[02:53] <jldugger-tablet> quick check before I dig through launchpad: is acpi mostly broken in feisty?
[02:56] <jldugger-tablet> damn its annoying to have the brightness low
[02:59] <Burgundavia> jldugger-tablet: bugs in laptops are usually very hardware specific
[02:59] <jldugger-tablet> true
[02:59] <jldugger-tablet> looks like Im getting APIC errors =/
[03:01] <jldugger-tablet> aha
[03:02] <jldugger-tablet> found the bug. sounds like an easy fix (upgrade toshiba_acpi.c); maybe i should investigate why toshiba_acpi is a common culprit. is it not in the main tree?
[03:12] <mjg59> No, but it has nothing to do with APIC
[03:19] <jldugger-tablet> i didnt really mean to imply the two were related
[03:20] <mjg59> Ah, ok
[03:20] <mjg59> Hm. Looks like toshiba_acpi is missing the Ubuntu-specific patch.
[03:20] <mjg59> I'll chase Ben about that.
[03:21] <jldugger-tablet> since ive got an ear, who does the wacom stuff?
[03:21] <mjg59> Me
[03:21] <mjg59> Though I haven't had time to touch it lately
[03:21] <jldugger-tablet> understandable
[03:21] <mjg59> For tablet machines, it should Just Work if you install the wacom-tools package
[03:21] <jldugger-tablet> convertable
[03:21] <jldugger-tablet> it Mostly Just Works
[03:22] <mjg59> Ok
[03:22] <mjg59> What's up, then? :)
[03:22] <jldugger-tablet> ive got a Tecra M7; you can convert the screen to a tablet
[03:22] <jldugger-tablet> basically rotate the screen 180 degrees
[03:23] <mjg59> Yeah
[03:23] <jldugger-tablet> im not sure what's up exactly, but rotating the screen screws up the input
[03:23] <mjg59> So pretty standard
[03:23] <mjg59> Yes
[03:23] <mjg59> The input rotation isn't tied into the screen rotation
[03:23] <mjg59> I keep meaning to look into that
[03:23] <jldugger-tablet> people are saying the new version solves it
[03:23] <mjg59> xwacomcfg (or whatever it's called) should let you change that
[03:24] <mjg59> If it does, it's not mentioned in the changelog
[03:24] <jldugger-tablet> i have no idea what it's called
[03:24] <mjg59> xsetwacom
[03:24] <jldugger-tablet> yea, there's new options
[03:24] <mjg59> The rotation options are in our one
[03:24] <jldugger-tablet> xsetwacom -blah HALF
[03:25] <mjg59> Hm
[03:25] <mjg59> Though there's reasonably compelling reasons to update to the newer code anyway
[03:25] <mjg59> They've merged button support
[03:25] <jldugger-tablet> yes. i hear it works with USB hotplugging or something
[03:25] <mjg59> Through indescribably ugly hacks
[03:25] <jldugger-tablet> does debian's package really suck or something?
[03:26] <mjg59> We'll have input hotplug for feisty
[03:26] <mjg59> And be able to avoid this
[03:28] <jldugger-tablet> ive got a script set up to do the rotation, but none of the options for input work. i guess xrandr rotates input as well or something, so even adding in a fix to wacom-tools would be a hack to work around a broken assumption in xrandr
[03:28] <mjg59> xrandr doesn't rotate input
[03:28] <jldugger-tablet> then why would i need to rotate input at all?
[03:28] <mjg59> Well, not in the way you expect in this casde
[03:29] <mjg59> You touch the tablet in the top left corner. The driver reports (0,0).
[03:29] <mjg59>  But because you've rotated the screen, (0,0) is no longer the same corner as far as the display is concerned
[03:35] <jldugger-tablet> so logical vs absolute coordinates
[03:51] <mjg59> Yes
[03:55] <jldugger-tablet> expanding tables in the current wiki kinda sucks =/
[03:57] <Fujitsu> Adding extra columns, you mean?
[03:57] <jldugger-tablet> yea
[03:58] <Fujitsu> Yeah, I've only had to do that once (adding a Feisty column to my LaptopTestingTeam page).
[03:58] <Fujitsu> But that did suck.
[04:02] <jldugger-tablet> it'll be even worse when the next release comes out
[04:03] <jldugger-tablet> my plan is to keep an LTS column, a stable column and a testing / development column
[04:11] <jldugger-tablet> maybe i'll write a script or something that takes a spreadsheet and converts to wikiML
[04:18] <Fujitsu> That's what I've done since the start of Feisty (LTS, stable, dev)
[04:20] <jldugger-tablet> i just installed feisty last night
[04:20] <jldugger-tablet> so do you have an agreement with Fujitsu, or just like em a lot?
[04:21] <Fujitsu> I've had Feisty installed since... early November, I think.
[04:21] <Fujitsu> Neither.
[04:21] <jldugger-tablet> ive had other priorities, like passing classes
[04:22] <Fujitsu> Well, I need to test stuff I upload, so it's sort of a requirement.
[04:23] <jldugger-tablet> heh
[04:23] <Fujitsu> Uploading broken stuff to the archive is sort of not a good idea :P
[04:23] <jldugger-tablet> aww, you wouldnt be the first
[04:23] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[04:23] <jldugger-tablet> but with great power comes great responsibility
[04:25] <jldugger-tablet> for some reason, i thought network manager was gonna disable the keyring crap
[04:25] <Fujitsu> Not yet, I think that's scheduled for 0.7.
[04:30] <jldugger-tablet> seems so. wonder when NM.7 is planned for release
[04:30] <jldugger-tablet> in time for feisty i hope
[04:30] <Fujitsu> I believe so.
[07:47] <jldugger-tablet> well color me surprised. hibernate worked
[07:47] <jldugger-tablet> with nvidia binaries, no less
[07:49] <jldugger-tablet> and irc didnt even time out.
[02:04] <merlin-linux> humbug to you all
[10:08] <paulg57> hi all