[12:01] <PriceChild> JackBandit, still there?
[12:01] <recon> never mind, I used timidity.
[12:01] <un_operateur> fromvega, if you down one interface it can't be pinged ;) work on that basis ;)
[12:02] <_fnord> how do i get sound working on a laptop?in kubuntu the problem is that he external ampifyer in kmix is turned on and other stuff turned down or muted
[12:02] <eriksays> n2diy: true.  so firefox was crashing on you too?  i did read it looks related to the new flash plugin
[12:02] <qoq> I am trying to mount an NTFS partition from a Dapper Livecd, I made a windows director under /media and mounted it there, Now I can not cd into that mount or view contents graphically.. what am i doing wrong??
[12:02] <Nontitle> eriksays: going to gmail.com will crash it
[12:03] <eriksays> nontitle: here's a nice one.  going to gmail crashes opera, too
[12:03] <n2diy> eriksays: Fiirefox worked fine for me, then I tried to install the plugins, and Dapper crashed and burned.
[12:03] <Gosha> how do i make programs to start with X?
[12:03] <eriksays> n2diy: so the whole system crashed?
[12:03] <fromvega> un_operateur: but man... you didn't understand. 2 NICs=> 1st connected, 2nd disconnected: ping both! 1st disconnected, 2nd connected: ping none!
[12:03] <eriksays> n2diy: not just firefox
[12:03] <Gosha> .. or more like .. how do i set environmal variables?
[12:03] <Nontitle> the thing is, using the epiphany browser, which uses the Gecko engine, doesn't crash at all
[12:03] <Gosha> environmental?
[12:03] <Gosha> *
[12:04] <n2diy> eriksays: Yes, it was a bare metal recover, total re-install.
[12:04] <eriksays> Nontitle: does the epiphany browser run flash?
[12:04] <Nontitle> yes'
[12:04] <eriksays> Nontitle: or have a plugin, i mean
[12:04] <eriksays> thanks
[12:04] <Gosha> !scim
[12:04] <ubotu> Chinese, Japanese, Korean Language input. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SCIM
[12:04] <qoq> anyone get my earlier post? this should be pretty simple.. mounting an NTFS from a livecd
[12:04] <Nontitle> its a bit more bare than firefox but it's still okay
[12:04] <fromvega> un_operateur: shoudn't at least the one connected be pingable?
[12:04] <Nontitle> it has tabs and everything
[12:05] <eriksays> Nontitle, i do like firefox, especially the google notebooks plugin
[12:05] <cyphase_> what's the command to view log on/off history
[12:05] <Nontitle> i like the adblock extension
[12:05] <masterk> how do I skip a hard drive test?
[12:05] <Nontitle> masterk: you can't
[12:05] <un_operateur> fromvega, I dont really understand what you want -- at a local machine, an ifconfig lists both IP address and MAC addresses for all interfaces, at a remote machine, you know the ip address and mac addresses too -- if you ping a remote ip address, the interface with an ip address in that subnet is used
[12:06] <Nontitle> masterk: how big is your hard drive?
[12:06] <n2diy> cyphase_: your logs are in /var/log, any editor should be able to read them.
[12:06] <raxip> Hello
[12:06] <masterk> well i know my hard drive is fine
[12:06] <masterk> it is 20gb
[12:06] <Nontitle> it's just a thing that ubuntu does
[12:06] <_fnord> is best to still check
[12:06] <cyphase> n2diy: there's a command for it, i just can't remember it
[12:06] <Nontitle> i have a 20gb hd too, thats cool
[12:06] <`rich> cyphase, last -10 to view the most recent 10 logins.
[12:06] <masterk> but linux says its bad
[12:06] <eriksays> Nontitle: n2diy: thanks for the help, downloading epiphany now
[12:06] <cyphase> `rich
[12:06] <_fnord> mine only takes a couples minutes out of my life every 2 months
[12:07] <kr0n1x> hi, merry christmas...btw...someone know how to delete a tiscali account??? (email...)
[12:07] <cyphase> `rich: that's it, thanx
[12:07] <`rich> np
[12:07] <n2diy> cyphase, I don't know of any command to do it, I just start up gedit, and open them.
[12:07] <Nontitle> cool, i actally helped someone lol
[12:07] <benjk> what's the deb package name for libssl?
[12:07] <raxip> interest
[12:07] <Nontitle> sudo apt-get install libssl*
[12:07] <cyphase> n2diy: see `rich's comment
[12:07] <benjk> tried that, didn't work
[12:07] <Nontitle> oh
[12:08] <benjk> Package libssl is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:08] <Gosha> okay, then what kind of programs can i use to input japanese?
[12:08] <bodhi> Any advice on getting a MP3 Cd to play ?
[12:08] <n2diy> cyphase: or you could use system-admin-system log, roger Rich's command, never used that before.
[12:08] <bodhi> I keep getting an error "device does not exist"
[12:09] <Nontitle> libssl0.9.7 and libssl0.9.8
[12:09] <name> where is xorgconf
[12:10] <Flew>  /etx/X11/xorg.conf
[12:10] <Nontitle>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:10] <Flew> -etx +etc
[12:10] <name> nah the tool
[12:10] <benjk> hmmm
[12:10] <Gosha> gah, then. how do i use scim?
[12:10] <Gosha> >_<
[12:10] <alecjw> name:  you mean xconf? sudo aptitude install xconf
[12:10] <Nontitle> nvidia-xconfig? possibly?
[12:10] <benjk> seems I have libssl098 but
[12:10] <benjk> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[12:10] <`rich> xorgconfig is what he's after I think
[12:10] <_fnord> does anyone else see a large speed diffrence between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[12:10] <Nontitle> oh nvm
[12:10] <benjk> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lssl
[12:10] <benjk> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[12:10] <`rich> _fnord, yeah I find ubuntu much faster, personally.
[12:11] <sirk-> how do you setup apache that all traffic gets encrypted with ssl? (I already installed ssl)
[12:11] <Nontitle> _fnord: i have both installed, i see no difference
[12:11] <`rich> it's probably a case of KDE vs. Gnome on different hardware
[12:11] <dv5237> name sudo find / -name xorgconf
[12:11] <fromvega> un_operateur, let me try to explain better. First, I'm pinging the Linux machine from another machine in the network. The Linux machine has 2 NIC's. When I connect NIC1 to the LAN (and leave NIC2 disconnected from the LAN) I can ping both NIC1 and NIC2 from another machine. BUT when I connect NIC2 to the LAN (leaving NIC1 disconnected) I can't even ping NIC2! So I'm trying to understand why
[12:11] <Nontitle> well not both installed, just kde and knome
[12:11] <Nontitle> gnome*
[12:11] <Nontitle> hey someone should invent knome lol
[12:12] <name> dv5237: i don't have it installed
[12:12] <ekimus> sirk-: you need to a) either listen on only port 443 or b) listen on 80 and 443 and redirect all traffic incoming on port 80 to port 443 (you also need to generate a certificate)
[12:12] <grimboy> Hey, how do I find out what speed I can write dvds at?
[12:12] <dv5237> name: sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core
[12:12] <hey_ian> merry christmas
[12:12] <Nontitle> hey ian
[12:13] <LinAsH> grimboy, k3b can tell you
[12:13] <grimboy> LinAsH, Thanks
[12:13] <laphawg> anyone running ubuntu on a thinkpad?
[12:13] <sirk-> ekimus, ich wrde gern den traffic von 80 auf 443 redirecten
[12:13] <sirk-> wie mache ich das am besten? geht das mit apache?
[12:13] <_fnord> Nontitle: how fast is your machine?
[12:14] <Nontitle> 1Ghz
[12:14] <sirk-> ekimus, sorry for speaking german, my mistake
[12:14] <laphawg> i can't figure out how to reactivate it when it suspends or whatever, and i have to reboot
[12:14] <_fnord> `rich: whats your computer like?ram/cpu?
[12:14] <tom_> hey guys, i've got an extra hdd in my computer, it has a bunch of permissions on it from an old comp. is there a way to mount the hdd without permissions?
[12:14] <sirk-> ekimus, I meant: how do I redirect the traffic from http:80 to https:443?
[12:14] <neurotech> merry xmas ubuntu!
[12:14] <laphawg> thats ok, sirk, we're watching joyeux noel here anyway
[12:14] <Nontitle> ram/cpu/hd 512/1G/20G
[12:15] <`rich> _fnord, nothing special. 512mb, 1.8ghz
[12:15] <un_operateur> fromvega, it's like this  192.168.0.1 [machineA]  10.0.0.1 <---> 10.0.0.2 [machineB]  172.16.0.1  -- machineB will always be able to ping 192.168.0.1 as long as it's up and 10.0.0.1 is up -- but if you had this  10.0.0.1 [machineA]   192.168.0.1 <---> 10.0.0.2 [machineB]  172.16.0.1  .. machineB will never be able to ping either of machineA's addresses,
[12:15] <name> dv5237: i have that already
[12:15] <hey_ian> laphawg: probably suspend is not supported on your machine, use the hibernate pkg
[12:15] <dv5237> name: sorry then im out op options
[12:16] <un_operateur> fromvega, the reason is -- you can only ping addresses in the same IP subnet (unless there is a router routing between the two IP networks)
[12:16] <laphawg> hey_ian, thanks, i will search for info on hibernate pkg
[12:16] <Gosha> !edgy
[12:16] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[12:16] <dv5237> !feasty
[12:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about feasty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:16] <ekimus> sirk-: long story short: you need 2 virtual hosts 1 listening on port 80 and have the rewriteengine activated (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/rewriteguide.html#ToC2) then redirect all requests to the same url on port 443 the other listening on port 443 which will then serve the requests
[12:16] <hey_ian> laphawg: apt-cache search hibernate
[12:17] <laphawg> tks
[12:17] <ekimus> sirk-: i was just wondering how you know that I do speak german :)
[12:17] <sirk-> I just forgot speaking english ;D
[12:17] <name> can't anybody tell me in which pkg "xorgconfig" is?
[12:18] <sirk-> ekimus, may I query you?
[12:18] <ernz> Hi everyone.
[12:18] <kalila> I would like to talk so someone knowledgable of ubuntu's structure and mailing lists :)
[12:18] <fromvega> un_operateur: ok, but in my case machineA NICs IPs are 10.0.0.5 and 10.0.0.7, and machineB ip is 10.0.0.3. They are in the same subnet aren't they?
[12:18] <corevette> how do you install grub on windows?
[12:18] <ernz> Can someone please tell me how I can convert MP4 videos into 3GP that would work on my phone please?
[12:18] <ekimus> does anyone know what the HE and SE extension in the amd opteron serial numbers are for? like http://amdcompare.com/us-en/opteron/Default.aspx (see column 3 and 4 of the table for example)
[12:19] <Phat32> Hello everyone. I am working on a machine which lost it's nvidia graphics card recently due to dust and is now using an ATI graphics card. I was wondering if anyone could explain how to remove the old nvidia driver, install the ati driver, and fix xorg.conf...
[12:19] <ekimus> err sorry meant http://amdcompare.com/us-en/opteron/Default.aspx with the socket F option...
[12:20] <gordonjcp> Phat32: a good start would be to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:20] <Hansel> Phat32 - did you install the other driver use apt-get?
[12:21] <Hansel> if so uninstall via the same method  :)
[12:21] <Phat32> gordonjcp, I'm not confident in my ability to edit it accurately, manually
[12:21] <Symok> Would anyone here be able to help me with a few network related questions?
[12:21] <Hansel> Symok - just ask and we'll all help if we know the answer.
[12:21] <gordonjcp> Phat32: tough shit, basically
[12:21] <Phat32> Hansel, no I haven't installed the ati driver yet
[12:21] <gordonjcp> Phat32: it's easy
[12:21] <Olathe> How do I install Sun's Java 1.6 JDK (not JRE) ?
[12:21] <PriceChild> !language gordonjcp
[12:21] <Toulouse> olathe, it might be in synaptic
[12:21] <gordonjcp> Phat32: right, there's a "default" ATI driver
[12:21] <Gosha> okay, easy one, how do i create a file in the console?
[12:21] <corevette> Phat32, uninstall in synaptic the nvidia driver, then install the ati drivers and run: sudo apt-reconfigure xserver-xortg
[12:21] <ekimus> sirk-: i just queried you...
[12:21] <gordonjcp> PriceChild: go away, you prissy imbecile
[12:22] <PriceChild> !ops
[12:22] <ubotu> Help! Keybuk, mdz, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee, imbrandon, DBO, LjL, elkbuntu, Mez, tonyyarusso or gnomefreak!
[12:22] <corevette> phat32: i mean: sudo apt-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:22] <Symok> ok, first: Is there a way to make windows' "always on" hard drive shares visible in the network viewer?
[12:22] <Phat32> corevette, synaptic is a graphical tool...
[12:22] <Seveas> LjL, too slow ;)
[12:22] <FlyingSquirrel32> if I have aiglx/beryl installed on edgy, can I still use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to fix my resolution?
[12:22] <Wiseguy> hey guys has anyone used NeroLinux?
[12:22] <corevette> i know phat32
[12:22] <Hansel> Wiseguy - no... but we have all used ubuntu I imagine.
[12:22] <Toulouse> lol
[12:23] <hey_ian> Wiseguy: yeah
[12:23] <Gosha> >_<
[12:23] <kitche> Phat32: you just do sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia-glx also
[12:23] <LjL> Seveas: 'course, i'm still taken by childish full-screen platform games
[12:23] <jughead> I have used and am using ubuntu Wiseguy
[12:23] <Wiseguy> Hansel, its a burning app douche
[12:23] <Phat32> corevette, How can I use a graphical tool when I can't use X
[12:23] <corevette> go into recovery mode phat32
[12:23] <Wiseguy> does it work wel?
[12:23] <Toulouse> hey this is probably obviouse, but do yall know the name of the default gnome irc client that is pre-installed in ubuntu?
[12:23] <jughead> is it just a version of nero burning rom for linux?
[12:23] <Wiseguy> yes
[12:23] <hey_ian> Wiseguy: But in comparison to k3b it is garbage!!!
[12:23] <Hansel> Wiseguy - sounded like a custom distro for burning (I'm familiar with Nero)  No need to speak of your mothers genitals
[12:23] <PriceChild> Toulouse, gaim
[12:23] <PriceChild> Toulouse, it does a lot more than irc
[12:23] <Toulouse> gaim does it? oh man thanks
[12:24] <PriceChild> Toulouse, I prefer to use xchat-gnome though
[12:24] <Toulouse> i knew it did aim
[12:24] <Wiseguy> hey_ian, really? k3b is better?
[12:24] <bulmer> Phat32: you can always boot off of the liveCD and then modify your /etc/X11/xorg.conf on your hard disk
[12:24] <Toulouse> ok, ill try those, thanks guys
[12:24] <Phat32> kitche, What about nvidia-kernel-common ???
[12:24] <jughead> I like K3B for burning
[12:24] <idlemind> has anyone used the nero software for linux yet?
[12:24] <un_operateur> fromvega, it should always be possible to ping those addresses (even though it is not a good idea to have two interfaces have IP addresses in the same subnet) .. I cant really say unless I know how the physical setup of your network is structured
[12:24] <Seveas> LjL, I have a better game, figthing IE :/
[12:24] <Phat32> bulmer, I like that idea
[12:24] <kitche> Phat32: have to remove that as well I tend to use aptitude since it follows dependencies
[12:24] <hey_ian> Wiseguy: of course, it has the same functions like nero, but is integrated better and is open source!!!
[12:24] <PriceChild> idlemind, what's wrong with gnomebaker?
[12:24] <FlyingSquirrel32>  can I still use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg with beryl installed?
[12:24] <PriceChild> FlyingSquirrel32, yes
[12:25] <PriceChild> FlyingSquirrel32, but don't expect beryl to work afterwards
[12:25] <Hansel> heh
[12:25] <FlyingSquirrel32> PriceChild: nice.
[12:25] <LjL> Seveas: IE as in the browser?
[12:25] <fromvega> un_operateur: so one NIC might be down if it's connected but I can't ping it?
[12:25] <Seveas> yes
[12:26] <LjL> Seveas: as in who-cares-if-ubuntu-nl.org-doesn't-quite-render-on-it?
[12:26] <PriceChild> lol
[12:26] <FlyingSquirrel32> PriceChild: I set a machine up for someone and when they took it home their monitor doesn't do the resolution it was set at. how can I lower the resolution so it can start?
[12:26] <juanchito2006> Hello, I've got an strange issue while the ubuntu's startup gets blank until the logon screen
[12:26] <PriceChild> FlyingSquirrel32, you could manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to remove the other resolutions?
[12:27] <juanchito2006> It seems out of frequency
[12:27] <juanchito2006> How can I fix it
[12:27] <FlyingSquirrel32> PriceChild: never done that before, but I guess it's time to learn how. Thanks.
[12:27] <PriceChild> FlyingSquirrel32, make a backup! :)
[12:28] <bulmer> for those that are using NVidia whats the "Driver" name you have set in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf? mine is "nv" is that optimum?
[12:28] <PriceChild> !nvidia | bulmer
[12:28] <ubotu> bulmer: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:28] <toulouse> i have a question, if i try to play a .mov or .avi or some other quicktime-ish format, it just tries with totem-or kaffeine then says it couldnt play it
[12:28] <erUSUL> !nvidia | bulmer
[12:28] <un_operateur> fromvega, It probably is because MachineB is confused about where exactly which address is after you switch them around -- maybe you need to flush out the arp cache on machineB to get it working again
[12:28] <kitche> bulmer: nv is the open source version of nvidia made by X.org
[12:28] <Bas|K> hey all
[12:28] <Greevous> toulouse you should have the right codecs installed first
[12:29] <FlyingSquirrel32> PriceChild: ok, thanks.
[12:29] <toulouse> ok
[12:29] <Greevous> toulouse: or perhaps the plugins
[12:29] <un_operateur> fromvega, and/or restart the networking daemon on machineA
[12:29] <bulmer> kitche: curious as to which do you use for this NVidia?
[12:29] <toulouse> ummm i  havent installed any diff. codecs
[12:29] <toulouse> should i go to synaptic
[12:29] <Symok> I like this interface better
[12:29] <Bas|K>  http://tinyurl.com/yfqmr9
[12:29] <Greevous> toulouse: i use automatix to get some of those
[12:29] <PriceChild> !codecs | toulouse
[12:29] <ubotu> toulouse: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:29] <toulouse> ok
[12:29] <Greevous> it seemed to work for me
[12:29] <kitche> bulmer: I use nvidia driver sicne I like direct rendering and I play tremulous once in a while
[12:30] <PriceChild> !automatix | Greevous
[12:30] <ubotu> Greevous: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[12:30] <FlyingSquirrel32> PriceChild: ok, so it looks pretty simple, just remove the resolutions we don't want... anything else I should know before I should go?
[12:30] <Greevous> okay
[12:30] <PriceChild> FlyingSquirrel32, make sure you've already made a backup
[12:30] <Greevous> Automatix has always worked for me and my friend
[12:30] <FlyingSquirrel32> ok. ciao.
[12:30] <Greevous> and since it has plug-ins...
[12:30] <bulmer> kitche: that "sicne" something that came with your video card cdrom or something you download from their site to optimize your video?
[12:30] <trev_> ok, if i want to make a shared network folder on my computer for my lan can anyone tell me how to do that?
[12:30] <PriceChild> !WorksForMe | Greevous
[12:30] <ubotu> Greevous: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[12:30] <SurfnKid> Ho Ho Ho, Merry Christmas
[12:31] <Greevous> ubotu: i understand
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i understand - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:31] <kitche> bulmer: install nvidia-glx from synaptic then open upa  terminal and type sudo nvidia-glx-config enable then restart X with ctrl+alt+backspace
[12:31] <PriceChild> Greevous, ubotu is a bot
[12:31] <Greevous> whoops
[12:31] <Symok> Would anyone know why I can access network shares on other(windows) computers, but I can't ping them by their LAN IPs?
[12:31] <PriceChild> !nvidia | bulmer
[12:31] <ubotu> bulmer: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:31] <bulmer> kitche: thanks
[12:31] <ink251> how do I pass options to the ipw2200 wireless module built into the kernel? Options like you would pass with modprobe.
[12:31] <fromvega> un_operateur: from the Linux machine (machineA), when NIC1 is connected I can ping machineB, but when NIC2 is connected I can't. Something is wrong right? Is it because both NIC have ip from the same subnet or not?
[12:32] <Symok> (or connect to the FTP i'm running on one of them, 'no route to host')
[12:32] <kitche> PriceChild: bulmer just wanted to know what driver was better(as in best performance for the nvidia card)
[12:32] <PriceChild> kitche, he also asked where this was obtained from 23:30
[12:33] <ink251> how do I pass options to the ipw2200 wireless module built into the kernel? Options like you would pass with modprobe.
[12:33] <un_operateur> fromvega, thats where your problem about distinguishing IP subnets comes in -- how does the kernel know which interface to send packets out through if the destination is the same IP subnet as two of the connected interfaces??
[12:33] <xyz> is fd0 the floppy drive ?
[12:34] <ekimus> xyz: /dev/fd0? yes
[12:34] <un_operateur> fromvega, simple rule in networking : never ever assign IP addresses to multiple interfaces in the IP subnet, you will always have looping problems
[12:34] <xyz> omg i have installed grub in the wrong place
[12:34] <xyz> i didnt puy /dev/
[12:34] <ekimus> xyz: so? just reinstall it in the right place
[12:34] <xyz> how
[12:35] <fromvega> un_operateur: ok, thank you! I'll try to fix it
[12:35] <juanchito2006> !startup screen missing outof frequency
[12:35] <xyz> !grub
[12:35] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:35] <fatlip> malikeye: hey you there?
[12:35] <juanchito2006> !startup
[12:35] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[12:35] <un_operateur> fromvega, not only will that confuse MachineA(the sender) it will also confuse MachineB(the reciever) because machineB will say "hang, on, i got one packet from one MAC address, another from another MAC address, but they are in the same subnet, which MAC address do i reply to??)
[12:36] <trev_> should you have hdparm running as a service?
[12:36] <Hansel> yes
[12:36] <un_operateur> trev_, hdparm as a service??
[12:37] <ajj> i'm trying to instll ubuntu, is there anyway i can install it using a cd drive emulator like alcohol, or do i have to burn it to a disc and boot it from there?
[12:37] <trev_> yeah, its in the service settings under system/administration
[12:37] <ajj> :(
[12:37] <_fnord> whats that comand, lspcmica?
[12:37] <name> dammit is there any good X config tool/
[12:37] <tanubis_> Just got an Ipod Nano, itunes doesn't run in linux.  Apparently, you can do some interesting things with it if you put linux on it... anyone now how to go about doing cool things with it?
[12:37] <un_operateur> whatis hdparm : hdparm (8)           - get/set hard disk parameters
[12:37] <name> tanubis_: amarok
[12:37] <Hansel> name - vi makes a good config tool for the config file  :)
[12:37] <name> oh wait
[12:37] <name> Hansel: na
[12:37] <name> Hansel: i want some tool
[12:37] <un_operateur> tanubis, check out the ipodlinux website
[12:37] <xyz>  1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[12:37] <xyz> unionfs                1165328    677012    488316  59% /
[12:37] <name> dual view support
[12:37] <xyz> this doesnt seem rite
[12:38] <fromvega> un_operateur, but shoudn't it reply to the ip and mac that it received the ping request from?
[12:38] <name> with one CRT and one TFT
[12:38] <fromvega> un_operateur, 2 ip, 2 mac. 2 different places. Shoudn't be a problem for machineB. Am I right?
[12:38] <juanchito2006> Ubotu is a bot!!! I can't believe it :-o
[12:38] <juanchito2006> Ubotu is a bot!!! I can't believe it :-O
[12:38] <kitche> tanubis_: ipodlinux does not work on the newer nanos
[12:39] <xyz> juanchito2006:i know
[12:39] <un_operateur> fromvega, well, yes, thats how it works -- but since MachineA cant make up it's mind as to which interface to send out packets to the same subnet, it's likely it will use one port one time, another port another and that will confuse it's recipients
[12:39] <xyz> :)
[12:39] <fromvega> un_operateur, for machineB it should act like 2 different machines...
[12:39] <fromvega> hum
[12:39] <fromvega> now I understand
[12:39] <un_operateur> fromvega, right, ok, thats one good way of seeing it
[12:40] <xyz> i cant sort this grub thing out please help
[12:40] <PriceChild> xyz what is wrong?
[12:40] <toulouse> so once i nstall all of those packages from the multimedia site on ubuntu.help my video playing should work right?
[12:40] <xyz> i installed it in (fd0) instead of /dev/fd0
[12:40] <PriceChild> toulouse, should do :)
[12:40] <toulouse> thanks :))))))
[12:41] <fromvega> un_operateur, linux kernel must process the ping not the NIC itself (right?), so in fact it problably is receiving the packets from machineB but responds to the wrong NIC.
[12:41] <xyz> PriceChild:i still havent loged off
[12:41] <corevette> how do you install grub on windows drive?
[12:41] <xyz> using the live cd
[12:41] <kitche> xyz: well to make a grub rescue disk it's a bit different then how you install it to a hard drive
[12:41] <un_operateur> fromvega, if you ever work on cisco/juniper/nortel routers -- you'll see they prohibit you from assigning IP address in the same subnet to different interfaces -- simply because it breaks a lot of things (as you see) and it's bad design -- also, the whole point of a router is to connect different networks -- not connect the same network (thats a job of a switch)
[12:41] <Apollo> anyone recommend a streaming video capture app especially for youtube.com?
[12:41] <juanchito2006> !startup
[12:41] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[12:41] <xyz> kitche:will i have to log off
[12:42] <PriceChild> Apollo, I don't think you're legally allowed to take video off of the youtube site... just stream it on demand
[12:42] <nn> un_operateur: i assign different IPs from the same subnet to several cards in a machine on my terminal server
[12:42] <kitche> xyz: yes but how you installed grub to the floppy isn't really the correct way not sure if it will work
[12:42] <nn> un_operateur: but it's a rare case
[12:42] <fromvega> un_operateur: ;) thank you very much!
[12:42] <xyz> yeh i have no grub ,that the problem
[12:43] <xyz> and now i dont know how linux installed
[12:43] <_fnord> how do i upgrade from 5.10
[12:43] <xyz> ohh man
[12:43] <un_operateur> fromvega, the kernel reponds to IP addresses by enclosing frames destined to MAC addresses from those within it's arp cache
[12:43] <un_operateur> nn, are you using a form of load balancing on the server?
[12:43] <_fnord> !upgrade
[12:43] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:44] <un_operateur> nn, IP load balancing i.e.?
[12:44] <nn> un_operateur: sorta, i refuse clients
[12:44] <freenet> I installed a package that doesn't let me uninstall it because of an error in postrm. How do I clean this up and ignore the postrm error?
[12:44] <Apollo> pricechild: i have uploaded video to the site and I can't recover the video? It is a storage faculty to myself! Home video?
[12:44] <nn> un_operateur: if more than X clients are connected to the IP, i refuse them, and they try the next "server"
[12:44] <nn> un_operateur: kinda like how /etc/resolv.conf works
[12:45] <un_operateur> nn, so it is load balancing basically
[12:45] <orangey> hey all..
[12:45] <nn> un_operateur: in a ghetto sense, yea
[12:45] <PriceChild> !hi | orangey
[12:45] <ubotu> orangey: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[12:45] <orangey> when running a vncserver, it fails, and tells me I need a fixed font
[12:45] <orangey> however, what package does that come from?
[12:46] <un_operateur> nn, does the server connect up to a switch/router that does ip load balancing?
[12:46] <orangey> I think I have all the necessary ones - xfree-font, etc.
[12:46] <Hansel> x11-fonts prolly
[12:46] <nn> un_operateur: no
[12:46] <xyz> now it wont even mount a floppy drive
[12:46] <nn> un_operateur: just several ports on a gigabit switch
[12:46] <un_operateur> nn, i'm amazed you havent come across any troubles as of yet ..
[12:46] <nn> un_operateur: why?
[12:47] <orangey> Hansel: there is no such package I can find.
[12:47] <nn> un_operateur: only issue i had was i had to set up dhcpd to only broadcast on one interface,because it was confusing itself
[12:48] <toulouse> arrgh ok, so i installed the various media packages, but .... it wont play wmv files because it needs a decoder, any tips?
[12:49] <PriceChild> !w32codecs | toulouse
[12:49] <ubotu> toulouse: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:49] <un_operateur> nn, like i was saying -- when the server replies to clients -- how does it's kernel know which interface to use to send frames out of? if for example clients from 192.168.0.0/255 connect upto it .. and half connect upto one interface and half to another, the server has a 50% chance of choosing either with no definitive path
[12:49] <PriceChild> toulouse, you need "w32codecs"... it is outlined on the wiki how to get it
[12:49] <toulouse> o :!
[12:49] <toulouse> thanks
[12:49] <jughead> i'm getting w32codecs right now; it's not very difficult
[12:50] <nn> un_operateur: Ohh, i think i misunderstood what you meant previously
[12:50] <fromvega> un_operateur, if the kernel knows from which MAC the packet was received, shoudn't it send the response from the same MAC?
[12:50] <nn> arp caching
[12:51] <Twiztr> Question;
[12:51] <un_operateur> nn, so, not only does that disrupt intermediate routers' and switches' arp tables because they are made up on the fly -- if one time,  one MAC address is used and another another is used, it puts a load on those devices
[12:51] <nn> un_operateur: hm
[12:52] <kitche> !ask|Twiztr
[12:52] <ubotu> Twiztr: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:52] <xyz> will this fix my grub problems
[12:52] <xyz> http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Restore_Grub
[12:52] <fromvega> how do I make changes in the ip_forward file permanent? I do not want to type "sudo sh -c "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" every reboot.
[12:53] <Cantankerous> I have seen IP conversations where a client was talking to interface A of the server but the server always replied from interface B (same IP address). This confused the switches because interface A was never a source MAC so every packet to the server was flooded as a multicast.
[12:53] <un_operateur> fromvega, yes, thats how its supposed to work  -- but how does the recepient know which MAC address is the right one, if there are many??
[12:53] <Twiztr> I am running MEPIS liveCD and trying to install it. I partitioned HDB [b1 is a Windows drive b2 is the /root b3 is the swap, and b4 is /home] 
[12:53] <kitche> Twiztr: ask in #mepis
[12:54] <Twiztr> so it installed, and then rebooted  (not from cd) it never asked me for a bootloader setting, so when the box rebooted, it did so into Windows
[12:54] <Twiztr> And Windows System is in HDA
[12:54] <kitche> Twiztr: might want to ask it in #mepis if it deals with mepis
[12:54] <un_operateur> Cantankerous, yes, there's a high chance of a broadcast storm happening especially in a cascaded switched network
[12:55] <DIL> can an .exe program be installed on a linux system
[12:56] <toulouse> dil, use wine
[12:56] <un_operateur> DIL, it can be run from under wine
[12:56] <xyz> is there a devicew called fd0 in ubuntu
[12:56] <fromvega> un_operateur: I'm still confused about this MAC issue. The machine have 2 MACs, the packet is received from one MAC, the kernel send the response from that MAC. What's the confusing issue?
[12:56] <DIL> thanks!
[12:56] <Cantankerous> floppy disk 0
[12:57] <xyz> the ehat is /dev/fd0
[12:57] <xyz> then what is /dev/fd0
[12:57] <un_operateur> fromvega, if the sender machine has two MAC addresses and there's a 50% chance that either will be used in communications to one single host -- how does the client know which MAC address to use in reponses back to the sender???
[12:57] <idlemind> xyz: fd0 is just that: /dev/fd0
[12:57] <kitche> xyz: floppy disk 0 is what /dev/fd0
[12:58] <xyz> them my grub did work
[12:59] <xyz> thats if fd0 is /dev/fd0
[12:59] <Cantankerous> un_operator: depends which MAC answered the ARP request
[12:59] <xyz> ok im rebooting now
[12:59] <xyz> wish me luck
[12:59] <Phat32> How can I view the channel history
[12:59] <Phat32> I can
[12:59] <Phat32> I can't scroll up high enough*
[01:00] <un_operateur> fromvega, it's like this -- you send me letters all the time from your addresses i.e. 10, foobar lane  and 20, bazquux road -- one time you use one address another time another -- which one should i trust is your actual one? ok, i might keep a track and reply to the exact one used in the original letter but why put me through the bother? it's an unnecessary load on my part when ideally you could just use one address al
[01:00] <un_operateur> l the time
[01:00] <Hansel> pgup?  if it doesn't go high enough you need to set a larger history setting
[01:00] <willskills> Phat32, what client do you use? Xchat only keeps 300 lines as a default.......
[01:00] <Phat32> xchat
[01:00] <willskills> you can change it in Settings :)
[01:01] <Phat32> someone had typed out a command for generating a new xorg.conf file I think
[01:01] <Phat32> or maybe it was like dpkg reconfigure ?
[01:01] <Phat32> Hello everyone. I am working on a machine which lost it's nvidia graphics card recently due to dust and is now using an ATI graphics card. I was wondering if anyone could explain how to remove the old nvidia driver, install the ati driver, and fix xorg.conf...
[01:02] <Phat32> I tried using the xorg.conf from the live cd and it didn't work
[01:02] <un_operateur> Cantankerous, yes, but if the source MAC address is constantly being changed for a source IP address, it puts an unecessary load on the intermediate switch and recepient host - because they have to keep changing and updating the arp table for every different frame
[01:02] <leprasmurf> hello all
[01:02] <Cantankerous> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:02] <leprasmurf> trying to install the rt2500 drivers for my wireless card.  Got the drivers, but when I try 'make' in the directory, I get the error make[1] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop.
[01:02] <kitche> Phat32: you remove nvidia-glx by sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia-glx I would just use the open source ati driver until you get X working again
[01:03] <eimajenthat> I just installed banshee and banshee-daap, but I get an error that the Music Sharing plugin could not be initialized.  Any suggestions?
[01:04] <fromvega> un_operateur: but and what about INSIDE the machine that have 2 NICs. If it receives a ping request from one NIC, does it replies using the same NIC? I mean, NIC2 received a ping request, the reponse shouldn't be sent from it? Or things do not work this way?
[01:04] <Cantankerous> I don't think there is normally any checking of the source MAC address when receiving an IP packet. ARP refresh is optional IIRC
[01:05] <un_operateur> fromvega, it's not so much a problem if it's just two hosts -- but if there are many hosts -- then it becomes a problem -- the sender with two mac addresses is not guaranteed to recieve all frames via one interface
[01:05] <xyz> its worked
[01:05] <brian|geeknik> Good evening.
[01:05] <xyz> ;)
[01:05] <bruenig> !hi | brian|geeknik
[01:05] <ubotu> brian|geeknik: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[01:05] <Phat32> thankyou very much guys
[01:05] <xyz> evening
[01:05] <Phat32> I am using X again
[01:06] <Phat32> I'll take it from here
[01:06] <bruenig> !thanks | Phat32
[01:06] <ubotu> Phat32: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[01:06] <un_operateur> Cantankerous, ohh, the MAC addresses are always checked -- because thats how switches know the topology of a network, the states of links and build Spanning Trees with
[01:07] <brian|geeknik> I just downloaded the Ubuntu 6.10 ISO for AMD64 systems. It's been years, and I mean YEARs since I ran linux( think slackware with kernel 1.2.13). ;) Anyways, it gave me some error about my AGP Aperture and then some weird authentication error and then told me to remove the CD from my drive and hit enter after closing the tray, and then I had to push the reset button.
[01:08] <Hansel> brian - try the alternate cd that has a textmode installer...
[01:09] <Cantankerous> un_operator - yes, but that has no effect on ARP. Switches just learn where each MAC is. If a server has multiple MACS with the same IP, you could in theory send to any one although in practice you would only send to the MAC in teh current ARP table. IP responses could come from any interface and therefore have any of tose MAC addresses. This does not affect the packet meanings at IP level
[01:09] <brian|geeknik> Hansel: I just wanted to try out the OS w/o installing actually. =)
[01:09] <Hansel> oh.. :(
[01:09] <Trynemjoel> Is there a graphic WLAN-connection program for GNOME desktop? haven't managed to find one
[01:10] <brian|geeknik> I'm not 100% ready to make the switch until I get a secondary computer(I stream audio to a server via Helix Producer Plus(from RealMedia)) and I don't think there is an alternative for Linux. ;)
[01:10] <bruenig> !network-manager-gnome
[01:10] <ubotu> network-manager-gnome: network management framework (GNOME frontend). In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.3-2ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 245 kB, installed size 1608 kB
[01:10] <digin4> why isn't there xchat for ubuntu? i can only find xchat-gnome, which i don't like at all :(
[01:10] <bruenig> !info xchat
[01:10] <ubotu> xchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 275 kB, installed size 760 kB
[01:10] <xyz> do you install beryl first or the drivers ?
[01:10] <bruenig> digin4, there is, you need to enable universe to install it
[01:10] <frogger0> !sources
[01:10] <xyz> and dose it make a diffrence
[01:10] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[01:11] <digin4> bruenig: how do i enable that in edgy?
[01:11] <bruenig> digin4, have you ever messed with your /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:11] <digin4> bruenig: no sir!
[01:11] <bingnet922> new question: I compiled and installed ffmpeg from svn because I couldn't get the repo version to encode mp3 when transcoding video. It still doesn't work though I've enabled mp3/lame. What am I missing?
[01:12] <bingnet922> I'm using 6.10
[01:12] <bruenig> digin4, ok, then run, the following, it will enable all the extra repositories, update, then install xchat, sudo sed -e 's/# deb/deb/g' -e 's/edgy universe/edgy universe multiverse/g' -e 's/edgy-security universe/edgy-security universe multiverse/g' -i.backup /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xchat
[01:12] <rysiek|pl> anybody here uses/knows unionfs?
[01:12] <kitche> bingnet922: did you install lame?
[01:12] <fromvega> un_operateur: but in my case, the linux machine have 2 NICs but only one is connected, and I can't ping it. If the kernel can send the reponse from either NICs I understand the problem, but if kernel sends the response from the same NIC that have received it I do not understand why it's not pingable:\
[01:12] <rysiek|pl> if I use unionfs, do I need to have the branched dirs mounted somewhere already?
[01:12] <bruenig> digin4, copy everything after the comma, all on one line
[01:12] <digin4> bruenig: i thank thee sire!
[01:12] <bruenig> digin4, if you want to tray icon, do sudo apt-get install xchat-systray after all of that runs through
[01:12] <bruenig> s/to/the*
[01:13] <digin4> ok thanks :):)
[01:13] <Cantankerous> fromvega: The un-connected NIC should detect lack of cable and go inactive, even if it _does_ have the same IP address.
[01:14] <cyphase> hmm, Gajim 0.11 looks pretty good
[01:14] <cyphase> nice interface
[01:14] <Trynemjoel> Where do i find the window for network-manager-gnome ? The network status window in my systray wont see my eth1 but its visible in "iwconfig" in the terminal
[01:14] <un_operateur> fromvega, just dont assign IP addresses in the same IP subnet to multiple interfaces on the same machine -- keep it simple
[01:14] <frogger0> how can i solve this problem -->  gpgv: keyblock resource `/home/kneipe/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': general error
[01:14] <toulouse> hey guys, i use beep media player for my internet radio and streamtuner to find my stations, but sometime the beepmediaplayer hiccups and quits playing, any suggestions?
[01:14] <Stormx2> Trynemjoel: Tried "killall gnome-panel" ?
[01:14] <Cantankerous> fromvga: ifconfig should tell you what IP addresses you have, and ective interfaces should include the word RUNNING
[01:15] <fromvega> Cantankerous: the NICs do not have the same IP dude
[01:15] <fromvega> un_operateur: ok... just want to understand hehehe
[01:15] <toulouse> and it doesnt support all the streams streamtuner  has to offer
[01:15] <Stormx2> toulouse: BMP is old. It's been forked twice. If you like killing kittens, I suggest you get BMPx. If you are not evil, go with Audacious
[01:15] <un_operateur> fromvega, I could explain better if i had a whiteboard -- its hard using words :)
[01:15] <bingnet922> kitche: Hi, I did install lame. I checked this with $apt-get install lame which responded "0 newly installed"
[01:15] <Stormx2> toulouse: audacious-media-player.org
[01:15] <toulouse> audacious, ok ima look for it, does it need any seperate packages?
[01:16] <Stormx2> toulouse: Don't think so...
[01:16] <toulouse> thanks man
[01:16] <frogger0> how can i solve this problem -->  gpgv: keyblock resource `/home/kneipe/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': general error
[01:16] <Stormx2> toulouse: if it does you can get em from the repos ;)
[01:16] <bruenig> frogger0, general error, hmm that is pretty specific
[01:16] <bruenig> !repeat | frogger0
[01:16] <ubotu> frogger0: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[01:16] <fromvega> Cantankerous: both NICs are RUNNING and have different IPs...
[01:16] <Stormx2> toulouse: There is an ubuntu maintainer for it I think...
[01:16] <Trynemjoel> That just killed all my systray icons Stormx2, no status/management window for my WLAN
[01:16] <frogger0> thx
[01:16] <toulouse> ok
[01:16] <Stormx2> Trynemjoel: Eek, sorry.
[01:17] <toulouse> thanks dude
[01:17] <xyz> how do i install opera in the terminal
[01:18] <Trynemjoel> well, can i config my Wifi-card from the terminal as a temp solution?
[01:18] <bruenig> xyz, you have to add repos, or I can find the deb and give you a wget + dpkg command that will do it if you wish
[01:18] <un_operateur> xyz, you need to have the canonical commercial or opera repositories added to your sources.list
[01:18] <bruenig> xyz, what version of ubuntu are you using
[01:19] <xyz> 6.10
[01:19] <xyz> edgy eft
[01:19] <xyz> E: Couldn't find package opera
[01:19] <xyz> :-/
[01:19] <Naabo> heya all..anyone can tell me how to setup ftp so i can delete all in www root by ftp?
[01:19] <xyz>  bruenig:please do
[01:20] <Hansel> Naabo - which ftpd are you using?
[01:20] <Naabo> proftpd
[01:20] <Hansel> lookup the defaultroot  option
[01:20] <Cantankerous> fromvga: maybe I shouldn't have jumped in the middle of a conversation. Anyway, to make IP forwarding permanent, there's an entry in /etc/network/options - add a line "#ip_forward=yes
[01:20] <Hansel> set it for one of your users that you want to be able to edit www pages.
[01:20] <Cantankerous> fromvga: dammit - don't put the hash in front
[01:21] <fromvega> un_operateur: ok, no problem. thank you very much! Merry Xmas! Bye!
[01:21] <fromvega> Cantankerous: tks dude! Merry Xmas bye!
[01:21] <fromvega> bye!
[01:21] <xyz>  bruenig:im waiting in vain
[01:22] <xyz> for your repos
[01:22] <bruenig> xyz, wget  ftp://get.opera.com/pub/opera/linux/910/final/en/i386/shared/opera_9.10-20061214.6-shared-qt_en_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i opera_9.10-20061214.6-shared-qt_en_i386.deb
[01:22] <Naabo> well i can see owner..but as i ry to delite some dir's in there it says permission denied..
[01:22] <bruenig> xyz, they had it setup with mirrors, so I had to navigate the ftp index until I could find an exact link
[01:22] <Hansel> Naabo - you also need to chmod the directory so the user can actually make changes let alone get chrooted to it
[01:23] <SmashCat> Hello, anyone know of a site where I can find a list of available apt packages?
[01:23] <Naabo> chmod the dir 777?
[01:23] <kitche> SmashCat: packages.ubuntu.com
[01:23] <variant> Naabo: no, 775 at most
[01:24] <derek_> Hi
[01:24] <trev_> ok, i was just trying to share a folder using the nautilus GUI and samba, how do i acess the folder that is on ubuntu with windows XP
[01:24] <Cantankerous> fromvga: bye - Merry Christmas
[01:24] <SmashCat> kitche: Thanks! I wonder if apt will have a search option one day (like yum)!
[01:24] <derek_> Where can I tell my views if I like some feature in Ubuntu?
[01:24] <kitche> SmashCat: umm apt-cache
[01:24] <kitche> SmashCat: it had it for a while
[01:25] <Trynemjoel> Is there a command to list LAN-connections? trying to find the IP to my Access point :)
[01:25] <Hansel> derek_ - you can setup a video camera and post it on youtube  hehe.
[01:26] <derek_> :)
[01:26] <SmashCat> kitche: So apt-cache is a search tool? Weird name! ;-)
[01:26] <derek_> SmashCat, apt-cache is a cache of the list of programs available
[01:27] <derek_> SmashCat, you search like this: apt-cache search xchat
[01:27] <Naabo> hmmm now i chmod the www dir 755--ftp and see owner same as ftp acc...still can't add dirs/delete files..
[01:27] <Trynemjoel> Is there a command to list LAN-connections? trying to find the IP to my Access point :)
[01:28] <xyz> didnt work
[01:28] <kitche> xyz: ok now here is the fun part
[01:28] <_fnord> im trying to get the sound to work on my laptop
[01:29] <neuro_> scuze me a sec
[01:29] <neuro_> !language neuro_
[01:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about language neuro_ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:29] <neuro_> !language
[01:29] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:30] <SmashCat> derek_: Thanks, I usually only use Fedora/RH and Gentoo, so I'm not familiar with apt. I'm just setting up a desktop for someone and they wanted Ubuntu. The installer didn't allow RAID setup and hasn't picked up the hardware properly (only allowing 1024x768 on a 1920x1200 display ;-) I don't mind editing xorg.conf, but it's not very user friendly for a newbie!
[01:30] <xyz> hot do i reboot in the terminal
[01:30] <toulouse> hey guys, is xmms useful? im looking for a pain-free internet radio player
[01:31] <Hansel> toulouse - yes.  It's "useful"
[01:31] <needhelp> I try to run a Windows-game through wine. But an Windows-error pops up saying "Allication Error: An integer divide by zero was encountered at address ...... Click on OK to terminate the application"
[01:31] <hansaki> anyone know what runs on TCP port DPT=64789 /
[01:31] <needhelp> How can I fix that error?
[01:31] <Hansel> hansaki - probably a backdoor
[01:31] <hansaki> anyone know what runs on TCP port DPT=64789  ? and anything about secuirity / hacking on this port?  i am getting lost of hits
[01:31] <kitche> xyz: http://pastebin.ca/291311 is how to install grub to a floppy
[01:31] <Hansel> needhelp - which application?  Have you read the winehq webpage for info on that app and particular error?
[01:31] <toulouse> well, do you think it's going to be stable on internet radio? b/c i tried beep media player and it works--some of the time
[01:32] <toulouse> i dont know why though
[01:32] <hansaki> Hansel: why do you say that
[01:32] <xyz> kitche:i dont it ,thani you
[01:32] <Hansel> hansaki - that is a very high port number
[01:33] <Hansel> hansaki - most legitimate services run under 1000  :)
[01:33] <xyz> any one have a clue how to reboot in the terminal
[01:33] <kitche> xyz: rescue mode
[01:33] <ubuntu_> Hi
[01:33] <DIL> hey all!  am trying to have system see my HP 5590 Scanner-any assist will be graet am A NEWB to Linux
[01:33] <idlemind> dil: have you searched google to make sure that it's compatible w/linux?
[01:33] <Hansel> DIL have you googled for HP 5590 Scanner driver insmod
[01:34] <SmashCat> xyz: tried typing "reboot"?
[01:34] <hansaki> thanks
[01:34] <DIL> no will now do
[01:34] <ubuntu_> how show DVD with ubuntu ??? help me please
[01:34] <_fnord> xyz: halt?
[01:34] <insomninja> DIL, what happens if you start the scanning program (sane)?
[01:34] <_fnord> !dvd |ubuntu
[01:34] <ubotu> ubuntu: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[01:34] <SmashCat> xyz: or "init 0" (works with RH)
[01:34] <ubuntu_> thanks
[01:35] <_fnord> ubuntu_: are you useing a livecd?
[01:35] <xyz> "reboot" works but i have to be root ,im ok with that
[01:35] <Naabo> Hansel--got any more sugesions for me??ftp with the same suer as the ower in www root..still getting permission denied:-/
[01:36] <SmashCat> Right time to hack xorg.conf ;-) It's the 21st century, there should really be a gui tool for this!
[01:36] <_fnord> how do i get the sound to work on a laptop?
[01:36] <ubuntu_> i wish you a mary christmas !
[01:36] <ubuntu_> goddnight
[01:36] <bruenig> SmashCat, write one
[01:36] <derek_> Can I find out the version of a program available in the repository before apt-get'ing it?
[01:36] <leprasmurf> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop.
[01:36] <Hansel> SmashCat - why?  If it ain't broke don't fix it.  There are many people that live in CLI's and don't ever even load up a GUI...
[01:36] <kitche> SmashCat: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is the only good tool or sudo xorgconfig or X -configure
[01:36] <Hansel> Naabo - you can see the files but not write/remove, correct?
[01:36] <derek_> _fnord, how old is your laptop, if I may ask?
[01:37] <_fnord> SmashCat: there is one i think
[01:37] <SmashCat> bruenig: This is probably the onyl time I'll use Ubuntu, so I don't think I'll be writing a tool for it for one installation ;-)
[01:37] <Naabo> yes
[01:37] <leprasmurf> Any help?  I'm compiling the rt2500 driver and getting: make[1] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop.
[01:37] <_fnord> boute a year or so
[01:37] <_fnord> intell celeronM 1.5 ghz 250 ram
[01:37] <bruenig> SmashCat, but think of the good you will do writing such an invaluable piece of software for the community
[01:37] <Pixy> Anyone know how to get an Ubuntu verion of xchat that's not the gnome version?
[01:37] <Hansel> Naabo - have you looked at the sample configs on proftpd.org? http://www.proftpd.org/docs/configs/virtual.conf
[01:37] <_fnord> it was bottom of the line when i got it
[01:37] <root_> how do find out a password on a .rar file
[01:37] <bingnet922> kitche: Hi, I did install lame. I checked this with $apt-get install lame which responded "0 newly installed"
[01:38] <SmashCat> bruenig: There's one in Fedora that works well, maybe that could be repackaged?
[01:38] <kitche> bingnet922: ok then it should be working correctly
[01:38] <LameBMX> root_,  you dont dl warez
[01:38] <kitche> bingnet922: it might be due to how you are trying to encode it and such
[01:38] <root_> lameBMX its not a warez
[01:39] <LameBMX> then why dont you have the pass?
[01:39] <Hansel> root_ password protection is put in place for a reason.  If you set the pass but forgot it then you can google for the answer.  Sounds a bit sketchy though and we dont help with piracy...
[01:39] <Naabo> Hansel--i'm chking now..thx..getting back as soon as any progress beeing made
[01:39] <baastrup> is there a easy way to install the 2.6.18 kernel
[01:40] <Hansel> baastrup - apt-get if you dont have any customizations
[01:40] <cafuego_> baastrup: why do you want to install an old kernel?
[01:40] <Hansel> if you want to compile your own the process is fairly painless but there are some key steps you must follow...
[01:40] <BiNz> Merry Christmas all!
[01:40] <root_> lameBMX as i am a techie for a college and a student it crackin are system and there is a rar file which is passworded which is titled Crackin
[01:40] <Pixy> I'm having a problem with GCC.
[01:40] <Pixy> Don't know if this is common.
[01:41] <derek_> Can I find out the version of a program available in the repository before apt-get'ing it?
[01:41] <Pixy> But hanyways:
[01:41] <Hansel> derek_ apt-cache lets you search
[01:41] <neuro_> Hansel: ping
[01:41] <Pixy> I get this when doing ./configure
[01:41] <Pixy> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[01:41] <cafuego_> derek_: apt-cache show <package> and/or apt-cache policy <package>
[01:41] <Hansel> neuro_: pong
[01:41] <baastrup> cafuego_: this is the version  2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP
[01:41] <kitche> Pixy: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:41] <Pixy> Kay.
[01:41] <cafuego_> Pixy: you don't have a proper install, get 'build-essential'
[01:41] <neuro_> Hansel: been pm'ing you, no response?
[01:41] <Hansel> I am ignoring all pms.
[01:41] <Hansel> just ask in the channel
[01:41] <neuro_> nice
[01:41] <LameBMX> so ur responsible for the system then ... and its a university
[01:42] <cafuego_> baastrup: Yes, prebuilt with backported fixes. 2.6.18 is not maintained by Ubuntu.
[01:42] <Rav|strangler> what does ./ do again?
[01:42] <LameBMX> just remote admin the box and record
[01:42] <Hansel> ./ runs a binary file...
[01:42] <neuro_> Hansel: just wanted to ask a question about whatever it was you said to gordonjcp
[01:42] <Rav|strangler> and how can I execute a file with out doing it.
[01:42] <Hansel> something outside of /bin /usr/bin etc
[01:42] <Pixy> Also, how would you make the keyboard controls more Mac like?
[01:42] <root_> lameBMX: no just a little school network
[01:42] <kitche> Rav|strangler: use sh instead of ./
[01:42] <Pixy> As in Apple key == Ctrl
[01:42] <Hansel> neuro_ - I didn't say anything to him but if you want to ask me about something I typed feel free...
[01:42] <Hansel> :)
[01:42] <LameBMX> same concept
[01:42] <neuro_> Hansel: you didn't pm him?
[01:42] <LameBMX> size dont really matter
[01:42] <baastrup> cafuego_: hmm oki, I need to try a newer kernel,  because im testing some problems with the nvidia kernel on my laptop
[01:42] <Rav|strangler> kitche, can I do it without doing sh bsflite?
[01:43] <root_> true
[01:43] <bingnet922> kitche: Here's my session showing the command and output. Notice the 'configure:' is empty instead of --enable-lame, but when I run .configure it shows lame enabled. I am sure I'm using the same executable because I removed the ffmpeg package, the only resident copy is from svn.
[01:43] <Hansel> he pm'd me telling me about his life and work...
[01:43] <Hansel> I ignored him  :)
[01:43] <derek_> Thanks
[01:43] <bingnet922> kitche: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38723/
[01:43] <Rav|strangler> kitche,  like chmod something
[01:43] <neuro_> Hansel: :)
[01:43] <cafuego_> baastrup: Wouldn't it be better to try the newer driver on a working kernel?
[01:43] <neuro_> Hansel: thanks dude, that was all i was after
[01:43] <LameBMX> and if someone is "crackin" out of a rar ... and you have done ur job right .. u should just be sitting back lolz'n
[01:43] <SmashCat> Hmm that's wierd, installing the Nvidia drivers installs a new Linux kernel ;-)
[01:43] <kitche> Rav|strangler: chmod +x but you still need to do either ./ or sh to make it run
[01:44] <Rav|strangler> kitche, could I just double click the shortcut after I make it executable
[01:44] <cafuego_> baastrup: incidentally, the latest stable is 2.6.19.1
[01:44] <kitche> bingnet922: you might be doing it right but when you use the program that uses ffmpeg you might be using wrong syntax
[01:44] <Olathe_> How do I mount a samba share so that the owner of the files on it appears to be something other than root ?
[01:44] <LameBMX> no sweat either way ... if he succeeds talk n find out what he did .. if he dont well .. your system just got proven
[01:44] <kitche> Rav|strangler: yes
[01:44] <baastrup> cafuego_: hmm yeah, but its the last thing i need to try, I got the hardware changed, tryed the newest nvidia driver
[01:44] <cafuego_> Olathe_: the uid and gid options as per man page.
[01:44] <Pixy> Best key remapping program?
[01:44] <bingnet922> kitche: good point, but in this case I'm using ffmpeg directly to eliminate that possibility
[01:44] <root_> lameBMX: i just want to see what he is up to, theres been no problems yet. but as are network user aggrement states "no hacking or cracking" stupid i know
[01:44] <trev_> when i first used the shared folders GUI i only added samba as a service, is there a way to automatically add nfs as well?
[01:45] <bingnet922> kitche: you can see the command and output here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38723/
[01:45] <baastrup> cafuego_: nv drivers works find though, so its only the nvidia official drivers
[01:45] <Olathe_> cafuego_: Thanks :)
[01:45] <leprasmurf> ok, I'm trying to remove gaim from an edubuntu install, and it's claiming that it's going to uninstall the desktop...anyone know why?
[01:45] <SmashCat> Dammit! Just changed my clock and now I can't use SUDO anymore as the "timestamp's too far in the future"... great...
[01:45] <cafuego_> Olathe_: you may also wan to use fmask and dmask
[01:45] <Hansel> lol SmashCat.  :(
[01:45] <omglol> i need help setting up my linux pc as a wireless router. when i try to use firestarter it says device wlan0 is not ready. but network settings shows wlan0 is active. how can i fix that?
[01:45] <kitche> bingnet922: you encoding a video?
[01:45] <_fnord> so now help with the laptop/sound?
[01:45] <LameBMX> yea and all im saying is you will learn my by watching
[01:46] <surfbuddy> can anyone have a look at my problem please ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=324902
[01:46] <_fnord> so no*
[01:46] <bingnet922> kitche: right, mpeg to flv
[01:46] <Pixy> kitche: After install build-essential, I get this error configure: error: "Cannot find glib"
[01:46] <Pixy> And I know it's installed.
[01:46] <bingnet922> kitche: audio is def present in orig, but no audio stream to flv
[01:46] <SmashCat> Looks like I'll have to reboot and login as root - man I love the Linux desktop :-))
[01:46] <kitche> Pixy: you have to install glib you might have glib2 installed which is different
[01:46] <root_> lameBMX: arh true, well its the hoildays so i should be relaxing anyways
[01:46] <LameBMX> i remember my university days ..
[01:46] <SmashCat> Thanks for the help people...
[01:46] <LameBMX> exactly
[01:46] <omglol> i need help setting up my linux pc as a wireless router. when i try to use firestarter it says device wlan0 is not ready. but network settings shows wlan0 is active. how can i fix that?
[01:47] <surfbuddy> its about ext3 file system failing ...
[01:47] <kitche> bingnet922: hmm yeah I m just thinking if you  have to use a tool not sure how to encode audio in lame when it's part of a video
[01:47] <LameBMX> with windows i dont run a firewall or AV ... AV is pointless ..
[01:47] <Hansel> is a firewall pointless as well?  heh.
[01:47] <LameBMX> and it only does a half a**'d job of removing them anyways
[01:47] <root_> cheers all
[01:47] <Trynemjoel> Is there a command to list LAN-connections? trying to find the IP to my Access point :)
[01:48] <LameBMX> ifconfig
[01:48] <vlc> Trynemjoel, install iptraf
[01:48] <Hansel> Trynemjoel - ifconfig and look for the IP ending in .1 usually  :)
[01:48] <LameBMX> if you are connected
[01:48] <vlc> ah
[01:48] <Pixy> ifconfig eth0 usually.
[01:48] <bingnet922> kitche: I was originally trying to use KINO to produce FLV, and was getting no audio in final, so this appears to be the reason: FFMPEG is not lame enabled.
[01:48] <LameBMX> 192.168.0.1 .1.1  15.1 are common ones
[01:49] <Trynemjoel> The accesspoint is not the router
[01:49] <bingnet922> kitche: when I encode final using utilities and libs other than ffmpeg the final has audio, only ffmpeg produces video only
[01:49] <Hansel> access point is likely .1.1 and router .0.1
[01:49] <Rav|strangler> kitche, thank you :-D
[01:49] <omglol> i have problem setting up my ubuntu as a wireless router! firestarter says wlan0 is not active!
[01:49] <Rav|strangler> Hansel, and you too buddy thanks
[01:50] <Pixy> iwconfig ?
[01:50] <needhelp> whats the configfile for wine ?
[01:50] <kitche> Trynemjoel: you can do iwlist scan and see what pops up
[01:50] <willskills> Anyone here an expert with ALSA and different soundcards? I am having problems with my capture on an NVidia CK804 - please PM me if you can assist!
[01:50] <bingnet922> omglol: you're doing better than I, I couldn't get ubuntu to recognize my wlan.
[01:50] <omglol> lol
[01:50] <_fnord> !anyone
[01:50] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[01:50] <LameBMX> lmao
[01:50] <omglol> i need help setting up my linux pc as a wireless router. when i try to use firestarter it says device wlan0 is not ready. but network settings shows wlan0 is active. how can i fix that?
[01:51] <kitche> bingnet922: to me it would just be easier to rip the sound and video part and encode them seperately then fuse them together again
[01:51] <cyphase> is CUPS ever going to announce itself via Zeroconf?
[01:51] <bingnet922> omglol: I know the first step is to determine the chipset of your wlan hardware, then determine the appropriate driver/ndiswrapper
[01:51] <bingnet922> kitche: ffmpeg?
[01:51] <Beforewisdom> Hi.  I have been trying to unrar a *.rar file.  It asks me for a password.  My system password does not work so I am guessing I need to get one from somewhere else.  Is there anyway around that?
[01:51] <Trynemjoel> all i get from iwlist scan is a macadress and other info
[01:51] <Trynemjoel> no IP :I)
[01:51] <jair_> @find SDK
[01:51] <_fnord> how do i uninstall cups copletly?
[01:51] <cafuego_> Beforewisdom: get the password from whoever sent you the rar.
[01:51] <Trynemjoel> it has a default ip form the routers DHCP-server
[01:51] <cafuego_> Beforewisdom: if they didn't give you one, you're probably not supposed to unpack it.
[01:51] <bingnet922> omglol: if you can log onto a wlan with your hardware then firestarter should work too
[01:52] <omglol> bingnet992: network settings can detect wlan0 and says its active.. is it working?
[01:52] <omglol> bingnet992: i cant logon to any wlan cuz my wireless router is down and all my neighbours are encrypted
[01:52] <Beforewisdom> I got a password.html file that says it has the password, but it isn't on there, when I click on the link it tells me to go it is a german site for a bit torrent client with a nasty note not to ask about the password
[01:53] <Hansel> hah.
[01:53] <LameBMX> yea cuz its malware
[01:53] <cafuego_> Beforewisdom: well, tough luck then
[01:53] <bingnet922> omglol: you will need a wlan for testing your hardware, I don't know if "detection as active" is sufficient proof that it is working. That's as far as I 've gone, good luck.
[01:53] <LameBMX> jeez
[01:53] <omglol> k
[01:53] <Beforewisdom> cafuego, Thanks anyway, I was hoping there would be some way around it
[01:53] <cafuego_> german defacation porn isn't good for you anyway
[01:54] <LameBMX> lol
[01:54] <Beforewisdom> Neither is sarcasm
[01:54] <Beforewisdom> aint porn
[01:54] <_fnord> omglol: if you have your nieh bors permission you could use aircrack to find there password,its in hte repos
[01:54] <Beforewisdom> Have a nice night boys
[01:54] <LameBMX> sarcasm is bad for you?
[01:54] <cafuego_> LameBMX: depends on the frame of mind of the "victim"
[01:54] <cafuego_> LameBMX: if they stab you, it's not that great
[01:54] <omglol> _fnord: lol
[01:54] <LameBMX> ah
[01:55] <LameBMX> but whatever does kill us only makes us stronger
[01:55] <_fnord> but if you dont have permission its a crime
[01:55] <LameBMX> so the sarcasm is either good or deadly
[01:55] <bingnet922> kitche: get this, ffmpeg output quickly and cleanly an mp3 of the orig. But will not transcode to flv with mp3 audio?
[01:56] <surfbuddy> can anyone have a look at my problem please ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=324902 .. about failing ext3 ..please
[01:56] <kitche> bingnet922: it probabably doesn't understand .flv format
[01:56] <_fnord> how can i get a animated start up screen?
[01:56] <kitche> bingnet922: I m not great with ffmpeg sicne I tend to encode video and audio seperately then fuse them back together
[01:57] <bingnet922> kitche: it successfully encodes flv video and ffmpeg is the industry standard for encoding this format
[01:57] <bingnet922> kitche: right?
[01:58] <omglol> how do i scan for wireless networks and join then?
[01:58] <cafuego_> kitche: my ffmpeg outputs to flv just fine
[01:58] <LameBMX> anyone here deal with a wg111u by netgear .. usb .. atheros chipset ... ive followed a few howto's
[01:58] <LameBMX> none worked
[01:58] <jughead> omglol: install something like wifi-radar
[01:58] <omglol> k
[01:58] <cyphase> ah, it'll be in CUPS 1.4
[01:58] <LameBMX> and i dont wanna do too many more installs
[01:59] <_fnord> how do i uninstall CUPS?
[01:59] <LameBMX> well os reloads
[01:59] <cyphase> June of next year
[01:59] <kitche> cafuego_: with mp3 audio?
[01:59] <cafuego_> kitche: the one I did had no audio in it, dunno.
[01:59] <toulouse> good Question, i have a wifi card in my comp. it finds our wireless router, but will not connect to it if it has a password -any suggestions?
[01:59] <vlc> surfbuddy, i installed ubuntu on a usb drive this week, and i got the problem that the disk got automounted during the partitioning...
[01:59] <cafuego_> kitche: Mind you, I had to go from ogg to yuv first; then to flv
[01:59] <cyphase> maybe they can squeeze it into feisty
[02:00] <vlc> surfbuddy, i got the same error
[02:00] <jughead> toulouse: what kind of encryption is it?
[02:00] <toulouse> ehhh, lemme look
 good Question, i have a wifi card in my comp. it finds our wireless router, but will not connect to it if it has a password -any suggestions? <== Slightly flippant answer, remove the password ;-)
[02:00] <Pie-rate> is there any way to get something to run at a really high priority without root privileges? (i get a "nice: cannot set niceness: Permission denied" message) I can get root privileges but i dont want the program i'm running to have them
[02:00] <noelferreira> hi people any software to make free phone calls ?
[02:01] <japhy> all right i feel really dumb for asking this, but for some reason i cann't burn a good copy of ubuntu, what the heck is going on? i searched the forums and have followed "ISO burning tutorials" but they always come out messed up, either i get a "buffer I/O error on hdc" or when installing the alternate CD i get " *some file* is corrupt", does anyone have any suggestions?
[02:01] <toulouse> nvm guys my mom is on the other computer, and i dont want to disturb her with router business
[02:01] <nn> japhy: my idea is that maybe you could do a net install?
[02:01] <Lunar_Lamp> Hmm, interesting question Pie-rate - definitely only root can increase a processes priority.  Perhaps you could make nice usable to non-root users?
[02:02] <jughead> that's cool toulouse let us know if you get a chance to find out
[02:02] <toulouse> i dont have the info in front of me for yall
[02:02] <toulouse> thanks for offereing to help tho
[02:02] <_fnord> !aircrack | toulouse:
[02:02] <japhy> nn: should i just search the forums to see how to do that?
[02:02] <ubotu> aircrack: wireless WEP/WPA cracker. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.3-3 (edgy), package size 136 kB, installed size 372 kB
[02:02] <bushel2> test
[02:02] <jughead> what are you using to connect to the wireless network?
[02:02] <_fnord> toulouse: | !aircrack
[02:02] <bushel2> hi @ all
[02:02] <toulouse> ooo aircrack, interesting
[02:02] <Lunar_Lamp> Pie-rate, idea!  Use "renice" to alter the processes priotiry once it's running!
[02:02] <toulouse> a d-link wifi pci card
[02:03] <toulouse> wireless -b
[02:03] <toulouse> i know the router has two options on encryption, beyond that i dont know
[02:03] <toulouse> i gtg
[02:03] <_fnord> can i use a router to conect to other routers?
[02:03] <bingnet922> noelferreira: for free calling check out http://www.../click-2021613-10422639
[02:03] <toulouse> tthanks, we'll work on this later :)
[02:03] <bushel2> i try to install beryl and need to put the gpg key in without conecting to the internet , just from the file , any ideas?
[02:03] <jughead> toulouse: what program are you using?  is it the one that comes with ubuntu or didi you install something like wifi-radar?
[02:03] <zOap> anyone know of a good freeram app for ubuntu?
[02:03] <toulouse> one with ubuntu
[02:04] <toulouse> soz, i  gtg
[02:04] <toulouse> *walking dogs*
[02:04] <Lunar_Lamp> Pie-rate, I'm not certain of the exact syntax but: "COMMAND && sudo renice -19 COMMAND/PROCESS"
[02:05] <bingnet922> noelferreira: I mean http://www.skype.com
[02:05] <Lunar_Lamp> Pie-rate, that way the program won't be executed with root privilages.  If you're uncertain about it you can test it to make sure first.
[02:05] <kitche> noelferreira: skype is not free for making calls well it's free at the moment but once jan. 1st coems it won't be free
[02:05] <noelferreira> bingnet922: i mean free calls to other system the pc. i think skype charges that ones
[02:06] <noelferreira> ya kitche that's it
[02:07] <_fnord> is there a free VoIp service?
[02:07] <kitche> noelferreira: look up free world dialup it's good, the other person also needs free world dialup also
[02:07] <Pie-rate> Lunar_Lamp: I think it needs the pid
 noelferreira: skype is not free for making calls well it's free at the moment but once jan. 1st coems it won't be free <== Skype to Skype calls are free still.
[02:08] <DIL> firefly from australia is free to0 other firefly numbers
[02:08] <_fnord> what aboute asterix?whats that all aboute?
[02:08] <_fnord> !asterix
[02:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about asterix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:08] <Lunar_Lamp> Pie-rate, can't you just use "ps -ef | grep SOMETHING-ABOUT-YOUR-PROCESS" to find the pid?
[02:08] <Pie-rate> !asterisk
[02:08] <ubotu> asterisk: Open Source Private Branch Exchange (PBX). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.2.12.1.dfsg-1ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 137 kB, installed size 400 kB
[02:08] <kitche> _fnord: ever call aumber and it was computerized that is what asterisk is
[02:09] <xyz> hi how can i find out more about the ati drivers im using ,they work great
[02:09] <kitche> _fnord: makes it so you can have extensions for one number and such it's pretty good if you know how to work with it
[02:09] <kitche> xyz: glxinfo
[02:09] <_fnord> i was told you can use it to set up a voip server and then give out free phone calls?
[02:09] <kitche> _fnord: only if you have a voip account also and they get abused a lot
[02:10] <VerdRouseau> can anyone help me connect to my HP printer connected to the router
[02:10] <leprasmurf> I've dl'd the rt2x00 drivers for a wireless adapter, but when I go into the module directory and type 'make' I get "make[1] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop."
[02:10] <leprasmurf> any ideas?
[02:10] <noelferreira> thanks people
[02:10] <_fnord> and theres no suck thing as a free voip acount?
[02:10] <Pie-rate> Lunar_Lamp, yes, but I want to do this in a script
[02:10] <Lunar_Lamp> leprasmurf, I did this install the other day!
[02:10] <noelferreira> anyone used voipbuster in ubuntu
[02:10] <noelferreira> this one is totaly free
[02:10] <Lunar_Lamp> leprasmurf, pm and I'll help you out.
[02:10] <Mx-> Happy holidays
[02:10] <_fnord> !voipbuster
[02:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about voipbuster - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:11] <Lunar_Lamp> Pie-rate, well you would be being difficult eh? ;-)
[02:11] <un_operateur> leprasmurf, you might need to have a read at README or INSTALL within those directories
[02:11] <Mx-> can someone tell me how ubuntu being a newer linux distro has blown up to the point it has in popularity?
[02:11] <kitche> _fnord: free world dialup it's computer to computer but there is ways to use outside calls
[02:11] <Pie-rate> Lunar_Lamp: I'm thinking sudo nice -n -19  sudo -u jschall command-name
[02:11] <_fnord> Mx-: because its sexy
[02:11] <Lunar_Lamp> Pie-rate, ok, you can make the script create a "pid" file whereby it outputs the pid of the processes initiated.  Then you can use that simply can you not?
[02:12] <Mx-> :D
[02:12] <Pie-rate> Lunar_Lamp: how do i do that?
[02:12] <superkirbyartist> Something weird's going on!  When I load my computer, the splash is Kubuntu.  When I turn it off, the splash is Xubuntu.  I use Xubuntu; how do I set the system startup splash to Xubuntu?
[02:12] <un_operateur> Mx-, it's cool, easy to use, appeals to windows users looking to change, detects most hardware, is based on debian's stability, easy to maintain, quite robust, etc
[02:12] <Lunar_Lamp> Pie-rate, I'm not quite sure - I know that things like apache produce pid files when run though.
[02:13] <_fnord> superkirbyartist: have you installed more then one desktop?
[02:13] <un_operateur> superkirbyartist, check out !usplash
[02:13] <_fnord> like kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop
[02:13] <superkirbyartist> _fnord: Previously I have tried KDE on Snow White iMac G3; too slow, so got rid of it.
[02:13] <superkirbyartist> un_operateur: Those instructions are complicated!
[02:13] <_fnord> !usplash
[02:13] <ubotu> usplash is the start-up splash (before the login screen appears) in Ubuntu. To customize it, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[02:14] <kitche> un_operateur: that howto is more about making a usplash from what I have read and what LjL said
[02:14] <Pie-rate> Why do you need root to increase a processes priority anyway?
[02:14] <needhelp> I try to run a Windows-game through wine. Installing from CD1 works fine, but then it asks for CD2. the installer seems not to detect that I switched to CD2 and its keeps begging for the next disc. How to install that game?
[02:14] <`rich> Okay, trying to share a folder on my ubuntu box (via SMB) and browse it from a windows box - I get asked for a login/pass but it doesn't accept my ubuntu login details. Am I missing something?
[02:14] <biotro1> Merry Christmas to all :)
[02:14] <needhelp> Without switching to Windows
[02:15] <xyz> kitche:thx
[02:15] <un_operateur> superkirbyartist, you could probably get away with  -- sudo sh -c "aptitude purge usplash; aptitude install usplash"
[02:15] <Pie-rate> needhelp: #winehq and www.appdb.winehq.org
[02:15] <biotro1> Merry Christmas to you all
[02:15] <kitche> needhelp: there is a switch to tell wine to look for cdeject requests not sure the exact syntax of it though man wine should tell you the correct syntax
[02:15] <_fnord> needhelp: did you give your cd rom drive a min to make sure it had time to load the game?
[02:15] <DIL> xmas
[02:15] <superkirbyartist> un_operator; typed it right now.
 Why do you need root to increase a processes priority anyway? <== Otherwise a non-trusted user could use all the systems processing power.
[02:16] <Mx-> so many people in here
[02:16] <Mx-> wow
[02:16] <superkirbyartist> Score is -301; what does that mean?
[02:16] <factboy818181> does anyone use Starcraft in Ubuntu with wine?  if so, have you had any troubles with starcraft not taking up full screen?
[02:16] <needhelp> _fnord: yes, many minutes
[02:16] <superkirbyartist> It asks me to accept or not?
[02:16] <DIL> MX it is the ubuntu concept :-)
[02:16] <_fnord> i dont know then might just not be compatible
[02:16] <needhelp> kitche: thanks, ill look into it
[02:17] <Mx-> the african thing?
[02:17] <un_operateur> superkirbyartist, _read_ the preceeding few lines, they ask you if you would like to uninstall a few packages
[02:17] <DIL> riiiiiiiiiiight
[02:18] <_fnord> how do i get a anmated splash screen?like the fingerprint/dna/hand one in kubuntu?
[02:18] <superkirbyartist> How do I edit applications menu in Xubuntu?
[02:18] <_fnord> also still need to figure out whats wrong with my sound on a laptop
[02:20] <_fnord> nevermind i got the sound but i still need help with teh splash screen
[02:21] <anandanbu> Hi
[02:21] <omglol> for my atherous wireless card, shd i use ndiswrapper with winxp drivers or madwifi
[02:22] <lupine_85> omglol: madwifi every time
[02:22] <omglol> k :)
[02:22] <superkirbyartist> I installed Mac-On-Linux: how do I run it?
[02:22] <omglol> if i've installed ndiswrapper with winxp drivers shd i remove ndiswrapper?
[02:23] <_fnord> what program do i use to network a mac to my computer so the mac can use my wifi?
[02:23] <anandanbu> can i change the grub so that the default booting OS is windows if so how can i do it
[02:23] <un_operateur> omglol, if ndiswrapper is currently set to use your network card -- you should remove it or disengage it
[02:23] <eriksays> superkirbyartist: are you experiencing problems running?
[02:23] <vox754> omglol: no, it does nothing leaving it installed
[02:23] <omglol> hmm
[02:24] <superkirbyartist> eriksays: There is no Xfce menu link.
[02:24] <un_operateur> anandanbu, you edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file and set the default choice there
[02:24] <Lunar_Lamp> anandanbu, you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.list - there is an option to select which number entry in your list it selects by default.  I think it starts counting from "0" as a warning (i.e. the first entry is called "0" the second "1" the third  "2")
[02:24] <vox754> edit it with gedit, or nano
[02:24] <omglol> u can try grubed
[02:24] <anandanbu> where is the file location
[02:25] <un_operateur> anandanbu, are you drunk? :)
[02:25] <Lunar_Lamp> anandanbu, /boot/grub/menu.lst is the file location :-)
[02:25] <anandanbu> what
[02:25] <anandanbu> ok
[02:25] <anandanbu> thnx Lunar_Lamp
[02:25] <Lunar_Lamp> anandanbu, you will need root/sudo acces to save any changes to the file though.
[02:25] <SillyZ> !seen hawkind
[02:25] <ubotu> I haven't seen hawkind recently
[02:25] <superkirbyartist> eriksays?
[02:25] <anandanbu> ok
[02:26] <vox754> !attitude > un_operateur
[02:26] <SillyZ> !seen haesslich
[02:26] <ubotu> I haven't seen haesslich recently
[02:26] <SillyZ> hmmmph
[02:26] <un_operateur> vox754, thanks but it was not meant to offend, just some light humour :)
[02:27] <vox754> haha
[02:27] <un_operateur> vox754, you know... christmas time, merry spirits, etc ..
[02:27] <Stormx2> How do I add "/usr/local/lib" to some config thing (maybe ld?) so that xchat can find .so files there?
[02:28] <Stormx2> Oh, and jesus loves you all ;-)
[02:28] <un_operateur> Stormx2, what .so files is xchat missing?
[02:28] <cafuego_> Stormx2: /etc/ld.so.conf
[02:29] <Stormx2> cafuego_: Just add "/usr/local/lib", yeah?
[02:29] <nn> Stormx2: aww i <3 jesus
[02:29] <cafuego_> yup
[02:29] <Stormx2> what a rocking guy
[02:29] <Stormx2> xD
[02:29] <cafuego_> JEEBUS!
[02:29] <Stormx2> cafuego_: After that, should I restart xchat?
[02:30] <Stormx2> Bleh.
[02:30] <Stormx2> I'll try anyway
[02:31] <digin4> damn gnome toolbars froze
[02:31] <djf8d7fa> what's the bash command to pipe output to a file?
[02:31] <Stormx2> Bleh
[02:31] <Stormx2>  AutoLoad failed for: /home/barney/.xchat2/audacious-show-1.2.0.so
[02:31] <Stormx2>  libaudacious.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:31] <un_operateur> pipe output or redirect output?
[02:31] <Stormx2> djf8d7fa: >> or >
[02:31] <Gosha> !tomoe
[02:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tomoe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:31] <djf8d7fa> thanks
[02:31] <Gosha> .. wee
[02:31] <vox754> !Enter > Stormx2
[02:31] <Gosha> where did tomoe go?
[02:31] <Stormx2> djf8d7fa: One appends, one writes new.
[02:31] <Gosha> !uim
[02:31] <ubotu> uim: Simple and flexible input method collection and library. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.2.1-3ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 20 kB
[02:31] <Stormx2> vox754: yeah yeah
[02:32] <Stormx2> vox754: Gimme a break
[02:32] <Blue_p> Hey, can someone help me with a pc problem - My pc wont detect my mp4 player at all
[02:32] <Stormx2> vox754: You wanted !paste anyway ;-)
[02:32] <Stormx2> cafuego, still around?
[02:32] <cafuego_> of course
[02:33] <cafuego_> do you expect me to have a life?
[02:33] <Stormx2> cafuego_: I've added it, saved, etc
[02:33] <Elly> hey guys...is there a way to install ubuntu with grsecurity patches?
[02:33] <Stormx2> cafuego_: Hahahaha.
[02:33] <cafuego_> No Mr Bond, I expect you to die!
[02:33] <Stormx2> cafuego_: I restarted x-chat, but it still wouldn't load it (see the error I posted). Do I need to restart anything else?
[02:33] <Stormx2> wait
[02:33] <Stormx2> Run
[02:33] <Stormx2> ldconfig
[02:33] <Stormx2> right?
[02:34] <cafuego_> yah
[02:35] <Stormx2> Still no show, same error.
[02:35] <Stormx2> cafuego ^^
[02:36] <Gosha> what happened to tomoe in edgy? >_<
[02:36] <Stormx2> Gosha: What is tomoe? lol
[02:36] <cafuego_> Stormx2: run 'ldd  /home/barney/.xchat2/audacious-show-1.2.0.so'
[02:37] <cafuego_> Stormx2: Oh, whilst you're at it, cehck the permissions on stuff in /usr/local/lib
[02:37] <un_operateur> Stormx2, just wondering, you were asking earlier about adding "/usr/local/lib" in, but then you come out with missing .so in "/home.." -- are you sure you added the right dir in?
[02:37] <Gosha> tomoe = handwriting recognition stuff, japanese
[02:37] <Stormx2> un_operateur: Well the thing is in /usr/local/lib
[02:37] <cafuego_> un_operateur: the .so in home won't laod because of a lib it depends on, I expect that one is in /usr/local/lib
[02:37] <Stormx2> un_operateur: The x-chat plugin is in my ~
[02:38] <Stormx2> libaudacious.so.4 => not found
[02:38] <un_operateur> right, i see
[02:38] <superkirbyartist> OK, someone gave me some code, and it REMOVED the splash screens both before and after desktop loads.  How can I set it back to normal?
[02:38] <Stormx2> libaudacious.so.4 is symlinked to this:
[02:38] <Stormx2> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   194841 2006-12-16 02:02 libaudacious.so.4.0.0
[02:39] <Stormx2> Shall I 777 it for the hell of it?
[02:39] <Stormx2> cafuego_ ^^
[02:40] <LongkerDandy> i want install Amule on my ubuntu server, i'm wondered if the "amule-daemon" just enough
[02:40] <nn> Stormx2: not a good idea. no
[02:40] <DigitalNinja> I'm trying to umount /tmp. It's not working. The device is busy. Is there a way to forice a umount of /tmp?
[02:40] <nn> Stormx2: 755 is fine
[02:41] <vox754> superkirby: you can browse here http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=11705514
[02:41] <Stormx2> Hmm
[02:41] <Stormx2> its not like its access denied
[02:41] <Stormx2> Its actually not finding it
[02:41] <nn> and where is it?
[02:41] <Stormx2> /usr/local/lib
[02:42] <etienne> hi
[02:42] <wyld> !hi
[02:42] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[02:42] <nn> is /usr/local/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf?
[02:43] <vox754> DigitalNinja: I guess you can't, it seems like a "system's folder"
[02:43] <Stormx2> nn: yeah
[02:43] <cafuego_> Stormx2: What does `file' say about libaudacious.so.4.0.0 ?
[02:43] <michelp> happy holidays!  is there a way to upgrade my dapper install to edgy?  the update manager tells me there is a new distribution 6.06 LTS but i I want 6.10
[02:43] <michelp> will 6.06 LTS let me update to 6.10?
[02:43] <DigitalNinja> vox754: I did it! I'm not sure how but /tmp is not mounted.
[02:43] <thoreauputic> !upgrade
[02:43] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:43] <un_operateur> !upgrade | michelp
[02:43] <ubotu> michelp: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:44] <nn> michelp: dapper you need to upgrade to breezy then up, i believe
[02:44] <cafuego_> DigitalNinja: stop all processes that are using /tmp (easiest is to go to single-user mode, runlevel 1)
[02:44] <michelp> thanks
[02:44] <michelp> sorry for the noise
[02:44] <michelp> !upgrade
[02:44] <Stormx2> cafuego_: How do I use it?
[02:44] <thoreauputic> nn: no, breezy was before dapper :)
[02:44] <cafuego_> Stormx2: file <filename>
[02:44] <nn> OH
[02:44] <vox754> michelp: Dapper is 6.06
[02:44] <Stormx2> libaudacious.so.4.0.0: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped
[02:44] <michelp> i think i might have breezy on this laptop
[02:44] <michelp> it's not actually mine, i'm using edgy on mine, i'm upgrading a friend
[02:45] <nn> thoreauputic: oh ya, i went fro hoary to edgy :)
[02:45] <Ashton_K> Hello.
[02:45] <thoreauputic> michelp: breezy > dapper > edgy
[02:45] <cafuego_> michelp: 'lsb_release -a'
[02:45] <Stormx2> breezy < dapper < edgy
[02:45] <Stormx2> surely? ;)
[02:45] <michelp> ah yes, i have breezy
[02:45] <michelp> so dapper first, then edgy
[02:45] <thoreauputic> nn: umm - annd it didn't break? Or you reinstalled , right?
[02:45] <un_operateur> you should be able to go straight from breezy to edgy without any problems
[02:45] <Ashton_K> It seems make menuconfig isn't working for me, gives me a bunch of "undeclared" and "implicit declaration" errors.
[02:45] <Ashton_K> Any ideas?
[02:45] <lupine_85> un_operateur: erm, no
[02:45] <cafuego_> Stormx2: Depends on whether they're greater than or arrows
[02:46] <nn> thoreauputic: i did upgrades, edgy => breezy => dapper => edgy
[02:46] <Ashton_K> (I have the metapackages the wiki told me I needed to compile a new kernel)
[02:46] <nn> Ashton_K: you're missing ncurses-dev i bet
[02:46] <cafuego_> nn: liar
[02:46] <thoreauputic> Stormx2: that's math, mine was arroes ;)
[02:46] <thoreauputic> *arrows
[02:46] <nn> cafuego_: eh?
[02:46] <Stormx2> thoreauputic: haha ;) okay
[02:46] <cafuego_> nn: edgy => breezy?
[02:46] <nn> oh, hoary => breezy, not edgy
[02:46] <Ashton_K> Looks like I didn't have it, let's see if that fixes things.
[02:46] <nn> cafuego_: Typo :)
[02:46] <thoreauputic> Stormx2: I probably should have used -->
[02:46] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[02:46] <Ashton_K> nn: You're a genius.
[02:46] <Ashton_K> :P
[02:46] <Stormx2> thoreauputic: its okay, no worries :)
[02:47] <Stormx2> Ima go to bed soon, I think
[02:47] <cafuego_> Does dist-upgrade from dapper to edgy work these days or will it bork a machine still?
[02:47] <un_operateur> lupine_85, errm, I managed to get from dapper to feisty alright -- i dont see why not
[02:47] <Stormx2> Ima just see if there is anything I can do to get this working...
[02:47] <lupine_85> !worksforme
[02:47] <thoreauputic> :D
[02:47] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[02:47] <Stormx2> cafuego_: Does it normally not work?
[02:47] <lupine_85> !upgrade
[02:47] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:47] <lupine_85> put the two together... what do you get?
[02:47] <nn> Ashton_K: nawh, just been using linux for almost 10 years now :)
[02:47] <cafuego_> Stormx2: Completely broke my machine when I did it
[02:47] <Stormx2> Jesus
[02:47] <Stormx2> I swear I've broken sudo
[02:48] <un_operateur> lupine_85, conspiracy ?? :)
[02:48] <Stormx2> One minute
[02:48] <lupine_85> un_operateur: yeah, something like that
[02:48] <Stormx2> sudo <command> does nothing...
[02:48] <cafuego_> luckily I don't have peoblems with manaully fixing up an mdraid system and reinstalling without trashing /home
[02:48] <Stormx2> oh
[02:48] <Stormx2> no it does
[02:48] <MrSprout> Could someone help me with gnome themes.
[02:48] <Stormx2> just gedit
[02:48] <Stormx2> xD
[02:48] <MrSprout> They fail to install every time.
[02:48] <lupine_85> gksudo gedit ...
[02:48] <lupine_85> don't sudo gui apps
[02:49] <un_operateur> lupine_85, linux has always been about "work-for-me" it's always been that way, no progress gets by without it .. frankly i dont see the point of upgrading to a distro if you are going to use it for an hour
[02:49] <Stormx2> lupine_85: Yeah.
[02:49] <Stormx2> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[02:49] <Stormx2> Eek.
[02:49] <Stormx2> I guess thats me launching gedit with sudo...
[02:49] <Stormx2> Anyway
[02:49] <lupine_85> un_operateur: indeed. What was missing from your advice was the "I'll sit on IRC and help you if it breaks"
[02:49] <Stormx2> reboot time
[02:49] <Stormx2> ;)
[02:50] <lupine_85> I certainly don't fancy taking that one up
[02:50] <kenshin> QUESTION: Whenever I try to add a printer from gnome or KDE, CUPS seems freeze my PC so that I have to use the reset button. How can I troubleshoot and fix this? Using dapper.
[02:51] <un_operateur> lupine_85, aye, mileage variation and all that -- fair enough :)
[02:51] <thoreauputic> cafuego: I tried the update thingy - it crashed half way through and I ended up doing aptitude dist-upgrade ; dpkg --configure -a ; dist-upgrade etc etc ( finally made it with a couple of apt-get -f installs thhrown in ;)
[02:51] <lupine_85> :)
[02:51] <cafuego_> thoreauputic: ... but after that it did boot up?
[02:51] <MrSprout> Can anyone help me with gnome theme installation, I get a "wrong filetype" message every time I try to install one
[02:51] <thoreauputic> cafuego: yes, but it had a few issues
[02:52] <vanberge> if i've added a new monitor, whats the easiest way to reconfigure X ?  :-/  my new monitor supports 1280x1024 but can't set that in the screen resolution dialogue
[02:52] <cafuego_> thoreauputic: Ok, I'll just go for the fresh install then.
