[10:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you around, or on holidays?
[10:02] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[10:02] <Riddell> both
[10:02] <Hobbsee> yay, you are here :)
[10:02] <Hobbsee> ah
[10:02] <Hobbsee> so you'd probably prefer not to think about what i was going to ask you
[10:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: FYI:  [20:03]  <praetor> Hobbsee: i've almost finished the C++ part of the upgrader
[10:04] <Riddell> yeah, just found a /msg from him
[10:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm assuming that you hadnt started it
[10:04] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[10:04] <Riddell> no, I havn't
[10:04] <Hobbsee> when are you officially back?
[10:04] <Riddell> 3rd
[10:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: OK.  in case you were wondering, i want to know about the feasibility of putting the big kde packages into bzr somehow, so that we can commit little fixes to them, instead of fixing a whole lot every once in a while, then finding a sponsor.
[10:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'm not convinced that would be any less hassle
[10:06] <Riddell> at least until no-more-source-packages happens
[10:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hmmm, OK.
[10:06] <Riddell> I already have a copy in debian's SVN
[10:06] <Riddell> and it's a hassle to keep it up to date
[10:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i guess with imbrandon here it's easier to get things uploaded, for those of us without upload privs
[10:07] <Riddell> we do kubuntu-default-settings that way, and it's not uncommon for it to get out of sync
[10:08] <Hobbsee> true
[11:15] <fdoving> Riddell: if anything gets out of sync it's because those who work with the packages don't sync it with the main bzr repo. I think having bzr/svn repos of debian/ dirs atleast, is a very good idea.
[11:21] <fdoving> i prefer getting the upstream source with debian/rules, for example, 'debian/rules get-orig-source', watchfiles and all.
[11:31] <Riddell> fdoving: you can't do that with mainline KDE, the source packages are kept hidden for a week before release
[11:32] <fdoving> well, you can modify the debian/rules to 'cp /tmp/hidden/ ../tarballs' or something.
[11:33] <Riddell> what would be the point in that?
[11:33] <fdoving> it would be very handly later, after the release when things need to change.
[11:36] <fdoving> debian does this with some of their debian/ dirs, i think it seems logical.
[11:37] <Riddell> .orig files don't change
[11:37] <fdoving> exactly.
[11:37] <fdoving> that's why we don't want them in the svn/bzr repo.
[11:38] <fdoving> we want a rules target to fetch it from upstream, when needed.
[11:41] <Riddell> or you can use apt-get source
[11:42] <fdoving> I can, actually 'dpatch-get-origtargz' does that, if it provides the correct orig.tar.gz it is used, if not, it's fetched from upstream with the info in debian/watch
[11:42] <Jucato> moin kwwii! :)
[11:44] <kwwii> moin Jucato
[11:44] <Jucato> Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! :D
[11:44] <kwwii> thanks :-)
[11:45] <kwwii> the first one was successful, now for the second one :-)
[11:45] <fdoving> Riddell: If I have a working debian/watch, I can simply do 'dch -v newversion; debian/rules get-orig-source; svn-buildpackage', svn-buildpackage unpacks the tarball, and does it all. You can also use bzr-builddeb if you have a bzr repo.
[11:46] <fdoving> Riddell: that's when a new version of something is released. I don't have to browse to the projects webpage, find the link to the upstream tar.gz, download, rename, and all.
[11:47] <fdoving> for kde it might not be that handy, because they keep it hidden..
[11:48] <fdoving> but things do change in the packages after KDE release too.
[12:05] <fdoving> I'll go make waffles. bye.
[05:26] <bddebian> Heya
[05:26] <fdoving> hi.
[05:27] <bddebian> Hello fdoving
[05:27] <fdoving> so, you've finished christmas too? :)
[05:27] <bddebian> Yeah, two days ago :'-(  :)
[06:19] <kwwii> mhb: ping?
[06:19] <pinheiro> yea
[06:19] <pinheiro> exactly
[06:19] <pinheiro>  :)
[06:21] <kwwii> mhb: can you point me to the webpage comparison you did for oxygen?
[06:23] <kwwii> Riddell: ping?
