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I`m Trien to Figure out how to Show what Firmware i have for my wireless card that is built in to my laptop. Is there a Command? or a Place i can go to find such a thing? [04:45] Bluewolf: try #ubuntu - lspci will tell you the chipset of your wifi card [04:46] I dont need the chipset, i know what it is. I`m Trien to find what firmware runs on it. and i already used that command. [04:47] but thx you for pointin me into ubunto [04:47] peace === Bluewolf [n=BlackEar@75.128.253.225] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Parked] [05:08] !packagingguide [05:08] The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources === rpereira [n=rpereira@20158160181.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:19] Is there a REVU admin here? [05:20] imbrandon: siretart are [05:20] well, might be [05:20] siretart: can you re-sync my uploader key ring? [05:24] he may not actually be here [05:26] does anyone know of a very small application without a whole lot of dependencies that is not already in ubuntu-minimal or ubuntu-standard? === joejaxx [i=jadaz87@ubuntu/member/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:29] You're right Hobbseee [05:29] Is there a REVU admin here? [05:29] did anyone say anything while i was gone? [05:29] joejaxx: no. [05:30] rpereira: if neither of those responded, i'd say not [05:30] oh ok [05:33] Hobbsee: Yeap.... You right.... === tudenbart [n=willi@xdsl-213-196-243-61.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-028-116.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tudenbart is now known as dothebart === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck- [n=duck@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-059-025.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Shoragan [n=shoragan@datenfreihafen.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar === Zic_ [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-152-201.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@81.10.9.182] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:14] anyone knows what happened to packages.freecontrib.org ? [09:20] AnAnt: are you looking for the PLF repository? [09:21] yup [09:22] Adri2000: yes [09:22] AnAnt: PLF is now called Medibuntu: https://launchpad.net/products/medibuntu [09:22] thanks [09:24] *way* cool [09:24] a guy's reporting breakage, and he's using repos for *three* releases [09:27] Hahaha, nice. [09:27] Where? [09:28] feisty sectoin of the forums [09:28] Ooh. === Fujitsu looks. [09:28] the one about kdebase....*.deb [09:28] anyone using Feisty ? [09:28] is there a problem with the 2.6.20 kernel ? [09:28] also a fair few posts about the devs being lazy, and bugs not being fixed [09:28] for some people, yes [09:28] AnAnt, what type of problem? [09:28] Hobbsee, nice! [09:28] AnAnt: i'd imagine there are many. [09:28] Fujitsu: uh, yeah :P [09:28] well, I can't boot ! [09:29] AnAnt: any *particular* one you had in mind? === Fujitsu fixes some bugs, by DDoSing the fora. === Adri2000 just dist-upgraded to feisty [09:29] $ uname -r [09:29] 2.6.20-2-generic [09:29] Sysinfo for 'sarah': Linux 2.6.20-2-generic running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: GenuineIntel(R)CPUT2250@1.73GHz at 800 MHz (3458 bogomips), , RAM: 582/1510MB, 134 proc's, 1.10h up [09:29] right === guibis [n=guibis@byh162.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:29] Adri2000: did you get all the updates before you rebooted? [09:30] ok [09:30] Hobbsee: yeah [09:30] will try again then [09:30] Hobbsee: you were asking AnAnt? :) [09:30] it works fine for me :) [09:31] Adri2000: sorry, yes [09:32] AnAnt: chroot in, run update-initramfs -u [09:32] see if that fixes it [09:32] k === AnAnt [n=anant@81.10.9.182] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [09:38] hi there === Hobbsee waves === aleka [n=Habeshaw@c-71-63-52-144.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@33-221.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:32] Hobbsee: arounds? [10:32] hi freeflying [10:33] Sp4rKy: hey [10:33] how are you ? [10:33] Sp4rKy: fine, thanks :) [10:34] :) [10:36] StevenK: ping [10:42] freeflying? [10:44] StevenK: how about the updates in dapper universe now? === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:44] StevenK: two packages version mismatach in dapper, they belongs to on source package [10:44] s/on/one [10:47] StevenK: they are m17n-db and libm17n-0 === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-060.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gpocentek [n=gauvain@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@vc-196-207-32-235.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:07] freeflying: They do not. m17n-db comes from m17n-db, and libm17n-0 comes from m17n-lib [11:08] m17n-db got updated to 1.3.1 during dapper, and m17n-lib didn't. === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp128-80.