[12:14] <mgastkn> Sanne, I opened Apt
[12:14] <Sanne> mgastkn: take care, it's apt (Linux is case sensitive) ;). Now find the file sources.list, click on it, then click on open.
[12:14] <Ricardo_Ram> #opensuse
[12:15] <mgastkn> Sanne, it's the edgy distribution
[12:15] <lupine_85> !info iceweasel edgy
[12:15] <ubotu> Package iceweasel does not exist in edgy
[12:15] <mgastkn> Sanne, I clicked on the soruces list
[12:15] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this website = http://www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:15] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this website = http://www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:15] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this website = http://www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:16] <Sanne> mgastkn: ah! For your information, you just opened the file where the software repositories are managed, from where your system knows to download and install packages.
[12:16] <DaSkreech> Ricardo_Ram: Good idea Write to them
[12:16] <mgastkn> Sanne, does that info I gave you help?
[12:16] <Ricardo_Ram> DaSkreech I did it already.
[12:17] <mgastkn> Sanne, it also says this will not get any updates from Ubuntu. That doesn't sound good.
[12:17] <DaSkreech> Ricardo_Ram: :-)
[12:17] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this website = http://www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:17] <Bubba_Gump> anyway of showing artist types in amarok in a cloud view?
[12:18] <Sanne> mgastkn: keep your sources.list open, then I can have a look at it later. Now, let's go back to the system settings.
[12:18] <DaSkreech> Ricardo_Ram: That's not going to help you as much as getting someone to blog about it
[12:18] <DaSkreech>  That means you are going to need some seriours reasons and a path to how to get itto work
[12:18] <DaSkreech> Ricardo_Ram: Plus you can get most Quicktiem stuff working on Linux already
[12:19] <DaSkreech> It's why ICQ will not make a linux client. There are too many good ones already
[12:19] <mgastkn> Sanne, I closed it by accident
[12:19] <Sanne> mgastkn: kwrite or system settings?
[12:19] <mgastkn> Sanne, I'm back in system settings
[12:19] <LjL> Ricardo_Ram: not again. thanks.
[12:19] <mgastkn> Sanne, I closed kwrite
[12:19] <brandon_> DaSkreech: it didn't compile correctly!
[12:20] <Sanne> mgastkn: ok. Can you find some button at the top or bottom where it says "advanced" or the like?
[12:20] <Sanne> mgastkn: in system settings
[12:20] <DaSkreech> brandon_: the repos on the Win site should have 64 bit wine
[12:20] <mgastkn> Sanne, advanced, yes
[12:20] <brandon_> DaSkreech: can you tell me which repo to add?
[12:20] <mgastkn> Sanne, yes
[12:21] <Sanne> mgastkn: look if you find the login manager there
[12:21] <mgastkn> Sanne, do I need to go into adminstrator mode. I don't see it yet
[12:21] <just-this-time> hi have additional space on /media/sdb3 writable to root only
[12:21] <DaSkreech> brandon_: oh! maybe ask in #winehq They could tell you if there is a feisty repo up already
[12:22] <just-this-time> how to chmod +w whole tree?
[12:22] <mgastkn> Sanne, I clicked on the login manager!
[12:22] <brandon_> how does nobody in this chat room know
[12:22] <Sanne> mgastkn: cool! Now go to the convenience tab.
[12:22] <mgastkn> Sanne, I'm there
[12:23] <mefisto__> does anyone know how to enable sound when playing .3gp video files
[12:23] <mgastkn> Sanne, should I go to adminstrator mode?
[12:23] <Sanne> mgastkn: it's disabled, isn't it? Now you need to click the administrator button.
[12:23] <brandon_> DaSkreech: no luck!
[12:23] <Sanne> yeah ;)
[12:23] <claydoh> brandon_:  wine's version in feisty is only a couple of weeks old, I suggest disabling the added repo
[12:23] <DaSkreech> they don't know or they don't have one?
[12:23] <just-this-time> !patience
[12:23] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:23] <DaSkreech> !info wine
[12:23] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.22-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 9001 kB, installed size 42452 kB
[12:23] <claydoh> ansd using the one in the standard repos
[12:24] <claydoh> but i am not familiar with x64
[12:24] <brandon_> claydoh: which repo should I be adding then?
[12:24] <mgastkn> Sanne, it's not letting me type a password. Can you believe this!
[12:24] <claydoh> brandon_: none
[12:24] <mgastkn> Sanne, it worked that time
[12:24] <claydoh> its already there, prob in universe/multiverse
[12:24] <brandon_> than why is there not a wine package
[12:24] <claydoh> 'io think
[12:25] <DaSkreech> brandon_: You have universe already
[12:25] <just-this-time> brandon enable universe multiverse and restricted
[12:25] <Sanne> mgastkn: sometimes the password input box doesn't appear, if so, just try again.
[12:25] <brandon_> claydoh: why can't I find it
[12:25] <claydoh> its httere
[12:25] <DaSkreech> !info wine feisty
[12:25] <brandon_> DaSkreech: yes
[12:25] <Sanne> mgastkn: ok
[12:25] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.27-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9322 kB, installed size 43384 kB
[12:25] <claydoh> I have it
[12:25] <mgastkn> Sanne, should I check auto-login?
[12:25] <DaSkreech> brandon_: It's there
[12:25] <just-this-time> mgastkn: sure
[12:25] <brandon_> is it called libwine?
[12:25] <mgastkn> Sanne, I clicked it and APPLY
[12:25] <DaSkreech> No Just wine
[12:25] <Sanne> mgastkn: that I don't know, because I didn't try it myself. Maybe now is a good time to click on the help button.
[12:26] <brandon_> DaSkreech: yeah, It's not there!
[12:26] <Pirate-king> hello
[12:26] <Sanne> mgastkn: man, you're hasty ;)
[12:26] <Pirate-king> how do you set up wireless is kubuntu?
[12:26] <DaSkreech> brandon_: from the command line can you type <apt-cache policy wine> for me?
[12:26] <brandon_> wine:
[12:26] <brandon_>   Installed: (none)
[12:26] <brandon_>   Candidate: (none)
[12:26] <brandon_>   Version table:
[12:27] <mgastkn> Sanne, I'm sorry.
[12:27] <brandon_> is it because I am on 64?
[12:27] <Sanne> mgastkn: well, so now would be the time to try it out, eh? I hope it works! Log out, see if it does?
[12:27] <DaSkreech> Don't know much about Wine and 64
[12:28] <Sanne> mgastkn: or read help before that
[12:28] <mgastkn> Sanne, there is also an "enable password-less logins
[12:28] <brandon_> there isn't a 64bit wine, I know that, but why isn't a 32bit package listing with search?
[12:28] <Sanne> mgastkn: I see, and that's what I don't know, which to choose.
[12:28] <Sanne> mgastkn: tip!
[12:28] <mgastkn> Sanne, it list a buch of things to check, including my name.
[12:29] <Sanne> mgastkn: with SHIFT-F! you can get context help for some options.
[12:29] <mgastkn> My name is there. It's my login
[12:29] <brandon_> DaSkreech: there isn't a 64bit wine, I know that, but why isn't a 32bit package listing with search?
[12:29] <doppelganger_> Hi guys. Are there ways to increase your throughput in kubuntu? I can download a file on it, from a certain mirror, and only get like 50kb/s tops, and on my windows machine in the other room i get around 200kb/s
[12:29] <Sanne> mgastkn: really, I see that also, but I don't know. The help should tell you, or somebody else who knows.
[12:29] <chris_> Hey
[12:29] <DaSkreech> brandon_: You may have to do it from a 32bit chroot
[12:29] <chris_> can I get some help on erasing my boot record
[12:30] <brandon_> wth dude
[12:30] <DaSkreech> !64
[12:30] <doppelganger_> same mirror, nothing different with router, etc  (i'm not networking stupid, just can't understand what's up with this since i'm new to linux)
[12:30] <mgastkn> Sanne, I think it will work now. I'm tempted to reboot.
[12:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:30] <brandon_> that sounds too complicated
[12:30] <Pirate-king> is there a way to use a wired and wifi connection at the same time?
[12:30] <DaSkreech> !chroot
[12:30] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[12:30] <Sanne> mgastkn: if it doesn't work, don't blame me ;)
[12:30] <chris_> can I get some help on erasing my boot record
[12:30] <chris_> anyone?
[12:30] <DaSkreech> brandon_: that should help
[12:31] <Sanne> mgastkn: if it does, please come back and tell me, ok?
[12:31] <chris_> cause Im trying to duel boot and I need to clean my MBR in order to what I want
[12:31] <mgastkn> Sanne, I'm restrting the computer
[12:31] <AngryElf> anyone know why the tracks that I have tagged in amarok no longer have tags in itunes?
[12:31] <Sanne> mgastkn: ok, see you in a bit
[12:31] <mgastkn> Sanne, I'm talking to you on my laptop
[12:31] <chris_> Hello?
[12:31] <Sanne> mgastkn: ah! ok.
[12:31] <chris_> can I get some help on erasing my boot record
[12:31] <chris_> cause Im trying to duel boot and I need to clean my MBR in order to what I want
[12:31] <chris_> ...
[12:32] <chris_> ?
[12:32] <mgastkn> Sanne, Kubuntu is loading. We'll know soon
[12:32] <mefisto__> chris_: you need to clean your MBR in order to...?
[12:32] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:32] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:32] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:32] <mgastkn> Sanne, it appears to be working
[12:32] <Sanne> mgastkn: phew!
[12:32] <DaSkreech> !grub | chris_
[12:32] <ubotu> chris_: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:32] <chris_> install windows and then install kubuntu so i can duel boot
[12:32] <Sanne> mgastkn: you ended up choosing auto login, didn't you?
[12:33] <mgastkn> Sanne, you did it! I wouldn't blame you, but I WILL give you the credit
[12:33] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:33] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:33] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:33] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:33] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:33] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:33] <Sanne> mgastkn: you're welcome. May I ask you to do something now, for all my help? ;)
[12:33] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:33] <mgastkn> Sanne, I did choose auto-login, and also selected my name
[12:33] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:33] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:33] <brandon_> DaSkreech: why is the package libwine a "break"
[12:33] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:33] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:33] <mgastkn> Sanne, sure
[12:34] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:34] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:34] <just-this-time>  guys pls help  spread http://cargol.net/~ramon/ubuntu-dvd-en
[12:34] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:34] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:34] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:34] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:34] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:35] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:35] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:35] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:35] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:35] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:35] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:35] <mindspin> !ops
[12:35] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind or trappist
[12:35] <just-this-time> Ricardo_Ram:         ???
[12:35] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:35] <Ricardo_Ram> v
[12:35] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:35] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:35] <mgastkn> Sanne, what do you need
[12:35] <Ricardo_Ram> v
[12:35] <DaSkreech> !kops
[12:35] <Ricardo_Ram> Suggest to Apple to create a QuickTime version for Linux in this web site www.apple.com/quicktime/feedback/
[12:35] <chris_> cause Im trying to duel boot and I need to clean my MBR in order to what I want
[12:35] <Sanne> mgastkn: ok, since you seem to need to get up to speed on the linux fundamentals, I highly recommend reading the kubuntu desktop guide you'll find in kde menu->help. And also the FAQ, Documentation and Wiki on http://kubuntu.org/ should help you. See it as a kind of homework ;)
[12:35] <chris_> can I get some help on erasing my boot record
[12:35] <just-this-time> kick this ricardo now
[12:35] <just-this-time> OK
[12:36] <just-this-time> geia sou apokryphos
[12:36] <DaSkreech> brandon_: it relies on something that either can't be installed or is itself broken
[12:36] <apokryphos> hi
[12:36] <DaSkreech> chris_:
[12:36] <DaSkreech> I gave you alink already
[12:36] <LjL> !ops
[12:36] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind or trappist
[12:36] <apokryphos> LjL: ?
[12:36] <DaSkreech> LjL: Late :)
[12:36] <LjL> ops: sorry, nevermind
[12:36] <LjL> i had my window scrolled up :(
[12:36] <brandon_> DaSkreech: oh, meaning it's in development possibly?
[12:36] <galego> alguem fala portugues?
[12:36] <LjL> !pt | galego
[12:36] <ubotu> galego: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[12:36] <DaSkreech> !grub | chris_ please read this
[12:36] <ubotu> chris_ please read this: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:36] <just-this-time>  guys pls help  spread http://cargol.net/~ramon/ubuntu-dvd-en
[12:36] <mgastkn> Sanne, I will read it. Right now it's updating a bunch of files. Interesting, to use the adept updater, I needed to enter my password. Maybe I should go back and check everything, not just my name
[12:36] <just-this-time> apokryphos: is my above line spam ?
[12:37] <apokryphos> just-this-time: not spam; just English only in here. Join us in #ubuntu-gr if you like
[12:37] <mefisto__> does anyone know how to enable sound when playing .3gp video files?
[12:37] <just-this-time> apokryphos: i just thought if more ppl get chunks from http://cargol.net/~ramon/ubuntu-dvd-en
[12:38] <Sanne> mgastkn: you always will need to provide your password for installing software, that's one of the tasks you can only do as administrator. Have fun, read the fine docs ;), and if you get stuck, we're here to help :)
[12:38] <just-this-time> it will get more responsive
[12:38] <apokryphos> ok, but note:
[12:38] <apokryphos> !repeat
[12:38] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[12:38] <mgastkn> Sanne, it's loading up a bunch of updates. I guess that's pretty cool.
[12:38] <just-this-time> sure apokryphos tyvm
[12:39] <Sanne> mgastkn: yeah, that's one of the awesome things the debian/ubuntu/kubuntu package manager does for us.
[12:39] <just-this-time> btw know of any other similar ubuntu dvd burn links ?
[12:39] <Pirate-king> can someone help me install jave in kubuntu?
[12:39] <Pirate-king> can someone help me install java in kubuntu?
[12:39] <just-this-time> what is jave?
[12:40] <Pirate-king> java
[12:40] <DaSkreech> !java
[12:40] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[12:40] <brandon_> DaSkreech: oh, meaning it's in development possibly?
[12:40] <apokryphos> Pirate-king: take a look at the FAQ (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions) as linked to in the channel /topic
[12:40] <DaSkreech> brandon_: I forget :) what are we talking about?
[12:40] <just-this-time> jave not in ubuntu -main-edgy-packages
[12:40] <DaSkreech> Wine 64 bit?
[12:40] <brandon_> wine and why i can't install it on
[12:40] <brandon_> yes
[12:40] <Sanne> mgastkn: there was some concern you had about some text in /etc/apt/sources.list, wasn't there?
[12:41] <DaSkreech> I don't think that they have so few headaches to roll into that right now
[12:41] <Stardog> my frostwire wont connetct to the net... y?
[12:41] <mgastkn> Sanne, I don't know enough to have a concern.
[12:41] <DaSkreech> But it's out of my league that's a question for #winehq
[12:41] <brandon_> DaSkreech: how hard is it to chroot 32bit world?
[12:42] <mgastkn> Sanne, right now I'm getting 75 updates. I guess I will be able to tell if openoffice says version 2.1
[12:42] <Sanne> mgastkn: ok
[12:43] <DaSkreech> brandon_: I would suspect that after one or two tries it's trvial
[12:43] <DaSkreech> !chroot | brandon_ may help
[12:43] <ubotu> brandon_ may help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[12:43] <rdarder> How can I configure powersaved to suspend to ram on lid close?
[12:43] <Sanne> mgastkn: hmm, in edgy you only get openoffice 2.0.4
[12:44] <mgastkn> Sanne, yeah, but it can be updated, right? I think it's doing that now.
[12:44] <ctothej> fglrxinfo gives me libmesa details. can someone tell me how to check the simlinks for libGL.so and libGL.so.1 ?
[12:45] <Sanne> mgastkn: no, it won't get a new version, you only get security updates and grave bug fixes.
[12:45] <mgastkn> Sanne, so do I need to uninstall it, and install the latest version?
[12:47] <Sanne> mgastkn: I highly advise against it. Until you're comfortable with Linux/Kubuntu, you better stick with only software from the repositories. You will get new versions of packages when you upgrade in April, if you so choose. To install a newer version of a package not in the repositories requires quite a bit manual work I wouldn't recommend you trying just yet.
[12:48] <mefisto__> does anyone know how to enable sound when playing .3gp video files? This thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1552286#post1552286 says I need to untar a file to the Mplayer-sources/libavcodec/ directory. Where is that directory found?
[12:48] <mgastkn> Sanne, so version 2.1 isn't in the repository yet?
[12:48] <Sanne> mgastkn: it's noe in Edgy, and will never be. It is in the development version that will get released in April.
[12:49] <Sanne> mgastkn: you can search which version of what is where at packages.ubuntu.com
[12:49] <mgastkn> Sanne, that kind of sucks.Maybe I shouldn't have installed Edgy.
[12:50] <mgastkn> Sanne, I might want to install such important software now, if there is a way.
[12:50] <Sanne> mgastkn: *ubuntu is a stable distro, that means, package version won't change once released, until the next stable version that comes out every 6 months.
[12:50] <mgastkn> Sanne, will it be easy to upgrade in April?
[12:51] <mgastkn> Sanne, is edgy considered "stable"?
[12:51] <Sanne> mgastkn: You can install programs manually, I do it all the time with things I absolutely *need* bleeding edge ;). But please familiarize yourself a bit with Kubuntu first, then find some tutorials in the wiki or forums on how to do that.
[12:52] <mefisto__> could someone take a look at this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1552286#post1552286 says I need to untar a file to the Mplayer-sources/libavcodec/ directory. Where is that directory found?
[12:52] <Sanne> mgastkn: yes, edgy is released since late October, so it is stable.
[12:52] <mgastkn> Sanne, ok
[12:52] <Sanne> mgastkn: upgrading in April *should* be painless, *if* you sitck with the official repositories for now. Otherwise it might get tricky.
[12:53] <mgastkn> Sanne, well I do want gmail notifier
[12:53] <genii> stdin How went the herd1 auto-update?
[12:54] <Sanne> mgastkn: hold on a sec, need to get me some coffee quick. Brb.
[12:54] <mgastkn> Saane, ok
[12:57] <rich423> Whats a good brand of printer that goes very well with kubuntu 6.06?
[12:57] <apokryphos> rich423: see linuxprinting.org
[12:57] <apokryphos> !print
[12:57] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[12:57] <apokryphos> and there
[12:57] <rich423> thanks
[12:57] <mefisto__> could someone take a look at this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1552286#post1552286 It says I need to untar a file to the Mplayer-sources/libavcodec/ directory. Where is that directory found?
[12:59] <genii> rich423 I have had good working percentage with HP printers and linux
[01:00] <rich423> thanks all :) you guys are great
[01:00] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: presumably you are supposed to get the mplayer sources first
[01:02] <mefisto__> JohnFlux: meaning I install mplayer sources from adept or synaptic?
[01:02] <JohnFlux> could do, or download it from the mplayer website
[01:02] <cl3m> salut
[01:03] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: hmmmm
[01:03] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: that post is pretty old
[01:03] <Sanne> mgastkn: back
[01:03] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: it's unlikely the patch will work now
[01:04] <mefisto__> JohnFlux: any other suggestions? for some people, installing realplayer enables sound in .3gp files, but didn't work for me
[01:04] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: dunno sorry
[01:04] <mgastkn> Sanne, thanks
[01:05] <mgastkn> Sanne, it still asks me my password for a lot of stuff, including adept and changing the time.
[01:05] <rich423> I'm looking for a good widget for Kubuntu with SuperKaramba, whats the best clock to get? chrome clock doesn't work too well for me
[01:06] <slow-motion> n8
[01:06] <Sanne> mgastkn: yep, youonly disabled the password check for login. For everything else you need to provide it. But usually you don't so many things as admin from day to day.
[01:07] <mgastkn> Sanne, so that's the way it is, huh
[01:07] <Sanne> mgastkn: I don't think you can disable that, Linux is just designed like this.
[01:07] <just-this-time> guys what is an partition imaging package like acronis and ghost ?
[01:08] <mgastkn> Sanne, do you think I will be able to install picasa and gmail notifier?
[01:08] <Sanne> mgastkn: I don't know, never done that. Those are proprietary, yes? Not in the repositories?
[01:08] <just-this-time> mgastkn: depends on google programmers?
[01:08] <BluesKaj> !picasa
[01:08] <ubotu> Picasa from Google can be downloaded in .deb format from: http://picasa.google.com/linux/download.html
[01:09] <mgastkn> Ubotu, but how do you install it?
[01:09] <apokryphos> why would you want to use picasa?
[01:09] <apokryphos> !bot | mgastkn
[01:09] <ubotu> mgastkn: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:09] <Sanne> mgastkn: I would check ubuntuforums.org or the wiki if there are tutorials on howto install those.
[01:09] <apokryphos> digikam is way better than picasa....
[01:10] <BluesKaj> picasa has nice features for editing etc
[01:10] <sonicGB> how does digikam compare to Aperture?
[01:10] <apokryphos> BluesKaj: what like?
[01:11] <BluesKaj> redeyem , brightness and contrast cntls
[01:11] <Sanne> mgastkn: I still recommend sticking to the repositories for the time being and use alternatives to your preferred software, but that's your choice, of course.
[01:12] <Pirate-king> java is essy in ubuntu but not in kubuntu
[01:12] <apokryphos> huh? Sure it is
[01:12] <apokryphos> BluesKaj: digikam has all of those
[01:12] <apokryphos> and does them very well
[01:12] <Pirate-king> tring to install it to run in firefox
[01:12] <apokryphos> and looks pretty while doing it, unlike picasa's bad wine port over :P
[01:13] <apokryphos> Pirate-king: easy
[01:13] <apokryphos> Pirate-king: take a look at the FAQ (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions) as linked to in the channel /topic
[01:13] <genii> mgastkn You can install any .deb file with dpkg -i </path/to/packagename/package.deb>
[01:15] <mgastkn> Sanne, I installed picasa. Amazing. I gotta go now. But I want to let you know that I consider you a friend
[01:15] <apokryphos> mgastkn: use digikam :P
[01:15] <Sanne> mgastkn: coll, congrats, and thanks :)
[01:15] <mgastkn> bye
[01:15] <Sanne> bye
[01:20] <just-this-time> where do I tell ubuntu what lang to use for upper ascii AKA non-unicode
[01:21] <gon> !mp3
[01:21] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:21] <gon> !ati
[01:21] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:25] <genii> Anyone successfully compiled Conexant HSF/HCF modem drivers under Edgy yet?
[01:26] <just-this-time> genii: I have one PC not recognizing the conexant modem
[01:26] <just-this-time> on the todo list genii ;-)
[01:27] <genii> just-this-time The drivers compile successfully on Dapper but not yet Edgy
[01:27] <just-this-time> I see
[01:28] <devinus> hi, i deleted the /usr/share/icons/Crystal directory and did an apt-get remove kde-icons-crystal && apt-get install kde-icons-crystal, but it's not showing up any more on System Settings -> Appearance -> Icons
[01:28] <HailandKill> Right... I usually use Gentoo and Gnome, but I'm setting up a Kubuntu machine for someone and I'm struggling to use Adept..At the moment, I only want to install firefox (preferably firefox 2.0) but the adept Installer has it blanked out
[01:30] <rich423> how do I uninstall Crystal Calendar from superkaramba, the uninstall button is faded
[01:30] <rich423> its not acting like the other gadgets in superkaramba where I can just click and uninstall
[01:31] <DaSkreech> Can I terminate a shutdown?
[01:31] <Pirate-king> does someone want to help me install java
[01:31] <Pirate-king> apt-get install jre-1_5_0_10-linux-i586
[01:31] <Pirate-king> tried that
[01:31] <Pirate-king> in a terminal
[01:31] <fdoving> !java | pirate-king
[01:31] <ubotu> pirate-king: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[01:31] <DaSkreech> Pirate-king: Did you add the right repos?
[01:31] <just-this-time> just when terminate the shutdown
[01:32] <HailandKill> what does it mean when a package is greyed out in adept?
[01:33] <genii> HailandKill It means in your current list of repositories the package is referred to by other packages for instance but not directly available
[01:34] <DaSkreech> just-this-time: Sorry?
[01:34] <HailandKill> genii, right... so I need to look at my repository file no doubt.
[01:34] <HailandKill> Where do they live?
[01:35] <fdoving> !software | hailandkill
[01:35] <ubotu> hailandkill: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents and !Offline
[01:35] <genii> HailandKill Yes, make sure each line beginning with "deb" is uncommented (except the cdrom entry) and that at the end of each deb line the entries universe and multiverse appear
[01:35] <Borgus> !Packages
[01:35] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[01:36] <just-this-time> DaSkreech> Can I terminate a shutdown? <---- <just-this-time> just when terminate the shutdown
[01:36] <ctothej> why does konversation auto start when i log in to kde?
[01:36] <DaSkreech> just-this-time: Before the computer shuts down of course :)
[01:36] <HailandKill> genii, thanks. Do I need to run any command to update apt after that, or will it all be okay with life?
[01:36] <fdoving> ctothej: you probably left it running when you logged out.
[01:36] <genii> HailandKill Then do "sudo apt-get update" in a console to get an updated list
[01:36] <HailandKill> Ta.
[01:36] <fdoving> ctothej: sessions are autosaved.
[01:37] <fdoving> nite all.
[01:37] <DaSkreech> niught
[01:37] <cathal> ctothej: cause it was still in the start menu when u shutdown
[01:37] <DaSkreech> night
[01:37] <just-this-time> DaSkreech: do   you know what app   will stay and what is out. what is the use to stop shutdown? save time ?
[01:37] <genii> HailandKill The repository list text file is of course /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:37] <ctothej> cathal: start menu meaning system tray?
[01:37] <DaSkreech> just-this-time: sometimes I accidently hit the power button
[01:37] <cathal> ctothej: yep
[01:38] <DaSkreech> I can pause the shutdown but how do I terminate it?
[01:38] <ctothej> cathal: k cool. thanks.
[01:38] <just-this-time> haha DaSkreech cover it or take it out
[01:39] <DaSkreech> What process should I look for?
[01:39] <just-this-time> how do u pause
[01:39] <DaSkreech> just-this-time: If I have a OO.o or a kate open where I haven't saved it stops
[01:39] <just-this-time> you know init is the root process DaSkreech
[01:39] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[01:39] <just-this-time> I see DaSkreech
[01:40] <just-this-time> shutdown is a init 6 or init 0 command
[01:40] <DaSkreech> Right
[01:40] <DaSkreech> can I do a init 2 in the middle of an init 0?
[01:41] <just-this-time> CTRL- esc brings you processtable window
[01:41] <DaSkreech> Yes
[01:42] <just-this-time> DaSkreech: maybe studying what signals to send to init is the clue
[01:42] <DaSkreech> Yes I'd love to find out how the APCI stuff is implemented
[01:42] <MrVincent> Hey guys
[01:43] <just-this-time> go to processtable ( ctrl esc) tree v iew DaSkreech and right button init
[01:43] <DaSkreech> Isn't shutdown a command?
[01:44] <just-this-time> proceses send each other signals
[01:44] <MrVincent> I'm having problems with my Kubuntu, I,m still on the Live CD, I can connect to the Wireless Network and view pages on the other comps apache servers but not google. I can load LAN pages but not WAN. Anyone knows what's happening?
[01:44] <genii> I think init6 is reboot
[01:44] <just-this-time> genii:  exactly right
[01:44] <just-this-time> space in between
[01:45] <MrVincent> Anyone can help?
[01:47] <DaSkreech> MrVincent: You don't have a gatewy
[01:47] <MrVincent> And how do I get one?
[01:47] <DaSkreech> do you know what your gateway should be?
[01:47] <MrVincent> The router?
[01:48] <MrVincent> I'm quite new to Linux you see...
[01:48] <mxwlpxwl> hello i have an intel pro wireless 3945 abg that is recognized by kubuntu, but i cannot connect to any access points. there is no encryption, but i don't know why i can't connect
[01:49] <mxwlpxwl> any suggestions?
[01:51] <DaSkreech> MrVincent: I meant the ip address :)
[01:52] <MrVincent> The router's ip?
[01:52] <MrVincent> The kubuntu comp's ip is 192.168.2.11
[01:52] <MrVincent> The router is 192.168.2.1
[01:52] <genii> MrVincent So your gateway should be 192.168.2.1
[01:52] <DaSkreech> MrVincent: ok from the command line type route
[01:53] <genii> DaSkreech Ah I see you are on the job :)
[01:53] <MrVincent> I typed route
[01:53] <DaSkreech> Do you see 192.168.2.1 there?
[01:53] <MrVincent> default 192.168.2.1 yeh
[01:54] <genii> Hmm DNS
[01:54] <MrVincent> There's also a destination named 192.168.2.0 with no gateway
[01:56] <DaSkreech> MrVincent: can you ping 194.9.77.5
[01:57] <MrVincent> Yeah... And it won't stop pinging
[01:58] <MrVincent> How do I stop the pinging??
[01:58] <DaSkreech> Ctrl +C
[01:58] <DaSkreech> ok now ping mba4.org
[01:59] <MrVincent> unknown host mba4.org
[01:59] <DaSkreech> Excellent :)
[01:59] <genii> DNS
[01:59] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[01:59] <DaSkreech> genii You have a DNS Ip address handy?
[01:59] <rich4324> whats a good clock I can install for dapper?
[02:00] <MrVincent> DNS... What am I supposed to do now?
[02:00] <genii> DaSkreech Yeah try core arpa dns at 10.0.0.1
[02:01] <gon> !ati
[02:01] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:01] <DaSkreech> MrVincent: Press Alt+tab and type Sys then enter
[02:01] <MrVincent> in the console?
[02:02] <DaSkreech> MrVincent: no just press alt+space
[02:02] <DaSkreech> Wait I said Alt+tab didn't i?
[02:02] <MrVincent> yeah
[02:02] <DaSkreech> ok System Settings came up?
[02:03] <genii> MrVincent what country are you in? I can try to find some DNS near you
[02:03] <MrVincent> yueah
[02:03] <MrVincent> I'm in Canada
[02:03] <MrVincent> Near Ottawa
[02:03] <genii> MrVincent OK hangon :)
[02:03] <MrVincent> But what's t hat DNS thing?
[02:04] <DaSkreech> Ok Network Settings -> Administrtor Mode Button -> Your password -> Domain Name System
[02:04] <DaSkreech> MrVincent: Computers talk to each other by number (ips to be exact) however humans find it much easier to remember names
[02:04] <MrVincent> Yeah I know that
[02:04] <gon> !es
[02:04] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[02:04] <DaSkreech> So they have a name system that turns one into the other
[02:04] <DaSkreech> DNS :)
[02:04] <MrVincent> But why do I need a DNS with Ubuntu?
[02:05] <HailandKill> Which, if any, repository is firefox 2 on?
[02:05] <DaSkreech> Cause you don't like to remember numbers?
[02:05] <DaSkreech> HailandKill: Main
[02:05] <MrVincent> Oh...
[02:05] <DaSkreech> If you are edgy or above
[02:05] <HailandKill> I'm using dapper
[02:05] <DaSkreech> MrVincent: reached the Domain Name System tab ?
[02:05] <MrVincent> Yes
[02:05] <DaSkreech> HailandKill: none
[02:06] <DaSkreech> And it has a red border?
