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| Bluewolf | Hello, I`m blue. I`m Trien to Figure out how to Show what Firmware i have for my wireless card that is built in to my laptop. Is there a Command? or a Place i can go to find such a thing? | 04:44 |
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| Hobbsee | Bluewolf: try #ubuntu - lspci will tell you the chipset of your wifi card | 04:45 |
| Bluewolf | I dont need the chipset, i know what it is. I`m Trien to find what firmware runs on it. and i already used that command. | 04:46 |
| Bluewolf | but thx you for pointin me into ubunto | 04:47 |
| Bluewolf | peace | 04:47 |
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| Hobbsee | !packagingguide | 05:08 |
| ubotu | The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | 05:08 |
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| rpereira | Is there a REVU admin here? | 05:19 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: siretart are | 05:20 |
| Hobbsee | well, might be | 05:20 |
| rpereira | siretart: can you re-sync my uploader key ring? | 05:20 |
| Hobbsee | he may not actually be here | 05:24 |
| joejaxx | does anyone know of a very small application without a whole lot of dependencies that is not already in ubuntu-minimal or ubuntu-standard? | 05:26 |
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| rpereira | You're right Hobbseee | 05:29 |
| rpereira | Is there a REVU admin here? | 05:29 |
| joejaxx | did anyone say anything while i was gone? | 05:29 |
| Hobbsee | joejaxx: no. | 05:29 |
| Hobbsee | rpereira: if neither of those responded, i'd say not | 05:30 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 05:30 |
| rpereira | Hobbsee: Yeap.... You right.... | 05:33 |
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| AnAnt | anyone knows what happened to packages.freecontrib.org ? | 09:14 |
| Adri2000 | AnAnt: are you looking for the PLF repository? | 09:20 |
| AnAnt | yup | 09:21 |
| AnAnt | Adri2000: yes | 09:22 |
| Adri2000 | AnAnt: PLF is now called Medibuntu: https://launchpad.net/products/medibuntu | 09:22 |
| AnAnt | thanks | 09:22 |
| Hobbsee | *way* cool | 09:24 |
| Hobbsee | a guy's reporting breakage, and he's using repos for *three* releases | 09:24 |
| Fujitsu | Hahaha, nice. | 09:27 |
| Fujitsu | Where? | 09:27 |
| Hobbsee | feisty sectoin of the forums | 09:28 |
| Fujitsu | Ooh. | 09:28 |
| === Fujitsu looks. | ||
| Hobbsee | the one about kdebase....*.deb | 09:28 |
| AnAnt | anyone using Feisty ? | 09:28 |
| AnAnt | is there a problem with the 2.6.20 kernel ? | 09:28 |
| Hobbsee | also a fair few posts about the devs being lazy, and bugs not being fixed | 09:28 |
| Hobbsee | for some people, yes | 09:28 |
| Fujitsu | AnAnt, what type of problem? | 09:28 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, nice! | 09:28 |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: i'd imagine there are many. | 09:28 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: uh, yeah :P | 09:28 |
| AnAnt | well, I can't boot ! | 09:28 |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: any *particular* one you had in mind? | 09:29 |
| === Fujitsu fixes some bugs, by DDoSing the fora. | ||
| === Adri2000 just dist-upgraded to feisty | ||
| Adri2000 | $ uname -r | 09:29 |
| Adri2000 | 2.6.20-2-generic | 09:29 |
| Hobbsee | Sysinfo for 'sarah': Linux 2.6.20-2-generic running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: GenuineIntel(R)CPUT2250@1.73GHz at 800 MHz (3458 bogomips), , RAM: 582/1510MB, 134 proc's, 1.10h up | 09:29 |
| Hobbsee | right | 09:29 |
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| Hobbsee | Adri2000: did you get all the updates before you rebooted? | 09:29 |
| AnAnt | ok | 09:30 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: yeah | 09:30 |
| AnAnt | will try again then | 09:30 |
| Adri2000 | Hobbsee: you were asking AnAnt? :) | 09:30 |
| Adri2000 | it works fine for me :) | 09:30 |
| Hobbsee | Adri2000: sorry, yes | 09:31 |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: chroot in, run update-initramfs -u | 09:32 |
| Hobbsee | see if that fixes it | 09:32 |
| AnAnt | k | 09:32 |
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| Sp4rKy | hi there | 09:38 |
| === Hobbsee waves | ||
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| freeflying | Hobbsee: arounds? | 10:32 |
| Sp4rKy | hi freeflying | 10:32 |
| freeflying | Sp4rKy: hey | 10:33 |
| Sp4rKy | how are you ? | 10:33 |
| freeflying | Sp4rKy: fine, thanks :) | 10:33 |
| Sp4rKy | :) | 10:34 |
| freeflying | StevenK: ping | 10:36 |
| StevenK | freeflying? | 10:42 |
| freeflying | StevenK: how about the updates in dapper universe now? | 10:44 |