[02:52] <MrSprout> vanberge
[02:52] <thoreauputic> cafuego: I'm just running dapper now ( I didn't see much i wanted in edgy)
[02:52] <MrSprout> xorg.conf
[02:52] <lupine_85> !info python-kde3 feisty
[02:52] <ubotu> python-kde3: KDE3 bindings for Python. In component main, is optional. Version 3.16.0-0ubuntu5 (feisty), package size 5277 kB, installed size 26920 kB
[02:52] <cafuego_> thoreauputic: For this box the newer beagle would be nice
[02:52] <etunbe> merry christmas, just installed xchat and by the face
[02:52] <thoreauputic> cafuego: although edgy is still there on my other partitons
[02:52] <MrSprout> and change all the highest monitor resolutions to the one you want
[02:52] <etunbe> here
[02:52] <MrSprout> and save
[02:52] <MrSprout> worked for me
[02:52] <cafuego_> thoreauputic: the edgy one doesn't normally eat 1GB of ram like the dapper one does.
[02:53] <vanberge> MrSprout, the easiest way is to edit the file?
[02:53] <thoreauputic> cafuego:  beagle? *shudder*
[02:53] <Ashton_K> nn: So after "Make menuconfig" and "make" is there something else I'm missing?
[02:53] <lupine_85> vanberge: definitely
[02:53] <MrSprout> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:53] <lupine_85> gksudo gedit ...
[02:53] <cafuego_> thoreauputic: very handy when you have a few GB of mail you need to search
[02:53] <thoreauputic> cafuego: ah, well that's something I guess
[02:53] <nn> Ashton_K: make modules modules_install install
[02:53] <nn> i think
[02:53] <cafuego_> thoreauputic: .. and a few tens of GB of legacy data (word docs etc)
[02:54] <thoreauputic> cafuego: I use sylpheed and couldn't see how to get beagle to acknowledge my mail's existence
[02:54] <cafuego_> thoreauputic: in fact, VERY useful in that regard :-)
[02:54] <cafuego_> thoreauputic: you can probably point it at your local maildir or mbox
[02:54] <thoreauputic> yes, for the word docs I can see the point
[02:54] <Senesence> Will I ever have to defrag my ubuntu partition?
[02:54] <cafuego_> thoreauputic: mine picks up the evolution imap cache
[02:54] <cafuego_> Senesence: nope
[02:54] <thoreauputic> Senesence: no
[02:55] <Ashton_K> Still building.
[02:55] <Senesence> Ok, I guess that takes care of me. Later guys happy holidays.
[02:55] <Ashton_K> This might take a while.
[02:55] <Ashton_K> You too Senesence
[02:55] <Ashton_K> Oh noes, errors.
[02:56] <Ashton_K> Probably because I mucked around in the .config files before using make menuconfig.
[02:57] <Ashton_K> So anyways, when's 2.6.20 coming out, and is it worth upgrading from 17?
[02:57] <MrSprout> How do I change icon sizes.
[02:57] <MrSprout> default icon sizes
[02:57] <MrSprout> rather
[02:57] <cafuego_> Ashton_K: WIR is usual :-)
[02:57] <Ashton_K> WIR?
[02:58] <cafuego_> When Its Ready
[02:58] <lupine_85> Ashton_K: feisty has 2.6.20rc2 or something like that
[02:58] <Ashton_K> Well, yeah.
[02:58] <Ashton_K> I thought feisty was still a long way from release.
[02:58] <cafuego_> april
[02:58] <Ashton_K> Ah.
[02:59] <cafuego_> it didn't crash when I booted it the other day, though
[02:59] <Ashton_K> Any new features in .20 that'd make it worth the upgrade from .17?
[02:59] <Ashton_K> Oh, you're running experimental? Brave man.
[02:59] <Ashton_K> Or woman, whatever.
[02:59] <thoreauputic> anyway edgy is no fun - it doesn't break any more ;p
[02:59] <Ashton_K> That's the problem with Linux users.
[02:59] <Ashton_K> "It's no fun if there's nothing to fix on my own!"
[02:59] <thoreauputic> heheh
[02:59] <cafuego_> thoreauputic: rm -rf /bin/bash; reboot
[03:00] <thoreauputic> Ashton_K: i like to have one stable install and one to play with :)
[03:00] <cafuego_> you cna always try to get xen working under edgy
[03:00] <thoreauputic> cafuego: yeah, that would do it :)
[03:02] <levander> When I start bittornado, I keep getting an "Couldn't listen - (98, 'Adress already in use')" error.  Somebody can tell me how to get around this?
[03:03] <cafuego_> levander: kill the prevuious instance that's using the bittorrent port
[03:04] <nn> njws01 login: jimmy.neutron
[03:04] <Ashton_K> Praying time!
[03:04] <nn>          Access denied. Please insert your smartcard and try again!
[03:04] <nn> woohooo
[03:04] <Arithmomaniac> I am having serious problems with the 915 resolution installation
[03:04] <cafuego_> Ashton_K: whatnow? why?
[03:04] <Ashton_K> Smartcard security?
[03:04] <Ashton_K> Oh, joy!
[03:04] <Arithmomaniac> I have an Acer Aspire 1640
[03:04] <bushel> hi @ all
[03:04] <levander> cafuego_: that's the thing, I thought I had.
[03:04] <nn> Ashton_K: oh yeaaa
[03:04] <cafuego_> Ashton_K: make-kpkg
[03:04] <Ashton_K> cafuego, compiling a kernel so it'll like my wireless driver better.
[03:04] <nn>           You have connected to a U.S. government information system.
[03:04] <kenshin> what's a good channel to ask a cups question in?
[03:04] <Arithmomaniac> With an intel 915GM card
[03:04] <nn>                        This device is administered by:
[03:04] <nn>              Department of Defense, Department of Ninja Affairs
[03:04] <bushel> i try to conect to the inet but cant find kinternet
[03:04] <Ashton_K> Oh my.
[03:04] <nn> wtf is dept of ninja affairs?
[03:05] <levander> cafuego_: but, I waited awhile, typed in above, and tried again, it started fine.  Maybe it just takes longer than usual for bittornado to release the port?
[03:05] <Arithmomaniac> I'm afraid I'm being lost...
[03:05] <cafuego_> levander: Just cehck what's using the port via 'netstat'
[03:05] <Arithmomaniac> ...these should be forked
[03:05] <Ashton_K> levander, or it's leaking internet connections.
[03:05] <idlemind> because bush is all smoke and mirrors
[03:05] <Ashton_K> Which differs from other politicians how?
[03:05] <Arithmomaniac> Anyways, I have this 915 chipset..
[03:05] <Arithmomaniac> ...And it only does 1024x768
[03:06] <Arithmomaniac> I have a 1280x800 monitor, so it is driven me crazy
[03:06] <Ashton_K> Hrm, shit monkeys.
[03:06] <nn> Ashton_K: Im kind of confused about DNA :)
[03:06] <Ashton_K> When this thing is done, it's gonna write over my current kernel isn't it?
[03:07] <Arithmomaniac> I tried to edit my xorg, but it was read-only, and I don't know how to edit permossions
[03:07] <nn> are they really ninjas?
[03:07] <nn> Ashton_K: No
[03:07] <Arithmomaniac> What cany I do about this?
[03:07] <Ashton_K> k, good.
[03:07] <cafuego_> Arithmomaniac: 'sudop dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[03:07] <Arithmomaniac> First, I tried the think on the wiki page
[03:07] <Ashton_K> What'll be called? Will it just add a few ABI numebrs?
[03:07] <Arithmomaniac> cafuego_
[03:08] <nn> bbl
[03:08] <Captain_Redbeard> Hmm I'm having troubles with java... I can't seem to get java 1.5 installed...
[03:08] <Arithmomaniac> I did that, and I just ended up with more options than I can handle
[03:08] <Ashton_K> Hrm, when this kernel compilation is done, where will the kernel image be located?
[03:08] <Arithmomaniac> First, the wiki page recomments enabling i815
[03:08] <Arithmomaniac> for the first box
[03:08] <Arithmomaniac> But that is not even a question
[03:08] <Arithmomaniac> I mean, option
[03:08] <thoreauputic> Captain_Redbeard: did you run  sudo update-alternatives --config java  ?
[03:09] <kenshin> is there any reason not to upgrade from dapper to edgy?
[03:09] <kitche> Arithmomaniac: sure it is it's i810 not i815
[03:09] <Arithmomaniac> But then what about all the options afterwards?
[03:09] <kitche> kenshin: dapper is still being supported that's the only reason really
[03:09] <Ashton_K> Kenshin, the Atheros chipset wireless cards are having spotchy problems in edgy.
[03:09] <Draxzo> hey guys.. any clue what program I can use to install a .bin file?
[03:09] <Ashton_K> Mine is borked, but not all of them are.
[03:09] <Arithmomaniac> And after a long time, it asks for more screen resolutions...
[03:10] <kenshin> Ashton_K, don't have a wireless card, but thanks for the heads-up
[03:10] <Arithmomaniac> ...which I could use...
[03:10] <kitche> Draxzo" .bin is self-executable
[03:10] <Captain_Redbeard> thoreauputic: uhm... nopes thanks though I'll give it a try and i'll see what it yields
[03:10] <thoreauputic> kenshin: 3 years support for 6.06 LTS, 18 months for edgy
[03:10] <Arithmomaniac> And none are 1280x800
[03:10] <thoreauputic> Captain_Redbeard: you need to do that
[03:10] <hope13> does it cost money for LTS version?
[03:10] <hope13> >,>
[03:10] <Ashton_K> thoreaputic, that's paid support right?
[03:10] <bizinichi`> sup?
[03:10] <raxip> yo
[03:10] <kenshin> commercial support?
[03:10] <thoreauputic> Captain_Redbeard: you just type the right number for it :)
[03:10] <kitche> hope13: no only for commerical support it costs
[03:10] <hope13> oh
[03:10] <Captain_Redbeard> thoreauputic: wicked... :D
[03:11] <thoreauputic> Ashton_K: no, just means the repos will be around longer I think
[03:11] <Arithmomaniac> That's about where I got up to
[03:11] <kenshin> is #ubuntu the free support?
[03:11] <Draxzo> kitche, how do I execute it? :)
[03:11] <Ashton_K> Ah.
[03:11] <bizinichi`> out of interest
[03:11] <raxip> you tell me
[03:11] <Arithmomaniac> I'll do it again. why not
[03:11] <Ashton_K> So Edgy is supposed to have a shorter lifespan?
[03:11] <hope13> it's every six month no?
[03:11] <kitche> Draxzo: chmod +x <name>.bin then ./<name>.bin
[03:11] <makuseru> Hi, I have a problem. I restarted my computer and after i rebooted i dont have sound anymore. Can someone help?
[03:11] <thoreauputic> Ashton_K: yes, same as warty, hoary, breezy
[03:11] <Ashton_K> 18 months vs 3 years.
[03:11] <Ashton_K> :P
[03:11] <hope13> um i have breezy
[03:11] <kitche> hope13: ubuntu is released every 6 months
[03:11] <Ashton_K> Dapper seems pretty damned stable though.
[03:11] <hope13> i don't have a blank cd
[03:11] <Draxzo> oh, it's a .package kitche
[03:11] <Ashton_K> Internet upgrades.
[03:12] <thoreauputic> Ashton_K: it is
[03:12] <kitche> Draxzo: same way then
[03:12] <hope13> how do you do that?
[03:12] <Ashton_K> I might downgrade.
[03:12] <Draxzo> sweet kitche :)
[03:12] <hope13> i'm new lol
[03:12] <Arithmomaniac> THe autodetect does not work, so I'm going to the i810
[03:12] <Ashton_K> This whole "No wireless thing" puts a tick in everything.
[03:12] <bushel> how can I find Kinternet?
[03:12] <Trynemj0el> Draxzo, http://www.jonhoweonline.com/blog/node/82
[03:12] <Captain_Redbeard> Uhm... what is the real difference in FrostWire and LimeWire..? FrostWire is opensource... but it has a close to identical interface?
[03:12] <hope13> lol i have broadcom
[03:12] <Ashton_K> Is fiesty gonna have LTS like Dapper?
[03:12] <hope13> T_T
[03:12] <thoreauputic> Ashton_K: no
[03:12] <kitche> !frostwire
[03:12] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[03:12] <makuseru> what is LTS?
[03:13] <thoreauputic> Ashton_K: I don't know how often the LTS releases are
[03:13] <hope13> is it in java?
[03:13] <kitche> Long term support
[03:13] <thoreauputic> !lts
[03:13] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[03:13] <superkirbyartist> OK, how do I install the splash before/after Ubuntu?
[03:13] <hope13> is frost wire in java?
[03:13] <Ashton_K> I'm not going to be able to babysit this machine, so I might downgrade to 6.06
[03:13] <Draxzo> oh, thanks for the link Trynemj0el :)
[03:13] <Pie-rate> Why does linux seem to be worse than windows at multitasking, especially for games? For example, if i'm running the Jedi Knight 2 Dedicated Server in the background on windows and i max out the priority, the server never lags. on linux with nice -20, the server lags when i open the game client.
[03:13] <Ashton_K> The users of these machines won't be able to tell the differences in the Kernels anyawys.
[03:14] <Ashton_K> Pie-Rate, it might be the IPv6 stack....
[03:14] <Ashton_K> I believe not everyone uses it yet.
[03:14] <thoreauputic> Pie-rate: nice -20 ? that's extreme
[03:14] <Arithmomaniac> Finally, it works.
[03:14] <Arithmomaniac> I found 1280x800
[03:14] <Ashton_K> I mean hell, the EA BF2 server denies connections to those using IPv6.
[03:14] <digin4> argh nvidia drivers aren't working on edgy :(
[03:14] <makuseru> what is LTS?
[03:14] <Pie-rate> thoreauputic: yes, but it still doesn't totally remove all lag
[03:14] <makuseru> oops
[03:14] <makuseru> Hi, I have a problem. I restarted my computer and after i rebooted i dont have sound anymore. Can someone help?
[03:15] <Ashton_K> Are you in the sound group?
[03:15] <thoreauputic> Pie-rate: I think you got the renice the wrong way round
[03:15] <Arithmomaniac> But not it asks for the "best" rate, and the 1280x800 won't work
[03:15] <neuratix> makuseru: check that both pcm and headphone volume is turned up
[03:15] <Ashton_K> makuseru: System -> Administration -> Users and Groups
[03:15] <thoreauputic> Pie-rate: don't you want to renice other processes ?
[03:15] <Arithmomaniac> I mean, it's not there
[03:15] <Pie-rate> thoreauputic: the process sits at 0-1% usage anyway, why does it matter if its ultra-high priority?
[03:16] <Arithmomaniac> Should I jsut pick the best one I know my monitor can do?
[03:16] <thoreauputic> Pie-rate: *shrug* I might be misunderstanding you
[03:16] <Ashton_K> Click your name, check "Properties" and go to "User Priviledges," Make sure "Able to use Audio devices" is checked.
[03:16] <Arithmomaniac> I just don't know
[03:16] <Ashton_K> (I miss the old user groups in the GUI tool)
[03:16] <Arithmomaniac> I accidentally pressed enter from the description
[03:16] <Arithmomaniac> And can't go back and read it
[03:17] <Ashton_K> Argh, still compiling
[03:17] <Arithmomaniac> I'll try 1024x768
[03:17] <Pie-rate> thoreauputic: basically i want the server process (the one i'm renicing to -20) to never ever lag, even if i'm trying to use all the system's resources with another program
[03:17] <makuseru> Ashton_K: what does that have to do with sound?
[03:17] <digin4> what's the nvidia package name for edgy?
[03:17] <makuseru> oh
[03:17] <makuseru> nvm
[03:18] <Arithmomaniac> OK. Not I have to turn off X-server...
[03:18] <Ashton_K> If you aren't included in the "sound" group, it won't let you play sounds.
[03:18] <Ashton_K> :P
[03:18] <cyphase> does anyone know anything about network manager 0.7.0?
[03:18] <kitche> digin4: nvidia-glx
[03:18] <Ashton_K> Hence the "Allow to use audio devices" option.
[03:18] <digin4> kitche, it says it's broken :(
[03:20] <Ashton_K> And, the make option returned: A shit ton of errors.
[03:22] <JAnYou> Hi, I am trying to make configuration of the Emacs using lisp. Is there some start guiline  to lisp programming?
[03:22] <Ashton_K> Maybe the more stable dapper would be wise for a machine that noobs will be using.
[03:23] <thoreauputic> JAnYou: umm - have you tried googling for "lisp programming emacs" or similar?
[03:23] <_fnord> whats e code name for 6.06
[03:23] <Ashton_K> dapper
[03:23] <Ashton_K> Dapper Drake actually
[03:23] <thoreauputic> or "lisp configuration emacs" I suppose ...
[03:24] <kenThomson> Merry X'Mas!!!
[03:24] <kenThomson> Anyone awake?
[03:24] <Ashton_K> Yes.
[03:24] <thoreauputic> yes
[03:24] <thoreauputic> sort of
[03:24] <thoreauputic> ;p
[03:24] <hope13> merry xmas
[03:24] <Nikolas> Jesusmas insult kazakhstan
[03:25] <thoreauputic> Nikolas: chill
[03:25] <hope13> merry kwaza
[03:25] <kenThomson> Do any of you use fs-driver.org's drivers to write files to ext3 fron Windows?
[03:25] <lupine_85> meh. you lot are all a bunch of monotheists anyway
[03:25] <hope13> i'm agnostic lol
[03:25] <lupine_85> Nikolas: my gods kick the, ahem, bottom of your god any day
[03:25] <thoreauputic> OK before this gets out of hand - religion is off-yopic
[03:25] <kenThomson> yes
[03:25] <lupine_85> I know :) sorry
[03:25] <Ashton_K> Merry Christmas, it isn't a christian holiday anyways (athiest here)
[03:25] <Lunar_Lamp> lupine_85, monotheist and proud I am ;-)
[03:26] <Nikolas> For the record: I'm not from kazakhstan and I'm an atheist
[03:26] <hope13> yeaaah athiest!
[03:26] <hope13> lol
[03:26] <thoreauputic> *cough* I *really* don't want to kick people today....
[03:26] <Lunar_Lamp> thoreauputic, sorry, though I still wish everyone a Happy Christmas :-)
[03:26] <kenThomson> Now if i could get some attention, once the religious summit is over; Do any of you use fs-driver.org's drivers to write files to ext3 from Windows?
[03:26] <thoreauputic> OK :)
[03:27] <hope13> i dunno
[03:27] <thoreauputic> kenThomson: no windows on my boxen, sorry
[03:27] <kenThomson> no-one?
[03:27] <hope13> how do i update my ubuntu from 5.10 to 6.10 without having a blank cd?
[03:27] <Lunar_Lamp> kenThomson, I don't, but I believe they work well.
[03:27] <hope13> >,>
[03:27] <Ashton_K> No, I don't.
[03:27] <makuseru> is there anyway to add free space on a drive to another partition
[03:27] <QwertyM> mmm, how does one disable maximize and minimize effects in gnome ?
[03:27] <Ashton_K> I'd imagine they work fine though, since ext3 and 2 are open source.
[03:27] <kenThomson> OK
[03:28] <Ashton_K> So open source drivers for windows to write/read ext2 and 3 should be fine.
[03:28] <lupine_85> I know the ext2 one works well
[03:28] <omglol> im trying to setup my wifi card. wifi radar dont show anything. but iwconfig shows the card is detected. whats wrong?
[03:28] <lupine_85> dunno about the ext3 one
[03:28] <Ashton_K> I'm still leary of ntfs-36.
[03:28] <Ashton_K> *3g
[03:28] <kenThomson> One more thing how many of you are on GNOME and on KDE. And what do you recommend form both this environments from your personal experience?
[03:28] <Ashton_K> I don't know why ext3 wouldn't work.
[03:28] <hope13> is the wifi a broadcom?
[03:28] <Ashton_K> Gnome here.
[03:28] <Ashton_K> I want to try Beryl (does that replace X? Or does it replace Gnome?)
[03:28] <lupine_85> omglol: how about sudo iwlist <interface> ?
[03:28] <lupine_85> Ashton_K: neither. it replaces metacity
[03:28] <hope13> x is always with unix
[03:28] <makuseru> is there anyway to add free space on a drive to another partition
[03:28] <hope13> no?
[03:29] <lupine_85> my wifi card doesn't play well with scanning and not being a root user. Quite strange.
[03:29] <kenThomson> makuseru: I dont think so
[03:29] <thoreauputic> makuseru: use gparted from the live CD
[03:29] <slicky> can i install kde when iv already got gnome installed?
[03:29] <kenThomson> People KDE or GNOME, and why?
[03:29] <Lunar_Lamp> kenThomson, kde is more widely used and slightly closer to default windows. I used it for a long time then switched to GNOME when I changed to ubuntu.  It's a bit different, but they are both good imo.  I prefer gnome now as I'm more used to it.
[03:29] <omglol> lupine_85: i get unknown command 'wlan0'
[03:29] <hope13> Gnome cuz it's default with ubuntu lol
[03:29] <lupine_85> erm, add a scan between iwlist and <interface> :)
[03:30] <makuseru> thoreauputic: i want to keep my root partition, im just trying to add space i have to the partition
[03:30] <kenThomson> Lunar_Lamp: I was looking for some strong reasons aside for the lethargy to change defaults, thanks anyways :)
[03:30] <omglol> lupine_85: i get 'no sacn results'
[03:30] <kenThomson> lupine_85: KDE or GNOME and why?
[03:30] <Ashton_K> I prefer Gnome, cleaner.
[03:30] <Ashton_K> Less clutter.
[03:30] <hope13> GNOME cuz it's default
[03:30] <hope13> and it make life easier
[03:30] <hope13> lol
[03:30] <Ashton_K> And I found that Kubuntu for some reason doesn't work quite the same.
[03:30] <slide> Is there anyway to make it so when a file is created in a certain directory, it will automatically take on the owner/group from the parent dir?
[03:30] <Ashton_K> And gave me issues with nvidia-glx.
[03:30] <SmashCat> Hi, anyone here any good with wine? I need to set a virtual desktop for an app, but winecfg has that option greyed out, so I'm wondering where it stores settings so I can do it manually.
[03:30] <lupine_85> kenThomson: either, because life is too short to care
[03:31] <thoreauputic> makuseru: it depends how your partitions are configured, really - tomergae partitions you have to do destructive stuff
[03:31] <eztk> anyone happen to know how to undo xmodmap changes... i tried to disable control + backspace.. but it seems to have messed up certain keys
[03:31] <thoreauputic> makuseru: umm - I meant "to merge partitions"
[03:31] <Ashton_K> What are the differences between ext2, 3, and the new 4 anyways?
[03:31] <makuseru> i have a happer
[03:31] <makuseru> hammer*
[03:31] <makuseru> destructive enough?
[03:31] <hope13> um how can update from 5.10 to 6.10 w/o a blank cd? is there a way?
[03:31] <kenThomson> lupine_85: Apart from philosophy if we could shrink it down to the pragmatic level, why?
[03:32] <thoreauputic> makuseru: heheh - not strong on metaphors are you ;-)
[03:32] <kenThomson> Ashton_K: The Ext3 file system is the Ext2 file system which has been extended by journaling. Ext3 is backward-compatible to Ext2 - an Ext3 volume can be mounted and used as an Ext2 volume. Just as older Linux Kernels which do not know the Ext3 file system can mount Ext3 volumes (as Ext2 volumes), the Ext2 file system driver ext2fs.sys for Windows incorporated in this software package can do...
[03:32] <kenThomson> ...it without any problems, too. Of course you do not take advantage of the journaling of the Ext3 file system if you mount it as an Ext2 file system.
[03:32] <makuseru> thoreauputic: i was being scarcastic
[03:32] <thoreauputic> makuseru: yes, i gathered - so was I :)
[03:32] <Ashton_K> ken, any major advantages to using one, or the other?
[03:32] <_fnord> kubuntu-offtopic
[03:32] <lupine_85> kenThomson: really. use whatever you like
[03:33] <thoreauputic> makuseru: hence the smiley
[03:33] <makuseru> ah
[03:33] <lupine_85> although linus torvalds says use KDE... :p
[03:33] <kenThomson> lupine_85: As far as your choice goes....what do you recommend? (is it really hard to answer me)
[03:33] <kenThomson> lupine_85: yeah i heard that
[03:33] <Ashton_K> Try them both out.
[03:33] <Ashton_K> It's a preference thing.
[03:33] <_fnord> <----loves kde
[03:33] <lupine_85> I only make a recommendation when it's likely to be useful
[03:34] <kenThomson> Ashton_K: Ext2 = newer, safer, journalled.
[03:34] <idlemind> kde seems to flashy to me
[03:34] <kenThomson> Ashton_K: *Make that EXT#
[03:34] <lupine_85> that said, I find that the KDE integrated apps tend to be better than the GNOME integrated aps
[03:34] <Ashton_K> Ext2 is newer?
[03:34] <Ashton_K> Ah, 3.
[03:34] <kenThomson> Ashton_K: *Make that EXT3
[03:34] <lupine_85> so use KDE, why not?
[03:34] <thoreauputic> makuseru: the basic problem is that you can't push one partition into another - you have to destroy something to make space
[03:34] <Ashton_K> (What the hell is Journaling, or would it be hard to explain?)
[03:34] <kitche> Ashton_K: ext3 is being replaced in a while with ext4
[03:34] <lupine_85> it's a record of all your disc operations
[03:34] <_fnord> ive noticed kde runs slower on my computer and other agree,yet people also agree the gnome runs slower on thiers,s try t out see whch one works best
[03:34] <lupine_85> an, ahem, journal of them :p
[03:35] <omglol> lupine_85: i get unknown command 'wlan0' when i do 'iwlist wlan0 scanning
[03:35] <omglol> lupine_85: i get unknown command 'wlan0' when i do 'iwlist wlan0 scanning'
[03:35] <Ashton_K> Lupine, did you strip it down or something?
[03:35] <lupine_85> omglol: iwlist wlan0 scan != iwlist wlan0 scanning
[03:35] <_fnord> kde is great for eyecandy
[03:35] <lupine_85> Ashton_K: no, it was like that OOTB
[03:35] <Ashton_K> Strange.
[03:35] <Ashton_K> Must be a library thing.
[03:35] <makuseru> thoreauputic: well, i only have one partition, the other WAS a partition, i eraced it, so now its just "free"
[03:35] <lupine_85> xubuntu vs. kununtu
[03:35] <lupine_85> erm, kubuntu
[03:36] <omglol> lupine_85: i get no scan results
[03:36] <Ashton_K> Personally, I find Gnome to be better.
[03:36] <thoreauputic> makuseru: then you can expand into the free space
[03:36] <Ashton_K> Cleaner, faster, etc.
[03:36] <makuseru> how?
[03:36] <Ashton_K> But that's just in my experience.
[03:36] <thoreauputic> makuseru: or make it a partition
[03:36] <Ashton_K> (Although SUSE has a pretty freaking nice setup on KDE)
[03:36] <lupine_85> omglol: are you in range of the AP? Is SSID broadcast enabled? any errors in dmesg?
[03:36] <lupine_85> SuSE-- :p
[03:36] <makuseru> thoreauputic: im trying to expand my root into that free space
[03:36] <Ashton_K> I feel like capitalizing the u, so sue me.
[03:36] <thoreauputic> makuseru: is it "next door" ?
[03:36] <makuseru> yes
[03:36] <kenThomson> People: What bittorent clients you use? (i find the choices in GNOME to be extremely limited)
[03:36] <lupine_85> ktorrent
[03:37] <kenThomson> lupine_85: ktorrent looks like sh*t on GNOME :(
[03:37] <makuseru> ktorrent > any other torrent client ever
[03:37] <Ashton_K> Looks aren't important with bittorrent.
[03:37] <Ashton_K> :P
[03:37] <thoreauputic> makuseru: maybe make a new partition, and copy over something from the root partition - like /var/ or /usr or whatever
[03:37] <omglol> lupine_85: im close enough.. on my laptop i can see 3 ap... on my problematic desktop i see none
 you can just use bt
[03:37] <lupine_85> rtorrent?
[03:37] <Ashton_K> Would installing the kde libraries help with those look issues.
[03:37] <Ashton_K> *?
[03:37] <kenThomson> Ashton_K: but it shouldn't hurt my eyes, or should it?
[03:37] <kenThomson> lupine_85: what is that?
[03:37] <thoreauputic> makuseru: of course you would need to fiddle with /etc/fstab and so on
[03:37] <Ashton_K> Eh, doesn't matter, tbh.
[03:38] <lupine_85> !info rtorrent
[03:38] <ubotu> rtorrent: ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.3-1 (edgy), package size 232 kB, installed size 636 kB
[03:38] <Ashton_K> I'd take a text-based torrent client actually.
[03:38] <lupine_85> it's quite nice
[03:38] <Ashton_K> Isn't Azureus open source?
[03:38] <Ashton_K> If so, a lot of trackers trust it.
[03:38] <kenThomson> lupine_85: You use rtorrent or ktorrent?
[03:39] <bushel> i9s there anybody that could help with a setup of a dailup connection ppp?
[03:39] <Ashton_K> That being said, does Beryl even use KDE or Gnome, or is it something proprietary?
[03:39] <lupine_85> kenThomson: ktorrent at home; rtorrent in london
[03:39] <lupine_85> Ashton_K: beryl is WM-independent
[03:39] <Ashton_K> That's what I thought.
[03:39] <lupine_85> it's built on cairo, glib and libwnck  -all open-source
[03:39] <lupine_85> beryl itself is GPL :)
[03:39] <Ashton_K> I knew that.
[03:39] <thoreauputic> makuseru: doing that would free space on your root partition - and once it all works you can erase the original /var/ or /usr  etc
[03:39] <Ashton_K> :P
[03:40] <Ashton_K> That being said.
[03:40] <Ashton_K> 6.10 isn't doing what I need.
[03:40] <Cmweb> Is their any way to limit my networks port 80 to 2KB?   so that when they connect to the internet through my pc they only get 2KB and it does not go any lower or higher. That way we always have a constant speed
[03:40] <Ashton_K> Time to downgrade.
[03:40] <makuseru> thoreauputic: i didnt understand any of that
[03:40] <Ashton_K> Easy way to do it with apt, or should I just find the disc?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> makuseru: hmmm - well maybe it isn't a good idea to do it then :)
[03:40] <makuseru> haha
[03:40] <kenThomson> Ashton_K: and what does it not do?
[03:41] <bushel> if there is anybody that could help with a setup of dailup internet conection, please tell me how to do it :) room _> ppp_setup
[03:41] <Ashton_K> Wireless.
[03:41] <kenThomson> bushel: pppconf
[03:41] <Ashton_K> Seems more powerful, newer kernels, but I'm not going to be available to babysit this machine.
[03:41] <bushel> yes pppconfic
[03:41] <Ashton_K> This is going to someone who will just want it to work, without them fiddling with it.
[03:41] <rtrento> could someone help me with a problem I am having printing in xubuntu
[03:41] <kenThomson> bushel: type "sudo pppconf" at a terminal and follow the wizard
[03:42] <Ashton_K> Easy way to downgrade in apt to Dapper, or is the disc wiser?
[03:42] <thoreauputic> makuseru: I was suggesting shuffling stuff off "root" onto new partitions you create in the free space, then removing the originals afterwards - but you would need to understand what you were doing
[03:42] <makuseru> thoreauputic: is there not a program that will do it?
[03:42] <makuseru> thoreauputic: i dont have enough freespace to do that
[03:42] <thoreauputic> makuseru: several - but you still need to know what you are doing
[03:42] <kitche> Ashton_K: there is no way to downgrade from within you iwll have to doa complete reinstall
[03:42] <Ashton_K> k
[03:43] <Ashton_K> Probably cleaner that way.
[03:43] <thoreauputic> makuseru: how much space do you have?
[03:43] <makuseru> im on a 9gb drive, 2gb is in free space, and the rest is my root
[03:43] <Cmweb> Is their any way to limit my networks port 80 to 2KB?   so that when they connect to the internet through my pc they only get 2KB and it does not go any lower or higher. That way we always have a constant speed
[03:43] <Ashton_K> I'll be back on the other box.
[03:43] <Ashton_K> ... eventually.
[03:43] <thoreauputic> makuseru: how much of the 9GB is used now?
[03:43] <makuseru> 8
[03:43] <thoreauputic> makuseru: hmm - yes well....
[03:44] <thoreauputic> makuseru: how about making the 2GB your /home ? Or part of it?
[03:44] <makuseru> how do i do that?
[03:44] <OkinawaInstructo> does anyone know how to remove xsane without removing ubuntu desktop also... I am having problems getting my scanner to work and somone suggested to remove and reinstall xsane
[03:44] <thoreauputic> makuseru: depends how much data yoou have of course...
[03:45] <makuseru> 8gb
[03:45] <makuseru> ha
[03:45] <jackycxh> hello
[03:45] <bretzel> Centrino Core Duo make things fast! especially @compile-time! :-)
[03:45] <jackycxh> I am newbie to Ubuntu.
[03:45] <thoreauputic> makuseru: running out of ideas here in that case :)
[03:46] <kitche> OkinawaInstructo: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package that is safe to remove
[03:46] <OkinawaInstructo> kitche: thanks, i thought it would remove my desktop also
[03:46] <thoreauputic> makuseru: just make the 2GB a data partition and mount it as /data or something  I guess
[03:46] <nix_ferret> This is probably going to sound pretty handicapped, but... can you use KDE apps if you're using Gnome?
[03:47] <makuseru> how do i do that?
[03:47] <thoreauputic> nix_ferret: sure
[03:47] <SpacePuppy> nix_ferret: yup
[03:47] <thoreauputic> makuseru: *cough* have you looked at gparted? So you have a live CD?
[03:47] <nix_ferret> Is there anything I should know? Like incompatibilities?
[03:47] <bretzel> nix_ferret: uh? you can run kde apps in gnome, and gnome-apps in kde :-)
[03:47] <thoreauputic> !gparted | makuseru
[03:47] <ubotu> makuseru: gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[03:47] <makuseru> i have qtparted
[03:48] <thoreauputic> makuseru: that would be fine
[03:48] <makuseru> i ment how do i mount it
[03:48] <bretzel> thoreauputic -- yeah, last release seems cool to use ( gparted )
[03:48] <thoreauputic> makuseru: put an entry in /etc/fstab for it
[03:48] <rj45> hi my friends
[03:48] <nix_ferret> Ok, cool. Segway into my next one... Can I switch b/w Gnome and KDE in a dynamic sense. Like maybe at boot time?
[03:49] <thoreauputic> makuseru: you can also mount manually with something like  sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hd* /data
[03:49] <thoreauputic> makuseru: but that gets old fast
[03:51] <Valmarko> What is the best dvd player ?
[03:51] <makuseru> valmarko: okie
[03:51] <thoreauputic> Valmarko: hah - matter of opinion
[03:51] <omglol> is the kernel inside /usr/src/linux?
[03:51] <leprasmurf> how can I check if a particular module is loaded?  modprobe -l|grep module ?
[03:51] <makuseru> valmarko: okle**
[03:51] <bretzel> any tried ubuntu based LinuxMint ?
[03:51] <Valmarko> right :) tanks
[03:52] <thoreauputic> Valmarko: vlc, totem-xine, mplayer .....
[03:52] <omglol> where is the ubuntu kernel located
[03:52] <thoreauputic> omglol: /boot
[03:52] <omglol> k
[03:53] <bking39116> hello all!  does anyone have exp. with Brother HL-1440 laser printer and CUPS?
[03:53] <thoreauputic> omglol: the actual kernel is "vmlinuz-* " ( with some numbers)
[03:54] <thoreauputic> !anyone
[03:54] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[03:54] <Rprp> hmm, i tried to install mysqldb, but i fail, so whats wrong with this: http://rafb.net/p/RDQTOh23.html ?
[03:58] <kitche> Rprp: do you have build-essential installed?
[03:58] <Rprp> yes.
[03:58] <kitche> Rprp: you can install the binry package probably be easier for you
[03:59] <kitche> Since there is a lot of syntax errors according to the paste that you posted
[04:00] <Rprp> hm. :?
[04:01] <Rprp> i tried apt-get,... it works. but it says only Connection to MySQL failed (In a script) and the settigns are oke
[04:01] <omglol> i installed wireless drivers for acx100, and when i do iwlist wlan scan i get "Interface doesn't support scanning: Resource temporarily unavailable".  cant figure out :(
[04:02] <omglol> wifi radar doesnt show anything
[04:02] <gouki> omglol: Have you ifconfig wlan up ?
[04:03] <jackycxh> maybe you kernel had not found the new WL device.
[04:03] <jackycxh> omglol: can you find it in dmesg?
[04:03] <omglol> gouki: i did that and i did the scan again and i got "no scan results"
[04:04] <Cmweb> Can any one tell bushel how to install a modem in edgy
[04:04] <Ashton_K> Ole!
[04:04] <gouki> omglol: Just to make sure: iwlist wlan scanning
[04:05] <omglol> jackycxh: i do dmesg | grep wlan0 i get wlan0(WE) driver using old /prov/net/wireless support, please see fix driver
[04:05] <omglol> and wlan0: link is not ready
[04:05] <xyz> can any one help
[04:05] <omglol> gouki: i did that and get the same error
[04:05] <QwertyM> mmm, how does one disable maximize and minimize effects in gnome ?
[04:05] <omglol> gouki: i did that and get the same error: no scan results
[04:06] <xyz>  i get
[04:06] <xyz>  configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[04:06] <Ashton_K> Hooray for watching TV on a computer.
[04:06] <gouki> omglol: Are you sure there are WiFi networks around?
[04:07] <Ashton_K> Slightly important to using a wifi card.
[04:07] <omglol> gouki: my laptop beside me sees 3 networks
[04:07] <omglol> my dmesg says driver using old /prov/net/wireless support, please fix driver"
[04:08] <vaporglow> hello
[04:09] <jackycxh> omglol: maybe something wrong with your driver of WL device.
[04:09] <vaporglow> fast question: is VMware of any use for playing windows games on linux without having to dual boot?
[04:09] <kitche> vaporglow: it's slow
[04:09] <vaporglow> both graphic intense and non graphic intense
[04:09] <idlemind> vaporglow: vmware isn't 3d accel. so most games no
[04:10] <omglol> jackycxh: i followed the acx wiki instructions and used the latest stable driver
[04:10] <vaporglow> so wine is the only option, and a buggy option at best
[04:10] <Ashton_K> Indeed.
[04:10] <Ashton_K> if you want intensive games, dual boot is the only way to go, tbh.
[04:10] <Ashton_K> Especially if you want online.
[04:11] <Ashton_K> Punkbuster reportedly doesn't like you running games on Wine.
[04:11] <QwertyM> mmm, how does one disable maximize and minimize effects in gnome ?
[04:11] <vaporglow> not really worried about playing counterstrike
[04:11] <etunbe> QwertyM: effects?
[04:11] <vaporglow> for instance... would something like starcraft work?
[04:11] <Ashton_K> Counterstrike doesn't use PunkBuster.
[04:11] <Ashton_K> :P
[04:11] <vaporglow> or Civ 4
[04:12] <QwertyM> etunbe, those rectangulr boxes closing on to bottom or going up
[04:12] <QwertyM> default gnome max/min effects
[04:12] <jackycxh> Can you try to downgrade the driver to a lower version.
[04:12] <etunbe> QwertyM: understand... no idea... are they so unconfortable?
[04:13] <QwertyM> etunbe, I find it irritating :)
[04:14] <etunbe> QwertyM: first time i realize they are there... and my machine is 5 years old ;)
[04:14] <QwertyM> haha
[04:15] <aa>  ~~   bb
[04:15] <etunbe> ok, i want to wish all ubuntu users a marry christmas and that 2007 be the year
[04:15] <nix_ferret> marry xmas to u 2
[04:16] <nix_ferret> and merry too
[04:16] <etunbe> hahaha
[04:17] <nix_ferret> Is there a list of good laptops to use w/ ubuntu?
[04:17] <bking39116> how does one solve a "printer not connected; retry in 30 seconds" error with Brother HL-1440 laser connected via USB.  printer will print until it goes to sleep and then will not wake.
[04:17] <bking39116> printint via cups
[04:20] <astroboy>  #slug
[04:20] <Mark1412> I NEED AN .AVI CONVERTER!!!
[04:20] <Mark1412> WHERE CAN I GET ONE
[04:20] <kitche> !shout|mark1412
[04:20] <ubotu> mark1412: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[04:20] <apokryphos> Mark1412: drop the caps please.
[04:20] <etunbe> nix_ferret: may be www.linux-laptop.net?
[04:20] <Mark1412> :) merry christmas
[04:21] <lupine_85> Mark1412: mencoder
[04:21] <Mark1412> ty
[04:21] <lupine_85> you already have one, probably
[04:21] <Cmweb> can some one test my irc server? cmweb.zapto.org the channel: #mshome
[04:22] <apokryphos> Cmweb: not the place to be asking that. This is an Ubuntu support channel.
[04:22] <apokryphos> you could perhaps try in #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:22] <Cmweb> i know but i get no feedback in the offtopic
[04:22] <apokryphos> Cmweb: that doesn't make this place the right place.
[04:22] <toulouse> lol he just wants someone to test it
[04:22] <Cmweb> !iacd
[04:22] <Ashton_K> Only if the IRC server is run on Ubuntu.
[04:22] <ubotu> iacd: IRC Server. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.26-5 (edgy), package size 66 kB, installed size 280 kB
[04:22] <Ashton_K> :P
[04:22] <tsukoharu> can someone please help me
[04:22] <Cmweb> dang
[04:22] <apokryphos> !helpme
[04:22] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:23] <etunbe> tsukoharu: no money
[04:23] <tsukoharu> im looking to format my hd with ubuntu on it, but i dont know how to make a windows partition
[04:23] <Ashton_K> Install windows first.
[04:23] <Ashton_K> Then Ubuntu.
[04:23] <zzzerotime> hi, I have a nvidia ck8s soundcard integrated in my motherboard, under windows it can get up to 5.1, but under linux, its not even getting 2.1, but just 2.0, so only the 2 front speakers sound, how can i fix this? I have checked that surround and center control volumes are set
[04:23] <tsukoharu> i cant
[04:23] <Ashton_K> Because....?
[04:23] <tsukoharu> when i put in the cd nothing happens
[04:23] <Ashton_K> Check your BIOS.
[04:23] <tsukoharu> then again the cd player doesnt work at all since i installed ubuntu
[04:23] <toulouse> check the bios
[04:23] <Ashton_K> Make sure the boot order is set so CD is before harddrive.
[04:24] <zzzerotime> Ashton_K, any idea?
[04:24] <linux_user400354> why would someone do make oldconfig and then run make menuconfig. are they using an old config or making a new one?
[04:24] <kitche> linux_user400354: they are using the old config as a base for menuconfig
[04:24] <linux_user400354> kitche: is that what you do?
[04:25] <kitche> linux_user400354: no I load my old config right in menuconfig makes it easier
[04:25] <Ashton_K> No, I'm not very good with soundcards.
[04:25] <kitche> Cmweb: doesn't work
[04:25] <Cmweb> in iacd how do i become a registerd user
[04:25] <Cmweb> danget dam firewall
[04:26] <linux_user400354> kitche: since its my first time and i dont have a .config yet, i probably should use a base config. what do you think?
[04:26] <IndyGunFreak> yeah, but just think how much nonsense that firewall has kept off your PC.
[04:26] <kitche> linux_user400354: make oldconfig should bring int he config that is in /proc if that's where ubuntu stores it
[04:26] <Cmweb> kitche, try again please
[04:26] <FunnyLookinHat> !grue | Cmweb
[04:26] <ubotu> Cmweb: The grue is a sinister, lurking presence in the dark places of the earth. Its favorite diet is adventurers, but its insatiable appetite is tempered by its fear of light. No grue has ever been seen by the light of day, and few have survived its fearsome jaws to tell the tale. Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grue_(monster)
[04:28] <GRUE> fairly clever i guess
[04:30] <tsukoharu> how do i access my bios
[04:30] <NoPulp> :p
[04:30] <tsukoharu> i try different f keys none work >.<
[04:30] <NoPulp> delete somtimes
[04:30] <xlr8n4d> Please please please santa bring me a linux distro that I am smart enough to load and not have to keep pestering the forums and IRC chat about.
[04:30] <NoPulp> santa uses OpenBSD
[04:31] <vaporglow> lol
[04:31] <Ashton_K> I want a shirt that says "Can't sleep, may be eaten by Grues"
[04:31] <xlr8n4d> tsukoharu, might have luck with esc or del keys.
[04:31] <NoPulp> i have many openBSD shirts
[04:31] <omglol> whre should i put my wireless' firmware?
[04:32] <vaporglow> mmmm zork
[04:32] <Ashton_K> Try /usr/src/modules?
[04:32] <tsukoharu> none work
[04:32] <NoPulp> what type of computer is it tsukohara ?
[04:32] <tsukoharu> can someone tell me which key to press for a thinkpad?
[04:32] <Ashton_K> Don't you hate forgetting the space before you put a directory location in IRC, and it simply says "No such command"
[04:32] <tsukoharu> none seem to work
[04:32] <tsukoharu> NoPulp: its a thinkpad770
[04:34] <NoPulp>  ThinkPad 770, 770E/ED. ... To enter the Easy-Setup BIOS utility, press and hold the F1 key, then turn on the computer
[04:34] <IndyGunFreak> Whats the name of that program for Kubuntu, that is like gdesklets for Ubuntu?
[04:34] <IndyGunFreak> its on the end of my tongue.
[04:34] <Ashton_K> superkarumba
[04:34] <IndyGunFreak> thats it, thank you
[04:34] <NoPulp> yeah
[04:34] <NoPulp> karamba
[04:34] <Ashton_K> Oh yeah, what was the name of that yahoo-widget like program that's not stable yet, jackfield was it?
[04:35] <tsukoharu> NoPulp: i remember doing this before; there is no option for which order the cd etc boot up; its called "simple bios" for a reason
[04:35] <neuratix> hows the syntax for the "Contains the text:" field in the gnome search thingy ?
[04:35] <IndyGunFreak> ok, one other stupid question,
[04:36] <Ashton_K> tsukoharu, you might in trouble then.
[04:36] <Ashton_K> :P
[04:36] <Ashton_K> Uhhh, remove HD, boot CD, put HD back in, mount, go?
[04:36] <IndyGunFreak> I have Ubuntu 6.10, with the Gnome and KDE and Xfce interface installed, all side by side.
[04:36] <IndyGunFreak> how do i accessthe online wallpapers you have access to in KDE
[04:36] <tsukoharu> ashton: cant i just format ubuntu
[04:37] <tsukoharu> ever since i installed ubuntu i had problems with video, sound, floppy etc
[04:37] <Ashton_K> Well, I know Ubuntu you can read/write NTFS.
[04:37] <Ashton_K> I dunno if formatting is a possibility.
[04:37] <tsukoharu> bull
[04:37] <tsukoharu> :_:
[04:37] <tsukoharu> then how the heck am i gonna get my network card to work
[04:37] <IndyGunFreak> why would formatting not be a possibility?
[04:37] <Ashton_K> Because he can't boot to a CD.
[04:38] <Ashton_K> Oh, I don't know if Ubuntu can format NTFS.
[04:38] <IndyGunFreak> uggly... thats why Linux should always have its own dedicated drive.
[04:38] <tsukoharu> idk my bro did everything for me
[04:38] <tsukoharu> he lives in another state
[04:38] <IndyGunFreak> its nice to partition drives, etc, butif you can't live w/o windows, which when most of us are spreading our wings, we can't, its best to buy another hard drive for Linux
[04:39] <omglol> how do i copy a directory? i did cp default default2 and i got "cp: omitting directory 'default'"
[04:39] <tsukoharu> its not that i dont like linux
[04:39] <Cheste1> hello, could anybody tell me how can i disable the maximizing and minimizing frame effects of nautilus windows in gnome
[04:39] <tsukoharu> i dont like any os if i cant get on the dam internet
[04:39] <Ashton_K> Indy, or for those of us who game.
[04:39] <IndyGunFreak> Ashton_K: definitely
[04:39] <IndyGunFreak> tetris is the extent of my gaming...lol, and Ubuntu has like 3 different versions of that, so i'm happy..lol
[04:40] <lupine_85> omglol: cp -a
[04:40] <tsukoharu> so am i screwed then
[04:40] <omglol> k
[04:41] <Cheste1> could anybody tell me how can i disable the maximizing and minimizing frame effects of nautilus windows in gnome
[04:42] <isai> Chestel, I don't think you can...the only guy I knew who did it commented out the code and recompiled it (metacity).
[04:42] <NoPulp> thinkpad 770 should be able to boot from cd .... google says so so it must be true
[04:42] <isai> Chestel, admittedly that was a while back.
[04:42] <graft> argh... why do these madwifi drivers work so poorly? i'm always getting this 'NETDEV_UP ath0: link is not ready' error, and then i usually have to reboot
[04:42] <graft> anyone seen that before?
[04:42] <Cheste1> isai dude i did that before through gconf-editor
[04:43] <Cheste1> but can't the setting right now
[04:43] <Cheste1> can't find*
[04:43] <isai> Chestel, yeah like I said it was awhile back... :)
[04:43] <tsukoharu> hmm
[04:43] <toulouse> hey guys, how would i join this room throught gaim?
[04:43] <toulouse> im using xchat-gnome
[04:43] <Cheste1> any way you could help me find the setting in gconf-editor
[04:43] <cafuego_> toulouse:  add channel
[04:44] <cafuego_> toulouse: or add chat
[04:44] <Strykerz> Is the pool open or closed?
[04:44] <isai> ill see if I can find it, I dont like it either.
[04:44] <toulouse> okies
[04:44] <cafuego_> Strykerz: closed, it's far too cold
[04:44] <Cheste1> thank
[04:44] <Cheste1> you
[04:44] <Strykerz> due to what?
[04:44] <Strykerz> stingrays or AIDS?
[04:44] <toulouse> hey cafuego, do i go to join chat?
[04:45] <cafuego_> Strykerz: excessive trolls
[04:45] <kitche> toulouse: you just type in /join #ubuntu and you will join when you connect to freenode
[04:45] <toulouse> erkkk im not too great at working gaim i'll give it a shot
[04:45] <omglol> where do i find my hotplug scripts?
[04:46] <bruenig> toulouse, gaim is pretty hard...
[04:46] <thoreauputic> toulouse: xchat is much better for Irc anyway....
[04:46] <toulouse> ok
[04:46] <toulouse> gaim seems simple
[04:46] <toulouse> but i cant find where to type join
[04:46] <thoreauputic> toulouse: it's limited for irc
[04:46] <NoPulp> gaim is annoying for IRC
[04:46] <toulouse> ok
[04:46] <toulouse> i'll just use xchat
[04:46] <toulouse> thanks
[04:46] <toulouse> i gtg
[04:46] <toulouse> anyways
[04:46] <thoreauputic> toulouse: wise decision :)
[04:48] <Shadowpillar> Strykerz: lol 7chan?
[04:49] <Jimerson> wow 800+ users..
[04:49] <NoPulp> im hungry :(
[04:49] <Jimerson> Is there a mac specific channel?
[04:49] <Shadowpillar> pos network card died
[04:50] <tsukoharu> NoPulp: it has a crappy thing called "easy setup"
[04:50] <tsukoharu> i dont see anything for cd rom
[04:50] <tsukoharu> let alone for anything i need to change
[04:50] <NoPulp> how old is it ?
[04:50] <tsukoharu> 1998
[04:50] <tsukoharu> but the thing is it worked yesterday when i had windows
[04:50] <NoPulp> doie it have a floppy ?
[04:50] <NoPulp> does
[04:51] <tsukoharu> NoPulp: external
[04:51] <tsukoharu> doesnt work either
[04:51] <Jimerson> Anyone familiar with wireless networking on a G5?
[04:51] <tsukoharu> are u telling me there is no internal command
[04:51] <tsukoharu> to format the hard drive ubuntu lies on
[04:51] <lupine_85> mkfs.<fs> /dev/<devicefile>
[04:51] <Strykerz> Jimerson sur
[04:51] <Strykerz> sure
[04:51] <Strykerz> /rm -rf
[04:52] <Strykerz> does wonders
[04:52] <Jimerson> ok
[04:52] <Jimerson> Thank you
[04:52] <Ashton_K> Of course, it'll also screw you over.
[04:52] <Ashton_K> Be careful.
[04:53] <dabaR> Jimerson: what card do you have?
[04:53] <tsukoharu> im screwed :P
[04:53] <tsukoharu> there is 2 choices
[04:53] <Ashton_K> Common feeling.
[04:53] <Jimerson> Airport extreme
[04:53] <tsukoharu> to get windows so my network card works
[04:53] <tsukoharu> or somehow magically make my ethernet adapter work for ubuntu
[04:54] <NoPulp> why dosent the ethernet work ?
[04:54] <tsukoharu> i cant install it
[04:54] <tsukoharu> my bro said there is no module for it in ubuntu
[04:54] <em1258> hello ;)
[04:54] <kitche> tsukoharu: what chipset is on your ethernet or what card do you have
[04:54] <dabaR> Jimerson: is it Broadcom BCM4311?
[04:54] <em1258> folks, what is the package to install all the X server stuff?
[04:55] <xdragonx> can someone help me with drivers for my 9550 ati card?
[04:55] <tsukoharu> dynex dx-e201 network pc card
[04:55] <kitche> em1258: xorg
[04:55] <linux_user400354> what is ipc namespaces?
[04:55] <cafuego_> tsukoharu: what does 'lspci' say about the chipset?
[04:55] <Jimerson> dabar: I'm unsure how to check that. Is there a terminal command from os x I can use to check that?
[04:55] <tsukoharu> kitche dynex dx-e201 network pc card
[04:55] <hope13> what does df stand for?
[04:56] <xdragonx> please?
[04:56] <kitche> hope13: disk free
[04:56] <tsukoharu> cafuego let me see
[04:56] <dabaR> em1258: I think x-window-system-core
[04:56] <cafuego_> linux_user400354: namepaces for IPC, so you can have separate IPC segments for various apps
[04:56] <odat> hi everyone
[04:56] <xdragonx> does 9550 use composite?
[04:56] <hope13> ooo thx
[04:56] <odat> is the 64bit version worth it?
[04:57] <cafuego_> odat: Not if you want flash and java in your web browser
[04:57] <em1258> dabar: that don't exist ;0
[04:57] <linux_user400354> cafuego_ im lost
[04:57] <em1258> kitche xorg doesnt exist either
[04:57] <cafuego_> linux_user400354: select the option in the kernel and press 'help'.
[04:57] <dabaR> x-window-system-core exists here. or just install ubuntu-desktop if you want gnome too
[04:57] <sleepytom> Is there a way to get an internet connection when running Windows via VMware?
[04:57] <odat> so nothing is ready for 64 bit then
[04:57] <xdragonx> im using ubuntu 6.10 edgy, do i need "composite" "0" in my xorg.conf
[04:57] <odat> i thought everything was backward compatible
[04:57] <dabaR> !info x-window-system-core
[04:57] <ubotu> x-window-system-core: transitional package for Debian etch. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:7.1.1ubuntu6.2 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 44 kB
[04:58] <cafuego_> odat: That seems a bit of a generalisation
[04:58] <xdragonx> or "true" or "false" or "1"
[04:58] <em1258> dabar - thank u. i had mispelled it ;)
[04:58] <tsukoharu> cafuego: pretty much i just bought this new card, i put it in ubuntu doesnt recognize it so it doesnt even turn on :P
[04:58] <julian__> has anyone here ever worked in gentoo
[04:58] <em1258> how come installing things like GNOME doesn't get xorg installed?
[04:58] <odat> cafuego, in other words 64 bit is just to much of a headache?
[04:58] <em1258> julian- yea
[04:58] <dabaR> Jimerson: ask cafuego
[04:58] <tsukoharu> cafuego its a pcmcia card
[04:59] <cafuego_> odat: it pretty much is, except neither java nor flash are open, so unless SUn and Adobe pull their fingers out...
[04:59] <julian__> do u think compiling the software is worth it for the speed increase
[04:59] <jkelly> hello everyone, im having trouble setting up the wireless device in ubuntu. im using an intel mac mini. the device doesnt seem to be recognised. i think it may be a hardware fault.
[04:59] <cafuego_> odat: Oh no, it works fine provided you use free software.
[04:59] <xdragonx> 64bit only allows for accessing larger partitions and more memory, if you dont have that... dont bother (from what i hear)
[04:59] <em1258> julian- compiling the software is horrible
[04:59] <julian__> yea
[04:59] <em1258> it takes so long to try anything
[04:59] <julian__> i have tried it a few times
[04:59] <em1258> i JUST got rid of it
[04:59] <odat> ok then thanks guys
[04:59] <Jimerson> cafuego_: hello, is there a way to check exactly which airport extreme card I am using in my G5?
[04:59] <xdragonx> now about my problem? anyone?
[05:00] <julian__> i have everything working on my lappy with dapper
[05:00] <cafuego_> Jimerson: Ondountedly a Broadcom 4318
[05:00] <em1258> whats dapper
[05:00] <julian__> but i want to learn another distro
[05:00] <julian__> ubuntu 6.06 dapper drake
[05:00] <em1258> ah
[05:00] <xdragonx> <<<keeps getting Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:00] <xdragonx> direct rendering: No
[05:00] <xdragonx>  with glxinfo | grep rendering
[05:00] <Jimerson> ok, thank you.
[05:00] <Cmweb> where is the iacd config file?
[05:00] <em1258> so Ubutnu from the CD doesnt install a desktop, right?
[05:00] <tsukoharu> cafuego any ideas?
[05:01] <cafuego_> tsukoharu: not really, google perhaps.
[05:01] <tsukoharu> cafuego tried...
[05:01] <kitche> em1258: sure it does unless you use server install
[05:01] <julian__> does for me
[05:01] <julian__> gnome
[05:01] <em1258> it didnt for me!
[05:01] <em1258> wtf
[05:01] <julian__> which image did u use
[05:01] <em1258> i dunno ;) i got some CD
[05:01] <tsukoharu> can someone please help me install an ethernet card for my laptop... ubuntu doesnt recognize
[05:01] <xdragonx> what is the card tsuko?
[05:01] <julian__> do you know what version
[05:02] <hope13> is it broadcom? lol
[05:02] <em1258> julian - how do i tell
[05:02] <xdragonx> ouch broadcom... i had to use wrapper to get it working
[05:02] <julian__> well is it an official disk or did you burn it yourself
[05:02] <em1258> i downloaded and burnt it some time ago
[05:03] <em1258> s
[05:03] <hope13> check your vendor website for your wireless card name? lol
[05:03] <julian__> hmm... so you installed, then when you booted you had no desktop?
[05:03] <tsukoharu> xdragonx any ideas?
[05:03] <em1258> yeah correct
[05:03] <hope13> um when I type mount i get this : /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[05:04] <julian__> do you have an ati video card
[05:04] <em1258> me? no. savage
[05:04] <hope13> is this a bad thing? lol
[05:04] <hope13> i can't locate boot
[05:04] <julian__> what happened when you ran startx command
[05:04] <omglol> anyone have experience setting up acx100 based wireless card?
[05:04] <xdragonx> if its wireless and broadcom...gl
[05:04] <thoreauputic> hope13: not in itself - but you should get a lot of other stuff as well
[05:04] <tsukoharu> xdragonx mines wired
[05:04] <omglol> anyone have experience setting up acx100 based wireless card? its a dlink dwl 520+
[05:05] <em1258> i dont have startx ;)
[05:05] <hope13> yeah i got lotsa other stuff just that i can't locate boot
[05:05] <thoreauputic> hope13: cd /boot
[05:05] <hope13> oh thx
[05:05] <pianoboy3333> Can anyone here help me with something in inkscape?
[05:05] <thoreauputic> hope13: it's probably on your / partition :)
[05:05] <hope13> henry thoreau?
[05:05] <thoreauputic> hope13: inspired by
[05:05] <tsukoharu> xdragonx i just dont know what to do to make ubuntu recognize it
[05:05] <hope13> nice
[05:05] <xdragonx> hmm good question, i know i barely got mine working and i messed with it for a week first
[05:06] <hope13> thx again
[05:06] <thoreauputic> np :)
[05:06] <xdragonx> i heard their wireless you have to run a program to pull code out of their windows drivers even so its not alot of support i think
[05:06] <tsukoharu> xdragonx ??
[05:06] <julian__> i dont know what the prob is
[05:06] <em1258> is it normal for ubuntu that i can't SU but I can sudo?
[05:06] <thoreauputic> em1258: yes
[05:06] <em1258> why
[05:07] <thoreauputic> !root > em1258
[05:07] <em1258> can that be changed?
[05:07] <xdragonx> one thing to try is google the card ..i got most of my info from that
[05:07] <tsukoharu> xdragonx What about wired ethernet cards?? how do i make it work with ubuntu :(
[05:07] <thoreauputic> em1258: check the pm ubotu sent you
[05:07] <em1258> thanks
[05:07] <Acidictadpole> does anyone know a good theme package from apt?
[05:07] <em1258> I will check it once I have a normal browser
[05:07] <thoreauputic> Acidictadpole: theme for what ?
[05:07] <xdragonx> <<<put in x1300 card no glitches..but cant get this 9550 to work for anything
[05:07] <isai> hmm, I can't seem to find out how to get rid of gnome minimize animation...
[05:08] <khaije1> i need a simple gui fw apps that will allow me to control incoming and outgoing connections on Edgy... any reccomendations?
[05:08] <Acidictadpole> thoreauputic: ubuntu. Just some additions for System -> Pref.. -> Theme
[05:08] <tsukoharu> xdragon
[05:08] <khaije1> I'm using firestarter now, but it doesn't manage outgoing :-(
[05:08] <tsukoharu> what do i do
[05:08] <thoreauputic> !gnome-art | Acidictadpole
[05:08] <ubotu> gnome-art: install GNOME themes from art.gnome.org. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2-3 (edgy), package size 26 kB, installed size 200 kB
[05:08] <foglight> em1258: you have to set a password for root to use `su`
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Acidictadpole: or just look on the URL in that factoid
[05:08] <em1258> fog- thanks
[05:08] <tsukoharu> gahhh, can anyone tell me how to install my ethernet card, ive been trying for hours noone is talking to me :(
[05:09] <thoreauputic> foglight: no, you can use su to switch users too
[05:09] <Acidictadpole> thoreauputic: so look at the link rather than apt-get install gnome-art
[05:09] <em1258> fog: NICE. works like a charm ;)
[05:09] <foglight> thoreauputic: ^^
[05:09] <IndyGunFreak> tsukoharu, wht type of card is a good start
[05:09] <xdragonx> tsuko...goto the private message i sent you
[05:09] <thoreauputic> foglight: e,g.  su alterego or whatever
[05:09] <neuratix> (tsukoharu: most likely it just works)
[05:10] <em1258> if I remove a package in apt, does it remove everything which depends on it?
[05:10] <pianoboy3333> Can anyone here help me with something in inkscape? I'm having a problem ungrouping and regrouping the group in http://piano.juicemedia.tv/junk/windowicontext.svg
[05:10] <tsukoharu> xdragon i never got a private message
[05:10] <neuratix> em1258: i don't think so
[05:10] <tsukoharu> says i need to be registered
[05:10] <thoreauputic> foglight: I didn't say you didn't need to set a password for root - I said su can be used for other purposes :)
[05:10] <xdragonx> hmm thats odd try sending one to me
[05:10] <em1258> neuratix: is there a way to achieve that?
[05:10] <foglight> thoreauputic: ya sudo can do the same thing
[05:10] <pianoboy3333> sorry, that's http://piano.juicemedia.tv/junk/windowbuttontext.svg
[05:10] <tsukoharu> xdragon get it?
[05:10] <thoreauputic> foglight: sudo -u  yes
[05:11] <neuratix> yeah, but i cant remember it :) someone else here knows it i'm sure
[05:11] <tsukoharu> did u get it dragon?
[05:11] <xdragonx> no i didnt  :/
[05:11] <neuratix> em1258: oh
[05:11] <thoreauputic> em1258: install stuff with aptitude - it removes deps on uninstall
[05:11] <tsukoharu> says i need 2 register
[05:11] <neuratix> em1258: sory, i misread
[05:12] <em1258> thorea: nice
[05:12] <tsukoharu> whatg did u say in the private chat
[05:12] <thoreauputic> em1258: edgy has the --autoremove switch to apt-get IIRC
[05:12] <xdragonx> mainly was just trying to explain to try to use a wrapper on it
[05:12] <xdragonx> that is your best bet for unsupported hardware
[05:12] <thoreauputic> em1258: aptitude is a good habit though IMO
[05:13] <tsukoharu> how do i do that?
[05:13] <xdragonx> now if i can figure out why i can get my ati x1300 to work but not this 9550 ill be set..and windows will be complete history
[05:13] <foglight> will synaptic remove deps too?
[05:13] <pianoboy3333> Can anyone here help me with something in inkscape? I'm having a problem ungrouping and regrouping the group in http://piano.juicemedia.tv/junk/windowbuttontext.svg
[05:14] <xdragonx> thoreau??? are you good with vid cards?
[05:14] <foglight> aptitude is annoying
[05:14] <foglight> apt-get++
[05:15] <_fnord> i know theres a better place but i just installed beryl,and its not working,could i show someones something in #flood?
[05:15] <jkelly> can anyone help me get wireless to work with an intel mac mini?
[05:16] <kyncani> foglight: debfoster will work well with synaptic
[05:16] <_fnord> jkelly: find out your wifi cards make/model
[05:16] <_fnord> i would ask in ubuntu-xgl but it dead
[05:17] <tsukoharu> xdragon what do u mean by using a wrapper??
[05:17] <tsukoharu> see im not that great with linux...
[05:17] <Cmweb> kitche, sorry about that i figured out what i did and i got it to restart right
[05:17] <hope13> a wrapper is something that wrap around something lol
[05:17] <foglight> kyncani: thanks
[05:17] <_fnord> a wrapper goes around a driver for another os then trys to make it work,if im corect
[05:17] <hope13> since the driver is not open source people reverse engineer it no
[05:18] <jkelly> _fnord: could this be it? 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device 001c
[05:18] <foglight> tsukoharu: i think they are referring to ndiswrapper
[05:18] <tsukoharu> fnord, mind giving me a tutorial?
[05:18] <_fnord> yup know you should google that + linux
[05:18] <hope13> oh yeah google ndiswrapper
[05:18] <tsukoharu> or something
[05:19] <hope13> there are lotsa tutorial how to blacklist broadcom
[05:19] <_fnord> and try to find out if other people have had the smae problem and how they fixed it
[05:19] <foglight> tsukoharu: apt-get install ndisgtk
[05:19] <kyncani> foglight: np :)
[05:19] <tsukoharu> i cant!
[05:19] <_fnord> wifi cards have been anoying me for a while
[05:19] <tsukoharu> i dont have an ethernet card installed
[05:19] <hope13> oh
[05:19] <tsukoharu> thats what im trying to install
[05:19] <hope13> ok i'll google it
[05:19] <hope13> wait
[05:20] <hope13> how are you online?
[05:20] <hope13> >,>
[05:20] <em1258> I am not that excited about this ubuntu/ what else is a good distro? ;)
[05:20] <tsukoharu> im using my other computer
[05:20] <foglight> em1258: kubuntu?
[05:20] <em1258> fog: wats the difference?
[05:20] <_fnord> jkelly: type in iwconfig and post the results in #flood
[05:20] <em1258> kde-centric?
[05:21] <foglight> ya
[05:21] <NoPulp> em1258 :  ubuntu grows on you   give it a chance ...
[05:21] <em1258> NoPulp - i am dissapointed. something is f-ed up w. aptget
[05:21] <NoPulp> what is ?
[05:21] <Ashton_K> Honestly, what the heck is going on?!?
[05:21] <ubuntu> em1258: kubuntu is good
[05:21] <Ashton_K> This wireless card, is driving me nuts.
[05:21] <jkelly> _fnord: its ok, i think it works now. ill be back in a while to tell you if its working or not.
[05:21] <_fnord> in beryl what does this mean?: root@fluxbuntu:/home/fnord# iwXGL Absent, checking for NVIDIA
[05:21] <PORDO> when I run Ekiga or Gizmo, the audio sputters..it sounds awful.  but if i run twinkle or linphone, it's fine.  anyone know what the problem could be?
[05:22] <_fnord> if you just typed in that comand it wouldent of changed anyhting
[05:22] <Ashton_K> First it didn't work in 6.10. Then after a fresh install it worked. My dad ran the updates, it quit working. He used the 6.06 live disc it worked, we installed and it doesn't.
[05:22] <Ashton_K> What the heck is going on here?!?
[05:22] <apocryphal> what chipset?
[05:22] <Ashton_K> Atheros.
[05:22] <apocryphal> oh
[05:22] <hope13> for broadcom wireless: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=462995&highlight=broadcom
[05:22] <apocryphal> i had to fight to get my bcm4xx to work
[05:22] <hope13> it also show how to use ndiswrapper
[05:22] <PORDO> anyone know how to add dmix support to my /etc/asound.conf file?
[05:22] <tsukoharu> you know i am so lost...people are talking about wrappers to help me get my ethernet card online, i cant get ndiswrapper cause i donjt have ndiswrapper to begin with; either way im messed
[05:23] <Ashton_K> Will I have to bite the bullet and ndiswrap it?
[05:23] <Ashton_K> I mean, it SHOULD be supported by default.
[05:23] <joejaxx> _fnord: i hope you are not running as root
[05:23] <Ashton_K> Ubuntu claims it is.
[05:23] <apocryphal> i dunno
[05:23] <tsukoharu> i have a wired ethernet card...
[05:23] <whyameye> Ashton_K: this isn't a Mac, is it?
[05:23] <_fnord> yup ill try againe lol
[05:23] <Ashton_K> No.
[05:23] <Ashton_K> i386
[05:24] <kyncani> tsukoharu: edgy would not detect my ethernet card here either, but feisty has
[05:24] <kohr_> how do i mount a usb device?
[05:24] <joejaxx> kohr_: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk
[05:24] <kohr_> oh
[05:24] <kohr_> cool t
[05:24] <kohr_> thanks
[05:24] <joejaxx> kohr_: if /media/usbdisk does not exist then sudo mkdir -p /media/usbdisk then do the mount commandline
[05:25] <joejaxx> kohr_: you are most welcome
[05:25] <tsukoharu> kynanci edgy?
[05:25] <julian__> any good games to dl
[05:25] <hope13> for linux?
[05:25] <julian__> yea
[05:25] <tsukoharu> kynan, whats edgy :P
[05:25] <kyncani> !tell tsukoharu about edgy
[05:25] <hope13> lol
[05:25] <etunbe> merry christmas again
[05:25] <hope13> maybe if you have crossover
[05:25] <tsukoharu> gr
[05:25] <tsukoharu> i cant update
[05:25] <Ashton_K> !tsukoharu edgy
[05:25] <hope13> you can play steam or wow
[05:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tsukoharu edgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:25] <tsukoharu> i dont have internet
[05:25] <Ashton_K> !tsukoharu | edgy
[05:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tsukoharu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:26] <kyncani> tsukoharu: edgy is ubuntu 6.10
[05:26] <tsukoharu> my laptop isnt recognizing my cd player even
[05:26] <Ashton_K> !edgy | tsukoharu
[05:26] <ubotu> tsukoharu: Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[05:26] <Ashton_K> There we go.
[05:26] <etunbe> tsukoharu: no internet at all?
[05:26] <julian__> whats the best game in the repos
[05:26] <kohr_> special device /dev/sd1 does not exist
[05:26] <tsukoharu> why do u think i need to install the ethernet card
[05:26] <hope13> how come you can talk on irc?
[05:26] <tsukoharu> its either thator i switch back to windows
[05:26] <apocryphal> bzflag is okay
[05:26] <Ashton_K> kohr, check through your /dev folder and find it.
[05:26] <tsukoharu> im on my friends pc
[05:26] <apocryphal> i think that's in the stock repos
[05:26] <NoPulp> plug it in tsukoharu .. your laptop is really old   :(
[05:26] <julian__> rpg?
[05:26] <apocryphal> tank game
[05:26] <joejaxx> kohr_: /dev/sda1
[05:26] <ubuntu> !feisty
[05:26] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[05:26] <tsukoharu> nopulp i need that laptop;
[05:26] <joejaxx> kohr_: you forgot the "a"
[05:27] <etunbe> is there a flight simulator on linux?
[05:27] <als> great nn is on :D
[05:27] <julian__> il check it out
[05:27] <tsukoharu> there HAS to be  a way to install windows back then!
[05:27] <kohr_> joejaxx, no i didn't, there is no sda
[05:27] <hope13> get a window cd
[05:27] <apocryphal> tsuko, why don't you download ndiswrapper and the driver and port it over to your laptop with a usb drive or something?
[05:27] <apocryphal> and install it manually?
[05:28] <joejaxx> kohr_: 20:26 < kohr_> special device /dev/sd1 does not exist
[05:28] <tsukoharu> i HAVE a windows cd!!  it wont boot
[05:28] <kohr_> joejaxx there is snd, shm, ttyb, ptyqc
[05:28] <hope13> lol
[05:28] <kohr_> yeah, i typed that, not copied that
[05:28] <tsukoharu> because ubuntu wont let it
[05:28] <joejaxx> kohr_: ah ok
[05:28] <apocryphal> won't let it?
[05:28] <tsukoharu> idk
[05:28] <joejaxx> kohr_: there is not a sda?
[05:28] <tsukoharu> it just goes directly to the ubuntu load
[05:28] <joejaxx> kohr_: :\
[05:28] <tsukoharu> it skips over the cd
[05:28] <kohr_> none
[05:28] <ubuntu> !breezy
[05:28] <ubotu> breezy was the third release of Ubuntu. Version 5.10, codename "Breezy Badger"
[05:28] <apocryphal> that's probably a bios issue
[05:29] <apocryphal> or your windows disk isn't bootable
[05:29] <PORDO> what is this all about? The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:29] <PORDO>   farsight0.1-plugins-rtp: Depends: gstreamer0.10-plugins-good (= 0.10.3-0ubuntu4) but 0.10.4-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[05:29] <kohr_> i have multiple usb drives, 3 i think
[05:29] <tsukoharu> bios
[05:29] <xlr8n4d> hey apocryphal, I think I have the the ndiswrapper and the native driver for mine that us made for Windows XP, how do I make it work if you will tell me before I have to get a Ubuntu For Dummies book in my stalking?
[05:29] <tsukoharu> because it boots on this pc
[05:29] <apocryphal> well, every driver is a little different; i would probably read the documentation with it rather than a general guide
[05:30] <tsukoharu> gr, can someone do an apt-cache search on dynex
[05:30] <apocryphal> tsukoharu: you can switch the boot order in the bios pretty simply
[05:30] <tsukoharu> see if they come up with anything
[05:30] <tsukoharu> apo, with my laptop ohohoho no u cant
[05:30] <tsukoharu> the bios is a piece of shit
[05:30] <apocryphal> no?  o_o
[05:30] <joejaxx> !tell tsukoharu about language
[05:30] <tsukoharu> tis called "easy boot"
[05:30] <apocryphal> well, there might be a separate startup key you have to hit or something to bring up the boot menu
[05:30] <xlr8n4d> Must be an Averatec huh, I got one of those.
[05:30] <apocryphal> instead of going into the bios
[05:31] <_fnord> joejaxx: i exited root yet im still haveing probs
[05:31] <tsukoharu> apo, thats where im stuck
[05:31] <tsukoharu> i cant find out how
[05:31] <joejaxx> _fnord: well since you are on fluxbuntu you are on dapper right?
[05:31] <apocryphal> hmm, what kind of bios is it?
[05:31] <_fnord> joejaxx:  XGL Absent, checking for NVIDIA
[05:31] <_fnord> its not really flux
[05:31] <_fnord> yet
[05:31] <apocryphal> (wine is taking about 30min to compile so far... sigh)
[05:31] <_fnord> 6.06
[05:31] <Senesence> Anyone know anything about 3COM hubs?
[05:31] <tsukoharu> u mean my laptop model? idk what kind of bios it is
[05:31] <_fnord> ignore the flux lol
[05:31] <apocryphal> sure, how about the laptop model
[05:31] <tsukoharu> thinkpad 770
[05:31] <apocryphal> mmk
[05:32] <_fnord> joejaxx:
[05:32] <_fnord> Nvidia Absent, checking for texture_from_pixmap
[05:32] <_fnord> texture_from_pixmap Present
[05:32] <_fnord> beryl: No composite extension
[05:32] <joejaxx> _fnord: do you have Option "Composite" "Enable"
[05:32] <joejaxx> _fnord: under the extension section in your xorg.conf?
[05:33] <_fnord> brb ill change it
[05:33] <foglight> tsukoharu: ESC is often the boot menu key
[05:34] <kohr_> so, how do i mount it then?
[05:34] <kohr_> if there is no sda
[05:35] <tsukoharu> fog no it isnt f1 is -.-
[05:36] <foglight> tsukoharu: so you can boot the cd now?
[05:36] <pc22> can anyone recommend a distance learning org?
[05:36] <hope13> if 6.10 mess up my internet how do i revert back to 5.10?
[05:36] <Ashton_K> !WG311T
[05:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about WG311T - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:36] <tsukoharu> foglight no i cant
[05:37] <tsukoharu> i cant boot the cd
[05:37] <tsukoharu> im trying to mess around in bios there is just no option for the cd rom drive
[05:37] <tsukoharu> its "easy" setup
[05:37] <foglight> you can erase the partition if you want
[05:38] <kohr_> so how do i mount the USB ?
[05:38] <tsukoharu> how?
[05:38] <tsukoharu> thats what im tryin to do
[05:38] <foglight> type mount, get the name of the hard drive device
[05:38] <foglight> ie. /dev/hda1
[05:38] <kohr_> how do i know what the name s
[05:38] <joejaxx> kohr_: what other "something"da files are there in /dev?
[05:38] <foglight> then type, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1
[05:38] <foglight> that will erase the hard drive
[05:38] <joejaxx> foglight: stop
[05:38] <joejaxx> foglight: that is not funny
[05:38] <tsukoharu> how do i know the name?
[05:39] <omglol> help my wireless eth1 doesnt appear in the network properties icon in the icon tray
[05:39] <omglol> its not in the pulldown menu
[05:39] <tsukoharu> o ok i got it
[05:39] <omglol> i only see eth1
[05:39] <omglol> i only see eth0
[05:39] <kohr_> joejaxx, hda 0-4, ptyda ttyda
[05:39] <foglight> tsukoharu: it only needs to run for a few econds
[05:39] <foglight> try rebooting now
[05:40] <tsukoharu> joe, what does that do
[05:40] <joejaxx> tsukoharu: writes zeros to the drive
[05:40] <pc22>  can anyone recommend a distance learning org?
[05:40] <hope13> can i revert to an older ubuntu using the iso?
[05:40] <tsukoharu> is that bad
[05:40] <joejaxx> tsukoharu: that is something you do not tell new users to do
[05:40] <tsukoharu> fog u ass -_-
[05:40] <tsukoharu> sry for language
[05:40] <joejaxx> tsukoharu: it wipes the entire drive
[05:41] <wweasel> Guys, what the most widely used app for burning CDs and DVDs in Gnome (I know there's built in, I want more full featured) (I'm burning data discs in particular, but chances are it'll be multipurpose, no?)
[05:41] <tsukoharu> joe, is there any way to erase my partition completely
[05:41] <ivanneto> How can I know a file's encoding? If tried 'file filename', but it only reported me 'awk script text'.
[05:41] <tsukoharu> i need to totally get rid of ubuntu from my drive
[05:41] <kyncani> hope13: no, but you can install a separate edgy and see what happens
[05:41] <omglol> help my wireless eth1 doesnt appear in the network properties icon in the icon tray! its not in the pulldown menu! used to be in there
[05:41] <foglight> tsukoharu: you can run fdisk if you want and remove the partition
[05:41] <joejaxx> tsukoharu: you want to format it?
[05:42] <kohr_> wweasel, i used graveman and it worked fine, great for iso's
[05:42] <tsukoharu> yes
[05:42] <kohr_> but i am not that qualified
[05:42] <joejaxx> kohr_: normally the usbdisks come up as a sda drive
[05:42] <tsukoharu> i can work with it better from there
[05:42] <tsukoharu> i hate ubuntu
[05:42] <tsukoharu> >.<
[05:42] <kohr_> joejaxx, is that only when something is plugged in?
[05:42] <joejaxx> kohr_: yes
[05:43] <bmk789> tsukoharu: tux is your friend, have some patience as he doesnt copperate all teh time
[05:43] <joejaxx> kohr_: you have to have the drive plugged in
[05:43] <omglol> help my wireless eth1 doesnt appear in the network properties icon in the icon tray! its not in the pulldown menu! used to be in there
[05:43] <foglight> tsukoharu: did you try fdisk?
[05:43] <joejaxx> tsukoharu: what is not working on ubuntu?
[05:43] <kohr_> joejaxx, its not a storage device, its a cheap chinese digital camera
[05:43] <joejaxx> kohr_: oh
[05:43] <ubuntu> Hi, i had Fedora installed on a partion, then i removed it, but when i boot up it says "loading grub2" then loads grub 0.97 and i dont know how to start, it jsut says press tab for a list of options but then none of them work
[05:43] <bmk789> omglol: does it show up in iwconfig?
[05:43] <tsukoharu> my freaking ethernet card
[05:43] <leprasmurf> damn, this is killing me...ok, I've got a wireless nic, /proc/bus/usb/devices sees it and id's it correctly, but says it doesn't have a driver.  I've installed the driver module (rt2570) which is loaded....what am I missing?
[05:43] <omglol> bmk789: yes it does
[05:43] <tsukoharu> idk how to get it to work and its useless if i dont have internet
[05:44] <bmk789> omglol: what menu are you talking about?
[05:44] <joejaxx> kohr_: if it is usb when you plug ubuntu should recognize it and ask you if you want to import the pictures
[05:44] <joejaxx> tsukoharu: what do you mean get it to work?
[05:44] <foglight> joejaxx: whats wrong with dd if=/dev/zero exactly?
[05:44] <ubuntu> !grub
[05:44] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:45] <joejaxx> foglight: it is not something to tell new users
[05:45] <tsukoharu> joe my ethernet card isnt recognized by ubuntu; i dont have internet therefor i cant get a module for it
[05:45] <omglol> bmk789: i tihnk its the network monitor. it has a icon in the taskbar. when i dblclick on the icon i get a window that shows me all my connections like lo and eth0
[05:45] <foglight> joejaxx: why?
[05:45] <tsukoharu> i need to find a way to get it to work
[05:45] <whyameye> how can I get a list of sound cards on my machine for a bash script? I tried asoundconf and the names aren't what qjackctl is showing...
[05:45] <bmk789> omglol: can you type in eth1 manually?
[05:45] <hope13> is the 6.10 LTS iso bootable? like a live disc?
[05:45] <joejaxx> foglight: you should alright know
[05:45] <omglol> bmk789: yes i can
[05:45] <joejaxx> foglight: already*
[05:45] <hope13> i want to see if 6.10 is compatible with my ethernet card
[05:45] <bmk789> omglol: try it?
[05:45] <kohr_> joejaxx it is a really cheap that i got from an silent auction, it has window drivers and thats it, but they didn;t work with wine, so i was hopping i could access teh files directly
[05:46] <joejaxx> kohr_: ubuntu does not recognize it?
[05:46] <omglol> bmk789: yes and i got to the page for wireless
[05:46] <kohr_> i guess not
[05:46] <tsukoharu> ubuntu doesnt recognize my ethernet card
[05:46] <omglol> bmk789: but why did eth1 disappear from the pulldown menu suddenly
[05:46] <tsukoharu> so i dont know how to get it to work
[05:46] <joejaxx> kohr_: ie you do not get an import picture dialog?
[05:46] <kohr_> let me try another usb drive
[05:46] <joejaxx> kohr_: :\
[05:46] <joejaxx> kohr_: ok
[05:46] <wweasel> Guys, what the most widely used app for burning CDs and DVDs in Gnome? (I know there's built in, I want more full featured)
[05:46] <tsukoharu> any ideas joe?
[05:47] <tsukoharu> isnt there a generic module i can use to install my ethernet card
[05:47] <omglol> bmk789: i installed network-manager and when i click on its icon, i only get the option to connect to wired network. it used to show wireless networks as well
[05:47] <kohr_> no dialog
[05:47] <Siph0n> hey :)
[05:47] <kyncani> hope13: 6.10 is a live and install disc
[05:47] <joejaxx> wweasel: k3b or gnomebaker
[05:47] <hope13> yes! thx you
[05:47] <joejaxx> tsukoharu: i am really surprised that it does not come up
[05:47] <wweasel> joejaxx: gnomebaker! that's what i was trying to think of, but couldn't recall the name :) thanks a bunch
[05:47] <levander> Is there a standard place to put wallpaper images I've downloaded?
[05:47] <joejaxx> tsukoharu: normally it is the wireless
[05:47] <Siph0n> lol omglol, i just came in the chatroom right now, but i have the same thing happen to me :)
[05:48] <tsukoharu> joe mine isnt wireles
[05:48] <pc22>  can anyone recommend a distance learning org?
[05:48] <tsukoharu> im on a wired network
[05:48] <levander> pc22: lpi is a big one
[05:48] <tsukoharu> i dont know how to install a wired card
[05:48] <joejaxx> tsukoharu: i know i was just saying it was weird that it did not pick up the ethernet
[05:48] <levander> pc22: it's for linux training
[05:48] <joejaxx> wweasel: you are most welcome
[05:48] <pc22> lpi? is it legal and accredited?
[05:48] <omglol> Siph0n: damn that sucks
[05:49] <omglol> Siph0n: are u using it on a laptop
[05:49] <kohr_> joejaxx, it does not give me a dialog
[05:49] <levander> pc22: what do you mean legal and accredited?  you want a college?
[05:49] <joejaxx> tsukoharu: so eth0 does not come up when you type: ifconfig?
[05:49] <Siph0n> omglol: yea.... the wireless connection works too
[05:49] <foglight> tsukoharu: what does it say your ethernet card is? type `lspci` and look for an Ethernet Controller
[05:49] <leprasmurf> I've got a wireless nic, /proc/bus/usb/devices sees it and id's it correctly, but says it doesn't have a driver.  I've installed the driver module (rt2570) which is loaded....what am I missing?
[05:49] <variant> given 11,375 euros what laptop would you buy ?
[05:49] <levander> pc22: lpi is just for linux certifications and the like
[05:49] <omglol> Siph0n: ipw3975?
[05:49] <tsukoharu> joe 1 sec
[05:49] <Siph0n> but the icon doesn show any wireless wetworks
[05:49] <pc22> yeah more of a college
[05:49] <omglol> Siph0n: did u instal network-manager and wifi-radar?
[05:49] <Siph0n> omglol: whats ipw3975? one sec, ill get my laptop from downstairs
[05:49] <joejaxx> kohr_: :(
[05:49] <pc22> but i will try lpi too
[05:49] <Siph0n> no wifi radar
[05:49] <levander> pc22: well, there's phoenix, but you may want to look locally for a college that offers online classes
[05:49] <Siph0n> brb
[05:50] <omglol> Siph0n: intel wireless 3975abg i tihnk thats the number
[05:50] <pc22> phoenix is expensive and they say its a bogus
[05:50] <omglol> Siph0n: came with my core2
[05:50] <_fnord> im trying to install compiz and i get this from synaptic:libgnome-compiz-manager-dev:
[05:50] <_fnord>  Depends: compiz-freedesktop but it is not going
[05:50] <_fnord> to be installed
[05:50] <_fnord>  Depends: compiz-freedesktop-gnome but it is not going to be installed
[05:50] <omglol> Siph0n: i dun wanna reinstall :( took a long time to setup beryl and stuff
[05:51] <CheyenneD> What do you people recamend for a vnc server?
[05:51] <omglol> anyone have successfully installed a acx100 based wireless card???? i cant get it to work!!! its a dlink dwl 520+
[05:51] <omglol> linux sucks lol
[05:52] <_fnord> blashphamy!!!!!!
[05:52] <thoreauputic> heresy!!! Burn him!!
[05:52] <CheyenneD> I forgot marshmellows.
[05:52] <hope13> i guess it suck for people that aren't technical on computer
[05:52] <Siph0n> lol i dont wanna reinstall either lol
[05:52] <omglol> :(
[05:53] <CheyenneD> What do you people recamend for a vnc server?
[05:53] <_fnord> to the city gates!!!citizens of linus torvaldopia,theres going to be a stoneing!!!
[05:53] <tsukoharu> joe
[05:53] <levander> Where is the my GNOME Trash directory on the filesystem?
[05:53] <tsukoharu> eth0 comes up
[05:53] <joejaxx> CheyenneD: there is already one called vino installed
[05:53] <thoreauputic> CheyenneD: it's built in - vino
[05:53] <leprasmurf> no, linux sux for wireless and usb:-P
[05:53] <bizinichi`> hi
[05:53] <raxip> yo
[05:53] <joejaxx> CheyenneD: you can also use tightvnc
[05:53] <foglight> tsukoharu: then it is working
[05:53] <_fnord> where do i go for compiz suport?
