PriceChildJackBandit, still there?12:01
reconnever mind, I used timidity.12:01
un_operateurfromvega, if you down one interface it can't be pinged ;) work on that basis ;)12:01
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_fnordhow do i get sound working on a laptop?in kubuntu the problem is that he external ampifyer in kmix is turned on and other stuff turned down or muted12:02
eriksaysn2diy: true.  so firefox was crashing on you too?  i did read it looks related to the new flash plugin12:02
qoqI am trying to mount an NTFS partition from a Dapper Livecd, I made a windows director under /media and mounted it there, Now I can not cd into that mount or view contents graphically.. what am i doing wrong??12:02
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Nontitleeriksays: going to gmail.com will crash it12:02
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eriksaysnontitle: here's a nice one.  going to gmail crashes opera, too12:03
n2diyeriksays: Fiirefox worked fine for me, then I tried to install the plugins, and Dapper crashed and burned.12:03
Goshahow do i make programs to start with X?12:03
eriksaysn2diy: so the whole system crashed?12:03
fromvegaun_operateur: but man... you didn't understand. 2 NICs=> 1st connected, 2nd disconnected: ping both! 1st disconnected, 2nd connected: ping none!12:03
eriksaysn2diy: not just firefox12:03
Gosha.. or more like .. how do i set environmal variables?12:03
Nontitlethe thing is, using the epiphany browser, which uses the Gecko engine, doesn't crash at all12:03
n2diyeriksays: Yes, it was a bare metal recover, total re-install.12:04
eriksaysNontitle: does the epiphany browser run flash?12:04
eriksaysNontitle: or have a plugin, i mean12:04
ubotuChinese, Japanese, Korean Language input. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SCIM12:04
qoqanyone get my earlier post? this should be pretty simple.. mounting an NTFS from a livecd12:04
Nontitleits a bit more bare than firefox but it's still okay12:04
fromvegaun_operateur: shoudn't at least the one connected be pingable?12:04
Nontitleit has tabs and everything12:04
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eriksaysNontitle, i do like firefox, especially the google notebooks plugin12:05
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cyphase_what's the command to view log on/off history12:05
Nontitlei like the adblock extension12:05
masterkhow do I skip a hard drive test?12:05
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Nontitlemasterk: you can't12:05
un_operateurfromvega, I dont really understand what you want -- at a local machine, an ifconfig lists both IP address and MAC addresses for all interfaces, at a remote machine, you know the ip address and mac addresses too -- if you ping a remote ip address, the interface with an ip address in that subnet is used12:05
Nontitlemasterk: how big is your hard drive?12:06
n2diycyphase_: your logs are in /var/log, any editor should be able to read them.12:06
masterkwell i know my hard drive is fine12:06
masterkit is 20gb12:06
Nontitleit's just a thing that ubuntu does12:06
_fnordis best to still check12:06
cyphasen2diy: there's a command for it, i just can't remember it12:06
Nontitlei have a 20gb hd too, thats cool12:06
`richcyphase, last -10 to view the most recent 10 logins.12:06
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masterkbut linux says its bad12:06
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eriksaysNontitle: n2diy: thanks for the help, downloading epiphany now12:06
_fnordmine only takes a couples minutes out of my life every 2 months12:06
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kr0n1xhi, merry christmas...btw...someone know how to delete a tiscali account??? (email...)12:07
cyphase`rich: that's it, thanx12:07
n2diycyphase, I don't know of any command to do it, I just start up gedit, and open them.12:07
Nontitlecool, i actally helped someone lol12:07
benjkwhat's the deb package name for libssl?12:07
Nontitlesudo apt-get install libssl*12:07
cyphasen2diy: see `rich's comment12:07
benjktried that, didn't work12:07
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benjkPackage libssl is not available, but is referred to by another package.12:08
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Goshaokay, then what kind of programs can i use to input japanese?12:08
bodhiAny advice on getting a MP3 Cd to play ?12:08
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n2diycyphase: or you could use system-admin-system log, roger Rich's command, never used that before.12:08
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bodhiI keep getting an error "device does not exist"12:08
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Nontitlelibssl0.9.7 and libssl0.9.812:09
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namewhere is xorgconf12:09
Flew /etx/X11/xorg.conf12:10
Nontitle /etc/X11/xorg.conf12:10
Flew-etx +etc12:10
namenah the tool12:10
Goshagah, then. how do i use scim?12:10
alecjwname:  you mean xconf? sudo aptitude install xconf12:10
Nontitlenvidia-xconfig? possibly?12:10
benjkseems I have libssl098 but12:10
benjkcollect2: ld returned 1 exit status12:10
`richxorgconfig is what he's after I think12:10
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_fnorddoes anyone else see a large speed diffrence between kubuntu and ubuntu?12:10
Nontitleoh nvm12:10
benjk/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lssl12:10
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benjkcollect2: ld returned 1 exit status12:10
`rich_fnord, yeah I find ubuntu much faster, personally.12:10
sirk-how do you setup apache that all traffic gets encrypted with ssl? (I already installed ssl)12:11
Nontitle_fnord: i have both installed, i see no difference12:11
`richit's probably a case of KDE vs. Gnome on different hardware12:11
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dv5237name sudo find / -name xorgconf12:11
fromvegaun_operateur, let me try to explain better. First, I'm pinging the Linux machine from another machine in the network. The Linux machine has 2 NIC's. When I connect NIC1 to the LAN (and leave NIC2 disconnected from the LAN) I can ping both NIC1 and NIC2 from another machine. BUT when I connect NIC2 to the LAN (leaving NIC1 disconnected) I can't even ping NIC2! So I'm trying to understand why12:11
Nontitlewell not both installed, just kde and knome12:11
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Nontitlehey someone should invent knome lol12:11
namedv5237: i don't have it installed12:12
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ekimussirk-: you need to a) either listen on only port 443 or b) listen on 80 and 443 and redirect all traffic incoming on port 80 to port 443 (you also need to generate a certificate)12:12
grimboyHey, how do I find out what speed I can write dvds at?12:12
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dv5237name: sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core12:12
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hey_ianmerry christmas12:12
Nontitlehey ian12:12
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LinAsHgrimboy, k3b can tell you12:13
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grimboyLinAsH, Thanks12:13
laphawganyone running ubuntu on a thinkpad?12:13
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sirk-ekimus, ich wrde gern den traffic von 80 auf 443 redirecten12:13
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sirk-wie mache ich das am besten? geht das mit apache?12:13
_fnordNontitle: how fast is your machine?12:13
sirk-ekimus, sorry for speaking german, my mistake12:14
laphawgi can't figure out how to reactivate it when it suspends or whatever, and i have to reboot12:14
_fnord`rich: whats your computer like?ram/cpu?12:14
tom_hey guys, i've got an extra hdd in my computer, it has a bunch of permissions on it from an old comp. is there a way to mount the hdd without permissions?12:14
sirk-ekimus, I meant: how do I redirect the traffic from http:80 to https:443?12:14
neurotechmerry xmas ubuntu!12:14
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laphawgthats ok, sirk, we're watching joyeux noel here anyway12:14
Nontitleram/cpu/hd 512/1G/20G12:14
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`rich_fnord, nothing special. 512mb, 1.8ghz12:15
un_operateurfromvega, it's like this [machineA] <---> [machineB]  -- machineB will always be able to ping as long as it's up and is up -- but if you had this [machineA] <---> [machineB]  .. machineB will never be able to ping either of machineA's addresses,12:15
namedv5237: i have that already12:15
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hey_ianlaphawg: probably suspend is not supported on your machine, use the hibernate pkg12:15
dv5237name: sorry then im out op options12:15
un_operateurfromvega, the reason is -- you can only ping addresses in the same IP subnet (unless there is a router routing between the two IP networks)12:16
laphawghey_ian, thanks, i will search for info on hibernate pkg12:16
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ekimussirk-: long story short: you need 2 virtual hosts 1 listening on port 80 and have the rewriteengine activated (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/rewriteguide.html#ToC2) then redirect all requests to the same url on port 443 the other listening on port 443 which will then serve the requests12:16
hey_ianlaphawg: apt-cache search hibernate12:16
ekimussirk-: i was just wondering how you know that I do speak german :)12:17
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sirk-I just forgot speaking english ;D12:17
namecan't anybody tell me in which pkg "xorgconfig" is?12:17
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sirk-ekimus, may I query you?12:18
ernzHi everyone.12:18
kalilaI would like to talk so someone knowledgable of ubuntu's structure and mailing lists :)12:18
fromvegaun_operateur: ok, but in my case machineA NICs IPs are and, and machineB ip is They are in the same subnet aren't they?12:18
corevettehow do you install grub on windows?12:18
ernzCan someone please tell me how I can convert MP4 videos into 3GP that would work on my phone please?12:18
ekimusdoes anyone know what the HE and SE extension in the amd opteron serial numbers are for? like http://amdcompare.com/us-en/opteron/Default.aspx (see column 3 and 4 of the table for example)12:18
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Phat32Hello everyone. I am working on a machine which lost it's nvidia graphics card recently due to dust and is now using an ATI graphics card. I was wondering if anyone could explain how to remove the old nvidia driver, install the ati driver, and fix xorg.conf...12:19
ekimuserr sorry meant http://amdcompare.com/us-en/opteron/Default.aspx with the socket F option...12:19
gordonjcpPhat32: a good start would be to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf12:20
HanselPhat32 - did you install the other driver use apt-get?12:20
Hanselif so uninstall via the same method  :)12:21
Phat32gordonjcp, I'm not confident in my ability to edit it accurately, manually12:21
SymokWould anyone here be able to help me with a few network related questions?12:21
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HanselSymok - just ask and we'll all help if we know the answer.12:21
gordonjcpPhat32: tough shit, basically12:21
Phat32Hansel, no I haven't installed the ati driver yet12:21
gordonjcpPhat32: it's easy12:21
OlatheHow do I install Sun's Java 1.6 JDK (not JRE) ?12:21
PriceChild!language gordonjcp12:21
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Toulouseolathe, it might be in synaptic12:21
gordonjcpPhat32: right, there's a "default" ATI driver12:21
Goshaokay, easy one, how do i create a file in the console?12:21
corevettePhat32, uninstall in synaptic the nvidia driver, then install the ati drivers and run: sudo apt-reconfigure xserver-xortg12:21
ekimussirk-: i just queried you...12:21
gordonjcpPriceChild: go away, you prissy imbecile12:21
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corevettephat32: i mean: sudo apt-reconfigure xserver-xorg12:22
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Symokok, first: Is there a way to make windows' "always on" hard drive shares visible in the network viewer?12:22
Phat32corevette, synaptic is a graphical tool...12:22
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SeveasLjL, too slow ;)12:22
FlyingSquirrel32if I have aiglx/beryl installed on edgy, can I still use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to fix my resolution?12:22
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Wiseguyhey guys has anyone used NeroLinux?12:22
corevettei know phat3212:22
HanselWiseguy - no... but we have all used ubuntu I imagine.12:22
hey_ianWiseguy: yeah12:23
kitchePhat32: you just do sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia-glx also12:23
LjLSeveas: 'course, i'm still taken by childish full-screen platform games12:23
jugheadI have used and am using ubuntu Wiseguy12:23
WiseguyHansel, its a burning app douche12:23
Phat32corevette, How can I use a graphical tool when I can't use X12:23
corevettego into recovery mode phat3212:23
Wiseguydoes it work wel?12:23
Toulousehey this is probably obviouse, but do yall know the name of the default gnome irc client that is pre-installed in ubuntu?12:23
jugheadis it just a version of nero burning rom for linux?12:23
hey_ianWiseguy: But in comparison to k3b it is garbage!!!12:23
HanselWiseguy - sounded like a custom distro for burning (I'm familiar with Nero)  No need to speak of your mothers genitals12:23
PriceChildToulouse, gaim12:23
PriceChildToulouse, it does a lot more than irc12:23
Toulousegaim does it? oh man thanks12:23
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PriceChildToulouse, I prefer to use xchat-gnome though12:24
Toulousei knew it did aim12:24
Wiseguyhey_ian, really? k3b is better?12:24
bulmerPhat32: you can always boot off of the liveCD and then modify your /etc/X11/xorg.conf on your hard disk12:24
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Toulouseok, ill try those, thanks guys12:24
Phat32kitche, What about nvidia-kernel-common ???12:24
jugheadI like K3B for burning12:24
idlemindhas anyone used the nero software for linux yet?12:24
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un_operateurfromvega, it should always be possible to ping those addresses (even though it is not a good idea to have two interfaces have IP addresses in the same subnet) .. I cant really say unless I know how the physical setup of your network is structured12:24
SeveasLjL, I have a better game, figthing IE :/12:24
Phat32bulmer, I like that idea12:24
kitchePhat32: have to remove that as well I tend to use aptitude since it follows dependencies12:24
hey_ianWiseguy: of course, it has the same functions like nero, but is integrated better and is open source!!!12:24
PriceChildidlemind, what's wrong with gnomebaker?12:24
FlyingSquirrel32 can I still use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg with beryl installed?12:24
PriceChildFlyingSquirrel32, yes12:24
PriceChildFlyingSquirrel32, but don't expect beryl to work afterwards12:25
FlyingSquirrel32PriceChild: nice.12:25
LjLSeveas: IE as in the browser?12:25
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fromvegaun_operateur: so one NIC might be down if it's connected but I can't ping it?12:25
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LjLSeveas: as in who-cares-if-ubuntu-nl.org-doesn't-quite-render-on-it?12:26
FlyingSquirrel32PriceChild: I set a machine up for someone and when they took it home their monitor doesn't do the resolution it was set at. how can I lower the resolution so it can start?12:26
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juanchito2006Hello, I've got an strange issue while the ubuntu's startup gets blank until the logon screen12:26
PriceChildFlyingSquirrel32, you could manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to remove the other resolutions?12:26
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juanchito2006It seems out of frequency12:27
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juanchito2006How can I fix it12:27
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FlyingSquirrel32PriceChild: never done that before, but I guess it's time to learn how. Thanks.12:27
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PriceChildFlyingSquirrel32, make a backup! :)12:27
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bulmerfor those that are using NVidia whats the "Driver" name you have set in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf? mine is "nv" is that optimum?12:28
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PriceChild!nvidia | bulmer12:28
ubotubulmer: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto12:28
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toulousei have a question, if i try to play a .mov or .avi or some other quicktime-ish format, it just tries with totem-or kaffeine then says it couldnt play it12:28
erUSUL!nvidia | bulmer12:28
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un_operateurfromvega, It probably is because MachineB is confused about where exactly which address is after you switch them around -- maybe you need to flush out the arp cache on machineB to get it working again12:28
kitchebulmer: nv is the open source version of nvidia made by X.org12:28
Bas|Khey all12:28
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Greevoustoulouse you should have the right codecs installed first12:28
FlyingSquirrel32PriceChild: ok, thanks.12:29
Greevoustoulouse: or perhaps the plugins12:29
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un_operateurfromvega, and/or restart the networking daemon on machineA12:29
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bulmerkitche: curious as to which do you use for this NVidia?12:29
toulouseummm i  havent installed any diff. codecs12:29
toulouseshould i go to synaptic12:29
SymokI like this interface better12:29
Bas|K http://tinyurl.com/yfqmr912:29
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Greevoustoulouse: i use automatix to get some of those12:29
PriceChild!codecs | toulouse12:29
ubotutoulouse: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats12:29
Greevousit seemed to work for me12:29
kitchebulmer: I use nvidia driver sicne I like direct rendering and I play tremulous once in a while12:29
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PriceChild!automatix | Greevous12:30
ubotuGreevous: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe12:30
FlyingSquirrel32PriceChild: ok, so it looks pretty simple, just remove the resolutions we don't want... anything else I should know before I should go?12:30
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PriceChildFlyingSquirrel32, make sure you've already made a backup12:30
GreevousAutomatix has always worked for me and my friend12:30
FlyingSquirrel32ok. ciao.12:30
Greevousand since it has plug-ins...12:30
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bulmerkitche: that "sicne" something that came with your video card cdrom or something you download from their site to optimize your video?12:30
trev_ok, if i want to make a shared network folder on my computer for my lan can anyone tell me how to do that?12:30
PriceChild!WorksForMe | Greevous12:30
ubotuGreevous: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.12:30
SurfnKidHo Ho Ho, Merry Christmas12:30
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Greevousubotu: i understand12:31
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kitchebulmer: install nvidia-glx from synaptic then open upa  terminal and type sudo nvidia-glx-config enable then restart X with ctrl+alt+backspace12:31
PriceChildGreevous, ubotu is a bot12:31
SymokWould anyone know why I can access network shares on other(windows) computers, but I can't ping them by their LAN IPs?12:31
PriceChild!nvidia | bulmer12:31
ubotubulmer: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto12:31
bulmerkitche: thanks12:31
ink251how do I pass options to the ipw2200 wireless module built into the kernel? Options like you would pass with modprobe.12:31
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fromvegaun_operateur: from the Linux machine (machineA), when NIC1 is connected I can ping machineB, but when NIC2 is connected I can't. Something is wrong right? Is it because both NIC have ip from the same subnet or not?12:31
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Symok(or connect to the FTP i'm running on one of them, 'no route to host')12:32
kitchePriceChild: bulmer just wanted to know what driver was better(as in best performance for the nvidia card)12:32
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PriceChildkitche, he also asked where this was obtained from 23:3012:32
ink251how do I pass options to the ipw2200 wireless module built into the kernel? Options like you would pass with modprobe.12:33
un_operateurfromvega, thats where your problem about distinguishing IP subnets comes in -- how does the kernel know which interface to send packets out through if the destination is the same IP subnet as two of the connected interfaces??12:33
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xyzis fd0 the floppy drive ?12:33
ekimusxyz: /dev/fd0? yes12:34
un_operateurfromvega, simple rule in networking : never ever assign IP addresses to multiple interfaces in the IP subnet, you will always have looping problems12:34
xyzomg i have installed grub in the wrong place12:34
xyzi didnt puy /dev/12:34
ekimusxyz: so? just reinstall it in the right place12:34
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fromvegaun_operateur: ok, thank you! I'll try to fix it12:35
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juanchito2006!startup screen missing outof frequency12:35
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto12:35
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fatlipmalikeye: hey you there?12:35
ubotuTo add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup12:35
un_operateurfromvega, not only will that confuse MachineA(the sender) it will also confuse MachineB(the reciever) because machineB will say "hang, on, i got one packet from one MAC address, another from another MAC address, but they are in the same subnet, which MAC address do i reply to??)12:35
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trev_should you have hdparm running as a service?12:36
un_operateurtrev_, hdparm as a service??12:36
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ajji'm trying to instll ubuntu, is there anyway i can install it using a cd drive emulator like alcohol, or do i have to burn it to a disc and boot it from there?12:37
trev_yeah, its in the service settings under system/administration12:37
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_fnordwhats that comand, lspcmica?12:37
namedammit is there any good X config tool/12:37
tanubis_Just got an Ipod Nano, itunes doesn't run in linux.  Apparently, you can do some interesting things with it if you put linux on it... anyone now how to go about doing cool things with it?12:37
un_operateurwhatis hdparm : hdparm (8)           - get/set hard disk parameters12:37
nametanubis_: amarok12:37
Hanselname - vi makes a good config tool for the config file  :)12:37
nameoh wait12:37
nameHansel: na12:37
nameHansel: i want some tool12:37
un_operateurtanubis, check out the ipodlinux website12:37
xyz 1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on12:37
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namedual view support12:37
xyzthis doesnt seem rite12:37
fromvegaun_operateur, but shoudn't it reply to the ip and mac that it received the ping request from?12:38
namewith one CRT and one TFT12:38
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fromvegaun_operateur, 2 ip, 2 mac. 2 different places. Shoudn't be a problem for machineB. Am I right?12:38
juanchito2006Ubotu is a bot!!! I can't believe it :-o12:38
juanchito2006Ubotu is a bot!!! I can't believe it :-O12:38
kitchetanubis_: ipodlinux does not work on the newer nanos12:38
xyzjuanchito2006:i know12:39
un_operateurfromvega, well, yes, thats how it works -- but since MachineA cant make up it's mind as to which interface to send out packets to the same subnet, it's likely it will use one port one time, another port another and that will confuse it's recipients12:39
fromvegaun_operateur, for machineB it should act like 2 different machines...12:39
fromveganow I understand12:39
un_operateurfromvega, right, ok, thats one good way of seeing it12:39
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xyzi cant sort this grub thing out please help12:40
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PriceChildxyz what is wrong?12:40
toulouseso once i nstall all of those packages from the multimedia site on ubuntu.help my video playing should work right?12:40
xyzi installed it in (fd0) instead of /dev/fd012:40
PriceChildtoulouse, should do :)12:40
toulousethanks :))))))12:40
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fromvegaun_operateur, linux kernel must process the ping not the NIC itself (right?), so in fact it problably is receiving the packets from machineB but responds to the wrong NIC.12:41
xyzPriceChild:i still havent loged off12:41
corevettehow do you install grub on windows drive?12:41
xyzusing the live cd12:41
kitchexyz: well to make a grub rescue disk it's a bit different then how you install it to a hard drive12:41
un_operateurfromvega, if you ever work on cisco/juniper/nortel routers -- you'll see they prohibit you from assigning IP address in the same subnet to different interfaces -- simply because it breaks a lot of things (as you see) and it's bad design -- also, the whole point of a router is to connect different networks -- not connect the same network (thats a job of a switch)12:41
Apolloanyone recommend a streaming video capture app especially for youtube.com?12:41
ubotuTo add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup12:41
xyzkitche:will i have to log off12:41
PriceChildApollo, I don't think you're legally allowed to take video off of the youtube site... just stream it on demand12:42
nnun_operateur: i assign different IPs from the same subnet to several cards in a machine on my terminal server12:42
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kitchexyz: yes but how you installed grub to the floppy isn't really the correct way not sure if it will work12:42
nnun_operateur: but it's a rare case12:42
fromvegaun_operateur: ;) thank you very much!12:42
xyzyeh i have no grub ,that the problem12:42
xyzand now i dont know how linux installed12:43
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_fnordhow do i upgrade from 5.1012:43
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xyzohh man12:43
un_operateurfromvega, the kernel reponds to IP addresses by enclosing frames destined to MAC addresses from those within it's arp cache12:43
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un_operateurnn, are you using a form of load balancing on the server?12:43
ubotuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes12:43
un_operateurnn, IP load balancing i.e.?12:44
nnun_operateur: sorta, i refuse clients12:44
freenetI installed a package that doesn't let me uninstall it because of an error in postrm. How do I clean this up and ignore the postrm error?12:44
Apollopricechild: i have uploaded video to the site and I can't recover the video? It is a storage faculty to myself! Home video?12:44
nnun_operateur: if more than X clients are connected to the IP, i refuse them, and they try the next "server"12:44
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nnun_operateur: kinda like how /etc/resolv.conf works12:44
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un_operateurnn, so it is load balancing basically12:45
orangeyhey all..12:45
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nnun_operateur: in a ghetto sense, yea12:45
PriceChild!hi | orangey12:45
ubotuorangey: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!12:45
orangeywhen running a vncserver, it fails, and tells me I need a fixed font12:45
orangeyhowever, what package does that come from?12:45
un_operateurnn, does the server connect up to a switch/router that does ip load balancing?12:46
orangeyI think I have all the necessary ones - xfree-font, etc.12:46
Hanselx11-fonts prolly12:46
nnun_operateur: no12:46
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xyznow it wont even mount a floppy drive12:46
nnun_operateur: just several ports on a gigabit switch12:46
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un_operateurnn, i'm amazed you havent come across any troubles as of yet ..12:46
nnun_operateur: why?12:46
orangeyHansel: there is no such package I can find.12:47
nnun_operateur: only issue i had was i had to set up dhcpd to only broadcast on one interface,because it was confusing itself12:47
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toulousearrgh ok, so i installed the various media packages, but .... it wont play wmv files because it needs a decoder, any tips?12:48
PriceChild!w32codecs | toulouse12:49
ubotutoulouse: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats12:49
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un_operateurnn, like i was saying -- when the server replies to clients -- how does it's kernel know which interface to use to send frames out of? if for example clients from connect upto it .. and half connect upto one interface and half to another, the server has a 50% chance of choosing either with no definitive path12:49
PriceChildtoulouse, you need "w32codecs"... it is outlined on the wiki how to get it12:49
toulouseo :!12:49
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jugheadi'm getting w32codecs right now; it's not very difficult12:49
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nnun_operateur: Ohh, i think i misunderstood what you meant previously12:50
fromvegaun_operateur, if the kernel knows from which MAC the packet was received, shoudn't it send the response from the same MAC?12:50
nnarp caching12:50
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un_operateurnn, so, not only does that disrupt intermediate routers' and switches' arp tables because they are made up on the fly -- if one time,  one MAC address is used and another another is used, it puts a load on those devices12:51
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nnun_operateur: hm12:51
ubotuTwiztr: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)12:52
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xyzwill this fix my grub problems12:52
fromvegahow do I make changes in the ip_forward file permanent? I do not want to type "sudo sh -c "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" every reboot.12:52
CantankerousI have seen IP conversations where a client was talking to interface A of the server but the server always replied from interface B (same IP address). This confused the switches because interface A was never a source MAC so every packet to the server was flooded as a multicast.12:53
un_operateurfromvega, yes, thats how its supposed to work  -- but how does the recepient know which MAC address is the right one, if there are many??12:53
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TwiztrI am running MEPIS liveCD and trying to install it. I partitioned HDB [b1 is a Windows drive b2 is the /root b3 is the swap, and b4 is /home] 12:53
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kitcheTwiztr: ask in #mepis12:53
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Twiztrso it installed, and then rebooted  (not from cd) it never asked me for a bootloader setting, so when the box rebooted, it did so into Windows12:54
TwiztrAnd Windows System is in HDA12:54
kitcheTwiztr: might want to ask it in #mepis if it deals with mepis12:54
un_operateurCantankerous, yes, there's a high chance of a broadcast storm happening especially in a cascaded switched network12:54
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DILcan an .exe program be installed on a linux system12:55
toulousedil, use wine12:56
un_operateurDIL, it can be run from under wine12:56
xyzis there a devicew called fd0 in ubuntu12:56
fromvegaun_operateur: I'm still confused about this MAC issue. The machine have 2 MACs, the packet is received from one MAC, the kernel send the response from that MAC. What's the confusing issue?12:56
Cantankerousfloppy disk 012:56
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xyzthe ehat is /dev/fd012:57
xyzthen what is /dev/fd012:57
un_operateurfromvega, if the sender machine has two MAC addresses and there's a 50% chance that either will be used in communications to one single host -- how does the client know which MAC address to use in reponses back to the sender???12:57
idlemindxyz: fd0 is just that: /dev/fd012:57
kitchexyz: floppy disk 0 is what /dev/fd012:57
xyzthem my grub did work12:58
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xyzthats if fd0 is /dev/fd012:59
Cantankerousun_operator: depends which MAC answered the ARP request12:59
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xyzok im rebooting now12:59
xyzwish me luck12:59
Phat32How can I view the channel history12:59
Phat32I can12:59
Phat32I can't scroll up high enough*12:59
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un_operateurfromvega, it's like this -- you send me letters all the time from your addresses i.e. 10, foobar lane  and 20, bazquux road -- one time you use one address another time another -- which one should i trust is your actual one? ok, i might keep a track and reply to the exact one used in the original letter but why put me through the bother? it's an unnecessary load on my part when ideally you could just use one address al01:00
un_operateurl the time01:00
Hanselpgup?  if it doesn't go high enough you need to set a larger history setting01:00
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willskillsPhat32, what client do you use? Xchat only keeps 300 lines as a default.......01:00
willskillsyou can change it in Settings :)01:00
Phat32someone had typed out a command for generating a new xorg.conf file I think01:01
Phat32or maybe it was like dpkg reconfigure ?01:01
Phat32Hello everyone. I am working on a machine which lost it's nvidia graphics card recently due to dust and is now using an ATI graphics card. I was wondering if anyone could explain how to remove the old nvidia driver, install the ati driver, and fix xorg.conf...01:01
Phat32I tried using the xorg.conf from the live cd and it didn't work01:02
un_operateurCantankerous, yes, but if the source MAC address is constantly being changed for a source IP address, it puts an unecessary load on the intermediate switch and recepient host - because they have to keep changing and updating the arp table for every different frame01:02
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leprasmurfhello all01:02
Cantankeroussudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg01:02
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kitchePhat32: you remove nvidia-glx by sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia-glx I would just use the open source ati driver until you get X working again01:02
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eimajenthatI just installed banshee and banshee-daap, but I get an error that the Music Sharing plugin could not be initialized.  Any suggestions?01:03
