[12:14] <imbrandon> where is this animations plugin lupine_85 
[12:14] <lupine_85> Visual Effects->Animation
[12:14] <imbrandon> nvm found it
[12:14] <lupine_85> ...s
[12:14] <imbrandon> thanks
[12:15] <imbrandon> man this thing needs some major useability team spanking :)
[12:15] <lupine_85> imbrandon: we're working on it :)
[12:15] <imbrandon> :)
[12:22] <_MMA_> Hey imbrandon: Heres something I did with the "snow" plugin: http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/6060/screenshotda5.png
[12:23] <imbrandon> hahah nice
[12:23] <imbrandon> hrm where do i turn the shadows off ( for the windows and the menus )
[12:24] <ajmitch> imbrandon: killall beryl
[12:24] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:24] <imbrandon> thats about the solution i need
[12:24] <ajmitch> works for me ;)
[12:24] <imbrandon> i can never get it "quite right"
[12:25] <imbrandon> although now its useable
[12:25] <imbrandon> but at the cost of a $2k machine
[12:30] <imbrandon> lupine_85, make it to where i dont see that damnd icon in the try
[12:30] <imbrandon> tray*
[12:30] <imbrandon> heh
[12:30] <lupine_85> imbrandon: killall beryl-manager && beryl --replace && emerald --replace &
[12:30] <lupine_85> problem solved :)
[12:31] <imbrandon> :)
[12:31] <imbrandon> ok what about the shadows :)
[12:31] <lupine_85> erm. in the window decorations plugin?
[12:31] <lupine_85> I think that for 0.2.0 we should have a decent manual written :D
[12:52] <tsmithe> now just to finish porting it
[12:52] <tsmithe> although, i cannot decipher autoconf syntax
[12:52] <tsmithe> so i bet it's not "sane
[01:16] <tsmithe> does gcc define any macros that i could use to identify it as the compiler?
[01:30] <imbrandon> probably
[01:30] <imbrandon> although afaik thats normaly done with the config script
[01:42] <tsmithe> yeah
[02:47] <theCore> does the current snapshot of Feisty include compiz/beryl?
[02:47] <theCore> (I'm trying to sell Ubuntu to someone, I want to show the bling bling :) 
[02:48] <Adri2000> theCore: don't sell feisty to a newbie!
[02:48] <theCore> Adri2000: no, just the cool effects
[02:50] <_MMA_> theCore: All Ive seen is Compiz.
[02:51] <theCore> _MMA_: ok, thanks
[02:51] <theCore> I will just boot a live CD
[02:51] <theCore> if there are not enabled, I will just install it
[02:52] <_MMA_> theCore: I use Trevio's Beryl-SVN Repo. Seems to work well.
[02:52] <theCore> it's my Ubuntu conversion's week :)
[02:53] <theCore> 3 people converted, maybe 1 more 
[02:53] <_MMA_> As long as they dont play games, nice. :)
[02:55] <theCore> well, the dual boot option is nice for them
[02:55] <_MMA_> Usually the route I go. Sometimes it backfires though. :(
[02:56] <theCore> incidentally, it the forth Windows machine I fix :)
[02:57] <theCore> people are really tired of virus, spywares, etc
[02:57] <theCore> so, Ubuntu is a sweet aspirin for them :)
[02:57] <_MMA_> Ahh... Always a nice selling point.
[02:58] <theCore> and the 20 min install rocks
[02:59] <theCore> they are always impressed how fast Ubuntu installation is
[03:00] <theCore> that's quite normal. after they waited for a hour for Windows
[03:00] <theCore> s/for//
[03:01] <_MMA_> theCore: Wow. 20 mins? Mine seen to take a bit longer. Perhaps I need a faster CDROM.
[03:01] <_MMA_> Fastest one Ive seen was Linspire.
[03:01] <theCore> _MMA_: I timed it. It's exactly 24 min
[03:01] <_MMA_> nice.
[03:02] <_MMA_> I have family coming over tomorrow and I have live disks. :)
[03:02] <theCore> and it appears even faster, because you can actually use the system while it's installing
[03:23] <imbrandon> 20 minutes? installes in about 9 or 10 here
[03:23] <imbrandon> :)
[03:58] <jdong> imbrandon: totally depends on CD-rom drive and burn quality :D
[03:59] <jdong> on my premium burner box with black CD-r's Ubuntu installs in around 4-5 minutes on reiserfs notail
[03:59] <jdong> on my cheap DVD-RW box ubuntu can take up to 20-30 minutes to install
[04:00] <jdong> not that I recommend using $1 CD-R's to burn ubuntu :D
[04:00] <imbrandon> i was talking about stamped cd's
[04:00] <imbrandon> but yea
[04:02] <jdong> I wouldn't be surprised at all if Ubuntu took in excess of 20min to install :)
[04:02] <jdong> especially nowadays with all the PC's shipping with no-name OEM optical drives
[04:14] <imbrandon> even the no name optical drives are better than the premium drives of yesteryear
[04:14] <imbrandon> but i see your point
[04:14] <imbrandon> :)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> jdong: is supertux backported yet?