[05:53] <joejaxx> tsukoharu: then your ethernet is recognized :)
[05:53] <tsukoharu> but it isnt
[05:53] <levander> nm, it's in ~/.trash
[05:53] <thoreauputic> CheyenneD: but freenx is way better for remote stuff
[05:53] <tsukoharu> but it wont work
[05:53] <raxip> tell me
[05:53] <bizinichi`> I'll think about it
[05:53] <omglol> i cant seem to get anything related to wireless right on linux
[05:53] <foglight> tsukoharu: but it will
[05:53] <tsukoharu> the lights on my card wont show up
[05:53] <leprasmurf> omglol: you and me both
[05:53] <kohr_> me neither
[05:53] <omglol> :(
[05:53] <wweasel> omglol: wireless can be a pain, but don't give up!
[05:54] <kohr_> the lights are broken too
[05:54] <foglight> tsukoharu: is the cable good?
[05:54] <tsukoharu> yes...
[05:54] <joejaxx> tsukoharu: if your network supports dhcp
[05:54] <tsukoharu> yes it does
[05:54] <joejaxx> tsukoharu: do : sudo dhclient eth0
[05:54] <tsukoharu> i got 3 computers wired through out the house
[05:54] <Siph0n> ok, im using Network Manager Applet 0.6.2
[05:54] <_fnord> my neihbors suports dhcp
[05:54] <_fnord> :)
[05:54] <joejaxx> _fnord: lol
[05:54] <kohr_> lol
[05:54] <wweasel> omglol: Setting up your wireless is probably the single hardest thing you'll have to do in getting your new ubuntu install up and running.
[05:55] <bmk789> true
[05:55] <tsukoharu> unknown hardware address type 776
[05:55] <Siph0n> and when i click it i only see "Enable Networking", but no "Enable Wireless".... and it use to be there :)
[05:55] <omglol> does anyone know why network-manager allows me to connect to wireless network yesterday but not todayu?
[05:55] <omglol> yea same as me
[05:55] <omglol> i dun wanna reinstall lopl
[05:55] <Siph0n> lol, omglol: u are online with it tho, right?
[05:55] <_fnord> joejaxx: i couldent find that thing in the extensions of xorg.conf
[05:55] <omglol> im using wired
[05:55] <foglight> tsukoharu: lovely, nevermind its broken :)
[05:55] <Siph0n> oh
[05:55] <wweasel> omglol: what are you using for drivers? ndis?
[05:55] <thoreauputic> omglol: network manager takes a holiday this time of year ;p
[05:55] <omglol> lol
[05:55] <omglol> it worked striaght out of the box
[05:56] <Siph0n> thats whats funny with mine, im online wirelessly with it, but it still says No Network Connections
[05:56] <omglol> i installed edgy and it works
[05:56] <xdragonx> anyone tell me how to make it stop using mesa for opengl rendering?
[05:56] <tsukoharu> unknown hardware address type 776 joe -_-
[05:56] <omglol> ipw3945 from centrino core2
[05:56] <wweasel> omglol: lol, you're a lucky one :P
[05:56] <xdragonx> (using ati 9550 drivers)
[05:56] <joejaxx> _fnord: there is not a section called extensions?
[05:56] <_fnord> ill look again
[05:56] <omglol> not so luicky now (
[05:56] <wweasel> hmmm...
[05:56] <omglol> will reinstall work?
[05:56] <Siph0n> im using dapper :)
[05:57] <kyncani> xdragonx: i think there's a wki for that
[05:57] <wweasel> omglol: yeah, but that would be extreme. i'm sure we can fix it some other way
[05:57] <tsukoharu> it recognizes the card but it doesnt
[05:57] <xdragonx> i followed it to a T
[05:57] <xdragonx> :/
[05:57] <xdragonx> i got my x1300 working but not it
[05:57] <tsukoharu> because i do sudo command on it and it says unkown hardware adress
[05:57] <joejaxx> _fnord: if not you want to add this at the bottom http://fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=365
[05:57] <wweasel> omglol: try opening a terminal and typing in 'iwconfig'
[05:57] <_fnord> there wasent
[05:57] <foglight> tsukoharu: try sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[05:57] <hope13> is AIGLX better than XGL for... intel integrate graphic card?
[05:57] <xdragonx> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI is what i used
[05:57] <omglol> wweasel: eth1 has some stuff that probably says its working
[05:57] <joejaxx> _fnord: add this to the bottom
[05:57] <juanchito2006> Merry Christmas from GMT -5 Zone in Colombia!
[05:58] <joejaxx> _fnord: http://fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=365
[05:58] <foglight> tsukoharu: then run the dhclient command
[05:58] <spasticteapot> Hello?
[05:58] <omglol> wweasel: i think its working.. i use kismet and i can see several ap
[05:58] <wweasel> omglol: so it's just network-manager not detecting it?
[05:58] <omglol> its just network manager and network monitor not showing my eth1
[05:58] <omglol> yea
[05:58] <kyncani> xdragonx: well, i'm sorry then (nvidia here)
[05:58] <spasticteapot> Hello, everyone!
[05:58] <_fnord> joejaxx: im not running flux
[05:58] <wweasel> omglol: ok, i think i know why.
[05:58] <tsukoharu> fog that is the command i entered
[05:58] <Acidictadpole> Merry Xmas EST
[05:58] <omglol> yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[05:58] <tsukoharu> says a whole bunck of unknowns
[05:58] <tsukoharu> bunch
[05:58] <omglol> hehe
[05:58] <foglight> `sudo ifconfig eth0 up` ?
[05:58] <_fnord> joejaxx: nm
[05:58] <wweasel> omglol: sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[05:58] <tsukoharu> unknown hardware address -_-
[05:58] <spasticteapot> As long as we're discussing GUIs, anyone mind helping me with XFCE?
[05:58] <joejaxx> _fnord: that is a pastebin lol
[05:58] <joejaxx> _fnord: :)
[05:59] <spasticteapot> I just installed it, and...WOOT! T3h AW3som3!
[05:59] <CheyenneD> I'm new to the command line, How do i edit a like using sudo
[05:59] <omglol> wweasel: ok im in.. i dun see my eth1
[05:59] <tsukoharu> Error while getting flags: unkown device
[05:59] <kohr_> christmas in 1 minute!
[05:59] <wweasel> CheyenneD: probably easiest using nano as a command line editor. Or using gedit to launch a gui
[05:59] <omglol> oo i see it
[05:59] <omglol> iface eth1 inet dhcp
[05:59] <joejaxx> kohr_: yeap :)
[05:59] <omglol> wireless-essid test
[05:59] <omglol> wireless-key asd
[05:59] <omglol> auto eth1
[05:59] <tsukoharu> Error while getting flags: unkown device
[05:59] <juanchito2006> I'm having trouble with my ATi Radeon Xpress 200 Graphics, can't accelerate it...
[05:59] <wweasel> spasticteapot: probably better to go to #xubuntu
[05:59] <joejaxx> _fnord: also are you using xgl or aiglx?
[05:59] <spasticteapot> However, I'm missing my taskbar - anyone know how to get the taskbar in XFCE?
[05:59] <spasticteapot> join #xubuntu
[05:59] <omglol> hmm in it wat shd i do
[06:00] <_fnord> aiglx i think,im new
[06:00] <kohr_> 10
[06:00] <kohr_> 5
[06:00] <unix_infidel> anyone here have a Dell Latitude D420 working in linux?
[06:00] <Ashton_K> Merry Christmas!
[06:00] <kohr_> 3
[06:00] <kohr_> 2
[06:00] <kohr_> 1
[06:00] <wweasel> omglol: Don't paste in here, it bothers some people.
[06:00] <omglol> ok
[06:00] <wweasel> Yay!
[06:00] <kohr_> CHRISTMAS!
[06:00] <spasticteapot> Bah...no work.
[06:00] <xdragonx> i havea  dell 1505 working on ubuntu
[06:00] <joejaxx> _fnord: you want to look at this http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Ubuntu/Dapper/AiGLX
[06:00] <xdragonx> (fully)
[06:00] <xdragonx> now my desktops giving issues
[06:00] <spasticteapot> Is the command /join #xubuntu to join "xubuntu"?
[06:00] <joejaxx> spasticteapot: yes there is
[06:01] <foglight> tsukoharu: when you type ifconfig -a what are the devices listed on the left column
[06:01] <tsukoharu> so fog any ideas?
[06:01] <omglol> wweasel: im in it.. wat shd i do next?
[06:01] <juanchito2006> Jingle Bells, Jinglle Bells
[06:01] <joejaxx> _fnord: that link gives you the steps to enable aiglx on dapper
[06:01] <wweasel> omglol: Ok, so what we're going to do is comment out hte lines that relate to eth1
[06:01] <joejaxx> juanchito2006: LOL
[06:01] <omglol> wweasel: # or ;
[06:01] <tsukoharu> lo and sit0
[06:01] <wweasel> omglol: # and actually, you can comment out everything but the "lo" section
[06:01] <foglight> i thought you saw an eth0
[06:01] <xdragonx> is it seeing your hardware now tsuko?
[06:02] <xdragonx> (sorry was gone working on video)
[06:02] <foglight> tsukoharu: type lspci and look for ethernet controller
[06:02] <tsukoharu> and etho
[06:02] <omglol> wweasel: im using my wired eth0.. will i get disconnected if  comment out eth0
[06:02] <foglight> tsukoharu: is there an eth0 or not?
[06:02] <_fnord> joejaxx: now what?
[06:02] <tsukoharu> i see it
[06:02] <tsukoharu> but thats not the model of my ethernet card
[06:02] <tsukoharu> thats my old one that worked
[06:02] <wweasel> omglol, perhaps. See, network-manager needs these thigns commented out in order to manage them.
[06:02] <spasticteapot> xubuntu is annoyingly empty, so I'll have to annoy you instead.
[06:03] <spasticteapot> I just installed XFCE, and have no taskbar.
[06:03] <joejaxx> _fnord: did you follow the steps on that link?
[06:03] <tsukoharu> says ethernet controller: d-link system
[06:03] <spasticteapot> http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=screenshots&lang=en
[06:03] <omglol> wweasel: ok commented out
[06:03] <foglight> tsukoharu: you replaced the ethernet card?
[06:03] <tsukoharu> then the model type of my old ethernet card
[06:03] <spasticteapot> Note the taskbar/wharf bar/whatever.
[06:03] <tsukoharu> fog yes i did
[06:03] <tsukoharu> other one was held with ducktape
[06:03] <juanchito2006> Radeon Xpress 200 driver installin problem...
[06:03] <spasticteapot> Hot glue > Duct Tape.
[06:03] <tsukoharu> finally snapped in two
[06:03] <wweasel> omglol: save that file, and you might need to close and reopen network-manager in order to get it to recognize the hardware...i'm not sure
[06:03] <_fnord> nope didint see it thanks off to read
[06:03] <joejaxx> _fnord: you are most welcome
[06:03] <foglight> i see, and you cant reinstall ubuntu because you cant boot from cd?
[06:04] <spasticteapot> Trust me on this one - a fillet around the connector will hold it in very securely, and function as shock-mounting.
[06:04] <joejaxx> _fnord: that guide should definitely get it up and running
[06:04] <tsukoharu> well i can access a cd from ubuntu
[06:04] <tsukoharu> i just cant
[06:04] <tsukoharu> get it to boot
[06:04] <omglol> wweasel: how to i close network-manager
[06:04] <spasticteapot> If anyone here knows XFCE even a little, please join #xubuntu and help me. out.
[06:04] <wweasel> omglol: before you do that...is it working right now?
[06:04] <omglol> wweasel: its currently running.. i see the icon
[06:04] <juanchito2006> !ATi
[06:04] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:05] <wweasel> omglol: does it detect your wireless hardware?
[06:05] <omglol> wweasel: when i rightclick i only see wired.. i dun see wireless networks.. i used to see wireless networks yesterday
[06:05] <omglol> i meant left click
[06:06] <xdragonx> anyone care to help advance troubleshoot an ati card?
[06:06] <wweasel> omglol: alright, try going to System > Administration > System Monitor
[06:06] <omglol> nm-applet?
[06:06] <tsukoharu> u know what my sollution is
[06:06] <tsukoharu> erase everything
[06:06] <wweasel> omglol: yep
[06:06] <tsukoharu> and install windows
[06:06] <tsukoharu> so how do i erase everything
[06:06] <tsukoharu> do a complete format of my whole laptop
[06:07] <tsukoharu> linux is only on one hard drive; the same one my windows partition would be on
[06:07] <omglol> wweasel: i restarted it.. still doesnt show wireless
[06:07] <wweasel> hmm...
[06:07] <foglight> tsukoharu: you can try to install ubuntu once more instead to give it another shot
[06:07] <tsukoharu> i lost the cd ^^;
[06:07] <foglight> haha
[06:07] <foglight> you are in a world of hurt
[06:07] <wweasel> omglol: everything but lo is commented out in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[06:07] <tsukoharu> so yea windows is my last hope
[06:07] <tsukoharu> so how do i format
[06:07] <foglight> tsukoharu: read more about your bios and how to get into the "advanced" menu
[06:07] <tsukoharu> fog where?
[06:07] <omglol> wweasel: yup
[06:07] <xdragonx> tsuko??? did you try finding an RPM for the drivers for your netcard?
[06:07] <tsukoharu> i cant find ANYTHING
[06:08] <foglight> on google
[06:08] <omglol> wweasel: only 2 lines comtaining lo uncommented
[06:08] <xdragonx> you can convert those to .deb
[06:08] <jakal> how do i find out which version of dapper i have?
[06:08] <tsukoharu> xdragon no use
[06:08] <tsukoharu> i cant download the program for it
[06:08] <tsukoharu> i have no internet for my laptop
[06:08] <xdragonx> throw it on a cd
[06:08] <tsukoharu> k
[06:08] <foglight> tsukoharu: the 'cfdisk` command can erase it
[06:08] <wweasel> omglol: I really don't know why it wouldn't be working then. You can try restarting your computer
[06:08] <omglol> ok brb
[06:09] <tsukoharu> fog ill keep that in mind
[06:09] <tsukoharu> xdragon ndiswrapper right?
[06:09] <xdragonx> thats what i would try
[06:09] <xdragonx> if you cant get the others
[06:09] <foglight> tsukoharu: can you just download and burn ubuntu then fi you are making a cd?
[06:09] <spasticteapot> Anyone here do any video editing in Linux?
[06:10] <spasticteapot> I need to do video editing with a minimal amount of hardware (miniscule educational budget), and Cinlerra looks nice.
[06:10] <tsukoharu> i dont wanna go through reinstalling ubuntu for a card
[06:10] <spasticteapot> What kind of CPU would I need?
[06:10] <tsukoharu> wont do crap
[06:10] <tsukoharu> because the module for my card isnt on ubuntu anyways
[06:10] <xdragonx> tsuko?  try suse just to see
[06:10] <tsukoharu> suse O.o
[06:10] <spasticteapot> Tsukoharu - what card are you trying to use?
[06:10] <foglight> ah i see, well you could just buy a cheap nic for $10
[06:10] <tsukoharu> a wired ethernet card from dynex spastic
[06:11] <wweasel> spasticteapot: I don't do video editing, but in case you haven't tried it, check out Kino
[06:11] <xdragonx> or wireless setup
[06:11] <tsukoharu> !suse
[06:11] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[06:11] <tsukoharu> what is suse
[06:11] <xdragonx> suse is an oldtime linux distro
[06:11] <hope13> it's not that old
[06:11] <xdragonx> its a big download tho
[06:11] <hope13> slack is older
[06:11] <spasticteapot> My ex-girlfriend swore by it.
[06:11] <omglol> cool i see wireless in network-manager. do i have to uncomment those lines?
[06:11] <xdragonx> its a build off redhat
[06:12] <xdragonx> yeah not that old but older than alot
[06:12] <tsukoharu> id want to install that -_-
[06:12] <foglight> i doubt suse will have a driver if ubuntu doesnt
[06:12] <xdragonx> ubuntu is better by far (in my oppinion)
[06:12] <tsukoharu> xdragon, u said a program can convert to .deb right
[06:12] <omglol> wweasel: i see wireless network in network manager!however network monitor doesnt show eth1
[06:12] <xdragonx> alien
[06:12] <hope13> it's a bias opinion lol
[06:12] <spasticteapot> Hmm....try installing wifi-radar.
[06:13] <xdragonx> thats the name of the program to convert
[06:13] <xdragonx> (alien)
[06:13] <hope13> red hat will work on your laptop
[06:13] <hope13> i google it
[06:13] <hope13> apparently someone got it to work
[06:13] <spasticteapot> I don't think Ubuntu has Wifi-radar or a similar wifi-management software.
[06:13] <tsukoharu> link?
[06:13] <wweasel> omglol: Nope, leave them commented. Now network-manager can manage them, but the standard tools cannot. It's really one or ther other.
[06:13] <tsukoharu> xdragon throw me a link
[06:13] <hope13> google red hat
[06:13] <xdragonx> it does have wifi-radar
[06:13] <xdragonx> i have it installed
[06:13] <leprasmurf> what kind of device is sit0?
[06:13] <metroman> Merry Christmas! Happy Holidays!
[06:13] <omglol> wweasel: oo ok nice.. will wifi-radar conflict with networkmanager?
[06:13] <_fnord> joejaxx: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38738/
[06:13] <bulmer> sit0 is ipv6
[06:13] <joejaxx> ipv6 ftw
[06:13] <wweasel> omglol: Can't say, I've never used wifi-radar.
[06:13] <tsukoharu> oh i got alien :o
[06:14] <tsukoharu> i just dont know what 2 convert :P
[06:14] <omglol> wweasel: oo thnx! now i dun have to reinstall :D
[06:14] <thoreauputic> omglol: yes, I think it uses the standard config - I couldn't get it to play nice with n-m
[06:14] <xdragonx> its just  sudo alien (name).rpm
[06:14] <wweasel> omglol: it might not be able to recognize the network devices with them commented out. I don't know how it works
[06:14] <xdragonx> in terminal
[06:14] <tsukoharu> what is the rpm
[06:14] <omglol> hmm ok
[06:14] <tsukoharu> the only drivers i got
[06:14] <tsukoharu> are on a cd
[06:14] <leprasmurf> ipv6?  it's a seperate device?  or do you mean a device that uses ipv6?
[06:14] <tsukoharu> for a "windows' install
[06:14] <wweasel> omglol: Yeah, it's a trade-off, one or the other. If you decide to switch back, you uncomment all the lines.
[06:15] <xdragonx> thats if you find the rpm file for your card
[06:15] <omglol> icic
[06:15] <xdragonx> what is the card again?
[06:15] <foglight> tsukoharu: they have linux drivers
[06:15] <foglight> http://www.dynexproducts.com/skins/Skin_1/Topics/Drivers/DX-E101_Drivers.zip
[06:15] <jimmygoon> ewww dynex >_<
[06:15] <joejaxx> _fnord: did you add the beryl repository?
[06:15] <_fnord> i belive so brb
[06:16] <xdragonx> that link has a wrapper file
[06:16] <omglol> anyone managed to install a acx10 based wireless card? Im using dlink dwl 520+
[06:16] <tsukoharu> fog but are those for my card
[06:17] <foglight> tsukoharu: i think so but who knows
[06:17] <tsukoharu> minesa pcmcia card for a laptop
[06:17] <tsukoharu> not an ethernet card for a pci slot
[06:17] <foglight> oh
[06:17] <foglight> then no
[06:17] <foglight> there is another zip file on that sire
[06:17] <foglight> site
[06:17] <tsukoharu> there is none for the pcmcia card
[06:17] <foglight> http://www.dynexproducts.com/skins/Skin_1/Topics/Drivers/DX-E201_Drivers.exe
[06:18] <nix_ferret> I'm trying to stream media from an XP box (ntfs) is there some library I can install that will allow ubuntu to read (stream) the files?
[06:18] <foglight> "Drivers for the DX-E201 Dynex Notebook 10/100 32-Bit PCMCIA Network Card"
[06:18] <_fnord> joejaxx: i just checked and ya i did but i also got this error:
[06:18] <_fnord> root@fluxbuntu:/home/fnord# sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-air-core linux-dri-modules-common linux-dri-modules-`uname -r`
[06:18] <foglight> nix_ferret: you can smbmount the windows drive
[06:18] <_fnord> E: Couldn't find package linux-dri-modules-2.6.15-27-386
[06:18] <tsukoharu> thats only for windows fog -_-
[06:18] <omglol> anyone managed to install a acx100 based wireless card? Im using dlink dwl 520+
[06:18] <_fnord> joejaxx: whats that mean?
[06:18] <foglight> tsukoharu: ya then you need this http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/
[06:19] <joejaxx> _fnord: that the package is not available
[06:19] <_fnord> so im poop out of luck?
[06:19] <joejaxx> _fnord: you could skip it but when you play movies you will not be able to see them with aoglx enabled
[06:19] <foglight> tsukoharu: get ndiswrapper-common and -utils from Dec20
[06:20] <tsukoharu> oh i see a linux install
[06:20] <tsukoharu> its just i only see 2 txts in there :/
[06:20] <_fnord> joejaxx: is that what afecting the next step?
[06:21] <_fnord> the no such file or directory?
[06:21] <foglight> tsukoharu: extract the driver .exe to somewhere and burn the contents plus the ndiswrapper .deb's to a cd
[06:21] <joejaxx> _fnord: that package does not exist
[06:21] <joejaxx> _fnord: the dri modules
[06:21] <foglight> tsukoharu: install the .deb's using dpkg -i <.deb> and then run ndisgtk to select the windows drivers
[06:23] <icmp-> Does anyone know how to make grub boot edgy from ~50gb of an 80gb drive off /dev/hdb ? I keep getting the error 18 complaining about the cylinder being > what the bios supports but #1 my bios isnt old and #2 other distros w/ grub have handled it fine. I've tried manually setting the geometry in the bios and toggling LBA & re-installing grub but it refuses to work
[06:24] <omglol> anyone managed to install a acx100 based wireless card?
[06:24] <foglight> omglol: http://acx100.sourceforge.net/
[06:25] <CheyenneD> How do install Xine
[06:25] <foglight> CheyenneD: sudo apt-get install xine
[06:26] <omglol> foglight: thnx. i followed the instructions there but it cant work. dmesg says a file in acx/default can be found and that guide never said anything about that file
[06:26] <nix_ferret> Maybe I'm missing something. When I navigate to the shared windows drive and try to open a file (i.e. mp3) the app says that it can not read from source.
[06:26] <CheyenneD> forlight: That does not work
[06:26] <SilentDis> happy Chrismahanukwanzakah everyone!
[06:26] <foglight> nix_ferret: there is no mp3 support out of box
[06:26] <nix_ferret> yes I know, I installed it
[06:27] <nix_ferret> If I copy the file it works fine
[06:27] <nix_ferret> It can't stream it b/c it's ntfs?
[06:27] <foglight> nix_ferret: never had a problem myself
[06:28] <cmweb> !kde
[06:28] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[06:28] <foglight> are you trying to drag a graphical file object into the media player or something?
[06:28] <nix_ferret> Do you have some sort of sharing app on your XP box?
[06:28] <foglight> is the ntfs share mounted or you are using a samba client?
[06:29] <foglight> i use smbmount to mount the share and then it looks normal to local applications
[06:29] <foglight> CheyenneD: try installing it from System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager
[06:30] <nix_ferret> I mounted it
[06:30] <nix_ferret> It's on the desktop
[06:30] <cmweb> Whats the difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu?
[06:30] <foglight> omglol: what does dmesg say exactly?
[06:30] <foglight> cmweb: Kubuntu uses KDE
[06:31] <cmweb> KDE, is it like gnome?
[06:31] <Ashton_K> Anyone recognize this? "Wlanconfig: ioctl: No such device"?
[06:31] <foglight> yea it is a graphical user interface
[06:31] <nix_ferret> I didn't care for KDE YMMV
[06:31] <foglight> Ashton_K: ya it doesnt see your network device
[06:31] <SilentDis> question:  just quickly here... where can I go to find different usplash screens (tried making my own with the tutorial, and I just get lost) :P
[06:31] <cmweb> can i go to kubuntu by getting kubuntu-desktop?
[06:31] <foglight> cmweb: probably
[06:31] <Siph01> hey
[06:32] <kyncani> cmeme: yeah
[06:32] <nix_ferret> yes
[06:32] <Ashton_K> That's annoying, since I just built a driver for it.
[06:32] <Ashton_K> Any ideas?
[06:32] <Siph01> what repository is libdvdcss in? i thought multiverse but i have that added already
[06:32] <nix_ferret> you can choose at login gui which 1 u want
[06:32] <foglight> Ashton_K: what does iwconfig say?
[06:32] <cmweb> How different is KDE from Gnome? is it any better?
[06:32] <SilentDis> Siph01:  I pulled it from the debian archives and used dpkg to install it, personally.  newer version, as well :)
[06:33] <nix_ferret> that's like coke vs. pepsi
[06:33] <Ashton_K> lo, eth0, eth1, and sit0 all report "No wireless extensions"
[06:33] <ken>  Any one using the driver from 'fs-driver.org' over here?
[06:33] <Ashton_K> An attempt to restart /etc/init.d/networking results in errors on both ath0 and wlan0 saying "No such device"
[06:33] <kyncani> cmweb: different
[06:33] <nix_ferret> I think KDE is good for work stuff but Gnome is good all around and good for n00bs like me
[06:33] <cmweb> whats different about it
[06:33] <foglight> Ashton_K: the driver isn't loading or it isn't recognizing the card
[06:34] <Ashton_K> It's an Atheros chipset wifi card. The restricted modules one didn't work. So I compiled a driver for it using madwifi-ng
[06:34] <cmweb> work stuff? as in scriptsing
[06:34] <nix_ferret> you should just try it out, it's kind of a personal choice thing
[06:34] <kyncani> cmweb: like coke vs pepsi, as said above. Try and make your own opinion
[06:34] <Ashton_K> And the driver is loaded (lsmod | grep ath_pci shows it)
[06:34] <hope13> um i burn the iso on a cd
[06:34] <hope13> but i don't know how to install it
[06:34] <hope13> >,>
[06:34] <cmweb> ok il try it am i going to have to restart?
[06:34] <SilentDis> cmweb:  the KDE environment is more centered on availability of features.  Gnome is centered on simplicity.  at least, that's what I take from the 2 (I have both, and prefer Gnome)
[06:34] <hope13> i put the 6.10 cd into my drive and boot it up no?
[06:35] <foglight> Ashton_K: what does it say in dmesg about the card?
[06:35] <kyncani> cmweb: nope, just logout and choose a kde session at the login screen
[06:35] <nix_ferret> There is a reason that the ubuntu main package uses gnome
[06:35] <SilentDis> hope13:  after you burn the CD, just put it into your CD drive, and reboot your machine.  it'll boot from the CD, and you'll be in the LiveCD Ubuntu.  There's an install button there :)
[06:35] <adrift> hello folks
[06:35] <hope13> i chose boot or install option (first option) of the iso and it only let me boot
[06:35] <cmweb> 168MB I DONT think so
[06:35] <SilentDis> Adrift:  welcome and happy Chrismahanukwanzakah!
[06:35] <hope13> is the install button the first option?
[06:35] <hope13> lol
[06:35] <foglight> hope13: there is a desktop icon to install
[06:36] <hope13> oh
[06:36] <foglight> ;)
[06:36] <hope13> on the live?
[06:36] <foglight> yep
[06:36] <hope13> oh ok
[06:36] <hope13> thx you
[06:36] <hope13> brb lol
[06:36] <Ashton_K> I think this is the line: "ACPI : PCI interrupt 0000:02:07.0 disabled"
[06:36] <foglight> Ashton_K: so it doesnt show in lspci either?
[06:36] <adrift> lol thanks SilentDis.
[06:37] <Ashton_K> It does, actually.
[06:37] <SilentDis> adrift:  it's my new favorite word :)
[06:37] <adrift> when replying to a specific individual here, how do i hightlight their name in red
[06:37] <foglight> Ashton_K: and you have 2 more net cards in there as well?
[06:37] <Ashton_K> One built in, and one PCI.
[06:37] <PhibreOptix> adrift: Put there name infront of your message, like PhibreOptix:
[06:38] <Ashton_K> Is that a glitch in Edgy?
[06:38] <SilentDis> adrift:  type their name first.  most clients will take care of that for them.
[06:38] <adrift> ok thank you
[06:38] <Ashton_K> (The built in one is covered, stupid Motherboard came with the wrong backplate)
[06:38] <PhibreOptix> adrift: And you can use the tab button for auto-completion
[06:38] <timfrost> Siph01: I have libdvdcss2  1.2.9-0.0ubuntu4  for edgy from seveas repository in section extras.  See !seveas for the URL
[06:38] <jps> Merry Christmas
[06:38] <ken> HELP: on starting ubuntu i get: /dev/hda1 has been mount 30 times, without being checked, and then it is checked (slowly), similarly a message comes for /dev/hdb1. And i have to wait. Can someone tell me why this error comes? I tried writing to a EXT3 /home with the driver from fs-driver.org, from windows and after that this happens,
[06:38] <PhibreOptix> Yea merry christmas all
[06:38] <SilentDis> jps:  happy Chrismahanukwanzakah!
[06:38] <PhibreOptix> I got a new video card
[06:38] <foglight> Ashton_K: well you mentioned an eth0 and eth1 i wonder if one of those is the atheros card
[06:38] <Ashton_K> No, they're wired.
[06:39] <thoreauputic> ken: that's just a normal fsck message
[06:39] <Ashton_K> Ath0 is the wireless.
[06:39] <adrift> PhibreOptix what do you mean by auto-completion?
[06:39] <SilentDis> adrift, type the first 3 letters of my name, then hit tab
[06:39] <PhibreOptix> adrift: Ok, type in Phi then press tab, it'll goto the closet match
[06:39] <adrift> SilentDis, ah. thanks
[06:40] <ken> thoreauputic: Does that occur at regular intervals? or was it triggered by my writing on the partition with that driver from windows? And i haven't got time to wait and see my drives being slowly checked all day? What is the frequency of this check and what triggered it?
[06:40] <cmweb> In 15 minutes it wil be christmass morning
[06:40] <SilentDis> cmweb:  happy Chrismahanukwanzakah!
[06:40] <Ashton_K> In 15 minutes it'll be 1 AM.
[06:40] <PhibreOptix> It's already christmas here in Aussie =D
[06:40] <thoreauputic> ken: as it says, about every 30 boots/mounts
[06:40] <Ashton_K> Undiranakwanzamas.
[06:40] <Spisters> it is 40 minutes into Christmas morning here
[06:41] <cmweb> silentDis, how did you learn to spell that
[06:41] <thoreauputic> ken: you can change the frequency with tune2fs IIRC
[06:41] <SilentDis> cmweb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrismahanukwanzakah
[06:41] <SilentDis> cmweb:  *giggle*
[06:41] <jps> I have a strange problem with network-manager.... the default instal was fine, but i just changed the ubuntu network preferences tool (System->Administration->Networking) to use a static ip(no dhcp anymore)... everything works fine but network manager does not recognize my wired interface anymore... it complains its not connected
[06:41] <ken> thoreauputic: So it WAS NOT triggered by me writing through the EXT3 driver from Windows? And it is supposed to occur on every machine after 30 reboots? Am i getting this right?
[06:41] <ken> SilentDis: cmweb: forming a cult?
[06:42] <ken> :)
[06:42] <jps> anyone has seen this bug before?
[06:42] <SilentDis> ken:  yes, fsck runs through your drive every 30 boots.
[06:42] <nix_ferret> Just fyi, streaming over samba is broke in edgy : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351322
[06:42] <cmweb> Ken, why what makes you think that
[06:42] <thoreauputic> ken: 1) I don't know as I've never used the driver 2) I see that happen at regular intervals 3) see my other answer re: frequency
[06:42] <Spisters> Ok I don't get it, I kept getting this error "hda: ide_intr: huh? expected NULL handler on exit
[06:42] <Spisters> Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block" when I tried to boot from the cd, I was still getting it, and finally I just said be that way and let it run, and now I just checked on it and it is loaded, what gives?
[06:42] <ken> cmweb: That strange greeting
[06:42] <foglight> Ashton_K: did you try the footnote in the instructions about fedora?
[06:42] <adrift> Is anyone here running World of Warcraft in Wine? I have a couple questions, specifically: In Windows you can hit the windows key to bring up you're desktop and then tab back onto WoW in the taskbar. Is there a way to do this in Ubuntu?
[06:42] <foglight> putting alias wlan0 acx in /etc/modprobe.conf
[06:43] <cmweb> ken, i dont know about silentdis, but im not i perfectly happy
[06:43] <SilentDis> ken:  I find that line rather funny is all :)
[06:43] <thoreauputic> ken: see the -c option in  man tune2fs
[06:44] <ken> thoreauputic: SilentDis: So in NO WAY is the Windows ext3 driver responsible for this check? right? And it is supposed to occur regularly ALSO ON only ubuntu systems? Moreover after it checked my drive it told me that '0.6% was not journalled', is that normmal too?
[06:44] <jps> You folks have ever used a static ip in ubuntu with network-manager applet?
[06:44] <Ashton_K> I don't see a footnote that would apply in the Fedora section.
[06:44] <Ashton_K> All the way at the bottom?
[06:44] <foglight> ya
[06:44] <foglight> http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/ACX
[06:44] <Spisters> ok, now I get it, it just didn't load my hard drives, so I guess I am having a hard drive issue then?
[06:44] <thoreauputic> ken: it happens regularly, you can adjust the frequency as I said, and the last question I don't know
[06:45] <ken> thoreauputic: OK, thank you
[06:45] <SilentDis> ken:  most linux distros set a default of around 30 for the boot check, yes.  (i've seen 37, 29, other strange numbers).  the idea is to just check the disk from time to time, to make sure nothing is wrong.  if there's errors, it'll prompt you through fixing them, as well.  otherwise, they're just 'notices'
[06:45] <Ashton_K> foglight: You mean that init script someone wrote?
[06:45] <thoreauputic> ken: if everything works, i wouldn't worry unduly aboutthe journal :)
[06:45] <Ashton_K> Will that even run in Ubuntu?
[06:45] <leprasmurf> how do you install hotplug in ubuntu?
[06:45] <foglight> Ashton_K: no you on the page i sent?
[06:45] <ken> SilentDis: Moreover after it checked my drive it told me that '0.6% was not journalled', is that normmal too?
[06:45] <cmweb> hey how do i get my channels topic to do right i set it then log back in and its gone
[06:46] <Ashton_K> Well, it's not an ACX chipset....
[06:46] <foglight> its not?
[06:46] <jps> if something is not written to the journal... due to a crash perhaps... the journal is fsckd kinda and its updated
[06:46] <SilentDis> ken:  if it didn't pause and drop you to a console during the boot, it's simply a notice.  nothing to worry over.  :)
[06:46] <foglight> i thought the module was acx_pci
[06:46] <ken> SilentDis: OK :)
[06:46] <jps> so next boot you end up with a consistent journal... don't worry
[06:46] <Ashton_K> No, Atheros.
[06:46] <Ashton_K> It uses Madwifi.
[06:46] <ken> jps: OK
[06:46] <thoreauputic> ken: ).6% of your journal is not a large number :)
[06:47] <Ashton_K> ACX is made by TI I believe.
[06:47] <ken> Good bye, and have a Good Day!
[06:47] <SilentDis> ken:  if you INSIST on running fsck yourself to double check the disk, you can... but it's a hastle, and not really necessary.  that's why that check is in there, to allevate that from you having to do yourself :)
[06:47] <thoreauputic> ken: bye
[06:47] <foglight> Ashton_K: oops i got you confused with omglol
[06:47] <Ashton_K> No prob.
[06:48] <jps> Now anyone who uses networkmanger applet has set his eth0 ip to a static instead of a dhcp one?
[06:48] <ken> SilentDis: thoreauputic: jps: And do you know for SURE, that writing to my /home from Windows thorugh that fs-driver.org's EXT3 driver was not the culprit for 0.6% of my drive not being journalled?
[06:48] <Ashton_K> The card is in lspci, it has worked before (it isn't DOA), the driver compiled and installed without complaint (modprobe ath_pci). But it won't load ath0 or wlan0 when i restart networking. Can't find it.
[06:48] <ken> Ashton_K: Do you know about the Aston shell?
[06:48] <Ashton_K> Ironically, yes.
[06:48] <Ashton_K> But that's not where the name comes from.
[06:48] <john_> Hello
[06:49] <thoreauputic> ken: I already told you I have no experience with this driver. And i think you are worrying too much :)
[06:49] <ken> Ashton_K: just wanted to enquite :)
[06:49] <jps> i changed my ip to a static one in ubuntu system menu... now network manager complains im not connectec... which I am of coure...
[06:49] <ken> thoreauputic: ok :0
[06:49] <Ashton_K> Righteo.
[06:49] <Ashton_K> I actually used to use Aston, but my firewall hatedit.
[06:49] <john_> can i get some help?
[06:49] <Ashton_K> But Ashton is actually my name (Note the extra h)
[06:49] <ken> jps: Does your ISP provide the facility of giving you a static IP?
[06:49] <jps> ken
[06:49] <Ashton_K> Sure, john.
[06:49] <SilentDis> ken:  it doesn't matter.  the EXT3 system isn't the same as a FAT or NTFS file system.  fragmentation and the like just doesn't mean the same thing in a journalized, modern FS as it does in single-process ones (like NTFS/FAT)
[06:49] <Ashton_K> Shoot.
[06:50] <jps> this fsdrivers understand normaly only EXT2
[06:50] <ken> Ashton_K: I too tinkered with it a bit, then removed it and then ended up formating WIndows
[06:50] <jps> since EXT3 is a EXT2 with journal...
[06:50] <john_> How can i Internet connection share.
[06:50] <jps> they just don't update the journal
[06:50] <Ashton_K> jps, you can mount ext3 as ext2.
[06:50] <thoreauputic> ken: if only 0.6 % of your journal was missed, you have little to worry about ( note that I used to run unjournalled filesystems all the time before ext3)
[06:50] <john_> I have the directions for a mAc
[06:50] <jps> yeah exactly
[06:50] <Spisters> my God it worked, now here is my only question, what sort of drives does Ubuntu come with and I heard that if you duel boot with Windows that it can look for drivers in windows to use, is this true?
[06:50] <jps> ext3 mouted as ext2 = no journal
[06:51] <Ashton_K> Spisters, if Ubuntu is installed AFTER windows, you'll have a dual boot.
[06:51] <jps> so the data was written to your fs... but not the journal META data
[06:51] <Ashton_K> As long as the partitions are separate.
[06:51] <ken> jps: i am listening
[06:51] <Ashton_K> Ubuntu by default uses GRUB, which will allow for multiple OS's.
[06:51] <jps> so ken... yes probably the fswindows driver is the cause for this check
[06:51] <john_> Is there a way to connection sharing. using my ethernet as source to wifi, to other laptops?
[06:51] <jps> but there is no problem
[06:51] <Spisters> right, my question is, is there any reason to duel boot, can Ubuntu look to windows for drivers?
[06:51] <Ashton_K> But if Windows is installed second, it'll overwrite grub with the MBR, which won't see Linux.
[06:51] <Ashton_K> For drivers? No way.
[06:52] <Ashton_K> Only if you have some software in Windows that you REALLY want.
[06:52] <Ashton_K> Or Games.
[06:52] <Spisters> then if I have other computers with windows and need this as a server this is no reason to do that
[06:52] <Ashton_K> Only if you have a need for Windows.
[06:52] <ken> jps: thoreauputic: SilentDis: But i dont want to sit around and foolishly let my drives being checked when i have simply copied a .txt file from WIn->/home. You know it takes a long time to check the FS, and i feel kinda' foolish waiting for this process to happen everytime i copy something
[06:52] <Ashton_K> As far as linux is concerned, it's just taking up space.
[06:52] <Ashton_K> It can't borrow drivers, executables, anything.
[06:52] <SilentDis> ken: it'll only happen once every 30 boots into linux :)
[06:52] <thoreauputic> ken: does it happen on every boot?
[06:52] <ken> Spisters: Ubuntu CANNOT look IN WINDOWS
[06:53] <jps> ubuntu just said: i see new data... my journal doesn't acknowledge this... it must be corrupt (it was just old info)... so the kernel fs driver fixed it
[06:53] <Ashton_K> It can, but what's the point.
[06:53] <Ashton_K> There's nothing there it can use.
[06:53] <john_> I wait for you to help this guy.
[06:53] <Ashton_K> Windows drivers don't work in Linux, executables aren't compatable.
[06:53] <holycow> !offtopic
[06:53] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[06:53] <Spisters> no need for this computer to run windows, thanks guys, and sorry for the nub questions I had someone tell me that it could look to windows but I kinda suspected the guy was full of it, I mean thats like saying Apple can use windows
[06:53] <max_> how do you enable direct rending
[06:53] <holycow> !bitchfest
[06:53] <Ashton_K> john, have you burned it to a disc and booted it ?
[06:53] <adrift> OK, no answer to the WoW question? That's fine, i have another question. I have an x86-64 chip and am having problems with flash in the 64 bit version of Firefox, so i've been using Swiftfox as a work around, but i'm wondering if i'm missing anything with Firefox and if so how would i be able to get flash to work in firefox?
[06:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bitchfest - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:53] <holycow> !complain
[06:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about complain - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:54] <john_> No im not talking about that
[06:54] <holycow> touche we need some entries on that
[06:54] <nix_ferret> Show of hands - what ubuntu/kubuntu re;eases is everyone using?
[06:54] <john_> Im talking about Connection sharing
[06:54] <max_> !language|holycow
[06:54] <ubotu> holycow: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:54] <Ashton_K> Oh boy, I don't know much about that.
[06:54] <adrift> ubuntu edgy
[06:54] <SilentDis> nix_ferret:  Ubuntu 6.10, installed Kubuntu after.
[06:54] <max_> how do you enable direct rending?
[06:54] <thoreauputic> guys, leave the poor bot alone :)
[06:54] <john_> would the mac directions work?
[06:54] <Spisters> I have heard though that you can get a program wrap around a windows driver for wireless cards to work in it?
[06:55] <Ashton_K> ndiswrapper.
[06:55] <adrift> holycow, man you seem to get yourself in all kinds of trouble here don't you lol
[06:55] <Ashton_K> Spotty, but a decent work around.
[06:55] <holycow> adrift, truth hurts
[06:55] <nix_ferret> anyone having the issue where you can't stream files from an XP box? (v6.10)
[06:55] <ken> jps: SilentDisjps: SilentDis: thoreauputic: Thank you and have a nice day, i will need to do some more experimentation to check whether the disk check is run everytime i write somehting from WIndows or was it a mere GODDAMN co-incidence that is causing all this worry to me
[06:55] <jps> just anyone can help me with my bug on network-manager?? i selected a static ip in ubuntu's default network tool an now network manager  complains it's not connected anymore
[06:55] <thoreauputic> ken: apart from the swearing, you're welcome :)
[06:56] <foglight> adrift: not much in the way of 64bit support form multimedia plugins
[06:56] <john_> Hello?
[06:56] <nix_ferret> Thinking about trying feisty herd1
[06:56] <jps> ken> reboot your ubuntu... see if the check dissapears... it should...
[06:56] <SilentDis> ken:  no troubles.  happy Chrismahanukwanzakah!
[06:56] <Spisters> How much room does Ubuntu need, I have a 2 gig drive, can I use that as my master and save my 80 gig as a slave for file space?
[06:56] <holycow> jps, you can set that up manuall in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:56] <Ashton_K> Sure.
[06:56] <jps> then boot windows again and write something to ext3 again.. and see
[06:56] <nix_ferret> Anyone try feisty yet?
[06:56] <adrift> foglight, yeah, i've been noticing that. very disappointed
[06:56] <john_> Argh...
[06:56] <Ashton_K> That 2 gig should be big enough to split between /boot and swap.
[06:56] <Ashton_K> Then use the 80 gig for root.
[06:56] <holycow> jps, you need to ifdown eth0 or whatever interface it is, change it to static ip, then do iface eth0 up
[06:56] <Ashton_K> Or split that between root and /home, if you want to.
[06:56] <ken> ok bye
[06:56] <foglight> adrift: 64bit is mostly for servers
[06:56] <max_> how do you enable direct rending?
[06:56] <SilentDis> nix_ferret:  I might mess with it in march or so... lol
[06:56] <deebu> is gnome 2.16 faster than 2.14 or the same???
[06:57] <john_> im sad :(
[06:57] <holycow> oops sorry last one should be ifup eth0
[06:57] <jps> holycow> i used system->administration->networking....  now the network-manager applet thinks im offline
[06:57] <adrift> foglight, why do they sell it to client consumers then?
[06:57] <Spisters> wow, I kinda just put the dot in the one I want, how do I say use this as home?
[06:57] <deebu> is gnome 2.16 faster than 2.14 or the same??? if yes...is there a big difference?
[06:57] <nix_ferret> can u upgrade to gnome 2.16 in the package manager?
[06:57] <Spisters> man I feel stupid
[06:57] <foglight> adrift: sell what?
[06:57] <jps> holycow> i even rebooted the box... it still thinks im offline lol
[06:57] <holycow> jps, sounds like its not reading the  interfaces file.
[06:57] <foglight> adrift: if you want to do video editing
[06:58] <holycow> jpiccolo, you don't need to reboot linux, just shutdown and startup eth card
[06:58] <SilentDis> deebu:  define 'faster'.  I didn't notice a speed improvement going from 2.14>2.16.  the biggest change, for me at least, between dapper and edgy, was my boot time was cut in half lol
[06:58] <thoreauputic> nix_ferret: afaik edgy uses 2.16
[06:58] <jps> holy>yeah... strange isnt it?
[06:58] <Spisters> would I use "manually edit partition table" to set that up? or can I not use the GUI loader?
[06:58] <holycow> jps, it happens, easily fixed, let me get you a sample interface file to look at
[06:59] <SilentDis> nix_ferret:  a lot of stuff that's in edgy is available in dapper, via the backports.
[06:59] <Ashton_K> One last attempt, try to brute force my way to wireless joy with ndiswrapper.
[06:59] <SilentDis> !backports | nix_ferret
[06:59] <ubotu> nix_ferret: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[06:59] <Ashton_K> If this doesn't work, I'll try a different distro.
[06:59] <holycow> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/change-ubuntu-server-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address/
[06:59] <jps> what is the path to the interface file again?
[06:59] <deebu> SilentDis, , i wanna go back to dapper.....as edgy is givin me probs...including loong boot time n blank screen bootup...should i go back? i see nothing special except FF 2.0..
[06:59] <adrift> foglight, i mean... seems like there's not many folks warning others that 64 bit should be server based. and no, i don't do video editing. guess i was one of the chumps that jumped on to the hype about 64 bit being the wave of the future.
[06:59] <holycow> jps, no rebooting required
[06:59] <thoreauputic> jps: /etc/network/interfaces
[06:59] <nix_ferret> hmm, thanks guys. Goin to check it now
[07:00] <foglight> adrift: its not like nintendo vs nintendo 64 ;)
[07:00] <SilentDis> deebu:  Firefox 2.0 is available in dapper-backports (i think), so if that's all you saw that you wanted, you can safely go back.  but, we MIGHT be able to help you with your edgy woes here you know :)
[07:00] <deebu> SilentDis, but for me dapper booted slightly faster...n with a pretty usplash..in edgy i dont see anythin on bootup..
[07:00] <adrift> foglight, lol, true
[07:00] <Ashton_K> anyone know if ndiswrapper is in apt-get?
[07:00] <foglight> adrift: wikipedia has a nice article on 64bit
[07:00] <thoreauputic> !ndiswrapper
[07:00] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:01] <deebu> SilentDis, ive tried a LOT to fix the usplash issue...on forums too...bu to no avail...do u know how i can make the usplash appear? i see a blank screen until gdm comes..
[07:01] <n2diy> Why does Firefox refuse to accept cookis?
[07:01] <deebu> SilentDis, i can also use swiftfox which would be better:)
[07:01] <idlemind> n2diy; it's now hungry
[07:02] <SilentDis> deebu:  i lost mine when I was messing with the ubuntu satanic edition usplash replacement rofl.  I'm going through the usplash info i can find now though.  might be a day or 2 before I'm comfortable guiding someone else though it though :)
[07:02] <adrift> foglight, yeah. i've seen it. it just seems that most magazines like Maximum PC, and articles online and what not... well they seem to push 64bit tech as the thing to get if you want to be one step ahead of the masses especially in gaming and high end apps. but i'm finding it a nuisance more than anything
[07:02] <n2diy> iblemind, I feed him.
[07:03] <n2diy> idlemind, I feed him.
[07:03] <holycow> adrift, not only that, its mostly pointless for average applications
[07:03] <Spisters> thank you for the wireless information
[07:03] <john_> too late
[07:03] <john_> heheh
[07:03] <john_> i heard firestarter can connection share..
[07:03] <john_> is this true?
[07:03] <holycow> very ffew things can actually use the power of 64'bitness
[07:03] <john_> dont you card have linux drivers?
[07:03] <john_> your*
[07:03] <idlemind> n2diy; that's the problem; he won't take cookies till u make him hungry; cut off his lil fox food and he'll take every cookie u throw his way
[07:03] <adrift> so when will this change, or will it?
[07:03] <john_> Intel has linux chipset drivers.
[07:03] <deebu> on my hardware...ubuntu's been getting worse with every release!
[07:03] <adrift> Vista?
[07:03] <Telroth_Plushie|> Merry Christmas all
[07:03] <john_> Help me now?
[07:03] <holycow> adrift, when ftp clients somehow start to require 64'bit related power?
[07:04] <SilentDis> Telroth_Plushie|, happy Chrismahanukwanzakah!
[07:04] <Spisters> lets say I fill up the 2 gig drive with programs, would I be able to install programs on my IDA slave drive?
[07:04] <holycow> maybe ms can do something about that
[07:04] <john_> Happy festivus.
[07:04] <n2diy> idlemind, ok, thanks.
[07:04] <john_> Festivus for the rest of us.
[07:04] <deebu> but i FEEL gnome 2.16 is a BIT faster in loading apps than dapper...wonder if u'll agree..?
[07:04] <n2diy> 73 all, and merry Xmas.
[07:04] <SilentDis> john_, i prefer Chrismahanukwanzakah lol
[07:04] <deebu> SilentDis,
[07:04] <adrift> i wish someone pointed this all out to me 4 months ago :D
[07:04] <deebu> SilentDis, but i FEEL gnome 2.16 is a BIT faster in loading apps than dapper...wonder if u'll agree..?
[07:04] <john_> Festivus isnt about material things though.
[07:05] <john_> its about how everyone dissapointed you that year.
[07:05] <deebu> guess what? my cousins saw my cool ubuntu desktop n praised it n began askin me abt the OS:)
[07:05] <jps> you guys were talking about backports...
[07:05] <jps> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper-backports/allpackages
[07:05] <idlemind> does ubuntu desktop and ubuntu server have different forums?
[07:06] <adrift> Festivus lol. I love Seinfeld. How do we incorporate Festivus into the discussion in order to stay on topic and not get the Gods angry? :D
[07:06] <SilentDis> deebu:  eh *shrug*.  i found beryl easier to play with in edgy lol.  they both have their advantages (edgy is bleeding edge tech in some respects, dapper is very very stable).
[07:06] <jps> have  a look.. it does not have firefox 2.0 or anything remotely useful
[07:06] <john_> will mac commands work in terminal.
[07:06] <nix_ferret> If I'm having an issue with gnome-vfs and I need to install a diff version, what's the best way?
[07:06] <john_> i never used a mac. so u dunno.
[07:06] <john_> *I
[07:06] <Spisters> I use a mac, but I never use terminal in mac so I could try some if you like
[07:07] <holycow> nix_ferret, wait for the next ubuntu update and post bugreports
[07:07] <john_> well ifconfig is in linux right/
[07:07] <SilentDis> adrift:  i think we'll hit an !offtopic before it gets too far rofl
[07:07] <john_> ??
[07:07] <Spisters> yeah
[07:07] <Spisters> let me check if it is in mac hold on
[07:07] <adrift> SilentDis, yeah probably.
[07:07] <jps> anyone here uses dapper and backports... and uses it for any important package?
[07:07] <nix_ferret> Bug report is listed as fixed, but it's not. No way to force install?
[07:07] <thoreauputic> john_: macs now use bash, so some commands are the same - but macs have extra ones that are not bash
[07:08] <Spisters> yes it does work
[07:08] <adrift> so what am i missing in firefox compared to swiftfox?
[07:08] <john_> Well i trying to follow these instruction but they are mac only
[07:08] <adrift> er... with swiftfox that should read
[07:08] <SilentDis> you know... never used that...
[07:08] <SilentDis> !swiftfox
[07:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about swiftfox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:09] <thoreauputic> john_: the mac file system structure is entirely different - i wouldn't use mac instructions
[07:09] <thoreauputic> john_: what are you trying to do ?
[07:09] <adrift> darn it, i was hoping for easy answers here without doing a search. :D ok nevermind then.
[07:09] <holycow> it's also bsd
[07:09] <Spisters> I have a sneaking suspicion that OSX is just a fancy linux build because they keep updating it with things that are already commonly found in linux boots, and if everyone else already knows this then I guess I look stupid again tonight
[07:09] <holycow> lots of difference that matter there
[07:09] <deebu> its child's play to install swiftfox in dapper or edgy...go to http://getswiftfox.com/debian.htm
[07:09] <john_> well im trying to get my nintendo ds to work online. and it dont like my routers.
[07:10] <thoreauputic> holycow: pretty bastardised bsd though I'm afraid
[07:10] <john_> so im trying internet share.
[07:10] <holycow> thoreauputic, *nod* yeah :/
[07:10] <adrift> i have swiftfox, i was just wondering what the "major" differences would be.
[07:10] <Spisters> I have actually head about that happening, you may need to turn on port forwarding
[07:10] <thoreauputic> john_: nintendo? Why are you asking here? *laughs*
[07:11] <Spisters> where is that off topic thing now??
[07:11] <Spisters> haha j/k
[07:11] <john_> no im trying to get ICS on linux
[07:11] <john_> but i dunno how
[07:11] <adrift> I know a lot of people use Opera because of firefox's memory usage, do you folks recommend any browser over another?
[07:11] <thoreauputic> ----->>> #ubuntu-offtopic  *grin*
[07:11] <nix_ferret> What are the major diffs b/w dapper and edgy?
[07:11] <Ashton_K> Argh, ndiswrapper didn't work.
[07:11] <john_> ICS is off topic?
[07:11] <Spisters> man firefox is pretty nice, I can over look it's memory usage
[07:11] <Ashton_K> Why, oh why, does my computer hate me?
[07:12] <VR_> Edgy sucks
[07:12] <zcat[1] > john_: sudo apt-get install firestarter
[07:12] <VR_> =)
[07:12] <deebu> yes edgy sucks!
[07:12] <nix_ferret> lol, ok. I think i'm seeing that
[07:12] <zcat[1] > ics == connection sharing ?
[07:12] <john_> yes
[07:12] <adrift> deebu, why exactly?
[07:12] <john_> ok ill try that.
[07:12] <john_> thanks
[07:12] <nix_ferret> seriously, are you ppl running dapper?
[07:12] <zcat[1] > install firestarter, there's a checkbox to share the connection just like in 'doze
[07:13] <deebu> adrift, i get blinking cursor loooooong bootup!
[07:13] <VR_> dapper feels better, to me.
[07:13] <zcat[1] > makes it too easy
[07:13] <holycow> nix_ferret, nope edgy here
[07:13] <Spisters> ha, the grinch stole christmas is on!
[07:13] <Spisters> kick ass
[07:13] <holycow> it works pretty well
[07:13] <john_> does it make ssids as well?
[07:13] <Spisters> oops
[07:13] <zcat[1] > ssids ?
[07:13] <VR_> it rhymes too
[07:13] <VR_> dapper is better
[07:13] <nix_ferret> I like it, but I NEED to be able to stream mp3 and vids from my XP box.
[07:13] <john_> dunn whta a ssid is?
[07:13] <Spisters> sorry about that @$$ word
[07:14] <john_> its so it emulates an access point
[07:14] <adrift> deebu, really? I've used dapper and edgy and to tell the truth, i haven't noticed a significant difference. course, i'm still pretty new to Ubuntu
[07:14] <zcat[1] > suspect you mean allocate addresses.. dhcp. That's a checkbox in firestarter too
[07:14] <john_> so a laptop can see it as an access point.
[07:14] <Spisters> anyway system is now installing and I guess I will deal with it if I decides it does not like me, have a good one guys, thanks for the hell
[07:14] <Spisters> help*
[07:14] <SilentDis> deebu:  the only major difference i've noticed between edgy and dapper was in edgy, it was VERY simple to setup Beryl.  rofl
[07:14] <zcat[1] > ahhh.. ok, that's a little harder. You need to set up an adhoc wireless network first.
[07:15] <fivre> how can I get ubuntu to recognize my new monitor's possible resolutions and refresh rates and such?
[07:15] <thoreauputic> !fixres
[07:15] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:15] <john_> how do i do that?
[07:15] <Ashton_K> Son of a!
[07:15] <zcat[1] > which is in network settings. I'm not sure a regular card can properly act as an AP, I think you have to set up adhoc at both ends.
[07:15] <Ashton_K> Ndiswrapper says all of these drivers are invalid.
[07:16] <adrift> yeah, beryl works pretty swell with edgy, i had to do a lot of searching in order to get things running with amd64, but even as a novice i haven't had too many problems getting things to gell
[07:16] <Ashton_K> What the heck?
[07:16] <VR_> gell?
[07:16] <VR_> HA!
[07:16] <andy__> hello all
[07:16] <thoreauputic> !hi
[07:16] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[07:16] <deebu> adrift, depends on hardware..
[07:16] <zcat[1] > !adhoc
[07:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adhoc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:17] <SilentDis> andy__, welcome and happy Chrismahanukwanzakah!
[07:17] <zcat[1] > bah
[07:17] <zcat[1] > !wifi
[07:17] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:17] <zcat[1] > It's probably in there somewhere ;)
[07:17] <SilentDis> !adhoc is wifi
[07:17] <john_> so is there guide for adhoc?
[07:17] <john_> this will go over ICS right?
[07:17] <jps> a [
[07:17] <adrift> My biggest problem with Ubuntu all in all is trying to get the whole thing as user friendly as i possibly can for my girlfriend. I don't mind using the terminal, but i know she'll lose patience if she has to. so i'm trying to do my best with games like WoW and keeping Beryl working with out her getting headaches
[07:18] <thoreauputic> SilenceGold: *cough* I don't think you have access to the bot, and that is the wrong way anyway
[07:18] <john_> thats all i need it to do.
[07:18] <QwertyM> adrift, I failed :p
[07:18] <jps> am I missing something? i can't see any firefox package in dapper backports
[07:18] <SilentDis> thoreauputic:  you're right on both counts.  :P
[07:18] <VR_> adrift: linux isn't for women, son
[07:18] <adrift> VR, LMAO, maybe
[07:18] <thoreauputic> SilenceGold: also your atempt gets reported :)
[07:18] <thoreauputic> *attempt
[07:18] <SilentDis> VR_, I take offence at that :P
[07:18] <adrift> QwertyM,  you failed trying to get it user friendly?
[07:18] <jps> or in any distro-backports for that matter
[07:19] <SilentDis> thoreauputic, oops.  rofl
[07:19] <adrift> deebu, what are you running hardware-wise?
[07:19] <carlfk_lap> adrift: if you want your GF to play games , better just run win
[07:19] <holycow> adrift, i find ubuntu very userfriendly for noobs
[07:19] <zcat[1] > give up on beryl. It's not reliable enough for regular users yet...
[07:19] <QwertyM> adrift, no, making my gf use it, even with beryl :p
[07:19] <holycow> adrift, what exactly are you trying to accomplish that isn't nicely polished up by default?
[07:20] <zcat[1] > install blubuntu-look for a start. It's much nicer than the default imho
[07:20] <deebu> adrift, samsung monitor...intel celeron 2.40 Ghz...integrated intel graphics
[07:21] <carlfk_lap> I apt-get installed nvidia-glx, replaced driver=nv with nvidia, but get (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
[07:21] <SilentDis> !envy | carlfk_lap
[07:21] <ubotu> carlfk_lap: envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy
[07:22] <carlfk_lap> i'll check  it out
[07:22] <zcat[1] > carl: you might have to modprobe it or reboot to get the module loaded first
[07:22] <adrift> holycow, well for one thing, getting games to play on Ubuntu is sometimes a chore. I have to use Wine, and even then there's stuff i'm struggling with, like being able to switch between a running game and the desktop. i know it can be done (in windows you just hit the "super" key). That's just one example.
[07:22] <SilentDis> carlfk_lap, I hate recommending the binary blobs... but the just work, and that script works PERFECTLY.
[07:22] <highneko> When switching workspaces aka desktops, things like folders or programs in my gnome panel stay on both desktops when they're blinking. How can I stop this blinking thing or stop them from staying on other workspaces?
[07:23] <holycow> adrift, oh your doing that wrong
[07:23] <john_> Zcat, that thing you gave me didnt help
[07:23] <holycow> adrift, IF you start off with getting linux to be windows you are going to fail
[07:23] <holycow> just keep her on windows if thats what she wants
[07:23] <carlfk_lap> SilentDis: I want to use the card's svideo, and I need the bin for that, right?
[07:23] <adrift> deebu, yeah your hardware is a bit detrimental i suppose. integrated graphics chip, why don't you spring about a hundred bucks for a graphics card?
[07:23] <knix> I'm having issues setting up JNDI resources with Tomcat 5.5 Ubuntu packages. The exact same resources work fine on everything else, and my own tomcat 5.5 from apache.org
[07:24] <adrift> holycow, yeah i realize that, but for those who've only ever used Windows... well the curve is still there.
[07:24] <adrift> me included
[07:24] <zcat[1] > john_: I'm not great with wifi.. perhaps someone else can help
[07:24] <holycow> the most successful approach for me has been to make them understand its different and thta it should be approached that way
[07:24] <holycow> adrift, actually i have found the opposite
[07:24] <deebu> adrift, i dotn earn...im  22 n studying...n i dont think dad will agree:)
[07:24] <SilentDis> carlfk_lap, I'm not sure if they've got the Svideo running in the free drivers yet.  I haven't looked at them since I started using the binary blobs back in dapper.  sorry :(
[07:25] <adrift> holycow, how's that?
[07:25] <holycow> adrift, i have one 60 year old dude (just had birthday last week) running ubuntu without any problem.  he has severe attention defecit syndrome too
[07:25] <holycow> as an example
[07:25] <john_> i got this crazy error trying to install firestarter.
[07:25] <holycow> and i'm not kidding, i can teach him how to do something one day he will forget it the next day
[07:25] <holycow> adrift, the gnome ui is self discoverable, thats the most important feature the gnome team brings to the table, little training required if any
[07:26] <holycow> adrift, what we DO gain is however, a very clear distinctio between tasks:  users tasks and administration tasks
[07:26] <zcat[1] > john: what error?
[07:26] <adrift> deebu, i'm in school too, (course i'm 31 and working almost full time with a GI BIll) but a hundred fifty for a close to state of the art graphics card isn't that hard to manage.
[07:26] <thoreauputic> holycow: that's not attention deficit - that's poor short-term memory ( happens to everyone eventually)
[07:26] <zcat[1] > !firestarter
[07:26] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[07:26] <SilentDis> moms are a lot less resistant to change, i've found.  my mom is running ubuntu happily hehe
[07:26] <holycow> linux is fairly clear on those roles and most users expect to be a user and admin if they come from windows
[07:26] <zcat[1] > !search firestarter
[07:26] <ubotu> Found: firewall,firestarter
[07:27] <Ashton_K> If you'll excuse the language, whoever made this Simply Mepis disk was a f*cking idiot.
[07:27] <Ashton_K> It won't let me logon to the live CD.
[07:27] <holycow> thoreauputic, lol
[07:27] <Ashton_K> Stupidest thing ever.
[07:27] <deebu> adrift, i know not too expensive...but as i said dad wont agree to it...n im in india:)
[07:27] <holycow> adrift, very cool btw :) thats a hard thing to do
[07:27] <thoreauputic> holycow: I'm serious - as you get older your short term memory gets worse :)
[07:27] <SilentDis> thoreauputic, where am I again?
[07:28] <holycow> thoreauputic, he owns the company i work for ... trust me, its add :) this is one unique fellow
[07:28] <holycow> and yes i took a chance at getting my self fired
[07:28] <holycow> >_<
[07:28] <holycow> lol
[07:28] <thoreauputic> SilentDis: this is your third lap of the goldfish bowl ;p
[07:28] <thoreauputic> holycow: OK I trust you :)
[07:28] <SilentDis> thoreauputic, woohoo!  3rd lap!  lmao
[07:28] <holycow> the weirdest thing is, he can't really tell the dif between the old system and new, and has never called me once to fix anything
[07:28] <holycow> heh
[07:29] <thoreauputic> SilentDis: you just forgot the first two :)
[07:29] <SilentDis> thoreauputic, well... that is the problem.  only 2 fins to count on and all...
[07:29] <adrift> holycow, yeah, but try getting my mom and dad to run Linux... I mean, if all they did was get on the net or read email, i could get them on Ubuntu in a heart beat, but when it's hard for them to even do the simplest tasks in Windows, it makes me wonder how useful Linux will end up being to them. I still can't help but feel (as user friendly as the Debian spin-offs are) that Linux is just too complicated for the average Joe, and most Linux
[07:29] <adrift>  users are actually content with that.
[07:30] <Starcraftmazter> whats a good, FAST command-line ftp client?
[07:30] <thoreauputic> SilentDis: yes, evolution is aterrible burden ;p
[07:30] <thoreauputic> Starcraftmazter: lftp
[07:30] <Starcraftmazter> thanks
[07:30] <idlemind> this is my argument to that;
[07:30] <SilentDis> Starcraftmazter, good old ftp works for me lol
[07:30] <holycow> adrift, if they have problems with the simplest tasks ... whats the poitn of having windows then?
[07:30] <deebu> lol
[07:30] <holycow> adrift, they will just click on something and get spyware and viruses instantly
[07:30] <Starcraftmazter> I can't find a single GUI ftp client for linux which works...well
[07:30] <idlemind> linux is in most cases easier to use than windows; in most cases windows is harder; like ppl that use just the internet, email, and a word processor/excel ... but yet they buy a new computer every 2 years
[07:31] <erpo> Is there a way to convert a video to iPod format and load it onto an iPod without having to compile anything from source? I'm using Edgy.
[07:31] <SilentDis> Starcraftmazter, nautilus doesn't work for you?
[07:31] <holycow> adrift, just make sure they go through you when buying printers and things so they don't buy stuff that doesn't work
[07:31] <idlemind> why? because that's what everyone does; but if there needs don't change why should there hardware?
[07:31] <adrift> deebu, living in India make it harder to afford that 100 dollar card? I'm asking because i don't know, most Indians i know here in the States are extremely wealthy... so no offence
[07:31] <Starcraftmazter> nautilus does ftp? I didn't know
[07:31] <idlemind> because they don't know how to maintain what they have; and all they need is free.grisoft.com (avg free) and ad-aware from lavasoft
[07:31] <thoreauputic> Starcraftmazter: yup ftp://  or connect to server
[07:31] <SilentDis> Starcraftmazter, hit the text entry box, and type in an ftp addy.  should go right to it :)
[07:32] <idlemind> but the continual naivety of computing is it's own downfall; sometimes you just have to sit down and learn some of the basics
[07:32] <SilentDis> Starcraftmazter, if you need a login, the form is ftp://username@server.addy.com/
[07:32] <deebu> adrift, but more than 70% ppl in india are below poverty line...indians there are wealthy coz they are extremely successful n hardworking...
[07:32] <thoreauputic> SilenceGold: connect to server from the places menu is good too
[07:32] <holycow> idlemind, thats pretty much it, i would agree with that
[07:32] <idlemind> not outlook -> email but mua -> email and gui -> graphical user interface
[07:32] <noodz> hi, i have a weird problem... I just installed Edgy, and I can connect to wireless networks if I enter the SSID manually, but when I run network-admin or wifi-radar, it doesn't see any networks.  I know I'm in an area with at least 10 signals floating around
[07:32] <SurgeX> Run it as root
[07:32] <idlemind> until that message gets across to ppl then we're fighting an up=hill battle of he-said-she-said
[07:32] <noodz> i did
[07:33] <SurgeX> strange
[07:33] <SilentDis> thoreauputic, good point.  I'm just so 'used to' it at this point, direct text entry is just easier for me.  i forget not everyone has been at this for years :)
[07:33] <noodz> yeah, I didn't have this problem in earlier versions
[07:33] <jengc0i1> un_operateur: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38740/
[07:33] <SurgeX> I got Edgy I put mu SSID in the setup
[07:33] <thoreauputic> SilentDis: yes - I use lftp - or actually more often scp
[07:34] <noodz> right, but what if I don't know the SSID, I should be able to see a list
[07:34] <noodz> it just won't show it
[07:34] <J-_> merry christmas everyone =D 1 hour 33 minutes into christmas =)
[07:34] <cmweb> IS their any possible way to install ubuntu on a system with a 64MB ram?
[07:34] <SilentDis> J-_, happy Chrismahanukwanzakah!
[07:34] <adrift> deebu, i agree with that. and though i knew that with a population that's second only to what... China, the statistics for poverty are going to be waaay up there. figured if you had a computer at all, you were on of the lucky few, no?
[07:34] <SurgeX> yes use Xfce
[07:34] <SurgeX> Xubuntu
[07:34] <noodz> is there a console program (maybe one of the iw-s?) that will do it?
[07:34] <J-_> =)
[07:34] <SilentDis> !xubuntu | cmweb
[07:34] <ubotu> cmweb: Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[07:34] <holycow> noodz, sounds like your wireless card doesn't actually work
[07:34] <SurgeX> cmweb use Xubuntu
[07:34] <slicky> J-_:  christmas was over for like 7 hours and 37 minutes ;D
[07:34] <holycow> noodz, are you sure its supported?
[07:34] <thoreauputic> cmweb: yes, but you need to start from a bare bones install ( text/cli)
[07:34] <carlfk_lap> SilentDis: thanks.  envoy worked.  pretty cool
[07:35] <SilentDis> cmweb:  you'll need the alternate install disk, but it should run :)
[07:35] <J-_> slicky: hmm, which part of world are you in?
[07:35] <cmweb> on the system is currently Windows 98 i have the ubuntu 6.06 LTS disk
[07:35] <SurgeX> cmweb download the alternate cd
[07:35] <thoreauputic> SilenceGold: even xubuntu will struggle on 64 MB
[07:35] <noodz> holycow: i'm connected to a wireless network right now, and it has worked in every previous version of ubuntu right out of the box, so to say
[07:35] <cmweb> the cdrom does not accept cdrw
[07:35] <SilentDis> carlfk_lap, no troubles.  I rather like that little tool :)
[07:35] <cmweb> or cdr for that matter
[07:35] <K^Holtz> my videos that im playing on youtube are being rather sketchy.. is there something i dont have set up properly?
[07:35] <slicky> J-_:  sweden ;P  you?
[07:35] <noodz> holycow: it just won't see connections unless i manually specify the SSID
[07:36] <J-_> ah shoot, this is not the off topic channel, sorry.. #ubuntu-offtopic =D (Canada)
[07:36] <holycow> noodz, thats weird.  i'm not sure how to go about solving that one
[07:36] <thoreauputic> J-_: it's Christmas - so i won't kick you for being OT ;)
[07:36] <cmweb> Xubntu?
[07:37] <cmweb> http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[07:37] <noodz> holycow: does one of the iw- command line programs have an option for listing available SSID's? Maybe that would work
[07:37] <thoreauputic> well, not yet anyway ;)
[07:37] <K^Holtz> how do i check if i have the accelerated graphics for my nvidea set up right?
[07:37] <K^Holtz> theres that collored circle program or something like that...
[07:37] <slicky> J-_: big deal :P :)
[07:37] <J-_> thoreauputic: Thanks, Merry christmas =D
[07:37] <jengc0i1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38742/
[07:37] <thoreauputic> J-_: same to you :)
[07:37] <cmweb> my system is 64MB not 128
[07:38] <SilentDis> K^Holtz, in a terminal, type the following:  glxinfo | grep direct
[07:38] <daishadar> need some help- when installing ubuntu, it fails to load the live version; the x server gives me a "virtual screen too big for memory" error
[07:38] <holycow> noodz, i don't know, an alternative for scanning for networks is kizmet.  it is supposed to be top of the line for network scanning.  maybe try that?  but thats not a real answer, the network manager should show that info for you
[07:38] <thoreauputic> daishadar: specs? RAM?
[07:38] <_goofy_> is it possible to limit a NIC to just acces a the internet not the LAN
[07:38] <daishadar> is there a way to change the xorg.conf file when booting
[07:38] <deebu> adrift, i am one of the lucky few....but i really think a nive video card si a luxury..
[07:39] <K^Holtz> SilentDis: whoa.. lots of MISSING GLX display messages
[07:39] <SilentDis> K^Holtz, if it says "yes", you're set.  if you want to do a fast 'benchmark' of sorts, you can run glxgears -printfps, to get a quicky 'demo' as it were
[07:39] <daishadar> Pentium 3 600, 256 MB RAM, SiS graphics card (8MB I belive)?
[07:39] <cmweb> how do i download xubuntu
[07:39] <zspada15_> !xubuntu | cmweb
[07:39] <ubotu> cmweb: Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[07:39] <K^Holtz> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:39] <K^Holtz> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[07:39] <cmweb> Im their and i dont see the download
[07:39] <SilentDis> K^Holtz, then it's not setup, apparently lol.  were you trying the binary blob drivers?
[07:39] <zspada15_> cmweb: what os are you on now?
[07:39] <cmweb> ubuntu :0P
[07:39] <cmweb> :-P
[07:40] <thoreauputic> daishadar: sounds OK - try booting "recover/rescue" mode - and then run dpk-reconfigure xserver-xorg at the root prompt
[07:40] <SurgeX> cmweb: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/xubuntu-6.10-alternate-i386.iso
[07:40] <thoreauputic> um dpkg-reconfigure
[07:40] <K^Holtz> SilentDis: im not sure what ur talking about.. i know i had them set up properly, i think it got messed up when i upgraded to edgy
[07:40] <cmweb> i cant download this
[07:40] <SurgeX> why?
[07:40] <cmweb> dialup wont support it
[07:40] <cmweb> 600 Mb will take 2 weeks
[07:40] <SurgeX> Shipit is not available for Xubuntu :P
[07:41] <adrift> holycow, most windows users "do" have all kinds of spyware and viruses on their computers. i work at a local pc repair shop and that 's 80 percent of the stuff that comes in, and even though you don't run into a whole lot of that crap with linux (i'm assuming so far), even with spybot, adaware, avg, people still don't know how to run a computer. it's still not intuitive to the average joe for whatever reason. mostly because they choose no
[07:41] <adrift> t to maintain what they have. they think of a computer like it's a tv, not a car. so they don't go ahead and do simple stuff like run spybot and defrag a couple times a month with windows. either people need to overcome ignorance (which isn't going to happen unless it's taught in public schools) or they need something that just "works". I don't see any reason why someone can't plug in a computer with linux running and it just always "work
[07:41] <adrift> s", because we're so close with this tech, but for some reason we still have to run the terminal for whatever reason :D
[07:41] <SilentDis> K^Holtz, I recommend the envy script to a lot of people setting up their nvidia drivers. it just works.
[07:41] <daishadar> thoreauputic, thanks, i'll try it out and ping you if i have more questions :) (newbie)
[07:41] <thoreauputic> daishadar: if you can't install from the desktop CD try the alternate CD
[07:41] <SilentDis> !envy | K^Holtz
[07:41] <ubotu> K^Holtz: envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy
[07:41] <cmweb> So i need some way to use ubuntu 6.06 on a 64 MB machine
[07:41] <thoreauputic> daishadar: 256MB is on the efge for the desktop CD
[07:41] <holycow> adrift, *nog* TOOOTALY agree with that
[07:41] <thoreauputic> *edge
[07:42] <holycow> adrift, oh totall.  what is happening is that we have the technolgoy
[07:42] <daishadar> thoreauputic, oh, will the alternate CD run faster?
[07:42] <K^Holtz> SilentDis: does it only set up the nvidea drivers or is it one of those package deals
[07:42] <holycow> adrift, what we are busy doing as we can is build the gui interfaces to the subsystems
[07:42] <mike__> i have a issue, PM me if you would like to help
[07:42] <holycow> its going to take a while
[07:42] <thoreauputic> daishadar: the alternate is install only - but it uses less RAM
[07:42] <cmweb> Any one got any idead? is their away to install it with out gnome?
[07:43] <mike__> i have a issue, PM me if you would like to help
[07:43] <holycow> adrift, i totally see users the same way.  they want a fancy tv basically.  what i do is just do with the home users here is just lock them down
[07:43] <cmweb> !ask
[07:43] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:43] <thoreauputic> daishadar: i.e. you can only use the alternate CD to install to the hard drive
[07:43] <SilentDis> K^Holtz, it will download and install the 'official' drivers from nvidia.com, get all the packages you need to install them properly, and make sure it's setup right.  it's NOT like automatix or anything like that, it doesn't modify package files.  it uses the package manager to make sure it gets setup properly, and gets the .run file direct from nvidia for you.
[07:43] <holycow> i'm oversimplifying but mostly when you load up a ton of free games and the basics they are very happy
[07:43] <cmweb> ljl, come back
[07:44] <cmweb> WTF
[07:44] <cmweb> Im pulling 12KB out of this line
[07:44] <cmweb> HOLY CRAP
[07:44] <mike__> Dail up?
[07:44] <cmweb> yes
[07:44] <mike__> <-- FiOS
[07:44] <adrift> holycow, so do you think we're that far out from actually having a free gui that will take care of the average guy on the street who sees this as that fancy tv?
[07:45] <SurgeX> Hey, Does Ubuntu support the Intel Graphics Media Accelerator (900)?
[07:45] <zspada15_> cmweb: thats amazing
[07:45] <daishadar> thoreauputic, got it. that's probably more of what i wanted, but i'll try this first
[07:45] <zspada15_> i was pulling 2000 kb at school
[07:45] <holycow> adrift, i don't think there is an 'average guy on the street' unfortunately
[07:45] <cmweb> Estimated time for the xubuntu is 17Hours
[07:45] <SurgeX> wow
[07:45] <holycow> adrift, there are A LOT of subgroups to that demographic i think
[07:45] <K^Holtz> SilentDis: sounds pretty convenient..
[07:45] <SurgeX> Leave it you got no choice :P
[07:45] <zspada15_> cmweb: shit
[07:45] <zspada15_> cmweb: where do you live?
[07:46] <cmweb> Holt, florida
[07:46] <holycow> adrift, we haveto do better to define the sub demographic and go after each one individually
[07:46] <zspada15_> cmweb: i'd mail you xubuntu cd, but i dont know
[07:46] <adrift> how would we do that?
[07:46] <SilentDis> K^Holtz, it is.  i ran into one small problem with it ONE TIME, and the 'fix' was just to run the script again.
[07:46] <cmweb> damn their must be no one on the server tonight
[07:46] <holycow> adrift, research unfortunately
[07:46] <bazfoo> I should make a t-shirt that says "average guy on the street"
[07:46] <adrift> bazfoo, lol
[07:46] <cmweb> zspada15_: want a cd in return or 3
[07:46] <thoreauputic> daishadar: 600mhz and 256MB *should* run the live CD - bt I think for installing the alternate is safer ( you might get RAM issues with the graphical installer)
[07:47] <holycow> heh
[07:47] <zspada15_> cmweb: i'll do it for you within the next week
[07:47] <K^Holtz> SilentDis: i installed the package.. did u say i run it through synaptec?
[07:47] <SilentDis> bazfoo:  i'm wearing my "i'm part of the problem" t-shirt right now...
[07:47] <zspada15_> cmweb: dont send me a cd, i dont need them
[07:47] <zspada15_> cmweb: gramma just bought me a hundred pack of cdrs
[07:47] <adrift> I think there are more "average guys on the street" than most computer savvy people think. i know in my shop that the majority of folks who come in have zero clue.
[07:47] <cmweb> zspada15_: so did mine :-P
[07:47] <zspada15_> cmweb: really?
[07:48] <cmweb> zspada15_: yeah and now i got them stacked in my closet
[07:48] <zspada15_> cmweb: hehe
[07:48] <holycow> adrift, its not the zero clue part that worries me.  what i think is really important to understand is what they want to do with computers
[07:48] <zspada15_> hp?
[07:48] <idlemind> silentDis: LOL sounds like a sweet shirt
[07:48] <zspada15_> cmweb: join #spad-rc
[07:48] <SilentDis> K^Holtz, after you download the package, dbl click it, and install it.  once it's on your system, you'll have to switch to a straight terminal (ctrl-f1), and do a sudo envy.  it'll take care of the rest for you.  (it kills x, gdm, etc)
[07:48] <daishadar> thoreauputic, is it just that the live version requires more RAM? and after i install (with either live or alternate) i'll be ok?
[07:48] <drbreen> anyone here tried to get sugar on ubutnu running ?
[07:49] <SilentDis> idlemind:  http://www.tshirthell.com/ - some of the shirts are quite funny... others are quite offensive.  ymmv ;)
[07:49] <thoreauputic> daishadar: shoud be fine - but I strongly suggest the alternate CD for installing
[07:49] <adrift> holycow, well the younger generation is a bit more savvy, but with ipod being a number 1 seller (for example) people just want to plug in and play.
[07:49] <daishadar> thoreauputic, ok, i'll give that a shot instead
[07:49] <thoreauputic> daishadar: the problem lies with the installer, not the distro as such
[07:50] <thoreauputic> daishadar: the graphical *installer* uses more resources
[07:50] <holycow> adrift, i think we would find that between engineers, doctors, lawyers, labourers, all of them have different software requireements
[07:50] <daishadar> thoreauputic, oh, yikes. got it
[07:50] <thoreauputic> daishadar: merry Christmas ;)
[07:50] <holycow> adrift, the basic online experience is covered, but you know when the engineer asks you if he can load up engineering software what do you say?
[07:51] <daishadar> thoreauputic, haha thanks, you too ;)
[07:51] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:51] <mike__> im having issues installing fonts, PM if me if you would like to help
[07:51] <SilentDis> !ask | mike__
[07:51] <ubotu> mike__: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:51] <mike__> i would rather do it in PM
[07:51] <hope13> i can't see people lol
[07:51] <thoreauputic> mike__: keep your questions in channel so everyone can learn
[07:52] <PORDO> i can't find this package: gstreamer0.10-vorbis
[07:52] <hope13> brb
[07:52] <PORDO> am i missing a source or something?
[07:52] <thoreauputic> !msg
[07:52] <ubotu> Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first.
[07:52] <PORDO> do you guys find it in apt-cache?
[07:52] <SilentDis> PORDO, I think that's in either universe or multiverse...
[07:53] <SilentDis> !codecs | pordo
[07:53] <ubotu> pordo: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:53] <thompa> !beryl
[07:53] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[07:53] <SurgeX> !graphics
[07:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about graphics - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:53] <mike__> !fonts
[07:53] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[07:53] <holycow> mike__, just make sure the fontws are supported
[07:53] <holycow> and put them in your .fonts dir in your home dir
[07:54] <holycow> mike__, its pretty much that simple
[07:54] <adrift> holycow, true, but what about that woman i had in my shop the other day who was still using her typewriter and the library to make copies who doesn't want the hassle of downloading adobe whatever or buy Word in order to type up a document. should they be forced to learn tech? by now all of this should be second nature to folks. Even I find it difficult to figure out how to do things in Windows, not to mention Ubuntu in order to do even th
[07:54] <adrift> e simplest of tasks. Like i said, the ability to make all of this intuitive is out there, but for whatever reason we still have to make sure they enter a password just to log in. That's insanity (for them anyways).
[07:54] <b0red> hi. i have intel core2 cpu... so it supports 64bits... which version of ubuntu do i download?
[07:54] <hope13> i can't see the list of user for some reason
[07:54] <holycow> adrift, absolutely
[07:54] <hope13> you dl the 64 bit version iso
[07:55] <holycow> adrift, i think there A LOT of people like that
[07:55] <holycow> adrift, i might even try to service those people directly
[07:55] <jengc0i1> holycow:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38742/
[07:55] <b0red> hope13, but it's written for amd on the site For computers based on the AMD64 or EM64T architecture (e.g., Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon). It is not necessary for all (even most) processors made by AMD -- only their 64 bit chips
[07:55] <holycow> adrift, except there is a problem they are WAAAAY too cheap
[07:55] <holycow> adrift, i've helped out millionaires that balked at $80/hr service fees
[07:55] <PORDO> SilentDis what does this have to do with restricted formats?!
[07:55] <adrift> holycow, good point
[07:55] <jengc0i1> b0red: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38742/
[07:55] <hope13> i thought intel 64 bit ALU is basing it on AMD
[07:55] <PORDO> vorbis is non-proprietary.
[07:55] <holycow> adrift, in the end they are the cause of their own mysery -_-
[07:56] <hope13> i guess i'm wrong
[07:56] <hope13> sorry
[07:56] <holycow> adrift, and they alwyas think you are trying to upsell them on something too, heh
[07:56] <SilentDis> PORDO, i THINK the vorbis library got shoved into the universe or multiverse repos.  let me check right quick...
[07:56] <hope13> i don't have the user window on xchat anyone know how to enable it?
[07:56] <adrift> holycow, often, that's because they expect something simple out of something advance, that's why we have advancements in technology, to make life simple and well... cheap
[07:56] <K^Holtz> SilentDis: i dont think it worked so well
[07:57] <holycow> adrift, heh
[07:57] <SilentDis> K^Holtz, what happened?
[07:57] <b0red> hmm hope13?
[07:57] <PORDO> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe multiverse
[07:57] <PORDO> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe multiverse
[07:57] <holycow> adrift, mostly we have poorly engineered solutions to poorly thought out problems BECAUSE the clients are not interested/don't have time to really make the right decision
[07:57] <K^Holtz> SilentDis: i ran it, and it just went to a black screen, and i could type anything and it wouldnt come out of it.. i hit a CTRL F1 a bunch of times while i was in there and it finally rebooted
[07:57] <bazfoo> adrift: if you have an idea for eliminating passwords please let me know
[07:57] <K^Holtz> when i got back into ubuntu, i ran that command again, and it didnt work
[07:57] <jengc0i1> PORDO: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38742/
[07:57] <sushi_> anyone know a command line to instantly generate a hot girlfriend for me who will do anything i tell her to do ?  plz help thx
[07:57] <Arigato> !grub
[07:57] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:57] <K^Holtz> the command to test it
[07:58] <hope13> bored: on xchat program i don't have the window with the list of user; do you know how to enable it?
[07:58] <mike__> ok now i have another issue, how do i make it so my newly installed fonts veiwable on my desktop?
[07:58] <SilentDis> K^Holtz, i tried to say the instructions before you left... you must've missed 'em :)
[07:58] <K^Holtz> SilentDis: ic.. what were the instructions? i just typed sudo envy and let it run
[07:58] <holycow> adrift, so what ends up having is that because clients cannot understand the problem or solution, they put a premium on price.  they think that being cheap is an okay way to solve a problem, and it just results in them ending up with crappy solutions
[07:58] <adrift> yeah, that's not how it works unfortunately. the 60 year old guy i work with wants a computer that you just plug in and use, he wants the cell phone that has no extra features, you just turn on, dial up and talk. i want these things to, and like i said, its not nearly out of the realm of possibility to bring these things to customers, but for whatever reason, noone delivers
[07:58] <holycow> adrift, thus they are the cause of their own mysery
[07:59] <holycow> adrift, totally
[07:59] <SilentDis> K^Holtz, after you install the package, hit ctrl-f1.  log into that terminal.  THEN run sudo envy.  envy will kill off the x windows system, gdm, and any other graphical stuff running.  it will THEN install the driver for you, and offer to restart gdm at the end of the process.
[07:59] <mch> Anybody: is it possible to install off of the 5.10 live CD?
[07:59] <mike__> ok now i have another issue, how do i make it so my newly installed fonts veiwable on my desktop?
[07:59] <K^Holtz> ctrl F1 doesnt do anything for me if i hit it right now
[08:00] <SilentDis> K^Holtz, aargh, i am so sorry, i rebound my keys.  ctrl-alt-f1
[08:00] <holycow> adrift, and the frustrating part is you can't really do anything to get them to understand.  they glaze over at a multisylable sentence
[08:00] <K^Holtz> SilentDis: ok, ill try that
[08:00] <K^Holtz> brb
[08:00] <sushi_> hey anyone know the ubuntu apt-get command for a nice 19 y/o
[08:01] <_goofy_> is there a way to seperate a shared internet connection and  LAN connection between 2 NIC's
[08:01] <hope13> sweet i got it to work
[08:01] <sushi_> mch: yes
[08:02] <hope13> can i ask help about aiglx here or do i have to go to the xgl channel?
[08:02] <mch> sushi_: any details how? booting into the live os failed to provide any links/options for install. Any suitable links?
[08:02] <Senesence> VLC won't play my DVD's, I already got the libdvdcss2 and all the codecs. Anyone got any idea what the problem could be here?
[08:02] <n2diy> hope13: go for it.
[08:02] <hope13> yay
[08:03] <PORDO> I would KILL if someone here could help me figure out how to get dmix working on my ICH5 ac97 setup.
[08:03] <hope13> i was reading the howto compiz +aiglx on edgy
[08:03] <PORDO> i'm going to have an aneurysm -- i've been working on it all weekend.
[08:03] <hope13> and i don't get this: Warning !! compiz-quinn-aiglx and compiz-vanilla-aiglx are now deprecated !Gnome Compiz Manager replace them !
