicolas> french ?
[11:45] <genii> !fr
[11:45] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:45] <stdin> too late :p
[11:45] <deus> can you re-pastebin what you suggest? genii
[11:45] <genii> deus OK gimme a minute
[11:45] <deus> http://pastebin.com/843695
[11:46] <deus> I thikn I relly screwed it up
[11:47] <deus> restarted x
[11:47] <deus> okay, everything in working order
[11:47] <genii> deus http://pastebin.com/843697
[11:49] <deus> it didnt like lines 4 and 8
[11:49] <deus> xmodmap:  keyswap:8:  bad add modifier name 'backspace', not allowed
[11:49] <deus> xmodmap:  keyswap:4:  bad remove modifier name 'backspace', not allowed
[11:49] <ForgeAus> I ALMOST used linux to bypass WGA in microsoft! rofl :)
[11:50] <deus> wga?
[11:50] <genii> wtf?
[11:50] <stdin> windoes genuine advantage
[11:50] <stdin> another great MS idea
[11:50] <stdin> NOT
[11:50] <deus> is that the windows lincesing thing?
[11:50] <ForgeAus> yeah
[11:50] <ForgeAus> software wise anyway
[11:51] <deus> that prevents you from putting windows on multiple computers?
[11:51] <ForgeAus> yup
[11:51] <ForgeAus> well not exactly
[11:51] <deus> lolz
[11:51] <ForgeAus> it just prevents you from getting the updates you want
[11:51] <stdin> it checks you licence key, to make sure it's valid
[11:51] <deus> nan da yo?
[11:51] <ForgeAus> nothing actually prevents you from putting it on multiple machines
[11:51] <deus> oh i see
[11:51] <ForgeAus> its more like windows authentication that stops that
[11:51] <ForgeAus> not Windows Genuine Advantage
[11:52] <ForgeAus> its going to be worse in Vista
[11:52] <ForgeAus> inf act I'm hthinking I don't want to touch vista at all
[11:52] <ForgeAus> I don't even like the interface
[11:52] <deus> I fully expect that I will never have to use that OS
[11:52] <stdin> why would I want to poisen my PC with vista?
[11:52] <ForgeAus> deus, thats a bold claim
[11:52] <ForgeAus> stdin, PoisOn
[11:52] <deus> vista, or windows in general?
[11:52] <ForgeAus> btw nice nickname :)
[11:52] <ForgeAus> vista specifically
[11:53] <stdin> :p
[11:53] <ForgeAus> ie your predicting the future
[11:53] <deus> why would I ever need vista
[11:53] <ForgeAus> XP is kinda nice imho
[11:53] <deus> I can predict some of the things Ill do
[11:53] <ForgeAus> but then I'm coming from a dos -> win311, Win95/98/ME, XP background!
[11:53] <stdin> XP is pure (well i can't say, there may be kids in here)
[11:53] <deus> yeah, but I wanna learn linux
[11:54] <ForgeAus> actually I can go back futher, dos -> win 3.0... lol
[11:54] <deus> genii, any ideas on this keyswap thing?
[11:54] <ForgeAus> same hear
[11:54] <ForgeAus> grr here
[11:54] <genii> I have an idea yes
[11:54] <ForgeAus> I think linux is the way for me... which is why I'm messing with kubuntu
[11:54] <ForgeAus> I'm installing too much stuff tho
[11:54] <genii> deus http://pastebin.com/843698
[11:54] <ForgeAus> I have to try it out to know what to uninstall rofl :)
[11:55] <stdin> I'm just about to reinstall feisty
[11:55] <ForgeAus> also anyone know what a SIGSEGV1 error means???
[11:56] <genii> deus you may need "=" sign between Lock and Caps_Lock ...sorry for booboo
[11:56] <ForgeAus> even from fresh on different machine (non VMware) but using the live disk to boot from rather than install...  I get same error
[11:56] <ForgeAus> is my kubuntu faulty? or is it something about the ASUS/ATI combo?
[11:56] <deus> xmodmap:  keyswap:3:  bad add modifier keysym list (empty)
[11:57] <deus> okay, now caps lock is backspace and capslock, and backspace is just capslock
[11:57] <genii> deus pls put =    between Lock   and Caps_Lock on line 3
[11:57] <deus> okay done
[11:58] <ForgeAus> is Aegis good? and exactly what kind of virus (es?) can Linux get?
[11:58] <deus> what is aegis
[11:59] <Stalwart> ForgeAus: there are no viruses in official repos, use only soft from repos and you're safe
[11:59] <ForgeAus> and is it still succeptible to spyware? (I'm sure keyloggers or hijaaks and stuff still would affect it)
[11:59] <stdin> short answer: linux doesn't get viruses, at all
[11:59] <stdin> no viruses, spyware, mailware .......
[11:59] <deus> very few virii are written for linux.  Its hard to write and less impact than windows , so why BOTHER?
[12:00] <Stalwart> if you use good browser (everything except ie6 on wine) you're safe
[12:00] <deus> sorry for the caps
[12:00] <ForgeAus> heeh deux I wouldn't bother... but I'm not a virus writer...
[12:00] <deus> why would you use ie on wine?    its just...
[12:00] <genii> deus Any joy on capslock yet?
[12:00] <Stalwart> deus: to get spyware
[12:00] <deus> no
[12:00] <Stalwart> in case anyone needs spyware on linux...
[12:00] <ForgeAus> so firefox or konqueror and no problems
[12:00] <Stalwart> and you can try to run viruses using wine
[12:01] <Stalwart> ForgeAus: nope
[12:01] <deus> caps lock is now both caps and back, and back is now caps only
[12:01] <deus> so, some improvement
[12:01] <stdin> the most a virus in wine will do, is mess up wine
[12:01] <ForgeAus> I still think I'llg et the virus scanner just to b safe
[12:01] <ForgeAus> how about trojans and worms?
[12:01] <genii> since directX is source of most exploits even ie6 on wine is safer than ie6 on stock windoze box... directx like /dev/null
[12:01] <stdin> (maybe your $HOME, but that's less likely)
[12:01] <Stalwart> i read some virus test on wine, they crash to much ;[
[12:02] <ForgeAus> rofl Stal :)
[12:02] <Stalwart> genii: not directx. but activex probably
[12:02] <genii> activex yes... very tired :)
[12:02] <deus> yeah, why is windows even bothering twith activeX? does anyone actually use it besides virus writers?
[12:02] <ForgeAus> yeah I agree activex
[12:02] <Stalwart> directx sucks so much it's impossible to write virus using it
[12:02] <stdin> you can get activex for mozilla, but why would you?
[12:02] <genii> stdin exactly
[12:03] <ForgeAus> yeah mozilla has plugins for it
[12:03] <genii> so win version of windows update page works from mozilla?
[12:03] <deus> why?
[12:03] <genii> lol
[12:03] <Stalwart> i'm crious why noone tried to write virus on java? it would ask user to install JVM from Sun to run itself...
[12:03] <ForgeAus> the whole idea of ActiveX was to objectize things...
[12:03] <Stalwart> genii: works
[12:03] <stdin> yeah, win updates uses activex
[12:03] <ForgeAus> so you just had to make a reference to any object that exists rather than having to specify an exact one...
[12:03] <deus> java has some basic sercurity stuff
[12:04] <genii> Well I know some ppl that only keep ie because of windows update page (this is windows OS but they like FF or mozilla for browser)
[12:04] <Stalwart> you can write files using java, therefore you can crash windoze
[12:04] <deus> really?
[12:04] <ForgeAus> does ie7 work on *nix at all?
[12:04] <deus> ha
[12:04] <Stalwart> genii: windoze won't work well w/o ie
[12:04] <fdoving> deus: did you make the keys work, i did it. want the config?
[12:04] <Stalwart> very much apps use ie engine ;[
[12:04] <ForgeAus> ie is a base part of it
[12:05] <deus> why would you want it? who would take the time to port ie to widows
[12:05] <genii> There used to be a *nix ie5.02 but they covered it up
[12:05] <deus> yeah
[12:05] <deus> thaNks
[12:05] <genii> solaris ver
[12:05] <Stalwart> there was a macosx version
[12:05] <ForgeAus> now kde or konqueror to windows would be interesting to see :)
[12:05] <deus> Id pay for that!
[12:05] <Stalwart> konq4 will use webkit \o/
[12:05] <ForgeAus> whats webkit?
[12:05] <Stalwart> khtml on steroids
[12:06] <ForgeAus> whats khtml?
[12:06] <deus> fdoving: could you show me the config?
[12:06] <fdoving> deus: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/xmodmap-caps-backspace-on
[12:06] <Stalwart> used in safari
[12:06] <fdoving> deus: run 'xmodmap xmodmap-caps-backspace-on'
[12:06] <ForgeAus> safari is mac's web browser right?
[12:06] <Stalwart> yes
[12:06] <ForgeAus> (although theres an IE for mac and prolly a few others)
[12:06] <ForgeAus> hh?
[12:06] <ForgeAus> what about lynx?
[12:06] <ForgeAus> whats hh anyway?
[12:06] <Stalwart> webkit is basic part of macosx and nokia phones
[12:07] <ForgeAus> is it in any other linux apps?
[12:07] <stdin> !lynx
[12:07] <ubotu> Browsers available for Linux: Firefox (GTK, Gecko engine), Konqueror (KDE/Qt, KHTML engine), Epiphany (GTK, Gecko engine), Dillo (GTK), Links2 (terminal-based or graphical, see !man page), Opera (Qt, proprietary)  -  HTTP servers: apache2
[12:07] <Stalwart> you probably didn't know that much nokia phones use konq engine ;)
[12:07] <ForgeAus> um theres more than just that
[12:07] <deus> fdoving: I ran it, and now everything is back to normal again
[12:08] <ForgeAus> not sure if seamonkey and/or kmeleon work under linux
[12:08] <deus> wtf?
[12:08] <Stalwart> ForgeAus: seamonkey works, kmeleon is win32-only
[12:08] <ForgeAus> but theres also galleon
[12:08] <deus> alright, besides ie, what the worst browser?
[12:08] <Stalwart> deus: telnet
[12:08] <ForgeAus> deus, ie isn't the worst
[12:08] <ForgeAus> rofl stalwart :)
[12:08] <genii> ForgeAus hh.exe is the windoze help application. Since it can do active content you can websurf with it. i used to use it to test vrml pages without having to load ie every time
[12:08] <deus> telnet is not a browser
[12:08] <ForgeAus> remember mosaic?
[12:08] <fdoving> deus: ok, then you had some weird config before running it. that swapped backspace and caps_lock here atleast.
[12:08] <d34l3r> hi all :_)
[12:08] <ForgeAus> you can use telnet as a browser
[12:09] <genii> ForgeAus yes indeed :)
[12:09] <ForgeAus> (esp with lynx)
[12:09] <Stalwart> deus: it's not an irc client also, but i used it to chat in school =] 
[12:09] <genii> mosaic unfortunately became ie
[12:09] <d34l3r> has Kubuntu an implented way to see how many KB/s are currently incoming and outgoing?
[12:09] <deus> Stalwart: HEy! that fixed it!
[12:09] <d34l3r> or do i need to install gdesklets or something for that
[12:09] <d34l3r> ?
[12:09] <ForgeAus> d34l3r????
[12:09] <Stalwart> d34l3r: use karamba
[12:09] <Stalwart> deus: fixed what?
[12:09] <d34l3r> I dont wanna use an extra program
[12:10] <Stalwart> d34l3r: doesn't nemo show speed?
[12:10] <d34l3r> ? nemo?
[12:10] <d34l3r> ^^ i dunno nemo :-D
[12:10] <Stalwart> yes, NeMo
[12:10] <stdin> d34l3r: knetdockapp works well
[12:10] <ForgeAus> ytalk was interesting
[12:10] <d34l3r> already installed stdin?
[12:10] <d34l3r> or do i need to install seperately?
[12:10] <deus> fdoving:  that fixed it. thanks
[12:10] <Stalwart> afaik separately
[12:10] <stdin> I think you have to install it
[12:10] <d34l3r> thats bad ^^ I am already installing somethin
[12:10] <d34l3r> and i wanna see download speed
[12:11] <d34l3r> because i use easyubuntu to install Skype
[12:11] <d34l3r> and it doesn't show speed
[12:11] <d34l3r> ^^
[12:11] <Stalwart> d34l3r: good programs show download speed
[12:11] <ForgeAus> we had a special version of a chat proggie that was a sublayer or something of IRC... (even more basic than IRC is)... nicer interface tho... all text... plus had an ELIZA bot running rofl :)
[12:11] <stdin> eww, easyubutnu
[12:11] <d34l3r> easyubuntu is just a script ;)
[12:11] <deus> I love how you all spell it windoze
[12:11] <ForgeAus> I think they need a Bubuntu!!!
[12:11] <genii> Heh I remember that damn eliza
[12:11] <Stalwart> ewwwwwwww, can't you install skype manually?
[12:11] <ForgeAus> (beryl ubuntu!)
[12:11] <genii> turing test stuff
[12:11] <d34l3r> dont wanna :-D
[12:11] <d34l3r> too lazy *g
[12:11] <fdoving> !skype | stalwart
[12:11] <ubotu> stalwart: To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype  -  To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[12:11] <deus> beryl?
[12:11] <ForgeAus> and perhaps a Eubuntu! (enlightenment)
[12:12] <Stalwart> ubotu: i have friends working for skype, i know how to install it ;)
[12:12] <ForgeAus> actually seriously is enlightenment any good? I remember there being a big thing about it when it first started
[12:12] <genii> ooh enlightenment would be sweeeeet
[12:12] <Stalwart> we need twbuntu
[12:12] <ForgeAus> well theres already ubutnu (which prolly should be Gnubuntu! rofl) Kubuntu, and Xubuntu
[12:12] <Stalwart> with twm
[12:12] <deus> whats enlightenment? Whats beryl?
[12:12] <ForgeAus> twm?
[12:12] <ForgeAus> deus they're virtual windows managers
[12:13] <d34l3r> beryl is some 3D desktop
[12:13] <ForgeAus> except maybe twm is a tabbed one
[12:13] <genii> hmmm fvwm2
[12:13] <d34l3r> @ deus
[12:13] <voicu> !xen
[12:13] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[12:13] <Stalwart> ratpoisonbuntu!! \o/
[12:13] <ForgeAus> fubuntu? rofl!
[12:13] <intelikey> well it seems that ubuntu is incapable of making an fat16 partition and file system that windows 95 can use
[12:13] <d34l3r> fubuntu lol
[12:13] <d34l3r> ^^
[12:13] <ForgeAus> ratbuntu :)
[12:13] <ForgeAus> evilbuntu?
[12:13] <fdoving> intelikey: that's not true.
[12:13] <ForgeAus> NeXTbuntu
[12:13] <Stalwart> ForgeAus: there's ubuntu satanic edition already :D
[12:13] <fdoving> intelikey: mkdosfs ?
[12:13] <intelikey> fdoving it seems that way here.
[12:13] <ForgeAus> lol Stalwart, really?
[12:13] <d34l3r> what about winbuntu:-D
[12:13] <d34l3r> xD
[12:13] <ForgeAus> winebuntu?
[12:14] <intelikey> yes i used mkdosfs
[12:14] <genii> linbuntu
[12:14] <d34l3r> not wine
[12:14] <d34l3r> but win
[12:14] <Stalwart> ForgeAus: yes, also christian edition
[12:14] <d34l3r> ^^
[12:14] <ForgeAus> yeah I know theres a christian edition
[12:14] <d34l3r> linbuntu lmao
[12:14] <genii> hindubuntu
[12:14] <ForgeAus> heard about htat one
[12:14] <Hobbsee> Stalwart: i'll bet the satanic versoin is evil, and kills off your drive
[12:14] <d34l3r> mohabuntu :-D
[12:14] <d34l3r> ^^
[12:14] <fdoving> intelikey: it can create a fat16 fs, if windows 95 can read it or not i don't know anything about.
[12:14] <ForgeAus> buddhabuntu
[12:14] <d34l3r> ^^
[12:14] <Stalwart> macobuntu =] 
[12:14] <genii> ForgeAus :)
[12:14] <Stalwart> akoo-akoo-buntu =] 
[12:14] <ForgeAus> dagonbuntu?...
[12:14] <d34l3r> how about... gatesbuntu
[12:14] <d34l3r> :-D
[12:15] <genii> I'm partial now to buddhabuntu
[12:15] <ForgeAus> akooakoo?
[12:15] <ForgeAus> freebuntu?
[12:15] <d34l3r> gatesbuntu :-D
[12:15] <Stalwart> ForgeAus: akoo-akoo =] 
[12:15] <fdoving> !offtopic
[12:15] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:15] <Stalwart> akoobuntu probably :D
[12:15] <ForgeAus> whats akoo akoo?
[12:15] <intelikey> fdoving it makes an fat16 fs that ubuntu can read but not that win9x can access.   win9x can't even reformat the partition.
[12:15] <Stalwart> pagan god from Crash Bandicoot series
[12:15] <ForgeAus> oh ok I havn't played those games...
[12:15] <Stalwart> ^_^
[12:16] <Stalwart> i played Black&white... it could be Stalwartbuntu
[12:16] <Stalwart> muuwhahahaha
[12:16] <d34l3r> hackbuntu :S
[12:16] <ForgeAus> don't you mean haskellbuntu?
[12:16] <genii> iUbuntu
[12:16] <ForgeAus> rofl geni
[12:16] <Stalwart> trapezoidbuntu o.O
[12:16] <d34l3r> gamersbuntu would also be nice
[12:16] <d34l3r> :-)
[12:16] <ForgeAus> how about IOUbuntu?
[12:16] <d34l3r> gamersbuntu :-D
[12:16] <genii> ROFLMAO
[12:17] <Stalwart> counter-buntu
[12:17] <d34l3r> counter-buntus wins
[12:17] <d34l3r> :-D
[12:17] <Stalwart> :D
[12:17] <d34l3r> terror-buntus wins
[12:17] <d34l3r> ^^
[12:17] <ForgeAus> the commercial version would be that.. IOUbuntu
[12:17] <intelikey> fdoving i can boot the dos7 on it via dosemu  but it can't boot from bios   and using a floppy boot disk (win95) fdisk calls the partition fat16 and bootable  but format cant/wont touch it.
[12:17] <ForgeAus> anyhow
[12:17] <ForgeAus> dos7? you mean Win95?
[12:17] <Stalwart> ttybuntu
[12:17] <d34l3r> ^^
[12:18] <d34l3r> noobuntu for the windoze noobs
[12:18] <d34l3r> :-D
[12:18] <ForgeAus> was does that mean win98 was dos8 ??
[12:18] <Stalwart> :DDDDD
[12:18] <genii> intelikey What the hell you need a fat16 specifically for?
[12:18] <deus> you cant have a commercial ubuntu! that violates the principle of the word ubuntu!
[12:18] <d34l3r> noobuntu :-D
[12:18] <ForgeAus> d34l3r thats what I need
[12:18] <d34l3r> :-D
[12:18] <d34l3r> lol
[12:18] <d34l3r> why
[12:18] <intelikey> genii for win95
[12:18] <Stalwart> deus: we can sell techsupport and techsupporters
[12:18] <deus> havent you seen the video?
[12:18] <ForgeAus> deus, I'm sure some company would find a way
[12:18] <intelikey> genii win95-a did not have fat32 support
[12:19] <d34l3r> ForgeAus: why do you need noobuntu
[12:19] <d34l3r> ?
[12:19] <d34l3r> ^^
[12:19] <genii> intelikey this is true. How large is the partition? fat16 is no good for over 540 normally
[12:19] <ForgeAus> because I'm not normlaly a linux head
[12:19] <ForgeAus> I'm a n00b!
[12:19] <d34l3r> :-D
[12:19] <d34l3r> (K)ubuntu is already easy to use
[12:19] <genii> unless lba fat16
[12:19] <d34l3r> except the sudo/su "problem"
[12:20] <ForgeAus> sudo/su is a problem?
[12:20] <d34l3r> nope
[12:20] <intelikey> ForgeAus and if you recall win9x runs on top of dos7    as ubuntu runs on top of linux
[12:20] <ForgeAus> well its not handy for installing but other than that
[12:20] <d34l3r> some other linux users would find it crazy
[12:20] <d34l3r> because of that i say "problem"
[12:20] <ForgeAus> intel, I can't recall something I didn't know lol
[12:20] <stdin> what sudo/su problem, is it that difficult to type 'do' at the end of the command?
[12:20] <Stalwart> security isn't a problem
[12:20] <deus> forgeAus, you can get so much help on this channel
[12:20] <intelikey> genii fat16 is 2g max    no?   and the partition is 1.9g
[12:20] <fdoving> d34l3r: it's easy to disable the sudo specific things.
[12:20] <ForgeAus> deus I agree
[12:20] <d34l3r> i dont have any PROBLEMS
[12:20] <d34l3r> omfg
[12:20] <d34l3r> -.-
[12:20] <ForgeAus> this channel ROX
[12:21] <ForgeAus> its my linux safe-haven!
[12:21] <deus> btw, no offesnse, but I really want to put an 'n' in the middle of you nickname
[12:21] <d34l3r> i just say other Linux users not using any ubuntu version think it is crazy
[12:21] <genii> intelikey All I remember is any drive I tried to share larger than 540 over parallel link would never work
[12:21] <d34l3r> because of that i say "problem" ... i dont have any problem to use sudo
[12:21] <d34l3r> instead of su
[12:21] <deus> aww, your kidding me
[12:21] <d34l3r> ForgeAus: qry
[12:21] <intelikey> genii but that wasn't fat16 limitation.
[12:22] <d34l3r> argh
[12:22] <deus> my new backspace doesnt have repeat keys
[12:22] <d34l3r> i am not registered >_<
[12:22] <ForgeAus> why sudo instead of kdesu?
[12:22] <d34l3r> kdesu for KDE programs
[12:22] <d34l3r> but sudo for console
[12:22] <d34l3r> ;)
[12:22] <d34l3r> i would recommend
[12:22] <ForgeAus> sudo for konsole? rofl
[12:22] <d34l3r> ^^
[12:22] <deus> so when I hold it down, it doesnt do backspace over and over again like it used to
[12:22] <ForgeAus> I must admit I'm a huge KDE fan
[12:22] <d34l3r> << too
[12:22] <d34l3r> @ ForgeAus
[12:22] <intelikey> ForgeAus no kdesu for konsole  sudo for console
[12:23] <d34l3r> just like i said
[12:23] <d34l3r> ^^
[12:23] <d34l3r> @ intelikey
[12:23] <deus> how does kde compare to, say, Gnome?
[12:23] <d34l3r> i would it describe as
[12:23] <ForgeAus> is ubuntu 6.10 equiv to as kubuntu 6.10?
[12:23] <ForgeAus> grr no as in there
[12:23] <intelikey> deus you install both and compare them.
[12:23] <deus> yeah, it think
[12:23] <fdoving> ForgeAus: yes, it's much the same under the hood.
[12:23] <deus> dont wanna
[12:23] <ForgeAus> if I do a dist upgrade... to ubuntu 6.10 what happens?
[12:23] <d34l3r> more complex functions against very easy to use but with less functions
[12:23] <d34l3r> @ deus
[12:23] <d34l3r> but I prefer KDE
[12:24] <intelikey> ForgeAus yes *buntu is *buntu
[12:24] <ForgeAus> then a distupgrade to xubuntu? rofl :)
[12:24] <d34l3r> omfg
[12:24] <d34l3r> no
[12:24] <deus> which one is which, d34l3r?
[12:24] <ForgeAus> *buntu is just ubuntu with different window managers I get that bit
[12:24] <d34l3r> Kubuntu has KDE
[12:24] <d34l3r> normal Ubuntu has Gnome
[12:24] <ForgeAus> (cept nubuntu wichi s something diff)
[12:24] <fdoving> ForgeAus: nothing. you'll have to install the ubuntu-desktop package to have the gnome desktop. you can have kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop on the same install..
[12:24] <deus> d34l3r: which one is easier to use with less functions?
[12:24] <ForgeAus> fdoving, does it change the boot screen for example?
[12:25] <genii> deus looking into keyrates now
[12:25] <d34l3r> i would always recommend kde
[12:25] <fdoving> ForgeAus: yes, and you can later choose which one you want to use.
[12:25] <deus> how do I upgrade, when the time comes?
[12:25] <fdoving> !upgrade | deus
[12:25] <ubotu> deus: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[12:25] <ForgeAus> my Gnome (I'm using kubuntu) already boots up saying its ubunutu lol)
[12:25] <ForgeAus> I'm already using Edgy...
[12:25] <d34l3r> me too
[12:25] <d34l3r> i always install newest version... :-)
[12:25] <stdin> I'm on Feisty :S
[12:25] <d34l3r> lol
[12:26] <stdin> it's not exactly stable
[12:26] <d34l3r> but i dont use beta
[12:26] <d34l3r> :-P
[12:26] <ForgeAus> whats unstable about it tho?
 fdoving, does it change the boot screen for example <<<<   no.   boot is handeled by the boot loader not the desktop environment  nor the window manager.      login screen is handeled by the window manager.  gdm/kdm/xdm
[12:26] <fdoving> ForgeAus: you can change that. from a terminal: sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so
[12:26] <genii> Anyone using Etch ?
[12:26] <ForgeAus> and us ubuntu edgy as well or just kubuntu? or do they have diff release codenames?
[12:26] <d34l3r> ubuntu edgy / Kubuntu edgy
[12:26] <d34l3r> ;)
[12:26] <stdin> well, for a start, dcop stopped working for some reason
[12:26] <d34l3r> same...
[12:27] <fdoving> intelikey: i read 'boot screen' as usplash theme.
[12:27] <ForgeAus> whats the Etch thing about?
[12:27] <d34l3r> thats Debian
[12:27] <intelikey> fdoving ah
[12:27] <genii> Dev version = Etch
[12:27] <fdoving> intelikey: as for login manager, you'll get a question about what to use. kdm or gdm.
[12:27] <d34l3r> Sarge = very old / stable
[12:27] <deus> genii, if youre looking up key rates, can you hold on till tomarrow?  its 5am here and I really need to go to bed
[12:27] <d34l3r> sid = unstable
[12:27] <genii> np deus
[12:27] <deus> !etch
[12:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about etch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:28] <d34l3r> hmm
[12:28] <d34l3r> going to install xchat
[12:28] <d34l3r> i like it more then konversation
[12:28] <stdin> you need a debot :p
[12:28] <d34l3r> :-)
[12:28] <deus> good night
[12:28] <deus> oyasumi nasai (japanese)
[12:29] <stdin> bye (english)
[12:29] <genii> deus auf wedersehn
[12:29] <d34l3r> ^^
[12:29] <d34l3r> cYa deus
[12:30] <d34l3r> :-D
[12:30] <genii> intelikey At least you don't have ppl calling you for techsupport on the phone who complain their retractible cupholder is on the fritz when it's their cdrom try
[12:30] <stdin> I heard that one too :p
[12:30] <Jucato> my Konqueror won't boot!
[12:31] <d34l3r> :-P
[12:31] <d34l3r> comin back soon
[12:31] <intelikey> genii tell them to type eject in the console and hang up on them.
[12:31] <intelikey> :)
[12:31] <stdin> help my mouse wont boot :p
[12:31] <genii> intelikey They were trying to stick their cds into the ol 5 1/4" drive
[12:31] <d34l3r> bac
[12:31] <d34l3r> back
[12:31] <d34l3r> with my favorite chat client
[12:31] <d34l3r> not damn konversation
[12:31] <d34l3r> :-D
[12:31] <intelikey> genii i have seen that
[12:32] <d34l3r> d34l3r <3 xchat
[12:32] <intelikey> literally.   i have seen people put cdrom disks in 5.25 floppy slots.
[12:32] <d34l3r> omfg
[12:32] <genii> I know it boggles the mind
[12:32] <d34l3r> and what happened ^^ ?
[12:32] <d34l3r> cdroms where f**cked up?
[12:33] <d34l3r> after this misuse?
[12:33] <Jucato> I've seen people pull the power plug to turn off a computer...
[12:33] <d34l3r> :-D
[12:33] <d34l3r> like the TV
[12:33] <genii> They call tech support saying their cd drive doesn't read and won't eject
[12:33] <intelikey> d34l3r it scratches the disk a bit.  and gets them a good lecture.
[12:33] <d34l3r> ^^
[12:33] <genii> then you have to ask them if it has a little vertical lever on the outside etc
[12:33] <sivaji> ple tell me how to register in irc
[12:33] <stdin> I've seen people sit at a blank screen trying to turn the PC on, not knowing that it was just the monitor that was off
[12:34] <intelikey> sivaji /msg nickserv help
[12:34] <stdin> !register | sivaji
[12:34] <ubotu> sivaji: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[12:34] <sivaji> thank u
[12:34] <genii> One time I asked a customer to bring his computer in and he hauled in his monitor only
[12:35] <intelikey> stdin yeah.   sounds like you live near here.....
[12:35] <genii> Damned iMac generation!
[12:35] <d3413r> :-D BitchX
[12:35] <fdoving> !offtopic
[12:35] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:35] <genii> LOL fdoving point taken
[12:35] <intelikey> d3413r yessir
[12:35] <d3413r> irssi -.-
[12:35] <d3413r> bitchx > irssi
[12:36] <intelikey> openion.
[12:36] <d3413r> yep.
[12:36] <intelikey> i like.
[12:36] <stdin> konversation > them all :P
[12:36] <d3413r> nope
[12:36] <d3413r> Xchat > Konversation > all
[12:36] <genii> hey can kopete do SIP ?
[12:36] <fdoving> hi jucato :)
[12:36] <d3413r> @ stdin
[12:36] <intelikey> but there is not a nicole's worth of differance when you get past the default configs.
[12:36] <whimsical> ircII > all
[12:37] <d3413r> lol
[12:37] <d3413r> mirc
[12:37] <d3413r> ^^
[12:37] <stdin> d3413r: yes, I'm using konversation
[12:37] <d3413r> ;) no way
[12:37] <d3413r> irc_hide_version = 1
[12:37] <d3413r> but wait
[12:37] <genii> Perhaps gaim SIP plugin?
[12:37] <d3413r> now
[12:37] <d3413r> try again
[12:38] <d3413r> (Xchat is showing i got 1,25 GHZ Processor but thats not real)
[12:38] <stdin> [11:37]  [CTCP]  Received CTCP-VERSION reply from d3413r: xchat 2.6.6 Ubuntu
[12:38] <d3413r> i got Athlon XP 2800+
[12:38] <d3413r> ^^
[12:38] <genii> d3413r You have smp kernel?
[12:38] <d3413r> nope
[12:38] <stdin> try typing /sysinfo
[12:38] <d3413r> wait
[12:39] <d3413r> damn ^^ i forgot how to get kernel version
[12:39] <stdin> uname -r
[12:39] <d3413r> but i know i am not using smp...
