[04:44] <Bluewolf> Hello, I`m blue. I`m Trien to Figure out how to Show what Firmware i have for my wireless card that is built in to my laptop. Is there a Command? or a Place i can go to find such a thing?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Bluewolf: try #ubuntu - lspci will tell you the chipset of your wifi card
[04:46] <Bluewolf> I dont need the chipset, i know what it is. I`m Trien to find what firmware runs on it. and i already used that command.
[04:47] <Bluewolf> but thx you for pointin me into ubunto
[04:47] <Bluewolf> peace
[05:08] <Hobbsee> !packagingguide
[05:08] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[05:19] <rpereira> Is there a REVU admin here?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: siretart are
[05:20] <Hobbsee> well, might be
[05:20] <rpereira> siretart: can you re-sync my uploader key ring?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> he may not actually be here
[05:26] <joejaxx> does anyone know of a very small application without a whole lot of dependencies that is not already in ubuntu-minimal or ubuntu-standard?
[05:29] <rpereira> You're right Hobbseee
[05:29] <rpereira> Is there a REVU admin here?
[05:29] <joejaxx> did anyone say anything while i was gone?
[05:29] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: no.  
[05:30] <Hobbsee> rpereira: if neither of those responded, i'd say not
[05:30] <joejaxx> oh ok
[05:33] <rpereira> Hobbsee: Yeap.... You right....
[09:14] <AnAnt> anyone knows what happened to packages.freecontrib.org ?
[09:20] <Adri2000> AnAnt: are you looking for the PLF repository?
[09:21] <AnAnt> yup
[09:22] <AnAnt> Adri2000: yes
[09:22] <Adri2000> AnAnt: PLF is now called Medibuntu: https://launchpad.net/products/medibuntu
[09:22] <AnAnt> thanks
[09:24] <Hobbsee> *way* cool
[09:24] <Hobbsee> a guy's reporting breakage, and he's using repos for *three* releases
[09:27] <Fujitsu> Hahaha, nice.
[09:27] <Fujitsu> Where?
[09:28] <Hobbsee> feisty sectoin of the forums
[09:28] <Fujitsu> Ooh.
[09:28] <Hobbsee> the one about kdebase....*.deb
[09:28] <AnAnt> anyone using Feisty ?
[09:28] <AnAnt> is there a problem with the 2.6.20 kernel ?
[09:28] <Hobbsee> also a fair few posts about the devs being lazy, and bugs not being fixed
[09:28] <Hobbsee> for some people, yes
[09:28] <Fujitsu> AnAnt, what type of problem?
[09:28] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, nice!
[09:28] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: i'd imagine there are many.
[09:28] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: uh, yeah :P
[09:28] <AnAnt> well, I can't boot !
[09:29] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: any *particular* one you had in mind?  
[09:29] <Adri2000> $ uname -r
[09:29] <Adri2000> 2.6.20-2-generic
[09:29] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'sarah': Linux 2.6.20-2-generic running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: GenuineIntel(R)CPUT2250@1.73GHz at 800 MHz (3458 bogomips), , RAM: 582/1510MB, 134 proc's, 1.10h up
[09:29] <Hobbsee> right
[09:29] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: did you get all the updates before you rebooted?
[09:30] <AnAnt> ok
[09:30] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: yeah
[09:30] <AnAnt> will try again then
[09:30] <Adri2000> Hobbsee: you were asking AnAnt? :)
[09:30] <Adri2000> it works fine for me :)
[09:31] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: sorry, yes
[09:32] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: chroot in, run update-initramfs -u
[09:32] <Hobbsee> see if that fixes it
[09:32] <AnAnt> k
[09:38] <Sp4rKy> hi there
[10:32] <freeflying> Hobbsee: arounds?
[10:32] <Sp4rKy> hi freeflying 
[10:33] <freeflying> Sp4rKy: hey
[10:33] <Sp4rKy> how are you ?
[10:33] <freeflying> Sp4rKy: fine, thanks  :)
[10:34] <Sp4rKy> :)
[10:36] <freeflying> StevenK: ping
[10:42] <StevenK> freeflying?