[02:06] <MrVincent> YEah I,m admin in there
[02:06] <DaSkreech> Ok Add the server 200.10.152.232
[02:06] <DaSkreech> save and try go to google
[02:07] <genii> 206.191.0.203 and 206.191.0.139 are magma.ca  core DNS. They are based in Ottawa so you should get good results
[02:07] <DaSkreech> If it works then wait for genii to give you a closer one so that the resolution will be faster
[02:07] <DaSkreech> Or just use those :)
[02:07] <DaSkreech> You can add them above mine
[02:08] <MrVincent> I add the server with that Add button at the bottom or with the form there?
[02:08] <MrVincent> static hosts or domain name servers?
[02:08] <MrVincent> DNS I guess :)
[02:10] <genii> domain name servers. Under static hosts you could add 127.0.0.1 however
[02:10] <MrVincent> And what are those 2 boxes at the top?
[02:10] <MrVincent> I added 206.191.0.203 to the big box and then did apply
[02:11] <MrVincent> zomg it works
[02:11] <MrVincent> Now I'd like to know how adding magma.ca's core dns helped
[02:11] <MrVincent> What did that do?
[02:11] <genii> HailandKill FF2 is still beta so not in repo yet
[02:11] <MrVincent> I'm installing Linux to learn yanno :P
[02:11] <HailandKill> genii, I was just told it was in edgy main?
[02:12] <matthew_> genii, have a good christmas?
[02:12] <bluezy> hey hey hey, question, what tool do I use to update the menu's in KDE with programs I installed?
[02:13] <apokryphos> it is up-to-date
[02:13] <ubuntu> Hi
[02:14] <bluezy> apokryphos, no it is not, I installed software and I can not get it in my menu's
[02:14] <apokryphos> "software"?
[02:14] <ubuntu> I have just installed Kubuntu 6.10 on my desktop PC
[02:14] <genii> HailandKill it may have recently been added... try something like apt-cache search firefox    and hopefully it will show version in the results
[02:14] <ubuntu> Kubuntu by default uses anti aliasing
[02:14] <pluto> Why do I have a 4.5 gb ISO that k3b won't burn to a 4.7 gb dv?
[02:14] <pluto> d
[02:14] <genii> matthew_ Yes it was good :)
[02:15] <bluezy> apokryphos, yes, take for instance I install a little thing called apt-update or such
[02:15] <ubuntu> I installed MS Core fonts but some Verdana characters look very bad when anti aliasing is off
[02:15] <pluto> Can I tell K3B To force fit it or something?
[02:15] <unix_infidel> anyone know of a cross platform program that can split audio files and use FLAC?
[02:15] <ubuntu> I have uploaded a screenshot to http://files.myopera.com/behrangsa/files/verdana1.png
[02:15] <apokryphos> bluezy: not sure what that is, but I'm sure it wouldn't go into the menus. Apt is a CLI tool
[02:16] <ubuntu> could someone please take a look at the screenshot and let me know if this is a known problem?
[02:16] <genii> matthew_ You caught me just as I am leaving work. I will return in about 45 minutesd from home however
[02:16] <bluezy> well, ok I install opera and my menu's don't chance
[02:16] <ubuntu> Especially N and W are problematic
[02:16] <matthew_> genii, k, see you later
[02:16] <matthew_> pluto, you probably have the dvd-iso
[02:16] <genii> See everyone ~45 mins
[02:17] <pluto> But shouldn't it fit?
[02:17] <apokryphos> bluezy: opera doesn't come from the ubuntu repositories
[02:17] <apokryphos> i.e.
[02:17] <apokryphos> !info opera
[02:17] <bluezy> apokryphos, care I do not
[02:17] <ubotu> Package opera does not exist in any distro I know
[02:17] <matthew_> pluto, oh, sorry, I didn't read all the way through
[02:17] <crimsun> !info opera dapper-commercial
[02:17] <ubotu> opera: The Opera Web Browser. In component main, is optional. Version 9.00-20060616.7 (dapper-commercial), package size 5415 kB, installed size 12376 kB (Only available for i386)
[02:17] <apokryphos> I see
[02:17] <matthew_> pluto, what message are you getting from k3b?
[02:17] <crimsun> note that opera.com distributes newer debs.
[02:17] <bluezy> Ubugtu, bull, get the commercial in your thing.
[02:17] <pluto> Data will not fit
[02:17] <apokryphos> bluezy: I don't care if you care. I'm telling you why it may not have a menu item.
[02:18] <matthew_> ubuntu, what's the problem? the noggler woogler thing?
[02:18] <ubuntu> matthew_: yes
[02:18] <pluto> Error: The data will not fit on the disc
[02:18] <matthew_> pluto, hmmm, I don't have a dvd-burner...so I can't really test it on my own...let me google around, k?
[02:18] <bluezy> apokryphos, ok, tell me how I can put it in there, please?
[02:18] <ubuntu> the first 3 font sizes
[02:19] <ubuntu> N and W look ugly
[02:19] <apokryphos> bluezy: edit the menu by right-clicking on it
[02:19] <pluto> k, thx matthew_
[02:19] <matthew_> ubuntu, I think that's just the way it is...I could be wrong though...
[02:19] <rich4324> is there a better version of kroller? when I install kroller.sez on 6.06 dapper it has major graphics lag for some reason and doesn't match my screen resolution, any ideas?
[02:19] <MrVincent> Hey, can I decide in Kubuntu's installation which disk I want to format or will both be formatted?
[02:20] <bluezy> apokryphos, you mean kde still does not have the auto adding of software?  Sorry, I am going back to gnome.
[02:20] <apokryphos> bluezy: you obviously completely missed the whole point here
[02:20] <ubuntu> matthew_: I can upload the Verdana fonts... Could you downled them and test them with your setyp?
[02:20] <apokryphos> bluezy: the opera deb you had probably didn't put in a menu item; the problem is the package, not KDE.....
[02:21] <daniel77> hiho
[02:21] <daniel77> hey friends, i need reposites for synaptic...
[02:21] <daniel77> have you got a good one?
[02:21] <bluezy> apokryphos, I have a feeling you have missed my point, I asked you if kde had a tool to put non ubuntu software in your menu's, since it hasn't, and I do not want to place them all on here by hand, I am back to gnome, sorry.
[02:21] <apokryphos> daniel77: take a look at the FAQ (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions) as linked to in the channel /topic
[02:22] <apokryphos> bluezy: what other software do you plan on putting it there?
[02:22] <apokryphos> not that I care that much about stopping you from going to gnome. Please, do feel free.
[02:22] <bluezy> I have all sorts of things on my computer, like blender and such
[02:22] <daniel77> mmm userfull ones... i'm seeing anyprogram that help me :D
[02:22] <apokryphos> !info blender
[02:22] <ubotu> blender: Very fast and versatile 3D modeller/renderer. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.42a-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 6104 kB, installed size 16072 kB
[02:23] <apokryphos> blender should be in your menu
[02:23] <MrVincent>  Hey, can I decide in Kubuntu's installation which disk I want to format or will both be formatted?
[02:23] <bluezy> strange, I can not find it.
[02:23] <apokryphos> I'm sure gnome has no more of an "automatic tool" for menu items than KDE does
[02:23] <Theory> MrVincent: when I installed edgy a week ago I was given a choice
[02:23] <apokryphos> in fact, gnome didn't even have a decent menu editor until pretty reasonably recently
[02:23] <MrVincent> kk
[02:24] <data_> alguem ai manja de kubuntu
[02:24] <Schuenemann[BRB] > !br | data_
[02:24] <ubotu> data_: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[02:25] <bluezy> apokryphos, well, perhaps I am mistaken but Iseel ti remember it did do it quicker.
[02:25] <rich4324> is there a better program then kroller.sez?
[02:26] <apokryphos> what exactly is long about typing two words?
[02:26] <matthew_> pluto, here is the reason you can't burn it. I think.           http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=241141
[02:26] <apokryphos> one for the entry name, one for the command. Doesn't sound so hard.
[02:27] <apokryphos> anyhow, back later
[02:27] <matthew_> pluto, also the solution (maybe): overburn
[02:28] <max_> im getting no sound in firefox, i go to youtube and theres no sound on any videos, no sound on any embedded videos, anyone have this problem and if so how can i fix it?
[02:29] <crimsun> max_: are you using flashplugin-nonfree from -backports?
[02:30] <max_> its always worked before, it jut stopped today, i got my flash fromautomatix
[02:30] <crimsun> erm
[02:30] <crimsun> how does automatix install it?
[02:30] <max_> i dont know
[02:30] <max_> but flash has always worked
[02:30] <max_> untill today
[02:31] <crimsun> and what version of the plugin is active according to about:plugins?
[02:32] <max_> its a firefox problem, i can hear sound in konqueror
[02:32] <Schuenemann> isn't not having root account less safe, in case of having only one account?
[02:32] <crimsun> Schuenemann: it's no more or less safe imo.
[02:32] <Schuenemann> crimsun: I mean if that account's password is stolen, so is root
[02:33] <crimsun> Schuenemann: which is no different from root's password being stolen.
[02:33] <Schuenemann> yeah
[02:33] <crimsun> we can't prevent a person from doing stupid things.
[02:33] <crimsun> we can only attempt to persuade people to follow better security practices.
[02:34] <Schuenemann> but I can't see not having root as a better security practice
[02:34] <crimsun> then activate the root account.
[02:34] <CaBlGuY> greetings and salutations.  o/
[02:34] <Schuenemann> if they share the same password then it can be even worse
[02:35] <matthew_> !sudo | Schuenemann
[02:35] <ubotu> Schuenemann: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:35] <Schuenemann> I already read that
[02:35] <matthew_> !root | Schuenemann
[02:35] <matthew_> !root | Schuenemann
[02:35] <matthew_> hmm
[02:35] <latini> sudo su
[02:35] <matthew_> !root | Schuenemann
[02:35] <matthew_> ok, nvm
[02:35] <CaBlGuY> I've froze up twice in the past couple days and just a short while ago, I rebooted...  any ideas about any bugs n stuff??
[02:35] <crimsun> Schuenemann: it's no worse and no better.
[02:36] <Schuenemann> then why it's different?
[02:36] <crimsun> again, it's not a matter of "worse" or "better".
[02:36] <CaBlGuY> *rebooted unwillingly..
[02:36] <matthew_> CaBlGuY, could be a RAM problem.
[02:36] <CaBlGuY> Mathew
[02:36] <gon> !xorg
[02:36] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:36] <crimsun> if you're silly enough to use weak passwords, then it has nothing to do with whether sudo or su is used.
[02:36] <latini> alguem fala portugues?
[02:36] <matthew_> CaBlGuY, check out memtest86 to test your RAM
[02:36] <gon> !pt
[02:36] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[02:36] <CaBlGuY> ok..
[02:36] <daniel77> alguien que ayude en espaol
[02:36] <daniel77> spanish?
[02:36] <Sanne> night all
[02:36] <Schuenemann> !es | daniel77
[02:36] <ubotu> daniel77: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[02:37] <latini> suport for Kubutu in portgues ?
[02:37] <Schuenemann> !br | latini
[02:37] <ubotu> latini: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[02:37] <CaBlGuY> what about any issues with Nvidea drivers..  I saw somethihng about that not to long ago..
[02:37] <matthew_> CaBlGuY, whoops, I meant memtest86+
[02:37] <Schuenemann> crimsun: this is in that sudoroot website:
[02:37] <Schuenemann> It avoids the "I can do anything" interactive login by default -you will be prompted for a password before major changes can happen, which should make you think about the consequences of what you are doing.
[02:37] <matthew_> CaBlGuY, I don't know anything about nvidia drivers...
[02:37] <matthew_> lol
[02:37] <crimsun> Schuenemann: sure.
[02:37] <CaBlGuY> Hmmm
[02:37] <latini> uboto: entedi . mas la ele ajudam kubuntu ou so unbutu ?
[02:38] <Schuenemann> the model that uses root does that too
[02:38] <CaBlGuY> lemme check the ram although, IM pretty sure it's fine..
[02:38] <CaBlGuY> brb
[02:38] <matthew_> latini, ubotu es un roboto.
[02:38] <gon> latini: ubotu is a bot
[02:38] <crimsun> Schuenemann: I have no idea why you're attempting to discuss this. The developers have made up their minds.
[02:38] <latini> ok
[02:38] <gon> you can ask for help in anu channel about Kubuntu or Ubuntu
[02:38] <matthew_> Schuenemann, it also reduces the chance of you leaving a root terminal open.
[02:38] <daniel77> thy
[02:38] <daniel77> !esp
[02:38] <daniel77> !esp
[02:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about esp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:38] <daniel77> !es
[02:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about esp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:38] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[02:39] <Schuenemann> well, nevermind
[02:39] <matthew_> latini, necesitas ir al #kubuntu-es
[02:39] <matthew_> latini, como esta: /join #kubuntu-es
[02:39] <daniel77> m
[02:39] <KChatter> Hi. I want to know whether or not I should upgrade to Feisty Fawn when it comes out in April. What's the difference between Feisty and Kubuntu Edgy?
[02:41] <novalis> iwconfig says i'm connected to my wifi network. why does /proc/net/wireless say 0 under link?
[02:41] <KChatter> Hi. I want to know whether or not I should upgrade to Feisty Fawn when it comes out in April. What's the difference between Feisty and Kubuntu Edgy?
[02:42] <KChatter> Is there anyone here that knows about future versions of Kubuntu?
[02:42] <crimsun> please see the wiki.
[02:42] <Linux_Galore> KChatter: whats do you need to know ?
[02:42] <KChatter> Linux_Galore:  Hi. I want to know whether or not I should upgrade to Feisty Fawn when it comes out in April. What's the difference between Feisty and Kubuntu Edgy?
[02:42] <matthew_> KChatter, all I know about feisty is that it will implement the UpStart system of booting, which is supposed to make startup faster.
[02:43] <crimsun> Edgy already uses upstart.
[02:43] <crimsun> please see the wiki; search for feistyreleasenotes
[02:43] <gon> !compile
[02:43] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[02:43] <KChatter> Linux_Galore: ok.
[02:43] <Linux_Galore> KChatter: basically its an update, nothing I would call major
[02:43] <matthew_> crimsun, yeah, but it's implentation in edgy is limited to emulation of the initv system.
[02:44] <crimsun> matthew_: no it's not.
[02:44] <matthew_> crimsun, oh.
[02:44] <crimsun> matthew_: it simply wasn't made manditory (i.e., policy) that main packages using initscripts follow upstart syntax
[02:45] <crimsun> mandatory
[02:45] <matthew_> crimsun, oh, ok
[02:45] <crimsun> sheesh, my typing is out the window
[02:46] <alex_> Hey can somebody tell me ,why when i put apt-get to install my NVidia grafics driver ,it install also new kernel ,and after restart crash my system ???
[02:46] <Linux_Galore> I may wait a bit before updating to feisty for the stable version of kde 4.0 to be optioned
[02:46] <alex_> please help. i'm installing it for a 7th time
[02:47] <fyrmedic> are they timing feist to coincide with KDE 4.0?
[02:47] <alex_> before a month maybe driver was different and it doesen't updates my kernel or wat ?
[02:47] <alex_> it doesen't work !
[02:47] <Linux_Galore> alex_: how to you know its crashed
[02:47] <Linux_Galore> alex_: how so not working
[02:48] <alex_> see ,it's loading something
[02:48] <MrVincent> Hey do you guys think MSI NX7600GS will be supported soon? I can't seem to have it work
[02:48] <Linux_Galore> alex_: do you get the command line
[02:48] <alex_> but it's unusable for me
[02:48] <alex_> yes i get
[02:48] <Linux_Galore> alex_: then its not crashed, thats basically "is linux" the rest is just rubbish on top
[02:49] <alex_> yes i know i understand ,but before a month i just
[02:49] <Vuen> hey guys, how do i configure some of the graphical effects in kde on ubuntu? for example i want to turn off fading menus, etc
[02:49] <alex_> do it in the sam way an
[02:49] <alex_> it was working
[02:49] <Linux_Galore> alex_: swap back to the nv driver by editing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[02:50] <Linux_Galore> alex_: it will boot back to a graphical desktop
[02:50] <alex_> no it isn't
[02:50] <alex_> and it installs new kernel in grub too
[02:50] <alex_> pff
[02:50] <alex_> i'm obssed
[02:50] <Linux_Galore> alex_: you can select the old kernel
[02:50] <Linux_Galore> still
[02:50] <alex_> how
[02:50] <alex_> o yea
[02:51] <gon> !info kcolourpaint
[02:51] <alex_> but and the old giving me a command line
[02:51] <ubotu> Package kcolourpaint does not exist in any distro I know
[02:51] <Linux_Galore> alex_: edit the xorg.conf file
[02:51] <Linux_Galore> alex_: change the driver from nvidia to nv
[02:51] <alex_> ok ,but i need to you Nvidia driver
[02:51] <fyrmedic> alex_, grub gives you the option to choose which kernel you are going to use. just use your down arrow to pick it.
[02:51] <Linux_Galore> alex_: no you dont
[02:52] <alex_> my
[02:52] <Linux_Galore> alex_: there is a default driver called nv
[02:52] <alex_> screen is going 1 inch in right
[02:52] <alex_> if i'm not using this driver
[02:52] <Linux_Galore> alex_: why do I bother telling you anything you just keep telling me whats wrong
[02:52] <alex_> yep
[02:53] <alex_> can you help me or not ?
[02:53] <max_> does anyone else have the problem of firefox not playing sound in flash files
[02:53] <Linux_Galore> alex_: change nvidia driver to nv in the xorg.conf file
[02:53] <alex_> i understand everything what u saying but
[02:53] <alex_> i try it
[02:53] <alex_> i'm  doing it from a 5 hours
[02:53] <Linux_Galore> alex_: nv is the default nvidia driver
[02:53] <alex_> I KNOW
[02:53] <Linux_Galore> for xorg
[02:54] <alex_> it
[02:54] <alex_> writing me no Screen
[02:54] <Linux_Galore> alex_: what nvidia card do you have
[02:54] <killermach> how do I get apt-get to install with no dependencies?  I get this when trying to to apt-get ivtv0.4-utils: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) but 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 is to be installed
[02:54] <alex_> nv 2 mx or something like this
[02:55] <Linux_Galore> alex_: I suspect you installed the 87** driver, it wont work with that card you need the old one
  download .deb file
[02:55] <alex_> and
[02:55] <jlowell> hey folks, dvd drive will not automount... is there anything I can do?
[02:55] <alex_> dpkg -help
[02:55] <Linux_Galore> alex_: wrong driver thats why its jamming
[02:55] <Linux_Galore> alex_: you cant use the "new" driver with such an ancient card
[02:55] <alex_> ok! nice
[02:56] <alex_> how can i install the old one?
[02:56] <Linux_Galore> alex_: edit the xorg.conf file boot back to the desktop by running startx then run adept and intall the old driver
[02:56] <killermach> alex_: thanks.. I'm trying to get a pvr-350 working in ubuntu, being new to debian-ware isn't a plus :)
[02:56] <jerp> it's the nvidia legacy driver
[02:57] <alex_> what's the name
[02:57] <alex_> of driver
[02:57] <jerp> it's the nvidia legacy driver
[02:57] <Linux_Galore> alex_: nvidia-legacy
[02:57] <alex_> what i need to write in apt-get install ???
[02:57] <alex_> E: Couldn't find package nvidia-legacy
[02:57] <alex_> now what ?
[02:58] <Linux_Galore> alex_: your not listening at all are you
[02:58] <Linux_Galore> alex_: third time lucky
[02:58] <alex_> yes i'm listening
[02:58] <Linux_Galore> alex_: edit the xorg.conf file boot back to the desktop by running startx then run adept and intall the old driver
[02:58] <alex_> i'm now on kde ,i boot it normaly.
[02:58] <Linux_Galore> alex_: then just run adept and install the legacy driver
[02:58] <alex_> but my screen is steel one inch in right
[02:59] <alex_> it's ugly !
[02:59] <Linux_Galore> alex_: who cares thats peripheral
[02:59] <alex_> yes but it's 65 Htz
[02:59] <matthew_> alex_, you can change that using the buttons on your monitor!
[02:59] <Linux_Galore> alex_: run adept and install the legacy driver
[02:59] <jlowell> anyone?
[02:59] <alex_> its bad for eyes
[02:59] <Linux_Galore> alex_: run adept and install the legacy driver
[02:59] <jlowell>  dvd drive will not automount... is there anything I can do?
[03:00] <Schuenemann> is there any partition program included in kubuntu? I want to get rid of my suse partition
[03:00] <alex_> i'm runing it
[03:00] <novalis> mitsoya> wims, yes, but usualy an older version.add the winehq repo instead
 hey has anyone tried an alternative to natalius, i think it is a little slow...
 iwconfig says i'm connected to my wifi network. why does /proc/net/wireless say 0 under link?
[03:00] <Linux_Galore> alex_: once thats done check to make sure nv is changed back to nvidia then press ctrl alt backspace
[03:01] <Linux_Galore> alex_: it will work perfectly
[03:01] <Linux_Galore> alex_: did for me :-)
[03:02] <jlowell> hello anyone??
[03:03] <alex_> om i'm now applying changes ,i will write also in xorg.conf
[03:03] <alex_> buttons of my monitor ,yes ... i can change it ,but it's better
[03:03] <Linux_Galore> alex_: yes make sure xorg.conf is set to nvidia for the driver
[03:03] <alex_> to don't do it every time when i boot windows
[03:03] <alex_> yes yes i know
[03:03] <alex_> :)
[03:03] <Linux_Galore> alex_: then just log out and then press ctrl alt backspace
[03:03] <alex_> 10x
[03:03] <alex_> a lot
[03:03] <jlowell> I feel totally invisible
[03:03] <alex_> you r great man
[03:04] <alex_> ok 10q\\
[03:04] <Linux_Galore> jlowell: and
[03:05] <jlowell> and it sucks
[03:05] <Schuenemann> is there any partition program included in kubuntu? I want to get rid of my suse partition
[03:05] <jlowell> hey folks, dvd drive will not automount... is there anything I can do? actually it wont even manually mount unless I reboot the machine with it in the drive
[03:05] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: gparted or qtparted
[03:05] <matthew_> !attitude | jlowell
[03:05] <ubotu> jlowell: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[03:06] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: it is installed by default?
[03:06] <Linux_Galore> jlowell: how do you mean "wont auto mount", is it a data dvd ?
[03:06] <jlowell> Linux_Galore: no it's a movie dvd
[03:06] <Linux_Galore> jlowell: thats an iso you dont mount it
[03:06] <Linux_Galore> jlowell: you just play it
[03:07] <alex_> agaIN problem
[03:07] <alex_> i run it under adept
[03:07] <jlowell> Linux_Galore: ok, in that case, it doesnt play, what I meant I guess is it doesnt show up on the desktop and is un[layable unless I reboot with the dvd in the drive
[03:07] <alex_> and now adept start downloading 1st of
[03:07] <alex_> new different kernel
[03:07] <alex_> my is 2.5.something
[03:07] <Linux_Galore> jlowell: it wont show anything, you just start kaffeine and play it
[03:08] <Linux_Galore> jlowell: its not actually a file system
[03:08] <alex_> and adept downloading for me 2.6.***
[03:08] <jlowell> Linux_Galore: yes I know, it will not play unless I reboot the machine with the dvd in the drive...
[03:08] <Linux_Galore> jlowell: strange
[03:08] <Linux_Galore> jlowell: always unount it  is umount /media/cdrom
[03:09] <Linux_Galore> ie*
[03:09] <jlowell> sorry?
[03:09] <Linux_Galore> jlowell: so if you boot without the dvd on the drive it wont see it ??
[03:10] <Linux_Galore> in*
[03:10] <jlowell> Linux_Galore: thats the only time it sees it, if I put the dvd in after the machine is booted then it will not see it
[03:11] <Linux_Galore> jlowell: well it wont because its not actually a file system
[03:11] <Linux_Galore> jlowell: nothing to mount
[03:11] <jlowell> ... Linux_Galore I didnt say mount... I said see
[03:12] <jlowell> there was a fix for this somewhere where one had to reinstall hal or something
[03:12] <Linux_Galore> jlowell: whats in your fstab file
[03:12] <Schuenemann> is it mandatory to have a swap partition for every linux partition?
[03:12] <Schuenemann> I have suse and kubuntu and only 1 swap
[03:13] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: thats normal
[03:13] <fyrmedic> jlowell: have you tried another app like Totem or others? I haven't had a lot of luck with kaffeine.
[03:13] <Schuenemann> what is normal? not having a swap?
[03:13] <Schuenemann> I don't know whose swap is that
[03:13] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: you really only need one swap partition per machine, even with multiple installs
[03:13] <Schuenemann> hmmm
[03:14] <Schuenemann> how big should it be?
[03:14] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: its just a virtual memory partition
[03:14] <Schuenemann> it has 760 MB
[03:14] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: usually 2.5 times your ram
[03:14] <Schuenemann> I thought I needed that virtual memory for every partition
[03:14] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: no
[03:15] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: it gets flushed when you reboot so why do you need a separate one for each install
[03:15] <Schuenemann> I don't know
[03:16] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: think of swap as "ram", do you need seperate ram for each install ?
[03:16] <Schuenemann> I know what swap is heh
[03:16] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: of course not
[03:16] <Theory> well, if you were to have multiple installs and want to hibernate them...
[03:16] <Schuenemann> I already had that swap when I installed kubuntu
[03:16] <Schuenemann> that's why it didn't ask me to create one?
[03:17] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: suspect that may be true
[03:17] <Schuenemann> ok, thanx
[03:17] <joakim> can anyone help get win32codecs to work?  I've installed but get only sound, no video..
[03:17] <Theory> what codec is the video?
[03:17] <Schuenemann> is it really 2,5 times the ram? if I had 2 GB RAM, I'd need to "waste" 5 GB of my HD?
[03:18] <Linux_Galore> joakim: may be nothing to do with win32codecs
[03:18] <joakim> galore: what then?
[03:18] <Linux_Galore> joakim: win32codecs will only help with "Microsoft codecs" nothing else ie avi has nothing to do with win32codecs
[03:18] <joakim> linux_galore: what then?  not sure where to look
[03:19] <Schuenemann> what were you trying to play?
[03:19] <joakim> oh.... star trek voyager clip...
[03:19] <Linux_Galore> joakim: I dont know what your trying to play
[03:19] <joakim> avi file..
[03:19] <Linux_Galore> joakim: have you installed the avi stuff
[03:20] <Schuenemann> you need libxine-extracodecs, I believe
[03:20] <joakim> linux_galore: avi stuff? dunno, it plays the sound allright. "file blah.avi" says: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 576 x 432, 23.98 fps, video: XviD, audio: Dolby AC3 (stereo, 48000 Hz)
[03:20] <Linux_Galore> joakim: most avi files dont use window codecs
[03:20] <joakim> schuenemann: ok will try that
[03:21] <Linux_Galore> joakim: aaah xvid , nothing to do with windows
[03:21] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: can qtparted be used to merge 2 partitions?
[03:21] <joakim> linux_galore: ok... what do I need to do?
[03:21] <Schuenemann> deleting one of them, of course
[03:21] <Linux_Galore> joakim: what are you using to play the file
[03:22] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: yes
[03:22] <joakim> linux_galore: kaffeine
[03:23] <Linux_Galore> joakim: ok kaffeine by default uses xine so go into adept an install all the xine extra bits, you may also want to install mplayer too so you can swap kaffeine over to mplayer when things dont work (its in the kaffeine settings menu)
[03:24] <Theory> (you may need to enable the multiverse repository)
[03:24] <Linux_Galore> aah yeah
[03:24] <joakim> linux_galore: ok will do, thanks! :-)   (ps. think I tried to install mplayer but couldnt find in adept)
[03:24] <Linux_Galore> joakim: make sure multiverse is enabled
[03:24] <joakim> what is multiverse?
[03:24] <apokryphos> joakim: take a look at the FAQ (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions) as linked to in the channel /topic
[03:24] <Linux_Galore> joakim: optional repository
[03:24] <moparisthebest> is there any way to tell what kind of processor and ram a computer has from the command line?
[03:24] <joakim> ok thanks I'll look it up in the FAQ and see if I can figure it out
[03:24] <Schuenemann> !multiverse
[03:24] <joakim> thanks !!!
[03:24] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:25] <joakim> thanks again!
[03:25] <Linux_Galore> joakim: start adept end then look in -> View -> Manage Repositories
[03:25] <Linux_Galore> and*
[03:26] <Linux_Galore> joakim: look for the multiverse line an enable it
[03:27] <eXCeSS> Bipolar: testing this
[03:27] <eXCeSS> ok works
[03:27] <eXCeSS> swet
[03:28] <Linux_Galore> joakim: make sure libxvidcore is installed
[03:29] <Linux_Galore> joakim: might want to also install vlc that way you have 3 options at least to play files
[03:29] <joakim> linux_galore: ok I'm on it.  there were no multiverse line but I found a universe line and added multiverse after universe
[03:30] <Linux_Galore> joakim: ok add this line in adept
[03:30] <dennister> hey ppl :) my sound is working, but I need someone's help to fully understand it b4 I can go further with surround and voip
[03:31] <Linux_Galore> joakim:  are you on edgy ?
[03:31] <Linux_Galore> joakim: deb    http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu  edgy  universe
[03:32] <genii> Anyone comile Conexant HSF/HCF modem drivers successfully on Edgy yet?
[03:32] <Linux_Galore> joakim: if not change the name edgy to dapper
[03:32] <dennister> anyone for help understanding sound?
[03:32] <Linux_Galore> genii: you mean the restricted none free must pay to use drivers
[03:33] <joakim> linux_galore: It's 6.10 don't know whether that's edgy or dapper
[03:33] <crimsun> dennister: what do you need?
[03:34] <Linux_Galore> joakim: thats edgy, you will see that when you look in the Manager section in adept all the lines have "edgy" on them
[03:34] <dennister> my sound is working fine, but since i plugged in the mike now there's a second sound driver/system
[03:34] <dennister> what should the master of Kmix be set to?
[03:34] <crimsun> dennister: whichever you want.
[03:34] <joakim> ok
[03:34] <crimsun> dennister: your second (mic) is hw:1
[03:34] <|WAL|> having troubles getting perl in apache working, when I load a page, firefox wants to save the page instead of load it
[03:35] <dennister> sorry...wrong question; mixer is set to nvidia, or i can change it to the mike, but there are so many choices underneath...
[03:35] <dennister> i want both systems, nvidia and mike, to work instead of one or the other
[03:35] <crimsun> dennister: so change it to the one you want.
[03:35] <crimsun> dennister: they do both work.
[03:36] <Linux_Galore> |WAL|: thats nothing to do with apache
[03:36] <dennister> if i set it to the mike, then the speakers don't work; if i set it to the speakers, mike doesn't work
[03:36] <|WAL|> Linux_Galore: how so?