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:10] StevenK: but they shall match, or scim-m17n can not use them [11:10] twinkle fails to build because of build deps on libzrtpcpp-dev, which is not in Ubuntu but is in debian stable/unstable [11:11] StevenK: I will talk with you later, thanks === kallewoof [n=zwoc@sundbyberg4.29.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:12] neutrinomass: It does not exist in Debian stable [11:12] StevenK: sorry, that should have been testing/unstable [11:13] It just needs to be synced across. [11:14] (new packages are not synced automatically right?) so I request a sync and subscribe ubuntu-archive ? [11:16] I'm not sure if that's what needs to happen for new packages. [11:18] hi === StevenK waves to ajmitch. [11:19] ajmitch: Merry Christmas, etc, etc [11:19] libzrtpcpp-dev just needs to actually build [11:19] yeah, same to you :) [11:20] libzrtpcpp wants libccrtp [11:20] which should be available [11:20] It wasn't when it was tried to build. [11:20] So libzrtpcpp just needs to be handed back. [11:21] ajmitch: you moving to russia soon? zrtpcpp sounds like some russian gov agency [11:21] no, but a russian does live here [11:22] libccrtp-dev: Depends: libccrtp1-1.5-0 (= 1.5.0-2) but it is not going to be installed [11:22] we have 1.5.0-2build1 === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@133.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:22] stupid exact build-deps for separate source packages === ajmitch is happy that the little samsung music player he got for christmas supports ogg with no issues [11:24] yay :) [11:25] especially as all the music I have is in ogg vorbis format [11:25] hello Hobbsee [11:26] hey ajmitch [11:26] q. i need a directory which is wiped out on boot, exactly like /var/run, but writable by any user, any suggestion on the one i should use ? === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-87-75.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:26] StevenK: FYI - it is the same for new package syncs as updated package syncs [11:27] zorglu_: /tmp is probably cleared on boot on a new install === ajmitch can't recall if it is on this box [11:28] ajmitch: cool so /tmp is an option, but /tmp to store pid file is 'soso' :) is there another alternative ? [11:28] Hobbsee: nearly all the phpapi is fixed now (geser fixed the rest :) ), thanks ! [11:28] neutrinomass: yay! :) [11:28] zorglu_: I doubt it === Lutin_ [n=ubuntu@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:29] ajmitch: ok so it will be /tmp, thanks :) === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alleeHol [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-078.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:58] q. is there a document, from ubuntu or freedesktop, on what directory should contain what ? [11:59] like what is in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin, this kind of stuff === jinty [n=jinty@vc-196-207-32-235.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:04] that'd be the linux standard base [12:04] they've got a website $out_there [12:04] ok thanks, googling :) [12:08] http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ <- seems to be the one :) [12:08] neutrinomass: filing unmet deps bugs again, i see :P === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin_ [n=ubuntu@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:21] Hobbsee: Yeah, recently I discovered edos-debcheck : [12:21] :p === redguy [n=mati@unaffiliated/redguy] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] neutrinomass: nice :) i did tmview === coyctecm [n=niko@a84-231-77-150.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:25] moin all === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp128-80.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === geser [n=michael@dialin105011.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alleeHol [n=ach@dialin-212-144-132-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pirast [n=martin@p508B21C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] hi, i have two questions regarding cdbs: [01:07] shoot [01:07] how can i run commands before compiling it [01:08] and how can i run command when cleaning? [01:08] hi Hobbsee :-) [01:08] merry christmas [01:08] you too :) [01:11] pirast: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml isnt too bad documentation. usually it's done for you though [01:11] pirast: what in particular were you wanting to do? patching? [01:12] Hobbsee, no.. [01:12] In order to get configure to run cleanly, I have to run some commands in the source [01:12] ah [01:12] Currently, I solve it with a patch, but when I replace the source this might not work anymore so I'd like to have a cleaner solution [01:13] pirast: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id2452326 [01:13] ah [01:15] okay, thanks :-) [01:15] ill look at it [01:16] someone here uses goossip-tp-voip (the gossip branch with video supports from kikidonk)? === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.226.