[10:44] <freeflying> StevenK: how about the updates in dapper universe now?
[10:44] <freeflying> StevenK: two packages version mismatach in dapper, they belongs to on source package
[10:44] <freeflying> s/on/one
[10:47] <freeflying> StevenK: they are m17n-db and libm17n-0
[11:07] <StevenK> freeflying: They do not. m17n-db comes from m17n-db, and libm17n-0 comes from m17n-lib
[11:08] <StevenK> m17n-db got updated to 1.3.1 during dapper, and m17n-lib didn't.
[11:10] <freeflying> StevenK: but they shall match, or scim-m17n can not use them
[11:10] <neutrinomass> twinkle fails to build because of build deps on libzrtpcpp-dev, which is not in Ubuntu but is in debian stable/unstable 
[11:11] <freeflying> StevenK: I will talk with you later, thanks
[11:12] <StevenK> neutrinomass: It does not exist in Debian stable
[11:12] <neutrinomass> StevenK: sorry, that should have been testing/unstable
[11:13] <StevenK> It just needs to be synced across. 
[11:14] <neutrinomass> (new packages are not synced automatically right?) so I request a sync and subscribe ubuntu-archive ?
[11:16] <StevenK> I'm not sure if that's what needs to happen for new packages.
[11:18] <ajmitch> hi
[11:19] <StevenK> ajmitch: Merry Christmas, etc, etc
[11:19] <ajmitch> libzrtpcpp-dev just needs to actually build
[11:19] <ajmitch> yeah, same to you :)
[11:20] <StevenK> libzrtpcpp wants libccrtp
[11:20] <ajmitch> which should be available
[11:20] <StevenK> It wasn't when it was tried to build.
[11:20] <StevenK> So libzrtpcpp just needs to be handed back.
[11:21] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: you moving to russia soon? zrtpcpp sounds like some russian gov agency
[11:21] <ajmitch> no, but a russian does live here
[11:22] <ajmitch>   libccrtp-dev: Depends: libccrtp1-1.5-0 (= 1.5.0-2) but it is not going to be installed
[11:22] <ajmitch> we have 1.5.0-2build1
[11:22] <ajmitch> stupid exact build-deps for separate source packages
[11:24] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[11:25] <ajmitch> especially as all the music I have is in ogg vorbis format
[11:25] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee 
[11:26] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch 
[11:26] <zorglu_> q. i need a directory which is wiped out on boot, exactly like /var/run, but writable by any user, any suggestion on the one i should use ?
[11:26] <Hobbsee> StevenK: FYI - it is the same for new package syncs as updated package syncs
[11:27] <ajmitch> zorglu_: /tmp is probably cleared on boot on a new install
[11:28] <zorglu_> ajmitch: cool so /tmp is an option, but /tmp to store pid file is 'soso' :) is there another alternative ?
[11:28] <neutrinomass> Hobbsee: nearly all the phpapi is fixed now (geser fixed the rest :) ), thanks !
[11:28] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: yay!   :)
[11:28] <ajmitch> zorglu_: I doubt it
[11:29] <zorglu_> ajmitch: ok so it will be /tmp, thanks :)
[11:58] <zorglu_> q. is there a document, from ubuntu or freedesktop, on what directory should contain what ? 
[11:59] <zorglu_> like what is in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin, this kind of stuff
[12:04] <lupine_85> that'd be the linux standard base
[12:04] <lupine_85> they've got a website $out_there
[12:04] <zorglu_> ok thanks, googling :)
[12:08] <zorglu_> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ <- seems to be the one :)
[12:08] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: filing unmet deps bugs again, i see :P
[12:21] <neutrinomass> Hobbsee: Yeah, recently I discovered edos-debcheck :
[12:21] <neutrinomass> :p
[12:22] <Hobbsee> neutrinomass: nice :)  i did tmview
[12:25] <fernando> moin all
[01:07] <pirast> hi, i have two questions regarding cdbs: 
[01:07] <Hobbsee> shoot
[01:07] <pirast> how can i run commands before compiling it
[01:08] <pirast> and how can i run command when cleaning?