[03:36] <genii_> Arg my home connection keeps losing sync tonight. I *need* to switch my upstream provider
[03:36] <Linux_Galore> |WAL|: how firefox deals with set file types is set "in firefox" not apache
[03:37] <genii_> btw Don't pay for DSL from EI Catalyst it sucks :)
[03:37] <dennister> obviously, if i want to use voip, i need both to work
[03:37] <genii_> Linux_Galore There is source code from Mark Boucher (the guy who now runs the "pay for more than 14.4 drivers at linuxant.com" which compiles under dapper. No speed cap. But no compile under Edgy yet
[03:37] <Linux_Galore> |WAL|: firefox will download anything it doesnt know what to do with
[03:37] <genii_> ^ In case it got lost before I boke connection
[03:37] <joakim> linux_galore: it works!!!!!!!! phorking great stuff.  thanks a lot :-)
[03:38] <joakim> linux_galore: I needed xine-extracodecs
[03:38] <|WAL|> Linux_Galore: this problem isn't limited to firefox..
[03:38] <Linux_Galore> |WAL|: of course not
[03:38] <Schuenemann> |WAL|: is the content-type set to html or a format a browser would open?
[03:39] <joakim> good day everyone
[03:39] <dennister> crimsun: they don't both work, it's one or the other only
[03:39] <genii> joakim Have a good one :)
[03:39] <|WAL|> Schuenemann: are you speaking of inside Firefox or Apache?
[03:39] <Schuenemann> apache
[03:40] <|WAL|> Schuenemann: I didn't add anything except the loadmodule directive into apache2.conf
[03:40] <Schuenemann> what are you trying to open?
[03:40] <|WAL|> a .pl page
[03:40] <Linux_Galore> |WAL|: most browser havent got a clue what a pl page is
[03:41] <Schuenemann> I never worked with perl, but every resource that uses HTTP has a content-type which describes what that resource is
[03:41] <BluesKaj> .pl , polish ?
[03:41] <Schuenemann> perl
[03:41] <|WAL|> Schuenemann: is there something I can do on the server side to make it run the script like php?
[03:42] <BluesKaj> perl doesn't tell me much either ...i don't knoe about computer lingos
[03:42] <BluesKaj> know
[03:42] <Linux_Galore> |WAL|: with browser it has to be markup, if not then it depends on either a plugin layer or settings to define how the browser manages that file type
[03:42] <Linux_Galore> |WAL|: basically apache is just a fancy file server
[03:42] <Schuenemann> |WAL|: that would be in the .pl page
[03:43] <genii> OK can some op release nick genii? It is ghosted
[03:43] <|WAL|> I have mod_perl installed.. I was under the understanding that it works like php and runs scripts on the server like .php
[03:43] <Linux_Galore> genii: you can do that yourself
[03:43] <Linux_Galore> genii: enter  /msg nickserv ghost username password
[03:44] <genii> Ah OK
[03:44] <genii> hx
[03:44] <Schuenemann> |WAL|: does that happen with every page?
[03:44] <|WAL|> Schuenemann: every .pl page
[03:45] <Linux_Galore> |WAL|: perl just allows you to glue things together ie mysql with user input etc via apache
[03:45] <Linux_Galore> |WAL|: perl doesnt actually run on the client side, server only
[03:45] <genii> My DSL keeps breaking tonight. I think I will go into work just to avoid banging my head off the wall all night with disconnects
[03:46] <|WAL|> Linux_Galore: I'm aware of that, that's what I'm trying to do.. run it server side
[03:46] <Linux_Galore> |WAL|: if the browser is trying to download the file then its not on the server side
[03:46] <genii> See you all ~30 mins
[03:46] <Schuenemann> |WAL|: java, for example, would have a line like <%@ page contentType="text/html" %>
[03:48] <|WAL|> I'm well aware of how this works, the problem is that I have http://blah.com/blah.pl.. I want the .pl script to run on the server side (it generates markup).... but instead I get the option to save the file as text to the client side
[03:49] <Schuenemann> that should be told in the .pl file
[03:49] <|WAL|> so I guess I need something more or less like this "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3" but for perl
[03:51] <Schuenemann> |WAL|: http://www.httprevealer.com/usage_perl.htm
[03:53] <bruno> How can I Enter to #Progressive Chanel? what i have to do to enter?
[03:53] <Schuenemann>  /join #progressive
[03:53] <bruno> Thanxs
[03:54] <bruno> ok, It works
[03:54] <|WAL|> Schuenemann: that's already in the file
[03:55] <Schuenemann> that's very strange
[03:56] <|WAL|> Schuenemann: here in lies the problem
[03:56] <Schuenemann> it's set to text/html ?
[03:57] <dennister> Linux_Galore: r u busy? u seem to know what ur doing
[03:58] <dennister> i still need help sorting out different sound options :(
[03:58] <crimsun> didn't I explain it?
[03:58] <|WAL|> Schuenemann: yep.. in fact, just to ensure it wasn't my fault, I used the hello world from the example you gave
[03:59] <dennister> crimsun: no, sorry, although i appreciated you trying to help
[03:59] <dennister> the two sound systems do NOT both work, it's one or the other only
[03:59] <crimsun> dennister: if they both work separately, they have to both work simultaneously.
[03:59] <crimsun> there's simply no other way.
[04:00] <Schuenemann> |WAL|: I'm sorry I have no idea... maybe a perl or apache forum would be a better source
[04:00] <dennister> perhaps if I explain this system?
[04:00] <|WAL|> Schuenemann: ok, thanks for trying, I like to check here for stuff because you guys are usually fast, friendly and the best :)
[04:00] <Schuenemann> :D
[04:01] <|WAL|> Schuenemann: ttyl
[04:01] <dennister> when i install, i purposely unplug mike (ak sound system), the onboard 7.1 sound is the nvidia ck804, kmix is best set to ck804
[04:01] <Schuenemann> how do I merge two partitions using qtparted? I have ext3 (the one I'm using) and a free one
[04:01] <Schuenemann> do they need to be "neighbours" ?
[04:02] <dennister> but all i get is stereo, i want to be able to use the mike, but sound recorder doesn't even work, so I'm sure my kmix settings are screwed
[04:02] <dennister> what does pcm do, for instance?
[04:03] <dennister> kmix documentation is very basic...not helping at all
[04:04] <Linux_Galore> dennister: ask away
[04:05] <dennister> i do NOT want to have to swtich the mixer from speakers to mike sound system for voip, as i will need output from speakers (ck804) at the same time as i use mike (ak...), not choosing one or the other
[04:05] <Linux_Galore> dennister: aaah sound, one of my personal hates with Linux
[04:05] <Linux_Galore> dennister: although there is some work being done to fix that
[04:05] <dennister> it's kmix settings that's the problem here :(
[04:06] <Linux_Galore> dennister: kmix is just a front end
[04:06] <Linux_Galore> usually to alsamixer
[04:07] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: hey, can't qtparted create ext3 partitions? I only see ext2 as option
[04:07] <dennister> I feel i should leave the mixer settings to ck804, but get the mike to use that instead of ak......and i should use alsamixer for the onboard nvidia 7.1 sound system
[04:07] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: ext3 is ext3 with journaling
[04:07] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: ext2 is ext3 with journaling
[04:07] <Linux_Galore> lol
[04:07] <Linux_Galore> aaaaaaargh
[04:07] <Linux_Galore> bugger it
[04:07] <Schuenemann> the other way around?
[04:08] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: just set it to ext2
[04:08] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: yeah
[04:08] <Schuenemann> how do I merge partitions anyway? I deleted suse's
[04:08] <dennister> but what about iec958 playback ac97? that's nvdia's software, and what does PCM do?
[04:08] <lotusleaf> Schuenemann: the gparted livecd is nice
[04:08] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: rename both the same
[04:08] <Schuenemann> I would like to merge my ext3 (kubuntu) with that one
[04:09] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: should automatically merge them
[04:09] <Schuenemann> the label?
[04:09] <Linux_Galore> yes
[04:09] <crimsun> dennister: the former is a register switch for the spdif controlling which/whether the pcm or mic is output
[04:09] <crimsun> dennister: the latter is nominally your wave output
[04:09] <crimsun> these abbreviations are on wikipedia.
[04:10] <crimsun> we've also documented them on alsa.opensrc.org
[04:10] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: Im running zfs on my nexenta machine and its funny you can resize merge etc on the fly
[04:10] <Schuenemann> what is zfs?
[04:10] <Schuenemann> that is possible using partition magic in windows
[04:10] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: a file system created by sun
[04:10] <dennister> great PCM=wave, iec958=spdif, which i'm not using at all...great, a link...:) always like more documentation
[04:11] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: 128 bit file system too
[04:11] <crimsun> dennister: of course you're using them both.
[04:11] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: how do I rename?
[04:11] <crimsun> dennister: if they're enumerated, they're there for a reason.
[04:11] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: lots of extra options like data recovery etc
[04:11] <dennister> enumerated? define pls?
[04:11] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: you cant, not supported in Linux yet only in Opensolaris and BSD
[04:12] <Schuenemann> but you just told me renaming would merge them
[04:12] <Linux_Galore> nexenta = opensolaris
[04:12] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: ooh, renaming your partitions should, just name them the same, usually /
[04:12] <Schuenemann> how to name them?
[04:13] <Schuenemann> I don't see that in qtparted
[04:13] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: it should then try merge them realising they are the same name
[04:13] <Schuenemann> that option*
[04:13] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore: but how do I rename?
[04:32] <conn> hi, I'm trying to compile gtk+2, but it's throwing an error with freetype, it hasn't added the include path to /usr/include/freetype2 - but it DOES exist, how can I fix?
[04:47] <kerwonz> how can i enable the synaptics for xorg???
[04:48] <smoothies> kerwonz u want synaptic updater right
[04:48] <smoothies> ur using kubuntu edgy right
[04:49] <smoothies> anyway i think u just do sudo apt-get install synaptics to get synaptics working
[04:50] <smoothies> why is my desktop font, stuff like the word "trash" under the trash icon, all have a thin white border around each letter
[04:54] <dennister> to heck with it, i'm installing more alsaplayers...kmix tells u almost nothing
[04:54] <kerwonz> smoothies: nop, synaptics for touchpad
[04:55] <dennister> oh great...touchpad...i worked so hard to get rid of it :)
[04:55] <tarmath> hello
[04:56] <dennister> kerwonz: have u tried searching in synaptic for the xorg file u need?
[04:56] <tarmath> i have some strange issue with kaffeine... it wont start anymore... and it worked yesterday
[04:57] <tarmath> ok nevermind it started :|
[05:00] <IKE2000> hi!guys merry Christmas to you all
[05:00] <kakalto> merry jingley to you too =)
[05:01] <IKE2000> he he thank
[05:03] <IKE2000> can anyone tell me where i can download software packages for kubuntu
[05:03] <dennister> i don't think i'll ever get this sound stuff sorted out :(
[05:04] <daniel77> how to change kubuntu's language?
[05:04] <daniel77> i want it in spanish :D
[05:06] <IKE2000> will you guys just give me the answer
[05:06] <dennister> IKE2000: K-menu--->system--->synaptic or adept
[05:07] <daniel77> ok i'm adept
[05:07] <dennister> i was typing u know, no need to get impatient so fast
[05:07] <daniel77> as root
[05:07] <daniel77> sorry
[05:07] <IKE2000> okay what if i want to download it sperately not from the adept
[05:07] <dennister> daniel77: i wasn't snapping back at u, that was directed at another person
[05:08] <daniel77> yes now i know it
[05:08] <daniel77> i do not read oke2000 :S
[05:08] <daniel77> sorri i'll wait
[05:08] <IKE2000> comeon please
[05:08] <dennister> IKE2000: that answer is huge and long...don't recommend it
[05:10] <dennister> daniel77: go to k-menu--->system settings--->general--->regional and language
[05:10] <dennister> IKE2000: what do you want to download?
[05:10] <matthew_> IKE2000, you can use synaptic if you don't like adept
[05:11] <matthew_> IKE2000, sudo apt-get install synaptic
[05:11] <dennister> he doesn't want to use either
[05:11] <matthew_> oh, and IKE2000 ?
[05:11] <IKE2000> anything for kubuntu
[05:11] <matthew_> !attitude | IKE2000
[05:11] <ubotu> IKE2000: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:11] <matthew_> dennister, oh, sorry, just walked in...lol
[05:11] <daniel77> i found regional and accessibilliti
[05:11] <dennister> matthew: it's ok :)
[05:11] <IKE2000> oh i'm sorry if i got intense
[05:12] <matthew_> IKE2000, intense? no. you got rude. But that's just me.
[05:12] <daniel77> there are no spanish to choose, only english :S where can i download the spanish pack
[05:12] <dennister> IKE2000: your questions give me the impression your a newbie, which is fine, but you should always be careful about downloading anything not from the adept or synaptic repos...some are dangerous, others are very complicated and difficult to install
[05:13] <dennister> daniel77: synaptic or adept
[05:13] <daniel77> ok, i opened adept... what's the keyword to search
[05:14] <IKE2000> yeah you got it i'm a complete newbie,i just intalled kubuntu yeterday
[05:14] <dennister> IKE2000: i'm a 5-mth-old newbie, but I have mythtv working, which is difficult, and i've learned to listen to people when they say the safe things for kubuntu are in adept or synaptic
[05:14] <dennister> daniel77: u can try spanish or language
[05:15] <matthew_> IKE2000, don't worry about being a n00b...everyone started somewhere. It took me about a year before I was super comfy w/ linux.
[05:15] <dennister> IKE2000: ur not my bro, are u?
[05:15] <IKE2000> i guess not
[05:15] <dennister> in toronto? he saw mine on xmas day, was interested, and a very intense guy :)
[05:16] <daniel77> what's better adept or synaptic?
[05:16] <dennister> daniel77: hard to say...matter of preference really
[05:16] <dennister> IKE2000: what do you want to do with ur new kubuntu installation; what do u want to use ur pc for?
[05:17] <daniel77> wow... 35mb the spanish language
[05:17] <dennister> yep...those language files are big :)
[05:17] <dennister> so are some of the font packages
[05:17] <daniel77> :)
[05:18] <daniel77> what do you think is best, kde or gnome?
[05:18] <IKE2000> actually nothing i just want to get know about linx
[05:18] <daniel77> i just installed kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu
[05:18] <dennister> IKE2000: have you got multimedia working yet? i could walk you through a couple of packages you'll probably want
[05:19] <dennister> eg. do you have mp3 files you want to play?
[05:19] <IKE2000> nope tell me how
[05:20] <IKE2000> yeah
[05:20] <dennister> lol...amarok is a fav...check out to make sure u already have it by K-menu--->multimedia
[05:20] <dennister> and start it up
[05:20] <matthew_> IKE2000, or kaffeine
[05:20] <Alter-Ego> k, ihave a usb wireless adapter that i have just found out i can install in kubuntu, but does anyone know of a way to do ad-hoc ?
[05:20] <Alter-Ego> i would like to ad-hoc my tower to my laptop
[05:21] <nicolas_> can someone understand this: i got an amd k6-2 300, when i put 2 x 512 of ram it sees 512mb total, when i put 2 x 128mb it sees 128mb total, but when i put 1 x 512 it sees 256mb
[05:21] <matthew_> nicolas_, is your motherboard pretty old? how fast is the processor?
[05:22] <nicolas_> 300mhz
[05:22] <dennister> nicolas_: that's your cpu speed, not your motherboard
[05:22] <dennister> oops, sorry
[05:22] <nicolas_> oh..
[05:23] <nicolas_> is there any proc file that can tell me this ?
[05:23] <daniel77> do you have downclocked your pc?
[05:23] <dennister> matthew_ was asking u for your procesor speed, and u gave the right answer
[05:23] <nicolas_> daniel77: no its the default bios reseted to default settings
[05:23] <matthew_> nicolas, your motherboard DIMM slots may not support the type of RAM that you've got in it. Basically, when you put a new type of RAM into a machine that doesn't know about it, your motherboard my only detect half of the memory.
[05:24] <nicolas_> hrm...
[05:24] <matthew_> may only detect...
[05:24] <nicolas_> so you think if i put a single 128mb of ram it'll see only 64mb
[05:24] <nicolas_> ...thats really bad
[05:25] <nicolas_> my old cyrix 200mhz can take the whole 512mb
[05:25] <matthew_> nicolas_, possibly. you may need to see about getting older RAM that is supported by your motherboard.
[05:25] <matthew_> nicolas_, there may also be an option concerning this in your bios.
[05:25] <IKE2000> wherei can download codecs for paly commercial formats
[05:26] <nicolas_> hrm ill check it out
[05:26] <nicolas_> thx
[05:26] <matthew_> nicolas_, np
[05:26] <matthew_> happy to help
[05:26] <matthew_> IKE2000, look at my previous conversation with nicolas_ . See how easy it was when we're both polite and say please?
[05:26] <dennister> IKE2000: ok, you want a package called w32codecs for mp3 files...are you using a 32 bit os, or 64?
[05:26] <daniel77> nicolas_
[05:27] <daniel77> i'm using a spanish kde
[05:27] <matthew_> IKE2000, if you want to play mp3's you need to install mpg123
[05:27] <daniel77> THANKS :)
[05:27] <daniel77> A LOT (X100)
[05:27] <IKE2000> it's 32
[05:27] <dennister> ok, and dapper or edgy?
[05:27] <IKE2000> dapper
[05:28] <HailandKill> dapper
[05:29] <HailandKill> I mean.. I've already upgraded and downgraded once today, I'm sticking to dapper for a bit longer :s
[05:29] <dennister> IKE2000: ok, go to this link and download w32codecs onto your desktop...then come back here: http://seveas.theplayboymansion.net/seveas/dists/dapper-seveas/all/ I'll help u install it outside of synaptic or adept
[05:29] <dennister> that's one that's NOT available in most of the repos
[05:30] <IKE2000> okay thanks guys i've gotto go now.merry christmas
[05:31] <dennister> lol...that has GOT to be my bro
[05:32] <dennister> all that and he leaves before he gets anywhere...heheheh
[05:32] <Whopper> lol
[05:33] <matthew_> man, he was ungrateful...except for the whole "thanks" part, lol
[05:33] <dennister> well, i've learned to be extremely stubborn...it gets me places when it comes to linux
[05:34] <dennister> well, if it was my bro, there are reasons for it...my bro's actually very sweet and very appreciative, just has troubles expressing himself so real positive feelings actually come across
[05:34] <dennister> adhd could be a factor too...they're very impatient at times
[05:35] <dennister> always on the go-go-go!
[05:36] <dennister> i just slap him upside the head :) in big-sister fashion
[05:37] <HailandKill> quick question... it's 4:30am... Konqueror: to access a samba share I type smb://<host..blahblahblah>, to access an NFS share I.....?
[05:37] <dennister> no...samba and nfs are 2 different file-shring programs
[05:37] <HailandKill> Yes.. I know.
[05:37] <HailandKill> Samba was simply an example.
[05:38] <dennister> oh, ok...smb://localhost...blah..blah
[05:38] <HailandKill> But to access the NFS share?
[05:38] <dennister> sorry, if NFS is what u ant, i don't use it, don't know
[05:39] <dennister> matthew_: ?
[05:40] <HailandKill> Well, I could do this with samba, but I haven't been able to get it to automatically mount nicely! It's always asking me for a password at boot.
[05:40] <matthew_> huh?
[05:40] <HailandKill> my fstab reads //<host>/<share> /mnt/shared smb username=name,password=pass 0 0
[05:40] <dennister> matthew_: HailandKill wants to know the line in konqueror to access an NFS share?
[05:41] <dennister> do u know NFS to help him?
[05:42] <matthew_> dennister, nope, nothing....sorry
[05:42] <dennister> k
[05:42] <HailandKill> dennister: do you automatically mount your shares with fstab?
[05:42] <dennister> HailandKill: which security level are u using in samba
[05:43] <dennister> I automatically mount all of my partitions in fstab, not the shares
[05:43] <HailandKill> the folder is set to public, if that's what you mean.
[05:44] <dennister> I also use the simplest security level possible with samba, as we're just two ppl, 2 pc's at the moment...no, that's not what i mean
[05:45] <dennister> different secruity levels are share, user, server, domain, ADS
[05:45] <adwait> hello everyone
[05:45] <HailandKill> Someone else acually set the share up... I'm just looking at it with right click=>properties... the security tab doesn't seem to say much
[05:45] <adwait> could someone please tell me, where do i find the recieved files in kopete?
[05:45] <dennister> HailandKill: go to terminal and type in: kcontrol
[05:46] <HailandKill> dennister: done.
[05:46] <dennister> not me adwait, sorry...i don't use it
[05:46] <dennister> HailandKill: ok, go to internet & network, then select samba
[05:46] <dennister> that should tell you which secruity level ur using
[05:47] <HailandKill> ok
[05:47] <Alter-Ego> i have a wireless adapter i would like to set up ad-hoc for my laptop
[05:47] <Alter-Ego> i have wmaster0 ... is this what i need for ad-hoc ?
[05:48] <dennister> not sure Alter-Ego: can u wait a bit till someone more experienced with wireless comes back in?
[05:48] <Alter-Ego> k
[05:48] <dennister> HailandKill: so what security level is showing?
[05:49] <HailandKill> dennister: I can't seem to find where it actually says.. there are a lot of security options though.
[05:50] <dennister> yes, is it greyed out? one of the different levels should have a circle in it
[05:50] <dennister> it's right in the middle of Base Settings tab
[05:50] <HailandKill> Aaah!
[05:50] <HailandKill> Share
[05:51] <HailandKill> I'm using Share.
[05:51] <family> is there a CLONE of pong for linux? or just the 3d crap?
[05:51] <dennister> good, ok, now you can hit Administrator and type in your password
[05:51] <HailandKill> One set ahead
[05:52] <Linux_Galore> family: just use mame  ie kxmame
[05:52] <Linux_Galore> family: you can play the "original" pong game with mame
[05:52] <HailandKill> dennister, one step ahead... even
[05:54] <dennister> HailandKill: you can play around with this now, but you have to be very careful...I'd recommend you actually edit the /etc/samba/smb.conf file by hand
[05:55] <dennister> I'll show you a very simple one I use by using pastebin
[05:55] <dennister> !pastebin
[05:55] <family> Linux_Galore: will that require me to provide the exe?
[05:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:56] <Linux_Galore> family: no you just need to rom file, you can find them with google
[05:58] <dennister> HailandKill: my /etc/samba/smb.conf file is now on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39116/ i never get asked for a username or password
[05:58] <HailandKill> Okay, thanks dennister. I'll give that a look over.
[05:58] <dennister> any my shares are not in fstab...that's only for local drives...y welcome
[05:59] <Linux_Galore> family: http://www.rom-world.com/search/?q=pong&submit.x=0&submit.y=0
[05:59] <dennister> Linux_Galore: perhaps you could help Alter-Ego with wireless?
[06:00] <dennister> Alter-Ego: u still here?
[06:00] <Alter-Ego> yes
[06:00] <dennister> Linux_Galore: seems to know a lot, perhaps u might get some help now with more ppl in the room
[06:01] <Linux_Galore> dennister: not when it comes to wifi, I usually buy what I know works then use kwlan
[06:01] <dennister> well blame urself for seeming so knowledgeable then :) sorry, thought u might
[06:02] <Linux_Galore> dennister: Ive got like 2 machines that use wifi, thats about my sum of experience, both were a no brainer
[06:03] <dennister> Alter-Ego: well i have none using linux, just one xp machine, so ur ahead of me
[06:03] <Linux_Galore> dennister: although kwlan is nice because it helps you setup a connection
[06:03] <dennister> Alter-Ego: have u tried kwlan?
[06:04] <Alter-Ego> nope
[06:05] <Alter-Ego> nos0Object::connect: No such slot KWlanTrayWin::setConnectionStatus(bool)
[06:05] <Alter-Ego> QObject::connect:  (sender name:   'unnamed')
[06:05] <Alter-Ego> QObject::connect:  (receiver name: 'KWlan')
[06:05] <Alter-Ego> drbeams@sasnak:~$ KCrash: Application 'kwlan' crashing...
[06:06] <daniel77> stuppid micion and a legal fight
[06:06] <daniel77> jajaja
[06:07] <dennister> well it seems u do have kwlan then...but i must bow out again...althought i just did a search in the community documentation and game up with tons of hits after a search for 'wifi'
[06:08] <Alter-Ego> woot, got it with iwconfig
[06:08] <dennister> daniel77: micion?
[06:08] <Alter-Ego> http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl8_iwconfi.htm
[06:08] <dennister> congrats Alter-Ego :)
[06:09] <dennister> and two experts have just rejoined us :)
[06:09] <dennister> hey Jucato, LeeJunFan :)
[06:09] <Jucato> hi dennister
[06:09] <LeeJunFan> dennister: :)
[06:10] <dennister> i'm still struggling with mike, sound...think mike is set only to different sound system :(
[06:11] <dennister> can't use voip till i get mike and speakers working
[06:11] <dennister> don't understand this business at all
[06:11] <dennister> in the meantime i help other noobs where i can
[06:12] <Alter-Ego> ok, how do i enable dhcp on my wlan
[06:13] <dennister> u fixed the other error messages? dhcp should be default, already switched on
[06:16] <smoothies> how do i make my kmenu panel bar on bottom look like window vista menu bar?
[06:16] <dennister> eek! why would u want that?
[06:16] <karmikaze> lol
[06:17] <smoothies> lol i knew some people were gonna say that
[06:17] <smoothies> the answer is just because
[06:17] <smoothies> anyone could help?
[06:17] <Jucato> !kbfx
[06:17] <ubotu> kbfx: an alternative to K-Menu for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.9.1+20060611cvs-1 (edgy), package size 593 kB, installed size 1596 kB
[06:17] <smoothies> thx Jucato =)
[06:17] <Jucato> smoothies: use that ^^^
[06:17] <smoothies> thx alot =)
[06:18] <dennister> hey jucato: would you be able to help me understand alsa?
[06:18] <Jucato> dennister: I would if I could :)
[06:18] <dennister> ok, thought it was worth a try...:) ty anyway
[06:19] <dennister> my mike is set to wrong sound system...don't know how to fix
[06:21] <dennister> i'm listening to my wonderful 3-cd set i got for xmas: Tom Waits Orphans
[06:21] <dennister> Brawlers, Bawlers, and Bastards...
[06:22] <smoothies> they should have repos updated constantly so it's easier to install latest stuff, why don't they do that, i'm not complaining it's very easy to use already =) just wondering =)
[06:23] <dennister> probably cause of testing needs, and demands are higher for some packages than others
[06:23] <smoothies> test
[06:23] <smoothies> am i still connected?
[06:24] <dennister> yes smoothies
[06:24] <smoothies> ok, my web pages just stopped displaying things all of a sudden
[06:24] <smoothies> ah it's back on =)
[06:24] <dennister> i have horrible lags sometimes...but not lately
[06:24] <smoothies> cool
[06:25] <Whopper_> is there a way to install fixedsys?
[06:25] <Jucato> !sru
[06:25] <ubotu> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse.
[06:25] <Jucato> hm...
[06:27] <Jucato> smoothies: those links above talk a bit about updates and such
[06:27] <smoothies> Jucato o ok, *checking them out*, and thx for the links
[06:30] <smoothies> is http://www.kbfx.org not working
[06:30] <smoothies> just wanted to double check
[06:31] <Jucato> oh this is lovely... lagging here and there...
[06:32] <smoothies> wait so the link above isn't working right
[06:32] <smoothies> i couldn't get in
[06:32] <smoothies> and get the latest kbfx =)
[06:32] <smoothies> i should just wait till it comes on right
[06:32] <smoothies> or is there an alternative way to get the latest kbfx
[06:34] <Jucato> try to check in http://www.kde-apps.org
[06:49] <ForgeAus> hmmm
[06:49] <ForgeAus> Ii suck at linux!
[06:50] <ForgeAus> can't seem to get anything to work right
[06:50] <pwn4tt4ck> me too :D
[06:50] <pwn4tt4ck> SAME!!
[06:50] <pwn4tt4ck> :D
[06:50] <ForgeAus> its not the OS's fault tho its mine, I just lack the skills.. .admittedly I do go into non-standard places to try extra non-standard stuff...
[06:51] <smoothies> could someone try download kbfx at from the source download link on this page http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=24898, i can't download it, and i just wanted to see if it's just me or the server is down
[06:51] <ForgeAus> so now when I boot an XFCE session I don't get an interface at all
[06:51] <ForgeAus> why get it from there, use adept
[06:52] <smoothies> .,..why not  =( it's the latest version that has fixes that i want
[06:52] <ForgeAus> IC
[06:53] <smoothies> ...
[06:53] <smoothies> did u try it?
[06:53] <smoothies> or anyone i guess =)
[06:55] <joe_> Is anyone an expert on partitioning harddrive for dual boot?
[06:55] <ForgeAus> I'm nott but what doy ou need joe?
[06:55] <ForgeAus> dual boot shouldn't be difficult
[06:56] <smoothies> someone would ask a pointless question like why would u want to dual boot
[06:56] <matthew_> I can help too, joe_
[06:56] <joe_> want to dual boot on my hp laptop  windows xp and kubuntu
[06:57] <joe_> not sure how to make the extended partition that i can put logicals like fat32
[06:57] <matthew_> joe_, which partition editor are you using?
[06:58] <joe_> tried to use gparted and qtparted, but not finding the option to make extended instead of primary
[06:59] <matthew_> oops, gotta go. See you all later
[06:59] <joe_> still there forgeaus
[06:59] <smoothies> could someone try download kbfx at from the source download link on this page http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=24898, i can't download it, and i just wanted to see if it's just me or the server is down
[07:00] <joe_> any one else available that can give me some input on partioning for dual boot?
[07:01] <joe_> any help would be appreciated.
[07:02] <joe_> one problem is windows is already using 3 primary partitions
[07:03] <joe_> 1. ntfs for os 2. recovery partition 12gig fat32 3. ntfs 1 gig which I think is for booting staight to mediaplayer
[07:41] <matthew_> so...
[07:42] <matthew_> !kaffeine
[07:42] <ubotu> kaffeine: versatile media player for KDE 3. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 2160 kB, installed size 5868 kB
[07:42] <matthew_> !media
[07:42] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[07:43] <matthew_> !codecs
[07:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:46] <matthew_> computer, what's up?
[07:48] <matthew_> !register
[07:48] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[07:57] <mgastkn> I'm getting discouraged.
[07:57] <mgastkn> Kubuntu won't recognize my new digital camera. It knows a camera is there, but it doesn't load any photos.
[07:58] <mgastkn> This is my first day with linux on my hard drive. This is a lot of work.
[07:58] <mgastkn> I have a canon powershot A710 IS
[07:59] <mgastkn> There's no linux driver for it.
[07:59] <mgastkn> It would probably be too hard to install anyway.
[07:59] <mgastkn> Man, I'm starting to miss Windows. At least everything worked (easily).
[08:00] <vado> Bonjour
[08:00] <mgastkn> Sorry, I'm just venting, I guess.
[08:02] <mgastkn> I don't know. Maybe I'll just fold, and go back to the other. Discouraging, but the cold hard reality.
[08:07] <mgastkn> well, I guess I'll call it a night. No one wants to talk anyway.
[08:07] <Linux_Galore> mgastkn: hmm
[08:08] <Linux_Galore> mgastkn: try running windows on my sun machine, ha, wont even boot
[08:14] <mgastkn> sorry. It just seems like there is a lot to deal with. I want it to work. I really do.
[08:17] <Ashex> where's the kde theme manager located?
