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sredna | Merry christmas | 11:52 |
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Riddell | Merry Boxing Day sredna | 11:57 |
sredna | Riddell: How usable is feisty? | 11:58 |
sredna | I'm becoming unhappy with the lack of software updates in the debian system :( | 11:59 |
abattoir | hi Riddell :) | 12:00 |
Hobbsee | hey sredna, Riddell, and abattoir | 12:01 |
abattoir | hello Hobbsee :) | 12:01 |
Riddell | sredna: working well for me | 12:01 |
Hobbsee | sredna: assuming it boots, it's fine | 12:01 |
sredna | Hello | 12:01 |
sredna | Well so I can do a distupgrade, and fix the problems that creates, and be a bit happier for some weeks... | 12:02 |
Hobbsee | sredna: should do. | 12:05 |
Riddell | /should/ being the important word | 12:05 |
Riddell | development ubuntu versions are much more unstable than debian unstable ever is | 12:05 |
Hobbsee | yes | 12:05 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: when are you on holidays till? | 12:05 |
sredna | But the basic problem remains. Once one have installed the system, nothing in it will never be updated except one does a distupgrade which is potentially stupid | 12:06 |
Lure | sredna: you have -updates and -backports for edgy | 12:07 |
Lure | sredna: but running feisty is more fun ;-) | 12:08 |
sredna | Lure: Where? How do I get those? | 12:08 |
Lure | sredna: I have dual boot with shared /home - that way I can get back to stable if feisty does not work | 12:08 |
Lure | sredna: check /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment updates and backports lines | 12:09 |
Hobbsee | Lure: updates doesnt get updated terribly often - particularly with teh whole SRU thing | 12:09 |
sredna | Oh, thenk you, let me check that :) | 12:09 |
Hobbsee | sredna: feisty's probably better | 12:09 |
Lure | Hobbsee: true that, but -backports are quite active if jdong is around ;-) | 12:10 |
Hobbsee | Lure: as long as they're not on crack. *cough* prevu *cough* whatever the flash thing was *cough* | 12:10 |
sredna | Hobbsee: That is good, but there will be times when distupgrade is not 'probably better'. | 12:11 |
Hobbsee | sredna: yes, of course. you want to wait until the majority of the syncing is done | 12:11 |
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sredna | Threre are some mechanisms in the debian universe that makes it hard to use. Another odd thing is that I often need to add a new repository and remove an old one to get an upgrade, koffice is an example. | 12:13 |
Hobbsee | true | 12:16 |
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serzholino | BTW, why new KDE related packages like amarok, koffice don't go to -backports? | 12:58 |
Hobbsee | serzholino: they tend to get put on kubuntu.org as a separate repo. | 12:59 |
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serzholino | Why? Aren't they backports? | 01:01 |
serzholino | at least package version has ~edgy in the end | 01:02 |
Riddell | it's nice to have the packages on the same day or close to the release | 01:02 |
Riddell | and backports doesn't work if e.g. the development version is frozen | 01:02 |
Hobbsee | and Riddell has control over them | 01:03 |
Hobbsee | mind you, imbrandon is part of the backports team | 01:03 |
serzholino | for development version in main, for current stable in backports | 01:03 |
serzholino | and yes, it's nice to have the packages on the same day or close to the release :) thanks for that | 01:05 |
Riddell | mhb: where is your oxygen stuff? | 01:06 |
serzholino | Will beryl be adopted for kubuntu also? | 01:08 |
Riddell | no | 01:09 |
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Hobbsee | beryl sucks a lot on kubuntu, anyway | 01:09 |
=== Hobbsee saw it recently | ||
serzholino | i'm running it right now | 01:09 |
Hobbsee | so you've seen the adept-updater bug | 01:10 |
serzholino | yes :) | 01:10 |
serzholino | and aquamarine crashes constantly | 01:10 |
Hobbsee | urgh | 01:12 |
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apokryphos | I know it hasn't been decided yet, but I doubt it will be beryl that's included | 01:12 |
serzholino | ok, who are another candidates? | 01:13 |
Hobbsee | compiz | 01:13 |
apokryphos | more unstable, no distributions package it, and still not even in feisty yet, right? Compiz has been there for some time. | 01:13 |
Hobbsee | apokryphos: yes, but that's ubuntu - not necessarily kubuntu | 01:13 |
Hobbsee | apokryphos: i think it failed to build. imbrandon has packages | 01:14 |
Riddell | kwin | 01:14 |
apokryphos | definitely not compiz? Hm, how come? | 01:14 |
serzholino | Riddell: with kompmgr? | 01:15 |
apokryphos | no good qt/kde tools for compiz still | 01:15 |
Hobbsee | true that | 01:15 |
Hobbsee | apokryphos: which did your qns refer to? | 01:15 |