[01:08] <pirast> hi Hobbsee :-)
[01:08] <pirast> merry christmas
[01:08] <Hobbsee> you too :)
[01:11] <Hobbsee> pirast: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml isnt too bad documentation.  usually it's done for you though
[01:11] <Hobbsee> pirast: what in particular were you wanting to do? patching?
[01:12] <pirast> Hobbsee, no..
[01:12] <pirast> In order to get configure to run cleanly, I have to run some commands in the source
[01:12] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:12] <pirast> Currently, I solve it with a patch, but when I replace the source this might not work anymore so I'd like to have a cleaner solution
[01:13] <Hobbsee> pirast: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id2452326
[01:13] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:15] <pirast> okay, thanks :-)
[01:15] <pirast> ill look at it
[01:16] <giskard> someone here uses goossip-tp-voip (the gossip branch with video supports from kikidonk)? 
[02:28] <a^2> is there any motu-science guy in here?
[02:28] <a^2> ogra: ping
[02:29] <Hobbsee> a^2: look at the date
[02:29] <a^2> Hobbsee: I don't get it sorry?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> a^2: most people are with families, etc - they're not on irc
[02:30] <a^2> Hobbsee: ahh .. ok
[02:30] <Hobbsee> and they're not at work either
[03:46] <Yagisan> (yes - over an hour of lag)
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: sorry?
[03:47] <Yagisan> Hobbsee, you made a comment over an hour ago that most people aren't here due to the date - so, why are you still here ?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: true, but it's boxing day, and the parents are asleep
[03:50] <Yagisan> Hobbsee, I'm here rolling back from a bad initramfs-tools upgrade on a server
[03:50] <Hobbsee> ouch
[03:51] <Yagisan> it wasn't fun to see it didn't reboot
[03:51] <Hobbsee> feisty?
[03:52] <Yagisan> yep
[03:52] <Yagisan> I seem to have fixed it now
[03:52] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72602 in qpsmtpd "qpsmtpd should create /var/run/qpsmtpd in init.d (/var/run/ is tmpfs)" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[04:57] <Adri2000> enyc: you just wait :)
[04:58] <Adri2000> enyc: but you didn't have to create a patch for that, you can directly modify what you want in debian/, patches are useful to modify the upstream source
[05:01] <enyc> Adri2000: sure... but... that makes easier to fix the dapper and edgy versions later?
[05:01] <enyc> Adri2000: which all have the same problem
[05:04] <Adri2000> enyc: not sure... if the dapper and edgy versions have different init scripts, your patch won't work
[05:04] <Adri2000> it's easier to patch by hand
[05:05] <enyc> Adri2000: hrrm ok well whatver
[05:05] <enyc> Adri2000: i think those versions are rather similar actually
[05:06] <enyc> Adri2000: sistpoty said i should create the dpatch actually
[05:06] <enyc> Adri2000: I didntreally know if there was a good reason for that... but I did it that was as he asked me to etc.
[05:07] <Adri2000> hmm, strange, you can wait for someone else's opinion
[05:09] <fdoving> enyc: i'm with adri on this. dpatching the debian/ dir is unneccesary. make the changes directly,and make a debdiff. You should also use your real name in the changelog entry.
[05:10] <enyc> fdoving: bah how confusing
[05:10] <fdoving> I know it can be at first.
[05:10] <fdoving> dpatching is good for everything except debian/
[05:12] <enyc> fdoving: please encourage the sponsors to formally accept or rejct this... with oa comment in the bugtracker stating the exact requirements and I will be happy to do what I can!
[05:12] <enyc> fdoving: I havent really seen anywhere propertly explaining all these processes you see...
[05:12] <enyc> fdoving: sisypoty told me many things which I have now notes and used... and reasonably understood...
[05:13] <enyc> fdoving: since I have not uploaded a debdiff before ;-)
[05:15] <enyc> Anymay I shall wait for the sponsors/whomever to write back in the bug...