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubuntu_demon [n=ubuntu_d@ubuntu/member/ubuntudemon/-x-12083] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubuntu_demon [n=ubuntu_d@ubuntu/member/ubuntudemon/-x-12083] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Hobbsee_ [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Robbi [n=Robbi38@e178069151.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Robbi [n=Robbi38@e178069151.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nolimitsoya [n=nolimits@176.139.216.81.static.vhe.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [n=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === a^2 [n=john@ip-136-44.sn3.eutelia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] is there any motu-science guy in here? [02:28] ogra: ping [02:29] a^2: look at the date [02:29] Hobbsee: I don't get it sorry? [02:29] a^2: most people are with families, etc - they're not on irc [02:30] Hobbsee: ahh .. ok [02:30] and they're not at work either === PriceChild [n=PriceChi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chrisj [n=tortoise@81-86-52-52.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=greatwhi@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kallewoof [n=zwoc@sundbyberg4.29.cust.blixtvik.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan wonders what Hobbsee is doing here then ... [03:46] (yes - over an hour of lag) [03:46] Yagisan: sorry? [03:47] Hobbsee, you made a comment over an hour ago that most people aren't here due to the date - so, why are you still here ? [03:48] Yagisan: true, but it's boxing day, and the parents are asleep === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] Hobbsee, I'm here rolling back from a bad initramfs-tools upgrade on a server [03:50] ouch [03:51] it wasn't fun to see it didn't reboot === Lutin_ [n=ubuntu@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:51] feisty? === jinty [n=jinty@vc-196-207-32-235.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:52] yep [03:52] I seem to have fixed it now [03:52] :) === Ppjet6 [n=ppjet6@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-130-254.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === truz_`24 [n=truz_`24@74-129-166-232.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@bas1-toronto01-1177662078.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === enyc meepso === enyc wonders about processing of his bugreport new with patch... https://launchpad.net/bugs/72602 wonder what happen next........... [04:56] Malone bug 72602 in qpsmtpd "qpsmtpd should create /var/run/qpsmtpd in init.d (/var/run/ is tmpfs)" [Medium,Confirmed] === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:57] enyc: you just wait :) === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:58] enyc: but you didn't have to create a patch for that, you can directly modify what you want in debian/, patches are useful to modify the upstream source === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:01] Adri2000: sure... but... that makes easier to fix the dapper and edgy versions later? [05:01] Adri2000: which all have the same problem [05:04] enyc: not sure... if the dapper and edgy versions have different init scripts, your patch won't work [05:04] it's easier to patch by hand [05:05] Adri2000: hrrm ok well whatver [05:05] Adri2000: i think those versions are rather similar actually [05:06] Adri2000: sistpoty said i should create the dpatch actually [05:06] Adri2000: I didntreally know if there was a good reason for that... but I did it that was as he asked me to etc. [05:07] hmm, strange, you can wait for someone else's opinion === agent [n=agent@pool-71-120-187-51.aubnin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [05:09] enyc: i'm with adri on this. dpatching the debian/ dir is unneccesary. make the changes directly,and make a debdiff. You should also use your real name in the changelog entry. [05:10] fdoving: bah how confusing [05:10] I know it can be at first. [05:10] dpatching is good for everything except debian/ [05:12] fdoving: please encourage the sponsors to formally accept or rejct this... with oa comment in the bugtracker stating the exact requirements and I will be happy to do what I can! [05:12] fdoving: I havent really seen anywhere propertly explaining all these processes you see... [05:12] fdoving: sisypoty told me many things which I have now notes and used... and reasonably understood... [05:13] fdoving: since I have not uploaded a debdiff before ;-) === dlainhart [n=dylan@cpe-66-24-238-139.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:15] Anymay I shall wait for the sponsors/whomever to write back in the bug... === herzi [n=herzi@pD9E29B48.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:27] enyc: i propose something like this: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/enyc-qpsmtpd.debdiff - I added a 'if directory /var/run/qpsmtpd does not exist, then run mkdir -p..' and i dropped the dpatching. === Lutin__ [n=ubuntu@lns-bzn-59-82-252-169-247.