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| freeflying | StevenK: two packages version mismatach in dapper, they belongs to on source package | 10:44 |
| freeflying | s/on/one | 10:44 |
| freeflying | StevenK: they are m17n-db and libm17n-0 | 10:47 |
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| StevenK | freeflying: They do not. m17n-db comes from m17n-db, and libm17n-0 comes from m17n-lib | 11:07 |
| StevenK | m17n-db got updated to 1.3.1 during dapper, and m17n-lib didn't. | 11:08 |
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| freeflying | StevenK: but they shall match, or scim-m17n can not use them | 11:10 |
| neutrinomass | twinkle fails to build because of build deps on libzrtpcpp-dev, which is not in Ubuntu but is in debian stable/unstable | 11:10 |
| freeflying | StevenK: I will talk with you later, thanks | 11:11 |
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| StevenK | neutrinomass: It does not exist in Debian stable | 11:12 |
| neutrinomass | StevenK: sorry, that should have been testing/unstable | 11:12 |
| StevenK | It just needs to be synced across. | 11:13 |
| neutrinomass | (new packages are not synced automatically right?) so I request a sync and subscribe ubuntu-archive ? | 11:14 |
| StevenK | I'm not sure if that's what needs to happen for new packages. | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | hi | 11:18 |
| === StevenK waves to ajmitch. | ||
| StevenK | ajmitch: Merry Christmas, etc, etc | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | libzrtpcpp-dev just needs to actually build | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | yeah, same to you :) | 11:19 |
| StevenK | libzrtpcpp wants libccrtp | 11:20 |
| ajmitch | which should be available | 11:20 |
| StevenK | It wasn't when it was tried to build. | 11:20 |
| StevenK | So libzrtpcpp just needs to be handed back. | 11:20 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch: you moving to russia soon? zrtpcpp sounds like some russian gov agency | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | no, but a russian does live here | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | libccrtp-dev: Depends: libccrtp1-1.5-0 (= 1.5.0-2) but it is not going to be installed | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | we have 1.5.0-2build1 | 11:22 |
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| ajmitch | stupid exact build-deps for separate source packages | 11:22 |
| === ajmitch is happy that the little samsung music player he got for christmas supports ogg with no issues | ||
| Hobbsee | yay :) | 11:24 |
| ajmitch | especially as all the music I have is in ogg vorbis format | 11:25 |
| ajmitch | hello Hobbsee | 11:25 |
| Hobbsee | hey ajmitch | 11:26 |
| zorglu_ | q. i need a directory which is wiped out on boot, exactly like /var/run, but writable by any user, any suggestion on the one i should use ? | 11:26 |
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| Hobbsee | StevenK: FYI - it is the same for new package syncs as updated package syncs | 11:26 |
| ajmitch | zorglu_: /tmp is probably cleared on boot on a new install | 11:27 |
| === ajmitch can't recall if it is on this box | ||
| zorglu_ | ajmitch: cool so /tmp is an option, but /tmp to store pid file is 'soso' :) is there another alternative ? | 11:28 |
| neutrinomass | Hobbsee: nearly all the phpapi is fixed now (geser fixed the rest :) ), thanks ! | 11:28 |
| Hobbsee | neutrinomass: yay! :) | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | zorglu_: I doubt it | 11:28 |
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| zorglu_ | ajmitch: ok so it will be /tmp, thanks :) | 11:29 |
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| zorglu_ | q. is there a document, from ubuntu or freedesktop, on what directory should contain what ? | 11:58 |
| zorglu_ | like what is in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin, this kind of stuff | 11:59 |
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| lupine_85 | that'd be the linux standard base | 12:04 |
| lupine_85 | they've got a website $out_there | 12:04 |
| zorglu_ | ok thanks, googling :) | 12:04 |
| zorglu_ | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ <- seems to be the one :) | 12:08 |
| Hobbsee | neutrinomass: filing unmet deps bugs again, i see :P | 12:08 |
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| neutrinomass | Hobbsee: Yeah, recently I discovered edos-debcheck : | 12:21 |
| neutrinomass | :p | 12:21 |
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| Hobbsee | neutrinomass: nice :) i did tmview | 12:22 |
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| fernando | moin all | 12:25 |
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| pirast | hi, i have two questions regarding cdbs: | 01:07 |