[06:25] <pinheiro> the page is down
[06:25] <pinheiro> i just checked it
[06:25] <pinheiro> aparently i had it bookmarked
[06:26] <kwwii> ouch
[06:59] <kwwii> Riddell: when you have time, I would like to discuss the naming stuff
[07:20] <Riddell> kwwii: I'm free
[07:20] <Riddell> pinheiro: it's moved to a new page
[07:21] <kwwii> Riddell: can you send me the file you started? I want to start a spreadsheet with that info and other stuff
[07:22] <kwwii> Riddell: I am starting wikipages for oxygen
[07:22] <kwwii> and some info would be nice, so putting everything in a spreadsheet seems like a nice start
[07:23] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/icon-spec/standard-names
 <kde3-name> <status>
[07:23] <Riddell> NEW is new use for an icon
[07:23] <Riddell> NONE is doesn't exist at all in kde 3
[07:24] <Riddell> I was planning on starting to work it all out tomorrow
[07:26] <kwwii> cool, I'll be around for any help :-)
[07:27] <kwwii> Riddell: mainly, I want to start a wikipage with a bit of info first, I thought it might help to look at the content of that file to do so
[07:33] <n8k99> kwwii: are you doing the kubuntu artwork for feisty?
[07:38] <kwwii> n8k99: not sure yet, but I'll help in any case ;-)
[07:39] <n8k99> kwwii: just wondering if you'd be heading up any efforts as I'd like to help contribute to the effort
[07:40] <Riddell> as often happens we have no idea what's happening
[07:41] <Riddell> but we can console ourselves that, as far as I know, Ubuntu has even less idea
[07:41] <kwwii> n8k99: killer, we can use all the help we can get ;-)
[07:42] <n8k99> Riddell: did you mean ubuntu or canonical?
[07:48] <Riddell> n8k99: ubuntu, the 1 CD gnome distro
[07:48] <n8k99> Riddell: is that related to Kubuntu the 1 CD KDE distro ;-)
[07:53] <n8k99> has anyone ever tried making kopete a kpart for kontact?
[07:55] <mhb> hi all
[07:55] <kwwii> hi mhb
[07:55] <mhb> sorry that I missed the ping
[08:00] <Riddell> mhb: could you give access to your database thing to kwwii and pinheiro
[08:01] <Riddell> n8k99: I doubt it.  when it's been suggested to danimo he's said it wouldn't be very useful
[08:01] <n8k99> I see
[08:03] <mhb> Riddell, kwwii : do you need something urgent from me?
[08:03] <mhb> Riddell: I see, sure
[08:04] <kwwii> mhb: was just working on the naming stuff, thought I'd talk to you about it too
[08:04] <kwwii> nothing pressing
[08:11] <mhb> Riddell, kwwii: I'll be away for the next few days ( visiting my girlfriend's family ) so if you need anything from me, please tell me
[08:12] <kwwii> mhb: by the time you get back I will probably have something ;-)
[08:12] <mhb> kwwii: sure
[08:12] <kwwii> have a good time
[08:12] <mhb> kwwii: thanks
[08:13] <Riddell> mhb will come back grumbling about the in-laws :)
[08:14] <kwwii> lol
[08:14] <kwwii> the best way to avoid that, I have found is to invite everyone to your house...so they are all grumbling about you instead
[08:15] <kwwii> btw. /me just created http://developernew.kde.org/Projects/Oxygen
[08:16] <Riddell> do I want to read this tango thread on kde-artists?
[08:18] <kwwii> Riddell: you do if you want a good laugh
[08:18] <kwwii> I think they were trying to bait us just "little" bit
[08:19] <Riddell> kwwii: anything decided about the kde 4 widet style?
[08:19] <Riddell> widget
[08:20] <kwwii> Riddell: well, we are working on it :-) we are putting everything in playground/artwork/Oxygen for now
[08:20] <Riddell> anyone on feisty (plus w32codecs installed) around to test something?  what happens if you listen to a radio station from the bbc with it set to realplayer?  http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/
[08:23] <mhb> Riddell: well, when I selected "Open in standalone player" it offered Amarok and then crashed
[08:25] <Riddell> naw, not standalone, embedded, what happens?
[08:27] <mhb> Riddell: all I see is Settings link and Launch this in standalone player link and BBC logo
[08:27] <mhb> Riddell: in the popup that appears when I click on the Listen to...
[08:28] <Riddell> hmm
[08:28] <Riddell> try settings and tell it reaplayer
[08:28] <Riddell> realplayer
[08:32] <Riddell> froud!
