[11:52] <sredna> Merry christmas
[11:57] <Riddell> Merry Boxing Day sredna
[11:58] <sredna> Riddell: How usable is feisty?
[11:59] <sredna> I'm becoming unhappy with the lack of software updates in the debian system :(
[12:00] <abattoir> hi Riddell :)
[12:01] <Hobbsee> hey sredna, Riddell, and abattoir
[12:01] <abattoir> hello Hobbsee :)
[12:01] <Riddell> sredna: working well for me
[12:01] <Hobbsee> sredna: assuming it boots, it's fine
[12:01] <sredna> Hello
[12:02] <sredna> Well so I can do a distupgrade, and fix the problems that creates, and be a bit happier for some weeks...
[12:05] <Hobbsee> sredna: should do.
[12:05] <Riddell> /should/ being the important word
[12:05] <Riddell> development ubuntu versions are much more unstable than debian unstable ever is
[12:05] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when are you on holidays till?
[12:06] <sredna> But the basic problem remains. Once one have installed the system, nothing in it will never be updated except one does a distupgrade which is potentially stupid
[12:07] <Lure> sredna: you have -updates and -backports for edgy
[12:08] <Lure> sredna: but running feisty is more fun ;-)
[12:08] <sredna> Lure: Where? How do I get those?
[12:08] <Lure> sredna: I have dual boot with shared /home - that way I can get back to stable if feisty does not work
[12:09] <Lure> sredna: check /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment updates and backports lines
[12:09] <Hobbsee> Lure: updates doesnt get updated terribly often - particularly with teh whole SRU thing
[12:09] <sredna> Oh, thenk you, let me check that :)
[12:09] <Hobbsee> sredna: feisty's probably better
[12:10] <Lure> Hobbsee: true that, but -backports are quite active if jdong is around ;-)
[12:10] <Hobbsee> Lure: as long as they're not on crack.  *cough* prevu *cough* whatever the flash thing was *cough*
[12:11] <sredna> Hobbsee: That is good, but there will be times when distupgrade is not 'probably better'.
[12:11] <Hobbsee> sredna: yes, of course.  you want to wait until the majority of the syncing is done
[12:13] <sredna> Threre are some mechanisms in the debian universe that makes it hard to use. Another odd thing is that I often need to add a new repository and remove an old one to get an upgrade, koffice is an example.
[12:16] <Hobbsee> true
[12:58] <serzholino> BTW, why new KDE related packages like amarok, koffice don't go to -backports?
[12:59] <Hobbsee> serzholino: they tend to get put on kubuntu.org as a separate repo.
[01:01] <serzholino> Why? Aren't they backports?
[01:02] <serzholino> at least package version has ~edgy in the end
[01:02] <Riddell> it's nice to have the packages on the same day or close to the release
[01:02] <Riddell> and backports doesn't work if e.g. the development version is frozen
[01:03] <Hobbsee> and Riddell has control over them
[01:03] <Hobbsee> mind you, imbrandon is part of the backports team
[01:03] <serzholino> for development version in main, for current stable in backports
[01:05] <serzholino> and yes, it's nice to have the packages on the same day or close to the release :) thanks for that
[01:06] <Riddell> mhb: where is your oxygen stuff?
[01:08] <serzholino> Will beryl be adopted for kubuntu also?
[01:09] <Riddell> no
[01:09] <Hobbsee> beryl sucks a lot on kubuntu, anyway
[01:09] <serzholino> i'm running it right now
[01:10] <Hobbsee> so you've seen the adept-updater bug
[01:10] <serzholino> yes :)
[01:10] <serzholino> and aquamarine crashes constantly
[01:12] <Hobbsee> urgh
[01:12] <apokryphos> I know it hasn't been decided yet, but I doubt it will be beryl that's included
[01:13] <serzholino> ok, who are another candidates?
[01:13] <Hobbsee> compiz
[01:13] <apokryphos> more unstable, no distributions package it, and still not even in feisty yet, right? Compiz has been there for some time.
[01:13] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: yes, but that's ubuntu - not necessarily kubuntu
[01:14] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: i think it failed to build.  imbrandon has packages
[01:14] <Riddell> kwin
[01:14] <apokryphos> definitely not compiz? Hm, how come?
[01:15] <serzholino> Riddell: with kompmgr?
[01:15] <apokryphos> no good qt/kde tools for compiz still
[01:15] <Hobbsee> true that
[01:15] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: which did your qns refer to?
[01:16] <apokryphos> no good gtk/gnome tools for compiz still, too, anyhow :P. I guess Novell's CC module suffices for the average user though
[01:16] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: to Riddell's, but an open question
[01:16] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: ah right
[01:17] <apokryphos> yeah, it's really not stable enough. Compiz is a lot more stable than it, in fact.
[01:19] <apokryphos> compiz can get unstable, but if you get a stable version then it's really stable, but just lacks the extra features of beryl
[01:19] <apokryphos> even though, in fact, practically all beryl plugins have been ported over to compiz, but they're not included by default (yet?)
[01:19] <Hobbsee> does it have the cube?
[01:20] <apokryphos> of course =). That was compiz's first feature, and prized. Remember, beryl forked compiz :P
[01:20] <apokryphos> *first prized. Probably along with translucency, I guess.
[01:21] <Hobbsee> maybe it's snow
[01:21] <apokryphos> that's part of animation, not in compiz
[01:21] <Hobbsee> i'm told my card cant do it.  well, old intel 825/855gm couldnt.
[01:21] <apokryphos> there's  a snow plugin now too, but that's nto even included in beryl just yet, I believe. Soon though.
[01:21] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:22] <apokryphos> ok, off out to work. See you 8)
[01:25] <Riddell> hi pinheiro
[01:25] <pinheiro> hi Riddell
[01:25] <pinheiro> how was xmas
[01:28] <Riddell> I have a whole new wardrobe
[01:28] <pinheiro> :P
[01:29] <Hobbsee> nice!
[01:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: good lot of presents, then?
[01:31] <pinheiro> clowths are not presents
[01:31] <pinheiro> :)
[01:31] <Hobbsee> pinheiro: sure they are!
[01:36] <Riddell> pinheiro: what did you get?
[01:36] <pinheiro> clowths
[01:36] <pinheiro> :P
[01:38] <pinheiro> clothes
[01:39] <Riddell> socks?
[01:39] <pinheiro> some
[01:39] <pinheiro> and a shine in the dark pijama
[01:39] <pinheiro> :P
[01:39] <pinheiro> its funny
[01:39] <Riddell> "I bet you havn't seen one of these before"
[01:40] <pinheiro> hehhehe
[01:43] <pinheiro> one more email to the kde-artists list
[01:43] <Hobbsee_> this compiz is buggy.....
[01:44] <pinheiro> atack from the tango
[01:44] <pinheiro> its from novel it has to be :P
[01:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:45] <Hobbsee> my konversation window has just vanished, kicker has gone weird, when i killed and restarted it, it's blank.  it doesnt appear to respect workspaces with alt+tab, and i cant make the cube work.
[01:46] <Hobbsee> and if i dont have kicker running, then it regards each icon in the kicker as a separate process that i can alt-tab to!
[01:46] <pinheiro> hehhehehehe
[01:48] <Hobbsee> the alt tab is nice though - that's the only good bit i've seen so far
[01:48] <Hobbsee> and the translucency effects for the inactive windows.
[01:49] <Hobbsee> and for some reason, i have 16 desktops now, after killing compiz, and my keyboard doesnt appear to work in kde anymore!
[01:50] <Hobbsee> let's put this as the default!
[01:50] <Hobbsee> and it doesnt have the top of each application back either.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> a small quirk of the kde translucency - kicker is always translucent
[01:57] <Hobbsee> looks kinda nice, really :)
[05:38] <bddebian> Heya
[08:34] <lotusleaf>  Kubuntu
[11:04] <Lure> nixternal: ot should we call it Scottish Breakfast Network?
[11:04] <Lure> ;-)
[11:04] <nixternal> hehe
[11:05] <nixternal> it is a pretty neat tool that kde came up with that goes through and sanitizes all sorts of code
[11:52] <nixternal> jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way...oh what fun it is to hack, on my kubuntu laptop today!
[11:53] <fdoving> hacking anything fun?
[11:53] <fdoving> kwlan works, but It doesn't look good.
[11:53] <nixternal> hehe
[11:54] <nixternal> im flat out bored
[11:54] <fdoving> do you use imap for mail?
[11:55] <fdoving> if you do, i can suggest giving mailody a try. it's nice. :)
[11:56] <fdoving> if not, well.. learn how to use unison.
[12:00] <bddebian> nixternal: So get bug fixin ;-)