| Hobbsee | shoot | 01:07 |
| pirast | how can i run commands before compiling it | 01:07 |
| pirast | and how can i run command when cleaning? | 01:08 |
| pirast | hi Hobbsee :-) | 01:08 |
| pirast | merry christmas | 01:08 |
| Hobbsee | you too :) | 01:08 |
| Hobbsee | pirast: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml isnt too bad documentation. usually it's done for you though | 01:11 |
| Hobbsee | pirast: what in particular were you wanting to do? patching? | 01:11 |
| pirast | Hobbsee, no.. | 01:12 |
| pirast | In order to get configure to run cleanly, I have to run some commands in the source | 01:12 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 01:12 |
| pirast | Currently, I solve it with a patch, but when I replace the source this might not work anymore so I'd like to have a cleaner solution | 01:12 |
| Hobbsee | pirast: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id2452326 | 01:13 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 01:13 |
| pirast | okay, thanks :-) | 01:15 |
| pirast | ill look at it | 01:15 |
| giskard | someone here uses goossip-tp-voip (the gossip branch with video supports from kikidonk)? | 01:16 |
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| a^2 | is there any motu-science guy in here? | 02:28 |
| a^2 | ogra: ping | 02:28 |
| Hobbsee | a^2: look at the date | 02:29 |
| a^2 | Hobbsee: I don't get it sorry? | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | a^2: most people are with families, etc - they're not on irc | 02:29 |
| a^2 | Hobbsee: ahh .. ok | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | and they're not at work either | 02:30 |
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| === Yagisan wonders what Hobbsee is doing here then ... | ||
| Yagisan | (yes - over an hour of lag) | 03:46 |
| Hobbsee | Yagisan: sorry? | 03:46 |
| Yagisan | Hobbsee, you made a comment over an hour ago that most people aren't here due to the date - so, why are you still here ? | 03:47 |
| Hobbsee | Yagisan: true, but it's boxing day, and the parents are asleep | 03:48 |
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| Yagisan | Hobbsee, I'm here rolling back from a bad initramfs-tools upgrade on a server | 03:50 |
| Hobbsee | ouch | 03:50 |
| Yagisan | it wasn't fun to see it didn't reboot | 03:51 |
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| Hobbsee | feisty? | 03:51 |
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| Yagisan | yep | 03:52 |
| Yagisan | I seem to have fixed it now | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 03:52 |
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| === enyc meepso | ||
| === enyc wonders about processing of his bugreport new with patch... https://launchpad.net/bugs/72602 wonder what happen next........... | ||
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 72602 in qpsmtpd "qpsmtpd should create /var/run/qpsmtpd in init.d (/var/run/ is tmpfs)" [Medium,Confirmed] | 04:56 |
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| Adri2000 | enyc: you just wait :) | 04:57 |
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| Adri2000 | enyc: but you didn't have to create a patch for that, you can directly modify what you want in debian/, patches are useful to modify the upstream source | 04:58 |
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| enyc | Adri2000: sure... but... that makes easier to fix the dapper and edgy versions later? | 05:01 |
| enyc | Adri2000: which all have the same problem | 05:01 |
| Adri2000 | enyc: not sure... if the dapper and edgy versions have different init scripts, your patch won't work | 05:04 |
| Adri2000 | it's easier to patch by hand | 05:04 |
| enyc | Adri2000: hrrm ok well whatver | 05:05 |
| enyc | Adri2000: i think those versions are rather similar actually | 05:05 |
| enyc | Adri2000: sistpoty said i should create the dpatch actually | 05:06 |
| enyc | Adri2000: I didntreally know if there was a good reason for that... but I did it that was as he asked me to etc. | 05:06 |
| Adri2000 | hmm, strange, you can wait for someone else's opinion | 05:07 |
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| fdoving | enyc: i'm with adri on this. dpatching the debian/ dir is unneccesary. make the changes directly,and make a debdiff. You should also use your real name in the changelog entry. | 05:09 |
| enyc | fdoving: bah how confusing | 05:10 |
| fdoving | I know it can be at first. | 05:10 |
| fdoving | dpatching is good for everything except debian/ | 05:10 |
| enyc | fdoving: please encourage the sponsors to formally accept or rejct this... with oa comment in the bugtracker stating the exact requirements and I will be happy to do what I can! | 05:12 |