[12:39] <genii> I normally for fast do top then hit 1
[12:40] <stdin> the default ubuntu kernel is SMP enabled
[12:40] <d3413r> 2.6.17-10-generic
[12:40] <intelikey> so here i am coping back all my stored data to do another repartitioning and reformating of hdc     "i haven't been this upset with linux in ages"
[12:40] <genii> it says there if cpu0 only or not
[12:40] <intelikey> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:40] <d3413r> hmm // some Chatzilla user :-D genii
[12:41] <d3413r> another nice plugin for firefox :>
[12:41] <genii> d3413r I like my FF and it's add-ons :)
[12:41] <sivaji> Register your IRC nick:
[12:41] <sivaji> /msg nickserv register <your-password>
[12:41] <sivaji> where i  am suppose to type this
[12:41] <d3413r> ff is nicest browser of the world
[12:41] <d3413r> sivaji
[12:41] <d3413r> you can do this even here
[12:41] <stdin> sivaji: just type it in
[12:41] <d3413r> but dont forget the /
[12:41] <d3413r> otherwise this wouldnt be good^^
[12:42] <stdin> unless you don't mind us using your nick :p
[12:42] <intelikey> sivaji preferably in the server window of your irc client
[12:42] <genii> and replace <your-password>    with something appropriate
[12:42] <d3413r> sivaji ^^ using Xchat?
[12:42] <ForgeAus> whats the post Sarge codename for Debian (what sid will turn into or will it just be a stable sid?)
[12:43] <intelikey> sivaji so that if you error and leave out /   or prepend a space.... it's not broad cast to a channel
[12:43] <ForgeAus> and whats different about sarge and ubuntu anyway? just gnome ontop?
[12:43] <d3413r> oO
[12:43] <genii> ForgeAus no real diff. i use Sarge repos for ubuntu fine
[12:43] <d3413r> but older version
[12:43] <d3413r> s
[12:43] <fdoving> ForgeAus: etch is the next. sid will never become stable, it's the devel distro name.
[12:43] <d3413r> of the software
[12:44] <fdoving> genii: using sarge repos for ubuntu is not recommended. it will break upgrade processes for ubuntu and all.
[12:44] <intelikey> ForgeAus i wouldn't advise what genii mentioned.  there are some compile differances.
[12:44] <genii> OK I get the message :)
[12:44] <d3413r> i just use packages especially for my Kubuntu
[12:45] <d3413r> :-P genii
[12:45] <ForgeAus> if I use add/remove in Gnome or Adept it tells me if things break or if dependancies are missing
[12:45] <ForgeAus> I don't get why I can't install Kompile tho)
[12:45] <d3413r> apt does this, too
[12:45] <d3413r> @ ForgeAus
[12:45] <genii> Tho from empirical knowledge nothing busted yet and did dapper->edgy upgrade w/out altering repos which included stock Sarge
[12:45] <d3413r> ForgeAus ;)
[12:46] <d3413r> not Kompile but Compile
[12:46] <d3413r> just english word not german :-P
[12:46] <ForgeAus> no Kompile is the proggy... a kde kernel compilation proggie I guess???
[12:46] <d3413r> ah ok ^^
[12:46] <d3413r> sry
[12:46] <d3413r> :-D
[12:46] <ForgeAus> no problem
[12:46] <ForgeAus> and yeah I knew german has many similar to english words like that
[12:46] <intelikey> ok i reboot to dos redo the partition and format it  then come back to linux copy the files over than reboot to windows (if it words) and finish setting it up.....    what a mess....
[12:46] <d3413r> what does "Kompile" do
[12:47] <d3413r> ?
[12:47] <d3413r> dunno that program
[12:47] <stdin> !kompile
[12:47] <ubotu> kompile: interface for compilation automation for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3~beta2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 170 kB, installed size 904 kB
[12:47] <d3413r> ah ok
[12:47] <ForgeAus> browse for it on the web d34l3r, they can tell you better most likely
[12:47] <d3413r> ubotu does same
[12:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about does same - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:47] <d3413r> ;)
[12:47] <sivaji> ple someone help me to register here
[12:47] <sivaji> ple someone help me to register here
[12:47] <stdin> :p
[12:47] <sivaji> ple someone help me to register here
[12:47] <sivaji> ple someone help me to register here
[12:47] <d3413r> omfg sivaji
[12:47] <genii> like a nice front to make/gmake gcc etc
[12:47] <ForgeAus> so what could Kompile possibly break?
[12:47] <d3413r> k
[12:47] <intelikey> not to mention that there will be several reboots in windows as well.....
[12:47] <dopez> is there any howto or simple doc on how to change the kubuntu boot splash screen ?
[12:47] <ForgeAus> and do I need what it would break anyhow?
[12:47] <intelikey> sivaji we did help you.    now go do it.
[12:48] <stdin> sivaji: we saw you the 1st time you asked
[12:48] <d3413r> ^^
[12:48] <fdoving> sivaji: pelase don't repeat your question like that, it will only get you banned from this channel.
[12:48] <gnomefreak> !usplash | dopez
[12:48] <ubotu> dopez: usplash is the start-up splash (before the login screen appears) in Ubuntu. To customize it, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[12:48] <d3413r> dont be so mean to him
[12:48] <d3413r> :-D
[12:48] <fdoving> !register | sivaji
[12:48] <ubotu> sivaji: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[12:48] <ForgeAus> dopex I think you do it in system settings somewhere
[12:48] <genii> sivaji If you did the /msg    thing, you are registered. Next time you come it says "This name belongs to someone. If it is you identify yourself   by /msg nickserv identify <password>
[12:48] <dopez> thanks gnomefreak
[12:48] <gnomefreak> dopez: the splash before or after you log in?
[12:49] <ForgeAus> the boot loader one?
[12:49] <ForgeAus> I don't know much about that
[12:49] <dopez> before logging in
[12:49] <stdin> he said "boot splash", so i'm guessing usplash
[12:49] <ForgeAus> whats usplash?
[12:49] <gnomefreak> dopez: than follow the link ubotu gave you
[12:49] <stdin> UbuntuSplash
[12:49] <gnomefreak> ForgeAus: the one before you log in
[12:49] <stdin> the one you see when you boot
[12:49] <ForgeAus> the one with the progress bar?
[12:50] <stdin> yeah
[12:50] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:50] <genii> yup
[12:50] <ForgeAus> in kubuntu its a black screen with kubuntu and a blue segmented progress bar
[12:50] <dopez> gnomefreak: alright, will do :)
[12:50] <ForgeAus> and nothing else
[12:50] <gnomefreak> ForgeAus: yes
[12:50] <stdin> ForgeAus: that's the onw
[12:50] <gnomefreak> dopez: good luck
[12:50] <stdin> *one
[12:50] <d3413r> gnomefreak... isnt there any other way -.- ?
[12:50] <d3413r> some graphical way :-D ?
[12:50] <gnomefreak> d3413r: nope
[12:50] <ForgeAus> is there a proggy to change it?
[12:50] <genii> I miss the text progress :( Sometimes dhcpd fails and I don't know right away
[12:50] <gnomefreak> d3413r: sure you can do everything in gui but that is the easiest way
[12:50] <ForgeAus> or switch between an ubuntu kubuntu xubuntu one?
[12:50] <gnomefreak> ForgeAus: nope
[12:51] <ForgeAus> its kinda like theming! rofl
[12:51] <gnomefreak> ForgeAus: yes
[12:51] <Jucato> (usplash is one of the hardest things to theme in Kubuntu... but not the hardest...)
[12:51] <gnomefreak> ForgeAus: sudo update-alternatives --config <cant remember>
[12:51] <ForgeAus> if I do a distro-upgrade to ubuntu 6.10 from kubuntu 6.10 would that do it?
[12:51] <Jucato> sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork
[12:52] <gnomefreak> .so
[12:52] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:52] <genii> ForgeAus all you need to do is install kubuntu-desktop, i did this
[12:52] <Jucato> oh yeah...
[12:52] <gnomefreak> brb'
[12:53] <d3413r> gnomefreak how to do this in gui?
[12:53] <ForgeAus> btw whats so bad about krusader?
[12:53] <Jucato> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[12:53] <ForgeAus> the more I see it the more I like it!
[12:53] <genii> I installed gnome version then did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and then it was all good
[12:54] <Jucato> nothing bad with krusader if you like twin-panel fm's
[12:54] <stdin> 'sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop' works too
[12:54] <genii> stdin :)
[12:55] <ForgeAus> why would I need konqueror if I had Firefox + Krusader?
[12:55] <ForgeAus> I mean Konqueror is nice, don't get me wrong
[12:55] <d3413r> d34l3r@home:~$ sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork
[12:55] <d3413r> Password:
[12:55] <d3413r> Sorry, try again.
[12:55] <d3413r> Password:
[12:55] <d3413r> No alternatives for usplash-artwork.
[12:55] <d3413r> d34l3r@home:~$
[12:55] <stdin> because konqi rocks
[12:55] <genii> What it tells me anyhow is all the repos for K and Gnome are just under the main Dapper/Edgy dirs
[12:55] <d3413r> hmm sudo alternatives doesnt work
[12:55] <d3413r> :<
[12:56] <ForgeAus> does the *-desktop determine the default login environment?
[12:56] <genii> d34l3r Weird, your usual user password no good for sudo??
[12:56] <stdin> d3413r: it's "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so"
[12:56] <d3413r> genii i just typed it wrong first time
[12:56] <d3413r> ;)
[12:56] <Jucato> d3413r: you'd have to install the other usplash artworks if you want to get more choices
[12:56] <d3413r> jucato what command?
[12:57] <d3413r> how to get
[12:57] <d3413r> d34l3r@home:~$ sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so
[12:57] <d3413r> There is only 1 program which provides usplash-artwork.so
[12:57] <d3413r> (/usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so). Nothing to configure.
[12:57] <Jucato> d3413r: do a search in Adept (or Synaptic) for packages with "usplash" in the name
[12:58] <stdin> !paste | d3413r
[12:58] <ubotu> d3413r: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:58] <stdin> just fyi :p
[12:58] <Jucato> xubuntu-artwork-usplash, edubuntu-artwork-usplash, usplash-theme-ubuntu
[12:58] <stdin> even ichthux-artwork-usplash
[12:58] <ForgeAus> wow edubuntu
[12:58] <ForgeAus> whats ichthux?
[12:59] <stdin> no clue :p
[12:59] <ForgeAus> xubuntu would be nice to see
[12:59] <genii> an extinct fish?
[12:59] <ForgeAus> heck I havn't seen the ubuntu one yet!
[12:59] <ForgeAus> lol itchyosaurus was one so I guess it could be
[12:59] <d3413r> how to apply the temes
[12:59] <d3413r> themes*
[12:59] <d3413r> i installed them now
[12:59] <Jucato> !ichthux
[12:59] <ubotu> Ichthux (Linux for Christians) is an unofficial Kubuntu derivative. See http://www.ichthux.com/
[12:59] <ForgeAus> eek no thanx
[12:59] <Jucato> d3413r: use that update-alternatives command again
[12:59] <d3413r> k
[01:00] <genii> Now what would be different? MOTD is bible readings or something?
[01:00] <Jucato> d3413r: after you have chosen which usplash to use as the default, you need to enter this command as well: sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
[01:00] <dominik> hello world :-)
[01:00] <Jucato> genii: just look at their website for more detailsabout it
[01:01] <ForgeAus> not only is it christian but its Greekized to make a fish-like word!
[01:01] <genii> Jucato I'm so intrigued I might!
[01:01] <dominik> !ubuntu
[01:01] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[01:02] <d3413r> !Kubuntu
[01:02] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[01:02] <d3413r> :-D
[01:02] <stdin> !KDE
[01:02] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[01:02] <genii> It appears somewhat.... cultish
[01:02] <whimsical> cool
[01:02] <ForgeAus> I guess its got Ksword and related apps inbuilt
[01:02] <Jucato> ForgeAus: what do you mean?
[01:02] <whimsical> what is called when you have both KDE and Gnome installed on your box?
[01:02] <Jucato> about the "Greekized"?
[01:02] <whimsical> kubuntu-ubu
[01:02] <whimsical> ubuntu-kubu
[01:02] <stdin> whimsical: a mess
[01:02] <Jucato> whimsical: bloat :)
[01:03] <genii> AAAARRRGGGG apt-mirror just caused a kernel panic
[01:03] <d3413r> ^^
[01:03] <stdin> uhoh
[01:03] <intelikey> genii what mirror ?
[01:03] <Jucato> ForgeAus: Ichthyus is a Greek word (for fish), which the early Christians used to symbolize Christ. they didn't need to "Greekized" it
[01:04] <ForgeAus> Ichtux according to the site is made of letters from Greek, ie initial for Jesus = I in greek ... Ch for christ in greek (which is also english
[01:04] <intelikey> and what box was it on ?
[01:04] <stdin> intelikey: apt-mirror makes a mirror of an apt repository
[01:04] <genii> intelikey ca.archive.ubuntu.com
[01:04] <genii> the dapper dist
[01:05] <d3413r> where to get the pngtousplash program?
[01:05] <intelikey> hmmm dapper....
[01:05] <genii> intelikey I already did edgy from there no probs
[01:05] <Jucato> !pngtousplash
[01:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pngtousplash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:05] <ForgeAus> a mirror of apt! thats a bit tuff!
[01:05] <Jucato> er... silly
[01:05] <LjL> !usplash
[01:05] <ubotu> usplash is the start-up splash (before the login screen appears) in Ubuntu. To customize it, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[01:05] <genii> yeah 30.1 Gb
[01:05] <ForgeAus> seeing as they're usually quite large
[01:06] <ForgeAus> depening on which apt repository you choose
[01:06] <LjL> pngtobogl usplash-artwork.png > usplash-artwork.c
[01:06] <LjL> !find pngtobogl
[01:06] <ubotu> File pngtobogl found in libbogl-dev
[01:06] <d3413r> what is pngtobogl oO?
[01:06] <Jucato> LjL: probably that doc page needs to be corrected?
[01:06] <genii> intelikey I'll let you know how it goes after the obligatory fsck
[01:07] <intelikey> k
[01:07] <ForgeAus> personally I'd put together one with an Ooffice-less (Kofficefull) Kubuntu with Kdevelop, ubuntu (at least some base gnome) & xubuntu (not sure which ones yet) packages, some debian sarge ... definitely midnight commander and wine
[01:07] <d3413r> i installed libbogl-dev
[01:07] <d3413r> and now?
[01:07] <ForgeAus> and beryl!
[01:07] <ForgeAus> what would it take to make an alternate distro?
[01:08] <d3413r> why do you wanna do that
[01:08] <LjL> Jucato: dunno, why corrected? i've never actually tried it tbh
[01:08] <d3413r> 
[01:08] <d3413r> ?
[01:08] <genii> damn damn   hdd1 = terminal hardware fail   stupid maxtors
[01:08] <ForgeAus> an ubuntu 6.10 - some packages + some others?
[01:08] <d3413r> i hate it
[01:08] <Jucato> LjL: because there's no "pngtousplash"?
[01:08] <ForgeAus> like kubuntu is
[01:08] <d3413r> does Kubuntu support SATA Maxtor drives?
[01:08] <LjL> it mentions it? hm
[01:08] <d3413r> I guess not
[01:08] <d3413r> das Kubuntu support ANY sata drives
[01:08] <Jucato> LjL: "The utility 'pngtousplash' can be used to convert an image to usplash-usable C code."
[01:09] <d3413r> !sata
[01:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:09] <Jucato> !sata
[01:09] <genii> Yes it sees them as scsi dev normally like sda sdb etc
[01:09] <LjL> well either they were thinking of pngtobogl...
[01:09] <ForgeAus> sata? I'm running sata
[01:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:09] <ForgeAus> yeah...
[01:09] <intelikey> d3413r yes sata is supported by linux.
[01:09] <d3413r> ok but it showed some problems
[01:09] <ForgeAus> is there a problem with ASUS or ATI hardware for Ubuntu/Kubuntu?
[01:09] <d3413r> the qtparted wasn't able to partition the maxtor hard drive in school
[01:09] <d3413r> ForgeAus
[01:10] <genii> d3413r See my remark about defective maxtor above
[01:10] <d3413r> I dont think
[01:10] <intelikey> ForgeAus ati   more or less
[01:10] <d3413r> << got Asus motherboard
[01:10] <genii> I think I'm going to firebomb maxtor HQ
[01:10] <d3413r> ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe :-)
[01:10] <ForgeAus> intellikey how would that mess up the power management?
[01:10] <d3413r> genii, whats the reason why it does not work with maxtor hds?
[01:10] <ForgeAus> and is there a fix for it?
[01:11] <intelikey> ForgeAus i don't know that it would.    there should be a wiki on power management
[01:11] <genii> d3413r in my case just now, the maxtor hard drive fried literally. i smell the burning chips now
[01:11] <intelikey> !power
[01:11] <LjL> Jucato: actually packages.ubuntu.com *does* mention pngtousplash as a file in usplash-dev - for edgy too. my apt-file doesn't seem to find it though
[01:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about power - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:11] <LjL> !info usplash-dev
[01:11] <ubotu> usplash-dev: Theming support files for usplash. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4-33 (edgy), package size 1059 kB, installed size 1208 kB
[01:11] <ForgeAus> well it does in both my virtual machine and dad's pc (using live CD)
[01:11] <Jucato> LjL: hm. ok I'll check
[01:11] <ForgeAus> either that or my kubuntu is faulty
[01:11] <stdin> LjL: my apt-file finds it in usplash-dev (edgy)
[01:11] <ForgeAus> everything else seems to work fine tho
[01:12] <ForgeAus> so it seems like the CD is alright in general
[01:12] <LjL> true - mine finds it too
[01:12] <genii> d341er But generally linux should see any make drive on sata or normal ide ... even on usb or firewire
[01:12] <intelikey> ForgeAus it's certainly not without fault.
[01:12] <LjL> must have been a typo the first time i tried
[01:12] <Jucato> LjL: ah yes, my bad. the wiki says so... didn't read too far down. :(
[01:12] <LjL> !find pngtous
[01:12] <genii> d3413r But generally linux should see any make drive on sata or normal ide ... even on usb or firewire
[01:12] <ubotu> Package/file pngtous does not exist in edgy
[01:12] <LjL> !find pngtousplash
[01:12] <ubotu> Package/file pngtousplash does not exist in edgy
[01:12] <LjL> *shrug*
[01:12] <stdin> rtfw (read the fine wiki)
[01:12] <LjL> well it exists, anyway
[01:13] <Jucato> :)
[01:13] <ForgeAus> oh there is one other issue with it
[01:13] <genii> Damn 26 out of ~30 gigs under the bridge too
[01:14] <ForgeAus> open office when I start it (from the Live CD) tries to open in a recovery mode but no files are listed to recover so it just cycles
[01:14] <gnomefreak> LjL: your on edgy?
[01:14] <intelikey> genii incrimental ?
[01:14] <genii> intelikey Yeah
[01:15] <genii> intelikey The drive is totally fried now though and not mirrored so will have to pull one from someplace and re-run apt-mirror
[01:15] <intelikey> genii i thinking the drive error was the cause of the kernel panic
[01:16] <genii> intelikey I'm pretty sure, yes
[01:16] <genii> Well hopefully they will RMA it
[01:16] <Cocodude> Hello all. I'm trying to install Kubuntu here, but I'm having difficulties getting a root XFS partition. I have set an ext2 partition as /boot, but the installer still complains that, "XFS may not be used on the filesystem containing /boot. Either use a different filesystem for / or create a non-XFS filesystem for /boot".
[01:17] <intelikey> genii should.
[01:17] <intelikey> ok reboot #7   here i go again.
[01:17] <ForgeAus> is Evolution what Ximian became?
[01:17] <LjL> gnomefreak: yep
[01:17] <herbert> wo bin ich hier?
[01:17] <genii> !de
[01:17] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:18] <gnomefreak> LjL: does sudo apt-file update work ok for you?
[01:18] <stdin> Cocodude: are you using the alternate installer?
[01:18] <ForgeAus> is edubuntu still based on gnome?
[01:18] <simen> someone : I want xgl 3ddesktop !
[01:18] <LjL> herbert: in dem englische Kubuntu hilfe kanal, #kubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-de fr deutsch
[01:18] <Cocodude> stdin: No, I know nothing about this - is this more likely to work?
[01:18] <simen> Help ?
[01:19] <stdin> Cocodude: yeah, it's text based, and has more features
[01:19] <LjL> gnomefreak: it worked last time i tried it, i.e. quite long ago... but i think i recall someone it didn't work for
[01:19] <Cocodude> stdin: Excellent. Is it on the normal install DVD?
[01:19] <fdoving> !beryl | simen
[01:19] <ubotu> simen: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:19] <genii> simen Please state the nature of your Kubuntu emergency
[01:19] <LjL> trying it now
[01:19] <LjL> gnomefreak: yeah, it worked
[01:19] <simen> heh
[01:19] <gnomefreak> :(
[01:19] <stdin> Cocodude: if you have the DVD (not the CD) then yeah
[01:19] <LjL> gnomefreak: what's the error for you?
[01:20] <gnomefreak> ther eis none it just hangs forever (not edgy) just wanted to seee if it was issue in edgy also
[01:20] <ForgeAus> is thunderbird the icon after firefox in the gnome desktop?
[01:20] <LjL> gnomefreak: hm note that for me it says "Server file no newer than local file `/var/cache/apt/Contents-i386.gz' -- not retrieving."
[01:20] <simen> hmmm it looks pretty unstable ?
[01:20] <Cocodude> stdin: Yeah, I've got the DVD. How do I access it please?
[01:21] <LjL> !info auto-apt | gnomefreak
[01:21] <ubotu> auto-apt: package search by file and on-demand package installation tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.20 (edgy), package size 44 kB, installed size 216 kB
[01:21] <simen> is beryl as unstable as it looks ?
[01:21] <LjL> gnomefreak: finds fewer files, but it's much faster... and perhaps it works ;)
[01:21] <stdin> Cocodude: I think it's the 2nd option in the boot menu, it'll be "install in text mode" or something like that
[01:21] <Cocodude> Ah yes, I remember seeing that. Ok, thanks, will give it a go :)
[01:21] <Cocodude> bfn
[01:21] <gnomefreak> ick i heard bad things about auto-apt
[01:22] <stdin> good luck Cocodude
[01:22] <LjL> gnomefreak: if you just use it as a package lookup tool, i think you'll be fine... sure, if you actually start using it for auto-installing of dependencies when you run ./configure, it *will* try to install the most awkward stuff
[01:22] <fdoving> gnomefreak: do not, i repeat do not, use it for auto-installing. it's -evil- you can end up with all packages in the archives installed :)
[01:23] <genii> geez I know by apt-mirror that is over 30Gb of archives
[01:23] <gnomefreak> fdoving: i wont use it for anything
[01:23] <fdoving> gnomefreak: me neither :)
[01:23] <LjL> blah, why're you so scared
[01:24] <LjL> it *asks* whether you want to install something or not anyway - well, unless you tell it not to, but then it's your fault :P
[01:24] <gnomefreak> im not scared of anything i just think there are better ways to do things that others
[01:24] <genii> HAL: Sorry Dave, your hda2 cannot hold 30 Gigabytes
[01:24] <thoreauputic> apt-get build-dep   does the job with compiling stuff, often
[01:24] <LjL> gnomefreak: like looking at apt-file update hanging forever? :P
[01:25] <gnomefreak> LjL: lol but it can be fixed if i get around to filing bug
[01:25] <gnomefreak> but mvo is on holiday so i will ping him about it when he gets home
[01:25] <thoreauputic> LjL: interesting - I haven't seen apt-file update hang here (dapper)
[01:25] <gnomefreak> thoreauputic: feisty
[01:25] <thoreauputic> ah
[01:26] <fdoving> it works on my feisty.
[01:26] <LjL> thoreauputic: if you're following up on the auto-apt discussion, i really just mentioned because gnomefreak can't get apt-file to work for some reason. IMHO if you just use auto-apt like you'd use apt-file, i.e. "auto-apt search blah", there should be no risk at all
[01:26] <gnomefreak> ive let it sit there for over 5 hoursa
[01:26] <thoreauputic> LjL: yes, that sounds reasonable
[01:27] <fdoving> .. no it doesn't. that was on a edgy box.
[01:27] <gnomefreak> fdoving: apt-file?
[01:27] <fdoving> yes.
[01:27] <gnomefreak> its libapt if i had to guess
[01:27] <fdoving> searching works- update does not.
[01:31] <fade_> lotsa people y no talking?
[01:31] <root_> has anyone had issues saving a torrent file on a FAt32 partition
[01:31] <root_> gettinig an incorrect MIME type
[01:32] <d34l3r> hi... i am back
[01:32] <root_> have been at this for a few days
[01:32] <d34l3r> but i got a huge problem :(
[01:32] <d34l3r> i mount my NTFS drives with
[01:32] <d34l3r> sudo mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2
[01:32] <d34l3r> but if i try to copy a file it says file not found
[01:32] <d34l3r> i also have installed ntfs-3g for full access ...
[01:33] <genii> not mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2  ?
[01:33] <d34l3r> ^^ gonna try
[01:33] <d34l3r> hmm
[01:33] <d34l3r> wait
[01:33] <fade_> bi =)
[01:34] <d34l3r> argh
[01:34] <d34l3r> how to unmount
[01:34] <d34l3r> >_< ?
[01:34] <genii> umount /mnt/hda2
[01:34] <d34l3r> ty
[01:34] <genii> SUDO umount /mnt/hda2
[01:35] <fdoving> gnomefreak: apt-file works on my feisty. really.
[01:36] <gnomefreak> fdoving: u0pdate does?
[01:36] <fdoving> gnomefreak: yes, it just is quiet.
[01:36] <d34l3r> genii
[01:36] <LjL> perhaps an apt-file purge wouldn't hurt
[01:36] <d34l3r> qry
[01:36] <gnomefreak> fdoving: sudo apt-file update  how long did it take?
[01:36] <gnomefreak> looking at source atm
[01:36] <genii> d34l3r Sure
[01:37] <fdoving> gnomefreak: that would depend on your connection i guess. ~2 mins here..
[01:37] <root_> has anyone had issues with MIME types and FAt32
[01:37] <root_> ??
[01:37] <d34l3r> genii any idea?
[01:37] <gnomefreak> give me a few i purged and im running it again ill let you know in 5 minutes or so
[01:37] <root_> while saving torrents
[01:38] <genii> d34l3r To mount ntfs?
[01:38] <LjL> no, but i've got issues with logging in as root
[01:38] <d34l3r> i mounted it
[01:38] <d34l3r> but if i try to copy anything
[01:38] <d34l3r> "file does not exist"
[01:38] <d34l3r> but i can list and see the files
[01:38] <d34l3r> oO
[01:38] <genii> d34l3r Write support is limited for ntfs. Are you reading a file from ntfs or writing one?
[01:38] <d34l3r> reading
[01:38] <d34l3r> i wanna do this
[01:38] <d34l3r> file located on ntfs
[01:39] <d34l3r> ntfs --> ext3
[01:39] <d34l3r> (copy)
[01:39] <d34l3r> but i installed ntfs-3g
[01:39] <d34l3r> (it's a driver for full ntfs support, even writing
[01:39] <fdoving> gnomefreak: check network usage to your mirror.
[01:39] <d34l3r> )
[01:39] <fdoving> gnomefreak: and check that /var/cache/apt/apt-file/* is growing.
[01:39] <genii> d34l3r You see the file when "ls filename /mnt/hda2/place/filename"   ?
[01:40] <d34l3r> wait
[01:40] <fdoving> gnomefreak: you can also enable verbose in /etc/apt/apt-file.conf, verbose = yes
[01:40] <d34l3r> i just can du SUDO ls filename /mnt/hda2/place/filename because only root has access
[01:40] <d34l3r> i start konqueror with kdesu ...
[01:41] <genii> d34l3r Where are you trying to put these files?
[01:41] <d34l3r> desktop
[01:41] <d34l3r> (not windows desktop but mine)
[01:41] <genii> also is it that you want to just dump all on the ntfs to some dir on another (ext2 formatted) drive?
[01:41] <LjL> d34l3r, if you're just reading, why do you even need NTFS-3g?
[01:41] <d34l3r> i wanna write ,too
[01:41] <d34l3r> later
[01:41] <d34l3r> ;)
[01:42] <d34l3r> if reading works
[01:42] <LjL> at any rate, these site have instructions on how to make NTFS partitions accessible to everyone, for the plain NTFS driver and for ntfd-3g
[01:42] <LjL> Ubotu, tell d34l3r about ntfs | d34l3r, see the private message from Ubotu
[01:42] <LjL> Ubotu, tell d34l3r about ntfs-3g | d34l3r, see the private message from Ubotu
[01:42] <ibert> hi! has anybody an Idea how I can stop katapult searching my mp3's It slows down everything...
[01:42] <fdoving> gnomefreak: you can also edit /etc/apt/apt-file.conf to not redirect curl output to /dev/null, then you'll see the percentages.
[01:42] <gnomefreak> its growing
[01:43] <LjL> ibert: alt+space, ctrl+c, Configure Katapult
[01:43] <gnomefreak> that means its working
[01:43] <gnomefreak> just not sure why its not not finishing
[01:43] <genii> d34l3r Conceivably if the drive is properly mounted for ntfs you should only need do :   sudo cp -aR /mnt/hda2/* /home/myhomedir/Desktop/Somedir
[01:43] <genii> Somedir because otherwise desktop littered with files
[01:43] <gnomefreak> its up to about 2.0MB
[01:43] <d34l3r> ^^ k
[01:43] <ibert> LjL: great! thanx
[01:43] <d34l3r> wit
[01:43] <d34l3r> wait
[01:44] <fdoving> gnomefreak: it's ~11MB
[01:44] <gnomefreak> than ill let it run for a while to see if i get there or not
[01:44] <genii> you may need to do mkdir /home/myhomedir/Desktop/*new foldername here*
[01:44] <gnomefreak> but on dsl it shouldnt take this long (atleast never has in past
[01:45] <gnomefreak> up to about 4MB
[01:46] <genii> d34l3r Remember that unix copy command is cp and not copy
[01:46] <genii> this could also account for "file not found" ..eg: command copy not found
[01:47] <d34l3r> omfg i hate it -.- it is so fucking complex to mount a drive with ntfs-3g
[01:47] <d34l3r> -.-
[01:47] <genii> ?
[01:47] <d34l3r> hundreds of commands >_<
[01:47] <genii> for now and sanity sake just try sudo mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2
[01:48] <genii> for now and sanity sake just try sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2
[01:48] <genii> rather
[01:48] <d34l3r> and?
[01:48] <d34l3r> now it is mounted -.-
[01:48] <genii> If this gives no complaint and you can list the contents of /mnt/hda2 ??