[08:03] <adrift> holycow, yeah. i agree. so more or less, i could hook up my parents with a fully operational system in say... Ubuntu, it just takes the time and dedication to set that system up. I mean... i'd love to do that for them, but then i have to contend (not only the time it would take to do that) but having them integrate the newly acquired knowledge with that that they face at work with windows 2000 or ME lol
[08:04] <hope13> what does that mean? lol
[08:04] <holycow> adrift, a bit yes.  one needs to install flash, codecs, games and lots of various niceties *nod*
[08:04] <pianoboy3333> How do I get chanserv to join my channel?
[08:04] <chimere> Hi, is there any GUI interface for VisualBoyAdvance for linux like in windows? (sorry bad english)
[08:05] <jercos> There's VBA express
[08:05] <Senesence> If you try to fast forward through your DVD's in totem, the whole thing freezes.
[08:06] <thoreauputic> pianoboy3333: ping a staffer I suppose
[08:06] <pianoboy3333> oh
[08:06] <ademan> is there any program that reads or imports power tab files?
[08:06] <sushi_> mch im sorry the live cd and the install cd are different on breezy.
[08:06] <chimere> euh, not that one jercos, i wanted the menus just like in windows where we can find OAM viewer and other functionnalities... (bad bad english)
[08:06] <mch> sushi_ as I thought, thanks all the same
[08:07] <adrift> holycow, sigh, well hopefully in the not to distant future we'll have something that will incorporate all of those things into a distro :D
[08:07] <holycow> adrift, you have it
[08:07] <holycow> its ubuntu
[08:07] <holycow> :)
[08:07] <sciboy> Bugga!
[08:07] <adrift> lol, more or less
[08:07] <Senesence> I can't play my DVD's :(
[08:07] <sciboy> My computer finally became unstable.
[08:08] <adrift> just gotta make sure they don't have a system that doesn't have 64 bit technology like me :D
[08:08] <holycow> sciboy, what does that mean exactly?
[08:08] <sciboy> holycow: I did a bunch of stuff i wasn't suppose to and it's freezing often for a year of abuse.
[08:08] <holycow> lol
[08:08] <sciboy> after a year*
[08:08] <holycow> sciboy, well look at it this way
[08:08] <sushi_> Senesence I use VLC with the restricted modules library installed
[08:08] <pianoboy3333> thoreauputic: easier than that actually
[08:08] <Naik0> Hello ive installed Candido GTK+2 Engine with "sudo dpkg -i package_name.deb"
[08:08] <holycow> if you reinstall you don't haveto 'ask permission' from redmon to actually use what you own
[08:08] <holycow> :)
[08:08] <fowlduck> Merry Christmas and goodnight
[08:08] <thoreauputic> pianoboy3333: ?
[08:08] <sushi_> Senesence restricted formats
[08:09] <Naik0> am i finished now?
[08:09] <pianoboy3333> thoreauputic: lol
[08:09] <holycow> sciboy, thats the best way to learn, be prepared to hose a systme and just giver
[08:09] <pianoboy3333> thoreauputic: I'm not sharing my secrets ;)
[08:09] <jercos> I just recently used the install/live CD for ubuntu dapper to expand my root partiton (ext3 from around 6 GB to around 30-ish GB) and now I have the exact same amount of free space (close to 1 GB). sudo du -s /* doesnt show nearly enough to account for 37 GB of data... any ideas what could be the problem?
[08:09] <Senesence> sushi_: I have VLC, and also libdvdcss2 all the codecs (easy ubuntu), but VLC won't play it.
[08:09] <sciboy> I saw it coming, but anyway since i'm doing a fresh install, i'm wondering what kind of desktop environment i should go for this time.
[08:09] <thoreauputic> pianoboy3333: I don't need your secrets - i can talk to nalioth or rob :)
[08:09] <sciboy> Up till now i've been using XFCE4 + Rox-filer.
[08:10] <pianoboy3333> thoreauputic: fine... /msg chanserv set <channel> guard on
[08:10] <thoreauputic> pianoboy3333: cool :)
[08:11] <hope13> um i'm trying to install AIGLX
[08:11] <Naik0> how can i see what GTK+2 Engine i use?
[08:11] <thoreauputic> pianoboy3333: since I have no intention of setting up a channel I can forget that immendiately ;p
[08:11] <hope13> i'm editing the sources.list and it doesn't work
[08:11] <adrift> how would you go about backing up so that these thing don't get completely hosed. Windows has the Restore feature which barely works half the time. is there something in Ubuntu that does a similar job?
[08:11] <thoreauputic> hope13: um
[08:11] <hope13> am i suppose to put "wget http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/root@lupine.me.uk.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -"?
[08:11] <GuLrs> anyone knows any sfv checker gui for linux?
[08:11] <hope13> in the list?
[08:11] <thoreauputic> !doesn't work
[08:11] <ubotu> Please elaborate, your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)
[08:12] <sciboy> Should i continue using ReiserFS?
[08:12] <thoreauputic> sciboy: why not?
[08:12] <holycow> sciboy, i stopped using it as soon as i heard about the issue
[08:12] <mheyn> halllo
[08:12] <sciboy> What issue would that be?
[08:12] <thoreauputic> holycow: enlighten me
[08:12] <holycow> sciboy, there are only maintainers for it, reiser3 is no longer supported and reiser4 is not fully in the kernel
[08:12] <Naik0> how can i see what GTK+2 Engine i use?
[08:12] <holycow> thoreauputic, thats what my reading on it reveals
[08:12] <adrift> also, what is the most user friendly distro in Linux? right now it seems to be Ubuntu.
[08:13] <adrift> is that correct?
[08:13] <adrift> again, for the average joe
[08:13] <thoreauputic> holycow: hmm - Reiser himself has problems and is selling his company, yeah
[08:13] <n2diy> hope13: adrift,  yep
[08:13] <holycow> until we see someone pick up reiser and run with it, its only going to be code that dies a slow death
[08:13] <GuLrs> anyone knows any sfv checker GUI for linux?
[08:13] <adrift> n2diy, OK that's what i thought
[08:13] <bazfoo> did he bail out of jail or is he still there?
[08:13] <thoreauputic> holycow: I expect some people will pick it up though ( the fs)
[08:13] <holycow> thoreauputic, yeah :/ sad i loved reiser
[08:13] <sciboy> Not the easiest, but certainly the most friendly, there are other ones that come pre installed with everything assuming the user doesn't have a clue.
[08:14] <holycow> thoreauputic, i would hope so, i really enjoyed it
[08:14] <hope13> am i suppose to put "wget http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/root@lupine.me.uk.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -" in the source.list for AIGLX?
[08:14] <sciboy> holycow: What do you use now?
[08:14] <n2diy> adrift, I don't know what your doing, but go for it.
[08:14] <thoreauputic> holycow: I hear ext4 is on the way though
[08:15] <adrift> i seem to see a lot of linux users who seem to denigrate ubuntu because of all the add-ons. is there another distro that you'd all recommend?
[08:15] <holycow> i decided ext3 was the way because it has the most robust file system toolset
[08:15] <jercos> Anybody have any ideas as to why there would be 30 GB of unaccounted for space taken up in an ext3 partition?
[08:15] <thoreauputic> hope13: that is a command - not something that goes in the file
[08:15] <sciboy> The addons is a good thing, it gives you better control over customisation
[08:15] <holycow> thoreauputic, yeah, ext4 isn't a huge gain though, i would love to see someone take reiser 4 and really do a number on the fs tools
[08:15] <hope13> oh thank you lol
[08:15] <thoreauputic> hope13: it is to get the gpg keys
[08:15] <sciboy> I personally don't need the kitchen sink by default.
[08:16] <sushi_> #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[08:16] <sciboy> Oh, and if i'm going to save all i can from my current reiserfs, what's the command again?
[08:17] <holycow> just save off /home and reinstall as whatever and restore /home
[08:17] <sushi_> What's the command for the cute warm christmas elf?
[08:17] <adrift> sciboy, that's what i thought, but seems i've heard complaints that ubuntu's add-ons take away from the ability of total customization. i've only ever used debian based linux products (specifically ubuntu and kubuntu) I know that Redhat was all the rage not long ago. what are the major disadvantages between Debian and the others?
[08:18] <wantamad> Merry Christmas!
[08:18] <nn> &2
[08:18] <ja> Merry Christmas wantamad.
[08:18] <wantamad> anybody know how to upgrade xorg 7.0 to xorg 7.1?
[08:18] <thoreauputic> adrift: you can customise Ubuntu asmuch as you like
[08:18] <thoreauputic> adrift: where did you hear otherwise?
[08:19] <holycow> adrift, its basically debian
[08:19] <holycow> adrift, what are 'addon's your talking about anyway?
[08:19] <hope13> =] 
[08:19] <thoreauputic> wantamad: what does 7.1 do that 7.0 doesn't do for you?
[08:19] <holycow> adrift, there are only packages, you install them then remove them, tahts it
[08:19] <hope13> i got AIGLX to work thx u
[08:19] <adrift> thoreauputic, people on Digg.com seem to be the major complainers
[08:19] <hope13> thx u thxu
[08:19] <sciboy> adrift: I can't really make a point for point comparison, but the main advantage for Debian distro's is the fact that alot of the tools are centered around the APT tool, if i want for example to get the latest nvidia drivers i use 'module-assistant auto-install nvidia' it'll automatically apt the drivers and build a package and install it for me.
[08:20] <thoreauputic> adrift: and how knowledgeable are the complainers, do you think?
[08:20] <wantamad> 7.1 has aiglx built-in. it makes beryl run on less cpu usage
[08:20] <adrift> i'd say... probably moderately to advanced
[08:20] <sciboy> adrift: There is no such thing as an unbiased opinion though, i've been using Debian for 5 years and counting now.
[08:21] <thoreauputic> wantamad: OK - I don't know what the edgy version is to be honest
[08:21] <PORDO> debian needs to stop using Condorcet elections, and switch to range voting.
[08:21] <holycow> adrift, on digg.com all i see is praise for ubuntu
[08:21] <PORDO> http://rangevoting.org/Debian2003.html
[08:21] <holycow> adrift, which frankly i was surprsed considering you and i know EXACTLY what sorts of users they are :)
[08:21] <sciboy> adrift: I highly recommend Ubuntu, it's friendly without being crippled in any way.
[08:21] <thoreauputic> adrift: people from non debian distros often don't understand the Debian Way (tm)
[08:21] <ja> l
[08:21] <adrift> sciboy, well as far as i can tell, according to time lines and what not... seems that most folks find Debian to be ahead of the curve only just recently. and that eventually something bigger and better will come along with one of the older or other distros
[08:21] <PORDO> I hate how ubuntu is all african themed.  I want something blue and european feeling...something very empirialist.
[08:22] <wantamad> im still using dapper. i dont want to upgrade to edgy yet. i just want to update xorg to 7.1
[08:22] <cstrippie> #beryl
[08:22] <cstrippie> oops
[08:22] <bazfoo> I think red hat is somewhat favored by corporations
[08:22] <holycow> adrift, actually no
[08:22] <PORDO> bazfoo well that makes sense.
[08:22] <sciboy> adrift: What difference does the past and the future make? Look at the solutions available to you now.
[08:22] <PORDO> i'd absolutely _kill_ to get my sound working with dmix in ubuntu.  alsa is a nightmare.
[08:22] <thoreauputic> wantamad: sound like a recipe for headaches to me
[08:22] <holycow> adrift, debian has been ahead of the game for a fairly long time.  pretty much ever since apt/dpkg came around
[08:22] <cstrippie> bazfoo - based on the quarterlies just issued, I'd say Red Hat s doing *extremely* well at the corp. level.
[08:23] <sciboy> adrift: I'll agree there has been huge improvements in usability since i started, with that said i don't see it getting any worse any time soon;
[08:23] <PORDO> hey someone help me out here: sudo apt-cache search gstreamer | grep vorbis
[08:23] <PORDO> gstreamer0.8-vorbis - Vorbis plugin for GStreamer
[08:23] <PORDO> why can't i find 0.10?
[08:23] <skroll> is there a way in ubuntu to use a local drive in a vmware player virtual machine?
[08:23] <PORDO> i need vorbis support for my music.
[08:23] <thoreauputic> PORDO: are you on edgy?
[08:23] <PORDO> yup
[08:24] <adrift> holycow, ok, well good. that's sorta what i wanted to know.
[08:24] <thoreauputic> PORDO: have you installed vorbis-tools ?
[08:24] <thoreauputic> !vorbis-tools
[08:24] <ubotu> vorbis-tools: several Ogg Vorbis tools. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.1-5 (edgy), package size 92 kB, installed size 728 kB
[08:24] <wantamad> i agree thoreauputic. its just that i want beryl to run faster
[08:24] <PORDO> thoreauputic good point.
[08:24] <hope13> does beryl and aiglx takes up a lot of resources?
[08:25] <wantamad> xgl and beryl takes a lot of cpu share
[08:25] <wantamad> for me
[08:25] <adrift> To tell the truth, i've always found IRC chats more complicated than they have to be, but with XChat and this channel, i feel pretty comfortable to ask questions to you all and getting straight answers that i often can't get even in online forums
[08:25] <thoreauputic> wantamad: I don't know for sure, but I think edgy probably uses a newer libc6 - so you would be looking at some serious breakage I suspect
[08:25] <PORDO> thoreauputic doesn't work.  i still need the gstreamer plugins.
[08:25] <wantamad> yea. ill try edgy out
[08:26] <PORDO> i feel trapped though adrift, because i just have this...sort of "basic' question about getting dmix working, and i can't find the answer anywhere.  i use forums, i ask in #alsa... nothing works.
[08:26] <thoreauputic> PORDO: if you have lots of room, install all the gstreamer plugins ;) sudo apt-get install gstreamer*
[08:26] <PORDO> i've spent the past two weekends on it.
[08:26] <hope13> how do i check cpu usage?
[08:26] <hope13> =] 
[08:26] <PORDO> thoreauputic they don't exist.
[08:26] <sciboy> PORDO: What about Dmix?
[08:26] <PORDO> thoreauputic so my sources.list must be messed up.
[08:26] <thoreauputic> PORDO: ah
[08:26] <PORDO> sciboy i can't get dmix working for my ICH5
[08:26] <holycow> adrift, lol, actually the ops are all doing the xmas thing
[08:26] <holycow> adrift, most of our conversation has been waaaay offtopice
[08:26] <wantamad> i use a system monitor called conky
[08:26] <thoreauputic> !easysource | PORDO
[08:26] <ubotu> PORDO: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:26] <sciboy> PORDO: You need to be more specific than that.
[08:26] <cstrippie> hope13 - Beryl was painfully slow on my old laptop (3.2ghzP4 w/Radeion 9800), but appears to have no real effect on my current lappie (2ghz Core2Duo w/ATI X1400)
[08:26] <holycow> mostly the q/a's are limited to technical answers
[08:27] <PORDO> thoreauputic http://rangevoting.org/Debian2003.html
[08:27] <PORDO> oops
[08:27] <PORDO> sudo apt-cache search gstreamer | grep vorbis
[08:27] <PORDO> gstreamer0.8-vorbis - Vorbis plugin for GStreamer
[08:27] <sciboy> PORDO: First step to finding a solution is knowing the cause of the problem.
[08:27] <PORDO> i don't find gstreamer0.10-vorbis
[08:27] <thoreauputic> PORDO: yes I saw that already
[08:27] <PORDO> sciboy okay, so what's the cause of my problem?
[08:27] <adrift> PORDO, yeah, occasionally i get unanswerable questions like that too, you just have to dig a bit deeper or stay on chats like this long enough and eventually someone comes up with the solution
[08:27] <hope13> oh
[08:27] <thoreauputic> PORDO: what exactly are you doing (ie there may be a diferent answer)
[08:28] <SuperLag> /lastlog is your friend
[08:28] <cstrippie> hope - the general consensus was that the Radeon 9800, not the P4 was the problem
[08:28] <adrift> holycow, i realize that lol. still, like you said before, sometimes knowing the why helps understanding the how
[08:28] <sciboy> PORDO: For the record you don't need to use grep, apt-cache search gstreamer vorbis should work fine.
[08:28] <sciboy> PORDO: Oh and apt-cache shouldn't require superuser priveleges either.
[08:28] <hope13> o
[08:28] <thoreauputic> PORDO: phrase your question as "I want to do X"
[08:29] <PORDO> sciboy http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=324642
[08:29] <hope13> cstrippie: oh thx, i'm running on celeron m intel integrated graphic card; I think it's running ok
[08:29] <PORDO> i didn't realize apt-cache didn't need superuser.
[08:29] <PORDO> net.
[08:29] <PORDO> neat
[08:29] <PORDO> thoreauputic http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=324642
[08:29] <PORDO> that's my asound.conf issue.
[08:29] <cstrippie> hope - np - ATI drivers seem to have a somewhat bad reputation for beryl/aiglx
[08:30] <PORDO> i have my digital optical out, and my analog out working...just not with dmix, so each one can only be used by one app at a time.  extremely annoying.
[08:30] <thoreauputic> PORDO: ah - you really need someone like crimsun - I'm no sound person
[08:30] <cstrippie> Tho, again, my x1400 loves beryl.
[08:30] <sciboy> Guys, what's the recommended way to move the contents of an entire filesystem?
[08:30] <thoreauputic> PORDO: have you tried asking on the users mailing list?
[08:30] <hope13> um i accidentally close the window lol
[08:30] <PORDO> thoreauputic yeah, he has always been the only one who could help me, except he's kind of mean and impatient, even when i try to do exactly what he says.
[08:30] <sciboy> Cause i know symlinks etc. may cause problems with a normal cp.
[08:30] <thoreauputic> PORDO: my experience is the exact opposite
[08:30] <PORDO> i don't like the idea of mailing lists.
[08:31] <PORDO> i believe in RSS feeds, and forums.
[08:31] <thoreauputic> PORDO: your call
[08:31] <sushi_> if your box loves composite managers, then you must be running nVidia.
[08:31] <zomghax> hi
[08:31] <zomghax> banana
[08:31] <PORDO> thoreauputic i'll probably have to wait until i can run into crimsun again.
[08:31] <thoreauputic> PORDO: you are losing a valuable resource
[08:31] <PORDO> to me, the entire structure of alsa's asound.conf system is archaic.
[08:31] <PORDO> it's maddening.
[08:31] <thoreauputic> ie mailing lists
[08:31] <PORDO> thoreauputic stuff getting sent to me email inbox?!
[08:31] <PORDO> crazy.
[08:31] <adrift> holycow, so are you a big Dawkins fan? I started watching the film you directed me too, and am actually restarting it now about 19 minutes in.
[08:32] <thoreauputic> PORDO: over and out: you haven't listened to me
[08:32] <PORDO> I emailed richard dawkins once and he wrote me a nice response.
[08:32] <PORDO> thoreauputic okay, what's the link to sign up for the list?
[08:32] <zomghax> how is this about ubuntu?
[08:32] <PORDO> thoreauputic i'll give it a shot.
[08:32] <thoreauputic> !lists
[08:32] <ubotu> mail is another medium to communicate. Ubuntu mailinglists can be found at http://lists.ubuntu.com
[08:32] <holycow> adrift, oh totally, the single person that actually has logically organized all of his beliefs
[08:32] <adrift> PORDO, really?
[08:32] <PORDO> zomghax it's Festivus.  c'mon.
[08:32] <zomghax> lol
[08:32] <zomghax> but people need help
[08:32] <holycow> adrift, the coolest thing about dawkins is you can take his entire belief system, write it down in a list and try to prove/disprove each one of them
[08:32] <PORDO> holycow I strive to be like dawkins. :)
[08:32] <holycow> adrift, in comparison i feel like a complete retard :)
[08:33] <zomghax> isnt there an admin?
[08:33] <zomghax> better watch out
[08:33] <holycow> PORDO, i have been influenced to reach the same level of understanding too
[08:33] <zomghax> watch ur back!
[08:33] <adrift> holycow, really? as a christian, i of course have a few issues with some of his theories :D but i still think the concept of meme's for instance is obviously amazing
[08:33] <unikon> thoreauputic u are a op correct
[08:33] <zomghax> no
[08:33] <holycow> lol we should stop indeed
[08:33] <zomghax> Christian?
[08:33] <zomghax> nonono
[08:33] <hope13> lol what key is the "super" key on the keyboard? >,> lol
[08:33] <sciboy> Anyone recommend Beryl?
[08:33] <PORDO> dawkins is good at disassembling the anthropological argument err.. "anthropic" principle, or whatever it's called that theists always try to use.  "the universe looks designed.."
[08:33] <unikon>  who needs eye candy
[08:33] <hope13> i recommend it cuz i just did it
[08:33] <hope13> lol
[08:33] <sciboy> I'm looking at what desktop environment to try next.
[08:33] <zomghax> its not designed!
[08:34] <sushi_> I would like to transmito my internet connection from my laptop, so that my desktop computer can communicate with it, is there a GUI for this?
[08:34] <idlemind> is blackbox still in existance?
[08:34] <sushi_> Via WiFi
[08:34] <PORDO> i love how dawkins puts gould in his place.
[08:34] <hope13> took me 20 min but i got it
[08:34] <zomghax> yeah
[08:34] <holycow> adrift, i'm impressed you find him informative.  thats cool
[08:34] <zomghax> I saw the blackbox
[08:34] <thoreauputic> !offtopic
[08:34] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[08:34] <zcat[1] > ummm.. #ubuntu-offtopic perhaps, guys?
[08:34] <holycow> thoreauputic, sorry
[08:34] <zomghax> yeah
[08:34] <zomghax> see
[08:34] <zomghax> told ya
[08:34] <hope13> where's the super key on the keyboard? lol
[08:34] <thoreauputic> --------->> thataway
[08:35] <zomghax> um
[08:35] <zomghax> forgot
[08:35] <hope13> one of the beryl shortcut uses a super key
[08:35] <zcat[1] > *place
[08:35] <howieson27> good morning and merry christamas can anybody help me i have make a update and my burner is lose in k3b. have anybody the same problem?
[08:35] <zomghax> lose?
[08:35] <PORDO> i love how dawkins also says, to hell with this whole science and religion accomodating each other.  you can believe rationally or irrationally, and the two are not compatible.
[08:35] <idlemind> LOL
[08:35] <xororand> in which repo can i find Liferea (GNOME rss aggregator)?
[08:35] <holycow> PORDO, lets continue in offtopic, lets not get you banned here :)
[08:36] <zomghax> lol
[08:36] <PORDO> religions make claims beyond morality and such...they go into the empirical world, and how things came to be.  that's science's turf.  so just be ready for a headlock religion.
[08:36] <zomghax> omg dont tell me
[08:36] <zomghax> this is religious crap
[08:36] <ronaldoa> hello everyone
[08:36] <hope13> hi
[08:36] <zomghax> hi
[08:36] <zomghax> welcome
[08:36] <hope13> tell me where the super key is lol
[08:36] <zomghax> to ubuntu support forum
[08:37] <howieson27> yes k3b can find it zomghax
[08:37] <zomghax> oh
[08:37] <adrift> holycow, of course, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge" -Hosea 4:6
[08:37] <adrift> :D
[08:37] <zomghax> awesome
[08:37] <ronaldoa> how to configue  opera to support amule?
[08:37] <sushi_> How do I set up a wireless network with 2 ubuntu machines that have wifi cards?  I need to set up a SSID and WEP password.
[08:38] <hope13> ssh? lol
[08:38] <hope13> wait that is for something else >,>
[08:38] <sushi_> hope i hope that is not your solution for my problem =] 
[08:38] <zcat[1] > sushi_: system > administration > networking .. hopefully the cards will appear in there already and you just set the options you want.
[08:39] <hope13> what if it doesn't?
[08:39] <zcat[1] > sushi_: but it depends how well supported your cards are.
[08:39] <hope13> does he have to use that wrapper?
[08:39] <max_> does anyone know what KDE's equivilant to Gnomes nautilus is
[08:40] <zomghax> BANANA1
[08:40] <zomghax> !
[08:40] <hope13> i'll look up my linux for dummies for your answer one sec
[08:40] <bazfoo> max_: konquerer i think
[08:40] <hope13> oh nm
[08:40] <zigot> hello good people of ubuntu :)
[08:40] <zomghax> hi
[08:40] <zomghax> welcome
[08:41] <zigot> thanks ... my first time here
[08:41] <Flannel> max_: konqueror
[08:41] <zomghax> =D
[08:41] <zcat[1] > If the cards are not well supported, my best advice is to try and return them, and make it clear that you're returning them due to lack of linux support. And get some well supported cards as a replacement :)
[08:41] <zigot> just checking it out
[08:41] <zomghax> its quite crowded
[08:41] <zomghax> as you can see
[08:41] <elkbuntu> zigot, we have a general chat channel over at #ubuntu-offtopic :) this channel is for support
[08:41] <zigot> is it?
[08:42] <elkbuntu> we prefer to keep it that way, at least :)
[08:42] <zcat[1] > zigot: within reason...
[08:42] <adrift> ok folks, i'm out of here. have a merry Christmas, i have many more questions, but i suppose those are for another day. take care.
[08:42] <zigot> ok sorry for the noise.... I do have one tech question while I'm here
[08:42] <raxip> Hi
[08:42] <zomghax> lates
[08:42] <juanchito2006> !ATi
[08:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:42] <sushi_> Ok... right now I am receiving internet from my wireless router, but I want to transmit from my antenna another SSID for others to connect to my computer and access the internet from me
[08:43] <zigot> may I shoot my question?
[08:43] <zomghax> just do
[08:43] <zomghax> it takes time for the response tho
[08:43] <zigot> cool.... namely, I have a problem with some popular media standards
[08:43] <zcat[1] > !codecs
[08:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:44] <zomghax> use vlc
[08:44] <zigot> I understand why.... but I don't quite understand how to solve it (you are guessing most of the popular formats are not playing)
[08:44] <Flannel> zigot: you install the codecs, the first link there provides instructions on installing them
[08:45] <zcat[1] > zigot: I generally just install mplayer + w32codecs + libdvdcss2 -- anything that doesn't play after that probably doesn't play in windows either..
[08:45] <d00d> os[Linux 2.6.18-3-686 i686]  distro[Debian 4.0]  cpu[1 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz @ 2.66GHz]  mem[Physical : 1010MB, 88.9% free]  disk[Total : 18.02GB, 66.20% Free]  video[nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] ]  sound[] 
[08:46] <Naik0> how can i see what GTK+2 Engine iam using right now?
[08:46] <zigot> thanks fellas... I'll jump on it
[08:46] <colk> im trying to install the latest ubuntu on a dell e1505 and it gets part way through boot and then seems to freeze initlazing the intel 3945
[08:47] <zomghax> corrupt cd?
[08:47] <colk> says its supported but it refuses to initlaize
[08:47] <zcat[1] > colk: obvious stuff first; did you check the md5 sum and self-test the CD ?
[08:47] <Flannel> colk: did you burn at 4x?
[08:47] <zomghax> did you use a cd drive?
[08:47] <zspada15_> 0mgh4x
[08:47] <colk> using dvd drive
[08:48] <zomghax> lol
[08:48] <zomghax> thats why
[08:48] <zomghax> hello
[08:48] <zomghax> need to be cd
[08:48] <zomghax> but all wells
[08:48] <zomghax> you can try
[08:48] <colk> its dvd/cdrom
[08:48] <zomghax> only like 2/10 cd succeeded when I tried
[08:48] <zomghax> then its good!
[08:48] <zcat[1] > zomghax: seriously; what DVD drive would ever cause an install to fail?
[08:49] <Flannel> colk: check your md5, burn at 4x
[08:49] <colk> im using a dvd r
[08:49] <colk> checking integrity now
[08:49] <zomghax> um myn
[08:49] <zomghax> I did same burn
[08:49] <rcrook> ok... I have got everything I want to use on my laptop expect the Belkin USB Frame grabber.
[08:49] <zomghax> for each
[08:50] <zcat[1] > zomghax: well anyhoo... if it pases the integrity check that should be a nonissue anyhow...
[08:50] <zomghax> I checked each
[08:51] <zomghax> I used my cd burned and it burned all 10 succeesfullly
[08:51] <zomghax> burner *
[08:51] <zcat[1] > weird. Not a problem I've seen before...
[08:51] <zcat[1] > was that a CD image burned to a DVD ?
[08:51] <zomghax> cs
[08:51] <zomghax> cd
[08:52] <zomghax> im not that stupid =/
[08:52] <zcat[1] > hmmmm, ok
[08:52] <zomghax> I tried 4 systems
[08:53] <zcat[1] > Sorry.. I mean was it the regular 700M ISO made for a CD, not the bigger one for DVD's... I'm still not sure there's any significant difference in them other than size.
[08:53] <oclet> is there a way
[08:53] <oclet> to install
[08:53] <oclet> nongui
[08:53] <oclet> err
[08:53] <zomghax> o
[08:53] <oclet> to do the install without gui
[08:53] <zcat[1] > oclet: use the alternative image
[08:53] <oclet> uff
[08:53] <zomghax> yeah
[08:54] <oclet> sucks
[08:54] <colk> checksum passed
[08:54] <oclet> i'm installing onto a really old 700mhz laptop
[08:54] <zcat[1] > I don't think you can do a nongui install with the regular CD..
[08:54] <oclet> and the right side of the keyboard select screen never comes up
[08:55] <K^Holtz> ughh, my sound just stopped working all together
[08:55] <zomghax> uh
[08:55] <Naik0> How do i extract tar.gz file?
[08:55] <zomghax> muted?
[08:55] <Naik0> i tried tar -xjvf
[08:55] <oclet> hrm
[08:55] <zomghax> volume control
[08:55] <oclet> anyways wheres the alternate install cd?
[08:55] <zcat[1] > tar -xzf for tar.gz  tar -xjf for tar.bz2
[08:56] <Naik0> thanks zcat[1]  !
[08:56] <K^Holtz> no, its not muted
[08:56] <zcat[1] > or just use archive manager :)
[08:56] <Naik0> yea! but i want to learn basics :P
[08:56] <colk> hmm
[08:56] <zcat[1] > Naik0: man tar :)
[08:56] <colk> the wifi light flickers
[08:57] <sushi_> How do I change root password please
[08:57] <colk> and the boot freezes
[08:57] <zcat[1] > sushi_: you don't. It's a bad idea
[08:57] <zomghax> he wants too
[08:57] <sushi_> I think my password has been compromised
[08:57] <colk> hmm i have an idea
[08:57] <sushi_> and why is it a bad idea?  please explain
[08:57] <zcat[1] > bah! sudo passwd root   then, but don't say I didn't warn you...
[08:57] <oclet> anyone know where to get the alternate cd install?
[08:57] <oclet> or whatever
[08:58] <sushi_> zcat: what will happen if something 'goes wrong'
[08:58] <zomghax> ur doomed
[08:58] <zomghax> 4ever
[08:58] <zomghax> and ever
[08:58] <oclet> i dont want doom
[08:58] <sushi_> recovery mode will log me in as root wont it
[08:58] <oclet> ughz
[08:58] <sushi_> i want doom 2
[08:58] <zomghax> lol
[08:58] <zomghax> me want doom 4
[08:59] <zomghax> anyone tried cs source using wine?
[08:59] <zcat[1] > recovery mode will log you straight into a root shell. The rest of the time you really should use sudo, it makes accidents less likely for a start...
[08:59] <cbx33> zomghax, yes
[08:59] <zomghax> good?
[08:59] <cbx33> zomghax, works pretty well
[08:59] <cbx33> I get
[08:59] <zomghax> yay
[08:59] <cbx33> 1024x768
[08:59] <cbx33> average of 40fps
[08:59] <zomghax> halflife 2 too?
[08:59] <cbx33> but then my machine does kick a little ass
[09:00] <zomghax> o
[09:00] <cbx33> zomghax, not tried but I imagine that may work a little better
[09:00] <cbx33> zomghax, what mahien you got?
[09:00] <zomghax> mahien?
[09:00] <cbx33> machine
[09:00] <zomghax> machine?
[09:00] <zomghax> um
[09:00] <zomghax> pentium 4 3.2 ghz 1 and a half gb ram
[09:01] <cbx33> hmmm
[09:01] <cbx33> you could be ok then
[09:01] <zomghax> geforece 66000 oc
[09:01] <zomghax> 6600
[09:01] <cbx33> wine is nice enough to compile from source
[09:01] <cbx33> eh I only have a 7300 GT OC
[09:01] <jcaceres> hello, i have some trouble, because my laptop checks file system, every time it reboots, and that takes tooomuch
[09:01] <zomghax> !
[09:01] <sushi_> zcat i know all this but as far as changin root password, why is that a bad idea?   I want to do it weekly
[09:01] <cbx33> zomghax, the 6600 GT is .... I think ... more power ful than the 7300 GT OC
[09:01] <hope13> gasp x chat crashed lol
[09:01] <jcaceres> i know that that's normal every 30 boots, but in this case it happens ebery time
[09:01] <zomghax> o
[09:01] <cbx33> zomghax, here's what ya need to do
[09:02] <zomghax> didnt kow
[09:02] <zcat[1] > sushi_: it's more secure to have no root account at all...
[09:02] <cbx33> do an  apt-get build-dep wine
[09:02] <jcaceres> any idea of how can i solve that?
[09:02] <zomghax> k
[09:02] <jengc0i1> nn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38746/
[09:02] <cbx33> that'll get you all the build dependencies of wine
[09:02] <cbx33> the repo version of wine is crap
[09:02] <jengc0i1> cbx33: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38746/
[09:03] <cbx33> jengc0i1, ?
[09:03] <sushi_> zcat: ok well then i mean to say: "How do I change the sudo password"
[09:03] <cbx33> zomghax, after you have done that
[09:03] <zomghax> is says
[09:03] <cbx33> visit www.winehq.com
[09:03] <zomghax> it says
[09:03] <zomghax> unable to find
[09:03] <zcat[1] > sushi_: the sudo password is your normal login password
[09:03] <cbx33> and get the latest source
[09:03] <cbx33> zomghax, do you have universe/multiverse enabled?
[09:03] <sushi_> zcat: you mean first user login account
[09:04] <cbx33> if not goto... System->Administration->Software Sources
[09:04] <zomghax> all?
[09:04] <sushi_> zcat[1]  thanks you helped =] 
[09:04] <jengc0i1> cbx33: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38746/
[09:04] <cbx33> oh
[09:04] <_goofy_> how do i find out the release i have
[09:04] <cbx33> you're dapper?
[09:04] <sushi_> zcat[1]  now what if I accidently set a root password, what should I do to re-secure it ?
[09:05] <sushi_> i did sudo passwd root   but now that compromised it, how do I disable root again?
[09:05] <howieson27> hello ubuntu find my burner as a scsi burner how can i change this?
[09:05] <jengc0i1> cbx33: yeah 6.06
[09:05] <howieson27> hello ubuntu find my burner as a scsi burner where can i change this?
[09:05] <cbx33> jengc0i1, :(
[09:06] <cbx33> zomghax, yeh turn em all one
[09:06] <Boglizk> I'm having problems with my charset
[09:06] <cbx33> s/one/on
[09:06] <zomghax> all?!
[09:06] <cbx33> jengc0i1, I'm not sure on that one
[09:06] <cbx33> zomghax, yup
[09:06] <zomghax> theres like 100's
[09:06] <cbx33> oh?
[09:06] <jengc0i1> cbx33: who can help?
[09:06] <cbx33> you only need universe
[09:06] <zcat[1] > sushi_: sudo nano /etc/shadow   and edit the password field (it's the second thing between :'s and will be lots of letters) back to :*:
[09:06] <cbx33> and multiverse
[09:06] <max_> any one know how to just take an audio tr4ack of a flv file?
[09:07] <cbx33> jengc0i1, probably not many people today
[09:07] <max_> or save audio fomr youtube
[09:07] <cbx33> max_, I think mplayer should be able to rip that out
[09:07] <jengc0i1> holiday
[09:07] <sushi_> zcat[1]  thanks you helped again !
[09:07] <cbx33> indeed
[09:07] <jengc0i1> i forgot
[09:07] <zomghax> ohI checked them off
[09:07] <cbx33> max_, or you could try vlc
[09:07] <zcat[1] > Or perhaps root:!:  seems to be the standard... either works
[09:07] <max_> how?
[09:07] <cbx33> max_, that shoudl be able to transcode it
[09:07] <cbx33> get vlc
[09:07] <max_> they play it, but how can i just get audio off of it
[09:07] <max_> i have vlxc
[09:07] <max_> vlc*
[09:07] <cbx33> in vlc there is the option to transcode
[09:07] <jengc0i1> !rep
[09:07] <cbx33> do wizard I think
[09:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rep - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:08] <cbx33> !repo
[09:08] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[09:08] <zcat[1] > max_: mplayer --dumpaudio --dumpfile=soundtrack.wav mediaclip.avi
[09:08] <cbx33> jengc0i1, have a google for restting the cache
[09:08] <sushi_> zcat[1]  if i remember old unix, one means 'no password' and one means 'disabled user'    ! or *   shrug  =\
[09:08] <jcaceres> hello, i have some trouble, because my laptop checks file system, every time it reboots, and that takes tooomuch
[09:08] <jcaceres> any idea of how can i solve that?
[09:08] <cbx33> right I'm off
[09:08] <howieson27> can nobody help me :(
[09:08] <cbx33> merry christmas all
[09:08] <zomghax> you too
[09:08] <zomghax> thanks a ton
[09:08] <zcat[1] > ..something like that anyhow
[09:08] <cbx33> zomghax, once you get the source from winehq,
[09:08] <cbx33> read the read me
[09:08] <zomghax> k
[09:08] <cbx33> you have to untar, configure and the make dep and then make
[09:09] <cbx33> bye all
[09:09] <max_> zcat[1] : does that get rid of the video so im left with just audio?
[09:09] <nn> this is really cool :)
[09:09] <sushi_> zcat[1]  i didnt backup my shadow file .... was it * or ! ?
[09:09] <colk> ok that sucks
[09:09] <zcat[1] > max_: it'll make a new wav file with just the audio in it...
[09:10] <colk> ubuntu will boot wiithout wireless
[09:10] <colk> but not with
[09:10] <max_> thanks
[09:10] <CaptainMorgan> k- I don't get this... in Windows, firefox displays a particular site fine, IE6 & IE7 both display it the same as firefox... everything looks great, BUT, when I log into a linux machine, running the 'same' version of firefox(because I simply copied over the folder) the same page/site is displayed incorrectly. This has got to be X-server/Linux, is it not?
[09:10] <zcat[1] > sushi_: unknown.. :!: should be fine.
[09:10] <please> I'm bored.
[09:11] <zomghax> me too
[09:11] <zomghax> its christmas soon
[09:11] <please> yep
[09:12] <jengc0i1> who celebrate chrismas?
[09:12] <zomghax> me
[09:12] <jengc0i1> merry zomghax
[09:12] <Boglizk> Anyone know why i'm not able to use ISO-8859-15? It works and everything according to others, myself i only see wierd symbols
[09:12] <zomghax> you too
[09:12] <zcat[1] > !exec -o date
[09:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about exec -o date - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:12] <zcat[1] > Mon Dec 25 21:12:44 NZDT 2006
[09:12] <zcat[1] > christmas here a while ago already :)
[09:13] <zomghax> =D
[09:13] <zomghax> how you do that
[09:13] <zomghax> ?
[09:13] <zomghax> santa
[09:13] <santa-claus> zcat[1] : which area?
[09:13] <zcat[1] > NZdt
[09:13] <santa-claus> do wht zomghax
[09:13] <please> 9317982
[09:13] <zomghax> wht
[09:13] <zomghax> ?
[09:14] <santa-claus> what
[09:14] <santa-claus> lol
[09:14] <zomghax> lol
[09:14] <zomghax> talk like that
[09:14] <zcat[1] > Hamilton, NZ
[09:14] <zomghax> give present
[09:14] <santa-claus> oic
[09:14] <zcat[1] >  /me does things
[09:14] <zomghax> kewl
[09:14] <Manse> what is the keymap code of America?
[09:14] <santa-claus> zomghax: put infront ur house
[09:15] <magic_ninja> whats up all
[09:15] <strabes> Manse: it's "us" isn't it?
[09:15] <magic_ninja> i'm having problems with my ubuntu boot not being able to load my root filesystem
[09:15] <magic_ninja> merry xmas all
[09:15] <strabes> Manse: or "en"
[09:16] <zomghax> yo9u too
[09:16] <VerdRousseau> is it possible to change your from gnome to kde without having to use kubuntu
[09:16] <Manse> KEYMAP="us"?
[09:16] <magic_ninja> VerdRousseau: yea the only real difference is the desktop its packaged with
[09:16] <max_> the_grinch:
[09:16] <max_> Error parsing option on the command line: --dumpaudio
[09:16] <max_> m
[09:16] <Manse> strabes:KEYMAP="us"?
[09:17] <strabes> VerdRousseau: yes - http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde
[09:17] <strabes> Manse: no idea
[09:17] <VerdRousseau> so all the programs are the exact same
[09:17] <the_grinch> max_: mplayer --help or man mplayer .. my memory's not 100% but the options are documented...
[09:17] <strabes> VerdRousseau: no; KDE apps look a lot different. you can use gnome apps in kde and kde apps in gnome but they look bad
[09:18] <ootput> is there a quick way to migrate all data (and achieve a working system) from / into several logical volumes (lvm2) in a raid array?
[09:18] <ootput> also, for those of you who celebrate it: Merry Christmas ;)
[09:18] <VerdRousseau> so if I wanted the KDE apps is it best to uninstall ubuntu and get kubuntu
[09:19] <the_grinch> anyone here still waiting for the big man? only a few timeszones left...
[09:20] <strabes> VerdRousseau: you can have both kde and gnome installed on your computer at the same time. you just log into separate sessions
[09:20] <noodles12> merry xmas everyone
[09:20] <strabes> if you want to remove gnome, see the tutorial on that website entitled pure KDE i believe
[09:20] <zomghax> merry christmas
[09:20] <Flannel> VerdRousseau: just install the other (if you have ubuntu, install 'kubuntu-desktop', and vv)
[09:20] <zomghax> I love you all
[09:21] <zomghax> happy holidays
[09:21] <VerdRousseau> Okay, but with the different apps that come with KDE how would those workout (and what are the main difference in apps)
[09:21] <n1gke> happy holidays zomg
[09:22] <zomghax> you too
[09:22] <Flannel> VerdRousseau: both desktop packages bring with them their own apps
[09:22] <d00d> you 3
[09:22] <n1gke> u 4
[09:22] <magic_ninja> ji'm having probs getting my boot to mount my root file system, i can give more info if anyone's around
[09:23] <VerdRousseau> and what about like when I installed this ipod song program on my Gnome, would that transfer to KDE
[09:24] <Flannel> VerdRousseau: gnome and KDE sit ontop of the filesystem, you'd put it in your home folder, and it'd be avialable to you regardless of what widnow manager you used
[09:25] <VerdRousseau> which desktop do you guys like best
[09:26] <Flannel> VerdRousseau: different people like different WMs for a variety of reasons.  Most likely none of which will be exactly what you think is important.  the best method is just to try them and see which you prefer.
[09:27] <nn> anyone ever play with doing VPN over strange connections?
[09:27] <Naik0> what do i get if i install a GTK+2 Engine?
[09:28] <VerdRousseau> also I have my wireless card setup but how do I see the idicator of my card on the desktop
[09:28] <VerdRousseau> what program would I have to download
[09:28] <magic_ninja> Naik0: its only like 26 megs install it you NEED it
[09:28] <magic_ninja> Naik0: its a runtime lib similar to jde
[09:28] <Naik0> magic_ninja, but if i want a nice theme i can install their GTK+2 Engine
[09:28] <Naik0> right?
[09:29] <Naik0> i think ive installed one but im not sure, how can i check what engine i have?
[09:30] <max_>  does anyone know how to take audio off a .flv file? or just save audio from youtube
[09:33] <Naik0> magic_ninja, how do i see what engine thats installed?
[09:35] <max_>  does anyone know how to take audio off a .flv file? or just save audio from youtube
[09:36] <magic_ninja> darn, so no one knows about not mounting root filesystem
[09:36] <SurfnKid> mount
[09:36] <SurfnKid> !mount
[09:36] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[09:38] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: no the problem is that linux can't mount my / file system therefore can no longer go on
[09:39] <SurfnKid> what kind is it
[09:39] <magic_ninja> and i can't mount my hda1
[09:40] <hope13> lol erm i'm copying files from my dvd rom to a folder and it's freezing up my linux. Is there a alt+ctrl+del command for linux? >,<
[09:40] <rcrook> ok.... does anyone know much about arson?
[09:40] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: i am in LIVECD now but i can't mount my /dev/hda1 which is my root filesystem
[09:41] <SurfnKid> oh
[09:41] <SurfnKid> could ya try to while on grub?
[09:42] <konrads> Hello. When updating from a local mirror, i get packages not authenticated. I suspect i'm missing a key.  How do I check which key i'm missing so i could get it from subkeys.pgp.net?
[09:42] <SurfnKid> send a boot comm to /dev/hda1 and crank him up
[09:42] <Pie-rate> how would i change specific icons? for example i hate the emblems in Tango but like a lot of the icons in Human
[09:42] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: i think there is a prob with that partition
[09:42] <SurfnKid> oh
[09:43] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: i should be able to edit /boot/grub.lst and fix the prob if i can just get the part mounted
[09:43] <magic_ninja> how do i check the disk for errors?
[09:43] <SurfnKid> fsck
[09:43] <SurfnKid> but ya have to unmount it
[09:43] <SurfnKid> or itll do really nasty stuff i hear
[09:43] <magic_ninja> i can't mount it lol
[09:43] <SurfnKid> right lol
[09:44] <SurfnKid> but still, i suggest keep asking, sure someone here will give ya a hint
[09:44] <SurfnKid> i dunno too much about boot commands
[09:44] <SurfnKid> and ive screwed up a partition once myself
[09:44] <SurfnKid> try to get an email from the forums so you an get a specific answer to what yer trying to do from an expert
[09:46] <kid> hi, i have a newbie question... I just bought a new lcd monitor for my laptop. I plugged it in and it worked, but on th elaptops lcd resolution. to change the resolution for my new LCD monitor, all i need is to add the resolution on my xorg.conf... right?
[09:46] <Pie-rate> whoo mixing the window border and icons from Silicon with the controls from Grey makes an AWESOME theme
[09:46] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: well in all reality right now i want to is check my /dev/hda1 filesystem for starters
[09:46] <SurfnKid> ah
[09:46] <SurfnKid> maybe the livecd has a check tool since its not mounted
[09:47] <magic_ninja> im on live
[09:47] <max_> qtparted
[09:48] <SurfnKid> max_, yep thats good
[09:48] <magic_ninja> max_: willl qtparted check disks though?
[09:49] <max_> i think
[09:50] <magic_ninja> i really hope i don't have to reinstall OS
[09:50] <magic_ninja> does ubuntu have an installation repair
[09:51] <max_> i dont think so
[09:52] <magic_ninja> well im thinking that my hda1 may not have been the active partition, which would explain because i booted into windows from a different hdd
[09:52] <magic_ninja> so i can do that and try a reboot
[09:52] <SurfnKid> just try diffferent commands to boot to the specified boot folder
[09:53] <SurfnKid> and update the boot partition
[09:53] <Naik0> how do i restart X?
[09:53] <SurfnKid> CTRL ALT BACKSPACE
[09:53] <Naik0> thanks
[09:54] <karakara> is there a bash command to make yer pc speaker beep?
[09:54] <rcrook> is there a program for ubuntu that gives you the same funcrions as cloneCD?
[09:55] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: i set hda1 as active, lets try it now
[09:56] <SurfnKid> ah good
[09:56] <SurfnKid> try
[09:56] <magic_ninja>  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
[09:56] <magic_ninja> thats what i get when i try to mount hda1
[09:56] <SurfnKid> :/
[09:57] <SurfnKid> magic_ninja, can you mount that drive on another linux box?
[09:57] <SurfnKid> and try to get a copy of the boot command?
[09:57] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: no idea
[09:58] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: why wouldn't i be able to mount it though...thats the question, which is why i wanna check the disk for errors
[09:59] <SurfnKid> yeah if its an ext3 it should mount
[09:59] <SurfnKid> look up mount commands or in the forum
[10:04] <karakara> is there a bash command to make yer pc speaker beep?
[10:04] <magic_ninja> iono
[10:05] <the_grinch> karakara: echo -e "\007"
[10:06] <karakara> ty
[10:09] <magic_ninja> Superblock has an invalid ext3 journal (inode 8).
[10:09] <magic_ninja> that would be the primary problem would it not?
[10:10] <ashton> Mer?
[10:10] <ashton> It's Ashton_K, my nick is already used....
[10:11] <ashton> By me, downstairs....
[10:11] <ashton> Dangit, hold on.
[10:13] <luisc> hola feliz navidad
[10:13] <Ashton_K> Too bad racarr isn't here.
[10:13] <Ashton_K> I'm installing Beryl.
[10:13] <luisc> alguien que me pueda recomendar una buena targeta de video?
[10:13] <foglight> what is Beryl?
[10:14] <foglight> another livecd?
[10:14] <Ashton_K> Different window manager.
[10:14] <foglight> you like?
[10:14] <magic_ninja> uh-oh i think i just broke my system
[10:14] <foglight> it good?
[10:14] <magic_ninja> lol
[10:14] <Ashton_K> Well, I'll tell you when I'm done.
[10:15] <Ashton_K> :P
[10:15] <foglight> you buy?
[10:15] <Ashton_K> GPL.
[10:15] <Ashton_K> (Free)
[10:17] <hjmills> merry christmas
[10:17] <maimster> Merry Christmas!
[10:22] <hagabaka> what's the meaning of numbers prefixing file names in /etc/X11/Xsession.d, such as 20x11-common_process-args, 80ubuntu-xmodmap?
[10:22] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: well guess what good news i can mount /dev/hda1
[10:23] <PORDO> i can't find the vorbis support for gstreamer
[10:23] <GreyGhost> MERRY X"MAS EVERYONE !!!!!+
[10:23] <hope13> same to you
[10:23] <hope13> what's a good program to open rar?
[10:23] <SurfnKid> magic_ninja, you the man
[10:25] <GreyGhost> hope13 , winrar ?
[10:25] <hope13> winrar works for linux?
[10:25] <hope13> lol
[10:25] <hope13> thx
[10:25] <zylche> 7zip through wine!
[10:25] <zylche> I highly recommend.
[10:25] <GreyGhost> hope13 , ahhh u wanted linux... then the Ubutnu archive manager?
[10:26] <zylche> doesn't work for rar, try 7zip ;)
[10:26] <hope13> so i need wine?
[10:26] <hope13> guess i'll try playing with wine
[10:26] <GreyGhost> u can use p7zip for linux ....
[10:26] <magic_ninja> SurfnKid: now i just gotta see if i can boot again
[10:27] <magic_ninja> hope13: btw you have to install unrar for linux
[10:27] <magic_ninja> hope13: its a free download
[10:27] <GreyGhost> !rar
[10:27] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[10:27] <GreyGhost> !unrar-free
[10:27] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB
[10:27] <hope13> lol thx
[10:27] <GreyGhost> hope13 ,get that then
[10:29] <tuxplorer> I installed kde4 from ubuntu repos. But I didn't get an entry in either KDM or GDM.. I want to add an entry to it.. There is not /etc/gdm/Sessions/ directory in ubuntu.. Where do I add the entry then?
[10:30] <tuxplorer> I use ubuntu edgy
[10:31] <GreyGhost> tuxplorer ,didn't appear under session when u login?
[10:31] <tuxplorer> yes. it doesn't appear :(
[10:31] <missing> Hi im trying to patch 2.6.19 with the low latency pre-emp patch-2.6.20-rc1-rt6 but i get Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]   can anyone help me out?
[10:31] <missing> or point me in the right channel?
[10:33] <GreyGhost> tuxplorer , i would try to help u out... but i havent installed extra shells for nix .... so i dont have any experience .... wait till more ppl pop in ...
[10:33] <tuxplorer> GreyGhost: Thanks. :)  Will wait.
[10:34] <missing> tuxplorer: what are u trying to do with shells?
[10:35] <zomghax> yellow
[10:35] <zomghax> hi
[10:35] <bonzai10> hey, i installed xchat-gnom and i can't get user list to be displayed, i have no "view" menu section to do so.... how am i supposed to get my user list displayed ?
[10:35] <zomghax> IIII llllooovvvvveee BANANA!
[10:35] <GreyGhost> missing , i dont know if they're called shells ( i thought they are....) he is tryin to install KDE ...
[10:35] <tuxplorer> missing: shells? I don't do anything.. I just wanted to add my KDE entry to GDm
[10:36] <missing> bonzai: the user list is actually hidden where it says 790 users, click there and the list will pop up
[10:36] <macd> bonzai10, I trashed the xchat-gnome in favor of xchat2 + xchat dydtray plugin.
[10:36] <tuxplorer> GreyGhost: I've installed KDE already..
[10:36] <tuxplorer> just the entry is missing
[10:36] <bonzai10> oh thanx macd
[10:36] <missing> ohh okay so gdm wont let u change session?
[10:36] <GreyGhost> tuxplorer ,yeah i know.... but i suppose without the entry the install isnt practically complete ;)
[10:36] <tuxplorer> missing: yes
[10:36] <tuxplorer> GreyGhost: lol
[10:37] <tuxplorer> ya. kinda
[10:37] <missing> tuxxplorer: luckily ive gone throug this in BSD let me see if i can remember where it is in the BSD handbook
[10:37] <missing> Hi im trying to patch kernel 2.6.19 with the low latency pre-emp patch-2.6.20-rc1-rt6 but i get Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]   can anyone help me out?
[10:37] <brady> how much space (approx) will apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop use?
[10:37] <magic_ninja> ok in my grub config i got this - (hd0,0) for root
[10:38] <magic_ninja> what is the proper context to make it hda1
[10:38] <tuxplorer> missing: from what I see from most forums, we need to add a script containing a exec start_kdeinit to /etc/gdm/Sessions/ dir.. but that dir is not there :(
[10:39] <bonzai10> is it possible to install drivers for radeon mobility m6 series, i know ati doesn't support them anymore and i tried using automatix but if anyone has a clue or knows a link to a guide...
[10:39] <missing> well in bsd from what i remember u run a command and thats it, sincer theres no need to reinstall bsd so i cant remember too well ive only done it once
[10:40] <willskills> Merry Christmas folks :)
[10:40] <zylche> *Mithramas
[10:40] <tuxplorer> missing: oh ok. If you get to remember the command tell me. so that I can search for the equivalent of it
[10:40] <magic_ninja> how can i update my root dir in grub from (hd0,0) to hda (i don't know the context to use)
[10:40] <magic_ninja> if someone could paste me their root line in grub i would be forever greatful
[10:41] <magic_ninja> should it be (hda,1) or what?
[10:41] <missing> well its all gdm and X and KDE
[10:41] <missing> +
[10:42] <bonzai10> root		(hd0,0) if its primary and first part
[10:42] <magic_ninja> so /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash
[10:43] <bonzai10> not ro
[10:43] <bonzai10> ro is for read only i suppose
[10:43] <hope13> um is this the code to install unrar-free (on edgy): "sudo apt-get install unrar-free" ?
[10:43] <bonzai10> no im wrong
[10:44] <GreyGhost> hope13 ,should be...
[10:44] <bonzai10> hope13 use automatix2
[10:44] <hope13> oh
[10:45] <GreyGhost> !rar
[10:45] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[10:45] <missing> tuxplorer: hey try this link see if it solves your problems
[10:45] <missing> tuxplorer: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html
[10:45] <tuxplorer> Thanks missing.. will see that
[10:45] <GreyGhost> hope13 ,if that doesn't work ...try just unrar ....
[10:46] <missing> Hi im trying to patch kernel 2.6.19 with the low latency pre-emp patch-2.6.20-rc1-rt6 but i get Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]   can anyone help me out?
[10:46] <bonzai10> automatix2 installs all popular windows archivers.... it'd do all things fast
[10:46] <magic_ninja> bonzai10: hey i need to make my root not mount ro right?
[10:46] <FirstStrike> automatix..
[10:47] <ademan> is there anything similar to fruity loops for linux
[10:47] <ademan> ?
[10:47] <bonzai10> no magic, i mislead myself... my kernel line looks like that /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash locale=pl_PL
[10:48] <missing> tuxplorer: i fouhnd a ubuntu especific link with will sonlve your problem for sure http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2920
[10:48] <magic_ninja> bonzai10: so leave that line alone?
[10:49] <tuxplorer> missing: Ah! Thanks a lot.. I didn't find this forum post when I searched the same forum :)
[10:49] <bonzai10> what error do you have ? and what do you want to do, i joined in the middle and im out of mind
[10:50] <missing> no problem
[10:50] <hexdream> ck getting a Canon Pixma ip5200 printer running correctly (or mostly) under Edgy Eft?
[10:50] <missing> well im off to some other channel to see if i can get help myself
[10:50] <tuxplorer> missing: This solution must work precisely.. will try it now.. logging off..
[10:50] <noodles12> ok this is really dumb but.... my taskbar at the top of my page randomly got moved to teh side. and it is full so i cannot right click on the actual panel and select it to be at the top again. is there another way to do it? =*(
[10:50] <tuxplorer> missing: what is your problem?
[10:50] <missing> ciao
[10:50] <magic_ninja> alright wish me luck guys
[10:50] <missing> Hi im trying to patch kernel 2.6.19 with the low latency pre-emp patch-2.6.20-rc1-rt6 but i get Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]   can anyone help me out?
[10:50] <magic_ninja> i'm gonna try this again
[10:51] <missing> any ideas?
[10:51] <tuxplorer> missing: Ah! sorry.. I don't know about kernel compilation.. sorry.. may be try at #linux or #linux-india as well :)
[10:52] <noodles12> can anyone help on my simple dumb problem? >.<
[10:52] <arcade> Hmpfh, too long since I've tried to use microphones&linux .. what's the /dev/-name that refers to the mic? :)
[10:52] <missing> will try
[10:52] <missing> thanks
[10:52] <hope13> this is going to be retarded but i wiki it, googled it, and linuxquestion it and... how do you install stuff on linux? like... unrar? T_T
[10:52] <arcade> dsp .. maybe :P
[10:53] <lafielle> hope13: using a package manager
[10:53] <lafielle> usually
[10:53] <hope13> is it that install/uninstall stuff?
[10:53] <fdoving> !software | hope13
[10:53] <ubotu> hope13: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents and !Offline
[10:53] <hope13> oh thx
[10:53] <noodles12> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=323878&highlight=.rar
[10:53] <hope13> ooo thx
[10:53] <hope13> lol
[10:54] <hope13> i need to unrar this book on teaching me how to use ubuntu LOL
[10:55] <lafielle> Anybody aware of a program that will allow me to monitor network traffic and check which connections are coming in, being blocked etc.?
[10:55] <magic_ninja> well guess what guys
[10:55] <magic_ninja> i got my computer to boot
[10:55] <magic_ninja> ipkungfu
[10:55] <Aat56> hope this is the right place to ask right besides the forums but: i'm having some "major" weirdness going on with ubuntu.. some programs go randomly to uninterruptible state when they try to access 2nd disk (i have two, both are sata)
[10:55] <magic_ninja> !ipkungfu
[10:55] <ubotu> ipkungfu: iptables-based Linux firewall. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.2-7 (edgy), package size 33 kB, installed size 212 kB
[10:55] <lafielle> magic_ninja: thanks, will have a look!
[10:55] <lafielle> magic_ninja: is it GUI based?
[10:56] <magic_ninja> ok now i've been working all day just to play et
[10:56] <magic_ninja> lafielle: no but they may (and probably are many) rich frontends for the command line
[10:56] <Aat56> when i tried to find some solution from the web, somebody asked the person in need for help to press ctrl+scroll lock and paste the output from (dmesg?) and here it goes: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38750/
[10:57] <Aat56> those are the processes as far as i know, who are in that state and before those, dmesg showed these error messages and now repeats them with increasing sector count: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38749/
[11:01] <ademan> so yeah, is there any music editor/mixer or whatever similar to fruity loops available on linux?
[11:04] <Ypsy_> Hello world!
[11:04] <hope13> foo bar!
[11:05] <Ypsy_> ^^
[11:05] <hope13> um does edgy have a multi universe repositories?
[11:05] <hope13> or can i use drapper? hehe
[11:05] <un_operateur> !repositories
[11:05] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[11:06] <FirstStrike> !multiverse | hope13
[11:06] <ubotu> hope13: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[11:06] <FirstStrike> Hmm
[11:06] <FirstStrike> I thought it was different
[11:06] <hope13> i read that lol
[11:06] <hope13> since i'm using edgy
[11:06] <Ypsy_> I have a little problem here. Perhaps someone here can help me^^ Im using Feisty herd1 Live/install CD atm and when I klick next after choosing the keyboard layout the screen freezes.
[11:07] <hope13> can i use multiverse of like dapper?
[11:07] <hope13> there is one for breezy too
[11:07] <FirstStrike> no, you can't use dapper's multiverse
[11:07] <hope13> so i'm edgy
[11:07] <FirstStrike> i don't know if edgy has one yet
[11:07] <hope13> and edgy doesn't have one?
[11:07] <ariccs> Merry Christmas everybody
[11:07] <un_operateur> hope13, you can -- but it goes against the point of using edgy :)
[11:07] <FirstStrike> felice navidad
[11:07] <hope13> oh
[11:08] <un_operateur> hope13, just use the edgy repo's -- if you want i can give them all to you?
[11:08] <Aat56> and to add: tried to write a dvd with gnomebuster but the drive stuck to spinning the damn disc for as long as i rebooted, didn't make any progress with the burning in an hour (and processes cdrecord.mmap, two of them, were "uninterruptible")
[11:08] <hope13> um i'm a newbie and i just want to install unrar free? LOL
[11:08] <FirstStrike> just compile it
[11:08] <un_operateur> hope13,  at your terminal -- type in -- sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:09] <hope13> i did that
[11:09] <un_operateur> hope13, and then replace the contents with this -- http://pastebin.ca/291534
[11:09] <FirstStrike> i don't see why everybody's afraid of compiling :>
[11:09] <hope13> so you're telling me to erase the whole contents with that one url?
[11:10] <un_operateur> hope13, no -- open that url with your browser -- you'll see new contents :p
[11:10] <hope13> how come i feel like i'm going to mess up the linux if i do this
[11:10] <hope13> oh
[11:10] <FirstStrike> haha
[11:11] <hope13> oh sweet there is a multiuniverse for edgy
[11:11] <hope13> thx again
[11:11] <un_operateur> hope13, copy and paste them into your sources.list -- save the file and run this command -- sudo aptitude update
[11:11] <naelphin> Is DRI needed for 2d accleration?
[11:11] <naelphin> or is it only for 3d
[11:12] <un_operateur> hope13, once thats is done -- you should be able to -- sudo aptitude install rar unrar  :)
[11:13] <hope13> really?! thx lol
[11:13] <bayle> merry christmas :)
[11:13] <un_operateur> hope13, yea really, yw lol :p
[11:13] <hope13> i spent 2 hrs wiki and google'n lol
[11:13] <un_operateur> Bon Noel a tous
[11:14] <bayle> from france?
[11:14] <emun> hi everybody , need some help , has anyone installed successfully mythtv on ubuntu , and merry christmas
[11:14] <bayle> anyway, merry christmas and buon natale
[11:14] <un_operateur> bayle, no, i'm not from france, just think i am :)
[11:15] <un_operateur> !mythtv | emun, have you checked this out -->>
[11:15] <ubotu> emun, have you checked this out -->: MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[11:15] <POVaddct> frohe weihnachten
[11:15] <POVaddct> just to extend the list of languages
[11:16] <foosh> Muslims do not like Ubuntu
[11:16] <moosa> hello i am a semi-newbie ubuntu user and i need to know how to open .tar files (i have no idea how to open them just coming from windows xp)
[11:16] <un_operateur> "have an ubuntu christmas!!" :)
[11:16] <hope13> doesn't archive whatever do it for you?
[11:16] <POVaddct> moosa: tar xf file.tar  or  tar xzf file.tar.gz  or  tar xjf file.tar.bz2
[11:16] <un_operateur> moosa, you ought to be able to double click on them
[11:17] <moosa> hmmm
[11:17] <un_operateur> i think with gnu tar -- tar xf suffices for all
[11:18] <moosa> if i double click i view whats in the file
[11:18] <moosa> right?
[11:18] <hope13> try it >,>
[11:18] <moosa> it does
[11:18] <un_operateur> moosa, I think it opens up in a file extraction utility like winzip on window -- you can select a file and extract it to a location of your choice
[11:18] <emun> I will check that out however is anybody with some experiience with mythtv out there.  and foosh do they understand ubuntu
[11:19] <hope13> sweet drag and drop lol
[11:20] <Neko_Asak> Hello.  I'm new at this whole Linux thing and need a little help getting Ubuntu's installer running.  I've spent hours looking over the wiki and docs and can't find any answers.  Hopefully you guys (and gals) can help?
[11:20] <moosa> well i am installing a application i really dont want to see whats IN it
[11:20] <un_operateur> moosa, what application is it?
[11:20] <un_operateur> Neko_Asak, what seems to be failing?
[11:20] <Neko_Asak> My DVD drive is listed a "non-standard drive."
[11:20] <moosa> a tux game
[11:20] <POVaddct> moosa: why do you install from a tar archive and not installing a ubuntu package?
[11:21] <hope13> LOL a tux game
[11:21] <hope13> is it fun?
[11:21] <moosa> yeah :D
[11:21] <hope13> omg what's the name of it?
[11:21] <foosh> I we had the stinkiest hairpit compitition, who would win?  Muslims orhomeless people?
[11:21] <moosa> when i install it ill know
[11:21] <hope13> oh
[11:21] <Neko_Asak> I'm unable to find the correct drivers for it.
[11:21] <moosa> well ubuntu package dosnt have it
[11:22] <un_operateur> foosh, please keep the channel family friendly.. it's christmas after all
[11:22] <moosa> nor does it have SDL dev package :(
[11:22] <hope13> omg you're so sexy un_operateur. I got rar to work
[11:22] <foosh> ok
[11:22] <un_operateur> hope13, :)
[11:22] <foosh> sorry
[11:22] <emun> foosh , what is this preoccupation with muslims, it is christmas anyway
[11:22] <alexis_> Why are all games, also 2D games like Xmoto crashing on my computer? I know my graphics card doesn't support 3D very well, but still when running windows I can play some games. I think it has something to do with my sound card...
[11:22] <foosh> Dont know
[11:23] <foosh> Everone was talking muslim
[11:23] <moosa> i am a muslim
[11:23] <foosh> Really?
[11:23] <moosa> yeah
[11:23] <foosh> You cool?
[11:24] <moosa> cool with what?
[11:24] <foosh> having fun! cha cha cha
[11:24] <foosh> Lets dance
[11:24] <Neko_Asak> I've tried a USB bootable drive, but it always seems to fail when I get to the part where I need to detect the CD drive.  I'm running 6.10 DVD and 6.10 Desktop
[11:24] <emun> well there you go,
[11:24] <POVaddct> moosa: of course ubuntu has sdl dev package. you probably haven't enabled all repositories.
[11:24] <moosa> i did
[11:25] <Neko_Asak> This isn't unique to Ubuntu either.  GPartEd has the same error.  >.<  Help?
[11:25] <foosh> I have a few lebonese friends
[11:25] <foosh> They make good food
[11:25] <un_operateur> Neko_Asak, does ubuntu not boot up when you use the CD-Rom??
[11:25] <POVaddct> moosa: sure you enabled universe and multiverse?
[11:26] <moosa> yep
[11:26] <POVaddct> moosa: and did apt-get update after that?
[11:26] <foosh> Why are we talking repositories in the muslim channel?
[11:27] <Neko_Asak> Nope.  It'll load for about 30-40 seconds, the bar is on screen; but then it just hangs.  The CD and DVD both work fine, I was running the LiveCD versions on may laptop earlier today testing the discs and making the USB bootable.
[11:27] <moosa> i didnt install it on MY compilers (how do you compile apps in linux i dont see a run button >.<)
[11:27] <Neko_Asak> My desktop is a homebuilt, in case that matters.
[11:28] <foosh> Santa brought me three packs of non-skidmarked underpants!yayaa!
[11:28] <emun> excuse me i  did not know this was the muslim channel and foosh watch the bootle
[11:29] <foosh> watch the what?
[11:29] <POVaddct> moosa: for compiling you need at least the build-essential package
[11:29] <emun> the bottle, correction
[11:29] <foosh> Alcohol?
[11:29] <un_operateur> moosa, and libsdl/libsdl-dev if you are compiling something to do with sdl
[11:30] <emun> whatever is in that bottle
[11:30] <moosa> game dev on windows was a little simpler and more options
[11:30] <foosh> I dont drink
[11:30] <moosa> but i wasnt going to use directX anyway
[11:30] <foosh> Its bad for you
[11:31] <foosh> Its bad for you | less
[11:31] <hope13> i think i found a glitch or maybe it's beryl
[11:31] <Neko_Asak> I have a Sony DVD Dual format drive, if that helps narrow it down.
[11:31] <moosa> my windows XP system was badly damaged tho and i allways wanted to try ubuntu
[11:31] <foosh> Its bad for you | more
[11:31] <hope13> Sony = bad
[11:31] <knj> Is it possible to start a program like X-chat minimized? Or minimize it by knowing its pid?
[11:31] <hope13> lol
[11:32] <emun> good for you just wondered for a moment, are you muslim , foosh
[11:32] <Slart> Hello, why does my gnome menues and such stop working while I'm moving files between my hard drives?
[11:32] <foosh> I am a Scientologist
[11:32] <hope13> LOL
[11:32] <Neko_Asak> Sony Company = bad or Sony DVD = bad?
[11:32] <hope13> i think they're really proprietary
[11:32] <wkerzend> asus p5b with raid 5 on ich8r. dmraid doesnt recognize that, should I install new kernel (2.6.19) or should I change the Bios settings
[11:32] <emun> wow,
[11:33] <wkerzend> btw i run edgy
[11:33] <moosa> isnt there any thing like remote help on ubuntu that whould help me alot
[11:33] <hope13> me too!
[11:33] <hope13> lol
[11:33] <Lynoure> Lots of offtopic things here today...
[11:33] <Neko_Asak> No kidding, makes getting help rather frustrating.
[11:33] <foosh> edgy is too unstable. It does wierd stuff
[11:33] <hope13> um anyway i set alt+ctrl+x to launch terminal
[11:33] <Lynoure> moosa: there is VNC, but you'd want to be careful of who "helps" you
[11:33] <hope13> it doesn't work ne more
[11:33] <emun> you right about that
[11:34] <hope13> is it beryl?
[11:34] <hope13> evil beryl >,>
[11:34] <mc__> hello,im on amd64(Athlon X2) my system freezes about every 5 second for one sec
[11:34] <wkerzend> is there a ubuntu dmraid channel or raid channel specifically for raid problems? thanks
[11:34] <emun> anyway need some one with some experience with mythtv on ubuntu
[11:34] <moosa> i have much proplems today i really need to install some applications
[11:35] <wkerzend> emun: I had mythtv running on my system, whats the question?
[11:35] <moosa> dev librarys etc
[11:35] <POVaddct> Lynoure: i'd rather use ssh and a shared screen session than vnc.
[11:36] <Neko_Asak> does any one else here have a Sony DVD-RW drive?  Perhaps it's just something I missed?
[11:36] <hope13> neko: it doesn't work for this guy:http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=507752
[11:36] <Lynoure> POVaddct: I think anyone asking for a remote help function would need help doing that...
[11:37] <emun> wkerend :great how did you go about downloading it and installing it, frontend  and bankend etc, so confusing.
[11:37] <POVaddct> Lynoure: i already helped people that way
[11:37] <Lynoure> POVaddct: Good for you, and them.
[11:37] <hope13> gasp make an faq for mythtv wkerend lol
[11:37] <moosa> well if i get at least a tip about a compiler thats easy to use that whould be helpfull
[11:37] <mc__> moosa: gcc
[11:38] <Lynoure> POVaddct: keep on doing it. :) I actually even refuse to help people over Vnc if they should not have a reason to trust me. :)
[11:38] <mc__> hello,im on amd64(Athlon X2) my system freezes about every 5 second for one sec,does anyone have  idea how to solve this problem?
[11:38] <christopher_l> does any know how to remove Ruby 1.8.5, if you built it from source?
[11:39] <Neko_Asak> Stupid question, but are you using the version for Athlon 64-bit chips?  I noticed there was a special install for those.
[11:39] <POVaddct> Lynoure: i would simply not use vnc because it takes way too much bandwidth.
[11:39] <Lynoure> POVaddct: I agree, if there is just a narrow band.
[11:40] <Lynoure> POVaddct: but in the case of the typical user not knowing where to click, graphical is a big plus
[11:40] <Neko_Asak> mc___ I didn't mean that yours was a stupid question.  ^_^  I meant "I have a stupid question for you...."
[11:40] <hope13> um i'm using beryl and one of the short cut uses the next key and the super key is there such a key?
[11:40] <POVaddct> Lynoure: dsl in germany has typically 1mbit downstream and 128kbit upstream. i called that narrow band.
[11:41] <Lynoure> POVaddct: Much much faster in Finland :)
[11:41] <Lynoure> POVaddct: Did you notice I mostly agreed with you? :)
[11:41] <emun> hello wkerzend, are you still there, maybe you can give me a short list of what to do and what not todo with this mythtv stuff
[11:41] <POVaddct> Lynoure: :)
[11:41] <moosa> when i thot about using linux for game dev i did think of limitations but not as much as this
[11:42] <moosa> if only my dev-c++ compiler was here
[11:42] <Neko_Asak> mc____  http://ubuntu.cs.utah.edu/releases/edgy/  Check out the 64-bit PC install.  that may help.  Assuming you didn't already, that is.
[11:43] <hope13> use g++
[11:43] <hope13> note to self alt+ctrl+backspace is what i think it is
[11:44] <emun> mythtv help anybody
[11:44] <POVaddct> moosa: there is only one compiler in linux and that is gcc/g++. the compiler itself is always command line only and the typical form of source code distribution is to be compiled with command line tools like make.
[11:44] <POVaddct> moosa: there are graphical front ends for editing source and compiling them, but i doubt you can use that for any tar.gz source archive.
[11:47] <emun> in fact I am also interested in what you do after you get the tar.gz archive seating on your desktop
[11:47] <moosa> i try opening it
[11:47] <POVaddct> emun: first you should ask if you have to install the software from a tar at all. in most cases there is a ubuntu package for it.
[11:50] <Neko_Asak> Okay, I ask again.  I need help installing Ubuntu.  My Sony DVD-RW is a "non-standard drive" and I am unable to mount it, therefore unable to complete the install.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
[11:51] <emun> good, what is happening is this some of newbie see some application we like and want to install it so we download it and think we can just double click it and install , but I  am learning that maye I need to check for packages first is that correct
[11:52] <emun> excuse my typing
[11:52] <noona> can someone help me choosing one between these laptops: http://www.castlecops.com/t175286-help_choosing_my_lapptop.html
[11:53] <hope13> try  cd rom with different branding other than sony lol
[11:53] <POVaddct> emun: yes. downloading a installer and doubleclicking it is the windows way. in most linux distributions, you install software from a repository built for this particular distribution.
[11:53] <moosa> i guess its only you and me command line
[11:53] <emun> by the way what is tar and what is rpm
[11:54] <Neko_Asak> Apparently so.  Right.  Well, off I go then.
[11:54] <moosa> red hat package
[11:54] <moosa> rpm
[11:54] <POVaddct> emun: tar is the traditional unix archiver program. not distro specific.
[11:55] <Stormx2> emun: Yeah. Its not like windows. You can of course download stuff from the internet, but unless you need something which isn't in any repos / a custom build its best to check the repos.
[11:55] <POVaddct> emun: rpm is the redhat package manager format. ubuntu does not use rpm. ubuntu packages are in .deb format, that is debian package.
[11:55] <elles> selam
[11:55] <emun> appreciate the explanation, now I am slowly understanding this stuff
[11:55] <elles> hi
[11:56] <oxygen> :))
[11:56] <oxygen> elles, : are you turk ?
[11:56] <hope13> isn't it salom
[11:56] <elles> :) of course
[11:56] <elles> :P
[11:56] <oxygen> hehe
[11:56] <elles> u?
[11:56] <oxygen> yes me to
[11:56] <oxygen> :)
[11:57] <oxygen> ubuntumu kurcan
[11:57] <elles> ee bura sagirodan0131n sohbet kanal0131 deilmi
[11:57] <POVaddct> emun: the advantage of package management is that it keeps track of dependencies. if package A needs package B to run, installing package A will also install package B.
[11:57] <Stormx2> Happy Christmas everyone! Does anyone have any suggestions for an HTTP POST Brute Forcer / Dictionary Attacker?
[11:57] <oxygen> sohbet kanalm
[11:57] <oxygen> :)))
[11:57] <elles> hicbisey kurmak gibi niyetim yokta
[11:57] <elles> siyasi tart0131sma platformu sanm0131st0131m
[11:57] <oxygen> o ne haci anlamadim
[11:57] <oxygen> ben
[11:57] <elles> hac0131 m0131:)
[11:57] <POVaddct> english please
[11:58] <emun> now how do you check a repository for something you saw on the internet and want to install
[11:58] <lafielle> anyone know how to get azureus to minimise to the tray?
[11:58] <Stormx2> Go to your own rooms... heh
[11:58] <Stormx2> emun: Synaptic?
[11:58] <oxygen> ajanmsn sen
[11:58] <oxygen> :)
[11:58] <hope13> lafie: no
[11:58] <moosa> ahh i missed wolf.E.T
[11:58] <unfun> How do you remove stuff you have installed in wine?
[11:58] <moosa> and most of Id games
[11:58] <lafielle> hope13: :(
[11:58] <hope13> um should i dl a anti virus program for my ubuntu? Or is that an oxymoron?
[11:58] <POVaddct> emun: on the command line (i mostly use that one instead of graphical tools) you would type: apt-cache search name
[11:59] <Stormx2> unfun: There should be an uninstaller .exe in the directory
[11:59] <elles> ee 0131m a little speak english
[11:59] <Stormx2> hope13: No you don't.
[11:59] <ebe-1> Hi guys. Got a prob. Installed my wireless usb network adaptor using ndiswrapper...it works, but only for about a minute. Then it just ceases to work, and I don't understand why.
[11:59] <unfun> okedoke
[11:59] <elles> 0131m learning
[11:59] <Stormx2> hope13: Not unless you plan on serving some huge internet sites
[11:59] <POVaddct> emun: for example apt-cache search screen
[11:59] <hope13> actually i was planning to get good at linux and then do LAMP
[11:59] <lafielle> or does anybody prefer a different (as well featured but less resource hungry) torrent client?
[11:59] <hope13> mu torrent
[12:00] <hope13> unfortunately it's only for window i think
[12:00] <oxygen> elles, : klavyen bozuk gibi :)
[12:00] <lafielle> er, yes..
[12:00] <lafielle> I need one for ubuntu.
[12:00] <hope13> doesn't ubuntu come with a default one?
[12:00] <emun> is that apt-cache search  then the name of what you are seaching for
[12:00] <moosa> is there a doc about installing .tar files in the wiki
[12:01] <elles> yok diilde
[12:01] <brady> what DM is used if I install kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop?
[12:01] <elles> ubuntu ne demek onu bulmaya cal0131s0131om
[12:01] <lafielle> brady: You usually get a choice on your login screen IIRC.
[12:02] <POVaddct> brady: good question. kdm or gdm :)
[12:02] <elles> kdm ?
[12:02] <elles> gdm?
[12:02] <brady> merhaba, elles
[12:02] <elles> mrb
[12:02] <moosa> if thats arabic its wrong
[12:02] <moosa> :P
[12:03] <brady> turkish
[12:03] <lafielle> merhaba, nessusin :P
[12:03] <lafielle> is about all I remember
[12:03] <brady> nasilsin, but the i's should be without dot
[12:03] <lafielle> and "chockien" or something similar
[12:03] <lafielle> brady: yeah, dodgy on the spelling :P
[12:04] <elles> iim sen
[12:04] <elles> :)
[12:04] <lafielle> bbl
[12:05] <obstfliege> moin moin!
[12:05] <moosa> its sad my whole school wanted to use edubuntu but found that there computers RAM cant handle it
[12:06] <hope13> wolw that's a sad schoo
[12:06] <POVaddct> moin obstfliege
[12:06] <moosa> it runs windows XP just fine tho
[12:06] <hope13> does linux comes with a default firewall?
[12:06] <elles> ooooooooffffffffffffff
[12:06] <brady> if i apt-get install kubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop, will whatever DM i end up with give me the choice of session in the way i expect?
[12:06] <POVaddct> hope13: it comes with a tool to set up firewall rules (iptables)
[12:07] <hope13> i don't believe that moosa lol
[12:07] <hope13> oh
[12:07] <moosa> its true and sad :(
[12:07] <POVaddct> hope13: its true, win XP can boot with 64mb ram
[12:08] <brady> gule gule. I will never understand the desire to omit letters in typed-turkish.
[12:08] <moosa> my schools computer teacher was looking forword for using edubuntu
[12:08] <POVaddct> hope13: iptables is command line only, but there are many frontends (like firestarter) to make it easier
[12:09] <ubuntu> 
[12:09] <willskills> I am having issues with TC:E sound; Alsa works fine (WoW runs with sound - aoss wine wow.exe) (xmms etc all run fine in desktop) - TC:E sound starts, but it just sounds like farts, at like 1sec intervals, is this a buffer issue?
[12:09] <hope13> firestarter?
[12:09] <hope13> mm
[12:09] <hope13> thx again
[12:09] <moosa> if only edubuntu haves less RAM req
[12:10] <POVaddct> hope13: you can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install firestarter. however i prefer setting up the rules with iptables itself, in a shell script.
[12:10] <emun> why is it so difficult to get a printer to work with ubuntu, but then turboprint can make printers work at a price, ie not free
[12:11] <hope13> mmmmm shell script...? like perl?
[12:11] <POVaddct> moosa: how much RAM is built in?
[12:11] <POVaddct> hope13: shell, not perl
[12:11] <malv> emun, its not if your printer is supported
[12:11] <moosa> 126
[12:11] <malv> even easier than windows I would say
[12:11] <moosa> mp
[12:11] <antman_> lol i wish i knew how to get a web cam to work in ubuntu
[12:11] <POVaddct> moosa: you mean 128mb?
[12:11] <moosa> yes
[12:11] <ubuntu> Hello i AM ubuntu
[12:11] <malv> my sweet ubuntu desktop: http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8830/screenshotma6.png
[12:12] <malv> that old linux background goes surprisingly well with ubuntus icons
[12:12] <POVaddct> moosa: the xubuntu live cd can run with 128mb
[12:12] <des1> hi all
[12:12] <POVaddct> moosa: at least xubuntu 6.06 does
[12:12] <ubuntu> Its so ... standard^^
[12:12] <moosa> can kids work on it....i dont think so
[12:12] <malv> I think my desktop should be the Ubuntu default =)
[12:13] <emun> malv, I have two canon printers working fine on winxp but can not get then to work in ubuntu, this is frustrating, do I need to buy another printer just for linux now
[12:13] <hope13> is linux openoffice written in java ?
[12:13] <apokryphos> malv: you deleted gnome and put on kde?
[12:13] <malv> emun, what model?
[12:13] <POVaddct> hope13: no, in C/C++
[12:13] <malv> apokryphos, kde is ugly
[12:13] <hope13> oh no wonder it's fast
[12:13] <ubuntu> jup
[12:13] <apokryphos> malv: perhaps. Or beautiful.
[12:14] <hope13> i tried to dl java 1.4 and it crashed >,>
[12:14] <emun> canon i470d and pixma mp150
[12:14] <hope13> povaddct: do you know how do uninstall it?
[12:14] <apokryphos> hope13: right. Use koffice ;-)
[12:14] <malv> emun, there is a repository with canon printer drivers
[12:14] <POVaddct> hope13: uninstall what?
[12:14] <moosa> i guess windows well be the prime OS in schools for generations to come
[12:14] <hope13> poveaddct: 1.4 java
[12:14] <apokryphos> it already isn't in many
[12:14] <brady> eh, in the end X servers only to multiplex my terminals and service a web browser.
[12:14] <malv> emun, http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/
[12:15] <malv> emun, I don't know if your model is supported though
[12:15] <POVaddct> hope13: did you install with the package manager?
[12:15] <hope13> i installed the java 1.4 plugin in firefox and it failed
[12:15] <malv> turboprint may be the only way apart from writing the driver yourself =(
[12:15] <apokryphos> 1.4 is oldd
[12:16] <malv> I don't like the idea of paying $30 for a printer driver myself
[12:16] <hope13> it was the only one in the add/remove that had the "plugin" for firefox
[12:16] <malv> seems, kinda, against the whole open source philosophy
[12:16] <hope13> you torrent it lol
[12:16] <sam> hello
[12:16] <hope13> and get the driver for free
[12:16] <sam> how are you al girls
[12:16] <malv> piracy isn't part of the OSS philosophy
[12:16] <brady> malv the os philosophy is not free as in beer.
[12:16] <hope13> oh
[12:17] <malv> brady, turboprint isn't open either
[12:17] <hope13> but how are they going to make money? lol
[12:17] <malv> support
[12:17] <oxygen> what s default root password this ubuntu ?
[12:17] <hope13> i was hoping to be a linux software programmer one day or something like that
[12:17] <malv> you write the software for free and keep it open, then charge for support
[12:18] <POVaddct> !rootsudo | oxygen
[12:18] <ubotu> oxygen: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:18] <brady> it is tough to complain about OS philosophy when one doesn't consider printer support before buying.
[12:18] <malv> if you buy linux compatible hardware, linux is very easy to set up =)
[12:18] <malv> almost all the problems with linux are driver issues
[12:18] <POVaddct> oxygen: the root account is disabled by default in ubuntu. use sudo to run something as root.
[12:19] <hope13> if it doesn't work you go out and club some penguins
[12:19] <hope13> jk
[12:19] <antman_> lol
[12:19] <oxygen> i cant login
[12:19] <malv> just buy Nvidia... they support linux well
[12:19] <oxygen> sudo root
[12:19] <oxygen> password: rootsudo
[12:19] <oxygen> but icant login
[12:19] <moosa> i just love my nvidia card
[12:19] <malv> sudo -s
[12:19] <hope13> >> you sure? they kept their stuff in binaries
[12:20] <hope13> i think intel integrated graphic is open
[12:20] <emun> I will look in there so far though no luck with it , I wish I knew how to write the drivers myself
[12:20] <POVaddct> oxygen: you misunderstood how to use sudo
[12:20] <malv> anyone having problems with jmicron?
[12:20] <POVaddct> oxygen: sudo command   (then sudo asks for your user password)
[12:20] <malv> how well does Intel support linux?
[12:20] <matthias> hi, how can i set the slpash screen after grub-menu to ubuntu-style? after installing kde it has now kubuntu-theme, but i prefer the ubuntu-logo ^^
[12:20] <des1> can i boot from ubuntu if i dont have other opereative system ?
[12:21] <hope13> they love linux?
[12:21] <finn_> how can I make my system automatically pair with the bluetooth keyboard?
[12:21] <finn_> I always need another keyboard to run "hidd --search"
[12:21] <hope13> well i know their graphic stuffs are open source
[12:21] <malv> I've seen a lot of complaints with people with core 2 duo boards
[12:21] <hc> hey
[12:21] <hc> i need some help with xorg.conf
[12:21] <POVaddct> malv: partly very well, like they provide open source drivers for their ethernet, wireless and gfx cards
[12:21] <malv> most of which has to do with the jmicron sata controller
[12:21] <hope13> and linux for dummies named intel as a linux loving company
[12:21] <malv> POVaddct, well that's good
[12:21] <oxygen> ok i can foud
[12:21] <spikeb> happy holidays :)
[12:22] <POVaddct> malv: dont know about core 2 duo boards though
[12:22] <oxygen> desktop hide icons ..
[12:22] <oxygen> how can i show it ?
[12:22] <oxygen> i cant see icons in ubuntu desktop
[12:22] <malv> Canon doesn't even recognize the existence of Linux
[12:22] <matthias> oh, i know it now
[12:22] <malv> it's sad because Canon makes some very good hardware
[12:22] <hope13> because there are none when you just install it
[12:22] <hope13> you see the two panels no?
[12:23] <brady> malv, maybe you can set up the printer on a windows box and print to it over network.
[12:23] <Lynoure> malv: it's only good if it works. But if you like their products, you could nag at them, if you havent already
[12:23] <hope13> if you put a cd in your cd rom a icon appears i think
[12:23] <emun> I wonder you can get drivers for almost any device in linux but when it comes to printers there is a problem
[12:23] <malv> Lynoure, luckily they support my hardware in Japan
[12:24] <moosa> ill just go and play a tux game
[12:25] <POVaddct> emun: wifi cards can also be a problem. thanks to the ignorance of some hardware manufacturers...
[12:26] <hope13> how come i can't remove stuff in the add/remove application?
[12:26] <spikeb> some?
[12:26] <spikeb> how bout ALL :P
[12:26] <willskills> hope13, some can't be removed, it's required for gnome
[12:26] <willskills> try KDE if you find gnome a bit bulky :)
[12:27] <hope13> i just installed the java 1.4 plugin for firefox
[12:27] <hope13> i just want it out
[12:27] <Naik0> How can i see witch GTK+2 Engine iam using right now?