| enyc | fdoving: I havent really seen anywhere propertly explaining all these processes you see... | 05:12 |
| enyc | fdoving: sisypoty told me many things which I have now notes and used... and reasonably understood... | 05:12 |
| enyc | fdoving: since I have not uploaded a debdiff before ;-) | 05:13 |
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| enyc | Anymay I shall wait for the sponsors/whomever to write back in the bug... | 05:15 |
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| fdoving | enyc: i propose something like this: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/enyc-qpsmtpd.debdiff - I added a 'if directory /var/run/qpsmtpd does not exist, then run mkdir -p..' and i dropped the dpatching. | 05:27 |
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| fdoving | enyc: as you can see it's now easier to read from the .debdiff what has changed. | 05:27 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 05:38 |
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| Lutin___ | Lutin_ | 05:44 |
| Lutin___ | oops. sorry | 05:44 |
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| LaserJock | good morning MOTU Land! | 06:09 |
| joejaxx | :) | 06:11 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx! | 06:11 |
| joejaxx | Good Morning LaserJock :) | 06:11 |
| LaserJock | I was starting to think people were on vacation or something | 06:11 |
| joejaxx | they probably are | 06:12 |
| joejaxx | it has not been that active in here | 06:12 |
| LaserJock | unexcusable | 06:13 |
| LaserJock | we have merges to do ;-) | 06:13 |
| joejaxx | :) | 06:13 |
| gpocentek | hello LaserJock, joejaxx | 06:15 |
| LaserJock | hi Gavain | 06:16 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock, joejaxx | 06:16 |
| highvoltage | heh | 06:17 |
| LaserJock | *Gauvain | 06:17 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock will make a good boss | 06:17 |
| LaserJock | bddebian! | 06:17 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage! | 06:17 |
| highvoltage | sorry LaserJock | 06:17 |
| LaserJock | heh | 06:17 |
| highvoltage | I mean, LaserJock is a good boss | 06:17 |
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| highvoltage | :) | 06:17 |
| LaserJock | work, lazy MOTUs, work! | 06:17 |
| joejaxx | Hello gpocentek bddebian :) | 06:18 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: LOL | 06:18 |
| LaserJock | I must be the anti-dholbach | 06:19 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I would gladly do merges tonight if I understood how they work | 06:19 |
| LaserJock | he hugs, I give task lists | 06:19 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 06:19 |
| highvoltage | last tine I tried I couldn't figure it out, but then again, I also had close to no bandwidth... | 06:19 |
| highvoltage | perhaps I should try it again | 06:19 |
| LaserJock | it's actually not to bad if you stop trying to "figure it out" | 06:20 |
| highvoltage | heh | 06:20 |
| LaserJock | people get stuck on figuring out all of the MoM stuff | 06:21 |
| LaserJock | when in relality most MOTUs don't really look at MoM output much | 06:22 |
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| highvoltage | LaserJock: where should I get started? | 06:22 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I basically have the rest of the evening free so I might as well dive in again | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | k | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | well, head on over to merges.ubuntu.com | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | you might want to make a merges/ dir somewhere to work on them | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | and go to http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html and http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motutodo/universe.html for merge status | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | the later link is a daily cronjob I set up as merges.ubuntu.com isn't updates very often (and could be stopped altogether now) | 06:26 |
| highvoltage | ah ok | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | once you pick a package make sure it's not already being worked on | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | check launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/<packagename>/+bugs for sync or merge requests | 06:27 |