[08:17] <Ashex> It's not showing up in system settings
[08:20] <Jucato> Ashex: press Alt+F2, type in "kcontrol"
[08:21] <Ashex> Jucato, thanks :) managed to find it through adept
[08:21] <Jucato> ??
[08:21] <Jucato> it's already installed by default. no need to install it
[08:22] <Ashex> I did a search for it through adept
[08:27] <Jucato> ok...
[08:32] <kraut> moin
[08:33] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: nothing on the web about it
[08:35] <Linux_Galore> nope
[08:36] <Jucato> :p
[08:47] <genii> Geez ircii is pretty primitive :)
[08:48] <matthew_> hey genii
[08:48] <genii> matthew_ Heya
[08:49] <genii> matthew_ I'm doing some test netboots on the box i normally am running X and connecting from so using the server CLI
[08:49] <matthew_> genii, whoa...complicated. I didn't know you could use irc from a cli
[08:49] <genii> heh :) ircii
[08:50] <matthew_> genii, ever figure out your problem? or did you just give up? lol
[08:50] <matthew_> genii, ah, ok
[08:50] <matthew_> genii, primitive in what fashion?
[08:50] <genii> matthew_ I actually figured out a way to execute a post install set of commands on a netbooted machine
[08:51] <genii> matthew Primitive in no sidebar with usernames etc
[08:51] <matthew_> genii, did you modify the installer or install image?
[08:51] <matthew_> genii, ah, the bare minimum
[08:52] <genii> matthew_ I actually altered the initrd.gz file and put some nfs kernel stuf in there then am doing an nfs mount command etc
[08:52] <matthew_> genii, oh, right. that's what I was thinking of doing. NOT! lol
[08:52] <genii> not for the faint of heart
[08:52] <matthew_> hee hee hee
[08:52] <genii> Maybe I'll do a wiki on it for the interested
[08:53] <matthew_> genii, you mean the two people in the world that need to do that?
[08:53] <matthew_> lol
[08:54] <genii> matthew_ I had to follow a *LOT* of stuff done by true wizards. As someone said "I stand on the shoulders of giants"
[08:54] <matthew_> ah. gotcha. what is the initrd anways?
[08:54] <genii> mkinitrd by the way is a major pain, don't ever deal with it unless you have to LOL
[08:55] <genii> matthew_ The initrd is a comressed root filesystem image
[08:55] <matthew_> genii, don't plan on it....
[08:55] <matthew_> genii, lol, sounds kinda sketchy to me!
[08:55] <genii> eg: Initial RamDisk
[08:56] <genii> I got lots of kernel panics until i got the hang of it anyhow
[08:57] <genii> matthew_ Hey you in Canada? Best Buy has a great deal on external 250Gb drives, I just picked one up yesterday
[08:57] <matthew_> genii, yeah, I try to stay away from mucking around in the kernel...too much I don't know...like that disabling scsi support will disable usb drives as well...lol
[08:58] <matthew_> Nope, Northern California...
[08:58] <matthew_> genii, but it's all good, I've got dual 200 Giggers...lol
[08:58] <genii> heh :)
[08:59] <matthew_> genii, what's the best way to copy the contents (mbr included) from a 20 to a 200 gig drive...
[08:59] <matthew_> ?
[08:59] <genii> So I'm watching Dapper install automagically on the other box right now, it's comforting :) ...lag ... ther
[08:59] <genii> there is a mbr copy function but I forget how it goes
[09:00] <matthew_> genii, yeah, but I need to copy everything...I was thinking dd /dev/hda /dev/hdb
[09:00] <genii> matthew_ For identically set up drives eg: same Cylinder/Heads etc I would use dd but for different layouts it's not good
[09:00] <matthew_> genii, that's what I've heard...different geometries.
[09:00] <genii> because dd copies *EXACTLY*
[09:01] <matthew_> genii, should I just copy across all files and progs, then do a grub-reinstall?
[09:01] <genii> Just use a livecd then mount each dev and cp -aR
[09:01] <matthew_> or something like that?
[09:01] <matthew_> -aR?
[09:01] <genii> matthew_ Yeah exactly
[09:01] <matthew_> is that what the command is? grub-reinstall?
[09:01] <genii> -a =archive..supposed to have Recursive builtin but doesn't always take
[09:02] <genii> Copies /dev entries etc and symlinks with -a as well
[09:02] <genii> matthew Yes, grub-install
[09:02] <matthew_> ok, grub-install...
[09:02] <matthew_> genii, I'm just about set...very cool!
[09:03] <kulbir> how do i install GTK+?
[09:03] <genii> I need to make a coffeerun :)
[09:03] <genii> matthew_ Back in about 5 mins
[09:04] <matthew_> ok.
[09:04] <matthew_> kulbir, let me google around...k?
[09:04] <kulbir> I tried apt-get install GTK+* to see what would come up but there were a ton of things so I wasnt able to narrow down the selection to GTK+/dev headers.
[09:04] <matthew_> kulbir, what do you need specifically?
[09:05] <matthew_> or do you not know?
[09:05] <kulbir> i was trying to install a program
[09:05] <matthew_> and it need gtk+ libs?
[09:05] <matthew_> needs
[09:05] <kulbir> yes
[09:05] <matthew_> kulbir, what did you use to try to install it?
[09:06] <matthew_> the program
[09:06] <matthew_> not gtk+
[09:06] <kulbir> mp3splitter
[09:06] <matthew_> kulbir, try doing             sudo apt-get install mp3splitter
[09:06] <kulbir> i have download source code .
[09:06] <matthew_> kulbir, why? is it not in the repos?
[09:07] <kulbir> yes it is not in the repos.
[09:07] <matthew_> lol, yes it is not...
[09:07] <matthew_> ok, what is the purpose of mp3splitter?
[09:07] <vge> Hi, how do i connect from other remove connection to other remote host? Same ssh -l "username" "host" ?
[09:07] <vge> remove=remote
[09:08] <kulbir> ssh username@host
[09:08] <matthew_> vge, have you tried ssh -l "username" "host" ?
[09:08] <matthew_> ok, what is the purpose of mp3splitter?
[09:09] <matthew_> kulbir, what does mp3splitter do?
[09:09] <kulbir> i want to split some mp3 files
[09:09] <matthew_> kulbir, I don't understand.
[09:10] <Linux_Galore> kulbir: aah yeah Ive seen that
[09:10] <matthew_> Linux_Galore, can you help him? I can't.
[09:11] <Linux_Galore> matthew_: Ive seen it but never actually used it
[09:12] <matthew_> kulbir, I don't know much about GTK+...you may want to ask genii when he gets back.
[09:12] <kulbir> back
[09:12] <kulbir> k thanks
[09:13] <Linux_Galore> kulbir: I usually use audacity to split things up
[09:13] <vge> What does following means? "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host"
[09:14] <Linux_Galore> vge:  either the machine rebooted or your account times out
[09:14] <kulbir> Linux_Galore: can i split mp3?
[09:14] <kulbir> with audacity?
[09:14] <Linux_Galore> vge: ssh is your remote shell login tool, remote host is the machine your logging into
[09:14] <Linux_Galore> kulbir: yes
[09:15] <vge> Linux_Galore: i know, i was just getting desperate with following message
[09:15] <kulbir> Linux_Galore: thanks
[09:15] <Linux_Galore> vgea basically the remote machine booted you off
[09:16] <genii> I'm back :) Don't much use GTK+, sorry :(
[09:16] <vge> Linux_Galore: but is the syntax different if i take connection from remote host to other remote host via ssh?
[09:17] <Linux_Galore> vge: you mean bunny hopping from one machine to another
[09:17] <genii> vge I do this ssh hopping all the time, it works fine
[09:17] <vge> genii: yup, the syntax is the same as for first connection?
[09:17] <genii> yup
[09:17] <vge> k
[09:18] <Linux_Galore> vge: its very common practice, its means you only have one machine open for ssh access from the internet to worry about, all the subnet machines wont allows a remote login
[09:18] <genii> vge then if you have maybe 3 hops, you need to remember to put "exit" 3 times to get back to your root machine of course
[09:18] <davidou> hi guys. I have a problem with my wifi connection
[09:19] <genii> vge I use this method to ssh into 1 machine behind my router at home, then ssh into the lan addresses from there of my other systems
[09:19] <vge> Linux_Galore: yes, it was problem out of my scope to fix, iw got people to work on it now, but the syntax was nice to check
[09:19] <matthew_> genii, I'm a little bit confused on the subject of ssh'ing through the internet to a linux box...say the between my home and work boxes.
[09:20] <Linux_Galore> vge: the mehtod doesnt change from machine to machine, its the same
[09:20] <Linux_Galore> method*
[09:20] <Linux_Galore> vge: the ip obviously does though
[09:20] <genii> matthew_ Well for instance on windoze boxes I am regularly at I use a program called Putty
[09:21] <genii> matthew_ On the home router port forwarding for port 22 is set to go to my main server. I can ssh into it from anyplace.
[09:21] <matthew_> genii, umm, but I'm not using XP anywhere...only kubuntu 6.10
[09:21] <Linux_Galore> genni tut tut, never set port 22 for ssh on the internet
[09:21] <genii> matthew_ So then you just issue at cli:  ssh 192.168.0.0      etc but of course the proper IP :)
[09:21] <matthew_> Linux_Galore, why not?
[09:22] <Linux_Galore> mathieu: every hacker on the planet knows port 22 is ssh
[09:22] <genii> Linux_Galore I know I know :)
[09:22] <genii> I've had the lcture before LOL
[09:22] <matthew_> genii, but seems like that would only work between boxes on the same internal network.
[09:22] <matthew_> brb
[09:22] <genii> matthew_ Well, with that Ip I gave yes
[09:22] <Linux_Galore> genii: I usually set it some some ridiculously high port number
[09:23] <Linux_Galore> genii: use your birthday date as the port number
[09:23] <genii> Linux_Galore I rarely get ssh attacks there...my work machines are of course setup more securely with nonstandard port assignments
[09:24] <Linux_Galore> genii: I love ssh, I often leave files at home or work
[09:24] <genii> And not stupidly obvious ones like 8080
[09:25] <genii> Linux_Galore Yeah ssh rocks :)
[09:25] <vge> how do i disable root access? i think i have followed some tutorial like 8months ago to enable it
[09:25] <matthew_> back
[09:25] <genii> vge root access to ssh?
[09:25] <Valmarko> Konqueror is not recognizing flash plugin, I already did a 'scan for plugins' but nothing happens. Someone help me?
[09:25] <Linux_Galore> vge: need more info, system ssh ??
[09:26] <vge> genii: that i guess
[09:26] <vge> do i really need it at all?
[09:26] <genii> vge No, you should use sudo or su
[09:26] <Linux_Galore> vge: I dont have root access on any machine that connects to the net with sshd running
[09:26] <matthew_> ok, I'm back, genii ,but I still don't understand how to ssh across the 'net. should I use the external IP address (The one the internet sees) of the box at work to connect to it from my home?
[09:27] <Linux_Galore> vge so you want to disable root login on the machine in general
[09:27] <Linux_Galore> ?
[09:27] <genii> matthew_ Yes. But on your router of course you need to port-forward whatever port you set for ssh to the lan IP of the box you want to reach
[09:27] <vge> Linux_Galore: yes
[09:27] <Linux_Galore> vge: go back to sudp
[09:27] <Linux_Galore> sudo*
[09:28] <matthew_> oh man, today, I was sitting in a stool, and a customer walked in the door. I tried to get up, but my sandal snagged on the bench...and I fell, hard. I hit my head on the concrete and saw stars...totally sucked.
[09:28] <genii> matthew_ My life is a bit easier since i have static IPs at home
[09:28] <vge> Linux_Galore: i dont use root access at all, but i think the possibility is there
[09:29] <genii> Geez you should get an xray and make sure you don't have a concussion
[09:29] <matthew_> genii, ok, so I port forward a port for a _specific_ IP address (say 72.168.9.3) then I can connect to that router from another computer?
[09:29] <matthew_> genii, lol, my boss is also a volunteer fireman...he checked my pupils and stuff...it's great...no headache or nothing..just a little goose egg...lol
[09:29] <Linux_Galore> vge: just remove the root account in /etc/passwd should do it
[09:29] <vge> Linux_Galore: kk, ill try that ty
[09:29] <genii> matthew Say you have a router ... it will normally give internal IPs to the lan --eg: 192.168.x.x but to the internet at large it will have some IP
[09:30] <matthew_> genii, ok.
[09:30] <matthew_> genii, I'm with you so far.
[09:30] <genii> matthew_ So on the router itself you tell it to forward traffic on port 22 (in the simplest example where you are not reassigning the port for ssh on the machine which is receiving it) to the IP of for instance 192.168.0.101
[09:31] <genii> matthew_ then from outside you go ssh 72.168.9.3
[09:31] <genii> etc
[09:31] <genii> and it reaches the box inside
[09:31] <matthew_> genii, ok, so anything that pings port 22 (or whatever) will automatically be forwarded to my computer at home
[09:31] <matthew_> genii, Ok, that makes sense
[09:31] <matthew_> very cool.
[09:32] <genii> matthew_ The router at home where the machine you want to reach is the one to mess with, not the remote router :)
[09:32] <matthew_> genii, is there anyway to get a gui going from a ssh? or is it just a secure shell?
[09:32] <matthew_> genii,  I got that. PF the router of the computer that you want to get into.
[09:33] <genii> matthew_ For that I would recommend some vnc client and same idea with port forwarding except different numbers
[09:33] <matthew_> !vnc > matthew_
[09:33] <genii> matthew_ The unchanged default vnc ports used to be something like 5801 or 5901 maybe for the java interface
[09:33] <matthew_> but doesn't that require users on both boxes?
[09:34] <genii> !vncserver
[09:34] <ubotu> vncserver: Virtual network computing server software. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.3.7-12ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 541 kB, installed size 1244 kB
[09:34] <genii> then of course vncclient
[09:34] <matthew_> genii, very nice. installing now...gonna work w/ it tomorrow...give you something _else_ to help me with.
[09:35] <genii> heh :)
[09:35] <matthew_> genii, can I have vncclient and vncserver running on one box at the same time? that way I could get into my work computer from home and vice versa. I get that the client/server has to be running on both for that to happen, of course.
[09:35] <genii> Yeah you can run any combo of the 2 progs you like
[09:36] <matthew_> ok, cool.
[09:36] <genii> even multiple servers but on usual connections the bandwidth will choke after 2 on DSL for instance
[09:36] <matthew_> genii, installing the server now...
[09:36] <php-freak> what do i use to open .bin files with?
[09:36] <genii> php-freak ./
[09:37] <matthew_> genii, I'm on a 6Mbs 1Mbs Cable line.
[09:37] <vge> matthew_: for good gui windows tool to connect linux boxes i would recommend sshsecuresell
[09:37] <php-freak> ./ at the shell?
[09:37] <genii> php-freak eg   ./thename.bin
[09:37] <genii> php-freak yeah they are executable files
[09:37] <php-freak> whats is a .bin anyways
[09:37] <Linux_Galore> vge: actually you just need to remove the password for root in /etc/shadow  ie leave the line there but change the hash to a single *
[09:37] <matthew_> vge, I don't use Windows boxes. but thanks for the info. I'll probably end up using it...lol
[09:38] <matthew_> vge, sshsecureshell, right?
[09:38] <vge> matthew_: ow, sorry then, i misred your info, yup
[09:38] <matthew_> vge, lol, np
[09:38] <Linux_Galore> vge:  ie root:$1$x0TAaqtc$Hnx7I5NiZsxhcJhkAl2Q80:13076:0:99999:7::: becomes  root:*:13076:0:99999:7:::
[09:38] <genii> matthew_ With that connection you could support maybe 3 or possibly 4 concurrent vnc servers running but I doubt if I'd want to :)
[09:38] <vge> Linux_Galore: ty
[09:38] <matthew_> genii, yeah, what would I use it for?
[09:38] <unix_infidel> haha, /me deconstructs the hash.
[09:38] <matthew_> seems like one would be enough just for me....
[09:38] <unix_infidel> w00t.
[09:39] <php-freak> genii: i tried ./thename.bin
[09:39] <php-freak> it did not open up, I opened my shell, and did it from there
[09:39] <genii> matthew_ Well, there used to be these things callled remote X servers... so you could run X over network etc all from a central server. This way you can have multiple users with their own desktops etc
[09:40] <vge> Linux_Galore: actually it is like that, good for me
[09:40] <matthew_> !pastebin
[09:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:40] <genii> matthew_ But for single use 1 server is fine unless you want to have more than 1 session running from different locales etc
[09:41] <genii> php-freak Is the name of your .bin file  "thename.bin" ??
[09:41] <php-freak> no
[09:41] <php-freak> i put the proper name in
[09:41] <matthew_> roflmao
[09:41] <matthew_> oh, ok, nvm
[09:41] <genii> php-freak Ah, OK :) You never know
[09:41] <php-freak> ./namehere.bin
[09:41] <genii> php-freak Is the file supposed to be a php file?
[09:41] <matthew_> genii, would you take a look at this for me? this occured when I installed vnc-java.                 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39129/
[09:41] <php-freak> no
[09:41] <php-freak> its .bin
[09:41] <matthew_> pleas
[09:42] <matthew_> please*
[09:42] <genii> php-freak Unless it is either a disk-image or some firmware for a device it should run with the ./  before it unless it is for a different platform than what you are using or possibly different kernel-version etc
[09:43] <genii> matthew_ I can't easily go to a url then back here in comman-line...it's possible but pain in the arse
[09:43] <matthew_> genii, np
[09:43] <genii> I am in single-user mode otherwise i would just do consoles :(
[09:44] <matthew_> genii, it just says that a lot of lib*** were automatically isntalled and are no longer needed. libs like libssl-dev, libarts1-mpeglib, etc...
[09:45] <genii> matthew_ Ah OK :) No worries then
[09:45] <matthew_> what's it all about?
[09:45] <genii> matthew_ vnc install uses secure connections so it puts on stuff like openssl and so on. Nothing to worry about
[09:46] <smoothies> i just downloaded kbfx, it was a tar ball, now that i extracted it, there's two more tar balls, *confused* how do i install kbfx, don't mention adept
[09:46] <matthew_> genii, alrighty then...
[09:46] <Jucato> smoothies: apt-get :P
[09:46] <genii> crap, my automated install forgot to put kde :( :(
[09:46] <smoothies> but those get me old versions tho =(
[09:47] <genii> AFK sorting out
[09:47] <Jucato> smoothies: from where did you get the tarball?
[09:47] <matthew_> genii, what about Krdc? I found it in my "Internet" section. Oh, and take as long as you want, lol.
[09:47] <fildo> !xvid
[09:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:47] <matthew_> !Krdc
[09:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Krdc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:47] <smoothies> Jucato: from http://kubuntu.schmidtke-hb.de/index.php?serendipity[subpage] =downloadmanager&thiscat=2&file=1, german site but i clicked on the icon that meant/looked like download
[09:47] <matthew_> it looks like a client for VNC and other servers...
[09:47] <genii> Hmm it installed but something is messed
[09:48] <genii> (kde)
[09:48] <matthew_> !kfrb
[09:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kfrb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:48] <matthew_> genii, that sucks
[09:48] <matthew_> maybe a simple startx?
[09:48] <smoothies> Jucato actually i just followed link on this page http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=49706
[09:49] <genii> matthew_ Krdc is K Remote Desktop Connection. Works somewhat on vnc principle and interoperable I believe with XP Remote Desktop Sharing
[09:49] <matthew_> ok, so I shouldn't have to install vncclient on my work box?
[09:49] <genii> matthew_ Yeah I tried startx and now have to dissect logs etc
[09:50] <matthew_> beautiful. Have fun w/ that.
[09:50] <genii> matthew If you have Krdc on it already it would likely work as a client fine
[09:50] <Jucato> smoothies: that page has a download for a .deb file. it's not a tarball, and no need to extract it
[09:50] <No1Viking> How do I change all settings in kmix to the default values?
[09:51] <genii> weird. "Unable to allocate system texture memory.Disabling DRI" "(EE) I810(0): Ring buffer allocation failed"
[09:51] <genii> wtf is ring buffer??
[09:51] <smoothies> Jucato o yeah i extracted a deb lol, that was stupid of me =)
[09:52] <leafw> anyone has any definitive guide to external displays for laptops?
[09:52] <smoothies> Jucato how do i install the deb
[09:52] <matthew_> genii, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_buffer
[09:52] <genii> bleh a url I can't reach atm :)
[09:52] <genii> LOL
[09:52] <Jucato> smoothies: right-click -> Kubuntu Package Menu -> install
[09:52] <leafw> it was working (on reboot only) in dapper, but now in edgy it fails.
[09:53] <Jucato> smoothies: or "sudo dpkg -i <deb file>" in Konsole
[09:53] <smoothies> Jucato thx =) i'm a new linux user as u can tell =)
[09:53] <matthew_> genii, it basically says that it is a method of using memory in a computer program. "Ring" Alludes to the rotation through the buffer of the positions where the next data will be read and written.
[09:53] <genii> AFK coffee-sipping and contemplating
[09:54] <No1Viking> How do I change all settings in kmix to the default values? Anyone?
[09:54] <smoothies> is three other gadgets/cool stuff anyone would recommend? i just been strolling around kde-look website and following the stuff on kde improvment section
[09:54] <smoothies> there*
[09:54] <matthew_> genii, googling as we speek.
[09:54] <smoothies> and i meant kde-apps website
[09:55] <smoothies> too generic a question, sorry guys =) don't need to respond
[09:55] <genii> Got it
[09:55] <matthew_> genii, what was it?
[09:55] <Jucato> smoothies: the improvement section sometimes contain just mockups (plans) rather than actual apps. so it's best you just go poking around
[09:55] <genii> matthew_ video ram is 4096 so 1280 default res was too much for 16 bit
[09:56] <genii> 1024 in xorg.conf fixed it
[09:56] <matthew_> ah, that makes sense...old video card?
[09:56] <genii> matthew_ Missing ram chip :)
[09:56] <smoothies> Jucato will do, thx :)
[09:56] <matthew_> genii, omg
[09:56] <matthew_> genii, and you sell these!?!?! lol
[09:57] <genii> matthew_ LOL These are old city computers remember. I just looked in the case and I can see the empty slot there
[09:57] <matthew_> unbelievable! ;)
[09:57] <genii> The employees were scavenging crap out of them once they knew the city was unloading them on us
[09:58] <genii> We got boxes marked as working which were entirely gutted
[09:58] <matthew_> lol, those selfish crazy canadians!
[09:58] <genii> matthew_ I think it's just a case of global dissatisfaction as a public employee
[09:59] <genii> eg: it starts with stealing pens and liquid paper then moves on to guting your work pc
[09:59] <matthew_> yeah, you're probably right.
[09:59] <matthew_> genii, I'm glad I'm happy with where I work...
[09:59] <genii> weird it starx x now but gnome
[10:00] <syed> how to add urudu language in kubuntu ? when i do system settings --> regional settings --> languages, i have only US and British English there
[10:00] <syed> how do i add languages ?
[10:00] <genii> AFK investigating
[10:01] <unix_infidel> syed: urdu is close enough to hindi that it probably wont get a seperate designation.
[10:01] <matthew_> genii, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[10:01] <syed> unix_infidel: but how do i add it, i dont have anything else than english in the list, how do i add hindi or anu language ?
[10:02] <genii> matthew_ I suspect the preseed file I used for Edgy automated install will have to be modded for dapper
[10:02] <matthew_> what's a preseed file?
[10:03] <genii> matthew_ When you do an automated install you can pass the kernel a command-line value like:   preseed/url=http://myinternalserver/nameoffile
[10:03] <unix_infidel> syed: apt-cache search ubuntu-l10n-hi
[10:03] <matthew_> oh, ok, like cheatcodes....
[10:03] <genii> matthew_ Basically it's a bunch of answers to questions the installer normally asks
[10:03] <matthew_> like acpi=off dma=off etc...?
[10:04] <genii> in the preseed file you can put stuff like: d-i  grub-installer skip
[10:04] <genii> etc
[10:04] <unix_infidel> syed: do you have a hindi keyboard or just prefer hindi / sanskrit output?
[10:05] <matthew_> oh...ok. Why would you want to skip installing grub? Seems like you need some kind of bootloader...even lilo...
[10:05] <genii> matthew_ You can pre-can a list of what packages to install, what default root asswd is, etc etc
[10:05] <syed> unix_infidel: i dont have hindi keyboard, i just want the lang to be enabled, so i have hindi output
[10:05] <genii> matthew_ LOL only an example
[10:05] <php-freak> any one know how i can open this .bin file, because /. is saying unkown command
[10:05] <matthew_> gotcha
[10:05] <unix_infidel> syed: use taht command i gave you above.
[10:06] <genii> php-freak you need the slash and period in correct order eg:    ./thefilename
[10:06] <unix_infidel> you might have it in a local repo, there are / is a team of translators.  There are only a few differences b/w the language output.
[10:06] <php-freak> ./ thats what i did sorry
[10:06] <genii> php-freak you may want to try:    sudo ./the/complete/path/to the/filename.bin
[10:06] <php-freak> k
[10:07] <php-freak> command not found
[10:08] <genii> php-freak try then:  sudo exec /the/path/thename.bin
[10:08] <php-freak> command not found
[10:08] <php-freak> this sucks
[10:08] <php-freak> getting mad
[10:09] <genii> php-freak It may be that the filename ends with .bin but that it is actually some other format like .tar.gz but downloaded into .bin extension. You may check where it came from and see if it is supposed to have that extension
[10:09] <php-freak> well says it is
[10:10] <php-freak> it was downloaded as  .rar, and .bin was inside of it
[10:10] <genii> php-freak Exactly what is this particular .bin file supposed to be/do ?
[10:14] <genii> php-freak If you try to open this file in an editor is there somewhere in the first part that says "ELF"   or is it perhaps a text file?
[10:14] <php-freak> yes
[10:14] <php-freak> hold on
[10:15] <genii> php-freak if the first line reads something like #!/someplace/sh             change it to the place where sh is
[10:15] <genii> That will be the "command not found"
[10:15] <php-freak> yes it says .elf
[10:16] <php-freak> ELF
[10:16] <php-freak> well not ., but some cahacterh
[10:16] <genii> php-freak OK, it is an executable for sure then
[10:16] <genii> php-freak You may need to change the executable bit on the file for it to run
[10:16] <zorglu_> "file yourstuffgoeshere" will tell you the type of file it is
[10:16] <genii> php-freak eg:   sudo chmod +x filename.bin
[10:17] <php-freak> okay hold on
[10:17] <php-freak> okay i ran that command
[10:17] <php-freak> the shell prompt showed back up
[10:17] <genii> php-freak OK now try the previous way eg:    ./thefilename.bin
[10:18] <php-freak> guess what
[10:18] <genii> php-freak   sudo ./filename.bin      even :)
[10:18] <php-freak> it opened
[10:18] <php-freak> hehe
[10:18] <php-freak> What did that do to the file?
[10:19] <genii> php-freak There are attributes on *nix files which allow/disallow them to be executed
[10:19] <genii> !chmod | php-freak
[10:19] <ubotu> php-freak: The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[10:19] <php-freak> i see
[10:19] <php-freak> So it wasn't aloud to be excuted
[10:19] <genii> php-freak Exactly
[10:20] <php-freak> take me a little awhile to leanr linux to the fullest, i been using windows my hole life
[10:20] <genii> php-freak It is frustrating at times but rewarding :)
[10:20] <php-freak> lol yea
[10:20] <php-freak> I like *nix way better then windows still
[10:21] <genii> OK I need to go AFK and examine my preseed files etc ... back in maybe 5 mins :)
[10:22] <zorglu_> php-freak: may i ask why ?\
[10:22] <php-freak> why
[10:22] <php-freak> I don't know, just do
[10:22] <php-freak> I like the way things work
[10:22] <php-freak> and the shell
[10:22] <zorglu_> ok :)
[10:23] <php-freak> i work with php a llot, so its fun
[10:23] <php-freak> just not famaliar with all the commands yet
[10:24] <genii> Heh got it :) I had commented out my "tasksel" entry previously for debugging and it went to Gnome install by default
[10:25] <matthew_> genii, don't you love it when stuff works out?
[10:25] <genii> matthew_ Now to try the whole enchilada over again LOL
[10:25] <genii> Over lan not too bad, about 12-15 minutes for complete install
[10:26] <matthew_> lol, if it works, then you've done it...are you installing over a 100Mb/s network?
[10:26] <genii> matthew_ The crappy switch is only 10Mb :(
[10:26] <just-this-time> php-freak: how can you introduce someone to php . some primer links ?
[10:26] <matthew_> wtf
[10:26] <matthew_> !
[10:26] <matthew_> that really sucks...
[10:26] <php-freak> just-this-time: What do you mean?
[10:26] <matthew_> genii, you can't find anything else?!? :)
[10:26] <genii> matthew_ Still not too bad when all the repos are mirrored
[10:27] <matthew_> genii, nice...how many can you do at one time (computers, not repos)
[10:27] <matthew_> ?
[10:27] <just-this-time> php-freak: how can you introduce someone to php . some primer links ? <--- offer me that fun
[10:27] <php-freak> php.net
[10:27] <genii> matthew_ As many as I can assign numbers to, which would likely be  254
[10:27] <just-this-time> ok tyvm
[10:27] <php-freak> when i first started using it i had a lot of trouble with the termology
[10:28] <matthew_> genii, you've got all the equipment for that?
[10:28] <php-freak> but keep working with it, and you'll get better before you know it
[10:28] <just-this-time> terminology ?
[10:28] <php-freak> yea sorry
[10:28] <genii> yes php.net is *the* php source for manulas, tutorials etc
[10:28] <matthew_> genii, manulas, huh? lol
[10:28] <php-freak> For awhile, I was thinking man i must not be able to do this stuff, and after awhile it started coming together, and now its simple
[10:28] <genii> matthew_ Well, over 20 machines may pop a breaker LOL
[10:28] <matthew_> genii, lol..l
[10:28] <matthew_> ...
[10:29] <knivage> Hi :)
[10:30] <matthew_> hi, knivage
[10:31] <knivage> Is this a good place to ask for help?
[10:31] <matthew_> genii, when you netboot, you must be booting from a floppy, right?
[10:31] <just-this-time> php is understood by most gui browsers right ?
[10:31] <matthew_> knivage, absolutely
[10:31] <knivage> Oh, cool, thanks :)
[10:31] <matthew_> !ask
[10:31] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:31] <matthew_> lol
[10:31] <knivage> Okay, well, I asked on the forums as well but I might get a faster reply here.
[10:31] <just-this-time> netboot can from netcards bootrom
[10:31] <matthew_> probably
[10:31] <knivage> lol
[10:32] <knivage> Well, I'm downloading Kubuntu 6.10 at the moment.
[10:32] <matthew_> just-this-time, I didn't know that...huh.
[10:32] <matthew_> knivage, ok......
[10:32] <knivage> And anyway, i want to connect to my wireless network (using it at the moment on windows xp :o)
[10:33] <knivage> it's a WiFi AP Solo (came with my ASUS motherboard, model M2N32 SLI Deluxe)
[10:33] <just-this-time> I want to implement ltsp ( ltsp.org) kids classroom with weak PCs strong centra PC
[10:33] <matthew_> knivage, it must be a laptop, then?