[01:48] <d34l3r> i can list
[01:48] <d34l3r> (to copy i use konqueror's build in function ;) )
[01:49] <genii> OK then. You know the directory to put the files in?
[01:49] <d34l3r> hmm
[01:49] <genii> the path
[01:49] <d34l3r> some problem could be
[01:49] <d34l3r> the path is
[01:49] <d34l3r> Office 2oo7
[01:49] <d34l3r> with a spac ein it
[01:49] <d34l3r> space in it
[01:49] <d34l3r> it is
[01:49] <genii> The path on /mnt/hda2/Office 2007           <-- like so ?
[01:49] <max_> are there any programs to help you create bootsplashes and kdm themes? or sites with tutorials?
[01:49] <d34l3r> /mnt/hda2/Office 2oo7
[01:49] <d34l3r> yep
[01:50] <d34l3r> but with o instead of zero
[01:50] <d34l3r> :-D
[01:50] <genii> Still the way I told you works
[01:50] <d34l3r> gonna try.
[01:50] <genii> eg: sudo cp -aR /mnt/hda2/* /home/myhome/Desktop/somedir
[01:51] <d34l3r> k
[01:51] <genii> The only thing is that to get into the dir with a space you need to go something like   cd Office*
[01:51] <genii> (from commandline)
[01:52] <genii> Or rename without spaces
[01:52] <d34l3r> look @ qry
[01:52] <d34l3r> got a problem
[01:52] <d34l3r> dont wanna flood channel ^^
[01:52] <genii> Can you pastebin it then?
[01:52] <d34l3r> it has a problem with the space
[01:52] <d34l3r> in the folders name
[01:52] <max_> are there any programs to help you create bootsplashes and kdm themes? or sites with tutorials?
[01:52] <d34l3r> (of the windows partition)
[01:53] <genii> Yes *nix does not like spaces, or other such characters in a directory name
[01:53] <d34l3r> ^^
[01:53] <d34l3r> thats my problem
[01:53] <d34l3r> i cannot rename the folder @ Kubuntu
[01:54] <max_> log in as root
[01:54] <d34l3r> i am doing all as root
[01:54] <d34l3r> sudo
[01:54] <max_> trying to rename somthing with a space in it
[01:54] <d34l3r> cant -.-
[01:55] <genii> d34l3r There is no real "rename" etc etc. Instead do like:   sudo mv /mnt/hda2/Office* /mnt/hda2/nospacename
[01:55] <thoreauputic> d34l3r: you can usually tab-complet file names with spaces in them
[01:55] <max_> d34l3r: ya, the only way i know to rename somthingwith a space that need root permission is to acctually login as root
[01:56] <Keepers> Hi
[01:57] <d34l3r> well it is not the main problem
[01:57] <d34l3r> i cannot even copy files without spaces
[01:57] <d34l3r> :(
[01:57] <Keepers> i got a problem by booting windows xp out of grub
[01:57] <Keepers> ubuntu says its located on /dev/sdb1
[01:57] <Keepers> that would be root (hd1,0)
[01:57] <ibert> d34l3r: you can't what? pls explain, or paste a command that doesn't work...
[01:57] <Keepers> but otherwise its physically located on sda1
[01:57] <fdoving> gnomefreak: quick hack of apt-file.conf to make progress work. http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/apt-file.conf
[01:58] <mymaster> hi
[01:58] <d34l3r> ah
[01:58] <mymaster> ich habe ein problem mit dhcp
[01:58] <mymaster> kann mir jemand helfen?:D
[01:58] <thoreauputic> !de
[01:58] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:58] <fdoving> gnomefreak: it complains about some time-stuff but it works. and i belive it always complained to stderr anyway.. so it's nothing i've introduced.
[01:58] <Keepers> while trying root (hd0,0) and hd(1,0) it does not work
[01:58] <ibert> mymaster: zuwenig infos....
[01:58] <mymaster> sry
[01:58] <mymaster> hm
[01:58] <genii> Keepers did you rearrange the drives recently?
[01:58] <d34l3r> mymaster hast du den router angemacht BEVOR du kubuntu gebootet hast
[01:58] <d34l3r> ?
[01:58] <mymaster> naja, ich will, dass der dhcp fest ist
[01:58] <Keepers> genii: no did not
[01:58] <max_> Keepers: are you trying to fix your grub?
[01:59] <mymaster> nicht dass ich bei jedem systemstart den neu einstellen muss
[01:59] <holger_> hi all
[01:59] <Keepers> max_: everything works except booting XP
[01:59] <max_> do you have the right entry in the grub?
[01:59] <genii> should be a chainloader+1 entry
[01:59] <Keepers> max_ thats the problem... grub does not find it actually
[02:00] <max_> you gotta add it
[02:00] <max_> hold for link
[02:00] <Keepers> xp itself lies on the same device as my ubuntu, hd0 .... on ubuntu itself it says it lies on sdb1... but even with hd0,0 or hd1,0 he does not boot it
[02:00] <Keepers> with hd1,0 he says unknown partition type
[02:00] <ibert> mymaster: fester dhcp ? :-)
[02:01] <holger_> i am very lucky with ubuntu, there only one little problem, sometimes when i shutdown the machine does not halt, instead i got a blackscreen and have to do a hard turn off. :-(
[02:01] <mymaster> also ja
[02:01] <mymaster> dass ich nicht immer dns neu einrichten mus
[02:01] <mymaster> s
[02:01] <Keepers> root            (hd0,0)
[02:01] <Keepers> savedefault
[02:01] <Keepers> makeactive
[02:01] <Keepers> map             (hd0) (hd1)
[02:01] <Keepers> map             (hd1) (hd0)
[02:01] <Keepers> chainloader     +1
[02:01] <Keepers> thats the current entry
[02:01] <fdoving> !pastebin | keepers
[02:01] <ubotu> keepers: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:01] <shoxi> guten tag
[02:01] <max_> keepers:http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/19644-how-add-windows-2k-xp-grub.html
[02:02] <ibert> mymaster: das ist aber ein problem von deinem router. dns info  kommt per dhcp.
[02:02] <holger_> howto troubleshoot shutdown problems, any suggestions?
[02:02] <genii> deutshe blitzkriegen
[02:02] <ibert> genii: sorry :-(
[02:02] <Keepers> ill try it thank you max_
[02:02] <mymaster> mhmm
[02:02] <genii> ibert LOL np just amusing
[02:02] <max_> no prob
[02:02] <mymaster> ich bin bis jetzt auf diesen wikieintrag gestossen: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/DNS-Probleme
[02:02] <mymaster> hierbei geht es genau um mein problem
[02:03] <shoxi> hab da eine frage zu grub,
[02:03] <fdoving> !de
[02:03] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:03] <voicu> how do i mount a cd image?
[02:03] <max_> mount
[02:03] <ibert> genii: by the way, I'm an Austrian - just speaking german :-)
[02:03] <max_> oops
[02:04] <max_> <mount -i loop "filename.iso">
[02:04] <genii> voicu mount -t iso9660 -o loop /the/image.iso   /the/mount
[02:04] <fdoving> !iso | voicu
[02:04] <ubotu> voicu: To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning.
[02:04] <voicu> oh, right, thanks
[02:04] <max_> are there any programs to help you create bootsplashes and kdm themes? or sites with tutorials?
[02:05] <genii> ibert I apologise if I offended
[02:06] <ibert> genii: no problem. It's just our inferiority complex :-)
[02:07] <genii> intelikey Heh found a faster mirror and it is whizzzzzzing along now on a new drive :)
[02:07] <genii> intelikey (apt-mirror)
[02:07] <genii> Damn he left LOL
[02:08] <genii> Well I'm happy anyhow
[02:08] <genii> ibert Us Canadians have a similar situation with being mistaken for Americans :)
[02:08] <triade> max_ it did not work
[02:09] <max_> triade: what didnt work?
[02:09] <Keepers> fixing grub to boot xp
[02:09] <ibert> genii: I can imagine :-) anyway I'm happy about the fact that the community at least in the channels - don't knows borders...
[02:10] <Keepers> it says it is no bootable device
[02:10] <max_> i did mine from that site and it worked fine
[02:10] <Keepers> well mine does not.. :/
[02:12] <d34l3r> hmm
[02:12] <d34l3r> how to decompress password-protected rar archives(?)
[02:12] <d34l3r> Ark doesn't seem to have this abilitiy
[02:12] <genii> Do you have the password?
[02:12] <d34l3r> ability
[02:12] <stdin> unrar should ask
[02:12] <d34l3r> yea of course
[02:12] <d34l3r> @ genii
[02:13] <d34l3r> i dont wanna bruteforce the PW :-P
[02:13] <genii> as stdin says unrar should ask
[02:13] <d34l3r> unrar yes ^^ but i wanna use graphical interface for it
[02:13] <d34l3r> :-)
[02:13] <d34l3r> ^^
[02:13] <genii> fussy fussy LOL
[02:13] <max_> are there any programs to help you create bootsplashes and kdm themes? or sites with tutorials?
[02:13] <nuxil> :) i made a bruteforce rar cracker :)
[02:14] <genii> nuxil cool
[02:14] <stdin> i wounder what for nuxil :p
[02:14] <d34l3r> genii
[02:14] <d34l3r> he wants to break passwords for w**rez archives
[02:14] <d34l3r> :-D
[02:14] <d34l3r> if he forgot the PW
[02:14] <d34l3r> xD
[02:14] <nuxil> d34l3r, need to crack rar file?
[02:14] <stdin> ah, yes, he must have forgotten the pass, that is :p
[02:14] <d34l3r> i dont need to crack
[02:15] <d34l3r> i have password
[02:15] <d34l3r> :-)
[02:15] <genii> nuxil Just open-source it and whatever you use it for at home I dun wanna know about LOL
[02:15] <d34l3r> *g
[02:15] <nuxil> genii, its a bashscript :)
[02:15] <genii> d34l3r Geez man just use unrar and be done
[02:15] <genii> ROFL
[02:15] <stdin> was just about to say that ^^
[02:15] <d34l3r> ok genii :-)
[02:16] <nuxil> genii, http://pastebin.ca/289831
[02:16] <fdoving> max_: for bootsplashes the closes i can get is: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[02:16] <nuxil> :) ther it is
[02:16] <genii> nuxil Bruteforce hd5/sha1 comparisons?
[02:16] <max_> fdoving: thanks
[02:16] <genii> md5
[02:17] <genii> brb scoping it out
[02:18] <genii> Heh no just bruteforce guessing :)
[02:18] <nuxil> yea.. just bruteforce
[02:18] <genii> I had some login attempts as root like this before by ssh
[02:18] <genii> bot using bruteforce etc
[02:19] <stdin> that's one of the reasons *buntu disables root :p
[02:19] <nuxil> genii, yea,,its easy to rewrite that to ssh brute force
[02:19] <genii> I one time in my bad days did a cuckoo egg which rcp the passwd file then did bruteforce md5 comparison
[02:20] <d34l3r> genii...
[02:20] <d34l3r> just use snort with guardian
[02:20] <genii> d34l3r :) Yes?
[02:20] <d34l3r> and they will be blocked
[02:20] <d34l3r> snort logs attemps
[02:20] <d34l3r> guardian blocks ips
[02:20] <d34l3r> :-)
[02:20] <d34l3r> attempts*
[02:21] <d34l3r> or just move SSH Port to something like 50967
[02:21] <d34l3r> ^^
[02:21] <genii> d34l3r This is on a FreeBSD 4.8
[02:21] <d34l3r> doesn't care
[02:21] <d34l3r> guardian is perl script
[02:21] <d34l3r> and snort should also be avaible for FreeBSD
[02:22] <genii> I just changed the port #
[02:22] <stdin> I just use a good firewall
[02:22] <genii> they kept coming in from different proxies etc etc
[02:22] <genii> very annoying
[02:22] <stdin> I know what IP i'm gonna connect from in advance tho
[02:22] <d34l3r> just change SSH Port
[02:23] <d34l3r> genii, do you speak german?
[02:23] <genii> d34l3r Yeah I had to do that. Our other admins were pissed for a week at me
[02:23] <d34l3r> ^^
[02:23] <d34l3r> genii got icq?
[02:23] <d34l3r> I also changed our SSH Port to something over 30000 too
[02:23] <genii> d34l3r I do not speak german much. my stepdad was east german and spoke much to his parents around me and so I understand a little but not conversationally
[02:23] <d34l3r> but nobody was pissed at me
[02:24] <d34l3r> ^^
[02:24] <d34l3r> but i informed everybody about change :-D
[02:24] <d34l3r> so nobody was pissedf
[02:24] <d34l3r> pissed*
[02:24] <genii> I have ICQ etc etc I use at home GAIM
[02:24] <genii> here at work no IM client for minimal distractions
[02:24] <stdin> kopete > gaim
[02:25] <genii> no *configured* IM I should clarify :)
[02:25] <d34l3r> stdin kopete SUCKS
[02:25] <d34l3r> never seen a worse messenger than kopete
[02:25] <d34l3r> -.-
[02:25] <stdin> d34l3r: no kopete ROCKS
[02:25] <d34l3r> omfg
[02:26] <genii> kopete is on this 6.10 box but I use it for testing my automated netboots so it gets wiped every day a few times at least etc
[02:26] <d34l3r> no way!
[02:26] <stdin> not that i use it much tho
[02:26] <d34l3r> gaim is easier to use and doesn't need KDE Libs
[02:26] <d34l3r> (even if i got KDE ^^)
[02:26] <genii> winpopup = way worse messenger than anything
[02:26] <d34l3r> ^^
[02:26] <d34l3r> << going to eat
[02:26] <d34l3r> be right back soon
[02:26] <d34l3r> genii
[02:26] <rcrook> hi all... how do I get the windows media 9 codecs install and from
[02:27] <genii> I'll likely be here when yer tummy is full :)
[02:27] <d34l3r> could you write down my icq#?
[02:27] <d34l3r> and add me later
[02:27] <d34l3r> ;) ?
[02:27] <d34l3r> rcrook
[02:27] <d34l3r> get easyubuntu
[02:27] <genii> Write mine down instead
[02:27] <d34l3r> ok genii
[02:27] <genii> 25442503
[02:27] <d34l3r> wait
[02:27] <d34l3r> gonna add ya soon
[02:27] <stdin> rcrook: DON'T get easyubutnu
[02:27] <d34l3r> ?
[02:27] <d34l3r> y not
[02:27] <genii> msn mystic_scientist@hotmail.com
[02:27] <stdin> it's fine, until you try and upgrade
[02:28] <d34l3r> ?
[02:28] <d34l3r> never had any problems with it
[02:28] <genii> d34l3r You will have to wait til another day when I am at home to add you etc
[02:28] <d34l3r> there's an good working alpha version for Edgy
[02:28] <stdin> rcrook: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-6c942d1939d97331f96e42b63774003fde7daed5
[02:28] <pegs-using-e17> rcrook: go to http://seveas.imbrandon.com/
[02:28] <d34l3r> there's an good working alpha version for Edgy  @ stdin
[02:28] <pegs-using-e17> instructions on the site
[02:29] <stdin> d34l3r: I like doing it the RIGHT way :p
[02:29] <d34l3r> rofl
[02:29] <d34l3r> << afk
[02:29] <genii> lol
[02:30] <genii> stdin a by-the-book guy as per the nick :)
[02:30] <stdin> yep :)
[02:30] <rcrook> thanks stdin and d34l3r
[02:30] <stdin> rcrook: convert your mp3s to ogg :D
[02:30] <stdout> stdin :)
[02:31] <stdin> I found this nick about a week ago
[02:31] <stdin> and just *had* to have it :p
[02:31] <stdin> it was unused for 2 years
[02:31] <genii> Yeah it is cool. Someone has "stdout" as well... is that you too??
[02:32] <stdin> no, someone has stdout (and stderr :P )
[02:32] <rcrook> I just managed to get kubuntu installed on my toshiba lappy and am going throught getting it set the way I want.. got to the bit about playing my home movies and realised some of them are in loserdoze format.:)
[02:32] <genii> darn coining em all would be tops
[02:32] <stdin> yeah :D
[02:32] <genii> eg: stdin-away = stdout
[02:33] <stdin> rcrook: VLC is a good media player for 'those' formats
[02:33] <stdin> genii: hah
[02:33] <stdin> now I really want stdout :p
[02:34] <stdin> I could change to srderr when I had a problem too
[02:34] <genii> :)
[02:35] <genii> You could keep petitioning the ops when the names go dormant
[02:35] <stdin> I'll check every week :p
[02:35] <genii> I'll sign the petition LOL
[02:36] <rcrook> Mplayer and xine are now both playing them just fine:) actually better than MS media player... better gamma on the linux ones:)
[02:36] <pegs-using-e17> yay
[02:36] <genii> I'm in love with xine
[02:36] <stdin> linux is just better than ms in every way
[02:36] <rcrook> looking that way:)
[02:36] <rcrook> thank stdin:)
[02:36] <genii> we need to convert all these M$-heads
[02:36] <stdin> np
[02:37] <genii> break them of their addiction
[02:37] <genii> :)
[02:37] <stdin> last week I converted 3 people to kubutnu, one I had only met for 5 mins :p
[02:37] <rcrook> now if I can just figure out why the nfs mounts from my work station take so long I would be ellated.:)
[02:37] <pegs-using-e17> lol, i like that idea.. although there is only 2 things that stop me from going full linux, games, and w2k3 server management
[02:38] <genii> w2k3 anything I can do without. Games are tough yeah
[02:38] <stdin> I just play games that are based on the quake engine
[02:38] <stdin> (ok so I play some in wine too)
[02:38] <stdin> but frozen-bubble rocks :p
[02:38] <pegs-using-e17> i use w2k3 at work.. have samba file server plugged into the active directory (kubuntu dapper)
[02:38] <genii> Anything any MS server 2000-anyversion can do linux can do 100 times better and 1000 times more efficiently
[02:39] <genii> frozen-bubble is uber addictive
[02:39] <pegs-using-e17> if i could find a linux version of the win2k3 user manager and authentication (domain sign on) i would switch
[02:39] <pegs-using-e17> it is fun though, using linux at a lan... enemy territory
[02:39] <stdin> I completed frozen-bubble once :D
[02:40] <stdin> level 100
[02:40] <pegs-using-e17> im usually the only one there using linux
[02:40] <rcrook> now to test if I can play dvds
[02:40] <stdin> !dvd
[02:40] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[02:40] <genii> pegs I run several labs where all the workstations are 2Kpro and the servers are either freebsd or debian. It just takes some reading up on smb and nmb
[02:40] <genii> webmin modules help considerably
[02:41] <stdin> yeah, webmin is a godsend
[02:41] <pegs-using-e17> ill have to look more into it.. i was just thrilled when i finally got samba using the win2k3 server for authentication
[02:41] <genii> geez level 100 ... I think I've tolerated it til my fingers bled at around level 60 something
[02:41] <pegs-using-e17> i work in a school.. has over 200 machines.. and over 1200 users
[02:42] <stdin> genii: I usually play it between question on here :P
[02:43] <rcrook> works like a charm.:)
[02:43] <genii> stdin I have an online strategy game I play between working at http://www.the-reincarnation.org     <-- shameless plug
[02:43] <genii> rcrook Cool
[02:43] <stdin> shameless plugs are good :p
[02:46] <genii> afk (reminded just now to play some turns there!)
[02:46] <rcrook> does any one know if a linux IM prog that supports any of the web cam IM protocols?
[02:47] <pegs-using-e17> amsn might..
[02:47] <stdin> kopete should
[02:47] <genii> kopete yes
[02:47] <ForgeAus> Gweld is phun!
[02:47] <ForgeAus> grr Gweld
[02:47] <ForgeAus> Gewld
[02:48] <ForgeAus> something like that
[02:48] <ForgeAus> no wait 2 e's Gewled
[02:48] <ForgeAus> Gweled?
[02:48] <LjL> got it
[02:49] <ForgeAus> I noticed it goes around corners unlike diamond-mine/bejewled does
[02:49] <ForgeAus> which is a GOOD thing :)
[02:49] <ForgeAus> ie L shapes
[02:50] <d34l3r^eating> yo genii
[02:50] <d34l3r^eating> :-)
[02:50] <d34l3r^eating> i am back
[02:51] <d34l3r^eating> -.- and away again
[02:51] <stdin> stop eating then :p
[02:51] <genii> LOL
[02:51] <rcrook> OMG!!!! It even found my cam and drives it better than loserdose!!!!! I LOVE KUBUNTU!!!!!
[02:51] <stdin> kubuntu loves you too rcrook
[02:51] <genii> Lots of enthusiasm tonight :)
[02:51] <pegs-using-e17> would anyone have an idea what this could be... i have dapper installed.. and after a while of uptime (like just now.. been up for 4 hours) the hdd in this machine starts ticking as though it parks the heads, then unparks.. reads.. then parks them again (i think thats what its doing anyway).. it doesnt seem to happen in windowz
[02:52] <rcrook> Kopete works fine... so far... need to wait till a friend of mine wakes to test it.. LOL
[02:52] <LjL> pegs-using-e17: isn't it just doing some cronjob, like the locale database updating? check "ps aux" or "top" and see if there's anything
[02:52] <genii> cronjob is my first guess also
[02:54] <pegs-using-e17> root      4538  0.0  0.0   1624   292 ?        Ss   Dec23   0:00 /sbin/mdadm -F -i /var/run/mdadm.pid -m root -f -s
[02:55] <stdin> mdadm (8)            - manage MD devices aka Linux Software Raid.
[02:55] <genii> raid admin stuff
[02:55] <pegs-using-e17> ok.. thats not it then.. i thought that might have something to do with it
[02:56] <genii> probably resyncing
[02:56] <pegs-using-e17> root      4586  0.0  0.0   2120   844 ?        Ss   Dec23   0:00 /usr/sbin/cron
[02:56] <genii> well cron always runs
[02:57] <genii> You could see if cron is scheduled for something to do now by crontab
[02:57] <ForgeAus> uh help!
[02:58] <pegs-using-e17> ok.. how do i check its schedule
[02:58] <stdin> I use "ps aux --no-headers|sort -rk 3,3|head" to see the top 10 processes by CPU usage
[02:58] <ForgeAus> this is the command line that was run for me: sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork
[02:58] <ForgeAus> but it had a missing dependancy so come up with errors:
[02:58] <ForgeAus> sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork
[02:58] <ForgeAus> grr
[02:58] <ForgeAus> wrong paste buffer
[02:59] <ForgeAus> error: Failed dependencies:
[02:59] <ForgeAus> 	/bin/sh is needed by VMware-server-1.0.1-29996.i386
[02:59] <ForgeAus> RESULT=1
[02:59] <genii> pegs-using-e17 stdin's suggestion to see top cpu hogs is good. To see the cron jobs the command is crontab  but the table it shows is a bit cryptic sometimes :)
[02:59] <ForgeAus> whats /bin/sh?
[03:00] <genii> Command shell
[03:00] <stdin> ForgeAus: it a shell, like bash
[03:00] <ForgeAus> ok so I can install it?
[03:00] <stdin> ForgeAus: it's alrady installed
[03:00] <stdin> *already
[03:00] <stdin> infact is IS bash
[03:00] <ForgeAus> erm then why is it a failed dependancy?
[03:00] <genii> likely one of those dash thinies
[03:00] <genii> !dash
[03:00] <ubotu> /bin/sh links to the DASH shell in Ubuntu Edgy (6.10). Since DASH is not 100% compatible with the BASH shell, some scripts might break. You can make scripts execute using BASH by changing the first line of the script to "#!/bin/bash"
[03:01] <thoreauputic> in edgy. /bin/sh is actually "dash"
[03:01] <stdin> genii, pegs-using-e17: you can use kcron to edit the crontab in a GUI (run as root to edit system crontab)
[03:01] <thoreauputic> hmm too slow :)
[03:01] <ForgeAus> vmware rpm was what I was trying to install
[03:01] <ForgeAus> is there a deb version?
[03:01] <stdin> RPM??
[03:01] <genii> RPM??
[03:01] <ForgeAus> yeah :(
[03:02] <ForgeAus> rpm
[03:02] <ForgeAus> vmware tools
[03:02] <stdin> ewww
[03:02] <ForgeAus> could I use alien to transform it to a .deb?
[03:02] <stdin> you can use alien to convert it to deb
[03:02] <ForgeAus> but that wouldn't fix the dependancy right?
[03:02] <genii> no
[03:02] <stdin> but you can use apt-get -f install to get dependences
[03:02] <ForgeAus> kpackager seemed to work with it ok tho
[03:02] <pegs-using-e17> ok.. that command stdin gave is cool (didnt know about it.. i like it :)... doesnt seem to show anything that it could be, gkrellm (when the un park and read happens) has a spike for hdd access.. so i guess it is doing something.. i just dont like it... esp because it doesnt do it for about 4 hours, then decides to start doing it
[03:03] <ForgeAus> uh is that a good idea?
[03:03] <ForgeAus> apt-get -f install if Dash already exists?
[03:03] <stdin> pegs-using-e17: I made  the command up, it's actually 3 commands
[03:03] <genii> Is there a retro /bin/sh install available??
[03:03] <genii> eg: posix
[03:04] <genii> I'm pretty sure vmware is posix fussy
[03:04] <pegs-using-e17> stdin: yeah.. i added -20 to the end of head so i could see more :)
[03:04] <stdin> add |less to the end too :p
[03:05] <stdin> ForgeAus: it's probably easier to install from the tarball
[03:06] <ForgeAus> its actually to vmware tools for the inner virtual machine
[03:06] <ForgeAus> rather than the host vmware server/player/workstation
[03:07] <stdin> ForgeAus: get the tarball, the vmware tools are in .iso files in there
[03:07] <pegs-using-e17> im almost tempted to get a new hdd just incase..
[03:07] <stdin> or just extract the RPM and find them the
[03:08] <stdin> RPMs are cpio archives I think
[03:08] <genii> dash breaks posix-compliant scripts
[03:08] <genii> The solution for this is:
[03:08] <genii>     sudo apt-get remove dash
[03:08] <genii> This does not break your system; you will be switched over to bash automatically.
[03:08] <genii> Sorry didn't mean to flood etc
[03:08] <pegs-using-e17> any idea what pdslush is?
[03:09] <genii> was a cut/paste
[03:09] <genii> slushy pdf files?
[03:09] <thoreauputic> genii: I thought it was the other way round - bashisms break posix compliance ?
[03:09] <genii> thoreauputic I'm not entirely sure
[03:10] <thoreauputic> genii: hmm neither am I
[03:10] <thoreauputic> genii: I seem to recall reading that dash is posix complinat though
[03:10] <genii> perhaps debian bash is ok but maybe *bsd bash not
[03:10] <thoreauputic> *compliant
[03:10] <nuxil> genii, whats dash ?
[03:10] <genii> !dash |  nuxil
[03:10] <ubotu> nuxil: /bin/sh links to the DASH shell in Ubuntu Edgy (6.10). Since DASH is not 100% compatible with the BASH shell, some scripts might break. You can make scripts execute using BASH by changing the first line of the script to "#!/bin/bash"
[03:11] <thoreauputic> nuxil: a shell, like bash, tcsh etc
[03:11] <nuxil> ic
[03:11] <nuxil> i stick to bash :P
[03:11] <genii> I wonder whatever happened to Korn
[03:11] <stdin> ksd
[03:11] <stdin> ksh
[03:11] <pegs-using-e17> root      5017  0.0  0.1   3676  1356 ?        S    Dec23   0:00 -:0
[03:11] <pegs-using-e17> and another one i found that makes no sense
[03:12] <thoreauputic> !info ksh
[03:12] <ubotu> ksh: The real, AT&T version of the Korn shell. In component universe, is optional. Version 93r-1 (edgy), package size 1057 kB, installed size 2224 kB
[03:12] <genii> yeah it was original Kernahan and Ritchie stuff
[03:13] <genii> sysv etc
[03:14] <thoreauputic> genii: actually it was written by David Korn - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korn_shell
[03:15] <genii> thoreauputic Sorry I didn't mean to say they wrote it :) Just that it came with their original C distro on System 5
[03:16] <thoreauputic> ah OK :) Not a big deal, I just looke it up myself :)
[03:16] <thoreauputic> *looked
[03:19] <genii> Anyone need an original System 5 Administrator's Hanbook btw? LOL
[03:19] <genii> I have a couple kicking around the office
[03:21] <thoreauputic> genii: they're huge, are they not ?
[03:21] <genii> Somewhere around 800 pages yeah
[03:21] <genii> Big black thing
[03:21] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:22] <genii> I currently use em for doorstops
[03:22] <thoreauputic> heheh
[03:23] <d34l3r^afk> genii....
[03:23] <d34l3r^afk> i am back ... :>
[03:23] <genii> d34l3r^afk Good
[03:23] <d3413r> i like it :-)
[03:24] <d3413r> Ku-boon-too :-D
[03:24] <genii> Still thinking about the ntfs thing
[03:24] <d3413r> nope
[03:24] <d3413r> but maybe i will find a possibility later
[03:24] <d3413r> in 30 minutes or 20 i need 2 go
[03:24] <d3413r> where are u livin genii
[03:24] <d3413r> ?
[03:24] <genii> At the office these days
[03:24] <genii> Somewhere in Toronto
[03:24] <d3413r> ^^
[03:24] <d3413r> :-D
[03:25] <d3413r> and your office uses Kubuntu
[03:25] <d3413r> ?
[03:25] <genii> I have 2000+ old city machines to install something on besides Windoze
[03:25] <d3413r> whaat ^^ ?
[03:26] <genii> In the office my boss still likes win2Kpro
[03:26] <d3413r> omfg
[03:26] <d3413r> well
[03:26] <d3413r> win2k pro sucks
[03:26] <d3413r> windows sucks
[03:26] <Stalwart> win2k seems to be the only sane os from microsoft except DOS6.22
[03:26] <d3413r> (vista ofc)
[03:26] <d3413r> 98 --> sucks
[03:26] <genii> but these office machines I have multibooting so they do 2kpro, freebsd6.1 and debian sarge
[03:26] <d3413r> (concon bug)
[03:26] <Stalwart> at least w2k doesn't hang all the time
[03:26] <tdog> hi , i just booted to kubuntu, and my display is at 640 x 480 .. and i can not set it to higher resolution , what the hell happend ?
[03:26] <d3413r> tdog
[03:27] <d3413r> safe mode?
[03:27] <genii> Stalwart I must agree it's the best OS they have made so far
[03:27] <tdog> no '
[03:27] <d3413r> hmm
[03:27] <d3413r> dunno
[03:27] <tdog> let me reboot again
[03:27] <d3413r> Stalwart even 2k sucks
[03:27] <tdog> is odd
[03:27] <d3413r> security holes
[03:27] <stdin> "resolution
[03:27] <d3413r> i just say
[03:27] <stdin> !resolution
[03:27] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:27] <genii> tdog You may not have enough video ram to support higher at true colour
[03:27] <d3413r> Agobot....