[05:27] <fdoving> enyc: i propose something like this: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/enyc-qpsmtpd.debdiff - I added a 'if directory /var/run/qpsmtpd does not exist, then run mkdir -p..' and i dropped the dpatching.
[05:27] <fdoving> enyc: as you can see it's now easier to read from the .debdiff what has changed.
[05:38] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:44] <Lutin___> Lutin_
[05:44] <Lutin___> oops. sorry
[06:09] <LaserJock> good morning MOTU Land!
[06:11] <joejaxx> :)
[06:11] <LaserJock> joejaxx!
[06:11] <joejaxx> Good Morning LaserJock :)
[06:11] <LaserJock> I was starting to think people were on vacation or something
[06:12] <joejaxx> they probably are
[06:12] <joejaxx> it has not been that active in here
[06:13] <LaserJock> unexcusable 
[06:13] <LaserJock> we have merges to do ;-)
[06:13] <joejaxx> :)
[06:15] <gpocentek> hello LaserJock, joejaxx 
[06:16] <LaserJock> hi Gavain
[06:16] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock, joejaxx
[06:17] <highvoltage> heh
[06:17] <LaserJock> *Gauvain
[06:17] <highvoltage> LaserJock will make a good boss
[06:17] <LaserJock> bddebian!
[06:17] <LaserJock> highvoltage!
[06:17] <highvoltage> sorry LaserJock 
[06:17] <LaserJock> heh
[06:17] <highvoltage> I mean, LaserJock is a good boss
[06:17] <highvoltage> :)
[06:17] <LaserJock> work, lazy MOTUs, work!
[06:18] <joejaxx> Hello gpocentek  bddebian :)
[06:18] <joejaxx> LaserJock: LOL
[06:19] <LaserJock> I must be the anti-dholbach
[06:19] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I would gladly do merges tonight if I understood how they work
[06:19] <LaserJock> he hugs, I give task lists
[06:19] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:19] <highvoltage> last tine I tried I couldn't figure it out, but then again, I also had close to no bandwidth...
[06:19] <highvoltage> perhaps I should try it again
[06:20] <LaserJock> it's actually not to bad if you stop trying to "figure it out"
[06:20] <highvoltage> heh
[06:21] <LaserJock> people get stuck on figuring out all of the MoM stuff
[06:22] <LaserJock> when in relality most MOTUs don't really look at MoM output much
[06:22] <highvoltage> LaserJock: where should I get started?
[06:22] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I basically have the rest of the evening free so I might as well dive in again
[06:22] <LaserJock> k
[06:23] <LaserJock> well, head on over to merges.ubuntu.com
[06:23] <LaserJock> you might want to make a merges/ dir somewhere to work on them
[06:25] <LaserJock> and go to http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html and http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motutodo/universe.html for merge status
[06:26] <LaserJock> the later link is a daily cronjob I set up as merges.ubuntu.com isn't updates very often (and could be stopped altogether now)
[06:26] <highvoltage> ah ok
[06:27] <LaserJock> once you pick a package make sure it's not already being worked on
[06:27] <LaserJock> check launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/<packagename>/+bugs for sync or merge requests
[06:28] <highvoltage> would I want to use grab-merge.sh ?
[06:28] <LaserJock> and if the person who did it last (listed on http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html) is handy let them know you're working on it
[06:28] <LaserJock> you can if you want
[06:29] <LaserJock> it's handy to grab all the packages (Debian and Ubuntu) that you need
[06:29] <LaserJock> what I do is make ~/packaging/merges/
[06:29] <LaserJock> put grab-merge.sh in there
[06:29] <LaserJock> and then make <packagename>/ in there
[06:30] <LaserJock> cd to <packagename> and run ../grab-merge.sh <packagename>
[06:30] <LaserJock> just to keep things clean
[06:30] <highvoltage> so I'd start by choosing a package listed as outdated in ubuntu on http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motutodo/universe.html ?