[10:33] <knivage> no
[10:33] <knivage> a desktop
[10:33] <knivage> and a pretty huge one at that :p
[10:33] <just-this-time> netboot helps this happen
[10:33] <genii> just-this-time Basically this is what I am dfoing here
[10:33] <knivage> just running a cable to it would be illogical
[10:34] <matthew_> knivage, huh....never heard of a desktop w/ builtin wireless...unless it's on a pc card...
[10:34] <knivage> no
[10:34] <knivage> sorry
[10:34] <knivage> ok...
[10:34] <matthew_> knivage, so, you want to know if it'll work w/ linux?
[10:34] <knivage> it came wiht a built in card, acts as if i had a pci card but instead it takes up two of the USB ports i could've had (max 8 or 10)
[10:34] <genii> just-this-time You can run the entire OS on an initrd for instance
[10:34] <knivage> sort of
[10:35] <knivage> if i get WINE and then run the program that
[10:35] <knivage> is sort of like a driver/ connection program
[10:35] <knivage> should i be able to connect to the network through that?
[10:36] <knivage> btw, connected to my wireless card, i have this little thingy-ma-jig which is the wireless adapater thing :p
[10:36] <knivage> I may be able to get a picture :0
[10:36] <knivage> *:)
[10:36] <matthew_> knivage, so, you've got an external antenna that connects to the card?
[10:36] <knivage> yeah
[10:37] <knivage> dont know much about this kind of thing...
[10:37] <knivage> :(
[10:37] <knivage> http://www.asus.co.jp/810/images/products/1163/M2N32-SLI_Deluxe_WiFi-AP_Solo.jpg
[10:37] <knivage> there, that connects to the card on the back of my comptuer :)
[10:37] <genii> Crap no mouse :( I need to find some xorg preseed value for psaux etc
[10:38] <matthew_> knivage, that should be transparent to kubuntu...there should be no problem.
[10:38] <matthew_> knivage, if your card is supported...lol
[10:38] <knivage> yup, awesome, thanks!
[10:38] <knivage> so does kubuntu have to support it?
[10:39] <knivage> i thought it would be sort of... seperate...
[10:39] <matthew_> knivage, you can generally pop the liveCD in and take the OS for a test drive...
[10:39] <knivage> ok, are all kubuntu DVDs live?
[10:39] <matthew_> knivage, nope kubuntu must support hardware for it to work...
[10:39] <matthew_> knivage, yup
[10:39] <knivage> dang...
[10:39] <knivage> okay, thanks :)
[10:39] <matthew_> knivage, np
[10:40] <knivage> just gotta let it finish downloading
[10:40] <knivage> my isp went down so i had to start again :(
[10:40] <genii> knivage It helps immensely to know what model or chipset the wireless is, easier to find if it is supported or what may be needed for drivers etc
[10:40] <knivage> oh
[10:40] <knivage> i know where to get that!
[10:40] <jlowell> how can I not have password prompts?
[10:41] <matthew_> jlowell, what do you mean? password prompts for sudo?
[10:41] <genii> Generally Asus has very linux-friendly devices in their boards
[10:41] <knivage> it says in windows, that i connect using a: Realtek RTL8187 Wireless 802.11g
[10:41] <jlowell> matthew_: yes for starting adept manager gui and stuff like that
[10:41] <genii> knivage OK let me go to my other box and look it up
[10:42] <zorglu_> q. is it possible to get kdesu to remember the password for a while, as sudo does ?
[10:42] <knivage> hey, thank :)
[10:42] <knivage> *thanks
[10:42] <jlowell> matthew_: thats what I mean what zorglu_ asked
[10:42] <matthew_> jlowell, there is a reason that stuff is password protected.
[10:42] <zorglu_> jlowell: kdesu allow it as a standalone program, but i never succeed to make it work on ubuntu
[10:42] <matthew_> jlowell, if you strip it...you'll end up w/ a linux box w/ the security of windows...lol, maybe not as good...
[10:43] <zorglu_> matthew_: ok but is it possible ?
[10:43] <matthew_> zorglu_, jlowell , I don't know. I've never even thought about it...
[10:44] <zorglu_> ok
[10:44] <genii> knivage Apparently on Edgy (6.10) these chips work "out-of-the-box" but in dapper you may have to do some installing of things
[10:44] <knivage> thanks, im getting Edgy so it should be fine.
[10:44] <genii> Cool :)
[10:44] <knivage> just out of interest, where did you get that?
[10:45] <jlowell> has anyone gotten enemy territory or enemy lines to work?
[10:45] <jlowell> or google earth?
[10:45] <knivage> the information that is
[10:45] <zorglu_> http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/kdesu/sec-password-keeping.html <- jlowell how to enable it for kdesu as a standalone
[10:46] <genii> knivage It is a long url to type in and no copy/paste from there to here... first link on google when entered "ubuntu"  and "RTL8187"    (perhaps wrong # there but it is scrolled up so cannot see it now)
[10:46] <knivage> ok
[10:46] <knivage> thanks :)
[10:46] <knivage> i'll have a look
[10:47] <jlowell> thx zorglu_
[10:47] <zdogde> hi
[10:47] <zdogde> i have kubuntu 6.10 installed,  and a DELL Inspiron 6400. My DVD-Drive gets recognized, but i cant enable dma... I tried it with hdparm -d1 but it always says: "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted". I also tried to add "piix" and "ide-core" to my modules  file, but this also didn't helped. May anyone help me? :)
[10:48] <knivage> hey, i was also wondering, what are the main differences between kubuntu and ubuntu apart from the interface?
[10:48] <zorglu_> zdogde: tried 'sudo hdparm -d1' ?
[10:48] <zdogde> yes
[10:48] <genii> knivage Not much. One just uses Gnome as desktop, the other KDE
[10:48] <zdogde> is says: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[10:48] <knivage> okay, thanks
[10:48] <zorglu_> zdogde: no idea then
[10:49] <knivage> just thought that there *might* be something major
[10:49] <genii> knivage In fact you can upgrade from Gnome version to KDE version by "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[10:49] <knivage> oh, cool :)
[10:49] <zdogde> :(
[10:49] <knivage> so normally, if something works on ubuntu
[10:49] <knivage> it should work on kubuntu too
[10:50] <knivage> ?
[10:50] <knivage> brb
[10:50] <zorglu_> knivage: yes
[10:50] <genii> knivage Yup, unless it relies on something specific to Gnome interface
[10:50] <genii> even then a lot of Gname apps run in KDE fine
[10:50] <matthew_> genii, but you can always install gtk libs
[10:50] <matthew_> right?
[10:50] <genii> Yup :)
[10:51] <elijahlofgren> /part
[10:51] <genii> Hmm... netbooting install: "Retrieving file 498 of 1879 (8m21s remaining)"
[10:51] <knivage> thought so, thanks :)
[10:52] <matthew_> genii, yay, it's working?
[10:52] <jlowell> has anyone gotten enemy territory or enemy lines to work?
[10:52] <jlowell> or google earth?
[10:52] <genii> matthew_ Well, the automated install part LOL About the KDE desktop..we will know in about 7m48s
[10:52] <genii> give or take
[10:53] <zorglu_> jlowell: google earth has a package for it already i think
[10:53] <matthew_> lol...it always takes at least one try w/ linux...
[10:53] <zorglu_> jlowell: about the game you will have to google about 'cedega' or 'wine'
[10:53] <knivage> hey, is there a big list somewhere of all the included software on the Kubuntu DVD?
[10:53] <knivage> google hasn't helped me here :(
[10:54] <genii> knivage Well, once you install it, the package manager will list *all* packages you can install etc
[10:54] <knivage> okay, thanks :)
[10:56] <jlowell> zorglu_: yah i know but googleearth gives seg fault
[10:56] <jlowell> and the games both have linux versions but they also fail to run
[10:56] <genii> knivage Generally it wants to go online to grab the newest whatever but you can see only whats on the cd/dvd by commenting out all lines in /etc/apt/sources.list except for the cd/dvd entry then running apt-get update. The package manager will then list only the things on there
[10:57] <knivage> well, thanks for all the help everyone, cya later :)
[10:57] <genii> knivage Peace :)
[10:58] <genii> AFK
[11:00] <syed__> i have installed urdu language support through menu --> system -->language support but still i could not see urdu font enabled in the region/language settings
[11:01] <genii> syed__ You need to also install some fonts then it would seem
[11:02] <syed__> genii: any procedure to install the fonts,
[11:03] <genii> syed__ I am searching my own machine with "sudo apt-cache search font|grep urdu|more       but no result :(
[11:03] <genii> syed__ You may have a different result on your system
[11:03] <syed__> genii: i tried that but even i could not get any result..
[11:04] <genii> ttf-paktype
[11:04] <genii> syed__ sudo apt-get install ttf-paktype
[11:07] <genii> :)
[11:09] <genii> Hey is there some cli helper that will automagically always put the last command with the beginning I am typing when I hit up-arrow? I miss this from freeBSD
[11:09] <syed__> genii: i have installed, then should i go th menu--> system settings--> language & regional settings and try to add there
[11:10] <genii> syed__ From here I am not much help I am afraid :( But it seems a logical step
[11:10] <genii> glazed_eyes No problemmo
[11:12] <genii> weird, the netboot is installing gnome+kde now
[11:12] <syed__> genii: thanks, let me try on on my own..
[11:13] <genii> I can only hope kdm is put *after* gdm
[11:20] <genii> OK rebooting the autoinstalled box and we shall see :)
[11:21] <genii> Crap cli
[11:22] <genii> Bleh it's reverting to 1280 crash settings again
[11:23] <genii> blargh gnome
[11:23] <vidar_> hi guys
[11:24] <vidar_> I just updated my kubuntu 6.10 install and now I have no sound
[11:24] <genii> vidar_ Do you know what chipset your soundcard is?
[11:24] <vidar_> ac97
[11:24] <leafw> any people using apple laptops here
[11:24] <leafw> can't get second display to work properly (remains inside the laptop screen, scrollable)
[11:25] <genii> vidar_ That is a generic type. You need to know if it is an ESS1867   chipset for instance
[11:25] <vidar_> 00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 04)
[11:26] <genii> vidar_ So it is an Intel 82801FB
[11:26] <vidar_> ok thanks
[11:26] <vidar_> lsmod show a lot of snd modules loaded
[11:26] <vidar_> and the sound in kde is not muted
[11:27] <genii> vidar_ The thing would be now to find what module it uses, then type the name of that module into the file /etc/modules   to force the kernel to load it at boot
[11:27] <vidar_> ok
[11:28] <genii> vidar_ Wait... are you getting a speaker icon with no red X across it?
[11:28] <vidar_> the same happened to ipw2200, but I know the name of it so I manually loaded it
[11:28] <vidar_> genii: yes
[11:29] <vidar_> genii: there is no such directory
[11:29] <genii> vidar_ If the speaker icon is not "X"'d out then check the mixer to make sure volumes are set OK. You can normally get there by some option on right-click of the speaker icon
[11:29] <vidar_> sorry
[11:29] <vidar_> there is
[11:30] <vidar_> ahh, there is the mixer
[11:30] <vidar_> :)
[11:30] <klerfayt> how do I create one rar of part1.rar, part2.rar, part3.rar and part4.rar?
[11:31] <genii> vidar_ Also in System Settings someplace for sound system is where to set ALSA or OSS etc etc  .. if autodetect is no good then I would try hard-setting ALSA
[11:32] <vidar_> genii: PCM was muted, thanks for the help
[11:32] <genii> vidar_ :)
[11:32] <vidar_> not good though to change settings like that automatically
[11:34] <genii> vidar_ It is sometimes a good idea to backup /home/username dir before a new install/upgrade then restore it after so settings remain as before
[11:34] <matthew_> vidar_, I like to keep my /home on a different partition
[11:36] <vidar_> really, you have to do that to update with apt-get?
[11:36] <genii> vidar_ Well it is a good practise generally
[11:37] <genii> (to make /home backups)
[11:37] <genii> But it is not done with apt-get if that was the question :)
[11:38] <vidar_> I know that
[11:38] <genii> syed_ Any luck with the urdu install?
[11:38] <genii> vidar_ Sorry, you never know how much someone does/does not know :)
[11:38] <vidar_> not taken :)
[11:39] <vidar_> so, wireless assistant, is it generally crappy or is it just me?
[11:39] <genii> No, it's generally the source of complaints ROFL
[11:40] <matthew_> vidar_, yeah, same here...
[11:40] <vidar_> lol
[11:40] <matthew_> more of an ass than an assistant
[11:40] <matthew_> lol
[11:41] <genii> AFK need to dissect my install log for clues
[11:41] <vidar_> so basically, I am too lazy to do iwconfig manually so I let the wifi assistant pick the AP, but then I have to manually do dhclient eth1
[11:41] <vidar_> silly
[11:41] <matthew_> vidar_, what I did was to synchronise the settings between the "assistant" and my Network Settings.
[11:41] <matthew_> That worked beautifully!
[11:42] <vidar_> how the hell did you do that?
[11:42] <vidar_> the network settings crashes constaintly
[11:43] <matthew_> vidar_, sudo kcontrol, then just go to your Network Settings.
[11:44] <vidar_> already there
[11:44] <Jucato> kdesu kcontrol...
[11:44] <matthew_> oh, right...
[11:44] <vidar_> it is in the menu...
[11:44] <vidar_> :)
[11:46] <vidar_> matthew_: what do you mean by "synchronise the settings" ?
[11:46] <elt0n> hi
[11:46] <elt0n> i want to backup all my home files into a tar archiv
[11:46] <matthew_> I just make the settings the same for my wireless connection (ra0)
[11:46] <elt0n> do i have to use a recurive switch for tar ?
[11:47] <vidar_> elt0n: no
[11:47] <elt0n> or just tar cjf mybackup.tar.bz2 /home/user
[11:47] <vidar_> elt0n: yes
[11:47] <matthew_> basically, the same in the network settings area as in the wireless Assistant area...
[11:47] <elt0n> is it correct? and does it take hidden files to?
[11:48] <_4strO> hi
[11:48] <genii> elt0n If it's a dir name it should auto-recurse
[11:48] <_4strO> i have a pb with my resolv.conf
[11:48] <_4strO> somebody seems to rewrite it
[11:48] <elt0n> genii: ok thx
[11:49] <_4strO> something :p
[11:49] <vidar_> _4strO: dhclient
[11:49] <matthew_> I'm going to bed...night everyone!
[11:49] <_4strO> vidar_: what does it mean ?
[11:49] <genii> matthew_ Gnite:)
[11:49] <_4strO> a config file to modifie ?
[11:50] <vidar_> _4strO: your dhcp server sends you some dns server and your dhcp client overwrites the settings in resolv.conf
[11:50] <_4strO> seems true
[11:50] <genii> _4strO Your file is being rewritten each boot automatically by the system because your ethernet card is set to auto get an IP and so on
[11:50] <elt0n> genii: wat does this mean? tar: Removing leading `/' from member names
[11:51] <genii> elt0n It means it is making the internal dirs int he tar file relative to the path you tarred it from
[11:51] <vidar_> _4strO: you disable it in the dhcp config
[11:51] <_4strO> mmm
[11:51] <elt0n> genii: ok thx thats good ;-)
[11:51] <_4strO> the pb is present even if i configure my eth0 on ip static
[11:52] <vidar_> what is pb?
[11:52] <berkes> I am having trouble with some removable media. kubuntu mounts it, but it is mouted 700.
[11:52] <berkes> 700 means that I should be able to write, yet that seems not possible either.
[11:52] <genii> berkes Change the part in /etc/fstab which reads ro     to rw
[11:53] <_4strO> request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers,
[11:53] <_4strO>         domain-name, domain-name-servers, host-name,
[11:53] <_4strO>         netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope;
[11:53] <berkes> what 'thing' handles this automounting, acutally? I cnnot find anything in /etc/fstab
[11:53] <_4strO> do i have to remove domain-name domain-name-servers ??
[11:53] <berkes> genii: its a usb device, and it does not show in fstab :/
[11:53] <fdoving> berkes: hal and pmount. what are you trying to do?
[11:54] <berkes> fdoving: okay, ill hunt for that.
[11:54] <berkes> fdoving: two things: mount an mp3 player. and mouting a simple usb stick :-)
[11:54] <berkes> both fail, apparently for the same reason. Fail == I can read it, but not write to it
[11:56] <fdoving> berkes: did you put them in /etc/fstab? You should not.
[11:57] <berkes> fdoving: nope, I did not. but I was really surprised not to find anything in fstab, yet I thought *ububtu would be ding it 'different'...
[11:59] <fdoving> !away | rideout
[11:59] <ubotu> rideout: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[12:00] <Xubuntian> __osh__: hi osh, i did the complete test
[12:00] <kubuntian> __osh__: where do i check results for smartmouttools?
[12:01] <rideout> fdoving: sorry, konversation decided to change my settings, I've always had away messages off, hum...
[12:01] <fdoving> rideout: no problem, just wanted you to know :)
[12:07] <genii> fdoving Do you know if there is some cli utility which when you put the first few letters of a command will always have on up-arrow the last command you used starting like that? It is something from FreeBSD I got used to
[12:07] <Jucato> genii: Ctrl+R ?
[12:08] <njb> doesn't that depend on the shell that you use?
[12:08] <gpaterson> anyone ever had "Error writing Syncees to resource" in kitchensync?
[12:08] <genii> Hmm perhaps... on bsd I always had bash
[12:08] <genii> Jucato let me see if that works :)
[12:09] <njb> Does anyone know how i can get my ICH5 / CMedia 9780 microphone input working?
[12:09] <Jucato> genii: if you were using BASH on BSD, then the BASH on Linux should have the same feature, iirc
[12:10] <genii> Bleh Ctrl-R is useful but when you sroll up with up-arrow takes you to irrelevant commands not starting with that begiining
[12:11] <njb> maybe you can copy your .bashrc file from FBSD
[12:11] <genii> Jucato Nah I just checked, my shell here is also bash
[12:12] <genii> njb Good suggestion, thx
[12:12] <Jucato> actually, I think Edgy is using DASH now...
[12:15] <genii> ooh FBSD .bashrc causes shell crash LOL
[12:16] <genii> I already did chown for those that wonder
[12:18] <genii> bleh AFK
[12:18] <Guardian> hi, since the last upgrade, usb flashdrives are no more mounted automatically, is there something to fix manually or is there a pending update to do ?
[12:19] <Guardian> i'm using kubuntu 6.10 btw
[12:19] <Martiini> how do I force aptitude dist-upgrade ... even if it would break my system
[12:20] <genii> Found the bugbear.. I always use su there and root uses csh not bash etc
[12:21] <genii> try aptitude dist-upgrade --force            or --really-force
[12:21] <Martiini> --really-force ??  youre kidding, right
[12:22] <genii> On some *nix systems if you do first just --force it gives a msg about the dangers then tells of you --really-force    just for insurance that you know the risks
[12:22] <jlowell> hi, how do I make kdesu not prompt for root password?
[12:24] <Sasha63> Ciao svima na kanalu!
[12:24] <Sasha63> ima li koga ???
[12:25] <genii> !yu
[12:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:25] <Sasha63> HI...
[12:25] <Sasha63> sorry...I am from...Serbia...
[12:25] <Sasha63> :)
[12:26] <genii> Sasha63 If you can state your issue in English you may find assistance here :)
[12:26] <Sasha63> :(
[12:27] <Sasha63> my english....iz very bad....sorry..
[12:27] <genii> !sr | genii
[12:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:27] <genii> !bs | genii
[12:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:27] <genii> !bn | genii
[12:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:27] <Sasha63> where you come from ?
[12:28] <genii> Sasha63 I am in Toronto, Canada
[12:28] <Sasha63> Salutes from Smederevo / Yugoslavia...
[12:28] <Sasha63> :)
[12:28] <Sasha63> nice...
[12:29] <Sasha63> I have a small problem...with Ati grafic card...
[12:29] <Sasha63> on the Kubuntu 6.10
[12:30] <Sasha63> they dont have a suport for ATI 9600 Pro..
[12:30] <genii> Sasha63 Problems with ATI drivers have not yet been fixed on Edgy release
[12:31] <Sasha63> in eny repositorij dont have a suport ?
[12:31] <genii> Sasha63 If you search google for "fglrx" and "ubuntu" you will find a helpful link to help install the proper drivers, but currently there is no automatic method
[12:32] <Sasha63> :(
[12:32] <Sasha63> I am a beginerr....
[12:33] <Sasha63> I set up a resolution...but aceleration for 2D and 3D is bed..
[12:33] <genii> Sasha63 You may find it more useful to use the 6.06 release of ubuntu if you do not feel brave enough to manually fix the "fglrx" drivers for now
[12:34] <genii> Sasha63 Yes, the ATI driver for 6.10 has no 3D support
[12:35] <Sasha63> not yet ?
[12:35] <Sasha63> :(
[12:36] <genii> Sasha63 Because ATI must release a binary driver for each linux kernel release, it may be a while before they produce a driver for 6.10
[12:36] <Sasha63> I automaticly downolad some ATI driver..in "Add and Remove programs"...but...
[12:36] <x-up> join #kubuntu-de
[12:36] <Guardian> please, since the last upgrade of my kubuntu 6.10 , usb flashdrives are no more mounted automatically, is there something to fix manually or is there a pending update to do ?
[12:37] <Sasha63> my integrated grafic...VIA S3..was work better!
[12:38] <Sasha63> OK...I hope understand you...
[12:38] <Sasha63> Thank you very much...for help!
[12:38] <genii> Sasha63 You are very welcome
[12:38] <Sasha63> :)
[12:43] <jlowell> anyone get googleearth to work
[12:49] <genii> Crap I broke something in my netboot preseed again
[12:50] <Sasha63> Is there anybodu...from Yugoslavia ???
[12:50] <pbraga> Hi. I need some help installing apps.
[12:51] <KChatter> Is there anyone here that can help me?
[12:52] <lenscape> KChatter: with what?
[12:52] <KChatter> With the package manager.
[12:52] <lenscape> which one?
[12:52] <KChatter> I recently tried to install the universe repository.
[12:52] <KChatter> Now, when I go to
[12:52] <KChatter> install/uninstall apps,
[12:53] <KChatter> my choice is WAYYYY less than it used to be.
[12:53] <KChatter> Ok. here's what I did:
[12:53] <KChatter> I went to the package manager, View>Manage Repositories.
[12:53] <lenscape> have you done an update?
[12:53] <ubuntu> hello
[12:53] <KChatter> yes.
[12:53] <lenscape> KChatter: sudu apt-get update
[12:54] <KChatter> I already did that. I enabled the 2 comments that let me enable the universe package and suddenly everything was querked!
[12:54] <Sasha63> Gdo ponjemajet po Russki ???
[12:54] <lenscape> are you sure you didn't 'enable' something that was actually a real comment?
[12:55] <lenscape> !ru @ Sasha63
[12:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ru @ Sasha63 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:55] <KChatter> maybe that's what happend.
[12:55] <markc> anyone have asuggestion as to where I could look to prevent kmail from always starting up even though I have my session manager set to start with an empty session ?
[12:55] <jerp> does anyone know where the folder that keeps the firefox icon is?
[12:55] <KChatter> what should I do to retrieve the original apps for choosing?
[12:55] <KChatter> I already disable the comments.
[12:56] <fdoving> genii: !comm
[12:56] <Sasha63> !
[12:57] <fdoving> genii: will be replaced with 'command' if you have recently used that.
[12:57] <lenscape> KChatter: take a look at the file /etc/apt/sources.list the format is pretty obvious. make sure it looks sensible.
[12:58] <vega-> hmm, any idea why korganizer doesn't start through "run command..." but starts ok from the terminal?
[12:58] <KChatter> lenscape: Ok. I'll see. Hold on.
[12:58] <vega-> "run command... " just says "KDEinit could not launch 'korganizer'"
[12:59] <lenscape> vega-: path differences, maybe?
[01:00] <KChatter> lenscape:Ok. I see. I just disabled a comment.
[01:01] <jerp> !ru | Sasha63
[01:01] <ubotu> Sasha63:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[01:02] <genii> jerp Actually srbian but there seems no channel for that
[01:04] <vega-> lenscape: maybe, but it's in /usr/bin so you would think that would be in just about every path
[01:07] <Sasha63>  !
[01:11] <genii> syed__ Any luck with the urdu install?
[01:19] <desarrollo06> Good morning
[01:24] <metro-polisie> i am runing dapper i have a geforce 6600 i updated my pkgs and now nv/nvidia drivers doesn't work only vesa help plz
[01:41] <genii> Anyone gotten Conexant HSF/HCF modem drivers compiled under Edgy yet?
[01:50] <animimotus> hi
[01:51] <Schuenemann> I removed a partition and now I get this message when I boot: "Failed to open the device '/dev/hda2': no such file or directory
[01:51] <animimotus> when a dl http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=41180 and make a ./configure, I have this errrchecking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!"or : "
[01:51] <Schuenemann> File system check failed. Please repair manually
[01:51] <animimotus> * error
[01:51] <Jucato> animimotus: install the package "xorg-dev"
[01:52] <genii> Schuenemann hda2 is normally the place the root filesystem gets installed to
[01:52] <animimotus> ok I retry ;)
[01:52] <Schuenemann> genii: no, there was another OS there
[01:52] <Schuenemann> I deleted it
[01:52] <Jucato> Schuenemann: have you deleted or commented out the line for that particular partition in your fstab?
[01:52] <Schuenemann> deleted
[01:52] <Jucato> the system might be trying to mount it
[01:52] <Schuenemann> using qtparted
[01:53] <Schuenemann> yeah, I believe so
[01:53] <genii> Schuenemann Which partition did you install linux to?
[01:53] <Schuenemann> hda3
[01:53] <genii> Likely as Jucato says then
[01:53] <Schuenemann> how do I edit fstab?
[01:54] <Jucato> go to /etc, right-click on the fstab file -> Actions -> Edit as Root
[01:54] <genii> Schuenemann from Konsole:  sudo nano /etc/fstab          also works
[01:55] <genii> Jucato I keep forgetting gui solutions LOL
[01:55] <Schuenemann>  /dev/hda2       /media/hda2     reiserfs defaults        0       2
[01:55] <Schuenemann> just remove this?
[01:55] <Jucato> :P
[01:56] <genii> Yes, that entire line
[01:56] <Jucato> Schuenemann: remove it or put a # at the beginning of the line
[01:56] <genii> # is possibly safer
[01:56] <Schuenemann> ok, I commented
[01:56] <Schuenemann> btw, can I merge that partition into my kubuntu one?
[01:56] <Schuenemann> using qtparted
[01:56] <genii> Yes
[01:57] <Jucato> hm.. kinda tricky, specially if Kubuntu is on hda3
[01:57] <Schuenemann> actually, hda4
[01:57] <Schuenemann> hda3 is swap
[01:57] <Jucato> oh.. then impossible...
[01:57] <Schuenemann> they have to be neightbours?
[01:57] <Jucato> you can only mount it as a separate partition
[01:57] <Schuenemann> neighbours*
[01:57] <Jucato> make it look like it's part of the filesystem
[01:57] <animimotus> Jucato: now I have : "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!"... Oo
[01:58] <Jucato> animimotus: kde-devel
[01:58] <genii> You can merge them, but then after boot to livecd and mount /dev/hda2 someplace then edit /mnt/place/etc/fstab    to change hda3 to hda2       then run grub-install
[01:58] <animimotus> ok
[01:58] <Schuenemann> damn
[01:58] <Schuenemann> nevermind then, I'll reinstall everything soon
[01:58] <Jucato> genii: how can you merge hda2 and hda4?
[01:58] <Schuenemann> will be easier
[01:59] <Schuenemann> maybe creating the boot at hda2?
[01:59] <genii> Jucato he deleted hda2 and hda3 is / so they will both merge to be hda2
[01:59] <Schuenemann> I mean creating the swap
[01:59] <genii> hda4 I dunno :)
[01:59] <Jucato> genii: I didn't remember him saying he deleted hda3
[01:59] <animimotus> Jucato: do you have a whole line command for install packets to compil and package on kubuntu ?
[01:59] <Schuenemann> no, it was hda2
[01:59] <Jucato> animimotus: sudo apt-get install kde-devel :D
[01:59] <genii> hda3 = /
[02:00] <animimotus> Jucato: ok ^^
[02:00] <Schuenemann> can't I use livecd, merge hda2 and hda3, then create the swap at the beginning of "hda2" and merge the rest?
[02:00] <genii> Schuenemann If a reinstall is not a huge issue it would save you some headaches with grub and editing fstab from live cd etc etc
[02:01] <Jucato> genii: also, it's quite problematic to add space to the beginning of a partition. you can safely resize a partition from the end, but not from the beginning, afaik
[02:01] <Schuenemann> ok, seems wiser to install everything
[02:01] <Schuenemann> I'm still with dapper
[02:02] <genii> Jucato Yes, ading to the front will be problemmatic
[02:03] <Schuenemann> thanks :p
[02:04] <genii> I will have to mess with the "merge root partition to lower partition" idea sometime :)
[02:13] <ZeroSystem> hello, i am installling kubunto and doing it by manualy specifing the partition
[02:13] <ZeroSystem> do i have to define a partition for swap
[02:14] <ZeroSystem> or is it automaticly done when i set the main partition
[02:14] <ZeroSystem> and what is the file type i should choose
[02:20] <genii> ZeoSystem In manual mode swap is not automatically setup unless you choose to use the entire disc. A swap is not mandatory. If you do specify one the partition type would be linux swap and the file system type would be swap
[02:21] <ZeroSystem> i have 2 partitions on the HDD and i want to put a full 20GB for the linux
[02:21] <ZeroSystem> and its on hidden
[02:21] <ZeroSystem> 'didnt partition it when installed windows
[02:22] <max_> some of the choices in the adept installer (add remove programs) are grayed out, how do i fix this?
[02:22] <Pensacola> every icon I hover over in konqueror turns dark, how to fix it?
[02:23] <genii> ZeroSystem You can safely boot with no swap partition.
[02:25] <genii> A customer arrived, I am away for some time now
[02:25] <max_> some of the choices in the adept installer (add remove programs) are grayed out, how do i fix this?
[02:26] <burepe> does anyone know the link for the how to on fixing choppy video playback?
[02:28] <masaheero> connection lost ><
[02:29] <masaheero> genii what is the file system i should choose since i dont need to put swap ?
[02:30] <genii> masaheero On a root filesystem  you should always have either ext2 or ext3
[02:30] <genii> masaheero For the partition type it should be Linux    partition type
[02:31] <masaheero> what do you recomend me to do i am installing with a hardisc that has 1 ntfs partition and 1 not partitioned part
[02:31] <masaheero> so i make it ext3 or 2 o.o
[02:32] <genii> masaheero If the ntfs has your windows on it, leave that. On the second partition you can divide it up how you like. Kubuntu needs only about 2.5 Gb for a full install. So 20 for instance is more than enough.
