[02:02] <imbrandon> fdoving, any packages for melody yet?
[02:03] <imbrandon> brb
[03:44] <praetor> hi, on the kubuntu wiki it says you are looking for programmers to write utilities, but gives no specifics. I'm interested in helping out if anyone can point me in the right direction
[03:44] <Hobbsee> hey praetor
[03:45] <praetor> hehe its 1.15pm over here ;)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> you're in adelaide then.
[03:46] <praetor> yup. yourself?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> sydney
[03:46] <praetor> nod. i'm moving to Perth for work on the 9th though, so not in Adelaide much longer
[03:46] <Hobbsee> what sort of stuff do you code?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure which is worse, out of them :P
[03:47] <praetor> i just graduated with honours in pure math & comp sci, so I mostly do C/C++ or Java stuff
[03:47] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[03:47] <Hobbsee> fortunately, kde's mostly in C__
[03:47] <Hobbsee> * C++
[03:48] <praetor> yea, i taught myself gtk+ and qt over the holidays and I liked qt much more, so here I am
[03:48] <Hobbsee> nice!  :)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> well, there's upstream kde stuff, porting ubiquity to KDE4 iirc, some work going on in system settings, a GUI for grub config...
[03:49] <Hobbsee> oh, a qt update manager would *rock*
[03:49] <praetor> qt update manager? as in adept?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> you know the gnome one?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> not synaptic - the dist-upgrader part
[03:50] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/people/jr/+specs
[03:51] <Hobbsee> praetor: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpdateManager is the spec for the dist-upgrader
[03:53] <Hobbsee> praetor: pick a spec off that list - something that looks interesting, check if someone's working on it, go for it.  or fix bugs
[03:53] <Hobbsee> or all of the above :P
[03:54] <praetor> i am browsing through now, cheers
[03:54] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> kde bug 96020
[04:11] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 96020 in general "HTML Allows Spoofing of Emails Content" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96020
[04:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: poke
[04:27] <imbrandon> ouch
[04:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: password to the ssh, and what would be your opinion of running a bzr repo for the big kde packages, so we can fix little bugs without finding an upload each time
[04:27] <Hobbsee> s/upload/uploader/
[04:28] <imbrandon> sounds good to me , i'll set one up here in a few minutes
[04:28] <imbrandon> unless you mean on LP or something
[04:29] <Hobbsee> well, i was, but wherever works, as long as there are instructions on how to use it
[04:29] <imbrandon> and the ssh passwd's i still need to setup hehe give me a few minutes
[04:29] <Hobbsee> awww, i'd like to use your machine to start patching things, instead of steve's, so you cna just upload it from there
[04:29] <imbrandon> lp would be cool, then we could use the superserver
[04:29] <Hobbsee> indeed
[04:29] <imbrandon> like with the kubuntu-default-settings
[04:30] <imbrandon> really we could use the same repo , just make another branch
[04:30] <imbrandon> might make sure its cool with Riddell  but sounds great to me
[04:31] <Hobbsee> i mean, i'm not going to fix *everything* - but i'd prefer to be able to fix little bugs, adn commit little patches.  to find an uploader for just one patch kinda sucks, and discourages people from trying
[04:31] <imbrandon> right right
[04:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: will do, when he wakes up again.  it's deletable, istn it?
[04:31] <imbrandon> no
[04:31] <imbrandon> branches on lp cant be deleted
[04:32] <imbrandon> they can be reverted but not deleted
[04:32] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:32] <imbrandon> but yea that makes sense , plus it gives something you can point to when going for main ( you == anyone that commits )
[04:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:32] <Hobbsee> what makes you think i'll go for main again?
[04:33] <imbrandon> why wouldent you ? hehe i dident say tomarrow, but i figured you eventualy would :)
[04:33] <Hobbsee> dunno.  do i need to?