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fromvegaun_operateur: but and what about INSIDE the machine that have 2 NICs. If it receives a ping request from one NIC, does it replies using the same NIC? I mean, NIC2 received a ping request, the reponse shouldn't be sent from it? Or things do not work this way?01:04
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CantankerousI don't think there is normally any checking of the source MAC address when receiving an IP packet. ARP refresh is optional IIRC01:04
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un_operateurfromvega, it's not so much a problem if it's just two hosts -- but if there are many hosts -- then it becomes a problem -- the sender with two mac addresses is not guaranteed to recieve all frames via one interface01:05
xyzits worked01:05
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brian|geeknikGood evening.01:05
bruenig!hi | brian|geeknik01:05
ubotubrian|geeknik: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!01:05
Phat32thankyou very much guys01:05
Phat32I am using X again01:05
Phat32I'll take it from here01:06
bruenig!thanks | Phat3201:06
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un_operateurCantankerous, ohh, the MAC addresses are always checked -- because thats how switches know the topology of a network, the states of links and build Spanning Trees with01:06
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brian|geeknikI just downloaded the Ubuntu 6.10 ISO for AMD64 systems. It's been years, and I mean YEARs since I ran linux( think slackware with kernel 1.2.13). ;) Anyways, it gave me some error about my AGP Aperture and then some weird authentication error and then told me to remove the CD from my drive and hit enter after closing the tray, and then I had to push the reset button.01:07
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Hanselbrian - try the alternate cd that has a textmode installer...01:08
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Cantankerousun_operator - yes, but that has no effect on ARP. Switches just learn where each MAC is. If a server has multiple MACS with the same IP, you could in theory send to any one although in practice you would only send to the MAC in teh current ARP table. IP responses could come from any interface and therefore have any of tose MAC addresses. This does not affect the packet meanings at IP level01:09
brian|geeknikHansel: I just wanted to try out the OS w/o installing actually. =)01:09
Hanseloh.. :(01:09
TrynemjoelIs there a graphic WLAN-connection program for GNOME desktop? haven't managed to find one01:09
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brian|geeknikI'm not 100% ready to make the switch until I get a secondary computer(I stream audio to a server via Helix Producer Plus(from RealMedia)) and I don't think there is an alternative for Linux. ;)01:10
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ubotunetwork-manager-gnome: network management framework (GNOME frontend). In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.3-2ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 245 kB, installed size 1608 kB01:10
digin4why isn't there xchat for ubuntu? i can only find xchat-gnome, which i don't like at all :(01:10
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bruenig!info xchat01:10
ubotuxchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 275 kB, installed size 760 kB01:10
xyzdo you install beryl first or the drivers ?01:10
bruenigdigin4, there is, you need to enable universe to install it01:10
xyzand dose it make a diffrence01:10
ubotuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource01:10
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digin4bruenig: how do i enable that in edgy?01:11
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bruenigdigin4, have you ever messed with your /etc/apt/sources.list01:11
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digin4bruenig: no sir!01:11
bingnet922new question: I compiled and installed ffmpeg from svn because I couldn't get the repo version to encode mp3 when transcoding video. It still doesn't work though I've enabled mp3/lame. What am I missing?01:11
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bingnet922I'm using 6.1001:12
bruenigdigin4, ok, then run, the following, it will enable all the extra repositories, update, then install xchat, sudo sed -e 's/# deb/deb/g' -e 's/edgy universe/edgy universe multiverse/g' -e 's/edgy-security universe/edgy-security universe multiverse/g' -i.backup /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xchat01:12
rysiek|planybody here uses/knows unionfs?01:12
kitchebingnet922: did you install lame?01:12
fromvegaun_operateur: but in my case, the linux machine have 2 NICs but only one is connected, and I can't ping it. If the kernel can send the reponse from either NICs I understand the problem, but if kernel sends the response from the same NIC that have received it I do not understand why it's not pingable:\01:12
rysiek|plif I use unionfs, do I need to have the branched dirs mounted somewhere already?01:12
bruenigdigin4, copy everything after the comma, all on one line01:12
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digin4bruenig: i thank thee sire!01:12
bruenigdigin4, if you want to tray icon, do sudo apt-get install xchat-systray after all of that runs through01:12
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digin4ok thanks :):)01:13
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Cantankerousfromvega: The un-connected NIC should detect lack of cable and go inactive, even if it _does_ have the same IP address.01:13
cyphasehmm, Gajim 0.11 looks pretty good01:14
cyphasenice interface01:14
TrynemjoelWhere do i find the window for network-manager-gnome ? The network status window in my systray wont see my eth1 but its visible in "iwconfig" in the terminal01:14
un_operateurfromvega, just dont assign IP addresses in the same IP subnet to multiple interfaces on the same machine -- keep it simple01:14
frogger0how can i solve this problem -->  gpgv: keyblock resource `/home/kneipe/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': general error01:14
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toulousehey guys, i use beep media player for my internet radio and streamtuner to find my stations, but sometime the beepmediaplayer hiccups and quits playing, any suggestions?01:14
Stormx2Trynemjoel: Tried "killall gnome-panel" ?01:14
Cantankerousfromvga: ifconfig should tell you what IP addresses you have, and ective interfaces should include the word RUNNING01:14
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fromvegaCantankerous: the NICs do not have the same IP dude01:15
fromvegaun_operateur: ok... just want to understand hehehe01:15
toulouseand it doesnt support all the streams streamtuner  has to offer01:15
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Stormx2toulouse: BMP is old. It's been forked twice. If you like killing kittens, I suggest you get BMPx. If you are not evil, go with Audacious01:15
un_operateurfromvega, I could explain better if i had a whiteboard -- its hard using words :)01:15
bingnet922kitche: Hi, I did install lame. I checked this with $apt-get install lame which responded "0 newly installed"01:15
Stormx2toulouse: audacious-media-player.org01:15
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toulouseaudacious, ok ima look for it, does it need any seperate packages?01:15
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Stormx2toulouse: Don't think so...01:16
toulousethanks man01:16
frogger0how can i solve this problem -->  gpgv: keyblock resource `/home/kneipe/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': general error01:16
Stormx2toulouse: if it does you can get em from the repos ;)01:16
bruenigfrogger0, general error, hmm that is pretty specific01:16
bruenig!repeat | frogger001:16
ubotufrogger0: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience01:16
fromvegaCantankerous: both NICs are RUNNING and have different IPs...01:16
Stormx2toulouse: There is an ubuntu maintainer for it I think...01:16
TrynemjoelThat just killed all my systray icons Stormx2, no status/management window for my WLAN01:16
Stormx2Trynemjoel: Eek, sorry.01:16
toulousethanks dude01:17
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xyzhow do i install opera in the terminal01:17
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Trynemjoelwell, can i config my Wifi-card from the terminal as a temp solution?01:18
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bruenigxyz, you have to add repos, or I can find the deb and give you a wget + dpkg command that will do it if you wish01:18
un_operateurxyz, you need to have the canonical commercial or opera repositories added to your sources.list01:18
bruenigxyz, what version of ubuntu are you using01:18
xyzedgy eft01:19
xyzE: Couldn't find package opera01:19
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Naaboheya all..anyone can tell me how to setup ftp so i can delete all in www root by ftp?01:19
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xyz bruenig:please do01:19
HanselNaabo - which ftpd are you using?01:20
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Hansellookup the defaultroot  option01:20
Cantankerousfromvga: maybe I shouldn't have jumped in the middle of a conversation. Anyway, to make IP forwarding permanent, there's an entry in /etc/network/options - add a line "#ip_forward=yes01:20
Hanselset it for one of your users that you want to be able to edit www pages.01:20
Cantankerousfromvga: dammit - don't put the hash in front01:20
fromvegaun_operateur: ok, no problem. thank you very much! Merry Xmas! Bye!01:21
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fromvegaCantankerous: tks dude! Merry Xmas bye!01:21
xyz bruenig:im waiting in vain01:21
xyzfor your repos01:22
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bruenigxyz, wget  ftp://get.opera.com/pub/opera/linux/910/final/en/i386/shared/opera_9.10-20061214.6-shared-qt_en_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i opera_9.10-20061214.6-shared-qt_en_i386.deb01:22
Naabowell i can see owner..but as i ry to delite some dir's in there it says permission denied..01:22
bruenigxyz, they had it setup with mirrors, so I had to navigate the ftp index until I could find an exact link01:22
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HanselNaabo - you also need to chmod the directory so the user can actually make changes let alone get chrooted to it01:22
SmashCatHello, anyone know of a site where I can find a list of available apt packages?01:23
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Naabochmod the dir 777?01:23
kitcheSmashCat: packages.ubuntu.com01:23
variantNaabo: no, 775 at most01:23
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trev_ok, i was just trying to share a folder using the nautilus GUI and samba, how do i acess the folder that is on ubuntu with windows XP01:24
Cantankerousfromvga: bye - Merry Christmas01:24
SmashCatkitche: Thanks! I wonder if apt will have a search option one day (like yum)!01:24
derek_Where can I tell my views if I like some feature in Ubuntu?01:24
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kitcheSmashCat: umm apt-cache01:24
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kitcheSmashCat: it had it for a while01:24
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TrynemjoelIs there a command to list LAN-connections? trying to find the IP to my Access point :)01:25
Hanselderek_ - you can setup a video camera and post it on youtube  hehe.01:25
SmashCatkitche: So apt-cache is a search tool? Weird name! ;-)01:26
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derek_SmashCat, apt-cache is a cache of the list of programs available01:26
derek_SmashCat, you search like this: apt-cache search xchat01:27
Naabohmmm now i chmod the www dir 755--ftp and see owner same as ftp acc...still can't add dirs/delete files..01:27
TrynemjoelIs there a command to list LAN-connections? trying to find the IP to my Access point :)01:27
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xyzdidnt work01:28
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kitchexyz: ok now here is the fun part01:28
_fnordim trying to get the sound to work on my laptop01:28
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neuro_scuze me a sec01:29
neuro_!language neuro_01:29
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about language neuro_ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:29
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ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.01:29
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SmashCatderek_: Thanks, I usually only use Fedora/RH and Gentoo, so I'm not familiar with apt. I'm just setting up a desktop for someone and they wanted Ubuntu. The installer didn't allow RAID setup and hasn't picked up the hardware properly (only allowing 1024x768 on a 1920x1200 display ;-) I don't mind editing xorg.conf, but it's not very user friendly for a newbie!01:30
xyzhot do i reboot in the terminal01:30
toulousehey guys, is xmms useful? im looking for a pain-free internet radio player01:30
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Hanseltoulouse - yes.  It's "useful"01:31
needhelpI try to run a Windows-game through wine. But an Windows-error pops up saying "Allication Error: An integer divide by zero was encountered at address ...... Click on OK to terminate the application"01:31
hansakianyone know what runs on TCP port DPT=64789 /01:31
needhelpHow can I fix that error?01:31
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Hanselhansaki - probably a backdoor01:31
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hansakianyone know what runs on TCP port DPT=64789  ? and anything about secuirity / hacking on this port?  i am getting lost of hits01:31
kitchexyz: http://pastebin.ca/291311 is how to install grub to a floppy01:31
Hanselneedhelp - which application?  Have you read the winehq webpage for info on that app and particular error?01:31
toulousewell, do you think it's going to be stable on internet radio? b/c i tried beep media player and it works--some of the time01:31
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toulousei dont know why though01:32
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hansakiHansel: why do you say that01:32
xyzkitche:i dont it ,thani you01:32
Hanselhansaki - that is a very high port number01:32
Hanselhansaki - most legitimate services run under 1000  :)01:33
xyzany one have a clue how to reboot in the terminal01:33
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kitchexyz: rescue mode01:33
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DILhey all!  am trying to have system see my HP 5590 Scanner-any assist will be graet am A NEWB to Linux01:33
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idleminddil: have you searched google to make sure that it's compatible w/linux?01:33
HanselDIL have you googled for HP 5590 Scanner driver insmod01:33
SmashCatxyz: tried typing "reboot"?01:34
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DILno will now do01:34
ubuntu_how show DVD with ubuntu ??? help me please01:34
_fnordxyz: halt?01:34
insomninjaDIL, what happens if you start the scanning program (sane)?01:34
_fnord!dvd |ubuntu01:34
ubotuubuntu: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages01:34
SmashCatxyz: or "init 0" (works with RH)01:34
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_fnordubuntu_: are you useing a livecd?01:35
xyz"reboot" works but i have to be root ,im ok with that01:35
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NaaboHansel--got any more sugesions for me??ftp with the same suer as the ower in www root..still getting permission denied:-/01:35
SmashCatRight time to hack xorg.conf ;-) It's the 21st century, there should really be a gui tool for this!01:36
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_fnordhow do i get the sound to work on a laptop?01:36
ubuntu_i wish you a mary christmas !01:36
bruenigSmashCat, write one01:36
derek_Can I find out the version of a program available in the repository before apt-get'ing it?01:36
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leprasmurfmake[1] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop.01:36
HanselSmashCat - why?  If it ain't broke don't fix it.  There are many people that live in CLI's and don't ever even load up a GUI...01:36
kitcheSmashCat: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is the only good tool or sudo xorgconfig or X -configure01:36
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HanselNaabo - you can see the files but not write/remove, correct?01:36
derek__fnord, how old is your laptop, if I may ask?01:36
_fnordSmashCat: there is one i think01:37
SmashCatbruenig: This is probably the onyl time I'll use Ubuntu, so I don't think I'll be writing a tool for it for one installation ;-)01:37
leprasmurfAny help?  I'm compiling the rt2500 driver and getting: make[1] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop.01:37
_fnordboute a year or so01:37
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_fnordintell celeronM 1.5 ghz 250 ram01:37
bruenigSmashCat, but think of the good you will do writing such an invaluable piece of software for the community01:37
PixyAnyone know how to get an Ubuntu verion of xchat that's not the gnome version?01:37
HanselNaabo - have you looked at the sample configs on proftpd.org? http://www.proftpd.org/docs/configs/virtual.conf01:37
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_fnordit was bottom of the line when i got it01:37
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root_how do find out a password on a .rar file01:37
bingnet922kitche: Hi, I did install lame. I checked this with $apt-get install lame which responded "0 newly installed"01:37
SmashCatbruenig: There's one in Fedora that works well, maybe that could be repackaged?01:38
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kitchebingnet922: ok then it should be working correctly01:38
LameBMXroot_,  you dont dl warez01:38
kitchebingnet922: it might be due to how you are trying to encode it and such01:38
root_lameBMX its not a warez01:38
LameBMXthen why dont you have the pass?01:39
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Hanselroot_ password protection is put in place for a reason.  If you set the pass but forgot it then you can google for the answer.  Sounds a bit sketchy though and we dont help with piracy...01:39
NaaboHansel--i'm chking now..thx..getting back as soon as any progress beeing made01:39
baastrupis there a easy way to install the 2.6.18 kernel01:39
Hanselbaastrup - apt-get if you dont have any customizations01:40
cafuego_baastrup: why do you want to install an old kernel?01:40
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Hanselif you want to compile your own the process is fairly painless but there are some key steps you must follow...01:40
BiNzMerry Christmas all!01:40
root_lameBMX as i am a techie for a college and a student it crackin are system and there is a rar file which is passworded which is titled Crackin01:40
PixyI'm having a problem with GCC.01:40
PixyDon't know if this is common.01:40
derek_Can I find out the version of a program available in the repository before apt-get'ing it?01:41
PixyBut hanyways:01:41
Hanselderek_ apt-cache lets you search01:41
neuro_Hansel: ping01:41
PixyI get this when doing ./configure01:41
Pixychecking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables01:41
cafuego_derek_: apt-cache show <package> and/or apt-cache policy <package>01:41
Hanselneuro_: pong01:41
baastrupcafuego_: this is the version  2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP01:41
kitchePixy: sudo apt-get install build-essential01:41
cafuego_Pixy: you don't have a proper install, get 'build-essential'01:41
neuro_Hansel: been pm'ing you, no response?01:41
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HanselI am ignoring all pms.01:41
Hanseljust ask in the channel01:41
LameBMXso ur responsible for the system then ... and its a university01:41
cafuego_baastrup: Yes, prebuilt with backported fixes. 2.6.18 is not maintained by Ubuntu.01:42
Rav|stranglerwhat does ./ do again?01:42
LameBMXjust remote admin the box and record01:42
Hansel./ runs a binary file...01:42
neuro_Hansel: just wanted to ask a question about whatever it was you said to gordonjcp01:42
Rav|stranglerand how can I execute a file with out doing it.01:42
Hanselsomething outside of /bin /usr/bin etc01:42
PixyAlso, how would you make the keyboard controls more Mac like?01:42
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root_lameBMX: no just a little school network01:42
kitcheRav|strangler: use sh instead of ./01:42
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PixyAs in Apple key == Ctrl01:42
Hanselneuro_ - I didn't say anything to him but if you want to ask me about something I typed feel free...01:42
LameBMXsame concept01:42
neuro_Hansel: you didn't pm him?01:42
LameBMXsize dont really matter01:42
baastrupcafuego_: hmm oki, I need to try a newer kernel,  because im testing some problems with the nvidia kernel on my laptop01:42
Rav|stranglerkitche, can I do it without doing sh bsflite?01:42
bingnet922kitche: Here's my session showing the command and output. Notice the 'configure:' is empty instead of --enable-lame, but when I run .configure it shows lame enabled. I am sure I'm using the same executable because I removed the ffmpeg package, the only resident copy is from svn.01:43
Hanselhe pm'd me telling me about his life and work...01:43
HanselI ignored him  :)01:43
bingnet922kitche: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38723/01:43
Rav|stranglerkitche,  like chmod something01:43
neuro_Hansel: :)01:43
cafuego_baastrup: Wouldn't it be better to try the newer driver on a working kernel?01:43
neuro_Hansel: thanks dude, that was all i was after01:43
LameBMXand if someone is "crackin" out of a rar ... and you have done ur job right .. u should just be sitting back lolz'n01:43
SmashCatHmm that's wierd, installing the Nvidia drivers installs a new Linux kernel ;-)01:43
kitcheRav|strangler: chmod +x but you still need to do either ./ or sh to make it run01:43
Rav|stranglerkitche, could I just double click the shortcut after I make it executable01:44
cafuego_baastrup: incidentally, the latest stable is
kitchebingnet922: you might be doing it right but when you use the program that uses ffmpeg you might be using wrong syntax01:44
Olathe_How do I mount a samba share so that the owner of the files on it appears to be something other than root ?01:44
LameBMXno sweat either way ... if he succeeds talk n find out what he did .. if he dont well .. your system just got proven01:44
kitcheRav|strangler: yes01:44
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baastrupcafuego_: hmm yeah, but its the last thing i need to try, I got the hardware changed, tryed the newest nvidia driver01:44
cafuego_Olathe_: the uid and gid options as per man page.01:44
PixyBest key remapping program?01:44
bingnet922kitche: good point, but in this case I'm using ffmpeg directly to eliminate that possibility01:44
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root_lameBMX: i just want to see what he is up to, theres been no problems yet. but as are network user aggrement states "no hacking or cracking" stupid i know01:44
trev_when i first used the shared folders GUI i only added samba as a service, is there a way to automatically add nfs as well?01:44
bingnet922kitche: you can see the command and output here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38723/01:45
baastrupcafuego_: nv drivers works find though, so its only the nvidia official drivers01:45
Olathe_cafuego_: Thanks :)01:45
leprasmurfok, I'm trying to remove gaim from an edubuntu install, and it's claiming that it's going to uninstall the desktop...anyone know why?01:45
SmashCatDammit! Just changed my clock and now I can't use SUDO anymore as the "timestamp's too far in the future"... great...01:45
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cafuego_Olathe_: you may also wan to use fmask and dmask01:45
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Hansellol SmashCat.  :(01:45
omgloli need help setting up my linux pc as a wireless router. when i try to use firestarter it says device wlan0 is not ready. but network settings shows wlan0 is active. how can i fix that?01:45
kitchebingnet922: you encoding a video?01:45
_fnordso now help with the laptop/sound?01:45
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LameBMXyea and all im saying is you will learn my by watching01:45
surfbuddycan anyone have a look at my problem please ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32490201:46
_fnordso no*01:46
bingnet922kitche: right, mpeg to flv01:46
Pixykitche: After install build-essential, I get this error configure: error: "Cannot find glib"01:46
PixyAnd I know it's installed.01:46
bingnet922kitche: audio is def present in orig, but no audio stream to flv01:46
SmashCatLooks like I'll have to reboot and login as root - man I love the Linux desktop :-))01:46
kitchePixy: you have to install glib you might have glib2 installed which is different01:46
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root_lameBMX: arh true, well its the hoildays so i should be relaxing anyways01:46
LameBMXi remember my university days ..01:46
SmashCatThanks for the help people...01:46
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omgloli need help setting up my linux pc as a wireless router. when i try to use firestarter it says device wlan0 is not ready. but network settings shows wlan0 is active. how can i fix that?01:46
surfbuddyits about ext3 file system failing ...01:47
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kitchebingnet922: hmm yeah I m just thinking if you  have to use a tool not sure how to encode audio in lame when it's part of a video01:47
LameBMXwith windows i dont run a firewall or AV ... AV is pointless ..01:47
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Hanselis a firewall pointless as well?  heh.01:47
LameBMXand it only does a half a**'d job of removing them anyways01:47
root_cheers all01:47
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TrynemjoelIs there a command to list LAN-connections? trying to find the IP to my Access point :)01:47
vlcTrynemjoel, install iptraf01:48
HanselTrynemjoel - ifconfig and look for the IP ending in .1 usually  :)01:48
LameBMXif you are connected01:48
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Pixyifconfig eth0 usually.01:48
bingnet922kitche: I was originally trying to use KINO to produce FLV, and was getting no audio in final, so this appears to be the reason: FFMPEG is not lame enabled.01:48
LameBMX192.168.0.1 .1.1  15.1 are common ones01:48
TrynemjoelThe accesspoint is not the router01:49
bingnet922kitche: when I encode final using utilities and libs other than ffmpeg the final has audio, only ffmpeg produces video only01:49
Hanselaccess point is likely .1.1 and router .0.101:49
Rav|stranglerkitche, thank you :-D01:49
omgloli have problem setting up my ubuntu as a wireless router! firestarter says wlan0 is not active!01:49
Rav|stranglerHansel, and you too buddy thanks01:49
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Pixyiwconfig ?01:50
needhelpwhats the configfile for wine ?01:50
kitcheTrynemjoel: you can do iwlist scan and see what pops up01:50
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willskillsAnyone here an expert with ALSA and different soundcards? I am having problems with my capture on an NVidia CK804 - please PM me if you can assist!01:50
bingnet922omglol: you're doing better than I, I couldn't get ubuntu to recognize my wlan.01:50
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ubotuA large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?01:50
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omgloli need help setting up my linux pc as a wireless router. when i try to use firestarter it says device wlan0 is not ready. but network settings shows wlan0 is active. how can i fix that?01:50
kitchebingnet922: to me it would just be easier to rip the sound and video part and encode them seperately then fuse them together again01:51
cyphaseis CUPS ever going to announce itself via Zeroconf?01:51
bingnet922omglol: I know the first step is to determine the chipset of your wlan hardware, then determine the appropriate driver/ndiswrapper01:51
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bingnet922kitche: ffmpeg?01:51
BeforewisdomHi.  I have been trying to unrar a *.rar file.  It asks me for a password.  My system password does not work so I am guessing I need to get one from somewhere else.  Is there anyway around that?01:51
Trynemjoelall i get from iwlist scan is a macadress and other info01:51
Trynemjoelno IP :I)01:51
jair_@find SDK01:51
_fnordhow do i uninstall cups copletly?01:51
cafuego_Beforewisdom: get the password from whoever sent you the rar.01:51
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Trynemjoelit has a default ip form the routers DHCP-server01:51
cafuego_Beforewisdom: if they didn't give you one, you're probably not supposed to unpack it.01:51
bingnet922omglol: if you can log onto a wlan with your hardware then firestarter should work too01:51
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omglolbingnet992: network settings can detect wlan0 and says its active.. is it working?01:52
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omglolbingnet992: i cant logon to any wlan cuz my wireless router is down and all my neighbours are encrypted01:52
BeforewisdomI got a password.html file that says it has the password, but it isn't on there, when I click on the link it tells me to go it is a german site for a bit torrent client with a nasty note not to ask about the password01:52
LameBMXyea cuz its malware01:53
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cafuego_Beforewisdom: well, tough luck then01:53
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bingnet922omglol: you will need a wlan for testing your hardware, I don't know if "detection as active" is sufficient proof that it is working. That's as far as I 've gone, good luck.01:53
Beforewisdomcafuego, Thanks anyway, I was hoping there would be some way around it01:53
cafuego_german defacation porn isn't good for you anyway01:53
BeforewisdomNeither is sarcasm01:54
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Beforewisdomaint porn01:54
_fnordomglol: if you have your nieh bors permission you could use aircrack to find there password,its in hte repos01:54
BeforewisdomHave a nice night boys01:54
LameBMXsarcasm is bad for you?01:54
cafuego_LameBMX: depends on the frame of mind of the "victim"01:54
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cafuego_LameBMX: if they stab you, it's not that great01:54
omglol_fnord: lol01:54
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LameBMXbut whatever does kill us only makes us stronger01:55
_fnordbut if you dont have permission its a crime01:55
LameBMXso the sarcasm is either good or deadly01:55
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bingnet922kitche: get this, ffmpeg output quickly and cleanly an mp3 of the orig. But will not transcode to flv with mp3 audio?01:55
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surfbuddycan anyone have a look at my problem please ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=324902 .. about failing ext3 ..please01:56
kitchebingnet922: it probabably doesn't understand .flv format01:56
_fnordhow can i get a animated start up screen?01:56
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kitchebingnet922: I m not great with ffmpeg sicne I tend to encode video and audio seperately then fuse them back together01:56
bingnet922kitche: it successfully encodes flv video and ffmpeg is the industry standard for encoding this format01:57
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bingnet922kitche: right?01:57
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omglolhow do i scan for wireless networks and join then?01:58
cafuego_kitche: my ffmpeg outputs to flv just fine01:58
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LameBMXanyone here deal with a wg111u by netgear .. usb .. atheros chipset ... ive followed a few howto's01:58
LameBMXnone worked01:58
jugheadomglol: install something like wifi-radar01:58
cyphaseah, it'll be in CUPS 1.401:58
LameBMXand i dont wanna do too many more installs01:58
_fnordhow do i uninstall CUPS?01:59
LameBMXwell os reloads01:59
cyphaseJune of next year01:59
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kitchecafuego_: with mp3 audio?01:59
cafuego_kitche: the one I did had no audio in it, dunno.01:59
toulousegood Question, i have a wifi card in my comp. it finds our wireless router, but will not connect to it if it has a password -any suggestions?01:59
vlcsurfbuddy, i installed ubuntu on a usb drive this week, and i got the problem that the disk got automounted during the partitioning...01:59
cafuego_kitche: Mind you, I had to go from ogg to yuv first; then to flv01:59
cyphasemaybe they can squeeze it into feisty01:59
vlcsurfbuddy, i got the same error02:00
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jugheadtoulouse: what kind of encryption is it?02:00
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toulouseehhh, lemme look02:00
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Lunar_Lamp<toulouse> good Question, i have a wifi card in my comp. it finds our wireless router, but will not connect to it if it has a password -any suggestions? <== Slightly flippant answer, remove the password ;-)02:00
Pie-rateis there any way to get something to run at a really high priority without root privileges? (i get a "nice: cannot set niceness: Permission denied" message) I can get root privileges but i dont want the program i'm running to have them02:00
noelferreirahi people any software to make free phone calls ?02:00
japhyall right i feel really dumb for asking this, but for some reason i cann't burn a good copy of ubuntu, what the heck is going on? i searched the forums and have followed "ISO burning tutorials" but they always come out messed up, either i get a "buffer I/O error on hdc" or when installing the alternate CD i get " *some file* is corrupt", does anyone have any suggestions?02:01
toulousenvm guys my mom is on the other computer, and i dont want to disturb her with router business02:01
nnjaphy: my idea is that maybe you could do a net install?02:01
Lunar_LampHmm, interesting question Pie-rate - definitely only root can increase a processes priority.  Perhaps you could make nice usable to non-root users?02:01
jugheadthat's cool toulouse let us know if you get a chance to find out02:02
toulousei dont have the info in front of me for yall02:02
toulousethanks for offereing to help tho02:02
_fnord!aircrack | toulouse:02:02
japhynn: should i just search the forums to see how to do that?02:02
ubotuaircrack: wireless WEP/WPA cracker. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.3-3 (edgy), package size 136 kB, installed size 372 kB02:02
jugheadwhat are you using to connect to the wireless network?02:02
_fnordtoulouse: | !aircrack02:02
