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| gouki | Hi! Anyone online? | 02:18 |
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| BHSPitLappy | yo | 02:29 |
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| nysosym | hi all | 11:44 |
| nysosym | what do u think, that frank will leave the art team? :-/ | 11:45 |
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| nysosym | hi andreasn | 11:53 |
| andreasn | hey nysosym | 11:54 |
| andreasn | what's up? | 11:54 |
| nysosym | frank will leave the artwork team :-/ | 11:54 |
| andreasn | ah, yes, he posted some mail to the ubuntu-art list, right? | 11:55 |
| nysosym | yes | 11:55 |
| nysosym | that make's me sadly :-( | 11:55 |
| andreasn | I get e-mail all the time about people signing off the artwork-team thing (from launchpad?) | 11:58 |
| nysosym | andreasn: so far as i know, completely. He will be the community manager | 12:06 |
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| klepas | elkbuntu: you're here too | 03:14 |
| elkbuntu | klepas, yes, i am | 03:15 |
| klepas | how are you holding up? | 03:15 |
| elkbuntu | good. yourself? | 03:15 |
| klepas | so-so | 03:15 |
| klepas | few things bothering me | 03:15 |
| klepas | other things are good | 03:15 |
| klepas | merry xmas btw :) | 03:16 |
| elkbuntu | same to you :) | 03:16 |
| klepas | i think i've done what Frank has done | 03:17 |
| klepas | though lacking a long explanatory email | 03:17 |
| elkbuntu | heh | 03:17 |
| mhb | klepas: you could have done better :o) | 03:33 |
| mhb | klepas: I guess informing the public about the situtation and trying to change it would be a better solution | 03:33 |
| klepas | it's sort useless when i've effectively done what Frank has done, minus the email, from around almost 2 release cycles ago | 03:35 |
| mhb | klepas: but if you know the whole story I guess you know there's something rotten with the Artwork Team management | 03:37 |
| mhb | klepas: blogging about it doesn't hurt | 03:38 |
| klepas | i can't be arsed doing that either | 03:38 |
| klepas | by now i'm somewhat out of touch of the more recent happenings | 03:38 |
| klepas | and i don't want to put flamebait on the net | 03:38 |
| mhb | klepas: your choice | 03:39 |
| klepas | i'll probably just end up making comments regarding how mark hired people rather than going to the community | 03:40 |
| klepas | and how ubuntu uses human | 03:40 |
| klepas | no sources, made by some contracted chaps using proprietary tools | 03:40 |
| klepas | then the whole crap about trying to reform the art team to work like some design studio | 03:41 |
| klepas | with design specs no one can be honestly bothered reading | 03:42 |
| klepas | i can't honestly be bothered at the moment | 03:43 |
| mhb | klepas: trying to rationalize the artwork doesn't look like a bad idea to me | 03:43 |
| klepas | maybe after the new year | 03:43 |
| klepas | or rather after LCA | 03:43 |
| klepas | that will probably boost my interest in foss again | 03:43 |
| klepas | mhb: not when it ends up hindering creativity | 03:44 |
| klepas | there are lots of designers and art-sy people who hate, loathe reading specs | 03:44 |
| klepas | who just want to dable and then see how well it is received | 03:44 |
| klepas | i dunno | 03:46 |
| klepas | two sided blade | 03:46 |
| mhb | klepas: sure, but don't forget that artwork for an OS is not pure art | 03:46 |
| klepas | yea | 03:46 |
| mhb | klepas: you can't experiment that much | 03:46 |
| mhb | klepas: you have to consider what the user will think - and that's where specifications starts | 03:47 |
| klepas | experimenting is the way to go, whether it makes it in or not is another thing | 03:47 |
| klepas | trying new ideas is not bad | 03:47 |
| klepas | the whole "we must make it look entirely the same, even if it's shite" philosophy personally annoys me after a while | 03:48 |
| klepas | but overall the biggest was the marks abandonment | 03:48 |
| klepas | not that i've not contributed | 03:48 |
| klepas | but yea | 03:48 |
| klepas | i'll be back in a while to come | 03:48 |
| klepas | maybe 30 minutes | 03:48 |
| mhb | okay | 03:49 |
| troy_s | Look | 03:58 |
| troy_s | we need to spec the artwork | 03:58 |
| troy_s | what you are seeing happen now is _exactly_ what happens without a spec | 03:58 |
| troy_s | further, if you look to the quality of work that actually _does_ get done, it often suffers from inconsistencies and similar traits that simply are avoided by design guidelines and such | 03:59 |
| troy_s | if you can't be bothered to treat art and design as a formal process and not some leisurely hobby based element, | 03:59 |
| troy_s | then it probably isn't wise to attempt and develop bits for something. | 03:59 |
| troy_s | there are lots of designers and art-sy people who hate, loathe reading specs | 03:59 |
| troy_s | <klepas> who just want to dable and then see how well it is received | 03:59 |
| troy_s | rubbish | 03:59 |
| troy_s | there are lots of talented, trained, professional artists and designers who would love to work on free software | 04:00 |
| troy_s | but loathe the haphazard design decisions, the poor implementation strategies, and the awful 'dabbly' appearance of most work. | 04:00 |
| troy_s | 2 cents. | 04:01 |
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| msikma | I think that the interface design of many Linux apps also have got to do with it. | 04:30 |
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