[04:33] <imbrandon> dunno i've been out of the loop the last weeks as far as interaction
[04:33] <imbrandon> heh thats your call, i think you could do it yes, as far as "needing to" thats all you
[04:34] <imbrandon> :)
[04:34] <imbrandon> specialy if you start with the kdepim heheh
[04:34] <imbrandon> there is tons to fix there
[04:34] <Hobbsee> yeah, exactly
[04:35] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: any idea why kdepim wouldnt have Depends: shlib deps?
[05:02] <imbrandon> hrm , no
[05:03] <imbrandon> unless it was picking something up wrong
[05:03] <imbrandon> but i dont rember anything about it
[05:03] <Hobbsee> right
[05:03] <Hobbsee> looks like we need a MIR too
[05:03] <imbrandon> for?
[05:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: pinentry-qt
[05:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html
[05:10] <imbrandon> ahh
[05:12] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i'll add the other stuff first thoguh :P
[05:12] <Hobbsee> maybe this will be a bigger update
[05:12] <imbrandon> :)
[05:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: argh...kdepim is so buggy!
[05:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: file https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/60153 upstream please
[05:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60153 in kdepim "kmail crash when selecting messages " [Medium,Confirmed] 
[05:46] <Hobbsee> or nixternal
[05:47] <Hobbsee> make sure it's marked as IMAP only
[05:50] <Hobbsee> praetor: i'll give you a virtual cookie if you fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/75652 :P
[05:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75652 in kdepim "Kontact starts component not selected" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[05:55] <nixternal> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126715
[05:55] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 126715 in general "Crash after fresh startup and selecting mail" [Crash,Reopened] 
[05:55] <nixternal> is that the same?
[05:55] <Hobbsee> nixternal: is which the same?
[05:55] <nixternal> upstream for imap issue
[05:56] <nixternal> same traces, different addresses
[05:56] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, right
[05:56] <Hobbsee> the traces are the same?  quite possibly
[05:56] <nixternal> very close
[05:57] <nixternal> one line off in .cpp locals
[05:57] <Hobbsee> could well be
[05:58] <nixternal> i will respond with imbrandon's trace and then link to it
[05:58] <Hobbsee> on b.k.o?  cool, thanks :)
[05:59] <nixternal> no prob
[05:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: can you upload http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/kdepim.debdiff please?
[05:59] <Hobbsee> oh wait, forgot to build it
[05:59] <imbrandon> i'll test build
[05:59] <imbrandon> no biggie
[05:59] <Hobbsee> okay
[05:59] <Hobbsee> it should be OK - it's mostly dependancy fixes, etc
[06:00] <imbrandon> kk
[06:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nixternal oh, http://podcasts.fox.com.au/audio/20061116_ha_ind_tsunami.mp3 if anyone wants a laugh at some point
[06:01] <imbrandon> http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/official-renderings-of-ipod-inspired-building
[06:01] <Hobbsee> nice!
[06:03] <Hobbsee> (podcast link above was off the radio)
[06:04] <nixternal> im listening to it
[06:04] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:04] <nixternal> he said i fell in the bathtub and made a wave that high
[06:04] <nixternal> errr
[06:04] <nixternal> s/i/he/
[06:04] <Hobbsee> it gets better :)
[06:04] <nixternal> lol, 40cm high wave
[06:05] <nixternal> gahahaha
[06:07] <nixternal> hehe, that was good
[06:07] <nixternal> i love the bbc parody
[06:08] <Hobbsee> yeah :D
[06:08] <Hobbsee> "with every school, hospital and shops under 40cm completely destroyed..."
[06:08] <nixternal> [+  nalioth]  i kept hearing voices coming from my case
[06:08] <nixternal> LOL!
[06:09] <Hobbsee> haha, yeah
[10:47] <fdoving> imbrandon: there are packages at sourceforge.net, i belive the goal is to first have it included in debian, then sync it to ubuntu. http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=180472&package_id=208874
[10:57] <fdoving> imbrandon: the debian dir is kept in svn at svn.debian.org -> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/mailody/?rev=0&sc=0
[12:26] <Riddell> mhb: about?