[02:33] <alpedo19> hola
[02:33] <alpedo19> alguien para preguntarle
[02:33] <alpedo19> hacerca de kubuntu
[02:33] <alpedo19> por fa
[02:34] <genii> masaheero For a simple setup, just use the entire second partition for linux and forget about a swap. Then make sure that when grub installs to put it on the master boot record of hda for instance
[02:34] <alpedo19> just a question
[02:34] <alpedo19> please help me
[02:34] <Rashid> !lock
[02:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:34] <Rashid> !/var/lock
[02:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about var/lock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:35] <Rashid> whats the dpkg lock factoid??
[02:35] <genii> Rashid you have a program that will not stop or start because there is a lock file for it?
[02:35] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | Rashid
[02:35] <ubotu> Rashid: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[02:35] <Rashid> no i get this error when trying to aptitude update:
[02:35] <Guard] [an> please, since the last upgrade of my kubuntu 6.10 , usb flashdrives are no more mounted automatically, is there something to fix manually or is there a pending update to do ?
[02:35] <Rashid> sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[02:35] <Rashid> wait that wasnt it :S
[02:35] <Rashid> elt0n_afk: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? Reading package lists... Error! E: The package cache file is corrupted E: Cache has an incompatible versioning system
[02:36] <max_> rashid: get automatix, itll install java
[02:36] <Rashid> genii what does it mean by my package cache file is corrupted?
[02:36] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | Rashid
[02:36] <ubotu> Rashid: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[02:36] <Rashid> max_ yuh i think i have already got java...i did that to double check but meh
[02:36] <max_> some of the choices in the adept installer (add remove programs) are grayed out, how do i fix this?
[02:37] <genii> Rashid It would seem that you have mixed versions of two distributions somehow, or that the files in the apt cache got corrupted physically
[02:37] <elt0n_afk> Rashid then you are not root or the adaptive update is running...
[02:37] <Rashid> elt0n_afk i am root...dunno what adaptive update is :S genii my sources.list is fine so maybe theres summin up with the repos??
[02:38] <genii> Rashid "resource temporarily unavailable" means more than 1 copy seems to be running
[02:38] <Jucato> Rashid: did you try those commands arleady?
[02:38] <Jucato> already*
[02:38] <Rashid> jucato yup i did that sudo fuser thing command and now aptitude update works with no errors :D
[02:38] <genii> Rashid Jucato will point you in the right direction :)
[02:38] <elt0n_afk> Rashid: sry i meant adept updater
[02:38] <Rashid> thanks guys :)
[02:39] <Rashid> elt0n_afk no problem...i think its working now
[02:39] <elt0n_afk> the gui for updating under kubuntu
[02:39] <elt0n_afk> Rashid: ok what was wrong?
[02:39] <Rashid> i jus got worried by the word "corrupt" :| lol i thought there might be a virus in the repos or something
[02:39] <Rashid> it gave me a load of errors about package cache corruption and database lock...but it works now
[02:39] <Rashid> props to this channel. the ubuntu community is something else :D
[02:39] <Rashid> chow :)
[02:40] <genii> Rashid "versioning system" error is odd. Did you run apt-get *upgrade*  recently instead of apt-get update   ?
[02:40] <max_> hes gone
[02:40] <genii> bleh
[02:41] <genii> Well if it's something fatal I'm sure he'll be back LOL
[02:41] <andreasw> hi
[02:41] <max_> haha, ya
[02:41] <max_> man, i tried fedora tonight
[02:41] <max_> it sucks
[02:41] <max_> so does suse
[02:41] <max_> and basically anything else compared to the ubuntu family
[02:42] <genii> max_ If yer interested in different distros maybe look at OpenSolaris
[02:42] <max_> im not interested
[02:42] <Lynoure> max_: If you want people to nod in agreement, write a detailed comparation somewhere.
[02:42] <max_> just got bored
[02:42] <genii> Heh :)
[02:42] <max_> so tried some
[02:42] <max_> ubuntu has teh best package management
[02:43] <Lynoure> teh indeed.
[02:43] <max_> it took me 3 hours to find out how to install w32codecs in fedora
[02:43] <max_> and i never did get flash working
[02:43] <genii> max_ The Ubuntu community is much more helpful
[02:44] <max_> yes
[02:44] <max_> maybe someone can help
[02:44] <max_> i cant find where to turn on the kmenu transparency
[02:44] <max_> i ALWAYS forget where that is >> still dont remember after like 5 kubuntu installs
[02:45] <genii> I never mess with it so I don't know where it could be found :)
[02:45] <Jucato> max_: System Settings -> Appearance -> Style -> Effects tab
[02:46] <Schuenemann> is there any way I could disable the mouse wheel feature of switching applications?
[02:46] <max_> thanks
[02:46] <Schuenemann> when used at the task bar
[02:49] <fdoving> Schuenemann: not that i'm  aware of, you can try to ask in #kde, please let me know if you find out how.
[02:49] <Jucato> dunno if that's possible...
[02:49] <Schuenemann> k
[02:50] <max_> some of the choices in the adept installer (add remove programs) are grayed out, how do i fix this?
[02:50] <Jucato> max_: choices, as in apps?
[02:50] <max_> yes
[02:51] <Jucato> dapper or edgy? have you tried checking the "Unsupported" and the "proprietary software" options?
[02:51] <max_> edgy
[02:52] <max_> and yes
[02:52] <Jucato> hm..
[02:53] <genii> Perhaps some broken packages
[02:53] <max_> almost half are grayed out
[02:53] <codemonkey2> anyone know about zeus webservers? i need to get an apache .htacces with rewrites working
[02:54] <genii> codemonkey2 Most ppl here would be apache ppl :)
[02:54] <codemonkey2> yeah thought so
[02:54] <codemonkey2> any ideas where to try :)
[02:55] <genii> You are running zeus on ubuntu?
[02:55] <codemonkey2> no
[02:55] <Jucato> max_: try checking if you have the proper repositories enabled?
[02:55] <codemonkey2> its on a shared host ive got
[02:55] <codemonkey2> hate it
[02:55] <max_> how do i do that Jucarto?
[02:55] <genii> codemonkey2 I would look for an irc channel that is zeus specific
[02:55] <codemonkey2> mmm hard
[02:56] <Jucato> hm... wait.. I'm not sure that's the cause though...
[02:56] <animimotus> Jucato: ./compil goes on but now I have : http://animimotus.pastebin.ca/294425
[02:58] <Jucato> what are you trying to compile?
[03:03] <sebastien__> salut all
[03:07] <stefan__> I want to do a ssh tunnel from localhost:3307 to remote:3306
[03:07] <stefan__> so I did ssh -L 3307:remote:3306 stefan@remote
[03:08] <animimotus> Jucato: this one http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=41180
[03:08] <stefan__> I want know connect the remote mysql with localhost:3307
[03:08] <stefan__> but I have no luck
[03:08] <stefan__> can someon help?
[03:08] <max_> ummm...i have a MAJOR problem
[03:09] <max_> i uninstalled somthing, dunno what
[03:09] <max_> but now my kubuntu is retarded, the graphics are stupid, i have no background, no pannel no anything
[03:09] <Lynoure> retarded and stupid means what?
[03:09] <max_> it looks old
[03:09] <max_> its hard to describe
[03:10] <max_> its "basuc"
[03:10] <max_> basic*
[03:10] <max_> i guess you would say
[03:10] <abattoir> max_: a screenshot'd help
[03:10] <max_> ummm
[03:10] <max_> if i can fid a way to get to my kmenu
[03:10] <max_> which is nonexistant right now
[03:10] <abattoir> you can post it at imageshack.us or even paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[03:10] <abattoir> max_: try the print screen button
[03:11] <abattoir> else, Alt+F2->ksnapshot
[03:11] <max_> and theres nothing to see, i have no background, no pannel no anything
[03:11] <abattoir> are you in KDE?
[03:11] <max_> yes
[03:11] <abattoir> is the cursor an X ?
[03:11] <max_> no
[03:11] <abattoir> ok... how did you start konversation? or are you on another machine?
[03:12] <max_> i did an improper shutdown (ctrl+alt+backspace) so it restarted konversation since it was up when i logged out
[03:12] <eMaX> hi all
[03:12] <eMaX> ne1 here uses wlassistant?
[03:13] <max_> abattoir: is is possible to reinstall KDE?
[03:13] <max_> i think KDE or KDM is my problem
[03:13] <max_> somthing like that
[03:14] <Lynoure> you could do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and see what happens
[03:14] <max_> will try, brb
[03:14] <abattoir> max_: yes, it's possible, but might not be necessary
[03:16] <eMaX> I am having problems connecting to one of my repeaters (siemens gigaset 108) using wlassistant. It keeps telling me that the connection was not successful.
[03:16] <nacho86> hi!
[03:21] <zero-9376> hey can someone tell me how to set a default view profile in konqueror
[03:21] <randler> If I change the domain on my computer, does that affect wether or not sudo works properly?
[03:22] <ultm8> [14:21]  <ultm8> getting an error message that says can't write buffer /home/usr/.avast/log/avastgui.log to disk
[03:22] <ultm8> [14:21]  <ultm8> any body got any clues
[03:27] <max__> salut est ce que qq parle le francais svp
[03:30] <max_> my pannel is missing, how can i get it back?
[03:31] <intelikey> alt+f2   type in    kicker
[03:32] <Anon7885> sziasztok
[03:32] <genii> ssh -l user 192.168.0.101
[03:33] <genii> bleh wrong window :)
[03:33] <max_> nothing happens when i do that
[03:33] <intelikey> max_ did you hide it ?
[03:33] <max_> no
[03:33] <genii> max_ Instead od alt-f2 then try right-ctrl left-alt f1
[03:34] <max__> help knunbuntu link in french please and sorry for my englich
[03:34] <HailandKill> A kubuntu dapper file server is sharing a folder using nfs. If I type sudo mount freyja:/var/shared /mnt/shared, while it takes a while it does seem to mount correctly. my fstab reads http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39158/ Yet that doesn't seem to mount on boot, any ideas?
[03:34] <intelikey> !fr max__
[03:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fr max__ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:34] <intelikey> !fr | max__
[03:34] <ubotu> max__: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:34] <HailandKill> the workstation, a laptop, is also on dapper
[03:34] <max__> thanks
[03:35] <max_> intelikey: i was having problems with kdm or kde, one of the two and i did aptt-get intall kubuntu-desktop, it fixed it but my pannel is missin
[03:36] <intelikey> max_ version ?    edgy ?
[03:36] <max_> yes
[03:36] <slow-motion> hallo
[03:37] <intelikey> max_ try    gksu killall kicker && kicker
[03:37] <max_> how do i get a terminal up?
[03:37] <intelikey> or no     kdesu ^*
[03:38] <intelikey> max_ use the alt+f2
[03:38] <intelikey> Jucato :)
[03:38] <max_> ok, i did that
[03:39] <max_> still no pannel
[03:39] <genii> max_ does it give some informative message?
[03:39] <max_> noi
[03:39] <genii> eg: command not found     etc etc
[03:40] <Jucato> max_: ok, press Alt+F2, type in "kcontrol", go to Desktop -> Panels and check where the panel is or if it's suddenly hidden. reset it's position
[03:40] <HailandKill> !nfs
[03:40] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[03:40] <genii> !nfsd
[03:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nfsd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:41] <genii> !rpc.nfs
[03:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rpc.nfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:41] <genii> darn botu
[03:41] <HailandKill> :)
[03:42] <intelikey> hmmm. max_  and if you still don't see it.   open konsole and run  "ps -A x | grep kicker | grep -v grep "   see if it's running      i suppose it could be erroring out.
[03:42] <genii> intelikey Perhaps a stale lock file
[03:43] <intelikey> genii does kicker use a lock file ?
[03:43] <Jucato> no.. once in a while, a wrong mouse movement seems to have a nasty behavior of suddenly hiding or repositioning itself somewhere
[03:43] <genii> I do not for certain know but I imagine it must
[03:44] <intelikey> Jucato so it's a knows issue then ?
[03:44] <genii> max_ when you run the command intelikey gave, does it show that kicker is running?
[03:44] <Jucato> I know it... not sure if it's a general KDE bug, or Kubuntu one...
[03:44] <Jucato> but it does happen... and has happened...
[03:45] <intelikey> ok that's probably all this is then.   i'll go back to being an idiot elsewhere.
[03:46] <capt_cosmo> Anybody knows if there's a nice mail-notification (local mbox) applet for kde?
[03:47] <genii> Interesting... googlinf "missing kicker" "kde" produces results from gentoo sites about "missing kicker files" etc etc
[03:48] <genii> Also kicker conf file
[03:48] <Jucato> which is not the case here, I'm sure...
[03:51] <genii> max_ does something like "sudo ps ax |grep kicker" show some process with that name running aside from grep?
[03:51] <Jucato> genii: no need for the sudo
[03:51] <genii> Jucato I wasn't sure, thx :)
[03:53] <genii> Jucato is he still here? I have no sidebar in ircii
[03:53] <Jucato> which side bar? channel list? nick list?
[03:53] <genii> Nick list
[03:54] <genii> Well, any sidebars actually
[03:54] <Jucato> Settings -> Configure Konversation -> Chat Window -> [ ]  Show channel nick list and quick buttons?
[03:54] <Jucato> or did you accidentally resize them too small? :)
[03:54] <genii> Jucato That would be all and well if I had some X server installed :)
[03:55] <Jucato> huh?
[03:55] <Jucato> what are you using?
[03:55] <intelikey> /user lists all users on the channel     /whois <blah>   will tell you if someone is still on the server genii
[03:55] <genii> This particular machine I am on is a minimalistic 6.06 server install, no X
[03:55] <Jucato> irssi has no sidebars
[03:55] <genii> ircii
[03:56] <genii> not irssi
[03:56] <Jucato> um..not familiar with it
[03:57] <genii> forgot about the whois tho, need to familiarize with the ol command line again :)
[03:57] <intelikey> genii both ^ are pasive tests,  you could /ping <blah> also,
[03:57] <intelikey> or /ver <blah>
[03:57] <genii> intelikey thx
[03:58] <genii> !ping
[03:58] <ubotu> 64 bytes from ubotu (10.13.37.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.33 ms
[03:58] <genii> :) ubotu lives!
[03:58] <intelikey> as noted.   :)
[03:59] <genii> heh  /ping max_ = max_:No such nick/channel
[03:59] <genii> So he's not unresponsive, just not here :)
[03:59] <Jucato> :O
[03:59] <Jucato> genii: you forgot one '_'
[03:59] <intelikey> Jucato no
[04:00] <intelikey> there was max_  and max__ here a minute ago
[04:00] <Jucato> yes, but not now
[04:00] <intelikey> and max__ was looking for #*buntu-fr
[04:00] <Jucato> the other max (max_) left minutes ago
[04:01] <genii> Well he either got frustrated or found the answer LOL
[04:02] <genii> AAARRGGG stupid autoinstall works perfectly now except 1 stupid little thing which eats at me
[04:03] <genii> And to which there seems no entry to make in a preseed file
[04:04] <HailandKill> !fstab
[04:04] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[04:05] <vikke> this may seem abit silly, but i accedently removed the bar in konqueror that shows File / View / Help and so on, how do i get it bakc? :P
[04:05] <intelikey> genii thing being ?
[04:06] <intelikey> vikke maybe f9
[04:06] <intelikey> or ctrl+f9
[04:07] <genii> intelikey kdm chunks out on first boot because for some reason 1280x1024 is default res to try. But 1024x768 works fine however is not first entry in xorg.conf even though I put (what I thought) a valid preseed directive for it
[04:08] <vikke> intelikey: that shows the sidebar, ctrl + f9 doesnt seem to do anything
[04:08] <intelikey> vikke try ctrl+m
[04:09] <intelikey> vikke if that's not it  haller at jucato
[04:09] <vikke> intelikey: wee, most irritating issue solved
[04:09] <intelikey> :)
[04:13] <genii> eg preseed file directive line: xserver-xorg xserver-xorg/config/display/modes select 1024x768 800x600 640x480
[04:15] <genii> the exact same line with depth 16 instead of mode just above it worked fine
[04:15] <intelikey> genii hmmm  but doesn't kubuntu default to reconfiguring xorg at boot time through some init script ?
[04:16] <genii> intelikey Well, that would be the point of a preseed, to specify values which would be asked for normally etc
[04:16] <Jucato> 
[04:16] <genii> so idea being: flip machine o 1 time. It botts up and installs Kubuntu. Unplug network, reboot it. Boots up into kdm etc etc
[04:17] <hyper_ch> hiho, is there a way to sync Kontact and Outlook?
[04:17] <intelikey> genii but when you reboot it reconfigs    no ?
[04:18] <genii> intelikey I do not think so because the preseed values for i810 driver, colour depth mouse type keubd layout  etc etc were all successfully configured in the preseed file
[04:18] <genii> Just the default modes seem screwy
[04:19] <michaelpo> how do you make gaim auto join a # of certain server?
[04:19] <intelikey> hmmm genii    if it's not in /etc/init.d/somethingoranother  idk.
[04:20] <intelikey> back later maybe.
[04:20] <genii> intelikey I'm dissecting the entire thing now
[04:20] <genii> bleh
[04:21] <genii> Jucato Any ideas on that?
[04:21] <MuJ> I just noticed my multimedia keys work without tweaking in edgy but how can I config what happens from which button?
[04:21] <Jucato> genii: on?
[04:21] <Jucato> genii: as you can see, I'm using Konvi :P
[04:21] <Jucato> er nvm...
[04:21] <Jucato> thought it was a CTCP version request :P
[04:21] <genii> Jucato What preseed value or boot parameter may specify to use 1024x768 instead of 1280x1024
[04:22] <genii> Heh :)
[04:22] <Jucato> hm... not sure... vga=791?
[04:22] <genii> hmm interesting
[04:22] <Jucato> I tend not to mess with boot stuff...
[04:22] <genii> :) I understand
[04:23] <Jucato> although I'm dying to throw out USplash and use Splashy instead...
[04:23] <genii> I think I need to go make a coffee run and think about it on the front step with a cig
[04:24] <jtmoney> how do i install the 686 kernel? it says it's "obsolete" now =(
[04:25] <jtmoney> no, i don't want to compile one from scratch
[04:25] <Jucato> why do you need the 686 kernel?
[04:25] <Jucato> !generic | jtmoney
[04:25] <ubotu> jtmoney: Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[04:25] <jtmoney> ubotu: thank you
[04:25] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[04:26] <Jucato> lol!
[04:26] <Jucato> finally, an intelligent response to that :)
[04:27] <x-factor_> !italian
[04:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about italian - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:27] <jtmoney> Jucato: thank you hah
[04:28] <x-factor_> !italian languadge
[04:28] <Jucato> !it | x-factor_
[04:28] <ubotu> x-factor_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:28] <jtmoney> now one more quesiton... why is kubuntu so much faster than opensuse? ;)
[04:28] <Jucato> hahaha
[04:28] <jtmoney> i'm serious, suse crawled on my machine
[04:31] <x-factor_> !language
[04:31] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:31] <x-factor_> !set language
[04:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about set language - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:34] <Schuenemann> Jucato: have you recompiled your kernel?
[04:34] <montoya> Hi, kdevelop is translated on italian?
[04:35] <Jucato> Schuenemann: hm.. just last week, but just as an exercise... didn't absolutely needed to
[04:35] <Schuenemann> does it really get faster? worth it?
[04:35] <Jucato> haven't noticed, tbh
[04:36] <Schuenemann> hmmm
[04:36] <Schuenemann> how much time did it take?
[04:36] <Jucato> compiling? didn't notice either. I slept through it lol
[04:36] <Schuenemann> many hours huh?
[04:37] <Jucato> not that many, I think...
[04:37] <jellybear> hi there
[04:38] <Schuenemann> I'll pass... you didn't notice any change
[04:39] <Jucato> Schuenemann: probably because my hardware didn't need special kernel stuff...
[04:39] <Jucato> Schuenemann: also, I didn't really configure or optimize the kernel I built... was too scared to do that lol
[04:39] <Schuenemann> well, what changed then?
[04:40] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago!!! (belated) merry christmas!! :)
[04:40] <Jucato> Schuenemann: new kernel :)
[04:40] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[04:40] <dimitris> hi
[04:40] <Schuenemann> new kernel, but the same as the old one?
[04:40] <dimitris> kaneis apo greece;
[04:41] <Schuenemann> !gr
[04:41] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr     /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[04:41] <Jucato> Schuenemann: 2.6.19 kernel using (most of) the config of the default Kubuntu Edgy kernel
[04:41] <Schuenemann> the version is not stable?
[04:41] <seb_> hi
[04:42] <Jucato> Schuenemann: what do you mean? 2.6.19.1 is the latest stable kernel version
[04:42] <Jucato> Schuenemann: I used this guide: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/CompilingYourOwnKernel
[04:42] <Schuenemann> I don't get it
[04:43] <Schuenemann> what version you had before?
[04:43] <Admiral_Chicago> hehe is that Hawk's guide?
[04:43] <Jucato> Schuenemann: the default Edgy kernel is 2.6.17-xx
[04:43] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: sort of :)
[04:43] <jellybear> q: i have a kubuntu 6.10 installed on a usb-stick, which seems to run fine except one important detail: network connections. when running /etc/init.d/networking (or dhclient3 respectively) as root it keeps telling me "Permission denied" upon running /lib/dhcp3-client/call-dhclient-script. checked access rights on all libraries involved and their containing directories and they seem to be ok. tried to remove and add user/group
[04:43] <jellybear> dhcp with ids 101/100 - no success. tried 'apt-get install --reinstall dhcp3-client' - no success either. any ideas as of what might be the problem?
[04:43] <seb_> does someone know how to make konquerror use the buttos back/forw from ones mouse? they works with firefox but not with konquerror :s
[04:44] <Schuenemann> isn't the new version available as update? you had to recompile it yourself?
[04:44] <Jucato> Schuenemann: the kernel version that I compiled was 2.6.19
[04:44] <Jucato> and no, there's no 2.6.19 kernel available yet for Dapper
[04:44] <Schuenemann> but you're using edgy!
[04:45] <Jucato> Schuenemann: no problem there
[04:45] <Jucato> er sorry
[04:45] <Jucato> getting sleepy lol
[04:45] <Jucato> 2.6.19 is not available for Edgy yet
[04:45] <Jucato> ew?
[04:46] <Schuenemann> do you compiled because it was not available yet?
[04:46] <Schuenemann> so
 Schuenemann: hm.. just last week, but just as an exercise... didn't absolutely needed to
[04:47] <Schuenemann> confusing
[04:47] <Jucato> I compiled it because I wanted to learn/see how it was done
[04:47] <Schuenemann> ok
[04:47] <Jucato> I don't need to compile a kernel because of hardware or anything. I just wanted to.
[04:47] <genii> Jucato did you menuconfig or hand editing ? ;)
[04:47] <Jucato> and I compiled a kernel that was not available in Edgy yet
[04:48] <Jucato> genii: xconfig?
[04:49] <Jucato> I just used the guide I posted above...
[04:49] <Jucato> I'm no kernel expert, so...
[04:49] <genii> Jucato I'm sure you will be soon :)
[04:49] <Schuenemann> the guide does not cover optimization
 Schuenemann: also, I didn't really configure or optimize the kernel I built... was too scared to do that lol
[04:49] <Schuenemann> I see
[04:50] <genii> On my old RH I used to recompile my kernel every 2 weeks or so LOL
[04:51] <Schuenemann> masoquism?
[04:51] <genii> Schuenemann USB devices :)
[04:51] <Admiral_Chicago> might want to check out http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[04:51] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: covers optimization?
[04:51] <Schuenemann> genii: infrared?
[04:51] <Admiral_Chicago> i dunno, i just found the link now
[04:51] <Admiral_Chicago> let me check
[04:52] <Jucato> lol
[04:52] <Jucato> baaad Admiral_Chicago... :P
[04:52] <genii> Schuenemann No, mainly at that time non-standard mass-stoage like obscure reader such as sddr-51 sandisk smartmedia reader etc etc
[04:53] <Admiral_Chicago> no i don't think it does
[04:53] <genii> Stupid little cheapo things you need kernel support somehow for
[04:53] <Schuenemann> optimization might be very specific, hard to put in a guide
[04:54] <Jucato> yeah, but maybe general guidelines for specific optimizations lol
[04:54] <genii> I did a recompile for the bonding driver before too for testing
[04:56] <genii> Also if you want an MPI or other type cluster kernel you will need to learn compiling
[04:57] <Schuenemann> I have a book about that, but it's very old
[04:57] <genii> Jucato :)
[04:57] <hyper_ch> why do I get this error message: "Could not start process for imap" in KMail/Kontact?
[04:57] <Schuenemann> 1996
[04:58] <genii> Your email server only uses pop?
[04:58] <hyper_ch> genii: nope, it's imap... works perfectly with TB
[04:59] <genii> hyper_ch Ah OK :) No immediate other ideas then
[04:59] <hyper_ch> genii: could it be because I'm on xubuntu?
[05:00] <genii> hyper_ch Well, that Kmail/Kontact works there at all is a bit surprising
[05:00] <hyper_ch> genii: why shouldn't it work?
[05:01] <genii> hyper_ch Normally dependant on stuff in kde-core etc etc
[05:01] <hyper_ch> genii: I run quite a few kde appz:  k3b, amarok, konversation, krdc, krfb, kopete, kftpgrabber, ....
[05:02] <genii> amarok is not neccesarily a kde app but OK I see you must somewhere have the kdelibs then
[05:03] <fdoving> the apps usually start whatever they need to run, in the background.
[05:03] <genii> I would usually think the point to running xfce would be to rid the clutter etc LOL
[05:04] <hyper_ch> genii: I don't like the KDE Desktop much but some of the appz are really great
[05:05] <genii> hyper_ch Well, anyhow... some clue may be found in the system logs... have you looked there yet?
[05:06] <genii> hyper_ch Also may be informative if the same apps work when run from kde but not xfce. Could be some issue relating to where the user conf files are.
[05:06] <hyper_ch> genii: no, haven't yet
[05:07] <hyper_ch> evolution also works fine but I'd rather use Kontact
[05:07] <Schuenemann> houw about thunderbird?
[05:08] <soulrider> !xorg
[05:08] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:08] <Schuenemann> how*
[05:08] <genii> hyper_ch /var/log/messages   or /var/log/syslog may have some hints
[05:08] <Schuenemann> hyper_ch: tried thunderbird?
[05:08] <hyper_ch> genii: syslog shows nothing
[05:08] <hyper_ch> Schuenemann: tb works
[05:08] <hyper_ch> Schuenemann: that's what I use up to now
[05:08] <Schuenemann> don't you like it?
[05:09] <fdoving> hyper_ch: ~/.xsession-errors might have some hints.
[05:09] <paulw_vm> hyper_ch: I don't know how you're starting Kmail but you might want to start it in a terminal as that will sometimes display errors.
[05:09] <Schuenemann> paulw_vm: all the times, to me
[05:10] <hyper_ch> running from terminal helps :)   http://www.phpfi.com/188673
[05:11] <hyper_ch> Schuenemann: I would like a PIM and KMail has one advantage over TB... when you forward emails in KMail you can edit the content of the forwarded email... you can't do that in TB or Evolution.....
[05:11] <hyper_ch> why does it say unknown protocol "imap"?
[05:12] <paulw_vm> Schuenemann: yes, me too.
[05:12] <Schuenemann> hyper_ch: I never noticed that, but maybe there's an extension
[05:12] <fdoving> hyper_ch: do you have the package 'kdepim-kio-plugins' installed?
[05:12] <Schuenemann> paulw_vm: I found this: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0
[05:13] <hyper_ch> fdoving: nope, that wasn't... isntalling it now
[05:13] <fdoving> hyper_ch: that'll do it. i guess.
[05:13] <hyper_ch> fdoving: yes, now I only need to set the account data correctly :)
[05:14] <hyper_ch> I'm still confused about this Plain, login, ..... things... don't have that on TB
[05:15] <genii> yes kio-plugins looks to be the most obvious culprit here
[05:15] <fdoving> hyper_ch: plain is OK if you can use secure imap, tls/ssl somehow. if not, try to use something else.
[05:15] <genii> you may need notls sometimes
[05:15] <hyper_ch> fdoving: I think it's no ecryption and "login"
[05:16] <KaIxOk> Ciao
[05:16] <KaIxOk> mi potete aiutare
[05:16] <KaIxOk> ??
[05:16] <Schuenemann> !it
[05:16] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:16] <fdoving> !it | kaixok
[05:16] <ubotu> kaixok: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:17] <DaSkreech> hyper_ch: You know you can use a different desktop and run KDE apps right? :)
[05:18] <hyper_ch> DaSkreech: yes, that's what I'm doing :) I run Xfce
[05:18] <DaSkreech> WEll done :)
[05:19] <hyper_ch> just two more questions on Kmail: How can I make that when sending email that KMail will put the message into the sent box of the imap account? And how can I download all messages (and attachments) automatically for offline usage?
[05:21] <fdoving> hyper_ch: you can select the folder for sendt messages for each identity. in the identity config, under advanced.
[05:23] <wanatroo> does someone use a mouse with more than 3 buttons in konquerror?
[05:25] <fdoving> hyper_ch: as for the latter, you must select 'Disconnected IMAP' when adding the account.
[05:25] <hyper_ch> fdoving: thx :)
[05:27] <ankan_> I have a swedish keyboard but not all keys are showing a light in "xkbwatch"
[05:27] <ankan_> any ideas how I can go about to debug this?
[05:27] <dropsl> hi
[05:28] <Schuenemann> !se |  ankan_
[05:28] <ubotu> ankan_: Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[05:28] <hyper_ch> fdoving: and where can I connect an identity with a certain email account? I have for multiple domains multiple IMAP accounts :)
[05:28] <Schuenemann> might help :p
[05:28] <dropsl> i have a problem. kpowersave does not display the charge state of the battery... so i have to look manually in /proc/acpi/battery... does anoyne how to fix this? acpid and powersaved daemons are running...
[05:29] <genii> heh os390 ...damn fine batch processor that
[05:30] <fdoving> hyper_ch: not sure you can do that on accounts, you can however do it on mailboxes, rightclick -> properties -> sender , or something like that.
[05:32] <hyper_ch> fdoving: thx :)
[05:33] <dropsl> acpi -b does return something right though... but why does kpowersave not recognize this?
[05:36] <genii> Crap is sysbell \7 or \13 ? I forgot
[05:36] <paulw_vm> Schuenemann: thx for the link, took forever to load with daughter playing online games on wife's machine  :)
[05:37] <genii> eg :   echo $'\#'
[05:38] <genii> nvm 7
[05:41] <lokeey> everyone here a kubuntu user?
[05:41] <hyper_ch> nope
[05:42] <genii> perhaps *ubuntu then LOL
[05:42] <lokeey> heheh...right
[05:42] <lokeey> i got a quick one...
[05:42] <lokeey> i'm using Kubuntu Edgy...
[05:42] <lokeey> just got a new monitor...Widescreen...HANNS-G...
[05:43] <genii> And evrything looks stretched out?
[05:43] <lokeey> tweaked the settings...still have what appears to be a 1024x768 or 1280 res...although, the clarity is much improved...
[05:44] <lokeey> anyone have similar monitor?
[05:44] <Pirate-king> what is a good program to interface with an ipod?
[05:44] <cathal> update manager seems to only pick up security updates and not all updates, is it supposed to only do security updates?