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:27] enyc: as you can see it's now easier to read from the .debdiff what has changed. === Lutin__ [n=ubuntu@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin__ is now known as Lutin_ === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin__ [n=ubuntu@lns-bzn-59-82-252-169-247.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:38] Heya gang === Lutin___ [n=ubuntu@lns-bzn-59-82-252-169-247.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin___ [n=ubuntu@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:44] Lutin_ [05:44] oops. sorry === Lutin___ is now known as Lutin_ === UbuntuSt1ts [n=StatsBot@213.13.240.171] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@pD9E29B48.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:09] good morning MOTU Land! [06:11] :) [06:11] joejaxx! [06:11] Good Morning LaserJock :) [06:11] I was starting to think people were on vacation or something [06:12] they probably are [06:12] it has not been that active in here [06:13] unexcusable [06:13] we have merges to do ;-) [06:13] :) [06:15] hello LaserJock, joejaxx [06:16] hi Gavain [06:16] Heya LaserJock, joejaxx [06:17] heh [06:17] *Gauvain [06:17] LaserJock will make a good boss [06:17] bddebian! [06:17] highvoltage! [06:17] sorry LaserJock [06:17] heh [06:17] I mean, LaserJock is a good boss === LaserJock cracks the whip [06:17] :) [06:17] work, lazy MOTUs, work! [06:18] Hello gpocentek bddebian :) [06:18] LaserJock: LOL [06:19] I must be the anti-dholbach [06:19] LaserJock: I would gladly do merges tonight if I understood how they work [06:19] he hugs, I give task lists [06:19] :-) [06:19] last tine I tried I couldn't figure it out, but then again, I also had close to no bandwidth... [06:19] perhaps I should try it again [06:20] it's actually not to bad if you stop trying to "figure it out" [06:20] heh [06:21] people get stuck on figuring out all of the MoM stuff [06:22] when in relality most MOTUs don't really look at MoM output much === ademan [n=dan@h-68-164-187-134.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:22] LaserJock: where should I get started? [06:22] LaserJock: I basically have the rest of the evening free so I might as well dive in again [06:22] k [06:23] well, head on over to merges.ubuntu.com [06:23] you might want to make a merges/ dir somewhere to work on them [06:25] and go to http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html and http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motutodo/universe.html for merge status [06:26] the later link is a daily cronjob I set up as merges.ubuntu.com isn't updates very often (and could be stopped altogether now) [06:26] ah ok [06:27] once you pick a package make sure it's not already being worked on [06:27] check launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source//+bugs for sync or merge requests [06:28] would I want to use grab-merge.sh ? [06:28] and if the person who did it last (listed on http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html) is handy let them know you're working on it [06:28] you can if you want [06:29] it's handy to grab all the packages (Debian and Ubuntu) that you need [06:29] what I do is make ~/packaging/merges/ [06:29] put grab-merge.sh in there [06:29] and then make / in there [06:30] cd to and run ../grab-merge.sh [06:30] just to keep things clean [06:30] so I'd start by choosing a package listed as outdated in ubuntu on http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motutodo/universe.html ? === jinty [n=jinty@vc-196-207-32-235.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:31] "Outdated in Ubuntu" are packages that haven't been modified by Ubuntu (no ubuntuX version) but are outdated [06:32] they are sync candidates but not as high priority as the "Outdated in Ubuntu , but Ubuntu has local changes" packages [06:33] so try to pick ones from the 2nd section [06:33] ok, so I could choose something like, 'adasockets'? [06:34] yep :) [06:34] highvoltage: yes [06:35] LaserJock: do you know what dh_desktop really does? the man page says "dh_desktop is a debhelper program that registers .desktop files"... [06:36] LaserJock: is that what the first section is for? [06:36] that's a very cool script === FunnyHat [n=david@c-67-175-74-85.