[03:27] <tdog> i have
[03:27] <d3413r> do you know it ;) ?
[03:27] <tdog> nvidia  256 meg
[03:28] <tdog> i had no problmes before
[03:28] <tdog> i just booted and today i get this
[03:28] <tdog> lol
[03:28] <d3413r> Stalwart,
[03:28] <tdog> got to love this
[03:28] <tdog> i be back
[03:28] <d3413r> ever googled for Agobot
[03:28] <Stalwart> d3413r: what?
[03:28] <d3413r> or Phatbot
[03:28] <d3413r> ?
[03:28] <tdog> need another boot
[03:28] <d3413r> try googling
[03:28] <Stalwart> d3413r: i was using rbot for a while to help n00bz on #linux @ irc.lv
[03:28] <Stalwart> rbot is fine
[03:29] <d3413r> rbot works on Linux oO?
[03:29] <genii> Stalwart I am using eggdrop on my home irc but i need better
[03:29] <d3413r> hmm
[03:29] <d3413r> what about VNC
[03:29] <d3413r> ?
[03:29] <Stalwart> genii: rbot is good
[03:29] <stdin> ssh, screen and irssi
[03:30] <genii> Stalwart Does it do hybrid7 ?
[03:30] <Stalwart> genii: what is hybrid7?
[03:30] <genii> The ircd backend
[03:30] <Stalwart> genii: don't know what you mean
[03:31] <d3413r> do you all know why i think linux is even MORE secure than windows ever will be?
[03:31] <genii> !hybrid7
[03:31] <stdin> d3413r: because it is
[03:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hybrid7 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:31] <genii> hmm
[03:31] <d3413r> and
[03:31] <genii> !ircd-hybrid7
[03:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ircd-hybrid7 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:31] <stdin> d3413r: and always will be?
[03:31] <genii> bah
[03:31] <tdog> i booted , i still having the same problme
[03:31] <d3413r> because Windows is designed with flaws
[03:31] <tdog> should i install nvidia driver again
[03:31] <d3413r> and Unix / Linux not
[03:32] <d3413r> you dont always work with root rights
[03:32] <genii> !ircd-hybrid
[03:32] <ubotu> ircd-hybrid: high-performance secure IRC server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:7.0.3-3.1 (edgy), package size 492 kB, installed size 1976 kB
[03:32] <tdog> if so , which one would work best. NVIDIA GFORCE 7 series
[03:32] <d3413r> Windows: you almost always work amdin rights
[03:32] <d3413r> admin*
[03:32] <genii> tdog Did you mess with /etc/X11/xorg.conf recently?
[03:32] <tdog> no .
[03:32] <tdog> i no nothing about linux
[03:33] <tdog> so i don't mess around with anything
[03:33] <stdin> the MS developers don't care about quality
[03:33] <mindspin> d3413r: you can work on win machine without admin rights....
[03:33] <tdog> i installed Kubuntu desktop yesterday and everythign was ok
[03:33] <d3413r> but the most users dont
[03:33] <stdin> mindspin: but it's useless like that :p
[03:33] <d3413r> and a lot of programs need admin rights
[03:33] <genii> linux is better because code-bloat is minimal and also the way things work are up for discussion
[03:33] <d3413r> and it is open source
[03:33] <d3413r> and microsoft needs WEEKS for patches
[03:33] <d3413r> the unix community provides patches in 2 or 3 days
[03:34] <d3413r> i mean the *n*x community
[03:34] <stdin> unless its a DRM patch, then it's out the nest day :p
[03:34] <mindspin> that's all true, but If you know windows, you can work secure
[03:34] <d3413r> mindspin i do
[03:34] <genii> tdog Well, maybe reboot but i doubt it will automagically fix it.
[03:34] <d3413r> i turned off unsecure services
[03:34] <mindspin> problem is the joe noob user
[03:34] <d3413r> i got a hardware-firewall built-in in my router
[03:34] <tdog> i did reboot, and same result.. is very odd
[03:34] <stdin> tdog: at worst do: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:34] <d3413r> i dont open every program
[03:34] <wilman> anyone has a substitude vor the windows gmail notifier
[03:34] <d3413r> i got best antivirus scanner
[03:35] <mindspin> and we will face this issue in the moment we have hundreds of thousands of joe noobs
[03:35] <tdog> hold on i will do that
[03:35] <d3413r> i click links with care and dont install all programs
[03:35] <stdin> !gmail-notify | wilman
[03:35] <ubotu> gmail-notify: gmail new mail notifier. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6.1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 23 kB, installed size 200 kB
[03:36] <wilman> hmm thx
[03:36] <genii> There will always be some exploits but because the innards of why the exploits work is open-source, it is obvious how to fix usually
[03:36] <stdin> ooh, a kde versiom kcheckgmail
[03:37] <jita> anyone else having problem with fglrx driver. if i turn on dri in xorg.conf, my system wont reboot/shutdown. it hangs with black screen :(
[03:37] <Stalwart> jita: disable bootsplash
[03:37] <Stalwart> or better change videocard
[03:37] <genii> jita Yes there seems still issues with that one
[03:38] <tdog> thats too complex for me
[03:38] <Stalwart> 50$ nvidias work great
[03:38] <tdog> i don't have all the technical know how on my graphic card spec
[03:38] <Stalwart> i swapped cards with friend when started to use linux
[03:39] <d3413r> genii
[03:39] <Stalwart> i paid him 10$ for nvidia 5200 =] 
[03:39] <d3413r> every noob can "hack" windows
[03:39] <genii> d3413r Yes?
[03:39] <d3413r> because windows has noob users
[03:39] <jita> it worked in arch linux :(
[03:39] <jita> fine
[03:39] <d3413r> there are 100000000+ trojans
[03:39] <genii> Well the world will always have script-kiddies.
[03:39] <d3413r> but the script-kiddes CANNOT "hack" linux
[03:39] <d3413r> because there are no trojans
[03:40] <d3413r> (well, maybe there are but they are very rarely)
[03:40] <d3413r> just a real hacker can hack a good configured Linux System
[03:40] <genii> So long as ppl must have things like Java there will be a way in unfortunately
[03:40] <d3413r> but every noob can "hack" a windows system
[03:40] <d3413r> hmm Java
[03:40] <d3413r> :(
[03:40] <d3413r> yes
[03:40] <stdin> the only thing to look out for on linux is a rootkit, and they are rare
[03:40] <d3413r> but almost nobody writes a virus in java
[03:40] <d3413r> stdin yep
[03:41] <d3413r> if you are "rooted"
[03:41] <d3413r> you have a problem
[03:41] <d3413r> ^^
[03:41] <d3413r> because you wont notice...
[03:41] <Theory> this is, after all, the point
[03:41] <d3413r> but 99,9% of the Linux users have no rootkit installed
[03:41] <d3413r> because rootkits are only interesting for Servers
[03:41] <d3413r> nobody uses a botnet of Linux users
[03:41] <d3413r> ...
[03:42] <stdin> I just run chkrootkit and once a month
[03:42] <d3413r> needa get one, too
[03:42] <stdin> *and rkhunter once a month
[03:42] <genii> LOL d3413r Geez man what you have on there ? Pictures of naked George Bush or maps to Atlantis or somethin?
[03:43] <d3413r> i meant i needa get a rootkithuner^^
[03:43] <d3413r> hunter*
[03:43] <d3413r> not a rootkit
[03:43] <d3413r> :-P
[03:44] <stdin> wikipedia knows all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit
[03:44] <d3413r> hmm
[03:44] <genii> praise wikipedia!
[03:44] <d3413r> i compiled chkrootkit now
[03:44] <d3413r> what to do now ^^
[03:45] <stdin> compiled?
[03:45] <genii> Wait for some hapless idiot to try and get in?
[03:45] <d3413r> now i have some binaeries
[03:45] <d3413r> ^^
[03:45] <stdin> i just apt-get installd it
[03:45] <d3413r> ^^ ok
[03:46] <stdin> iirc it adds a script to /etc/cron.daily , so i just moved it to /etc/cron.monthly
[03:46] <d3413r> which adds
[03:46] <d3413r> rkhunter
[03:46] <d3413r> or chkrootkit
[03:47] <pegs-using-e17> i think ive solved it... the hdd problem from earlier
[03:47] <d3413r> where to find rkhunter now
[03:47] <d3413r> ?
[03:47] <d3413r> and chkrootkit
[03:47] <d3413r> console
[03:47] <d3413r> right?
[03:47] <stdin> not sure, both ass a script I think
[03:47] <stdin> s/ass/add :0
[03:47] <genii> Something of interest to the paranoid: My old roomie used to spam the whitehouse with stuff like "we need to get solar energy to the masses" etc. So he got put on a watch list and for a week after traceroute showed a convoluted data pathfrom Toronto to Ottawa to Langley Virginia to Washington then backwards when I needed to get to a box down the street
[03:48] <stdin> both rkhunter and chkrootkit are in the repos
[03:48] <genii> So I'm more worried about the NSa/Cia etc than any individual really
[03:48] <d3413r> i ran both...
[03:48] <d3413r> say i am clean ^^
[03:48] <d3413r> maybe because i installed my OS yesterday again ^^
[03:48] <stdin> \o/
[03:49] <d3413r> i killed KDE
[03:49] <d3413r> trying to install Beryl :o
[03:49] <stdin> I have to reinstall feisty again, it's truly screwed
[03:49] <d3413r> hmm
[03:49] <d3413r>    Scanning for hidden files...-e                                [ Warning! ] 
[03:49] <d3413r> oO
[03:50] <d3413r> it says i am clean
[03:50] <d3413r> ^^
[03:50] <genii> stdin I still haven't got a stable Feisty installed successfully yet. But my last d/l of iso was maybe 7-8 days maybe
[03:50] <genii> Could be the installer works better now?
[03:50] <stdin> genii: gonna try and install herd 1 again, then (if i'm brave) I may update
[03:51] <stdin> i always go with the alternate install
[03:51] <genii> stdin Heh :) Lemme know how it progresses
[03:51] <stdin> I just can't to be bothered to restart now :p
[03:52] <eilker> !screen
[03:52] <ubotu> screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[03:52] <vyoman> Kmail just crashed, quit, reading an email, i noticed the adept updater kicked in, hmm that's really bad, no way enterprise ready
[03:52] <genii> on Feisty?
[03:53] <vonbruno> hi. i'm trying to install kubuntu 6.10 on my laptop (asus a2d, ati mobility radeon, via chipset) - live cd hangs. tried with noapic, nolapic and vga=771. any suggestions?
[03:53] <genii> try notls
[03:53] <pegs-using-e17> does it hang during boot??
[03:53] <vonbruno> before i get to disk partition
[03:53] <vonbruno> before i get to anything other than boot menu actually
[03:54] <genii> notls works for duo-core timing probs
[03:54] <pegs-using-e17> ok.. so it allows you to select start or install.. starts loading.. then just sits there with the bar about 3/4 of the way across?
[03:54] <d3413r> well
[03:54] <vonbruno> bar disappears
[03:54] <d3413r> gonna check the root
[03:54] <d3413r> for rootkits
[03:54] <vonbruno> font changes and then i get black screen
[03:55] <vonbruno> after filesystem loaded
[03:55] <rance> I need some help with a sound card detection problem, I HAVE read the standard ubuntu sound help pages that the ubot spits out, but no avail.  I have read that there is a bug in the alsa module that improperly detects the features of the sound card, but for the record the right module IS loaded, can someone give me a hand, or at least a more informative pointer than the standard sound helps, cause they dont help any more
[03:55] <vonbruno> that's the last message i get
[03:55] <d3413r> hey genii
[03:55] <pegs-using-e17> ok.... i found that on my asus laptop it gets 3/4 of the way across, and then just sits there.. after pressing ctrl+alt+del it continues to the desktop
[03:56] <d3413r> does chkrootkit or rkhunter add a cronjob
[03:56] <d3413r> ?
[03:56] <genii> d3413r :)
[03:56] <vonbruno> pegs: ok i'll try that
[03:56] <genii> d3413r I would say not
[03:56] <d3413r> i hope it
[03:56] <d3413r> the root has enough to do already
[03:56] <d3413r> constantly 100 users @ page
[03:56] <d3413r> page uses php5 and mysql...
[03:57] <pegs-using-e17> no worries.. after installing it though i ended up going back to dapper
[03:57] <stdin> oh well, time to restart and reinstall feisty
[03:57] <stdin> this should be fun
[03:57] <pegs-using-e17> lol.. that sounds like fun
[03:57] <arcade> Hmm.  Got some problems with my newly installed Kubuntu 6.10, on a newly bought machine.  X11 doesn't start as it should from the live-CD (but booting without quiet and splash let me start x with 'startx').
[03:57] <arcade> Then, after installation, X11 doesn't start properly, but just gives me a load of garbage
[03:58] <genii> vonbruno Another user Cronos has similar issue with ati radeon mobility but dell e1750 laptop. notls  option got him to livecd desktop
[03:58] <pegs-using-e17> arcade: gfx card?
[03:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy all!:)
[03:59] <nuxil> hi
[03:59] <arcade> pegs-using-e17: some ATI card, one moment
[03:59] <genii> my bet is ati using some vesa driver giving funky strobe-light effect
[03:59] <arcade> ATI Radeon X1300
[04:00] <genii> yeah another one
[04:00] <arcade> Hmm?
[04:00] <d3413r> well
[04:00] <d3413r> looks like the root is clean
[04:00] <d3413r> :-)
[04:00] <d3413r> good 2 know
[04:00] <genii> arcade Seems a lot of issues with x1300 lately
[04:00] <d3413r> rkhunter and chkrootkit both say it is clean
[04:00] <genii> "radeon mobility" etc
[04:01] <d3413r> :-)
[04:01] <arcade> genii: Well, will it work better with 6.06 ?  Or does ATI let you leech some drivers?
[04:01] <d3413r> @ genii
[04:01] <pegs-using-e17> ok.. go to this site and follow the guide.. helped me http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Installation_Guide
[04:01] <d3413r> do you think it is really clean then
[04:01] <arcade> genii: hmm, mobility, isn't those for laptops? :)
[04:01] <pegs-using-e17> i had a bit of trouble wth edgy on mine so i went back to dapper
[04:01] <genii> arcade Some have had success manually doing the fglrx install for 6.10 but personally if I had one of them I'd stick with 6.06 for now
[04:02] <arcade> fglrx? :)
[04:02] <pegs-using-e17> linux ati drivers
[04:02] <BluesKaj> dunno if this will help , but it worked for my ATI card to get direct rendering and 3d glxgears to work, and the google earth GUI to stop strobing
[04:02] <arcade> genii: Will 6.06 work out of the box? :)
[04:02] <arcade> pegs-using-e17: ah.
[04:02] <genii> arcade Yes
[04:02] <BluesKaj> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[04:02] <arcade> genii: ah, then i'll try . :)
[04:02] <arcade> referring me to URL's when I'm in text-mode only is a tad .. heh .. rich :P
[04:03] <pegs-using-e17> 6.06 did for me.... and after following the site it worked very nicely :)
[04:03] <BluesKaj> oh, din't know
[04:03] <arcade> BluesKaj: I'm in a 80x25 terminal ;)
[04:03] <arcade> BluesKaj: I haven't got X working yet .. :P
[04:03] <arcade> pegs-using-e17: Ah, excellent, I'll try that.
[04:03] <BluesKaj> ok, sorry
[04:03] <arcade> Now to try'n find some of those 6.06 cd's. :)
[04:04] <pegs-using-e17> umm.. ok... /me sits in aww
[04:04] <genii> I wonder when next xorg release will be
[04:04] <pegs-using-e17> not before christmas lol
[04:05] <genii> going now to xorg to find out release schedule. The next update should resolve all this ati stuff hopefully
[04:06] <pegs-using-e17> yay :)
[04:06] <mindspin> !tell me about dvd
[04:06] <arcade> Thanks for help :) I'll report back in some hours (dinner first! :) - on whether the installation of 6.06 went okay or not :)
[04:06] <genii> !info dvd
[04:06] <ubotu> Package dvd does not exist in any distro I know
[04:07] <genii> !dvd | mindspin
[04:07] <ubotu> mindspin: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[04:07] <mindspin> genii ubotu told me already ;-)
[04:07] <genii> LOL sorry
[04:07] <genii> !X
[04:07] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:08] <genii> bah no info on current release packaged with Edgy
[04:08] <genii> 6.9?
[04:08] <Theory> packages.ubuntu.com will tell you that
[04:08] <nuxil> 7.1
[04:08] <nuxil> 7.0 is dapper
[04:08] <genii> Damn so since may22 was release date for 7.1 I don't see it being fixed anytime soon
[04:09] <nuxil> maybe cos it doesnt need a fix :)
[04:10] <genii> Weird 7.2 was scheduled for release Dec 11 but no d/l for it looks like
[04:12] <david___> tag
[04:12] <david___> ich habe mal eine frage, die aber direkt erstmal nichts mit ubuntu und co zu tun hat
[04:12] <genii> !de | david__
[04:12] <ubotu> david__: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:13] <branco> bom dia
[04:13] <david___> ok dann nicht
[04:13] <branco> estou precisando de ajuda, alguem pode  me socorrer?
[04:13] <mindspin> try it in english
[04:13] <genii> geez
[04:13] <genii> spanish?
[04:14] <genii> branco Espanol?
[04:14] <branco> alguem pode me ajudar
[04:14] <branco> nao, portugues
[04:14] <mindspin> !es
[04:14] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:14] <mindspin> !p
[04:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about p - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:14] <mindspin> !po
[04:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about po - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:14] <genii> !pt
[04:14] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[04:15] <vonbruno> hi all. i have a better error description now - x server displazs
[04:15] <mindspin> pt
[04:15] <vonbruno> displays black screen
[04:15] <branco> ok, valeu
[04:15] <vonbruno> when 'm trying to install ubuntu 6.10 on my laptop
[04:19] <stdin> somthing strange is hppening here, /dev/hda is now /dev/sda ???
[04:20] <bomber> you might have scsi enulation on
[04:20] <d3413r> cya all
[04:20] <d3413r> maybe back later on
[04:21] <hmg4> sata drives
[04:21] <pegs-using-e17> ok.. on the black screen... what does pressing ctrl+alt+del do (i know usually it reboots the machine.. but during my install it got it past that)
[04:21] <pegs-using-e17> later d34l3r
[04:21] <stdin> i'm on the alterate installer, only boot options are ones I need to boot, like noapic
[04:21] <genii> stdin You have sata?
[04:22] <Lancer13> hi
[04:23] <stdin> genii: it was always hda before, so I think its not sata
[04:23] <hmg4> Yes.
[04:24] <hmg4> It is because of sata.
[04:24] <stdin> hmm, thats odd then
[04:24] <Lancer13> is anybody having problems with edgy and the kmymoney?
[04:24] <genii> some bios map sata to ide so some OS see it as hda   etc  but if the os knows about this it will see sda
[04:24] <BluesKaj> genii, how did LBB manage with his GRUB/BOOT problem the other day ?
[04:25] <genii> BluesKaj We got it :)
[04:25] <stdin> but last time I booted it was hda
[04:25] <BluesKaj> Coolness , genii :)...glad to hear it
[04:25] <pegs-using-e17> has fstab changed, or the actual devices?
[04:25] <genii> BluesKaj Now he is back to his original issue which is somehow mysql-related
[04:26] <stdin> pegs-using-e17: i'm on the alternate install atm, so no fstab is loaded, and the devices haven't changed
[04:26] <BluesKaj> ok
[04:27] <genii> stdin No usb things plugged in by mistake? eg: camera key etc
[04:27] <stdin> genii: no, I removed all the USB devices before reboot
[04:27] <bibek> anyone with guarddog experience???
[04:28] <genii> bibek Well I've bitten a few ppl
[04:28] <genii> do I get the job?
[04:28] <bibek> genii: i got a problem with guarddog
[04:28] <dr0fnax> !xgl
[04:28] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:29] <genii> bibek What exactly is doing / not doing?
[04:29] <bibek> genii: can i set incoming request on port 80 to block
[04:29] <bibek> genii: can i set incoming request on port 80 to DENY
[04:29] <thoreauputic> bibek: I suggest a more specific question :)
[04:29] <thoreauputic> ah, tha's better
[04:29] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:29] <stdin> has anyone else installed feisty, maybe with the alternate installer, and had hda change to sda?
[04:29] <genii> bibek Yes you can. Tho if you run some apache there you may not want to
[04:29] <bibek> genii: and through guarddog, not directly editing iptables
[04:30] <pegs-using-e17> stdin: did it do this after any updates?
[04:30] <stdin> pegs-using-e17: it's not even installed yet, i'm booted off the CD
[04:30] <bibek> genii: i run apache but only for personal use and limited to the box
[04:31] <stdin> it's just a strange thing to happen
[04:32] <genii> So you http://127.0.0.1 ?
[04:32] <pegs-using-e17> stdin: ok, so before fiesty (using other versions) its hda, and when using fiesty its sda?
[04:32] <bibek> yeah
[04:32] <genii> ok
[04:32] <stdin> pegs-using-e17: yep
[04:32] <genii> gimme a minute
[04:32] <pegs-using-e17> i wonder if it could be better dma support, updated drivers or a bug?
[04:32] <stdin> pegs-using-e17: I upgraded edgy -> feisty before and it was still hda
[04:32] <stdin> just booted from the CD and it's sda
[04:33] <pegs-using-e17> umm.. is it faster than bafore??
[04:33] <Pupeno> Any recomendation on spam filtering software ?
[04:33] <bibek> genii: in guarddog >> Protocol >> Zone Properties, i see File transfer >> HTTP so if i block or reject then i cannot access internet
[04:33] <pegs-using-e17> *before
[04:34] <stdin> pegs-using-e17: not that I can notice
[04:34] <genii> bibek I think you can set HTTP as zone protocol, then use Internet Zone with it
[04:34] <BrianSteffens> Does anyone know how to increase the window content repaint speed during resizes?
[04:36] <bibek> genii: ae, thanks let me try
[04:36] <genii> bibek So just put local IPs in Zone and they will be auto allowed internet access
[04:36] <genii> and click Local box in far right window etc
[04:38] <pegs-using-e17> stdin: ok.. found what it could be... seems like drivers http://kernelslacker.livejournal.com/data/rss
[04:39] <herbert> Kennt sich hier jemand mit Evolution aus?
[04:39] <Lynoure> !de | herbert
[04:39] <ubotu> herbert: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:40] <Lynoure> herbert: but if you can ask your question in English, probably
[04:40] <genii> Pupeno For a mail server or a mail client?
[04:42] <BrianSteffens> ok, -no- one else has had a problem where resizing windows in kde looks worse than resizing complex java apps in windows?
[04:42] <genii> Pupeno For something like Thunderbird (client) bogofilter is not bad
[04:42] <stdin> pegs-using-e17: do you know a commandline rss reader :p
[04:43] <genii> Pupeno For a mail server something like spamassassin
[04:43] <pegs-using-e17> sry... using firefos 3.. it seems to just read it.. ill find another article
[04:44] <stdin> i only have access to elinks :p
[04:45] <genii> spamassassin can also be configured for client
[04:45] <pegs-using-e17> ok.. on the ubuntu forums about 4/5ths down the page theree is a 2 line post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=305926
[04:46] <pegs-using-e17> I too can confirm this bug in 2.6.19-6, booting stops during the detection process of the harddisk.
[04:46] <pegs-using-e17> My /dev/hda disk becomes suddenly recognized as /dev/sda (?) and (of course) won't boot from it ! Edgy's kernel gives no problem at all...
[04:46] <soulchild> hello, i started knetworkmanager but my wireless connection is not listed there,why? it is working properly
[04:47] <genii> pegs Good find
[04:49] <stdin> pegs-using-e17: I'll just carry on with the install, see how it goes
[04:49] <soulchild> hey where do i get help ? for kubuntu,seems as nobody is answering here
[04:49] <genii> herd1 seems to be still trampling the flowerbeds a bit
[04:49] <genii> soulchild What was your question?
[04:49] <soulchild> hello, i started knetworkmanager but my wireless connection is not listed there,why? it is working properly
[04:50] <pegs-using-e17> stdin: ok.. gtg.. i should be back later
[04:50] <Lynoure> soulchild: your wireless network is not listed or it just does not connect to it?
[04:50] <genii> soulchild If there is no immediate answer it is most often because there is no one currently in the room who can answer it
[04:50] <soulchild> genii okay but there are a lot of people in here
[04:51] <genii> soulchild Also oftimes someone is googling for an answer to report back etc
[04:51] <soulchild> lynoure it is not listed,
[04:51] <soulchild>  i am connected with it
[04:52] <genii> soulchild If you get no reply to a question after 3 tries (spaced out for politeness over perhaps 10 minutes) then it is usually better to ask at a later time when different ppl are present who may have insight
[04:52] <Lynoure> soulchild: for some reasons, in many cases the interfaces need to be commented out for knetworkmanager to work properly. But if you can connect to it anyway, does it matter that it is not listed?
[04:53] <soulchild> yes, cause i used gentoo before and there it worked and i also could conenct via VPN and i need it to connect at university
[04:53] <leafw> Lynoure : yes it matters :) the symmetry of the universe is broken
[04:53] <genii> leafw So it would seem :)
[04:54] <leafw> is anyone on powerpc? Just wondering.
[04:54] <Lynoure> leafw: maintaining symmetry is a non-grateful volunteer task :)
[04:54] <Lynoure> soulchild: so you cannot see any networks with knetworkmanager or just not your own?
[04:54] <leafw> Lynoure : and most unrewarding! When everything works, users assume that is how "things should be", and never say thank you.
[04:55] <genii> leafw I have old ubuntu (hoary) on an imac but not here with me
[04:55] <leafw> genii : did you manage to plug two monitors on it?
[04:55] <soulchild> lynoure i only see my wired connection
[04:55] <leafw> I can't get a DVI digital monitor to work
[04:55] <soulchild> but there isnot VPN and not wireless
[04:55] <leafw> only VGA ones.
[04:55] <genii> leafw I never tried
[04:55] <Lynoure> leafw: I try to be greedy enough about my own time to avoid too many unrewarding things :)
[04:56] <leafw> Lynoure : then you may be missing the pleasure of observing the joy and wonder in the face of the clueless
[04:56] <Lynoure> soulchild: try commenting your wireless for /etc/network/interfaces , networkmanager seems to require that sometimes
[04:57] <Lynoure> leafw: I do not avoid the clueless, just helping them if it does not give me any (happiness, money, or whatever... most often happiness)
[04:58] <soulchild> Lynoure hmm how,...do i comment iahve the following: auto eth1
[04:58] <leafw> soulchild : standard, use # as in perl/python/php
[04:58] <Lynoure> soulchild: #  is the commenting character there too.
[04:58] <soulchild> i dont understand what u want me to do now, write #Wireless Network over eth1
[04:59] <genii> soulchild Is there is a line with wlan0 in it?
[04:59] <Captain_Haddock> is there a command line version of adept available?
[04:59] <leafw> soulchild : just comment out the line, in a proper editor it should turn blue or red (the whole line)
[04:59] <Lynoure> soulchild: you used gentoo but do not know how to comment?
[04:59] <soulchild> genii no
[04:59] <leafw> Captain_Haddock : apt-get and dpkg
[04:59] <leafw> !ubotu apt-get
[04:59] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[04:59] <soulchild> lynoure i user sabayon, a gentoo installer ;)
[05:00] <Captain_Haddock> leafw: cheers.
[05:00] <leafw> yw
[05:00] <Lynoure> soulchild: see http://www.lynoure.org/blog/index.php?/archives/76-Solving-the-common-NetworkManager-problem.html for example
[05:01] <genii> Lynoure eth1 must be his wlan0 I would think
[05:01] <Lynoure> soulchild: then I assume it takes restart of X at least, but I cannot remember that bit.
[05:01] <genii> eth0 onboard wired
[05:01] <leafw> genii : most likely.
[05:01] <soulchild> yes eth1 is my wlan
[05:01] <Lynoure> genii: I commented all, but I only use network with networkmanager, always
[05:02] <Lynoure> anyway, no harm from it and easy as breathing to uncomment if one wants to go back
[05:02] <genii> Any line with eth0 You should leave uncommented I would think
[05:02] <soulchild> okay i commented the teo lines with eth1 out schoul i log out and login ?
[05:02] <soulchild> teo=two
[05:03] <genii> soulchild You can restart X from the login screen with crtl-E (or possibly alt-E  I forget)
[05:03] <Lynoure> soulchild: That should do it. If not, just uncomment and you are back where you started
[05:03] <leafw> soulchild : no need to overkill, just sudo ifdown eth1 && sudo ifup eth1
[05:03] <soulchild> okay i ll try
[05:03] <leafw> oops, you wanted the network-manager ... then, just restart it
[05:04] <leafw> right-click the applet, quit, and then alt-F2 type in network-manager
[05:04] <leafw> ah, testing and chatting from the same computer, wrong wrong ...
[05:05] <Lynoure> leafw: well, he knows how to get things like they were before, so not that dangerous
[05:05] <Lynoure> soulchild: that was fast :)
[05:06] <soulchild> i am back: it was alt + e to restart the x but no succes, still no wireless card in knetworkmanager
[05:07] <soulchild> i recognized, that i can deactivate my wireless card in knetwork manager, is it possible that another programm connects via wireless cardand i can t see it in knetworkmanager then
[05:07] <Lynoure> soulchild: No success in restarting networkmanager or in restarting X?
[05:07] <soulchild> restarting x
[05:08] <leafw> soulchild, you missed this: right-click the applet, quit, and then alt-F2 type in network-manager
[05:08] <leafw> to restart the network-manager only (no need to kill X or logout)
[05:08] <soulchild> leafw which applet
[05:08] <leafw> the network-manager icon is not just an icon.
[05:08] <soulchild> ok
[05:08] <Captain_Haddock> sucks when the mirror located next door doesn't store 64 bit packages :(
[05:09] <leafw> Captain_Haddock : the world is unfair
[05:09] <genii> Captain_Haddock which locale?
[05:09] <soulchild> leafw: still no succes
[05:09] <Captain_Haddock> leafw: aye
[05:10] <Captain_Haddock> genii: I'm in Madras, India.
[05:10] <soulchild> should i uninstall wlanassisten???
[05:10] <Captain_Haddock> if that's what you mean..
[05:11] <genii> Captain_Haddock Yes that was my meaning :) I just discovered a fast mirror near me but it is far from India (Canada)
[05:11] <Lynoure> soulchild: no need to, but if you want to only keep packages you use, maybe. But I'd keep it till this works
[05:11] <Captain_Haddock> genii: ah :) The joys of living in the developing world mate..
[05:11] <soulchild> wlanassisten is running, maybe thats the problem, cause he connects me with internet, i am afraid, that i have no connection if i uninstall
[05:11] <Captain_Haddock> Local mirrors out here are about as common as a straight politician.