[04:19] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:19] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee 
[04:19] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon :)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i think i'm nuts
[04:19] <imbrandon> we think you are too :)
[04:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh, thanks.  i'm looking at the kdepim buglist
[04:20] <imbrandon> hoocked on supertux ?
[04:20] <imbrandon> ahh
[04:20] <imbrandon> hooked*
[04:20] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, s/kmail/mailody/g and it is all good , just teasin , its not ready yet
[04:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, i know
[04:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yup
[04:22] <imbrandon> hrm 
[04:23] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ever messed with making "tasks" for d-i
[04:23] <imbrandon> kinda like whats on the server cd
[04:23] <imbrandon> for LAMP and what ever the other one is
[04:23] <joejaxx> :O
[04:24] <joejaxx> its imbrandon :D
[04:24] <imbrandon> heya joejaxx 
[04:24] <joejaxx> hello :)
[04:24] <imbrandon> what about you, i know you played with the d-i a bit
[04:24] <joejaxx> me?
[04:24] <imbrandon> i dont want a totaly custom cd, just change the existing tasks ok the server iso
[04:27] <joejaxx> are you talking to ajmitch or me? lol
[04:28] <jdong> Hobbsee: make ubuntu-archive process backports and it'll happen :)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> jdong: ah right
[04:28] <jdong> I have no sway over when archive team does its work :)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> jdong: hehe, fair enough.  you could fix that data loss bug though for the umount progress dialogue
[04:44] <imbrandon> heh i figured out how to make windows xp "wobbly"
[04:44] <imbrandon> run it in vmware LOL
[04:45] <imbrandon> gah that was terrible, /me needs a nap
[04:58] <jdong> lol, imbrandon
[04:58] <jdong> I thought it was gonna involve the degauss button
[06:26] <fowlduck> Gerald Ford died today at 93
[06:57] <imbrandon> :(
[09:48] <imbrandon> ohhhh buildd is finished installing, mirror is syncing 
[09:48] <imbrandon> lookin good
[11:51] <ciplogic> Hi all, I sow that I can spare around 2 hours/day and I want to contribute as much as possible to Ubuntu. I am mostly a C++ developer on CAD systems (which probably does not help as much) but of course I know C, a bit of C# and I am ready to learn
[01:44] <core> hej
[01:46] <core> is there an option to build binarypackages directly without processing the source stage?
[01:46] <Fujitsu> Surely you need the source to build the binaries... So no.
[01:47] <core> well I have the sources but the situation isn't really simple
[01:48] <core> maybe you've heard something from dylan www.opendylan.org
[01:48] <core> it's just another programming language ;)
[01:49] <core> but it isn't really useful to bootstrap every new version from C
[04:12] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:24] <Guardian> hi
[05:24] <Guardian> is it the right place to ask for a tutorial on how to build a library with autotools ?
[05:25] <bddebian> No, I would read the autotools page on GNU's website :-)
[05:25] <Guardian> i would like to build and package a library, currently i'm building a static library using a classic makefile
[05:33] <bddebian> Guardian: Unfortunately we really don't do the low-level upstream packaging, just the Debian/Ubuntu packaging.  Though there are those here that can do it.
[05:37] <Guardian> ok thx
[05:41] <siretart> Guardian: http://www.seul.org/docs/autotut/
[05:42] <siretart> Guardian: if it is a library, you should consider libtool
[05:45] <Guardian> thx for the link
[05:46] <bddebian> hu hu siretart
[06:03] <siretart> huhu bddebian :)
[06:03] <bddebian> Delayed response? :)
[09:55] <zul> yo
[09:58] <nixternal> oy
[09:58] <tsmithe> hmm
[09:59] <bddebian> yohmm
[09:59] <tsmithe> mhhoy?