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:39] Adri2000: yeah, it basically runs the .desktop update tool [06:39] update-desktop or something [06:39] update-desktop-database [06:40] joejaxx: is what what the first section is for? [06:41] argh, no man page for update-desktop-database. LaserJock: I have a merge with only one remaining change: dh_desktop, do you think I can request a sync? [06:41] LaserJock: the different color sections [06:41] LaserJock: for the table of packages [06:41] Adri2000: did we add a .desktop? [06:42] yes, icon and .desktop, they are now in debian [06:43] joejaxx: well, that URL lists the Universe packages that are outdated with respect to Debian. Then it is broken down into packages we've modified (2nd section) and those we haven't (1st) [06:43] Adri2000: merge it and file a bug in Debian [06:43] oh ok [06:44] joejaxx: for packages that we haven't modified they should at least have been autosynced once already [06:47] LaserJock: oops, in fact dh_desktop is also in the debian package, I didn't see it. so I will request a sync (if it builds fine of course...) === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:49] ahaha... sync already requested... [06:51] heh [06:51] it is better to look before you do all the work [06:51] ;-) [06:57] is there a way to find out what version of ubuntu is running on a machine from the shell? like a "uname -a" but for the version (Edgy dapper breezy etc.) === ivoks [n=ivoks@33-221.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:58] lsb_release -a [06:58] $ lsb_release -c [06:58] Codename: feisty [06:59] ahh awesome, i can just grep/awk that out [06:59] thanks [06:59] | cut -f 2 :) [07:00] well, I better be off. I've got to pack all our stuff up as we are driving from my inlaws to my family in a few hours [07:01] highvoltage: have fun with the merging, if you get stuck just yell for help :-) === effie_jayx pone cirque du solei - LOVE y inicia frozen-bubble--no-sound === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:04] would anybody happen to know of a tool to access a git tree? === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser_ [n=michael@dialin105011.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:05] hi motu's. I'm learning to do merges (see scrollback). I downloaded the packages with merge-grab.sh, what do I do next? === ivoks [n=ivoks@33-221.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:13] highvoltage: on which package are you working? [08:15] geser: adasockets === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:18] highvoltage: the only change seems to be gnat -> gnat-4.1 [08:18] I'd be good to know if this is still needed [08:18] s/I'd/it [08:18] geser: where did you see that that changed? [08:19] http://merges.ubuntu.com/a/adasockets/adasockets_1.8.4.7-4ubuntu1.patch [08:19] is the Ubuntu patch for the current Ubuntu version [08:20] you should have this file already downloaded with grab-merge.sh === Adri2000_ [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bronson_ [n=bronson@pool-71-116-237-101.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:26] yep, I got that file [08:26] so it's usually the .patch file I should check after downloading? === martin_ [n=martin@p508B1591.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:27] I usually look there to see what was changed in the last version === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:29] MoM tries to apply those changes to the new Debian version [08:29] you have to check if it applied without problems [08:30] - check if it is still needed (sometimes Debian takes an other approach to fix something) === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:33] sometimes is happens that the Ubuntu patch still applies and Debian has a similar fix (perhaps only some lines higher in the file) === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:33] hmmm === cormil__ [n=cormil@d83-184-110-211.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === archie [n=archie@210.1.83.24] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:36] highvoltage: in case of adasockets it needs to be decided if the changes are still needed [08:36] geser: how is that decided? [08:36] I'd say that the gnat -> gnat-4.1 isn't needed as gnat depends on gnat-4.1 === archie [n=archie@210.1.83.24] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [08:37] remains the change to the clean target in debian/rules [08:38] I'd do a test-build of the unmodified package in a pbuilder [08:38] if it builds without problems -> adasockets should probably be synced [08:39] else fix it (you have then probably found the reason for the change to the clean target) [08:40] hmmm... I haven't built a pbuilder environement yet [08:40] perhaps I should do that [08:40] thanks for your advise geser [08:41] I have some friends over, will attack this again tomorrow :) [08:42] highvoltage: a pbuilder is very handy when working on packages [08:42] it's a must-have [08:42] I've been meaning to look at it for a while [08:42] I create lots of packages for a local project, but do it all outside of a chroot === highvoltage will look at pbuilder tomorrow too === martin__ [n=martin@p508B2F17.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mrpouit [n=mrpouit@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-214-84.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mrpouit [n=mrpouit@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-214-84.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@81.56.214.84] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-214-84.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-214-84.