[12:28] <mhb> Riddell: sorry
[12:29] <mhb> Riddell: I've been away for a few days ... visiting relatives
[12:30] <mhb> Riddell: send you the link in a minute
[01:59] <Enola_Gay> hi all
[02:00] <Hobbsee> heya Enola_Gay
[02:01] <Enola_Gay> Could please someone fix kget. It nearly crashes everytime I pause a file. And very often if I delay a file. I am using edgy.
[02:01] <Enola_Gay> hi Hobbsee
[02:01] <Enola_Gay> Can anynone confirm this at least?
[02:01] <Enola_Gay> I haven't found a bug report so it is very weird since it crashes so often.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> do you get a backtrace?
[02:03] <Enola_Gay> Hobbsee: Doesn't I need a debug version for backtraces?
[02:03] <Jucato> gdb
[02:03] <Enola_Gay> no debug symbols found
[02:03] <Hobbsee> gdb tends to be enough.  kcrashhandler will usually give you a backtrace.  debug versions help, of course
[02:03] <Enola_Gay> is the message
[02:03] <Enola_Gay> gdb is installed
[02:03] <Hobbsee> then keep going down
[02:04] <Enola_Gay> This backtrace appears to be of no use.
[02:04] <Enola_Gay> This is probably because your packages are built in a way which prevents creation of proper backtraces, or the stack frame was seriously corrupted in the crash.
[02:07] <Jucato> can you give any exact steps/procedures to reproduce this? or simply pausing a download crashes kget?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> Enola_Gay: install kdenetwork-dbg then rerun it
[02:08] <toma> several crashes are reported upstream for kget
[02:09] <Jucato> hm... weird... kget hasn't crashed on me yet... kget 0.8.5...
[02:13] <Enola_Gay> Jucato: Please start some downloads and pause them if they are running
[02:14] <Jucato> ok let me look for some
[02:14] <Enola_Gay> Hobbsee: thanks, I am going to try it
[02:14] <Enola_Gay> Jucato: I am using Edgy.
[02:14] <Enola_Gay> brb
[02:14] <Jucato> ditto
[02:15] <Jucato> kget 0.8.5 on KDE 3.5.5 on Edgy
[02:17] <Jucato> hm.. no crash here...
[02:38] <Jucato> he was here about 2 hours ago, I think
[02:38] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:38] <Hobbsee> that'd be right.  him around, while i'm at work
[02:39] <Jucato> oh
[02:46] <pinheiro> hi people
[02:46] <pinheiro> making a newyers wallpaper
[02:46] <pinheiro> need some feedback
[02:46] <Hobbsee> hey pinheiro!
[02:46] <pinheiro> hi Hobbsee
[02:47] <Jucato> hi pinheiro :)
[02:51] <pinheiro> http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rect2008yk4.png
[02:53] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:56] <Jucato> ooh nice
[02:57] <pinheiro> all that can be made with just one gradient :P
[02:57] <pinheiro> well 2
[03:06] <Enola_Gay> Hobbsee: still same problem even with kdenetwork-dbg or is a restart of kde needed?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Enola_Gay: i dont think so.  type gdb, then run kget
[03:09] <Enola_Gay> Hobbsee: it runs, gives me the error "malformed url" and then gdb tells me that kget has exit normally but it still runs
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Enola_Gay: weird.
[03:11] <Enola_Gay> :)
[03:13] <Enola_Gay> Jucato: You have around three downloads in your queue and pause each of them and then it doesn't crash?
[03:13] <Enola_Gay> *had
[03:13] <Jucato> let me try
[03:13] <Enola_Gay> Jucato: many thanks :)
[03:15] <Enola_Gay> The problem is that kget doesn't save the list directly after change. I have set the saving time to 1 instead of 10 minutes but you an add much downloads in one minute :)
[03:15] <Enola_Gay> ANd if it crashed I have to readd them again. I am useing an online video recorder which allows only alllows two or three downloads a time so I have to add them, pause them, add them and so on so it is very hard if it crashes after pausing files.