[10:00] <tsmithe> o
[10:22] <Burgwork> ajmitch: I am glad we don't have ESR using ubuntu
[10:22] <bddebian> heh
[10:22] <Burgwork> ajmitch: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2006-December/msg00519.html
[10:24] <zul> Burgwork, why would we want him to use it ;)
[10:27] <Burgwork> zul: glad we don't have hin
[10:28] <zul> Burgwork, yeah he is a bit of a nutter
[10:28] <Burgwork> s/a bit/a complete/
[10:29] <zorglu_> hehe the redhat guy is not the fastest to react tho :) the esr thing is 3 years old :)
[10:29] <bddebian> Wow, this is entertaining stuff :)
[10:29] <Burgwork> what happens when you don't have a CoC
[10:29] <Burgwork> people calling each names doesn't happen on our lists, thank the lords
[10:38] <joejaxx> Hello Everyone
[10:38] <bddebian> Heya joejaxx
[10:40] <joejaxx> bddebian: :) how are you
[10:41] <bddebian> Just wunderbar
[10:41] <siretart> oh. bddebian is learning german?
[10:42] <siretart> :)
[10:42] <bddebian> Heh, I wish
[10:42] <joejaxx> bddebian: that is good to hear L)
[10:42] <joejaxx> :)  *
[10:42] <siretart> #debian-newmaint has just been taken over by de_DE
[10:43] <geser> siretart: are you going to give bddebian german lessons in #ubuntu-classroom?
[10:44] <siretart> if he wants to learn ;)
[10:46] <joejaxx> siretart: whould you really do german lessons lol
[10:49] <bddebian> wo is das beir?
[10:50] <bddebian> How bad did I botch that up? :-)
[10:50] <ajmitch> Burgwork: interesting
[10:52] <geser> bddebian: not that bad,  is -> ist and beir -> bier
[10:52] <bddebian> gah
[10:54] <bddebian> How do I say "my life sucks" in German? :)
[10:54] <siretart> bddebian: heh
[10:56] <siretart> bddebian: literally: "mein Leben saugt", but nobody really talks like that
[10:57] <bddebian> heh
[11:02] <bddebian> Gah, I see REVU is still overflowing.. :(
[11:03] <tsmithe> oh dear
[11:03] <tsmithe> i just uploaded again
[11:03] <tsmithe> ;)
[11:04] <somerville32> tsmithe: Did your first package get accepted?
[11:04] <somerville32> ie. Did you ever figure out the python policy stuff? haha
[11:04] <tsmithe> somerville32, err nope
[11:04] <zul> hah take that mofos xen-3.0.4 and 2.6.19
[11:04] <tsmithe> it's got 1 whatsit
[11:05] <tsmithe> advocation
[11:05] <siretart> can someone explain me, didn't we decide at the last motu meeting that future reviews should go via launchpad in bzr branches?
[11:05] <bddebian> xen schmen..
[11:05] <bddebian> siretart: I couldn't keep up :)
[11:06] <bddebian> tsmithe: What package?
[11:06] <tsmithe> asoundconf-gtk
[11:07] <tsmithe> and i have two others
[11:07] <tsmithe> it's gone!
[11:07] <tsmithe> yay!
[11:07] <tsmithe> it's uploaded!
[11:07] <tsmithe> ok
[11:07] <tsmithe> two more packages, which are more urgent, and for ubuntustudio
[11:07] <tsmithe> alsa-firmware: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3895
[11:08] <tsmithe> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3892
[11:08] <tsmithe> ^ alsa-tools
[11:09] <tsmithe> oh no - it's not uploaded
[11:09] <siretart> tsmithe: err, are both just updates?
[11:09] <tsmithe> yes it is uploaded
[11:09] <tsmithe> siretart, alsa-firmware is new
[11:09] <tsmithe> alsa-tools is an update
[11:09] <tsmithe> (but a pretty major change for alsa-firmware-loaders, one of the resulting binaries)
[11:11] <bddebian> somerville32: Shouldn't pyneighborhood go into /usr/lib/python-support/foo ?
[11:11] <shawarma> Where does python get its sys.path from?
[11:11] <somerville32> bddebian, pyneighborhood - maybe but pyneighborhood isn't a module
[11:12] <bddebian> Hrm, OK
[11:15] <shawarma> I'm trying to figure out how python-support gets into sys.path.. does anyone know this?
[11:18] <bddebian> shawarma: No clue sorry
[11:18] <shawarma> bddebian: No problem. I'll try in #python.
[11:20] <bddebian> shawarma: Well just because I don't know, doesn't mean someone with a brain doesn't :)
[11:20] <shawarma> bddebian: heh.. True. 