[08:32] <mhb> Riddell: it works when I select WM
[08:32] <mhb> Riddell: kmplayer launches
[08:32] <Riddell> mhb: aye but that's not what I'm wanting to test :)
[08:32] <froud> Riddell: hey there
[08:33] <mhb> Riddell: I thought that. With realplayer I get a black screen where the menu should be.
[08:34] <mhb> Riddell: I may have an outdated system for a few days.Should I upgrade it all first?
[08:34] <Riddell> no
[08:36] <mhb> Riddell: by the way, I thought about suggesting a different widget style for Kubuntu Feisty ... Polyester, that is
[08:37] <mhb> Riddell: I wanted to know if you're totally against it; if not we could add it to the next meeting's agenda
[08:38] <Riddell> I'm pretty well against it
[08:38] <Riddell> but feel free to add it
[08:41] <mhb> Riddell: thanks
[08:43] <mhb> n8k99: by the way, if you want to discuss Kubuntu artwork, you can join #ubuntu-artwork and we can chat there ... I *love* discussing artwork :o)
[08:44] <n8k99> mhb: gr8
[09:09] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[09:10] <mhb> hi Tonio_
[09:10] <Tonio_> sorry or not beeing there at the moment, I'm taking a little break for christmas and new year's day
[09:10] <mhb> enjoy
[09:10] <Tonio_> refreshing my brain and getting new ideas for ubuntu while playing with vista and osx :)
[09:10] <Tonio_> 8 days without a linux computer in use, strange feeling for me ^^
[09:13] <jpatrick> someone tell me what the status on package updates is?
[09:21] <Riddell> nothing is going to happen until next year
[09:21] <jpatrick> lovely
[09:22] <Riddell> what are you interested in?
[09:22] <jpatrick> updating koverartist
[09:23] <jpatrick> got a request by email and it fixes bug #62259
[09:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62259 in koverartist "Missing cd/dvd templates in /usr/share/apps/koverartist/cases" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62259
[09:26] <kwwii> Riddell: mind if I post the info you have in that file on http://developernew.kde.org/index.php?title=Projects/Oxygen/namingSpec
[09:26] <kwwii> ?
[09:26] <Riddell> kwwii: not at all
[09:26] <Riddell> although the mediawiki format for tables is weird as hell as I remember
[09:29] <jpatrick> hi raphink
[09:46] <jpetso> kwwii: any specific todo for the previously-mentioned naming spec?
[09:47] <kwwii> n8k99: once I know what is up, I can answer that more defintely
[09:47] <kwwii> erm
[09:47] <kwwii> sorry
[09:47] <jpetso> yea
[09:47] <jpetso> ok, thx
[09:47] <kwwii> jpetso: yeah, we have to make it :-)
[09:48] <n8k99> kwwii: what is causing so much confusion? kde4?
[09:48] <kwwii> we need to figure out what we need and how to extend it
[09:48] <jpetso> kwwii: is it only for the icons in the Tango spec, or does it also include making up new names for existing icons?
[09:48] <kwwii> as well as how to change everything in code with script
[09:48] <kwwii> we will need new names as well
[09:48] <jpetso> ok
[09:48] <kwwii> as you can see on that page
[09:49] <jpetso> kwwii: i meant, new like "we're out to extend the fd.o specification"
[09:49] <jpetso> kwwii: but i see this is in scope
[09:50] <kwwii> we will definitely need to extend it
[09:50] <jpetso> kwwii: i'll start with checking the current entries in the wiki page
[09:52] <kwwii> cool
[09:52] <kwwii> we need all the help we can get :-)
[10:03] <kwwii> ubuntu-artwork is soooo useless
[10:03] <nixternal> heh
[10:03] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[10:03] <kwwii> hi Hobbsee!
[10:03] <nixternal> hiya kwwii!
[10:03] <kwwii> good morning or whatever
[10:03] <kwwii> hi nixternal
[10:03] <kwwii> :-)
[10:04] <nixternal> we need some groovy graphics for documentation :)
[10:04] <nixternal> header and footer
[10:04] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal, kwwii!!!