| highvoltage | would I want to use grab-merge.sh ? | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | and if the person who did it last (listed on http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html) is handy let them know you're working on it | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | you can if you want | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | it's handy to grab all the packages (Debian and Ubuntu) that you need | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | what I do is make ~/packaging/merges/ | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | put grab-merge.sh in there | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | and then make <packagename>/ in there | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | cd to <packagename> and run ../grab-merge.sh <packagename> | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | just to keep things clean | 06:30 |
| highvoltage | so I'd start by choosing a package listed as outdated in ubuntu on http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motutodo/universe.html ? | 06:30 |
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| LaserJock | "Outdated in Ubuntu" are packages that haven't been modified by Ubuntu (no ubuntuX version) but are outdated | 06:31 |
| LaserJock | they are sync candidates but not as high priority as the "Outdated in Ubuntu , but Ubuntu has local changes" packages | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | so try to pick ones from the 2nd section | 06:33 |
| highvoltage | ok, so I could choose something like, 'adasockets'? | 06:33 |
| Adri2000 | yep :) | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: yes | 06:34 |
| Adri2000 | LaserJock: do you know what dh_desktop really does? the man page says "dh_desktop is a debhelper program that registers .desktop files"... | 06:35 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: is that what the first section is for? | 06:36 |
| highvoltage | that's a very cool script | 06:36 |
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| LaserJock | Adri2000: yeah, it basically runs the .desktop update tool | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | update-desktop or something | 06:39 |
| Adri2000 | update-desktop-database | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: is what what the first section is for? | 06:40 |
| Adri2000 | argh, no man page for update-desktop-database. LaserJock: I have a merge with only one remaining change: dh_desktop, do you think I can request a sync? | 06:41 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: the different color sections | 06:41 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: for the table of packages | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | Adri2000: did we add a .desktop? | 06:41 |
| Adri2000 | yes, icon and .desktop, they are now in debian | 06:42 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: well, that URL lists the Universe packages that are outdated with respect to Debian. Then it is broken down into packages we've modified (2nd section) and those we haven't (1st) | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | Adri2000: merge it and file a bug in Debian | 06:43 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: for packages that we haven't modified they should at least have been autosynced once already | 06:44 |
| Adri2000 | LaserJock: oops, in fact dh_desktop is also in the debian package, I didn't see it. so I will request a sync (if it builds fine of course...) | 06:47 |
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| Adri2000 | ahaha... sync already requested... | 06:49 |
| LaserJock | heh | 06:51 |
| LaserJock | it is better to look before you do all the work | 06:51 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 06:51 |
| Subhuman | is there a way to find out what version of ubuntu is running on a machine from the shell? like a "uname -a" but for the version (Edgy dapper breezy etc.) | 06:57 |
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| Adri2000 | lsb_release -a | 06:58 |
| Adri2000 | $ lsb_release -c | 06:58 |
| Adri2000 | Codename: feisty | 06:58 |
| Subhuman | ahh awesome, i can just grep/awk that out | 06:59 |
| Subhuman | thanks | 06:59 |
| cypherbios | | cut -f 2 :) | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | well, I better be off. I've got to pack all our stuff up as we are driving from my inlaws to my family in a few hours | 07:00 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: have fun with the merging, if you get stuck just yell for help :-) | 07:01 |
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| Q-FUNK | would anybody happen to know of a tool to access a git tree? | 07:04 |
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| highvoltage | hi motu's. I'm learning to do merges (see scrollback). I downloaded the packages with merge-grab.sh, what do I do next? | 08:05 |
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| geser | highvoltage: on which package are you working? | 08:13 |
| highvoltage | geser: adasockets | 08:15 |