[12:27] <hope13> lol
[12:27] <hope13> system menu
[12:27] <emun> well what happens is some of us migrate from winxp to linux with all our hardware. maybe in the future we can take the limitations in linux before buyting new hardware
[12:27] <hope13> then about gnome i think
[12:27] <Astaroth_> how can i set esd to alsa?
[12:28] <gripir_> hello :) ... is it possible to update from dapper to edgy with apt?
[12:28] <POVaddct> hope13: that should be removable. but i dont use this graphical stuff install/deinstall.
[12:28] <gripir_> btw merry xmas ;)
[12:28] <emun> povaddct thanks for all the info much appreciated
[12:28] <POVaddct> hope13: i like using apt-get on the command line
[12:28] <hope13> oh
[12:28] <Naik0> hope13, can i see that in term?
[12:28] <hope13> is the an apt-getthehellout ?
[12:28] <spikeb> gripir_, merry xmas, and yes - let me grab the instructions for you
[12:29] <gripir_> spikeb: ok thx
[12:29] <hope13> or apt-removeforever lol
[12:29] <malv> apt-get remove --purge
[12:29] <zomghax> i
[12:29] <zomghax> hi
[12:29] <hope13> i don't trust malv command
[12:29] <spikeb> gripir_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades
[12:29] <hope13> see what in term Naiko?
[12:29] <sam> hope13
[12:30] <sam> can  ask questions to you
[12:30] <POVaddct> hope13: you can look up the package name of the java plugin by: dpkg -l | grep plugin
[12:30] <sam> in private rrom
[12:30] <sam> room
[12:30] <zomghax> damn you guys stay up long
[12:30] <hope13> i'm a guy sam
[12:30] <willskills> zomghax, is omglol from last night?
[12:30] <POVaddct> zomghax: it is 12:29 noon here
[12:30] <spikeb> zomghax, i love your nick :)
[12:30] <zomghax> =D
[12:31] <moosa> what if someo
[12:31] <sam> come
[12:31] <oxygen> i have a usb mause benq
[12:31] <ebe-1> Hi guys. Any idea why FF2 isn't showing up in the package manager?
[12:31] <oxygen> but it s not work under the ubuntu
[12:31] <oxygen> :(
[12:31] <gripir_> thx spikeb :)
[12:31] <gripir_> cya!
[12:32] <hope13> what pirate room?
[12:32] <hope13> private
[12:32] <ebe-1> Shouldn't Firefox 2 come up as an update?
[12:32] <moosa> i wonder why dont we make linux applications limited to linux only
[12:32] <holycow> ebe-1, only if a patch is required
[12:32] <sam> ok dont come
[12:32] <ebe-1> Oh..
[12:32] <moosa> i mean windows does that
[12:32] <finn_> why should "we" moosa ?
[12:33] <spikeb> heh moosa
[12:33] <holycow> moosa, its a good queestion.  most developers are apolitical and really want to follow the spirit of the gpl
[12:33] <hope13> um i found the java plugin POVaddct god of ubuntu what should i do now?
[12:33] <holycow> moosa, some are political and think that putting open source on windows smooths the transition
[12:33] <POVaddct> hope13: i am not god of ubuntu :))
[12:33] <hope13> to a newbie yes
[12:33] <holycow> moosa, i've come to the opinion that we should eliminate all free software on windows, why make their life easy?
[12:33] <holycow> :) but offtopic
[12:33] <POVaddct> hope13: now you do: sudo apt-get remove --purge name_of_the_plugin_package
[12:34] <POVaddct> hope13: you may have to close the add/remove window before that
[12:34] <hc> http://raggsokk.net/~hc/Xorg.0.log  <-- help me?
[12:34] <Naik0> How can i change so my Candido GTK+2 Engine is active?
[12:35] <moosa> i mean why do we switch to linux to get free apps and opensource while we can get it with windows and all of the other applications
[12:35] <POVaddct> hope13: apt-get will inform you if it has to remove additional packages depending on the plugin package
[12:36] <spikeb> moosa, because we don't want to run windows :)
[12:36] <moosa> and i noticed that linux is not vary supportive for game devs
[12:36] <moosa> :(
[12:36] <emun> someone mentioned setting up printer in a windows box and printing to it over network , how do you do that , do you need a printserver
[12:36] <spikeb> how is it not?
[12:37] <moosa> lose of directX
[12:37] <spikeb> moosa, bah
[12:37] <spikeb> moosa, openGL is still there, as well as other things.
[12:37] <hope13> dude thx again POVaddct I have to write this command down lol
[12:37] <hope13> in case this happen again lol
[12:38] <moosa> why dosnt linux have a graphics library for its own that whould move game dev a bit
[12:38] <spikeb> it has a number of different tools for game programmers, not the least of which might be a little something called OpenGL.
[12:39] <holycow> moosa, it actually has quite a few
[12:39] <emun> brady, how do set up printer on windows box and print from linux to it
[12:39] <holycow> moosa, the problem is that directx is devd by a very large rich company that gives it away for free
[12:40] <moosa> whoa
[12:40] <avis> frequency 7
[12:40] <holycow> moosa, to invest in game kit like that you haveto have two things : a large game market and a large game supply side, and you would need to charge for the game kit in some way to continue investing in it.
[12:40] <holycow> its a bit of a problem
[12:40] <hope13> um graphic programming is actually pretty hard IMO
[12:40] <holycow> first we haveto get our userbase much larger so we can start demanding things from hardware manufacturers
[12:40] <holycow> game companies will fall behind us after that
[12:41] <catalytic> merry christmas all
[12:41] <hope13> i think openGL is good enough
[12:41] <holycow> unless say for example ps3 suddenly drops to 200$, comes preinstalled with linux and sony decides to do a linux based dev kit thing like ms is doing
[12:41] <catalytic> what is the process for adding IDE devices (extra hard drives) after ubuntu has been installed?
[12:41] <hope13> no they're  giving out that unreal engine
[12:41] <hope13> well partially giving out unreal engine
[12:42] <moosa> openGL is not friends with OOP programming hopel3
[12:42] <LinTux> What make and model or chipset WIFI card will work with Ubuntu straight out of the box?
[12:42] <hope13> OOP?
[12:42] <moosa> correction OO
[12:42] <hope13> i thought the source code is out?
[12:42] <catalytic> moosa: what is java doing when it uses GL then?
[12:42] <hope13> GL is in C
[12:42] <hope13> or C++
[12:43] <hope13> lol i enjoy it when UCi student get killed in graphic class
[12:43] <Umbriel> Hi all, does anyone have an idea about configuring iptables as router and port redirection with a single network card?
[12:43] <moosa> i dont know i am not a java guy catalytic
[12:43] <catalytic> well java is OO and it seems to handle GL fine
[12:43] <hope13> java is interpret and it's slow
[12:43] <catalytic> lol
[12:43] <hope13> and every single stuff have to be OO
[12:44] <hope13> which is sick
[12:44] <moosa> not recommanded for FPS
[12:44] <hope13> and it's I/O suck
[12:44] <catalytic> java is slow is it?
[12:44] <hope13> yes
[12:44] <catalytic> what if its done properly?
[12:44] <moosa> unless its turn based
[12:44] <hope13> i'm comparing it to C
[12:44] <LinTux> What make and model or chipset WIFI card will work with Ubuntu straight out of the box?
[12:44] <catalytic> and not some amateurs attempt at coding like C in java?
[12:44] <hope13> lol
[12:44] <hope13> compile language > interprete
[12:45] <hope13> no competition
[12:45] <Naik0> Please can someone tell me how to activate an GTK+2 Engine?
[12:45] <Zaggynl> I played an online fps Java game a while ago....at 10 fps
[12:45] <moosa> will wurm is a promising game and it runs on linux1
[12:45] <catalytic> dipshit programmer + machine = still possibly slower than well written Java
[12:45] <Zaggynl> yeah, wurm it was x-D
[12:45] <hope13> i'm comparing it to C and java i don't know what you're comparing it to
[12:45] <hope13> or C++
[12:46] <emun> have printer connected to printserver on windows system , is there a way to print to it from linux
[12:46] <moosa> i recommand that any one who wants to see a good linux game go see wurm
[12:46] <catalytic> Zaggynl, played jake2?
[12:46] <Zaggynl> nope
[12:46] <catalytic> k
[12:46] <moosa> its java too and runs smoothly
[12:46] <Zaggynl> lol q2 in java :o
[12:46] <hope13> java is slow
[12:47] <hope13> it's easy to code
[12:47] <hope13> but it's slow
[12:47] <Zaggynl> and according to their benchmarks, their latest version of jake2 runs faster then its C counterpart
[12:47] <moosa> i use c++ myself
[12:47] <hope13> google c++ versus java lol
[12:47] <moosa> not much oo code tho
[12:47] <hope13> or c
[12:47] <catalytic> ppl bag out different languages, when they dont really understand them
[12:48] <hope13> that one is interpret and the other is compiled
[12:48] <catalytic> the benchmarks are probably based on computations that would never really be used in a normal app
[12:48] <hope13> compare openoffice of window to openoffice of linux
[12:48] <hope13> linux runs faster
[12:49] <moosa> there is one thing i am glad that i lift in windows
[12:49] <POVaddct> hope13: are you sure windows openoffice is written in java?
[12:49] <hope13> yeah
[12:49] <hope13> it's written in java
[12:49] <hope13> last time i check
[12:49] <hope13> one sec
[12:49] <hope13> i'll wiki it
[12:49] <moosa> win32 (evil music)
[12:49] <catalytic> u mean the java VM runs faster in linux
[12:49] <catalytic> or the os that the JVM is running on top of, is running faster?
[12:50] <dcordes> are there any pdas that are known for good linux support?
[12:50] <catalytic> ipaq
[12:50] <POVaddct> hey dcordes
[12:50] <moosa> i get 20 more fps in wurm so java could be faster in linux
[12:50] <POVaddct> dcordes: did you get my mail?
[12:51] <catalytic> http://www.idiom.com/~zilla/Computer/javaCbenchmark.html
[12:51] <catalytic> anyways
[12:51] <catalytic> mac vs pc, java vs c, ati vs radeon, nintendo vs sony
[12:51] <Naik0> Can someone help me find "gtk2-engines-rezlooks_0.6-1_i386.deb" would be great!
[12:51] <catalytic> can anyone help me add extra IDE harddrives to an already configured install of ubuntu?
[12:51] <midgetg0at> hrm....anyone know where i can find the apache2 log file on edgy? it doesnt appear to be starting...
[12:52] <Juhaz> only version of OOo that used java is neooffice for mac, and even that's only partially.
[12:52] <dcordes> POVaddct: ah yea i read it yesterday evening. my problem is the following: i can't use the method descriped in your gfx because i don't have a third box.... but i found another method that may be ok
[12:52] <dcordes> but thanks a lot man
[12:52] <hope13> mmm still looking
[12:52] <hope13> oh well
[12:52] <hope13> c>java in term of speed
[12:52] <POVaddct> dcordes: okay
[12:52] <hope13> in term of easiness i think java wins
[12:52] <hope13> i don't even think java deals with pointer
[12:52] <catalytic> doesnt have to
[12:52] <catalytic> and it has garbage collection
[12:52] <dcordes> POVaddct: i have to go fetch my grandpa now have a nice christmas
[12:52] <hope13> yeah
[12:53] <midgetg0at> so...no one knows the apache2 log file location? :)
[12:53] <ken> hope13: Pointers dont exist for Java, objects exists
[12:53] <hope13> that's a double edge sword
[12:53] <hope13> garbage collector are slow
[12:53] <hope13> but easy
[12:53] <catalytic> lol
[12:53] <catalytic> hope
[12:53] <catalytic> read that link that i posted
[12:53] <catalytic> "Most programmers say garbage collection is or should be slow, with no given reason- it's assumed but never discussed. Some computer language researchers say otherwise."
[12:54] <ken> Please help: What are the consequences/advantages/disadvantages of using FAT32 as the FileSystem for My Linux machine
[12:54] <catalytic> cant believe im sitting in an irc room on christmas night defending java
[12:54] <catalytic> and all i want to do is install an extra hard drive
[12:54] <catalytic> ah the wonders of irc
[12:54] <antman_> lol
[12:54] <midgetg0at> i just wanna get my lil apache2 setup going :(
[12:55] <moosa> and i want to know how to use .tar files
[12:55] <hope13> reding
[12:55] <midgetg0at> locate apache2 yields nothing, yet, etc/init.d/stop says "Stopping apache 2.0 web server..."
[12:55] <midgetg0at> well, apache2 stop
[12:55] <hope13> some versus most lol
[12:56] <ken> What are the consequences/advantages/disadvantages of using FAT32 as the FileSystem for My Linux machine?
[12:57] <jatt> funest consequeces, no advantages
[12:57] <Juhaz> you can't use fat32
[12:58] <gripir_> spikeb: there is a problem
[12:58] <ken> Jatt: please elaborate
[12:58] <ken> Juhaz: Why?
[12:58] <spikeb> gripir_, what's that?
[12:58] <gripir_> Failed to fetch http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/dists/dapper/free/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
[12:58] <gripir_> Failed to fetch http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/dists/dapper/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
[12:58] <Juhaz> it doesn't support posix file permissions, and several kinds of special files which you absolutely need for a working system
[12:58] <gripir_> sry for pasting.
[12:58] <spikeb> gripir_, change dapper to edgy-plf. also, sometimes plf goes down
[12:59] <gripir_> where can I do this?
[12:59] <NineTeen67Comet> Hi all .. does anyone know of a good gdesklet like app (that makes the icon bar like "MacOS X") .. I've been playing with e-live e16 cd and it's got one that's just smooth .. ideas?
[12:59] <spikeb> gripir_, by editing /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:59] <gripir_> and there every dapper to edgy?
[01:00] <FirstStrike> NineTeen67Comet: adesklets
[01:00] <gripir_> ah I think I got it
[01:00] <NineTeen67Comet> FirstStrike: adesklets .. gotchya .. a'googaling I go .. thank you ..
[01:01] <jatt> ken: because vfat is intended to be a Windows95/Windows NT compatible extended MSDOS filesystem and no linux filesystem? Isn't that enough reason?
[01:02] <hope13> i'mma choose wiki java defense on why it's slow
[01:02] <hope13> lol
[01:02] <gripir_> Failed to fetch http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/dists/edgy/free/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found <-- maybe  it is really down :S
[01:03] <fabian_> hi. does anyone have experience with the Netgear WG111v2 wireless adapter?
[01:03] <hope13> they only use one compiler and it's c++
[01:03] <hope13> g++
[01:03] <ken> jatt: i am getting lot of compatibility problems to make Windows and Ubuntu to see each others partitions. SO i formatted Windows and installed a new XP on FAT32 (so ubuntu can safely read/write) now i am going to format Ubuntu and i need a file-system that is 100%compatible with Windows. So tell me what should i keep the Ubuntu's partition's file-system as?
[01:03] <fabian_> ps: i'm a total noob to irc^^
[01:03] <NineTeen67Comet> FirstStrike: do you know by chance if it'll be okay with Beryl/AIXGL/Nvidia going? .. I've found that FrostWire does not work with Beryl running ..
[01:04] <hope13> irc = all my manga/anime
[01:04] <sciboy> G'day.
[01:04] <hc> lo sciboy
[01:04] <sciboy> I was curious, what do i need to do to get my system to autodetect my hardware and fill in most of my Xorg.conf?
[01:05] <bubbles> hi
[01:05] <bubbles> is it possible to change that boot-splash?
[01:05] <jatt> ken: I don't understand why you need a filesystem that is 100% compatible with windows. What do you mean with "100% compatible"? Why is ext{2|3} not enough in your case?
[01:06] <ken> jatt: Windows can't read/write to it! Thats why.
[01:06] <POVaddct> !ext3
[01:06] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[01:06] <bubbles> afaik it was possible on breezy, but not on dapper or edgy
[01:06] <jatt> ken: there are ports of ext{2|3} to windows, AFAIK. Or you can use SAMBA to write to your linux partition.
[01:07] <ken> jatt: What is SAMBA?
[01:07] <jatt> !samba
[01:07] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[01:07] <ken> jatt: Is it easy for me to learn/use or has it got all the complexities generally associated with Linux?
[01:08] <POVaddct> jatt: samba is of no use in a dual-boot scenario
[01:08] <moosa> heh well i guess its a chanse to play with python a little
[01:08] <jatt> ken: I am not sure if samba is for you (a single pc). So I would take a look at the ext{2|3} ports for windows.
[01:08] <POVaddct> !ext3
[01:08] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[01:08] <jatt> exactly, that's what I meant
[01:08] <ken> POVaddct: Have you used that driver reliably?
[01:09] <POVaddct> ken: no
[01:09] <ken> jatt: you?
[01:09] <POVaddct> ken: can't tell how stable it is
[01:09] <ken> POVaddct: I noticed that the files i write through that driver, MAYBE causing Ubuntu to re-check the journal of my HDD at boot-up
[01:10] <brian_> hello
[01:10] <jatt> ken: I don't use windows
[01:11] <ken> POVaddct: jatt: OK, thank you for helping me
[01:11] <POVaddct> ken: i would have a different approach to sharing files between linux and windows on a dual boot machine. leaving windows on a ntfs filesystem, linux on a ext3 filesystem and have a spare partition with fat32 for both systems to read/write
[01:12] <Brandoo> #ubuntu-at
[01:12] <ken> POVaddct: I want to avoid having a extra partition dedicated to 'sharing' data.
[01:12] <POVaddct> ken: hmm
[01:12] <brian_> I love ubuntu
[01:12] <ken> brian_: And what does ubuntu think og you? ;-)
[01:12] <ken> *of
[01:12] <moosa> i didnt find a reason to love ubuntu yet :(
[01:13] <brian_> It is faster than Windows Xp
[01:13] <jatt> moosa: do you hate ubuntu?
[01:13] <moosa> not really i hate .tar files
[01:13] <hope13> ubuntu have nice eye candy
[01:13] <POVaddct> jatt: not loving doesn't mean hating
[01:13] <hope13> and it's not written in java >,>
[01:13] <hope13> lol
[01:14] <moosa> java is bitter then VB.NET lmo
[01:14] <hope13> i still can't think of a reason why java is faster that c++
[01:14] <jatt> hope13: is it?
[01:14] <hc> og 3 sekunder  bytte p.
[01:14] <moosa> java is written is c++
[01:14] <hc> damn
[01:14] <moosa> i think
[01:15] <hope13> it's not suppose to be fast lol cuz interpret versus compiler
[01:15] <hope13> other wise Linux should be written in Java
[01:15] <ken> What use is a 'journal' of the EXT3 FS?
[01:15] <moosa> bad c++ code < good java code
[01:16] <hope13> lol bad c++ code = seg fault = memory leak = blue screen of death
[01:16] <jatt> !journal
[01:16] <moosa> omfg
[01:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about journal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:16] <jatt> hm crap :(
[01:16] <POVaddct> ken: a journalling file system is more robust and does not need lengthy checking after power outages
[01:17] <moosa> i didnt get the blue screen in years i kind of missed it
[01:17] <hope13> no it's horrible and bad coding
[01:17] <hope13> lol
[01:17] <POVaddct> moosa: write a blue screen emulator :)
[01:17] <moosa> good idea
[01:17] <ken> POVaddct: So if i use a windows driver to write to a EXT3 FS, than will i disrupt the 'journal'?
[01:17] <hope13> just set a pointer to null and then em
[01:17] <hope13> what's that term
[01:18] <hope13> reference it
[01:18] <brainiac_ghost> just wanna wish you all a merry christmas
[01:18] <moosa> i mean linux dosnt crash so i have to make a crash applet for it :D
[01:18] <brainiac_ghost> ken: not neccaserilly
[01:18] <POVaddct> moosa: actually, some screen savers in linux have blue screen modes
[01:18] <ken> brainiac_ghost: please elaborate
[01:18] <brainiac_ghost> ken: i believe ext3 updates the journal when it is fsck'd if it was written in ext2 mode
[01:19] <POVaddct> ken: no, ext3 can be used as ext2. however, the journal isn't used as long as it is used as ext2.
[01:19] <brainiac_ghost> ken: and ext3 will journal the futeure transactions when used as ext3
[01:19] <moosa> i want to know how to write some binary
[01:20] <moosa> (1 0)
[01:20] <ken> brainiac_ghost: POVaddct: So at every boot-up, before Ubuntu starts, i will have to wait for fsck to check my HDDs and update the journals, if i have writen to a EXT3 partition from Windows in the previous boot? This happens when i write Data using that driver from windows to the EXT3 partition
[01:20] <moosa> i want to see how it all started
[01:20] <brainiac_ghost> ken: dunno, i just had a shared fat partition :P
[01:21] <POVaddct> ken: i really dont know how the windows ext2/3 driver works
[01:21] <ken> anyone else?
[01:21] <hope13> neone want to play a secret game in gnome?
[01:22] <ja> moosa, the most basic google search would have found this for you http://www.math.grin.edu/~rebelsky/Courses/152/97F/Readings/student-binary.html
[01:22] <hope13> moosa you love games
[01:22] <moosa> games == my life
[01:22] <rcrook> ok... why does unrar-free not want to extract anything??????
[01:22] <rcrook> does the -free mean doesnt work????
[01:22] <DeagsDoesLinux> moosa what games u play?
[01:22] <hope13> do a : alt+f2 and type gegls from outer space  and enter
[01:23] <POVaddct> i am not a gamer at all. in old atari st times i used to be one.
[01:23] <moosa> before linux i was playing hallf life 2
[01:23] <moosa> *Sniff* i miss it
[01:23] <DeagsDoesLinux> u can play hl2 in linux i believe
[01:23] <brainiac_ghost> moosa: i miss wow
[01:23] <brainiac_ghost> moosa: but meh
[01:23] <hope13> 1: alt+f2 2: type: gegls from outer space 2: enter
[01:23] <moosa> as well wolf.e.t
[01:23] <DeagsDoesLinux> i know wow works in linux
[01:24] <oxygen> i need nvidia driver for linux
[01:24] <xpc> !hu
[01:24] <oxygen> :)
[01:24] <ubotu> Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #ubuntu-hu
[01:24] <oxygen> ubuntu
[01:24] <xyz> hay can any one help with amsn tcl
[01:24] <xyz> how do i sudo apt-get amsn-tcl
[01:24] <moosa> i played almost every mmo games out there in the web
[01:24] <DeagsDoesLinux> the only problem with wow is u need like 1000 gb to play it lmao
[01:25] <hope13> T_T some1 do the gegls from outer space lol
[01:25] <DeagsDoesLinux> im installing ultime online for a free shard at the moment
[01:25] <DeagsDoesLinux> ultima even
[01:25] <jooopyme> what is the name of the unstable tree?
[01:25] <moosa> ok i hate .tar files now
[01:25] <POVaddct> feisty
[01:26] <FirstStrike> !nvidia | oxygen
[01:26] <ubotu> oxygen: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:26] <oxygen> ok
[01:26] <moosa> easy ubuntu is a easy choise tho
[01:27] <DeagsDoesLinux> what if u dont know what video card you have because its intigrated?
[01:27] <moosa> it maked ubuntu a little easyer for me
[01:27] <FirstStrike> DeagsDoesLinux: I just installed the Vanguard beta. After patching, it's 9.76 gigs.
[01:27] <oxygen> how can i use apt-search ?
[01:27] <oxygen> i want to use search
[01:27] <POVaddct> oxygen: apt-cache search ...
[01:27] <DeagsDoesLinux> eww @ first strike thats rough
[01:27] <FirstStrike> Yea..
[01:27] <FirstStrike>  Diskspace: 413.43G Free: 4.61G
[01:28] <fl1> how can i force the instalation of a package?
[01:28] <FirstStrike> -f
[01:28] <DeagsDoesLinux> i hate world of warcraft lol so i always poke at how its like 6 dvds now and every patch is like 2 gig
[01:28] <DeagsDoesLinux> lol
[01:28] <oxygen> i cant find nvdia
[01:28] <moosa> wurm ftw
[01:28] <moosa> its wayyyy better then wow
[01:28] <DeagsDoesLinux> whats wurm?
[01:28] <moosa> and its java :P
[01:29] <DeagsDoesLinux> ooo
[01:29] <FirstStrike> I play Ragnarok Online and Saga of Ryzom
[01:29] <moosa> google wurm online
[01:29] <FirstStrike> Both run well under wine
[01:29] <DeagsDoesLinux> ahh nice
[01:29] <DeagsDoesLinux> im venturing into uo right now no idea if it will work under wine it should tho its like 10 years old
[01:29] <DeagsDoesLinux> lol
[01:30] <FirstStrike> check the wine appsdb to see if it's listed as working
[01:30] <moosa> i wish they add wurm in ubuntu package
[01:30] <moosa> its addictive
[01:30] <DeagsDoesLinux> well its installing and everything
[01:30] <FirstStrike> installing is always the easy part
[01:30] <DeagsDoesLinux> and it has to work because i know people who play off linux
[01:31] <moosa> if you want more graphics download optional packs
[01:31] <FirstStrike> heh..heh...just because they're playing on linux doesn't mean it worked out of the box
[01:31] <FirstStrike> sometimes you have to patch wine/your kernel, compile a new kernel or make some other modifications to get things working
[01:31] <DeagsDoesLinux> im sure it did those people r dumber then i am
[01:31] <moosa> and if you set graphics to the mix your eyes are going to crash
[01:31] <DeagsDoesLinux> lol
[01:32] <DeagsDoesLinux> ill get it soon
[01:32] <sam> lol
[01:32] <moosa> IF your g-card can handle it first
[01:32] <DeagsDoesLinux> after this uo gets done
[01:32] <DeagsDoesLinux> its free moosa?
[01:32] <moosa> basic acc yeah
[01:32] <FirstStrike> back in wine 0.9.19 i had to compile a new kernel, patch wine and compile that from scratch and make modifications in the saga of ryzom .ini to get it running without graphic glitches + have sound.
[01:32] <moosa> you can build houses forge farm etc
[01:32] <cvasilak> hi there, anyone knows when the official postgresql 8.2 package will appear on the official package repository?
[01:32] <FirstStrike> that was rough
[01:32] <barosl> proftpd, vsftpd, pureftpd
[01:32] <FirstStrike> cvasilak: when somebody adds it.
[01:32] <moosa> play as a guest first
[01:32] <barosl> what ftpd do you use?
[01:33] <cvasilak> FirstStrike: oh ok, pretty smart...
[01:33] <FirstStrike> i've always preferred pureftpd
[01:33] <DeagsDoesLinux> ok ill get it soon
[01:33] <FirstStrike> cvasilak: nobody here has any idea when something will be added to the repository. even something major like wine took 3 days for .28 to get on there.
[01:33] <moosa> i suggest anyone who missed WOW in windows to play wurm
[01:34] <FirstStrike> I prefer to play a game that's actually challenging and not full of retards.
[01:34] <DeagsDoesLinux> ima go lay down while uo patches
[01:34] <DeagsDoesLinux> lol
[01:35] <moosa> DeagsDoesLinux,  wurm wont be welcoming at start its hard
[01:35] <moosa> and dont wander off to much or a spider will kill you
[01:35] <sam> merry christmas to all people
[01:35] <DeagsDoesLinux> ok
[01:36] <DeagsDoesLinux> n u sam
[01:36] <moosa> playing BASS atm anyone can help me?
[01:38] <linux_user> can anyone tell me something? is it safe to use automatix2?
[01:38] <apokryphos> !automatix
[01:38] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[01:40] <brainiac_ghost> !easyubuntu
[01:40] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[01:40] <apokryphos> linux_user: that's a no
[01:40] <brainiac_ghost> see, easyubuntu is less dangerous than automatix
[01:40] <linux_user> easyubuntu is a program something like automatix?
[01:40] <jatt> linux_user: NO NO NO never use automatix, NEVER
[01:40] <brainiac_ghost> linux_user: kinda
[01:41] <nolimitsoya> linux_user, with the exeption that it actualy works :)
[01:41] <nolimitsoya> *c
[01:41] <brainiac_ghost> linux_user: easier just to uncomment the repoositorys and apt-get install (whatever)
[01:41] <moosa> omg (removes automix from his computer)
[01:41] <linux_user> thnx guys. in faq i found that "my buddies on #ubuntu tells me is not safe to use automatix". that's why i asked you
[01:41] <apokryphos> or easier to see the documentation and FAQ
[01:41] <apokryphos> linux_user: take a look at the FAQ (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions) as linked to in the channel /topic
[01:42] <brainiac_ghost> linux_user: oh and HAPPY CHRISTMAS :P
[01:42] <ken> sudo apt-get windows-vista-premium
[01:43] <linux_user> thnx guys
[01:43] <brainiac_ghost> ken: sudo apt-get remove windows-vista-premium -oh-my-god-i-didn't-want-you-installed-in-the-first-place
[01:43] <FirstStrike> ken: haha..so true
[01:44] <ken> :)
[01:44] <nolimitsoya> ken, FirstStrike, http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
[01:45] <moosa> is linux friends with sony consoles?
[01:45] <ken> moosa: ya
[01:45] <ken> nolimitsoya: Maybe you could help; >	i am getting lot of compatibility problems to make Windows and Ubuntu to see each others partitions. SO i formatted Windows and installed a new XP on FAT32 (so ubuntu can safely read/write) now i am going to format Ubuntu and i need a file-system that is 100%compatible with Windows. So tell me what should i keep the Ubuntu's partition's file-system as?
[01:45] <moosa> so will linux aid it in the fight aginst the evil windows
[01:45] <FirstStrike> nolimitsoya: Sorry, but at nearly 5 am when I haven't slept yet that's way too much writing
[01:46] <FirstStrike> ken: ext3 should be fine..
[01:46] <FirstStrike> ken: there's software you can install on windows that'll let you access your linux partition/drive just fine.
[01:46] <FirstStrike> ubuntu should auto-mount your windows drive
[01:47] <nolimitsoya> ken, ext2/3 can be read from windows with the ext2ifs driver from fs-driver.org and id recommend ntfs-3g for writing to windows ntfs drives
[01:47] <ken> nolimitsoya: FirstStrike: Is this true: So at every boot-up, before Ubuntu starts, i will have to wait for fsck to check my HDDs and update the journals, if i have writen to a EXT3 partition from Windows in the previous boot? This happens when i write Data using that driver from windows to the EXT3 partition
[01:47] <FirstStrike> ken: what? no, that's not normal.
[01:47] <brainiac_ghost> FirstStrike: i would reccomend: windows: ntfs, data (mounted as /media/data - world read/writeable) - fat32 and ubuntu ext3
[01:47] <Spitfireleet> how do i enable my wifi connection through terminal? this is because i can't enable it properly through Network Settings
[01:47] <nolimitsoya> ken, no you shouldnt...
[01:48] <ken> nolimitsoya: FirstStrike: As i believe that when i write some data from Windows using that driver, it doesn;t update the journal.
[01:48] <brainiac_ghost> ken: yeah, but journal is just a recovery thing
[01:48] <nolimitsoya> ken, thats try, but it doesnt have to. ext3 is just ext2 without the journal
[01:48] <hope13> are you guys trying to get linux to write to window partition?
[01:48] <nolimitsoya> *with
[01:48] <brainiac_ghost> ken: as long as the write finishes successfully
[01:48] <FirstStrike> !wifi | Spitfireleet
[01:48] <ubotu> Spitfireleet: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:48] <brainiac_ghost> ken: it doesn't *need* to
[01:49] <nolimitsoya> *csync/
[01:49] <hope13> use Samba
[01:49] <hope13> >,>
[01:49] <FirstStrike> samba works
[01:49] <nolimitsoya> ken, if you get the fsck you didnt sync or get a clean unmount
[01:49] <FirstStrike> easy to setup. i use that myself for my laptop/desktop
[01:50] <Spitfireleet> FirstStrike: bash says event not found
[01:50] <hope13> hope13 = noob = only knows useless stuff like = free the fish
[01:50] <nolimitsoya> hope13, free the fish?
[01:51] <FirstStrike> nolimitsoya: alt + f2 and type in "free the fish" with no quotes
[01:51] <ken> nolimitsoya: FirstStrike: brainiac_ghost: Consider this scenario: I boot-up windows and write something in my EXT3 partitions using the FS-DRIVER.org's dirver, than the journal of the fs is not updated. Next time i boot Ubuntu i am having a unfinished journal and it fired up fsck to update the journal and i sit foolishly in front of the PC, as it slowly updates the journal at ubuntu boot?
[01:52] <nolimitsoya> ken, nope
[01:52] <nolimitsoya> ken, if you need the checking you didnt sync/unmount clean
[01:52] <ken> nolimitsoya: FirstStrike brainiac_ghost: Do you agree that the Windows driver doesn't update the journal.
[01:52] <hope13> nolimitsoya : if you have gnome: do alt+f2 ; type "free the fish"; press enter
[01:52] <nolimitsoya> ken, yes
[01:52] <nolimitsoya> hope13, i dont :P
[01:53] <ken> nolimitsoya: But in the previous boot i wrote something from Windows to EXT3, and clicked on shutdown, there is no way windows can perform a non-clean mount
[01:53] <FirstStrike> =\
[01:53] <nolimitsoya> xfce user
[01:53] <hope13> dang lol
[01:53] <nolimitsoya> ken, of course it can.
[01:53] <moosa> get that fish off my screen X(
[01:53] <ken> nolimitsoya: So if the journal is incomplete wouldn't ubuntu have to update it? And i have to sit there like a foolish punk waiting for it to scan my 160GB drive?
[01:53] <FirstStrike> nolimitsoya: it just makes a fish swim around on your desktop
[01:53] <nolimitsoya> ken, no it shouldnt
[01:53] <brainiac_ghost> ken: not neccaserilly
[01:54] <nolimitsoya> ken, as i said, ext3 can be mounted as ext2, and then the journal is just disregarded. the journal is just a list of operations. it doesnt have to be complete
[01:54] <brainiac_ghost> ken: i think it is because a journal is just a recovery measure if the write *fails* which if windows syncs and unmounts then it won't
[01:54] <ken> nolimitsoya: brainiac_ghost: 1)You agree that when writing from Windows the journal is incomplete, so when is the journal completed?
[01:54] <nolimitsoya> ken, not incomplete, disregarded. it doesnt have to be completed
[01:55] <FirstStrike> running into the brick wall doesn't seem to be working on him
[01:55] <brainiac_ghost> ken: a journal is a list of operations in order, if there are operations but it isn't liosted then it is still done, and they don't bother to list it
[01:55] <ken> nolimitsoya: So you speak out of personal experience that using that Windows driver doesn;t in any way cause fsck, or other ill-effects?
[01:56] <midgetg0at> "* /usr/sbin/apache is not executable, not starting/reloading... [fail] " whats that about? trying to get a little dev server setup
[01:56] <FirstStrike> ken: I use ext2ifs all the time with no hitches.
[01:56] <nolimitsoya> ken, a journal is a place where the fs writes stuff like 'im going to do <this>' and 'now ive done <that>'. if the journal says 'im going to do <this> <there>' but there is no corresponding 'ive done <that> <there>' the fs will assume all data in that area is bust. its doesnt hur if there is no journal for some operations. it will just not be seen
[01:57] <nolimitsoya> ken, wikipeda will probably help you understand journaling better than i can with limited time in an irc channel, but thats the breakdown
[01:57] <nolimitsoya> ken, the journal doesnt have to be complete
[01:57] <ken> nolimitsoya: I understand, thanks for the effort, i really appreciate it
[01:57] <ken> brainiac_ghost: FirstStrike: Thank you, i appreciate all of y'all's efforts
[01:57] <y3it221_klce> doubt, why cant we install two applications togeather, why do we need to wait
[01:58] <nolimitsoya> ken, no problem :)
[01:58] <brainiac_ghost> ken: NP
[01:58] <midgetg0at> anyone w/ apache experience? server doestn seem to want to start...
[01:58] <brainiac_ghost> ken: got nothing better to do this fine christmas
[01:58] <nolimitsoya> y3it221_klce, im leaping in to thing here, but to install several apps in the same time, just type one after another: sudo apt-get install <app1> <app2> <etc>
[01:59] <fotoflo> hey all
[01:59] <nolimitsoya> *things
[01:59] <ken> nolimitsoya: brainiac_ghost: FirstStrike: Thank you, and have a good day, and HAPPY UBUNT-ing :0
[01:59] <fotoflo> im having some trouble with a computer that I had trouble with before, and fixed, and is now not working again
[01:59] <[^Twen^] > hi
[01:59] <fotoflo> basicly DHCPDISCOVER is failing
[01:59] <[^Twen^] > is there any "remote-control" system included in ubuntu?
[01:59] <fotoflo> does anyone have time to help?
[02:00] <willskills> it's christmas day......... go eat :D
[02:01] <fotoflo> my router says the subnet mask is 255.255.255.0, but my ubuntu box is doing a dhcp discover on 255.255.255.255
[02:01] <fotoflo> could that be the problem?
[02:01] <rambo3> so
[02:01] <fotoflo> and how do i fix it?
[02:01] <rambo3> fotoflo, man route
[02:02] <Mihai> i tried to install debian 3.1 rc4 and everything worked fine until I tried to enter in graphic mode
[02:02] <Mihai> which failled and got the following message: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38760/
[02:03] <fotoflo> i think route assumes that i can get to  my router? but when i ping my router i get network unavailable
[02:03] <Mihai> any suggestions?
[02:03] <rambo3> and i dont think there is enything to fix there
[02:03] <nolimitsoya> fotoflo, then you probably didnt get a dhcp lease. is surfing working correctly?
[02:03] <rambo3> Mihai, wrong channel
[02:04] <Mihai> sorry
[02:04] <Mihai> :)
[02:04] <fotoflo> nothing is working
[02:04] <fotoflo> I didnt get a dhcp lease, correct
[02:05] <nolimitsoya> fotoflo, then you need to fix it :)
[02:05] <fotoflo> duh
[02:05] <fotoflo> thats why im here
[02:05] <fotoflo> how do i fix it?
[02:05] <nolimitsoya> fotoflo, well, we most likely cant support third party routers. youll have to read the documentation
[02:06] <fotoflo> btw. every time i start up this box, the NIC thinks its addy is 00;00;00;00;00
[02:06] <fotoflo> this isnt a router problem
[02:06] <kitche> fotoflo: that's ipv6 which your rotuer does not use
[02:06] <fotoflo> no
[02:06] <kitche> router*
[02:06] <nolimitsoya> fotoflo, how do you know?
[02:06] <fotoflo> thats a MAC addy
[02:06] <fotoflo> ifconfig
[02:06] <moosa> how much easy is debian for beginners?
[02:06] <nolimitsoya> moosa, none at all
[02:06] <rambo3> fotoflo, check dmesg for your net nic . it might me fouly or missing some driver
[02:06] <nolimitsoya> compared to ubuntu, that is...
[02:07] <kitche> fotoflo: ah ok you said addy that's why I got confused :P
[02:07] <moosa>  haves more tutorials tho...
[02:07] <nolimitsoya> moosa, and most of them are valid for ubuntu as well
[02:07] <fotoflo> err
[02:07] <Spitfireleet> what is the technical term for built in wi-fi?
[02:07] <moosa> i wonder if i could find one about tarballs
[02:07] <fotoflo> i forgot the command to pipe to show a few lines at a time
[02:07] <nolimitsoya> Spitfireleet, on board wifi?
[02:07] <nolimitsoya> :)
[02:08] <kitche> moosa: man tar should give you some examples
[02:08] <nolimitsoya> moosa, wikipedia is nice
[02:08] <Lattyware> Merry Christmas All
[02:08] <fotoflo> dmesg|what  where what is the command to show one page oat a time instead of flooding my term
[02:09] <fotoflo> ahh
[02:09] <fotoflo> more
[02:09] <kitche> or less
[02:09] <moosa> i wonder if i could run dev-c++ under wine...
[02:10] <hope13> use emacs
[02:10] <hope13> without a mouse
[02:10] <hope13> lol
[02:10] <Tricore> Hello
[02:10] <fotoflo> ok, what the heck am i looking for inside this huge dmesg?
[02:10] <hope13> hi
[02:11] <Lattyware> You know what would be really pointless? Imagine if you rand Windows... Under VMWare... under Wine!
[02:11] <hope13> you have too much time lattyware
[02:11] <hope13> you should try it out
[02:11] <Lattyware> I have too much free brain power
[02:11] <Lattyware> :P
[02:11] <hope13> lol
[02:11] <nolimitsoya> Lattyware, you know what would be realy pointless? imagine if you ran windows... ;)
[02:11] <Lattyware> lol
[02:12] <Lattyware> On a side note,
[02:12] <Lattyware> Does the fact that it takes 6 hours to get 80% through transcoding my music into MP3 show that: a) The Ipod should support OGG b) My CPU is too slow c) I have too much music
[02:12] <Tricore> How do I change my mouse (trackpoint) sensitivity from command line? I've tried using the GNOME configuration thing for this, but I don't want mouse accelleration, just a MUCH higher sensitivity.
[02:12] <hope13> ipod sucks imo lol
[02:12] <nolimitsoya> Lattyware, that ipods are vendor lockin crap :)
[02:12] <Lattyware> Yeah, but there arn't many MP3 players with 80GB of space
[02:12] <hope13> true
[02:12] <nolimitsoya> Lattyware, there are loads
[02:13] <Tricore> What about 3rd party firmware?
[02:13] <nolimitsoya> check out irivier, iaudio and the like
[02:13] <hope13> wait lol
[02:13] <nolimitsoya> *-
[02:13] <nolimitsoya> **-i
[02:13] <hope13> iriver have a 120 gb
[02:13] <nolimitsoya> cant type today >_<
[02:13] <Lattyware> But how much does that cost?
[02:13] <hope13> their old mother
[02:13] <hope13> model
[02:13] <hope13> pretty cheap
[02:13] <hope13> it's old
[02:13] <fotoflo> ok i did a dmsg eth0|grep eth0|more
[02:13] <nolimitsoya> Lattyware, less than an ipod
[02:13] <fotoflo> and there sa lot of crap
[02:13] <Lattyware> Meh, I have it now, so whatever.
[02:13] <fotoflo> but basicly i tthink sometyhings messed up
[02:13] <fotoflo> too many 0's
[02:14] <hope13> my friend partition the ipod nano and got doom and linux on it
[02:14] <hope13> lol
[02:14] <fotoflo> NETDEV WATCHDOG eth0 transmit timed otu
[02:14] <Tricore> Does anyone know how to change mouse sensitivity without using the GNOME application for it ?
[02:14] <Lattyware> I'd snap a nano in half :/
[02:14] <rambo3> otu?
[02:15] <hope13> aout
[02:15] <hope13> out
[02:15] <fotoflo> s/otu/out
[02:15] <fotoflo> maybe i should just reinstall this bitch
[02:15] <rambo3> fotoflo, you might search that frase on google .
[02:16] <Lattyware> I've just realised, I have a Linux PC, an Apple MP3 player, and a Microsoft Keyboard and mouse
[02:16] <Lattyware> interesting
[02:16] <fotoflo> "reinstall this bitch"?
[02:16] <jatt> he
[02:16] <rambo3> fotoflo,  that or NETDEV WATCHDOG eth0 transmit timed out , witch ever helps
[02:17] <FirstStrike> logitech keyboard/mouse for me
[02:17] <FirstStrike> and i have some obscure RCA mp3 player that's not even listed on the RCA website.
[02:17] <Lattyware> heh
[02:17] <Lattyware> I like the M$ keyboard and mouse actually
[02:17] <Lattyware> they work pretty well
[02:17] <Lattyware> and it's not one of these soft keyboards
[02:17] <Lattyware> which I cannot type on
[02:17] <hope13> ms mouse died on me once T_T
[02:18] <Lattyware> I need to feel when I have pressed a key.
[02:18] <hope13> 2nd one is dying too
[02:18] <pucko-> how do I change my grub-config so that "sudo grub-update" wont restore it to the defaults every time?
[02:18] <Lattyware> The only thing is the mouse's scroll wheel click sucks
[02:18] <Lattyware> I now press left&right at once.
[02:18] <Lattyware> which is kinda annoying
[02:18] <needhel1> When watching videos on YouTube, I get no sound. Why?
[02:19] <Lattyware> Newest Flash player?
[02:19] <fotoflo> i think im just gonna reinstall... too many problems
[02:19] <nn> Lattyware: 9 beta
[02:19] <rambo3> pucko-, plave outputs above in example . it will update and add new kernel on bottom
[02:19] <rambo3> plav/place
[02:19] <Lattyware> don't know then
[02:19] <nolimitsoya> fotoflo, a tip, put your /home on a separate partition if you havent already
[02:19] <Lattyware> If you were using an old version, that might be it
[02:19] <pucko-> rambo3: above in what example?
[02:20] <rambo3> ./boot/hrub/menu.lst
[02:20] <needhel1> Lattyware: dont know which version Im using, but theres no "update notification" icon on the panel
[02:20] <kallepersson> Hi there, I've got a problem when I'm trying to install Ubuntu 6.10 on my laptop. When I select "Start or install Ubuntu", the screen goes black except for a blinking _ in the top left, and nothing happens.
[02:20] <rambo3> and hrub is new grub
[02:20] <pucko-> rambo3: oh I see. never mind. thanks.
[02:20] <nn> hrub?
[02:20] <Lattyware> needhel1: ... Didn't you say you had 9 beta?
[02:21] <kallepersson> Anyone got any help for me?
[02:21] <needhel1> Lattyware: didnt say anything about version
[02:21] <mojojojo___> hi! my ubunut slows painfully down from time to time. It's Athlon 1800+ so it's not CPU usage. I installed nvidia drivers so it's not that either
[02:21] <Lattyware> oh, that was someone else... weird
[02:21] <rambo3> vad?
[02:21] <mojojojo___> what might be the cause?
[02:21] <Lattyware> anyway, sorry, I don't know then.
[02:21] <kitche> mojojojo___: top and see what is causing it
[02:21] <needhel1> Lattyware: yes must be:p   How do I check which flashplayer version I use?
[02:21] <nolimitsoya> mojojojo___, use the system monitor to check
[02:21] <mellowtrax> Hi a newbie to ubuntu, I have a simple question someone might be able to answer, I have the live dvd of 6.1 running and my wireless picks up, but when i install, no wireless, what am i doing wrong?
[02:22] <Lattyware> needhel1: Not all that sure, sorry, I'm not that knowledgeable. yet. :P
[02:22] <hc> mellowtrax: any encryption?
[02:22] <rambo3> kallepersson, that sound like HD failiure not  ubuntu one ,, do you have any wirking os on that laptop
[02:22] <mojojojo___> it doesn't show anything unusual. Besides I'm not running many timeconsuming apps besides firefox, I guess
[02:22] <mellowtrax> no none, i'm not getting the network manager, on install
[02:23] <kallepersson> rambo, nope. I had winxp before but when I tried to install ubuntu before (5.1 at that moment)
[02:23] <kallepersson> But it got deleted
[02:23] <mojojojo___> the most consuming app right now is xmms - and it takes ~20% of cpu usage :/... How come its so big? ?
[02:23] <vit> hi all :)
[02:23] <needhel1> When watching videos on YouTube, I get no sound. Why?
[02:24] <vit> can enybody help ?
[02:24] <kallepersson> needhel1: perhaps you need to update your flash player
[02:24] <mojojojo___> needhel1, you have to change firefox config
[02:24] <rambo3> kallepersson, well it sound like maby win is still there and cd is not booting
[02:24] <fotoflo> needhel1: you have to reinstall ubuntu
[02:24] <mojojojo___> anyone?
[02:24] <vit> where to get a firewall for ubuntu ?
[02:24] <hc> mellowtrax: okey. open your terminal, and type sudo apt-get install network-manager
[02:24] <kitche> needhel1: actually your sound is being used by something else probably ESD
[02:24] <rambo3> mbr that is
[02:24] <needhel1> fotoflo: ohh... :O Thank you for your assistance
[02:25] <kallepersson> Well, it shouldn't be since I already reformated the drive before
[02:25] <mojojojo___> vit get iptables
[02:25] <hume> hi... how do I  adjust the size of an existing ntfs-partition with win on it when installing ubuntu?
[02:25] <kallepersson> and its partitioned as well
[02:25] <kitche> vit: ubuntu has one already to make it easy to configure use firestarter
[02:25] <mojojojo___> needhel1,  is it when you play music during web surfing?
[02:25] <needhel1> mojojojo___: which config where in firefox should I look for?
[02:25] <needhel1> kallepersson: I think I have the latest flashplayer... dunno how to check which version I have
[02:25] <mellowtrax> Can Someone tell me why wireless works on the live DVD but not when you install
[02:25] <mojojojo___> needhel1, /etc/firefox/firefoxrc
[02:25] <vit> thanks all !
[02:26] <vit> i'll try
[02:26] <fotoflo> i installed redhat years ago and everything was much smoother
[02:26] <needhel1> kitche: how do I make sure nothing else uses the sound? I dont play any mp3's or similar atm
[02:26] <LinTux> which wireless adaptor will work straight out of the box with Ubuntu?
[02:26] <mojojojo___> needhel1, change to --> from #FIREFOX_DSP="none" to
[02:26] <mojojojo___> FIREFOX_DSP="aoss"
[02:26] <nn> fotoflo: hardware wasnt nearly so complicated
[02:26] <nolimitsoya> fotoflo, you could try out the latest fedora if you think idd suit you better
[02:26] <mojojojo___> needhel1, this helped for me
[02:26] <rambo3> kallepersson, and there is no mbr ? check if ubuntu cd is valid
[02:27] <kallepersson> rambo3: , what is mbr?
[02:27] <nolimitsoya> fotoflo, my guess is youd have the very same problems, plus a trip to dependency hell :)
[02:27] <nn> fotoflo: also, all the hotplug and everything for clueless windows freaks has ruined the *nix experience
[02:27] <mojojojo___> soooo, anyone can tell me why my xmms takes bloody 20% of CPU?
[02:27] <fotoflo> i just have a simple everything-on-board motherboard
[02:27] <kallepersson> Rambo3: a "loader" with the ubuntu logo shows up if i select another screen resolution
[02:27] <LinTux>  which wireless adaptor will work straight out of the box with Ubuntu?
[02:27] <nolimitsoya> fotoflo, those arent simple in the lease
[02:28] <nolimitsoya> *least
[02:28] <kitche> LinTux: there is many
[02:28] <nolimitsoya> LinTux, check the wifi documentation
[02:28] <vit> is there anybody from moldova?
[02:28] <nn> LinTux: i've had good experience with linksys products
[02:28] <LinTux> cheers
[02:29] <fotoflo> everything (actully im only having trouble with my NIC) seemed to work from the live-cd
[02:29] <needhel1> mojojojo___: changed the config, closed down firefox and started it again. No difference - still no sound
[02:29] <nn> fotoflo: what nic?
[02:29] <fotoflo> on board
[02:29] <fotoflo> 100bt
[02:29] <mellowtrax> Fotoflo, me too, wireless works from live but not when i install 6.1
[02:29] <fotoflo> mine is just plain old 100BT
[02:29] <nolimitsoya> mellowtrax, fotoflo, you should file bugreports
[02:29] <mellowtrax> how?
[02:30] <fotoflo> i cant get online
[02:30] <fotoflo> how can i file a bug report
[02:30] <kenshin> I have a problem with CUPS, it locks up my whole system when I try to add a new printer, or when I run lpinfo -v ... can anyone give me a hand with it?
[02:30] <nolimitsoya> fotoflo, you are now ;)
[02:30] <fotoflo> duh
[02:30] <fotoflo> 2 computers
[02:30] <mellowtrax> i'm on via live disk
[02:30] <nolimitsoya> fotoflo, point being...?
[02:30] <mellowtrax> h#ubuntuow do i report a bug?
[02:30] <mojojojo___> needhel1, that as far as I am able to help, sorry
[02:30] <nightfreak> anyone using a vodfone datacard?
[02:30] <nolimitsoya> !bugs | fotoflo mellowtrax
[02:30] <ubotu> fotoflo mellowtrax: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[02:30] <fotoflo> i cant copy any kind of dumps from that computer
[02:31] <nolimitsoya> fotoflo, get a floppy
[02:31] <kitche> or a usb drive
[02:31] <fotoflo> dont have a floppy drive
[02:31] <nn> fotoflo: what's dmesg|grep eth say?
[02:31] <needhel1> mojojojo___: k
[02:31] <mellowtrax> thanks will look into it.
[02:31] <kitche> I use my 512mb usb to transfer stuff between my two computers
[02:31] <nolimitsoya> fotoflo, then burn a disc or use a usb flash drive
[02:31] <fotoflo> nn: about 1000 lines
[02:31] <nn> fotoflo: Oie
[02:31] <nn> fotoflo: duplicates or very different?
[02:32] <fotoflo> i think theyre dups
[02:32] <fotoflo> the main thing i got from it was ETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
[02:32] <nn> fotoflo: on an off attempt, try dmesg|grep eth|head -n 1
[02:32] <nn> root@joseph:/mnt/etc# dmesg|grep eth|head -n 1
[02:32] <nn> [17179600.584000]  eth0: VIA Rhine II at 0x1e500, 00:e0:c5:54:1d:d5, IRQ 11.
[02:32] <nn> root@joseph:/mnt/etc# dmesg|grep eth|head -n 1
[02:32] <nn> [17179600.584000]  eth0: VIA Rhine II at 0x1e500, 00:e0:c5:54:1d:d5, IRQ 11.
[02:32] <nolimitsoya> fotoflo, watchdog is an iptables firewall for kubuntu. start by disbling it
[02:32] <vit> world ... what to do if my screen is 5 mm to the right ... when starts ubuntu - eror on screen resolution ?!!!
[02:33] <nn> acck
[02:33] <barosl> what program is useful for manaing boot services?
[02:33] <nn> nolimitsoya: no, that's a driver issue
[02:33] <fotoflo> why all this on a fresh install just to get ethernet working
[02:33] <nn> nolimitsoya: seems to be a chipset bug
[02:33] <nn> fotoflo: buggy ethernet chipset
[02:33] <b0red> hi. what iso file do i need to download for intel core2 duo which is 64bits and not AMD64iso?
[02:33] <fotoflo> no problems from windows
[02:33] <nolimitsoya> nn, i cant match that to things working in the live environment
[02:34] <nn> nolimitsoya: Different driver maybe being loaded
[02:34] <vit> :'(
[02:34] <nn> nolimitsoya: there's a good possibility it's a tulip or ne2k clone
[02:34] <vit> >:(
[02:34] <nolimitsoya> nn, that might be the case, but id start with the simple and obvious before going exotic...
[02:34] <fotoflo> nn hold on
[02:34] <vit> }:(
[02:34] <nolimitsoya> vit, ?
[02:34] <b0red> hi. what iso file do i need to download for intel core2 duo which is 64bits and not AMD64iso?
[02:35] <vit> please help
[02:35] <nn> nolimitsoya: NETDEV WATCHDOG timeouts are usually buggy chipsets
[02:35] <cableroy> i got problem with getting my nvidia card to do 1600x1200 when i installed ubuntu and ran the nv it did 1600x1200, any suggestions_
[02:35] <cableroy> ?
[02:35] <nolimitsoya> vit, with what? i havent even seen you question, and typing angry smileys wont put people in a helping and friendly mood
[02:35] <vit> what to do if my screen is 5 mm to the right ... when starts ubuntu - eror on screen resolution ?!!!
[02:35] <vit> nn acck
[02:35] <nn> fotoflo: lspci|grep Ethernet should work as well
[02:35] <vit> :|
[02:36] <LinTux> How do I uninstall Samba in Terminal
[02:36] <Linuturk> Merry Christmas
[02:36] <nolimitsoya> vit, reconfigure you xorg for starters
[02:36] <mass> Hello here
[02:36] <nn> vit: See those little knobs on your screen?
[02:36] <nn> vit: probably on the bottom edge
[02:36] <fotoflo> nn: ok so i just booted up again
[02:36] <nn> vit: In some cases, replaced by a set of push-buttons
[02:36] <fotoflo> nn: my NIC addy is 00-00-00-00-00
[02:36] <moosa> did DeagsDoesLinux   play wurm yet?
[02:36] <nn> fotoflo: lspci|grep Ethernet
[02:36] <kitche> b0red: the amd64 is the only instalelr for x86_64 machines
[02:37] <nn> if it's a pci card, lsusb|grep Ethernet if usb, and if it's isa,  i have no idea nowadays :)
[02:37] <fotoflo> Realtek
[02:37] <fotoflo> ehternet card
[02:37] <b0red> kitche, but why does it say for AMD64? i have intel core2 duo which is 64bits too!
[02:37] <fotoflo> err controller (no card)
[02:37] <nn> fotoflo: is there a model #? like rtl8139, etc
[02:37] <silox> Im having probem to mount my external lan drive, cananyone help me?
[02:37] <mass> Are there french here please ?
[02:37] <fotoflo> RTL8319
[02:37] <kitche> b0red: because amd came out with x86_64 first it's just a generic term
[02:38] <nolimitsoya> b0red, intels 64bit desktop is an amd clone
[02:38] <fotoflo> eer 8139
[02:38] <nn> fotoflo: Aha.
[02:38] <fotoflo> exactly
[02:38] <LinTux>  How do I uninstall Samba in Terminal
[02:38] <nolimitsoya> b0red, intels own it64 arch was a great failure :)
[02:38] <nn> fotoflo: There's a few busted drivers for that card
[02:38] <kitche> LinTux: sudo apt-get --purge remove samba
[02:38] <nn> fotoflo: but there are driver workarounds
[02:38] <b0red> nolimitsoya, but core2 is 64bits right?
[02:39] <[^Twen^] > Where do I find vino, and how do I set it up?
[02:39] <nolimitsoya> b0red, yes, the amd kind
[02:39] <b0red> hmm.
[02:39] <fotoflo> ughh
[02:39] <fotoflo> so what do i have to do
[02:40] <mass> I have a problem with mu ubuntu boot, can anyone help me please ?
[02:40] <nn> fotoflo: Hang on a sec
[02:40] <nolimitsoya> !helpme | mass
[02:40] <ubotu> mass: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:40] <nn> fotoflo: lemme look at the driver options in modern kernels
[02:40] <LinTux> Thanks, lots of help, best thing I did was dump Microsoft
[02:40] <mass> ok, first, i'm french, excuse my english
[02:40] <silox> i cant mount a smb share, it youst comes a lot of ??? files in the mount folder... need help :)
[02:41] <mass> when i try toi boot on ubuntu i have this message : can't access to tty :s
[02:41] <fotoflo> hah, i thought there were all these other problems - but this is it!
[02:41] <nn> nolimitsoya: i for some reason suspected it was an old realtek
[02:41] <nolimitsoya> nn, and right you where :)
[02:41] <nn> fotoflo: just a buggy chipset on your card
[02:41] <nn> fotoflo: just trying to see what the driver nowadays is called
[02:41] <fotoflo> k
[02:41] <nolimitsoya> mass, did you install the right fonts?
[02:41] <ken> How many primary partitions can i have?
[02:41] <nn> on a machine somewhere 700 miles from him :)
[02:42] <kitche> ken: 4
[02:42] <nn> Oh yea, anyone seen that 'thing' at wal-mart? It's a kiddy computer running iirc Mitux linux or something like that
[02:42] <ken> What if i have more than 4 primary partitions? What will happen?
[02:42] <Lattyware> ken: You can't
[02:42] <kitche> ken: well you can't have more then 4 primary partitions on a hard drive
[02:43] <b0red> nolimitsoya, what file do i need to download for laptop intel core2 cpu?
[02:43] <mass> nolimitsoya, the right font of ? i begin on linux, yesterday, my ubuntu boot properly, but today i have this message, and i don't install anything yesterday, i don't understand
[02:43] <nn> fotoflo: 8139cp, 8139too, tulip, and a few others, :)
[02:43] <nolimitsoya> b0red, id suggest the 386 image, since it has less issues
[02:43] <ken> kitche: Lattyware: Can i have more than 4 partitions if i have two seperate HDDs? Is it that one HDD can only have 4 and the 4, or is it a total of 4, howmanysoever HDDs you have?
[02:43] <kitche> ken: 4 on each hard drive
[02:43] <b0red> nolimitsoya, this one? ubuntu-6.10-desktop-amd64.iso but it says desktop not laptop
[02:43] <nn> fotoflo: probably 8139too or tulip
[02:43] <nolimitsoya> mass, then id say you did an unclean shutdown and lost something.
[02:43] <fotoflo> whats that? the busted realtek chipsets?
[02:43] <vit> nolimitsoya: where to find ?
[02:43] <nolimitsoya> b0red, nope, the -desktop-386
[02:44] <nolimitsoya> vit, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:44] <vit> i could not fint this
[02:44] <ken> kitche: So if i have two HDDs i can have 8 primary partitions safely, right?
[02:44] <kitche> ken: yes
[02:44] <ken> kitche: Thank you, have a nice day.
[02:44] <b0red> nolimitsoya, but where does it say 64bit in ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso ?
[02:44] <mass> nolimitsoya, ok, and how can i know what i have lost ?
[02:44] <nolimitsoya> ken, you can always use logical partitions if you want more
[02:44] <ken> Happy UBUNT-ing to everyone
[02:45] <nolimitsoya> b0red, it doesnt. thats what i just sayd
[02:45] <nolimitsoya> mass, i have no clue :)
[02:45] <ken> nolimitsoya: But if i have two HDDs i can have 8 primary partitions safely, so than theres no need for any logical-partitioning
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[02:45] <kitche> b0red: you want x86_64 then get the amd64.iso but there is a lot of problems with x86_64 in Linux right now software wise
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[02:45] <kitche> !ops
[02:45] <b0red> nolimitsoya, huh? but i have core2 64bits.. i wanna make use of 64bits ubuntu :S
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[02:45] <nolimitsoya> !ops
[02:45] <b0red> .hmm.
[02:45] <nolimitsoya> mass, you could get the alternate cd and do a repair install
[02:46] <mass> nolimitsoya, arf lol, i have this another message : can't mount filesystem /sbin/init
[02:46] <elysium444> How to install wine in ubuntu 6.10 AMD64???
[02:46] <Hobbsee> nalioth: rob kline n=rgrre@85.103.76.233 please
[02:46] <kitche> b0red: do you watch Youtube alot?
[02:46] <nolimitsoya> mass, do the repair
[02:46] <b0red> no
[02:46] <vit> permission denied
[02:46] <ken> Good bye
[02:46] <mass> nolimitsoya, ok i will try, i do the repair on booting on a live cd ?
[02:46] <nolimitsoya> b0red, then get the amd64, but be aware that there are issues and not many packages
[02:46] <fotoflo> nn?
[02:46] <vit> nolimitsoya: permission denied
[02:46] <nolimitsoya> mass, no i said get the alternate
[02:47] <elysium444> How to install wine in ubuntu 6.10 AMD64???
[02:47] <nn> fotoflo: yea?
[02:47] <nolimitsoya> vit, do 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[02:47] <nolimitsoya> elysium444, sudo apt-get install wine
[02:47] <vit>  what is that ?
[02:47] <nolimitsoya> vit, a line to cut and paste into a terminal
[02:47] <b0red> nolimitsoya, but there are alot of packages for 32bits no? i'd still be able to run 32bits apps on 64bits..
[02:47] <elysium444> nolimitsoya: I cant do that on ubuntu amd64
[02:47] <jengc0il> hi nolimitsoya
[02:47] <nolimitsoya> b0red, not without some headache
[02:48] <vit> thanks !
[02:48] <kitche> b0red: you will have to have a multilib system which can be a pain
[02:48] <nolimitsoya> elysium444, realy? thats sad...
[02:48] <elysium444> yes
[02:48] <fotoflo> nn: you said you were going to look up a workaround?
[02:48] <needhel1> While trying to install a Windows PC-game (using wine), installing from CD1 works fine, but when it asks for CD2 and I switch to CD2, the installer doesnt seems to detect that I changed discs. How can I install this game without leaving ubuntu ?
[02:48] <JAnYou> Has anyone ever installed ns-2 under Ubuntu-2.6.20 sucessfully? I am trying to install ns-2, but I fail.
[02:48] <mass> nolimitsoya, hum sorry, i don't understand, the alternate ? :o
[02:48] <nolimitsoya> elysium444, then buidl from source
[02:48] <b0red> kitche, ok so i install 32bit ubuntu and not 64? tis better?
[02:48] <nolimitsoya> !alternate | mass
[02:48] <ubotu> mass: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[02:48] <elysium444> nolimitsoya: I tried to build from source but I got errors
[02:48] <rysiek|pl> guys, anybody uses a GSM Bluetooth phone manager worth recommending?
[02:49] <nolimitsoya> elysium444, what errors?
[02:49] <nn> fotoflo: yea, 8139too or tulip driver is proper driver
[02:49] <kitche> b0red: yes right now it is since x86_64 doesn't really have a lot of software anyways
[02:49] <nn> nolimitsoya: is there a /proc entry showing what driver is loaded for say 'eth0'?
[02:49] <b0red> kitche, so same talk applies for AMD..
[02:49] <mass> nolimitsoya, ubotu, ok i ty to do an upgrade since a live cd ?
[02:49] <nolimitsoya> nn, should be. i havent a clue as the where though :)
[02:49] <elysium444> this is the end of the log
[02:49] <elysium444> region.o     version.res   -o gdi32.dll.so  -ladvapi32 -lkernel32 -lntdll  /usr/lib/libsicuuc.a /usr/lib/libsicudata.a -lstdc++ -lgcc_s  ../../libs/port/libwine_port.a
[02:49] <elysium444> /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/libsicuuc.a(ubidi.ao): relocation R_X86_64_32S against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[02:49] <elysium444> /usr/lib/libsicuuc.a: could not read symbols: Bad value
[02:49] <elysium444> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[02:49] <elysium444> winegcc: x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc failed.
[02:49] <elysium444> make[3] : *** [gdi32.dll.so]  Error 2
[02:50] <elysium444> make[3] : Leaving directory `/home/elysium444/wine-0.9.28~winehq0~ubuntu~6.10/dlls/gdi32'
[02:50] <elysium444> make[2] : *** [gdi32]  Error 2
[02:50] <elysium444> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/elysium444/wine-0.9.28~winehq0~ubuntu~6.10/dlls'
[02:50] <nn> nolimitsoya: heh i've not touched linux until recently for over 2 years
[02:50] <elysium444> make[1] : *** [dlls]  Error 2
[02:50] <elysium444> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/elysium444/wine-0.9.28~winehq0~ubuntu~6.10'
[02:50] <nolimitsoya> mass, ubotu is a bot. get the alternate, and choose the rescue option during boot
[02:50] <kitche> b0red: people tend to like i386 anyways right now in Linux
[02:50] <fotoflo> nn: and how do i install that?
[02:50] <nolimitsoya> nn, i just began last year :)
[02:50] <Hobbsee> !paste > elysium444
[02:50] <Hobbsee> !paste > elysium444
[02:50] <Hobbsee> !paste | elysium444
[02:50] <ubotu> elysium444: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:50] <elysium444> any I diea
[02:50] <nn> fotoflo: should already be on there, just trying to see how to see what driver is currently loaded for your card
[02:51] <Hobbsee> elysium444: please dont paste in here.
[02:51] <elysium444> sorry
[02:51] <elysium444> i didnt know
[02:51] <mass> nolimitsoya, lol ok thanks, i will try ! if i found :p
[02:51] <elysium444> I dont use chat a lot
[02:51] <nn> fotoflo: it's been at least 2 years since i really used linux, was running FreeBSD for several years
[02:51] <Hobbsee> elysium444: OK.  type /topic, and hit enter, then you can read the topic for the room
[02:51] <nolimitsoya> mass, its on the website, same place as the desktop image
[02:52] <fotoflo> nn: its been about 9 for me :-(
[02:52] <ken> I want to mount a 5GB FAT32 partition (which is for sharing data b/w win-linux), what should be a prospective mount point?
[02:52] <mass> nolimitsoya, ok i go on the website
[02:52] <fotoflo> I had redhat running on my 486dx2-66
[02:52] <nolimitsoya> ken, any empty dir you want
[02:52] <kitche> ken: /media/share perhaps
[02:53] <fotoflo> when i was a 15 year old kid living in my moms basement
[02:53] <nolimitsoya> ken, i suggest making a symlink in your home for easy access
[02:53] <ken> nolimitsoya: kitche /media/share, thats good!
[02:53] <needhel1> While trying to install a Windows PC-game (using wine), installing from CD1 works fine, but when it asks for CD2 and I switch to CD2, the installer doesnt seems to detect that I changed discs. How can I install this game without leaving ubuntu ?
[02:53] <kitche> ken: I try to name mounts for what they are for it's easier to remember
[02:54] <b0red> kitche, im disappointed about ubuntu and 64bits
[02:54] <b0red> kitche, seems a lack of 64bits support
[02:54] <kitche> b0red: it's like that even for windows
[02:54] <nolimitsoya> b0red, get on the packaging team and start compiling packages then :)
[02:54] <ken> nolimitsoya: If i get to using ubuntu comfortably, and learn navigating the complexities of linux, than i will come and ask you of how to set up a symlink/samba/whatever. Right now i am plain old pissed off, due to the number of new things i have to learn to simply make a OS function :(
[02:54] <kitche> b0red: Windows doesn't even have true x86_64 bit support
[02:55] <nolimitsoya> ken, symlinks can be made with -ls -s
[02:55] <nn> fotoflo: hang on, still looking at driver choices for that card :)
[02:55] <b0red> kitche, windows vista will have it no
[02:55] <nn> fotoflo: there's several drivers covering that chipset and it's various busted clones
[02:55] <ken> nolimitsoya: OK you mean 'shortcuts'?
[02:55] <nolimitsoya> ken, making one in each users home will make accessing the share cery easy :)
[02:55] <nolimitsoya> ken, sort of, yes
[02:55] <kitche> b0red: the kernel will be x86_64 but the software probably won't be
[02:55] <theblue> ken: When you started using Windows, you probably felt the same way you do now.
[02:56] <kitche> ken: it's ln -s not ls -s
[02:56] <nolimitsoya> oops... silly me :/
[02:56] <ken> nolimitsoya: Thank you and have a nice day (how many-'TH' time am i saying that to you today?)
[02:56] <b0red> kitche, but you can always run 32bits app on 64bit cpu.. it's just an advantage you have this additional 64bits support option... so i dont see any problems..
[02:56] <mass> nolimitsoya, the recovery mode give me same message :s
[02:56] <ken> kitche: Help muchy appreciated
[02:56] <fotoflo> nn:chillin, checking out synaptic
[02:56] <ken> theblue: theres no need for me to pass through that experience again
[02:56] <nolimitsoya> mass, the recovery option from the cd boot, not the harddisk boot
[02:56] <ken> but other than that HAPPY UBUNT-ing
[02:56] <nolimitsoya> ken, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symlink
[02:57] <vit> nolimitsoya, I configured my gforce 2 mx 400 .... but it asks for keyboarfd ... how to cancel ?
[02:57] <kitche> b0red: yes but with Linux you have to install x86 libs to make the x86 programs to run which will make your system double in size
[02:57] <theblue> "happy ubunt-ing"?
[02:57] <nolimitsoya> vit, just go through that bit too
[02:57] <vit> okdoki
[02:58] <obstfliege> I have problems with my consoles (STRG+ALT+F*). I just see colorful stripes. i guess it is because of my ATI Mobility radeon X700. do you know how i can fix it?
[02:58] <nn> fotoflo: it's 8139too, rtl8139, or ne2k-pci seem to be the choices on 2.6.x for that card
[02:58] <mass> nolimitsoya, ah ok sorry, i try again
[02:58] <afief> I have given Network Manager a WEP key to connect to my network, apparently the key was wrong and i am not asked for a new one. how can i fix that?
[02:58] <elysium444> nolimitsoya:somebody did do a package for the amd64 wine here is the link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297280&highlight=wine+amd64
[02:58] <POVaddct> obstfliege: are you using the closed source ati driver (fglrx)?
[02:58] <fotoflo> nn: ok, and where do i find/how do i install these things?
[02:59] <fotoflo> if i have no network
[02:59] <needhel1> While trying to install a Windows PC-game (using wine), installing from CD1 works fine, but when it asks for CD2 and I switch to CD2, the installer doesnt seems to detect that I changed discs. How can I install this game without leaving ubuntu ?
[02:59] <obstfliege> POVaddct: yes fglrx
[02:59] <POVaddct> obstfliege: and what type of text console do you use? 80x25 vga or any type of framebuffer?
[03:00] <nn> fotoflo: they come with the kernel modules already installed
[03:00] <fotoflo> how do i switch them on?
[03:00] <nn> fotoflo: i've forgotten, however, how to check what module an ethernet device is using ;\
[03:00] <obstfliege> POVaddct: where can i see that? i dont know
[03:00] <vit> nolimitsoya, how to go back ?
[03:00] <POVaddct> obstfliege: cat /proc/fb
[03:00] <nolimitsoya> vit, from where?
[03:01] <vit> from configuring
[03:01] <afief> how do you remove a WEP key that Network Manager saves?
[03:01] <nolimitsoya> vit, it exits when you are through
[03:01] <vit> ... ok ...
[03:01] <obstfliege> POVaddct: the file is empty
[03:01] <POVaddct> obstfliege: then you have 80x25 vga
[03:02] <obstfliege> POVaddct: ok
[03:02] <POVaddct> obstfliege: are you familiar with putting kernel boot parameter in the grub config file?
[03:02] <obstfliege> POVaddct: no i am very new to linux. i am working for a month on it as desktop system
[03:02] <vit> nolimitsoya , :( no change
[03:03] <nolimitsoya> vit, did you reboot?
[03:03] <POVaddct> obstfliege: do you mind taking this to a separate channel? dann koennen wir deutsch reden
[03:03] <vit> min
[03:03] <obstfliege> POVaddct: nice
[03:03] <afief> How do you remove a WEP key that Network Manager saves?
[03:03] <POVaddct> obstfliege: /join #povhelps
[03:03] <fotoflo> nn: maybe i should just go to the market and buy a new NIC?
[03:04] <rapha> Hi all!
[03:04] <theblue> Where would I go to make a suggestion for Ubuntu
[03:04] <theblue> ?
[03:04] <nn> fotoflo: that's one solution to it :P
[03:04] <rapha> What's a good Weblog for inexperienced users?
[03:04] <theblue> rapha: to create one or to read one?
[03:04] <rapha> (i.e., Wordpress, Movable Type, ...?)
[03:04] <nn> fotoflo: but im sure there's a way to see which module owns a device, i just cant remember it
[03:04] <fotoflo> nn: when i do that, will ubuntu recoginize the new card automaticly?
[03:04] <nn> fotoflo: yea, via hotplug
[03:04] <rapha> To create posts theblue. It's for my cousin, I won't have problems setting it up but it has to be easy to do posts, especially picture posts.
[03:05] <theblue> rapha: I've tried wordpress, but if you're really a new user, Blogger?
[03:05] <rapha> theblue: Nah, we want it on my server.
[03:05] <DarKray> Bonjour
[03:05] <rapha> theblue: The killer feature would be "easy image uploads"
[03:05] <nn> hmm i need to be able to photoblog from my phone too
[03:06] <rapha> theblue: or how does it work with Wordpress if that's what you're using?
 fotoflo: but im sure there's a way to see which module owns a device, i just cant remember it
[03:06] <fotoflo> anyone here know?
[03:06] <LinTux> How do I instal Ndiswrapper in terminal
[03:06] <vit> no changes
[03:07] <vit> :|
[03:08] <theblue> rapha: I really haven't used Wordpress much at all, honestly.
[03:08] <nn> fotoflo: im still poking around, in fbsd you could tell by the device name (no eth0 there)
[03:09] <[^Twen^] > does anyone know which port vino is using?
[03:10] <needhel1> Need help installing a Windows game! While trying to install a Windows PC-game (using wine), installing from CD1 works fine, but when it asks for CD2 and I switch to CD2, the installer doesnt seems to detect that I changed discs. How can I install this game without leaving ubuntu ?
[03:11] <afief> How do you define how long a wireless driver will wait before it times out?
[03:11] <mass> nolimitsoya, sorry, i don't find the rescue option, i try with a dapper install cd and an edgy live cd :sok
[03:12] <nolimitsoya> mass, no live cd. get the alternate edgy cd
[03:14] <nolimitsoya> mass, http://ftp.u-picardie.fr/mirror/ubuntu/releases/edgy/ubuntu-6.10-alternate-i386.iso
[03:15] <kpel> hello
[03:15] <mass> nolimitsoya, thanks, i download it !
[03:16] <wkerzend> emun: there?
[03:16] <nolimitsoya> mass, you are from france, right?
[03:16] <mass> nolimitsoya, yes
[03:16] <angelus> !list
[03:16] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:16] <nolimitsoya> good.i just wanted to make sure i gave you the right link
[03:16] <haxality> hey
[03:16] <mass> yes i have a good download rate :)
[03:17] <nolimitsoya> *844 'hi' floods the channel*
[03:17] <haxality> I understand that it's christmas and all, but does anyone know how to get a USB hard drive to mount automagically when it's plugged in?
[03:17] <nolimitsoya> haxality, it should do that automaticaly
[03:17] <haxality> (using fluxbox)
[03:17] <nolimitsoya> haxality, check /media
[03:17] <haxality> I can only get it to automount when I run nautilus from the command line
[03:17] <mass> nolimitsoya, this cd is a special cd with repair mode ? i installed my edgy with the live cd directly
[03:17] <haxality> oh!
[03:17] <haxality> there it is!
[03:17] <haxality> haha
[03:18] <haxality> it was waiting for you to say something, nolimitsoya
[03:18] <nolimitsoya> mass, yes its a special cd
[03:18] <rapha> theblue: nm then, I'll just install it and see how it goes :)
[03:18] <nolimitsoya> haxality, how is that?
[03:18] <mass> ok
[03:18] <haxality> joking :)
[03:18] <nolimitsoya> haxality, do i know you?
[03:18] <totall_6_7> Merry Christmas!!
[03:18] <haxality> no, was just trying to be grateful/kind
[03:18] <haxality> won't let it happen again :P
[03:18] <nolimitsoya> :P
[03:19] <nolimitsoya> sorry, i got you wrong :)
[03:19] <haxality> heh
[03:19] <haxality> its ok
[03:19] <fotoflo> how do i change my subnet mask?
[03:19] <nolimitsoya> thought you ment you recogniced me, and i didnt so i asked
[03:19] <nolimitsoya> :)
[03:19] <haxality> ahhh ok
[03:19] <haxality> haha
[03:19] <haxality> well, cheers
[03:19] <muzik> hey peeps, ok i installed windows, then ubuntu, only problem is, bios doesnt detect grub, when i put the win cd back in and select boot from hdd, the bootloader comes up. so in short, how can i set the MBR to the boot partition in my installation
[03:19] <nolimitsoya> !grub | muzik
[03:19] <ubotu> muzik: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:20] <theblue> rapha: Best of luck to you.
[03:20] <mass> nolimitsoya, i see on forum that this problem can be a conflict between ext3 and minix(?) type file, if try their solution, but don't works for me :s
[03:20] <cableroy> How can i set modes for screen with nvidia? i don't get the resolution i want
[03:21] <nolimitsoya> cableroy, xorg.conf
[03:21] <nolimitsoya> same way as any other graphics driver
[03:21] <cableroy> nolimitsoya: yes, but that does not work
[03:21] <nolimitsoya> cableroy, then your drivers probably arent loading correctly
[03:21] <JAnYou> [help] When I install package tcl8.4 through synaptic manager, it usally doesn't install the source files? How can I configure synaptic so it can also install the source files as well as the binary files?
[03:22] <vit> nolimitsoya, no changes
[03:22] <kitche> JAnYou: just install the -dev packages also
[03:23] <nolimitsoya> JAnYou, you can also use the 'apt-get source' command to get the source package
[03:23] <needhel1> Need help installing a Windows game! While trying to install a Windows PC-game (using wine), installing from CD1 works fine, but when it asks for CD2 and I switch to CD2, the installer doesnt seems to detect that I changed discs. How can I install this game without leaving ubuntu ?
[03:23] <haxality> ok. I know I just claimed that it was working, but it disappeared after I suspend/resumed my computer
[03:23] <vit> what to do to make myself a good linuxoid 8|
[03:24] <haxality> vit: read everything you can possibly find about it
[03:24] <nolimitsoya> vit, tatoo tux on your forehead
[03:24] <vit> :D
[03:24] <vit> ))
[03:24] <odnigman> hi
[03:24] <matteo> huhuu
[03:24] <nolimitsoya> !hi | odnigman
[03:24] <ubotu> odnigman: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[03:24] <dana> hi all
[03:24] <odnigman> tnks
[03:24] <dana> need help, i need more repos
[03:24] <odnigman> my firt time
[03:24] <matteo> mount /dev/sda1    why wrong
[03:24] <nolimitsoya> !easysource | dana
[03:24] <ubotu> dana: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:25] <nolimitsoya> matteo, you need a mountpoint and a filesystem type
[03:25] <nolimitsoya> matteo, read up in 'man mount'
[03:25] <cableroy> nolimitsoya: i can't see any error in my log, but Not useing mode "1600x1200" (no mode of this name) and Validated modes for display device DFP-0
[03:25] <matteo> but i's an Usb key
[03:25] <POVaddct> matteo: or just the mountpoint, but then it has to be an fstab entry
[03:26] <nolimitsoya> matteo, and why would that matter?
[03:26] <vit> why there isn't any wizzards in ubuntu ?
[03:26] <matteo> I havent got automounter
[03:26] <nolimitsoya> vit, there are loads
[03:26] <JAnYou> Thx kitche, nolimitsoya for your reply.
[03:26] <matteo> whit
[03:26] <vit> loads ?
[03:26] <nolimitsoya> vit, very many :)
[03:26] <vit> where ?
[03:27] <odnigman> i need help for program install
[03:27] <matteo> fuxbox dextop
[03:27] <nolimitsoya> vit, all over. what are you looking for?
[03:27] <fotoflo> hey nn, if you find anything /msg me, ok?
[03:27] <vit> how to install sth
[03:27] <matteo> how can I mount an USB key
[03:27] <matteo> ????
[03:27] <nolimitsoya> matteo, to mount, just insert and navigate /media. to mount manualy, you need mountpoint and filesystem type
[03:27] <vit> where to get progs for staff from xp
[03:27] <haxality> nolimitsoya: do you have any idea why the drive wouldn't be mounting automatically?
[03:27] <nolimitsoya> haxality, nope
[03:28] <haxality> ok
[03:28] <vit> i know well xp but linux is strange to me
[03:28] <haxality> just wanted to see if it was a common problem or something, heh
[03:28] <nolimitsoya> haxality, perhaps it shut down when you suspended
[03:28] <obstfliege> POVaddct: DANKE! es geht!
[03:28] <POVaddct> matteo: sudo mount -o umask=000 /dev/sda1 /mnt
[03:28] <POVaddct> obstfliege: cool
[03:28] <haxality> it's on now, though
[03:28] <crowley1027> I have a lexar drive, and apparently it is a read-only drive.
[03:28] <crowley1027> how do i change that
[03:28] <nolimitsoya> haxality, try restarting it. or make an fstab entry...
[03:28] <haxality> ok
[03:28] <haxality> thanks for the help
[03:29] <matteo> but in /media there isnt any USB key
[03:29] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, chmod/chroot, mount rw, and all the rest...
[03:29] <crowley1027> i don't know "all the rest"
[03:29] <nolimitsoya> *chown
[03:29] <nolimitsoya> not chroot...
[03:29] <vit> well ... i'm going in windows  :T
[03:29] <cableroy> argh damn nvidia driver
[03:29] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, 'till you figure out whats wrong, there cant be any straight awnsers :)
[03:29] <crowley1027> can you walk me thru this?  M$ Guru, linux noob.
[03:29] <odnigman> you know a bluesnarfer?
[03:29] <cableroy> where can i find howto for setting up the xorg.conf with nvidia? the mode lines and everything
[03:30] <crowley1027> fresh switch
[03:30] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: what should i do first?
[03:30] <dana> nolimitsoya i still cannot install mplayer
[03:30] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, what sort of device is it?
[03:30] <crowley1027> lexar USB flash drive
[03:30] <vit> thanks ... by all
[03:30] <angelus> !list
[03:30] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:30] <nolimitsoya> dana, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mplayer
[03:30] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, chmod the mountpoint
[03:31] <odnigman> i cannot install bluesnarfer.. you know?
[03:31] <crowley1027> how do i do that
[03:31] <rebecca> lol @ vit
[03:31] <dana> nolimitsoya mplayer is not available in my repo
[03:31] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: how do i do that?
[03:31] <matteo> please whit KDE automuonter run but in fluxbox not
[03:31] <matteo> why?????
[03:31] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, chmod 777 /<path>
[03:31] <crowley1027> whats the path to it?  :'(
[03:31] <nolimitsoya> dana, its in universe
[03:31] <POVaddct> nolimitsoya: i think mplayer is in multiverse
[03:31] <matteo> I'm new
[03:31] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, /media/<something>, most likely
[03:32] <nolimitsoya> POVaddct, whats proprietary about it?
[03:32] <nolimitsoya> !mplayer
[03:32] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[03:32] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[03:32] <POVaddct> nolimitsoya: there are some license issues
[03:32] <nolimitsoya> hm... youre right POVaddct... why is it in there?
[03:32] <nolimitsoya> ok
[03:32] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: chmod: changing permissions of '/media/LEXAR': Read-only file system
[03:32] <POVaddct> nolimitsoya: not with mplayer itself but with some codecs that are built-it
[03:32] <nolimitsoya> POVaddct, aha
[03:32] <matteo> why in KDE automounter run but in flubox not someone can help me????
[03:33] <matteo> *fluxbox
[03:33] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, umount first. reformat it if its some strange arcane filesystem
[03:33] <crowley1027> how do i unmount?
[03:33] <dana> nolimitsoya could you not copy paste my your source.list ?
[03:33] <POVaddct> nolimitsoya: the mplayer authors dont care about that but debian/ubuntu developers are very picky about licenses
[03:33] <nolimitsoya> dana, yes just wait a moment :)
[03:33] <dana> ok
[03:33] <nn> crowley1027: umount /dev/whatever or umount /mountpoint
[03:34] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, 'sudo umount /<path>'
[03:34] <raghu206> when i click on link having mms protocol totem opens to play but says cannot play :((
[03:34] <pucko-> matteo: I'm not sure kde use automount, I think it handles it on it's own.
[03:34] <crowley1027> sudo unmount /media/LEXAR
[03:34] <crowley1027> oops
[03:34] <crowley1027> haha
[03:34] <POVaddct> matteo: i already told you: sudo mount -o umask=000 /dev/sda1 /mnt
[03:34] <crowley1027> sudo: unmount: command not found
[03:34] <crowley1027> ok
[03:34] <POVaddct> it is umount, not unmount
[03:34] <crowley1027> now
[03:34] <crowley1027> now what
[03:35] <fotoflo> i am running a realtek 8139 NIC and apprently there are driver issues with this card in ubuntu - how do i see which driver i have loaded and then change to a diffrent driver?
[03:35] <dana> how can i config my system ?
[03:35] <POVaddct> fotoflo: lsmod | grep 8139
[03:35] <dana> nautilus and all other packager running on my system ?
[03:35] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountlinux
[03:35] <nolimitsoya> dana, http://pastebin.com/844662
[03:36] <haxality> ok, one FINAL FINAL question. how can I check which /dev/ device my hard drive is under?
[03:36] <nolimitsoya> haxality, fdisk -l
[03:36] <haxality> thank you
[03:36] <nolimitsoya> haxality, gparted can also help you out, if you prefer gui
[03:36] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: i'm confused
[03:37] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, how so?
[03:37] <fotoflo> POV gives me 3 things
[03:37] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, unmount the drive, and chmod it with 777
[03:37] <POVaddct> fotoflo: can you pastebin them?
[03:37] <nolimitsoya> the mount dir, that is...
[03:37] <fotoflo> no
[03:37] <fotoflo> i can type them in
[03:37] <nolimitsoya> !paste | fotoflo
[03:37] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: can you please help me thru this?  I'm very confused.  I unmounted it, then what
[03:37] <ubotu> fotoflo: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:37] <pucko-> fotoflo: lsmod|grep 8139 (think there only are two drivers for that one, 8139cp and 8139too)
[03:37] <POVaddct> fotoflo: do you see 8139too and 8139cp?
[03:37] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, 'sudo chmod 777 /<path>'
[03:38] <fotoflo> they are there
[03:38] <crowley1027> ok
[03:38] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: done
[03:38] <wkerzend> my ubuntu dapper is having troubles: it doesnt boot, with grub error 15, there are several instructions on the internet but all of them require me to get access to the boot partition: I have a edgy disc does this have a rescue kernel
[03:38] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, mount and try it out again
[03:38] <fotoflo> and theres a number 24832 and 29056 followed by 0 on both lines
[03:38] <fotoflo> and then there is mii
[03:38] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: how do i mount?
[03:38] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, normaly, they should be accessible without this hassle...
[03:38] <POVaddct> pucko-: i have seen ubuntu loading both drivers in an older notebook. it seemed that the 8139too driver won.
[03:39] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, 'sudo mount -t <filesystem> /dev/<device> /<path>
[03:39] <fotoflo> mii says   mii 6912 2 8139cp 8139too
[03:39] <crowley1027> filesystem?
[03:39] <dana> nolimitsoya what the name of the package that allows me to edit my click right menu so i can have the (delete) option in it ?
[03:39] <POVaddct> fotoflo: so ubuntu loaded both drivers there. not so good.