[05:44] <TheDebugger> Pirate-king: Amarok does it
[05:44] <Pirate-king> ok
[05:45] <genii> cathal No, all updates for whatever you have installed. Just there are not tons of them usually
[05:45] <lokeey> yeah...somewhat stretched out...looked blurry...but it looks better now
[05:45] <lokeey> genii, yes...so now i'm just wondering...how i can get it down to look a bit smaller without losing the clarity
[05:46] <cathal> genii: thx, its just i ran full upgrade in adapt recently and it picked up loads of updates that the update manager didn't
[05:46] <Pirate-king> what kind of firewall is in kubuntu?
[05:46] <Pirate-king> and antivirus?
[05:46] <genii> lokeey Perhaps pick some resolution that gives 16:9 aspect ratio eg:1980x1020 or1280x720
[05:47] <lokeey> right...yeah i've done that...i even ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg which helped a lil
[05:47] <genii> cathal upgrade is different than update
[05:48] <cathal> genii: yea i taught so, just makin sure thx
[05:48] <genii> cathal upgrade = go to next kernel version/app version etc etc   update = get neccessary fixes
[05:50] <hyperactivecrond> ubuntu's wiki is timing out constantly...
[05:50] <hyperactivecrond> d'oh firewall
[05:50] <hyperactivecrond> nvm
[05:51] <hyper_ch> fdoving: do you know how I can create pgp keys for us with kontact?
[05:51] <genii> lokeey when you look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf file does it have a display mode like that under section where DefaultDepth    and so on is?
[05:54] <fdoving> hyper_ch: don't know, kgpg might help you.
[05:54] <lokeey> genii, yes...
[05:54] <genii> lokeey Well, OK then it likkely already using the proper resolution
[05:54] <lokeey> and it has the modes in there...1440x900
[05:55] <genii> So it would likely be in Monitor sections someplace
[05:56] <genii> eg Default Screen or similar
[05:57] <lokeey> yeah
[05:57] <genii> <- AFK, customer
[05:58] <lokeey> brb
[06:03] <hatta> holy crap, I installed a png icon theme and suddenly kde is usable
[06:03] <hatta> man I was almost going to go back to fluxbox too
[06:04] <lokeey> hahah...
[06:04] <lokeey> fluxbox is cool
[06:04] <hatta> yeah I still like it, but I'd like this box to have a desktop anyone can use
[06:12] <lokeey> damn! think i'll go make myself one, too!
[06:13] <genii> Interesting... I forced the xorg.conf file resolutions by cp over a known good config during the automated install but now it just keeps restarting the system log and no kdm
[06:14] <lokeey> hmmm...mine crashed a few minutes before i jumped in here for help
[06:14] <genii> methinks I need to just install 1 system conventioanlly then create a preseed from that install
[06:16] <lokeey> that's what i was trying to do when i got this monitor...and now i can't get sound from amarok
[06:17] <lokeey> i was also using easyubuntu...and now i'm having probs with that, too
[06:18] <genii> lokeey :(
[06:21] <tony_> im looking for small mp3 player that that allow skin costomization .there was one for linux , i forgot the name . is it beep or bep or somehting
[06:21] <ccc> tony_: beep-media-player possibly
[06:21] <tony_> thanks
[06:21] <ccc> bmp
[06:22] <lokeey> i'll figure it out, tho...no big deal
[06:23] <Guard] [an> what's a good emule clone ?
[06:26] <lokeey> aight...gonna get at this Gears game
[06:26] <lokeey> thnx for ur help, genii
[06:26] <genii> lokeey np, have fun
[06:27] <tony_> how can i stop some apps to start on kubuntu startup ???? such as amarok
[06:30] <wmcinnis> hi i got a question iam trying to install this program and iam getting this error .: 1565: linux.config: not found
[06:30] <citr0n> Hello. My KWallet loses all my passwords when I restart my computer. Anyone knows a way to fix this problem?
[06:30] <hyperactivecrond> wmcinnis: what program
[06:30] <hyperactivecrond> are you using apt-get to install it?
[06:31] <hyperactivecrond> are you compiling it from source?
[06:31] <wmcinnis> its dazuko
[06:31] <wmcinnis> its a kernel module
[06:32] <hyperactivecrond> do you have kernel source installed?
[06:32] <wmcinnis> yes
[06:32] <wmcinnis> i think its in this program
[06:32] <hyperactivecrond> uh no
[06:32] <hyperactivecrond> probably not
[06:32] <wmcinnis> well i went into the file
[06:32] <wmcinnis> and ran ./configure
[06:32] <wmcinnis> and got the same error
[06:33] <hyperactivecrond> ok well do me a favor and run uname -r and tell me what that outputs
[06:34] <hyperactivecrond> (from a terminal)
[06:34] <wmcinnis> 2.6.17-10-386
[06:35] <hyperactivecrond> ok, do sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.17
[06:36] <wmcinnis> linux-source-2.6.17 is already the newest version.
[06:36] <TheDebugger> Anyone has the dumb problem of having his statusbar in amarok messed up when playing a song?
[06:37] <TheDebugger> It displays HTML instead
[06:37] <hyperactivecrond> wmcinnas: cd /usr/src/; ls
[06:37] <wmcinnis> dazuko.tar.gz  linux  linux-headers-2.6.17-10  linux-headers-2.6.17-10-386  linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic  linux-source-2.6.17.tar.bz2  mga-vid.tar.gz  modules
[06:38] <hyperactivecrond> wmcinnas: tar -xjvf linux-source-2.6.17.tar.bz2
[06:38] <hyperactivecrond> wmcinnas: sudo tar -xjvf linux-source-2.6.17.tar.bz2
[06:38] <hyperactivecrond> sorry need the sudo
[06:39] <wmcinnis> got it
[06:39] <wmcinnis> had to remove dash
[06:40] <hyperactivecrond> uh you need the dash iirc
[06:40] <hyperactivecrond> oh i get it
[06:40] <hyperactivecrond> in linux-source
[06:40] <hyperactivecrond> nvm
[06:42] <hyperactivecrond> after tar finsishes, try recompiling your package
[06:42] <hyperactivecrond> s/package/program
[06:43] <hate> anyone here have any experience with nvidia driver install.. .im new to linux and need some help
[06:43] <steveire> Anyone have a relatively new installation and able to tell me kubuntu font defaults?
[06:44] <hate> steveire i can tell you if you tell me what im looking for... just installed 30 min ago
[06:45] <steveire> hate: Ok, well I'll see if I can give you a hand first. I don't know about NVidia, but what is your question?
[06:45] <trappist> !nvidia > hate
[06:46] <hate> ty
[06:47] <steveire> I'm looking for the font defaults for kubuntu. KMenu > System settings > Fonts or something. Can someone tell me which fonts are used for each type?
[06:50] <Lam_> is there a faster way to perform this tasK? :: $ md5sum A/* > A.md5  $ md5sum B/* > B.md5  $ cat A.md5 B.md5 > C.md5
[06:52] <steveire> Lam_: Join them with &&?
[06:53] <Lam_> steveire: not what i had in mind, but thanks for the suggestion
[06:53] <steveire> Lam_: md5sum A/* > A.md5  && md5sum B/* > B.md5  && cat A.md5 B.md5 > C.md5
[06:53] <steveire> You could use python
[06:54] <tony_> is there mail notifier that can check hotmail accounts ???
[06:54] <tony_> and stay in system try
[06:54] <tony_> ?
[06:54] <steveire> Lam_: Could you look in kcontrol > fonts and tell me what defaults you have?
[06:54] <Lam_> sans serif
[06:54] <steveire> tony_: I think kmail does notifications
[06:54] <Lam_> except for fixed width. that one is monospace
[06:54] <born> hello
[06:55] <steveire> Lam_: Hmmm, My fonts look quite crap. I've done a minimal install, and I remember them looking better before.
[06:55] <tony_> i used kmail, but it wont look at the hotmail.
[06:55] <tony_> im using tunderbird onw
[06:56] <tony_> problme with hotmail is that  pop and smtp is not known to public. so i can not set that up
[06:56] <steveire> tony_: gotmail?
[06:56] <tony_> :|
[06:56] <Lam_> steveire: try turning antialiasing for fonts on, with full hinting
[06:56] <tony_> i will check that out on google
[06:56] <tony_> thanks
[06:56] <genii> Heh think i have the resolution thing licked but I'll know after another complete automated install :)
[06:57] <steveire> Lam_: I've got that already. RGB hinting. The fonts look like they did under dapper. I don't know what changed in edgy to make them look nicer. I'll get a livecd or something.
[06:57] <genii> commented examples in the conf file = wrong syntax
[06:57] <steveire> tony_: sudo aptitude install gotmail
[06:57] <hastesaver> Hi, I just switched to KDE and it looks ugly (maybe i've changed something); how do I revert all changes? is it ok to delete ~/.kde ?
[06:57] <tony_> steveire thanks
[06:58] <Lam_> steveire: i don't use a sub pixel hinting. i just use full hinting style
[06:58] <animimotus> after a rm -rf ~ could my sister retrieve her datas ?
[06:58] <Lam_> animimotus: nope. you're pretty much screwed
[06:58] <Lam_> animimotus: i did that on my Desktop once. it was horrible
[06:58] <steveire> Lam_: Cheers. I'll check it out. I'll have to restart applications to wsee effects...
[06:59] <hastesaver> animimotus, find a recovery expert. Usually, yes. Don't muck about with it yourself (or even boot); you might ruin it
[06:59] <Chousuke> it's possible, but you probably need an expert to do it :P
[06:59] <animimotus> sp no way ? with a live cd ?
[06:59] <tony_> reading the site . that way to complex for me to configure ..
[06:59] <animimotus> * so no way ?
[06:59] <hastesaver> animimotus, cough up enough money, and you're sure to get most of your data back :-)
[06:59] <Lam_> animimotus: if you really want to try to recover the data, try not altering the disk. any continuous disk writes could potentially destroy the data by writing over it
[07:00] <genii> animimotus Thats about right
[07:00] <animimotus> so with what kind of command on tools ?
[07:00] <animimotus> * or
[07:01] <hastesaver> animimotus, see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4500482.stm There's a lot that experts can do; but probably rm -rf is worse than "physical" accidents :-)
[07:01] <steveire> animimotus: Look up hirens boot cd. Might help
[07:01] <steveire> rm -rf is dangerous
[07:01] <genii> You need a diskeditor etc
[07:01] <steveire> Alias rm to rm -i if I were you.
[07:01] <hastesaver> animimotus, and in general, install libtrash and all that stuff...
[07:02] <hastesaver> steveire, bad idea. I know people who've gotten used to *always* typing \rm instead of rm :-)
[07:02] <steveire> hehe
[07:02] <genii> Then you need to have some idea where the first entry is for the files, find it, change some bytes back to make the sectors think data is on it etc etc.... horrible horrible stuff
[07:04] <hastesaver> steveire, I've aliased rm to "rm -v". I've learnt to be careful, but the couple of types I've done something wrong; I've been able to stop before too much bad happens. Without the "-v", you might wait a long time, wonder why it's taking so long, before reaching epiphany :-)
[07:04] <karmikaze> anyone else get beryl problems where windows come up just black
[07:05] <genii> You could try gddrescue if you're really desperate but I doubt it would work too well
[07:06] <hastesaver> animimotus, packages: libtrash (no use now), e2undel, foremost, gddrescue (any others?)
[07:06] <MrVincent> Hey guys I'm having some problems with my Kubuntu installation. I had an old 20Gig Hard Drive and a 3.2Gig on, the 3.2 one with Windows ME on it. I booted on the Kubuntu live CD and went to install it. When came the disk choice part, I chose the 20 Gig and the 3.2 was not supposed to be touched. Now neither of the disks boot correctly, the 3.2 alone mentions Grub even if Linux is not supposed to be on it and the 20 Gig says it has 
[07:08] <Ardarandir> MrVincent: so you have your small harddisk configured als being first one
[07:08] <hastesaver> animimotus, two more, mondo and recover. Thanks to you, I now have a list of packages I plan to try :-)
[07:08] <animimotus> hastesaver: ^^
[07:09] <MrVincent> Yes, if I unplug the 20Gig and boot on the 3.2, it talks about Grub. During Kubuntu's installation I chose to install it on the 20g and leave the 3.2 untouched. How come now the 3.2 talks about Grub when the 20g is not plugged?
[07:09] <Ardarandir> MrVincent: i guess, grub has been installed in the bootsector of the 3.2 GB one, but coz you switched your disks in your BIOS, it is not linked correctly
[07:09] <animimotus> hastesaver: so could we try together ?
[07:09] <MrVincent> So you mean Windows ME is still there?
[07:09] <genii> MrVincent because grub likes to be on the master boot record of the first hard drive.
[07:09] <Ardarandir> MrVincent: coz GRUB has been written to the 3.2-Bootsector
[07:09] <Ardarandir> MrVincent: sure
[07:09] <genii> yes, ME/Windoz still there
[07:10] <hastesaver> animimotus, except that I haven't lost any important data, and can afford to make mistakes or try sub-optimal solutions. :-)
[07:10] <Ardarandir> MrVincent: its just the bootsector...
[07:10] <Ardarandir> MrVincent: do a "map (1,0) (0,1)" or like that to the GRUB-bootmenu
[07:11] <Ardarandir> MrVincent: which is to be changed via /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:11] <Ardarandir> wth "nano" e.g.
[07:11] <Ardarandir> i gotta reboot for a new kernel... good luck!
[07:13] <genii> MrVincent If you hit ESC when grub message starts do you get a selection to choose from?
[07:13] <genii> (that is the normal mode of operation)
[07:13] <VR_> how do i get the latest amarok version in dapper?
[07:14] <MrVincent> Right now I'm putting back the 20 G in
[07:14] <MrVincent> So I have both of them
[07:15] <genii> MrVincent if grub is properly seeing the file menu.lst on the 20g, hitting ESC when it starts with grub stage 1.5 etc should pull up a list of operating systems it knows about
[07:16] <MrVincent> Yeah
[07:16] <genii> MrVincent 3.2G = /dev.hda  20G = /dev/hdb   etc
[07:16] <MrVincent> The problem was that grub didn't see the 20G at all :)
[07:16] <genii> */dev/hda*
[07:16] <MrVincent> Yeah I know that...
[07:16] <MrVincent> Hey btw once you have Dapper installed, is it easy to switch to Edgy?
[07:17] <genii> MrVincent I would assume (normally) That 3.2 is master on first IDE cable and 20g is slave on master IDE cable?
[07:17] <MrVincent> Yeha
[07:18] <genii> OK, so hopefully linux was put to /dev/hdb2 and not some partition of /dev/hda then by mistake (very common mixup)
[07:18] <MrVincent> Well I chose hdb in the installation
[07:18] <MrVincent> Shouldn't be on hda
[07:19] <genii> MrVincent Did you tell grub to install to hdb or to hda?
[07:19] <genii> hda= preferred
[07:19] <MrVincent> It didn't ask for Grub
[07:19] <MrVincent> It asked for Kubuntu itself
[07:20] <Ardarandir> re
[07:20] <genii> During install--- it has some part where it asks where to put the bootloader usually. The second mistake would be to say put it on /dev/hdb or /dev/hdb2     etc etc
[07:21] <genii> instead of master boot record on first drive eg: /dev/hda
[07:21] <MrVincent> I'm installing DApper btw
[07:21] <genii> but if 3.2 shows grub prompt likely it installed there
[07:22] <genii> MrVincent it is the same in any *ubuntu install
[07:23] <MrVincent> Oh... Well it's booting fine now anyway
[07:23] <MrVincent> Grub popped and I chose Kubuntu, yay it works :)
[07:23] <genii> Heh :) Good. To see the windoze as a selection, as before, hit ESC before grub starts to boot an OS
[07:23] <MrVincent> Well Windows was in the list
[07:24] <MrVincent> But why would I choose it over Kubuntu anyway :P
[07:24] <genii> :)
[07:24] <MrVincent> I kept it because that's the last Hard Drive with ME fully upgraded I could get, they don't let you download the updates anymore. Our first comp too
[07:24] <genii> Win ME = seriously borked more than usual M$ stuff anyhow
[07:26] <MrVincent> Alright so now I have Ubuntu on a 200G at my mother's place and Kubuntu on a 20G at my father's... What a great way to start using Linux and learn :) Heh and I received Redhat and Fedora CDs for Christmas ^^
[07:27] <genii> MrVincent if you like checking out all the linux flavours go to distrowatch.com :)
[07:28] <MrVincent> Alright
[07:29] <genii> I use some embedded distros like what comes with Asterisk@home  (Centos) etc or Linuxrouter (later Coyote)
[07:29] <jason__> .
[07:31] <MrVincent> Hey was it you that found a DNS for me last night when I was trying to connect to the internet? In the Ottawa area? How did you do it?
[07:31] <genii> MrVincent Yes :) Glad you remembered
[07:32] <genii> MrVincent as it happens I work for a Toronto ISP, we used to have Magma as our wholesale DSL supplier so I knew about their setup
[07:33] <MrVincent> I see, could you give me the DNS again? It wasn't saved with the installation
[07:33] <genii> MrVincent LOL alright give me a minute
[07:35] <Admiral_Chicago> irvin: type this. /join #ubuntu-chicago
[07:35] <MHK> did somebody install Openoffice2.1?
[07:35] <jason__> hello everyone
[07:35] <genii> MrVincent dns1.magma.ca = 206.191.0.203  dns2.magma.ca = 206.191.0.139
[07:35] <MrVincent> Thanks a lot
[07:36] <genii> np
[07:36] <jason__> im brand new to kubuntu...and am wondering how to get flash player and java to work in firefox
[07:36] <Admiral_Chicago> !restricted
[07:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:36] <MHK> !restricted
[07:36] <jason__> use the restricted depository??
[07:36] <MHK> !restricted | MHK
[07:36] <ubotu> MHK: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:36] <MHK> restricted
[07:37] <Narada> hi guys; what do i add to my sources.lst if i want a package from feisty?
[07:38] <genii> Narada Exact same layout as any dapper or edgy just change those to read feisty instead
[07:38] <Narada> genii: hmm can i have both edgy and feisty in my sources
[07:38] <genii> Narada You are running feisty or some other and only want a package from there??
[07:39] <Narada> genii: running edgy but want trac from feisty
[07:39] <genii> mixing dists = no good
[07:39] <genii> I wouldn't do it
[07:39] <Narada> genii: yeah but the trac in edgy is f*cked
[07:39] <Narada> they should backport it :(
[07:39] <Narada> which they haven't done
[07:39] <Narada> i just don't understand why they don't have one tree so everyone can share in the releases
[07:39] <genii> !trac
[07:39] <ubotu> trac is an open source, enhanced wiki and issue tracking system for software development projects. Look here for a Trac How To on Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTracHowto
[07:40] <genii> bah doesn't say what subdir in repo
[07:40] <Narada> genii: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/trac/+bug/76332
[07:40] <Narada> genii: rejected
[07:40] <genii> If you know what subdir you could add just that line and chance it...but again I would say it is risky business
[07:40] <Narada> sigh this sucks :)
[07:41] <Narada> s/:)/:(/
[07:41] <MrVincent> Alright brb
[07:41] <TheDebugger> I want a libgpod backport so i could get album arts on my ipod..
[07:41] <dec_> is there a way to upgrade to the latest version of ubuntu from terminal?
[07:41] <Narada> just makes me want to go back to single tree distros
[07:41] <genii> wtf? automated netboot install went AOK but empty xorg.conf now .... BLEH
[07:41] <Narada> dec_: yeah just to a google search there's plenty of pages with that info
[07:46] <genii> !libnewt
[07:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libnewt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:46] <genii> hmm
[07:46] <genii> !newt
[07:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about newt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:46] <genii> ubou You disappoint me :)
[07:47] <genii> ^ ubotu
[07:49] <mots> just wanted to install kde -dev packages
[07:49] <mots> wasn't able to do so, as
[07:49] <mots> libarts1-dev:
[07:49] <mots>   Hngt ab: libarts1c2a (=1.5.4-0ubuntu1), aber es wird 1.5.5-0ubuntu1 installiert.
[07:49] <mots>   Hngt ab: libartsc0-dev (=1.5.4-0ubuntu1), aber es wird 1.5.5-0ubuntu1 installiert.
[07:49] <genii> mots add devel  to the lists of repos in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:51] <genii> If I understand the german it is sayiong you have later versions already installed
[07:51] <BeLinux> isch habe problm mit ISA
[07:51] <cathal> with gftp, if a folder contains more than 2 subfolders, everthing with the 3rd subfolder and after is not transfered
[07:52] <BeLinux> mots: wie aktiviere ich meine ISA PnP Netzwerkkarte in Kubuntu
[07:52] <genii> cathal use wget
[07:52] <fdoving> mots: you've found a "bug", the arts version numbers in edgy are lower than the ones at kubuntu.org, force a downgrade with apt-get install packagename=version
[07:52] <fdoving> !de | belinux
[07:52] <ubotu> belinux: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:52] <genii> isch habe problam mit alle ISA
[07:52] <genii> LOL
[07:53] <BeLinux> k english then here
[07:53] <BeLinux> hehe genii
[07:53] <cathal> genii: cant don't have shell access on this perticular server
[07:53] <BeLinux> how do i activate an ISA PnP Nic in Kubuntu?
[07:53] <genii> BeLinux :)
[07:53] <ibert> hi! does anybody know a manual for the syntax of the authorized_keys2 file? I want to activate only some few commands.
[07:53] <genii> BeLinux your better bet is to specify irq addfress etc in /etc/modules
[07:54] <BeLinux> genii my programmin skills are limited...IRQ? well..its a PnP card
[07:54] <genii> eg 3c905  <new line>  alias eth1 3c905 irq=5 addr=220    <-- like so
[07:55] <BeLinux> what is isapnp? is there an easy way of doing it?
[07:55] <BeLinux> oh i see..well..i can try that..but can i do this over a GUI?
[07:55] <genii> BeLinux What is the model of your nic? Some have a way to use a dos boot disk with a small config program with which to set the hardware for old OS like win95 etc
[07:56] <BeLinux> code of any kind causes headdache to me..
[07:56] <BeLinux> ATI Telesyn 2000 PnP ISA
[07:56] <BeLinux> this card runs out of the box in stinkin windows
[07:57] <BeLinux> wondering why not in linux
[07:57] <genii> BeLinux You can use sudo Konsole then open it in some editor like nano
[07:58] <genii> BeLinux If you can and still have windoze, go to control panel there and write down the irq etc etc it uses there.
[07:58] <genii> Then need to find which module or chipset it needs
[07:58] <genii> (for linux operation)
[07:59] <BeLinux> no config tool for ISA cards out there?
[07:59] <genii> BeLinux especially if it is an OEM intel EEPro, no
[07:59] <BeLinux> by the way at startup, at the very beginning i see isapnp and then the name of my card!
[07:59] <BeLinux> but in the GUI its nowhere...
[08:00] <genii> Perhaps you have multiple nics?
[08:00] <BeLinux> genii: i eliminated  windows and microsoft out of my life
[08:00] <genii> If more than just eth0 sometimes an entry in /etc/network/interfaces  for extended ethX is needed
[08:01] <BeLinux> no microsoft products in my house now
[08:01] <BeLinux> genii: yes, 2
[08:01] <genii> BeLinux Then examine /etc/networking/interfaces   for an eth1   entry
[08:01] <BeLinux> one is this one..realtek (ADSL),,ther other the ISA card for my  home network
[08:02] <BeLinux> ok just a moment
[08:03] <BeLinux> iface eth0 inet static
[08:03] <BeLinux> address 127.0.0.1
[08:03] <BeLinux> netmask 255.255.255.0
[08:03] <BeLinux> only eth0
[08:03] <BeLinux> thats my adsl realtek card
[08:05] <genii> OK so then as a test: add in there auto eth1 <new line> iface eth1 inet dhcp               then save it. After you may need to restart networking by /etc/init.d/networking restart
[08:05] <BeLinux> I LAG terribly here, sorry
[08:05] <genii> BeLinux np
[08:06] <genii> BeLinux you will have a disconnect btw from here when /etc/init.d/networking restart
[08:06] <genii> If you get grief editing or running the network scrip use sudo
[08:08] <BeLinux> i lag terribly
[08:08] <genii> BeLinux Ok if that worked, in Konsole   ifconfig   should show  lo  eth0 eth1
[08:09] <genii> perhaps others
[08:09] <BeLinux> i will try it, just a moment
[08:09] <genii> OK
[08:10] <genii> Perhaps no IP for eth1 if no dhcp server there but thats ok
[08:10] <BeLinux> only gives me eth0 ng lo ppp0
[08:10] <BeLinux> linux doesnt like ISA..what a pitty..they say its friendly to old hardware ;)
[08:11] <genii> BeLinux what is the exact make of the isa card?
[08:11] <VR_> i think i have the same problem
[08:11] <genii> eg: dlink 530TX     realtek 8139C    etc
[08:11] <VR_> my card never worked
[08:12] <genii> if pci and isa card same make, need to make an alias for second instance of module etc
[08:14] <VR_> genii: how is that done?
[08:15] <MrVincent> Hey guys no where I could get drivers for my HP Photosmart C6100?
[08:15] <MrVincent> know*
[08:15] <genii> VR_ in /etc/modules you put like so:  alias 8139NEW 8139  <new line> alias eth1 8139NEW <new line> alias eth0 8139
[08:15] <BeLinux> genii: Allied Telesyn AT-2000 Plug and Play Ethernet adapter
[08:15] <genii> As a primitive sample for 2 8139
[08:16] <VR_> genii: i see
[08:16] <VR_> thanks
[08:16] <BeLinux> with  3 different connectors
[08:16] <BeLinux> ne2000 compatibel
[08:16] <jason__> can someone tell me what package i hafta install to get java to work within firefox
[08:17] <genii> so in ne2000 compat use ne2k   as original module name
[08:17] <BeLinux> ok i will try it
[08:17] <genii> most novel ne2k compats use irq 3 and addr 200
[08:17] <genii> sometimes 220
[08:18] <jason__> im a new user and i cant seem to get java applets to work in firefox
[08:18] <genii> AFK, need a walk :)
[08:22] <MrVincent> So where could I get Photosmart c6100 drivers for kubuntu?
[08:28] <BeLinux> genii, thanks see you later
[08:30] <genii> BeLinux np, and good luck :)
[08:30] <genii> wow, zaire
[08:36] <genii> Since it's quiet :)  Anyone successfullt compile Conexant HSF/HCF modem drivers under Edgy yet?
[08:38] <genii> And my current puzzler: Is there an xserver-xorg directive in a preseed file for dapper automated netboot install that can override default /etc/X11/xorg.conf resolutions
[08:39] <genii> If anyone solves that one before me and lets me know I'll buy you an official Ubuntu tshirt
[08:39] <genii> :)
[08:42] <faLUCE> Hi, thi is the result of configure script for a program "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!". Qt are installed, so which flag i have to add when launching configure?
[08:43] <genii> faLUCE You are installing from source?
[08:43] <faLUCE> genii: yes
[08:43] <hackeron_> anyone know a method of realtime encryption of a directory where konqueror/nautilus will just ask for a password?
[08:44] <mm260865> hi ppl:-] 
[08:44] <genii> faLUCE have you compiled anything else on this same system before now? eg: does your system have the proper build-essential kernel-headers  linux-source     etc etc
[08:44] <faLUCE> genii: already solved. thnks anyway
[08:45] <mm260865> I need help!
[08:45] <MrVincent> Hey people, i'm quite new to Linux and I was wondering if .run files downloaded from sourceforge could be trusted? I heard I should not download anything form the net... I'm dling HPLIP which I found from a link from the HP website itself, can it be trusted?
[08:45] <genii> faLUCE :) good   was it -dev needed to be installed for the headers? Just curious
[08:45] <ScarFreewill> whats a nice video converter?
[08:46] <faLUCE> genii: kdebase-dev
[08:46] <nixternal> MrVincent: what is wrong with the HPLIP in Kubuntu?
[08:46] <genii> faLUCE thx
[08:47] <genii> mm260865 What do you need help with?
[08:47] <ZeroSystem> hello, i just installed kubunta when i couldnt enable the wireless network card and it tells me there is something wrong with the window application
[08:49] <genii> The Dr is in :)   (willis that is)
[08:49] <ZeroSystem> hi Dr.
[08:50] <ScarFreewill> whats a nice video converter ? like one that i can convert avi to 3gp and stuffs
[08:51] <genii> Geez both of those are proprietary AND widoze centric to boot
[08:52] <genii> All -> flacc
[08:52] <mm260865> I tried to install kde following the wiki "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-deskotp" and I can not
[08:53] <genii> mm260865 Is there an error which appears when you do this?
[08:53] <genii> eg: can't find package     or anything else
[08:55] <mm260865> yes there is: it's says MD5Sum not the same!
[08:56] <genii> mm260865 before the kubuntu-desktop install, then, use first:   sudo apt-get update
 I did it already...and I ended up with the same error!
[08:57] <smoothies> is there a way to make the icons of newly downloaded object not always pop up at the top left hand corner
[08:57] <genii> mm260865 OK then. What version of ubuntu are you using now? Dapper, egy etc?
[08:57] <genii> *edgy*
[08:57] <mm260865> Ubuntu edgy
[08:58] <genii> mm260865 So then check in /etc/apt/sources.list to make sure it also says edgy  in places and not something like dapper or feisty or hoary etc etc
[09:01] <ZeroSystem> genii, i just installed kubunta 6.10 and it doesnt detects the wireless pci plus the window application things pops saying somethign is wrong with it what should i do ?
[09:01] <smoothies> ZeroSystem, did u install ndiswrapper?
[09:02] <genii> mm260865 If all dist names there match your real installed version, you may need to change the repository which is the default one in there, usually some format like http://COUNTRYCODE.archive.ubuntu.com       etc etc
[09:02] <ZeroSystem> no i dont know what is that
[09:02] <smoothies> ZeroSystem cuz you need ndiswrapper and then use the command: ndiswrapper -i wireless_pci_driver, to get it to work
[09:02] <smoothies> you need to download the latest wireless pci driver from the company's website
[09:02] <ZeroSystem> but company only support windows
[09:03] <smoothies> ....
[09:03] <smoothies> ZeroSystem that's why u need ndiswrapper...
[09:03] <str> Hi all!
[09:03] <genii> ZeroSystem Hello :) Yeah, ndiswrapper is the usual solution. For some Broadcom wireless you need other stuff like fwcutter and so on as well
[09:03] <smoothies> ZeroSystem you still need to download the driver from the company's website
[09:03] <smoothies> ZeroSystem it's supposed to be for windows
[09:03] <smoothies> what's your wireless card?
[09:04] <ZeroSystem> baffalo
[09:04] <ZeroSystem> internal pci
[09:04] <str> I have a wireless conection, and it works fine...  but, what could I do so that my connection always start when I login?
[09:04] <wimpies> hi all, can you use krfb (remote desktop) in reverse mode (i.e. the viewer LISTENS to the server) ?
[09:04] <smoothies> do u also run normal connection?
[09:04] <smoothies> str that question was for u =)
[09:04] <genii> Heh my earlier tshirt offer for the netboot solution is now off the table :) :) I have solved it
[09:04] <wimpies> If not, how can I simulate this (as winVNC can ?)
[09:05] <genii> baffalo is the brand name of the wireless card???
[09:05] <str> smoothies: I only use my wireless conection here in the office, but when I'm @home I do not use it
[09:05] <smoothies> ZeroSystem do you have more than the brand name for ur wireless driver tho?
[09:05] <ZeroSystem> ya a sec let me get the module
[09:06] <smoothies> str wait so the computer your trying to make wireless connect automatically, does that computer use a normal internet connection besides wireless?
[09:06] <genii> mm260865 Are you still alive over there?
[09:06] <smoothies> str cuz i'm thinking you could just disable the normal connection, and wireless would come on automatically
[09:06] <smoothies> str i only use wireless on my desktop and it connects wireless during login
[09:07] <str> smoothies: I disable the eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces
[09:07] <mm260865> yes
[09:08] <mm260865> I followed the instructions and I've got the same problem
[09:08] <smoothies> str u mean it was disabled already?
[09:08] <smoothies> ZeroSystem could you do lspci, and then it'll show and output ur wirless pci driver
[09:08] <genii> mm260865 OK. What was the name of the archive in sources.list?
[09:08] <str> smoothies: but I would like something like the windows system.. that it detects if I can reach the wireless network, and connects automatic.. not wait for me to connect to it
[09:09] <genii> eg:  us.archive.ubuntu.com      nz.archive.ubuntu.com   etc
[09:09] <smoothies> str you could try apt-get install wifi-radar, o and did u want to connect automatically to a specific network? and let me look at my wireless set up for a sec
 wait a minute
[09:10] <ZeroSystem> http://buffalotech.com/products/wireless/wireless-g-125-high-speed/wireless-g-125-high-speed-pci-adapter/
[09:10] <ZeroSystem> this is the card
[09:10] <genii> mm260865 OK.
[09:10] <ZeroSystem> i am not useing kubantu now i dont have internet on it
[09:11] <smoothies> ZeroSystem cool, pls follow the guide here http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Installation, don't ignore the prerequisite section, be with u in a sec
 that was it..."http://gr.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main kubuntu-default-setting 1:6.10....
[09:12] <smoothies> lol i just put kbfx on and now i can't find system settings, one sec =)
[09:13] <genii> mm260865 So Greece repository. You could try replacing gr part of the urls with another country near to you perhaps, then sudo apt-get update     then finally sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:15] <genii> matthew_ :)
[09:15] <matthew_> hey genii guess what? my vnc connection didn't work! lol
 will this update my system with the Kde version 4 greek or what?
[09:15] <matthew_> good to see you, genii
[09:15] <smoothies> str o in my system settings/network settings, in the configuration box of wlan0, i have connect at computer startup box checked
[09:16] <str> smoothies: that wifi-radar is the same thing as the one that comes with kubuntu as default.. it only let's you connect to the one you tell it to connect..
[09:16] <genii> mm260865 Every repository has multi-language installs. So no
[09:16] <lerneaen_hydra> end user question: I have a fresh install of 6.10, and am having some bootloader issues. My main rig has 6 harddisks, and I've installed kubuntu on the "last" one. (two are PATA, four SATA, kubuntu installed on sddX). I've set up a small /boot partition (sdd1) and the main root partition (sdd3), and installed the bootloader to sdd (and not hda). When starting grub loads nicely, but I get an error 17, cannot m
[09:16] <lerneaen_hydra> ount partition when trying to boot it. Any ideas?
[09:16] <genii> mm260865 Whatever language you have now is what languaage gets installed
[09:16] <smoothies> str cool, do you have the wlan0 thing start at computer start up? i'm thinking u have that already, but just double checking
[09:16] <mm260865> thanks...
[09:16] <lerneaen_hydra> (i've checked that it tries to load the correct partition)
[09:17] <genii> mm260865 Np
[09:17] <matthew_> genii, I get the message (on my work computer) that there is no server running on that port/address...
 how can I reload my backuped sources.list?
[09:17] <genii> matthew_ So is vncserver running on endpoint, router set up forwarding etc etc?
[09:17] <str> smoothies: yes... if I do that, it will slow the booting  if it does not find the wireless connection (like if I move to other place) because it will try to connect with dhcp and it will not be able to do it
[09:17] <matthew_> genii, I started vncserver from the CLI with "vncserver"...was that wrong?
[09:17] <matthew_> genii, yeah, router set up...I'm thinking I didn't start the server correctly
[09:18] <genii> mm260865 Where did you backup your sources.list to??
[09:18] <genii> matthew_ Yeah try with the default as :1 and not :0 for xterm screen
 wait a moment...
[09:18] <genii> mm260865 I am here :)
[09:19] <smoothies> str o, i'm not too sure then =( sorrie
[09:19] <genii> mm260865 Before you tried to install kubuntu-desktop   from wiki instructions you made a copy of /etc/apt/sources.list ?
 yes
[09:20] <smoothies> str maybe someone else might know, u might wanna try ask again =) sorrie
[09:20] <smoothies> ZeroSystem was the guide pretty follow'able?
[09:20] <genii> mm260865 Good. where did you cp /etc/apt/sources.list   /to ?
[09:20] <ZeroSystem> ya
 /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
[09:21] <ZeroSystem> another thing when i installed kubunta the window applecation thing doesnt work
[09:21] <smoothies> i didn't see you card in the list provided on that wiki, but i think u can get it to work pretty well
[09:21] <ZeroSystem> i dont know about i am just wondering
[09:21] <smoothies> cuz when i installed mine, the list had other people reporting my card wouldn't work, but i had it working at the end so it was cool
[09:21] <matthew_> genii, so        vncserver:1   ?
[09:21] <genii> mm260865 Good. So now:  sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list_backup /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:22] <smoothies> what's the window application thing
 thanks!
[09:22] <genii> matthew The exact syntax I ferget atm :( But *extensive* man page for vncserver
[09:22] <ZeroSystem> i think its the one that lets you open window application i dont remeber exactly
[09:23] <ZeroSystem> it appeared when the driver disk was in
[09:23] <genii> mm260865 :)
[09:24] <genii> matthew_ BTW I solved the reboot into kdm has wrong default resolution issue :) Goes like a charm now
[09:24] <jason__> genil   whats the line i need to put into konsole to install the plugin for java for firefox...i have java installed  but not the firefox plugin
[09:25] <smoothies> ZeroSystem i'm a little confused about what u meant, could u say a little more
[09:26] <ZeroSystem> hmm i dont know how to put it let me see
[09:26] <ZeroSystem> a sec
[09:26] <genii> jason__ sudo apt-get install jre1.4-mozilla-plugin
[09:26] <jason__> ty
[09:26] <matthew_> genii, beautiful!
[09:26] <genii> jason__ Np
[09:27] <matthew_> I'll take a look at the man pages tonight
[09:27] <jellybear> hi there
[09:27] <jason__> hmmmm what depo do i have to have enabled???
[09:27] <genii> matthew_ I remember the big headache I had with vncserver was the default screen in the end
[09:28] <jerp> multiverse probably
[09:28] <genii> I would think so
[09:28] <jellybear> have a strange rights problem: cannot execute any programs for user dhcp even though the access rights on all files involved seem to be set properly. any ideas?
[09:28] <MrBallZ> !upgrade to edgy
[09:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about upgrade to edgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:28] <genii> !jre1.4-mozilla-plugin
[09:28] <jellybear> i'm using edgy
[09:29] <genii> sorry ubotu :)
[09:29] <jellybear> well... sort of
[09:30] <genii> perhaps jre in restricted? I dunno if Sun stuff is quite open-sourced
[09:30] <genii> (otherr than OOo)
[09:31] <MrBallZ> anyone knows the correct steps to upgrade to Edgy from Dapper, using the cd
[09:32] <ScarFreewill> my gtalk just stoped working :\
[09:32] <jerp> MrBallz  check out- http://www.kubuntu.org/
[09:33] <ScarFreewill> that happend to any1 else?
[09:33] <jerp> click on the banner  "Taking you to the edge"
[09:33] <genii> Short upgrade answer: change in sources.list dapper to edgy and eliminate the cd header part so just CDROM://    etc then comment out out all internet repos. Then run sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:34] <genii> well, update    then upgrade
[09:37] <MrBallZ> genii: do you think I'll have issues with this ... Ihave the normal edgy cd , not the alternate
[09:38] <genii> MrBallZ I did this by accident with the stock dist CDs. So i know it works. But you may want to do another way, like just do a clean install etc
[09:38] <MrBallZ> i'll try that ... can you give me the line of your sources.list  for the cdrom ...
[09:39] <genii> MrBallZ I am not at that machine now. But give me a minute
[09:40] <genii> Just deb cdrom:/edgy main restricted      <-- thats all
[09:41] <genii> perhaps :// with 2 slash
[09:41] <tobre> Hi!
[09:42] <lerneaen_hydra> does anybody even use the live-cd to install from?
[09:42] <lerneaen_hydra> it seems to be quite unstable and a lot slower
[09:42] <tobre> I have a very strange situation. When I suspend my laptop it just locked..
[09:42] <genii> I am getting to prefer this netboot method
[09:43] <tobre> locks up
[09:43] <genii> OK, I need air and coffee :) Back ~5
[09:43] <matthew_> 
[09:43] <matthew_>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          lerneaen_hydra, I used it to ins
[09:43] <matthew_> tall from
[09:44] <genii> whoah!
[09:44] <genii> trippy
[09:45] <matthew_> genii, did a bunch of weird stuff just happen in your irc client window?
[09:49] <MrVincent__> Hey guys, how do I download firefox with adept? It's greyed out
[09:49] <intelikey> greyed out ?
[09:50] <intelikey> it's in main.
[09:50] <intelikey> !firefox
[09:50] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[09:50] <intelikey> !info firefox
[09:50] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0+0dfsg-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 9001 kB, installed size 28588 kB
[09:54] <hate> ok got a vid card question if anyone has a second to help
 finally I did...I changed .gr with .gb and now installs kde...
[09:55] <intelikey> i wonder why i'm getting such veried results   "-:- CTCP PING reply from intelikey: 60.320 seconds"   "-:- CTCP PING reply from intelikey: 0.788 seconds"  lag from 0 to 47 to 0 again in one minute???
[09:55] <ralph_> genii: Hi Thanks for you wireless link yesterday. I tried to make it work but in the end I gave up. I did a install of edgy. Now the system recognises the wireless card but I cannot bring up the interface. It just stays disabled.
[09:55] <matthew_> intelikey, I was looking through my /home and I found my chat.txt file of the chat we had with dave_, lol
[09:55] <intelikey> :)
[09:56] <matthew_> lol, I was laughing so hard as I read it...gonna keep it around for awhile.
[09:56] <hate> anyone know why i migth be getting a screen flicker every oh 10-20 seconds??
 will I end up with KDE 4 or what?
[09:56] <intelikey> -:- CTCP PING reply from intelikey: 11.648 seconds
[09:57] <matthew_> intelikey> -:- CTCP PING reply from intelikey: 11.648 seconds   <--------- huh?
[09:57] <intelikey> -:- CTCP PING reply from intelikey: 0.902 seconds
[09:58] <matthew_> what is that for?
[09:58] <intelikey> yes i'm getting all kinds of wierd times on that.
[09:58] <intelikey> matthew_ do /ping matthew_
[09:58] <jerp> what have you done since the last dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server ?
[09:58] <intelikey> it should give a round trip time for two send/recieves
[09:59] <matthew_> intelikey, but what's the point?
[09:59] <ralph_> Can anyone help me get my wireless interface enabled?
[09:59] <intelikey> matthew_ ?
[09:59] <genii> !ping
[09:59] <ubotu> 64 bytes from ubotu (10.13.37.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.33 ms
[09:59] <matthew_> to do a ping of yourself? just to see how much lag there is?
[09:59] <genii> hmm
[09:59] <intelikey> ralph_ i can't but i can point you at the docs.
[09:59] <intelikey> !wifi | ralph_
[09:59] <ubotu> ralph_: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:00] <intelikey> matthew_ yes.
[10:00] <matthew_> intelikey, oh, ok.
[10:00] <genii> did avalon ever get his tablet drivers compiled and working?
[10:00] <intelikey> matthew_ cause my lag meter was going krazy.
[10:00] <matthew_> lol
[10:02] <intelikey> now at 21 seconds.
[10:02] <intelikey> -:- CTCP PING reply from intelikey: 40.713 seconds
[10:02] <intelikey> makes no sense to me.
[10:02] <intelikey> !botsnack
[10:02] <ubotu> Yum!
 I ended up with KDE 3.5 is this correct?
[10:03] <intelikey> and i see the reply from ubotu within one secnod....
[10:04] <genii> mm260865 I would think so, yes
[10:04] <genii> !kde
[10:04] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[10:04] <genii> bah no ver info :)
[10:05] <intelikey> !info kde
[10:05] <ubotu> kde: the K Desktop Environment official modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[10:05] <intelikey> !info kdecore
[10:05] <ubotu> Package kdecore does not exist in any distro I know
[10:05] <genii> intelikey Smartie pants ;)
[10:05] <intelikey> !info kde-core
[10:05] <ubotu> kde-core: the K Desktop Environment core modules. In component main, is optional. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[10:05] <genii> ver 5:47 ???? That *can't* be correct
[10:05] <mm260865> Kubuntu comes with KDE 4. Why I ended up with KDE 3.5?
[10:06] <intelikey> yes it is.   that's package version.  not app version
[10:06] <genii> Ah ah yeah
Kubuntu comes with KDE 4. Why I ended up with KDE 3.5?
[10:06] <genii> mm260865 I'm sure you have the latest whatever it is
[10:06] <genii> likely 4.2 or so
[10:07] <mm260865> can I change the default interface language from british to greek?
[10:07] <intelikey> mm260865 kubuntu comes with kde 3.2   3.4   4.0   what version of "kubuntu"  do you have ?
[10:07] <genii> he has edgy
[10:08] <mm260865> I've got ubuntu edgy and I installed KDE desktop for variety!
[10:08] <genii> I think you want System -> Language Support
 can I change the default interface language <<< locales
[10:09] <genii> I see there on my Dapper box "Greek, Modern" as a possible language to install
[10:09] <mm260865> OK...<genni> but the version it's still 3.5 not 4.0 can I upgrade?
[10:10] <intelikey> !kde4
[10:10] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[10:11] <genii> mm260865 Yes, certainly. For whichever latest there may be, the=is should work:   apt-get upgrade kde
[10:12] <mm260865> thanks <genii> I will try it right now!
[10:12] <genii> possibly bleeding edge distro may be kde-devel
[10:14] <miron_> how do i enable hibernate options in kubuntu?
[10:14] <unix_infidel> should already be enable.
[10:15] <unix_infidel> check your dmesg for acpi states available.
[10:15] <miron_> it should?
[10:15] <unix_infidel> you just have to enter the acpi state.
[10:15] <miron_> i'm kind of new to linux, so what?
[10:15] <unix_infidel> which laptop?
[10:15] <miron_> dell inspiron 6000
[10:15] <miron_> hibernate works on xubuntu
[10:15] <[Relic] > Anyway to get flash to work with firefox (properly)?
[10:15] <unix_infidel> it should either be in your log-off shutdown menu, or it should be delivered as part of a keybind.
[10:16] <unix_infidel> !flash
[10:16] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:16] <miron_> still kind of confused
[10:16] <[Relic] > it works properly in mozilla but not firefox
[10:22] <slougi> miron_: K-Menu -> logout
[10:22] <slougi> you should see there hibernate and suspend options
[10:22] <miron_> end current session, reboot, shut down
[10:22] <miron_> that's all
[10:22] <ralph_> intelikey: Thanks for the pointer to the docs. I have looked through the troubleshooting guide, I could not see what is the problem. The card is seen, iwconfig show the card but It does not have the essid or encryption key I set. Also when I try bring up the interface  just does not enable. Any ideas?
[10:22] <slougi> miron_: interesting, are you using edgy?
[10:23] <miron_> i think so
[10:23] <miron_> if that's the current one
[10:23] <slougi> yeah, 6.10
[10:23] <miron_> yeah
[10:24] <slougi> hmm, it Just Worked (tm) on my thinkpad, so I don't really know
[10:24] <slougi> in general suspend/hibernate on linux is currently a bit icky
[10:25] <slougi> there are several mutually incompatible implementations
[10:25] <miron_> well, this is mildly annoying
[10:25] <slougi> yes, I know
[10:25] <miron_> but it works on xfce and gnome
[10:25] <slougi> well, it's just a config issue then
[10:25] <intelikey> ralph_ no sorry,  i'm kinda network illiterate, and content to stay that way.
[10:25] <slougi> but I have no idea really how to fix it, sorry
[10:25] <miron_> if i could enter a command or something, that would work too
[10:25] <miron_> is there a specific command for hibernate?
[10:26] <slougi> hmm, hold on for a sec
[10:26] <miron_> and sleep, i use that too
[10:26] <genii> miron_ Do you have a swap partition that is at least 1 1/2 times the total size of your physiacal Ram?
[10:27] <miron_> i have a 2 gig swap partition, and 512 of ram
[10:27] <faLUCE> hi. do you know anything about X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h: No such file or directory ?
[10:27] <slougi> miron_: just to find out whether you use acpi or apm, if you enter "dmesg | grep -i apm" at a console, do you see a line "apm: overriden by ACPI"?
[10:27] <intelikey> miron_ i don't use hibernate but yes. it can be called from the cli.    i don't know the command though.
[10:27] <ralph_> intelikey: Me too, no nothing about wifi and networking. This is frustrating and getting me black eyes from cousin, who now has a low opinion of Linux.
[10:27] <genii> Hmm OK... I have heard some probs relating to no swap or small swap which causes hibernate isssues but this seems not that
[10:28] <miron_> uhh, bios not found
[10:28] <miron_> [17179757.820000]  apm: BIOS not found.
[10:28] <slougi> faLUCE: install x11proto-scrnsaver-dev
[10:28] <intelikey> ralph_ ask in ##linux  maybe.
[10:28] <faLUCE> slougi: let's try
[10:28] <slougi> miron_: hmm. does it say anything about ACPI?
[10:28] <miron_> nope
[10:28] <intelikey> miron_ has acpi ?
[10:29] <genii> So perhaps it is either turned off in bios or you have the 2nd type of power regulating
[10:29] <miron_> but see, it isn't turned off in the bios, it works on windows, xfce, and gnome
[10:29] <slougi> miron_: if you have any unsaved docs open, save them, and see if "sudo apm -s" suspends.
[10:30] <[Relic] > nothing helpful there, guess I should probably just sack firefox and go back to mozilla since it is stable
[10:30] <miron_> ok
[10:30] <slougi> If it makes your house explode don't blame me though :)
[10:30] <faLUCE> slougi: thnks, it works
[10:30] <miron_> not my house, oh well
[10:30] <miron_> no apm support in kernel
[10:30] <slougi> faLUCE: no problem. usually missing X11 headers need x11proto-<something>
[10:30] <slougi> miron_: right
[10:31] <ralph_> intelikey: Too me it is looking like a problem with edgy. I put in the correct info and then hit the eneable button and it brings up the enableing dialog box for about 2 seconds and then that goes away and the interface remains disabled.
[10:31] <slougi> miron_: for some reason the kernel isn't picking up any power saving stuff, or that's how I interpret the situation
[10:31] <slougi> miron_: don't really have any suggestions... as I said, I never really looked into power saving stuff
[10:33] <miron_> it isn't picking up any power saving stuff in the kernel, but it is on xfce and gnome?
[10:33] <miron_> kde is weird
[10:33] <slougi> are xfce/gnome on the same install?
[10:33] <miron_> yes
[10:33] <slougi> because kde *definitely* doesn't affect the kernel like that
[10:34] <miron_> definetly doesn't or definitely shouldn't?
[10:34] <slougi> definitely cannot
[10:34] <miron_> i think i may switch back to gnome now
[10:34] <slougi> heh
[10:35] <slougi> in any case, it is some sort of configuration issue. what exactly is broken I cannot tell.
[10:36] <miron_> wtf was that
[10:37] <miron_> oh well
[10:37] <miron_> so, what did you just say?
[10:39] <miron_> slougi was it?
[10:41] <slougi> miron_: sorry?
[10:41] <slougi> ah
[10:41] <slougi> [23:35]  <slougi> in any case, it is some sort of configuration issue. what exactly is broken I cannot tell.
[10:41] <slougi> so, nothing important
[10:45] <boggystudios> does anyone in here use cedega
[10:49] <brandon_> I installed it, but it didn't work for me, kept bugging out.
[10:49] <brandon_> do you use it?
[10:50] <boggystudios> yeah
[10:51] <boggystudios> i am having trouble getting the sound to work in Civilization 4
[10:51] <boggystudios> after I installed the 1.61 patch
[10:51] <brandon_> oh there is a way you can force OSS sound in some file that fixes it i believe
[10:51] <brandon_> 1.61 patch?
[10:51] <brandon_> for cedega?
[10:51] <boggystudios> I know this isn't the place to ask but no one in the cedega channel is answering
[10:51] <brandon_> are you on 64bit?
[10:52] <boggystudios> 1.61 for civ 4
[10:52] <brandon_> oh
[10:52] <boggystudios> it worked on the 1.0
[10:52] <brandon_> are you on 64bit?
[10:52] <boggystudios> nope just 32 bit
[10:52] <genii> Hmmm "eject /cdrom" exists ... is there an "insert /cdrom" or equiv?
[10:52] <brandon_> yeah, cedega freezes for me, and wine I can't compile or install.  i'm on x86_64, and don't want to switch back to 32bit
[10:53] <slougi> genii: you mean to close the tray?
[10:53] <boggystudios> I think that there is a 64 bit cedega
[10:53] <genii> slougi Yes by software
[10:53] <brandon_> I know, but it freezes for some reason
[10:53] <brandon_> closes out
[10:54] <slougi> genii: I believe eject -t closes the tray. eject -T closes if open, opens if closed. iirc not all devices support it though. have a look at the man page.
[10:54] <genii> At the end of an automated installation, I want some indication the machine is done. So I figure eject insert cycle for 3-4 loops would do it
[10:54] <genii> interesting lemme try :)
[10:55] <ss> Hi folks
[10:55] <ss> a little problem with me
[10:55] <excitatory> lo
[10:55] <ss> can someone listn???
[10:55] <slougi> ss: just ask and see if you get an answer
[10:56] <genii> Yes lowercase t works perfect thx slougi
[10:56] <slougi> genii: e.g. think of laptop drives of the "pop-out" kind, they don't support close command, nor do slot drives. so you really also should have another indicator :)
[10:56] <slougi> genii: np
[10:57] <ss> thnx
[10:57] <ss> I can not run Google Earth. I installed it from official bin file but it crashes every time..same was when i installed it from Automatix
[10:58] <slougi> what does it say?
[10:58] <excitatory> ss: do you have 3d drivers installed.. i.e., official nvidia or ati drivers?
[10:58] <excitatory> if not, that's probably your reason
[10:59] <TheDebugger> Automatix is a pile of ( four letter word )
[10:59] <ss> 3d drivers
[10:59] <ss> ooooooooo
[10:59] <ss> i have to install 3d drivers...
[10:59] <ss> strange
[10:59] <matthew_> TheDebugger, I love it.
[10:59] <matthew_> TheDebugger, it's a pile of food?
[10:59] <ss> it works simply with my windows system
[10:59] <ss> dual boot xp and kubuntu
[11:00] <excitatory> ss: well, by default, *ubuntu installs open-source drivers.. but because graphics hardware is closed, some of the more advanced 3d effects cannot be replicated in the oss drivers, and thus if you need 3d, you'll have to install the official closed drivers from your card manufacturer
[11:01] <slougi> except in the case of Ati I wouldn't bother..
[11:01] <ss> opssssssss
[11:01] <ss> it is working now i think it was internet problem
[11:02] <ss> i ran it to tell you error message but it is ok thnx folks for answering
[11:02] <ss> i love kubuntu
[11:02] <excitatory> it is nice.
[11:02] <excitatory> ss: well, for future reference and more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:02] <boggystudios> yes....it is
[11:02] <slougi> certainly is :)
[11:08] <monique> hi all, I'm planning to use wpa encryption with my wifi card, I'm following the doc that tells to modifiy /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf, but that file isn't there, has this file moved elsewhere ?
[11:09] <monique> (under edgy, following instructions at WPAHowTo)
[11:12] <fdoving> monique: check out /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[11:12] <fdoving> if you don't have that either, there is a template at /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wpa_supplicant.conf.template
[11:14] <monique> fdoving: thanks, apparently ,that file is entirely composed of comments, so I guess it's ok to start a new file from scratch then
[11:15] <fdoving> monique: it is.
[11:15] <monique> ah wait, there aren't only comments in fact
[11:17] <monique> ok, it should be fine, thanks for the pointer
[11:17] <fdoving> you're welcome :)
[11:18] <[oister] > good morning
[11:21] <n8k99> question about kopete - is there a way to have it sign into an irc channel upon start up?
[11:25] <brandon_> how do i reset panels?
[11:26] <jerp> with this: killall kicker | kicker
[11:28] <apokryphos> brandon_: dcop kicker default restart
[11:28] <brandon_> thanks, does anyone know how to disable taskbar flashing?
[11:29] <apokryphos> brandon_: yes, from the system settings in the menu
[11:29] <brandon_> window behavior?
[11:29] <brandon_> which option?
[11:33] <Dagfari> anyone know a reason why when I choose to partition my disk manually my installer hangs?
[11:35] <Dagfari> running 6.06.1 on an amd 550 with 384MB RAM hda is 1.3gb and hdb is 2.6...previous install of ubuntu 5.04 resident on the drives
[11:35] <brandon_> try formatting the drive first
[11:36] <brandon_> i had to do that on 2 installs to fresh install
[11:36] <Dagfari> is there an option from the live cd or do I have to use my 5.04 cd and exit the install after the format?
[11:37] <brandon_> if there is, I do not know how to get to it
[11:37] <brandon_> i think it's command line like install -format
[11:37] <brandon_> something like that
[11:37] <brandon_> i don't know for sure
[11:37] <brandon_> but i had to use my windows cd
[11:38] <brandon_> if you find out, let me know, please!
[11:38] <nibi> Hi everyone
[11:38] <nibi> i have a very simple question
[11:39] <Stalk3r> ok, I'll do that
[11:39] <nibi> Can anyone tell me how to install compiz?
[11:39] <nibi> i am using kubuntu 6.10 edgy
[11:39] <nibi> all the how-tos keep talking about gnome and such
[11:39] <nibi> but i am using kde kubuntu
[11:40] <jerp> !compiz | nibi
[11:40] <ubotu> nibi: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:41] <matthew_> genii, man, I had a guy come into the store looking for disks to "record digital audio". I told him we had CD-RW's and CD-R's, with CD-R's being the better choice for stand-alone audio players...so, he asks to talk to my boss. My boss isn't here and doesn't have his cell...so he calls someone and tells them that "the guy who works here doesn't know anything". Then he leaves...bleagh, what a downer.
[11:41] <nibi> the tinyurl link for kubuntu doesn't work ubotu
[11:44] <Shaezsche> in general, is battery life for laptops better with kde or gnome?
[11:44] <brandon_> i would say it's the same
[11:45] <brandon_> but i do not know for sure
[11:47] <Stalk3r> brandon_: Use QTParted
[11:48] <brandon_> what is that?
[11:48] <Stalk3r> graphical partitioner on the live cd
[11:48] <brandon_> how do you get to it?
[11:48] <nibi> sean has pimped his nick
[11:48] <Stalk3r> KMenu|System|QTParted
[11:48] <Se4n> ;] 
[11:49] <brandon_> yeah but people don't want to have to burn a live cd to format their drive to install another cd
[11:49] <brandon_> just put it on the main cd
[11:49] <jerp> nibi, do you know how to use Google?  there are howtos all over it for compiz kubuntu
[11:49] <Stalk3r> I found hda is the reason it hung in the first place so I'll be pulling that drive off the system
[11:49] <brandon_> have everything else download when it's installed
[11:50] <Se4n> which packages i need to use "make" in kubuntu?
[11:50] <nibi> yea thats the problem, there's so many of them that i get lost
[11:50] <Schuenemann> how can get the volume of my headphones higher?
[11:50] <Stalk3r> well, I burned the install cd I downloaded and it was the live cd but the installer runs from the live cd desktop
[11:51] <jerp> try that #ubuntu-xgl channel
[11:51] <Schuenemann> ?
[11:51] <eilker> z
[11:52] <knivage> Hey, has anyone here ever bought from Linux System Labs (www.lsl.com.au) in Australia?
[11:52] <Schuenemann> !au
[11:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about au - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:53] <Schuenemann> how can get the volume of my headphones higher?
[11:53] <Schuenemann> kmix is already at its maximum
[11:53] <Stalk3r> term
[11:54] <knivage> Well, I'd better go, cya everyone!
[11:55] <Stalk3r> oops, I typed on the wrong keyboard
[11:55] <Stalk3r> rofl
[11:55] <rbayo> alguien en espaol
[11:56] <Schuenemann> !es | rbayo
[11:56] <ubotu> rbayo: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:56] <rbayo> ok
[11:57] <arschkind> Sysinfo for 'kubuntu': Linux 2.6.15-23-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: AMDAthlon64X2DualCore4200+ at 2211 MHz (4425 bogomips), , RAM: 982/1010MB, 98 proc's, 37.32min up
[11:58] <matthew_> Schuenemann, if you're using a media player you may be able to boost the volume up from within the media player...
[11:58] <Schuenemann> it's amarok, at the max
[11:58] <Schuenemann> and so is kmix and the headphone itself
[11:59] <bulwynkl> !lvm
[11:59] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[11:59] <Schuenemann> matthew_: but on windows, for example, I can get it a lot higher
[12:01] <michael20la> if i leave my system idle for 1 min, i loose display (blank screen) but returns when i move the mouse. ideaS?
[12:01] <Schuenemann> screensaver?
[12:01] <Schuenemann> power saver
[12:01] <michael20la> off
[12:02] <Stalk3r> it's the powersaver
[12:02] <Stalk3r> are you on a laptop?
[12:03] <michael20la> usually, a white X appears
[12:04] <Stalk3r> sounds like a screensaver, then
[12:05] <slougi> I sometimes get the white X too, not quite sure what it is. usually when returning from sleep. It's the X11 logo, so it has something to do with X.
[12:05] <Stalk3r> it's x resuming from suspended mode
[12:05] <slougi> right, was suspecting that
[12:05] <slougi> it didn't used to do this
[12:06] <Stalk3r> so, michael20la, are you on a laptop?
[12:06] <brandon_> can you set the size of tray icons?
[12:06] <slougi> brandon_: no
[12:07] <slougi> the tray icons are actually X11 windows provided separately by each app, so it is up to the applications
[12:07] <Schuenemann> so nobody has an idea about the headphones' volume? :(
[12:09] <arschkind> Sysinfo for 'kubuntu': Linux 2.6.15-23-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: AMDAthlon64X2DualCore4200+ at 2211 MHz (4425 bogomips), , RAM: 257/1010MB, 98 proc's, 2.11min up
[12:11] <vado> Bonsoir
[12:12] <andreasw> Anybody knows how I can get symbols on the desktop for every usb disc I plug in?
[12:12] <andreasw> Even if they are not mounted