[06:31] <LaserJock> "Outdated in Ubuntu" are packages that haven't been modified by Ubuntu (no ubuntuX version) but are outdated
[06:32] <LaserJock> they are sync candidates but not as high priority as the "Outdated in Ubuntu , but Ubuntu has local changes" packages
[06:33] <LaserJock> so try to pick ones from the 2nd section
[06:33] <highvoltage> ok, so I could choose something like, 'adasockets'?
[06:34] <Adri2000> yep :)
[06:34] <LaserJock> highvoltage: yes
[06:35] <Adri2000> LaserJock: do you know what dh_desktop really does? the man page says "dh_desktop is a debhelper program that registers .desktop files"...
[06:36] <joejaxx> LaserJock: is that what the first section is for?
[06:36] <highvoltage> that's a very cool script
[06:39] <LaserJock> Adri2000: yeah, it basically runs the .desktop update tool
[06:39] <LaserJock> update-desktop or something
[06:39] <Adri2000> update-desktop-database
[06:40] <LaserJock> joejaxx: is what what the first section is for?
[06:41] <Adri2000> argh, no man page for update-desktop-database. LaserJock: I have a merge with only one remaining change: dh_desktop, do you think I can request a sync?
[06:41] <joejaxx> LaserJock: the different color sections
[06:41] <joejaxx> LaserJock: for the table of packages
[06:41] <LaserJock> Adri2000: did we add a .desktop?
[06:42] <Adri2000> yes, icon and .desktop, they are now in debian
[06:43] <LaserJock> joejaxx: well, that URL lists the Universe packages that are outdated with respect to Debian. Then it is broken down into packages we've modified (2nd section) and those we haven't (1st)
[06:43] <LaserJock> Adri2000: merge it and file a bug in Debian
[06:43] <joejaxx> oh ok
[06:44] <LaserJock> joejaxx: for packages that we haven't modified they should at least have been autosynced once already
[06:47] <Adri2000> LaserJock: oops, in fact dh_desktop is also in the debian package, I didn't see it. so I will request a sync (if it builds fine of course...)
[06:49] <Adri2000> ahaha... sync already requested...
[06:51] <LaserJock> heh
[06:51] <LaserJock> it is better to look before you do all the work
[06:51] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:57] <Subhuman> is there a way to find out what version of ubuntu is running on a machine from the shell? like a "uname -a" but for the version (Edgy dapper breezy etc.)
[06:58] <Adri2000> lsb_release -a
[06:58] <Adri2000> $ lsb_release -c
[06:58] <Adri2000> Codename:       feisty
[06:59] <Subhuman> ahh awesome, i can just grep/awk that out
[06:59] <Subhuman> thanks
[06:59] <cypherbios> | cut -f 2 :)
[07:00] <LaserJock> well, I better be off. I've got to pack all our stuff up as we are driving from my inlaws to my family in a few hours
[07:01] <LaserJock> highvoltage: have fun with the merging, if you get stuck just yell for help :-)
[07:04] <Q-FUNK> would anybody happen to know of a tool to access a git tree?
[08:05] <highvoltage> hi motu's. I'm learning to do merges (see scrollback). I downloaded the packages with merge-grab.sh, what do I do next?
[08:13] <geser> highvoltage: on which package are you working?
[08:15] <highvoltage> geser: adasockets
[08:18] <geser> highvoltage: the only change seems to be gnat -> gnat-4.1
[08:18] <geser> I'd be good to know if this is still needed
[08:18] <geser> s/I'd/it
[08:18] <highvoltage> geser: where did you see that that changed?
[08:19] <geser> http://merges.ubuntu.com/a/adasockets/adasockets_1.8.4.7-4ubuntu1.patch
[08:19] <geser> is the Ubuntu patch for the current Ubuntu version
[08:20] <geser> you should have this file already downloaded with grab-merge.sh
[08:26] <highvoltage> yep, I got that file
[08:26] <highvoltage> so it's usually the .patch file I should check after downloading?