[03:39] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, yes, youll need to know the filesystem type of the device. most likely vfat
[03:39] <relachs> i need help with the first lvl in zelda
[03:39] <POVaddct> fotoflo: what kind of network problem do you have with the card?
[03:39] <fotoflo> pov: so i need to unload one
[03:40] <nolimitsoya> dana, i have no idea. i dont use gnome. shouldnt that be in the nautilus configurations?
[03:40] <haxality> ok, I lied. gparted is telling me it can't read my hard drive and says something about a plugin
[03:40] <haxality> it's formatted as FAT32, could that cause a problem?
[03:40] <fotoflo> pov: it thinks the MAC is 0, and when i manually change the mac, i still cant get a dhcp
[03:40] <nolimitsoya> haxality, it shouldnt
[03:40] <haxality> ok. hmm.
[03:41] <dana> nolimitsoya sounds like :)
[03:41] <fotoflo> should i unload one of those driverS? maybe two drivers causes a conflict?
[03:41] <POVaddct> fotoflo: what type of computer is that? in my barebone, i had to give kernel boot parameter "noapic" to get the 8139 working.
[03:41] <crowley1027> sudo mount -t vfat /media/LEXAR
[03:41] <cmweb> I started my computer with the live cd, went into safe graphics mode and for some reason it hangs at power managment and then displays a message saying  "Uncompressing Linux.....Ok, Booting the kernel" Thats where it is right now any one got any ideas as to why it did that so i can try and fix
[03:41] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: sudo mount -t vfat /media/LEXAR
[03:41] <fotoflo> its a barebone
[03:41] <mass> nolimitsoya, it s me with my boot problem, i have this message : 'target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/int' when i try to boot, and when i see i this dir with a live cd, i don't find the file 'init', what is this file ? (the download is at 92% :) )
[03:41] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, you forgot the device path
[03:41] <mass> nolimitsoya, (/sbin/init )
[03:41] <fotoflo> whats that mean? noapic?
[03:41] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: how should i write it
[03:42] <nolimitsoya> !init | mass
[03:42] <ubotu> mass: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[03:42] <raghu206> cmweb, try booting with acpi=off
[03:42] <pucko-> I just resized my swap-partition and now ubuntu suddenly wont mount swap. 'swapon -a' says "cannot stat /dev/disk/by-uuid/<lots of numbers>". how do I change it to the correct uuid number?
[03:42] <cmweb> raghu206: where is that setting
[03:42] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, something like 'sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/usbdrive' (make sure the dir exists
[03:42] <raghu206> in the list u have f6 as other options
[03:43] <raghu206> go to that and type at the end acpi=off
[03:43] <bitmvnch> anyone here using an intel macintosh? i had Edgy going the other day, but then installed Boot Camp in hopes that it would configure the BIOS extensions needed for video acceleration on EFI machines in GNU/Linux, and now the partitioner portion of edgy install fails to run, even though the partition tool will run out of system menu or somesuch during install. :/
[03:43] <mass> nolimitsoya, thanks, i look this
[03:43] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: done
[03:43] <bitmvnch> if anyone had a hint that might help, i'd be indebted.
[03:43] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, and is it now writable?
[03:43] <crowley1027> i think.
[03:43] <crowley1027> what is the command to delete files?
[03:43] <crowley1027> in terminal
[03:43] <raghu206> cmweb, in the list u have f6 as other options
[03:43] <POVaddct> fotoflo: noapic turns off the advanced programmable interrupt controller (apic)
[03:44] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, rm or rmdir
[03:44] <fotoflo> POV: whats that mean? noapic?
[03:44] <raghu206> cmeme, go to that and type at the end acpi=off
[03:44] <crowley1027> i want to delete everything
[03:44] <fotoflo> oh
[03:44] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, then rm -rf *
[03:44] <bitmvnch> crowley1027: man rm
[03:44] <POVaddct> fotoflo: in my case, this did help. it was not a driver issue.
[03:44] <fotoflo> how do i boot without it?
[03:44] <fotoflo> its an IRQ misconfig?
[03:44] <POVaddct> fotoflo: you have to modify the grub config
[03:45] <POVaddct> fotoflo: adding noapic as kernel parameter
[03:45] <crowley1027> i don't have the permission to delete the files
[03:45] <crowley1027> rm
[03:45] <fotoflo> no idea how to do that
[03:45] <POVaddct> fotoflo: and if noapic doesnt help, you might rename the module 8139cp.ko to 8139cp.ko.GONE
[03:45] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, then do the chmod with -R on the mounted drive, or just reformat it
[03:45] <crowley1027> ??
[03:46] <nn> fotoflo: now you believe me that 8139 chipset is broken? :)
[03:46] <crowley1027> can i delete it via the file browser???
[03:46] <fotoflo> nn: i beleive you that there arent suitable drivers for it
[03:46] <fotoflo> but it works fine in XP, so i woudlnt call it broken - just poorly supported
[03:46] <nn> fotoflo: its not that, the chipset is just crappy
[03:47] <nn> fotoflo: No.. windows just works around the bugs, as the drivers for linux try to
[03:47] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: how do i delete it via File Browser
[03:47] <fotoflo> ok so how do i do this noapic?
[03:47] <mkaster> Help please, I have a dwl-g120 usb wireless card. I am using xubuntu. I don't know how to connect to my wireless router using my wireless card, can you help me?
[03:47] <fotoflo> i did grub config
[03:48] <Kirtap> I run edgy server and trying to use make manuconfig but I get error msg saying I need ncurses. I have installed all i386 packages listed here but still doesn't work: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ncurses&searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=all
[03:48] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: how do i delete the files via File Browser
[03:48] <POVaddct> fotoflo: what do you mean by "you did grub config"?
[03:48] <Kirtap> oops "menuconfig"
[03:48] <fotoflo> i ran grub config from the termanl
[03:49] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, you dont, unless you run the filemanager as su
[03:49] <POVaddct> fotoflo: i didnt say to run grub config
[03:49] <needhel1> Anyone familar with running Windows games under ubuntu ?
[03:49] <POVaddct> fotoflo: i was talking about editing the grub config file
[03:49] <fotoflo> where are they?
[03:49] <nolimitsoya> fotoflo, /boot/grub
[03:49] <fotoflo> (thanks for your help btw)
[03:49] <POVaddct> fotoflo: /boot/grub/menu.lsg
[03:49] <POVaddct> fotoflo: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:50] <POVaddct> fotoflo: you find the boot section at the end of the file. dont mess it up or your system wont boot anymore
[03:51] <POVaddct> nn: and you are right, realtek makes crappy chipsets
[03:51] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: READ ONLY FILE SYSTEM!?!?!?!
[03:51] <crowley1027> Its making me angry
[03:51] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, what filesystem is it?
[03:51] <POVaddct> crowley1027: no need to shout
[03:51] <fotoflo> after "end default options" ?
[03:52] <POVaddct> fotoflo: yes
[03:52] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: how do i find out
[03:52] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, fire up gparted
[03:52] <fotoflo> add the line "no apic" ?
[03:52] <POVaddct> fotoflo: no
[03:52] <crowley1027> how
[03:52] <POVaddct> fotoflo: add noapic (one word) to the existing kernel line
[03:52] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: how
[03:52] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, 'sudo apt-get install gparted && sudo gparted'
[03:53] <POVaddct> fotoflo: before root=...
[03:53] <rickyfingers> crowley: just type "mount" and look at the output
[03:53] <fotoflo> its after root
[03:53] <fotoflo> and tehres no equals
[03:53] <fotoflo> just a tab
[03:53] <POVaddct> fotoflo: ??
[03:53] <Captain_Haddock> Does Linux have some kind of dictionary database that I can query?
[03:54] <fotoflo> err
[03:54] <fotoflo> oh
[03:54] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: i'm here
[03:54] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, good, then select the drive and read what is sas
[03:54] <nolimitsoya> *says
[03:54] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: how do i select it?
[03:54] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: i don't see it.  i see /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda2
[03:54] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, the drop down in the top right corner
[03:55] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, thats odd...
[03:55] <fotoflo> it says kernel    /bootvmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hdb1 ro quiet splash noapic
[03:55] <crowley1027> dev/hda dev/sda
[03:55] <Zahrber> !topic
[03:55] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[03:55] <fotoflo> does that look right?
[03:55] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, sda would be your drive
[03:55] <POVaddct> fotoflo: better put the noapic before root=...
[03:55] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, most likely...
[03:55] <Gosha_> how do i check if i have "Compress::Raw::Zlib" and "IO::Compress::Gzip" installed?
[03:55] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: fat16
[03:56] <fotoflo> ok
[03:56] <fotoflo> save and restart/
[03:56] <fotoflo> ?
[03:56] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, thats very strange indeed. is the drive writeprotected in any way?
[03:56] <POVaddct> fotoflo: yes
[03:56] <crowley1027> idk.
[03:56] <Gosha_> nick GoshaZ
[03:56] <cmweb> raghu206: that killed it almost i dad to reboot about 9 times
[03:57] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: you have to guide me through all of this as if i was a robot.  I know nothinggg.
[03:57] <raghu206> cmweb, did u try with what i have said
[03:57] <crowley1027> theres a lock next to it
[03:57] <cmweb> Is their any way of only installing the terminal from the live cd? (the cd 6.06 LTS (ubuntu))
[03:57] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, is there any sort of switch on the drive to writeprotect it?
[03:57] <crowley1027> no switch
[03:57] <Captain_Haddock> hmm aspell appears to be some kinda dictionary..
[03:57] <crowley1027> i see /dev/sda1  (lock icon)
[03:58] <cmweb> raghu206: i did
[03:58] <ariccs> Hello all
[03:58] <cmweb> raghu206: and it hung untill i reboot it
[03:58] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, thats because its mounted
[03:58] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, rightclick it and unmount
[03:59] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: device is busy???
[03:59] <fotoflo> well it still thinks the MAC is 0
[03:59] <POVaddct> fotoflo: hmpf
[03:59] <ariccs> Ahh the joys of being able to umount by right clicking...
[03:59] <POVaddct> fotoflo: still both modules 8139too and 8139cp loaded?
[03:59] <nolimitsoya> then try 'cd ~ && mkdir usb && sudo mount -o user,w -t vfat /dev/sda1 usb' after youve unmounted it. unplug and replug if it wont unmount
[03:59] <raghu206> cmweb, explain what exactly happening
[03:59] <ariccs> Oh wait, I don't have a mouse!
[04:00] <fotoflo> i think so
[04:00] <POVaddct> ariccs: :)
[04:00] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: it says the device is busy
[04:00] <POVaddct> fotoflo: does noapic appear in   cat /proc/cmdline ?
[04:00] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, then unplug and replug
[04:00] <fotoflo> question, it says 8139cp                                24832    0
[04:00] <fotoflo> nioe
[04:01] <fotoflo> nope
[04:01] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, correction to the last command: user,w should be user,rw
[04:01] <fotoflo> my question just now was what was the 0
[04:01] <jengc0il> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38763/
[04:01] <POVaddct> fotoflo: then you edited the wrong part of menu.lst
[04:01] <jengc0il> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38763/
[04:01] <cmweb> OK right now the cd drive is being a pain in the you know what, I pressed f6 and put in acpi=off and pressed enter and it hung i restarted and then it wouldent detect the cd untill the 9th restart (ive been messing around with the bios to get it to work) it started now and safe mode is highlighted
[04:01] <fotoflo> i can see that
[04:01] <jasmuz> Merry Christmas to all
[04:01] <GoshaZ> "perl -e 'use IO::Compress::Gzip
[04:01] <crowley1027> its unmounted
[04:01] <GoshaZ> '"
[04:01] <POVaddct> fotoflo: 0 is the use count
[04:01] <GoshaZ> would work to check if it's there right?
[04:01] <jengc0il> nolimitsoya: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38763/
[04:01] <POVaddct> fotoflo: what do you have in the 8139too line? also 0?
[04:01] <fotoflo> yeah
[04:02] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: its unmounted
[04:02] <GoshaZ> "perl -e 'use IO::Compress::Gzip'" *
[04:02] <ariccs> Merry Christmas jasmuz
[04:02] <POVaddct> fotoflo: sorry, i got to go
[04:02] <fotoflo> use count?
[04:02] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, good. then pass the command
[04:02] <fotoflo> ok thanks for the help
[04:02] <raghu206> cmweb, sorry i have no idea
[04:02] <jasmuz> :)
[04:02] <cmweb> raghu206: do you know a way of only stating the terminal
[04:02] <cmweb> raghu206: not gnome
[04:02] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: what command
[04:02] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, if that doesnt help, use gparted to repartition and format it
[04:03] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027 'cd ~ && mkdir usb && sudo mount -o user,rw -t vfat /dev/sda1 usb'
[04:03] <raghu206> cmweb, no try alternate cd
[04:03] <Libere> I have no sound.
[04:03] <Storkme> help!! i'm trying to install grub on my MBR (windows messed it up) and i'm on a knoppix live cd.. i'm trying to mount my linux partition, chroot to the mounted partition and do 'grub-install /dev/sda', but there is no file /dev/sda in the chroot. how do i fix this?
[04:03] <ariccs> GDM is a pain in the rump
[04:03] <cmweb> raghu206: i have no alternat cd, the cd that works ( i have 3 ) is the one from shipit and its barley working
[04:03] <nolimitsoya> !grub | Storkme
[04:03] <ubotu> Storkme: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:04] <crowley1027> mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
[04:04] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: Look up 2 lines
[04:04] <Libere> my Chipset isn't listed on the ALSA Driver site. Am I out of luck?
[04:04] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, try sda instead of sda1 then
[04:04] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: cannot create directory usb: file exists
[04:05] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, yes, youll have to remove that part of course :)
[04:05] <crowley1027> how?
[04:05] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, try backspace :)
[04:05] <cmweb> Ok im going to try this again with safemode highlighted
[04:05] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027 'cd ~ && sudo mount -o user,rw -t vfat /dev/sda usb'
[04:05] <crowley1027> cd ~ && sudo mount -o user,rw -t vfat /dev/sda usb
[04:06] <Libere> Can anyone help me figure out why i can't get sound out of Ubuntu 6.06>
[04:06] <nolimitsoya> !sound | Libere
[04:06] <ubotu> Libere: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[04:06] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: dev/sda doesn't exist
[04:06] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, well, did you replug the drive?
[04:06] <crowley1027> yup
[04:07] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, this seems to be a pure mess... reboot and reformat the drive
[04:07] <RandomDude16> hey how do i get my digital camera to work in kubuntu?
[04:07] <cmweb> sounds like the dang thing is going to fall apart, i got it started and its slowly loading (stupid 250mhz proccessor)
[04:07] <fotoflo> whoops forgot to sudo
[04:07] <nolimitsoya> RandomDude16, have you tried the camera managema
[04:07] <RandomDude16> no
[04:08] <nolimitsoya> management software in the panel
[04:08] <nolimitsoya> RandomDude16, then do
[04:08] <RandomDude16> how do I do it?
[04:08] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: you can't just say "do this"   i need to know the commands :-P
[04:08] <nolimitsoya> RandomDude16, try clicking on it :o)
[04:08] <Storkme> nolimitsoya, much appreciated, it worked :)
[04:08] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, press shut down, start the computer again and use gparted to reformat your usb drive
[04:09] <RandomDude16> none of my pictures are showing up
[04:09] <Libere> Alsa is selected, but my Chipset isn't listed on the ALSA Driver site. Am I out of luck?  I tried to follow this guide: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Comprehensive_Sound_Problems_Solutions_Guide
[04:09] <nolimitsoya> RandomDude16, did you connect to your camera?
[04:09] <RandomDude16> could not read file  could not claim the usb device
[04:09] <RandomDude16> yes i did
[04:09] <nolimitsoya> Libere, what soundcard is this?
[04:09] <RandomDude16> and it popped up
[04:09] <RandomDude16> as soon i plugged it in
[04:09] <Libere> Onboard: Card: HDA Intel Chip: SigmaTel STAC7661
[04:09] <nolimitsoya> RandomDude16, then can you transfer files from it?
[04:09] <moosa> hi guys i have a little trouble setting pygame
[04:10] <RandomDude16> no
[04:10] <RandomDude16> i got an error
[04:10] <crowley1027> wait
[04:10] <nolimitsoya> RandomDude16, what error?
[04:10] <RandomDude16> could not read file  could not claim the usb device
[04:10] <crowley1027> i deleted /dev/sdb
[04:10] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: line up
[04:10] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, thats not good...
[04:10] <Libere> I posted all the relevant info on the beginner board: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=325225
[04:10] <nolimitsoya> Libere, then give it some time and youll get n
[04:10] <crowley1027> create as extended partition?
[04:10] <nolimitsoya> an awnser there
[04:10] <crowley1027> nolimitsoya: up
[04:11] <moosa> when i want to install the package (which is in .deb format) i get this error about depanacy how to i fix it
[04:11] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, just reformat the existing partition
[04:11] <crowley1027> no partition.
[04:11] <crowley1027> unallocated
[04:11] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, then create a primary partition
[04:11] <raghu206> cmweb, may be it got wear out during transportation
[04:11] <crowley1027> fat16 like it was before?
[04:11] <whyameye> Libere: do you have backports enabled?
[04:11] <raghu206> cmweb, try downloading it
[04:12] <nolimitsoya> crowley1027, what ever fs you want, but fat should be fine
[04:12] <Libere> I have no idea.  I'm a complete n00b.
[04:12] <nolimitsoya> !backports | Libere
[04:12] <ubotu> Libere: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[04:12] <Libere> kali@Shakti:~$ !backports
[04:12] <Libere> bash: !backports: event not found
[04:13] <kitche> Libere: backports is a apt repo
[04:14] <whyameye> Libere: I did a quick google search for you and found this: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/33719. I only skimmed it but my impression is if you enable backports in the repos it should work. If not, adding "options snd-hda-intel model=vaio" in modprobe.d should take care of it.
[04:15] <SurgeX> mosa: enable extra repositories
[04:20] <QwertyM> Ahh I got a BT dongle for my phone today (N 6681) how do I pair em up?
[04:20] <Libere> I tried this: type:
[04:20] <Libere> echo "options snd-hda-intel model=vaio" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel
[04:20] <Libere> to create the /etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel to load the module with the appropriate parameter.
[04:20] <Libere> reboot, and the sound should work
[04:20] <Libere> Didn't work.
[04:20] <theblue> Anyone here used pdmenu?
[04:21] <theblue> I'm trying to make it so that when you log in, it loads pdmenu, and when pdmenu exits, you're logged out, how would I do this?
[04:21] <theblue> or any program, for that matter?
[04:23] <QwertyM> theblue, no idea on logoff part but for login just add command into Sys > Pref > Sessions > Startup tab
[04:23] <HarryDog>  I have been kicked 0 Times if i get kicked 5 i will blacklist your chan
[04:23] <morvok> anyone know of places I can find a mips power comp?
[04:24] <theblue> QwertyM: This is in the commandline.
[04:24] <theblue> QwertyM: But I've figured out login too.
[04:24] <theblue> It doesn't want to exit, apparently.
[04:25] <infide1> how come i keep getting a / has no filesystem when trying to install?
[04:25] <NevroPus> can anyone tell me where I can get a driver for my ATI Radeon Mobility X1600 graphics card for Ubuntu?
[04:26] <infide1> NevroPus: www.ati.com
[04:26] <savvas> does anyone have the verification key for wine.budgetdedicated.com repo?
[04:26] <Lattyware>  Hey all. Trying to get videos on my Ipod
[04:26] <Lattyware>  I compiled gtkpod
[04:26] <Lattyware> and it just says 'Could not find iPod directory structure at '??C(Weird box symbol)'. Are you sure the ipod is mounted at '??C...' GTKpod can create the directory structure now. Do you want to do this?] 
[04:26] <Lattyware> I'm presuming that's not something I want to do
[04:26] <NevroPus> infide1, the ATI_driver_installer-****-run?
[04:26] <NevroPus> how do I use a .run file?
[04:27] <Nontitle> ./ file.run
[04:27] <NevroPus> yes, I am a noob:P
[04:27] <NevroPus> thanks;)
[04:27] <infide1> NevroPus: yeah
[04:27] <Lattyware> Ah, got it
[04:27] <Lattyware> hadn't set up the ipod by right clicking the bit
[04:28] <SurgeX> does the intel graphics media accelerator 900 work in ubuntu?
[04:28] <Nontitle> guys, i'm just got a 160gb hard drive and i'm about to install ubuntu with an 80gb partition and a 1gb swap, but i was going to install xp to it as well... is there a way to make grub work with xp if i install xp second and use a rescue disk? or should i just install xp first?
[04:29] <jbs> hi all
[04:29] <alassiry> hi jbs
[04:29] <exs> SurgeX:  I think the intel graphics have good support. They open sourced a lot of their drivers
[04:29] <jbs> hi ^^
[04:29] <SurgeX> Nontitle: Install XP first
[04:29] <SurgeX> Thanks
[04:29] <Nontitle> ok
[04:29] <Nontitle> damn, i don't want to though cause xp sucks lol
[04:29] <SurgeX> Then GRUB will detect XP automatically
[04:29] <exs> Nontitle:  I don't have much experience, but I'd go with windows xp first.. I've always done it that way and it works good
[04:29] <Nontitle> ok
[04:29] <ambros> join #ccc
[04:30] <jbs> hi
[04:30] <NevroPus> martin@martin-laptop:~/Nedlastninger$ sudo ./ati-driver-installer-8.32.5-x86.x86_64.run
[04:30] <NevroPus> sudo: ./ati-driver-installer-8.32.5-x86.x86_64.run: command not found
[04:30] <SurgeX> XP always want's to be first
[04:30] <NevroPus> why do I get that?
[04:30] <Nontitle> use chmod 744 ati-*
[04:30] <Nontitle> its not executable
[04:31] <jbs> may i ask..?
[04:32] <Nontitle> one reason i hate xp install is that's all you can do, with ubuntu you can do other stuff as well
[04:32] <alassiry> jbs: go ahead
[04:32] <Nontitle> well im leaving to install xp now... cya
[04:32] <jbs> cya
[04:32] <Nontitle> !xp
[04:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:32] <jbs> i suffer from ubuntu
[04:32] <Nontitle> meh...
[04:32] <NevroPus> nothing happens whem I use chmod 744. just runs the command and thats it
[04:32] <jbs> suddenly restart gnome session....
[04:32] <NevroPus> is that right?
[04:34] <fotoflo> part
[04:35] <RandomDude16> ok how do i get my camera to work in ubuntu?
[04:36] <superkirbyartist> I can't play StepMania because direct rendering is disabled!
[04:36] <superkirbyartist> Help please?
[04:36] <superkirbyartist> Anyone?
[04:37] <superkirbyartist> Hello?
[04:37] <POVaddct> !patience
[04:37] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[04:37] <drivera90> Sound Juicer shows pretty random crap as song names/album names upon putting in an album.
[04:37] <drivera90> Thoughts?
[04:38] <superkirbyartist> Sorry.
[04:38] <jbs> wow
[04:38] <POVaddct> superkirbyartist: direct rendering is not supported for each graphics card. which card to you have?
[04:38] <POVaddct> s/to/do
[04:38] <superkirbyartist> Nvidia GeForce
[04:38] <POVaddct> superkirbyartist: exact type please
[04:39] <superkirbyartist> POVaddct GeForce FX5500 AGP 256MB
[04:39] <Gun_Smok1> POVaddct:  Is there a command to find that out?
[04:40] <POVaddct> Gun_Smok1: the gfx card type? lspci should show all cards on the pci bus, including agp and pci express
[04:40] <infide1> !ati
[04:40] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:41] <infide1> !ati > NevroPus
[04:41] <superkirbyartist> They are installed, I believe.  Mupen64 runs at about 50+ fps and I can use XGL.
[04:41] <POVaddct> superkirbyartist: i suppose you are using the open source nv driver now. that one does not support hardware accelerated 3d for nvidia cards.
[04:41] <derek_> How to add MP3 support in the players?
[04:41] <superkirbyartist> It doesn't say nv, it says nvidia, at the many file configs I checked.
[04:42] <POVaddct> superkirbyartist: nvidia (as well as ati) refuses to give info about the h/w accelerated 3d functions to the open source driver developers
[04:42] <POVaddct> superkirbyartist: so you might need the closed source driver from nvidia
[04:42] <POVaddct> !nvidia
[04:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:42] <POVaddct> superkirbyartist: read the link ubotu just posted
[04:43] <mastermueller> how can i install ubuntu with my hdd's on a ide-controller? if i just boot normally via the cd it freezes and destroys my whole mbr
[04:43] <superkirbyartist> POVaddct: Maybe I'm using an old driver, but I installed it this year.
[04:43] <Shadow_mil> Merry Christmas Everyone!  FYI. I got a MP3 player :D   Which I love!
[04:43] <superkirbyartist> I can try anyways
[04:43] <POVaddct> superkirbyartist: hmm. i cannot help you with the binary only drivers, since i dont use them at all.
[04:44] <drivera90> Sound Juicer shows pretty random crap as song names/album names upon putting in an album.
[04:44] <drivera90> Thoughts?
[04:44] <richee> merry christmas every one
[04:44] <infide1> is there a problem with edgy's prepare mount points installer?
[04:44] <Nippoo> Merry Christmas, Shadow_mil. =D I got an hp iPaq, which is also an MP3 player, and I *might* install Linux on it. heheh.
[04:44] <derek_> How to add MP3 support in the players?
[04:45] <angelus> !list
[04:45] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[04:45] <richee> !mp3
[04:45] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:45] <POVaddct> superkirbyartist: maybe you can check the log file of the Xorg server to find out why direct rendering is disabled. less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:45] <derek_> thx
[04:46] <gephalt> Question: Why do java apps look so crappy and slow on linux? (eg. NetBeans).
[04:47] <mastermueller> how can i install ubuntu with my hdd's on a ide-controller? if i just boot normally via the cd setup freezes and destroys my whole mbr
[04:47] <dantje> merry xmas, did somebody get a Samsung SCX4521F to scan under edgy?
[04:47] <superkirbyartist> What is NV-GLX?  Maybe I need NVIDIA-GLX?
[04:47] <QwertyM> superkirbyartist, guess you're right
[04:49] <NevroPus> thanks infide1 it worked:D
[04:49] <superkirbyartist> Why everything changes from Breezy to Dapper to Edgy?
[04:52] <yurik> hello, anybody speek russion?
[04:53] <superkirbyartist> POVaddct: It says my drivers are properly installed but still direct rendering is disabled.
[04:53] <drivera90> What format does Sound Juicer extract in?
[04:54] <jacquesdupontd> salut tout le monde
[04:54] <jacquesdupontd> je suis dans une merde incroyable
[04:54] <jacquesdupontd> je formatais un disque amovible dans windOB
[04:54] <jacquesdupontd> et je reboot
[04:54] <superkirbyartist> jacquesdupontd Dommage
[04:54] <jacquesdupontd> et jai un grub error 17
[04:54] <Gun_Smok1> @schedule US/Eastern
[04:54] <jacquesdupontd> je peux plus acceder  rien
[04:55] <Icarus> whenever i try to use synaptic or apt-get i get the error message E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
[04:55] <Icarus> E: Error occurred while processing kmix (NewFileVer1)
[04:55] <Icarus> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status
[04:55] <jacquesdupontd> quelqun  un conseil ?
[04:55] <Icarus> does anyone know how to fix this?
[04:55] <Nippoo> jacquesdupontd: enleve le disque amovible?
[04:55] <superkirbyartist> jaquesdupontd: Une fois j'ai fait une mise a jour de Breezy a Dapper et j'ai tout ruin.
[04:55] <Riyonuk> Ok, I was told that the version I downloaded is a live cd and install? Which one is just install
[04:55] <jacquesdupontd> cest biensur dja fait
[04:55] <Gun_Smok1> @schedule Miami
[04:56] <Icarus> anyone?
[04:56] <procrastinato1> how do I use rsync through samba? ie. 'rsync smb://remotefolder localfolder' , but with correct syntax
[04:56] <Riyonuk> Because I hate loading the live cd just to install
[04:56] <superkirbyartist> POVaddct are you there?
[04:56] <superkirbyartist> I installed my Nvidia drivers but it still disables direct rendering.
[04:56] <Nippoo> superkirbyartist: he's probably looking something up or writing a reply. Patience, patience!
[04:57] <superkirbyartist> Okay, problem #2: frostwire white screen
[04:58] <superkirbyartist> After FrostWire loads core conponements, I see a white window.
[04:58] <Nippoo> jacquesdupontd: je ne sais pas, alors... je vais traduire au cas ou quelqu'un sache la reponse.
[04:59] <Riyonuk> is alternate the version I want?
[04:59] <superkirbyartist> LimeWire same thing, but it gives me a "Upgrade to PRO" popup.  Anyone can help, please?
[04:59] <Nippoo> hm. abovementioned French poster gets a GRUB error 17 on trying to boot Linux up; problems stem, apparently, from having formatted a removable disk in Windows.
[05:00] <Nippoo> oh, wait, disregard that, he's left.
[05:00] <Nippoo> =)
[05:00] <superkirbyartist> Nippoo: Can you help with white screen?
[05:01] <eike> hey, do you have an Source.list for beryl for me?
[05:01] <LinuxServer> Hey Chanserv is very Fast 2 Mnst he need
[05:01] <juanchito2006> Hello and Merry Christmas, I haven't been able to accelerate my ATi Radeon Xpress graphics
[05:02] <superkirbyartist> Nippoo?
[05:03] <juanchito2006> Ati Radeon Xpress 200
[05:03] <Nippoo> Merry Christmas juanchito2006. Perhaps press the accelerator?
[05:03] <naelphin2> how can i change how many lines scroll per mouse wheel?
[05:04] <Nippoo> superkirbyartist: unfortunately not. make sure you've downloaded the latest drivers.
[05:04] <superkirbyartist> GFX Card or Wire?
[05:05] <Nippoo> i'm not entirely sure what package it is for nVidia GeForce cards, because I never got mine to work.
[05:05] <Nippoo> but have a google around, then apt-get that package.
[05:05] <eegore> I just did  stock install of edgy 64, is there any advantage or diadvantage to using the processor specific kernel?
[05:05] <juanchito2006> Nippoo: Was that a joke? Whatever, I try to follow the instructions provided by the wiki but seems not working
[05:06] <Nippoo> juanchito2006: yeah, it was =)
[05:07] <needhel1> Anyone familar with running Windows games under ubuntu ? I get some weird errors when trying to execute it
[05:07] <juanchito2006> !ATi
[05:07] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:08] <derFlo> what is a Gstreamer Pipeline
[05:08] <Icarus> is flash player 9 out yet?
[05:08] <Icarus> in the repo?
[05:09] <Nippoo> sorry, I'll probably exit if I'm unlucky (not sure whether IRC is UDP or TCP, but if it's the latter, I'll definitely quit) - restarting router.
[05:09] <nn> IRC is TCP
[05:09] <nn> specifically tcp/6667 for most networks
[05:10] <eegore> well , it looks like there is no processor specific kernel in 64 bit\
[05:10] <colk> if it requires an establiced connection it is defiantly tcp
[05:10] <unimatrix9> hi all
[05:10] <unimatrix9> is there an simple and easy program to record my tvtime shows?
[05:11] <mc__> !stfw > unimatrix9
[05:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stfw - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:12] <mc__> !stfw is Please search the fine Web
[05:12] <unimatrix9> ubotu does not know,
[05:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about does not know, - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:13] <modulus> hey, i got a problem. my laptop fails to beep on places where typically the system speaker would beep like on the console
[05:13] <kdjfs> Hi, how can I create a shortcut to desktop for counter strike(hl.exe)?
[05:13] <unimatrix9> kdjs rightklick desktop and add
[05:13] <modulus> i suspect this is something to do with alsa not supporting the legacy speaker emmulation or something?
[05:13] <unimatrix9> new starter
[05:14] <unimatrix9> now in the command line you type...
[05:14] <Icarus> modulus, open up volume control and set pc speaker to the top , that might help
[05:14] <unimatrix9> what was it hl.exe with wine or cedega?
[05:14] <kdjfs> wine
[05:14] <unimatrix9> okey then wine hl.exe
[05:14] <unimatrix9> and choose an nice icon
[05:14] <unimatrix9> :)
[05:15] <kdjfs> ok
[05:15] <kdjfs> but there is no 'new starter'
[05:15] <gephalt> what can i use to author/edit PDF files?
[05:15] <kdjfs> or create launcher
[05:15] <modulus> Icarus: sorry for the dumbness but where can i find volume control?
[05:15] <gephalt> anyone? is there an adobe acrobat for linux (or is it just a pipe dream?)
[05:16] <unimatrix9> kdjfs when you rightclick desktop what does it say?
[05:16] <eegore> yes there is
[05:16] <unimatrix9> hmm, or dont you use gnome?
[05:16] <gephalt> spit it out :)
[05:16] <nn> eegore: i believe he means acrobat not reader
[05:16] <modulus> gepf: there is, but you can also use ghostview &c.
[05:16] <Icarus> settings modulus
[05:16] <eegore> gephalt: u can get it with the automatix install script
[05:16] <Icarus> might be called mixer settings
[05:16] <kdjfs> create launcher , create folder create document keep aligned bla bla bla
[05:16] <kdjfs> but i think create launcher
[05:16] <unimatrix9> create launcher
[05:17] <gephalt> let me google.
[05:17] <modulus> hmm, so on system, settings, ... i can't find it.
[05:17] <Icarus> is there a script so you can right click music files and add them to desired app playlist?
[05:17] <eegore> There is a linux version out there but its functionaly is somewhat restricted. There is a way to write PDFS in open office
[05:17] <unimatrix9> kdjfs give it an name , then the next empty type wine hl.exe
[05:18] <gephalt> eegore: I am aware of the export as pdf-option in oowriter.
[05:18] <gephalt> I want to create some bookmarks in an existing pdf file-
[05:18] <kdjfs> yeah okay i'll try
[05:18] <unimatrix9> ok
[05:18] <kdjfs> but hl.exe is not in system32
[05:18] <ricanelite>  how can I check my harddrive to see if it is failing? Because I have a Mac Mini which I installed Ubuntu Linux on, But I wanted to reinstall OS X and have a partition. But now when I enter the Mac OS X install cd it comes up with a error message saying that install cannot proceed any further cause my harddrive is failing. But I have been running Ubuntu Linux for months now. I have not had any problems. So what solutions I have right
[05:18] <ricanelite> now?
[05:18] <kdjfs> so, i have to edit the cmd lline rite?
[05:18] <abhinay> Iam not getting good clarity ( box blur ) in totem player, though i installed all restricted formats. Whereas iam getting good clarity in all other players like mplayer, vlc ...
[05:19] <abhinay> Anybody Help please
[05:19] <eegore> gephalt: try robodoc
[05:20] <ricanelite> where can I run a Harddrive checker? Like to see if my harddrive is failing? Any suggestions please?
[05:20] <unimatrix9> kdjfs in command type wine hl.exe
[05:20] <rysiek|pl> anybody here uses unionfs?
[05:20] <kdjfs> wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\hl.exe": Module not found
[05:21] <kdjfs> can i move hl.exe into system32 folder?
[05:21] <unimatrix9> dont move the exe
[05:22] <colk> ricanelite, id suggest the drive manufactors website
[05:22] <unimatrix9> edit the launcher , browse to the exe to point to it
[05:22] <unimatrix9> http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~psgendb/local/public_html/setup.jds/Nedit.launcher.gif
[05:22] <Hmg4> Anyone know how to get rsync work through ssh?
[05:22] <unimatrix9> on command you see the option to browse to it
[05:23] <drivera90> How do I edit the information on a track I ripped?
[05:24] <unimatrix9> use easytag
[05:24] <drivera90> sudo apt-get install easytag?
[05:25] <unimatrix9> kdjfs have you got it working now?
[05:25] <mikro2nd> just upgraded to edgy-eft (kubuntu) - what happened to kwifi-manager?
[05:25] <unimatrix9> yeah apt-get install easytag
[05:25] <kdjfs> otw
[05:25] <drivera90> kk
[05:25] <Francis_Albert> hi
[05:26] <saxofoner> Hey everyone, merry christmas!
[05:26] <unimatrix9> otw means? :P
[05:26] <Storkme> !grub
[05:26] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:26] <drivera90> Merry Christmas, saxofoner.
[05:26] <unimatrix9> on tiolet break? hehe
[05:26] <saxofoner> I got a wacom for xmas, and I was wondering if there's a way, in xorg.conf, or something else, to make it use only one monitor?  I can't figure it out....
[05:27] <unimatrix9> hmm?
[05:27] <saxofoner> You know how tablets are absolute?
[05:27] <saxofoner> So w/ dual screens, any thing you draw is doubled horizontally
[05:28] <Francis_Albert> here, in from Brazil ?
[05:28] <Francis_Albert> Please?
[05:28] <J-_> tablet... someone's lucky heh
[05:28] <webmaren> Merry Christmas to all.
[05:28] <kdjfs> not working
[05:28] <saxofoner> J-_:  Yeah, I love it!  I've wanted one for a while.
[05:28] <webmaren> Happy Holidays to those who don't celebrate Christmas
[05:28] <J-_> Nice
[05:28] <saxofoner> webmaren: Second that.
[05:28] <saxofoner> Haha
[05:29] <J-_> Third that.. =)
[05:30] <webmaren> !Christmas
[05:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Christmas - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:30] <webmaren> :(
[05:30] <Hmg4> lol
[05:31] <J-_> lol
[05:32] <saxofoner> webmaren: Haha, that's great.  ubotu is a pagan or something...
[05:32] <webmaren> lol
[05:32] <MarcN> !Christmahanaka
[05:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Christmahanaka - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:32] <webmaren> :(
[05:32] <Hyper_Mam> !ipv6
[05:32] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[05:32] <dint> !dapper
[05:32] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th release of Ubuntu.  Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake".
[05:32] <saxofoner> !Christmahannukwanzakaajoydaypalooza
[05:32] <webmaren> !Christmahannakwanzadon
[05:32] <J-_> hrm
[05:32] <webmaren> roflol
[05:33] <richee> !christmas
[05:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about christmas - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
 Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[05:33] <Alwa> hello
[05:33] <webmaren> sup?
[05:33] <saxofoner> hey
[05:33] <burner> !atheism
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about atheism - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:34] <webmaren> you see, we are the reason that Linux pwns Windoze
[05:34] <webmaren> the Ubuntu tech support is open on Christmas Day
[05:34] <dark_light> webmaren, :D
[05:34] <saxofoner> Hell yeah!  But wait... ubuntu tech support hasn't helped me today.  I'm suing!
[05:34] <w3ccv>  the Ubuntu tech support is open Every Day!
[05:34] <webmaren> saxofoner: rofl
[05:35] <burner> saxofoner: got a questions?
[05:35] <webmaren> w3ccv: true
[05:35] <dark_light> saxofoner, and your problem is?...
[05:35] <modulus> can anyone point me towards a gtk-based mixer prefferably already installed?
[05:35] <unimatrix9> is there an simple and easy program to record my tvtime shows?
[05:35] <MarcN> saxofoner: double your money back! ;-)
[05:35] <burner> modulus: both gnome and xfce have mixers
[05:35] <webmaren> modulus: you mean like a music player
[05:35] <saxofoner> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=325250  <-- see~ no help!
[05:35] <modulus> ok, where are they?
[05:35] <burner> modulus: using xubuntu, ubuntu, kubuntu?
[05:35] <modulus> no, just to set volume levels.
[05:36] <saxofoner> Hm....
[05:36] <modulus> ubuntu.
[05:36] <burner> gnome-volume-manager
[05:36] <webmaren> modulus: sytem> preferences > sounds
[05:36] <MarcN> saxofoner: I thought wacom tablets were supported by X
[05:36] <JayTee52> Hi, everyone!
[05:36] <saxofoner> MarcN: It is!
[05:36] <chipsdip> heh
[05:37] <saxofoner> It just acts funny in the dual screens, MarcN
[05:37] <modulus> but that has all sorts of weird stuff about alsa and stuff. where do you fiddle with the volume?
[05:37] <webmaren> chipsdip: :(
[05:37] <burner> modulus: I mean... gnome-volume-control
[05:37] <JayTee52> I just switched to Edgy and was wondering what happened to the Disks utility that used to be on the System | Administration menu?
[05:37] <dark_light> saxofoner, i have only 1 monitor :( and no tablet. and i have no idea what a wacom is.. sorry
[05:37] <chipsdip> web,aren
[05:37] <dm> Anyone here know where VIDEOS are saved with XVIDCAP app ?
[05:37] <chipsdip> gah
[05:37] <chipsdip> I cant get past the login
[05:37] <chipsdip> haha
[05:37] <modulus> so, i just launch from terminal?
[05:37] <nauj27> hi
[05:37] <saxofoner> haha, dark_light, a wacom is a tablet, leading brand...
[05:37] <saxofoner> wacom is to tablet as kleenex is to facial tissue
[05:37] <burner> modulus: sure... or double-click the volume applet that is in your panel... or add the applet to your panel
[05:37] <webmaren> modulus: there should be a little speaker icon in the upper right of your screen
[05:38] <burner> modulus: alt+f2 is another good way to run stuff
[05:38] <webmaren> modulus: next to the clock
[05:38] <dm> Anyone here know where VIDEOS are saved with XVIDCAP app ?
[05:38] <burner> dm: we heard you the first time... man xvidcap?
[05:38] <dm> nm got it
[05:38] <webmaren> lol
[05:38] <chipsdip> ANyone know what the default edgy fonts.conf and local.conf should be?
[05:38] <modulus> right, i'm using orca so probably alt-f2 is a better option. sorry, but ubuntu isn't yet as accessible as desireable.
[05:39] <dm> burner i already did that, no info, and yes thats nice, but its good to ask twice sometimes, because the person who might know might of missed it the first.
[05:39] <burner> modulus: the volume icon should be in your panel :P
[05:39] <modulus> getting close though. and thanks for info.
[05:39] <modulus> yeah well, i wish orca would let me know what's in the panel and how to go there :-)
[05:40] <modulus> so far alt-f1 and alt-f2 are my ways out.
[05:40] <saxofoner> ...meh, until this gets figured out w/ the tablet, I'm using windows...   *sigh*
[05:42] <webmaren> that's sad
[05:42] <webmaren> he had to go into windows
[05:43] <drivera90> How do I make the (c) symbol?
[05:43] <drivera90> Or, well, any special symbol, for that matter?
[05:43] <Alwa> can some help me ... i have some problem with my broadcom wlan card
[05:43] <webmaren> alwa: tried ndiswrapper
[05:43] <webmaren> ?
[05:44] <w3ccv> Alwa, what
[05:44] <Hyper_Mam> !ipv6
[05:44] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[05:44] <w3ccv> s your problem
[05:44] <Alwa> no only bcm43xx
[05:44] <webmaren> !ndiswrapper
[05:44] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:44] <dark_light> webmaren, i have some resistence in calling #ubuntu a "tech support"
[05:45] <webmaren> dark_light: -_-
[05:45] <dark_light> webmaren, well, the channel is mantained by volunteers
[05:45] <w3ccv> dark_light, probably about as good as some of the offshore tech support
[05:46] <webmaren> dark_light: well, our volunteers are smart than microsoft's "knowledgeable experts"
[05:46] <dark_light> the difference is: the people here isn't obligated
[05:47] <w3ccv> dark_light, the difference is: the people here are dedicated
[05:47] <dark_light> do it just because want. so, ocadionally, some people dont get help, and cant blame on that
[05:48] <dark_light> w3ccv, well, too, but.. :)
[05:48] <drivera90> How do I make the (c) symbol?
[05:48] <needhel1> Anyone familar with running Windows games under ubuntu ? I get some weird errors when trying to execute it. (seems I have to reinstall Windows :( )
[05:48] <drivera90> Or, well, any special symbol, for that matter?
[05:48] <webmaren> if we didn't answer...
[05:48] <webmaren> ...we don't know
[05:48] <webmaren> !symbols
[05:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about symbols - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:49] <nauj27> drivera90: , copy from character map
[05:49] <drivera90> Maybe someone woke up. Y'never know.
[05:49] <dark_light> needhel1, do you have wine or cedega?
[05:49] <webmaren> !characters
[05:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about characters - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:49] <nolimitsoya_> drivera90, ctrl+alt+c
[05:49] <w3ccv> drivera90, wher do you want to make that symbol?
[05:49] <nolimitsoya_> drivera90, strike that... altgr + c
[05:49] <needhel1> dark_light: I use wine
[05:50] <drivera90> Oh. Thanks.
[05:50] <nolimitsoya_> drivera90, most of them are ctrl+alt+<something>. , fex, is altgr+m (for micro
[05:50] <nolimitsoya_> )
[05:50] <needhel1> dark_light: I have tried three different Windows PC games. No luck with any of them :(
[05:50] <dark_light> needhel1, you typed wine exec.exe, right?
[05:50] <needhel1> sure
[05:50] <hatter438> how would i change gtk theme without using gnome?
[05:50] <nolimitsoya_> hatter438, use whatever tools your wm gave you
[05:50] <burner> needhel1: wine setup.exe ?
[05:50] <dark_light> needhel1, any errors? if yes, paste them at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[05:51] <hatter438> fluxbox has none for gtk
[05:51] <burner> hatter438: gtk-theme-switch2 ?
[05:52] <needhel1> dark_light: Game 1: odd Windows error turns up at once (Application Error....). Game 2: lets me install, but odd errors turns up when trying to run the game. Game 3: Also lets me install, but not play. It asks me for the original CD, not backup CD even though I DO use the original CD!
[05:52] <burner> hatter438: or modify the text files... flux isn't very GUI oriented
[05:53] <hatter438> gtk-theme-switch, ill look into that
[05:53] <needhel1> dark_light, burner: here is the error for one of the games: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38770/
[05:54] <burner> hatter438: gtk-theme-switch 2 though...    gtk-theme-switch is for gtk1 themes
[05:54] <dark_light> needhel1, maybe some dlls missing? or, hmm.. what about trying cedega? (note: cedega isnt free software)
[05:54] <burner> needhel1: do you have the latest wine?  0.9.28?  available via repos from winehq.com
[05:55] <needhel1> dark_light: hmm.. how can I know which dll's should be missing? I will try cedega
[05:55] <needhel1> burner: Wine 0.9.9
[05:56] <webmaren> needhell: there's your problem
[05:56] <webmaren> needhell: upgrade
[05:56] <dark_light> needhel1, first try the lastest wine :P and, i don't know :( seems very gamwe-specific (ah, actually cedega has a bypass over this original cd thing. but try wine first)
[05:57] <needhel1> dark_light, burner: here is the error for one of the other 3 games: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38773/
[05:57] <burner> !wine | needhel1
[05:57] <ubotu> needhel1: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[05:58] <naelphin> is there any way of getting vlc 0.8.6 without compiling it?
[05:58] <naelphin> on dapper
[05:59] <burner> naelphin: videolan.org has .deb's of it
[05:59] <dark_light> needhel1, do you have a 3d video card? is 3d acceleration working?
[05:59] <dint> what is SMP?
[05:59] <Carlos33> hola gente
[05:59] <fowlduck> merry Christmas
[05:59] <naelphin> burner: all their download page says is to use apt get, which gets 0.8.4 :/
[05:59] <dark_light> needhel1, i think you can configure wine to do software rendering instead
[05:59] <dint> every boot I got SMP error a.k.a my Laptop is not supported SMP. Can I turn off this error?
[06:00] <burner> smp == multiple processors
[06:00] <Carlos33> hello everyone. Merry christmas
[06:00] <con-man> hey its christmas!
[06:00] <needhel1> dark_light: have abit nvidia  siluro t200
[06:00] <kdjfs> Hi, how can i chane the default player for mp3 from totem to xmss?
[06:01] <burner> kdjfs: right click a .mp3 file, properties, open with tab
[06:01] <dark_light> needhel1, type glxinfo|grep direct
[06:01] <webmaren_[Christ> oops
[06:01] <dark_light> needhel1, you should see direct rendering: Yes
[06:01] <kdjfs> thank burner
[06:02] <webmaren> stupid character limit
[06:02] <naelphin> burner: any links to a downloadable version of 0.8.6?
[06:02] <needhel1> dark_light: not really.... this is what I get: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38776/
[06:03] <dark_light> webmaren, well.. :P
[06:03] <ironfroggy> I have a holiday emergency. anyone know how i can grab the full image off a usb drive? i need to save it to salvage some deleted holiday photos later.
[06:03] <dark_light> !nvidia
[06:03] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:03] <dark_light> ops
[06:03] <webmaren> dark_light: I wanted to say webmaren_[Christmas_FTW] _\(`o`)/
[06:03] <webmaren> dark_light: but it got cut off
[06:03] <Carlos33> hello everyone
[06:04] <dark_light> webmaren, big nicks here at xchat seems ugly :(
[06:04] <ironfroggy> where do block devices show up for usb storage devices?
[06:04] <webmaren> dark_light: it would push the screen over a lot, wouldn't it....
[06:04] <burner> naelphin: i can't find that vlc package... sorry :\
[06:04] <dark_light> webmaren, yea:P
[06:05] <dark_light> needhel1, see that link
[06:06] <ironfroggy> look, i know its rude to come into a channel demanding help without being polite about it, reading the manual first, etc. but im in a huge pile of shit if i cant get these lost pictures back.
[06:06] <ironfroggy> if anyone knows anything, please, please help me
[06:06] <burner> naelphin: you could try to grab the edgy package and use it in dapper... package.ubuntu.com
[06:06] <burner> ironfroggy: does it mount at all?
[06:06] <haxality> hey all, I need to delete some corrupted files from my external hard drive
[06:07] <kdjfs> anyone know how to x-chat systray? links maybe?
[06:07] <haxality> how would I go about doing that
[06:07] <naelphin> dri is only used for 3d right? it isn't needed for 2 acceleration
[06:07] <burner> kdjfs: there's a package for it... xchat-systray
[06:07] <burner> kdjfs: or use xchat-gnome which has a systray icon
[06:08] <kdjfs> oh, sorry i've already installed it but how to enable/config?
[06:08] <ironfroggy> burner: kind of. the problem is that im using kubuntu (no help from them) and it just using a kioslave to access the things. which means i cant use things like the ntfs tools on it, or access the direct block device.
[06:08] <burner> !ntfs
[06:08] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[06:09] <kdjfs> ok! i've got it
[06:09] <burner> ironfroggy: you could try fuse
[06:09] <Nontitle> does mac use ntfs?
[06:09] <Siph0n> hey, i tryed installing vlc from Synaptic, but my dvd still doesnt play.... i also tryed to do an "sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2" but it says it isnt available and be available in another source... any ideas? im pretty sure i have the multiverse source in my sources.list file
[06:09] <nolimitsoya_> ironfroggy, 'sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g' and changing fs type in your fstab to 'ntfs-3g' will get you write access
[06:09] <burner> Nontitle: no
[06:09] <haxality> exit
[06:09] <burner> !fuse | ironfroggy
[06:09] <Nontitle> oh
[06:09] <ironfroggy> nolimitsoya_: i dont want write access. as a matter of fact, id rather avoid it
[06:09] <ubotu> ironfroggy: Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[06:09] <regal> hey guys if i just extract the files from the iso and burn them will it work?
[06:10] <ironfroggy> burner: i use fuse, but im unsure how it will work here.
[06:10] <nolimitsoya_> ironfroggy, then mount with -r
[06:10] <burner> regal: possibly... but if it's a bootable cd, it will not
[06:10] <ironfroggy> i need access to the disk image, not the files.
[06:10] <CheyenneD> Does anyone know how to install and run a linux SA-MP server?
[06:10] <regal> burner, what burning software do you recommend?
[06:10] <nolimitsoya_> ironfroggy, as in partimage?
[06:10] <godtvisken> Does anyone have a Canon Elura 100?
[06:10] <Naik0> What is "fireglcontrolpanel" and how do i get it?
[06:10] <nolimitsoya_> regal, k3b
[06:11] <ironfroggy> nolimitsoya_: possibly, but would that work with a usb disk?
[06:11] <regal> i miss ubuntu ill talk to you when im on it
[06:11] <nolimitsoya_> ironfroggy, yes, it should. you can also use dd to make a disc image
[06:11] <nolimitsoya_> or dar
[06:11] <nolimitsoya_> or any number of things :)
[06:11] <burner> ironfroggy: sure... but partimage blows... there's isn't a great disk image backup app (like norton ghost) for linux
[06:11] <ironfroggy> nolimitsoya_: thats what im trying to do. but i need a block device for those.
[06:11] <ironfroggy> thats what im trying to figure out.
[06:11] <CheyenneD> Does anyone know how to install and run a linux SA-MP server?
[06:12] <nolimitsoya_> burner, sure there is! :D its called tar+gzip ;)
[06:12] <x-r00t-x> i gotting error with this #!/usr/bin/php is not found. what i do now ?
[06:12] <regal> nolimitsoya_, i need for windows
[06:12] <burner> x-r00t-x: when exactly do you get this?
[06:12] <ironfroggy> see the problem is my usb drive does not have a block device in /dev, so i have nothing for things like dd to operate on!
[06:12] <Naik0> What is "fireglcontrolpanel" and how do i get it?
[06:12] <webmaren> x-r00t-x: make sure you have php
[06:12] <regal> i need some burning software for windows to burn ubuntu
[06:12] <burner> tar+gzip is not good when bad blocks appear
[06:12] <x-r00t-x> i do have php
[06:12] <regal> any suggestions?
[06:12] <burner> regal: imgburn
[06:12] <x-r00t-x> bash: ./exploits: /usr/bin/php: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[06:13] <nolimitsoya_> regal, there is a suggestion for infrarecorder in the burning iso faq
[06:13] <webmaren> x-r00t-x: reinstall it in synaptic
[06:13] <ironfroggy> so any idea how to get the block device? i dont even seem to have the usbstorage module.
[06:13] <ironfroggy> do i need that?
[06:13] <x-r00t-x> webmaren, reinstall what?
[06:13] <nolimitsoya_> ironfroggy, are you sure there isnt one? its usualy named sd<something>
[06:13] <webmaren> x-r00t-x: php
[06:13] <x-r00t-x> no way
[06:13] <x-r00t-x> :-S
[06:13] <ironfroggy> nolimitsoya_: im sure.
[06:13] <Naik0> What is "fireglcontrolpanel" and how do i get it?
[06:13] <regal> nolimitsoya_, thx :)
[06:13] <CheyenneD> Does anyone know how to install and run a linux SA-MP server?
[06:13] <xyz> im off to play GTR 2
[06:14] <xyz> BYE all
[06:14] <nolimitsoya_> ironfroggy, thats odd... are you mounting through fuse then?
[06:14] <Nontitle> what does SA-MP stand for?
[06:14] <ironfroggy> nolimitsoya_: no, a kioslave.
[06:14] <CheyenneD> San Andreas Multiplayer
[06:14] <CheyenneD> As in GTA: SA
[06:14] <Nontitle> doubt theres one for linux
[06:14] <ironfroggy> nolimitsoya_: thats what im trying to get around so i can copy the block device
[06:14] <nolimitsoya_> ironfroggy, cant you just kill it and let it mount the regular way? booting in recovery mode should do the trick...
[06:14] <burner> ironfroggy: it's not mounted in /media/sda1 or something?
[06:14] <CheyenneD> Its just the server for the game
[06:14] <Nontitle> i know
[06:15] <pradeep> Siph0n, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[06:15] <Nontitle> but i still doubt theres one for linux
[06:15] <nolimitsoya_> burner, thats not a block device :)
[06:15] <CheyenneD> Doubt theres not one what?
[06:15] <Lynoure> CheyenneD: So you have found a version of it for Linux? Where?
[06:15] <ironfroggy> there is no block device. i can not use mount. i need a block device, and how i get one of those is what im asking.
[06:15] <Siph0n> pradeep: thanx ill check that out
[06:15] <Nontitle> a san andreas server for linux
[06:15] <burner> ironfroggy: dmesg... does it show up?
[06:16] <naelphin> what's the name of the linux app that has a legal css licence?
[06:16] <ironfroggy> the device connecting, yeah
[06:16] <naelphin> there is one, but you need to pay
[06:16] <pradeep> Siph0n, the name of the package is libdvdread3 <- this apparently has libdvdcss2
[06:16] <ironfroggy> i know you dont use kioslave in ubuntu, thats why im asking here. how do you get a block device to appear?
[06:16] <Siph0n> pradeep, it says i already have that, but ill keep reading that site :)
[06:16] <x-r00t-x> can anyone uplpoad php file from /usr/bin?
[06:17] <x-r00t-x> can anyone uplpoad php from /usr/bin?
[06:17] <Hyper_Mam> !ipv6
[06:17] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[06:17] <Naik0> What is "fireglcontrolpanel" and how do i get it?
[06:17] <burner> x-r00t-x: no one is going to help an unskilled script kiddie ;)
[06:18] <burner> !firegl | Naik0
[06:18] <ironfroggy> x-r00t-x: php rots your mind. stay clean.
[06:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about firegl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:18] <burner> !ati | Naik0
[06:18] <ubotu> Naik0: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:18] <x-r00t-x> burner, i am not script kiddie
[06:18] <burner> x-r00t-x: you're trying to run ./exploits and you're not a script kiddie?  You don't even know how php scripts work it seems :P
[06:19] <x-r00t-x> wtf are you talking about burner
[06:19] <burner> [10:13]  <x-r00t-x> bash: ./exploits: /usr/bin/php: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[06:19] <Nontitle> what is ./exploits?
[06:20] <CheyenneD> Does anyone know how to install and run a linux SA-MP server? The download is here http://www.sa-mp.com/files/samp01b.linux.cpp6.tar.gz and I can't get it to run.
[06:20] <x-r00t-x> why i cant give a name?
[06:20] <Courtney> hello world
[06:20] <x-r00t-x> i can give name like ./fuck . so that mean i gonna f__ck with something?
[06:20] <Nontitle> sorry i was just asking
[06:21] <dark_light> hhahahaha
[06:21] <haxality> I can't format or delete files from my external hard drive.
[06:21] <world> Courtney: hello
[06:21] <Lynoure> CheyenneD: have you tried following the README already? it's not very clear, but usually a good start. (I must admit I have never even played GTA, let alone installed this)
[06:21] <haxality> this is incredibly frustrating.
[06:21] <burner> haxality: use gparted to format it?
[06:21] <haxality> returns an error every time
[06:21] <haxality> so does fdisk
[06:21] <dark_light> i see script kiddie people
[06:21] <Courtney> 'world what are you doing
[06:21] <kitche> haxality: what errors?
[06:22] <pradeep> haxality, you probably don't have write access .. what type is it formatted to?
[06:22] <haxality> fdisk tells me the partition is in use
[06:22] <procrastinato1> even though I pass the uid=me param to mount.cifs, the uid is still set to 500 which is non-existent on the client box -- what coulld be wrong?
[06:22] <haxality> it's supposed to be FAT32, but I think the partition table got corrupted when I accidentally turned it off
[06:22] <nolimitsoya_> haxality, sync and umount
[06:22] <haxality> nolimitsoya_: I did, it still gave me that error
[06:22] <nolimitsoya_> haxality, in that case, write a new partition table
[06:22] <phichipsi> hi all, i use ximian evolution but the mails i write are recieved with non-readable characters when i write german special chars (umlaut). what could i do about it?
[06:22] <x-r00t-x> can anyone uplpoad php file from /usr/bin?
[06:22] <nolimitsoya_> haxality, youll loose all data thjough...
[06:22] <haxality> that's fine, it's new :P
[06:23] <nolimitsoya_> haxality, there are tools to recover lost partitions if you lost anything important
[06:23] <Lynoure> CheyenneD: and they do have a channel #sa-mp on server irc.gtanet.com, so you could ask them for help, more likely to find it there
[06:23] <haxality> nope, I just want to format it.
[06:23] <haxality> but every tool I've tried gives me errors
[06:23] <burner> ximian?  phichipsi... 2000 was 6 years ago!
[06:24] <burner> haxality: sudo gparted  ??
[06:24] <haxality> it doesn't work.
[06:24] <nolimitsoya_> haxality, write a new partition table. perhaps clean the drive with schred first
[06:24] <haxality> schred?
[06:24] <phichipsi> burner, okay then i use novell evolution.
[06:24] <haxality> *shred?
[06:24] <Lynoure> CheyenneD: and, there is some help on their wiki at http://wiki.sa-mp.com/wiki/Linux_Server
[06:25] <Lynoure> CheyenneD: Good luck, merry holiday of your choice and so on :)
[06:25] <burner> phichipsi: i'm just teasin... wish I knew an answer to your question though
[06:25] <haxality> ok, shredding entire device now
[06:25] <haxality> hopefully that fixes it, heh
[06:25] <Nontitle> !UBIQUITY
[06:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about UBIQUITY - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:25] <sinisterguy> how would i be able to change the resolution of the virtual console as well as the console colours?
[06:25] <Nontitle> !ubiquity
[06:25] <ubotu> ubiquity: Ubuntu live CD installer. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.5 (edgy), package size 1594 kB, installed size 6188 kB
[06:26] <nolimitsoya_> haxality, you might want to take a look at 'man shred' first, or things will take ages
[06:26] <nolimitsoya_> haxality, one pass and then zeroes should be plenty
[06:26] <nolimitsoya_> the default is 25passes i think...
[06:27] <nolimitsoya_> can an xfs filesystem be grown towards the beginning of a drive?
[06:27] <kitche> nolimitsoya_: don't think so of course I have never seen a filesystem got forward it's always at the end
[06:28] <nolimitsoya_> kitche, ok, thats a drag :( thank you for responding though :)
[06:28] <nolimitsoya_> kitche, might i move it then? :)
[06:29] <fadumpt> hey ya'll
[06:29] <kitche> you can move a partition I used to do it when I was using Mandrake 10.1
[06:29] <nolimitsoya_> kitche, how would i do that?
[06:30] <Nontitle> Mandrake was a better name than Mandriva
[06:31] <x-r00t-x> how do i install cgi for php?
[06:31] <kitche> nolimitsoya_: not sure how to do it with gparted I use qtparted myself
[06:31] <fadumpt> apt-get ??
[06:31] <burner> x-r00t-x: you need a webserver set up first and foremote
[06:31] <burner> foremost that is
[06:31] <fadumpt> add the thingy to your apache config
[06:31] <packagedeliverer> merry xmas !
[06:31] <nolimitsoya_> kitche, ok, well with both qtparted and gparted the 'move' option is greyed out
[06:31] <x-r00t-x> burner, everything done then?
[06:32] <fadumpt> cgi should already be installed
[06:32] <x-r00t-x> for php?
[06:32] <burner> x-r00t-x: no, you have to edit your apache.conf
[06:32] <nolimitsoya_> kitche, i was up all last night trying to figure this out, booting one live partition editing system after another :)
[06:32] <fadumpt> you just need to add the folder
[06:32] <fadumpt> to your web folder area
[06:32] <fadumpt> thingy
[06:32] <GreyGhost> merry christmas once again !!!!!
[06:32] <x-r00t-x> burner, where is that conf located ?
[06:32] <fadumpt> merry christmas
[06:32] <fadumpt>  /etc/apache2
[06:32] <fadumpt> i think
[06:32] <fadumpt> depends on your version
[06:33] <fadumpt>  /etc/apache if it's 1.0
[06:33] <packagedeliverer> merry xmas GreyGhost =D
[06:33] <x-r00t-x> tnx
[06:33] <needhelp> I have tried to install three different Windows PC-games on ubuntu. None of them will work. Here is the erros for one of them: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38780/
[06:34] <GreyGhost> packagedeliverer ,same to u !!!!
[06:34] <nolimitsoya_> needhelp, most games doesnt work at all. check the list of compatible applications on winehq, and perhaps considder cedega
[06:34] <nolimitsoya_> *-d
[06:34] <needhelp> Here is another error I get when I try to run the PC game: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38781/
[06:34] <ironfroggy> what packages do i need so i can mount a usb drive?
[06:35] <nolimitsoya_> ironfroggy, they should be plug and pray...
[06:35] <fadumpt> usb drives should just mount
[06:35] <needhelp> nolimitsoya_: all three games are listed on wine hqs homepage
[06:35] <fadumpt> what fs?
[06:35] <nolimitsoya_> needhelp, yes, but with what levelof functionality, and installed using what method?
[06:35] <ironfroggy> well, they arent. i dont have the drivers for usb storage devices.
[06:35] <ironfroggy> so there are no devices to mount
[06:35] <fadumpt> all of my ubuntu installs mount usb drives without a problem
[06:35] <nolimitsoya_> ironfroggy, is this a vanilla ubuntu install? what version?
[06:35] <cyphase> same herw
[06:35] <fadumpt> I had a problem with a ext3 external backup drive once though
[06:35] <cyphase> here*
[06:35] <ironfroggy> its kubuntu
[06:36] <nolimitsoya_> ironfroggy, what version?
[06:36] <fadumpt> but fat32 usb drives work good (gnome based ubuntu that is)
[06:36] <ironfroggy> but they are being no help, so i need to know how its done in ubuntu.
[06:36] <fadumpt> Kubuntu is inferior that's why :-D
[06:36] <ironfroggy> it was 6.06 i think
[06:36] <ironfroggy> fadumpt: normally id stand up for it, but right now im just worried about recovering the lost photos of my childs first time opening presents on the holiday.
[06:36] <fadumpt> ubuntu 6.06 (gnome) mounted fine, iunno about kubuntu
[06:37] <needhelp> nolimitsoya_: what do you mean? here is one of the games I try run with wine (installing worked fine): http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=3892
[06:37] <fadumpt> oh :(
[06:37] <fadumpt> do you have another computer
[06:37] <fadumpt> just to recover the pictures
[06:37] <fadumpt> before doing anything rash to mount the drive
[06:37] <cyphase> ironfroggy: does your computer even see the volume?
[06:37] <kitche> needhelp: it says the game itself does not work for Sonix Heroes
[06:37] <GreyGhost> needhelp , i suppose this is one of em? http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=5977
[06:37] <infidel> !ati
[06:37] <fadumpt> hop in a terminal and go to /dev
[06:37] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:38] <nolimitsoya_> needhelp, http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=5977
[06:38] <GreyGhost> needhelp ,read the what desn't work part...
[06:38] <nolimitsoya_> needhelp, see, that game isnt supported :)
[06:38] <kitche> Sonix/Sonic
[06:38] <ironfroggy> no
[06:38] <fadumpt> frog?
[06:38] <fadumpt> oh okay
[06:38] <ironfroggy> im on vacation, no oter computer
[06:39] <fadumpt> anything in /dev?
[06:39] <nolimitsoya_> needhelp, 'installs'='yes', 'runs'='no', 'rating'='garbage' :)
[06:39] <fadumpt> like hda2 or sda1
[06:39] <fadumpt> stuff like that?
[06:39] <ironfroggy> no.  i looked. the only scsi devices is my harddrive.
[06:39] <fadumpt> hmm
[06:39] <ironfroggy> like i said, i dont have the usb drivers.
[06:39] <Siph0n> when i go to file->Open Disc, is Device Name suppose to be blank? cause it is.... could that be why my movies arent playing?
[06:39] <ironfroggy> i dont know which packages contain those.
[06:39] <fadumpt> what kind of usb drive is it?
[06:39] <fadumpt> oh
[06:39] <nolimitsoya_> !dvd | Siph0n
[06:39] <ubotu> Siph0n: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[06:39] <Siph0n> btw: im talking about in vlc
[06:39] <Siph0n> ok
[06:39] <fadumpt> usb drivers should be standard
[06:39] <ironfroggy> its a camera, but presents as a standard usb storage device.
[06:39] <nolimitsoya_> Siph0n, you need the deryption service
[06:39] <fadumpt> !usb
[06:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:40] <nolimitsoya_> *decryption
[06:40] <needhelp> GreyGhost: youre right. But Im also having trouble with this game: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=5252
[06:40] <ironfroggy> its a Canan Rebel XT, if that makes a difference.
[06:41] <GreyGhost> needhelp ,what version of wine?
[06:41] <Siph0n> nolimitsoya_, i already got the decryption thing
[06:41] <needhelp> GreyGhost: Both http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=5252 and http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=5962 should work. But not for me
[06:41] <kitche> ironfroggy: usb drivers are in the kernel\
[06:41] <fadumpt> oh camera :)
[06:41] <fadumpt> yeah that helps
[06:41] <nolimitsoya_> Siph0n, but is it enabled? is your drive region locked?
[06:41] <needhelp> Wine 0.9.9
[06:41] <nolimitsoya_> Siph0n, i suggest you go through the faq i messaged you
[06:41] <kitche> ironfroggy: well you might have to do some googling to figure out how to get that camera working on Linux
[06:41] <fadumpt> cameras should just work too :-/
[06:42] <fadumpt> stupid KDE
[06:42] <GreyGhost> needhelp ,try updating to 0.9.13. they have been tested with it u know...
[06:42] <nolimitsoya_> needhelp, why dont you try .9.28?
[06:42] <Siph0n> nolimit: i going through the faq now
[06:42] <kitche> ironfroggy: it's a flash memory camera?
[06:42] <GreyGhost> needhelp ,yeah the latest one.... maybe features were added to wine needed by those games....
[06:43] <ironfroggy> kitche: but is every single driver included by default?
[06:43] <fadumpt> I'm gonna guess you don't have a card reader or nuthin like that right?
[06:43] <needhelp> nolimitsoya_:  'sudo apt-get install wine' for upgrading?
[06:43] <ironfroggy> i cant google.
[06:43] <Naik0> What is "fireglcontrolpanel" and how do i get it?
[06:43] <nolimitsoya_> needhelp, add the winehq repo first
[06:43] <ironfroggy> very bad connection. irc is about the only thing that works over the lag i have to deal with.
[06:43] <nolimitsoya_> needhelp, http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[06:43] <needhelp> sudo apt-get install wine sais: "wine is already the newest version."
[06:43] <nolimitsoya_> needhelp, when youve added the repo, do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wine
[06:44] <nolimitsoya_> needhelp, please pay attention
[06:44] <Nontitle> do you have the wine repo in your sources.list?
[06:44] <kitche> ironfroggy: every driver that the kernel supports is either a module or built into the kernel, with camera you have to do some digging to figure out how to use it
[06:44] <Nontitle> guys, what can i use to reconfigure GRUB?
[06:44] <nolimitsoya_> !grub | Nontitle
[06:44] <ubotu> Nontitle: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:44] <GreyGhost> needhelp , http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[06:45] <GreyGhost> needhelp ,just follow that and u shuuld be fine....
[06:45] <nolimitsoya_> GreyGhost, ive already pointed him there, along with a description of things to do:)
[06:45] <bashir> hey
[06:45] <_Brandon_> hi, how can i pass other boot option to the installation cd?
[06:45] <nilsl> Somebody got a good sources.list-file?
[06:45] <fadumpt> http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=2828&cat=all
[06:45] <fadumpt> that might be a start froggy
[06:45] <Nontitle> i just got a 160gb hard drive and installed xp on 80gb, then installed linux on 80gb, now when i go to load up GRUB it says error 17
[06:45] <Nontitle> !grub
[06:45] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:45] <GreyGhost>  nolimitsoya_ ,oh missed that ...i was in another #,,,,
[06:46] <bashir> how come when i add programs to my startup in hte sessions config in the preferences menu they disappear on reboot?
[06:46] <elysium444> Is it safe to use ntfs on external hd?
[06:46] <dm> Anyone know how to install Gimpshop properly, its installed, but is not changing gimp to look like Adobe Photoshop
[06:46] <kitche> bashir: when you logout shutdown do you have the save session checkbox marked?
[06:46] <nolimitsoya_> elysium444, its just as "safe" as using it on an internal drive
[06:46] <elysium444> so?
[06:46] <frogger0> hi!  how do i solve this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38777/     http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38778/
[06:47] <nolimitsoya_> elysium444, so what?
[06:47] <frogger0> i do sudo apt-get update and thats what i get on 1.
[06:47] <elysium444> is ntfs safe?
[06:47] <bashir> no, the automatically save changes to session is not checked
[06:47] <dm> elysium444 very, but linux cant write to it ,
[06:47] <bashir> it needs to be?
[06:47] <Nontitle> somewhat
[06:47] <kitche> bashir: yes it needs to be checked
[06:47] <nolimitsoya_> elysium444, its pretty much the crappiest journaling fs in existance, and linux support is experimental so far, but mostly functional
[06:47] <frogger0> and on second i add key but still stays the same
[06:47] <bashir> ok thanks
[06:48] <nolimitsoya_> dm,  elysium444, linux can write
[06:48] <elysium444> thanks
[06:48] <dm> nolimitsoya yes, but its not safe
[06:48] <nolimitsoya_> dm, depends on you concept of safe
[06:49] <dm> nolimitsoya :P
[06:49] <dm> Anyone know how to install Gimpshop properly, its installed, but is not changing gimp to look like Adobe Photoshop
[06:49] <nolimitsoya_> dm, with the latest fuse implementations like captive (thats as safe as windows ntfs) and ntfs-3g (very few reports of failure on 386 arch) its not russian roulette anymore
[06:50] <fadumpt> if you are still withus ironfroggy, try this too:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=267683&highlight=kubuntu+usb+camera
[06:50] <bashir> with that checked it just loads what you had open before, not what was listed in the startup tab
[06:50] <bashir> nor does it save the additional entries i put into the tab
[06:51] <dm> nolimitsoya_ ah wasnt aware of that :P but i try to avoid NTFS like the plague now.
[06:51] <juano> merry xmas everyone
[06:51] <nolimitsoya_> dm, thats still a good thing, since the fs is crap in every way :P
[06:51] <Warbo> Hi, just wondering: Are people experiencing "403: Foridden... your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application." when going on Google, or is it something dodgy with Epiphany? I have been mangling my search terms for the past couple of weeks to get around this :( (I am using 64bit Edgy with all of the latest updates by the way)
[06:52] <kitche> Warbo: your probably using bad dns servers
[06:52] <dm> nolimitsoya_ *agree
[06:52] <needhelp> Another wine problem when trying to run a Windows game: A error message occurs saying: "Please insert the original disc instead of a backup. See www.securom.com/copy for more details". Even though I DO use the original CD...
[06:52] <dm> Is there a specific Gimp channel?
[06:52] <needhelp> dm: #gimp
[06:52] <nolimitsoya_> needhelp, thats because of copyprotection
[06:52] <fadumpt>  #gimp has 36 people in it
[06:52] <bashir> how do i set the programs i want to startup, but nessessarily being the same ones i have open when i log out?
[06:52] <kitche> needhelp: that is the copyright on the cd, and only cedega really helps in that matter
[06:52] <dm> needhelp lol thanks
[06:53] <nolimitsoya_> needhelp, as i said, very few games actualy work. check out cedega, but your best bet is a dual boot
[06:53] <tomce> hi, did anyone try to transfer contacts with a motorola razr?
[06:53] <nolimitsoya_> tomce, no
[06:53] <nolimitsoya_> tomce, well, im sure someone did, but i didnt :)
[06:54] <Warbo> bashir: GNOME's startup programs are in System>Preferences>Sessions>Startup Programs, and I think there is an option (probably buried deep withing gconf-editor) to restart the applcations open when you last logged out
[06:54] <wkerzend> anyone can help me with grub? thanks in advance
[06:54] <tomce> nolimitsoya_: what's the best idea for trying to do it anyway? which program?
[06:54] <nolimitsoya_> tomce, i have no clue :)
[06:54] <needhelp> nolimitsoya, kitche: That game is this game: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=5252
[06:54] <infidel> can someon explain this? sudo aptitude install module-assistant build-essential debhelper debconf dh-make fakeroot libstdc++5 linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:54] <Warbo> wkerzend: What's the problem, maybe someone knows the solution?
[06:54] <bashir> k thanks, i will look in gconf-editor
[06:54] <tomce> nolimitsoya_: thanks for you help anyway :-)
[06:54] <nolimitsoya_> needhelp, my last awnser is still valid. stop trying :) you just get your head hurt from banging it to the wall
[06:55] <wkerzend> Warbo: i get a grub error 15 after running windows, i had that error before but i cant recall what I did to fix it, i have a rescue op
[06:55] <needhelp> nolimitsoya: okay... but wineHQ's hp sais it works fine...
[06:55] <GreyGhost> infidel , i think u have to replace $(uname -r) with what the console returns when u run uname -r
[06:55] <nolimitsoya_> !grub | wkerzend
[06:55] <ubotu> wkerzend: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:56] <GreyGhost> infidel ,that i believe will be ur kernel vesion ....
[06:56] <[BTF] Chm0d> merry xmas everyone.  Can anyone tell me if they have problems installing the 9746 nvidia drivers on unbuntu edgy?
[06:56] <nolimitsoya_> needhelp, but you are using an ages old version of wine. update!
[06:56] <juano> wkerzend: try installing grub again
[06:56] <Warbo> bashir: Just checked. In gconf-editor go in apps>gnome-session>options>auto_save_session and tick it
[06:56] <bashir> thanks
[06:56] <needhelp> nolimitsoya_: I just did, wine-0.9.28
[06:56] <nolimitsoya_> needhelp, have you done the winecfg thing?
[06:57] <wkerzend> juano: ill google that thanks
[06:57] <needhelp> been there yes, not 100% sure if everything is set up correct thu
[06:57] <juano> wkerzend: k..
[06:57] <juano> wkerzend: ill try to ocme up with something
[06:57] <nolimitsoya_> needhelp, then a regerssion bug might be in order. as i said, gaming under wine isnt very functional, at all
[06:57] <davean> yes, I had problems with the 9746 driver on edgy.  I just used the synaptic driver instead.
[06:57] <[BTF] Chm0d> http://pastebin.ca/291741
[06:57] <[BTF] Chm0d> this is my log
[06:58] <[BTF] Chm0d> oh davean i see
[06:58] <[BTF] Chm0d> i dont want to use the synaptic driver Id like to keep running my beryl ;)
[06:58] <infidel> GreyGhost: ok i'll give it a shot
[06:58] <dm> ok,.. how do i uninstall something without apt trying to remove ubuntu-desktop
[06:58] <needhelp> nolimitsoya. okay, thanks for your information
[06:59] <dm> sudo apt-get remove libgimp2.0 gimp-data , and its trying to uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[06:59] <tomce> how do i transfer contacts to my cell phone?
[06:59] <kdjfs> anyone here playing counter strike?
[06:59] <kitche> dm: ubuntu-desktop can be removed it's just a meta package
[06:59] <davean> I ended up reinstalling edgy after putting on 9746.  But the synaptic version worked after editing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.
[06:59] <rambo3> kdjfs, /j #wine-hq
[06:59] <dm> kitche which means?
[06:59] <GreyGhost> infidel ,i believe u wanted that command to work right? or did u want an eplanation as to what it did?
[06:59] <[BTF] Chm0d> hmm ill dive deeper into the problem see what everyone is saying
[06:59] <rambo3> kdjfs, /j #winehq
[07:00] <kitche> dm: it just pulls in the dependencies to have a full gnome setup
[07:00] <kitche> dm: the real package for the desktop is just called gnome
[07:00] <kdjfs> tq
[07:00] <dm> kitche ah thanks
[07:00] <davean> I'm pretty new to ubuntu, so I don't know what beryl is. ;)
[07:01] <kdjfs> rambo3: only me
[07:01] <[1] knight17> bery will make your linux box like vista
[07:01] <leo_> Merry Christmas etc, everyone. My sister wants to try ubuntu on her very old packard bell pc. The only thing that's making me wary of letting her is that she can only use wifi and i've never managed to set up a wireless connection successfully before. what do people think my chances of getting ubuntu online with Packard Bell PC that's over 4 years old, with 128mb of RAM, a 902MHz processor, and dongle Belkin dongle/router?
[07:01] <infidel> GreyGhost: trying to get the ati installer to work like on the webpage
[07:01] <[1] knight17> Daeley, but not exactly it has a good 3d interface
[07:01] <juano> wkerzend: try this http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=122656
[07:01] <juano> wkerzend: hope it helps
[07:02] <old-monk> !be
[07:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about be - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:02] <old-monk> !nl
[07:02] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[07:02] <nolimitsoya_> !beryl | davean
[07:02] <GreyGhost> infidel ,ahh ...k ... that should get u the tools needed to compile it then ....
[07:02] <ubotu> davean: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[07:02] <fo0b4er> hi, can someone help me get my USB mouse to work?
[07:02] <juano> hi fo0b4er
[07:03] <fo0b4er> hi
[07:03] <GreyGhost> time for me to go....cya all...
[07:03] <davean> Thanks for the info on beryl.
[07:03] <juano> fo0b4er: OS?
[07:03] <fo0b4er> xubuntu
[07:04] <fo0b4er> there's nobody in #xubuntu...
[07:05] <nolimitsoya_> fo0b4er, there is 78 ppl in there :)
[07:05] <godtvisken> Anyone know about MiniDV cameras + Linux? Specifically the Canon Elura 100
[07:05] <fo0b4er> i know but nobody's talkin
[07:05] <juano> fo0b4er: does serial mouse work ook?
[07:05] <fo0b4er> its a laptop, i have a touchpad
[07:06] <leo_> what do people think my chances of getting ubuntu online with a Packard Bell PC that's over 4 years old, with 128mb of RAM, a 902MHz processor, and a Belkin dongle/router? I've never managed to set up a wireless network before...
[07:06] <fo0b4er> and the touchpad works fine
[07:06] <juano> ahh ok
[07:07] <rambo3> !fluxbuntu |leo_
[07:07] <ubotu> leo_: fluxbuntu is a LPAE-standard compliant, Ubuntu-based derivative that maintains the goal of running on a wide range of mobile devices and computers (low-end & high-end). It is lightweight, swift and efficient. | Support Channel: #fluxbuntu on freenode | Homepage: http://fluxbuntu.org/
[07:07] <juano> fo0b4er: let me see if i can come up with something
[07:07] <yann> hi; got a problem with my wlan card (iwp2100): i wrecked the driver while wanting to get it to work in WPA and now i "killed" eth1 (previously wlan)
[07:07] <fo0b4er> ok, thanks juano
[07:08] <rambo3> !madwifi > leo_
[07:08] <leo_> ubotu: i'll give it a look. thanks.
[07:09] <QwertyM> leo_, ubotu's a bot :)
[07:10] <teperdono> hola
[07:10] <harrykar> ciao
[07:10] <rambo3> selam aleikum
[07:10] <leo_> QwertyM: Got that. ta.
[07:10] <IdleOne> bonjour
[07:10] <QwertyM> hehe :p
[07:10] <yann> someone knows how to check the hardware again like during installation?
[07:11] <harrykar> hi all guys
[07:11] <yann> like re-run install in order to restore the drivers?
[07:11] <sheri> i just got a new moniter and when i try to boot with it xorg wont start
[07:12] <rambo3> fixres > sheri
[07:12] <IdleOne> yann,  backup /home and anything else you want to save then reinstall
[07:12] <yann> ok
[07:12] <yann> no other way?
[07:12] <Courtney> Hey guys my sister deleted the pics off her sd card and now it won't d/l pics from camera to sd or sd to comp what the hell man
[07:12] <IdleOne> yann,  I dont know any
[07:12] <yann> idleone thx
[07:13] <binarydigit> Courtney: try formatting the card
[07:13] <Courtney> Can anyone offer advice
[07:13] <sa1k0> hey
[07:13] <yann> idleone do you know if thee is a network install possible?
[07:13] <sa1k0> can anybody help me with something
[07:13] <rambo3> yann, what do you mean restore drivers ? drivers is microsoft work , modules are in kernel  if you think of those reinstalling kernel maby
[07:13] <juano> fo0b4er: http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/July2005/article383.shtml#383lfindex1
[07:13] <juano> fo0b4er: try that
[07:13] <fo0b4er> thanks juano, ill have a look
[07:13] <sa1k0> can anybody help me with something?
[07:14] <IdleOne> sa1k0, ask your question
[07:14] <yann> rambo3 my prob is i wrecked my wlan when trying to get it to work in WPA
[07:14] <sheri> is there a way to boot in a safe graphics mode
[07:14] <rambo3> yann ask ubotu about madwifi
[07:15] <IdleOne> !madwifi | yann
[07:15] <ubotu> yann: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:15] <Lynoure> sa1k0: everyone here could help you with something, but for knowing whether they can help you with your problem, you need to tell what the problem is
[07:15] <yann> thx all :)
[07:15] <Zaggynl> why won't the sound work in ts2? it worked before
[07:15] <Zaggynl> no errors in terminal
[07:15] <nolimitsoya_> how do i get a usb minolta 2300w printer working on ubuntu? the wizard seems to detecs things just fine till i click the last apply button; then it just sits there a moment, then exits without adding any printer :/
[07:16] <lynucs> hi all, got a problem with sound.. by playing music  there are allways some shjort clip sounds. the whole soundtrack
[07:16] <sa1k0> I am running open suse, I am trying to install bitchx , how do you do it, im a newbie
[07:16] <lynucs> using onbaord realtek ac97 soundcard
[07:16] <IdleOne> sa1k0, try #suse
[07:16] <lynucs> 5.1
[07:16] <Lynoure> sa1k0: You'd get better help from the opensuse channels, then...
[07:16] <lynucs> i mena click sounds
[07:17] <lynucs> or sth like that
[07:17] <rambo3> you computer is not grounded ?
[07:17] <lynucs> mein?
[07:17] <lynucs> mine?
[07:17] <rambo3> wi
[07:17] <sucks05> There was an error starting GNOME Setting Daemon. any one can help me ??
[07:17] <fo0b4er> juano, what am i supposed to do exactly?
[07:17] <Klowner> Google hasn't turned up any answers for me, so I figure I'll ask here. I upgraded my laptop to Edgy and ever since, whenever I go to hibernate the screen turns off but the harddrive activity light doesn't light up like it's dumping mem to swap, and it just sits there without turning off. Anyone have any idea what may cause that?
[07:17] <rambo3> can it be static electricity that cousing clicking sounds ?
[07:17] <Pie-rate> how would i burn a divx video/ac3 audio avi file to a vcd on ubuntu?
[07:18] <lynucs> well i dont think so, because they don't appear in windows
[07:18] <Taser> hallo
[07:18] <Zaggynl> When I try 'Sound Recorder', I get an error: 'Your audio settings are invalid, set them better yadda yadda'
[07:18] <Zaggynl> why does this happen out of the blue? it worked perfectly a little while ago
[07:18] <Zaggynl> teamspeak also quit working with the mic
[07:18] <juano> fo0b4er: try editing this file: /etc/X11/XF86Config
[07:18] <Lynoure> sucks05: Sorry, your screen does not show in my surveillence monitors, so could you tell what the error was?
[07:19] <fo0b4er> juano, ok
[07:19] <rambo3> lynucs, can you check aux and such in alsamixer and see if it helps
[07:19] <IdleOne> Lynoure, lol
[07:19] <lynucs> yeah, i played with alsamixer settings about a hour now
[07:19] <juano> fo0b4er: and it seems you have to go where it sais mouse1 and change the protocol to IMPS/2
[07:19] <lynucs> but what exactly do you mean
[07:20] <Zaggynl> how do I restart all sound daemons?
[07:20] <sucks05> Lynoure : the error message like this
[07:20] <sucks05> There was an error starting GNOME Setting Daemon.
[07:20] <sucks05> Some things, such as themes, sounds, or background settings may not work correctly.
[07:20] <sucks05> The last error message was :
[07:20] <sucks05> Did not recive a reply. Possible causes include:the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expire,  or the network connection was broken.
[07:20] <sucks05> GNOME will still try to restart the Settings Daemon next time you log in.
[07:20] <Zaggynl> I don't want to reboot just to get my $!)(Uin microphone to work
[07:20] <Courtney> binarydigit: It still says internal mem full on camera though so I don't think my cam's recognizing its even there
[07:20] <fo0b4er> juano, i dont have that file
[07:20] <Lynoure> sucks05: oops, into pastebin next time, please
[07:20] <fadumpt> binarydigit is in here?
[07:21] <sucks05> ok thx
[07:21] <Lynoure> sucks05: Does that persist after you logout - login?
[07:21] <lynucs> anyone knows how to make that clicksounds disappear?? :(
[07:22] <Courtney> binarydigit: It still says internal mem full on camera though so I don't think my cam's recognizing its even there
[07:22] <sucks05> Lynoure : after login my system run so slowly
[07:22] <rambo3> lynucs, there is alot of stuff that is not configured in alsa by default . you might check alsa page and see under HW and drivers to set it up properly
[07:22] <Zaggynl> how do I restart the sound daemons?
[07:22] <rambo3> alsactl restart i think
[07:23] <lynucs> mybe you could tell me after which keywords i should search? or what MIGHT be not configured/installed properly?
[07:23] <Courtney> I tried reformatting to no avail
[07:23] <juano> fo0b4er: ok.. im checking.. cant find anything still
[07:23] <konam> I have a question
[07:24] <rambo3> lynucs, you card name ?
[07:24] <fo0b4er> juano, ok, thanks
[07:25] <konam> there's some plans to make ubuntu available in the Mac-Intel architecture? or plans to make GNU/Linux available in the Intel-Macs without bootcamp?
[07:25] <infidel> anyone know why i get this? sudo aptitude install module-assistant build-essential debhelper debconf dh-make fakeroot libstdc++5 linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:25] <infidel> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Dec 26 11:22:47 2006
[07:25] <rambo3> !timestamp
[07:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about timestamp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:26] <Lynoure> infidel: I can tell you how to fix it... but cause can vary
[07:26] <rambo3> infidel, search forums for timestamp too far in the future .
[07:26] <rambo3> that becouse your system clock is not set right or wasnt set right under inmstallation
[07:26] <infidel> Lynoure: how?
[07:26] <lynucs> rambo wait a sec
[07:26] <Lynoure> infidel: do  sudo -k   to fix it.
