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srednaMerry christmas11:52
RiddellMerry Boxing Day sredna11:57
srednaRiddell: How usable is feisty?11:58
srednaI'm becoming unhappy with the lack of software updates in the debian system :(11:59
abattoirhi Riddell :)12:00
Hobbseehey sredna, Riddell, and abattoir12:01
abattoirhello Hobbsee :)12:01
Riddellsredna: working well for me12:01
Hobbseesredna: assuming it boots, it's fine12:01
srednaHello12:01
srednaWell so I can do a distupgrade, and fix the problems that creates, and be a bit happier for some weeks...12:02
Hobbseesredna: should do.12:05
Riddell/should/ being the important word12:05
Riddelldevelopment ubuntu versions are much more unstable than debian unstable ever is12:05
Hobbseeyes12:05
HobbseeRiddell: when are you on holidays till?12:05
srednaBut the basic problem remains. Once one have installed the system, nothing in it will never be updated except one does a distupgrade which is potentially stupid12:06
Luresredna: you have -updates and -backports for edgy12:07
Luresredna: but running feisty is more fun ;-)12:08
srednaLure: Where? How do I get those?12:08
Luresredna: I have dual boot with shared /home - that way I can get back to stable if feisty does not work12:08
Luresredna: check /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment updates and backports lines12:09
HobbseeLure: updates doesnt get updated terribly often - particularly with teh whole SRU thing12:09
srednaOh, thenk you, let me check that :)12:09
Hobbseesredna: feisty's probably better12:09
LureHobbsee: true that, but -backports are quite active if jdong is around ;-)12:10
HobbseeLure: as long as they're not on crack.  *cough* prevu *cough* whatever the flash thing was *cough*12:10
srednaHobbsee: That is good, but there will be times when distupgrade is not 'probably better'.12:11
Hobbseesredna: yes, of course.  you want to wait until the majority of the syncing is done12:11
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srednaThrere are some mechanisms in the debian universe that makes it hard to use. Another odd thing is that I often need to add a new repository and remove an old one to get an upgrade, koffice is an example.12:13
Hobbseetrue12:16
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serzholinoBTW, why new KDE related packages like amarok, koffice don't go to -backports?12:58
Hobbseeserzholino: they tend to get put on kubuntu.org as a separate repo.12:59
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serzholinoWhy? Aren't they backports?01:01
serzholinoat least package version has ~edgy in the end01:02
Riddellit's nice to have the packages on the same day or close to the release01:02
Riddelland backports doesn't work if e.g. the development version is frozen01:02
Hobbseeand Riddell has control over them01:03
Hobbseemind you, imbrandon is part of the backports team01:03
serzholinofor development version in main, for current stable in backports01:03
serzholinoand yes, it's nice to have the packages on the same day or close to the release :) thanks for that01:05
Riddellmhb: where is your oxygen stuff?01:06
serzholinoWill beryl be adopted for kubuntu also?01:08
Riddellno01:09
=== Hobbsee cheers!
