[05:19] <harry> i'm here?
[05:19] <harry> i'm here
[05:19] <nalioth> hi
[05:19] <QwertyM> oO
[05:19] <QwertyM> ubotu!
[05:19] <borg> O.o
[05:19] <nalioth> SilentDis: a little less static here
[05:20] <nalioth> what software did you find that is in the RPM?
[05:20] <QwertyM> oO > Oo
[05:20] <SilentDis> nalioth, lol yes
[05:20] <harry> nalioth: lightscribe?
[05:20] <borg> QwertyM, -_-
[05:20] <nalioth> who found the RPM for it?
[05:21] <harry> nalioth: lightscribe: http://www.lightscribe.com/downloadSection/linux/index.aspx?id=814
[05:22] <SilentDis> nalioth, i just did a google search for harry, and advised on one way to use the .rpm file (with alien)
[05:22] <harry> nalioth: to install lightscribe?
[05:22] <nalioth> let me look
[05:22] <nalioth> one should always use source code or .deb files if possible
[05:23] <nalioth> using rpms or .tgz (slackware package files) can lead to system instability
[05:23] <harry> SilentDis: is alien an application?
[05:23] <harry> SilentDis: is alien an application? that i have to install first?
[05:23] <nalioth> !alien
[05:23] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[05:24] <harry> nalioth: so its still not good to install alien, am i right?
[05:25] <nalioth> alien is ok
[05:25] <nalioth> it is a native Ubuntu package
[05:25] <harry> nalioth: how come you're so sure about that?
[05:26] <nalioth> i'm a big contributor to Ubuntu :)
[05:26] <harry> nalioth: ah I see, so you mean to say "one of the developers"
[05:27] <nalioth> alien not only works for RPMs, it works for other formats, too
[05:27] <nalioth> none of which should be used, if you have a choice
[05:27] <harry> nalioth: so i have to sudo apt-get install alien
[05:27] <nalioth> i do not like proprietary software (which lightscribe is) but it seems there is no other choice but to use the RPM
[05:28] <nalioth> yes, that will install alien
[05:28] <SilentDis> harry:  i've read up on it, they posted a bunch of info from their e-mails back and forth with the support folks... it looks like, at this moment, there's support for Lightscribe in Dapper, but not in Edgy.  in edgy, the tools cause segfaults.
[05:28] <SilentDis> nalioth:  LaCie was the last one working on it, from the looks of things.
[05:28] <harry> SilentDis: thats helpful, are they working on it for edgy? cause i'm using edgy
[05:29] <nalioth> yes, they are working on it for edgy.
[05:29] <SilentDis> harry:  from what I can tell, yes.
[05:30] <SilentDis> i have to get going, take care all :)
[05:31] <harry> nalioth: well thanks a lot, i'll just be waiting for its release
[05:32] <nalioth> in some cases, if you HAVE to have something that is only available as an RPM or other format, you would use alien
[05:32] <nalioth> i always look for a source package if one is available
[05:41] <nalioth> nny: catch the /topic ?
[05:41] <nalioth> this is where we hold classes
[05:42] <nalioth> and take folks aside to help them with in depth problems in a more relaxed environment
[05:42] <nalioth> nny: ?
[05:42] <nny> yes
[05:42] <nny> sorry was in other channel
[05:42] <nalioth> why not ask -classroom stuff in here?
[05:43] <nny> i am gonna read over the transcripts... been trying to find new ways to expand my knowledge... more in depth stuff etc
[05:43] <nalioth> maybe there is something you'd like to teach . . . .
[05:45] <nny> hmm i would be interested.. maybe outline something before to make sure info is correct etc.
[05:45] <nny> i have always wanted to.. then again there are things I would like to learn as well
[05:45] <nalioth> well, helping folks teaches you stuff
[05:46] <nny> so true
[05:47] <nny> yeah... I would actually... I am not code side heavy, I personally have plenty of basic linux experience, started on gentoo 6 years ago
[05:47] <nny> then slack, stuck on ubuntu for the last year and a half
[05:48] <nny> IMHO ubuntu has made great progress for the community.. i swear it's harder these days for me to admin my clients win boxes