[07:27] <lynucs> plz
[07:27] <wkerzend> juano: are you here? sorry got disco by isp
[07:27] <lynucs> Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[07:27] <juano> wkerzend:
[07:27] <lynucs> thats what lspci shows
[07:27] <sucks05> how to play .flv in ubuntu ?
[07:28] <Lynoure> infidel: one likely cause is drifting system clock and ntp changing the time backwards since last sudo
[07:28] <infidel> Lynoure: na that didn't do it, it just gave me another timestamp error
[07:28] <saif> hello
[07:28] <Lynoure> infidel: which one?
[07:28] <juano> wkerzend: try this http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=122656
[07:28] <saif> I nedd urdent help
[07:28] <saif> I need urgent help
[07:28] <konam> sucks05 you can convert that file
[07:28] <IdleOne> saif,  ask a question
[07:28] <infidel> Lynoure: sudo -k sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Dec 26 11:22:47 2006
[07:29] <wkerzend> juano: had a look at that already but didnt help
[07:29] <konam> sucks05 i think that was 'ffmpeg -i *.flv *.avi' or something alike
[07:29] <rambo3> lynucs, you got the same driver  as mine
[07:29] <Lynoure> infidel: try with  sudo -v  then
[07:29] <juano> wkerzend: k
[07:29] <rambo3> !paste > rambo3
[07:29] <infidel> Lynoure: same error
[07:30] <Lynoure> infidel: if that does not work, I cannot help you today (too ill to dig deeply)
[07:30] <konam> sucks05 the * is the name of the file, whatever it could be. but you need to have install the ffmpeg app
[07:30] <haxality> for some reason I can't copy/paste files from my hard drive to my external hard drive in nautilus
[07:30] <haxality> I can do it in the terminal
[07:30] <haxality> but I can't use nautilus, the option is greyed out
[07:30] <kitche> infidel: your time is probabably ahead of what sudo thinks your time is
[07:30] <fo0b4er> juano: i have to go now, any other ideas?
[07:30] <saif> I am running hoary and upgraded libc from the latest feisty reposotaries and also the kernel but unable to boot through the new kernel
[07:30] <sucks05> konam : thx bro i will try later
[07:30] <infidel> kitche: should i just do the command as root
[07:30] <webmaren> hey guys
[07:31] <saif> I am also unable to downgrade libc
[07:31] <kitche> saif: if you are hoary and you updated to libc that feisty uses then your system will be broken
[07:31] <webmaren> saif: what release are you on
[07:31] <kitche> infidel: or set your time to be correct with hwclock --systohc as root
[07:31] <juano> fo0b4er: sorry , cant find anything related.. it should of searched it at install
[07:32] <saif> synaptic is showing 17 packages broken
[07:32] <juano> fo0b4er: be back soon maybe i got somethin
[07:32] <saif> I am using 5.04
[07:32] <webmaren> saif: what happened to you?
[07:32] <fo0b4er> juano, ok thanks for your help, i'll be back in a few hours
[07:32] <juano> fo0b4er: ok
[07:32] <saif> I am unable to upgrade any package
[07:32] <sheri> i just got a new moniter and i cant boot with it xorg wont start......it finds my screen but its say there arnt any configurations that will work with the moniter
[07:32] <sheri> help
[07:33] <webmaren> saif: can you backup your files
[07:33] <saif> yes
[07:33] <webmaren> saif: can you burn an iso?
[07:33] <saif> no
[07:33] <webmaren> :(
[07:33] <Amadeo> The Desktop Ubuntu CD is also the Live CD?
[07:33] <kitche> sheri: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:33] <CotRo|eR> !mount
[07:33] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[07:33] <kitche> Amadeo: yes
[07:33] <saif> I dont have a cd writer
[07:33] <Amadeo> kitche: Thank you :)
[07:33] <webmaren> saif: what about command-line
[07:34] <CotRo|eR> !DiskMounter
[07:34] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[07:34] <webmaren> !burniso
[07:34] <ubotu> To burn an ISO image of a CD in Linux, Mac OS or Windows, read the howto at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[07:34] <saif> I started xchat from the command line
[07:34] <infidel> kitche: wow i can't use sudo at all how do i become root
[07:34] <webmaren> can you use the burniso command
[07:34] <psyber> merry xmass
[07:34] <saif> also i cnat use virtual console
[07:35] <saif> also i cant use virtual console
[07:35] <psyber> is anyone in here familiar with wine?
[07:35] <lupine_85> psyber: wine <file>.exe
[07:35] <webmaren> can you download the edgy iso file?
[07:36] <kitche> infidel: rescue mode when you reboot is the onyl way really
[07:36] <Maheanuu> Trying to set up Raid5 array to run under Dapper, nothing but probs...  Being a noob, I am finding that I am knowing just enough to be really out of control
[07:36] <rambo3> psyber, /j #winehq
[07:36] <lupine_85> doesn't work with a lot of stuff
[07:36] <webmaren> saif: can you download the edgy iso file?
[07:36] <saif> I can dowonload the edgy iso file
[07:36] <kitche> infidel: then once your in rescue mode use hwclock to sync your hardware time with system time
[07:36] <psyber> ahh thanks I was wondering if there was a wine IRC channel .. thanks rambo
[07:36] <saif> but I don't have cd writer
[07:36] <infidel> kitche: okay thanks
[07:37] <webmaren> cdrecord doesn't work?
[07:37] <webmaren> oh wait
[07:37] <webmaren> do you not have a burner drive?
[07:37] <saif> no
[07:37] <webmaren> okay
[07:37] <Maheanuu> saif, do you have any USB flash devices?
[07:37] <webmaren> that could be problematic
[07:38] <saif> only 512mb
[07:38] <webmaren> saif: do you have the original CD you installed from
[07:38] <zetotof> hello happy christmas to everybody
[07:38] <saif> yes
[07:38] <Lynoure> infidel: I'd maybe remove /var/run/sudo/yourusername while I'm at it (cannot remember whether it gets cleared by reboot, and take this with a grain of salt, like I said, I'm ill)
[07:38] <CotRo|eR> how do i mount ext3 ???
[07:38] <webmaren> can you back up all your important files
[07:38] <Maheanuu> you don't have a gig device then?
[07:38] <CotRo|eR> !ext3
[07:38] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[07:38] <saif> yes
[07:38] <saif> may on other partition
[07:38] <saif> may be on other partition
[07:38] <needhelp> My /dev/hda is 70GiB, where 11GiB is free. Which program do I use to make a new Windows-partition (VFAT) from the free diskspace?
[07:39] <webmaren> saif: ...the idea is to be a complete reinstall
[07:39] <webmaren> needhelp: do you have another bootable disk?
[07:39] <Maheanuu> do you have a doze puter up and running where you can download and burn...  Or, are you on the puter now that is set up under Ubuntu??
[07:40] <Blissex> needhelp: 'parted' or 'gparted' or 'fdisk' or 'cfdisk' or 'sfdisk' for example
[07:40] <saif> I think I should get a cd of edgy and do a fresh install. That would be better
[07:40] <webmaren> needhelp: not smart to partition the disk you are booting from
[07:40] <webmaren> saif: shipping on those CDs take 6-8 weeks
[07:40] <needhelp> webmaren: yes, /dev/sda7 I think
[07:41] <webmaren> saif: you have any friends that can burn it for you
[07:41] <Maheanuu> Saif, where are you located, and what flavor are you looking for?
[07:41] <webmaren> needhelp: then you should boot on that partition and use one of the tools blissex suggested to partition your disk
[07:41] <needhelp> webmaren: dont think its booting from /dev/hda
[07:42] <saif> Or I should by a new cd writer and download the iso image and burn the image on cd , then install from it
[07:42] <webmaren> needhelp: okay then, as long as it's not, then you should be good
[07:42] <saif> India
[07:42] <webmaren> saif: depends on whether you want to wait for the CDs or spend money on a burner
[07:43] <un_operateur> or do it without the CDs altogether
[07:43] <saif> how can i do it
[07:43] <un_operateur> saif, you could do a netboot with a floppy
[07:44] <SilentDis> happy Chrismahanukwanzakah everyone :)
[07:44] <orangefly> what would be the best way to backup work files to my home server....???....
[07:44] <saif> Upgrading from one version to another version has become a nightmare for me
[07:44] <un_operateur> orangefly, how many MiB a day?
[07:44] <lupine_85> orangefly: rsync :)
[07:45] <lupine_85> rdiff is also good for large stuff
[07:45] <orangefly> not sure....multiple users, so estimate high to be safe....
[07:46] <orangefly> i basicly want to do offsite storage for my work....
[07:47] <lupine_85> rdiff lets you do incremental backups, which is cool
[07:47] <un_operateur> orangefly, you could implement a full backup server with bacula or amanda so to make it more manageable
[07:47] <SilentDis> orangefly, just an aside here... is this a corporation you're working for, or a self-propriatorship?
[07:47] <orangefly> non-profit charity....
[07:48] <godtvisken> Anyone know about MiniDV cameras + Linux? Specifically the Canon Elura 100. I got one for Yuletide but I don't want to use it unless I know it will work in Linux
[07:48] <Maheanuu> I am having probs with trying to get Raid5 set up on Dapper, The bios shows all 5 discs set up as raid, but Dapper is showing them as individual drives and not an array????
[07:48] <sinisterguy> how do you set the console colours for the virtual consoles
[07:48] <orangefly> i wouls love something web based for those people not very pc inclined....
[07:48] <SilentDis> orangefly, hmm...  you still might wanna bug management about the legality of it.  it's for a good cause, but some people are REALLY sue happy in the western world now :P
[07:49] <orangefly> sue for offsite backup....???....
[07:49] <SilentDis> orangefly, I'd almost say a cron job would better suit a large off-site backup chore.
[07:49] <SilentDis> orangefly, stupid, i know... but i've seen some VERY stupid lawsuits...
[07:49] <un_operateur> orangefly, wouldnt it be better to just have a client service backup each user's /home directory to the server rather than get the users to do it -- you know what user's are like, procrastination usually gets the better of them
[07:50] <lupine_85> orangefly: if the backup doesn't work, maybe?
[07:50] <CotRo|eR> !mount ext3
[07:50] <ubotu> mount: Tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems. In component main, is required. Version 2.12r-11ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 179 kB, installed size 400 kB
[07:50] <orangefly> i have client server....just thought it may be a good idea to have some sort of offsite....
[07:51] <un_operateur> orangefly, yea, i know what you mean -- in this case just have the backup server offsite
[07:51] <SilentDis> orangefly, or, if the backup does work, and they had personal data on the machine they didn't want 'shared'.  it's a slippery slope.  as i said, you just wanna be safe for your own good, and run it by management.
[07:52] <orangefly> i have no idea how to connect to an offsite server....i'm kind of new to linux....vpn or something similar....???....
[07:52] <un_operateur> orangefly, or if the organisation can afford it, you can have 2 backup servers, one onsite, another off -- the onsite one will suit for better/faster backups while the offsite guarantees redundancy
[07:53] <svu> how would I disable ipv6 in ubuntu? I tried setting up the alias (as in FAQs) - but still interfaces get ipv6 address and ipv6 module is loaded
[07:53] <orangefly> that's what i'm looking for....
[07:53] <SilentDis> orangefly, you could do it via a vpn, an ssh, ssl... all depends on how you're transfering the data, how much data, etc.
[07:53] <nolimitsoya> orangefly, rsync is good for offsite backups
[07:53] <nolimitsoya> ah, protcolls..
[07:53] <Przemcio78> hil, i'm going to install ubuntu (my first linux), is ubuntu very complicated?
[07:54] <un_operateur> orangefly, well, you can use either normal connectivity or a VPN if you seek security, it's all down to how much mileage you have
[07:54] <idlemind> przemcio78: no not at all
[07:54] <ironfroggy> where does a driver like usbstorage come from, package-wise?
[07:54] <nolimitsoya> Przemcio78, depends you your frame of reference :)
[07:54] <webmaren> prxemcio78: edgy install asks you five questions
[07:54] <gr3ml> svu:  why?
[07:54] <SilentDis> Przemcio78, ubuntu, in my opinion, is just about the EASIEST linux distro out there.  especially with a community like this.  VERY helpful to new users :)
[07:54] <orangefly> i'll check out rsync....does ssh work in a way other than terminal....most of these pople wouldn't have a prayer....
[07:54] <idlemind> ironfroggy: typically directly in the kernel
[07:54] <webmaren> prxemcio78: then you install
[07:54] <lupine_85> orangefly: you set it up to go automagically every day or so
[07:55] <Przemcio78> what questions?????
[07:55] <nolimitsoya> Przemcio78, id say ubuntu is easier to learn than windows, but since most people already know their way around windows, many have a hard time relearning :)
[07:55] <un_operateur> orangefly, you can use non-interactive SSH in scripts and so
[07:55] <idlemind> ironfroggy: i'm unfamiliar w/the ubuntu kernel format (only been on ubuntu 8 days) but you could check the kernel config to be sure
[07:55] <ironfroggy> idlemind: they are not compiled as modules?
[07:55] <svu> gr3ml, because mplayer gives funny ipv6 errors when I am trying to input rtsp stream
[07:55] <ironfroggy> where i see a copy of the kernel config then?
[07:55] <lupine_85> you could even write a pretty "backup NOW!" frontend for it in HTML+CSS if you liked
[07:55] <dcordes> is there any way to ssh to a box without having any port forwarded? im looking for some kind of workaround
[07:55] <IdleOne> Przemcio78, ubuntu can be complicated but for normal use you will find it to be alot easier then most linux distro's
[07:55] <orangefly> ok....i'll continue reading....
[07:55] <CotRo|eR> !diskmounter
[07:55] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[07:55] <orangefly> ty....
[07:55] <webmaren> prxemcio78: it's gotten a lot simpler in recent years
[07:56] <bulmer> what would be equivalent of fish:// in konqueror in nautilus?
[07:56] <ironfroggy> is there a way to query if a driver exists, module or builtin?
[07:56] <Przemcio78> is there ms office for ubuntu?
[07:56] <LinTux> I am trying to install a Belkin F5d700 card and I am getting this error - ERROR: Module bcm43xx does not exist in /proc/modules, what is the cure?
[07:56] <lupine_85> bulmer: there isn't one
[07:56] <orangefly> i only started using linux a few moths ago....i already have a file, print, email, and web server....linux is quite interesting....
[07:56] <bulmer> ironfroggy: if you know the name, do an lsmod
[07:56] <lupine_85> use sshfs instead
[07:56] <nolimitsoya> orangefly, my favourite is anacron and rsync in sweet junction. use any type of encrypted transer and you are set. :)
[07:56] <ironfroggy> bulmer: i tought that only listed modules
[07:56] <un_operateur> Przemcio78, there's no M$ office for ubuntu--- but you can run M$ office withing crossover office on ubuntu
[07:56] <IdleOne> Przemcio78,  there is Open Office check out openoffice.org
[07:57] <orangefly> cool....ty....
[07:57] <ironfroggy> but i do not see usbstorage in there. shouldnt it be?
[07:57] <webmaren> przemcio78: openoffice.org is very similar to ms office
[07:57] <lupine_85> ironfroggy: /boot/config.gz or /proc/config.gz
[07:57] <SilentDis> Przemcio78, openoffice.org is a full office suite, completely MS Office compatible
[07:57] <lupine_85> (or called something like that)
[07:57] <webmaren> przemcio78: it comes preinstalled
[07:57] <lupine_85> SilentDis: not completely
[07:57] <Przemcio78> i know openoffice but sadly ms office is 100 times better :(
[07:57] <lupine_85> not even close, in fact
[07:57] <LinTux> I am trying to install a Belkin F5d700 card and I am getting this error - ERROR: Module bcm43xx does not exist in /proc/modules, what is the cure?
[07:57] <spasticteapot> I'll admit that MS office is better than OpenOffice.
[07:57] <nolimitsoya> Przemcio78, then you might try koffice and abiword
[07:57] <SilentDis> lupine_85, for the majority of people, it is.  how many 'normal users' use activex in their spreadsheets?  lol
[07:57] <webmaren> przemcio78: how can ms office be 100x better
[07:57] <lupine_85> LinTux: modprobe bcm43xx
[07:58] <spasticteapot> However, there is no way in heck I'm spending $500 every three years!
[07:58] <webmaren> spasticteapot: maybe only in templates
[07:58] <lupine_85> SilentDis: go on then, import a trendline from OpenOffice Calc to MS Excel
[07:58] <nolimitsoya> Przemcio78, start by downloading the desktop cd, and boot it. then you can see for your self
[07:58] <spasticteapot> MS office has some advanced editing features that are very, very useful.
[07:58] <lupine_85> it doesn't happen
[07:58] <idlemind> przemcio78: i think they only beat openoffice w/access all the other programs i find easier than MS office (i use ms office at work all day and use openoffice at night)
[07:58] <lupine_85> almost /everyone/ uses trendline
[07:58] <SilentDis> lupine_85, ok, you have a point.  lol
[07:58] <ironfroggy> `gzip -c /boot/config-***` seems to be a binary
[07:58] <sinisterguy> how can i change the colors of the tty terminals?
[07:58] <un_operateur> maybe it is gzip -d ??
[07:58] <spasticteapot> They've actually got a specialized system for showing what's been added, what's been removed, and what's been edited.
[07:58] <lupine_85> SilentDis: and for scientific use (I'm a biology undergraduate), it's worse than useless :(
[07:58] <bulmer> ironfroggy: maybe use zcat
[07:59] <spasticteapot> Very useful for writing grants.
[07:59] <naelphin> how can i enable dri? i have an old rage pro card and direct rendering is disabled :/
[07:59] <spasticteapot> That said, OpenOffice is great for writing papers.
[07:59] <lupine_85> not when the differing fonts in MS and OO break your attractive presentation :p
[07:59] <nolimitsoya> SilentDis, lupine_85, Przemcio78 gnumeric has pretty good support for excell spreads
[07:59] <nolimitsoya> lupine_85, msttcorefonts package solves that :)
[07:59] <ironfroggy> says "not in gzip format"
[07:59] <lupine_85> nolimitsoya: no support for anything approaching decent Y error bars
[07:59] <spasticteapot> naelphin: I'd like to know that myself.
[07:59] <webmaren> lupine_85: I had that problem once
[07:59] <SilentDis> lupine_85, ahhh.  i, personally, have never needed more than what oo provides.  it's hard to determine other people's needs when it comes to office tools like that for me.
[08:00] <webmaren> lupine_85: powerpoint killed my WWI presentation
[08:00] <naelphin> i can see it redrawing when i minimize, showing i have no 2d accel
[08:00] <naelphin> very annoying
[08:00] <lupine_85> ah, not gz'd
[08:00] <spasticteapot> I have a Rage128.
[08:00] <lupine_85> cat /boot/config-2.6.17-10-generic works here
[08:00] <spasticteapot> It's steve "balless" ballmer I'd rather strangle.
[08:00] <spasticteapot> He's a gormless twit.
[08:00] <lupine_85> webmaren: I'll agree that OO is better *software* than MS Office. It just doesn't have the features that most people need
[08:01] <spasticteapot> Bill gates innovated. Sure, some of his innovations were half-assed, but he was a clever guy.
[08:01] <lupine_85> if it's not missing a feature you need, it's wonderful.
[08:01] <spasticteapot> Steve Ballmer is just trying to cover his ass.
[08:01] <juano> spasticteapot: right
[08:01] <webmaren> lupine_85: like transparency in presentations 9_9
[08:01] <bmk789> Microsoft has never innovated
[08:01] <nolimitsoya> spasticteapot, he stole most of it from mac...
[08:01] <spasticteapot> I was referring to DOS, actually.
[08:01] <spasticteapot> And basic.
[08:01] <nolimitsoya> spasticteapot, in what way was that an inovation?
[08:02] <juano> nolimitsoya: he owns bout 40% of Mac
[08:02] <Maheanuu> I have hated MS ever since they started their strangulation of the indies about 11 years ago...  I am happy everytime MS gets fined for some past misdead
[08:02] <webmaren> spasticteapot: microsoft has had one original product
[08:02] <eegore> bash: ./setup.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied anyone got a clue on this, this is what I get when I try to start the quake 3 arena install script
[08:02] <un_operateur> the only grouch i have against OO is speed - apart from that, it supports pretty much everything I need
[08:02] <IdleOne> DOS was not stolen it was bought
[08:02] <nolimitsoya> juano, im talking about bill
[08:02] <spasticteapot> Well, yes.
[08:02] <spasticteapot> Still, he managed to do a good deal of things.
[08:02] <webmaren> spasticteapot: and it was a port, at that
[08:02] <juano> nolimitsoya: me too
[08:02] <LinTux> lupine_85: when I do that I get this - FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid argument
[08:02] <spasticteapot> Besides, MS flight simulator rocked.
[08:02] <SilentDis> bmk789, yes they have.  they innovated in the MARKETING arena.  they're the absolute best at that... and not much else.  ;)
[08:02] <spasticteapot> They made the home PC work.
[08:02] <lupine_85> LinTux: you can't load ndiswrapper and bcm43xx at the same time
[08:02] <spasticteapot> Unix made it work much better.
[08:03] <ironfroggy> i have CONFIG_USB_STORAGE=m
[08:03] <lupine_85> spasticteapot: no, they didn't. IBM made the home PC work
[08:03] <nolimitsoya> spasticteapot, imho, dos is a crappy halfassed clone of unix
[08:03] <lupine_85> OS/2 ftw! :p
[08:03] <bmk789> their marketing even sucks, its their liscensing that gets them money
[08:03] <ironfroggy> so i should have a module usbstorage, right? because modprobe cant find it
[08:03] <LinTux> that is what the forum info is telling me to input
[08:03] <webmaren> spasticteapot: unix was around years before windoze, fool
[08:03] <Przemcio78> i've heard gentoo is better than ubuntu, in what way is it better?
[08:03] <juano> i think bill is clever cause he made an OS that users could use easy, you dont need to know much to use windows, thats why it sells so good
[08:03] <webmaren> nolimitsoya: so true
[08:03] <nolimitsoya> Przemcio78, ask the person who made the claim
[08:03] <lupine_85> Przemcio78: the package manager is incredibly simple and cool
[08:03] <IdleOne> Przemcio78, try them both and decide for yourself
[08:04] <lupine_85> HOWEVER, you have to compile almost everything from source
[08:04] <lupine_85> so... yeah :D
[08:04] <dv_> juano, actually windows isnt that easy
[08:04] <SilentDis> lupine_85, hmm... you know, i've never played with os2.  time to go find an illegal copy somewhere and see if i can get it working in emulation lol
[08:04] <gr3ml> Przemcio78:  having used both, i prefer ubuntu
[08:04] <spasticteapot> I want to try IRIX.
[08:04] <lupine_85> SilentDis: no... no, it isn't
[08:04] <kitche> SilentDis: you might find old Open Source Versions of it
[08:04] <Przemcio78> is gentoo a rolling release?
[08:04] <nolimitsoya> lupine_85, apt is well on par with portage :)
[08:04] <lupine_85> nolimitsoya: no it isn't
[08:04] <dv_> juano, but there are lots of literature for it, and kids-next-door who can handle it, and it comes preinstalled on PCs - THIS is the clever idea of bill
[08:04] <webmaren> przemcio: you could roll a gentoo release
[08:04] <Maheanuu> I never ran X86 architecture until after the Englishman Sinclair got bought out and his Sinclairs became unsupported..  I found the Sinclair boxes to be better than IBM in those days
[08:04] <nolimitsoya> lupine_85, what are you missing then?
[08:04] <juano> dv_ its easier than linux for sure, i use linux since some good time ago, but you cant say that linux is easier OS than windows
[08:04] <kitche> Przemcio78: umm no gentoo is all source based you just update portage when a new ebuild  comes out then you have to recompile
[08:05] <nolimitsoya> juano, i can
[08:05] <LinTux> that is what the forum info is telling me to input
[08:05] <webmaren> prezmcio78: it's on a cd
[08:05] <dv_> installing windows isnt trivial, most people stick with the preinstalled versions
[08:05] <ironfroggy> after i `modprobe usb-storage` what do i need to do so the driver creates a device?
[08:05] <LinTux> that is what the forum info is telling me to input
[08:05] <webmaren> hehe I made a pun
[08:05] <dv_> juano, so, ubuntu would take off once someone preinstalls it on PCs
[08:05] <nolimitsoya> juano, try sticking an ubuntu disk in the hand of a complete computer illiterate and have them get a working, usefull system from scratch. now try the same with windows
[08:06] <ecastro> is there any metapackage that brings back all the default packages installed with ubuntu?! I mean, something like apt-get install ubuntu to get all the default packages installed
[08:06] <juano> nolimitsoya: well you may be right on that one, i got ubuntu 6.10 here now and its good
[08:06] <lupine_85> nolimitsoya: I'm missing PyKDE 3.16 :p
[08:06] <spasticteapot> I'm personally a fan of Mepis - it's even easier.
[08:06] <kitche> ironfroggy: plug in the device
[08:06] <juano> nolimitsoya:  EXCEPT what about listening to an MP3? or watching a video?
[08:06] <dv_> juano, so this is the holy grail: ubuntu 6.10 preinstalled on retail PCs
[08:06] <ironfroggy> kitche: i did..
[08:06] <warrior> hey
[08:06] <nolimitsoya> juano, do the test some time. its quite fun, and very efficient att erasing the 'linux is hard' myth
[08:06] <dv_> suse will be there sooner however.
[08:07] <SilentDis> ecastro, ubuntu-desktop, i believe, is the package you want
[08:07] <juano> nolimitsoya: i gotta try it yeah xD
[08:07] <webmaren> http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/cs_os.shtml
[08:07] <nolimitsoya> juano, then use mepis, or any other distro that isnt restricted tofloss
[08:07] <dcordes> is there any way to ssh to a box without having any port forwarded? im looking for some kind of workaround
[08:07] <webmaren> those are computer idiots
[08:07] <ecastro> SilentDis: let me try it...
[08:07] <warrior> i have a problem
[08:07] <nolimitsoya> juano, then the 'restrited software doesnt work out of the box' argument goes away too :)
[08:07] <un_operateur> juano, with windows its -- how do i edit a spreadsheet  or how do i create a database? :)
[08:07] <mojojojo__> hi! are there solutions available for ubuntu which wouild accelerate my kernel? At the moment running xmms for example takes ~ 20% of CPU time which is too bloody much
[08:07] <lupine_85> mojojojo__: buy a faster CPU? :p
[08:08] <mynameisdeleted> I have a dual 2.8GHZ 64-bit server with a gigabit internet connection........ could such a thing significantly speed up everyones apt-get runs?
[08:08] <webmaren> mojojojo__: how fast (slow) is your processor
[08:08] <juano> nolimitsoya:  the thing is that users dont get it when it comes to "i cant listen to an mp3 on linux" or "i cant watch a video on linux" and its true at first cause you dont get **it when its just installed
[08:08] <un_operateur> mojojojo__, pay a linux geek to build an optmized kernel
[08:08] <warrior> ##HALFWAY
[08:08] <ubuntu> hello
[08:08] <dv_> juano, thats a licensing problem
[08:08] <mojojojo__> webmaren, it's Athlon 1800+, it should run withouth any problems
[08:08] <lupine_85> the thing that'd make the most difference is pre-emption, and that's already in
[08:08] <nolimitsoya> juano, as i said, that not true unless you use a distro dedicated to floss, as is ubuntu
[08:08] <dv_> this is why suse has mp3 etc. but ubuntu doesnt
[08:09] <mojojojo__> un_operateur,  definetely not funny :)
[08:09] <ecastro> SilentDis: yep, it seems you were right! thanks pal! merry xmas for you and everybody else here in this room. And lets try to remember all of us a little what are we really celebrating theese days!
[08:09] <lupine_85> SuSE paid for the licenses?!
[08:09] <dv_> yes
[08:09] <lupine_85> oh dear
[08:09] <nolimitsoya> juano, try mepis or any other that doesnt enforce that restriction, and that argument is out the window
[08:09] <SilentDis> ecastro, happy Chrismahanukwanzakah to you as well! :D
[08:09] <juano> nolimitsoya: i got Ubuntu 6.10 and when i installed it mp3 support was NOT enabled
[08:09] <lupine_85> juano: too right
[08:09] <nolimitsoya> juano, are you even reading anything im typing? :?
[08:09] <spasticteapot> I don't even bother with Mp3s.
[08:09] <un_operateur> mojojojo__, xmms hardly ever takes 20% CPU time unless you are running a 66mhz cpu :)
[08:09] <dv_> which is a good thing, suse is one of the most popular distros, so its good to have mp3 support
[08:09] <ironfroggy> so where do i look if the usb-storage driver isnt creating a device?
[08:09] <spasticteapot> FLAC for  the win!
[08:10] <juano> nolimitsoya: yes i am, but its the concept that im talking about, a guy goes to a computer and wants to listen to music, not to a boring license agreement
[08:10] <lupine_85> dv_: no, it's a bad thing, but I don't expect you to understand why
[08:10] <dv_> lupine_85, haha
[08:10] <dv_> lupine_85, there is the world of idealists and the world of everyone else
[08:10] <lupine_85> eh, sorry, you're not juano :)
[08:10] <dv_> oh sorry
[08:10] <lupine_85> s/random insult//
[08:10] <lupine_85> :)
[08:10] <dcordes> where can i get cain?
[08:10] <juano> lupine_85: what?
[08:11] <nolimitsoya> juano, ffs please, give me a break. ive said numerous times now that if you use a disto such as ubuntu that is bound to floss, you wont get proprietary software out of the box. use mepis or some other distro that allows nonfree content and that problem is gone
[08:11] <SilentDis> omg... /. article on some guy who built a winged jetpack that travels at over 100mph and he flies it around mountains and such rofl
[08:11] <mojojojo__> un_operateur, I am aware of that :), that's why I consider it a problem :)... It's not only xmms, but the whole system, I think... but anyway... Ubuntu doesn't seem as easy and user-friendly for me as it appeared at the beginning
[08:11] <un_operateur> juano, ubuntu does not want to be tied to any licensing issues when using proprietary formats -- if a user wants to use them, it takes a couple of minutes to install packages to support them -- just as it takes a couple of minutes to get a user running M$ office on a windows machine if they want office functionality
[08:11] <lupine_85> juano: software patents are, essentially, extortion
[08:11] <dv_> anyway, if joe sixpack wants to hear his mp3s, and "that linux thing" doesnt play them, then linux is shitty software in his opinion, and he will tell everyone how shitty linux is and recommends windows
[08:12] <nolimitsoya> dv_, you havent been paying attention either, have you? :-?
[08:12] <un_operateur> mojojojo__, well, honestly, what do you want?? magic?? :) you were given some options, it's now your call to do what you will
[08:12] <webmaren> mojojojo__: that processor is kind of old
[08:12] <dv_> but isnt it possible to have a GUI with a "I agree to the license agreements" box?
[08:12] <webmaren> mojojojo__: and it's only 1.53GHz
[08:12] <dv_> so one has to agree to the mp3 license to install the software?
[08:12] <juano> nolimitsoya: i agree with all you guys on certain matters, but i wanna ask the million dollar question, why do users use windows and not have linux at there home?
[08:12] <webmaren> mojojojo__: and it only has 256K cache
[08:12] <lupine_85> webmaren: my 2500+ is 1.4GHz
[08:13] <lupine_85> it plays xmms fine at <<< CPU
[08:13] <webmaren> lupine: ...shaddup
[08:13] <nolimitsoya> juano, because theyve already payd for windows the moment they bought their boxes. how is that relevant to our discussion?
[08:13] <dv_> I see that ubuntu is floss, but it should be unnecessarily hard to install support for mp3 and mpeg4
[08:13] <lupine_85> webmaren: or what? :p
[08:13] <juano> nolimitsoya: lol its not cause of that
[08:13] <un_operateur> dv_, it would mean that ubuntu might have to pay to use a license to use those non-free formats -- which it clearly does not want -- also it has to do with the fact that there are 100% open alternatives to most multimedia formats which ubuntu (like other distros) is keen to see being used
[08:13] <webmaren> juano: because they're all locked in, like nolimitsoya said
[08:13] <nolimitsoya> juano, then you need to do some homework :)
[08:14] <mojojojo__> webmaren, old or not... but I consider abnormal the fact that my linux runs waaaaay slower that Win XP
[08:14] <pi1l> i want a process to run for a certain amount of time. how do i do that??
[08:14] <Maheanuu> It's difficult to try to convince anyone that they only get out what they put in, and if they don't want to learn, they will never learn enough to accomplish much in Linux...  Windoze is made for the unwashed masses, those tsto...  You want bland, you got bland....
[08:14] <dv_> un_operateur, now technically you have to install lame yourself because this way ubuntu isnt distributing mp3 software
[08:14] <webmaren> juano: of course it's cause of that, that and the idiot programmers who can't break away from windoze
[08:14] <dv_> un_operateur, but cant this be automated by said click on the "I agree to the agreements" button?
[08:14] <whyameye> mojojojo__: what kernel are you running?
[08:14] <un_operateur> dv_, exactly, but ubuntu will play .ogg's fine -- do you see what i mean?
[08:14] <webmaren> mojojojo__: how old is your ubuntu distro
[08:14] <mojojojo__> whyameye, 2.16.15-27-k7
[08:15] <mojojojo__> webmaren, Ubuntu 6.06 LTS - Dapper Drake
[08:15] <whyameye> mojojojo__: it really sounds like something it wrong. xmms shouldn't be draining your system so hard.
[08:15] <oenwaytolive17> merry christmas :)
[08:15] <un_operateur> dv_, that would mean that ubuntu CDs will have to include packages that support mp3s -- but it does not want to be tied in licensing and legal issues, so it just does not do it
[08:15] <SilentDis> bbiab
[08:15] <nolimitsoya> dv_, because ubuntu, like ive said to many times by now, is dedicated to floss and therefore not distributing blobs
[08:15] <webmaren> mojojojo__: it really shouldn't
[08:15] <lupine_85> nolimitsoya: except graphics card ones :p
[08:15] <dv_> un_operateur, no, not on the CDs
[08:15] <dv_> you press the button and it downloads lame
[08:16] <juano> webmaren: nolimitsoya: but i dont think that bringing windows down is such a good idea, cause you cant say that windows is so much worse then linux
[08:16] <nolimitsoya> lupine_85, dont get me started on that one.... i just want to scream :P
[08:16] <lupine_85> oh, and WLAN ones :p
[08:16] <Dace> hi, is there a live-usbstick version of ubuntu?
[08:16] <lupine_85> !install
[08:16] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[08:16] <nolimitsoya> juano, yes you can...
[08:16] <lupine_85> ^ Dace: ^
[08:16] <juano> nolimitsoya:  no you cant
[08:16] <webmaren> juano: so we're keeping windoze alive to say LINUX PWNS YOU
[08:16] <un_operateur> dv_, its not a matter of user's accepting the "agreements" .. its about canonical itself not wanting to be tied with any "agreements" with vendors of non-free formats
[08:16] <Dace> lupine_85: ok, thanks
[08:16] <nolimitsoya> juano, why not? its totaly insecure, expensive and crappy in all ways
[08:16] <juano> webmaren: LOL
[08:17] <webmaren> juano: that is exactly what you were saying
[08:17] <oenwaytolive17> hey can anyone help me? ever since i installed ubuntu on my thinkpad 770 (yea old but it works) i have been unable to boot a cd from startup, i need to reinstall windows :P any ideas? i checked the bios... cant find anything for boot options for the cd, its a degraded bios for morons...therefor no advanced options. its called "easy setup"
[08:17] <juano> nolimitsoya: well what i AGREE veryyyy much xD is that for beeing a paid software IT SUCKS
[08:17] <juano> nolimitsoya: when Linux is FREE and it ROCKS
[08:17] <webmaren> juano: almost all paid software sucks
[08:17] <nolimitsoya> juano, so your point was?
[08:17] <brady> oenwaytolive17 look up the manual with google.
[08:17] <webmaren> juano: except for games
[08:17] <juano> webmaren: CEDEGA
[08:17] <lupine_85> it ROCKS!
[08:17] <webmaren> juano: IDGARA
[08:18] <mojojojo__> ok, I'll try compiling kernel :/
[08:18] <oenwaytolive17> brad, i tried, looked for a while thats why im here; i looked on google
[08:18] <nolimitsoya> webmaren, photoshop is kind of nice, excluding their png support...
[08:18] <oenwaytolive17> i am thinking its a prob with ubuntu
[08:18] <scott__> anyone to help getting xgl session running? Just got fglrx installed correctly with dual monitors
[08:18] <nolimitsoya> juano, cedega isnt very good at all...
[08:18] <nolimitsoya> anyway, this is going veeery of topic :)
[08:18] <juano> nolimitsoya:  lol why not? i use it and play lots of games
[08:18] <webmaren> nolimitsoya: juano: *correction* all paid software that isn't a bajillion bucks is crap
[08:18] <oenwaytolive17> so any help would be appreciated :)
[08:18] <whyameye> mojojojo__: do you get the same bad results on cpu usage from a live CD with the x386 kernel?
[08:18] <nolimitsoya> juano, google it :)
[08:18] <exs_> guys, what's the best way to update firefox to version 2.1 ? Thanks :)
[08:18] <brady> oenwaytolive17 ibm.com has extensive support for their products. your laptop manual is on ibm.com. go and seek the manual. you'll probably be eaten by a grue.
[08:18] <lupine_85> as the NHS will tell you, the most expensive software is worse than the cheapest
[08:19] <lupine_85> !info firefox edgy
[08:19] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0+0dfsg-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 9001 kB, installed size 28588 kB
[08:19] <lupine_85> !info firefox feisty
[08:19] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.1+0dfsg-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9006 kB, installed size 28584 kB
[08:19] <oenwaytolive17> i think my laptop is way too old to be on this
[08:19] <Dace> lupine_85: that didn't help much though. i need something i can just throw on the usb stick and boot with it
[08:19] <webmaren> exs_: you can't get an ubuntu mandate for it
[08:19] <juano> nolimitsoya: Cedega is fine, i play C&C old school games, Quake , Warcraft
[08:19] <lupine_85> exs_: probably downloading it from mozilla's website
[08:19] <juano> nolimitsoya: ive got it working fine
[08:19] <lupine_85> Dace: with a bit of work such a thing will be your
[08:19] <lupine_85> ...s
[08:19] <webmaren> exs_: so you could get it off mozilla, or sompile it
[08:19] <dv__> ogg is superior to mp3 and I prefer it when I can,
[08:19] <dv__> thing is, often I cant
[08:19] <nolimitsoya> juano, that doesnt constitute good software
[08:19] <dv__> mp3 is THE de-facto standard.
[08:19] <mojojojo__> whyameye,  I don't have Live CD, unfortunately.. But maybe should I download x386 kernel, and try with it?
[08:20] <exs_> lupine_85:  ok I see the download on their site, but how would I install what I download?.. it's not a .deb I don't think :)
[08:20] <dv__> and ubuntu is in no position to dictate standards
[08:20] <juano> nolimitsoya: umm.. i suppose the purpose of CEDEGA is to make windows games work fine?
[08:20] <Dace> lupine_85: yeah, i'd just prefer it without the work. there must be some linux distribution that is ready for usb stick ;)
[08:20] <lupine_85> exs_: just unpack it to your HOME directory somewhere and run it
[08:20] <un_operateur> dv_, but is it a non-free de-facto standard, is that hard to see?? :)
[08:20] <webmaren> dv__: OGG PWNS MP3
[08:20] <juano> nolimitsoya: or am i wrong
[08:20] <dv__> so many people installing ubuntu will install lame
[08:20] <nolimitsoya> dv_thats why we have fsf, and the community to educate people
[08:20] <dv__> because they have bazillion mp3s and 0 oggs
[08:20] <lupine_85> ogg is the De Facto Free standard :p
[08:20] <Slart> when copying/moving files between local harddrives gnome almost hangs.. or at least stops responding for  several minutes.. is this normal? can I tweak something?
[08:20] <brady> dv_ ubuntu doesn't make the standard. ubuntu doesnt use mp3 by default on principle.
[08:20] <webmaren> dv__: or they could rip the mp3 to ogg
[08:21] <webmaren> webmaren: that is possible, I do it
[08:21] <nolimitsoya> juano, im not going to argue this. read up on cedega and you will find loads of reasons to dislike the project
[08:21] <brady> dv_ just like you can use another distro on principle.
[08:21] <dv__> look, ESR said a very wise thing: "We can't set the standards until after we take over the world.
[08:21] <dv__> "
[08:21] <juano> nolimitsoya: well i can find reasons to dislike everything in google
[08:21] <juano> nolimitsoya: so whats your point?
[08:21] <dv__> ogg owns mp3, yes, *technically*.
[08:21] <nolimitsoya> juano, good. then youll find why cedega isnt a nie project, nor a good one :)
[08:22] <juano> nolimitsoya: hihihi
[08:22] <webmaren> dv__: people choose mp3 because Open Source scares businesspeople
[08:22] <[BTF] Chm0d> is there a 686 kernel for edgy?
[08:22] <juano> nolimitsoya: ;)
[08:22] <dv__> people choose mp3 because they only know mp3
[08:22] <lupine_85> [BTF] Chm0d: -generic
[08:22] <webmaren> !i686 edgy
[08:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i686 edgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:22] <juano> nolimitsoya: by the way merry x-mas
[08:22] <dv__> mp3 players play mp3, rippers rip to mp3, their friends have mp3s, etc.
[08:22] <lupine_85> people don't "choose" mp3, it's what everything's in when they illegally download it
[08:22] <[BTF] Chm0d> the generic version supports multicore?
[08:22] <webmaren> !edgy AMD64
[08:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about edgy AMD64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:22] <brady> webmaren people choose mp3 b/c it had an integer decoder first and it is the lingua franca de musica
[08:22] <lupine_85> [BTF] Chm0d: yes
[08:23] <nolimitsoya> dv__, i just converted all my old wma files to ogg, so why cant you? youve already made the leap to linux from windows, for the exact same reason no doubt. then tell your friends to do the same, and explain why
[08:23] <[BTF] Chm0d> oh wasn't aware of that thx
[08:23] <lupine_85> np :)
[08:23] <juano> nolimitsoya: ogg is pretty good
[08:23] <nolimitsoya> dv__, think about it, you only need to turn one person to turn the world, given that he does the same in return
[08:23] <dv__> nolimitsoya, tell this to an author who just wants the computer for work,
[08:23] <dv__> and has an ipod
[08:23] <lupine_85> if nobody makes a stand and uses ogg, ogg doesn't get used
[08:23] <linux_kid> HELP! My "F" and "b" uttons won't work in uuntu, ut they do work in windozes (sorry, when i type, no b's or F's will come up (i have to copy and paste rom elseware)
[08:23] <dv__> ogg is *VERY* unattractive there.
[08:23] <lupine_85> ipods are evil, also :p
[08:23] <nolimitsoya> dv__, why dont you do it, and do the world a favour?
[08:23] <lupine_85> get an iRiver - which does support ogg
[08:24] <dv__> your points keep you in a niche of 1% of all people
[08:24] <spasticteapot> iRiver players FVCKING RULE!
[08:24] <webmaren> lupine_85: gotta go with you there
[08:24] <spasticteapot> I lost mine recently - I hope it turns up again.
[08:24] <juano> nolimitsoya: ive got a question, do you know where to find software on linux for a motorola rokr E1? cause ive tried amarok, gtkpod and everything there and it wont work
[08:24] <dv__> yes, iriver support them and they are good. most mp3 players dont support ogg, unfortunately.
[08:24] <lupine_85> dv__: it's a niche that's quite nice. Full of /educated/ and /intelligent/ people
[08:24] <nolimitsoya> juano, no, i dont
[08:24] <lupine_85> and the niche is growing
[08:24] <juano> nolimitsoya: i even tried using itunes with wine and no lucj
[08:24] <dv__> lupine_85, as I said, 1%.
[08:24] <juano> luck
[08:24] <lupine_85> dv__: size isn't everything
[08:24] <nolimitsoya> dv__, did you read what i just said?
[08:24] <spasticteapot> Audio input at good quality, easy to use, and nearly indestructible - iriver players are hard to beat.
[08:24] <dv__> but 99% of all consumers use mp3
[08:24] <lupine_85> so what?
[08:24] <nolimitsoya> >_<
[08:25] <lupine_85> who cares about the consumer?
[08:25] <spasticteapot> 99% of consumers use Windows or Mac.
[08:25] <nolimitsoya> im banging my head agains a wall of dumbness here...
[08:25] <dv__> and they have the money, they set the standard.
[08:25] <mojojojo__> ok, I tested mp3 on mpg123 and the usage is similar... so it's either sound card driver or kernel
[08:25] <Slart> linux_kid: capital F and small b are the only ones not working?
[08:25] <webmaren> dv__: 500years ago, 99% of all europeans believed the earth was flat
[08:25] <Slart> linux_kid: you can write a small f ?
[08:25] <lupine_85> mojojojo__: I'd go for a silly ALSA driver
[08:25] <dv__> most of them use windows and mp3s, this will only change once someone sells preinstalled linux, as mentioned before
[08:25] <webmaren> nolimitsoya: I feel for ya
[08:25] <linux_kid> Slart: no, the actual ottuns wont work.  i have to copy and paste the charactors
[08:25] <lupine_85> dv__: people already dop
[08:25] <lupine_85> Wal-Mart tried it; it failed
[08:25] <nolimitsoya> quoting myself here: dv__, think about it, you only need to turn one person to turn the world, given that he does the same in return
[08:25] <dv__> and mp3->ogg will only happen once the ipod supports ogg, as well as many other players and rippers
[08:26] <dv__> nolimitsoya, nice romantic view. most people wont do it.
[08:26] <lupine_85> dv__: many other players do support ogg. iPod doesn't, but ogg flourishes anyway. Where it /matters/
[08:26] <Slart> linux_kid: and the keyboard is ok? can you use those keys in... for example BIOS settings..  (if there is a place to enter general text)
[08:26] <gharz> guys, i'm planning to share my internet connection to a home pc using xp... how can i share this? is this possible? my ubuntu has the internet connection... xp will connect to my linux.
[08:26] <nolimitsoya> dv__, then why dont you turn two, istead?
[08:26] <webmaren> nolimitsoya: but there are more stupid people then smart ones
[08:26] <lupine_85> gharz: it can be done in several ways
[08:26] <drivera90> Let's say I take an iPod and put some iPod-geared distro of Linux in it. Will it play ogg and all the cool kid formats?
[08:26] <dv__> lupine_85, it still is a fact that mp3 dominates - except in niches
[08:26] <un_operateur> dv_, I think you just havent begun to see the whole philosophy of open-source yet?? There's plenty of good software out there that does just what you want, it's free, exclusive of licensing and legal issues and is well supported, why go against all these marvels and use something non-free and tied to intellectual property legalities??
[08:26] <juano> anyone know where i can find motorola rokr support for linux???
[08:26] <linux_kid> Slart: ill check and e ack in a ew..
[08:26] <dv__> (for example, game developers love ogg)
[08:27] <lupine_85> dv__: you're standing in a niche. What's your point?
[08:27] <drach> !masquarade
[08:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about masquarade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:27] <drivera90> !masquerade
[08:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about masquerade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:27] <brady> if the forum would quit dv_ he would go away.
[08:27] <lupine_85> why should we compromise ourselves to appeal to a huge number of people we don't know, and frankly don't care about?
[08:27] <lupine_85> !nat
[08:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:27] <lupine_85> !firestarter
[08:27] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[08:27] <dv__> lupine_85, the point is that adding some automatization for mp3 codec install
[08:27] <drach> !masquerade
[08:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about masquerade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:27] <dv__> making it a little easier for the average user
[08:27] <lupine_85> dv__: like what amarok has, you mean?
[08:27] <nolimitsoya> dv__, im trying to get through here, ogg is obviously better than mp3, so it isnt hard to convince your buddys to use it. just let them compare for them selves. then thell buy whatever lets them play their new improved files, or convert when they use their ipod. people arent dumb
[08:27] <lupine_85> it's something that should be app-level, not OS-level
[08:27] <Slart> gharz: it's possible in most linux distributions.. you just need iptables.. some things to search for.. ip masquerade gateway
[08:27] <webmaren> dv__: but it is more important to keep with principle
[08:28] <un_operateur> dv_, getting ubuntu to support mp3s by default is lalmost like saying ubuntu ought to support M$ office's .XLS and .DOC files by default, just why the should they?
[08:28] <dv__> nolimitsoya, then they cant play it on their ipods
[08:28] <dv__> shall they all buy irivers now?
[08:28] <webmaren> dv__: if people can't live with the principle, they shouldn't live with the system
[08:28] <nolimitsoya> dv__, your quest is dead in teh water. this distro has principles about proprietary software
[08:28] <lupine_85> Slart: , gharz: it can also be done using static routes... which is the better way IMO, but needs a compatible BB router
[08:28] <dv__> ok, but you pay.
[08:28] <Slart> gharz: I do the same thing for my home network.. although with a debian box.. but I think it'll look the same in ubuntu
[08:28] <webmaren> dv__: rather, we don't
[08:28] <lupine_85> dv__: no, but they can transcode to mp3 and buy an iRiver *next time*
[08:28] <jacked> Hi folks. I tried running "scibuntu 0.4" under edgy but it returned errors.  Can anyone help?
[08:28] <[slam] > http://dimaka.homelinux.org
[08:28] <nolimitsoya> dv__, you didnt read a thing did you... you are conseddred a troll, and put on ignore...
[08:28] <gharz> Slart & lupine_85 , can i use it using a cable connected directly?
[08:28] <[slam] > http://dimaka.homelinux.org
[08:28] <Slart> lupine_85: oh? this was new.. what is a static route?
[08:29] <lupine_85> gharz: yeah, that's no problem
[08:29] <dv__> sigh...
[08:29] <lupine_85> Slart: basically, the linux PC acts as a router
[08:29] <gharz> ok... thanks i'll try that.
[08:29] <dv__> there is a reason why microsoft beat the unix guys on desktop dominance ....
[08:29] <Slart> gharz: you have to have one computer connected to internet... the rest connect through that computer. (using my way... I don't know about lupines way)
[08:29] <nolimitsoya> dv__, read up on the unix wars
[08:29] <lupine_85> so you put the win PC on a separate subnet and make the linux PC route between it and the router; the router needs a static route to know to send stuff for the win PC to the linux PC
[08:29] <jacked> dv__: you need help.
[08:29] <nolimitsoya> dv__, thats the road windows is taking now...
[08:29] <webmaren> dv__: do you have proof that bill gates sold his soul to the devil
[08:29] <un_operateur> dv_ is starting to resemble a troll now -- i think he needs to be put out of his misery
[08:30] <jacked> dv__: professional help.
[08:30] <nolimitsoya> how does ignore work in lostirc?
[08:30] <Slart> lupine_85: eh.. just a stright pass through thingy?
[08:30] <dv__> you just said it: unix wars. constant bickering among themselves. ms had carte blanche
[08:30] <lupine_85> Slart: yeah, pretty much
[08:30] <lupine_85> a lot depends on the router, though
[08:30] <Slart> lupine_85: is that faster? any other advantages.. compared to ip masquerading
[08:30] <lupine_85> it helps if you've got a /29 and a /30 of publically addressable IPs
[08:30] <lupine_85> or two /30s
[08:31] <lupine_85> Slart: no nat is good
[08:31] <lupine_85> especially for VoIP, messeging, etc, etc#
[08:31] <nolimitsoya> dv__, the unix wars where about vendor lockin. you need to read up. do us a favour, eh?
[08:31] <lupine_85> probably < 0.1ms faster than NAT
[08:31] <Slart> lupine_85: ah.. you'll need more than one public ip.. if only more could be so lucky =)
[08:31] <dv__> nolimitsoya, not only about vendor lock-in
[08:31] <lupine_85> Slart: no, you can do it with 1 public IP - but the router needs to be able to NAT the window PC as well
[08:32] <lupine_85> some support it, some don't
[08:32] <Slart> gharz: did you find anything using google? there's bound to be lots of tutorials for this.. it's a very common setup
[08:32] <brady> i thought the unix wars were over the zimmerman telegram?
[08:32] <dv__> anyway, I'm getting tired of this. learn some economy to understand what really keeps desktop linux from getting big.
[08:32] <lupine_85> but I'm paying a small fortune each month
[08:32] <Slart> lupine_85: yes.. but then we're not talking simple pass through (static route) any more.. are we? =)
[08:32] <lupine_85> omg! sellout!
[08:32] <lupine_85> Slart: true. but why double-nat if you can avoid it?
[08:32] <jacked> If nobody is up on the scibuntu script; perhaps somebody can point me toward the best available GNU application for 3D molecule modelling/viewing... Any ideas?
[08:33] <lupine_85> no-nat > single-nat > double-nat
[08:33] <kohr_> how do i mount ipod?
[08:33] <nolimitsoya> !ipod | kohr_
[08:33] <ubotu> kohr_: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[08:33] <dv__> you dont. its evil.
[08:33] <kohr_> hey
[08:33] <kohr_> i got it for christmas
[08:33] <lupine_85> dv__: that's the spirit!
[08:33] <dv__> lupine_85, this was sarcasm
[08:33] <webmaren> roflol
[08:33] <nolimitsoya> kohr_, we feel for you :(
[08:33] <lupine_85> dv
[08:33] <lupine_85> so was that
[08:33] <Slart> lupine_85: hmm.. I think I'll have to reread some of those tutorials.. it was a couple of years since I set that up... the danger of linux.. it just works.. then you forget what you did to make it work
[08:34] <jacked> dv__: "learn some economy"  <-- buddy, learn some bloody English
[08:34] <brady> Oh now I remember, the unix wars were over slavery.
[08:34] <lupine_85> Slart: "if it works, don't break it"
[08:34] <jacked> dv__: and get lost
[08:34] <webmaren> ipodlinux.com
[08:34] <lupine_85> kohr_: if you're not inclined to switch it for an iRiver (which are much cooler), it's perfectly do-able
[08:34] <Slart> lupine_85: my stuff seems to break themselfs every now and then.. mostly when I try to do something fancy =)
[08:34] <n2diy> Slart: You got that right, it is a good idea to keep a notebook.
[08:34] <brady> And it was the imperialists vs the bolsheviks.
[08:34] <kohr_> ah darn
[08:35] <dv__> jacked, now this is indimidating.
[08:35] <kohr_> i already opened it
[08:35] <Deep__> How do i change my dns?
[08:35] <lupine_85> kohr_: no problem - it's usable
[08:35] <nolimitsoya> kohr_, just follow the link i gave you
[08:35] <lupine_85> Deep__: as in...? are you the client or running the server...?
[08:35] <brady> In the end Palpatine had his way though.
[08:35] <webmaren> kohr_: ipodlinux.com
[08:35] <nolimitsoya> webmaren, what does he need tha for?
[08:35] <Slart> n2diy: mm.. after setting up alsa.. and oss emulation and what not.. I now have a text file.. (things not to forget) that I update with all the voodoo I do =)
[08:35] <nolimitsoya> webmaren, wouldnt the ubuntu guide be enough?
[08:35] <drmabus1> hi there, anyone knows how to sync the sticky-notes to another machine?
[08:35] <lupine_85>  /etc/resolv.conf is the file they're specified in though
[08:36] <webmaren> nolimitsoya: to make his iPod worth it
[08:36] <n2diy> Slart: Just as good as a notebook, I do the same thing with passwords, just make sure you back it up, off disk.
[08:36] <Slart> drmabus1: gnome stickys use network? or some other stickies?
[08:36] <Deep__> lupine_85, well, an sshserver is only accepting a certain dns
[08:36] <exs_> what's the apt-code for removing an application?.. is it apt-remove 'application name' ? thanks
[08:36] <webmaren> nolimitsoya: joke, nvm
[08:36] <jeff2> when I try to burn the edgy eft i386 cd image to a cd-r in k3b, k3b says that I need to enable overburning for the image to fit. why?
[08:36] <Slart> n2diy: yes.. I have a hardcopy of mine =)
[08:36] <nolimitsoya> webmaren, ah, nice project :P
[08:36] <H3g3m0n> http://rockbox.org is much more usefull than ipodlinux for playing music
[08:36] <jeff2> exs_, apt-get remove
[08:37] <Deep__> lupine_85, well, a domain
[08:37] <lupine_85> Deep__: connections to, or from, a specific domain?
[08:37] <linux_kid> Slart: i've checked in windoze... it worked.  When I login to uuntu, i can type the letters that dont work, ut they don't work once i login
[08:37] <webmaren> h3g3m0n: meh!
[08:38] <H3g3m0n> Looks like the ipodlinux page is down too
[08:38] <webmaren> linux_kid, is your 'b' broken?
[08:38] <webmaren> h3g3m0n: ?
[08:38] <lupine_85> H3g3m0n: must be the militant branch of the FSF
[08:38] <Deep__> lupine_85, it allows my-domain.com, which is pointing to my ipadress, but i guess i have to set my out-dns to that domain too
[08:38] <Slart> linux_kid: hmm.. keys work in windows.. but not in ubuntu... you're not using some kind of weird keyboard layout? dvorak? chinese?
[08:38] <H3g3m0n> ah you link had .com not .org
[08:38] <lupine_85> aka. the "We'll Free Your Software For You" Foundation
[08:38] <webmaren> linux_kid: did microsoft build you keyboard?
[08:38] <lupine_85> Deep__: yes, rdns is good
[08:38] <Slart> linux_kid: oh.. and try pressing all the alt, shift and ctrl keys at least once.. just to make sure they are "reset"
[08:38] <n2diy> Hey, I'm using Dvorak!
[08:39] <lupine_85> or, just set up sshd to work with the IP address rather than the domain name
[08:39] <Deep__> lupine_85, well, how do i change that? :)
[08:39] <webmaren> n2diy: nothing wrong, it's just different
[08:39] <lupine_85> you'd have to see your ISP in most cases
[08:39] <linux_kid> slart: it works in uuntu login, utnot ater i login
[08:39] <lupine_85> most ISPs won't change it
[08:39] <exs_> ok, I've downloaded and got firefox 2.1 to work nicely.. It's on my desktop now (unzipped rar).. and I'd like to replace this one with my current one. What's the best way?
[08:39] <linux_kid> wemaren: no hp made it
[08:39] <n2diy> webmaren: Hey, I've been using it 16 years, I'm not changing back now.
[08:40] <webmaren> linux_kid: methinks microsoft sabotaged your keyboard
[08:40] <lupine_85> exs_: alias firefox ~/path/to/firefox >?
[08:40] <webmaren> n2diy: nobody said it's bad
[08:40] <linux_kid> me thinks it too
[08:40] <lupine_85> erm, minus the >
[08:40] <webmaren> n2diy: just might confuse the poor chap's od
[08:40] <n2diy> webmaren: roger that
[08:40] <exs_> lupine_85:  what does this mean?..
[08:40] <n2diy> webmaren: od?
[08:40] <lupine_85> whenever you type "firefox" it'll substitute it for the other command
[08:41] <SilentDis> exs_, hmm... until it's ported into the repos, i'd say moving the folder to your home folder, then changing the link on the toolbar would probably be best
[08:41] <linux_kid> Slart: its a asic keyoard, it workd just yesterday...
[08:41] <lupine_85> or you could put the path/to/firefox in your $PATH before any other dirs - that'd be tidier
[08:41] <Slart> linux_kid: and all the other keys works alright
[08:41] <webmaren> n2diy: os (keys are next to each other)
[08:41] <exs_> SilentDis:  is it going to delete my settings?
[08:41] <linux_kid> Slart: ya...
[08:41] <lupine_85> so export PATH=/path/to/new/firefox/dir:$PATH
[08:41] <oenwaytolive17> ok... i think my problem has to do with the bios
[08:41] <kohr_> what makes iriver so much better?
[08:41] <jeff2> I only have a 650 MB (74 min) CD-Rs, but the edgy eft i386 iso is 698.4 MB. am I out of luck?
[08:41] <oenwaytolive17> how can i update my bios with linux?
[08:41] <lupine_85> stick it in ~/.xsessionrc
[08:41] <webmaren> linux_kid: usb or ps2
[08:41] <n2diy> webmaren: not on a Dvorak board! :)
[08:41] <SilentDis> exs_, nope.  actually, do what lupine_85 said, it'll work better :)
[08:41] <lupine_85> oenwaytolive17: the same way you would in windows
[08:42] <linux_kid> wemaren: its a noteook, uilt in
[08:42] <webmaren> n2diy: well I have an MS Standard board
[08:42] <oenwaytolive17> if my bios version doesnt allow the cd to boot from start with linux
[08:42] <webmaren> linux_kid: oh
[08:42] <oenwaytolive17> it says that problem was fixed in later versions
[08:42] <lupine_85> i.e. boot in to REAL MODE and do it from there with the application provided by the BIOS vendor
[08:42] <oenwaytolive17> is there any way to update my bios from ubuntu
[08:42] <SilentDis> jeff2, you can buy 700mb CDs at most computer stores for all of $1USD/each :)
[08:42] <Silver_Lining> DCC SEND WTFLOLIDUNTGETDISITISCLON
[08:42] <lupine_85> oenwaytolive17: don't try to do it from protected mode unless you're brave
[08:42] <Slart> linux_kid: I have no idea why your keyboard wont work.. most confusing.. perhaps one of the others here have more ideas
[08:42] <webmaren> SilentDiS: or less
[08:42] <n2diy> webmaren: All my boxes are set up so I can mouse click on the tool bar, and switch between Qwerty, and Dvorak.
[08:42] <linux_kid> I eel like a 7 year old who lost his teeth
[08:42] <Ghetto|SM> That was fun.
[08:43] <webmaren> n2diy: cheers for you
[08:43] <SilentDis> oenwaytolive17, let me poke ubotu on that one...
[08:43] <kohr_> what makes iRiver so much better>
[08:43] <SilentDis> !bios
[08:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bios - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <exs_> SilentDis:  but lupine said something that I didn't understand. He said "alias, firefox ~path/to/firefox".. but that doesn't make sense to me
[08:43] <linux_kid> Slart: thanx or your help and Merry Christmas
[08:43] <webmaren> linux_kid: there's no shame in crappy hardware
[08:43] <nolimitsoya> kohr_, usb mass storage supprt and decent file type support, to begin with
[08:43] <lupine_85> exs_: don't do that, do the other
[08:43] <n2diy> webmaren: It is a big help, when I have to tweak a box I have out in the wild.
[08:43] <lupine_85> kohr_: ogg support :p
[08:43] <nolimitsoya> kohr_, also, better sound, battery time and its cheaper
[08:43] <lupine_85> also no Digital Restrictions MAnagement
[08:43] <linux_kid> wemaren: its not the hardware, the ottuns work when i type my login name
[08:43] <Slart> linux_kid: oh.. you might want to try one of the consoles.. press ctrl+alt+F1 .. then you get a standard login prompt.. login and try the keyboard... ctrl-alt-f7 to get back to gnome/kde
[08:43] <kohr_> well, i got a nano
[08:44] <lupine_85> oh, and the technical advantages too :p
[08:44] <SilentDis> exs_, oh lol.  he specified the command you'd need to type.
[08:44] <kohr_> so it would be 20 bucks more
[08:44] <exs_> lupine_85:  I'm like a frekin ball being bounced here! what's the best way to replace the firefox (2.1) (new one) on my desktop (in a folder, unzipped and working fine) with my old firefox, keeping my settings?
[08:44] <kohr_> 1 hour improved battery time
[08:44] <Fasga_> Is it possible to convert WMA to MP3, to get rid of DRM, without burning the songs to CDs?
[08:44] <lupine_85> [19:41]  <lupine_85> so export PATH=/path/to/new/firefox/dir:$PATH
[08:44] <lupine_85> ok?
[08:44] <slain> yes
[08:44] <dv__> Fasga, via mplayer and win32codecs
[08:45] <nolimitsoya> kohr_, dont feel sad about it, its just apple is a pretty touchy-feely subject in floss communitys :)
[08:45] <dv__> mencoder that is
[08:45] <brady> exs_ the best way is to not do anything and wait for ubuntu to update it in apt.
[08:45] <Deep__> ha, lupine_85, your helping everyone? :)
[08:45] <SilentDis> exs_, from my understanding, firefox, any version, will pull settings from ~/.mozilla instead of it's own stuff.  so there's no settings to worry about :)
[08:45] <exs_> brady:  why does it take so long?
[08:45] <slain> mplayer and lame
[08:45] <dv__> however, if the WMA is encrypted forget it
[08:45] <lupine_85> brady: it's not even in feisty...
[08:45] <Przemcio78> does linux bite?
[08:45] <Fasga_> dv__, I'll try it, thanks.
[08:45] <lupine_85> dv__: wma encryption can be broken
[08:45] <compengi> what problems that people mostly face after upgrading from dapper to edgy?
[08:45] <lupine_85> but that's illegal, apparently
[08:45] <Deep__> Przemcio78, hah
[08:45] <nolimitsoya> Przemcio78, yes
[08:45] <dv__> lupine_85, are there tools for it?
[08:45] <nolimitsoya> lupine_85, how?
[08:45] <Slart> Przemcio78: always..but sometimes it just nibbles
[08:45] <dv__> doing it manually should be time-consuming..
[08:46] <lupine_85> compengi: mostly, ubuntu-desktop gets removed halfway through. So just reinstall it after the upgrade
[08:46] <lupine_85> dv__, nolimitsoya: I know it's possible, not how to do it
[08:46] <dv__> btw. this is one way ogg can be made more attractive: it just ROCKS for webcast since it sounds very good at low bitrates
[08:46] <dv__> vorbis, that is..
[08:46] <nolimitsoya> lupine_85, the only tools ive seen depends on you being able to play the file to begin with...
[08:46] <linux_kid> Slart: the uttons work when i go to CTRL ALT 1
[08:46] <lupine_85> I was trying to find out how to un-DRM WMVs (which can't be done currently) when I came across that nugget
[08:46] <dv__> try wma at 64kbit. sounds like a radio in a pipe
[08:46] <linux_kid> Slart: ut stop when i exit...
[08:47] <Slart> linux_kid: ah.. then it's  a gnome thing..
[08:47] <compengi> lupine_85, and what other common serious problems?
[08:47] <lupine_85> compengi: that's the only one I know of
[08:47] <linux_kid> Slart what should i do
[08:47] <lupine_85> and I'd hardly call it common
[08:47] <nolimitsoya> compengi, if youve used automatix some time in the past things might break. bad...
[08:47] <juano> anyone know a player in linux for motorola rokr E1
[08:47] <Slart> linux_kid: I'm looking.. perhaps there are some kind of keyboard-configuration somewhere.. somewhere you can changes keys etc..
[08:47] <Slart> linux_kid: you're using gnome, right?
[08:48] <linux_kid> Slart yes
[08:48] <exs_> Where is firefox defaulty installed ?
[08:48] <n2diy> Slart, system-pref-keyboard
[08:48] <dv__> lupine_85, but a tool for breaking wmV (not wma) encryption would rock! tell me when you see one :)
[08:48] <lupine_85> dv__: yeah, not likely to happen soon
[08:48] <dv__> yes, until dvd jon is at it
[08:48] <SilentDis> linux_kid, just curious here... have you gone back through a reconfigure of xorg yet?  maybe the wrong keyboard got selected *shrug*
[08:49] <lupine_85> since the only people (except me, of course :p ) who want to break wmv encryption are after teh pr0nz, everyone's too embarresed to work on it
[08:49] <lupine_85> erm. fix spelling as appropriate.
[08:49] <CotRo|eR> !nvidia
[08:49] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:49] <webmaren> lupine_85: lol
[08:49] <dv__> lupine_85, exactly
[08:49] <linux_kid> SilentDis: it worked yesterday... and im quite sure i havent reinstalled uuntu since then
[08:49] <Slart> n2diy: the keyboard shortcuts wont let me set a shortcut to a simple letter (I get a messagebox that this will make typing impossible =)
[08:50] <webmaren> linux_kid: reconfigure xserver anyways, it might have just gotten an error in the file
[08:50] <ismail> hi all
[08:50] <Nitro> DCC SEND GTFOMYINTERNETSILYAOSTR
[08:50] <ismail> i have a question
[08:50] <linux_kid> wemaren: and how do i do that?
[08:50] <SilentDis> linux_kid, that's just weird.
[08:50] <n2diy> Slart, not keyboard shortcuts, just keboard, the selection above it.
[08:50] <dv__> lupine_85, sorry for being an ass before, I just lose myself when it comes to this topic
[08:50] <webmaren> linux_kid: reboot into recovery mode
[08:50] <webmaren> and type...
[08:50] <lupine_85> dv__: np :)
[08:51] <lupine_85> Freedom is a touchy topic
[08:51] <SilentDis> linux_kid, i'd still say a quick sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg might not be a bad idea, just to make sure it didn't get corrupt somehow or some other weirdness.  can't hurt.  *shrug*
[08:51] <ismail> how do i make the middle scroll botton in my mouse work
[08:51] <webmaren> linux-kid: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:51] <Slart> n2diy: well.. I can set certain keys there..  if it's only the f and b keys that dont work.. I thought he might have set them as shortcuts accidently
[08:51] <Slart> eh.. I can't set certain keys...
[08:51] <dv__> lupine_85, but the hd-dvd/bluray discs might tip things towards open formats
[08:51] <ismail> it used to work fine before but when i replaced my motherboard it doesnt work no more
[08:51] <lupine_85> dv__: maybe, they're DRM'd to death
[08:51] <webmaren> dv__: yeah, cause that has ever happened before
[08:52] <lupine_85> I'll give it a couple of months before they're hax0red
[08:52] <n2diy> Slart, roger that. maybe removing the current keyboard, and re-installing it would work?
[08:52] <SilentDis> ismail, the button, or the scrolling of the wheel?
[08:52] <lupine_85> especially since the PS3 uses blu-ray, and the PS3 runs linux
[08:52] <ismail> the scroll
[08:52] <webmaren> VHS was open, and then DVD is a DRM-demon
[08:52] <ismail> the botton works
[08:52] <webmaren> lupine_85: whaddya know?
[08:52] <dv__> no wait. DVD won because it is MUCH better than vhs.
[08:52] <Slart> linux_kid... try to set the keyboard layout again.. just to see if it resets something.. system, prefs, keyboard.. just select any layout, apply.. and then select your proper layout after that.. see if it works
[08:52] <webmaren> lupine_85: could be something there
[08:52] <lupine_85> if gdb runs on ps3, what more do you need? ;p
[08:52] <webmaren> dv__: and then dvd got taken by the copuright gods
[08:53] <ismail> silentDis: have any idea?
[08:53] <Slart> n2diy: I have no idea.. I've never have a keyboard that didn't accept certain keys... it's always been all or nothing for me =)
[08:53] <dv__> webmaren, once something is popular and a cashcow, this always happens
[08:53] <Slart> never had..
[08:53] <linux_kid> Slart: how do i reset the keyoard?
[08:53] <dv__> a bad thing, yes :)
[08:53] <dv__> :(
[08:53] <SilentDis> ismail, i'm working on a couple things... i was curious if the scroll worked, or it was the button itself that was having issue?
[08:53] <Nitro> DCC SEND GTFOMYINTERNETSILYAOSTR
[08:53] <eztk> linux_kid: have you been using xmodmap??
[08:53] <Slart> linux_kid: just select another layout.. french, german, swedish.. something..then apply/ok
[08:53] <n2diy> Slart: yes it is an odd problem, and it works on the darkside, so we know it isn't hardware related.
[08:53] <lupine_85>  /sigh
[08:53] <richard501> help - laptop doesnt see my wireless card
[08:54] <eztk> i tried to disable control + backspace by using xmodmap
[08:54] <linux_kid> Slart: like where do i select the keyoard...?
[08:54] <eztk> really screwed things up
[08:54] <Slart> n2diy: hehe.. dark side.. never heard that before. ..
[08:54] <dv__> webmaren, I doubt suse would stay that open if it had 85% marketshare for example. that is, kernel etc. would be GPLed, yes, but the players being realplayer and such
[08:54] <Slart> linux_kid: system menu.. preferences.. keyboard
[08:54] <sam> hey there i was wondering how can I get my sound to work alsa seems to be configured but yet the sound doesn't work
[08:54] <dv__> money corrupts :/
[08:54] <jeeves_Moss> all:  Merry Sh*tsmas everyone!
[08:54] <n2diy> Slart: you must be a newbie?  :)
[08:54] <lupine_85> dv__: suse are well on their way to not being open
[08:54] <ismail> sikentDis: before when i install ubuntu the middle botton and scroll weel worked off the bat. this time however when i installed ubuntu only the botton worked
[08:54] <SilentDis> jeeves_Moss, happy Chrismahanukwanzakah to you!
[08:55] <linux_kid> n2diy: im no newee, i just skrewed up my keys... LOL
[08:55] <sam> hey there i was wondering how can I get my sound to work alsa seems to be configured but yet the sound doesn't work
[08:55] <lupine_85> SilentDis: you missed mithras
[08:55] <dv__> lupine_85, they obviously want to become big, and pay the price by including non-free stuff support
[08:55] <jeeves_Moss> SilentDis:  lol,  nice one!
[08:55] <richard501> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197102 doesnt work for me :(
[08:55] <lupine_85> dv5237: yeah :(
[08:55] <Slart> n2diy: indeed... my friend once showed his collegues on the bank the DOS window... and from that day on they thought he had magic powers.. becuase he could go "back there".. "into the computer" =)
[08:55] <dv__> this CAN be a good thing though
[08:55] <n2diy> linux_kid: I wasn't referring to you.
[08:55] <ismail> !mouse
[08:55] <webmaren> sam: what are you trying to play out of
[08:55] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[08:55] <lupine_85> dv__: no, it can't
[08:55] <dv__> it makes linux and its peculiarities more common knowledge
[08:55] <jeeves_Moss> SilentDis: are you any good with GPSD?  I've been trying in here for 3 days now to get it, Kismet, and GPSDrive to work, and so far, NOTHING!
[08:55] <linux_kid> n2diy: sorry ;)
[08:56] <sam> webmaren: xmms
[08:56] <dv__> so more people know how a linux distro works, and ubuntu suddenly isnt all that alien
[08:56] <n2diy> linux_kid: nada.
[08:56] <psyber> merry xmass
[08:56] <webmaren> sam: I mean what hardware
[08:56] <dv__> in short: the jump suse -> ubuntu is easier than windows -> ubuntu
[08:56] <SilentDis> ismail, hmm...  never herd of 'some' of the scrolling working, but not scrolling up.  i'd almost say reconfigure the xserver, just to be SURE it's setup right.
[08:56] <sam> webmaren: hrmm hold on let me get that info
[08:56] <SilentDis> jeeves_Moss, no idea hun.  ask the question to the room, though, someone might be able to help :)
[08:56] <webmaren> sam: just, headset, speakers, etc
[08:56] <richard501> is there a GNU for ndiswrapper
[08:56] <Slart> windows -> debian -> ubuntu was. ... ok.. although I nearly threw out the computer through the window after a week with debian =)
[08:56] <ismail> i dont know how to do that
[08:56] <ismail> :D
[08:57] <SilentDis> ismail, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:57] <jeeves_Moss> SilentDis:  ok, thanks. as I said, I'm getting P.O. over this.
[08:57] <dv__> Slart, windows -> debian unstable, when they are switching to a new major KDE version. THIS is insane :)
[08:57] <dv__> 50% of the package deps broken  :)
[08:57] <psyber> quick question  I just installed wine, and from what I understand there is some kind of wine setup I need to run... but I have no idea where it is.  Does anyone have any idea what I am talking about?
[08:57] <jeeves_Moss> all:  anyone here any good with GPSD?  I've got to put up with a 2 hour drive with the family, so I want something to do on the drive.
[08:57] <ismail> and then?
[08:58] <Slart> dv__: hehe.. I know the pain... but it will all be better.. soon.. just walk into the light =)
[08:58] <sam> webmaren: i cant tell from lspci ima paste on pastebin
[08:58] <SilentDis> ismail, once you've gone through that, restart gdm (ctrl-alt-backspace) and see if it works
[08:58] <Slart> jeeves_Moss: what is GPSD?
[08:58] <dv__> Slart, been there. I prefer hell. hotter chicks :P
[08:58] <n2diy> psyber: Have you tried running Wine, it may prompt you for the setup info?
[08:58] <psyber> yup
[08:58] <jeeves_Moss> Slart:  it's the deamon that interfaces your GPS for other programs.
[08:58] <Slart> dv__: hehe.
[08:59] <hou5ton> jeeves_Moss:   one thought would be to develop a better relationship with your family.  :)
[08:59] <psyber> I type wine in the consol and I get error messages
[08:59] <webmaren> Slart: I don't wanna walk into the light
[08:59] <Slart> jeeves_Moss: ah.. nice.. I might come ask you about it when I finally get around to buying one =)
[08:59] <SilentDis> hou5ton, lmao!  you get the line of the day award lol
[08:59] <psyber> well not error just an expectation for more paramaters
[08:59] <Slart> webmaren: you heard dv__, hotter chicks the other way =)
[08:59] <webmaren> slart: roflol
[09:00] <Slart> linux_kid: did you die on us? keyboard not working at all now?
[09:00] <ismail> what should i choose for mouseprotocol?
[09:00] <sam> webmaren: http://pastebin.com/844791
[09:00] <Slart> ismail: I think you can choose auto..
[09:00] <ismail> imps/2
[09:00] <ismail> or explorerps/2
[09:00] <psyber> any ideas n2?
[09:00] <linux_kid> Slart: i havent died yet, and i dont plan on dying soon, ut i dont have any other lanuages to set it to
[09:00] <name> what's the best way of recording TV?
[09:01] <morvok> yawn..
[09:01] <n2diy> psyber: no, never played with Wine.
[09:01] <what> hi
[09:01] <webmaren> sam: to be honest, I don't use lspci
[09:01] <Slart> lismail: you doing the dpkg-reconfigure? then pick one and change it using the text editor later =)
[09:01] <SilentDis> !who | ismail
[09:01] <ubotu> ismail: As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say, or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :)
[09:01] <jeeves_Moss> Hou5ton:  lol, I think hell would freeze over first.  Any luck on getting help to make this work?
[09:01] <webmaren> sam: open the oss output plugin in xmms
[09:01] <sam> webmaren: what do you use?
[09:01] <webmaren> sam: in the prefs
[09:01] <psyber> anyone here familiar with running Wine on Ubuntu?
[09:01] <Slart> linux_kid: hmm.. and I see it didn't get better..
[09:01] <webmaren> go to the oss plugin
[09:01] <SilentDis> ismail, i'm sorry, i'm not activly watching the room, i noticed your name scroll by.  if you preface my name on it, my client is setup to beep :)
[09:02] <oenwaytolive17> ok dont tell me to google help; i looked through the thinkpad manual thouroughly
[09:02] <oenwaytolive17> i dont know how to make my laptop boot a cd at startup
[09:02] <webmaren> sam: are you playing through a sound card or usb?
[09:02] <linux_kid> yeah
[09:02] <Slart> linux_kid: oh.. in that same applet.. what keyboard configuration thingy do you use?
[09:02] <Slart> linux_kid: the place where you chose from pc 105 keys.. IBM keyboard etc etc
[09:02] <yurik> whats the better version of ubuntu kubuntu or edubuntu?
[09:02] <linux_kid> Slart Generic 104 PC with US English
[09:02] <grapple> oenwaytolive17: change the bios to startup cd before harddrive
[09:02] <oenwaytolive17> it wont work my bios has a thing called "easy setup" pretty much very limited options for people who know crap about computers setup in a crappy gui
[09:03] <n2diy> oenwaytolive17: you bios may not support it, my Thinkpad 570 doesn't.
[09:03] <oenwaytolive17> grappl, i cant do that thats the problem;
[09:03] <Slart> linux_kid: have you tried changing that?.. perhaps try the 105 key model. .. just to see if anything changes
[09:03] <Tchaka> hello all :)
[09:03] <oenwaytolive17> then n2di, how can i install windows back on
[09:03] <sam> webmaren: threw my sound card on my laptop and the oss plugin dont work xmms shows its playing doesn't give any errors but no sound
[09:03] <oenwaytolive17> if i cant boot a cd
[09:03] <psyber> does anyone in here know anything about running wine on Ubuntu?
[09:03] <n2diy> oenwaytolive17: I have no idea, and no interest in it.
[09:03] <webmaren> sam: open the preferences, and get to the output plugins
[09:03] <Slart> linux_kid: there are lots of keyboards to chose from.. see if anything seems to fit better.. you had a hp keyboard?
[09:04] <grapple> Anyone here know how to configure HLDS (Half-Life Dedicated Server) on Ubuntu Server Edition (Text only)?
[09:04] <morvok> anybody have a better idea of howto shutdown qemu-guests on host shutdown that having a script in inet6 (with a wait() time) that ssh's to them and runs a shutdown -h now?
[09:04] <linux_kid> Slart: i have tryed a ew, none seem right.  Its a V5000 series noteook, i that helps...
[09:04] <oenwaytolive17> well i need help
[09:05] <oenwaytolive17> please its christmas
[09:05] <Slart> linux_kid: ok.. I'll have a look around.. hold on
[09:05] <sam> webmaren: ok then what?
[09:05] <webmaren> oenway to live: i don't think there is anything that can be done
[09:05] <grapple> oenwaytolive17: What kind of laptop is it?
[09:05] <oenwaytolive17> if anyone can take the time to help me id more then appreciate it
[09:05] <sam> webmaren: there is oss/alsa/esound
[09:05] <webmaren> sam then select oss
[09:05] <oenwaytolive17> grapp, its a thinkpad 770
[09:05] <webmaren> samL then hit configure or something like that
[09:06] <CotRo|eR> How do you add resolutions to nvidia ??
[09:06] <sam> webmaren: i did but it still doesn't play sound
[09:06] <Slart> linux_kid: is that some kind of laptop-keyboard?
[09:06] <CotRo|eR> How do you add resolutions to nvidia ??
[09:06] <webmaren> go into the configuration
[09:06] <linux_kid> Slart, ya
[09:06] <morvok> oenwaytolive17: do you have a floppy drive
[09:06] <oenwaytolive17> the thing is, it worked before ubuntu grapple, so im thinking if i totally erase ubuntu off of the drive it will work
[09:06] <lupine_85> CotRo|eR: the same you add resolutions for any other card
[09:06] <webmaren> and there should be something about audio and mixer devices
[09:06] <lupine_85> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:06] <Slart> linux_kid: and there isn't a switch so that those 2 keys mean sometihng else..?? like a num lock
[09:07] <linux_kid> Slart, should i count my keys...?
[09:07] <sam> webmaren: i tried the alternate devices still doesn't work
[09:07] <CotRo|eR> tnx :)
[09:07] <Slart> linux_kid: nah.. it wouldn't tell my much anyways =)
[09:07] <linux_kid> num lock is o
[09:07] <morvok> oenwaytolive17: thats probably becuase it didn't find a boot area on the disc and moved to the next device (cdrom)
[09:07] <grapple> oenwaytolive17: How did you get ubuntu on it in the first place?
[09:07] <webmaren> sam: tried entering into the field /dev/dsp1 and /dev/mixer1?
[09:07] <grapple> oenwaytolive17: Yeah morvok is prolly right.
[09:07] <linux_kid> its not on, i cannot type o
[09:08] <sam> webmaren: hrmm no
[09:08] <webmaren> try that
[09:08] <oenwaytolive17> grapp; my bro did it for me
[09:08] <babar> hu
[09:08] <morvok> oenwaytolive17: do you have a floppy drive in the laptop?
[09:08] <babar> buntu
[09:08] <oenwaytolive17> from booting a cd at starttup
[09:08] <fo0b4er> juano, any more ideas on the mouse problem?
[09:08] <juano> fo0b4er:
[09:08] <oenwaytolive17> morvok; its external
[09:08] <juano> fo0b4er: yes yes
[09:08] <juano> fo0b4er: i found something related
[09:08] <grapple> oenwaytolive17: Have you updated the bios?
[09:08] <morvok> oenwaytolive17: boot does your Bios look for a boot on it first?
[09:08] <juano> fo0b4er: hold on a sec
[09:09] <Shadowpillar> anyone here have a sandisk sansa?
[09:09] <fo0b4er> ok
[09:09] <sam> webmaren: ls /dev | grep dsp only shows adsp and dsp
[09:09] <fo0b4er> i do shadowpillar
[09:09] <oenwaytolive17> thats what i dont get it was able to boot a cd from startup for ubuntu, but afterwards i cant boot a cd anymore
[09:09] <sam> webmaren: still try dsp1?
[09:09] <webmaren> sam: then use /dev/dsp
[09:09] <linux_kid> Slart, whould this help... "sudo apt-get remove uuntu-desktop" and then "sudo apt-get install uuntu-desktop"  I have the CD's so i dont have to wait hours rom a repository
[09:09] <webmaren> and /dev/mixer
[09:09] <sam> webmaren: i did still dont work
[09:09] <Shadowpillar> fo0b4er: how did you get it working?
[09:09] <oenwaytolive17> it looks for a boot but skips over my cds
[09:09] <oenwaytolive17> every windows cd i have
[09:09] <juano> fo0b4er: as root edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:09] <oenwaytolive17> and they work fine on my other computers
[09:10] <Slart> linux_kid: perhaps.. but I'm starting to think your keyboard is special... and that's why X.org doesn't want to play nice with it
[09:10] <fo0b4er> Shadowpillar, i didn't in linux, i use it in windows xp
[09:10] <fo0b4er> juano, ok
[09:10] <juano> go to Section "input device" where it sais Identifier : mouse
[09:10] <grapple> oenwaytolive17: So it is checking for a cd on startup before booting off the harddrive?
[09:10] <oenwaytolive17> grapple: yes my cd rom drive flashes but nothing happens
[09:10] <linux_kid> Slart: yeah sadly.  Is there anyway to just reinstall the keyoard settings?
[09:10] <ismail> ok i think i screwd up my config in xorg
[09:10] <juano> fo0b4er: and check if it sais protocol "ImPS/2"
[09:10] <oenwaytolive17> even in ubuntu when i put in a cd. an icon doesnt come up so i can view the cd
[09:10] <fo0b4er> juano, ok
[09:11] <n2diy> Slart, roger that. maybe removing the current keyboard, and re-installing it would work?
[09:11] <ismail> how can i revert back to the original settings
[09:11] <oenwaytolive17> yet i can view the cd from ubuntu using the command terminal
[09:11] <oenwaytolive17> but no cd i use is booting up by itself i have to do it all manually
[09:11] <Slart> linux_kid: I don't think so.. you could always do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver.. but then you loose graphics card settings etc
[09:11] <juano> fo0b4er: if not try enabling it and restarting x-server
[09:11] <webmaren> sam: make sure you have libasound2
[09:11] <Shadowpillar> fo0b4er: yeah, I dont have winXP on the side :(
[09:11] <Slart> n2diy: sure.. perhaps... but how to remove the keyboard?
[09:12] <Shadowpillar> it did mount, then spazzed out
[09:12] <juano> i found out that the protocol imPS/2 is compatible with USB
[09:12] <grapple> oenwaytolive17: What about the ubuntu cd you used to initially used?
[09:12] <linux_kid> Slart: how much settings do i loose?
[09:12] <Slart> linux_kid: did you try the hp keyboards in the settings applet? and the compaq ones?
[09:12] <fo0b4er> Shadowpillar, sorry, I can't really help you
[09:12] <brady> is there a way to uniformly install a language in a system. specifically, i want a dual english/turkish system. i don't really want to install the individual language packs one-by-one.
[09:12] <Slart> linux_kid: graphics, mouse, keyboard... that stuff
[09:12] <webmaren> sam: can't do any more to help you out
[09:12] <oenwaytolive17> grapple; i have no idea; it was his disk set i dont have it
[09:13] <fo0b4er> juano, protocol is "ExplorerPS/2"
[09:13] <n2diy> Slart, linux_kid, system-pref-keyboard, highlight current keyboard and click remove, then select it again, and click add.
[09:13] <grapple> oenwaytolive17: Are you positive you burned your other cds correctly?
[09:13] <linux_kid> SLART: I got it!  oot the live CD and see ALL the settings, write them down, and then conigure it that way in the hdd game
[09:13] <juano> ok, change it to imPS/2 and try out, else just leave it how it was
[09:13] <fo0b4er> juano, ok thanks
[09:13] <oenwaytolive17> the thing is grapple i know my cd rom drive is working; because i can view the files using the command line but they wont boot in ubuntu windows manager or at startup
[09:13] <sam> webmaren: hrmm how do I check if I have that installed?
[09:13] <Shadowpillar> [23589.224659]  usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 26
[09:13] <Shadowpillar> [23589.237286]  usb 4-1: device descriptor read/all, error -75
[09:13] <oenwaytolive17> yes im pretty sure;
[09:13] <Slart> linux_kid: sure.. that's a bit like cheating.. but ok ;)
[09:13] <oenwaytolive17> i burned from a .cue file
[09:13] <juano> thats lmPS/2 an L or I
[09:14] <oenwaytolive17> and it boots on this pc
[09:14] <juano> l
[09:14] <webmaren> sam: fire up synaptic, and check if it's green
[09:14] <juano> i think its l, lol fo0b4er
[09:14] <juano> lmPS/2
[09:14] <linux_kid> Slart: yeah, its cheeting
[09:14] <sam> webmaren: how do I do that?
[09:14] <jeeves_Moss> all:  anyone able to help me with this GPSD issue?
[09:14] <grapple> oenwaytolive17: The only thing I can think of is update the BIOS then see if it has a option to change boot priority. If not then, well, I don't know.