Hobbseeberyl sucks a lot on kubuntu, anyway01:09
=== Hobbsee saw it recently
serzholinoi'm running it right now01:09
Hobbseeso you've seen the adept-updater bug01:10
serzholinoyes :)01:10
serzholinoand aquamarine crashes constantly01:10
Hobbseeurgh01:12
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apokryphosI know it hasn't been decided yet, but I doubt it will be beryl that's included01:12
serzholinook, who are another candidates?01:13
Hobbseecompiz01:13
apokryphosmore unstable, no distributions package it, and still not even in feisty yet, right? Compiz has been there for some time.01:13
Hobbseeapokryphos: yes, but that's ubuntu - not necessarily kubuntu01:13
Hobbseeapokryphos: i think it failed to build.  imbrandon has packages01:14
Riddellkwin01:14
apokryphosdefinitely not compiz? Hm, how come?01:14
serzholinoRiddell: with kompmgr?01:15
apokryphosno good qt/kde tools for compiz still01:15
Hobbseetrue that01:15
Hobbseeapokryphos: which did your qns refer to?01:15
apokryphosno good gtk/gnome tools for compiz still, too, anyhow :P. I guess Novell's CC module suffices for the average user though01:16
apokryphosHobbsee: to Riddell's, but an open question01:16
Hobbseeapokryphos: ah right01:16
=== Hobbsee found that the transparency, etc stuff built into kde is nice, but tends to crash
apokryphosyeah, it's really not stable enough. Compiz is a lot more stable than it, in fact.01:17
=== Hobbsee wonders about trying compiz
apokryphoscompiz can get unstable, but if you get a stable version then it's really stable, but just lacks the extra features of beryl01:19
apokryphoseven though, in fact, practically all beryl plugins have been ported over to compiz, but they're not included by default (yet?)01:19
Hobbseedoes it have the cube?01:19
apokryphosof course =). That was compiz's first feature, and prized. Remember, beryl forked compiz :P01:20
apokryphos*first prized. Probably along with translucency, I guess.01:20
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Hobbseemaybe it's snow01:21
apokryphosthat's part of animation, not in compiz01:21
Hobbseei'm told my card cant do it.  well, old intel 825/855gm couldnt.01:21
apokryphosthere's  a snow plugin now too, but that's nto even included in beryl just yet, I believe. Soon though.01:21
Hobbseeah01:21
apokryphosok, off out to work. See you 8)01:22
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Riddellhi pinheiro01:25
pinheirohi Riddell01:25
pinheirohow was xmas01:25
RiddellI have a whole new wardrobe01:28
pinheiro:P01:28
Hobbseenice!01:29
HobbseeRiddell: good lot of presents, then?01:29
pinheiroclowths are not presents01:31
pinheiro:)01:31
Hobbseepinheiro: sure they are!01:31
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Riddellpinheiro: what did you get?01:36
pinheiroclowths01:36
pinheiro:P01:36
pinheiroclothes01:38
Riddellsocks?01:39
pinheirosome01:39
pinheiroand a shine in the dark pijama01:39
pinheiro:P01:39
pinheiroits funny01:39
Riddell"I bet you havn't seen one of these before"01:39
pinheirohehhehe01:40
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pinheiroone more email to the kde-artists list01:43
Hobbsee_this compiz is buggy.....01:43
pinheiroatack from the tango01:44
pinheiroits from novel it has to be :P01:44
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Hobbseehehe01:44
Hobbseemy konversation window has just vanished, kicker has gone weird, when i killed and restarted it, it's blank.  it doesnt appear to respect workspaces with alt+tab, and i cant make the cube work.01:45
Hobbseeand if i dont have kicker running, then it regards each icon in the kicker as a separate process that i can alt-tab to!01:46
pinheirohehhehehehe01:46
Hobbseethe alt tab is nice though - that's the only good bit i've seen so far01:48
Hobbseeand the translucency effects for the inactive windows.01:48
Hobbseeand for some reason, i have 16 desktops now, after killing compiz, and my keyboard doesnt appear to work in kde anymore!01:49
Hobbseelet's put this as the default!01:50
Hobbseeand it doesnt have the top of each application back either.01:50
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Hobbseea small quirk of the kde translucency - kicker is always translucent01:57
Hobbseelooks kinda nice, really :)01:57
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bddebianHeya05:38
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lotusleaf Kubuntu08:34
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=== nixternal thinks we can use an 'English Breakfast Network'
Lurenixternal: ot should we call it Scottish Breakfast Network?11:04
Lure;-)11:04
nixternalhehe11:04
nixternalit is a pretty neat tool that kde came up with that goes through and sanitizes all sorts of code11:05
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nixternaljingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way...oh what fun it is to hack, on my kubuntu laptop today!11:52
fdovinghacking anything fun?11:53
fdovingkwlan works, but It doesn't look good.11:53
nixternalhehe11:53
nixternalim flat out bored11:54
fdovingdo you use imap for mail?11:54
fdovingif you do, i can suggest giving mailody a try. it's nice. :)11:55
fdovingif not, well.. learn how to use unison.11:56
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bddebiannixternal: So get bug fixin ;-)12:00
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