bushel2hi @ all02:02
toulouseooo aircrack, interesting02:02
Lunar_LampPie-rate, idea!  Use "renice" to alter the processes priotiry once it's running!02:02
toulousea d-link wifi pci card02:02
toulousewireless -b02:03
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toulousei know the router has two options on encryption, beyond that i dont know02:03
toulousei gtg02:03
_fnordcan i use a router to conect to other routers?02:03
bingnet922noelferreira: for free calling check out http://www.../click-2021613-1042263902:03
toulousetthanks, we'll work on this later :)02:03
bushel2i try to install beryl and need to put the gpg key in without conecting to the internet , just from the file , any ideas?02:03
jugheadtoulouse: what program are you using?  is it the one that comes with ubuntu or didi you install something like wifi-radar?02:03
zOapanyone know of a good freeram app for ubuntu?02:03
toulouseone with ubuntu02:03
toulousesoz, i  gtg02:04
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toulouse*walking dogs*02:04
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Lunar_LampPie-rate, I'm not certain of the exact syntax but: "COMMAND && sudo renice -19 COMMAND/PROCESS"02:04
bingnet922noelferreira: I mean http://www.skype.com02:05
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Lunar_LampPie-rate, that way the program won't be executed with root privilages.  If you're uncertain about it you can test it to make sure first.02:05
kitchenoelferreira: skype is not free for making calls well it's free at the moment but once jan. 1st coems it won't be free02:05
noelferreirabingnet922: i mean free calls to other system the pc. i think skype charges that ones02:05
noelferreiraya kitche that's it02:06
_fnordis there a free VoIp service?02:07
kitchenoelferreira: look up free world dialup it's good, the other person also needs free world dialup also02:07
Pie-rateLunar_Lamp: I think it needs the pid02:07
Lunar_Lamp<kitche> noelferreira: skype is not free for making calls well it's free at the moment but once jan. 1st coems it won't be free <== Skype to Skype calls are free still.02:07
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DILfirefly from australia is free to0 other firefly numbers02:08
_fnordwhat aboute asterix?whats that all aboute?02:08
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about asterix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:08
Lunar_LampPie-rate, can't you just use "ps -ef | grep SOMETHING-ABOUT-YOUR-PROCESS" to find the pid?02:08
ubotuasterisk: Open Source Private Branch Exchange (PBX). In component universe, is optional. Version 1: (edgy), package size 137 kB, installed size 400 kB02:08
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kitche_fnord: ever call aumber and it was computerized that is what asterisk is02:08
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xyzhi how can i find out more about the ati drivers im using ,they work great02:09
kitche_fnord: makes it so you can have extensions for one number and such it's pretty good if you know how to work with it02:09
kitchexyz: glxinfo02:09
_fnordi was told you can use it to set up a voip server and then give out free phone calls?02:09
kitche_fnord: only if you have a voip account also and they get abused a lot02:09
VerdRouseaucan anyone help me connect to my HP printer connected to the router02:10
leprasmurfI've dl'd the rt2x00 drivers for a wireless adapter, but when I go into the module directory and type 'make' I get "make[1] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop."02:10
leprasmurfany ideas?02:10
noelferreirathanks people02:10
_fnordand theres no suck thing as a free voip acount?02:10
Pie-rateLunar_Lamp, yes, but I want to do this in a script02:10
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Lunar_Lampleprasmurf, I did this install the other day!02:10
noelferreiraanyone used voipbuster in ubuntu02:10
noelferreirathis one is totaly free02:10
Lunar_Lampleprasmurf, pm and I'll help you out.02:10
Mx-Happy holidays02:10
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about voipbuster - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:10
Lunar_LampPie-rate, well you would be being difficult eh? ;-)02:11
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un_operateurleprasmurf, you might need to have a read at README or INSTALL within those directories02:11
Mx-can someone tell me how ubuntu being a newer linux distro has blown up to the point it has in popularity?02:11
kitche_fnord: free world dialup it's computer to computer but there is ways to use outside calls02:11
Pie-rateLunar_Lamp: I'm thinking sudo nice -n -19  sudo -u jschall command-name02:11
_fnordMx-: because its sexy02:11
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Lunar_LampPie-rate, ok, you can make the script create a "pid" file whereby it outputs the pid of the processes initiated.  Then you can use that simply can you not?02:11
Pie-rateLunar_Lamp: how do i do that?02:12
superkirbyartistSomething weird's going on!  When I load my computer, the splash is Kubuntu.  When I turn it off, the splash is Xubuntu.  I use Xubuntu; how do I set the system startup splash to Xubuntu?02:12
un_operateurMx-, it's cool, easy to use, appeals to windows users looking to change, detects most hardware, is based on debian's stability, easy to maintain, quite robust, etc02:12
Lunar_LampPie-rate, I'm not quite sure - I know that things like apache produce pid files when run though.02:12
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_fnordsuperkirbyartist: have you installed more then one desktop?02:13
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un_operateursuperkirbyartist, check out !usplash02:13
_fnordlike kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop02:13
superkirbyartist_fnord: Previously I have tried KDE on Snow White iMac G3; too slow, so got rid of it.02:13
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superkirbyartistun_operateur: Those instructions are complicated!02:13
ubotuusplash is the start-up splash (before the login screen appears) in Ubuntu. To customize it, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto02:13
kitcheun_operateur: that howto is more about making a usplash from what I have read and what LjL said02:14
Pie-rateWhy do you need root to increase a processes priority anyway?02:14
needhelpI try to run a Windows-game through wine. Installing from CD1 works fine, but then it asks for CD2. the installer seems not to detect that I switched to CD2 and its keeps begging for the next disc. How to install that game?02:14
`richOkay, trying to share a folder on my ubuntu box (via SMB) and browse it from a windows box - I get asked for a login/pass but it doesn't accept my ubuntu login details. Am I missing something?02:14
biotro1Merry Christmas to all :)02:14
needhelpWithout switching to Windows02:14
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un_operateursuperkirbyartist, you could probably get away with  -- sudo sh -c "aptitude purge usplash; aptitude install usplash"02:15
Pie-rateneedhelp: #winehq and www.appdb.winehq.org02:15
biotro1Merry Christmas to you all02:15
kitcheneedhelp: there is a switch to tell wine to look for cdeject requests not sure the exact syntax of it though man wine should tell you the correct syntax02:15
_fnordneedhelp: did you give your cd rom drive a min to make sure it had time to load the game?02:15
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superkirbyartistun_operator; typed it right now.02:15
Lunar_Lamp<Pie-rate> Why do you need root to increase a processes priority anyway? <== Otherwise a non-trusted user could use all the systems processing power.02:15
Mx-so many people in here02:16
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superkirbyartistScore is -301; what does that mean?02:16
factboy818181does anyone use Starcraft in Ubuntu with wine?  if so, have you had any troubles with starcraft not taking up full screen?02:16
needhelp_fnord: yes, many minutes02:16
superkirbyartistIt asks me to accept or not?02:16
DILMX it is the ubuntu concept :-)02:16
_fnordi dont know then might just not be compatible02:16
needhelpkitche: thanks, ill look into it02:16
Mx-the african thing?02:17
un_operateursuperkirbyartist, _read_ the preceeding few lines, they ask you if you would like to uninstall a few packages02:17
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_fnordhow do i get a anmated splash screen?like the fingerprint/dna/hand one in kubuntu?02:18
superkirbyartistHow do I edit applications menu in Xubuntu?02:18
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_fnordalso still need to figure out whats wrong with my sound on a laptop02:18
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_fnordnevermind i got the sound but i still need help with teh splash screen02:20
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omglolfor my atherous wireless card, shd i use ndiswrapper with winxp drivers or madwifi02:21
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lupine_85omglol: madwifi every time02:22
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omglolk :)02:22
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superkirbyartistI installed Mac-On-Linux: how do I run it?02:22
omglolif i've installed ndiswrapper with winxp drivers shd i remove ndiswrapper?02:22
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_fnordwhat program do i use to network a mac to my computer so the mac can use my wifi?02:23
anandanbucan i change the grub so that the default booting OS is windows if so how can i do it02:23
un_operateuromglol, if ndiswrapper is currently set to use your network card -- you should remove it or disengage it02:23
eriksayssuperkirbyartist: are you experiencing problems running?02:23
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vox754omglol: no, it does nothing leaving it installed02:23
superkirbyartisteriksays: There is no Xfce menu link.02:24
un_operateuranandanbu, you edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file and set the default choice there02:24
Lunar_Lampanandanbu, you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.list - there is an option to select which number entry in your list it selects by default.  I think it starts counting from "0" as a warning (i.e. the first entry is called "0" the second "1" the third  "2")02:24
vox754edit it with gedit, or nano02:24
omglolu can try grubed02:24
anandanbuwhere is the file location02:24
un_operateuranandanbu, are you drunk? :)02:25
Lunar_Lampanandanbu, /boot/grub/menu.lst is the file location :-)02:25
anandanbuthnx Lunar_Lamp02:25
Lunar_Lampanandanbu, you will need root/sudo acces to save any changes to the file though.02:25
SillyZ!seen hawkind02:25
ubotuI haven't seen hawkind recently02:25
vox754!attitude > un_operateur02:26
SillyZ!seen haesslich02:26
ubotuI haven't seen haesslich recently02:26
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un_operateurvox754, thanks but it was not meant to offend, just some light humour :)02:26
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un_operateurvox754, you know... christmas time, merry spirits, etc ..02:27
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Stormx2How do I add "/usr/local/lib" to some config thing (maybe ld?) so that xchat can find .so files there?02:27
Stormx2Oh, and jesus loves you all ;-)02:28
un_operateurStormx2, what .so files is xchat missing?02:28
cafuego_Stormx2: /etc/ld.so.conf02:28
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Stormx2cafuego_: Just add "/usr/local/lib", yeah?02:29
nnStormx2: aww i <3 jesus02:29
Stormx2what a rocking guy02:29
Stormx2cafuego_: After that, should I restart xchat?02:29
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Stormx2I'll try anyway02:30
digin4damn gnome toolbars froze02:31
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djf8d7fawhat's the bash command to pipe output to a file?02:31
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Stormx2 AutoLoad failed for: /home/barney/.xchat2/audacious-show-1.2.0.so02:31
Stormx2 libaudacious.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory02:31
un_operateurpipe output or redirect output?02:31
Stormx2djf8d7fa: >> or >02:31
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about tomoe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:31
Gosha.. wee02:31
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vox754!Enter > Stormx202:31
Goshawhere did tomoe go?02:31
Stormx2djf8d7fa: One appends, one writes new.02:31
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ubotuuim: Simple and flexible input method collection and library. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.2.1-3ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 20 kB02:31
Stormx2vox754: yeah yeah02:31
Stormx2vox754: Gimme a break02:32
Blue_pHey, can someone help me with a pc problem - My pc wont detect my mp4 player at all02:32
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Stormx2vox754: You wanted !paste anyway ;-)02:32
Stormx2cafuego, still around?02:32
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cafuego_of course02:32
cafuego_do you expect me to have a life?02:33
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Stormx2cafuego_: I've added it, saved, etc02:33
Ellyhey guys...is there a way to install ubuntu with grsecurity patches?02:33
Stormx2cafuego_: Hahahaha.02:33
cafuego_No Mr Bond, I expect you to die!02:33
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Stormx2cafuego_: I restarted x-chat, but it still wouldn't load it (see the error I posted). Do I need to restart anything else?02:33
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Stormx2Still no show, same error.02:35
Stormx2cafuego ^^02:35
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Goshawhat happened to tomoe in edgy? >_<02:36
Stormx2Gosha: What is tomoe? lol02:36
cafuego_Stormx2: run 'ldd  /home/barney/.xchat2/audacious-show-1.2.0.so'02:36
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cafuego_Stormx2: Oh, whilst you're at it, cehck the permissions on stuff in /usr/local/lib02:37
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un_operateurStormx2, just wondering, you were asking earlier about adding "/usr/local/lib" in, but then you come out with missing .so in "/home.." -- are you sure you added the right dir in?02:37
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Goshatomoe = handwriting recognition stuff, japanese02:37
Stormx2un_operateur: Well the thing is in /usr/local/lib02:37
cafuego_un_operateur: the .so in home won't laod because of a lib it depends on, I expect that one is in /usr/local/lib02:37
Stormx2un_operateur: The x-chat plugin is in my ~02:37
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Stormx2libaudacious.so.4 => not found02:38
un_operateurright, i see02:38
superkirbyartistOK, someone gave me some code, and it REMOVED the splash screens both before and after desktop loads.  How can I set it back to normal?02:38
Stormx2libaudacious.so.4 is symlinked to this:02:38
Stormx2-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   194841 2006-12-16 02:02 libaudacious.so.4.0.002:38
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Stormx2Shall I 777 it for the hell of it?02:39
Stormx2cafuego_ ^^02:39
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LongkerDandyi want install Amule on my ubuntu server, i'm wondered if the "amule-daemon" just enough02:40
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nnStormx2: not a good idea. no02:40
DigitalNinjaI'm trying to umount /tmp. It's not working. The device is busy. Is there a way to forice a umount of /tmp?02:40
nnStormx2: 755 is fine02:40
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vox754superkirby: you can browse here http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=1170551402:41
Stormx2its not like its access denied02:41
Stormx2Its actually not finding it02:41
nnand where is it?02:41
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ubotuHi! Welcome to #ubuntu!02:42
nnis /usr/local/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf?02:42
vox754DigitalNinja: I guess you can't, it seems like a "system's folder"02:43
Stormx2nn: yeah02:43
cafuego_Stormx2: What does `file' say about libaudacious.so.4.0.0 ?02:43
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michelphappy holidays!  is there a way to upgrade my dapper install to edgy?  the update manager tells me there is a new distribution 6.06 LTS but i I want 6.1002:43
michelpwill 6.06 LTS let me update to 6.10?02:43
DigitalNinjavox754: I did it! I'm not sure how but /tmp is not mounted.02:43
ubotuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes02:43
un_operateur!upgrade | michelp02:43
ubotumichelp: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes02:43
nnmichelp: dapper you need to upgrade to breezy then up, i believe02:44
cafuego_DigitalNinja: stop all processes that are using /tmp (easiest is to go to single-user mode, runlevel 1)02:44
michelpsorry for the noise02:44
Stormx2cafuego_: How do I use it?02:44
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thoreauputicnn: no, breezy was before dapper :)02:44
cafuego_Stormx2: file <filename>02:44
vox754michelp: Dapper is 6.0602:44
Stormx2libaudacious.so.4.0.0: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped02:44
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michelpi think i might have breezy on this laptop02:44
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michelpit's not actually mine, i'm using edgy on mine, i'm upgrading a friend02:44
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nnthoreauputic: oh ya, i went fro hoary to edgy :)02:45
thoreauputicmichelp: breezy > dapper > edgy02:45
cafuego_michelp: 'lsb_release -a'02:45
Stormx2breezy < dapper < edgy02:45
Stormx2surely? ;)02:45
michelpah yes, i have breezy02:45
michelpso dapper first, then edgy02:45
thoreauputicnn: umm - annd it didn't break? Or you reinstalled , right?02:45
un_operateuryou should be able to go straight from breezy to edgy without any problems02:45
Ashton_KIt seems make menuconfig isn't working for me, gives me a bunch of "undeclared" and "implicit declaration" errors.02:45
Ashton_KAny ideas?02:45
lupine_85un_operateur: erm, no02:45
cafuego_Stormx2: Depends on whether they're greater than or arrows02:45
nnthoreauputic: i did upgrades, edgy => breezy => dapper => edgy02:46
Ashton_K(I have the metapackages the wiki told me I needed to compile a new kernel)02:46
nnAshton_K: you're missing ncurses-dev i bet02:46
cafuego_nn: liar02:46
thoreauputicStormx2: that's math, mine was arroes ;)02:46
nncafuego_: eh?02:46
Stormx2thoreauputic: haha ;) okay02:46
cafuego_nn: edgy => breezy?02:46
nnoh, hoary => breezy, not edgy02:46
Ashton_KLooks like I didn't have it, let's see if that fixes things.02:46
nncafuego_: Typo :)02:46
thoreauputicStormx2: I probably should have used -->02:46
Ashton_Knn: You're a genius.02:46
Stormx2thoreauputic: its okay, no worries :)02:46
Stormx2Ima go to bed soon, I think02:47
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cafuego_Does dist-upgrade from dapper to edgy work these days or will it bork a machine still?02:47
un_operateurlupine_85, errm, I managed to get from dapper to feisty alright -- i dont see why not02:47
Stormx2Ima just see if there is anything I can do to get this working...02:47
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ubotuCommon Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.02:47
Stormx2cafuego_: Does it normally not work?02:47
ubotuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes02:47
lupine_85put the two together... what do you get?02:47
nnAshton_K: nawh, just been using linux for almost 10 years now :)02:47
cafuego_Stormx2: Completely broke my machine when I did it02:47
Stormx2I swear I've broken sudo02:47
un_operateurlupine_85, conspiracy ?? :)02:48
Stormx2One minute02:48
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lupine_85un_operateur: yeah, something like that02:48
Stormx2sudo <command> does nothing...02:48
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cafuego_luckily I don't have peoblems with manaully fixing up an mdraid system and reinstalling without trashing /home02:48
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Stormx2no it does02:48
MrSproutCould someone help me with gnome themes.02:48
Stormx2just gedit02:48
MrSproutThey fail to install every time.02:48
lupine_85gksudo gedit ...02:48
lupine_85don't sudo gui apps02:48
un_operateurlupine_85, linux has always been about "work-for-me" it's always been that way, no progress gets by without it .. frankly i dont see the point of upgrading to a distro if you are going to use it for an hour02:49
Stormx2lupine_85: Yeah.02:49
Stormx2Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.02:49
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Stormx2I guess thats me launching gedit with sudo...02:49
lupine_85un_operateur: indeed. What was missing from your advice was the "I'll sit on IRC and help you if it breaks"02:49
Stormx2reboot time02:49
lupine_85I certainly don't fancy taking that one up02:50
kenshinQUESTION: Whenever I try to add a printer from gnome or KDE, CUPS seems freeze my PC so that I have to use the reset button. How can I troubleshoot and fix this? Using dapper.02:50
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un_operateurlupine_85, aye, mileage variation and all that -- fair enough :)02:51
thoreauputiccafuego: I tried the update thingy - it crashed half way through and I ended up doing aptitude dist-upgrade ; dpkg --configure -a ; dist-upgrade etc etc ( finally made it with a couple of apt-get -f installs thhrown in ;)02:51
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cafuego_thoreauputic: ... but after that it did boot up?02:51
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MrSproutCan anyone help me with gnome theme installation, I get a "wrong filetype" message every time I try to install one02:51
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thoreauputiccafuego: yes, but it had a few issues02:51
vanbergeif i've added a new monitor, whats the easiest way to reconfigure X ?  :-/  my new monitor supports 1280x1024 but can't set that in the screen resolution dialogue02:52
cafuego_thoreauputic: Ok, I'll just go for the fresh install then.02:52
thoreauputiccafuego: I'm just running dapper now ( I didn't see much i wanted in edgy)02:52
lupine_85!info python-kde3 feisty02:52
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cafuego_thoreauputic: For this box the newer beagle would be nice02:52
etunbemerry christmas, just installed xchat and by the face02:52
thoreauputiccafuego: although edgy is still there on my other partitons02:52
MrSproutand change all the highest monitor resolutions to the one you want02:52
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MrSproutand save02:52
MrSproutworked for me02:52
cafuego_thoreauputic: the edgy one doesn't normally eat 1GB of ram like the dapper one does.02:52
vanbergeMrSprout, the easiest way is to edit the file?02:53
thoreauputiccafuego:  beagle? *shudder*02:53
Ashton_Knn: So after "Make menuconfig" and "make" is there something else I'm missing?02:53
lupine_85vanberge: definitely02:53
MrSproutsudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf02:53
lupine_85gksudo gedit ...02:53
cafuego_thoreauputic: very handy when you have a few GB of mail you need to search02:53
thoreauputiccafuego: ah, well that's something I guess02:53
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nnAshton_K: make modules modules_install install02:53
nni think02:53
cafuego_thoreauputic: .. and a few tens of GB of legacy data (word docs etc)02:53
thoreauputiccafuego: I use sylpheed and couldn't see how to get beagle to acknowledge my mail's existence02:54
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cafuego_thoreauputic: in fact, VERY useful in that regard :-)02:54
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cafuego_thoreauputic: you can probably point it at your local maildir or mbox02:54
thoreauputicyes, for the word docs I can see the point02:54
SenesenceWill I ever have to defrag my ubuntu partition?02:54
cafuego_thoreauputic: mine picks up the evolution imap cache02:54
cafuego_Senesence: nope02:54
thoreauputicSenesence: no02:54
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Ashton_KStill building.02:55
SenesenceOk, I guess that takes care of me. Later guys happy holidays.02:55
Ashton_KThis might take a while.02:55
Ashton_KYou too Senesence02:55
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Ashton_KOh noes, errors.02:55
Ashton_KProbably because I mucked around in the .config files before using make menuconfig.02:56
Ashton_KSo anyways, when's 2.6.20 coming out, and is it worth upgrading from 17?02:57
MrSproutHow do I change icon sizes.02:57
MrSproutdefault icon sizes02:57
cafuego_Ashton_K: WIR is usual :-)02:57
cafuego_When Its Ready02:58
lupine_85Ashton_K: feisty has 2.6.20rc2 or something like that02:58
Ashton_KWell, yeah.02:58
Ashton_KI thought feisty was still a long way from release.02:58
cafuego_it didn't crash when I booted it the other day, though02:59
Ashton_KAny new features in .20 that'd make it worth the upgrade from .17?02:59
Ashton_KOh, you're running experimental? Brave man.02:59
Ashton_KOr woman, whatever.02:59
thoreauputicanyway edgy is no fun - it doesn't break any more ;p02:59
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Ashton_KThat's the problem with Linux users.02:59
Ashton_K"It's no fun if there's nothing to fix on my own!"02:59
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cafuego_thoreauputic: rm -rf /bin/bash; reboot02:59
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thoreauputicAshton_K: i like to have one stable install and one to play with :)03:00
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cafuego_you cna always try to get xen working under edgy03:00
thoreauputiccafuego: yeah, that would do it :)03:00
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levanderWhen I start bittornado, I keep getting an "Couldn't listen - (98, 'Adress already in use')" error.  Somebody can tell me how to get around this?03:02
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cafuego_levander: kill the prevuious instance that's using the bittorrent port03:03
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nnnjws01 login: jimmy.neutron03:04
Ashton_KPraying time!03:04
nn         Access denied. Please insert your smartcard and try again!03:04
ArithmomaniacI am having serious problems with the 915 resolution installation03:04
cafuego_Ashton_K: whatnow? why?03:04
Ashton_KSmartcard security?03:04
Ashton_KOh, joy!03:04
ArithmomaniacI have an Acer Aspire 164003:04
bushelhi @ all03:04
levandercafuego_: that's the thing, I thought I had.03:04
nnAshton_K: oh yeaaa03:04
cafuego_Ashton_K: make-kpkg03:04
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Ashton_Kcafuego, compiling a kernel so it'll like my wireless driver better.03:04
nn          You have connected to a U.S. government information system.03:04
kenshinwhat's a good channel to ask a cups question in?03:04
ArithmomaniacWith an intel 915GM card03:04
nn                       This device is administered by:03:04
nn             Department of Defense, Department of Ninja Affairs03:04
busheli try to conect to the inet but cant find kinternet03:04
Ashton_KOh my.03:04
nnwtf is dept of ninja affairs?03:04
levandercafuego_: but, I waited awhile, typed in above, and tried again, it started fine.  Maybe it just takes longer than usual for bittornado to release the port?03:05
ArithmomaniacI'm afraid I'm being lost...03:05
cafuego_levander: Just cehck what's using the port via 'netstat'03:05
Arithmomaniac...these should be forked03:05
Ashton_Klevander, or it's leaking internet connections.03:05
idlemindbecause bush is all smoke and mirrors03:05
Ashton_KWhich differs from other politicians how?03:05
ArithmomaniacAnyways, I have this 915 chipset..03:05
Arithmomaniac...And it only does 1024x76803:05
ArithmomaniacI have a 1280x800 monitor, so it is driven me crazy03:06
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Ashton_KHrm, shit monkeys.03:06
nnAshton_K: Im kind of confused about DNA :)03:06
Ashton_KWhen this thing is done, it's gonna write over my current kernel isn't it?03:06
ArithmomaniacI tried to edit my xorg, but it was read-only, and I don't know how to edit permossions03:07
nnare they really ninjas?03:07
nnAshton_K: No03:07
ArithmomaniacWhat cany I do about this?03:07
Ashton_Kk, good.03:07
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cafuego_Arithmomaniac: 'sudop dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'03:07
ArithmomaniacFirst, I tried the think on the wiki page03:07
Ashton_KWhat'll be called? Will it just add a few ABI numebrs?03:07
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Captain_RedbeardHmm I'm having troubles with java... I can't seem to get java 1.5 installed...03:08
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ArithmomaniacI did that, and I just ended up with more options than I can handle03:08
Ashton_KHrm, when this kernel compilation is done, where will the kernel image be located?03:08
ArithmomaniacFirst, the wiki page recomments enabling i81503:08
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Arithmomaniacfor the first box03:08
ArithmomaniacBut that is not even a question03:08
ArithmomaniacI mean, option03:08
thoreauputicCaptain_Redbeard: did you run  sudo update-alternatives --config java  ?03:08
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kenshinis there any reason not to upgrade from dapper to edgy?03:09
kitcheArithmomaniac: sure it is it's i810 not i81503:09
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ArithmomaniacBut then what about all the options afterwards?03:09
kitchekenshin: dapper is still being supported that's the only reason really03:09
Ashton_KKenshin, the Atheros chipset wireless cards are having spotchy problems in edgy.03:09
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Draxzohey guys.. any clue what program I can use to install a .bin file?03:09
Ashton_KMine is borked, but not all of them are.03:09
ArithmomaniacAnd after a long time, it asks for more screen resolutions...03:09
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kenshinAshton_K, don't have a wireless card, but thanks for the heads-up03:10
Arithmomaniac...which I could use...03:10
kitcheDraxzo" .bin is self-executable03:10
Captain_Redbeardthoreauputic: uhm... nopes thanks though I'll give it a try and i'll see what it yields03:10
thoreauputickenshin: 3 years support for 6.06 LTS, 18 months for edgy03:10
ArithmomaniacAnd none are 1280x80003:10
thoreauputicCaptain_Redbeard: you need to do that03:10
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hope13does it cost money for LTS version?03:10
Ashton_Kthoreaputic, that's paid support right?03:10
kenshincommercial support?03:10
thoreauputicCaptain_Redbeard: you just type the right number for it :)03:10
kitchehope13: no only for commerical support it costs03:10
Captain_Redbeardthoreauputic: wicked... :D03:10
thoreauputicAshton_K: no, just means the repos will be around longer I think03:11
ArithmomaniacThat's about where I got up to03:11
kenshinis #ubuntu the free support?03:11
Draxzokitche, how do I execute it? :)03:11
bizinichi`out of interest03:11
raxipyou tell me03:11
ArithmomaniacI'll do it again. why not03:11
Ashton_KSo Edgy is supposed to have a shorter lifespan?03:11
hope13it's every six month no?03:11
kitcheDraxzo: chmod +x <name>.bin then ./<name>.bin03:11
makuseruHi, I have a problem. I restarted my computer and after i rebooted i dont have sound anymore. Can someone help?03:11
thoreauputicAshton_K: yes, same as warty, hoary, breezy03:11
Ashton_K18 months vs 3 years.03:11
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hope13um i have breezy03:11
kitchehope13: ubuntu is released every 6 months03:11
Ashton_KDapper seems pretty damned stable though.03:11
hope13i don't have a blank cd03:11
Draxzooh, it's a .package kitche03:11
Ashton_KInternet upgrades.03:11
thoreauputicAshton_K: it is03:12
kitcheDraxzo: same way then03:12
hope13how do you do that?03:12
Ashton_KI might downgrade.03:12
Draxzosweet kitche :)03:12
hope13i'm new lol03:12
ArithmomaniacTHe autodetect does not work, so I'm going to the i81003:12
Ashton_KThis whole "No wireless thing" puts a tick in everything.03:12
bushelhow can I find Kinternet?03:12
Trynemj0elDraxzo, http://www.jonhoweonline.com/blog/node/8203:12
Captain_RedbeardUhm... what is the real difference in FrostWire and LimeWire..? FrostWire is opensource... but it has a close to identical interface?03:12
hope13lol i have broadcom03:12
Ashton_KIs fiesty gonna have LTS like Dapper?03:12
thoreauputicAshton_K: no03:12
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ubotufrostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire03:12
makuseruwhat is LTS?03:12
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thoreauputicAshton_K: I don't know how often the LTS releases are03:13
hope13is it in java?03:13
kitcheLong term support03:13
ubotuLTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.03:13
superkirbyartistOK, how do I install the splash before/after Ubuntu?03:13
hope13is frost wire in java?03:13
Ashton_KI'm not going to be able to babysit this machine, so I might downgrade to 6.0603:13
Draxzooh, thanks for the link Trynemj0el :)03:13
Pie-rateWhy does linux seem to be worse than windows at multitasking, especially for games? For example, if i'm running the Jedi Knight 2 Dedicated Server in the background on windows and i max out the priority, the server never lags. on linux with nice -20, the server lags when i open the game client.03:13
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Ashton_KThe users of these machines won't be able to tell the differences in the Kernels anyawys.03:13
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Ashton_KPie-Rate, it might be the IPv6 stack....03:14
Ashton_KI believe not everyone uses it yet.03:14
thoreauputicPie-rate: nice -20 ? that's extreme03:14
ArithmomaniacFinally, it works.03:14
ArithmomaniacI found 1280x80003:14
Ashton_KI mean hell, the EA BF2 server denies connections to those using IPv6.03:14
digin4argh nvidia drivers aren't working on edgy :(03:14
makuseruwhat is LTS?03:14
Pie-ratethoreauputic: yes, but it still doesn't totally remove all lag03:14
makuseruHi, I have a problem. I restarted my computer and after i rebooted i dont have sound anymore. Can someone help?03:14
Ashton_KAre you in the sound group?03:15
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thoreauputicPie-rate: I think you got the renice the wrong way round03:15
ArithmomaniacBut not it asks for the "best" rate, and the 1280x800 won't work03:15
neuratixmakuseru: check that both pcm and headphone volume is turned up03:15
Ashton_Kmakuseru: System -> Administration -> Users and Groups03:15
thoreauputicPie-rate: don't you want to renice other processes ?03:15
ArithmomaniacI mean, it's not there03:15
Pie-ratethoreauputic: the process sits at 0-1% usage anyway, why does it matter if its ultra-high priority?03:15
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ArithmomaniacShould I jsut pick the best one I know my monitor can do?03:16
thoreauputicPie-rate: *shrug* I might be misunderstanding you03:16
Ashton_KClick your name, check "Properties" and go to "User Priviledges," Make sure "Able to use Audio devices" is checked.03:16
