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[12:31] <jcwinnie> Somebody washed my desktop in hot water and shrunk it, now it is too small for my screen. Any advice?
[12:31] <mdke> shouldn't that expand it?
[12:32] <jcwinnie> I think because it was made of South African sheeps wool
[12:32] <jcwinnie> It shrank
[12:32] <mdke> you'll need a smaller screen. But try #ubuntu for this sort of help
[12:32] <jcwinnie> there are 900 people on #ubuntu
[12:32] <Fujitsu> Only 900? A slow day.
[12:32] <mdke> all the better for finding the answer
[12:32] <jcwinnie> and I did search the community & wiki first
[12:33] <jcwinnie> right
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[11:36] <linpp> i need a launchpad admin
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[11:50] <linpp> hello, i registered at ubuntu launchpad before but i can't remember my password and my email server looks broken so i can't retrieve the password again
[11:51] <linpp> is there anyone that could help me by putting some basic password and pm'img for it?
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[02:23] <karderio> For the fix-it Fridays, after to Matthew Revel's blog post on this, the one crucial improvement I would like to see in launchpad is it's release as free software. I have researched your position on this a little, and I respect you decisions, but as you are asking for feedback this is the one major problem I see with launchpad. I expect many people share this view, and would be happily helping you make Launchpad great if it was free softwa
[02:23] <karderio> re. Is it not possible that doing the work needed to free launchpad could one day become one of your priorities ?
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[03:12] <mdke> karderio: you might not catch Matthew at the weekend - best thing is to respond in the ways specified in his blog post
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[03:14] <Hobbsee> mdke: which was here, iirc
[03:14] <Hobbsee> however, it's not friday in *any* timezone.  in fact, it's sunday here
[03:15] <karderio> mdke: Thanks, I shall mail him
[03:16] <karderio> Yes, IRC was mentioned in the post, it seemed the easiest way to get some quick feedback before researching the issue more
[03:17] <mdke> Hobbsee: I believe he mentioned contacting *him* by irc, yes. However, he's not online
[03:17] <Hobbsee> mdke: true that
[03:17] <karderio> Maybe somebody here could provide me with pointers : is this an issue (freeing Launchpad) that is open to discussion, or is everybody fed up of people ranting about this ?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Heres how it works:
[03:18] <Hobbsee>    1. Join us in #launchpad on irc.freenode.net.
[03:18] <Hobbsee>    2. Either ping me - matthewrevell - or tell the channel what your requested fix is.
[03:18] <Hobbsee>    3. Use whatever means necessary to persuade a Launchpad developer they want to work on it.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> mdke: ^ There you go
[03:18] <mdke> Hobbsee: that's the Friday details, starting on January 5th
[03:19] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:19] <mdke> Were always keen to hear what Launchpad users want - seriously, Skype me (matthewrevell), email me (my first and last name at canonical.com) or ring me (mail me for the PSTN or SIP number
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[03:19] <mdke> karderio: maybe a bit of both. The launchpad developers are all committed to free software, but LP is not yet ready.
[03:20] <mdke> also, no doubt it depends a bit on management ;)
[03:21] <karderio> mdke: I'm sure it does ;)
[03:23] <mdke> I think it makes sense that LP isn't free yet. However, I'd like to see a clear statement on why LP isn't free (I filed a bug about it)
[03:23] <mdke> from the people that actually make that decision
[03:35] <karderio> From what I gather, it seems they could do with a little help (who couldn't ?), and they would surely get much help by releasing Launchpad as free software, in fact I would expect that this project could easily create a vibrant community around it. It seems that they are claiming that they are unwilling to free the software, because they want the distribution management part of it to remain proprietary, and this is currently a major coher
[03:35] <karderio> ent part of the software (according to their FAQ).
[03:36] <Hobbsee> karderio: i suspect that part of it is that they'd have lots of people trying to do lots of development on one thing, with lots of ideas, and pulling into lots of directions.  that wouldnt work so well
[03:36] <mdke> my own theory is that the goal of LP (bringing many projects into the same place to collaborate) would be subverted by releasing it as free software before it is fully mature. For me that outweighs any need for help they have, because I know the developers they have on board are excellent
[03:38] <karderio> Hobbsee: Possibly , and I quite understand. That does seem a little like saying that they are unable to manage a community though...
[03:39] <mdke> karderio: feel free to comment on/subscribe to bug 55486
[03:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55486 in launchpad "FAQ should address why LP is not yet free software" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55486 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[03:40] <karderio> mdke: quite possibly, but surely this could, at least theoretically, be managed by carefully planning what is allowed into the stable production system...
[03:41] <mdke> karderio: no. Making it free software would mean that any project could go off an run LP on its own server. At the moment, LP doesn't include any ability for such projects to collaborate. Launchpad would stop being a launch pad
[03:42] <mdke> when it can handle that sort of problem, it's my belief that it will gradually become free software
[03:42] <karderio> mdke: I see, that seems reasonable then
[03:42] <mdke> but, as I say, I don't work for Canonical and don't know if this is the true reason or not
[03:42] <Hobbsee> md
[03:42] <Hobbsee> mdke: yes, but you hang around here, so seem important :P
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[03:44] <karderio> although people can already go off and just run something else... if they were running LP and kept current versions, surely in the end, things would end up working...
[03:45] <mdke> who knows
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[03:48] <karderio> mdke: perhaps matthewrevell knows, I really should mail him ;)
[03:49] <karderio> Anyhow, I really would like to be able to use a free platform to host my projects, Rosetta could be great for GNOME too, especially the GDP. I don't think a promise and waiting "potentially, years" will encourage much involvement somehow.
[03:49] <mdke> well, they can use it now, if they want to
[03:49] <mdke> it's very good software
[03:50] <mdke> anyway, matthew will certainly know, or if not, will be able to ask.
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[03:50] <karderio> mdke: I don't think the community would like to use software for which they don't even have the source. I certainly would vote against it...
[03:52] <mdke> fair enough
[03:52] <karderio> I'm planning an article (I have many started, few finished and hardly any published) on Free software project management systems such as sourceforge, google code, LP... I would really like to be able to call LP the clear winner
[03:52] <mdke> bbl
[03:53] <karderio> ATM though, it's basically in much the same bag as the others...
[03:54] <karderio> mdke, Hobbsee: bye
[03:55] <mhb> by the way: today is not Fix-it Friday anymore (change the topic)
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[07:09] <mantiena> Hi all
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