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@33-221.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === martin_ [n=martin@p508B2145.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ademan [n=dan@h-68-164-187-134.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tenshu [n=tenshu@sgc91-1-82-231-155-79.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-148-159.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ian__ [n=archie@210.1.95.39] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ian__ [n=archie@210.1.95.39] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:20] morning [10:20] hello ajmitch [10:20] how are you? === cormil__ [n=cormil@d83-184-110-211.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:21] ok, how are you? [10:21] hi ajmitch [10:28] fine! [10:30] Heya ajmitch [10:32] hello mr bddebian === Lutin__ [n=ubuntu@lns-bzn-59-82-252-169-247.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin__ is now known as Lutin_ === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ademan [n=dan@h-68-164-187-134.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mwolson [i=mwolson@pool-71-115-65-244.sbndin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nolimitsoya [n=nolimits@176.139.216.81.static.vhe.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === talkingwires [n=ben@adsl-146-151-202.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lupine_84 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121g89.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@196.207.32.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:15] what is needed to trigger a pull from debian experimental? [11:15] for pida === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CicalaMvta [n=CicalaMv@chello080109002146.13.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:23] anyone here know anything about makefiles for libraries? [11:25] anyone? [11:25] anyone know where to ask? [11:25] A makefile is a makefile [11:25] yes [11:25] :) [11:25] but i know nothing about building libraries [11:26] and wanna know how === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-219-183.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:26] cos this library has no makefile [11:26] building as in packaging or building? [11:27] building as in source->binary [11:27] of course, building is building [11:27] (always) [11:28] ./configure && make [11:29] well there's no configure [11:29] (duh! or i wouldn't be asking) [11:29] Now I remember why I was ignoring you [11:29] why? [11:29] you were? [11:29] Is there a configure.am or .in? [11:29] nope [11:29] just sources [11:29] (in c) [11:29] Then it's a crappy "package" or is this your source? [11:30] neither [11:30] it's a load of sources that: [11:30] a) i want to use [11:30] b) i want to package [11:30] is there a README or INSTALL? [11:31] (a) i assumed that you people were knowledgeable, and may no something about it [11:31] s/no/know/ [11:31] geser, yes [11:31] but nothing helpful [11:31] then ask the author [11:31] i did [11:31] :) [11:31] he should know how to compile it into a library [11:31] there's a msvc project :( [11:31] ... [11:32] but [11:32] Then don't use it :) [11:32] it doesn't depend on anything windowsy [11:32] does it #include mfc.h by any chance? [11:32] it doesn't depend on anything windowsy [11:32] what /does/ it do? [11:32] produces audio fingerprints [11:32] it's libfooid [11:32] from http://www.foosic.org/libfooid.php [11:33] then you're probably not going to build a shared library [11:33] oh... why? [11:33] because it requires a sane build system [11:33] sane? [11:33] which you don't have [11:33] something usable [11:33] what's "sane" mean? [11:34] erm. know insanity? The opposite of that [11:34] ok then [11:34] Has a configure and makefiles [11:34] what's insane? [11:34] ah [11:34] but anyway, writing a build system for a package you haven't made is... difficult [11:34] that's what i assumed [11:34] s/a package/sources/ [11:34] yes [11:36] thing is, this guy ( http://blog.paulbetts.org/index.php/2006/10/16/fancy-new-program-gst-music-hash/ ) wrote a linux app using it [11:36] i may ask him for his makefile [11:36] though i still wonder how he did it [11:36] short of asking the foosic people for one [11:36] Does he include the foosic source in his package? [11:39] err. i don't think so, but i'll look again [11:39] ooohh yes - i missed it last time [11:39] thanks :) [11:39] i'll look at his Makefile [11:40] and bddebian; why /were/ you ignoring me? [11:40] bundling source is not really a Good Thing [11:40] ajmitch, i agree === _Enchained [n=cyrille@88.166.169.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:45] tsmithe: I don't remember now [11:45] :P [11:46] you said you remembered! === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:46] oh bah - he builds it as a static library === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:47] tsmithe: you live in England? [11:47] yes [11:47] tsmithe: I'd expect that [11:48]