[09:14] <fo0b4er> juano, i just copied and pasted what you said before
[09:14] <oenwaytolive17> how can i update without a cd rom drive or floppy
[09:14] <fo0b4er> "imPS/2"
[09:15] <lupine_85> sam, webmaren: apt-cache policy <package> is faster :)
[09:15] <juano> put l, not i fo0b4er
[09:15] <oenwaytolive17> dont i need something to actually boot at startup?
[09:15] <grapple> oenwaytolive17: You cant boot from your floppy eaither?!
[09:15] <juano> fo0b4er:  sorry :P
[09:15] <webmaren> sam: system>administration>synaptic package manager
[09:15] <fo0b4er> juano, ok
[09:15] <oenwaytolive17> i mean yea the cd drive works but it doesnt boot on startup
[09:15] <Slart> linux_kid: but by all means.. go ahead.. just let us know what the settings were.. =)
[09:15] <webmaren> lupine: w/e
[09:15] <oenwaytolive17> i need to see
[09:15] <linux_kid> BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFbbbffff I DID IT!!!
[09:15] <oenwaytolive17> ill brb let me check the floppy drive
[09:15] <j_`> hi
[09:15] <juano> oops
[09:15] <webmaren> lupine_85: but then if he's in synaptic, he can mark it right there
[09:15] <juano> fo0b4er:  its with an i
[09:15] <fo0b4er> juano, so it should be "lmPS/2" ?
[09:15] <jeeves_Moss> all: or anyone who is good @ getting my WiFi to work corectly?
[09:16] <Slart> linux_kid: ehh.. ok.. sacrificed a goat? made a pact with the behorned one?.. tell us
[09:16] <juano> no no... fo0b4er its imPS/2
[09:16] <juano> sorry
[09:16] <juano> I with caps
[09:16] <fo0b4er> juano, WHAT now im confused, ok
[09:16] <sam> webmaren: where is it at in this program?
[09:16] <juano> fo0b4er: just googled it sorry
[09:16] <linux_kid> I reinstalled US English and reselected 1o4 Generic
[09:16] <fo0b4er> ok, "imPS/2", got it
[09:16] <juano> with I caps
[09:16] <webmaren> open synaptic, and click search
[09:16] <juano> big I
[09:16] <webmaren> type in libasound2
[09:16] <fo0b4er> juano, ok "ImPS/@"
[09:17] <fo0b4er> lol oops
[09:17] <Slart> linux_kid: we should have listened to what n2diy said.. oh.. about 10 minutes ago :D
[09:17] <Shadowpillar> anyone else here have a sandisk sansa?
[09:17] <juano> ImPS/2
[09:17] <grapple> Can anyone here walk me through updating the Kernel's timer frequency to 1000hz in ubuntu 6.06.1 server ?
[09:17] <juano> yeah try that
[09:17] <fo0b4er> good, ok
[09:17] <juano> and restart x-server
[09:17] <Nontitle> Shadowpillar: i have one, it sucks
[09:17] <sam> webmaren: ok and what am i searching for now>
[09:17] <Nontitle> i had it replaced 3 times
[09:17] <j_`> i have mounted a fat32 partition in linux. folders which are +r in dos/windows are not writable even by root, but all other files are is there a flag i can add in my fstab or something?
[09:17] <sam> ?
[09:17] <n2diy> Slart, linux_kid. :)
[09:17] <Slart> linux_kid: well..
[09:17] <linux_kid> poor n2diy
[09:17] <j_`> i can't find anything on google
[09:17] <Shadowpillar> Nontitle: did you get it working in linux?
[09:17] <webmaren> sam: libasound2
[09:17] <juano> if it doesnt work, just keep ExplorerPS/2 fo0b4er
[09:17] <Nontitle> yeah, it just acts as a usb drive
[09:17] <The-Fox> anyone care for Ubuntu instllation problem ?
[09:17] <linux_kid> j_: google is ALWAYS slow on holidays.  use ask.com
[09:17] <Shadowpillar> Nontitle: mine isnt
[09:18] <juano> and well try something else
[09:18] <Shadowpillar> Nontitle: keep gtting usb errors
[09:18] <Shadowpillar> getting*
[09:18] <Nontitle> oh
[09:18] <fo0b4er> juano, ok, ill be right back then
[09:18] <j_`> linux_kid, ;)
[09:18] <grapple> google is never slow
[09:18] <juano> ok
[09:18] <sam> webmaren: yeah its green
[09:18] <Shadowpillar> [23727.650643]  usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 43
[09:18] <Shadowpillar> [23727.661973]  usb 4-1: device descriptor read/all, error -75
[09:18] <j_`> seriously though
[09:18] <Shadowpillar> Nontitle: any ideas?
[09:18] <webmaren> sam: I can do no more to help you
[09:18] <linux_kid> SLART, WEBMAREN, and N2DIY: Thaknx and Merry Christmas
[09:18] <Nontitle> possibly formatting would make it better?
[09:18] <jeeves_Moss> ShadowPillar:  I'm having hte same issues with USB issues
[09:18] <ryjowka> Hi
[09:18] <Nontitle> sudo cfdisk /dev/sda
[09:18] <jeeves_Moss> n2diy:  you're in here as well?  don't you ever sleep?
[09:18] <n2diy> linux_kid: thanks, same to you.
[09:18] <Slart> linux_kid: you're welcome.. and Merry Christmas to you too
[09:19] <sam> hrmm
[09:19] <The-Fox> anyone tried amd64 build ?
[09:19] <webmaren> linux_kid: np, that's why we come here
[09:19] <sam> perhaps ubuntu not compaitiable with my sound?
[09:19] <The-Fox> verion 6.1 of course
[09:19] <n2diy> jeeves_Moss: occasionally, merry Xmas.
[09:19] <linux_kid> grapple: try a google search right now... its slow for me
[09:19] <grapple> linux_kid I just did its like lightning!
[09:19] <Nontitle> is there any wa to figure out how much space is in the first 1024 cylinders of a hard drive?
[09:19] <jeeves_Moss> n2diy:  can you belive that I've YET to get any help with getting my GPS to work?
[09:20] <grapple> Can anyone here walk me through updating the Kernel's timer frequency to 1000hz in ubuntu 6.06.1 server ?
[09:20] <linux_kid> 0.09 seconds is a long time
[09:20] <j_`> use dd to get first 1024 cylinders
[09:20] <CotRo|eR> lupine_85: i didnt sucess adding the resolution
[09:20] <oenwaytolive17> ok; there is a command prompt in the beginning, my bro erased the windows partition completely on it...i thought ubuntu couldnt recognize windows executables like a windows disc.
[09:20] <grapple> Results 1 - 10 of about 183 for ubuntu timer frequency 6.06.1. (0.29 seconds)
[09:20] <grapple> :P
[09:20] <n2diy> jeeves_Moss: yes, I saw your questions today, have you tried googling for your make, and model of the GPS, and D-bus?
[09:21] <juano> any luck fo0b4er??
[09:21] <jeeves_Moss> n2diy:  yep.  I did that first.  that's why I'm in here.
[09:21] <Nontitle> i'm trying to install Ubuntu Edgy on a 160GB hard drive and GRUB keeps giving me errors that it can't read past the first 1024 cylinders
[09:21] <fo0b4er> juano, thanks it worked perfectly!
[09:21] <juano> great! :):)
[09:21] <Nontitle> i'm trying to figure out how big to make the /boot partition
[09:21] <fo0b4er> juano, its great im using it right now, thanks again!
[09:21] <j_`> is it a bios thing
[09:21] <juano> enjoy your USB mouse under xubuntu fo0b4er!
[09:21] <grapple> Noone can help me update the timer frequency in ubuntu?
[09:22] <n2diy> jeeves_Moss: ok, then maybe there is an GPS IRC you could try?
[09:22] <fo0b4er> thanks juano
[09:22] <CotRo|eR> how to i configure x server to use a particular resolution??
[09:22] <jeeves_Moss> n2diy:  you're right.  it's #GPSD, and no one in there responds.
[09:22] <The-Fox> what to do when instllation problems happen ?
[09:22] <alexorange> what do u mean a perticualr resolution, cotrer
[09:22] <jeeves_Moss> juano: are you a wiz with USB stuff?
[09:23] <n2diy> jeeves_Moss: A D-bus forum?
[09:23] <juano> lol, just fixed fo0b4er mouse on laptop
[09:23] <juano> jeeves_Moss:
[09:23] <oenwaytolive17> grap, ok; there is a command prompt in the beginning, my bro erased the windows partition completely on it...i thought ubuntu couldnt recognize windows executables like a windows disc.
[09:23] <j_`> i have mounted a fat32 partition in linux. folders which are +r in dos/windows are not writable even by root, but all other files are is there a flag i can add in my fstab or something?
[09:23] <juano> jeeves_Moss: just fixed fo0b4er mouse on laptop
[09:23] <jeeves_Moss> n2diy: so far, nothing.
[09:23] <n2diy> CotRo|eR: Yes, there is, but you need to know all the details of your system.
[09:23] <kalila> if a file exists, and i install some deb that has a file there
[09:23] <jeeves_Moss> juano:  I'm trying to get my USB GPS (the one that comes with M$ streets and trips) to work corectly.
[09:23] <kalila> what happens
[09:23] <CotRo|eR> n2diy: how?
[09:23] <andoh> I'm having a problem with dvd playback. It seems that the audio is a half second or so behind the video. I'm using the kaffiene and xine players. And they both do the same thing.
[09:24] <knightI7> while installing ubuntu my screen is going wierd..
[09:24] <Nontitle> kaffiene uses the xine engine
[09:24] <n2diy> CotRo|eR: run xorg.conf, but if don't know what your doing, you can get into trouble.
[09:24] <andoh> Well, I'm having the dvd problem. :)
[09:24] <kohr_> someone tell me what i am doing wrong with mounting my ipod
[09:24] <andoh> The vid and audio aren't synced.
[09:24] <knightI7> but it works fine in safe graphics mode
[09:24] <kohr_> i want to mount it to /mnt/ipod
[09:25] <Nontitle> kohr_: ipod's don't usually mount
[09:25] <kohr_> what?
[09:25] <Nontitle> you have to use gtkpod
[09:25] <alexorange> CotRo|eR: what do u mean a perticular resolution? are u trying to force a setting that it is not recognizing?
[09:25] <oenwaytolive17> is it possible because i dont have a windows partition anymore, it wont recognize windows based discs??
[09:25] <kohr_> i am following http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:FFr-yBHQWKkJ:amarok.kde.org/files/articles/ipod_amarok_tux_june05.pdf+ipod+amarok&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
[09:25] <knightI7> do anyone know what is this safe graphics mode ?
[09:25] <andoh> Is there a way to adjust the audio/video sync?
[09:25] <sam> can anyone help me with this?
[09:26] <j_`> oenwaytolive17, no. in your bios do you have it set to boot from cd
[09:26] <CotRo|eR> alexorange: my ubuntu only shows 1024x768 maximum resolution, i want to add 1280x1024
[09:26] <ThePub> knightI7: as in?  if you just want video to work you can use fbdev or vesa modes
[09:26] <kohr_> i am doing it so i can use it with amarok
[09:26] <jeeves_Moss> n2diy:  I'll be back.  there is someone in GPSD today!
[09:26] <jeeves_Moss> n2diy:  join us if you want #gpsd
[09:26] <alexorange> CotRo|eR: okay, that should be pretty easy to set up
[09:26] <kariclos> i can't download any video, only pictures why? anybody?
[09:26] <The-Fox> anyone care for helping with instllation issues ?
[09:26] <oenwaytolive17> j do u got any instant messenger, i wanna explain to you what is going on
[09:26] <knightI7> ThePub: this happens while I am using a live cd
[09:27] <andoh> And totem doesn't like mms://
[09:27] <kariclos> I am using ubuntu5.04
[09:27] <alexorange> CotRo|eR: if u could message me ur /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:27] <CotRo|eR> k wait 2 mins i ll do that alexorange
[09:27] <morvok> anyone have a guess of the speed difference in a SCSI2 and an IDE drive running UDMA100
[09:27] <alexorange> okay
[09:27] <knightI7> any idea
[09:27] <kohr_> nontitle, quote from tux magazine "Your iPod has to be mounted under /mnt/ipod for amaroK to pick it up. Now
[09:27] <kohr_> launch amaroK, and navigate to the Device browser. Here you will see ..."
[09:28] <infidel> !palm
[09:28] <ubotu> A good guide for setting up Palm devices is at http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/PalmOS-HOWTO.html#PC-CONNECT-USB
[09:28] <alexorange> i have never heard of 'safe graphics mode' is this for Xorg?
[09:28] <nolimitsoya> morvok, the scsi would consume less cpu time, but other than that, its dependant on drive performance rather than interface
[09:28] <hangfire> The-Fox- what issues do you have
[09:28] <Nontitle> oh
[09:28] <Nontitle> !ipod
[09:28] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[09:28] <The-Fox> hangfire -> after the kernel is loading
[09:28] <grapple> How do I change the timer frequency of my kernel to 1000hz ?
[09:28] <The-Fox> I am getting the orange background
[09:28] <sam> how can i test the sound using /dev/dsp in command line?
[09:28] <The-Fox> with a bar that looks like a corrupted one
[09:28] <The-Fox> and thats it
[09:28] <kohr_> sam use festival!
[09:29] <The-Fox> no loading, the CD-ROm and HD are idleing
[09:29] <nolimitsoya> kohr_, how your ipoding going? :)
[09:29] <kohr_> sam, echo hello |festival --tts
[09:29] <The-Fox> no response
[09:29] <The-Fox> I tried some boot parameters with not a lot of luck
[09:29] <oenwaytolive17> j_ i cant find out how to get advanced options on bios
[09:29] <The-Fox> I am using the 6.10 AMD64 build
[09:29] <sam> kohr_: when typying that I didn't hear anything
[09:29] <kohr_> nolimitsoya, not to well, i got amarok but i am having trouble mounting it
[09:29] <morvok> nolimitsoya: I would assume slower for the sheer fact that the scsi drives are old 10K 4.3
[09:30] <hangfire> The-Fox- dont know, I was hoping it would be an easier problem
[09:30] <kohr_> sam, is your volume up?
[09:30] <The-Fox> me too :P
[09:30] <CotRo|eR> alexorange: http://pastebin.ca/291837
[09:30] <sam> kohr_: how can I make sure my sound device is turned on orloaded?
[09:30] <The-Fox> looks like some graphics problem
[09:30] <The-Fox> any ideas on hot to use text mode or somethong more like "Safe Mode"
[09:30] <kohr_> sam, system>prefrences>sound
[09:30] <hangfire> The-Fox- might be an issue with the bootloader, but dont know much about that
[09:30] <The-Fox> I tried the safe mode on the boot, no change
[09:30] <nolimitsoya> morvok, in that case you should expect lower reponsetimes with the scsi, but perhaps better sustained transfer with the newer pata :)
[09:30] <Slart> can I run a command using bash with a certain priority/nice-level?
[09:31] <The-Fox> hangfire- it seems like the boot is OK
[09:31] <The-Fox> it loads the kernel, and it's good
[09:31] <The-Fox> and then after about 3-4 minutes of loading, with the bar moving around
[09:31] <The-Fox> it loads to the orange screen
[09:31] <The-Fox> and athen I get the eird little gray bar
[09:32] <morvok> nolimitsoya: maybe i should just move that SCSI stuff to my U10, stupid crap IDE controller :)
[09:32] <The-Fox> weird*
[09:32] <nolimitsoya> morvok, try it out and do some benchmarking. its fun, and not too timeconsuming! :D
[09:32] <kohr_> i am getting this error, "christopher@Light:/$ sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/ipod/nt/ipod/
[09:32] <kohr_> mount: No medium found
[09:33] <Slart> nevermind, found it
[09:33] <kohr_> when i try and mount my ipod
[09:33] <sam> kohr_: can you help me figure out what sound device im using in sound options it has HDA ATI SB listed
[09:33] <The-Fox> anyone else here can help me with my instllation problem ?
[09:33] <alexorange> CotRo|er: okay, all u need to do is append the following to line 148:
[09:33] <alexorange> Modes      "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[09:33] <alexorange> change it to:
[09:33] <alexorange> Modes      "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[09:33] <The-Fox> hangfire- is there is any boot parameter to show the verbosity in the backgound ?
[09:33] <CotRo|eR> tnx alexorange: now after that I restart the system?
[09:33] <kohr_> sam, not really, i suck at sound, try looking in alsa mixer also
[09:34] <webmaren> how do I set up 1200x800 on edgy with an ati card?
[09:34] <sam> kohr_: i did
[09:34] <kohr_> sam what exactly is the problem
[09:34] <hangfire> The-Fox- Ive had too much eggnog, Im sure there is, cant remember
[09:35] <The-Fox> eggnog ?
[09:35] <kohr_> its alchaholic
[09:35] <hangfire> yes- "real eggnog"
[09:35] <alexorange> CotRo|eR: yes, or you can restart Xserver by pressing ctrl+alt+backspace. all of open programs will close, tho. so make sure its saved
[09:36] <The-Fox> hehe
[09:36] <CotRo|eR> ok tnx alexorange :D
[09:36] <The-Fox> sounds like biahhh
[09:36] <CotRo|eR> Happy Christmas
[09:36] <kohr_> merry
[09:36] <kohr_> merry christmas
[09:36] <Tank_> Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu 6.10 using the alternative cd.. When I press "Install in text mode" it's running until it says "Starting system log daemon: syslogd, klogd" and then it freezes, doesn't get any further
[09:37] <The-Fox> Tank_ how do you install in tect mode ?
[09:37] <linux_kid> Does Linuxant work in edgy?
[09:37] <The-Fox> text*
[09:37] <The-Fox> I am having problem with the Instllation myself
[09:37] <Slart> Tank_: I had some trouble (still has) booting with things connected to the USB port.. try disconnecting external USB drives etc..see if that works
[09:37] <kohr_> installation
[09:37] <The-Fox> Ithink it's related to the gfx somehow
[09:37] <kohr_> not instllation
[09:37] <webmaren> anybody know how to get 1200x800 to work in edgy on an ati graphics card
[09:38] <sucks05> how to install edgy not in live cd ??
[09:38] <Tank_> The-Fox: I uses the alternative cd, it boots from the cd and gives me the screen where I can choose text mode installation?
[09:38] <infidel> !ir
[09:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ir - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:38] <sam> this sucks no sound
[09:38] <sam> :(
[09:38] <Thms> Need I AMD64 or i386 for a core 2 duo ?
[09:39] <sam> forums dont have info
[09:39] <The-Fox> AMD64
[09:39] <Thms> The-Fox: and is there xgl on ubuntu?
[09:39] <The-Fox> cuse it includes EMT64 which is AMD 64
[09:39] <Tank_> Slart: I'll just try that, thanks :)
[09:39] <The-Fox> xgl ?
[09:39] <Thms> :o
[09:39] <Slart> Tank_: hope that makes it work.. good luck
[09:39] <kohr_> sam, try it with a diffrent sound card
[09:39] <The-Fox> lol I am trying to intall Ubuntu with no luck
[09:39] <sucks05> can we install edgy without running live cd ??
[09:40] <sam> kohr_: another sound card?
[09:40] <Tank_> sucks05: Use the alternative cd :)
[09:40] <shogo3d> Merry Christmas!
[09:40] <kohr_> sam, it might be a hardware problem, like no drivers
[09:40] <webmaren> my xorg.conf file has 1200x800 set up
[09:40] <The-Fox> but core 2 duo has EMT 64 which is equal to x8-646
[09:40] <The-Fox> * x86-64
[09:40] <shogo3d> hello fellow linux users! I am using Gnome instead of KDE.. and I have questions
[09:41] <kohr_> sam, alternatily, try using a knoppix live cd,
[09:41] <kohr_> see if that works
[09:41] <webmaren> shogo3d: gnome is the default for ubuntu, ask away
[09:41] <Slart> !ask shogo3d
[09:41] <shogo3d> In Gnome, when I drag windows.. it leaves a trail (split second) of itself...   does KDE do this?
[09:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask shogo3d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:41] <Slart> shogo3d: just ask
[09:41] <Thms> What are the difference betwin server, alternate and desktop ?
[09:42] <shogo3d> !ask does KDE leave trails of windows like Gnome does during drag operations?
[09:42] <shogo3d> hehe..  bot isn't that smart yet.. my bad
[09:42] <shogo3d> I have all 3 platforms, mac, win, lin
[09:42] <Slart> shogo3d: eh.. I haven't seen any trails.. do you want it to? =)
[09:42] <kohr_> can a bot really be "smart"?
[09:43] <webmaren> ...doubt it
[09:43] <The-Fox> I still need help with instllation troublshooting
[09:43] <shogo3d> slart:  no.. I don't... I want all refreshes to be perfect like win and mac
[09:43] <The-Fox> anyone ?
[09:43] <kohr_> really, all it can do is analyze language
[09:43] <Slart> shogo3d: I mean.. the windows follow the mouse pointer..
[09:43] <Thms> What are the difference betwin server, alternate and desktop ?
[09:43] <grapple> !ask I just did make menuconfig and I am tring to find the place to change the timer frequency to 1000hz, anyone know where it is at?
[09:43] <shogo3d> slart:  well.. its almost in realtime.. but there is a fraction of a second delay
[09:43] <Slart> shogo3d: if you're wondering what it feels like/look like.. why not download the live cd and give it a spin?
[09:43] <Zaggynl> Anyone uses mpd and gmpc in here?
[09:44] <shogo3d> slart: I have a decent system too.. Pentum 4 with 2 gigs ram and 6800 ultra
[09:44] <shogo3d> slart: I am on gnome rite now.. and ran out of room for kde
[09:44] <Slart> shogo3d: mm, almost like mine.. AMD 64, 2 gigs.. and a nvidia card on that
[09:44] <The-Fox> Amd64 Kills P4
[09:44] <shogo3d> slart: do you see perfect refreshes in your gnome?
[09:44] <The-Fox> too bad Core 2 Duo kills AMD64 :/
[09:44] <drach> !alternate
[09:44] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[09:45] <Slart> shogo3d: well.. perfect? I'm not that picky.. what do you mean "perfect refresh" ?
[09:45] <shogo3d> slart: basically.. my other windows won't refresh until 1/2 a second later
[09:45] <drach> !alternate | Thms
[09:45] <ubotu> Thms: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[09:45] <shogo3d> lets say Gaim is moved
[09:45] <shogo3d> Gaim won't draw itself until a 1/2 a second later
[09:45] <shogo3d> and if you move a browser across Gaim...
[09:45] <Slart> shogo3d: well.. there is a short delay until the windows underneath redraw.. I don't know how long.. 1/10 of a second perhaps..
[09:45] <The-Fox> how do I use text mode in instllation
[09:45] <shogo3d> then it disappears and redraws itself later
[09:46] <sucks05> where i can get alternative cd ??
[09:46] <Slart> sucks05: it isn't available on the ubuntu site?
[09:46] <Pulshion> hi, doesn anyone know if it is possible to have video-in on ubuntu? and merry xmas
[09:46] <shogo3d> slart: basically it is very minor.. but kinda irritating because I have to wait for the win to redraw itself.. dragging seems to be slogging in gnome
[09:46] <HnH> www.oldp.net/?l=Prorok (Please click on link)www.oldp.net/?l=Prorok (Please click on link)
[09:46] <kohr_> merry christmas
[09:46] <kohr_> HOHOHO
[09:46] <sucks05> Slart : ok thx bro i will chek it
[09:47] <Slart> shogo3d: yes.. I kind of agree.. considering the hardware these days we shouldn't see any delay at all.. but I guess people are busy making paperclips for office and such =)
[09:47] <shogo3d> slart: ahahaha
[09:47] <shogo3d> slart:  other than that.. Gnome is really sweeeet
[09:48] <kohr_> a fluxbox is good too
[09:48] <Slart> shogo3d: but there are plenty of desktop-thingies on linux.. window maker.. enlightment.. and a whole bunch more
[09:48] <Slart> shogo3d: there's bound to be one that is nice =)
[09:48] <shogo3d> slart:  do u think that the 3d desktop will get rid of the delay since OpenGL will draw it instead of CPU?
[09:48] <michelp> shogo3d, i hated gnome until I figured out Ctrl-L
[09:48] <grapple> For christ sake can someone help me change my timer frequency to 1000hz ?
[09:48] <michelp> now it's easy ;)
[09:48] <kohr_> whats ctrl l?
[09:48] <michelp> try it
[09:48] <Slart> shogo3d: I haven't tried xgl/compiz/beryl etc etc.. it might
[09:48] <michelp> on your desktop
[09:48] <kohr_> WHAT
[09:48] <Tank_> Slart: I'm in now, might have been the usb hub in my monitor that caused the problem, thanks! :)
[09:48] <Slart> shogo3d: but as far as I know... the 3d desktops on linux aren't really mature yet
[09:48] <shogo3d> slart: I saw a video from Suse with 3d desktop and it was soooooo fast.. I did not see delays!
[09:49] <Pulshion> so, does anyone know how to do Video-In on linux?
[09:49] <The-Fox> I need help with instllation please
[09:49] <kohr_> where did the text go?
[09:49] <Slart> Tank_: glad I could help
[09:49] <kohr_> what does it it, delete the log?
[09:49] <shogo3d> slart: so i was thinking maybe its my vid card
[09:49] <webmaren> shogo3d: that's because the demo was probably done on a workstation
[09:49] <Slart> shogo3d: bah.. the 6600 should be fast enough.. considering what it can do in games.. 2d should be a piece of cake
[09:49] <shogo3d> webmaren: ah.. i see.. so its time for me to upgrade to core 2
[09:49] <kohr_> oh, thats nice
[09:49] <webmaren> shogo: w/e
[09:49] <shogo3d> slart: thats what i was thinking too
[09:50] <shogo3d> quad core is for workstations.. so the consumer version should be out for us soon :)
[09:50] <Slart> shogo3d: I haven't had the chance to try a true 2d desktop card.. matrox or nvidia quadro.. those might be better.. perhaps
[09:50] <kohr_> are computers really getting that much faster though?
[09:50] <grapple> Can I get some help?
[09:50] <webmaren> you can buy quads now
[09:50] <shogo3d> slart: hmm.. dam.. quadro!! ouch
[09:50] <kohr_> will quad core really help?
[09:50] <dht> hi there
[09:51] <kohr_> !quad core
[09:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quad core - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:51] <als> hi
[09:51] <dht> anyone is using mame under ubuntu edgy?
[09:51] <Slart> shogo3d: but those cost a leg and a couple of arms.. and no games.. =)
[09:51] <grapple> Can I get some help?
[09:51] <kohr_> !stuff i know about
[09:51] <Slart> !help
[09:51] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:51] <shogo3d> slart: yea.. quadro is cool for 3d pros... but i prefer the gaming card relatives.. yea.. i'm a guilty microsoft windows user too hehe
[09:51] <n1gke> hi als
[09:51] <webmaren> if ubotu is all-knowing
[09:51] <kohr_> !windows
[09:51] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[09:52] <webmaren> !christmas
[09:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about christmas - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:52] <kohr_> lol
[09:52] <shogo3d> but so far i am enjoying ubuntu for a few weeks
[09:52] <webmaren> ubotu has failed
[09:52] <shogo3d> !windows
[09:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about has failed - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:52] <apokryphos> !botabuse
[09:52] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[09:52] <Slart> shogo3d: hehe.. yea.. I just recently switched to ubuntu myself.. stupid windows 2000 wont support my 64 bit processor.. bah..
[09:52] <The-Fox> help with instllation anyone ?
[09:52] <The-Fox> instllation*
[09:52] <kohr_> !google
[09:52] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[09:53] <kohr_> !microsoft
[09:53] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[09:53] <shogo3d> slart: sweet! 64bit...  wow.. i have yet to try that..  I wonder how cool it is to render in 64 bit with something like 64 bit lightwave.. but i'm off topic
[09:53] <shogo3d> !microsoft
[09:53] <Slart> The-Fox: I think I would have answered if I could.. but repeat the question again.. I might have just missed it
[09:53] <webmaren> haha
[09:53] <kohr_> !Fendora
[09:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Fendora - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:53] <kohr_> !gentoo
[09:53] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[09:53] <apokryphos> !botabuse | kohr_
[09:53] <ubotu> kohr_: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[09:53] <webmaren> !Fedoras
[09:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Fedoras - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:53] <apokryphos> Guys, stop playing with the bot.
[09:53] <shogo3d> !Fedora
[09:53] <dnite> is there any way to 'rename' hot plugged media? like thumb drives, flash cards and usb hard drives? so they don't always show up up as usbdisk-#
[09:53] <The-Fox> Slart: after the boot loads up
[09:53] <Slart> shogo3d: mm.... haven't tried anything really heavy yet.. but so far it all works ok..
[09:53] <The-Fox> I am getting the orange background
[09:53] <webmaren> apokryphos: awww....
[09:53] <kohr_> hey, the pipe command still works
[09:53] <The-Fox> and a weird little gray bar
[09:54] <Slart> The-Fox: the splash screen?
[09:54] <The-Fox> and then system gets into idle and nothing happens
[09:54] <apokryphos> webmaren: you can investigate with him in /msg, or -bots
[09:54] <The-Fox> Slart: lets start from the beggining OK ?
[09:54] <kohr_> what is -bots?
[09:54] <Slart> The-Fox: tried disconnecting any USB drives? ..
[09:54] <grapple> SORRY FOR ALL CAPS BUT I HAVE ASKED MY QUESTION ABOUT 15 TIMES WITH NO RESPONCE. I HAVE DONE "make menuconfig" TO CONFIGURE THE KERNEL AND I AM TRING TO FIND OUT HOW TO CHANGE THE TIMER FREQUENCY TO 1000HZ.
[09:54] <apokryphos> kohr_: #ubuntu-bots
[09:54] <The-Fox> no I didn't
[09:54] <The-Fox> I only have my mouse
[09:54] <Slart> grapple: I HAVE NO IDEA...
[09:55] <idlemind> try #kernel
[09:55] <Slart> The-Fox: ok.. something else then.. can you boot in recovery mode?
[09:55] <juano> The-Fox: what seems to be the problem?
[09:55] <grapple> Thank you idlemind
[09:55] <apokryphos> webmaren: Ubugtu has even more fun features; see in -offtopic
[09:55] <The-Fox> SLart: first, I have the Boot screen
[09:55] <The-Fox> then, I get the loading screen
[09:55] <apokryphos> grapple: not being responded to is not a reason to be able to use caps
[09:55] <apokryphos> !patience
[09:55] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[09:55] <The-Fox> the loading bar is moving
[09:56] <The-Fox> after that, I get into a new screen
[09:56] <The-Fox> just before that there are 2 text lines says the boot or kernel is loading
[09:56] <Slart> The-Fox: the login-screen?
[09:56] <The-Fox> no, I am talking about Instllation
[09:56] <Slart> ah.. sorry
[09:56] <The-Fox> hehe
[09:56] <The-Fox> does it amkes more sense now ?
[09:56] <The-Fox> makes*
[09:56] <Slart> yes..
[09:56] <devout> Can anyone help me with why I cant get channels detected on my TV Tuner w/ xawtv http://pastebin.com/844822
[09:56] <The-Fox> ok
[09:57] <Slart> and at that screen.. it freezes?
[09:57] <The-Fox> now, there is a gray bar
[09:57] <CotRo|eR> how do I make gkrellm run automatically on startup ?
[09:57] <The-Fox> and after that, nothing happenes
[09:57] <The-Fox> CD-ROM and HD are idle
[09:57] <Slart> The-Fox: are you running the alternate install version?
[09:57] <n2diy> The-Fox: where is the grey bar?
[09:57] <The-Fox> I am using alt install, AMD 64
[09:57] <The-Fox> grey bar is in the middle
[09:58] <Zaggynl> waugh
[09:58] <The-Fox> the very bottom of it looks weird, little dots in different colors
[09:58] <n2diy> The-Fox: ok, so it isn't your task bar loading.
[09:58] <Slart> hmm.. can't really remember.. I just ran the installation once.. don't really remember.. but it shouldn't just die..
[09:58] <dnite> CotRo|eR, go to System -> Preferences -> Sessions ... in the Startup Programs tab, add the command u'd like to start @ startup
[09:58] <curs0r_> someone, please, i need help... my samba client will not connect to my windows machine's shares, nor can my windows machine connect to my samba shares
[09:58] <The-Fox> anyway to bring some verbosity ?
[09:58] <juano> curs0r_ i can help you
[09:59] <curs0r_> my xbox connects to both though O.o
[09:59] <The-Fox> SLart: I am running Opteron 170 with 2GB of RAM
[09:59] <juano> curs0r edit /etc/smb.conf and replace security = user to security = share
[09:59] <The-Fox> Nvidia 7800GT
[09:59] <dnite> curs0r, it probably has something to do w/ samba users vs linux users vs windows users .. they all have to match, for the most part...
[09:59] <steven> I forgot a name of an application.  It streams music and connects to like shoutcast, etc.  Its icon is a Green play button.  I cannot seem to find it anymore, does anyone know what application im talking about?
[10:00] <juano> curs0r /etc/samba/smb.conf sorry
[10:00] <dnite> curs0r, ya, i was just going to suggest what juano said.. change the security to share..
[10:00] <steven> it would allow you to stream music to amarok, xmms, etc.
[10:00] <Slart> The-Fox: I have no idea.. perhaps there is a way to make it print out more text about what it is doing.. a verbose switch somewhere perhaps.. but I'm just guessing.. someone else perhaps knows more?
[10:00] <todayalemon> hello! where do i get help with nfs shares? i want to share files between two ubuntu machines. the wiki on the german site ubuntuusers.de was clear and easy to understand and i dont see where i made the mistake (mount to NFS server '192.168.0.4' failed: server is down.)
[10:00] <CotRo|eR> tnx dnite
[10:00] <kohr_> i think your server  is down
[10:01] <juano> curs0r ?? any luck?
[10:01] <dnite> does anyone know how to rename removable media so they don't always get mounted at usbdisk-1, usbdisk-2 .. i'd like to give them a little more meaningful names for each of my usb storage devices...
[10:01] <The-Fox> Slart: I will try to play with boot parameters
[10:02] <The-Fox> Slart: do you happenly know if it matters if I put the string at the beggining or at the end of the boot string ?
[10:02] <infidel> anyone running a palm tx with ubuntu?
[10:02] <juano> dnite what kind of media?
[10:02] <Slart> The-Fox: check the manual for grub before you reboot..
[10:02] <juano> stick, ipod?
[10:02] <jroes> there used to be an article about running ubuntu on slower machines, does anyone happen to have that link handy?  I've been googling and searching the wiki for a while today and I can't seem to find it...
[10:02] <todayalemon> ?
[10:02] <Slart> The-Fox: I think/guess/hope it doesn't matter..
[10:03] <The-Fox> :/
[10:03] <The-Fox> 10x anyway Slart
[10:03] <Slart> The-Fox: but check the grub man page.. it's bound to be there
[10:03] <dnite> juano, usb thumb drives, flash cards, usb hard drives... they all get automatically named w/ an incrimental usbdisk-# .. i'd like to give them mount points that mean something instead...
[10:03] <slop> help! i just got a new dvd burner, video card (old one ati, new one nvidia), and a new sound card (old ensoniq, new sound blaster)....is installing these as easy as just plugging them all in and rebooting?  or is there something i need to do beforehand?
[10:03] <juano> mmm dnite try editing purhaps your mtab or fstab
[10:03] <n2diy> dnite: right click on the device, select properties, and then you can select a new symbol for it.
[10:04] <kohr_> cd ..
[10:04] <todayalemon> is this actually the right place to ask?
[10:04] <hou5ton> anyone here play Frozen Bubble?
[10:04] <dimas__> jroes: try xubuntu  site  for  that.
[10:04] <The-Fox> Slart: link please ?
[10:04] <kohr_> hou5ton whats that?
[10:04] <The-Fox> Slart: I am pretty new at linux
[10:04] <Slart> The-Fox: one second.. I'll check
[10:04] <jroes> hm, xubuntu
[10:04] <hou5ton> some game I came across that is supposed to be interesting ... but I can't find any instructions.
[10:04] <jroes> cool, thanks
[10:04] <Slart> The-Fox: this one should work
[10:05] <kohr_> try armagetron
[10:05] <Slart> The-Fox: darn enter key... http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/grub.8.html
[10:05] <dnite> juano, i did try a while back to edit my fstab.. but i think gnome-volume-manager handles that so it's almost irrelevant and i believe it broke stuff... just can't seem to find any settings for it...
[10:05] <dimas__> jroes: here it is http://www.xubuntu.org/
[10:05] <The-Fox> Slart: SPanx a lot m8 !
[10:05] <Zaggynl> #/join mpd
[10:05] <Zaggynl> ..
[10:05] <Slart> The-Fox: no worries.. good luck
[10:05] <jroes> dimas__: thankyas
[10:05] <kohr_> LOL
[10:05] <webmaren> zaggynl: lol
[10:05] <kohr_> er
[10:05] <n2diy> dnite: right click on the device, select properties, and then you can select a new symbol for it, like camera, etc...
[10:05] <kohr_> scates
[10:05] <Zaggynl> <:o)
[10:05] <webmaren> "/join #mpd"
[10:05] <Zaggynl> yes yes
[10:05] <gaten> running ldconfig gives me this error (among others): ldconfig: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.9746 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. I just upgraded to 2.6.15-27-k7 from i386. Now I can't get nvidia drivers working. Ive read most of the guides and they don't mention a ldconfig problem. any ideas?
[10:06] <taTeCL> Hi, i want a million dollar, cand anybody help me?
[10:06] <webmaren> taTeCL: no
[10:06] <The-Fox> Slart: how od I use this messages ?
[10:06] <taTeCL> :o(
[10:06] <juano> dnite ok, ill try to come up ith something
[10:06] <The-Fox> SLart: Can i use it at the boot ?
[10:06] <dnite> n2diy, i'm not really concerned about the 'symbol' .. i'd like to change the mount point.. so i don't have to remember what order i plugged stuff in, so i can quickly type /media/thumbdrive or /media/sdcard instead of needing to know what # usbdisk it is.
[10:07] <Slart> The-Fox: isn't there a little option at the start.. just when you boot the install cd..
[10:07] <hou5ton> never mind ... found it
[10:07] <dnite> juano, thanks.. if u come up with anything, lemme know.. it's not too important.. but it's a little annoying to me...
[10:07] <Slart> The-Fox: I might be thinking about the Debian install disk.. not sure
[10:07] <curs0r_> juano,  sorry, i'm back, can you help me?
[10:07] <The-Fox> Slart: there is, I'll try that
[10:07] <juano> curs0r_
[10:07] <n2diy> dnite, you can mount them from the desktop, and if you give them new symbols you can keep track of what is what.
[10:07] <juano> edit your /etc/samba/smb.conf change security = user to security = share
[10:07] <curs0r_> ok
[10:08] <The-Fox> Going on to my way
[10:08] <The-Fox> hopefully with some more luck
[10:08] <juano> with root of course curs0r_ :P
[10:08] <gaten> anyone ever see any errors similar to this: ldconfig: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.9746 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. It happens whenever ldconfig is run (like when un/installing anything(
[10:08] <dnite> n2diy, i know that. i'm not worried about being able to see what it is on the desktop, i'm more concerned about being able to access them quickly from the command line w/o having the #'s change and all ... i'd like each of my usb mass storage devices to have a seperate, static mount point.
[10:09] <juano> then go to places, connect to server and enter the other PC you want to connect to's name curs0r_
[10:09] <Pulshion> so, does anyone know how to do Video-In on linux?
[10:09] <juano> curs0r_:  and select windows share in menu
[10:09] <n2diy> dnite, ok, good luck.
[10:09] <curs0r_> thanks juano, works great
[10:10] <Slart> gaten: nope, never seen that before.. but I'm guessing that file is broken.. tried reinstalling it?
[10:10] <ckuethe> FYI, your gpsd port is massively out of date
[10:10] <juano> good :)
[10:10] <wend> anyone have any experience with configuring exim4 to support multiple domains?
[10:10] <sam> can someone please help me get my sound working?
[10:10] <juano> dnite http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131, this talks a lot bout fstab, maybe can be some sort of help
[10:11] <gaten> Slart: my problem is im not sure where it comes from. i'm thnking its from the nvidia binary drivers, but i tried to uninstall/reinstall, no go
[10:11] <dnite> juano, thanks.. i'll take a look
[10:11] <Slart> gaten: mm, that sounds plausible..  I'll have a look.. see if I've got one too
[10:12] <whyameye> !sound | sam
[10:12] <ubotu> sam: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[10:12] <sam> thanks
[10:13] <gaten> Slart: thanks. i can;t get X up anymore, and resetting the xserver config doesnt fix it
[10:13] <Slart> gaten: running 32bit? 64 bit?
[10:13] <webmaren> wow I'm building fglrx
[10:13] <webmaren> time for some waiting
[10:14] <webmaren> lalalalalalala
[10:14] <gaten> Slat: 32bit
[10:14] <webmaren> wow that was fast
[10:14] <dimas__> gaten: have you installed Nvidia via NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run or some other way ?
[10:14] <gaten> dimas: yes, but i uninstalled it w/ the installers uninstall option.
[10:15] <gaten> it didn't work, so i decided to try the ubuntu drivers. that hasnt worked either
[10:15] <Slart> gaten: and a reinstall from nvidias binary package doesn't fix it?
[10:15] <Savage-{> !beryl
[10:15] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[10:15] <dimas__> yeah, what does  'file' say on that  shared library, does it deduce it to somethings like : ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), stripped
[10:16] <gaten> Slart: correct. ive tried quite a few times.
[10:16] <juano> gaten: what seems to be the problem?
[10:16] <Slart> gaten: yes.. as dimas__ said.. run "file /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.9746"
[10:16] <gaten> /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.9746: data
[10:16] <curs0r_> juano, how do i get the writable one to be writable?
[10:16] <gaten> juano: x wont start after upgrading the kernel to k7 and installing nvidia drivers
[10:16] <curs0r_> juano, i set it up as writable but...
[10:17] <HnH> www.oldp.net/?l=Prorok (Please click on link)
[10:17] <Slart> hmm. data.. mine says "/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.9746: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), stripped"
[10:17] <Slart> gaten: have you tried downloading the install package from nvidia again?
[10:18] <juano> mmm, gaten , try init 3, then enter /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change driver "nv" to driver "nvidia"
[10:18] <gaten> Slart: no. think i got a bad install?
[10:18] <Zaggynl> I'm trying to give a user the right to read an usb drive, but it keeps saying it's mounted read only
[10:18] <juano> gaten: check too see if its in "nvidia"
[10:18] <dimas__> try booting into rescue kernel, and reinstalling from NVIDIA 's own package
[10:18] <Slart> gaten: either that.. or something else happened to the file
[10:18] <gaten> dimas: i'm in rescue. and i have tried that
[10:18] <juano> curs0r_: sorry whats the prob??
[10:18] <dimas__> then come back to the normal kernel and see if it detect mismatch on the driver,and reinstall again .
[10:18] <curs0r_> juano, that is to say that in the shared folders tool i unchecked readonly for one of the drives but it does not allow writing
[10:19] <n2diy> Zaggynl: what make usb drive?
[10:19] <gaten> junao: and i did change "nvidia" to "nv". that allows me to hear the drums, but still no display
[10:19] <sam> anyone?
[10:19] <Slart> Zaggynl: I'm not sure here.. but I think there's a user group for automatically mounted things.. floppies etc.. plug something.. plugdev perhaps
[10:19] <Zaggynl> Slart, thanks
[10:19] <curs0r_> mc__, did you get the beryl wpaper plugin from me yesterday?
[10:19] <sam> no sound for xmas
[10:19] <sam> damn
[10:19] <Zaggynl> Slart, I'm trying to do it like this: ' sudo chmod +r mpd /media/case'
[10:19] <mc__> curs0r_: what?
[10:19] <sam> ubotu: i tried those sites didn't work
[10:20] <Slart> Zaggynl: that only gives you read rights
[10:20] <gaten> dimas: ok, ill try the old kernel, see what happens. I'll still have the same problems in k7 though
[10:20] <whyameye> sam: what's the chipset for the card?
[10:20] <curs0r_> mc__, there was someone using that handle in the beryl room yesterday, sorry
[10:20] <juano> curs0r_: check your /etc/samba/smb.conf check to see if you configured master browser to yes, and also see for that in windows the drive is shared
[10:20] <Zaggynl> Slart, I need the mpd group only to read the music files
[10:20] <mc__> sam: ubotu is a bot
[10:20] <sam> whyameye: intel
[10:20] <sam> oh
[10:20] <whyameye> sam: intel what?
[10:20] <juano> curs0r_: in your smb.conf you should put on browseable = yes everything you can
[10:21] <sam> whyameye: aplay -l lists
[10:21] <sam> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[10:21] <sam> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB] , device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]  Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[10:21] <whyameye> sam: lspci and find the sound card...
[10:21] <sam> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB] , device 1: STAC92xx Digital [STAC92xx Digital]  Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[10:21] <gaten> dimas, juano and slart, thank you very much. ill try some of those ideas and come back later
[10:21] <Slart> Zaggynl: oh. sorry ... forgot your question.. try chmod g+r instead
[10:21] <Zaggynl> Slart, okay
[10:21] <juano> gaten: no prob, anytime
[10:21] <hc> hm. i have a built in sound card, on an old computer. ubuntu doesn't find it. what should i do?
[10:21] <dimas__> gaten: I have nvidia-installer.log in /var/log, it's pretty detailed: maybe there's something there to hint ?
[10:21] <sam> whyameye: http://pastebin.com/844791
[10:22] <Zaggynl> Slart, chmod: changing permissions of `/media/case': Read-only file system
[10:22] <sam> whyameye: i cant tell I think ATI SB
[10:22] <Slart> Zaggynl: hold on.. my bad
[10:23] <Slart> Zaggynl: sudo chmod o+r /media/case
[10:23] <curs0r_> path = /home/curs0r/windump available = yes browsable = yes public = yes writable = yes
[10:23] <Zaggynl> Slart, okay thanks
[10:23] <curs0r_> still doesn't write?
[10:23] <Slart> Zaggynl: that should give read rights to everyone for that directory.. if I got it right
[10:23] <gaten> dimas: im sorry, but i must go. perhaps another time
[10:23] <Zaggynl> Slart, I get the same message
[10:23] <Zaggynl> read only filesystem
[10:23] <juano> curs0r_: go to your smb.conf and check to see if writable = yes
[10:23] <dimas__> gaten: np, good luck
[10:24] <Slart> Zaggynl: oh.. what are you mounting there?
[10:24] <curs0r_> juano, yes it is
[10:24] <Zaggynl> Slart, it's an NTFS usb drive
[10:24] <cartesian1984> Where does firefox read it's default profile from, on the live CD?
[10:24] <Zaggynl> *a
[10:24] <juano> mm ok curs0r_, lets see what else it can be
[10:24] <sam> whyameye: did you get the site?
[10:24] <Slart> Zaggynl: is there some kind of write protect on it?
[10:24] <juano> curs0r_: your trying to share a windows drive to linux or viceversa>
[10:24] <Zaggynl> Slart, I need mpd to be able to read it, but it doesn't seem to have the right to even read it
[10:25] <whyameye> sam: well I'm not sure but the first thing I'd try is to make sure the backports are enabled in the repos and see if there is an update for alsa.
[10:25] <curs0r_> linux to windows
[10:25] <curs0r_> figured it would be easier
[10:25] <whyameye> sam: is this dapper?
[10:25] <Slart> Zaggynl: I think it's objecting to you even setting new rights on it.. since it's read only
[10:25] <sam> whyameye: I belive so im trying to get this working on my laptop
[10:26] <whyameye> sam: what laptop?
[10:26] <curs0r_> i'm just trying to dump the userdata from windows onto the machine here so i can put edgy on it
[10:26] <sam> whyameye: gateway
[10:26] <whyameye> sam: gateway what?
[10:26] <Slart> Zaggynl: what file system is on the usb drive?
[10:27] <Zaggynl> Slart, NTFS
[10:27] <Slart> Zaggynl: ntfs? =)
[10:27] <sam> whyameye: sorry gateway MX3702
[10:27] <Ash-Fox> !dvd
[10:27] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[10:27] <juano> curs0r_: you want to pass data from windows to linux and it wont let you write from windows to linux?
[10:27] <Slart> Zaggynl: ah.. that's it then.. linux and ntfs isn't quite friends yet... all implementations of ntfs I've seen has destroyed all data on the drive when writing to it.. so it's been disabled until it works
[10:27] <Slart> !ntfs
[10:27] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[10:27] <curs0r_> juano, correct
[10:28] <juano> curs0r_: ok sec
[10:28] <Slart> Zaggynl: have you tried unmounting it.. setting permissions.. then mounting it again?
[10:28] <Zaggynl> Yeah okay, I don't need or want write support, reading is fine, but for some weird reason, mpd is not adding the symlink to the usb drive to its list
[10:28] <orangefly> i want to start working on an offsite backup for friends of mine that have businesses....what is the simplest way for them to connect and backup from their windows machines to my ubuntu server at my house....???....
[10:28] <webmaren> i just installed fglrx and I still can't get my resolution to be 1200x800
[10:29] <alexorange> webmaren: what resolution are you stuck at?
[10:29] <curs0r_> that's a weird resolution
[10:29] <webmaren> alexorange: 1025x768
[10:29] <webmaren> curs0r: it's widescreen, and a foreign monitor
[10:30] <webmaren> but it worked in dapper
[10:30] <juano> curs0r_: funny you mention this, i only tried the viceversa now that you mention it , i tried it and same thing happened lol, let me check it out
[10:30] <webmaren> eventually
[10:30] <alexorange> have u edited your xorg.conf manually?
[10:30] <webmaren> alexorange: it's in there
[10:30] <curs0r_> juano, i did chmod 755 on the folder
[10:31] <juano> curs0r_:  did it work?
[10:31] <alexorange> is it a DVI monitor?
[10:31] <curs0r_> juano, didn't help but i did it
[10:31] <juano> curs0r_: ok
[10:31] <webmaren> alexorange: no D-SUB
[10:31] <webmaren> *no, dsub
[10:31] <no_comment> hi, i installed the mp3-codec, but i cant hear any sound in amarok. the drum sound at ubuntu-start is hearable. what can i do?
[10:31] <whyameye> sam: you could try a pastebin of lshw and see if that tells us more...
[10:32] <webmaren> whyameye: sam has quit ("Lost terminal")
[10:32] <alexorange> webbmaren: i had a similar problem recently, can you paste your /var/log/Xorg log file?
[10:32] <webmaren> what's the pastebin url
[10:32] <alexorange> paste.ubuntu-nl.org ?
[10:33] <curs0r_> juano, chmod 777 worked
[10:33] <VR_> hey all, im trying to install the kubuntu codecs, but they're not in the wiki anymore, in the restricted formats section.
[10:33] <VR_> or am i just not looking in the right place?
[10:34] <juano> ahh ok
[10:34] <curs0r_> juano, thanks for the help
[10:35] <webmaren> alexorange: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38804/
[10:35] <juano> curs0r_:  ok no prob, did you do chmod 777 "shared folder"?
[10:35] <webmaren> that's /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:35] <alexorange> okay, thnx i'll take a look thru it
[10:35] <orangefly> i want to start working on an offsite backup for friends of mine that have businesses....what is the simplest way for them to connect and backup from their windows machines to my ubuntu server at my house....???....
[10:36] <alex-weej> orangefly: webdav
[10:36] <alex-weej> orangefly: windows calls them "web folders"
[10:36] <curs0r_> juano, yes
[10:36] <curs0r_> juano, as root with samba stopped
[10:36] <juano> ok
[10:37] <kpel> hello
[10:37] <n2diy> orangefly: how big are you expecting the back ups to be?
[10:37] <curs0r_> let your hearts swell fellow nerds, another system casts off the chains of ms today
[10:38] <n2diy> curs0r_: Merry Xmas!
[10:38] <webmaren> i'll be back in a minute, I might have found the problem myself.
[10:38] <socomm> Question.
[10:38] <n1gke> merry Christmas everyone.....
[10:38] <curs0r_> n2diy, meh, save it for the christians lol
[10:38] <socomm> What's the best Sega emulator to use on Ubuntu?
[10:39] <juano> curs0r_:  that didnt work for me lol
[10:39] <alexorange> webmaren: i am not seeing it trying 1200x800 is it in ur xorg.conf, in the Screen Section?
[10:39] <socomm> Gens doesn't compile cleanly and neither does generator.
[10:39] <socomm> Thoughs?
[10:39] <socomm> s/Thoughs/Thoughts
[10:39] <orangefly> what kind of range matters....never over a gig or anything....
[10:40] <steven> Does anyone know why my wireless is sometimes eth1 or wlan0... its completely random, but i would like my wireless to stay the same.  I am using ndiswrapper and have blacklisted bcm43xx  I have had this problem ever since dapper.
[10:40] <alexorange> also it is a CRT monitor or Flatpanel?
[10:40] <n2diy> n1gke: Same to you, still looking for you on APRS, and now I am seeing stations in NE.
[10:41] <kitche> steven: you have to set a udev rule to make the alias hold to a MAC address
[10:41] <n2diy> gotta go, 73 all
[10:41] <SPOPPO> Hi
[10:41] <steven> kitche: then it will not change from wlan0 to eth1, etc
[10:42] <kitche> steven: the udev rule will hold that mac address to whatever you put the alias to
[10:42] <n1gke> ok, I am on APRS also, will look for oyu.
[10:43] <n1gke> n2diy: Are you using a ssid ? If yes, what ?
[10:43] <steven> kitche: awesome, so it will assign the NIC to an alias such as Wlan0, or Eth1 instead of it changing back and forth when i reboot?    AWESOME!  thank you
[10:43] <kitche> Steve: you have to edit /etc/udev/rules.d/10-network.rules
[10:43] <kitche> and put something like this in it SUBSYSTEM=="net", ATTRS{address}=="aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff", NAME="lan0"
[10:44] <webmaren> didn't work
[10:44] <webmaren> still stuck at 1024x768
[10:44] <n1gke> n2diy: I can see you via findu.com, but not in APRS mode.
[10:44] <als> webmaren...edit your xorg.conf
[10:45] <als> and add more resolution entries
[10:45] <steven> kitche: okay, and ifconfig will give me the MAC / HWaddr correct?
[10:45] <webmaren> als: i have
[10:45] <als> that's strange...that's all i had to do :(
[10:45] <Caplain_> what package has the bindir command?
[10:45] <SPOPPO> you tell me
[10:45] <kitche> steven: yes if you want you can pastebin the output of ifconfig and I'll tell you what your mac address is on your card
[10:45] <alexorange> i see this:
[10:45] <alexorange> 578. (II) fglrx(0): Supported VESA Video Modes:
[10:45] <n1gke> webmaren: Please post you xorg.conf for me someplace and tell me also the model of your monitor ?
[10:45] <alexorange> 579. (II) fglrx(0): 640x480@60Hz
[10:45] <alexorange> 580. (II) fglrx(0): 800x600@56Hz
[10:45] <alexorange> 581. (II) fglrx(0): 800x600@60Hz
[10:45] <alexorange> 582. (II) fglrx(0): 1024x768@60Hz
[10:45] <alexorange> as an issue
[10:45] <steven> kitche:  HWaddr 00:14:A5:22:B4:73
[10:45] <n1gke> webmaren: make & model that is
[10:46] <alexorange> i think, its not reading the DPMS from the monitor
[10:46] <QMario> MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!! :)
[10:47] <juano> curs0r_: it worked! chmod 777 with smb off
[10:47] <webmaren> n1gke: xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38806/
[10:47] <kitche> steven: ok edit /etc/udev/rules.d/10-network.rules and in it add SUBSYSTEM=="net", ATTRS{address}=="00:14:A5:22:B4:73", NAME="eth1" if you want that card to be eth1
[10:47] <steven> kitche: okay do i create the file if it doesn't exist?
[10:47] <juano> curs0r_: didnt work with home dir, made new dir , did chmod with smbd stop and then worked when i did smbd start
[10:47] <The-Fox> No luck at all after trying to install 6.10 AMD64
[10:47] <curs0r_> juano, cool ^^
[10:47] <kitche> steven: yes if it doesn't exist
[10:48] <juano> curs0r_: yeah.. great
[10:48] <juanchito2006> Hello,  have problems with my screen frequency
[10:48] <webmaren> n1gke: x2gen mw15a
[10:48] <The-Fox> I have a screenshot of the problem if anyone dares to try...
[10:48] <n1gke> webmaren: Ok, let me go look @ your xorg.conf, brb.
[10:48] <curs0r_> juano, i think you have to set the hom export writable to yes to make a dir under /home work
[10:48] <juanchito2006> Hello, I have problems with my screen frequency, it seems out of range from startup
[10:48] <steven> kitche: thank you very much.  I seem to be running into all sorts of things like this since Breezy!!  haha
[10:49] <als> juan
[10:49] <juano> curs0r_: k , this folder i made is under /home though
[10:49] <juanchito2006> How can I correct the screen frequency?
[10:49] <juano> juanchito2006:
[10:49] <amonkey> anyone have any info on dualbooting edgy and vista? i have vista already installed and wanted to know if the installer would be able to deal with it
[10:49] <curs0r_> juano, bizarre...
[10:49] <juano> juanchito2006:  hablas espanol?
[10:49] <als> look up the model of your screen. look up the h sync and v sync for it. then edit dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf
[10:49] <n1gke> webmaren: It looks good. What is it not doing ?
[10:49] <als> then put the correct values in
[10:49] <juano> curs0r_: maybe home works good now lol
[10:49] <juanchito2006> juano: S
[10:50] <juano> juanchito2006: decime en que te puedo ayudar?
[10:50] <webmaren> n1gke it's a 1200x800 monitor
[10:50] <alexorange> webmaren: ur vid card is pci express?
[10:50] <webmaren> I'm stuck in 1024x768
[10:50] <kitche> amonkey: you might want to do some googling with that to make sure you set it up correctly
[10:50] <webmaren> alexorange: yes
[10:50] <juanchito2006> juano: El monitor se encuentra fuera de frecuencia desde que inicia Ubuntu
[10:50] <n1gke> webmaren: Which OS ?
[10:50] <juano> juanchito2006: has probado de editar /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[10:50] <webmaren> n1gke... Ubuntu 6.10 Egdy Eft...
[10:51] <n1gke> Ok, brb.
[10:51] <rak> i'm having trouble mounting two ntfs partitions on the same hard drive, is there anything special that i should know?
[10:51] <juano> juanchito2006: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:51] <juanchito2006> juano: Soy nuevo as que necesito saber todo el procedimiento
[10:52] <juano> juanchito2006: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:52] <juanchito2006> juano; En el modo a prueba de fallos?
[10:52] <Zaggynl> How can I give a group rights to an automatically mounted usb device?
[10:52] <alexorange> webmaren: i am not sure if this will work... but i see in ur xorg.conf
[10:52] <kitche> !es|juanchito2006
[10:52] <alexorange> 094. 	BusID		"PCI:6:0:0"
[10:52] <ubotu> juanchito2006: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:52] <alexorange> but in the log file it says:
[10:52] <alexorange> 421. (II) Primary Device is: PCI 06:00:0
[10:52] <n1gke> webmaren: Ok, so, whenit barfs, what is it telling you cuz the xorg.conf looks good.
[10:52] <alexorange> and
[10:52] <alexorange> 426. (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:6:0:1) found
[10:52] <webmaren> n1gke: barfs??
[10:52] <juano> juanchito2006: desde la terminal ejecuta gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorgconf
[10:52] <alexorange> try setting ur BusID to "PCI:6:0:1" in ur xorg
[10:52] <juano> perdon /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:53] <n1gke> webmaren: Yeh, when it fails/barfs, what is the error message as the xorg.conf looks fine.
[10:53] <eegore> I am doing the quake3 point instal and I come up with a crc error, should I trust it or not even though it comes from the id website?
[10:53] <webmaren> n1gke: there is no failure
[10:53] <webmaren> n1gke: I just can't go to 1200x800
[10:53] <juano> juanchito2006: cuales son los sintomas de que esta "fuera de frecuencia"?
[10:53] <webmaren> n1gke and I should be able to
[10:53] <webmaren> and I have to go now
[10:54] <n1gke> ic.... Did you try using default depth 16 ?
[10:54] <n1gke> aw
[10:54] <juanchito2006> juano: No hay imagen el monitor muestra que est fuera de frecuencia
[10:54] <spanky_> Just a little question about USB devices. How do you upgrade the drivers for them? My system reports "Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
[10:54] <spanky_> What is bus_type method?
[10:54] <jimmygoon> Help!! Can you change the passwd of a user w/o user interaction? how?
[10:54] <jimmygoon> thanks
[10:54] <alexorange> uhhh i always thought 'sd' was for scsi
[10:55] <alexorange> :-[
[10:55] <Arrick> how long is Arwen banned for this time?
[10:55] <Music_Shuffle> If I switch out my CPU/Mobo, how's Ubuntu going to react?
[10:55] <kitche> jimmygoon: sudo passwd <user> is the only way that I know of to do it is by using root powers
[10:55] <mc__> Music_Shuffle: it depends on how you switch
[10:55] <juano> juanchito2006: verifica que esto este asi en tu /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:55] <juano> Section "Monitor"
[10:55] <juano> 	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
[10:55] <juano> 	Option		"DPMS"
[10:55] <juano> 	HorizSync	28-64
[10:55] <juano> 	VertRefresh	43-60
[10:55] <juano> EndSection
[10:55] <kitche> !paste|juano
[10:55] <ubotu> juano: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:56] <Seveas> !es | juano
[10:56] <ubotu> juano: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:56] <The-Fox> can anyone look at this screenshot ?
[10:56] <The-Fox> http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/733/ubuntu005iw4.jpg
[10:56] <mc__> Music_Shuffle: switching from 64bit do 32 bit will breae everything
[10:56] <The-Fox> it's a problem during the instllation
[10:56] <juano> sorry! forgot.. forgot
[10:56] <spanky_> sd is for SCSI but USB uses it too. I can get it too see the drive but it's painfully slow transfer speeds
[10:56] <Arrick> Merry Christmas Seveas
[10:56] <Music_Shuffle> mc__, which chips are 32 only?
[10:56] <Music_Shuffle> Hey its Seveas!
[10:57] <kitche> The-Fox: does it work before you install or right when you boot I would say reconfigure xorg with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:57] <Zaggynl> The-Fox, eek
[10:57] <mc__> Music_Shuffle: all CPU's which are not explicit 64bit
[10:57] <VerdRouseau> can anyone help me connect to my Photosmart Printer on the network
[10:57] <The-Fox> anyone looked atthe screen ?
[10:57] <Seveas> Arrick, until he grows up, so probably never
[10:57] <The-Fox> http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/733/ubuntu005iw4.jpg
[10:57] <infidel> !irda
[10:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about irda - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:57] <alexorange> yea, looks awful
[10:57] <Arrick> ahh ok thanks Seveas
[10:57] <juano> juanchito2006: verifica que tu xorg.conf tenga esto : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38808/
[10:57] <Music_Shuffle> Can a Pentium D be run using the A64 kernel? Or am I going to have to use the i686 one?
[10:58] <mc__> Music_Shuffle: dunno to be honest
[10:58] <n1gke> The-Fox: Yeh, looks aweful.
[10:58] <mc__> Music_Shuffle: you should know what you are going to buy
[10:58] <alexorange> Music_schuffle: it will not work using AMD kernel
[10:58] <spanky_> Has anyone here played with USB HDD's?
[10:58] <The-Fox> awfull indeed
[10:58] <kitche> The-Fox: does it work before you install the install program or right when you boot I would say reconfigure xorg with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:58] <The-Fox> any suggestions ?
[10:58] <Music_Shuffle> alexorange, thanks.
[10:58] <alexorange> i think the generic kerneal might work
[10:59] <juanchito2006> S tambin que hay una utilida para configurar el xorg, pero no me acuerdo cul es
[10:59] <The-Fox> it is during the instllation
[10:59] <spanky_> How do you upgrade the drivers from USB1.1 to USB2.0
[10:59] <Seveas> !es juanchito2006
[10:59] <ubotu> es: An extensible shell based on `rc'. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.90beta1-10.1 (edgy), package size 99 kB, installed size 248 kB
[10:59] <alexorange> The-Fox: u might have to do the text-based install and then edit the xorg
[10:59] <Seveas> sigh
[10:59] <juanchito2006> Is there any utility to config xorg with ease
[10:59] <Seveas> which moron, removed es...
[10:59] <Music_Shuffle> Seveas, LOL....
[11:00] <kitche> Seveas: it works for me
[11:00] <kitche> !es|juanchito2006
[11:00] <ubotu> juanchito2006: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:00] <rosa> blub
[11:00] <juano> juanchito2006:  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:00] <Seveas> hmm
[11:00] <swigrid> hi all
[11:00] <Seveas> which moron coded that bot
[11:00] <juano> juanchito2006: do that in the terminal as root dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:00] <Seveas> ow wait, that's me...
[11:01] <juanchito2006> I'll check thanks
[11:01] <The-Fox> I don't get into text mode
[11:01] <swigrid> does any body know why i get error message: apt-get autoremove?
[11:01] <Music_Shuffle> Ok. So...if I'm going to switch to a proc that requires i686 kernel, and I currently have the A64 one, what do I...do?
[11:01] <kitche> The-Fox: text install is on alternative cd
[11:01] <swigrid> E: Invalid operation autoremove
[11:01] <juanchito2006> !terminal
[11:01] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[11:01] <The-Fox> Iam using alternative CD
[11:01] <Seveas> swigrid, are you on ubuntu 6.06 / dapper?
[11:01] <swigrid> yes
[11:01] <The-Fox> the AMD64 desktop
[11:01] <Seveas> swigrid, that's why :)
[11:01] <swigrid> ooo
[11:01] <swigrid> can i fix it?
[11:02] <Seveas> autoremove did not exist before 6.10 / edgy
[11:02] <Music_Shuffle> Seveas, any thoughts? :X
[11:02] <kitche> The-Fox: hmm well the alternative cd doesn't have a graphical install so you can't be using it
[11:02] <The-Fox> hehe
[11:02] <The-Fox> I see
[11:02] <Seveas> Music_Shuffle, lots of'em but none about your problem
[11:02] <Music_Shuffle> Curses!
[11:02] <The-Fox> so how do I upgrade once I install it ?
[11:02] <Seveas> Music_Shuffle, you'll need to reinstall
[11:02] <The-Fox> or it is the same software only sifferent interface ?
[11:03] <The-Fox> different*
[11:03] <Music_Shuffle> Seveas, Ugh, you're not serious, are you?
[11:03] <Seveas> Music_Shuffle, I am
[11:03] <Seveas> 64bit and 32bit are completely different
[11:03] <Music_Shuffle> ./Sigh. Better question then, how do I move my /home folder to another partition? Lol.
[11:04] <swigrid> thanx for info ;) bye
[11:04] <Music_Shuffle> Assuming that will save it >.>
[11:04] <taigeR> trying to share a printer, any suggestions what I should use?
[11:04] <Seveas> Music_Shuffle, make a new partition and cp -r :)
[11:05] <Music_Shuffle> Seveas, err...so I open gparted, make a new partition, and then...do what again? >.>
[11:05] <NoGo> How can I access my files on my desktop from the LiveCD?
[11:05] <Savage-{> beryl: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32 - Anybody know what this might mean when using the beryl-aiglx beryl-manager?
[11:05] <kitche> The-Fox: to upgrade once isntall it's sudo update-manager -c or you can use the alternate cd
[11:05] <fisheye> hi
[11:05] <Seveas> mkfs -t ext3 /dev/newpartition && mount /dev/newpartion /mnt/bla && cp -r /home/* /mnt/bla
[11:06] <Seveas> Music_Shuffle, something like that ;)
[11:06] <Savage-{> I used xserver-xgl before using the aiglx because I wasn't aware that aiglx came with the distro
[11:06] <fisheye> i've have this particular freeze, and cant find info on it anywere
[11:06] <fisheye> i wonder if anyone had this problem
[11:06] <The-Fox> fisheye: which one ?
[11:06] <The-Fox> look at this
[11:07] <fisheye> in boot , it freezes when it gets to checking file systems, fsck1.39
[11:07] <The-Fox> http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/733/ubuntu005iw4.jpg
[11:07] <The-Fox> oahh
[11:07] <fisheye> i've reinstaled it , but still same isue
[11:07] <rosa> can somebody here help me?
[11:07] <kitche> Music_Shuffle: mke2fs -j /dev/newpartition && mount /dev/newpartion /mnt/bla && cp -r /home/* /mnt/bla just so you get the correct syntax
[11:07] <kitche> The-Fox: did you reconfigure xorg yet see if that helps you out?
[11:07] <Music_Shuffle> kk thanks. ^^
[11:07] <n1gke> !ask
[11:07] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:08] <rosa> how can i change the port for a server in xchat?
[11:08] <juano> The-Fox: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:08] <fisheye> i cant get it to boot normaly.... i've to work tomorow
[11:08] <fisheye> as anyone had this problem?
[11:08] <The-Fox> juano: when do I do it ?
[11:08] <Music_Shuffle> In a erminal
[11:08] <Music_Shuffle> terminal*
[11:08] <juano> The-Fox: login as root, init 3, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, init 5
[11:09] <The-Fox> its during instllation
[11:09] <n1gke> rosa: When you start xchat do you get a list of servers ?
[11:09] <The-Fox> I have a few seconds when the boot is loaded
[11:09] <The-Fox> then I get the root login
[11:09] <juano> The-Fox: that image is at logonn?
[11:10] <The-Fox> but then it jumps into the orange screen
[11:10] <The-Fox> the image is on a CD
[11:10] <rosa> yes, but i want to connect to a bnc-server, so i add it as a new server
[11:10] <kitche> The-Fox: you can ctrl+alt+F1 to get to a shell
[11:10] <juano> fisheye: what seems to be the problem?
[11:10] <kiradougan> help
[11:11] <The-Fox> kitche: I pressed alt+f1
[11:11] <The-Fox> to get a shell
[11:11] <The-Fox> but it's not working
[11:11] <juano> The-Fox: ctrl + alt +(F1 to F5) shell terminals
[11:11] <n1gke> rosa: Ok, when the box opens, click on add a server then click on edit to add/change the information.
[11:11] <fisheye> juano: in boot , it freezes when it gets to checking file systems, fsck1.39
[11:11] <Seveas> The-Fox, <ctrl><alt><f1>
[11:11] <The-Fox> I get it
[11:11] <n1gke> rosa: for that server.
[11:11] <fisheye> i've reinstaled but no luck
[11:12] <juano> fisheye: hows your fstab ?
[11:12] <juano> can you get into safe mode? fisheye?
[11:13] <Riyonuk> Concerning the latest ubuntu release, whats Alternative? Is it like the desktop one but without live cd?
[11:13] <PriceChild> !alternate | Riyonuk
[11:13] <ubotu> Riyonuk: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[11:13] <fisheye> ijuano: i get here by ctrl alt del on cheking file systems
[11:13] <rosa> nlgke: i have my new server, but i need to change the port
[11:13] <Riyonuk> alright, so Im downloading the right thing, thanks!
[11:13] <juano> fisheye: check your /etc/fstab for any corrupt lines
[11:14] <fisheye> juano: will do
[11:14] <juano> fisheye: also your /etc/mtab
[11:14] <fisheye> juano: it's strange , i dont find the tool to check my particions in ubuntu, i tought it came with the install
[11:14] <Music_Shuffle> It does usually.
[11:14] <Music_Shuffle> !gparted
[11:14] <n1gke> rosa: Ok. You want to change the port number that your software is connecting to, correct ? I am understanding correctly ?
[11:14] <ubotu> gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[11:14] <rosa> yes
[11:15] <protocol1> Is there a reason why I lost my sound?
[11:15] <juano> fisheye: System -> Administration -> System Monitor / file systems
[11:15] <protocol1> I just reboot and its gone?
[11:15] <Black^Dragon> question,, unable to connect online, and not a nix guru
[11:16] <Music_Shuffle> protocol1, maybe if you reboot -again-...>.>
[11:16] <protocol1> nope
[11:16] <protocol1> did that
[11:16] <n1gke> rosa: Ok, when you open or start xchat, there is a box that opens with a list of servers. Click on the server to edit its information, the name of the server and the port number will show up in another box. There you can set the port number.
[11:16] <fisheye> juano: ive opend the system manager
[11:16] <fisheye> juano: cheking fstab
[11:16] <juano> fisheye: got to file systems tab
[11:16] <protocol1> its not mutes either...I checked that
[11:16] <protocol1> muted*
[11:17] <fisheye> juano: i'm there
[11:17] <juano> thats where you get info on your partitions
[11:17] <protocol1> the cables are plugged in properly....and the sounds do work in windows
[11:17] <fisheye> only got one, my sytem files particion
[11:17] <protocol1> so its not a hardware issue
[11:17] <fisheye> but fstab has them all
[11:18] <juano> fisheye: ok
[11:18] <protocol1> and it has worked before...I know that for a fact
[11:18] <n1gke> wb rosa
[11:18] <juano> fisheye: whats your fstab look like?
[11:18] <fisheye> mmm
[11:18] <protocol1> Im just wondering if an update messed with it or what?
[11:18] <fisheye> i can i show you withoun spaming this place :)
[11:18] <Black^Dragon> Ubuntu box was online the last time i used it,, now it won't go online,, any ideas, anyone??
[11:18] <juano> fisheye: use this to paste http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:18] <juano> fisheye: and send me the url
[11:19] <PriceChild> protocol1, system>preferences>sound Check the correct sound card is selected
[11:19] <n1gke> rosa: Did that help any ?
[11:19] <protocol1> is there a command or a procedure I can do to bring my sound settings back to the way they were after a fresh install or something like that
[11:19] <rhathar> Dear god this is a large channel
[11:19] <fisheye> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38812/
[11:19] <fisheye> :D great site, bookmark
[11:19] <n1gke> Welcome rhathar
[11:19] <rhathar> Heya :)
[11:20] <n1gke> Just be patient is all....
[11:20] <n1gke> It works well.
[11:20] <taTeCL> Does Ubuntu 6.06 (i ordered it) have GCC?
[11:20] <fisheye> juano: what do you think. Its almost chinese to me
[11:20] <protocol1> I am using the OSS mixer
[11:21] <protocol1> should I try ALSA?
[11:21] <protocol1> but the thing is I been using OSS device and that what it worked with
[11:21] <rosa> no, i don't get an box with the portnumber
[11:21] <protocol1> why would it loose sound
[11:22] <juano> fisheye: lol, hold on 1 sec, you got windows on 1st HD, then you got linux on other HD?
[11:22] <taTeCL> thanks for the help
[11:22] <n1gke> rosa: You need to edi the server information when the network box opens at start.
[11:23] <fisheye> yes, i belive so
[11:23] <jps> Anyone here uses linuxmint ?
[11:23] <fisheye> or do I
[11:23] <n1gke> rosa: You have the server name already in the xchat network list, yes ?
[11:23] <Riyonuk> Hi again, how would I install my wireless card into ubuntu? I know it requires something called NDWrapper or something like that, is that already pre-installed with ubuntu?
[11:23] <juano> fisheye: everything seems in order in fstab
[11:23] <noelferreira_> hi people. hi installed firefox 32 bits in my edgy amd64 system. and every time i start web aplications that use sound i lost the sound from my system aplications. (xmms totem and so on ...) any help?
[11:23] <fisheye> juano: i'm doomed
[11:23] <juano> fisheye: mm and whats the syntoms of this error?
[11:23] <fisheye> juano : :)
[11:23] <rosa> i try again, cu
[11:23] <juano> fisheye: can you boot up in normal mode? safe mode?
[11:24] <fisheye> well, all i have is not being able to boot properly
[11:24] <Hellevator> hi all. I just purchased a second WD 320gb hard drive to go along with my current wd 320gb hd.  I want to set up the two drives in a RAID 0 array.  Is there any way to salvage the operating system installs on my current hard drive so I don't have to reinstall everything from scratch?
[11:24] <fisheye> i cant, but when it gets to checking foile systems i have to crtl alt del to kill the process
[11:24] <fisheye> i can i can
[11:24] <rosa> hm
[11:24] <fisheye> but i have to do what i said
[11:24] <Riyonuk> Hi again, how would I install my wireless card into ubuntu? I know it requires something called NDWrapper or something like that, is that already pre-installed with ubuntu?
[11:25] <Gebel> !gpg
[11:25] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[11:25] <juano> fisheye: mm, thats wierd, have you googled this?
[11:25] <fisheye> yes
[11:26] <fisheye> over and over
[11:26] <jps> hellevator>yes there is, like making an image of your hard drive...  but believe me, its better to do a fresh install
[11:26] <rosa> i get this box, but if i click on a server, i don't get another box but connect there
[11:26] <fisheye> the problem is, i even reinstaled ....
[11:26] <fisheye> and still no luck
[11:26] <oidia> Riyonuk: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Windows_Wireless_Drivers_.28Ndiswrapper.29
[11:26] <Hellevator> jps, what are the disadvantages to imaging your hard drive?
[11:26] <Riyonuk> woo-hoo, someones to help :p
[11:26] <fisheye> that fsck 1.39 just sits there.... i let it be for more then 20 minutes last time
[11:27] <protocol1> IM going to try ALSA
[11:27] <Gebel> !sources
[11:27] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[11:27] <protocol1> can two audio devices cause a conflict?
[11:28] <jps> hellevator> the logisics of it are crumbersome.... like where are you going to backup the data etc.... if I were you I would create your raid array and install over.. it would be more reliable...
[11:28] <jps> logistics
[11:28] <Hellevator> jps, i have an external hard drive i can place the images on.
[11:29] <juano> fisheye: well i found 1 wierd thing in your fstab
[11:29] <juano> fisheye: dont see the entry for the swap partition
[11:29] <fisheye> mmm
[11:29] <fisheye> i've one
[11:29] <fisheye> hdb6
[11:29] <Hellevator> jps, I'm also worried about my windows xp cd key getting rejected.  I've already reinstalled windows xp 3 times activating with the same cd key.  Isn't there a limit to how many times you can do that?
[11:29] <fisheye> at least it shold be
[11:30] <Gebel> !keys
[11:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:30] <jps> if you have an ext hd, then copy your files to it... and do a cleanslate with the wds.... its easier and you will like it better... i sugest partition linux using reiserfs, if you use ext3 youll se it much faster
[11:30] <fisheye> how do i had the sawp thingy?
[11:30] <mwe> Hellevator: there is not limit
[11:30] <Gebel> !source
[11:30] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[11:30] <juano> fisheye: nevermind, i think it doesnt go in there anyway
[11:30] <Hellevator> mwe, ok thanks.
[11:31] <jps> as for windows, i believe that you only have problems if you move to another machine
[11:31] <mwe> Hellevator: you can reinstall everyday if you like. they might wonder why you do it but it's your right
[11:31] <juano> fisheye: mm ill try to come with something up
[11:31] <fisheye> juano: thanks
[11:31] <burner> jps: you hear about hans reiser?  dude is alleged to have murdered his wife!
[11:31] <fisheye> i'll try and get gparted ...
[11:31] <Hellevator> mwe, how do they know I'm not doing it on different computers?
[11:31] <fisheye> cant sem to find it , need to put some more repositories i think
[11:31] <mwe> Hellevator: the hw id
[11:31] <jps> burner> i guess it means even supposed murders can make good filesystems
[11:31] <nolimitsoya> could anyone point me to a multinetwork p2p client that integrates well with ubuntu? (and is relativley easy to set up and use)
[11:32] <rambo3> ftp
[11:32] <burner> jps: but the support in the future is questionable, and ext3 is so much more versatile in terms of resizing/moving/reading from windows
[11:32] <Gebel> !apt-key
[11:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-key - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:32] <Riyonuk> Can anyone recomend a iso burner in windows? Maybe a free one?
[11:32] <Hellevator> mwe, but the hw id will be changing won't it? since I'm installing it on a raid setup instead of the single sata drive...
[11:32] <burner> Riyonuk: imgburn
[11:32] <Hellevator> nolimitsoya, bittorrent?
[11:32] <Hellevator> nolimitsoya, frostwire
[11:32] <nolimitsoya> Riyonuk, infrarecorder
[11:32] <mwe> Hellevator: I think they have a seperate id for the MOBO and stuff
[11:33] <jps> burner> reiser3 is rock solid.... writing in an ext3 with windows using fsdrivers... i dont like very much
[11:33] <nolimitsoya> Hellevator, bittorrent isnt what im looking for, but ill check out frostwire :)
[11:33] <juano> fisheye: check this out http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/10/12/tuning-the-filesystem-check-at-bootup/
[11:33] <burner> my girlfriends uses windows about 99% of the time and uses nad ext3 filesystem with fs-driver.org reliably :P
[11:33] <nolimitsoya> jps, i wouldnt call any filesystem with as much broken behaviour as reiser3 'rock solid' :)
[11:33] <mwe> Hellevator: anyway as long as you don't install it on different computers you're allowed to reinstall as often as you like
[11:33] <Riyonuk> ok thanks
[11:34] <Riyonuk> Now I found my card on ndiswrappers list of supported cards, now what?
[11:34] <Hellevator> mse, awesome thanks.
[11:34] <infidel> anyone here use irda?
[11:34] <n1gke> n2diy: Are you using an SSID with the APRS ? I can't see you on my map yet.
[11:34] <jps> nolimit> I didn`t experience any problems... even in datacenters... reiserfs3 is  much older than say ext3(even though ext3 is built on top of ext2)
[11:34] <fisheye> juano: this is great
[11:35] <fisheye> juano: but still, it delays the problem... this checking filesytems shouldnt take so long
[11:35] <nolimitsoya> jps, then you need to do some googling :) reiser3 is broken by design
[11:35] <fisheye> juano: and why the heek dont i have the manager of particions already instaleed ??
[11:36] <juano> fisheye: the problem is that it checks every partition
[11:36] <juano> fisheye: thats why it delays
[11:36] <jps> anyone here uses amarok? is there a way to download songs from the magnatune store? (instead of streaming)
[11:37] <fisheye> juano: stiil, whyle it checks it should give me an indication of what its doings and the harddrive light just blink... and nothing
[11:37] <juano> fisheye:  go into synaptic and search gparted, install that
[11:37] <fisheye> should blink
[11:37] <juano> fisheye: also , go to repositories and put on multi-verse and universe
[11:37] <fisheye> juano : i'm tryng :)
[11:38] <fisheye> but i got 82 updates on the line ...
[11:38] <Riyonuk> How does one install linux drivers? Is it just a double click thing?
[11:38] <fisheye> but i'll thry that nxt
[11:38] <Music_Shuffle> Usually, or a guide.
[11:38] <fisheye> i went to the ad programs and it didint find gparted
[11:38] <fisheye> well check other repositories
[11:38] <fisheye> juano: thank you so much for this
[11:38] <juano> fisheye: check multi-verse and universe and every repository
[11:39] <juano> fisheye: no prob
[11:39] <nolimitsoya> fisheye, just type 'sudo apt-get install gparted' in a terminal. its in main
[11:39] <archangelpetro> how do i play DVDs on ubuntu amd64?/
[11:39] <nolimitsoya> !dvd | archangelpetro
[11:39] <ubotu> archangelpetro: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:40] <spanky_> Hi there. Anyone know how to upgrade USB drivers from 1.1 to 2.0?
[11:40] <fisheye> nolimitsoya: i tried that, didnt get it
[11:40] <nolimitsoya> archangelpetro, it may not work at all... loads of things are broken in amd64...
[11:40] <juano> fisheye: tried synaptic?
[11:40] <nolimitsoya> fisheye, then you have aproblem, for sure :)
[11:40] <archangelpetro> :/
[11:40] <nolimitsoya> fisheye, how does your sources.list look?
[11:40] <fisheye> yes i do....
[11:40] <fisheye> looks good, kinda fat because of xmas sweets
[11:41] <fisheye> :)
[11:41] <Zaggynl> Anyone has a working mpd 12.1 for dapper? with all formats supported?
[11:41] <fisheye> have no ideia what it looks like
[11:41] <fisheye> were is the darn thing?
[11:41] <juano> fisheye:  lolll... haha, did you click reload in synaptic?
[11:41] <nolimitsoya> fisheye, /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:42] <fisheye> still cant touch it, it upgrading a buch of things
[11:42] <rosa> hm
[11:43] <fisheye> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38817/
[11:43] <fisheye> looks like this nolimitsoya
[11:43] <spanky_> Hi there. Anyone know how to upgrade USB drivers from 1.1 to 2.0?
[11:43] <nolimitsoya> fisheye, then 'sudo apt-get install gparted' should definatly work
[11:44] <nolimitsoya> *e
[11:44] <fisheye> i'll do it as soon as updates are complete
[11:44] <cafuego_> spanky_: uh, that makes no sense
[11:44] <nolimitsoya> fisheye, cut and paste this as soon as all the updating is through 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gparted'
[11:44] <fisheye> it would be faster if i wasnt dowloading so much pron
[11:44] <fisheye> will do
[11:44] <fisheye> thank soya
[11:45] <spanky_> cafuego: I have a new USB HDD and the device Manager tells me it's running USB 1.1 instead of 2.0 at 12Mbps....PAINFULLY slow
[11:45] <nolimitsoya> fisheye, you realy should uncomment the security repo :)
[11:45] <cafuego_> spanky_: ubuntu comes with both usb 2 and 1.1 drivers. depending on what controller is detected and how you've got the bios set up, it may load one or the other.
[11:46] <rosa> i still don't get the port number changed ;-)
[11:46] <Ryugi> hello
[11:46] <Ryugi> merry christmas everyone
[11:47] <Ryugi> can the sound blaster xfi sound card work in ubuntu?
[11:49] <LinTux> how do I install the standard KDE desktop in terminal
[11:49] <theflyingfool> how do i check if my nick got registered
[11:50] <fisheye> nolimitsoya : uncomet security, bah, who need security!
[11:50] <eegore> ok I got quake 3 arena working
[11:50] <eegore> on edgy 64
[11:52] <LinTux> how do I install the standard KDE desktop in terminal
[11:52] <Music_Shuffle> sudo apt-get kdm?
[11:53] <LinTux> how do I install the standard KDE desktop in terminal, without installing the Kubuntu desktop
[11:53] <theflyingfool> is there a way for me to check if my nick registration worked?
[11:54] <fisheye> nick registration? in irc?
[11:54] <iustin85> where is the default webspace for apache server in ubuntu 6.10 LAMP ?
[11:54] <theflyingfool> yeah in irc
[11:54] <LorenXo> @lintux, have you tried "sudo apt-get install kde" ?
[11:55] <iustin85> hello .... plz help me, you could tell me where do i have to upload my files so my apache to serve them ?
[11:55] <dreamfire> iustin85: /var/www (just guessing)
[11:55] <tonyyarusso> !kde | LinTux
[11:55] <ubotu> LinTux: KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[11:55] <tonyyarusso> istenber: /var/www/
[11:55] <iustin85> ty, dreamer i`ll try!
[11:56] <zzzerotime> hi
[11:56] <protocol1> I really need to find out why my sound stopped
[11:56] <tonyyarusso> blah, mine was at iustin85 as well
[11:56] <zzzerotime> how can I edit gnome menu?
[11:56] <zzzerotime> is there an app to do it?
[11:56] <zzzerotime> there are 2 icons I want to remove
[11:56] <protocol1> working*
[11:56] <LinTux> Thanks everyone, Merry Christmas to All !!!!!
[11:56] <tonyyarusso> zzzerotime: System > Preferences > Menu Layout
[11:56] <compengi> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=iPodnano
[11:56] <compengi> ups
[11:56] <compengi> sorry
[11:56] <compengi> wrong window
[11:56] <protocol1> LinTux, Merry X-mas
[11:56] <compengi> can i specify through postfix the sender's name (sender's email address)?
[11:57] <LorenXo> Merry Xmas to all
[11:57] <haxality> hello, I want to assign hotkeys to launch some of my common programs.
[11:57] <haxality> how would I do this in gnome?
[11:57] <Zaggynl> I'm using the latest mpd, and it won't read my files :(
[11:57] <zzzerotime> perfect thanx
[11:57] <Zaggynl> no errors, no logs
[11:57] <tonyyarusso> compengi: If you mean on a one-time basis, no idea.  If you mean in general, I'd poke through the config file and hope for the best.  (I know, not a great answer, but I don't know)
[11:57] <Riyonuk> I see that ndiswrapper supports my wireless card, how do I get it to work?
[11:57] <fisheye> theflyingfool: just disconect and conect again, if it asks you for the password, you have done it
[11:58] <LinTux> what is the best way to optimize my hard drive?
[11:58] <TSCHAK> hello everyone. I am having difficulty all of a sudden with NetworkManager...the applet fails to connect to a  network almost immediately after selecting it... the swirl stops for a moment, then it flips back to no connection
[11:58] <TSCHAK> although I can select the network manually with iwconfig and dhclient, what gives?
[11:58] <TSCHAK> it keeps telling me it can't connect to the wpa_supplicant.
[11:59] <TSCHAK> I didn't mess with any of the configuration, it's just... one day, it was working...now it's broke.
[11:59] <Nippoo> join #wikicast
[11:59] <Nippoo> agh
[11:59] <Nippoo> sorry, forgot the slash =)
[12:00] <protocol1> would anyone know why I would loose my sound?
[12:00] <protocol1> everything is connected properly.....nothings muted
[12:00] <PriceChild> protocol1, did you follow my suggestion earlier?
[12:00] <protocol1> as I check it in windows
[12:00] <fisheye> maybe you didint, maybe you jsut lost your ears
[12:00] <fisheye> :)