ArithmomaniacI just don't know03:16
Ashton_K(I miss the old user groups in the GUI tool)03:16
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ArithmomaniacI accidentally pressed enter from the description03:16
ArithmomaniacAnd can't go back and read it03:16
Ashton_KArgh, still compiling03:17
ArithmomaniacI'll try 1024x76803:17
Pie-ratethoreauputic: basically i want the server process (the one i'm renicing to -20) to never ever lag, even if i'm trying to use all the system's resources with another program03:17
makuseruAshton_K: what does that have to do with sound?03:17
digin4what's the nvidia package name for edgy?03:17
ArithmomaniacOK. Not I have to turn off X-server...03:18
Ashton_KIf you aren't included in the "sound" group, it won't let you play sounds.03:18
cyphasedoes anyone know anything about network manager 0.7.0?03:18
kitchedigin4: nvidia-glx03:18
Ashton_KHence the "Allow to use audio devices" option.03:18
digin4kitche, it says it's broken :(03:18
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Ashton_KAnd, the make option returned: A shit ton of errors.03:20
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JAnYouHi, I am trying to make configuration of the Emacs using lisp. Is there some start guiline  to lisp programming?03:22
Ashton_KMaybe the more stable dapper would be wise for a machine that noobs will be using.03:22
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thoreauputicJAnYou: umm - have you tried googling for "lisp programming emacs" or similar?03:23
_fnordwhats e code name for 6.0603:23
Ashton_KDapper Drake actually03:23
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thoreauputicor "lisp configuration emacs" I suppose ...03:23
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kenThomsonMerry X'Mas!!!03:24
kenThomsonAnyone awake?03:24
thoreauputicsort of03:24
hope13merry xmas03:24
NikolasJesusmas insult kazakhstan03:24
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thoreauputicNikolas: chill03:25
hope13merry kwaza03:25
kenThomsonDo any of you use fs-driver.org's drivers to write files to ext3 fron Windows?03:25
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lupine_85meh. you lot are all a bunch of monotheists anyway03:25
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hope13i'm agnostic lol03:25
lupine_85Nikolas: my gods kick the, ahem, bottom of your god any day03:25
thoreauputicOK before this gets out of hand - religion is off-yopic03:25
lupine_85I know :) sorry03:25
Ashton_KMerry Christmas, it isn't a christian holiday anyways (athiest here)03:25
Lunar_Lamplupine_85, monotheist and proud I am ;-)03:25
NikolasFor the record: I'm not from kazakhstan and I'm an atheist03:26
hope13yeaaah athiest!03:26
thoreauputic*cough* I *really* don't want to kick people today....03:26
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Lunar_Lampthoreauputic, sorry, though I still wish everyone a Happy Christmas :-)03:26
kenThomsonNow if i could get some attention, once the religious summit is over; Do any of you use fs-driver.org's drivers to write files to ext3 from Windows?03:26
thoreauputicOK :)03:26
hope13i dunno03:27
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thoreauputickenThomson: no windows on my boxen, sorry03:27
hope13how do i update my ubuntu from 5.10 to 6.10 without having a blank cd?03:27
Lunar_LampkenThomson, I don't, but I believe they work well.03:27
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Ashton_KNo, I don't.03:27
makuseruis there anyway to add free space on a drive to another partition03:27
QwertyMmmm, how does one disable maximize and minimize effects in gnome ?03:27
Ashton_KI'd imagine they work fine though, since ext3 and 2 are open source.03:27
Ashton_KSo open source drivers for windows to write/read ext2 and 3 should be fine.03:28
lupine_85I know the ext2 one works well03:28
omglolim trying to setup my wifi card. wifi radar dont show anything. but iwconfig shows the card is detected. whats wrong?03:28
lupine_85dunno about the ext3 one03:28
Ashton_KI'm still leary of ntfs-36.03:28
kenThomsonOne more thing how many of you are on GNOME and on KDE. And what do you recommend form both this environments from your personal experience?03:28
Ashton_KI don't know why ext3 wouldn't work.03:28
hope13is the wifi a broadcom?03:28
Ashton_KGnome here.03:28
Ashton_KI want to try Beryl (does that replace X? Or does it replace Gnome?)03:28
lupine_85omglol: how about sudo iwlist <interface> ?03:28
lupine_85Ashton_K: neither. it replaces metacity03:28
hope13x is always with unix03:28
makuseruis there anyway to add free space on a drive to another partition03:28
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lupine_85my wifi card doesn't play well with scanning and not being a root user. Quite strange.03:29
kenThomsonmakuseru: I dont think so03:29
thoreauputicmakuseru: use gparted from the live CD03:29
slickycan i install kde when iv already got gnome installed?03:29
kenThomsonPeople KDE or GNOME, and why?03:29
Lunar_LampkenThomson, kde is more widely used and slightly closer to default windows. I used it for a long time then switched to GNOME when I changed to ubuntu.  It's a bit different, but they are both good imo.  I prefer gnome now as I'm more used to it.03:29
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omglollupine_85: i get unknown command 'wlan0'03:29
hope13Gnome cuz it's default with ubuntu lol03:29
lupine_85erm, add a scan between iwlist and <interface> :)03:29
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makuseruthoreauputic: i want to keep my root partition, im just trying to add space i have to the partition03:30
kenThomsonLunar_Lamp: I was looking for some strong reasons aside for the lethargy to change defaults, thanks anyways :)03:30
omglollupine_85: i get 'no sacn results'03:30
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kenThomsonlupine_85: KDE or GNOME and why?03:30
Ashton_KI prefer Gnome, cleaner.03:30
Ashton_KLess clutter.03:30
hope13GNOME cuz it's default03:30
hope13and it make life easier03:30
Ashton_KAnd I found that Kubuntu for some reason doesn't work quite the same.03:30
slideIs there anyway to make it so when a file is created in a certain directory, it will automatically take on the owner/group from the parent dir?03:30
Ashton_KAnd gave me issues with nvidia-glx.03:30
SmashCatHi, anyone here any good with wine? I need to set a virtual desktop for an app, but winecfg has that option greyed out, so I'm wondering where it stores settings so I can do it manually.03:30
lupine_85kenThomson: either, because life is too short to care03:30
thoreauputicmakuseru: it depends how your partitions are configured, really - tomergae partitions you have to do destructive stuff03:31
eztkanyone happen to know how to undo xmodmap changes... i tried to disable control + backspace.. but it seems to have messed up certain keys03:31
thoreauputicmakuseru: umm - I meant "to merge partitions"03:31
Ashton_KWhat are the differences between ext2, 3, and the new 4 anyways?03:31
makuserui have a happer03:31
makuserudestructive enough?03:31
hope13um how can update from 5.10 to 6.10 w/o a blank cd? is there a way?03:31
kenThomsonlupine_85: Apart from philosophy if we could shrink it down to the pragmatic level, why?03:31
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thoreauputicmakuseru: heheh - not strong on metaphors are you ;-)03:32
kenThomsonAshton_K: The Ext3 file system is the Ext2 file system which has been extended by journaling. Ext3 is backward-compatible to Ext2 - an Ext3 volume can be mounted and used as an Ext2 volume. Just as older Linux Kernels which do not know the Ext3 file system can mount Ext3 volumes (as Ext2 volumes), the Ext2 file system driver ext2fs.sys for Windows incorporated in this software package can do...03:32
kenThomson...it without any problems, too. Of course you do not take advantage of the journaling of the Ext3 file system if you mount it as an Ext2 file system.03:32
makuseruthoreauputic: i was being scarcastic03:32
thoreauputicmakuseru: yes, i gathered - so was I :)03:32
Ashton_Kken, any major advantages to using one, or the other?03:32
lupine_85kenThomson: really. use whatever you like03:32
thoreauputicmakuseru: hence the smiley03:33
lupine_85although linus torvalds says use KDE... :p03:33
kenThomsonlupine_85: As far as your choice goes....what do you recommend? (is it really hard to answer me)03:33
kenThomsonlupine_85: yeah i heard that03:33
Ashton_KTry them both out.03:33
Ashton_KIt's a preference thing.03:33
_fnord<----loves kde03:33
lupine_85I only make a recommendation when it's likely to be useful03:33
kenThomsonAshton_K: Ext2 = newer, safer, journalled.03:34
idlemindkde seems to flashy to me03:34
kenThomsonAshton_K: *Make that EXT#03:34
lupine_85that said, I find that the KDE integrated apps tend to be better than the GNOME integrated aps03:34
Ashton_KExt2 is newer?03:34
Ashton_KAh, 3.03:34
kenThomsonAshton_K: *Make that EXT303:34
lupine_85so use KDE, why not?03:34
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thoreauputicmakuseru: the basic problem is that you can't push one partition into another - you have to destroy something to make space03:34
Ashton_K(What the hell is Journaling, or would it be hard to explain?)03:34
kitcheAshton_K: ext3 is being replaced in a while with ext403:34
lupine_85it's a record of all your disc operations03:34
_fnordive noticed kde runs slower on my computer and other agree,yet people also agree the gnome runs slower on thiers,s try t out see whch one works best03:34
lupine_85an, ahem, journal of them :p03:34
omglollupine_85: i get unknown command 'wlan0' when i do 'iwlist wlan0 scanning03:35
omglollupine_85: i get unknown command 'wlan0' when i do 'iwlist wlan0 scanning'03:35
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Ashton_KLupine, did you strip it down or something?03:35
lupine_85omglol: iwlist wlan0 scan != iwlist wlan0 scanning03:35
_fnordkde is great for eyecandy03:35
lupine_85Ashton_K: no, it was like that OOTB03:35
Ashton_KMust be a library thing.03:35
makuseruthoreauputic: well, i only have one partition, the other WAS a partition, i eraced it, so now its just "free"03:35
lupine_85xubuntu vs. kununtu03:35
lupine_85erm, kubuntu03:35
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omglollupine_85: i get no scan results03:36
Ashton_KPersonally, I find Gnome to be better.03:36
thoreauputicmakuseru: then you can expand into the free space03:36
Ashton_KCleaner, faster, etc.03:36
Ashton_KBut that's just in my experience.03:36
thoreauputicmakuseru: or make it a partition03:36
Ashton_K(Although SUSE has a pretty freaking nice setup on KDE)03:36
lupine_85omglol: are you in range of the AP? Is SSID broadcast enabled? any errors in dmesg?03:36
lupine_85SuSE-- :p03:36
makuseruthoreauputic: im trying to expand my root into that free space03:36
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Ashton_KI feel like capitalizing the u, so sue me.03:36
thoreauputicmakuseru: is it "next door" ?03:36
kenThomsonPeople: What bittorent clients you use? (i find the choices in GNOME to be extremely limited)03:36
kenThomsonlupine_85: ktorrent looks like sh*t on GNOME :(03:37
makuseruktorrent > any other torrent client ever03:37
Ashton_KLooks aren't important with bittorrent.03:37
thoreauputicmakuseru: maybe make a new partition, and copy over something from the root partition - like /var/ or /usr or whatever03:37
omglollupine_85: im close enough.. on my laptop i can see 3 ap... on my problematic desktop i see none03:37
d3bian<ken> you can just use bt03:37
Ashton_KWould installing the kde libraries help with those look issues.03:37
kenThomsonAshton_K: but it shouldn't hurt my eyes, or should it?03:37
kenThomsonlupine_85: what is that?03:37
thoreauputicmakuseru: of course you would need to fiddle with /etc/fstab and so on03:37
Ashton_KEh, doesn't matter, tbh.03:37
lupine_85!info rtorrent03:38
uboturtorrent: ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.3-1 (edgy), package size 232 kB, installed size 636 kB03:38
Ashton_KI'd take a text-based torrent client actually.03:38
lupine_85it's quite nice03:38
Ashton_KIsn't Azureus open source?03:38
Ashton_KIf so, a lot of trackers trust it.03:38
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kenThomsonlupine_85: You use rtorrent or ktorrent?03:38
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busheli9s there anybody that could help with a setup of a dailup connection ppp?03:39
Ashton_KThat being said, does Beryl even use KDE or Gnome, or is it something proprietary?03:39
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lupine_85kenThomson: ktorrent at home; rtorrent in london03:39
lupine_85Ashton_K: beryl is WM-independent03:39
Ashton_KThat's what I thought.03:39
lupine_85it's built on cairo, glib and libwnck  -all open-source03:39
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lupine_85beryl itself is GPL :)03:39
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Ashton_KI knew that.03:39
thoreauputicmakuseru: doing that would free space on your root partition - and once it all works you can erase the original /var/ or /usr  etc03:39
Ashton_KThat being said.03:40
Ashton_K6.10 isn't doing what I need.03:40
CmwebIs their any way to limit my networks port 80 to 2KB?   so that when they connect to the internet through my pc they only get 2KB and it does not go any lower or higher. That way we always have a constant speed03:40
Ashton_KTime to downgrade.03:40
makuseruthoreauputic: i didnt understand any of that03:40
Ashton_KEasy way to do it with apt, or should I just find the disc?03:40
thoreauputicmakuseru: hmmm - well maybe it isn't a good idea to do it then :)03:40
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kenThomsonAshton_K: and what does it not do?03:40
bushelif there is anybody that could help with a setup of dailup internet conection, please tell me how to do it :) room _> ppp_setup03:41
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kenThomsonbushel: pppconf03:41
Ashton_KSeems more powerful, newer kernels, but I'm not going to be available to babysit this machine.03:41
bushelyes pppconfic03:41
Ashton_KThis is going to someone who will just want it to work, without them fiddling with it.03:41
rtrentocould someone help me with a problem I am having printing in xubuntu03:41
kenThomsonbushel: type "sudo pppconf" at a terminal and follow the wizard03:41
Ashton_KEasy way to downgrade in apt to Dapper, or is the disc wiser?03:42
thoreauputicmakuseru: I was suggesting shuffling stuff off "root" onto new partitions you create in the free space, then removing the originals afterwards - but you would need to understand what you were doing03:42
makuseruthoreauputic: is there not a program that will do it?03:42
makuseruthoreauputic: i dont have enough freespace to do that03:42
thoreauputicmakuseru: several - but you still need to know what you are doing03:42
kitcheAshton_K: there is no way to downgrade from within you iwll have to doa complete reinstall03:42
Ashton_KProbably cleaner that way.03:43
thoreauputicmakuseru: how much space do you have?03:43
makuseruim on a 9gb drive, 2gb is in free space, and the rest is my root03:43
CmwebIs their any way to limit my networks port 80 to 2KB?   so that when they connect to the internet through my pc they only get 2KB and it does not go any lower or higher. That way we always have a constant speed03:43
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Ashton_KI'll be back on the other box.03:43
Ashton_K... eventually.03:43
thoreauputicmakuseru: how much of the 9GB is used now?03:43
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thoreauputicmakuseru: hmm - yes well....03:43
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thoreauputicmakuseru: how about making the 2GB your /home ? Or part of it?03:44
makuseruhow do i do that?03:44
OkinawaInstructodoes anyone know how to remove xsane without removing ubuntu desktop also... I am having problems getting my scanner to work and somone suggested to remove and reinstall xsane03:44
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thoreauputicmakuseru: depends how much data yoou have of course...03:44
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bretzelCentrino Core Duo make things fast! especially @compile-time! :-)03:45
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jackycxhI am newbie to Ubuntu.03:45
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thoreauputicmakuseru: running out of ideas here in that case :)03:45
kitcheOkinawaInstructo: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package that is safe to remove03:46
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OkinawaInstructokitche: thanks, i thought it would remove my desktop also03:46
thoreauputicmakuseru: just make the 2GB a data partition and mount it as /data or something  I guess03:46
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nix_ferretThis is probably going to sound pretty handicapped, but... can you use KDE apps if you're using Gnome?03:46
makuseruhow do i do that?03:47
thoreauputicnix_ferret: sure03:47
SpacePuppynix_ferret: yup03:47
thoreauputicmakuseru: *cough* have you looked at gparted? So you have a live CD?03:47
nix_ferretIs there anything I should know? Like incompatibilities?03:47
bretzelnix_ferret: uh? you can run kde apps in gnome, and gnome-apps in kde :-)03:47
thoreauputic!gparted | makuseru03:47
ubotumakuseru: gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php03:47
makuserui have qtparted03:47
thoreauputicmakuseru: that would be fine03:48
makuserui ment how do i mount it03:48
bretzelthoreauputic -- yeah, last release seems cool to use ( gparted )03:48
thoreauputicmakuseru: put an entry in /etc/fstab for it03:48
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rj45hi my friends03:48
nix_ferretOk, cool. Segway into my next one... Can I switch b/w Gnome and KDE in a dynamic sense. Like maybe at boot time?03:48
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thoreauputicmakuseru: you can also mount manually with something like  sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hd* /data03:49
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thoreauputicmakuseru: but that gets old fast03:49
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ValmarkoWhat is the best dvd player ?03:51
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makuseruvalmarko: okie03:51
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thoreauputicValmarko: hah - matter of opinion03:51
omglolis the kernel inside /usr/src/linux?03:51
leprasmurfhow can I check if a particular module is loaded?  modprobe -l|grep module ?03:51
makuseruvalmarko: okle**03:51
bretzelany tried ubuntu based LinuxMint ?03:51
Valmarkoright :) tanks03:51
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thoreauputicValmarko: vlc, totem-xine, mplayer .....03:52
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omglolwhere is the ubuntu kernel located03:52
thoreauputicomglol: /boot03:52
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bking39116hello all!  does anyone have exp. with Brother HL-1440 laser printer and CUPS?03:53
thoreauputicomglol: the actual kernel is "vmlinuz-* " ( with some numbers)03:53
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ubotuA large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?03:54
Rprphmm, i tried to install mysqldb, but i fail, so whats wrong with this: http://rafb.net/p/RDQTOh23.html ?03:54
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kitcheRprp: do you have build-essential installed?03:58
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kitcheRprp: you can install the binry package probably be easier for you03:58
kitcheSince there is a lot of syntax errors according to the paste that you posted03:59
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Rprphm. :?04:00
Rprpi tried apt-get,... it works. but it says only Connection to MySQL failed (In a script) and the settigns are oke04:01
omgloli installed wireless drivers for acx100, and when i do iwlist wlan scan i get "Interface doesn't support scanning: Resource temporarily unavailable".  cant figure out :(04:01
omglolwifi radar doesnt show anything04:02
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goukiomglol: Have you ifconfig wlan up ?04:02
jackycxhmaybe you kernel had not found the new WL device.04:03
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jackycxhomglol: can you find it in dmesg?04:03
omglolgouki: i did that and i did the scan again and i got "no scan results"04:03
CmwebCan any one tell bushel how to install a modem in edgy04:04
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goukiomglol: Just to make sure: iwlist wlan scanning04:04
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omgloljackycxh: i do dmesg | grep wlan0 i get wlan0(WE) driver using old /prov/net/wireless support, please see fix driver04:05
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omgloland wlan0: link is not ready04:05
xyzcan any one help04:05
omglolgouki: i did that and get the same error04:05
QwertyMmmm, how does one disable maximize and minimize effects in gnome ?04:05
omglolgouki: i did that and get the same error: no scan results04:05
xyz i get04:06
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xyz configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check04:06
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Ashton_KHooray for watching TV on a computer.04:06
goukiomglol: Are you sure there are WiFi networks around?04:06
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Ashton_KSlightly important to using a wifi card.04:07
omglolgouki: my laptop beside me sees 3 networks04:07
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omglolmy dmesg says driver using old /prov/net/wireless support, please fix driver"04:07
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jackycxhomglol: maybe something wrong with your driver of WL device.04:09
vaporglowfast question: is VMware of any use for playing windows games on linux without having to dual boot?04:09
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kitchevaporglow: it's slow04:09
vaporglowboth graphic intense and non graphic intense04:09
idlemindvaporglow: vmware isn't 3d accel. so most games no04:09
omgloljackycxh: i followed the acx wiki instructions and used the latest stable driver04:10
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vaporglowso wine is the only option, and a buggy option at best04:10
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Ashton_Kif you want intensive games, dual boot is the only way to go, tbh.04:10
Ashton_KEspecially if you want online.04:10
Ashton_KPunkbuster reportedly doesn't like you running games on Wine.04:11
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QwertyMmmm, how does one disable maximize and minimize effects in gnome ?04:11
vaporglownot really worried about playing counterstrike04:11
etunbeQwertyM: effects?04:11
vaporglowfor instance... would something like starcraft work?04:11
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Ashton_KCounterstrike doesn't use PunkBuster.04:11
vaporglowor Civ 404:11
QwertyMetunbe, those rectangulr boxes closing on to bottom or going up04:12
QwertyMdefault gnome max/min effects04:12
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jackycxhCan you try to downgrade the driver to a lower version.04:12
etunbeQwertyM: understand... no idea... are they so unconfortable?04:12
QwertyMetunbe, I find it irritating :)04:13
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etunbeQwertyM: first time i realize they are there... and my machine is 5 years old ;)04:14
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aa ~~   bb04:15
etunbeok, i want to wish all ubuntu users a marry christmas and that 2007 be the year04:15
nix_ferretmarry xmas to u 204:15
nix_ferretand merry too04:16
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nix_ferretIs there a list of good laptops to use w/ ubuntu?04:17
bking39116how does one solve a "printer not connected; retry in 30 seconds" error with Brother HL-1440 laser connected via USB.  printer will print until it goes to sleep and then will not wake.04:17
bking39116printint via cups04:17
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astroboy #slug04:20
Mark1412I NEED AN .AVI CONVERTER!!!04:20
Mark1412WHERE CAN I GET ONE04:20
ubotumark1412: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.04:20
apokryphosMark1412: drop the caps please.04:20
etunbenix_ferret: may be www.linux-laptop.net?04:20
Mark1412:) merry christmas04:20
lupine_85Mark1412: mencoder04:21
lupine_85you already have one, probably04:21
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Cmwebcan some one test my irc server? cmweb.zapto.org the channel: #mshome04:21
apokryphosCmweb: not the place to be asking that. This is an Ubuntu support channel.04:22
apokryphosyou could perhaps try in #ubuntu-offtopic04:22
Cmwebi know but i get no feedback in the offtopic04:22
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apokryphosCmweb: that doesn't make this place the right place.04:22
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toulouselol he just wants someone to test it04:22
Ashton_KOnly if the IRC server is run on Ubuntu.04:22
ubotuiacd: IRC Server. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.26-5 (edgy), package size 66 kB, installed size 280 kB04:22
tsukoharucan someone please help me04:22
ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)04:22
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etunbetsukoharu: no money04:23
tsukoharuim looking to format my hd with ubuntu on it, but i dont know how to make a windows partition04:23
Ashton_KInstall windows first.04:23
Ashton_KThen Ubuntu.04:23
zzzerotimehi, I have a nvidia ck8s soundcard integrated in my motherboard, under windows it can get up to 5.1, but under linux, its not even getting 2.1, but just 2.0, so only the 2 front speakers sound, how can i fix this? I have checked that surround and center control volumes are set04:23
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tsukoharui cant04:23
tsukoharuwhen i put in the cd nothing happens04:23
Ashton_KCheck your BIOS.04:23
tsukoharuthen again the cd player doesnt work at all since i installed ubuntu04:23
toulousecheck the bios04:23
Ashton_KMake sure the boot order is set so CD is before harddrive.04:23
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zzzerotimeAshton_K, any idea?04:24
linux_user400354why would someone do make oldconfig and then run make menuconfig. are they using an old config or making a new one?04:24
kitchelinux_user400354: they are using the old config as a base for menuconfig04:24
linux_user400354kitche: is that what you do?04:24
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kitchelinux_user400354: no I load my old config right in menuconfig makes it easier04:25
Ashton_KNo, I'm not very good with soundcards.04:25
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kitcheCmweb: doesn't work04:25
Cmwebin iacd how do i become a registerd user04:25
Cmwebdanget dam firewall04:25
linux_user400354kitche: since its my first time and i dont have a .config yet, i probably should use a base config. what do you think?04:26
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IndyGunFreakyeah, but just think how much nonsense that firewall has kept off your PC.04:26
kitchelinux_user400354: make oldconfig should bring int he config that is in /proc if that's where ubuntu stores it04:26
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Cmwebkitche, try again please04:26
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FunnyLookinHat!grue | Cmweb04:26
ubotuCmweb: The grue is a sinister, lurking presence in the dark places of the earth. Its favorite diet is adventurers, but its insatiable appetite is tempered by its fear of light. No grue has ever been seen by the light of day, and few have survived its fearsome jaws to tell the tale. Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grue_(monster)04:26
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GRUEfairly clever i guess04:28
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tsukoharuhow do i access my bios04:30
tsukoharui try different f keys none work >.<04:30
NoPulpdelete somtimes04:30
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xlr8n4dPlease please please santa bring me a linux distro that I am smart enough to load and not have to keep pestering the forums and IRC chat about.04:30
NoPulpsanta uses OpenBSD04:30
Ashton_KI want a shirt that says "Can't sleep, may be eaten by Grues"04:31
xlr8n4dtsukoharu, might have luck with esc or del keys.04:31
NoPulpi have many openBSD shirts04:31
omglolwhre should i put my wireless' firmware?04:31
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vaporglowmmmm zork04:32
Ashton_KTry /usr/src/modules?04:32
tsukoharunone work04:32
NoPulpwhat type of computer is it tsukohara ?04:32
tsukoharucan someone tell me which key to press for a thinkpad?04:32
Ashton_KDon't you hate forgetting the space before you put a directory location in IRC, and it simply says "No such command"04:32
tsukoharunone seem to work04:32
tsukoharuNoPulp: its a thinkpad77004:32
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NoPulp ThinkPad 770, 770E/ED. ... To enter the Easy-Setup BIOS utility, press and hold the F1 key, then turn on the computer04:34
IndyGunFreakWhats the name of that program for Kubuntu, that is like gdesklets for Ubuntu?04:34
IndyGunFreakits on the end of my tongue.04:34
IndyGunFreakthats it, thank you04:34
Ashton_KOh yeah, what was the name of that yahoo-widget like program that's not stable yet, jackfield was it?04:34
tsukoharuNoPulp: i remember doing this before; there is no option for which order the cd etc boot up; its called "simple bios" for a reason04:35
neuratixhows the syntax for the "Contains the text:" field in the gnome search thingy ?04:35
IndyGunFreakok, one other stupid question,04:35
Ashton_Ktsukoharu, you might in trouble then.04:36
Ashton_KUhhh, remove HD, boot CD, put HD back in, mount, go?04:36
IndyGunFreakI have Ubuntu 6.10, with the Gnome and KDE and Xfce interface installed, all side by side.04:36
IndyGunFreakhow do i accessthe online wallpapers you have access to in KDE04:36
tsukoharuashton: cant i just format ubuntu04:36
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tsukoharuever since i installed ubuntu i had problems with video, sound, floppy etc04:37
Ashton_KWell, I know Ubuntu you can read/write NTFS.04:37
Ashton_KI dunno if formatting is a possibility.04:37
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tsukoharuthen how the heck am i gonna get my network card to work04:37
IndyGunFreakwhy would formatting not be a possibility?04:37
Ashton_KBecause he can't boot to a CD.04:37
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Ashton_KOh, I don't know if Ubuntu can format NTFS.04:38
IndyGunFreakuggly... thats why Linux should always have its own dedicated drive.04:38
tsukoharuidk my bro did everything for me04:38
tsukoharuhe lives in another state04:38
IndyGunFreakits nice to partition drives, etc, butif you can't live w/o windows, which when most of us are spreading our wings, we can't, its best to buy another hard drive for Linux04:38
omglolhow do i copy a directory? i did cp default default2 and i got "cp: omitting directory 'default'"04:39
tsukoharuits not that i dont like linux04:39
Cheste1hello, could anybody tell me how can i disable the maximizing and minimizing frame effects of nautilus windows in gnome04:39
tsukoharui dont like any os if i cant get on the dam internet04:39
Ashton_KIndy, or for those of us who game.04:39
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IndyGunFreakAshton_K: definitely04:39
IndyGunFreaktetris is the extent of my gaming...lol, and Ubuntu has like 3 different versions of that, so i'm happy..lol04:39
lupine_85omglol: cp -a04:40
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tsukoharuso am i screwed then04:40
Cheste1could anybody tell me how can i disable the maximizing and minimizing frame effects of nautilus windows in gnome04:41
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isaiChestel, I don't think you can...the only guy I knew who did it commented out the code and recompiled it (metacity).04:42
NoPulpthinkpad 770 should be able to boot from cd .... google says so so it must be true04:42
isaiChestel, admittedly that was a while back.04:42
graftargh... why do these madwifi drivers work so poorly? i'm always getting this 'NETDEV_UP ath0: link is not ready' error, and then i usually have to reboot04:42
graftanyone seen that before?04:42
Cheste1isai dude i did that before through gconf-editor04:42
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Cheste1but can't the setting right now04:43
Cheste1can't find*04:43
isaiChestel, yeah like I said it was awhile back... :)04:43
toulousehey guys, how would i join this room throught gaim?04:43
toulouseim using xchat-gnome04:43
Cheste1any way you could help me find the setting in gconf-editor04:43
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cafuego_toulouse:  add channel04:43
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cafuego_toulouse: or add chat04:44
StrykerzIs the pool open or closed?04:44
isaiill see if I can find it, I dont like it either.04:44
cafuego_Strykerz: closed, it's far too cold04:44
Strykerzdue to what?04:44
Strykerzstingrays or AIDS?04:44
toulousehey cafuego, do i go to join chat?04:44
cafuego_Strykerz: excessive trolls04:45
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kitchetoulouse: you just type in /join #ubuntu and you will join when you connect to freenode04:45
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toulouseerkkk im not too great at working gaim i'll give it a shot04:45
omglolwhere do i find my hotplug scripts?04:45
bruenigtoulouse, gaim is pretty hard...04:46
thoreauputictoulouse: xchat is much better for Irc anyway....04:46
toulousegaim seems simple04:46
toulousebut i cant find where to type join04:46
thoreauputictoulouse: it's limited for irc04:46
NoPulpgaim is annoying for IRC04:46
toulousei'll just use xchat04:46
toulousei gtg04:46
thoreauputictoulouse: wise decision :)04:46
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ShadowpillarStrykerz: lol 7chan?04:48
Jimersonwow 800+ users..04:49
NoPulpim hungry :(04:49
JimersonIs there a mac specific channel?04:49
Shadowpillarpos network card died04:49
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tsukoharuNoPulp: it has a crappy thing called "easy setup"04:50
tsukoharui dont see anything for cd rom04:50
tsukoharulet alone for anything i need to change04:50
NoPulphow old is it ?04:50
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tsukoharubut the thing is it worked yesterday when i had windows04:50
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NoPulpdoie it have a floppy ?04:50
tsukoharuNoPulp: external04:51
tsukoharudoesnt work either04:51
JimersonAnyone familiar with wireless networking on a G5?04:51
tsukoharuare u telling me there is no internal command04:51
tsukoharuto format the hard drive ubuntu lies on04:51
lupine_85mkfs.<fs> /dev/<devicefile>04:51
StrykerzJimerson sur04:51
Strykerz/rm -rf04:51
Strykerzdoes wonders04:52
JimersonThank you04:52
Ashton_KOf course, it'll also screw you over.04:52
Ashton_KBe careful.04:52
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dabaRJimerson: what card do you have?04:53
tsukoharuim screwed :P04:53