[08:27] <geser> I usually look there to see what was changed in the last version
[08:29] <geser> MoM tries to apply those changes to the new Debian version
[08:29] <geser> you have to check if it applied without problems
[08:30] <geser> - check if it is still needed (sometimes Debian takes an other approach to fix something)
[08:33] <geser> sometimes is happens that the Ubuntu patch still applies and Debian has a similar fix (perhaps only some lines higher in the file)
[08:33] <highvoltage> hmmm
[08:36] <geser> highvoltage: in case of adasockets it needs to be decided if the changes are still needed
[08:36] <highvoltage> geser: how is that decided?
[08:36] <geser> I'd say that the gnat -> gnat-4.1 isn't needed as gnat depends on gnat-4.1
[08:37] <geser> remains the change to the clean target in debian/rules
[08:38] <geser> I'd do a test-build of the unmodified package in a pbuilder
[08:38] <geser> if it builds without problems -> adasockets should probably be synced
[08:39] <geser> else fix it (you have then probably found the reason for the change to the clean target)
[08:40] <highvoltage> hmmm... I haven't built a pbuilder environement yet
[08:40] <highvoltage> perhaps I should do that
[08:40] <highvoltage> thanks for your advise geser
[08:41] <highvoltage> I have some friends over, will attack this again tomorrow :)
[08:42] <geser> highvoltage: a pbuilder is very handy when working on packages
[08:42] <ivoks> it's a must-have
[08:42] <highvoltage> I've been meaning to look at it for a while
[08:42] <highvoltage> I create lots of packages for a local project, but do it all outside of a chroot
[10:20] <ajmitch> morning
[10:20] <giskard> hello ajmitch 
[10:20] <giskard> how are you?
[10:21] <ajmitch> ok, how are you?
[10:21] <ivoks> hi ajmitch 
[10:28] <giskard> fine!
[10:30] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:32] <ajmitch> hello mr bddebian 
[11:15] <Shoragan> what is needed to trigger a pull from debian experimental?
[11:15] <Shoragan> for pida
[11:23] <tsmithe> anyone here know anything about makefiles for libraries?
[11:25] <tsmithe> anyone?
[11:25] <tsmithe> anyone know where to ask?
[11:25] <bddebian> A makefile is a makefile
[11:25] <tsmithe> yes
[11:25] <Adri2000> :)
[11:25] <tsmithe> but i know nothing about building libraries
[11:26] <tsmithe> and wanna know how
[11:26] <tsmithe> cos this library has no makefile
[11:26] <bddebian> building as in packaging or building?
[11:27] <tsmithe> building as in source->binary
[11:27] <tsmithe> of course, building is building
[11:27] <tsmithe> (always)
[11:28] <bddebian>  ./configure && make
[11:29] <tsmithe> well there's no configure
[11:29] <tsmithe> (duh! or i wouldn't be asking)
[11:29] <bddebian> Now I remember why I was ignoring you
[11:29] <tsmithe> why?
[11:29] <tsmithe> you were?
[11:29] <bddebian> Is there a configure.am or .in?
[11:29] <tsmithe> nope
[11:29] <tsmithe> just sources
[11:29] <tsmithe> (in c)
[11:29] <bddebian> Then it's a crappy "package" or is this your source?
[11:30] <tsmithe> neither
[11:30] <tsmithe> it's a load of sources that:
[11:30] <tsmithe> a) i want to use
[11:30] <tsmithe> b) i want to package
[11:30] <geser> is there a README or INSTALL?
[11:31] <tsmithe> (a) i assumed that you people were knowledgeable, and may no something about it
[11:31] <tsmithe> s/no/know/
[11:31] <tsmithe> geser, yes
[11:31] <tsmithe> but nothing helpful
[11:31] <geser> then ask the author
[11:31] <tsmithe> i did
[11:31] <tsmithe> :)
[11:31] <geser> he should know how to compile it into a library
[11:31] <tsmithe> there's a msvc project :(
[11:31] <lupine_85> ...
[11:32] <tsmithe> but
[11:32] <bddebian> Then don't use it :)
[11:32] <tsmithe> it doesn't depend on anything windowsy
[11:32] <lupine_85> does it #include mfc.h by any chance?
[11:32] <tsmithe> it doesn't depend on anything windowsy
[11:32] <lupine_85> what /does/ it do?