[03:16] <Jucato> hm.. again... no crashes here... could be something in your config file?
[03:17] <Enola_Gay> Jucato: kget config files?
[03:17] <Jucato> might have changed something in the settings that's causing this behavior?
[03:18] <Enola_Gay> Ok, I reset them one minute. I have purged kget but it didn't help but I am not sure if I have removed the kget .kde-files.
[03:19] <Enola_Gay> rm -r .kde/share/apps/kget/ && rm .kde/share/config/kgetrc
[03:22] <Enola_Gay> hm, kget doesn't resume part files.
[03:25] <Enola_Gay> Jucato: Shame on me, it doesn't have crashed so far. Thanks but I call back if shows the same behaviour :)
[03:26] <Jucato> well then, in that case I hope you don't call back. if that would mean it's not crashing anymore :)
[03:27] <Enola_Gay> :)
[03:58] <Enola_Gay> Jucato: A call for you :)
[03:59] <Enola_Gay> But I got a little dump.
[03:59] <Enola_Gay> Jucato: http://pastebin.ca/293376
[04:01] <Hobbsee> #
[04:01] <Hobbsee> #36 0x08062b40 in main (argc=3, argv=)
[04:01] <Hobbsee> #
[04:01] <Hobbsee>     at /build/buildd/kdenetwork-3.5.5/./kget/main.cpp:222
[04:01] <Hobbsee> ouch, bad paste
[04:01] <Hobbsee> looks nasty, if it's crashing in main
[04:04] <Enola_Gay> I have tried to comile feisty src build with apt-src but the dependencies doesn't fit.
[04:04] <Enola_Gay> *compile
[04:04] <Hobbsee> yeah, they wouldnt
[04:07] <Hobbsee> gah, b.k.o searching seems to suck.
[04:08] <Hobbsee> Enola_Gay: file it - help, report bug.  the guys who know the code will find it much easier to deal with
[04:12] <bddebian> Heya
[04:37] <pinheiro> moin
[06:23] <froud> I am looking for xmllint normally part of libxml2 library, but cant find it on dapper. Any ideas where I can find it?
[06:26] <froud> found it in libxml2-utils
[06:50] <nixternal> froud: kate plugins?
[06:50] <nixternal> or are you doing some documentation?
[06:51] <froud> nixternal: documentation, but it's OK cause I found it in libxml2-uutils
[06:51] <nixternal> kde or ubuntu docs?
[06:52] <froud> upstream
[06:52] <froud> kde
[06:52] <nixternal> ahhh...there are so many great tools we use when doing kde docs
[06:53] <nixternal> the nice thing with doing kde docs in kate, is that xmllint validation recognizes the global kde entities
[06:53] <nixternal> using the kate-plugins of course
[06:53] <nixternal> and to check your work for kde you also have the EBN
[06:53] <froud> I edit in Oxygen XML Editor
[06:53] <nixternal> hmm. never tried that one
[06:53] <froud> I can always validate there
[06:53] <froud> but at the comand line
[06:54] <froud> used to be that install of libxml2 was enough to also install xmllint
[06:54] <froud> changes :-)
[06:54] <nixternal> ahh, i just do sudo apt-get build-dep ubuntu-docs and i get it that way
[06:54] <froud> now if I can just get this darn kde 4 environment installed
[06:55] <nixternal> hehe, i had fun with it the other day..i will wait a few more weeks before going at it again
[06:55] <froud> geeze so many things to change just to isolate it
[08:33] <viper550> is kwwii missing in action?
[08:49] <pinheiro> no
[08:52] <nixternal> heh
[09:19] <kwwii> evening
[09:19] <raphink> hi kwwii
[09:23] <kwwii> howdy raphink
[09:24] <raphink> good
[09:24] <raphink> you?
[09:24] <kwwii> doing pretty well, thanks