tsukoharuthere is 2 choices04:53
Ashton_KCommon feeling.04:53
JimersonAirport extreme04:53
tsukoharuto get windows so my network card works04:53
tsukoharuor somehow magically make my ethernet adapter work for ubuntu04:53
NoPulpwhy dosent the ethernet work ?04:54
tsukoharui cant install it04:54
tsukoharumy bro said there is no module for it in ubuntu04:54
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em1258hello ;)04:54
kitchetsukoharu: what chipset is on your ethernet or what card do you have04:54
dabaRJimerson: is it Broadcom BCM4311?04:54
em1258folks, what is the package to install all the X server stuff?04:54
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xdragonxcan someone help me with drivers for my 9550 ati card?04:55
tsukoharudynex dx-e201 network pc card04:55
kitcheem1258: xorg04:55
linux_user400354what is ipc namespaces?04:55
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cafuego_tsukoharu: what does 'lspci' say about the chipset?04:55
Jimersondabar: I'm unsure how to check that. Is there a terminal command from os x I can use to check that?04:55
tsukoharukitche dynex dx-e201 network pc card04:55
hope13what does df stand for?04:55
kitchehope13: disk free04:56
tsukoharucafuego let me see04:56
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dabaRem1258: I think x-window-system-core04:56
cafuego_linux_user400354: namepaces for IPC, so you can have separate IPC segments for various apps04:56
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odathi everyone04:56
xdragonxdoes 9550 use composite?04:56
hope13ooo thx04:56
odatis the 64bit version worth it?04:56
cafuego_odat: Not if you want flash and java in your web browser04:57
em1258dabar: that don't exist ;004:57
linux_user400354cafuego_ im lost04:57
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em1258kitche xorg doesnt exist either04:57
cafuego_linux_user400354: select the option in the kernel and press 'help'.04:57
dabaRx-window-system-core exists here. or just install ubuntu-desktop if you want gnome too04:57
sleepytomIs there a way to get an internet connection when running Windows via VMware?04:57
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odatso nothing is ready for 64 bit then04:57
xdragonxim using ubuntu 6.10 edgy, do i need "composite" "0" in my xorg.conf04:57
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odati thought everything was backward compatible04:57
dabaR!info x-window-system-core04:57
ubotux-window-system-core: transitional package for Debian etch. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:7.1.1ubuntu6.2 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 44 kB04:57
cafuego_odat: That seems a bit of a generalisation04:58
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xdragonxor "true" or "false" or "1"04:58
em1258dabar - thank u. i had mispelled it ;)04:58
tsukoharucafuego: pretty much i just bought this new card, i put it in ubuntu doesnt recognize it so it doesnt even turn on :P04:58
julian__has anyone here ever worked in gentoo04:58
em1258how come installing things like GNOME doesn't get xorg installed?04:58
odatcafuego, in other words 64 bit is just to much of a headache?04:58
em1258julian- yea04:58
dabaRJimerson: ask cafuego04:58
tsukoharucafuego its a pcmcia card04:58
cafuego_odat: it pretty much is, except neither java nor flash are open, so unless SUn and Adobe pull their fingers out...04:59
julian__do u think compiling the software is worth it for the speed increase04:59
jkellyhello everyone, im having trouble setting up the wireless device in ubuntu. im using an intel mac mini. the device doesnt seem to be recognised. i think it may be a hardware fault.04:59
cafuego_odat: Oh no, it works fine provided you use free software.04:59
xdragonx64bit only allows for accessing larger partitions and more memory, if you dont have that... dont bother (from what i hear)04:59
em1258julian- compiling the software is horrible04:59
em1258it takes so long to try anything04:59
julian__i have tried it a few times04:59
em1258i JUST got rid of it04:59
odatok then thanks guys04:59
Jimersoncafuego_: hello, is there a way to check exactly which airport extreme card I am using in my G5?04:59
xdragonxnow about my problem? anyone?04:59
julian__i have everything working on my lappy with dapper05:00
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cafuego_Jimerson: Ondountedly a Broadcom 431805:00
em1258whats dapper05:00
julian__but i want to learn another distro05:00
julian__ubuntu 6.06 dapper drake05:00
xdragonx<<<keeps getting Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".05:00
xdragonxdirect rendering: No05:00
xdragonx with glxinfo | grep rendering05:00
Jimersonok, thank you.05:00
Cmwebwhere is the iacd config file?05:00
em1258so Ubutnu from the CD doesnt install a desktop, right?05:00
tsukoharucafuego any ideas?05:00
cafuego_tsukoharu: not really, google perhaps.05:01
tsukoharucafuego tried...05:01
kitcheem1258: sure it does unless you use server install05:01
julian__does for me05:01
em1258it didnt for me!05:01
julian__which image did u use05:01
em1258i dunno ;) i got some CD05:01
tsukoharucan someone please help me install an ethernet card for my laptop... ubuntu doesnt recognize05:01
xdragonxwhat is the card tsuko?05:01
julian__do you know what version05:01
hope13is it broadcom? lol05:02
em1258julian - how do i tell05:02
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xdragonxouch broadcom... i had to use wrapper to get it working05:02
julian__well is it an official disk or did you burn it yourself05:02
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em1258i downloaded and burnt it some time ago05:02
hope13check your vendor website for your wireless card name? lol05:03
julian__hmm... so you installed, then when you booted you had no desktop?05:03
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tsukoharuxdragonx any ideas?05:03
em1258yeah correct05:03
hope13um when I type mount i get this : /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)05:03
julian__do you have an ati video card05:04
em1258me? no. savage05:04
hope13is this a bad thing? lol05:04
hope13i can't locate boot05:04
julian__what happened when you ran startx command05:04
omglolanyone have experience setting up acx100 based wireless card?05:04
xdragonxif its wireless and broadcom...gl05:04
thoreauputichope13: not in itself - but you should get a lot of other stuff as well05:04
tsukoharuxdragonx mines wired05:04
omglolanyone have experience setting up acx100 based wireless card? its a dlink dwl 520+05:04
em1258i dont have startx ;)05:05
hope13yeah i got lotsa other stuff just that i can't locate boot05:05
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thoreauputichope13: cd /boot05:05
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hope13oh thx05:05
pianoboy3333Can anyone here help me with something in inkscape?05:05
thoreauputichope13: it's probably on your / partition :)05:05
hope13henry thoreau?05:05
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thoreauputichope13: inspired by05:05
tsukoharuxdragonx i just dont know what to do to make ubuntu recognize it05:05
xdragonxhmm good question, i know i barely got mine working and i messed with it for a week first05:05
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hope13thx again05:06
thoreauputicnp :)05:06
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xdragonxi heard their wireless you have to run a program to pull code out of their windows drivers even so its not alot of support i think05:06
tsukoharuxdragonx ??05:06
julian__i dont know what the prob is05:06
em1258is it normal for ubuntu that i can't SU but I can sudo?05:06
thoreauputicem1258: yes05:06
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thoreauputic!root > em125805:07
em1258can that be changed?05:07
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xdragonxone thing to try is google the card ..i got most of my info from that05:07
tsukoharuxdragonx What about wired ethernet cards?? how do i make it work with ubuntu :(05:07
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thoreauputicem1258: check the pm ubotu sent you05:07
Acidictadpoledoes anyone know a good theme package from apt?05:07
em1258I will check it once I have a normal browser05:07
thoreauputicAcidictadpole: theme for what ?05:07
xdragonx<<<put in x1300 card no glitches..but cant get this 9550 to work for anything05:07
isaihmm, I can't seem to find out how to get rid of gnome minimize animation...05:07
khaije1i need a simple gui fw apps that will allow me to control incoming and outgoing connections on Edgy... any reccomendations?05:08
Acidictadpolethoreauputic: ubuntu. Just some additions for System -> Pref.. -> Theme05:08
khaije1I'm using firestarter now, but it doesn't manage outgoing :-(05:08
tsukoharuwhat do i do05:08
thoreauputic!gnome-art | Acidictadpole05:08
ubotugnome-art: install GNOME themes from art.gnome.org. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2-3 (edgy), package size 26 kB, installed size 200 kB05:08
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foglightem1258: you have to set a password for root to use `su`05:08
thoreauputicAcidictadpole: or just look on the URL in that factoid05:08
em1258fog- thanks05:08
tsukoharugahhh, can anyone tell me how to install my ethernet card, ive been trying for hours noone is talking to me :(05:08
thoreauputicfoglight: no, you can use su to switch users too05:09
Acidictadpolethoreauputic: so look at the link rather than apt-get install gnome-art05:09
em1258fog: NICE. works like a charm ;)05:09
foglightthoreauputic: ^^05:09
IndyGunFreaktsukoharu, wht type of card is a good start05:09
xdragonxtsuko...goto the private message i sent you05:09
thoreauputicfoglight: e,g.  su alterego or whatever05:09
neuratix(tsukoharu: most likely it just works)05:09
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em1258if I remove a package in apt, does it remove everything which depends on it?05:10
pianoboy3333Can anyone here help me with something in inkscape? I'm having a problem ungrouping and regrouping the group in http://piano.juicemedia.tv/junk/windowicontext.svg05:10
tsukoharuxdragon i never got a private message05:10
neuratixem1258: i don't think so05:10
tsukoharusays i need to be registered05:10
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thoreauputicfoglight: I didn't say you didn't need to set a password for root - I said su can be used for other purposes :)05:10
xdragonxhmm thats odd try sending one to me05:10
em1258neuratix: is there a way to achieve that?05:10
foglightthoreauputic: ya sudo can do the same thing05:10
pianoboy3333sorry, that's http://piano.juicemedia.tv/junk/windowbuttontext.svg05:10
tsukoharuxdragon get it?05:10
thoreauputicfoglight: sudo -u  yes05:10
neuratixyeah, but i cant remember it :) someone else here knows it i'm sure05:11
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tsukoharudid u get it dragon?05:11
xdragonxno i didnt  :/05:11
neuratixem1258: oh05:11
thoreauputicem1258: install stuff with aptitude - it removes deps on uninstall05:11
tsukoharusays i need 2 register05:11
neuratixem1258: sory, i misread05:11
em1258thorea: nice05:12
tsukoharuwhatg did u say in the private chat05:12
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thoreauputicem1258: edgy has the --autoremove switch to apt-get IIRC05:12
xdragonxmainly was just trying to explain to try to use a wrapper on it05:12
xdragonxthat is your best bet for unsupported hardware05:12
thoreauputicem1258: aptitude is a good habit though IMO05:12
tsukoharuhow do i do that?05:13
xdragonxnow if i can figure out why i can get my ati x1300 to work but not this 9550 ill be set..and windows will be complete history05:13
foglightwill synaptic remove deps too?05:13
pianoboy3333Can anyone here help me with something in inkscape? I'm having a problem ungrouping and regrouping the group in http://piano.juicemedia.tv/junk/windowbuttontext.svg05:13
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xdragonxthoreau??? are you good with vid cards?05:14
foglightaptitude is annoying05:14
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_fnordi know theres a better place but i just installed beryl,and its not working,could i show someones something in #flood?05:15
jkellycan anyone help me get wireless to work with an intel mac mini?05:15
kyncanifoglight: debfoster will work well with synaptic05:16
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_fnordjkelly: find out your wifi cards make/model05:16
_fnordi would ask in ubuntu-xgl but it dead05:16
tsukoharuxdragon what do u mean by using a wrapper??05:17
tsukoharusee im not that great with linux...05:17
Cmwebkitche, sorry about that i figured out what i did and i got it to restart right05:17
hope13a wrapper is something that wrap around something lol05:17
foglightkyncani: thanks05:17
_fnorda wrapper goes around a driver for another os then trys to make it work,if im corect05:17
hope13since the driver is not open source people reverse engineer it no05:17
jkelly_fnord: could this be it? 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device 001c05:18
foglighttsukoharu: i think they are referring to ndiswrapper05:18
tsukoharufnord, mind giving me a tutorial?05:18
_fnordyup know you should google that + linux05:18
hope13oh yeah google ndiswrapper05:18
tsukoharuor something05:18
hope13there are lotsa tutorial how to blacklist broadcom05:19
_fnordand try to find out if other people have had the smae problem and how they fixed it05:19
foglighttsukoharu: apt-get install ndisgtk05:19
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kyncanifoglight: np :)05:19
tsukoharui cant!05:19
_fnordwifi cards have been anoying me for a while05:19
tsukoharui dont have an ethernet card installed05:19
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tsukoharuthats what im trying to install05:19
hope13ok i'll google it05:19
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hope13how are you online?05:20
em1258I am not that excited about this ubuntu/ what else is a good distro? ;)05:20
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tsukoharuim using my other computer05:20
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foglightem1258: kubuntu?05:20
em1258fog: wats the difference?05:20
_fnordjkelly: type in iwconfig and post the results in #flood05:20
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NoPulpem1258 :  ubuntu grows on you   give it a chance ...05:21
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em1258NoPulp - i am dissapointed. something is f-ed up w. aptget05:21
NoPulpwhat is ?05:21
Ashton_KHonestly, what the heck is going on?!?05:21
ubuntuem1258: kubuntu is good05:21
Ashton_KThis wireless card, is driving me nuts.05:21
jkelly_fnord: its ok, i think it works now. ill be back in a while to tell you if its working or not.05:21
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_fnordin beryl what does this mean?: root@fluxbuntu:/home/fnord# iwXGL Absent, checking for NVIDIA05:21
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PORDOwhen I run Ekiga or Gizmo, the audio sputters..it sounds awful.  but if i run twinkle or linphone, it's fine.  anyone know what the problem could be?05:21
_fnordif you just typed in that comand it wouldent of changed anyhting05:22
Ashton_KFirst it didn't work in 6.10. Then after a fresh install it worked. My dad ran the updates, it quit working. He used the 6.06 live disc it worked, we installed and it doesn't.05:22
Ashton_KWhat the heck is going on here?!?05:22
apocryphalwhat chipset?05:22
hope13for broadcom wireless: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=462995&highlight=broadcom05:22
apocryphali had to fight to get my bcm4xx to work05:22
hope13it also show how to use ndiswrapper05:22
PORDOanyone know how to add dmix support to my /etc/asound.conf file?05:22
tsukoharuyou know i am so lost...people are talking about wrappers to help me get my ethernet card online, i cant get ndiswrapper cause i donjt have ndiswrapper to begin with; either way im messed05:22
Ashton_KWill I have to bite the bullet and ndiswrap it?05:23
Ashton_KI mean, it SHOULD be supported by default.05:23
joejaxx_fnord: i hope you are not running as root05:23
Ashton_KUbuntu claims it is.05:23
apocryphali dunno05:23
tsukoharui have a wired ethernet card...05:23
whyameyeAshton_K: this isn't a Mac, is it?05:23
_fnordyup ill try againe lol05:23
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kyncanitsukoharu: edgy would not detect my ethernet card here either, but feisty has05:24
kohr_how do i mount a usb device?05:24
joejaxxkohr_: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk05:24
kohr_cool t05:24
joejaxxkohr_: if /media/usbdisk does not exist then sudo mkdir -p /media/usbdisk then do the mount commandline05:24
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joejaxxkohr_: you are most welcome05:25
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tsukoharukynanci edgy?05:25
julian__any good games to dl05:25
hope13for linux?05:25
tsukoharukynan, whats edgy :P05:25
kyncani!tell tsukoharu about edgy05:25
etunbemerry christmas again05:25
hope13maybe if you have crossover05:25
tsukoharui cant update05:25
Ashton_K!tsukoharu edgy05:25
hope13you can play steam or wow05:25
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about tsukoharu edgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:25
tsukoharui dont have internet05:25
Ashton_K!tsukoharu | edgy05:25
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about tsukoharu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:25
kyncanitsukoharu: edgy is ubuntu 6.1005:26
tsukoharumy laptop isnt recognizing my cd player even05:26
Ashton_K!edgy | tsukoharu05:26
ubotutsukoharu: Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes05:26
Ashton_KThere we go.05:26
etunbetsukoharu: no internet at all?05:26
julian__whats the best game in the repos05:26
kohr_special device /dev/sd1 does not exist05:26
tsukoharuwhy do u think i need to install the ethernet card05:26
hope13how come you can talk on irc?05:26
tsukoharuits either thator i switch back to windows05:26
apocryphalbzflag is okay05:26
Ashton_Kkohr, check through your /dev folder and find it.05:26
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tsukoharuim on my friends pc05:26
apocryphali think that's in the stock repos05:26
NoPulpplug it in tsukoharu .. your laptop is really old   :(05:26
apocryphaltank game05:26
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joejaxxkohr_: /dev/sda105:26
ubotuThe next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+105:26
tsukoharunopulp i need that laptop;05:26
joejaxxkohr_: you forgot the "a"05:26
etunbeis there a flight simulator on linux?05:27
alsgreat nn is on :D05:27
julian__il check it out05:27
tsukoharuthere HAS to be  a way to install windows back then!05:27
kohr_joejaxx, no i didn't, there is no sda05:27
hope13get a window cd05:27
apocryphaltsuko, why don't you download ndiswrapper and the driver and port it over to your laptop with a usb drive or something?05:27
apocryphaland install it manually?05:27
joejaxxkohr_: 20:26 < kohr_> special device /dev/sd1 does not exist05:28
tsukoharui HAVE a windows cd!!  it wont boot05:28
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kohr_joejaxx there is snd, shm, ttyb, ptyqc05:28
kohr_yeah, i typed that, not copied that05:28
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tsukoharubecause ubuntu wont let it05:28
joejaxxkohr_: ah ok05:28
apocryphalwon't let it?05:28
joejaxxkohr_: there is not a sda?05:28
tsukoharuit just goes directly to the ubuntu load05:28
joejaxxkohr_: :\05:28
tsukoharuit skips over the cd05:28
ubotubreezy was the third release of Ubuntu. Version 5.10, codename "Breezy Badger"05:28
apocryphalthat's probably a bios issue05:28
apocryphalor your windows disk isn't bootable05:29
PORDOwhat is this all about? The following packages have unmet dependencies:05:29
PORDO  farsight0.1-plugins-rtp: Depends: gstreamer0.10-plugins-good (= 0.10.3-0ubuntu4) but 0.10.4-0ubuntu3 is to be installed05:29
kohr_i have multiple usb drives, 3 i think05:29
xlr8n4dhey apocryphal, I think I have the the ndiswrapper and the native driver for mine that us made for Windows XP, how do I make it work if you will tell me before I have to get a Ubuntu For Dummies book in my stalking?05:29
tsukoharubecause it boots on this pc05:29
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apocryphalwell, every driver is a little different; i would probably read the documentation with it rather than a general guide05:29
tsukoharugr, can someone do an apt-cache search on dynex05:30
apocryphaltsukoharu: you can switch the boot order in the bios pretty simply05:30
tsukoharusee if they come up with anything05:30
tsukoharuapo, with my laptop ohohoho no u cant05:30
tsukoharuthe bios is a piece of shit05:30
apocryphalno?  o_o05:30
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joejaxx!tell tsukoharu about language05:30
tsukoharutis called "easy boot"05:30
apocryphalwell, there might be a separate startup key you have to hit or something to bring up the boot menu05:30
xlr8n4dMust be an Averatec huh, I got one of those.05:30
apocryphalinstead of going into the bios05:30
_fnordjoejaxx: i exited root yet im still haveing probs05:31
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tsukoharuapo, thats where im stuck05:31
tsukoharui cant find out how05:31
joejaxx_fnord: well since you are on fluxbuntu you are on dapper right?05:31
apocryphalhmm, what kind of bios is it?05:31
_fnordjoejaxx:  XGL Absent, checking for NVIDIA05:31
_fnordits not really flux05:31
apocryphal(wine is taking about 30min to compile so far... sigh)05:31
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SenesenceAnyone know anything about 3COM hubs?05:31
tsukoharuu mean my laptop model? idk what kind of bios it is05:31
_fnordignore the flux lol05:31
apocryphalsure, how about the laptop model05:31
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tsukoharuthinkpad 77005:31
_fnordNvidia Absent, checking for texture_from_pixmap05:32
_fnordtexture_from_pixmap Present05:32
_fnordberyl: No composite extension05:32
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joejaxx_fnord: do you have Option "Composite" "Enable"05:32
joejaxx_fnord: under the extension section in your xorg.conf?05:32
_fnordbrb ill change it05:33
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foglighttsukoharu: ESC is often the boot menu key05:33
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kohr_so, how do i mount it then?05:34
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kohr_if there is no sda05:34
tsukoharufog no it isnt f1 is -.-05:35
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foglighttsukoharu: so you can boot the cd now?05:36
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pc22can anyone recommend a distance learning org?05:36
hope13if 6.10 mess up my internet how do i revert back to 5.10?05:36
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about WG311T - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:36
tsukoharufoglight no i cant05:36
tsukoharui cant boot the cd05:37
tsukoharuim trying to mess around in bios there is just no option for the cd rom drive05:37
tsukoharuits "easy" setup05:37
foglightyou can erase the partition if you want05:37
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kohr_so how do i mount the USB ?05:38
tsukoharuthats what im tryin to do05:38
foglighttype mount, get the name of the hard drive device05:38
foglightie. /dev/hda105:38
kohr_how do i know what the name s05:38
joejaxxkohr_: what other "something"da files are there in /dev?05:38
foglightthen type, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda105:38
foglightthat will erase the hard drive05:38
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joejaxxfoglight: stop05:38
joejaxxfoglight: that is not funny05:38
tsukoharuhow do i know the name?05:38
omglolhelp my wireless eth1 doesnt appear in the network properties icon in the icon tray05:39
omglolits not in the pulldown menu05:39
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tsukoharuo ok i got it05:39
omgloli only see eth105:39
omgloli only see eth005:39
kohr_joejaxx, hda 0-4, ptyda ttyda05:39
foglighttsukoharu: it only needs to run for a few econds05:39
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foglighttry rebooting now05:39
tsukoharujoe, what does that do05:40
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joejaxxtsukoharu: writes zeros to the drive05:40
pc22 can anyone recommend a distance learning org?05:40
hope13can i revert to an older ubuntu using the iso?05:40
tsukoharuis that bad05:40
joejaxxtsukoharu: that is something you do not tell new users to do05:40
tsukoharufog u ass -_-05:40
tsukoharusry for language05:40
joejaxxtsukoharu: it wipes the entire drive05:40
wweaselGuys, what the most widely used app for burning CDs and DVDs in Gnome (I know there's built in, I want more full featured) (I'm burning data discs in particular, but chances are it'll be multipurpose, no?)05:41
tsukoharujoe, is there any way to erase my partition completely05:41
ivannetoHow can I know a file's encoding? If tried 'file filename', but it only reported me 'awk script text'.05:41
tsukoharui need to totally get rid of ubuntu from my drive05:41
kyncanihope13: no, but you can install a separate edgy and see what happens05:41
omglolhelp my wireless eth1 doesnt appear in the network properties icon in the icon tray! its not in the pulldown menu! used to be in there05:41
foglighttsukoharu: you can run fdisk if you want and remove the partition05:41
joejaxxtsukoharu: you want to format it?05:41
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kohr_wweasel, i used graveman and it worked fine, great for iso's05:42
kohr_but i am not that qualified05:42
joejaxxkohr_: normally the usbdisks come up as a sda drive05:42
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tsukoharui can work with it better from there05:42
tsukoharui hate ubuntu05:42
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kohr_joejaxx, is that only when something is plugged in?05:42
joejaxxkohr_: yes05:42
bmk789tsukoharu: tux is your friend, have some patience as he doesnt copperate all teh time05:43
joejaxxkohr_: you have to have the drive plugged in05:43
omglolhelp my wireless eth1 doesnt appear in the network properties icon in the icon tray! its not in the pulldown menu! used to be in there05:43
foglighttsukoharu: did you try fdisk?05:43
joejaxxtsukoharu: what is not working on ubuntu?05:43
kohr_joejaxx, its not a storage device, its a cheap chinese digital camera05:43
joejaxxkohr_: oh05:43
ubuntuHi, i had Fedora installed on a partion, then i removed it, but when i boot up it says "loading grub2" then loads grub 0.97 and i dont know how to start, it jsut says press tab for a list of options but then none of them work05:43
bmk789omglol: does it show up in iwconfig?05:43
tsukoharumy freaking ethernet card05:43
leprasmurfdamn, this is killing me...ok, I've got a wireless nic, /proc/bus/usb/devices sees it and id's it correctly, but says it doesn't have a driver.  I've installed the driver module (rt2570) which is loaded....what am I missing?05:43
omglolbmk789: yes it does05:43
tsukoharuidk how to get it to work and its useless if i dont have internet05:43
bmk789omglol: what menu are you talking about?05:44
joejaxxkohr_: if it is usb when you plug ubuntu should recognize it and ask you if you want to import the pictures05:44
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joejaxxtsukoharu: what do you mean get it to work?05:44
foglightjoejaxx: whats wrong with dd if=/dev/zero exactly?05:44
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto05:44
joejaxxfoglight: it is not something to tell new users05:45
tsukoharujoe my ethernet card isnt recognized by ubuntu; i dont have internet therefor i cant get a module for it05:45
omglolbmk789: i tihnk its the network monitor. it has a icon in the taskbar. when i dblclick on the icon i get a window that shows me all my connections like lo and eth005:45
foglightjoejaxx: why?05:45
tsukoharui need to find a way to get it to work05:45
whyameyehow can I get a list of sound cards on my machine for a bash script? I tried asoundconf and the names aren't what qjackctl is showing...05:45
bmk789omglol: can you type in eth1 manually?05:45
hope13is the 6.10 LTS iso bootable? like a live disc?05:45
joejaxxfoglight: you should alright know05:45
omglolbmk789: yes i can05:45
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joejaxxfoglight: already*05:45
hope13i want to see if 6.10 is compatible with my ethernet card05:45
bmk789omglol: try it?05:45
kohr_joejaxx it is a really cheap that i got from an silent auction, it has window drivers and thats it, but they didn;t work with wine, so i was hopping i could access teh files directly05:45
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joejaxxkohr_: ubuntu does not recognize it?05:46
omglolbmk789: yes and i got to the page for wireless05:46
kohr_i guess not05:46
tsukoharuubuntu doesnt recognize my ethernet card05:46
omglolbmk789: but why did eth1 disappear from the pulldown menu suddenly05:46
tsukoharuso i dont know how to get it to work05:46
joejaxxkohr_: ie you do not get an import picture dialog?05:46
kohr_let me try another usb drive05:46
joejaxxkohr_: :\05:46
joejaxxkohr_: ok05:46
wweaselGuys, what the most widely used app for burning CDs and DVDs in Gnome? (I know there's built in, I want more full featured)05:46
tsukoharuany ideas joe?05:46
tsukoharuisnt there a generic module i can use to install my ethernet card05:47
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omglolbmk789: i installed network-manager and when i click on its icon, i only get the option to connect to wired network. it used to show wireless networks as well05:47
kohr_no dialog05:47
Siph0nhey :)05:47
kyncanihope13: 6.10 is a live and install disc05:47
joejaxxwweasel: k3b or gnomebaker05:47
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hope13yes! thx you05:47
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joejaxxtsukoharu: i am really surprised that it does not come up05:47
wweaseljoejaxx: gnomebaker! that's what i was trying to think of, but couldn't recall the name :) thanks a bunch05:47
levanderIs there a standard place to put wallpaper images I've downloaded?05:47
joejaxxtsukoharu: normally it is the wireless05:47
Siph0nlol omglol, i just came in the chatroom right now, but i have the same thing happen to me :)05:47
tsukoharujoe mine isnt wireles05:48
pc22 can anyone recommend a distance learning org?05:48
tsukoharuim on a wired network05:48
levanderpc22: lpi is a big one05:48
tsukoharui dont know how to install a wired card05:48
joejaxxtsukoharu: i know i was just saying it was weird that it did not pick up the ethernet05:48
levanderpc22: it's for linux training05:48
joejaxxwweasel: you are most welcome05:48
pc22lpi? is it legal and accredited?05:48
omglolSiph0n: damn that sucks05:48
omglolSiph0n: are u using it on a laptop05:49
kohr_joejaxx, it does not give me a dialog05:49
levanderpc22: what do you mean legal and accredited?  you want a college?05:49
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joejaxxtsukoharu: so eth0 does not come up when you type: ifconfig?05:49
Siph0nomglol: yea.... the wireless connection works too05:49
foglighttsukoharu: what does it say your ethernet card is? type `lspci` and look for an Ethernet Controller05:49
leprasmurfI've got a wireless nic, /proc/bus/usb/devices sees it and id's it correctly, but says it doesn't have a driver.  I've installed the driver module (rt2570) which is loaded....what am I missing?05:49
variantgiven 11,375 euros what laptop would you buy ?05:49
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levanderpc22: lpi is just for linux certifications and the like05:49
omglolSiph0n: ipw3975?05:49
tsukoharujoe 1 sec05:49
Siph0nbut the icon doesn show any wireless wetworks05:49
pc22yeah more of a college05:49
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omglolSiph0n: did u instal network-manager and wifi-radar?05:49
Siph0nomglol: whats ipw3975? one sec, ill get my laptop from downstairs05:49
joejaxxkohr_: :(05:49
pc22but i will try lpi too05:49
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Siph0nno wifi radar05:49
levanderpc22: well, there's phoenix, but you may want to look locally for a college that offers online classes05:49
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omglolSiph0n: intel wireless 3975abg i tihnk thats the number05:50
pc22phoenix is expensive and they say its a bogus05:50
omglolSiph0n: came with my core205:50
_fnordim trying to install compiz and i get this from synaptic:libgnome-compiz-manager-dev:05:50
_fnord Depends: compiz-freedesktop but it is not going05:50
_fnordto be installed05:50
_fnord Depends: compiz-freedesktop-gnome but it is not going to be installed05:50
omglolSiph0n: i dun wanna reinstall :( took a long time to setup beryl and stuff05:50
CheyenneDWhat do you people recamend for a vnc server?05:51
omglolanyone have successfully installed a acx100 based wireless card???? i cant get it to work!!! its a dlink dwl 520+05:51
omglollinux sucks lol05:51
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thoreauputicheresy!!! Burn him!!05:52
CheyenneDI forgot marshmellows.05:52
hope13i guess it suck for people that aren't technical on computer05:52
Siph0nlol i dont wanna reinstall either lol05:52
CheyenneDWhat do you people recamend for a vnc server?05:53
_fnordto the city gates!!!citizens of linus torvaldopia,theres going to be a stoneing!!!05:53
levanderWhere is the my GNOME Trash directory on the filesystem?05:53
tsukoharueth0 comes up05:53
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joejaxxCheyenneD: there is already one called vino installed05:53
thoreauputicCheyenneD: it's built in - vino05:53
leprasmurfno, linux sux for wireless and usb:-P05:53
joejaxxCheyenneD: you can also use tightvnc05:53
foglighttsukoharu: then it is working05:53
_fnordwhere do i go for compiz suport?05:53
joejaxxtsukoharu: then your ethernet is recognized :)05:53
tsukoharubut it isnt05:53
levandernm, it's in ~/.trash05:53
thoreauputicCheyenneD: but freenx is way better for remote stuff05:53
tsukoharubut it wont work05:53
raxiptell me05:53
bizinichi`I'll think about it05:53
omgloli cant seem to get anything related to wireless right on linux05:53
foglighttsukoharu: but it will05:53
tsukoharuthe lights on my card wont show up05:53
leprasmurfomglol: you and me both05:53
kohr_me neither05:53
wweaselomglol: wireless can be a pain, but don't give up!05:53
kohr_the lights are broken too05:54
foglighttsukoharu: is the cable good?05:54
joejaxxtsukoharu: if your network supports dhcp05:54
tsukoharuyes it does05:54
joejaxxtsukoharu: do : sudo dhclient eth005:54
tsukoharui got 3 computers wired through out the house05:54
Siph0nok, im using Network Manager Applet 0.6.205:54
_fnordmy neihbors suports dhcp05:54
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joejaxx_fnord: lol05:54
wweaselomglol: Setting up your wireless is probably the single hardest thing you'll have to do in getting your new ubuntu install up and running.05:54
tsukoharuunknown hardware address type 77605:55
Siph0nand when i click it i only see "Enable Networking", but no "Enable Wireless".... and it use to be there :)05:55
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omgloldoes anyone know why network-manager allows me to connect to wireless network yesterday but not todayu?05:55