[05:11] <genii> heh
[05:11] <leafw> soulchild : just quit it, don't uninstall it
[05:12] <genii> Interestingly Canada developed as it may be seems to have only about 3 good mirrors
[05:13] <Captain_Haddock> Well, most people would consider Canada to be the 51st state of the US :P
[05:13] <Captain_Haddock> That beefs up those stats ;)
[05:13] <genii> yes, unfortunately
[05:13] <leafw> genii : they only need to keep the crypto, the rest can be leached out of their backwards southern neighbours, can't it.
[05:13] <genii> leafw Heh cheeky
[05:13] <genii> LOL
[05:14] <leafw> no wonder projects like openbsd live in canada :)
[05:14] <genii> leafw Actually we some of the fastest fibre on the planet and i'm sitting about 100 yards from it all
[05:14] <genii> <-- OC3
[05:14] <leafw> genii : sounds good
[05:15] <Captain_Haddock> genii: it improves the digestive process of everybody within a 10 mile radius?
[05:15] <Captain_Haddock> :S
[05:15] <soulchild> how can i disconnect ??
[05:15] <leafw> we have an internal repos autoupdating all the time, and gigabit swiches all over the house
[05:15] <genii> Captain_Haddock in a strage way, yes, yes it does
[05:15] <Lynoure> Captain_Haddock: it would be very unlike Haddock to shut up :)
[05:15] <soulchild> still no succes,... :(
[05:15] <Captain_Haddock> *sigh*.. back to 12Kbps downloads :(
[05:15] <Captain_Haddock> Lynoure: heh
[05:16] <genii> are you on dialup there?
[05:16] <Lynoure> soulchild: if you do not mind the overkill, you could try restarting X or loging out and back in.
[05:16] <genii> 12K on dialup is not too bad
[05:16] <Captain_Haddock> genii: this is desi-broadband .. ~256 Kbps
[05:16] <genii> Ah OK
[05:16] <Captain_Haddock> dial-up maxes out at 7Kbps theoretical..
[05:16] <leafw> Lynoure : root-managed stuff may not be restarted when loging out.
[05:16] <stdin> I have 4Mbps :D
[05:17] <Captain_Haddock> stdin: I'm happy for you.
[05:17] <Captain_Haddock> ;)
[05:17] <stdin> I'm happy for me too :p
[05:17] <genii> Is madras in the south or north?
[05:18] <Lynoure> leafw: thanks for reminding me. I should remember to be careful when saying things when in fever
[05:18] <Captain_Haddock> genii: south.. south east to be precise.
[05:18] <Lynoure> What a jolly way to have Xmas :(
[05:18] <Captain_Haddock> It's called Chennai now btw..
[05:18] <genii> Ah, no wonder then :(
[05:18] <genii> All that copper etc
[05:19] <FFForever> hi people
[05:19] <stdin> ok, let's try and boot feisty now
[05:19] <genii> stdin I'm crossin my fingers!
[05:19] <stdin> thanks genii
[05:20] <FFForever> how can i install gunbound revolution on kubuntu?
[05:20] <Lynoure> FFF: What is gunbound revolution?
[05:20] <FFForever> a windows game
[05:20] <FFForever> :D
[05:20] <Lynoure> FFForever: then try wine or cedega.
[05:21] <FFForever> is cedega free?
[05:21] <Lynoure> No, but for some games it works better than wine. Was gunbound revolution free?
[05:22] <FFForever> yeah :D
[05:22] <FFForever> not was it is free :D
[05:22] <Jucato> Cedega CVS is free, but not officially supported, afaik
[05:23] <FFForever> whats the diff from cvs and cedega?
[05:24] <ionutz-nelu_> [18:23]  <-- roconnor has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
[05:24] <Jucato> afaik, cedega cvs is like the development/beta version of cedega.
[05:24] <ionutz-nelu_> romanians?
[05:24] <Jucato> it contains that stuff that might eventually go into the main cedega release
[05:24] <ionutz-nelu_> romani pe aici?
[05:24] <Jucato> !ro
[05:24] <ubotu> Daca doriti ajutor sau doriti sa discutati despre Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu, intrati pe #ubuntu-ro
[05:25] <soulchild> how can i activate VPN in knetworkmanager
[05:26] <leafw> Cedega-CVS is smartly free as in please-alpha/beta-test-our-cash-cow, similar to Fedora for Red Hat
[05:26] <leafw> which I would do if they provided then a free license for me
[05:27] <FFForever> can cedega run ie?
[05:28] <Stalwart> wine can run ie
[05:28] <Lam_> instead of #!/bin/bash, could i use #!/usr/bin/screen to write a screen script?
[05:28] <FFForever> uhhhh ie launches the game
[05:28] <FFForever> lol
[05:28] <FFForever> through an active x plugin
[05:29] <Lynoure> soulchild: How have you done VPN before? there are really many ways...
[05:30] <roland__> i cant install ubuntu 6.10 with installed Grafic-card Geforce 6800
[05:30] <roland__> runlevel 3 allways shows - unsuported mode -
[05:31] <roland__> i have done the right settings in the xorg.conf already
[05:31] <roland__> who wants to help me
[05:32] <soulchild> lynoure: i had VPN in my knetworkmanager
[05:32] <jsheedy> how can you get clickable user in the login screen?  I have selected it under setup, but it will not display them?
[05:33] <leafw> any clues on what kind of format is a .chm file ?
[05:33] <ibert> how can I make an audio-cd of mp3's?
[05:33] <Captain_Haddock> leafw: WIndows help
[05:34] <leafw> Captain_Haddock : I was just reading that in wikipedia
[05:34] <jsheedy> use k3b
[05:34] <leafw> thanls
[05:34] <nuxil> anyone on dapper?
[05:34] <Captain_Haddock> leafw: I'm certain that there is something called a CHM viewer for Linux.
[05:34] <ibert> jsheedy: k3b says format not supported
[05:34] <nuxil> do you get any output when doing env |grep KDE
[05:34] <leafw> yes, the GnoCHM or KchmViewer
[05:34] <Jucato> !kchmviewer
[05:34] <ubotu> kchmviewer: CHM viewer for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 200 kB, installed size 624 kB
[05:34] <nuxil> env |grep KDE
[05:34] <nuxil> pls show me output
[05:34] <Lynoure> soulchild: I do not know the detail of that, but you might find kvpnc handy
[05:35] <jsheedy> ibert: not sure, maybe something to do with the mp3 format license issue or something, but it can be done.
[05:35] <Jucato> ibert: install the libk3b2-mp3 package
[05:35] <Jucato> !libk3b2-mp3
[05:35] <ubotu> libk3b2-mp3: The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.17-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 100 kB
[05:35] <Lynoure> soulchild: Next time when changing distros, you could do well to take a copy of the configuration files for your own reference.
[05:36] <soulchild> lynoure how ?
[05:36] <ibert> Jucato: thanx a lot. works!
[05:36] <Jucato> :)
[05:38] <roboso> ragazzi+
[05:38] <Lynoure> soulchild: how to copy configuration files: copying /etc and the .files from your home directory would have done most of it.
[05:38] <john1987>  leafw: I'm certain that there is something called a CHM viewer for Linux. ----xchm
[05:38] <roboso> ho un piccolo problema
[05:40] <Captain_Haddock> Anyone have a best practices link when it comes to switching distros?
[05:42] <genii> Do you remember any hardware issues?
[05:42] <Captain_Haddock> genii: with the suse box?
[05:42] <Perkabalo> Hi i've just installed kubuntu and i'm wondering, how do i enable multiverse, i've already enabled universe, but can't find multivere.
[05:43] <leafw> Captain_Haddock : backup your home partition, and just overwrite your system partition with [k] ubuntu
[05:43] <john1987> it is multiverse
 Hi i've just installed kubuntu and i'm wondering, how do i enable multiverse, i've already enabled universe, but can't find multivere..................................multiverse
[05:43] <genii> Captain_Haddock Yes, eg: Temperamental video card, etc stuff that needed special non out-of the-box setups. If so try to make sure the settings which work now get recorded someplace
[05:43] <Perkabalo> oh ok
[05:43] <john1987> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:43] <leafw> Captain_Haddock : I would also save the /etc folder to be able to retrieve configurations of networks etc.
[05:44] <Captain_Haddock> leafw: ah, that's useful thanks.
[05:44] <Captain_Haddock> genii: onboard nvidia. SUSE detects it fine..
[05:45] <Captain_Haddock> genii: no other HW issues that I can remember.
[05:45] <Perkabalo> one more, is there a guide on how I install fglrx?
[05:45] <Jucato> !ati
[05:45] <Captain_Haddock> genii: I suppose I would get a decent idea by using the live CD.
[05:45] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:46] <genii> Captain_Haddock if you back up the /etc as suggested most info should get preserved as to app setups etc
[05:46] <Captain_Haddock> genii: sounds good, thanks :)
[05:46] <Captain_Haddock> How will users, permissions etc. be affected?
[05:46] <Perkabalo> thanks ubotu
[05:47] <Captain_Haddock> Perkabalo: ubotu is the bot. You should thank Jucato instead :)
[05:47] <Jucato> lol
[05:47] <soulchild> hey it works
[05:47] <Jucato> no need :)
[05:48] <genii> Captain_Haddock If you are having /home saved separate, whatever users had accounts should be setup with identical names before /home dir is transplanted back
[05:48] <soulchild> THANKS A LOT, just had to restart the whole machine, and knetworkmanager shows my wlan
[05:49] <soulchild> will vpn automaticlly be in knetworkmanager if i install a vpn client
[05:50] <leafw> soulchild : only one way to find out.
[05:50] <soulchild> leafw okay... i ll try
[05:54] <stdin> feisty install, take 2
[05:54] <genii> stdin So no-go 1st time round i gather
[05:54] <Jucato> good luck
[05:55] <stdin> yeah, was kinda my fault tho :p
[05:55] <genii> sda vs hda stuff again?
[05:55] <stdin> no, it booted fine, I just messed it up
[05:55] <tiede> Hi everyone. I am on KDE. And I want the Logo button on my Computer to bring up the KDE menu. I have to set xmodmap -e 'Keycode 115=Menu' every time I start the computer. This is getting annoying... How do I make the PC do that itself?
[05:55] <stdin> I untarred some files and it messed somethin up, so Im givin it another go
[05:56] <genii> tiede Just insert that line to .Xsession with an ampersand after
[05:57] <genii> tiede /home/yourusername/.Xsession
[05:58] <tiede> thanks.
[05:58] <genii> tiede np
[05:59] <genii> need to do a coffee run. see you all in 5
[06:00] <sshyperion> hey guys, i have a bit of a small question. I'm currently using Konversation (in Kubuntu, obviously) and there're no default server lists besides freenode. is there a way to import a list like one you'd find in windows for mIRC?
[06:00] <jsheedy> how can you get clickable user in the login screen?  I have selected it under setup, but it will not display them?
[06:00] <sshyperion> jsheedy: have you tried reloading your IRC client?
[06:02] <jsheedy> I am sorry, I mean the kdm login screen
[06:03] <jsheedy> I have 4 users on the syste, they want to be able to click their names, and just enter the passwords.
[06:03] <Jucato> jsheedy: some of the Login Manager settings do not affect the login screen in Kubuntu, because it is using a KDM Theme. You either need to find a KDM theme that has a user list section, or disable KDM themes
[06:04] <Jucato> (to easily disabled/enabled/install/change KDM themes, I suggest installing the "kdmtheme" package, which can be accessed through KControl once installed)
[06:04] <jsheedy> Jucato: ok cool and thx, where can I change the theme, under system settings?
[06:05] <jsheedy> oh geez
[06:05] <jsheedy> beat me to the punch line.
[06:05] <jsheedy> Jucato: thx again.
[06:06] <Jucato> jsheedy: if you're on Edgy, you have to run KControl (not system settings) to see kdmtheme (called KDM Theme Manager)
[06:06] <jsheedy> Jucato: ok
[06:06] <Jucato> jsheedy: are you on edgy?
[06:07] <jsheedy> Jucato: yes
[06:07] <Jucato> you might find this theme useful: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=49721
[06:07] <buz> anybody using knetworkmanager?
[06:07] <avgasse> hello, after reading tons of documentation, I'm finally able to use my logitech bluetooth keyboard&mouse; but I'm still not able to connect to my phone (Nokia 6680)
[06:07] <Lynoure> buz: yes, just helped another one 20min ago
[06:08] <buz> Lynoure: is there a bug with it not figuring out it needs to use WPA2?
[06:08] <avgasse> i'm on edgy with kde
[06:08] <buz> it works for WPA1 networks just fine
[06:08] <buz> and for WPA2 too, but only if i enter everything by hand
[06:08] <avgasse> all bluez-related software is installed
[06:08] <buz> not when i just click on the network
[06:08] <Lynoure> buz: I do not know. Check at Launchpad?
[06:08] <darkkish_> hey
[06:08] <darkkish_> my wifi
[06:08] <darkkish_> is not working
[06:08] <darkkish_> what do i do?
[06:08] <darkkish_> i mean its kidnof working
[06:08] <darkkish_> is there a generic ubuntu wifi program i can use instead of the kde one?
[06:09] <buz> darkkish_: what wifi do you have
[06:09] <Jucato> !enter
[06:09] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[06:10] <avgasse> I want to send a file from my nokia 6680 to my pc. How do I do that?
[06:10] <sshyperion> darkkish_: there is a base network-manager program in Ubuntu (dapper at least)
[06:10] <sshyperion> you can either look it up in your package manager under "network-manager"
[06:10] <Hawkwind> sshyperion: He's already gone
[06:11] <sshyperion> ooh good point lol
[06:11] <Jucato> Hawkwind!!!!!!
[06:11] <genii> lol Jucato
[06:11] <Hawkwind> Jucato!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:11] <sshyperion> quickly seguaying back to my question a few min. ago, is there a way to have Konversation load up a default list of servers, similar/same to how you'd find a list in mIRC?
[06:11] <avgasse> hcitool scan   says   Device is not available: No such device
[06:11] <Jucato> sshyperion: currently, no
[06:12] <sshyperion> darn
[06:13] <avgasse> It's impossible that there is no device, because how else would I be able to use my keyboard&mouse? Can anyone please give me some "dummy" instructions?
[06:14] <darkkish_> ...
[06:14] <darkkish_> !ping
[06:14] <ubotu> 64 bytes from ubotu (10.13.37.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.33 ms
[06:14] <darkkish_> holy crap
[06:14] <darkkish_> how am i online :-/
[06:15] <genii> interesting reply from ubotu
[06:15] <d3413r> !ping
[06:15] <ubotu> 64 bytes from ubotu (10.13.37.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.33 ms
[06:15] <genii> !chargen
[06:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chargen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:16] <genii> Hmm
[06:16] <darkkish_> xchat is the ONLY thing that works.
[06:16] <d3413r> i got some problem
[06:16] <d3413r> :(
[06:16] <soulchild> hello, my kubuntu stops while booting at the beginning and need 1 minute to go on, how can i find out what problem that is ?
[06:16] <avgasse> why does kde lie about the presence of a bluetooth adapter? It says there is no bluetooth adapter, but that is a lie. There is a bluetooth usb dongle, without which I wouldn't be able to use my keyboard.
[06:16] <darkkish_> Hawkwind: what was that about?
[06:17] <genii> soulchild There should be some hint perhaps in the file /var/log/error.log
[06:17] <darkkish_> no internet is working at all except this
[06:17] <darkkish_> wtf
[06:17] <soulchild> genii thanks i ll see
[06:18] <avgasse> is anyone reading my messages on this channel?
[06:18] <soulchild> genii: there is no error.log
[06:18] <Jucato> darkkish_: IM (Kopete or GAIM) also not working?
[06:19] <genii> soulchild Try then perhaps issuing:   tail dmesg
[06:19] <genii> And examine for clues
[06:19] <Jucato> darkkish_: if only IRC and IM work and now web browsing, it might be a DNS problem
[06:20] <darkkish_> genii: i'm not getting websites, adept updater won't get updates, i can't get on aim or msn
[06:20] <darkkish_> oh wait i can get on aim but not msn
[06:20] <darkkish_> but everything works fine on my windows boot
[06:20] <darkkish_> (except alot slower)
[06:20] <darkkish_> what do i do?
[06:20] <soulchild> genii i didnt unterstand,, i am beginner,what is tail dmesg, comman???
[06:20] <darkkish_> genii: evreything works fine on Windows XP
[06:20] <sshyperion> avgasse: try to see if the usb device is being mounted
[06:20] <genii> soulchild Open up the application named Konole. And then into the text window to type:     tail dmesg
[06:21] <soulchild> i did
[06:21] <darkkish_> Jucato: i can run msn on kopete and aim on gaim or vice versa but it won't run both on one at the sa,re time
[06:21] <soulchild> it only works without tail
[06:21] <sshyperion> if it's not being detected properly like that, then it'll not be properly detected by software using it
[06:21] <darkkish_> Jucato: (wtf?)
[06:21] <soulchild> dmesg shows me the whole boot log, right ?
[06:21] <darkkish_> everything was working fine now i wish i had a xubuntu cd to reformat
[06:21] <darkkish_> lol
[06:21] <Jucato> :O
[06:21] <Jucato> W_W
[06:21] <Jucato> er... that was supposed to be @_@
[06:22] <genii> soulchild In the result there may be some lines which say things like:   error no 6      or maybe other lines with the word error etc
[06:22] <darkkish_> :X
[06:22] <d3413r> nee dhelp
[06:22] <darkkish_> yeah i'm running kubuntu right now
[06:22] <soulchild> ok ...
[06:22] <d3413r> my Xine is fucked up
[06:22] <d3413r> music is played too fats
[06:22] <LjL> !language
[06:22] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:22] <Hawkwind> !language | d3413r
[06:22] <ubotu> d3413r: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:22] <d3413r> i dont need this 2 times
[06:22] <d3413r> -.-
[06:22] <d3413r> 1 time is enough
[06:22] <darkkish_> ...
[06:22] <soulchild> genii:  Buffer I/O error on device hdb, logical block 8
[06:22] <xenol> plz how cna i kill adept if i dont see it in processes?
[06:22] <d3413r> sudo killall adept
[06:22] <d3413r> or
[06:22] <d3413r> sudo killall adept_manager
[06:22] <d3413r> should be the 2nd
[06:22] <xenol> thx
[06:23] <genii> soulchild This indicates a hard drive issue.
[06:23] <d3413r> need some help
[06:23] <d3413r> >_<
[06:23] <soulchild> genii: there is also : end_request: I/O error, dev hdb, sector 64
[06:23] <d3413r> how can i fix this problem with my xine
[06:23] <d3413r> ?
[06:23] <d3413r> it plays music 2 fast
[06:23] <soulchild> genii: so what can i do ?
[06:23] <xenol> damnnation got problem in procces i dont see adept and when i try to kill it with konsole it says no procces running
[06:24] <d3413r> why do you think it is adept?
[06:24] <d3413r> cant lock directory?
[06:24] <xenol> well adept notifier and apt-get r same aint they?
[06:25] <genii> soulchild Well the first thing to try would be to reboot the computer to Recovery kernel by selecting it from boot menu. You can get the menu by hitting ESC key during boot. Then when you get a command prompt, you would type in:   fsck -y /dev/hdb1
[06:26] <soulchild> recovery kernel ? i installed kubuntu 1 hour ago
[06:26] <Jucato> xenol: adept notifier is an app that will automatically notify you, through an icon in the system tray, if there are updates available. it runs apt-get update daily, afaik. with apt-get you have to do it manually
[06:26] <genii> soulchild It appears perhaps the machine was powered off by the power switch and so the hard drive needs to be checked,
[06:27] <soulchild> ahh, so u want me to do a hard drive check, via fsck?
[06:27] <genii> soulchild The recovery kernel is installed as part of the default installation
[06:27] <soulchild> genii: ahh ok,...
[06:27] <genii> soulchild Yes.
[06:27] <xenol> ah k any way how can i kill all running processes?
[06:27] <xenol> or at least open apps?
[06:27] <soulchild> so, now reboot, press ESC, choose command line and enter fsck ...
[06:28] <genii> soulchild After all fsck commands are completed , type reboot to safely reboot the computer as well.
[06:28] <genii> soulchild Yes
[06:28] <soulchild> genii: RIGHT? u want me to start a comman line while i am im GRUB ?
[06:29] <genii> soulchild No, do not go to the grub command promp. Select the Recovery kernel on the listing of available kernels
[06:30] <genii> soulchild You may need to interrupt the process of grub by way of ESC key to do this
[06:31] <stdin> finaly, feisty is installed :p
[06:31] <soulchild> genii: ahh okay... thanks a lot
[06:31] <genii> soulchild I will be here after your second reboot to see if there is still ahard drive issue, OK?
[06:32] <soulchild> ok
[06:32] <soulchild> thanks
[06:32] <genii> stdin Woohoo :)
[06:32] <Jucato> stdin: now to get it running :)
[06:32] <user_deployment> is ti freenode here?
[06:32] <stdin> i'll have to try not to screw it up this time :P
[06:32] <user_deployment> is it freenode here?
[06:32] <genii> yes irc.freenode,net
[06:32] <stdin> user_deployment: yes, this is freenode
[06:33] <user_deployment> all ubuntu install finish with ubuntu generic
[06:33] <Jucato> ??
[06:34] <user_deployment> I have integrated intel onboard vgastealing memory
[06:34] <genii> I imagine he means default kernel is 2.6.xx-0 generic
[06:34] <Jucato> ah...
[06:35] <Jucato> my brain must be running on Windows....
[06:35] <user_deployment> uname =
[06:35] <Jucato> user_deployment: there's nothing wrong there. the -generic kernel is built/optimized for all x86 architectures
[06:35] <user_deployment> 2.6.17-10-generic
[06:35] <Jucato> !generic | user_deployment
[06:35] <ubotu> user_deployment: Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[06:36] <user_deployment> tyvm jucato
[06:38] <genii> OK time for a Q: Anyone gotten Conexant modem HSF or HCF drivers compiling successfully on Edgy yet?
[06:39] <genii> <- No joy in mudville yet with these Conexants
[06:39] <leafw> any clue on what is new in feisty?
[06:39] <leafw> !feisty
[06:39] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[06:40] <genii> Hopefully xorg 7.2
[06:40] <leafw> doncha luv ubotu, I do
[06:40] <leafw> why hopefully? Better xgl?
[06:40] <genii> domo arigato Mr ubotu
[06:41] <genii> Hopefully full openGL for the  radeon series
[06:41] <leafw> composite-by-default
[06:41] <ArrAKeeN> iop
[06:42] <user_deployment> Jucato:  genii stil have not 3d for , say planetpenguin or other
[06:42] <user_deployment> onboard intel
[06:42] <leafw> zero-configuration-networking sounds right
[06:42] <stdin> onboard intel works with aiglx
[06:42] <Jucato> genii: ubotu said "do itashimashite"
[06:43] <genii> LOL Jucato
[06:43] <darkkish_> wtf
[06:43] <darkkish_> i'm not even connected to the wireles router
[06:43] <darkkish_> how can i be talking to you guys :-/
[06:43] <genii> By magic?
[06:43] <stdin> are you shouting loudly?
[06:44] <marc_> Hello, I got a fresh kubuntu installation  (6.10) and everytime i try to enter "adobe", selecting "proprietary software" in the GUI-apt, version. It crashes ... without any "help-crying" or error messages ?!?! Is that a "bad joke" by the programmers? or what do I do wrong?
[06:44] <genii> darkkish Whatever you had before must be better than this
[06:44] <darkkish_> genii: what are some alternatives to wlassistant?
[06:44] <user_deployment> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookda
[06:44] <user_deployment> le-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)
[06:44] <darkkish_> windows genii
[06:44] <genii> heh smarty
[06:44] <darkkish_> actually it was a diferent router the other day.
[06:44] <knapp> What is the proper way to lock version using aptitude. I tried "sudo aptitude keep <program>" but that didn't work.
[06:45] <darkkish_> but i don't think thats the problem
[06:45] <darkkish_> everything has een screwing up lately
[06:45] <eMaX> moin
[06:45] <user_deployment> stdin:  aiglx?
[06:45] <stdin> user_deployment: that's the same chipset I have
[06:45] <darkkish_> !ping
[06:45] <ubotu> 64 bytes from ubotu (10.13.37.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.33 ms
[06:45] <genii> Conceivably might be different if one uses wpa1 and the other uses wpa2 but it's remote
[06:45] <stdin> !aiglx
[06:45] <ubotu> AIGLX (Accelerated Indirect GLX) is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Head to #ubuntu-xgl for support.
[06:45] <user_deployment> sudo apt-get install aiglx ? ok
[06:45] <stdin> user_deployment: you on edgy?
[06:46] <user_deployment> yep
[06:46] <stdin> user_deployment: it's already installed then
[06:46] <darkkish_> brb
[06:46] <user_deployment> stdin: what about planetpenguin performance (tuxracer)
[06:46] <genii> darkkish_ I'll try to find something suitable for you to try, afk researching
[06:46] <user_deployment> stdin ?
[06:47] <reave> does wine work on the 64 bit version of linux?
[06:47] <darkkish_> k thanks
[06:47] <darkkish_> if i go offline i'll be back shortly
[06:47] <darkkish_> disabling and re-enabling my wireless card
[06:47] <user_deployment> tuxracer slow
[06:47] <stdin> user_deployment: maybe this page will help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLXOnEdgy
[06:47] <user_deployment> OK
[06:47] <soulchild> genii: stil there?
[06:47] <Lam_> instead of #!/bin/bash, could i use #!/usr/bin/screen to write a screen script?
[06:47] <genii> soulchild Yes
[06:48] <genii> soulchild Is it still halting during boot then eventually continuing?
[06:48] <soulchild> genii: fsck: no such file or dictonary while trying to open /dev/hdb1
[06:48] <soulchild> genii:yes
[06:49] <genii> dictionary??
[06:49] <genii> hmm
[06:49] <soulchild> genii: i mean dir
[06:49] <genii> Ah OK
[06:49] <zorglu_> Lam_: yes
[06:49] <darkkish_> how do you open the task manager thing
[06:49] <darkkish_> ctrl + esc?
[06:49] <zorglu_> Lam_: assuming /usr/bin/screen will be able to handle such a script
[06:50] <genii> soulchild To which hard drive is your kubuntu installed?
[06:50] <soulchild> genii: i only have one
[06:50] <Lam_> zorglu_: ok i'll give it a shot. thanks
[06:50] <soulchild> genii: and choosed that gpart shoul format the whole thing
[06:51] <genii> soulchild Please, in Konsole type: mount -a and then cut and paste the results to pastebin for me
[06:51] <genii> !pastebin | soulchild
[06:51] <ubotu> soulchild: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:51] <leafw> soulchild is getting a full "do-it-all-for-me" session here.
[06:51] <soulchild> genii: nothing
[06:51] <leafw> volunteered, indeed.
[06:51] <genii> sorry not mount -a   just   mount
[06:51] <soulchild> okay
[06:51] <genii> bleh need to sip more coffee :)
[06:52] <leafw> soulchild : before running a command from someone else, it's advisable to type   man thatcommand  to check it won't format your hard drive for instance.
[06:52] <soulchild> genii: http://pastebin.ca/290090
[06:53] <leafw> so, if   mount -a   "didn't work", just   man mount   and read ...
[06:53] <genii> leafw Heh only as a last resort is sudo rmdir -R /
[06:53] <soulchild> leafw: i know and i apprecciate that genii is helping me that much
[06:53] <leafw> genii, that is only for painful and clueless leachers I hope
[06:53] <simon_> hello
[06:54] <soulchild> leafw: man + command or man alone or command + man
[06:54] <leafw> soulchild : roger, otherwise genii wouldn't keep at it :)
[06:54] <leafw> soulchild:  man man   !!!
[06:54] <darkkish_> genii:
[06:54] <darkkish_> genii: wlassistant keeps crashing
[06:54] <darkkish_> QTimer::timeout () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
[06:55] <user_deployment> how to kill x from true konsole
[06:55] <andreasw> Hi, I can't get mouse gestures in 6.10 to work with konqueror
[06:55] <stdin> user_deployment: sudo killall Xorg
[06:55] <zorglu_> user_deployment: you may try 'killall X' but you likely better reboot completly
[06:55] <genii> soulchild From your paste, it seems that /dev/hdb is not mounted or used anyplace. You may want to check physically in your machine to see if there are 2 hard drives or only 1 attached to the ribbon which is for the master channel.
[06:56] <knapp> What is the proper way to lock version using aptitude? I tried "sudo aptitude keep <program>" but that didn't work.
[06:56] <stdin> or ctrl-alt-BackSpace from X
[06:56] <soulchild> genii: i only have one harddisc
[06:56] <soulchild> genii or did u mean something else ?
[06:56] <user_deployment> tyvm stdin
[06:56] <Jucato> user_deployment: from true konsole? you mean like tty (Ctrl+Alt+F1)?
[06:57] <genii> soulchild If there are 2 I would remove the offensive one. If only 1 then it may be that the computer bios believes there are 2 hard drives, or thet the jumpers which are physically set on the single drive are incorrect for where it sits on the ribbon
[06:57] <Jucato> stdin: where's stdout?
[06:57] <Jucato> :)
[06:57] <soulchild> genii: i am sitting on a notebook with one harddrive... bios is set up correctly
[06:57] <darkkish_> wlassistant keeps crashign :-/
[06:58] <darkkish_> it won't stay on
[06:58] <darkkish_> fix it fix it
[06:58] <genii> soulchild Do you have some USB storage deivce perhaps plugged in?
[06:58] <darkkish_> no
[06:58] <darkkish_> oh
[06:58] <darkkish_> >_>
[06:58] <Lam_> what does tty stand for?
[06:58] <soulchild> no but i have a sd card reader intern
[06:58] <darkkish_> genii: wlan  = broken :C
[06:58] <Jucato> heh I forgot... :)
[06:58] <genii> tty = TeleeTYpe
[06:58] <Jucato> ah
[06:59] <Lam_> cool
[06:59] <Jucato> I thought it was something like True TeleType
[06:59] <xenol> i want to ask  is beryl part of XGL,
[06:59] <xenol> ?
[06:59] <soulchild> what is hdb used for ?
[06:59] <xenol> !xgl
[06:59] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[06:59] <genii> soulchild Are there any memory cards (SDcard or so on) plugged in right now?
[06:59] <soulchild> no
[06:59] <soulchild> genii: no
[07:00] <darkkish_> genii: should i uninstall + reinstall wlanassist?
[07:00] <Jucato> xenol: beryl is a window manager that makes use of XGL or AIGLX technology
[07:00] <genii> darkkish_ Well if I were where you are, yes
[07:00] <Jucato> xenol: for more info, go to #ubuntu-xgl
[07:00] <darkkish_> genii: oh wait, no adept
[07:00] <andreasw> anybody got Mouse gestures working with 6.10 and Konqueror?