apokryphos | no good gtk/gnome tools for compiz still, too, anyhow :P. I guess Novell's CC module suffices for the average user though | 01:16 |
apokryphos | Hobbsee: to Riddell's, but an open question | 01:16 |
Hobbsee | apokryphos: ah right | 01:16 |
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apokryphos | yeah, it's really not stable enough. Compiz is a lot more stable than it, in fact. | 01:17 |
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apokryphos | compiz can get unstable, but if you get a stable version then it's really stable, but just lacks the extra features of beryl | 01:19 |
apokryphos | even though, in fact, practically all beryl plugins have been ported over to compiz, but they're not included by default (yet?) | 01:19 |
Hobbsee | does it have the cube? | 01:19 |
apokryphos | of course =). That was compiz's first feature, and prized. Remember, beryl forked compiz :P | 01:20 |
apokryphos | *first prized. Probably along with translucency, I guess. | 01:20 |
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Hobbsee | maybe it's snow | 01:21 |
apokryphos | that's part of animation, not in compiz | 01:21 |
Hobbsee | i'm told my card cant do it. well, old intel 825/855gm couldnt. | 01:21 |
apokryphos | there's a snow plugin now too, but that's nto even included in beryl just yet, I believe. Soon though. | 01:21 |
Hobbsee | ah | 01:21 |
apokryphos | ok, off out to work. See you 8) | 01:22 |
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Riddell | hi pinheiro | 01:25 |
pinheiro | hi Riddell | 01:25 |
pinheiro | how was xmas | 01:25 |
Riddell | I have a whole new wardrobe | 01:28 |
pinheiro | :P | 01:28 |
Hobbsee | nice! | 01:29 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: good lot of presents, then? | 01:29 |
pinheiro | clowths are not presents | 01:31 |
pinheiro | :) | 01:31 |
Hobbsee | pinheiro: sure they are! | 01:31 |
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Riddell | pinheiro: what did you get? | 01:36 |
pinheiro | clowths | 01:36 |
pinheiro | :P | 01:36 |
pinheiro | clothes | 01:38 |
Riddell | socks? | 01:39 |
pinheiro | some | 01:39 |
pinheiro | and a shine in the dark pijama | 01:39 |
pinheiro | :P | 01:39 |
pinheiro | its funny | 01:39 |
Riddell | "I bet you havn't seen one of these before" | 01:39 |
pinheiro | hehhehe | 01:40 |
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pinheiro | one more email to the kde-artists list | 01:43 |
Hobbsee_ | this compiz is buggy..... | 01:43 |
pinheiro | atack from the tango | 01:44 |
pinheiro | its from novel it has to be :P | 01:44 |
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Hobbsee | hehe | 01:44 |
Hobbsee | my konversation window has just vanished, kicker has gone weird, when i killed and restarted it, it's blank. it doesnt appear to respect workspaces with alt+tab, and i cant make the cube work. | 01:45 |
Hobbsee | and if i dont have kicker running, then it regards each icon in the kicker as a separate process that i can alt-tab to! | 01:46 |
pinheiro | hehhehehehe | 01:46 |
Hobbsee | the alt tab is nice though - that's the only good bit i've seen so far | 01:48 |
Hobbsee | and the translucency effects for the inactive windows. | 01:48 |
Hobbsee | and for some reason, i have 16 desktops now, after killing compiz, and my keyboard doesnt appear to work in kde anymore! | 01:49 |
Hobbsee | let's put this as the default! | 01:50 |
Hobbsee | and it doesnt have the top of each application back either. | 01:50 |
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Hobbsee | a small quirk of the kde translucency - kicker is always translucent | 01:57 |
Hobbsee | looks kinda nice, really :) | 01:57 |
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bddebian | Heya | 05:38 |
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lotusleaf | Kubuntu | 08:34 |
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Lure | nixternal: ot should we call it Scottish Breakfast Network? | 11:04 |
Lure | ;-) | 11:04 |
nixternal | hehe | 11:04 |
nixternal | it is a pretty neat tool that kde came up with that goes through and sanitizes all sorts of code | 11:05 |
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nixternal | jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way...oh what fun it is to hack, on my kubuntu laptop today! | 11:52 |
fdoving | hacking anything fun? | 11:53 |
fdoving | kwlan works, but It doesn't look good. | 11:53 |
nixternal | hehe | 11:53 |
nixternal | im flat out bored | 11:54 |
fdoving | do you use imap for mail? | 11:54 |
fdoving | if you do, i can suggest giving mailody a try. it's nice. :) | 11:55 |
fdoving | if not, well.. learn how to use unison. | 11:56 |
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bddebian | nixternal: So get bug fixin ;-) | 12:00 |
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