[11:32] <tsmithe> produces audio fingerprints
[11:32] <tsmithe> it's libfooid
[11:32] <tsmithe> from http://www.foosic.org/libfooid.php
[11:33] <ajmitch> then you're probably not going to build a shared library
[11:33] <tsmithe> oh... why?
[11:33] <ajmitch> because it requires a sane build system
[11:33] <tsmithe> sane?
[11:33] <ajmitch> which you don't have
[11:33] <ajmitch> something usable
[11:33] <tsmithe> what's "sane" mean?
[11:34] <lupine_85> erm. know insanity? The opposite of that
[11:34] <tsmithe> ok then
[11:34] <bddebian> Has a configure and makefiles
[11:34] <tsmithe> what's insane?
[11:34] <tsmithe> ah
[11:34] <lupine_85> but anyway, writing a build system for a package you haven't made is... difficult
[11:34] <tsmithe> that's what i assumed
[11:34] <lupine_85> s/a package/sources/
[11:34] <tsmithe> yes
[11:36] <tsmithe> thing is, this guy ( http://blog.paulbetts.org/index.php/2006/10/16/fancy-new-program-gst-music-hash/ ) wrote a linux app using it
[11:36] <tsmithe> i may ask him for his makefile
[11:36] <tsmithe> though i still wonder how he did it
[11:36] <tsmithe> short of asking the foosic people for one
[11:36] <bddebian> Does he include the foosic source in his package?
[11:39] <tsmithe> err. i don't think so, but i'll look again
[11:39] <tsmithe> ooohh yes - i missed it last time
[11:39] <tsmithe> thanks :)
[11:39] <tsmithe> i'll look at his Makefile
[11:40] <tsmithe> and bddebian; why /were/ you ignoring me?
[11:40] <ajmitch> bundling source is not really a Good Thing
[11:40] <tsmithe> ajmitch, i agree
[11:45] <bddebian> tsmithe: I don't remember now
[11:45] <tsmithe> :P
[11:46] <tsmithe> you said you remembered!
[11:46] <tsmithe> oh bah - he builds it as a static library
[11:47] <Adri2000> tsmithe: you live in England?
[11:47] <tsmithe> yes
[11:47] <ajmitch> tsmithe: I'd expect that
[11:48] <tsmithe> ajmitch, i did too - but one can hope
[11:48] <Adri2000> tsmithe: so I guess you're a native speaker, why were you asking what "(in)sane" means?
[11:48] <tsmithe> Adri2000, i meant in the sense of build systems
[11:49] <Adri2000> ok
[11:49] <tsmithe> :)
[11:54] <tsmithe> now i'll have to wait
[12:01] <imbrandon> moins 
[12:01] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[12:02] <imbrandon> heya bddebian 
[12:02] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon 
[12:04] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[12:04] <imbrandon> hrm
[12:04] <imbrandon> its crap to find things in beryl setting manager
[12:04] <imbrandon> thought i would try it again now that i have a system where its useable
[12:04] <imbrandon> but i can never find the options i want to change
[12:04] <imbrandon> like what it does when you minise a window
[12:04] <imbrandon> heh
[12:07] <imbrandon> so whats new yall
[12:09] <lupine_85> imbrandon: beryl 0.1.4 :p and you're after the Animations plugin
[12:10] <imbrandon> i have 0.1.4 installed :)
[12:10] <imbrandon> just got done building it
[12:10] <imbrandon> heh
[12:10] <lupine_85> mm, me too pretty much
[12:10] <lupine_85> 4 combinations of around 10 packages :s
[12:11] <lupine_85> btw, do you know if there are any plans to ship an updated xserver-xgl in feisty?
[12:11] <imbrandon> no idea
[12:11] <lupine_85> ok, np
[12:12] <imbrandon> tbh i'm not even sure who is maintaining X now a days
[12:13] <Fujitsu> rodarvus is, isn't he?
[12:13] <imbrandon> probably
[12:13] <imbrandon> heya Fujitsu 
[12:13] <Fujitsu> Hi imbrandon.