[07:00] <darkkish_> genii: no apt-get, internet is not working other than this.
[07:00] <xenol> jucato so XGL alone is nothing and only beryl can use those effects
[07:00] <dettoaltrimenti_> is WINE the best windows emulator for linux/
[07:01] <stdin> dettoaltrimenti_: Wine Is Not an Emulator
[07:01] <Jucato> xenol: sort of. I'm not sure what other things you can do with XGL/AIGLX without beryl/compiz
[07:01] <genii> darkkish_ Sounds like DNS messed somehow
[07:01] <dettoaltrimenti_> oh
[07:01] <leafw> dettoaltrimenti_ : [w] ine [i] s [n] ot a [w] indows [w] mulator
[07:01] <darkkish_> genii: all the other comps work ifne
[07:01] <stdin> that's what WINE stands for :p
[07:01] <darkkish_> leafw: no.
[07:01] <genii> soulchild Please bear with me
[07:01] <darkkish_> leafw: lol
[07:01] <Jucato> darkkish_: all the other comps use the same DNS?
[07:01] <linopil> stdin,
[07:02] <soulchild> bear? sorry, my english isn t good
[07:02] <darkkish_> darkkish_: ummm idk?
[07:02] <darkkish_> er
[07:02] <leafw> dettoaltrimenti_ : wine implements the API that a windows program expects, so that it can run, show its windows and panels and buttons, etc.
[07:02] <darkkish_> Jucato: =idk
[07:02] <darkkish_> i'm going insane,
[07:02] <genii> soulchild Please wait for me to return to your issue
[07:02] <linopil> tyvm again penguin racer performs OK
[07:02] <soulchild> genii: no problem
[07:02] <xenol> jucato no anwser from that IRC channel
[07:02] <linopil> wat car racer for linux ?
[07:02] <Jucato> xenol: well, you'll just have to wait or hang around...
[07:03] <xenol> jucato now i understand i dont need beryl only compiz :/
[07:03] <genii> darkkish_ If you uncomment the cdrom entry in sources.list you should be able to reput wlassistant from the CD using apt-get update apt-get install
[07:03] <darkkish_> genii:  i don't haave the cd
[07:03] <darkkish_> the cd is in WA and i'm in OR
[07:03] <genii> heh
[07:03] <darkkish_> and i don't have a CD burner
[07:04] <darkkish_> or a means to download it
[07:04] <Jucato> xenol: you're choice. both beryl and compiz are window managers
[07:04] <genii> darkkish_ It may be still in the cache
[07:04] <genii> darkkish_ Try sudo updatedb && locate wlassistan|grep deb
[07:04] <Jucato> darkkish_: are the other computers Linux machines? if yes, check the contents of /etc/resolv.conf if they're using the same nameservers/DNS
[07:04] <darkkish_> fix it fix it
[07:05] <darkkish_> Jucato: no.
[07:05] <darkkish_> Jucato: all XP
[07:05] <genii> eg: /var/apt/cache
[07:05] <soulchild> can someone tell me how to deactivate the animation when i click on a file, and how to activate double click... while genii is busy :D
[07:05] <Jucato> darkkish_: hm.. I forgot how to check the DNS in XP, but it's in one of those Properties tabs...
[07:06] <Jucato> soulchild: the animation: Alt+F2, "kcontrol" -> Appearance & Themes -> Launch Feedback
[07:06] <soulchild> jucato: right click on the network connection and choose TCP/IP and than properties
[07:06] <darkkish_> Jucato: I have xp dual boot, wifi works fine on XP
[07:06] <soulchild> jucato: thanks
[07:06] <Jucato> soulchild: double click: System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Mouse (or KControl -> Peripherals -> Mouse)
[07:06] <Jucato> darkkish_: ok...
[07:07] <darkkish_> hmm
[07:07] <darkkish_> the internet is kindof workign
[07:07] <darkkish_> really slowly
[07:07] <dettoaltrimenti_> !feisty
[07:07] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[07:07] <darkkish_> maybe wlan found a dns or something?
[07:08] <darkkish_> veryyyyy slowly
[07:08] <genii> soulchild The basic problem you are having seems to be that the computer thinks there is a second hard drive. If there are no other hard drives in your computer then either the single hard drive has incorrect master/slave settings or perhaps the CDrom drive is attempted to be mounted and may conceivably be hdb instead of usual spot of hdc
[07:08] <darkkish_> feisty fawn?
[07:08] <darkkish_> lolz
[07:08] <soulchild> genii: so what can i do now ?
[07:08] <leafw> darkkish_ : there are issues with some routers with ipv6. You may want to disactivate ipv6 support.
[07:09] <genii> soulchild For me to know if your cdrom is hdb please pastebin the file /etc/fstab
[07:09] <darkkish_> leafw: its a qwest (actiontec) router that isn't mine and i don't really have acess to change settings
[07:09] <soulchild> genii: there is no hdb
[07:10] <soulchild> genii: ahh wait
[07:10] <genii> soulchild Is there a hdc in the fstab file then?
[07:10] <soulchild> genii:dev/hdb        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[07:10] <soulchild> genii: no no hdc
[07:11] <Jucato> have you pastebin'd your sources.list?
[07:11] <darkkish_> i give up guys
[07:11] <darkkish_> this is rediculous
[07:11] <genii> soulchild Very well then, it is your CDrom drive that is giving grief. Please ensure no cdrom is in the drive when booting
[07:12] <ubuntu> hi, i'm trying to install feisty but right after the keyboard layout selection screen, when i click continue X crash and the screen turns green... any idea?
[07:12] <soulchild> genii: there is no cd inserted
[07:12] <Jucato> ubuntu: feisty questions in #ubuntu+1 thankies! )
[07:12] <Jucato> :)
[07:12] <darkkish_> i might just have to switch to windows until i get home and format + install xubuntu
[07:12] <xenol> jucato  if i have to downlaod gnome-compiz-manager
[07:12] <chris__> hi can someone give me a guide to install xgl on kubuntu with nvidia card
[07:12] <xenol> i shall type kde-compiz-manager?
[07:13] <linopil> !xgl
[07:13] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:13] <genii> soulchild Alternately you may wish to put in a cdrom which is not a bootable type
[07:13] <Jucato> xenol: no. Compiz is very gnome oriented, from what I've heard. again, #ubuntu-xgl. there are guides in the /topic of that channel
[07:13] <stdin> I have found that
[07:13] <stdin> beryl works well wit KDE
[07:13] <genii> soulchild A cd which contains data but does not boot the computer. A blank CD will make it hang more
[07:14] <soulchild> genii: i didn't understand, u want me to insert a data cd while booting ?
[07:14] <ubuntu> another question, i have a cd with ubuntu edgy... can i install it and the install kde to get kubuntu? is it going to be the same?
[07:14] <darkkish_> later people
[07:14] <genii> soulchild Yes. But not one which a blank CD and not one which will boot the computer to the CD
[07:14] <soulchild> genii: okay done
[07:14] <stdin> ubuntu: you just install kubuntu-desktop and will will have both kde and gnome
[07:15] <soulchild> genii: now reboot ?
[07:15] <genii> soulchild Yes please and then report if same problem persists
[07:15] <ubuntu> stdin: so ubuntu and kubuntu are exactly the same but one with kde and the other with gnome?
[07:15] <soulchild> okay
[07:15] <Jucato> ubuntu: exactly
[07:15] <ubuntu> thanks!
[07:16] <Jucato> ubuntu: they have the same base set of packages. they differ only in the default desktop environment and set of apps
[07:17] <knapp> What is the proper way to lock version using aptitude? I tried "sudo aptitude keep <program>" but that didn't work.
[07:17] <linopil> when can I use xserver-xgl ?
[07:17] <genii> darkkish_ Did locate wlassistant|grep deb       produce no result of some file in /var/apt/cache    ?
[07:17] <stdin> knapp: sudo aptitude hold [package] 
[07:18] <genii> Damn he left again
[07:19] <knapp> ty stdin
[07:19] <stdin> :)
[07:19] <knapp> uh oh, dont think that worked
[07:19] <knapp> still showing as upgradeable
[07:20] <stdin> what do you get when you try and upgrade tho?
[07:20] <knapp> ooohhhh
[07:20] <knapp> :)
[07:20] <knapp> ok, thanks!
[07:20] <knapp> says it's being kept back
[07:20] <stdin> :D
[07:21] <genii> OK time for other puzzler this week: Anyone know how to preseed or execute (after a total auto netboot install) something like chroot /target then have it soft HUP (with sshd )to avoid tftpboot then perhaps do some chores like compile  something etc?
[07:21] <knapp> I wish the update notifier would go away though...
[07:21] <genii> headless stations btw
[07:22] <soulchild> genii: same problem, i think it has somethink to do with my wlan card
[07:22] <Jucato> stdin: would you happen to know the apt-get counterpart of aptitude hold?
[07:22] <linopil> linopil> E: Couldn't find package beryl
 sudo apt-get install bery
[07:22] <stdin> Jucato: don't think there is one
[07:22] <Jucato> :O
[07:23] <genii> soulchild :( I am out of immediate ideas
[07:23] <soulchild> genii: cause there is a LED  and i have a Fn+F2 button to activate it, and this key combination is directly connected to the hardware(that means works always)
[07:24] <soulchild> genii: i looked in boot log and the process that need 1 minute is "Starting kernel event manager... "
[07:24] <genii> hmm interesting
[07:26] <soulchild> genii: dmsg: the error is gone i mean the hdb error#
[07:26] <genii> soulchild It seems this happens for others as well
[07:26] <soulchild> genii: really ?
[07:27] <genii> soulchild eg: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2548162
[07:27] <BrianSteffens> hm
[07:27] <BrianSteffens> anyone good with video drivers? =(
[07:28] <soulchild> genii: i recognized, that if i deavtive my wlan adapter before upuntu boots, it boots properly ...
[07:28] <genii> BrianSteffens I struggled with matthew the other day and his itinerant ATI card
[07:28] <BrianSteffens> =/
[07:29] <BrianSteffens> itinerant?
[07:29] <genii> read: problemmatic
[07:29] <BrianSteffens> okee
[07:29] <BrianSteffens> mine works and all but.. apps seem like they're emulated or something lol
[07:30] <genii> soulchild Well I would recommend then to deactivate it if it still works properly if you activate it afterwards
[07:30] <soulchild> okay i ll tr<
[07:30] <soulchild> genii: thanks for caring...
[07:30] <BrianSteffens> resizing konqueror is like.. having kubuntu, running VMware through wine for a winxp, then running vmware on THAT for another kubuntu, then running a java app lmao
[07:30] <genii> soulchild Thanks
[07:31] <genii> bleh sounds ugly
[07:31] <linopil> rpm2deb utility's anem  ?
[07:31] <genii> BrianSteffens how much system ram and how much video ram please? And is your video ram shared system ram
[07:31] <BrianSteffens> genii: your apps resize perfectly?
[07:32] <stdin> linopil: alien
[07:32] <linopil> tyvm stdin
[07:32] <stdin> np linopil
[07:32] <BrianSteffens> genii: AMD Athlon 64 3800+ (or so), ATI X1300 [512 mb vidram] , 2 GB DDR2 ram
[07:33] <genii> BrianSteffens Right now I am on an Edgy box with i810 video, no issues. But my home box with 8500DV was nasty to work right
[07:33] <BrianSteffens> =/
[07:33] <genii> BrianSteffens so you did the fglrx install?
[07:34] <BrianSteffens> genii: yep. and also tried the drivers from ati.com. tried both of these in kubuntu dapper and edgy, both 32 and 64 bit versions. dapper definitely works better than edgy but it's still unacceptable
[07:35] <soulchild> genii: hey
[07:35] <soulchild> genii:it s the AC adapter
[07:35] <soulchild> genii:i unplgged it anddid nothing and kubuntu was fast as i want it to be
[07:35] <stdin> cool, I got beryl on feisty :D
[07:35] <genii> soulchild On the link I gave you earlier they mentioned that seemed to be the problem, yes
[07:35] <d3413r> :-)
[07:35] <d3413r> hi genii hi stdin
[07:35] <d3413r> :-)
[07:36] <stdin> hey d3413r
[07:36] <soulchild> genii: i google for a solution
[07:36] <genii> heyas d34134r
[07:36] <genii> soulchild Self-help is very empowering  :)
[07:36] <Captain_Haddock> genii: apologies for going AWOL earlier.. I was trying to install the nvidia driver and the system hung :/
[07:37] <genii> Captain_Haddock no worries
[07:37] <genii> BrianSteffen Did you check all your GL libraries?
[07:38] <genii> !mesa
[07:38] <d3413r> i want Beryl too
[07:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mesa - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:38] <d3413r> :(
[07:38] <d3413r> !beryl
[07:38] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[07:38] <BrianSteffens> genii: actual opengl libs? or you mean XGL/AIGXL?
[07:38] <stdin> d3413r: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/InstallingBeryl
[07:39] <d3413r> wayne...
[07:39] <[GuS] > hi!
[07:39] <linopil> cant sudo apt-get install beryl . repos problem ?
[07:39] <genii> BrianSteffen The actual GL libs. I cannot find atm the correct package names
[07:39] <stdin> li
[07:39] <stdin> opps
[07:39] <stdin> linopil: what repos do you have
[07:39] <BrianSteffens> genii: ok i'll look into it
[07:43] <alwa> hallo
[07:43] <stdin> !hi
[07:43] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[07:44] <soulchild> genii: i have no idea what to do :(
[07:44] <wilman> anyone knows a program to open powertabs
[07:44] <wilman> !powertab
[07:44] <cloakable> powertabs?
[07:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about powertab - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:44] <wilman> !powertabs
[07:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about powertabs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:45] <wilman> some sort of music file
[07:45] <genii> soulchild The problem seems to be someplace in the power monitoring. Do you intend to run your laptop from the wall plug for the most part?
[07:45] <stdin> never hared of powertabs
[07:45] <soulchild> genii:yes
[07:46] <genii> soulchild OK then give me a minute
[07:46] <soulchild> genii: sure, damn u are the best, thanks dude
[07:46] <alwa> can someone help me ... i have some problem with acerhk
[07:47] <_Shade_> hi there
[07:47] <_Shade_> why doesn't kubuntu automounts my cds?
[07:47] <d3413r> well
[07:47] <d3413r> i need some help
[07:48] <d3413r> ati & linux
[07:48] <d3413r> are my keywords^^
[07:48] <d3413r> need help installin the ATi Drivers
[07:49] <d3413r> hey
[07:49] <d3413r> genii,
[07:49] <genii> soulchild OK, in the file : /etc/default/acpid   please change the line reading MODULES="all"      to: MODULES="ac"
[07:49] <d3413r> could u help me
[07:49] <stdin> d3413r: you looked here? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[07:49] <d3413r> with ATi ?
[07:49] <d3413r> thx stdin
[07:49] <d3413r> ;)
[07:49] <soulchild> genii: woow... thanks
[07:49] <genii> d3413r  Heh smartass
[07:49] <d3413r> ^^
[07:50] <stdin> :P
[07:50] <genii> d3413r  What ati issue are you experiencing today? ;)
[07:51] <d3413r> ah first i needa install ATi drivers
[07:51] <d3413r> ^^
[07:51] <d3413r> DAMN
[07:51] <d3413r> the tutorial is for
[07:51] <d3413r> 8.31.5
[07:51] <genii> d3413r  stdin's link should get you started then
[07:51] <d3413r> but 8.32.5 is actual version
[07:51] <d3413r> :<
[07:51] <d3413r> version differs
[07:51] <d3413r> :(
[07:52] <d3413r> @ genii + stdin
[07:52] <d3413r> tutorial is for 8.31.5 --> but driver version is 8.32.5
[07:52] <genii> lemme look and see if it matters
[07:53] <stdin> don't think it makes a difference
[07:53] <genii> bear with me, my connection is *SLOW* as I am running apt-mirror
[07:55] <genii> After seeing the page and the instructions I believe it does not matter either, the method is valid
[07:56] <genii> alwa What is acerhk ?
[07:58] <genii> acer website based inn Hong Kong?
[07:58] <genii> nvm found what it is now
[07:59] <larson9999> linux rocks!
[07:59] <cloakable> Yup
[08:02] <genii> !wlan-button
[08:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wlan-button - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:02] <genii> hmm
[08:04] <genii> alwa This *may* help: http://wlan-button.sourceforge.net/
[08:06] <tomaczec> hi
[08:06] <tomaczec> !de
[08:06] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:06] <linopil>  how to -- Add beryl to your session startup ? in kde?
[08:06] <alwa> genii: thx
[08:07] <genii> alwa np
[08:07] <soulchild> genii: didn't work, anyway, thank you very much for your help
[08:07] <genii> soulchild Then change it to "none"
[08:08] <genii> soulchild Within the file you can of course see the other valid options as well
[08:09] <mips> hi
[08:10] <steveire> lo
[08:12] <genii> bleh 8 gigs down 23 to go
[08:12] <mips> what you dling ?
[08:13] <genii> mips the entire dapper rpository to mirror locally
[08:13] <genii> mips I did Edgy a few days ago
[08:14] <mips> genii, brave soul you are. What type of link do you have ?
[08:14] <genii> mips OC3
[08:14] <mips> genii, to yourself ?
[08:14] <genii> but at the other end they have something slower
[08:14] <mips> ok
[08:15] <genii> mips We have about 40 computers sharing the OC3 but maybe 12 on at any given time
[08:15] <mips> genii, those repos would be nice on DVD for dial-up users etc. Just need an additional disk with all the non-free stuff
[08:16] <genii> hmm interesting
[08:16] <genii> we have a lot of those actually (dialup users)
[08:16] <mips> genii, even as a broadband user i would not mind dvds like debian
[08:17] <mips> just need a disc with java, flash, w32codecs dvd skype google earth etc
[08:17] <genii> mips Well if you are near Toronto walk on in to the office and I'll burn you whatever :)
[08:18] <mips> genii, lol. it would be a long walk & swim from south africa. i have a friend that lives in toronto though
[08:19] <genii> mips Well send him in if you like then
[08:19] <genii> LOL
[08:19] <genii> mips 600 Bay Street, suite 406
[08:20] <mips> genii, thx for the offer but i havent used kubuntu in two weeks now
[08:20] <genii> mips Which os if i may ask then?
[08:22] <mips> genii, Sabayon 64bit on my desktop and Sidux (Debian Sid stable) on my lappy. Lappy boots up to the desktop in 39sec, faster than my ex kubuntu desktop
[08:22] <genii> (I have also all of regular Debian for instance)
[08:22] <mips> genii, debian is nice. just needs a bit of polish to make it look nice on the eyes after an install
[08:23] <genii> mips Well after all *buntu is based on it
[08:23] <genii> I am partial to the curlicue
[08:24] <BrianSteffens> can anyone tell me if i can update opengl?
[08:24] <mips> genii, true. Have you tried Sid or sidux ?
[08:26] <genii> mips I had problems getting all the iso for Sid so not yet :) I am running 3.1r3 (I believe correct distro #)
[08:26] <genii> perhaps 3.0
[08:26] <steveire> Anyone here have a hard-drive mp3 player? iPod/creative/philips/whatever? I'm thinking of getting one, but I'd prefer one which simply appears as sda1 or whatever on bot windows and ubuntu.
[08:27] <genii> BrianSteffens pls pastebin   sudo apt-cache search gl|grep lib  for me to examine if you care :)
[08:27] <BrianSteffens> hehe ok
[08:27] <mips> genii, maybe go to the sidux website. It basically requires the etch netinstall cd, followed by a distr upgrade to sid followed by a sidux script & repos
[08:28] <genii> hmm
[08:28] <genii> Unfortunately not today as our connection is congested
[08:29] <mips> k, no rush
[08:29] <BrianSteffens> genii: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38543/
[08:30] <genii> BrianSteffens thx brb
[08:30] <wilman> where does wine install its files?
[08:31] <cloakable> wilman: The windows programs you install?
[08:31] <wilman> yes
[08:32] <cloakable> wilman: ~/.wine
[08:32] <wilman> oo ok :)
[08:32] <wilman> thx
[08:32] <cloakable> Go there :)
[08:32] <genii> BrianSteffens perhaps try sudo apt-get install libglu1-mesa
[08:32] <tobre> Hi all!
[08:33] <tobre> I have a little problem, Kaffeine player does'nt start at all.
[08:34] <tobre> Any suggestions?
[08:34] <aseigo> tobre: try starting it from a konsole window and see what gets printed to the konsole
[08:34] <tobre> I tried. Nothing.
[08:35] <genii> tobre Perhaps you have accidentally minimized it? You can find out if it's running hidden with alt-tab to cycle thru apps
[08:35] <BrianSteffens> genii: libglu1-mesa is already the newest version.
[08:35] <tobre> No
[08:36] <tobre> This Kaffeine icon is just jumping but it doesn't start.
[08:36] <tobre> And it's not minimazed.
[08:37] <genii> BrianSteffens perhaps sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dev      then
[08:38] <tobre> I tried rebooting - nothing. Then I uninstalled it and again installed - nothing.
[08:38] <genii> tobre What is the last thing it successfully played?
[08:39] <tobre> A .avi movie.
[08:39] <tobre> Yesterday
[08:39] <genii> hmm
[08:39] <tobre> But today it's not working.
[08:40] <BrianSteffens> tobre: do you have a dvd or vcd in the drive?
[08:40] <tobre> Noup
[08:41] <BrianSteffens> tobre: are you calling kaffeine by itself or trying to load a file at the same time?
[08:41] <tobre> A have tried both variants.
[08:41] <tobre> Still nothing
[08:41] <BrianSteffens> tobre: do you have win32codecs or libdvdcss2 installed?
[08:42] <tobre> Yes.
[08:42] <BrianSteffens> did it work before installing those?
[08:43] <tobre> It worked before and after.
[08:43] <genii> tobre delete the kaffeine config folder from your home directory. Usually ~/.kde/share/config/kaffeinerc and ~/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine
[08:44] <BrianSteffens> O_O.. and there's nothing that changed on your system between it working and not working to your knowledge?
[08:44] <raytray25> How do I add things to the applet "System Menu"?
[08:44] <javanree> Hello all
[08:45] <tobre> Hmm, I don't remember. I think I didn't add or remove anything.
[08:45] <javanree> Short Q : Kopete doesn't seem to save webcam settings properly (whiteness in particular is a big problem, since it makes images go grainy) Edgy here, Logitech Quickcam
[08:46] <genii> tobre since unintall/reinstall failed torectify the issue, it must be using some faulty rc file ... eg: the defaults it's grabbing to use from your prefs in home dir etc
[08:46] <tobre> Ok
[08:46] <tobre> But what can I do?
[08:47] <genii> tobre find the files I mentioned above and just delete them. Then restart kaffeine and it will create new default ones
[08:47] <stdin> maybe the bot knows
[08:48] <stdin> !webcam | javanree
[08:48] <ubotu> javanree: webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[08:48] <javanree> stdin it "works" and kdetv/xawtv work fine, its purely kopete that is giving me a headache
[08:49] <vlad_ri> hello, evrybody!
[08:49] <vlad_ri> can someone help me?
[08:49] <javanree> vlad_ri whats wrong
[08:49] <vlad_ri> i'm new to Linux..
[08:49] <stdin> javanree: have you adjusted the settings in kopete for the webcam?
[08:50] <tobre> I can't find those files in my home directory.
[08:50] <javanree> I did, but as soon as I leave the settings tab they get reset
[08:50] <vlad_ri> so, i have a partition wich is mounted to the root file system
[08:50] <genii> vlad_ri Are you having a specific problem which can be described?
[08:50] <javanree> Tried deleting kopeterc but no luck
[08:50] <tobre> There isn't anything about kaffeine.
[08:50] <vlad_ri> but i'd like to link a folder to another folder , how can i do this?
[08:51] <javanree> vlad_ri you need the "ln" command from the console... open up konsole and type "man ln" for all the details on the ln command
[08:51] <genii> tobre in Konsole please type: sudo updatedb && locate kaffeine|grep home       and then pastebin for me
[08:51] <vlad_ri> thanks a lot :)
[08:51] <javanree> In short go to the directory where you want the link to appear
[08:52] <javanree> And do "ln -s linkname /where/you/want/to/link/to"
[08:52] <javanree> I'm sure there's a way to do it from konqueror as well but Im a console man
[08:52] <stdin> vlad_ri: this page has some help on console commands: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[08:53] <stdin> javanree: the ln command is the wrong way round
[08:53] <javanree> Did I mess up again? :(
[08:53] <vlad_ri> it doesn't matter to me how i will do it, just want it to work :) i'll try the ln command
[08:54] <karmikaze> if i want my ipod to mount with permission so i can write to it, what do i need to change in the fstab
[08:54] <stdin> it's 'ln -s /where/you/want/to/link/to linkname"
[08:54] <stdin> karmikaze: use pmount
[08:54] <javanree> stdin your right...
[08:54] <stdin> javanree: yes, i know :p
[08:54] <Pirate-king> anybody know if a canon camera will interface with kubuntu
[08:54] <karmikaze> ok stdin
[08:54] <genii> stdin heh
[08:55] <tobre> /home/tobre/.kde/share/config/kaffeinerc
[08:55] <tobre> /home/tobre/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine
[08:55] <tobre> /home/tobre/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/wizard_stamp_v0.7.1
[08:55] <genii> Pirate-king The simplest way of course would be to plug it in and see if something happens
[08:55] <Pirate-king> ok
[08:55] <tobre> /home/tobre/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/playlists
[08:55] <tobre> /home/tobre/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/playlists/Playlist1.kaffeine
[08:55] <tobre> /home/tobre/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/playlists/NEW.kaffeine
[08:55] <tobre> /home/tobre/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/playlists/UUS.kaffeine
[08:55] <tobre> /home/tobre/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/xine-config
[08:55] <tobre> /home/tobre/Desktop/kaffeine.desktop
[08:55] <tobre> Here it is.
[08:55] <javanree> Pirate-king which canon?
[08:55] <Pirate-king> looking for an alternative to windows
[08:55] <genii> ! pastebin | tobre
[08:55] <ubotu> tobre: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:55] <Pirate-king> a85
[08:56] <javanree> Pirate-King I can confirm Canon A40, A5zoom and A70
[08:56] <Pirate-king> cool thanks
[08:56] <tobre> Sorry.
[08:56] <tobre> I didn't know.
[08:56] <genii> tobre My fault I should not have assumed you knew about how to use pastebin
[08:57] <genii> tobre At any rate you do not need now to pastebin it LOL
[08:57] <tobre> Yeah.:P
[08:58] <tobre> But what next?
[08:58] <jontec> I used this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting to try to fix my sound... and now kmix isn't even detecting my sound card!!! HELP!
[08:59] <genii> tobre in Konsole type:   sudo rm -R /home/tobre/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/* && rm /home/tobre/Desktop/kaffeine*
[08:59] <vlad_ri> thanks t all one more time, the ln command worked like magic :)
[08:59] <jontec> edgy, amd64, laptop (btw)
[08:59] <genii> tobre Then try to start kaffeine again
[08:59] <tobre> OK
[09:01] <genii> tobre I forget another you need to remove: type:  sudo rm /home/tobre/.kde/share/config/kaffeinerc
[09:01] <jontec> Oh AND my computer won't go faster than 800Mhz (I have a 2.0GHz processor).... I am trying to use the rails webserver and it's being very sluggish
[09:03] <tobre> Still nothing :(
[09:03] <genii> tobre did you delete the file i forgot the firt time?
[09:03] <tobre> Yes
[09:04] <genii> tobre OK so then: sudo apt-get remove kaffeine && apt-get install kaffeine               to refresh the install
[09:04] <tobre> Ok, I'll try
[09:07] <tobre> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[09:07] <tobre> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[09:07] <tobre> Hmm.
[09:07] <stdin> tobre: sudo
[09:07] <tobre> Yes.
[09:07] <tobre> I put it.
[09:07] <genii> tobre did you remember the word sudo before the apt-get   command?
[09:07] <tobre> Yes.
[09:08] <genii> tobre OK in 2 steps then
[09:08] <genii> tobre OK so then: sudo apt-get remove kaffeine
[09:08] <genii> then after sudo apt-get install kaffeine
[09:08] <tobre> OK. DOne
[09:09] <genii> tobre OK try to run it again then
[09:09] <tobre> But kaffeine won't start. :S
[09:09] <genii> you may need to exit X, restart the server then go back in
[09:09] <karmikaze> hrmm
[09:09] <stdin> anyone seen the new frozen-bubble (v2.1.0)?
[09:10] <genii> to refresh desktop settings etc
[09:10] <tobre> OK, I'll try.
[09:10] <karmikaze> should i upgrade my nvidia glx and restricted modules...
[09:10] <tobre> I'll be back soon.
[09:10] <karmikaze> i dont wanna break beryl its all working so nicely finally
[09:10] <matthew_> genii, or killall kaffeine
[09:10] <genii> matthew_ As it's not starting yet there's not much to kill :)
[09:11] <tobre> Hmm.
[09:11] <tobre> Nothing.
[09:11] <matthew_> genii, but it might have not been terminated properly the last time (If I'm way off, then just kill me, cause I walked right into this conversation w/ no idea...lol)
[09:12] <genii> tobre Pls do    sudo ps ax|grep kaff
[09:12] <genii> tobre If you see an entry for kaffeine then kill it
[09:12] <tobre> Yes there is
[09:12] <tobre> kaffeine session
[09:13] <tobre> How can I kill it?
[09:13] <genii> tobre What is the number on far left?
[09:13] <tobre> 18737 ?        S      0:00 kaffeine -session 106d6f6f6e000116678266600000050260056_1166904615_824982
[09:13] <tobre> 18897 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep kaff
[09:13] <BrianSteffens> can anyone please tell me if there is a setting to force apps to repaint their client areas faster than the default?
[09:14] <genii> tobre sudo kill -9 18737
[09:15] <tobre> All right!
[09:15] <genii> tobre It goes now ?
[09:15] <tobre> :D
[09:15] <tobre> Yes
[09:15] <genii> tobre Good
[09:15] <tobre> :D
[09:15] <tobre> Thanks guys.
[09:15] <tobre> :D
[09:15] <matthew_> genii, heh heh, stole your kill...
[09:16] <genii> matthew_ np all for a good cause :)
[09:17] <jerp> ok, so I go 'System Settings / Display / Administrator Mode and hit my Graphics Card entry and find that my setting is twice my cards capability (256 instead of 128)  Grayed out and apparently unchangeable unless someone knows a trick.
[09:17] <genii> BrianSteffens Is your system generally slow or just the video?
[09:19] <BrianSteffens> genii: just the video
[09:19] <marc_> Hello, can someone help me? :().I got a fresh kubuntu installation  (6.10).Everytime I startup adept_installer and searchgin for "adobe", enabling "proprietary software" adept_installerr crashes(?)/disappears instantly..?!?!