[11:20] <ajmitch> symlinks
[11:21] <bddebian> see :)
[11:28] <gnomefreak> what happened to the java licence instead of just hitting y now you hit Y to get another screen to hit ok?
[11:28] <bddebian> Because Java sucks?
[11:30] <gnomefreak> yes i know but it never used to do it
[11:32] <bddebian> So what do we do about REVU packages that were ack'd by two advocates, look OK but are for Edgy?  Update and upload or ask the submitter to update it?
[11:46] <imbrandon> bddebian, imho i would just change the distro , check build it and upload
[11:46] <imbrandon> no reason to go back though the process
[11:46] <imbrandon> ( just my 0.2c )
[11:47] <bddebian> imbrandon: Already uploaded it ;-)
[11:47] <imbrandon> heheh
[11:47] <imbrandon> :)
[11:47] <somerville32> imbrandon: Can I get my new passwd? : )
[11:47] <imbrandon> somerville32, yea it will just use your ssh key from LP
[11:47] <imbrandon> whats your LP name
[11:48] <somerville32> cody-somerville
[11:48] <imbrandon> k one sec
[11:48] <shawarma> Automatic syncing from Debian stopped on the 21st, right?
[11:48] <imbrandon> yes
[11:49] <bddebian> shawarma: Yeah, so get to work cleaning up the rest of those merges ;-P
[11:49] <shawarma> bddebian: I'm just wondering why exaile (which was in Debian a before then) hasn't been synced.
[11:50] <bddebian> I looked at that and I can't remember why.  Is it on the blacklist?
[11:50] <shawarma> bddebian: Hardly. It's a mediaplayer so why would it?
[11:50] <bddebian> Hmm, nope
[11:52] <shawarma> How do I find the NEW queue? I can never remember the path to it in LP.
[11:52] <imbrandon> somerville32, all setup , try it to make sure it works becasuse i'm about to hit the shower , none of the pbuilders are setup yet
[11:52] <imbrandon> the ip and stuff is .....
[11:52] <imbrandon> somerville32, ssh ssh-dss AAAAB3NzaC1kc3MAAAEBAODhhbY3NwAmla+0P5rGT1YBkDC9WV2gplibtrzmKGzFEQkqOj7EohDQS3SV/Ruc8x1aeBFz+jWUKYmR3EtVW0exJWZXVgUyi7UFi2A4aRCW++DPc/XFs2cXk5rfMLlRQVGREkxc0YFeYBD52YTRBENXfrqIM9MCSB0csivRxa9KoShkKD+TwZTIXtO/LBKMfKiPytf5cLnVysx6t3f9TlM1oOder7T4bgnMM3/iw/tghxBEuMukDub0FQfD54JF5CikhQ/IiSUlhQsZxBv53iH0JxGaK6ClelvgUSvoVUh5L2Icb9XAQP99fcHHNgR2H3WumDSGJYSMj4nnvLpz5ykAAAAVAOVCJi2EfxGEyB9xHitKHAd+CHVBAAABAQCqJ
[11:53] <imbrandon> shit
[11:53] <imbrandon> ummm
[11:53] <bddebian> shawarma: It's not on there. :-(  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=
[11:53] <imbrandon> somerville32, ssh -p5022 cody-somerville@build.imbrandon.com
[11:53] <shawarma> bddebian: Did you have that url bookmarked or did you actually find a link to it somewhere on lp?
[11:53] <imbrandon> your ssh key should be loaded
[11:54] <bddebian> shawarma: I have it bookmarked :)
[11:54] <shawarma> bddebian: Wise man.
[11:54] <somerville32> Yeah, I'm logged in! :] 
[11:55] <imbrandon> ok somerville32 i'll finish setting up the pbuilders here when i get out of the shower
[11:55] <imbrandon> somerville32, pay attn to the MOTD 
[11:55] <imbrandon> it will have the pbuilder info etc
[11:55] <somerville32> ok
[11:55] <somerville32> :] 
[11:56] <imbrandon> heh and please dont wall while i'm editing configs :)
[11:56] <geser> shawarma: start on LP -> goto Ubuntu -> goto feisty under releases (right side) -> View Uploads (left side)
[11:57] <shawarma> geser: ah... Well spotted!
[11:59] <shawarma> Does 'python /etc/python2.4/site.py | grep pycentral
[11:59] <shawarma> whoops
[12:00] <shawarma> Does 'python /etc/python2.4/site.py | grep pycentral' give any output on your systems?
[12:03] <somerville32> no
[12:10] <shawarma> somerville32: Thanks. I think I've figured out what's going on. 
[12:10] <somerville32> np