[12:12] <smithj> thanks
[12:15] <cjwatson> in the case of a new upstream, it contains our diff against the corresponding base version in Debian rather than against the previous version in Ubuntu
[12:16] <cjwatson> this tends to be more useful if you're just trying to monitor what Ubuntu developers are doing; if you actually want the true diff in Ubuntu every time, contact Scott James Remnant and see if you can work something out
[12:18] <smithj> cjwatson: i'm mainly just monitoring
[12:18] <smithj> trying to keep abreast of what the major distros are doing, etc
[12:20] <cjwatson> good luck keeping up, then :)
[12:22] <cjwatson> hmm, interesting, it doesn't pick up on Ubuntu-native packages without *ubuntu* version numbers
=== cjwatson mails Scott about that; that's kind of annoying for e.g. ubiquity
[12:23] <Fujitsu> I also note that MoM does funny stuff, like mailing the PTS with `New upstream version' even if it isn't one.
[12:26] <cjwatson> Fujitsu: it means upstream relative to Ubuntu, i.e. a new base version from Debian
[12:26] <cjwatson> there are multiple levels of upstreamishness in the modern distro world ...
[12:26] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[12:26] <Fujitsu> OK.
[12:27] <cjwatson> I agree the terminology is a bit confusing when mailing Debian lists, though. Do you want to mail Scott and suggest that it should be "New base version" or something?
[12:31] <Fujitsu> That sounds better, as it is mailing Debian, and it's not upstream to them.
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[12:50] <Seveas> keescook, ping
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[01:21] <sladen> mdke: pong?
[01:22] <sladen> mdke: could you ask the question you and T` were after, I didn't get the full highlight.
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[01:27] <mdke> sladen: I believe mjg59 handled it, it was something about Gnome volume control hotkeys
[01:27] <mdke> sladen: sounded like he wanted to implement something similar for xfce
[01:34] <sladen> mdke: gotcha, thanks
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[02:17] <keescook> Seveas: distant pong.  what's up?
[02:18] <Seveas> keescook, about the USN RSS feed
[02:18] <Seveas> it moved to http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/usn.xml
[02:19] <keescook> ah, very cool.  People keep asking about one, so I'm gonna send them that way until there is an "official" one.  :)  thanks!
[02:21] <Seveas> keescook, might as well make that one official if you mirror is on *.ubuntu.com or let me upload there ;)
[02:21] <Seveas> s/is/it/
[02:21] <keescook> Seveas: yeah, it's a bit out of my hands, though.  :)
[02:22] <Burgundavia> given the website is currently up for discussion right now, we should be able to do something liek that on the new one
[02:25] <bhale> hi all
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[02:27] <keescook> Burgundavia: yawp
[02:27] <keescook> hiya bhale
[02:28] <grimeboy> Since icecast1 is deprecated to the extent that it doesn't receive bugfixes and is a bloated [self censorship]  should it not be removed from the repos?
[02:28] <grimeboy> WOr should this go in #ubuntu-motu
[02:28] <grimeboy> -W
[02:28] <grimeboy> +?
[02:29] <grimeboy> Assuming yes since it's in universe. Sorry.
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[03:06] <avis> merry christmas to all ubuntu developers :)   
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[03:20] <Burgundavia> lamont: in edgy or feisty?
[03:20] <lamont> edgy.
[03:21] <lamont> more to the point, how do I trigger /etc/event.d/ttyS1 :)
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[07:09] <pluto> Anyone around?
[07:10] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:10] <pluto> I got told to come here to see if anyone knew about how to fix a make clean error I'm getting
[07:11] <pluto> I've removed and reinstalled the headers, but when I go to make clean, I get scripts/Makefile.clean:17: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic/drivers/infiniband/ulp/srp/Makefile: No such file or directory
[07:13] <pluto> Any ideas?
[07:13] <Burgundavia> nope
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[01:27] <tiglionabbit2> hello.  I would like to know what the process is to get a package added to the repositories?