[09:20] <BrianSteffens> genii: going off the ati binary install tutorial's tests to make sure it's configured properly it seems to be perfect
[09:20] <jerp> marc, you know about apt-get commands for installing?
[09:21] <jerp> enter ina  terminal: sudo apt-get install <blah, blah>
[09:21] <BrianSteffens> genii: i don't know how the x/kde api works but based on the win32 api it looks as if programs are redrawing their client areas on a 500 ms WM_TIMER call instead of the WM_PAINT message. or sometimes at the very end of a WM_RESIZE
[09:21] <marc_> well, I could figure it out ... but I am interested why this strange behaviour occurs?!
[09:21] <genii> My first hunch is if overall slowing that a bunch of things were accidentally minimized but show no obvious taskbar etc.... with nothing obviously open except for xchat or whatever connects you here try alt-tab to try cycling thru apps and see if more are running than are apparent
[09:22] <genii> marc_ Try using Aptitude instead
[09:22] <jerp> marc, yes, but a fresh install one might want to "dist-upgrade" for safety sake and the matter might be cleared
[09:22] <marc_> Ok, then Ill try that jerp, but do you have any idea ... about the crashing of aptget-installer?
[09:22] <BrianSteffens> genii: nope nothing comes up in alt-tab. remember i've tried to get windows to resize smoothly on 32 and 64 bit kernels, dapper+edgy, kde+gnome..all combinations.. over the past week or so
[09:22] <ArrAKeeN> bye bye
[09:22] <marc_> ah ok ...
[09:22] <jerp> marc, I thought you said it was adept
[09:22] <Captain_Haddock> genii: aptitude is more stable?
[09:23] <jerp> apt-get is by a terminal
[09:23] <genii> Captain_Haddock Somethings that will choke Adept gives no issue to Aptitude
[09:23] <Captain_Haddock> jerp: ah, I thought it was another front end.
[09:24] <genii> Captain_Haddock I think he's pointing out that CLI is the surest way
[09:24] <genii> LOL
[09:24] <stdin> synaptic is the GUI I choose
[09:24] <Captain_Haddock> genii: ah :)
[09:24] <jerp> marc, opena  terminal and do both to verse yourself.... apt-get --help and aptitude --help
[09:24] <jerp> one at a time of course
[09:24] <marc_> jerp: ok, ill try that... thx
[09:24] <BrianSteffens> genii: the non-client areas of windows, as well as the desktop background.. basically anything controlled directly by x/kde displays perfectly. it's only the client areas
[09:25] <Captain_Haddock> genii: true, but TBH, I try to keep command line usage to a bare minimum.
[09:25] <genii> BrianSteffens It's a puzzler to which I am still thinking
[09:25] <marc_> afk
[09:26] <genii> BrianSteffens Do you have some non-standard theme which includes transparency of some sort?
[09:26] <jerp> I've got an entry for my video card that is set at twice my cards ram capability (256meg instead of 128meg)  Grayed out and apparently unchangeable unless someone knows a trick.
[09:27] <genii> jerp You can hardcode the amount of video ram in xorg.conf
[09:27] <BrianSteffens> genii: nope, i'm using all default and just checked settings and no transparency is enabled
[09:27] <jerp> genii, like with nano ?
[09:27] <genii> jerp Yes
[09:27] <jerp> I'll try that
[09:27] <BrianSteffens> jerp: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:27] <jerp> thanks for the direction
[09:28] <genii> np
[09:28] <jerp> thanks Brian
[09:29] <BrianSteffens> genii: under xorg.conf..Section "Device".. i see Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off" - could this have anything to do with it?
[09:29] <genii> BrianSteffens Which distro you running currently?
[09:29] <BrianSteffens> genii: right now Kubuntu Edgy
[09:29] <genii> Well you could change it and see. Some experimentation that can be reversed isn't bad
[09:30] <BrianSteffens> genii: fresh install as of 45 minutes ago. nothing but basic adept updates and the ati drivers
[09:30] <genii> BrianSteffens Because I noticed the result of apt-cache for gl libs you had had earlier in the pastebin included some Etch stuff
[09:30] <BrianSteffens> genii: what's etch?
[09:31] <genii> Different distro than Edgy
[09:31] <BrianSteffens> O_O
[09:31] <BrianSteffens> Edgy Etch? lol
[09:31] <genii> heh
[09:32] <genii> lemme think on it a bit and do some googling
[09:32] <BrianSteffens> ok thank you :D
[09:32] <BrianSteffens> i've been trying to google myself but not sure i'm wording it right
[09:33] <BrianSteffens> hm, do you know of an app that can record onscreen stuff so i could give you a better idea of what's happening?
[09:33] <jerp> genii, I've not hardcoded before;  what should I put in xorg.conf?
[09:34] <genii> jerp Give me a minute and I'll find an example for you
[09:34] <jerp> I was looking for '256' and was foing to replace it but it's not there
[09:34] <jerp> going
[09:35] <stev> hello....want to install ndiswrapper from Kubuntu edgy cd but there is no repo-entry in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:36] <genii> Look for a section similar to this:
[09:36] <genii> Section "Device"
[09:36] <genii>     #Identifier  "VESA Framebuffer"
[09:36] <genii>     #Driver      "vesa"
[09:36] <genii>     Identifier   "GeForce FX"
[09:36] <genii>     Driver       "nvidia"
[09:36] <genii>     #VideoRam    4096
[09:36] <genii> But for your specific layour of course
[09:36] <jerp> layour?
[09:37] <jerp> what's that?
[09:37] <lupine_85> stev: put the CD in the drive and run "apt-cdrom"
[09:37] <jerp> the VESA entry?
[09:37] <stev> ooh thx
[09:38] <BrianSteffens> i'll be right back
[09:38] <genii> jerp it does not neccesarily have to be vesa section in YOUR config. The important part to find is Section Device
[09:38] <genii> With video card
[09:38] <jerp> ok
[09:39] <Captain_Haddock> brb
[09:40] <genii> jerp then for VideoRam line put 131072 as the number and if there is a # at the beginning of the line remove it
[09:40] <genii> jerp If the VideoRam line does not exist create it
[09:43] <xenol> !restricted formats
[09:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:44] <genii> BrianSteffens Any joy?
[09:44] <BrianSteffens> genii: well it sure was entertaining :D
[09:44] <BrianSteffens> genii: got to the login screen and the monitor kept turning off and on hahaha
[09:44] <genii> heh
[09:45] <genii> I am seeing lots of reports on slow refresh with XGL
[09:45] <BrianSteffens> genii: i haven't installed xgl yet
[09:45] <jerp> genni, could you take a look?   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38554/
[09:45] <genii> BrianSteffens need to see pastebin brb
[09:45] <aleksanteri> hey how can i execute a binary file? .bin
[09:46] <BrianSteffens> sudo chmod +x /folder/file.bin
[09:46] <BrianSteffens> ./file.bin
[09:46] <aleksanteri> ty
[09:46] <BrianSteffens> (probably) haha
[09:46] <Captain_Haddock> hrm
[09:47] <aleksanteri> hmm :|
[09:47] <genii> jerp Put the VideoRam line in the first one
[09:47] <jerp> ok 4096?
[09:48] <ayeizajedi> evening all
[09:48] <genii> aleksanteri Is it an executable file or something like a disk image or bios file?
[09:48] <aleksanteri> ahh i c :D
[09:48] <ayeizajedi> !ati
[09:48] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:48] <aleksanteri> genii: application installer :P
[09:48] <genii> jerp No, you say you have 128Mb video ram yes?
[09:48] <genii> aleksanteri Then BrianSteffens Way is right
[09:48] <jerp> genii, nevermind, I saw your other post for 131072
[09:48] <Rashid> hey
[09:48] <sedat> is there a vnc server on kubuntu ?
[09:49] <Rashid> yup
[09:49] <Rashid> Kmenu > internet > desktop sharing
[09:49] <genii> !vnc | sedat
[09:49] <ubotu> sedat: VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[09:50] <Rashid> in my experience x11vnc was better than the kde one
[09:50] <sedat> I changed the question is there a remote desktop server on kubuntu ?
[09:50] <Rashid> you can install it with adept or aptitude/apt-get )command line)
[09:50] <genii> !rdp
[09:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rdp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:50] <Rashid> vnc IS remote desktop sharing
[09:51] <genii> There is also one which inter-operates with XP remote desktop sharing but i forget which name
[09:51] <Rashid> they're all vnc as far as im aware...any vnc server/client will work
[09:51] <Rashid> krfb thats the name
[09:51] <hagabaka> is there an easy way to back up files in etc that i edited, but not those from deb packages?
[09:52] <Rashid> hagabaka how do you mean?
[09:52] <hagabaka> i mean automatically back up configuration files that i manually edit
[09:52] <genii> BrianSteffens Hmm... which slot is your ATI ?
[09:52] <Rashid> why not backup ALL of /etc?
[09:52] <hagabaka> but not the whole /etc directory, as most of the files can just come from aptitude
[09:52] <Captain_Haddock> Couple of questions:
[09:53] <laon> hey buenas como hago para instalar firefox en kubuntu
[09:53] <hagabaka> it seems a waste of space and time since i can just reinstall them
[09:53] <BrianSteffens> genii: slot? as in motherboard? if so, AGP
[09:53] <genii> BrianSteffens Yes, AGP/PCI/PCI-E etc
[09:53] <dettoaltrimenti> if I want to make a link on my desktop to a program that isn't in my k-menu, how do I find the file I need to make a shortcut to?
[09:53] <Captain_Haddock> a) I seem to have openGL running ok on my nvidia card.. glxgears runs smoothly.. but in xorg.conf, my card is still listed as unknown.. (It's a 6200).
[09:54] <Captain_Haddock> Should I worry about this and try to get it properly detected?
[09:54] <Rashid> hagabaka, well for me /etc is 8.5MB which is negligible for the overwhelming majority of users...
[09:54] <Captain_Haddock> Or say fuggit and get on with my life?
[09:54] <BrianSteffens> genii: it's a PCI-E vidcard but my mobo only has agp so i had to kind of..jam it in there
[09:54] <Rashid> just use rsync to backup ALL of /etc to a directory somewhere
[09:54] <Rashid> try rsync -av /etc /home/hagabaka/backup/etc
[09:54] <matthew_> BrianSteffens, are you f****** kidding?
[09:54] <Rashid> does that help?
[09:54] <BrianSteffens> hahaha
[09:54] <BrianSteffens> i kid i kid
[09:54] <matthew_> roflmao
[09:54] <genii> BrianSteffens Perhaps to same section as jerp add
[09:54] <genii>        Driver      "fglrx"
[09:54] <genii>        Option      "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[09:55] <genii>        Option      "KernelModuleParm" "agplock=0"
[09:55] <hagabaka> ok, thanks
[09:55] <genii> Driver line included for reference point
[09:55] <hagabaka> i use rdiff-backup
[09:55] <Captain_Haddock> b) My xorg.conf is littered with a host of wacom input device entries.. and I don't have one .. nor have I at any point in my life..
[09:55] <Rashid> ok thats fine if it works for you...i prefer rsync
[09:55] <Rashid> do you mean rdiff-backup with Keep?
[09:56] <genii> Captain_Haddock Yeah they can all be commented out
[09:56] <hagabaka> i was using it, but the 3.0 version that kubuntu comes with doesn't cover the full functionality; no support for excluding files. so i'm just using a cron job with rdiff-backup now
[09:56] <Captain_Haddock> genii: cheers :) Any ideas about my nvidia card?
[09:57] <genii> Captain_Haddock LOL No lemme struggle a bit with Brian
[09:57] <jerp> yeah baby!
[09:57] <Rashid> ah ok thats fair...i just use rsync in a shell script which basically does same job...fair
[09:57] <Captain_Haddock> genii: hehe. OK :P
[09:57] <BrianSteffens> genii: off to restart and test :D
[09:57] <genii> BrianSteffens OK
[09:57] <jerp> got the full width now!   acer al2223 @ 1600x1050
[09:58] <Rashid> which do people find better for suport, kubuntu-users mailing list or this channel? (or forums?)
[09:58] <genii> jerp Cool :)
[09:58] <Captain_Haddock> fora suck.. IRC, MLs +++
[09:58] <Captain_Haddock> in general :P
[09:58] <Rashid> lol hardcore :P
[09:58] <jerp> it's Christmas time at my place with my new monitor, I feel the spirit at $299
[09:59] <Captain_Haddock> jerp: that's my next project.. Fixing resolution :|
[09:59] <Rashid> only ting i dislike about mailing lists is how uncontrollable they are :| i have like 1000 unread mails from kubuntu-users mailing list in my gmail inbox...never gonna read them lol
[09:59] <Captain_Haddock> and then... time for some XGL fun ;)
[09:59] <Rashid> you dont need XGL in edgy...built in aiglx ;)
[09:59] <Captain_Haddock> Rashid: yeah, high frequency can be teh suck :P
[10:00] <Rashid> lol
[10:00] <Captain_Haddock> Rashid: oh really? Cool.
[10:00] <Captain_Haddock> <--- is pretty new to all this :)
[10:00] <jerp> my old samsung had 350-1 contrast this has 800-1
[10:00] <Rashid> lol :)
[10:00] <BrianSteffens> genii: looks like a bit of good news. i'd say that increased performance by about 10-15%
[10:00] <genii> BrianSteffens Good
[10:01] <genii> BrianSteffens For an experiment if you like :)
[10:01] <BrianSteffens> genii i love experiments :D
[10:01] <jerp> hate to run but I'm gonna see what Superman DVD looks like.
[10:01] <Rashid> lol enjoy
[10:01] <jerp> bbl, thanks for your help guys
[10:02] <genii> BrianSteffens Some convo here has me thinking about Edgy and GL etc
[10:02] <Captain_Haddock> nvidia: tsk tsk :S
[10:02] <genii> BrianSteffens So maybe just for kicks:   apt-get remove xgl             apt-get install aiglx
[10:03] <Rashid> noo
[10:03] <genii> Maybe apt-cache search first for the exact packagenames
[10:03] <Rashid> genii: you dont install aiglx
[10:03] <Rashid> genii: aiglx is a module/component that comes built into xorg from now on...you enable compisiting by editting your xorg.conf
[10:03] <Rashid> ill post the the bit you add if you need?
[10:03] <genii> Rashid Hmm... thx
[10:03] <BrianSteffens> i didn't even have xgl :P
[10:04] <Rashid> in edgy you dont need to install xgl anymore...you just install all the bits and pieces of beryl (compositing window manager) and enable aiglx in xorg.conf then thas that :D
[10:04] <genii> BrianSteffens So OK, pls pastebin your xorg.conf and I'll scrutinize it
[10:04] <Captain_Haddock> Rashid: is there a guide for n00bs about this?
[10:05] <Rashid> yup just search the ubuntuforums.org for "beryl nvidia" ;)
[10:05] <genii> Rashid is beryl OK for ATI tho??
[10:05] <Captain_Haddock> excelente
[10:05] <Rashid> yup
[10:05] <Captain_Haddock> Is there a way to block comment in the xorg.conf files?
[10:06] <Rashid> how do you mean block comment? :S
[10:06] <BrianSteffens> # ?
[10:06] <genii> like /*     8?   equiv?
[10:06] <Captain_Haddock> yes
[10:06] <Rashid> #
[10:06] <Captain_Haddock> like /*  ...   */
[10:06] <Captain_Haddock> that works?
[10:06] <Rashid> yup #
[10:06] <BrianSteffens> oh
[10:06] <Rashid> has >> #
[10:06] <BrianSteffens> block commenting
[10:06] <Rashid> hash*
[10:06] <BrianSteffens> genii: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38561/
[10:06] <Rashid> if you start lines with # it comments it out
[10:06] <BrianSteffens> i think he wants c-style block commenting
[10:06] <genii> BrianSteffens OK brb
[10:06] <Captain_Haddock> Rashid: there are a lot of lines here :|
[10:07] <everble> whats up peeps
[10:07] <Captain_Haddock> BrianSteffens: I do I do.
[10:07] <Rashid> yeah you dont need to read them
[10:07] <everble> hey i need help
[10:07] <Rashid> one sec
[10:07] <Rashid> everble shoot
[10:07] <BrianSteffens> captain_haddock just do # down arrow left arrow over and over haha
[10:07] <Captain_Haddock> BrianSteffens: meeeep :P
[10:08] <genii> Heh
[10:08] <Rashid> for Beryl on Kubuntu Edgy read here http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/BerylOnEdgy
[10:08] <everble> how do i make a wifi connections automatically at startup?  For some reasons wifi radar doesnt work and something else to go into start programs to make wireless assistant bootup.
[10:08] <genii> I found a booboo in your xorg
[10:08] <Rashid> thats a very easy to follow guide for noobs :)
[10:08] <Captain_Haddock> Rashid: thanks man
[10:08] <genii> You are using vesa not fglrx driver
[10:08] <Rashid> no problem
[10:09] <genii> BrianSteffens You are using vesa not fglrx driver
[10:10] <everble> how to make my wifi connections automatically during startup? I am using kubuntu 6.10
[10:10] <genii> BrianSteffens The section above where you put fglrx        where it says vesa      is where you need to put "fglrx"   Also the other stuff I asked you to add
[10:11] <genii> BrianSteffens The second section is a subset ... the first one is where the driver needs to be
[10:11] <BrianSteffens> genii: *smacks head* i must've read the tutorial wrong, it said the first one would become the fallback
[10:11] <Rashid> everble: i dont understand your question...what do you want to do?
[10:12] <Rashid> everble: whats the problem?
[10:12] <BrianSteffens> genii: should i swap the values of the Identifier variables?
[10:12] <genii> lemme dblcheck
[10:12] <Captain_Haddock> BrianSteffens: I think I'll leave Beryl for later :P
[10:12] <everble> i want my laptop to automatically login to wireless router instead of me signing on to wireless assistance
[10:12] <Captain_Haddock> er
[10:12] <Captain_Haddock> s/ BrianSteffens / Rashid ;)
[10:12] <BrianSteffens> Captain_Haddock: O_O haha
[10:12] <everble> i want to automatically signon at startup.
[10:12] <genii> No just keep the identifiers as they are
[10:13] <Rashid> huh capn?
[10:13] <everble> wifi rader isnt working for me
[10:13] <genii> driver name only diff, then move or copy the additions as well to the top entry regarding agpgart and so on
[10:13] <Captain_Haddock> Rashid: I think I'll leave Beryl for later :P
[10:13] <Rashid> erm...if im gonna be honest...i havent a clue :$
[10:13] <everble> or i should say wifi radar isnt working period.
[10:13] <Rashid> Captain_Haddock: its not hard...trust me, once your using it, youll love it ;)
[10:14] <BrianSteffens> genii: ok be right back
[10:14] <Rashid> sorry everble...i dunno :S
[10:14] <everble> ok
[10:14] <genii> BrianSteffens :)
[10:14] <everble> how to get to startup programs on kubuntu 6.10??
[10:14] <everble> i cant find it
[10:14] <Captain_Haddock> Rashid: hmm, so whatever happens.. as long as I back up my xorg.conf, I should be fine right?
[10:15] <Rashid> everble do you mean you want to start a program automatically when you login?
[10:15] <genii> everble what is starting that you want to disable, or what is NOT starting that you want to farce start?
[10:15] <Rashid> captain_haddock:: yup
[10:15] <genii> force
[10:15] <Captain_Haddock> Rashid: okie dokie
[10:15] <Rashid> :D
[10:15] <Rashid> everble: if you want to start an application at login, copy its .desktop file from /usr/share/applications/kde to ~/.kde/Autostart
[10:16] <Rashid> e.g. to start kopete to cp /usr/share/applications/kde/kopete.desktop ~/.kde/Autostart
[10:16] <Rashid> do*
[10:16] <everble> i want my laptop to automatically scan and login into my wireless router without having to use wireless assistance manually
[10:17] <BrianSteffens> genii: no change :( updated xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38566/
[10:17] <everble> i have to use wireless assistance in order to get any connection to router for internet
[10:17] <Theory> everble: i've just been playing with this, switching to knetworkmanager was my option of choice
[10:17] <genii> BrianSteffens OK, going for a look
[10:17] <everble> knetworkmanager.  how do i do that theory??  i am a noobie here
[10:18] <BrianSteffens> genii: is there a command i can issue to show current video device params?
[10:18] <Rashid> BrianSteffens, what are you trying to do again?
[10:18] <Theory> everble: install it using the manage packages option on the system menu
[10:19] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: get my windows to resize smoothly
[10:19] <Theory> then you shuold be able to run it from the internet menu
[10:19] <Rashid> in beryl?
[10:19] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: in kde period ;D
[10:19] <Rashid> well if you use beryl, it will always resize smoothly ;)
[10:19] <everble> i will try now theory
[10:19] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: really? should i use xgl or aigxl?
[10:19] <Rashid> do you have dapper or edgy?
[10:19] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: edgy
[10:20] <Rashid> ok follow this guide http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/BerylOnEdgy
[10:20] <genii> So the next step of course will be beryl install LOL
[10:20] <BrianSteffens> genii: LMAO
[10:20] <BrianSteffens> this is funny: Beryl is a [set of?]  packages which [well, what?] .
[10:21] <Rashid> lol
[10:21] <genii> BrianSteffens BTW Your xorg.conf looks fine as far as i can tell now
[10:21] <BrianSteffens> 'it's a .. er something.. that er does... something else'
[10:21] <BrianSteffens> genii: alright, trying the beryl install
[10:22] <irvin> alright, I'm running fuse to destroy some Windows viruses on a mounted partition
[10:22] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop  <- should i do that? or is that incase i don't have a gui yet?
[10:22] <irvin> all I want to do is delete this virus, but K panel won't let me
[10:22] <irvin> sh btw, this is Admiral_Chicago for those who know who I am :P
[10:22] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: nope dont do that. do sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[10:22] <everble> i have edgy i think???
[10:23] <Rashid> the only reason for that is to update everything...you can in theory skip that step :) (i did)
[10:23] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: ok thanks ^^
[10:23] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: are all the sources roughly the same or should i go with on ein particular?
[10:24] <Rashid> go with the one closest to where you live
[10:24] <Rashid> (some of them dont work btw the uk ones)
[10:24] <Rashid> one of the uk mirrors works...
[10:24] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: where are you from?
[10:24] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: US
[10:25] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: going with the beryl-project.org one :P
[10:25] <Rashid> i think that ones doesnt work lol
[10:25] <irvin> anyone have ideas on how to destory these viruses?
[10:25] <Rashid> one sec...i think your better off using the UK one i use
[10:25] <Rashid> deb http://beryl-mirror.pricechild.co.uk edgy main
[10:26] <everble> Hey theory!!  Thanks man!!  This is the bomb
[10:26] <Rashid> everble glad you got it sorted :)
[10:26] <_Chris> Can someone help me with a startup problem that I think might be a problem with GRUB?
[10:26] <everble> now linux rules.
[10:27] <genii> _Chris What are your symptoms?
[10:27] <everble> now does anyone know how to use wifi-radar??  I could use some help.
[10:27] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: do i need to have the opensource ati drivers or are the ones i got from ati.com ok?
[10:28] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: you need opensource ati drivers...one sec let me check the howto to make sure
[10:28] <_Chris> genii - I have Kubuntu 6.10 Desktop.  Everything installed fine.  But when I restart, I get a message saying something about GRUB, then "Starting Up..."  After that I just get a really fast flashing cursor.  I have to hit enter many times to get it to boot up, and it seems to take a long time.
[10:28] <jontec>  I used this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting to try to fix my sound... and now kmix isn't even detecting my sound card!!! HELP!
[10:28] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: have you done an apt-get install fglrx or something similar in the past?
[10:29] <genii> _Chris Well, it is booting at least. Is this a laptop?
[10:29] <BrianSteffens> !ati
[10:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:29] <_Chris> No, it is a desktop.
[10:29] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: i used that binarydriverhowto. and did the second option for ati, where you get the drivers from ati.com
[10:29] <_Chris> genii - No, it is a desktop.
[10:30] <genii> _Chris Can you please copy and paste the contents of /etc/grub/menu.lst to pastebin?
[10:30] <genii> ! pastebin | _Chris
[10:30] <ubotu> _Chris: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:30] <_Chris> genii - Sure, can you tell me how to do that?
[10:31] <BrianSteffens> _Chris kdesu kate /etc/grub/menu.lst to open the file
[10:31] <jontec> !apt-get > jontec
[10:31] <everble> anyone know how to use the wifi-radar tool?
[10:31] <genii> Thx Brian
[10:31] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: from ati.com? :S
[10:31] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: yepyep :O
[10:32] <Rashid> you mean this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[10:32] <jontec> T_T why isn't my sound working
[10:32] <genii> _Chris If you type in what Brian suggested into Konsole then the editor will open with the contents of that file.
[10:32] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: do you mean this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[10:32] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: because thats what you're meant to do...
[10:33] <_Chris> BrianSteffens - Thanks!
[10:33] <_Chris> genii - The file is empty - nothing to paste
[10:33] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-26e8b0d4be861a6b7c545dc21c45232f909d8ca2
[10:33] <Rashid> _Chris: are you sure you got the path correct?? it cant be empty
[10:33] <genii> _Chris Hmm
[10:34] <genii> It has to have a menu.lst or won't boot at all
[10:34] <BrianSteffens> _Chris try using sudo nano /etc/grub/menu.lst and see if it says New File anywhere
[10:34] <Pirate-king> can kubuntu interface with an ipod?
[10:34] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: i thought you said you had edgy? those instructions are for dapper :S
[10:34] <Rashid> Pirate-king: yep using amarok
[10:35] <_Chris> BrianSteffens - Tried that to, it is empty.
[10:35] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: are you sure? in the first block of commands it says --buildpkg Ubuntu/edgy >_<
[10:35] <genii> _Chris Try again in Konsole:  sudo cat /etc/grub/menu.lst
[10:36] <_Chris> There is no grub directory in /etc
[10:36] <BrianSteffens> locate grub turned up /boot/grub for me
[10:36] <BrianSteffens> with a menu.lst
[10:37] <genii> _Chris OK then begin with this in Konsole:   sudo updatedb && locate grub
[10:37] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: one sec you;re right but this howto is incorrect i think
[10:37] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: let me do some searching :p
[10:37] <_Chris> BrianSteffens - I did that and a million things shot by
[10:37] <genii> _Chris then note the directories which will begin with /etc  or  /boot
[10:37] <BrianSteffens> Rashid haha uhoh
[10:38] <_Chris> genii - I did that, and it says sum stuff, what now?
[10:38] <BrianSteffens> _Chris scroll up ;P
[10:38] <genii> _Chris OK, do then to narrow the list:   sudo locate grub && grep menu
[10:38] <_Chris> I have a /boot/grub
[10:39] <_Chris> genii - looks like I have a menu.lst in /boot/grub
[10:40] <genii> _Chris then the command:      kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:40] <Zamber_> !compiz
[10:40] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:40] <Zamber_> !beryl
[10:40] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[10:40] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: oh dear...this is so embarassing :$ i just found out that the opensource ATI driver _does_not_ support AIGLX :( you need to install xgl ...
[10:40] <genii> _Chris after it opens  use ctrl-a for select all    then  ctrl-c   to copy    then open the website for the pastebin  and ctrl-v to paste it
[10:40] <everble> anyone know how to use the wifi-radar tool?
[10:41] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: le cry~
[10:41] <genii> _Chris Then note the url the pastebin gives you and copy paste that back here
[10:41] <Rashid> lol
[10:41] <_Chris> genii - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38572/
[10:41] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: try this? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=291464&highlight=ati+xgl+beryl
[10:42] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: muaha okee
[10:42] <_Chris> genii - or this...  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38573/
[10:44] <everble> Theory.  Have you ever played with wifi-radar?
[10:45] <genii> _Chris Well, there is nothing the matter with grub, i would say. Although you may want to remove the line reading hiddenmenu so that you cann see the choices when it begins to boot.
[10:45] <Theory> everble: no
[10:46] <genii> _Chris Please use the same process as before to pastebin the file /var/log/boot
[10:46] <everble> theory-can you tell what is the best network scanner to use?
[10:47] <everble> that will do things automatically
[10:47] <_Chris> genii - here is /var/log/boot
[10:47] <_Chris> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38576
[10:47] <genii> _Chris thx brb
[10:48] <Theory> everble: what do you want to achieve?
[10:49] <genii> _Chris something in your mysql is causing the slow boot
[10:49] <everble> well what i want to do.  If say i want to go to a public place that offers free wifi.  I want to be able to scan networks when I startup my laptop
[10:49] <_Chris> genii - Any idea what?
[10:49] <genii> _Chris corrupt tables apparently
[10:49] <Bubba_Gump> can i use both my mic input and music output at the same time through one integrated card?
[10:50] <_Chris> genii - I haven't done anything with it besides install, so should I use Adept to remove and re-install it?
[10:50] <genii> _Chris Yes
[10:50] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: where it says to make the startxgl script, the last line says 'exec dbus-launch --exit-with-session gnome-session'.. should i replace that with 'kde-session' ?
[10:50] <genii> _Chris Altho I would recommend Aptitude instead of Adept
[10:51] <_Chris> Adept is what came with it, right?
[10:51] <Rashid> there should be a kde-alternative somewhere,,, :S i cant remember the kde one
[10:51] <Rashid> paste the whole startxgl script here
[10:51] <_Chris> genii - How would I change over?
[10:51] <BrianSteffens> #!/bin/sh
[10:51] <BrianSteffens> Xgl :1 -fullscreen -ac -accel xv:pbuffer -accel glx:pbuffer &
[10:51] <BrianSteffens> DISPLAY=:1
[10:51] <BrianSteffens> exec dbus-launch --exit-with-session gnome-session
[10:51] <genii> _Chris to install things from the command-line is usually the most safe actually
[10:52] <Rashid> is that the entire script?
[10:52] <Rashid> i think the last bit is meant to be exec startkde ?
[10:52] <genii> _Chris if you are up to it I would suggest in Konsole:  sudo apt-get remove mysql                  then a second line after   sudo apt-get install mysql
[10:53] <BrianSteffens> Rashid yes that's the whole script
[10:53] <Rashid> hmm does anyone else in the channel know? :$
[10:53] <BrianSteffens> !xgl
[10:53] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:53] <genii> _Chris it also appears that the startup script /etc/rc2.d/S20powernowd is causing issues
[10:54] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: found it :D you called it
[10:54] <genii> _Chris please pastebin this file as well  /etc/rc2.d/S20powernowd
[10:54] <Rashid> cool :D
[10:55] <_Chris> genii - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38577/
[10:55] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: brb, testing
[10:55] <Rashid> BrianSteffens kk good "luck"
[10:56] <_Chris> genii - when I do sudo apt-get install mysql it tells me that it couldn't find package mysql?
[10:56] <genii> _Chris and if you use apache you should put an entry in it's conf file to specify it's address to use. Otherwise uninstall it as well
[10:56] <genii> _Chris 1 moment I'll find t5he exact packagename
[10:57] <casev01> hi, im getting this error, and beryl not launching: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[10:57] <casev01> my gpu is a geforce go 7300
[10:58] <casev01> and i had beryl from some time runing, until today
[10:58] <BrianSteffens> :O my non-client window areas are gone ha
[10:58] <_Chris> genii - What do you mean by its "Address to use"?
[10:59] <genii> _Chris 1 thing at a time :) To find what ver of mysql you need to use for packagename please put:   apt-cache search mysql-client
[11:00] <Sanne> _Chris: this might help you also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[11:00] <genii> _Chris as for address for apache to use. It is a web server and so need to know wht it's IP address should be
[11:00] <_Chris> genii - That's another question for later, how do I set static IP
[11:00] <BrianSteffens> how can i get the window borders and such back lol
[11:01] <_Chris> genii - These are the two lines from the last command:
[11:01] <genii> _Chris yes, later LOL. What did apt-cache search mysql-client    command produce?
[11:01] <_Chris> mysql-client - mysql database client (current version)
[11:01] <_Chris> mysql-client-5.0 - mysql database client binaries
[11:02] <genii> _Chris good. So now:   sudo apt-get remove mysql-client              then hit enter and when it finishes       sudo apt-get install mysql-client
[11:02] <VR_> Has source-o-matic been removed?
[11:02] <genii> On some editions you need exact version but here the two are the same
[11:03] <matthew_> genii, couldn't he just do sudo apt-get install --reinstall mysql-client      ?
[11:03] <genii> matthew_ conceivably but I'm trying to think in a linear fashion here
[11:03] <magic_ninja> when I try to burn an audio cd with k3b it says "unsupported format" so do i have to convert to wav to burn?
[11:03] <_Chris> genii - it is done.
[11:04] <genii> _Chris OK. Now please pastebin the file mentioned earlier /etc/rc2.d/S20powernowd
[11:04] <matthew_> genii, oh, so now you _linear_! lol
[11:04] <matthew_> want...you _want_ linear
[11:04] <matthew_> I'm retarded.
[11:04] <genii> bah smartass
[11:05] <genii> :)
[11:05] <_Chris> genii - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38579/
[11:05] <genii> matthew I'm on the tail end of another long haul so need to things simply
[11:05] <genii> _Chris OK hangon
[11:05] <citr0n> Hey. Can anyone tell me, how to assign <Alt Gr>+e to ?
[11:05] <citr0n> If I write "xmodmap -e 'keycode 26 = e E ae AE ae AE'" in a console, it doesn't work, but if I change the Q-key with "xmodmap -e 'keycode  24 = q Q ae AE ae AE'", it works just fine.
[11:05] <citr0n> The only difference I see, is that Q already has assigned a value to <Alt Gr>+q, and e doesn't. Do I have to tell that I add an value instead of changing one?
[11:06] <Alimah> Hi, can someone help me with scim input method language support?
[11:06] <Rashid> alimah what language?
[11:07] <Alimah> Rashid: arabic
[11:07] <genii> _Chris I need now pastebin /etc/default/powernowd
[11:07] <Rashid> assalamu alaikum ukthi :)
[11:07] <genii> We need to turn off cpu scaling in there
[11:08] <_Chris> genii - That is any empty file, is there a 2 missing out of the name?
[11:08] <BrianSteffens> O____________O
[11:08] <genii> _Chris if there is any file in /etc/default   with the name of powernowd  in it pls use that :)
[11:09] <Alimah> I downloaded arabic support, but how do I switch to typing arabic
[11:09] <_Chris> genii - the only file in that dir that starts with a p is pmi
[11:09] <_Chris> cd /etc/default
[11:10] <_Chris> ls -l
[11:10] <_Chris> oops!  sorry
[11:10] <genii> _Chris It may have something before the "p"
[11:10] <_Chris> genii - nothing with the letters "power" in it...
[11:11] <genii> _Chris to list with a wildcard match use ls /etc/default/*power*    <- eg
[11:11] <BrianSteffens> beryl is weiiiird
[11:12] <_Chris> genii - "no such file or directory"
[11:12] <genii> Hmm
[11:13] <genii> _Chris please do: cd /etc/default        then just ls and tell me if something looks like "powernowd"
[11:13] <_Chris> genii - Nope.  Nothing with power or "now" in the name
[11:14] <genii> _Chris OK wait 1 minute please
[11:14] <_Chris> How can I pipe the directory tree to an editor so I can pastebin it for you?
[11:14] <_Chris> genii okay
[11:14] <Rashid> Alimah: look in system settings
[11:14] <Rashid> one sec ill look for where it is
[11:16] <simen> the help i need requires msn messenger cuz i have to send pics and stuff..
[11:16] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: lol
[11:16] <simen> anyone can help me with some eyecandy stuff ?
[11:16] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: i didn't think beryl would be like this haha
[11:16] <simen> simen_99@hotmail.com
[11:16] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: it's really awesome lol and the effects run great. except resizing windows got 100x worse
[11:17] <simen> add me if u can help me
[11:17] <genii> _Chris OK there is nothing to be done with powernowd then. On to apache
[11:17] <simen> Add me plz someone ! simen_99@hotmail.com
[11:17] <prak> does anyone know how to install win32 codecs onto kubuntu edgy?
[11:18] <BrianSteffens> !w32codecs
[11:18] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:18] <simen> s
[11:18] <genii> _Chris Does your connection have a static IP address from your provider?
[11:18] <simen> genii : Are you from norway?
[11:18] <_Chris> genii - No, I'm on dsl.  I want to do a static ip on
[11:19] <genii> simen No :) Canada
[11:19] <simen> ok
[11:19] <simen> do u have msn ?
[11:19] <_Chris> genii - Where in CA?
[11:19] <genii> simen mystic_scientist@canada.com        Toronto
[11:19] <simen> lol genii is norwegian for genious..u know that ?
[11:19] <simen> heha
[11:19] <_Chris> genii - My mom is from Newfoundland...  :-)
[11:20] <simen> lol Genii u have to add me,my gaim is fucked :S simen_99@hotmail.com
[11:20] <simen> hehe
[11:20] <simen> ^^
[11:20] <genii> simen Also it is english for plural form of genius LOL
[11:20] <simen> Is it ? :O
[11:20] <simen> :P
[11:20] <genii> _Chris OK so currently no static IP?
[11:20] <jannick> hy
[11:20] <jannick> hi* :P
[11:20] <simen> genii add me :P my gaim is fucked..simen_99@hotmail.com
[11:21] <LjL> !language
[11:21] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:21] <simen> Sorry :S :P
[11:21] <genii> simen If you need me to add you to gaim you have to email me, I am not at home where my IM is
[11:21] <simen> ok
[11:21] <_Chris> genii - Correct my DSL Modem has had the same one for months, but I know it is not static...  I just want it static on the otherside to I can route to it through the DSL modem like I did my wireless camera
[11:22] <Rashid> alimah are you still there?
[11:22] <radames> chi mi sa dire cosa fare quando installando dazuko compare la scritta The auto-scan process died unexpectedly!
[11:22] <LjL> !it | radames
[11:22] <ubotu> radames: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:22] <genii> _Chris Well unfortunately there is no correct way to do this because your IP is currently most likely being assigned by DHCP from your provider.
[11:23] <_Chris> genii - I am getting dhcp from my DSL modem right now.  And I can always check to see what my static IP is on my dsl modem, and make it port forward to the right machine, no?
[11:23] <genii> _Chris Is your modem also a router which gives an address of something like 192.168.x.x ?
[11:23] <_Chris> genii - Yes.
[11:23] <simen> i just mailed it to u
[11:23] <Rashid> amilah?
[11:24] <genii> _Chris OK then you are best to assign it by mac address always the same internal IP in the admin part of your router.
[11:24] <genii> simen OK thx
[11:24] <_Chris> genii -  Ahhh ...  Well that's over my head on ubuntu, I don't know how to make it spit out the MACid
[11:25] <everble> anyone know how to use wifi-radar?
[11:25] <_Chris> genii - and I never thought to write it down when I had windblows XP on it!  doh!
[11:25] <genii> _Chris The router normally would have a web interface which you use a browser to access by some IP like 192.168.0.1 etc
[11:25] <BrianSteffens> lol ok it's definitely not a problem with my vid drivers.. using beryl i've got some ridiculous 3d effects going on lol. maybe i should just make resizing windows not show contents
[11:25] <_Chris> genii - yes, that is how I do it...
[11:26] <sedat> is there a default remote desktop protocol in kubuntu
[11:26] <sedat> vnc or rdp
[11:26] <genii> _Chris Within the router itself within some part of the admin or LAN or DHCP section is normally a place to give static IP to certain MAC address
[11:26] <BrianSteffens> ssh for terminal, maybe x too :D
[11:26] <simen> what should i do ? i cant speak private to anyone ?
[11:26] <sedat> how I can remote destop to kubuntu
[11:26] <Simian__> .
[11:26] <Rashid> KMenu > internet > remote desktop
[11:27] <gotcha> anyone that can recomend a program that can handle both msn and icq kubuntu 6.06
[11:27] <Rashid> kopete
[11:27] <genii> _Chris normally in this situation the router displays the list of dhcp clients it has with their mac addresses also listed.
[11:27] <gotcha> kopete can handle msn as well?
[11:27] <sedat> Rashid: I can connect to kubuntu
[11:27] <BrianSteffens> gotcha yep
[11:27] <gotcha> nice
[11:27] <Rashid> yup kopete can handle msn and sedat what dpo you want to do?
[11:27] <gotcha> thx for the info
[11:27] <sedat> Rashid: is there any change necessary in kubuntu side
[11:27] <Rashid> sedat: do you want to connect to ubuntu or let someone connect to you?
[11:27] <_Chris> genii - Yup!  Just checked that, and it is there... So that won't be a problem...  So then there is no need to set it to static, right?
[11:28] <sedat> I want to connect from ubuntu to kubuntu
[11:28] <genii> _Chris Correct, since it will be done at the router level.
[11:28] <Rashid> yes sedat you need to run krfb
[11:28] <prak> does anyone know how to install win32 codecs for kubuntu edgy such that i can play windows media player files?
[11:28] <Rashid> look in K Menu > Internet > Krfb (desktop sharing)
[11:28] <genii> _Chris So now to tell apache which IP to use :)
[11:28] <Rashid> create an invitation and set it up (its fairly easy :))
[11:28] <genii> _Chris is the IP 192.168.0.100 ?
[11:29] <Rashid> sedat: does that help?
[11:29] <genii> (from the router)
[11:29] <Theory> prak: DVD Playback
[11:29] <Theory> libdvdcss2 as detailed at http://www.ubuntugeek.com/enable-dvd-playback-in-your-ubuntu-system.html#more-13
[11:29] <Theory> also w32codecs
[11:29] <simen> does anyone have an idea how i can hack into my brothers computer (windows xp) to mess with him ??
[11:29] <sedat> Rashid: I dont want to invite someone
[11:29] <Theory> hrm, not what I wanted in my clipboard, bad basket
[11:29] <Rashid> sedat: then what do you want to do?
[11:29] <Rashid> amilah: are you there? :S
[11:29] <sedat> Rashid: I want to connect this kubuntu box whenever I want from my ubuntu box
[11:29] <_Chris> genii - No, the current IP is 192.168.0.3
[11:29] <simen> does anyone have an idea how i can hack into my brothers computer (windows xp) to mess with him ??
[11:30] <_Chris> genii - I'm in the setup, and it appears that it will only allow me to tell it to port forward for an IP, and not a MADid
[11:30] <Rashid> sedat: do you mean _you_ want to connect to your kubuntu box at any time? graphically or textually?
[11:30] <genii> _Chris OK so you will then after set this in the router to always assign OK?
[11:30] <Theory> simen: leave a whoopee cushion on his chair instead
[11:30] <simen> lol
[11:30] <sedat> Rashid: graphically
[11:30] <simen> ^^
[11:30] <_Chris> simen - why, he's already messed with!
[11:30] <Rashid> OK then you install x11vnc
[11:30] <simen> hehah
[11:30] <genii> _Chris look instead of the portforward or dmz section into the LAN or DHCP section
[11:30] <_Chris> genii - What?
[11:31] <sedat> Rashid:  I will try it
[11:31] <Rashid> sedat: i think its in universe so you can jsut do sudo aptitude update & sudo aptitude install x11vnc
[11:31] <Rashid> then run x11vnc
[11:31] <Rashid> goto www.whatismyip.com write down your IP now you can control your kubuntu box from ubuntu using vncviewer in ubuntu
[11:31] <Rashid> cant remember the name of the ubuntu one...there is one built in
[11:31] <Rashid> sedat: might be under Internet > remote desktop or something? :S
[11:32] <genii> _Chris in the admin area of your router where you would set it to do what I am saying would be where it has the IP pool it hands out to lan machines etc
[11:32] <Rashid> sedat: scroll up as well forgot to add your name to other messages :$
[11:32] <Rashid> ok i gotta bounce guys see ya'll later
[11:32] <Rashid> sedat: btw dude where you from?
[11:32] <BrianSteffens> genii: hate to interrupt, but do you think my resizing problem could have something to do with font rendering? :O
[11:33] <genii> _Chris If after some searching you cannot find this let me know
[11:33] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: lol did yu not sort out your resizing problem yet?
[11:33] <Rashid> does everything resize smoothly with beryl? :S
[11:33] <genii> BrianSteffens Unsure :(
[11:33] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: it's 100x worse ha
[11:33] <Rashid> lol really!?!? how does that work :S beryl is supposed to make everything faster+smoother
[11:34] <genii> BrianSteffens I haven't dealt with beryl yet etc etc
[11:34] <BrianSteffens> no idea haha
[11:34] <BrianSteffens> genii: beryl is pretty awesome so far haha
[11:34] <sedat> Rashid: from Turkey
[11:34] <_Chris> genii - In the DMZ section it only looks like I can turn it on or off.
[11:34] <_Chris> in the DHCP there is nothing about MACid's
[11:34] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: yir lol beryl rocks :D
[11:34] <Rashid> sedat: muslim?
[11:34] <Crell> Hi all.  I'm having some issues with USB-based devices in a new Edgy install.   First item up, the "Storage Media" menu option is pointing to /media rather than media:/.  Is there a way to fix that?
[11:34] <sedat> Rashid: yep
[11:34] <Rashid> assalamu alaikum akhi :)
[11:35] <genii> _Chris OK, then return in the router to the place where you can port-forward and port-forward the port 80 to the ip address from before
[11:35] <BrianSteffens> rashid: i'm SO confused lol, i have all the beryl effects cranked way up. and everything is completely smooth ecept resizing
[11:35] <sedat> Rashid: aleykm selam
[11:35] <prak> also, does someone knows how to setup a kubuntu edgy to communicate with an external device (say a microcontroller board) with it connected to usb?
[11:35] <prak> like how windows user communicate with the board with hyperterminal?
[11:35] <genii> _Chris eg 192.168.0.3
[11:35] <sedat> Rashid: where'r you from
[11:35] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: that is very weird :S in resizing have you tried different resize types? e.g. stretch, content etc
[11:35] <_Chris> genii - okay
[11:35] <Rashid> sedat: im from bangladesh in england :)
[11:35] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: yeah =X
[11:36] <simen> _Chris: Do u have msn messenger ?
[11:36] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: wow...i really have no idea then :S
[11:36] <genii> _Chris OK now we tell apache which IP to use
[11:36] <_Chris> simen - Not really, I use AIM On windblows...
[11:36] <_Chris> genii - okay
[11:36] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: hm actually stretch works ok but it's weiiird lol
[11:37] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: how do you mean weird?
[11:37] <genii> _Chris type in:    sudo echo "Listen 192.168.0.3:80" >> /etc/apache2/ports.conf
[11:37] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: just the way it like.. stretches out all directions kinda lol
[11:37] <simen> ok
[11:37] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: isnt that what its meant to do...stretch lol?
[11:38] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: yes i just cna't cope with it :D
[11:38] <genii> _Chris Now we can assign the static IP
[11:38] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: lol...well in that case i really dunno lol
[11:38] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: ok dude i gotta go now...sorry i couldnt help more
[11:38] <Rashid> sedat: salam bro im going
[11:38] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: two questions - with beryl can i make windows snap to other windows? also can i get the cursors back to arrows instead of gnomeish ickiness?
[11:38] <BrianSteffens> Rashid: oh ok nm
[11:38] <genii> _Chris Still with me? :)
[11:38] <Rashid> wait one sec
[11:39] <_Chris> Okay
[11:39] <_Chris> Genii - Yea
[11:39] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: no you cant make windows snap to other windows but you can make them snap to edges
[11:39] <genii> _Chris OK I need you to pastebin the file /etc/network/interfaces
[11:39] <Rashid> BrianSteffens: and for me they are arrows not gnome things so i dunnonwhat happened to you lol :S
[11:39] <Crell> Isn't the System "Storage Media" icon supposed to point to media:/, not to /media?  How can I change that?
[11:39] <BrianSteffens> lol ok
[11:40] <Rashid> Crell: yeah i thought that too...id be interested to know :p
[11:40] <prak> also, does someone knows how to setup a kubuntu edgy to communicate with an external device (say a microcontroller board) with it connected to usb using linux equivalent of hyperterminal in windows?
[11:40] <linopil> genii, see you
[11:40] <Crell> Oh good. :-)
[11:40] <genii> _Chris I will modify that file, re pastebin it and then you copy that and replace the old one
[11:40] <genii> linopil gnite :)
[11:41] <genii> !mgetty
[11:41] <_Chris> genii - what do I do after typing the echo command, I'm getting a >
[11:41] <ubotu> mgetty: Smart Modem getty replacement. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.1.35-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 166 kB, installed size 392 kB
[11:41] <genii> _Chris hit   ctrl-c
[11:42] <tony__> hello. just installed clean Kubuntu .. but why is it that i can not see any folders but Home and Media ???
[11:42] <genii> _Chris We need to do the echo command again. so:     sudo echo 'Listen 192.168.0.3:80' >> /etc/apache2/ports.conf
[11:43] <genii> _Chris note the single quotes are from the keys near the Enter key not from near the 1 key
[11:43] <_Chris> genii - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38582/
[11:43] <soulrider> !info getty
[11:43] <ubotu> Package getty does not exist in any distro I know
[11:44] <tony__> hello. just installed clean Kubuntu .. but why is it that i can not see any folders but Home and Media ???
[11:44] <prak> does someone knows how to setup a kubuntu edgy to communicate with an external device (say a microcontroller board) with it connected to usb?
[11:44] <genii> _Chris Is your computer directly connected to the router or is it using the wireless connection?
[11:44] <_Chris> genii - I get a bash error, permission denied, even with sudo
[11:44] <ubuntu> Live CD on a 24in screen. No Graphics! Can anyone help please?
[11:45] <_Chris> genii - neither, it is hocked to a hub, which is hooked to dsl modem/router
[11:45] <ubuntu> Works in safe mode
[11:46] <BrianSteffens> does anyone know where i might find font render settings?
[11:46] <genii> _Chris OK then to the apache situation. In Konsole again. sudo nano /etc/apache2/ports.conf       then go to the bottom of the document and add the Listen 192.168.0.3:80        line   then hit  ctrl-x to exit and Y to save
[11:46] <KING_LEORIK> HI!
[11:47] <KING_LEORIK> write me
[11:47] <tony__> hello. just installed clean Kubuntu .. but why is it that i can not see any folders but Home and Media ???
[11:47] <matthew_> !etiquette | KING_LEORIK
[11:47] <ubotu> KING_LEORIK: Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !AskTheBot - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[11:47] <BrianSteffens> !Attitude
[11:47] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:47] <Hawkwind> !hidden | tony__
[11:47] <ubotu> tony__: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[11:48] <KING_LEORIK> !Language Russia
[11:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Language Russia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:48] <matthew_> !ru
[11:48] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[11:48] <KING_LEORIK> !ru
[11:48] <KING_LEORIK> !sru
[11:48] <ubotu> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse.
[11:48] <KING_LEORIK> )))
[11:48] <_Chris> genii - okay. done.  all that was there was listen 80
[11:48] <matthew_> can someone please ban king? or at least boot him?
[11:48] <KING_LEORIK> !etiquette | matthew_
[11:48] <ubotu> matthew_: Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !AskTheBot - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[11:48] <LjL> !ops
[11:48] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind or trappist
[11:49] <JOSF> Hello, I am completly new to (k)ubuntu and would like to know whether there is a firewall installed automatically with the 6.10 release for desktop systems.
[11:49] <_Chris> genii - unfortunately, I gotta go...  Thanks for the help, are you on here a lot?
[11:49] <genii> _Chris You seem to have 4 ethernet adapters.
[11:49] <matthew_> good bye king
[11:49] <genii> _Chris Yeah lately I'm here a lot
[11:49] <_Chris> genii - there is only one.
[11:49] <JOSF> Also I'd like to know why so many docs are missing.
[11:49] <JOSF> And...how can I install a deb by double-clicking it ?
[11:49] <_Chris> genii - is it seeing firewire and usb maybe as eth?
[11:49] <genii> _Chris most likely, yes
[11:50] <_Chris> genii - Okay.. Thank you very much for the help!  TTYL
[11:50] <genii> _Chris After tomorrow i will not return til Dec 27
[11:50] <deus> hey genii
[11:50] <genii> _Chris have fun
[11:50] <genii> deus Hey :)
[11:50] <deus> any ideas on this tv tuner yet?
[11:51] <genii> deus Neh
[11:51] <_Chris> genii - Okay, I probably won't be back until then either!
[11:51] <deus> ugh
[11:52] <genii> deus I know
[11:52] <Mytye> Ok so I am sick of trying to get my radeon to work any tips on Nvidia?
[11:52] <apokryphos> Mytye: anything in the 6*** series
[11:52] <matthew_> Mytye, get a card w/ at least 128 MB of RAM
[11:53] <matthew_> Mytye, that's what I'm gonna do...once I stop being poor...
[11:53] <matthew_> lol
[11:53] <deus> you have radeon problems too?
[11:53] <Mytye> lol
[11:53] <deus> whats the deal with that?
[11:53] <genii> Seems a common complaint these days
[11:53] <Mytye> I need to do 3D via Blender
[11:53] <matthew_> could be because ATI is totally anal about not releasing good drivers...
[11:54] <genii> I don't see them getting any better now that it's AMD owned either
[11:54] <Mytye> Hah anal is not even close lol
[11:54] <deus> ugh.  I thought amd was good
[11:54] <deus> Okay, I gotto go
[11:54] <genii> deus Gnite
[11:55] <matthew_> genii, nope, def not....
[11:55] <matthew_> our savior?
[11:55] <genii> :)
[11:55] <matthew_> genii, I love the deus ex machina from Matrix: Revolutions
[11:56] <genii> matthew_ Yeah it was a classic :)
[11:56] <UPC> hi
[11:56] <genii> I love the last one for the CGI
[11:57] <BrianSteffens> genii: what's wrong with amd :(
[11:57] <UPC> is there anything bad with using "apt-get" instead of "aptitude" ?  I just like  "apt-get" more but I heard   "aptitude" would be better for the system.  Whats the truth?
[11:58] <matthew_> UPC, I too use apt-get when I know the package name, but I also use synaptic when I don't know the package name
[11:58] <matthew_> UPC, just a thought
[11:58] <genii> BrianSteffens I like amd cpus fine. Just that you'd think they would want to let us peek at the way the ATI chips work so open-source drivers could be made and help put a dent in Intel
[11:59] <BrianSteffens> genii: oh.. that's really weird -.- i always thought of them as more on the side of opensource than closed-source.. wonder why they don't side a bit with open
[11:59] <tony__> i cann't seems to find proper info on showing Folders under root directory ..
[11:59] <tony__> any one with better explination ?
[11:59] <matthew_> genii, amd is cheaper...but also runs hotter...
[11:59] <matthew_> tony__, cd /
[11:59] <genii> matthew_ I like the "no fixed clock multilier"
[11:59] <genii> multiplier
[11:59] <matthew_> genii, well, yeah...that's always nice...
[11:59] <matthew_> lol
[12:00] <matthew_> tony__, ls
[12:00] <tony__> in konqueror there is no option to show folders
[12:00] <matthew_> tony__, type those two commands into a konsol
[12:00] <matthew_> tony__, you mean hidden folders?
[12:00] <tony__> folders lik, etc, var, www, usr
[12:00] <matthew_> tony__, you need to go into the address bar and type in /etc
[12:00] <tony__> i need to install apache and in need access to those folder using konquerer
[12:01] <matthew_> tony__, or /www or /usr or whatever
[12:01] <matthew_> yeah
[12:01] <BrianSteffens> tony__ you can use kdesu konqueror to run konq as root for modifying hidden stuff
[12:01] <tony__> i was bearly learned with older version now this
[12:01] <deus> yeah, my computers name is deus ex machina
[12:01] <matthew_> deus, nice
[12:01] <matthew_> deus, did genii ssh into your box or something?
[12:01] <deus> usually, my handle is premier sullivan, but I was laze and didnt change it
[12:01] <deus> no, why?
[12:01] <genii> Nah he had some pastebin with the name :)
[12:01] <deus> not that I know of
[12:02] <BrianSteffens> deus: either that is a common thing to name a machine or i've seen your machine serving something somewhere in a galaxy far, far away
[12:02] <matthew_> cause genii...oh wait...never mind...lol
[12:02] <deus> hmm...
[12:02] <matthew_> yeah
[12:02] <genii> But it's a pretty logical deduction from his nick here anyhow
[12:02] <genii> LOL
[12:03] <deus> no, im just god
[12:03] <matthew_> [MAC monotone]  ha ha ha...that is very funny [/MAC monotone] 
[12:03] <tony__> that aint working eiter
[12:03] <tony__> lol
[12:03] <tony__> im way to tired of this stuff
[12:03] <matthew_> tony__, then take a break...that helps me sometimes
[12:03] <genii> tony__ You need to put webpages up or something?
[12:04] <tony__> yes.. script to test
[12:04] <deus> why wont konquerer show us all the folders
[12:04] <tony__> i had things working untill somethign went wrong with resolution ,
[12:04] <BrianSteffens> tony__ php scripts?
[12:04] <tony__> i installed new kubuntu CD, and now i have problme locating folders
[12:04] <genii> tony__ What directory is it in currently?
[12:04] <tony__> yes
[12:04] <deus> btw, genii, did you figure out that repeat action thing for the backspace?
[12:04] <genii> (scripts etc)
[12:04] <tony__> home
[12:04] <BrianSteffens> tony__ want an ftp account on a webserver of mine? ;P
[12:04] <genii> deus Actually yeah
[12:04] <tony__> i only can see HOME , MEDIA
[12:05] <tony__> thanks . but i realy like to test things localy ..
[12:05] <deus> genii: really? what is it?
[12:05] <genii> tony__ OK so in Konsole just do this:    sudo cp ~/filenameswhatevertheyare     /var/www
[12:06] <BrianSteffens> tony__ i see hidden files now in konq
[12:06] <prak> does anyone know how to setup kubuntu's equivalent of hyperterminal?
[12:06] <tony__> thanks genii, im not konsol guy yet,, i need to your file manger to navigate
[12:06] <genii> deus I had the webpage up but then lost it again about the key repeats etc
[12:06] <deus> oh...
[12:06] <BrianSteffens> tony__ what version kubuntu are you using
[12:06] <tony__> hidden files yes, but not folders..like share, urs, var, etc ..
[12:07] <deus> what did you search for?
[12:07] <tony__> latest , i download this morning
[12:07] <BrianSteffens> tony__ feisty? O_O
[12:07] <tony__> 6.10
[12:07] <tony__> yes
[12:07] <tony__> i belive
[12:07] <genii> not Feisty
[12:07] <BrianSteffens> tony__ that'd be edgy
[12:07] <genii> Edgy
[12:07] <tony__> i386
[12:07] <tony__> yes
[12:07] <BrianSteffens> tony__ go to View->Show Hidden Files in konq
[12:08] <petre> anyone have any suggestions for getting kubuntu to boot on an MSA PM8M3-V motherboard?  It seems to hang when loading drivers.
[12:08] <tony__> i did , that only show hidden files and folders that are not the same as what im looking for .
[12:08] <petre> Edgy and Dapper both fail
[12:08] <BrianSteffens> tony__ give me an example of a folder you're looking for
[12:08] <tony__> i usesd to click on red folder icon and those folder used to get displayed
[12:08] <deus> hmm, I tried to look up the help file on kdevelop and it sent me back here, gol
[12:08] <genii> BrianSteffens  he needs to put his web stuff into /var/www
[12:08] <tony__> var / www
[12:09] <BrianSteffens> tony__ i see /var in konq
[12:09] <petre> I've tried adding noapic and nolapic to boot parameters, but still no go
[12:09] <tony__> humm, why can i see it
[12:09] <BrianSteffens> are you running konq as root?
[12:09] <tony__> how do you enter the path in the address bar
[12:09] <BrianSteffens> tony__ just click in the addressbar and put / and hit enter. or /var and hit enter
[12:09] <tony__> i will try
[12:10] <prak> does anyone know how to setup kubuntu's equivalent of hyperterminal?
[12:10] <BrianSteffens> tony__ make sure you started konq from the terminal using 'kdesu konqueror' to be safe that you're in root
[12:11] <tony__> thank.. when i type / address bar opens and shows all the folders
[12:11] <petre> prak: do you want to talk to a modem or what?
[12:11] <tony__> but if i just type  /   and press enter i only get ofcourse HOME, Media folder
[12:11] <BrianSteffens> tony__ that's with the hidden file option checked and konq run with kdesu?
[12:12] <tony__> yes..
[12:12] <tony__> let me try again
[12:12] <tony__> hold on
[12:12] <prak> i want to talk to a microcomputer through a com port
[12:12] <prak> i think
[12:12] <BrianSteffens> tony__ that's odd, i have a brand new install (as of a few hours ago) and all i did was those two things and i see them all
[12:13] <prak> peter: i want to talk to a microcomputer through a com port
[12:13] <petre> which should be more or less the same as talking to a modem--it's just serial communications
[12:13] <prak> peter: would minicom do it?
[12:13] <tony__>  i did kdesu ,,,after file manager opens , i typed  /   and pressed enter i got error
[12:13] <tony__> An error occurred while loading locate:\:
[12:13] <tony__> The process for the locate protocol died unexpectedly.
[12:13] <petre> yes
[12:13] <genii> put the slash the other way
[12:13] <tony__> An error occurred while loading locate:\:
[12:13] <tony__> The process for the locate protocol died unexpectedly.
[12:14] <petre> I used it years ago but was drawing a blank on the name