[10:04] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's 8am :)
[10:04] <nixternal> you have until march :)
[10:05] <kwwii> the best way to accomplish that is to make a detailed idea of what you need and to submit it to the art team
[10:05] <kwwii> :p
[10:05] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:05] <nixternal> we can do that im sure
[10:05] <mhb> kwwii: heh
[10:05] <Hobbsee> say "i want it to look like this", then just attack the people with my Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  until it gets done!
[10:05] <kwwii> Hobbsee: say "ping kwwi until he does it" and i'll fly to AU just to find you
[10:06] <Hobbsee> kwwii: :P
[10:06] <mhb> kwwii: useless, you say? :o)
[10:06] <Hobbsee> kwwii: way cool.  could be fun to meet up.
[10:06] <crimsun> you kubuntu people are scary.
[10:06] <kwwii> hehe
[10:06] <Hobbsee> awww, poor crimsun
[10:06] <n8k99> crimsun: why are our eyes too close together or sumphin
[10:06] <nixternal> haha
[10:07] <crimsun> I think it's the -lack- of eyes and overabundance of pointy sticks.
[10:07] <Hobbsee> nah.  i think the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  scares crimsun, and that's definetly in kubuntu ownership
[10:07] <nixternal> crimsun: i wish you would stop living a lie and just come out with it already, you closet kubuntu ser
[10:07] <nixternal> err s/ser/user
[10:07] <Hobbsee> who's missing eyes here?
[10:07] <crimsun> everyone, thanks to some pointy stick of doom?
[10:08] <Hobbsee> i dont poke their eyes out....
[10:08] <crimsun> nixternal: I already do use it kthx
[10:08] <nixternal> hehe
[10:08] <kwwii> if we would have known that you would show up with your damn pointy stick we would have hidden
[10:08] <n8k99> nixternal what do you wnat the header and footer to look like?
[10:08] <Hobbsee> kwwii: haha.  kicked me out of the channel when i was still a lurker, yes?
[10:08] <n8k99> s/wnat/want
[10:09] <kwwii> ;-)
[10:09] <nixternal> n8k99: i have no clue, something new and exciting of course, but i will leave that up to Riddell
[10:09] <kwwii> Hobbsee: just depends where you stick it :p
[10:09] <nixternal> haha
[10:09] <Hobbsee> haha
[10:09] <Hobbsee> where you dont want it to go, of course :P
[10:09] <nixternal> oh shat, im out of this one
[10:09] <Hobbsee> oh the possibilities raised by that statement...
[10:10] <nixternal> kwwii did grow up on the north side :)
[10:10] <kwwii> now I should say something dirty
[10:10] <Hobbsee> the north side?
[10:10] <Hobbsee> kwwii: you could.   it'll probably hurt though.
[10:10] <kwwii> I am into some pretty funky stuff
[10:10] <mhb> kwwii: so who and when will work on kubuntu-artwork-* specs?
[10:11] <crimsun> nixternal: as opposed to super not-loud sound?
[10:11] <kwwii> mhb: no idea yet
[10:11] <kwwii> erm
[10:11] <kwwii> rather, I have the specs done
[10:11] <kwwii> but who will do the work is still up in the air
[10:11] <nixternal> yes crimsun
[10:11] <mhb> kwwii: you have?
[10:11] <crimsun> nixternal: I have no idea what that means.
[10:11] <kwwii> sure, for months
[10:11] <mhb> kwwii: I mean more than https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/kubuntu-artwork-desktop
[10:12] <Hobbsee> kwwii: i think we'll leave your private life hidden :P
[10:12] <mhb> kwwii: some specific guidelines, ideas
[10:12] <kwwii> hehe
[10:12] <n8k99> nixternal: did you recently get that machen?
[10:12] <kwwii> being married will turn any man into a semi-freak
[10:12] <mhb> kwwii: specifying what will remain/ what will change
[10:12] <kwwii> :p
[10:12] <kwwii> mhb: well, check the specs:-)
[10:12] <mhb> kwwii: I'm checking the wiki pages
[10:12] <kwwii> you could add one to use polyester
[10:13] <mhb> kwwii: I have added that to the meeting agenda
[10:13] <kwwii> launchpad would be a good place to start
[10:13] <kwwii> which meeting?
[10:13] <mhb> next Kubuntu meeting
[10:13] <Hobbsee> kwwii: oh dear.  yes, these women people are terrible, i dont know how you stand us :P
[10:13] <kwwii> why have I not recieved notice of a meeting?
[10:13] <mhb> kwwii: because there is not yet a date for it?
[10:13] <kwwii> hey now, I love my wife
[10:13] <n8k99> meeting?
[10:13] <kwwii> and you can too for 19.95
[10:14] <kwwii> mhb: that would be a good reason
[10:14] <mhb> I've bought that and I love my girlfriend twice as much! I can only recommend kwwii's product!
[10:14] <kwwii> hehe
[10:14] <Hobbsee> you cant run a meeting if i'm not there, again :P
[10:14] <kwwii> no doubt
[10:14] <kwwii> once a year we should make meeting where Hobbsee can come
[10:15] <n8k99> Hobbsee:someone has to bring the pointy stick
[10:15] <Hobbsee> kwwii: of course you do.  but us women are still crazy :P
[10:15] <kwwii> but not much more than taht :p
[10:15] <kwwii> lol
[10:15] <Hobbsee> kwwii: i make it to most of them.  just the last one i missed, being suddenly out of the state.  (i had about 4 days warning before, and it was too late to change the meeting)
[10:15] <Hobbsee> hahahhaa
[10:15] <Hobbsee> n8k99: indeed.
[10:16] <Hobbsee> who's up for writing the python code to port the upgrader over.
[10:16] <Hobbsee> ?
[10:24] <kwwii> wheweweweweeheheheheh
[10:24] <Hobbsee> hmmm?
[10:24] <kwwii> and/or the sound of one hand clapping
[10:24] <kwwii> [22:14]  <Hobbsee> who's up for writing the python code to port the upgrader over.
[10:25] <n8k99> look Hobbsee you could poke me with the stick but the amount of python I know will get ya squat
[10:25] <mhb> Hobbsee: usually it's the one who asks the question :o)
[10:26] <kwwii> lol
[10:26] <mhb> kwwii: by the way, it might be a good thing for the Kubuntu artwork to move slowly towards KDE4's Oxygen
[10:26] <kwwii> mhb: don't worry, we have secret plans for that
[10:26] <mhb> kwwii: good, good .o)
[10:27] <n8k99> secret plans! I love secrets!
[10:27] <kwwii> mhb: the info on the kde wiki is up to date, but we are going to work on it soon
[10:27] <Hobbsee> mhb: my python's not very good.
[10:28] <Hobbsee> n8k99: hehe, fair enough
[10:28] <kwwii> once we have that done, we(kubuntu) are/is further than any other dist
[10:28] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:28] <kwwii> hehe
[10:29] <kwwii> http://developernew.kde.org/Projects/Oxygen/namingSpec
[10:29] <kwwii> feel free to work on it
[10:29] <kwwii> really
[10:31] <mhb> kwwii: KDE4's gonna use emblems? yay!
[10:31] <kwwii> haha
[10:31] <kwwii> no
[10:31] <mhb> aww
[10:31] <kwwii> that is the f.d.o naming spec
[10:32] <kwwii> until now kde does not use all of it
[10:32] <kwwii> although we extend it quite a bit
[10:33] <mhb> no emblems for KDE4? :(
[10:34] <mhb> I find them useful. But then, I find a lot of things useful.
[10:34] <mhb> the Oxygen home folder icon looks kind of like a folder with an emblem
[10:35] <kwwii> we will have something like emblems but it will be used differently
[10:35] <kwwii> programatically
[10:35] <kwwii> function bases
[10:35] <kwwii> based
[10:36] <kwwii> file-interaction based
[10:39] <n8k99> are there additional functions in katapault beside being a launcher?
[10:40] <fdoving> it can add up numbers, i've heard :)
[10:41] <n8k99> fdoving: how's that?
[10:41] <n8k99> oh I see
[10:42] <fdoving> there is a catalog for it.
[10:42] <Hobbsee> n8k99: + music + bookmarks, et
[10:42] <Hobbsee> c
[10:42] <fdoving> there is also a spelling thing.
[10:44] <mhb> I'd love Kontact integration for that :o)
[10:44] <n8k99> it'd be great if it could append notes within knotes
[10:44] <Hobbsee> ooh, yeah :)
[10:46] <n8k99> if it did that- I might start using knotes!!
[10:47] <fdoving> can't be hard to make.
[10:48] <apokryphos> knotes? Bah. Basket :D
[10:49] <Hobbsee> +1 apokryphos.  then again, basket can import knotes
[10:50] <apokryphos> right. It's just nice+easy to throw things into, quick search for my long notes, and doesn't take up my desktop
[10:50] <n8k99> right. then you could alt + space append knote > which would end up in basket
[10:54] <jpetso> kwwii: it seems the "edit_add" and "edit_remove" icons have been renamed to just "add" and "remove" in current kdelibs, but after you adding it to Oxygen as "add" vignoni has renamed it to its former name
[10:54] <jpetso> kwwii: which makes it inconsistent with current kdelibs and also the "remove" icon in Oxygen
[10:55] <kwwii> jpetso: it might very well be so, although I have not looked at it
[10:55] <kwwii> I wrote that a few hours ago
[10:55] <kwwii> so he has not reall looked at it yet
[10:55] <jpetso> kwwii: no, i mean Oxygen's actions/ SVN should be fixed
[10:56] <Tonio_> re
[10:56] <Tonio_> hi kwwiin, jpetso
[10:56] <jpetso> hi Tonio_
[10:56] <apokryphos> atm personally I'd get in kickoff and forget katapult :P
[10:56] <apokryphos> it does sums too :D
[10:57] <Tonio_> apokryphos: well I am just packaging it
[10:57] <Tonio_> apokryphos: but it is a pure pain to build it
[10:57] <apokryphos> hm, really? How come?
[10:57] <Tonio_> apokryphos: got something forking?
[10:57] <Tonio_> apokryphos: well I miss a header file and I am completly unable to find it
[10:58] <apokryphos> forking?
[10:58] <kwwii> jpetso: not sure I understand
[10:58] <kwwii> Tonio_: hey man
[10:58] <kwwii> Tonio_: merry christmas
[10:58] <Tonio_> apokryphos: forking what ?
[10:58] <kwwii> Tonio_: long time, no see
[10:58] <kwwii> Tonio_: how are you?
[10:58] <Tonio_> kwwii: yeah I took a break for the vacations :)
[10:58] <apokryphos> Tonio_: "got something forking?" as in, what do you mean there?
[10:59] <Tonio_> kwwii: very nice, with my parents in nantes
[10:59] <kwwii> Tonio_: good for you, I hope it was nice
[10:59] <Tonio_> apokryphos: oups sorry, "working" was the good one :)
[10:59] <Tonio_> kwwii: it is yes, I'll stay there until 02/01
[10:59] <jpetso> kwwii: oh. er. i think i made an error. forget it for now, sorry.
[10:59] <apokryphos> tm_t had it built some time ago IIRC, but he doesn't seem to be around lately
[11:00] <jpetso> kwwii: anyways, i wonder why there are no edit_add and edit_remove icons in kdelibs anymore
[11:01] <jpetso> maybe they were never there and were living in another module
[11:01] <jpetso> er, scrap that
[11:02] <Tonio_> apokryphos: kickoff requires kmenubase.h, which I couldn't find anywhere....
[11:02] <kwwii> jpetso: :-)
[11:02] <kwwii> now you see
[11:03] <jpetso> kwwii: seems i'm slightly puzzled at the moment because there is a plus icon, but not a related minus icon
[11:03] <jpetso> kwwii: and the plus icon is named differently in kdelibs and in Oxygen
[11:07] <kwwii> well, that list is the first of such...so do no expect too much
[11:07] <kwwii> we still have a long way to go
[11:11] <mhb> those battery/ac messages in Edgy/Feisty are provided by guidance-power-manager?
[11:13] <mhb> can we make them translatable?
[11:43] <jpetso> kwwii: i've reviewed the Action icons in the wiki, they should be ok now
[11:47] <kwwii> jpetso: what did you change?
[11:47] <jpetso> kwwii: just a few things, the history is maybe best for the diffs: http://developernew.kde.org/index.php?title=Projects/Oxygen/namingSpec&action=history
[11:48] <kwwii> cool
[11:48] <jpetso> kwwii: seems i don't have an account, maybe i should get one
[11:48] <kwwii> might hellp
[11:49] <kwwii> help
[11:49] <kwwii> anyway
[11:49] <kwwii> time for bed
[11:49] <kwwii> see you soon I hope
[11:50] <jpetso> kwwii: sure