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| geser | highvoltage: the only change seems to be gnat -> gnat-4.1 | 08:18 |
| geser | I'd be good to know if this is still needed | 08:18 |
| geser | s/I'd/it | 08:18 |
| highvoltage | geser: where did you see that that changed? | 08:18 |
| geser | http://merges.ubuntu.com/a/adasockets/adasockets_1.8.4.7-4ubuntu1.patch | 08:19 |
| geser | is the Ubuntu patch for the current Ubuntu version | 08:19 |
| geser | you should have this file already downloaded with grab-merge.sh | 08:20 |
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| highvoltage | yep, I got that file | 08:26 |
| highvoltage | so it's usually the .patch file I should check after downloading? | 08:26 |
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| geser | I usually look there to see what was changed in the last version | 08:27 |
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| geser | MoM tries to apply those changes to the new Debian version | 08:29 |
| geser | you have to check if it applied without problems | 08:29 |
| geser | - check if it is still needed (sometimes Debian takes an other approach to fix something) | 08:30 |
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| geser | sometimes is happens that the Ubuntu patch still applies and Debian has a similar fix (perhaps only some lines higher in the file) | 08:33 |
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| highvoltage | hmmm | 08:33 |
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| geser | highvoltage: in case of adasockets it needs to be decided if the changes are still needed | 08:36 |
| highvoltage | geser: how is that decided? | 08:36 |
| geser | I'd say that the gnat -> gnat-4.1 isn't needed as gnat depends on gnat-4.1 | 08:36 |
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| geser | remains the change to the clean target in debian/rules | 08:37 |
| geser | I'd do a test-build of the unmodified package in a pbuilder | 08:38 |
| geser | if it builds without problems -> adasockets should probably be synced | 08:38 |
| geser | else fix it (you have then probably found the reason for the change to the clean target) | 08:39 |
| highvoltage | hmmm... I haven't built a pbuilder environement yet | 08:40 |
| highvoltage | perhaps I should do that | 08:40 |
| highvoltage | thanks for your advise geser | 08:40 |
| highvoltage | I have some friends over, will attack this again tomorrow :) | 08:41 |
| geser | highvoltage: a pbuilder is very handy when working on packages | 08:42 |
| ivoks | it's a must-have | 08:42 |
| highvoltage | I've been meaning to look at it for a while | 08:42 |
| highvoltage | I create lots of packages for a local project, but do it all outside of a chroot | 08:42 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 10:20 |
| giskard | hello ajmitch | 10:20 |
| giskard | how are you? | 10:20 |
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| ajmitch | ok, how are you? | 10:21 |
| ivoks | hi ajmitch | 10:21 |
| giskard | fine! | 10:28 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 10:30 |
| ajmitch | hello mr bddebian | 10:32 |
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| Shoragan | what is needed to trigger a pull from debian experimental? | 11:15 |
| Shoragan | for pida | 11:15 |
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| tsmithe | anyone here know anything about makefiles for libraries? | 11:23 |
| tsmithe | anyone? | 11:25 |
| tsmithe | anyone know where to ask? | 11:25 |
| bddebian | A makefile is a makefile | 11:25 |
| tsmithe | yes | 11:25 |
| Adri2000 | :) | 11:25 |
| tsmithe | but i know nothing about building libraries | 11:25 |
| tsmithe | and wanna know how | 11:26 |
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| tsmithe | cos this library has no makefile | 11:26 |
| bddebian | building as in packaging or building? | 11:26 |
| tsmithe | building as in source->binary | 11:27 |
| tsmithe | of course, building is building | 11:27 |
| tsmithe | (always) | 11:27 |
| bddebian | ./configure && make | 11:28 |
| tsmithe | well there's no configure | 11:29 |
| tsmithe | (duh! or i wouldn't be asking) | 11:29 |
| bddebian | Now I remember why I was ignoring you | 11:29 |
| tsmithe | why? | 11:29 |
| tsmithe | you were? | 11:29 |
| bddebian | Is there a configure.am or .in? | 11:29 |
| tsmithe | nope | 11:29 |
| tsmithe | just sources | 11:29 |
| tsmithe | (in c) | 11:29 |
| bddebian | Then it's a crappy "package" or is this your source? | 11:29 |
| tsmithe | neither | 11:30 |
| tsmithe | it's a load of sources that: | 11:30 |
| tsmithe | a) i want to use | 11:30 |
| tsmithe | b) i want to package | 11:30 |
| geser | is there a README or INSTALL? | 11:30 |
| tsmithe | (a) i assumed that you people were knowledgeable, and may no something about it | 11:31 |
