=== klepas [n=klepas@60-242-104-119.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === andreasn_ [n=andreas@h37n1fls31o839.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === gouki [n=gouki@unaffiliated/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:18] Hi! Anyone online? [02:29] yo === mhb 's tired, but here === gouki [n=gouki@unaffiliated/gouki] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@60-242-104-119.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === mhb [n=mhb@ubuntu/member/mhb] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === UbuntuStats [n=StatsBot@unaffiliated/ubuntustats] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@60-242-104-119.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@adsl-65-67-112-52.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PseudoPlacebo [n=Placebo@user-0ceveb4.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Trae [n=october@ip24-252-207-46.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === benanzo [n=dors_80@c-71-197-165-27.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === mhb_ [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@adsl-65-67-112-52.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === msikma [n=Msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nysosym [n=nysosym@p54B7B868.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:44] hi all [11:45] what do u think, that frank will leave the art team? :-/ === andreasn [n=andreas@h37n1fls31o839.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:53] hi andreasn [11:54] hey nysosym [11:54] what's up? [11:54] frank will leave the artwork team :-/ [11:55] ah, yes, he posted some mail to the ubuntu-art list, right? [11:55] yes [11:55] that make's me sadly :-( [11:58] I get e-mail all the time about people signing off the artwork-team thing (from launchpad?) [12:06] andreasn: so far as i know, completely. He will be the community manager === AndyFit1 [n=AndyFitz@220-245-97-227.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFit1 [n=AndyFitz@220-245-97-227.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] [03:14] elkbuntu: you're here too [03:15] klepas, yes, i am [03:15] how are you holding up? [03:15] good. yourself? [03:15] so-so [03:15] few things bothering me [03:15] other things are good [03:16] merry xmas btw :) [03:16] same to you :) [03:17] i think i've done what Frank has done [03:17] though lacking a long explanatory email [03:17] heh [03:33] klepas: you could have done better :o) [03:33] klepas: I guess informing the public about the situtation and trying to change it would be a better solution [03:35] it's sort useless when i've effectively done what Frank has done, minus the email, from around almost 2 release cycles ago [03:37] klepas: but if you know the whole story I guess you know there's something rotten with the Artwork Team management [03:38] klepas: blogging about it doesn't hurt [03:38] i can't be arsed doing that either [03:38] by now i'm somewhat out of touch of the more recent happenings [03:38] and i don't want to put flamebait on the net [03:39] klepas: your choice [03:40] i'll probably just end up making comments regarding how mark hired people rather than going to the community [03:40] and how ubuntu uses human [03:40] no sources, made by some contracted chaps using proprietary tools [03:41] then the whole crap about trying to reform the art team to work like some design studio [03:42] with design specs no one can be honestly bothered reading [03:43] i can't honestly be bothered at the moment [03:43] klepas: trying to rationalize the artwork doesn't look like a bad idea to me [03:43] maybe after the new year [03:43] or rather after LCA [03:43] that will probably boost my interest in foss again [03:44] mhb: not when it ends up hindering creativity [03:44] there are lots of designers and art-sy people who hate, loathe reading specs [03:44] who just want to dable and then see how well it is received [03:46] i dunno [03:46] two sided blade [03:46] klepas: sure, but don't forget that artwork for an OS is not pure art [03:46] yea [03:46] klepas: you can't experiment that much [03:47] klepas: you have to consider what the user will think - and that's where specifications starts [03:47] experimenting is the way to go, whether it makes it in or not is another thing [03:47] trying new ideas is not bad [03:48] the whole "we must make it look entirely the same, even if it's shite" philosophy personally annoys me after a while [03:48] but overall the biggest was the marks abandonment [03:48] not that i've not contributed [03:48] but yea [03:48] i'll be back in a while to come [03:48] maybe 30 minutes [03:49] okay [03:58] Look [03:58] we need to spec the artwork [03:58] what you are seeing happen now is _exactly_ what happens without a spec [03:59] further, if you look to the quality of work that actually _does_ get done, it often suffers from inconsistencies and similar traits that simply are avoided by design guidelines and such [03:59] if you can't be bothered to treat art and design as a formal process and not some leisurely hobby based element, [03:59] then it probably isn't wise to attempt and develop bits for something. [03:59] there are lots of designers and art-sy people who hate, loathe reading specs [03:59] who just want to dable and then see how well it is received [03:59] rubbish [04:00] there are lots of talented, trained, professional artists and designers who would love to work on free software [04:00] but loathe the haphazard design decisions, the poor implementation strategies, and the awful 'dabbly' appearance of most work. [04:01] 2 cents. === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:30] I think that the interface design of many Linux apps also have got to do with it. === msikma [n=Msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PseudoPlacebo [n=Placebo@user-0ceveb4.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === UbuntuSt1ts [n=StatsBot@bl4-191-101.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === RoCa [n=algenis@reserved-229-22.tricom.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Leaving"] === msikma [n=Msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === effraie [n=effraie@jem75-1-82-228-146-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork