[04:13] <_MMA_> troy_s: Is the murrine engine going to be packaged for Feisty?
[04:38] <troy_s> _mma_ wrong guy to ask here.
[04:43] <_MMA_> :)
[04:44] <_MMA_> Hmm... Ok. Ill ask around devel. If not, we'll package it.
[07:24] <klepas> _MMA_: ping
[01:12] <_MMA_> klepas: pong
[01:13] <klepas> what is your connection to murrina?
[01:13] <klepas> Murrine, rather
[01:16] <_MMA_> Not anything besides Ubuntu Studio wants to use it as their main engine.
[01:17] <_MMA_> I manage the project.
[01:17] <klepas> hey, kudos
[01:17] <klepas> that rocks :)
[01:17] <klepas> as for your answer
[01:17] <_MMA_> Thanx. We're tryin.
[01:17] <klepas> i strongly doubt it
[01:17] <klepas> regarding question from timestamp 14:13:12
[01:18] <_MMA_> Ok.
[01:18] <klepas> i would, if i could
[01:19] <_MMA_> Theres a package from Gnome-look we've been using. Ill have our packagers get it into Universe.
[01:20] <klepas> that sounds awesome
[01:20] <klepas> see if you can get the murrine configurator as well :)
[01:20] <klepas> and all the themes :)
[01:21] <_MMA_> LOL. We already have a TON of work but Ill look into it.
[01:21] <klepas> that would be great
[01:21] <_MMA_> We're still desperately trying to sort out Cinelerra.
[01:21] <klepas> what's that?
[01:21] <_MMA_> A video editor.
[01:22] <klepas> linear?
[01:22] <_MMA_> http://cvs.cinelerra.org/
[01:22] <klepas> only irc atm :(
[01:22] <_MMA_> Ahh...
[04:07] <troy_s> _mma_ it would be terrific if you guys could get cinelerra in... i just tried to get it to compile from cvs on my amd64 box.
[04:10] <_MMA_> troy_s: Theres alot of issues around it. 1.) The licensing isnt satisfactory to Debian rules. 2.) They use a static binary of ffmpeg. That normally isnt a big deal unless you want to ship it with a distribution. Which we do. :)
[04:10] <troy_s> i belive the ffmpeg issue is performance
[04:11] <troy_s> it is difficult when you get into nles because you expect top notch performance.
[04:11] <_MMA_> Yeah. Its a stable, customized version they use.
[04:11] <_MMA_> So it could introduce issues if we have it use the systems one.
[04:12] <troy_s> i am still trying to get it to compile... seems there is a -fPIC issue
[04:12] <_MMA_> Edgy or Feisty?
[04:13] <troy_s> Edgy
[04:13] <_MMA_> Oh wait. You said 64bit.
[04:13] <troy_s> Yes...
[04:13] <troy_s> Everyone should be running in 64bit ;)
[04:13] <_MMA_> I think theres 32bit Edgy packages.
[04:13] <_MMA_> Do you think so?
[04:13] <troy_s> Absolutely
[04:13] <_MMA_> I havnt seen a big difference.
[04:13] <troy_s> its quite huge actually
[04:14] <troy_s> amd's 64bit architecture is very slick
[04:14] <_MMA_> We are gonna focus on 64bit on our next release.
[04:14] <_MMA_> I have a AM2 4600+
[04:14] <troy_s> especially in studio apps
[04:14] <troy_s> dual core?
[04:14] <_MMA_> yep
[04:14] <troy_s> and you are crippling it by running in 32 bit?
[04:14] <troy_s> you do realize that 32 bit apps perform better in native 64bit mode eh?
[04:15] <_MMA_> Somewhat. I still use both processors just not 64bit.
[04:15] <troy_s> that is, if you _must_ emulate
[04:15] <troy_s> if you run ubuntu as your primary workstation, there really isn't much reason to _not_ be in 64 bit mode.
[04:15] <_MMA_> I run 32bit because of things like Flash and video codecs.
[04:16] <troy_s> flash and java are easily accomplished
[04:16] <troy_s> without a chroot
[04:16] <troy_s> or anything
[04:16] <troy_s> just run them using linux32
[04:16] <troy_s> re video codecs -- the only one that used to be a problem was wmv
[04:17] <troy_s> otherwise there are native video codecs for pretty much every one i have come across
[04:17] <_MMA_> Not sure what that is. Its actually come down to time lately. Ive been so busy with the family and the project I havnt had time to look at it since Dapper.
[04:17] <troy_s> i strongly encourage you to give it a shot.
[04:17] <troy_s> its very easy...
[04:18] <_MMA_> Im getting another SATA drive soon. Im getting it as a test drive. Ill try then.
[04:18] <troy_s> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[04:18] <_MMA_> Defiantly by Feisty+1.
[04:18] <troy_s> Not worth crippling your chip for those two silly bits.
[04:18] <troy_s> Especially that garbage flash.
[04:19] <troy_s> i upgraded to the flash beta too, and it works (for silly kid games)
[04:19] <troy_s> it was merely copying the lib.so file into the 32bit firefox plugins dir.
[04:19] <_MMA_> hmm...
[04:21] <_MMA_> Ill have a look at it.
[04:21] <_MMA_> I dont want to mess up this partition yet. ;)
[04:21] <troy_s> especially then because i could probably get amd64 bit suport out of ubuntu studio ;)
[04:22] <_MMA_> Well thats the plan. :) Im building a mobile studio in a year and it will be 64bit.
[04:24] <_MMA_> You cant run 32bit .debs on 64bit right?
[04:24] <_MMA_> Is there a 64bit packaging team?
[04:25] <troy_s> Actually
[04:25] <troy_s> it gets tricky
[04:25] <troy_s> some debs are platform irrelevant and you can force the package manager to install them
[04:25] <troy_s> the problem is that the default paths tend to feck up things if they include binaries.
[04:26] <troy_s> theoretically, i believe you can use dpkg to force an install to an alternative dir, but then you have all of the other packaging details to deal with (like incorrect .desktop file placement that might override 64 bit equivs etc)
[04:26] <_MMA_> ahh..
[04:26] <troy_s> I believe that the 64bit / 32bit is all handled by each
[04:26] <troy_s> pusher
[04:27] <troy_s> from the MOTU etc.
[04:27] <troy_s> they simply build the bins on their side then push them then daniel does the official push.
[04:27] <_MMA_> gotcha
[04:27] <troy_s> If you can find me svn or cvs that compiles
[04:28] <troy_s> i would gladly help out your project in my spare time.
[04:28] <_MMA_> You have spare time? :)
[04:28] <troy_s> i know that there are packages for rosegarden
[04:28] <troy_s> sometimes... if it is something as simple as testing 64 bit packages yes.
[04:28] <troy_s> rosegarden, ardour, rezound, etc
[04:29] <troy_s> all have native 64 bit packages
[04:29] <_MMA_> Seems like everyone I meet is so involved they're swamped.
[04:29] <troy_s> well...
[04:29] <troy_s> not so much with ubuntu
[04:29] <troy_s> my career takes up massive amounts of time
[04:29] <_MMA_> mhm
[04:29] <troy_s> but when i am in hiatus modes, i have a bit between family and such.
[04:30] <troy_s> is there a reason that you are only deving a 32bit studio?
[04:30] <troy_s> and again, i don't recall, why isn't it a metapackage?
[04:30] <troy_s> is it a kernel issue?
[04:30] <_MMA_> "troy_s: is there a reason that you are only deving a 32bit studio?" Because of limited time/experiance/test machines/
[04:31] <_MMA_> "troy_s: and again, i don't recall, why isn't it a metapackage?" Because we wanted a disk. :)
[04:31] <_MMA_> "troy_s: is it a kernel issue?" Not really. Mark gave the go ahead for a kernel for us.
[04:31] <_MMA_> The "-lowlatency" one.
[04:31] <troy_s> How cool.
[04:32] <troy_s> so you add the -lowlatency kernel and you get it?
[04:32] <troy_s> (by the way the idea of a disk is awsome, but for those folks out there who need an idiot installation package on a default box it might be worth considering)
[04:32] <troy_s> I have a few audio friends who would dearly love that package.
[04:32] <_MMA_> I miis what you mean there. We're mot packaging it. BenC made one.
[04:32] <troy_s> yes...
[04:33] <troy_s> but is it in the official repos?
[04:33] <_MMA_> yep. That was a unbreakable rule. Everything gets into the repos.
[04:33] <_MMA_> So everyone benifits.
[04:33] <_MMA_> *benefits
[04:34] <troy_s> hrm... i only see generic and server.
[04:34] <troy_s> only in 32bit land then isn't it?
[04:34] <_MMA_> In Feisty?
[04:35] <_MMA_> Its currently in Feisty. I was also told the -gereric and -lowlatency kernels were the same whether your running 32bit or 64bit. I still have to look into this.
[04:42] <_MMA_> BenC has mentioned the -low latency kernels will work on Edgy. I did it. I changed my sources.list to feisty and grabbed the linux-image-lowlatency meta and it should grab everything needed.
[04:45] <PingunZ> what are the benefits of a low latency kernel ? the speed ?
[04:48] <_MMA_> The -lowlatency kernel currently is just like -generic other then it has a 1000mhz timer and preemption enabled.