omglolyea same as me05:55
omgloli dun wanna reinstall lopl05:55
Siph0nlol, omglol: u are online with it tho, right?05:55
_fnordjoejaxx: i couldent find that thing in the extensions of xorg.conf05:55
omglolim using wired05:55
foglighttsukoharu: lovely, nevermind its broken :)05:55
wweaselomglol: what are you using for drivers? ndis?05:55
thoreauputicomglol: network manager takes a holiday this time of year ;p05:55
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omglolit worked striaght out of the box05:55
Siph0nthats whats funny with mine, im online wirelessly with it, but it still says No Network Connections05:56
omgloli installed edgy and it works05:56
xdragonxanyone tell me how to make it stop using mesa for opengl rendering?05:56
tsukoharuunknown hardware address type 776 joe -_-05:56
omglolipw3945 from centrino core205:56
wweaselomglol: lol, you're a lucky one :P05:56
xdragonx(using ati 9550 drivers)05:56
joejaxx_fnord: there is not a section called extensions?05:56
_fnordill look again05:56
omglolnot so luicky now (05:56
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omglolwill reinstall work?05:56
Siph0nim using dapper :)05:56
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kyncanixdragonx: i think there's a wki for that05:57
wweaselomglol: yeah, but that would be extreme. i'm sure we can fix it some other way05:57
tsukoharuit recognizes the card but it doesnt05:57
xdragonxi followed it to a T05:57
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xdragonxi got my x1300 working but not it05:57
tsukoharubecause i do sudo command on it and it says unkown hardware adress05:57
joejaxx_fnord: if not you want to add this at the bottom http://fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=36505:57
wweaselomglol: try opening a terminal and typing in 'iwconfig'05:57
_fnordthere wasent05:57
foglighttsukoharu: try sudo ifconfig eth0 up05:57
hope13is AIGLX better than XGL for... intel integrate graphic card?05:57
xdragonxhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI is what i used05:57
omglolwweasel: eth1 has some stuff that probably says its working05:57
joejaxx_fnord: add this to the bottom05:57
juanchito2006Merry Christmas from GMT -5 Zone in Colombia!05:57
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joejaxx_fnord: http://fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=36505:58
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foglighttsukoharu: then run the dhclient command05:58
omglolwweasel: i think its working.. i use kismet and i can see several ap05:58
wweaselomglol: so it's just network-manager not detecting it?05:58
omglolits just network manager and network monitor not showing my eth105:58
kyncanixdragonx: well, i'm sorry then (nvidia here)05:58
spasticteapotHello, everyone!05:58
_fnordjoejaxx: im not running flux05:58
wweaselomglol: ok, i think i know why.05:58
tsukoharufog that is the command i entered05:58
AcidictadpoleMerry Xmas EST05:58
tsukoharusays a whole bunck of unknowns05:58
foglight`sudo ifconfig eth0 up` ?05:58
_fnordjoejaxx: nm05:58
wweaselomglol: sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces05:58
tsukoharuunknown hardware address -_-05:58
spasticteapotAs long as we're discussing GUIs, anyone mind helping me with XFCE?05:58
joejaxx_fnord: that is a pastebin lol05:58
joejaxx_fnord: :)05:58
spasticteapotI just installed it, and...WOOT! T3h AW3som3!05:59
CheyenneDI'm new to the command line, How do i edit a like using sudo05:59
omglolwweasel: ok im in.. i dun see my eth105:59
tsukoharuError while getting flags: unkown device05:59
kohr_christmas in 1 minute!05:59
wweaselCheyenneD: probably easiest using nano as a command line editor. Or using gedit to launch a gui05:59
omgloloo i see it05:59
omgloliface eth1 inet dhcp05:59
joejaxxkohr_: yeap :)05:59
omglolwireless-essid test05:59
omglolwireless-key asd05:59
omglolauto eth105:59
tsukoharuError while getting flags: unkown device05:59
juanchito2006I'm having trouble with my ATi Radeon Xpress 200 Graphics, can't accelerate it...05:59
wweaselspasticteapot: probably better to go to #xubuntu05:59
joejaxx_fnord: also are you using xgl or aiglx?05:59
spasticteapotHowever, I'm missing my taskbar - anyone know how to get the taskbar in XFCE?05:59
spasticteapotjoin #xubuntu05:59
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omglolhmm in it wat shd i do05:59
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_fnordaiglx i think,im new06:00
unix_infidelanyone here have a Dell Latitude D420 working in linux?06:00
Ashton_KMerry Christmas!06:00
wweaselomglol: Don't paste in here, it bothers some people.06:00
spasticteapotBah...no work.06:00
xdragonxi havea  dell 1505 working on ubuntu06:00
joejaxx_fnord: you want to look at this http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Ubuntu/Dapper/AiGLX06:00
xdragonxnow my desktops giving issues06:00
spasticteapotIs the command /join #xubuntu to join "xubuntu"?06:00
joejaxxspasticteapot: yes there is06:00
foglighttsukoharu: when you type ifconfig -a what are the devices listed on the left column06:01
tsukoharuso fog any ideas?06:01
omglolwweasel: im in it.. wat shd i do next?06:01
juanchito2006Jingle Bells, Jinglle Bells06:01
joejaxx_fnord: that link gives you the steps to enable aiglx on dapper06:01
wweaselomglol: Ok, so what we're going to do is comment out hte lines that relate to eth106:01
joejaxxjuanchito2006: LOL06:01
omglolwweasel: # or ;06:01
tsukoharulo and sit006:01
wweaselomglol: # and actually, you can comment out everything but the "lo" section06:01
foglighti thought you saw an eth006:01
xdragonxis it seeing your hardware now tsuko?06:01
xdragonx(sorry was gone working on video)06:02
foglighttsukoharu: type lspci and look for ethernet controller06:02
tsukoharuand etho06:02
omglolwweasel: im using my wired eth0.. will i get disconnected if  comment out eth006:02
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foglighttsukoharu: is there an eth0 or not?06:02
_fnordjoejaxx: now what?06:02
tsukoharui see it06:02
tsukoharubut thats not the model of my ethernet card06:02
tsukoharuthats my old one that worked06:02
wweaselomglol, perhaps. See, network-manager needs these thigns commented out in order to manage them.06:02
spasticteapotxubuntu is annoyingly empty, so I'll have to annoy you instead.06:02
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spasticteapotI just installed XFCE, and have no taskbar.06:03
joejaxx_fnord: did you follow the steps on that link?06:03
tsukoharusays ethernet controller: d-link system06:03
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omglolwweasel: ok commented out06:03
foglighttsukoharu: you replaced the ethernet card?06:03
tsukoharuthen the model type of my old ethernet card06:03
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spasticteapotNote the taskbar/wharf bar/whatever.06:03
tsukoharufog yes i did06:03
tsukoharuother one was held with ducktape06:03
juanchito2006Radeon Xpress 200 driver installin problem...06:03
spasticteapotHot glue > Duct Tape.06:03
tsukoharufinally snapped in two06:03
wweaselomglol: save that file, and you might need to close and reopen network-manager in order to get it to recognize the hardware...i'm not sure06:03
_fnordnope didint see it thanks off to read06:03
joejaxx_fnord: you are most welcome06:03
foglighti see, and you cant reinstall ubuntu because you cant boot from cd?06:03
spasticteapotTrust me on this one - a fillet around the connector will hold it in very securely, and function as shock-mounting.06:04
joejaxx_fnord: that guide should definitely get it up and running06:04
tsukoharuwell i can access a cd from ubuntu06:04
tsukoharui just cant06:04
tsukoharuget it to boot06:04
omglolwweasel: how to i close network-manager06:04
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spasticteapotIf anyone here knows XFCE even a little, please join #xubuntu and help me. out.06:04
wweaselomglol: before you do that...is it working right now?06:04
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omglolwweasel: its currently running.. i see the icon06:04
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto06:04
wweaselomglol: does it detect your wireless hardware?06:05
omglolwweasel: when i rightclick i only see wired.. i dun see wireless networks.. i used to see wireless networks yesterday06:05
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omgloli meant left click06:05
xdragonxanyone care to help advance troubleshoot an ati card?06:06
wweaselomglol: alright, try going to System > Administration > System Monitor06:06
tsukoharuu know what my sollution is06:06
tsukoharuerase everything06:06
wweaselomglol: yep06:06
tsukoharuand install windows06:06
tsukoharuso how do i erase everything06:06
tsukoharudo a complete format of my whole laptop06:06
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tsukoharulinux is only on one hard drive; the same one my windows partition would be on06:07
omglolwweasel: i restarted it.. still doesnt show wireless06:07
foglighttsukoharu: you can try to install ubuntu once more instead to give it another shot06:07
tsukoharui lost the cd ^^;06:07
foglightyou are in a world of hurt06:07
wweaselomglol: everything but lo is commented out in /etc/network/interfaces ?06:07
tsukoharuso yea windows is my last hope06:07
tsukoharuso how do i format06:07
foglighttsukoharu: read more about your bios and how to get into the "advanced" menu06:07
tsukoharufog where?06:07
omglolwweasel: yup06:07
xdragonxtsuko??? did you try finding an RPM for the drivers for your netcard?06:07
tsukoharui cant find ANYTHING06:07
foglighton google06:08
omglolwweasel: only 2 lines comtaining lo uncommented06:08
xdragonxyou can convert those to .deb06:08
jakalhow do i find out which version of dapper i have?06:08
tsukoharuxdragon no use06:08
tsukoharui cant download the program for it06:08
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tsukoharui have no internet for my laptop06:08
xdragonxthrow it on a cd06:08
foglighttsukoharu: the 'cfdisk` command can erase it06:08
wweaselomglol: I really don't know why it wouldn't be working then. You can try restarting your computer06:08
omglolok brb06:08
tsukoharufog ill keep that in mind06:09
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tsukoharuxdragon ndiswrapper right?06:09
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xdragonxthats what i would try06:09
xdragonxif you cant get the others06:09
foglighttsukoharu: can you just download and burn ubuntu then fi you are making a cd?06:09
spasticteapotAnyone here do any video editing in Linux?06:09
spasticteapotI need to do video editing with a minimal amount of hardware (miniscule educational budget), and Cinlerra looks nice.06:10
tsukoharui dont wanna go through reinstalling ubuntu for a card06:10
spasticteapotWhat kind of CPU would I need?06:10
tsukoharuwont do crap06:10
tsukoharubecause the module for my card isnt on ubuntu anyways06:10
xdragonxtsuko?  try suse just to see06:10
tsukoharususe O.o06:10
spasticteapotTsukoharu - what card are you trying to use?06:10
foglightah i see, well you could just buy a cheap nic for $1006:10
tsukoharua wired ethernet card from dynex spastic06:10
wweaselspasticteapot: I don't do video editing, but in case you haven't tried it, check out Kino06:11
xdragonxor wireless setup06:11
ubotuOther !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)06:11
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tsukoharuwhat is suse06:11
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xdragonxsuse is an oldtime linux distro06:11
hope13it's not that old06:11
xdragonxits a big download tho06:11
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hope13slack is older06:11
spasticteapotMy ex-girlfriend swore by it.06:11
omglolcool i see wireless in network-manager. do i have to uncomment those lines?06:11
xdragonxits a build off redhat06:11
xdragonxyeah not that old but older than alot06:12
tsukoharuid want to install that -_-06:12
foglighti doubt suse will have a driver if ubuntu doesnt06:12
xdragonxubuntu is better by far (in my oppinion)06:12
tsukoharuxdragon, u said a program can convert to .deb right06:12
omglolwweasel: i see wireless network in network manager!however network monitor doesnt show eth106:12
hope13it's a bias opinion lol06:12
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spasticteapotHmm....try installing wifi-radar.06:12
xdragonxthats the name of the program to convert06:13
hope13red hat will work on your laptop06:13
hope13i google it06:13
hope13apparently someone got it to work06:13
spasticteapotI don't think Ubuntu has Wifi-radar or a similar wifi-management software.06:13
wweaselomglol: Nope, leave them commented. Now network-manager can manage them, but the standard tools cannot. It's really one or ther other.06:13
tsukoharuxdragon throw me a link06:13
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hope13google red hat06:13
xdragonxit does have wifi-radar06:13
xdragonxi have it installed06:13
leprasmurfwhat kind of device is sit0?06:13
metromanMerry Christmas! Happy Holidays!06:13
omglolwweasel: oo ok nice.. will wifi-radar conflict with networkmanager?06:13
_fnordjoejaxx: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38738/06:13
bulmersit0 is ipv606:13
joejaxxipv6 ftw06:13
wweaselomglol: Can't say, I've never used wifi-radar.06:13
tsukoharuoh i got alien :o06:13
tsukoharui just dont know what 2 convert :P06:14
omglolwweasel: oo thnx! now i dun have to reinstall :D06:14
thoreauputicomglol: yes, I think it uses the standard config - I couldn't get it to play nice with n-m06:14
xdragonxits just  sudo alien (name).rpm06:14
wweaselomglol: it might not be able to recognize the network devices with them commented out. I don't know how it works06:14
xdragonxin terminal06:14
tsukoharuwhat is the rpm06:14
omglolhmm ok06:14
tsukoharuthe only drivers i got06:14
tsukoharuare on a cd06:14
leprasmurfipv6?  it's a seperate device?  or do you mean a device that uses ipv6?06:14
tsukoharufor a "windows' install06:14
wweaselomglol: Yeah, it's a trade-off, one or the other. If you decide to switch back, you uncomment all the lines.06:14
xdragonxthats if you find the rpm file for your card06:15
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xdragonxwhat is the card again?06:15
foglighttsukoharu: they have linux drivers06:15
jimmygoonewww dynex >_<06:15
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joejaxx_fnord: did you add the beryl repository?06:15
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_fnordi belive so brb06:15
xdragonxthat link has a wrapper file06:16
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omglolanyone managed to install a acx10 based wireless card? Im using dlink dwl 520+06:16
tsukoharufog but are those for my card06:16
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foglighttsukoharu: i think so but who knows06:17
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tsukoharuminesa pcmcia card for a laptop06:17
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tsukoharunot an ethernet card for a pci slot06:17
foglightthen no06:17
foglightthere is another zip file on that sire06:17
tsukoharuthere is none for the pcmcia card06:17
nix_ferretI'm trying to stream media from an XP box (ntfs) is there some library I can install that will allow ubuntu to read (stream) the files?06:18
foglight"Drivers for the DX-E201 Dynex Notebook 10/100 32-Bit PCMCIA Network Card"06:18
_fnordjoejaxx: i just checked and ya i did but i also got this error:06:18
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_fnordroot@fluxbuntu:/home/fnord# sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-air-core linux-dri-modules-common linux-dri-modules-`uname -r`06:18
foglightnix_ferret: you can smbmount the windows drive06:18
_fnordE: Couldn't find package linux-dri-modules-2.6.15-27-38606:18
tsukoharuthats only for windows fog -_-06:18
omglolanyone managed to install a acx100 based wireless card? Im using dlink dwl 520+06:18
_fnordjoejaxx: whats that mean?06:18
foglighttsukoharu: ya then you need this http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/06:18
joejaxx_fnord: that the package is not available06:19
_fnordso im poop out of luck?06:19
joejaxx_fnord: you could skip it but when you play movies you will not be able to see them with aoglx enabled06:19
foglighttsukoharu: get ndiswrapper-common and -utils from Dec2006:19
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tsukoharuoh i see a linux install06:20
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tsukoharuits just i only see 2 txts in there :/06:20
_fnordjoejaxx: is that what afecting the next step?06:20
_fnordthe no such file or directory?06:21
foglighttsukoharu: extract the driver .exe to somewhere and burn the contents plus the ndiswrapper .deb's to a cd06:21
joejaxx_fnord: that package does not exist06:21
joejaxx_fnord: the dri modules06:21
foglighttsukoharu: install the .deb's using dpkg -i <.deb> and then run ndisgtk to select the windows drivers06:21
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icmp-Does anyone know how to make grub boot edgy from ~50gb of an 80gb drive off /dev/hdb ? I keep getting the error 18 complaining about the cylinder being > what the bios supports but #1 my bios isnt old and #2 other distros w/ grub have handled it fine. I've tried manually setting the geometry in the bios and toggling LBA & re-installing grub but it refuses to work06:23
omglolanyone managed to install a acx100 based wireless card?06:24
foglightomglol: http://acx100.sourceforge.net/06:24
CheyenneDHow do install Xine06:25
foglightCheyenneD: sudo apt-get install xine06:25
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omglolfoglight: thnx. i followed the instructions there but it cant work. dmesg says a file in acx/default can be found and that guide never said anything about that file06:26
nix_ferretMaybe I'm missing something. When I navigate to the shared windows drive and try to open a file (i.e. mp3) the app says that it can not read from source.06:26
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CheyenneDforlight: That does not work06:26
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SilentDishappy Chrismahanukwanzakah everyone!06:26
foglightnix_ferret: there is no mp3 support out of box06:26
nix_ferretyes I know, I installed it06:26
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nix_ferretIf I copy the file it works fine06:27
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nix_ferretIt can't stream it b/c it's ntfs?06:27
foglightnix_ferret: never had a problem myself06:27
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ubotuKDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE06:28
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foglightare you trying to drag a graphical file object into the media player or something?06:28
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nix_ferretDo you have some sort of sharing app on your XP box?06:28
foglightis the ntfs share mounted or you are using a samba client?06:28
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foglighti use smbmount to mount the share and then it looks normal to local applications06:29
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foglightCheyenneD: try installing it from System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager06:29
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nix_ferretI mounted it06:30
nix_ferretIt's on the desktop06:30
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cmwebWhats the difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu?06:30
foglightomglol: what does dmesg say exactly?06:30
foglightcmweb: Kubuntu uses KDE06:30
cmwebKDE, is it like gnome?06:31
Ashton_KAnyone recognize this? "Wlanconfig: ioctl: No such device"?06:31
foglightyea it is a graphical user interface06:31
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nix_ferretI didn't care for KDE YMMV06:31
foglightAshton_K: ya it doesnt see your network device06:31
SilentDisquestion:  just quickly here... where can I go to find different usplash screens (tried making my own with the tutorial, and I just get lost) :P06:31
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cmwebcan i go to kubuntu by getting kubuntu-desktop?06:31
foglightcmweb: probably06:31
kyncanicmeme: yeah06:32
Ashton_KThat's annoying, since I just built a driver for it.06:32
Ashton_KAny ideas?06:32
Siph01what repository is libdvdcss in? i thought multiverse but i have that added already06:32
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nix_ferretyou can choose at login gui which 1 u want06:32
foglightAshton_K: what does iwconfig say?06:32
cmwebHow different is KDE from Gnome? is it any better?06:32
SilentDisSiph01:  I pulled it from the debian archives and used dpkg to install it, personally.  newer version, as well :)06:32
nix_ferretthat's like coke vs. pepsi06:33
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Ashton_Klo, eth0, eth1, and sit0 all report "No wireless extensions"06:33
ken Any one using the driver from 'fs-driver.org' over here?06:33
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Ashton_KAn attempt to restart /etc/init.d/networking results in errors on both ath0 and wlan0 saying "No such device"06:33
kyncanicmweb: different06:33
nix_ferretI think KDE is good for work stuff but Gnome is good all around and good for n00bs like me06:33
cmwebwhats different about it06:33
foglightAshton_K: the driver isn't loading or it isn't recognizing the card06:33
Ashton_KIt's an Atheros chipset wifi card. The restricted modules one didn't work. So I compiled a driver for it using madwifi-ng06:34
cmwebwork stuff? as in scriptsing06:34
nix_ferretyou should just try it out, it's kind of a personal choice thing06:34
kyncanicmweb: like coke vs pepsi, as said above. Try and make your own opinion06:34
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Ashton_KAnd the driver is loaded (lsmod | grep ath_pci shows it)06:34
hope13um i burn the iso on a cd06:34
hope13but i don't know how to install it06:34
cmwebok il try it am i going to have to restart?06:34
SilentDiscmweb:  the KDE environment is more centered on availability of features.  Gnome is centered on simplicity.  at least, that's what I take from the 2 (I have both, and prefer Gnome)06:34
hope13i put the 6.10 cd into my drive and boot it up no?06:34
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foglightAshton_K: what does it say in dmesg about the card?06:35
kyncanicmweb: nope, just logout and choose a kde session at the login screen06:35
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nix_ferretThere is a reason that the ubuntu main package uses gnome06:35
SilentDishope13:  after you burn the CD, just put it into your CD drive, and reboot your machine.  it'll boot from the CD, and you'll be in the LiveCD Ubuntu.  There's an install button there :)06:35
adrifthello folks06:35
hope13i chose boot or install option (first option) of the iso and it only let me boot06:35
cmweb168MB I DONT think so06:35
SilentDisAdrift:  welcome and happy Chrismahanukwanzakah!06:35
hope13is the install button the first option?06:35
foglighthope13: there is a desktop icon to install06:35
hope13on the live?06:36
hope13oh ok06:36
hope13thx you06:36
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hope13brb lol06:36
Ashton_KI think this is the line: "ACPI : PCI interrupt 0000:02:07.0 disabled"06:36
foglightAshton_K: so it doesnt show in lspci either?06:36
adriftlol thanks SilentDis.06:36
Ashton_KIt does, actually.06:37
SilentDisadrift:  it's my new favorite word :)06:37
adriftwhen replying to a specific individual here, how do i hightlight their name in red06:37
foglightAshton_K: and you have 2 more net cards in there as well?06:37
Ashton_KOne built in, and one PCI.06:37
PhibreOptixadrift: Put there name infront of your message, like PhibreOptix:06:37
Ashton_KIs that a glitch in Edgy?06:38
SilentDisadrift:  type their name first.  most clients will take care of that for them.06:38
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adriftok thank you06:38
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Ashton_K(The built in one is covered, stupid Motherboard came with the wrong backplate)06:38
PhibreOptixadrift: And you can use the tab button for auto-completion06:38
timfrostSiph01: I have libdvdcss2  1.2.9-0.0ubuntu4  for edgy from seveas repository in section extras.  See !seveas for the URL06:38
jpsMerry Christmas06:38
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kenHELP: on starting ubuntu i get: /dev/hda1 has been mount 30 times, without being checked, and then it is checked (slowly), similarly a message comes for /dev/hdb1. And i have to wait. Can someone tell me why this error comes? I tried writing to a EXT3 /home with the driver from fs-driver.org, from windows and after that this happens,06:38
PhibreOptixYea merry christmas all06:38
SilentDisjps:  happy Chrismahanukwanzakah!06:38
PhibreOptixI got a new video card06:38
foglightAshton_K: well you mentioned an eth0 and eth1 i wonder if one of those is the atheros card06:38
Ashton_KNo, they're wired.06:38
thoreauputicken: that's just a normal fsck message06:39
Ashton_KAth0 is the wireless.06:39
adriftPhibreOptix what do you mean by auto-completion?06:39
SilentDisadrift, type the first 3 letters of my name, then hit tab06:39
PhibreOptixadrift: Ok, type in Phi then press tab, it'll goto the closet match06:39
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adriftSilentDis, ah. thanks06:39
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kenthoreauputic: Does that occur at regular intervals? or was it triggered by my writing on the partition with that driver from windows? And i haven't got time to wait and see my drives being slowly checked all day? What is the frequency of this check and what triggered it?06:40
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cmwebIn 15 minutes it wil be christmass morning06:40
SilentDiscmweb:  happy Chrismahanukwanzakah!06:40
Ashton_KIn 15 minutes it'll be 1 AM.06:40
PhibreOptixIt's already christmas here in Aussie =D06:40
thoreauputicken: as it says, about every 30 boots/mounts06:40
Spistersit is 40 minutes into Christmas morning here06:40
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cmwebsilentDis, how did you learn to spell that06:41
thoreauputicken: you can change the frequency with tune2fs IIRC06:41
SilentDiscmweb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrismahanukwanzakah06:41
SilentDiscmweb:  *giggle*06:41
jpsI have a strange problem with network-manager.... the default instal was fine, but i just changed the ubuntu network preferences tool (System->Administration->Networking) to use a static ip(no dhcp anymore)... everything works fine but network manager does not recognize my wired interface anymore... it complains its not connected06:41
kenthoreauputic: So it WAS NOT triggered by me writing through the EXT3 driver from Windows? And it is supposed to occur on every machine after 30 reboots? Am i getting this right?06:41
kenSilentDis: cmweb: forming a cult?06:41
jpsanyone has seen this bug before?06:42
SilentDisken:  yes, fsck runs through your drive every 30 boots.06:42
nix_ferretJust fyi, streaming over samba is broke in edgy : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35132206:42
cmwebKen, why what makes you think that06:42
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thoreauputicken: 1) I don't know as I've never used the driver 2) I see that happen at regular intervals 3) see my other answer re: frequency06:42
SpistersOk I don't get it, I kept getting this error "hda: ide_intr: huh? expected NULL handler on exit06:42
SpistersBuffer I/O error on device hda, logical block" when I tried to boot from the cd, I was still getting it, and finally I just said be that way and let it run, and now I just checked on it and it is loaded, what gives?06:42
kencmweb: That strange greeting06:42
foglightAshton_K: did you try the footnote in the instructions about fedora?06:42
adriftIs anyone here running World of Warcraft in Wine? I have a couple questions, specifically: In Windows you can hit the windows key to bring up you're desktop and then tab back onto WoW in the taskbar. Is there a way to do this in Ubuntu?06:42
foglightputting alias wlan0 acx in /etc/modprobe.conf06:42
cmwebken, i dont know about silentdis, but im not i perfectly happy06:43
SilentDisken:  I find that line rather funny is all :)06:43
thoreauputicken: see the -c option in  man tune2fs06:43
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kenthoreauputic: SilentDis: So in NO WAY is the Windows ext3 driver responsible for this check? right? And it is supposed to occur regularly ALSO ON only ubuntu systems? Moreover after it checked my drive it told me that '0.6% was not journalled', is that normmal too?06:44
jpsYou folks have ever used a static ip in ubuntu with network-manager applet?06:44
Ashton_KI don't see a footnote that would apply in the Fedora section.06:44
Ashton_KAll the way at the bottom?06:44
Spistersok, now I get it, it just didn't load my hard drives, so I guess I am having a hard drive issue then?06:44
thoreauputicken: it happens regularly, you can adjust the frequency as I said, and the last question I don't know06:44
kenthoreauputic: OK, thank you06:45
SilentDisken:  most linux distros set a default of around 30 for the boot check, yes.  (i've seen 37, 29, other strange numbers).  the idea is to just check the disk from time to time, to make sure nothing is wrong.  if there's errors, it'll prompt you through fixing them, as well.  otherwise, they're just 'notices'06:45
Ashton_Kfoglight: You mean that init script someone wrote?06:45
thoreauputicken: if everything works, i wouldn't worry unduly aboutthe journal :)06:45
Ashton_KWill that even run in Ubuntu?06:45
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leprasmurfhow do you install hotplug in ubuntu?06:45
foglightAshton_K: no you on the page i sent?06:45
kenSilentDis: Moreover after it checked my drive it told me that '0.6% was not journalled', is that normmal too?06:45
cmwebhey how do i get my channels topic to do right i set it then log back in and its gone06:45
Ashton_KWell, it's not an ACX chipset....06:46
foglightits not?06:46
jpsif something is not written to the journal... due to a crash perhaps... the journal is fsckd kinda and its updated06:46
SilentDisken:  if it didn't pause and drop you to a console during the boot, it's simply a notice.  nothing to worry over.  :)06:46
foglighti thought the module was acx_pci06:46
kenSilentDis: OK :)06:46
jpsso next boot you end up with a consistent journal... don't worry06:46
Ashton_KNo, Atheros.06:46
Ashton_KIt uses Madwifi.06:46
kenjps: OK06:46
thoreauputicken: ).6% of your journal is not a large number :)06:46
Ashton_KACX is made by TI I believe.06:47
kenGood bye, and have a Good Day!06:47
SilentDisken:  if you INSIST on running fsck yourself to double check the disk, you can... but it's a hastle, and not really necessary.  that's why that check is in there, to allevate that from you having to do yourself :)06:47
thoreauputicken: bye06:47
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foglightAshton_K: oops i got you confused with omglol06:47
Ashton_KNo prob.06:47
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jpsNow anyone who uses networkmanger applet has set his eth0 ip to a static instead of a dhcp one?06:48
kenSilentDis: thoreauputic: jps: And do you know for SURE, that writing to my /home from Windows thorugh that fs-driver.org's EXT3 driver was not the culprit for 0.6% of my drive not being journalled?06:48
Ashton_KThe card is in lspci, it has worked before (it isn't DOA), the driver compiled and installed without complaint (modprobe ath_pci). But it won't load ath0 or wlan0 when i restart networking. Can't find it.06:48
kenAshton_K: Do you know about the Aston shell?06:48
Ashton_KIronically, yes.06:48
Ashton_KBut that's not where the name comes from.06:48
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thoreauputicken: I already told you I have no experience with this driver. And i think you are worrying too much :)06:49
kenAshton_K: just wanted to enquite :)06:49
jpsi changed my ip to a static one in ubuntu system menu... now network manager complains im not connectec... which I am of coure...06:49
kenthoreauputic: ok :006:49
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Ashton_KI actually used to use Aston, but my firewall hatedit.06:49
john_can i get some help?06:49
Ashton_KBut Ashton is actually my name (Note the extra h)06:49
kenjps: Does your ISP provide the facility of giving you a static IP?06:49
Ashton_KSure, john.06:49
SilentDisken:  it doesn't matter.  the EXT3 system isn't the same as a FAT or NTFS file system.  fragmentation and the like just doesn't mean the same thing in a journalized, modern FS as it does in single-process ones (like NTFS/FAT)06:49
jpsthis fsdrivers understand normaly only EXT206:50
kenAshton_K: I too tinkered with it a bit, then removed it and then ended up formating WIndows06:50
jpssince EXT3 is a EXT2 with journal...06:50
john_How can i Internet connection share.06:50
jpsthey just don't update the journal06:50
Ashton_Kjps, you can mount ext3 as ext2.06:50
thoreauputicken: if only 0.6 % of your journal was missed, you have little to worry about ( note that I used to run unjournalled filesystems all the time before ext3)06:50
john_I have the directions for a mAc06:50
jpsyeah exactly06:50
Spistersmy God it worked, now here is my only question, what sort of drives does Ubuntu come with and I heard that if you duel boot with Windows that it can look for drivers in windows to use, is this true?06:50
jpsext3 mouted as ext2 = no journal06:50
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Ashton_KSpisters, if Ubuntu is installed AFTER windows, you'll have a dual boot.06:51
jpsso the data was written to your fs... but not the journal META data06:51
Ashton_KAs long as the partitions are separate.06:51
kenjps: i am listening06:51
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Ashton_KUbuntu by default uses GRUB, which will allow for multiple OS's.06:51
jpsso ken... yes probably the fswindows driver is the cause for this check06:51
john_Is there a way to connection sharing. using my ethernet as source to wifi, to other laptops?06:51
jpsbut there is no problem06:51
Spistersright, my question is, is there any reason to duel boot, can Ubuntu look to windows for drivers?06:51
Ashton_KBut if Windows is installed second, it'll overwrite grub with the MBR, which won't see Linux.06:51
Ashton_KFor drivers? No way.06:51
Ashton_KOnly if you have some software in Windows that you REALLY want.06:52
Ashton_KOr Games.06:52
Spistersthen if I have other computers with windows and need this as a server this is no reason to do that06:52
Ashton_KOnly if you have a need for Windows.06:52
kenjps: thoreauputic: SilentDis: But i dont want to sit around and foolishly let my drives being checked when i have simply copied a .txt file from WIn->/home. You know it takes a long time to check the FS, and i feel kinda' foolish waiting for this process to happen everytime i copy something06:52
Ashton_KAs far as linux is concerned, it's just taking up space.06:52
Ashton_KIt can't borrow drivers, executables, anything.06:52
SilentDisken: it'll only happen once every 30 boots into linux :)06:52
thoreauputicken: does it happen on every boot?06:52