[01:29] <tsmithe> tiglionabbit2, look on the wiki
[01:29] <tiglionabbit2> um, what part?
[01:29] <tsmithe> hang on
[01:29] <tsmithe> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New
[01:32] <tiglionabbit2> what if our request is to update a very old packageL
[01:32] <tiglionabbit2> the ruby interpreter, specifically
[01:35] <Chipzz> tiglionabbit2: you file a sync request
[01:35] <tiglionabbit2> and how do I do that?
[01:35] <Chipzz> it's somewhere on the wiki
[01:36] <Chipzz> but frankly, I can't believe ruby would be *that* much out-of-date? :)
[01:36] <tiglionabbit2> it's two years old
[01:36] <tiglionabbit2> well, 3 now
[01:36] <_ion> It's the same version as in Debian.
[01:37] <_ion>    ruby1.8 | 1.8.5-4ubuntu1 | http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Sources
[01:37] <_ion>    ruby1.8 |    1.8.5-4 | http://ftp.fi.debian.org sid/main Sources
[01:38] <_ion> In edgy, it's 1.8.4, which isn't very old either.
[01:38] <tiglionabbit2> oh whoops, it's called ruby1.8
[01:38] <tiglionabbit2> my bad
[01:40] <Chipzz> tiglionabbit2: there's even ruby1.9
[01:40] <Chipzz> but then, I'm running feisty; maybe bot on edgy
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[01:42] <_ion> 1.9 is the ever-changing development version towards 2.0, it's not intended to be used in production.
[01:43] <tiglionabbit2> why does "ruby" point at the 1.8.2 version?
[01:43] <Chipzz> I didn't say he had to; I was just pointing it out to prove that ruby is not out-of-date ;)
[01:43] <_ion> It's just a metapackage. dpkg -L ruby, apt-cache depends ruby
[01:44] <tiglionabbit2> oh, you're correct
[01:44] <_ion> ...or just apt-cache show ruby :-)
[01:44] <Chipzz> tiglionabbit2: for the record, "ruby" points at the "ruby1.8" package , not the 1.8.2 version ;)
[01:44] <tiglionabbit2> weird that it would have the old version number then
[01:44] <Chipzz> subtle difference
[01:45] <_ion> Its version number doesn't really matter at all. It just happened to be created when the version of Ruby was 1.8.2
[01:46] <tiglionabbit2> =]  thanks
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[07:35] <surfbuddy> is it cumpulsory to go through the gparted thing while installing ubuntu ???
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[07:36] <surfbuddy> looks like  a bug while trying to install ubuntu - ( installer hangs when i use the set time button )
[07:38] <cjwatson> known
[07:38] <cjwatson> gparted> that or autopartitioning, or the alternate install CD
[07:38] <cjwatson> hope to get rid of gparted for advanced partitioning once I've finished writing the replacement
[07:41] <surfbuddy> whner i press the set time button the installer hangs and i have to reboot or relog to continue
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[07:41] <cjwatson> yes, that's known I'm afraid
[07:41] <cjwatson> don't do that :-)
[07:42] <cjwatson> "Set time..." is just a nicety and it's been too much trouble so I'll probably just remove that button at some point
[07:42] <cjwatson> you can always set the time using the usual desktop facilities after installation if necessary
[07:42] <surfbuddy> cjwatson, yes .. no problem
[07:42] <surfbuddy> cjwatson, another thing.... ( writing )
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[07:44] <surfbuddy> cjwatson, i already have an ext3 formatted parititon on /dev/sda1 
[07:44] <surfbuddy> while going through the installer, ( which i forcibly have to ) , i create a ext3 on sda1 and swap on sda6
[07:45] <surfbuddy> but it always throws an error that ext3 format failed !
[07:45] <surfbuddy> can it be something related to the clock speed ( usb 1.1 or usb 2.0 )
[07:45] <cjwatson> no
[07:46] <cjwatson> file a bug at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug and attach /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman
[07:46] <cjwatson> this channel is for developer coordination rather than support
[07:46] <surfbuddy> would do it.
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