| tsmithe | s/no/know/ | 11:31 |
| tsmithe | geser, yes | 11:31 |
| tsmithe | but nothing helpful | 11:31 |
| geser | then ask the author | 11:31 |
| tsmithe | i did | 11:31 |
| tsmithe | :) | 11:31 |
| geser | he should know how to compile it into a library | 11:31 |
| tsmithe | there's a msvc project :( | 11:31 |
| lupine_85 | ... | 11:31 |
| tsmithe | but | 11:32 |
| bddebian | Then don't use it :) | 11:32 |
| tsmithe | it doesn't depend on anything windowsy | 11:32 |
| lupine_85 | does it #include mfc.h by any chance? | 11:32 |
| tsmithe | it doesn't depend on anything windowsy | 11:32 |
| lupine_85 | what /does/ it do? | 11:32 |
| tsmithe | produces audio fingerprints | 11:32 |
| tsmithe | it's libfooid | 11:32 |
| tsmithe | from http://www.foosic.org/libfooid.php | 11:32 |
| ajmitch | then you're probably not going to build a shared library | 11:33 |
| tsmithe | oh... why? | 11:33 |
| ajmitch | because it requires a sane build system | 11:33 |
| tsmithe | sane? | 11:33 |
| ajmitch | which you don't have | 11:33 |
| ajmitch | something usable | 11:33 |
| tsmithe | what's "sane" mean? | 11:33 |
| lupine_85 | erm. know insanity? The opposite of that | 11:34 |
| tsmithe | ok then | 11:34 |
| bddebian | Has a configure and makefiles | 11:34 |
| tsmithe | what's insane? | 11:34 |
| tsmithe | ah | 11:34 |
| lupine_85 | but anyway, writing a build system for a package you haven't made is... difficult | 11:34 |
| tsmithe | that's what i assumed | 11:34 |
| lupine_85 | s/a package/sources/ | 11:34 |
| tsmithe | yes | 11:34 |
| tsmithe | thing is, this guy ( http://blog.paulbetts.org/index.php/2006/10/16/fancy-new-program-gst-music-hash/ ) wrote a linux app using it | 11:36 |
| tsmithe | i may ask him for his makefile | 11:36 |
| tsmithe | though i still wonder how he did it | 11:36 |
| tsmithe | short of asking the foosic people for one | 11:36 |
| bddebian | Does he include the foosic source in his package? | 11:36 |
| tsmithe | err. i don't think so, but i'll look again | 11:39 |
| tsmithe | ooohh yes - i missed it last time | 11:39 |
| tsmithe | thanks :) | 11:39 |
| tsmithe | i'll look at his Makefile | 11:39 |
| tsmithe | and bddebian; why /were/ you ignoring me? | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | bundling source is not really a Good Thing | 11:40 |
| tsmithe | ajmitch, i agree | 11:40 |
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| bddebian | tsmithe: I don't remember now | 11:45 |
| tsmithe | :P | 11:45 |
| tsmithe | you said you remembered! | 11:46 |
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| tsmithe | oh bah - he builds it as a static library | 11:46 |
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| Adri2000 | tsmithe: you live in England? | 11:47 |
| tsmithe | yes | 11:47 |
| ajmitch | tsmithe: I'd expect that | 11:47 |
| tsmithe | ajmitch, i did too - but one can hope | 11:48 |
| Adri2000 | tsmithe: so I guess you're a native speaker, why were you asking what "(in)sane" means? | 11:48 |
| tsmithe | Adri2000, i meant in the sense of build systems | 11:48 |
| Adri2000 | ok | 11:49 |
| tsmithe | :) | 11:49 |
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| tsmithe | now i'll have to wait | 11:54 |
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| imbrandon | moins | 12:01 |
| bddebian | Heya imbrandon | 12:01 |
| imbrandon | heya bddebian | 12:02 |
| ajmitch | hey imbrandon | 12:02 |
| imbrandon | heya ajmitch | 12:04 |
| imbrandon | hrm | 12:04 |
| imbrandon | its crap to find things in beryl setting manager | 12:04 |
| imbrandon | thought i would try it again now that i have a system where its useable | 12:04 |
| imbrandon | but i can never find the options i want to change | 12:04 |
| imbrandon | like what it does when you minise a window | 12:04 |
| imbrandon | heh | 12:04 |
| imbrandon | so whats new yall | 12:07 |
| lupine_85 | imbrandon: beryl 0.1.4 :p and you're after the Animations plugin | 12:09 |
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| imbrandon | i have 0.1.4 installed :) | 12:10 |
| imbrandon | just got done building it | 12:10 |
| imbrandon | heh | 12:10 |
| lupine_85 | mm, me too pretty much | 12:10 |
| lupine_85 | 4 combinations of around 10 packages :s | 12:10 |
| lupine_85 | btw, do you know if there are any plans to ship an updated xserver-xgl in feisty? | 12:11 |
| imbrandon | no idea | 12:11 |
| lupine_85 | ok, np | 12:11 |
| imbrandon | tbh i'm not even sure who is maintaining X now a days | 12:12 |
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| Fujitsu | rodarvus is, isn't he? | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | probably | 12:13 |
| imbrandon | heya Fujitsu | 12:13 |
| Fujitsu | Hi imbrandon. | 12:13 |
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