kenSpisters: Ubuntu CANNOT look IN WINDOWS06:52
jpsubuntu just said: i see new data... my journal doesn't acknowledge this... it must be corrupt (it was just old info)... so the kernel fs driver fixed it06:53
Ashton_KIt can, but what's the point.06:53
Ashton_KThere's nothing there it can use.06:53
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john_I wait for you to help this guy.06:53
Ashton_KWindows drivers don't work in Linux, executables aren't compatable.06:53
ubotu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!06:53
Spistersno need for this computer to run windows, thanks guys, and sorry for the nub questions I had someone tell me that it could look to windows but I kinda suspected the guy was full of it, I mean thats like saying Apple can use windows06:53
max_how do you enable direct rending06:53
Ashton_Kjohn, have you burned it to a disc and booted it ?06:53
adriftOK, no answer to the WoW question? That's fine, i have another question. I have an x86-64 chip and am having problems with flash in the 64 bit version of Firefox, so i've been using Swiftfox as a work around, but i'm wondering if i'm missing anything with Firefox and if so how would i be able to get flash to work in firefox?06:53
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about bitchfest - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:53
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about complain - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:53
john_No im not talking about that06:54
holycowtouche we need some entries on that06:54
nix_ferretShow of hands - what ubuntu/kubuntu re;eases is everyone using?06:54
john_Im talking about Connection sharing06:54
ubotuholycow: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.06:54
Ashton_KOh boy, I don't know much about that.06:54
adriftubuntu edgy06:54
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SilentDisnix_ferret:  Ubuntu 6.10, installed Kubuntu after.06:54
max_how do you enable direct rending?06:54
thoreauputicguys, leave the poor bot alone :)06:54
john_would the mac directions work?06:54
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SpistersI have heard though that you can get a program wrap around a windows driver for wireless cards to work in it?06:54
adriftholycow, man you seem to get yourself in all kinds of trouble here don't you lol06:55
Ashton_KSpotty, but a decent work around.06:55
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holycowadrift, truth hurts06:55
nix_ferretanyone having the issue where you can't stream files from an XP box? (v6.10)06:55
kenjps: SilentDisjps: SilentDis: thoreauputic: Thank you and have a nice day, i will need to do some more experimentation to check whether the disk check is run everytime i write somehting from WIndows or was it a mere GODDAMN co-incidence that is causing all this worry to me06:55
jpsjust anyone can help me with my bug on network-manager?? i selected a static ip in ubuntu's default network tool an now network manager  complains it's not connected anymore06:55
thoreauputicken: apart from the swearing, you're welcome :)06:55
foglightadrift: not much in the way of 64bit support form multimedia plugins06:56
nix_ferretThinking about trying feisty herd106:56
jpsken> reboot your ubuntu... see if the check dissapears... it should...06:56
SilentDisken:  no troubles.  happy Chrismahanukwanzakah!06:56
SpistersHow much room does Ubuntu need, I have a 2 gig drive, can I use that as my master and save my 80 gig as a slave for file space?06:56
holycowjps, you can set that up manuall in /etc/network/interfaces06:56
jpsthen boot windows again and write something to ext3 again.. and see06:56
nix_ferretAnyone try feisty yet?06:56
adriftfoglight, yeah, i've been noticing that. very disappointed06:56
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Ashton_KThat 2 gig should be big enough to split between /boot and swap.06:56
Ashton_KThen use the 80 gig for root.06:56
holycowjps, you need to ifdown eth0 or whatever interface it is, change it to static ip, then do iface eth0 up06:56
Ashton_KOr split that between root and /home, if you want to.06:56
kenok bye06:56
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foglightadrift: 64bit is mostly for servers06:56
max_how do you enable direct rending?06:56
SilentDisnix_ferret:  I might mess with it in march or so... lol06:56
deebuis gnome 2.16 faster than 2.14 or the same???06:56
john_im sad :(06:57
holycowoops sorry last one should be ifup eth006:57
jpsholycow> i used system->administration->networking....  now the network-manager applet thinks im offline06:57
adriftfoglight, why do they sell it to client consumers then?06:57
Spisterswow, I kinda just put the dot in the one I want, how do I say use this as home?06:57
deebuis gnome 2.16 faster than 2.14 or the same??? if yes...is there a big difference?06:57
nix_ferretcan u upgrade to gnome 2.16 in the package manager?06:57
Spistersman I feel stupid06:57
foglightadrift: sell what?06:57
jpsholycow> i even rebooted the box... it still thinks im offline lol06:57
holycowjps, sounds like its not reading the  interfaces file.06:57
foglightadrift: if you want to do video editing06:57
holycowjpiccolo, you don't need to reboot linux, just shutdown and startup eth card06:58
SilentDisdeebu:  define 'faster'.  I didn't notice a speed improvement going from 2.14>2.16.  the biggest change, for me at least, between dapper and edgy, was my boot time was cut in half lol06:58
thoreauputicnix_ferret: afaik edgy uses 2.1606:58
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jpsholy>yeah... strange isnt it?06:58
Spisterswould I use "manually edit partition table" to set that up? or can I not use the GUI loader?06:58
holycowjps, it happens, easily fixed, let me get you a sample interface file to look at06:58
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SilentDisnix_ferret:  a lot of stuff that's in edgy is available in dapper, via the backports.06:59
Ashton_KOne last attempt, try to brute force my way to wireless joy with ndiswrapper.06:59
SilentDis!backports | nix_ferret06:59
ubotunix_ferret: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports06:59
Ashton_KIf this doesn't work, I'll try a different distro.06:59
jpswhat is the path to the interface file again?06:59
deebuSilentDis, , i wanna go back to dapper.....as edgy is givin me probs...including loong boot time n blank screen bootup...should i go back? i see nothing special except FF 2.0..06:59
adriftfoglight, i mean... seems like there's not many folks warning others that 64 bit should be server based. and no, i don't do video editing. guess i was one of the chumps that jumped on to the hype about 64 bit being the wave of the future.06:59
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holycowjps, no rebooting required06:59
thoreauputicjps: /etc/network/interfaces06:59
nix_ferrethmm, thanks guys. Goin to check it now06:59
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foglightadrift: its not like nintendo vs nintendo 64 ;)07:00
SilentDisdeebu:  Firefox 2.0 is available in dapper-backports (i think), so if that's all you saw that you wanted, you can safely go back.  but, we MIGHT be able to help you with your edgy woes here you know :)07:00
deebuSilentDis, but for me dapper booted slightly faster...n with a pretty usplash..in edgy i dont see anythin on bootup..07:00
adriftfoglight, lol, true07:00
Ashton_Kanyone know if ndiswrapper is in apt-get?07:00
foglightadrift: wikipedia has a nice article on 64bit07:00
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs07:00
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deebuSilentDis, ive tried a LOT to fix the usplash issue...on forums too...bu to no avail...do u know how i can make the usplash appear? i see a blank screen until gdm comes..07:01
n2diyWhy does Firefox refuse to accept cookis?07:01
deebuSilentDis, i can also use swiftfox which would be better:)07:01
idlemindn2diy; it's now hungry07:01
SilentDisdeebu:  i lost mine when I was messing with the ubuntu satanic edition usplash replacement rofl.  I'm going through the usplash info i can find now though.  might be a day or 2 before I'm comfortable guiding someone else though it though :)07:02
adriftfoglight, yeah. i've seen it. it just seems that most magazines like Maximum PC, and articles online and what not... well they seem to push 64bit tech as the thing to get if you want to be one step ahead of the masses especially in gaming and high end apps. but i'm finding it a nuisance more than anything07:02
n2diyiblemind, I feed him.07:02
n2diyidlemind, I feed him.07:03
holycowadrift, not only that, its mostly pointless for average applications07:03
Spistersthank you for the wireless information07:03
john_too late07:03
john_i heard firestarter can connection share..07:03
john_is this true?07:03
holycowvery ffew things can actually use the power of 64'bitness07:03
john_dont you card have linux drivers?07:03
idlemindn2diy; that's the problem; he won't take cookies till u make him hungry; cut off his lil fox food and he'll take every cookie u throw his way07:03
adriftso when will this change, or will it?07:03
john_Intel has linux chipset drivers.07:03
deebuon my hardware...ubuntu's been getting worse with every release!07:03
Telroth_Plushie|Merry Christmas all07:03
john_Help me now?07:03
holycowadrift, when ftp clients somehow start to require 64'bit related power?07:03
SilentDisTelroth_Plushie|, happy Chrismahanukwanzakah!07:04
Spisterslets say I fill up the 2 gig drive with programs, would I be able to install programs on my IDA slave drive?07:04
holycowmaybe ms can do something about that07:04
john_Happy festivus.07:04
n2diyidlemind, ok, thanks.07:04
john_Festivus for the rest of us.07:04
deebubut i FEEL gnome 2.16 is a BIT faster in loading apps than dapper...wonder if u'll agree..?07:04
n2diy73 all, and merry Xmas.07:04
SilentDisjohn_, i prefer Chrismahanukwanzakah lol07:04
adrifti wish someone pointed this all out to me 4 months ago :D07:04
deebuSilentDis, but i FEEL gnome 2.16 is a BIT faster in loading apps than dapper...wonder if u'll agree..?07:04
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john_Festivus isnt about material things though.07:04
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john_its about how everyone dissapointed you that year.07:05
deebuguess what? my cousins saw my cool ubuntu desktop n praised it n began askin me abt the OS:)07:05
jpsyou guys were talking about backports...07:05
idleminddoes ubuntu desktop and ubuntu server have different forums?07:05
adriftFestivus lol. I love Seinfeld. How do we incorporate Festivus into the discussion in order to stay on topic and not get the Gods angry? :D07:06
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SilentDisdeebu:  eh *shrug*.  i found beryl easier to play with in edgy lol.  they both have their advantages (edgy is bleeding edge tech in some respects, dapper is very very stable).07:06
jpshave  a look.. it does not have firefox 2.0 or anything remotely useful07:06
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john_will mac commands work in terminal.07:06
nix_ferretIf I'm having an issue with gnome-vfs and I need to install a diff version, what's the best way?07:06
john_i never used a mac. so u dunno.07:06
SpistersI use a mac, but I never use terminal in mac so I could try some if you like07:06
holycownix_ferret, wait for the next ubuntu update and post bugreports07:07
john_well ifconfig is in linux right/07:07
SilentDisadrift:  i think we'll hit an !offtopic before it gets too far rofl07:07
Spisterslet me check if it is in mac hold on07:07
adriftSilentDis, yeah probably.07:07
jpsanyone here uses dapper and backports... and uses it for any important package?07:07
nix_ferretBug report is listed as fixed, but it's not. No way to force install?07:07
thoreauputicjohn_: macs now use bash, so some commands are the same - but macs have extra ones that are not bash07:07
Spistersyes it does work07:08
adriftso what am i missing in firefox compared to swiftfox?07:08
john_Well i trying to follow these instruction but they are mac only07:08
adrifter... with swiftfox that should read07:08
SilentDisyou know... never used that...07:08
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about swiftfox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:08
thoreauputicjohn_: the mac file system structure is entirely different - i wouldn't use mac instructions07:09
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thoreauputicjohn_: what are you trying to do ?07:09
adriftdarn it, i was hoping for easy answers here without doing a search. :D ok nevermind then.07:09
holycowit's also bsd07:09
SpistersI have a sneaking suspicion that OSX is just a fancy linux build because they keep updating it with things that are already commonly found in linux boots, and if everyone else already knows this then I guess I look stupid again tonight07:09
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holycowlots of difference that matter there07:09
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deebuits child's play to install swiftfox in dapper or edgy...go to http://getswiftfox.com/debian.htm07:09
john_well im trying to get my nintendo ds to work online. and it dont like my routers.07:09
thoreauputicholycow: pretty bastardised bsd though I'm afraid07:10
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john_so im trying internet share.07:10
holycowthoreauputic, *nod* yeah :/07:10
adrifti have swiftfox, i was just wondering what the "major" differences would be.07:10
SpistersI have actually head about that happening, you may need to turn on port forwarding07:10
thoreauputicjohn_: nintendo? Why are you asking here? *laughs*07:10
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Spisterswhere is that off topic thing now??07:11
Spistershaha j/k07:11
john_no im trying to get ICS on linux07:11
john_but i dunno how07:11
adriftI know a lot of people use Opera because of firefox's memory usage, do you folks recommend any browser over another?07:11
thoreauputic----->>> #ubuntu-offtopic  *grin*07:11
nix_ferretWhat are the major diffs b/w dapper and edgy?07:11
Ashton_KArgh, ndiswrapper didn't work.07:11
john_ICS is off topic?07:11
Spistersman firefox is pretty nice, I can over look it's memory usage07:11
Ashton_KWhy, oh why, does my computer hate me?07:11
VR_Edgy sucks07:12
zcat[1] john_: sudo apt-get install firestarter07:12
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deebuyes edgy sucks!07:12
nix_ferretlol, ok. I think i'm seeing that07:12
zcat[1] ics == connection sharing ?07:12
adriftdeebu, why exactly?07:12
john_ok ill try that.07:12
nix_ferretseriously, are you ppl running dapper?07:12
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zcat[1] install firestarter, there's a checkbox to share the connection just like in 'doze07:12
deebuadrift, i get blinking cursor loooooong bootup!07:13
VR_dapper feels better, to me.07:13
zcat[1] makes it too easy07:13
holycownix_ferret, nope edgy here07:13
Spistersha, the grinch stole christmas is on!07:13
Spisterskick ass07:13
holycowit works pretty well07:13
john_does it make ssids as well?07:13
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zcat[1] ssids ?07:13
VR_it rhymes too07:13
VR_dapper is better07:13
nix_ferretI like it, but I NEED to be able to stream mp3 and vids from my XP box.07:13
john_dunn whta a ssid is?07:13
Spisterssorry about that @$$ word07:13
john_its so it emulates an access point07:14
adriftdeebu, really? I've used dapper and edgy and to tell the truth, i haven't noticed a significant difference. course, i'm still pretty new to Ubuntu07:14
zcat[1] suspect you mean allocate addresses.. dhcp. That's a checkbox in firestarter too07:14
john_so a laptop can see it as an access point.07:14
Spistersanyway system is now installing and I guess I will deal with it if I decides it does not like me, have a good one guys, thanks for the hell07:14
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SilentDisdeebu:  the only major difference i've noticed between edgy and dapper was in edgy, it was VERY simple to setup Beryl.  rofl07:14
zcat[1] ahhh.. ok, that's a little harder. You need to set up an adhoc wireless network first.07:14
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fivrehow can I get ubuntu to recognize my new monitor's possible resolutions and refresh rates and such?07:15
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto07:15
john_how do i do that?07:15
Ashton_KSon of a!07:15
zcat[1] which is in network settings. I'm not sure a regular card can properly act as an AP, I think you have to set up adhoc at both ends.07:15
Ashton_KNdiswrapper says all of these drivers are invalid.07:15
adriftyeah, beryl works pretty swell with edgy, i had to do a lot of searching in order to get things running with amd64, but even as a novice i haven't had too many problems getting things to gell07:16
Ashton_KWhat the heck?07:16
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andy__hello all07:16
ubotuHi! Welcome to #ubuntu!07:16
deebuadrift, depends on hardware..07:16
zcat[1] !adhoc07:16
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about adhoc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:17
SilentDisandy__, welcome and happy Chrismahanukwanzakah!07:17
zcat[1] bah07:17
zcat[1] !wifi07:17
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs07:17
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zcat[1] It's probably in there somewhere ;)07:17
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SilentDis!adhoc is wifi07:17
john_so is there guide for adhoc?07:17
john_this will go over ICS right?07:17
jpsa [07:17
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adriftMy biggest problem with Ubuntu all in all is trying to get the whole thing as user friendly as i possibly can for my girlfriend. I don't mind using the terminal, but i know she'll lose patience if she has to. so i'm trying to do my best with games like WoW and keeping Beryl working with out her getting headaches07:17
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thoreauputicSilenceGold: *cough* I don't think you have access to the bot, and that is the wrong way anyway07:18
john_thats all i need it to do.07:18
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QwertyMadrift, I failed :p07:18
jpsam I missing something? i can't see any firefox package in dapper backports07:18
SilentDisthoreauputic:  you're right on both counts.  :P07:18
VR_adrift: linux isn't for women, son07:18
adriftVR, LMAO, maybe07:18
thoreauputicSilenceGold: also your atempt gets reported :)07:18
SilentDisVR_, I take offence at that :P07:18
adriftQwertyM,  you failed trying to get it user friendly?07:18
jpsor in any distro-backports for that matter07:18
SilentDisthoreauputic, oops.  rofl07:19
adriftdeebu, what are you running hardware-wise?07:19
carlfk_lapadrift: if you want your GF to play games , better just run win07:19
holycowadrift, i find ubuntu very userfriendly for noobs07:19
zcat[1] give up on beryl. It's not reliable enough for regular users yet...07:19
QwertyMadrift, no, making my gf use it, even with beryl :p07:19
holycowadrift, what exactly are you trying to accomplish that isn't nicely polished up by default?07:19
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zcat[1] install blubuntu-look for a start. It's much nicer than the default imho07:20
deebuadrift, samsung monitor...intel celeron 2.40 Ghz...integrated intel graphics07:20
carlfk_lapI apt-get installed nvidia-glx, replaced driver=nv with nvidia, but get (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)07:21
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SilentDis!envy | carlfk_lap07:21
ubotucarlfk_lap: envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy07:21
carlfk_lapi'll check  it out07:22
zcat[1] carl: you might have to modprobe it or reboot to get the module loaded first07:22
adriftholycow, well for one thing, getting games to play on Ubuntu is sometimes a chore. I have to use Wine, and even then there's stuff i'm struggling with, like being able to switch between a running game and the desktop. i know it can be done (in windows you just hit the "super" key). That's just one example.07:22
SilentDiscarlfk_lap, I hate recommending the binary blobs... but the just work, and that script works PERFECTLY.07:22
highnekoWhen switching workspaces aka desktops, things like folders or programs in my gnome panel stay on both desktops when they're blinking. How can I stop this blinking thing or stop them from staying on other workspaces?07:22
holycowadrift, oh your doing that wrong07:23
john_Zcat, that thing you gave me didnt help07:23
holycowadrift, IF you start off with getting linux to be windows you are going to fail07:23
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holycowjust keep her on windows if thats what she wants07:23
carlfk_lapSilentDis: I want to use the card's svideo, and I need the bin for that, right?07:23
adriftdeebu, yeah your hardware is a bit detrimental i suppose. integrated graphics chip, why don't you spring about a hundred bucks for a graphics card?07:23
knixI'm having issues setting up JNDI resources with Tomcat 5.5 Ubuntu packages. The exact same resources work fine on everything else, and my own tomcat 5.5 from apache.org07:23
adriftholycow, yeah i realize that, but for those who've only ever used Windows... well the curve is still there.07:24
adriftme included07:24
zcat[1] john_: I'm not great with wifi.. perhaps someone else can help07:24
holycowthe most successful approach for me has been to make them understand its different and thta it should be approached that way07:24
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holycowadrift, actually i have found the opposite07:24
deebuadrift, i dotn earn...im  22 n studying...n i dont think dad will agree:)07:24
SilentDiscarlfk_lap, I'm not sure if they've got the Svideo running in the free drivers yet.  I haven't looked at them since I started using the binary blobs back in dapper.  sorry :(07:24
adriftholycow, how's that?07:25
holycowadrift, i have one 60 year old dude (just had birthday last week) running ubuntu without any problem.  he has severe attention defecit syndrome too07:25
holycowas an example07:25
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john_i got this crazy error trying to install firestarter.07:25
holycowand i'm not kidding, i can teach him how to do something one day he will forget it the next day07:25
holycowadrift, the gnome ui is self discoverable, thats the most important feature the gnome team brings to the table, little training required if any07:25
holycowadrift, what we DO gain is however, a very clear distinctio between tasks:  users tasks and administration tasks07:26
zcat[1] john: what error?07:26
adriftdeebu, i'm in school too, (course i'm 31 and working almost full time with a GI BIll) but a hundred fifty for a close to state of the art graphics card isn't that hard to manage.07:26
thoreauputicholycow: that's not attention deficit - that's poor short-term memory ( happens to everyone eventually)07:26
zcat[1] !firestarter07:26
ubotuUbuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).07:26
SilentDismoms are a lot less resistant to change, i've found.  my mom is running ubuntu happily hehe07:26
holycowlinux is fairly clear on those roles and most users expect to be a user and admin if they come from windows07:26
zcat[1] !search firestarter07:26
ubotuFound: firewall,firestarter07:26
Ashton_KIf you'll excuse the language, whoever made this Simply Mepis disk was a f*cking idiot.07:27
Ashton_KIt won't let me logon to the live CD.07:27
holycowthoreauputic, lol07:27
Ashton_KStupidest thing ever.07:27
deebuadrift, i know not too expensive...but as i said dad wont agree to it...n im in india:)07:27
holycowadrift, very cool btw :) thats a hard thing to do07:27
thoreauputicholycow: I'm serious - as you get older your short term memory gets worse :)07:27
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SilentDisthoreauputic, where am I again?07:27
holycowthoreauputic, he owns the company i work for ... trust me, its add :) this is one unique fellow07:28
holycowand yes i took a chance at getting my self fired07:28
thoreauputicSilentDis: this is your third lap of the goldfish bowl ;p07:28
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thoreauputicholycow: OK I trust you :)07:28
SilentDisthoreauputic, woohoo!  3rd lap!  lmao07:28
holycowthe weirdest thing is, he can't really tell the dif between the old system and new, and has never called me once to fix anything07:28
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thoreauputicSilentDis: you just forgot the first two :)07:29
SilentDisthoreauputic, well... that is the problem.  only 2 fins to count on and all...07:29
adriftholycow, yeah, but try getting my mom and dad to run Linux... I mean, if all they did was get on the net or read email, i could get them on Ubuntu in a heart beat, but when it's hard for them to even do the simplest tasks in Windows, it makes me wonder how useful Linux will end up being to them. I still can't help but feel (as user friendly as the Debian spin-offs are) that Linux is just too complicated for the average Joe, and most Linux07:29
adrift users are actually content with that.07:29
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Starcraftmazterwhats a good, FAST command-line ftp client?07:30
thoreauputicSilentDis: yes, evolution is aterrible burden ;p07:30
thoreauputicStarcraftmazter: lftp07:30
idlemindthis is my argument to that;07:30
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SilentDisStarcraftmazter, good old ftp works for me lol07:30
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holycowadrift, if they have problems with the simplest tasks ... whats the poitn of having windows then?07:30
holycowadrift, they will just click on something and get spyware and viruses instantly07:30
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StarcraftmazterI can't find a single GUI ftp client for linux which works...well07:30
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idlemindlinux is in most cases easier to use than windows; in most cases windows is harder; like ppl that use just the internet, email, and a word processor/excel ... but yet they buy a new computer every 2 years07:30
erpoIs there a way to convert a video to iPod format and load it onto an iPod without having to compile anything from source? I'm using Edgy.07:31
SilentDisStarcraftmazter, nautilus doesn't work for you?07:31
holycowadrift, just make sure they go through you when buying printers and things so they don't buy stuff that doesn't work07:31
idlemindwhy? because that's what everyone does; but if there needs don't change why should there hardware?07:31
adriftdeebu, living in India make it harder to afford that 100 dollar card? I'm asking because i don't know, most Indians i know here in the States are extremely wealthy... so no offence07:31
Starcraftmazternautilus does ftp? I didn't know07:31
idlemindbecause they don't know how to maintain what they have; and all they need is free.grisoft.com (avg free) and ad-aware from lavasoft07:31
thoreauputicStarcraftmazter: yup ftp://  or connect to server07:31
SilentDisStarcraftmazter, hit the text entry box, and type in an ftp addy.  should go right to it :)07:31
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idlemindbut the continual naivety of computing is it's own downfall; sometimes you just have to sit down and learn some of the basics07:32
SilentDisStarcraftmazter, if you need a login, the form is ftp://username@server.addy.com/07:32
deebuadrift, but more than 70% ppl in india are below poverty line...indians there are wealthy coz they are extremely successful n hardworking...07:32
thoreauputicSilenceGold: connect to server from the places menu is good too07:32
holycowidlemind, thats pretty much it, i would agree with that07:32
idlemindnot outlook -> email but mua -> email and gui -> graphical user interface07:32
noodzhi, i have a weird problem... I just installed Edgy, and I can connect to wireless networks if I enter the SSID manually, but when I run network-admin or wifi-radar, it doesn't see any networks.  I know I'm in an area with at least 10 signals floating around07:32
SurgeXRun it as root07:32
idleminduntil that message gets across to ppl then we're fighting an up=hill battle of he-said-she-said07:32
noodzi did07:32
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SilentDisthoreauputic, good point.  I'm just so 'used to' it at this point, direct text entry is just easier for me.  i forget not everyone has been at this for years :)07:33
noodzyeah, I didn't have this problem in earlier versions07:33
jengc0i1un_operateur: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38740/07:33
SurgeXI got Edgy I put mu SSID in the setup07:33
thoreauputicSilentDis: yes - I use lftp - or actually more often scp07:33
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noodzright, but what if I don't know the SSID, I should be able to see a list07:34
noodzit just won't show it07:34
J-_merry christmas everyone =D 1 hour 33 minutes into christmas =)07:34
cmwebIS their any possible way to install ubuntu on a system with a 64MB ram?07:34
SilentDisJ-_, happy Chrismahanukwanzakah!07:34
adriftdeebu, i agree with that. and though i knew that with a population that's second only to what... China, the statistics for poverty are going to be waaay up there. figured if you had a computer at all, you were on of the lucky few, no?07:34
SurgeXyes use Xfce07:34
noodzis there a console program (maybe one of the iw-s?) that will do it?07:34
SilentDis!xubuntu | cmweb07:34
ubotucmweb: Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"07:34
holycownoodz, sounds like your wireless card doesn't actually work07:34
SurgeXcmweb use Xubuntu07:34
slickyJ-_:  christmas was over for like 7 hours and 37 minutes ;D07:34
holycownoodz, are you sure its supported?07:34
thoreauputiccmweb: yes, but you need to start from a bare bones install ( text/cli)07:34
carlfk_lapSilentDis: thanks.  envoy worked.  pretty cool07:34
SilentDiscmweb:  you'll need the alternate install disk, but it should run :)07:35
J-_slicky: hmm, which part of world are you in?07:35
cmwebon the system is currently Windows 98 i have the ubuntu 6.06 LTS disk07:35
SurgeXcmweb download the alternate cd07:35
thoreauputicSilenceGold: even xubuntu will struggle on 64 MB07:35
noodzholycow: i'm connected to a wireless network right now, and it has worked in every previous version of ubuntu right out of the box, so to say07:35
cmwebthe cdrom does not accept cdrw07:35
SilentDiscarlfk_lap, no troubles.  I rather like that little tool :)07:35
cmwebor cdr for that matter07:35
K^Holtzmy videos that im playing on youtube are being rather sketchy.. is there something i dont have set up properly?07:35
slickyJ-_:  sweden ;P  you?07:35
noodzholycow: it just won't see connections unless i manually specify the SSID07:35
J-_ah shoot, this is not the off topic channel, sorry.. #ubuntu-offtopic =D (Canada)07:36
holycownoodz, thats weird.  i'm not sure how to go about solving that one07:36
thoreauputicJ-_: it's Christmas - so i won't kick you for being OT ;)07:36
noodzholycow: does one of the iw- command line programs have an option for listing available SSID's? Maybe that would work07:37
thoreauputicwell, not yet anyway ;)07:37
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K^Holtzhow do i check if i have the accelerated graphics for my nvidea set up right?07:37
K^Holtztheres that collored circle program or something like that...07:37
slickyJ-_: big deal :P :)07:37
J-_thoreauputic: Thanks, Merry christmas =D07:37
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thoreauputicJ-_: same to you :)07:37
cmwebmy system is 64MB not 12807:37
SilentDisK^Holtz, in a terminal, type the following:  glxinfo | grep direct07:38
daishadarneed some help- when installing ubuntu, it fails to load the live version; the x server gives me a "virtual screen too big for memory" error07:38
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holycownoodz, i don't know, an alternative for scanning for networks is kizmet.  it is supposed to be top of the line for network scanning.  maybe try that?  but thats not a real answer, the network manager should show that info for you07:38
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thoreauputicdaishadar: specs? RAM?07:38
_goofy_is it possible to limit a NIC to just acces a the internet not the LAN07:38
daishadaris there a way to change the xorg.conf file when booting07:38
deebuadrift, i am one of the lucky few....but i really think a nive video card si a luxury..07:38
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K^HoltzSilentDis: whoa.. lots of MISSING GLX display messages07:39
SilentDisK^Holtz, if it says "yes", you're set.  if you want to do a fast 'benchmark' of sorts, you can run glxgears -printfps, to get a quicky 'demo' as it were07:39
daishadarPentium 3 600, 256 MB RAM, SiS graphics card (8MB I belive)?07:39
cmwebhow do i download xubuntu07:39
zspada15_!xubuntu | cmweb07:39
ubotucmweb: Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"07:39
K^HoltzXlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".07:39
K^HoltzError: couldn't find RGB GLX visual07:39
cmwebIm their and i dont see the download07:39
SilentDisK^Holtz, then it's not setup, apparently lol.  were you trying the binary blob drivers?07:39
zspada15_cmweb: what os are you on now?07:39
cmwebubuntu :0P07:39
thoreauputicdaishadar: sounds OK - try booting "recover/rescue" mode - and then run dpk-reconfigure xserver-xorg at the root prompt07:40
SurgeXcmweb: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/xubuntu-6.10-alternate-i386.iso07:40
thoreauputicum dpkg-reconfigure07:40
K^HoltzSilentDis: im not sure what ur talking about.. i know i had them set up properly, i think it got messed up when i upgraded to edgy07:40
cmwebi cant download this07:40
cmwebdialup wont support it07:40
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cmweb600 Mb will take 2 weeks07:40
SurgeXShipit is not available for Xubuntu :P07:40
adriftholycow, most windows users "do" have all kinds of spyware and viruses on their computers. i work at a local pc repair shop and that 's 80 percent of the stuff that comes in, and even though you don't run into a whole lot of that crap with linux (i'm assuming so far), even with spybot, adaware, avg, people still don't know how to run a computer. it's still not intuitive to the average joe for whatever reason. mostly because they choose no07:41
adriftt to maintain what they have. they think of a computer like it's a tv, not a car. so they don't go ahead and do simple stuff like run spybot and defrag a couple times a month with windows. either people need to overcome ignorance (which isn't going to happen unless it's taught in public schools) or they need something that just "works". I don't see any reason why someone can't plug in a computer with linux running and it just always "work07:41
adrifts", because we're so close with this tech, but for some reason we still have to run the terminal for whatever reason :D07:41
SilentDisK^Holtz, I recommend the envy script to a lot of people setting up their nvidia drivers. it just works.07:41
daishadarthoreauputic, thanks, i'll try it out and ping you if i have more questions :) (newbie)07:41
thoreauputicdaishadar: if you can't install from the desktop CD try the alternate CD07:41
SilentDis!envy | K^Holtz07:41
ubotuK^Holtz: envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy07:41
cmwebSo i need some way to use ubuntu 6.06 on a 64 MB machine07:41
thoreauputicdaishadar: 256MB is on the efge for the desktop CD07:41
holycowadrift, *nog* TOOOTALY agree with that07:41
holycowadrift, oh totall.  what is happening is that we have the technolgoy07:42
daishadarthoreauputic, oh, will the alternate CD run faster?07:42
K^HoltzSilentDis: does it only set up the nvidea drivers or is it one of those package deals07:42
holycowadrift, what we are busy doing as we can is build the gui interfaces to the subsystems07:42
mike__i have a issue, PM me if you would like to help07:42
holycowits going to take a while07:42
thoreauputicdaishadar: the alternate is install only - but it uses less RAM07:42
cmwebAny one got any idead? is their away to install it with out gnome?07:42
mike__i have a issue, PM me if you would like to help07:43
holycowadrift, i totally see users the same way.  they want a fancy tv basically.  what i do is just do with the home users here is just lock them down07:43
ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)07:43
thoreauputicdaishadar: i.e. you can only use the alternate CD to install to the hard drive07:43
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SilentDisK^Holtz, it will download and install the 'official' drivers from nvidia.com, get all the packages you need to install them properly, and make sure it's setup right.  it's NOT like automatix or anything like that, it doesn't modify package files.  it uses the package manager to make sure it gets setup properly, and gets the .run file direct from nvidia for you.07:43
holycowi'm oversimplifying but mostly when you load up a ton of free games and the basics they are very happy07:43
cmwebljl, come back07:43
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cmwebIm pulling 12KB out of this line07:44
cmwebHOLY CRAP07:44
mike__Dail up?07:44
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mike__<-- FiOS07:44
adriftholycow, so do you think we're that far out from actually having a free gui that will take care of the average guy on the street who sees this as that fancy tv?07:44
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SurgeXHey, Does Ubuntu support the Intel Graphics Media Accelerator (900)?07:45
zspada15_cmweb: thats amazing07:45
daishadarthoreauputic, got it. that's probably more of what i wanted, but i'll try this first07:45
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zspada15_i was pulling 2000 kb at school07:45
holycowadrift, i don't think there is an 'average guy on the street' unfortunately07:45
cmwebEstimated time for the xubuntu is 17Hours07:45
holycowadrift, there are A LOT of subgroups to that demographic i think07:45
K^HoltzSilentDis: sounds pretty convenient..07:45
SurgeXLeave it you got no choice :P07:45
zspada15_cmweb: shit07:45
zspada15_cmweb: where do you live?07:45
cmwebHolt, florida07:46
holycowadrift, we haveto do better to define the sub demographic and go after each one individually07:46
zspada15_cmweb: i'd mail you xubuntu cd, but i dont know07:46
adrifthow would we do that?07:46
SilentDisK^Holtz, it is.  i ran into one small problem with it ONE TIME, and the 'fix' was just to run the script again.07:46
cmwebdamn their must be no one on the server tonight07:46
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holycowadrift, research unfortunately07:46
bazfooI should make a t-shirt that says "average guy on the street"07:46
adriftbazfoo, lol07:46
cmwebzspada15_: want a cd in return or 307:46
thoreauputicdaishadar: 600mhz and 256MB *should* run the live CD - bt I think for installing the alternate is safer ( you might get RAM issues with the graphical installer)07:46
zspada15_cmweb: i'll do it for you within the next week07:47
K^HoltzSilentDis: i installed the package.. did u say i run it through synaptec?07:47
SilentDisbazfoo:  i'm wearing my "i'm part of the problem" t-shirt right now...07:47
zspada15_cmweb: dont send me a cd, i dont need them07:47
zspada15_cmweb: gramma just bought me a hundred pack of cdrs07:47
adriftI think there are more "average guys on the street" than most computer savvy people think. i know in my shop that the majority of folks who come in have zero clue.07:47
cmwebzspada15_: so did mine :-P07:47
zspada15_cmweb: really?07:47
cmwebzspada15_: yeah and now i got them stacked in my closet07:48
zspada15_cmweb: hehe07:48
holycowadrift, its not the zero clue part that worries me.  what i think is really important to understand is what they want to do with computers07:48
idlemindsilentDis: LOL sounds like a sweet shirt07:48
zspada15_cmweb: join #spad-rc07:48
SilentDisK^Holtz, after you download the package, dbl click it, and install it.  once it's on your system, you'll have to switch to a straight terminal (ctrl-f1), and do a sudo envy.  it'll take care of the rest for you.  (it kills x, gdm, etc)07:48
daishadarthoreauputic, is it just that the live version requires more RAM? and after i install (with either live or alternate) i'll be ok?07:48
drbreenanyone here tried to get sugar on ubutnu running ?07:48
SilentDisidlemind:  http://www.tshirthell.com/ - some of the shirts are quite funny... others are quite offensive.  ymmv ;)07:49
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thoreauputicdaishadar: shoud be fine - but I strongly suggest the alternate CD for installing07:49
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adriftholycow, well the younger generation is a bit more savvy, but with ipod being a number 1 seller (for example) people just want to plug in and play.07:49
daishadarthoreauputic, ok, i'll give that a shot instead07:49
thoreauputicdaishadar: the problem lies with the installer, not the distro as such07:49
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thoreauputicdaishadar: the graphical *installer* uses more resources07:50
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holycowadrift, i think we would find that between engineers, doctors, lawyers, labourers, all of them have different software requireements07:50
daishadarthoreauputic, oh, yikes. got it07:50
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thoreauputicdaishadar: merry Christmas ;)07:50
holycowadrift, the basic online experience is covered, but you know when the engineer asks you if he can load up engineering software what do you say?07:50
daishadarthoreauputic, haha thanks, you too ;)07:51
mike__im having issues installing fonts, PM if me if you would like to help07:51
SilentDis!ask | mike__07:51
ubotumike__: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)07:51
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mike__i would rather do it in PM07:51
hope13i can't see people lol07:51
thoreauputicmike__: keep your questions in channel so everyone can learn07:51
PORDOi can't find this package: gstreamer0.10-vorbis07:52
PORDOam i missing a source or something?07:52
ubotuPlease ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first.07:52
PORDOdo you guys find it in apt-cache?07:52
SilentDisPORDO, I think that's in either universe or multiverse...07:52
SilentDis!codecs | pordo07:53
ubotupordo: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats07:53
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ubotuBeryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl07:53
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about graphics - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:53
ubotuFont installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer07:53
holycowmike__, just make sure the fontws are supported07:53
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holycowand put them in your .fonts dir in your home dir07:53
holycowmike__, its pretty much that simple07:54
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adriftholycow, true, but what about that woman i had in my shop the other day who was still using her typewriter and the library to make copies who doesn't want the hassle of downloading adobe whatever or buy Word in order to type up a document. should they be forced to learn tech? by now all of this should be second nature to folks. Even I find it difficult to figure out how to do things in Windows, not to mention Ubuntu in order to do even th07:54
adrifte simplest of tasks. Like i said, the ability to make all of this intuitive is out there, but for whatever reason we still have to make sure they enter a password just to log in. That's insanity (for them anyways).07:54
b0redhi. i have intel core2 cpu... so it supports 64bits... which version of ubuntu do i download?07:54
hope13i can't see the list of user for some reason07:54
holycowadrift, absolutely07:54
hope13you dl the 64 bit version iso07:54
holycowadrift, i think there A LOT of people like that07:55
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holycowadrift, i might even try to service those people directly07:55
jengc0i1holycow:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38742/07:55
b0redhope13, but it's written for amd on the site For computers based on the AMD64 or EM64T architecture (e.g., Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon). It is not necessary for all (even most) processors made by AMD -- only their 64 bit chips07:55
holycowadrift, except there is a problem they are WAAAAY too cheap07:55
holycowadrift, i've helped out millionaires that balked at $80/hr service fees07:55
PORDOSilentDis what does this have to do with restricted formats?!07:55
adriftholycow, good point07:55
jengc0i1b0red: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38742/07:55
hope13i thought intel 64 bit ALU is basing it on AMD07:55
PORDOvorbis is non-proprietary.07:55
holycowadrift, in the end they are the cause of their own mysery -_-07:55
hope13i guess i'm wrong07:56
holycowadrift, and they alwyas think you are trying to upsell them on something too, heh07:56
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SilentDisPORDO, i THINK the vorbis library got shoved into the universe or multiverse repos.  let me check right quick...07:56
hope13i don't have the user window on xchat anyone know how to enable it?07:56
adriftholycow, often, that's because they expect something simple out of something advance, that's why we have advancements in technology, to make life simple and well... cheap07:56
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K^HoltzSilentDis: i dont think it worked so well07:56
holycowadrift, heh07:57
SilentDisK^Holtz, what happened?07:57
b0redhmm hope13?07:57
PORDOdeb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe multiverse07:57
PORDOdeb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe multiverse07:57
holycowadrift, mostly we have poorly engineered solutions to poorly thought out problems BECAUSE the clients are not interested/don't have time to really make the right decision07:57
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K^HoltzSilentDis: i ran it, and it just went to a black screen, and i could type anything and it wouldnt come out of it.. i hit a CTRL F1 a bunch of times while i was in there and it finally rebooted07:57
bazfooadrift: if you have an idea for eliminating passwords please let me know07:57
K^Holtzwhen i got back into ubuntu, i ran that command again, and it didnt work07:57
jengc0i1PORDO: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38742/07:57
sushi_anyone know a command line to instantly generate a hot girlfriend for me who will do anything i tell her to do ?  plz help thx07:57
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto07:57
K^Holtzthe command to test it07:57
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hope13bored: on xchat program i don't have the window with the list of user; do you know how to enable it?07:58
mike__ok now i have another issue, how do i make it so my newly installed fonts veiwable on my desktop?07:58
SilentDisK^Holtz, i tried to say the instructions before you left... you must've missed 'em :)07:58
K^HoltzSilentDis: ic.. what were the instructions? i just typed sudo envy and let it run07:58
holycowadrift, so what ends up having is that because clients cannot understand the problem or solution, they put a premium on price.  they think that being cheap is an okay way to solve a problem, and it just results in them ending up with crappy solutions07:58
adriftyeah, that's not how it works unfortunately. the 60 year old guy i work with wants a computer that you just plug in and use, he wants the cell phone that has no extra features, you just turn on, dial up and talk. i want these things to, and like i said, its not nearly out of the realm of possibility to bring these things to customers, but for whatever reason, noone delivers07:58
holycowadrift, thus they are the cause of their own mysery07:58
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holycowadrift, totally07:59
SilentDisK^Holtz, after you install the package, hit ctrl-f1.  log into that terminal.  THEN run sudo envy.  envy will kill off the x windows system, gdm, and any other graphical stuff running.  it will THEN install the driver for you, and offer to restart gdm at the end of the process.07:59
mchAnybody: is it possible to install off of the 5.10 live CD?07:59
mike__ok now i have another issue, how do i make it so my newly installed fonts veiwable on my desktop?07:59
K^Holtzctrl F1 doesnt do anything for me if i hit it right now07:59
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SilentDisK^Holtz, aargh, i am so sorry, i rebound my keys.  ctrl-alt-f108:00
holycowadrift, and the frustrating part is you can't really do anything to get them to understand.  they glaze over at a multisylable sentence08:00
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K^HoltzSilentDis: ok, ill try that08:00
sushi_hey anyone know the ubuntu apt-get command for a nice 19 y/o08:00
_goofy_is there a way to seperate a shared internet connection and  LAN connection between 2 NIC's08:01
hope13sweet i got it to work08:01
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sushi_mch: yes08:01
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hope13can i ask help about aiglx here or do i have to go to the xgl channel?08:02
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mchsushi_: any details how? booting into the live os failed to provide any links/options for install. Any suitable links?08:02
SenesenceVLC won't play my DVD's, I already got the libdvdcss2 and all the codecs. Anyone got any idea what the problem could be here?08:02
n2diyhope13: go for it.08:02
PORDOI would KILL if someone here could help me figure out how to get dmix working on my ICH5 ac97 setup.08:03
hope13i was reading the howto compiz +aiglx on edgy08:03
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PORDOi'm going to have an aneurysm -- i've been working on it all weekend.08:03
hope13and i don't get this: Warning !! compiz-quinn-aiglx and compiz-vanilla-aiglx are now deprecated !Gnome Compiz Manager replace them !08:03
adriftholycow, yeah. i agree. so more or less, i could hook up my parents with a fully operational system in say... Ubuntu, it just takes the time and dedication to set that system up. I mean... i'd love to do that for them, but then i have to contend (not only the time it would take to do that) but having them integrate the newly acquired knowledge with that that they face at work with windows 2000 or ME lol08:03
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hope13what does that mean? lol08:04
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holycowadrift, a bit yes.  one needs to install flash, codecs, games and lots of various niceties *nod*08:04
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pianoboy3333How do I get chanserv to join my channel?08:04
chimereHi, is there any GUI interface for VisualBoyAdvance for linux like in windows? (sorry bad english)08:04
jercosThere's VBA express08:05
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SenesenceIf you try to fast forward through your DVD's in totem, the whole thing freezes.08:05
thoreauputicpianoboy3333: ping a staffer I suppose08:06
ademanis there any program that reads or imports power tab files?08:06
sushi_mch im sorry the live cd and the install cd are different on breezy.08:06
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chimereeuh, not that one jercos, i wanted the menus just like in windows where we can find OAM viewer and other functionnalities... (bad bad english)08:06
mchsushi_ as I thought, thanks all the same08:06
adriftholycow, sigh, well hopefully in the not to distant future we'll have something that will incorporate all of those things into a distro :D08:07
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holycowadrift, you have it08:07
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holycowits ubuntu08:07
adriftlol, more or less08:07
SenesenceI can't play my DVD's :(08:07
sciboyMy computer finally became unstable.08:07
adriftjust gotta make sure they don't have a system that doesn't have 64 bit technology like me :D08:08
holycowsciboy, what does that mean exactly?08:08
sciboyholycow: I did a bunch of stuff i wasn't suppose to and it's freezing often for a year of abuse.08:08
sciboyafter a year*08:08
holycowsciboy, well look at it this way08:08
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sushi_Senesence I use VLC with the restricted modules library installed08:08
pianoboy3333thoreauputic: easier than that actually08:08
Naik0Hello ive installed Candido GTK+2 Engine with "sudo dpkg -i package_name.deb"08:08
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holycowif you reinstall you don't haveto 'ask permission' from redmon to actually use what you own08:08
fowlduckMerry Christmas and goodnight08:08
thoreauputicpianoboy3333: ?08:08
sushi_Senesence restricted formats08:08
Naik0am i finished now?08:09
pianoboy3333thoreauputic: lol08:09
holycowsciboy, thats the best way to learn, be prepared to hose a systme and just giver08:09
pianoboy3333thoreauputic: I'm not sharing my secrets ;)08:09
jercosI just recently used the install/live CD for ubuntu dapper to expand my root partiton (ext3 from around 6 GB to around 30-ish GB) and now I have the exact same amount of free space (close to 1 GB). sudo du -s /* doesnt show nearly enough to account for 37 GB of data... any ideas what could be the problem?08:09
Senesencesushi_: I have VLC, and also libdvdcss2 all the codecs (easy ubuntu), but VLC won't play it.08:09
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sciboyI saw it coming, but anyway since i'm doing a fresh install, i'm wondering what kind of desktop environment i should go for this time.08:09
thoreauputicpianoboy3333: I don't need your secrets - i can talk to nalioth or rob :)08:09
sciboyUp till now i've been using XFCE4 + Rox-filer.08:09
pianoboy3333thoreauputic: fine... /msg chanserv set <channel> guard on08:10
thoreauputicpianoboy3333: cool :)08:10
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hope13um i'm trying to install AIGLX08:11
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Naik0how can i see what GTK+2 Engine i use?08:11
thoreauputicpianoboy3333: since I have no intention of setting up a channel I can forget that immendiately ;p08:11
hope13i'm editing the sources.list and it doesn't work08:11
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adrifthow would you go about backing up so that these thing don't get completely hosed. Windows has the Restore feature which barely works half the time. is there something in Ubuntu that does a similar job?08:11
thoreauputichope13: um08:11
hope13am i suppose to put "wget http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/root@lupine.me.uk.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -"?08:11
GuLrsanyone knows any sfv checker gui for linux?08:11
hope13in the list?08:11
thoreauputic!doesn't work08:11
ubotuPlease elaborate, your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)08:11
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sciboyShould i continue using ReiserFS?08:12
thoreauputicsciboy: why not?08:12
holycowsciboy, i stopped using it as soon as i heard about the issue08:12
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sciboyWhat issue would that be?08:12
thoreauputicholycow: enlighten me08:12
holycowsciboy, there are only maintainers for it, reiser3 is no longer supported and reiser4 is not fully in the kernel08:12
Naik0how can i see what GTK+2 Engine i use?08:12
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holycowthoreauputic, thats what my reading on it reveals08:12
adriftalso, what is the most user friendly distro in Linux? right now it seems to be Ubuntu.08:12
adriftis that correct?08:13
adriftagain, for the average joe08:13
thoreauputicholycow: hmm - Reiser himself has problems and is selling his company, yeah08:13
n2diyhope13: adrift,  yep08:13
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holycowuntil we see someone pick up reiser and run with it, its only going to be code that dies a slow death08:13
GuLrsanyone knows any sfv checker GUI for linux?08:13
adriftn2diy, OK that's what i thought08:13
bazfoodid he bail out of jail or is he still there?08:13
thoreauputicholycow: I expect some people will pick it up though ( the fs)08:13
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holycowthoreauputic, yeah :/ sad i loved reiser08:13
sciboyNot the easiest, but certainly the most friendly, there are other ones that come pre installed with everything assuming the user doesn't have a clue.08:13
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holycowthoreauputic, i would hope so, i really enjoyed it08:14
hope13am i suppose to put "wget http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/root@lupine.me.uk.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -" in the source.list for AIGLX?08:14
sciboyholycow: What do you use now?08:14
n2diyadrift, I don't know what your doing, but go for it.08:14
thoreauputicholycow: I hear ext4 is on the way though08:14
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adrifti seem to see a lot of linux users who seem to denigrate ubuntu because of all the add-ons. is there another distro that you'd all recommend?08:15
holycowi decided ext3 was the way because it has the most robust file system toolset08:15
jercosAnybody have any ideas as to why there would be 30 GB of unaccounted for space taken up in an ext3 partition?08:15
thoreauputichope13: that is a command - not something that goes in the file08:15
sciboyThe addons is a good thing, it gives you better control over customisation08:15
holycowthoreauputic, yeah, ext4 isn't a huge gain though, i would love to see someone take reiser 4 and really do a number on the fs tools08:15
hope13oh thank you lol08:15
thoreauputichope13: it is to get the gpg keys08:15
sciboyI personally don't need the kitchen sink by default.08:15
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sushi_#ubuntu-offtopic ?08:16
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sciboyOh, and if i'm going to save all i can from my current reiserfs, what's the command again?08:16
holycowjust save off /home and reinstall as whatever and restore /home08:17
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sushi_What's the command for the cute warm christmas elf?08:17
adriftsciboy, that's what i thought, but seems i've heard complaints that ubuntu's add-ons take away from the ability of total customization. i've only ever used debian based linux products (specifically ubuntu and kubuntu) I know that Redhat was all the rage not long ago. what are the major disadvantages between Debian and the others?08:17
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wantamadMerry Christmas!08:18
jaMerry Christmas wantamad.08:18
wantamadanybody know how to upgrade xorg 7.0 to xorg 7.1?08:18
thoreauputicadrift: you can customise Ubuntu asmuch as you like08:18
thoreauputicadrift: where did you hear otherwise?08:18
holycowadrift, its basically debian08:19
holycowadrift, what are 'addon's your talking about anyway?08:19
hope13=] 08:19
thoreauputicwantamad: what does 7.1 do that 7.0 doesn't do for you?08:19
holycowadrift, there are only packages, you install them then remove them, tahts it08:19
hope13i got AIGLX to work thx u08:19
adriftthoreauputic, people on Digg.com seem to be the major complainers08:19
hope13thx u thxu08:19
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sciboyadrift: I can't really make a point for point comparison, but the main advantage for Debian distro's is the fact that alot of the tools are centered around the APT tool, if i want for example to get the latest nvidia drivers i use 'module-assistant auto-install nvidia' it'll automatically apt the drivers and build a package and install it for me.08:19
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thoreauputicadrift: and how knowledgeable are the complainers, do you think?08:20
wantamad7.1 has aiglx built-in. it makes beryl run on less cpu usage08:20
adrifti'd say... probably moderately to advanced08:20
sciboyadrift: There is no such thing as an unbiased opinion though, i've been using Debian for 5 years and counting now.08:20
thoreauputicwantamad: OK - I don't know what the edgy version is to be honest08:21
PORDOdebian needs to stop using Condorcet elections, and switch to range voting.08:21
holycowadrift, on digg.com all i see is praise for ubuntu08:21
holycowadrift, which frankly i was surprsed considering you and i know EXACTLY what sorts of users they are :)08:21
sciboyadrift: I highly recommend Ubuntu, it's friendly without being crippled in any way.08:21
thoreauputicadrift: people from non debian distros often don't understand the Debian Way (tm)08:21
adriftsciboy, well as far as i can tell, according to time lines and what not... seems that most folks find Debian to be ahead of the curve only just recently. and that eventually something bigger and better will come along with one of the older or other distros08:21
PORDOI hate how ubuntu is all african themed.  I want something blue and european feeling...something very empirialist.08:21
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wantamadim still using dapper. i dont want to upgrade to edgy yet. i just want to update xorg to 7.108:22
bazfooI think red hat is somewhat favored by corporations08:22
holycowadrift, actually no08:22
PORDObazfoo well that makes sense.08:22
sciboyadrift: What difference does the past and the future make? Look at the solutions available to you now.08:22
PORDOi'd absolutely _kill_ to get my sound working with dmix in ubuntu.  alsa is a nightmare.08:22
thoreauputicwantamad: sound like a recipe for headaches to me08:22
holycowadrift, debian has been ahead of the game for a fairly long time.  pretty much ever since apt/dpkg came around08:22
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cstrippiebazfoo - based on the quarterlies just issued, I'd say Red Hat s doing *extremely* well at the corp. level.08:22
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sciboyadrift: I'll agree there has been huge improvements in usability since i started, with that said i don't see it getting any worse any time soon;08:23
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PORDOhey someone help me out here: sudo apt-cache search gstreamer | grep vorbis08:23
PORDOgstreamer0.8-vorbis - Vorbis plugin for GStreamer08:23
PORDOwhy can't i find 0.10?08:23
skrollis there a way in ubuntu to use a local drive in a vmware player virtual machine?08:23
PORDOi need vorbis support for my music.08:23
thoreauputicPORDO: are you on edgy?08:23
adriftholycow, ok, well good. that's sorta what i wanted to know.08:24
thoreauputicPORDO: have you installed vorbis-tools ?08:24
ubotuvorbis-tools: several Ogg Vorbis tools. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.1-5 (edgy), package size 92 kB, installed size 728 kB08:24
wantamadi agree thoreauputic. its just that i want beryl to run faster08:24
PORDOthoreauputic good point.08:24
hope13does beryl and aiglx takes up a lot of resources?08:24
wantamadxgl and beryl takes a lot of cpu share08:25
wantamadfor me08:25
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adriftTo tell the truth, i've always found IRC chats more complicated than they have to be, but with XChat and this channel, i feel pretty comfortable to ask questions to you all and getting straight answers that i often can't get even in online forums08:25
thoreauputicwantamad: I don't know for sure, but I think edgy probably uses a newer libc6 - so you would be looking at some serious breakage I suspect08:25
PORDOthoreauputic doesn't work.  i still need the gstreamer plugins.08:25
wantamadyea. ill try edgy out08:25
PORDOi feel trapped though adrift, because i just have this...sort of "basic' question about getting dmix working, and i can't find the answer anywhere.  i use forums, i ask in #alsa... nothing works.08:26
thoreauputicPORDO: if you have lots of room, install all the gstreamer plugins ;) sudo apt-get install gstreamer*08:26
PORDOi've spent the past two weekends on it.08:26
hope13how do i check cpu usage?08:26
hope13=] 08:26
PORDOthoreauputic they don't exist.08:26
sciboyPORDO: What about Dmix?08:26
PORDOthoreauputic so my sources.list must be messed up.08:26
thoreauputicPORDO: ah08:26
PORDOsciboy i can't get dmix working for my ICH508:26
holycowadrift, lol, actually the ops are all doing the xmas thing08:26
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holycowadrift, most of our conversation has been waaaay offtopice08:26
wantamadi use a system monitor called conky08:26
thoreauputic!easysource | PORDO08:26
ubotuPORDO: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic08:26
sciboyPORDO: You need to be more specific than that.08:26
cstrippiehope13 - Beryl was painfully slow on my old laptop (3.2ghzP4 w/Radeion 9800), but appears to have no real effect on my current lappie (2ghz Core2Duo w/ATI X1400)08:26
holycowmostly the q/a's are limited to technical answers08:26
PORDOthoreauputic http://rangevoting.org/Debian2003.html08:27
PORDOsudo apt-cache search gstreamer | grep vorbis08:27
PORDOgstreamer0.8-vorbis - Vorbis plugin for GStreamer08:27
sciboyPORDO: First step to finding a solution is knowing the cause of the problem.08:27
PORDOi don't find gstreamer0.10-vorbis08:27
thoreauputicPORDO: yes I saw that already08:27
PORDOsciboy okay, so what's the cause of my problem?08:27
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adriftPORDO, yeah, occasionally i get unanswerable questions like that too, you just have to dig a bit deeper or stay on chats like this long enough and eventually someone comes up with the solution08:27
thoreauputicPORDO: what exactly are you doing (ie there may be a diferent answer)08:27
SuperLag/lastlog is your friend08:28
cstrippiehope - the general consensus was that the Radeon 9800, not the P4 was the problem08:28
adriftholycow, i realize that lol. still, like you said before, sometimes knowing the why helps understanding the how08:28
sciboyPORDO: For the record you don't need to use grep, apt-cache search gstreamer vorbis should work fine.08:28
sciboyPORDO: Oh and apt-cache shouldn't require superuser priveleges either.08:28
thoreauputicPORDO: phrase your question as "I want to do X"08:28
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PORDOsciboy http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32464208:29
hope13cstrippie: oh thx, i'm running on celeron m intel integrated graphic card; I think it's running ok08:29
PORDOi didn't realize apt-cache didn't need superuser.08:29
PORDOthoreauputic http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32464208:29
PORDOthat's my asound.conf issue.08:29
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cstrippiehope - np - ATI drivers seem to have a somewhat bad reputation for beryl/aiglx08:29
PORDOi have my digital optical out, and my analog out working...just not with dmix, so each one can only be used by one app at a time.  extremely annoying.08:30
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thoreauputicPORDO: ah - you really need someone like crimsun - I'm no sound person08:30
cstrippieTho, again, my x1400 loves beryl.08:30
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sciboyGuys, what's the recommended way to move the contents of an entire filesystem?08:30
thoreauputicPORDO: have you tried asking on the users mailing list?08:30
hope13um i accidentally close the window lol08:30
PORDOthoreauputic yeah, he has always been the only one who could help me, except he's kind of mean and impatient, even when i try to do exactly what he says.08:30
sciboyCause i know symlinks etc. may cause problems with a normal cp.08:30
thoreauputicPORDO: my experience is the exact opposite08:30
PORDOi don't like the idea of mailing lists.08:30
PORDOi believe in RSS feeds, and forums.08:31
thoreauputicPORDO: your call08:31
sushi_if your box loves composite managers, then you must be running nVidia.08:31
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PORDOthoreauputic i'll probably have to wait until i can run into crimsun again.08:31
thoreauputicPORDO: you are losing a valuable resource08:31
PORDOto me, the entire structure of alsa's asound.conf system is archaic.08:31
PORDOit's maddening.08:31
thoreauputicie mailing lists08:31
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PORDOthoreauputic stuff getting sent to me email inbox?!08:31
adriftholycow, so are you a big Dawkins fan? I started watching the film you directed me too, and am actually restarting it now about 19 minutes in.08:31
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thoreauputicPORDO: over and out: you haven't listened to me08:32
PORDOI emailed richard dawkins once and he wrote me a nice response.08:32
PORDOthoreauputic okay, what's the link to sign up for the list?08:32
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zomghaxhow is this about ubuntu?08:32
PORDOthoreauputic i'll give it a shot.08:32
ubotumail is another medium to communicate. Ubuntu mailinglists can be found at http://lists.ubuntu.com08:32
holycowadrift, oh totally, the single person that actually has logically organized all of his beliefs08:32
adriftPORDO, really?08:32
PORDOzomghax it's Festivus.  c'mon.08:32
zomghaxbut people need help08:32
holycowadrift, the coolest thing about dawkins is you can take his entire belief system, write it down in a list and try to prove/disprove each one of them08:32
PORDOholycow I strive to be like dawkins. :)08:32
holycowadrift, in comparison i feel like a complete retard :)08:32
zomghaxisnt there an admin?08:33
zomghaxbetter watch out08:33
holycowPORDO, i have been influenced to reach the same level of understanding too08:33
zomghaxwatch ur back!08:33
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adriftholycow, really? as a christian, i of course have a few issues with some of his theories :D but i still think the concept of meme's for instance is obviously amazing08:33
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unikonthoreauputic u are a op correct08:33
holycowlol we should stop indeed08:33
hope13lol what key is the "super" key on the keyboard? >,> lol08:33
sciboyAnyone recommend Beryl?08:33
PORDOdawkins is good at disassembling the anthropological argument err.. "anthropic" principle, or whatever it's called that theists always try to use.  "the universe looks designed.."08:33
unikon who needs eye candy08:33
hope13i recommend it cuz i just did it08:33