[05:51] <hj> hello, anybody here ?
[05:52] <kgoetz> hi
[05:54] <hj> oh.. hi kgoetz..
[05:54] <kgoetz> :\
[05:54] <hj> i had several questions but the wiki allready solved them
[05:55] <hj> im doing a research for a proyect of the world bank  focused in mexico
[05:55] <hj> innovation to reduce poverty...
[05:55] <kgoetz> :)
[05:55] <hj> i was trying to find out if it was possible to create customized livecd focused on children
[05:55] <hj> and so it happens it does....
[05:56] <hj> do you think that it would possible to sponsor a specific distribution of edubuntu ?
[05:56] <kgoetz> sponsor a derivative of edubuntu?
[05:57] <hj> yup
[05:57] <hj> yes sponsor "pay" some developers to create e costum version for edubuntu
[05:57] <hj> for this specific project of the world bank
[05:57] <kgoetz> i dont know, depending on what you want to derive for it might be better to help them build edubuntu
[05:57] <kgoetz> hm.well
[05:57] <kgoetz> if you choose to sponsor devs, tahts your call.
[05:58] <kgoetz> how you go about that, i dont know, but it is ok
[05:58] <kgoetz> hi crimsun
[05:58] <crimsun> 'lo.
[05:58] <kgoetz> :)
[05:59] <hj> well in brief...   the proyect intends to involve young people in an innovative way to help reduce poverty...
[06:00] <hj> the country in which the proyect will be held is mexico
[06:00] <hj> most of the poverty problemas in mexico is because people lack of access to information, hence they are not able to develop new skills
[06:01] <hj> the idea behind this proposal for the proyect is to give children livecd and equip schools and parks with very low cost terminals
[06:01] <hj> in this way in cooperation with schools...   children could learn to develop skills and have access to knowledge
[06:02] <kgoetz> sounds like what netday (sp?) in south africa
[06:03] <hj> well yes.. in some way... mexico has very similar conditions of poverty of african and some Asiatic countries
[06:04] <hj> this livecd is one of the possible proposals, the second one is a children version of wikipedia
[06:04] <hj> although it might require greater funds
[06:04] <kgoetz> hj: how far do you think you would have to derive from edubuntu? or are you just trying to find ideas at the moment?
[06:05] <hj> well i found that many of the applications needed allready exist...
[06:05] <hj> hold sec please
[06:05] <kgoetz> np
[06:06] <hj> im back
[06:06] <hj> apps such as KDE Edutainment Pack
[06:07] <kgoetz> you would want them included?
[06:07] <hj> yup
[06:07] <hj> i think NEW development wouldnt be necesarry at least at the first phase...
[06:07] <hj> just tons of costumization...
[06:08] <kgoetz> sounds like you want to derive quite a way off a standard cd
[06:08] <hj> the real challenge would be to teach teachers how to use the tools,  and get some infraestructure for centralized information
[06:08] <hj> do you think this is a big problem ?
[06:09] <kgoetz> not as such.
[06:09] <hj> i've only used slax, im quite new in this opensource OS world
[06:09] <hj> never the less in new developments and similar
[06:09] <kgoetz> i'm not a dev, so i cant comment on the current state of edubuntu and whats in it
[06:09] <kgoetz> ogra is the man to ping on that front
[06:10] <hj> graet.. ill make sure to organize more ideas and contact him..
[06:10] <hj> .do you have any other ideas ?
[06:11] <kgoetz> hj:  try emailling the edubuntu/ubuntu-education lists
[06:11] <kgoetz> and see if you can catch RichEd-1  as well
[06:12] <hj> thanks a lot..
[06:12] <hj> and how are you involved in the proyect ?
[06:12] <kgoetz> np. hope it helped
[06:13] <kgoetz> edubuntu? i used to run it on some of my computers, not i hang around to ask indirectly  related questions
[06:13] <kgoetz> and because i hope to start getting edubuntu into schools here
[06:13] <hj> and where are you located ?
[06:14] <kgoetz> Australia
[06:14] <hj> and what has been your experience ?
[06:15] <kgoetz> with eduubuntu? i used the 6.06 release, and it worked well.
[06:15] <hj> and how have schools recieved it ?
[06:15] <kgoetz> i'm hoping for a less 'childish' version, for middle/upper school
[06:15] <kgoetz> i havent deplyed it here yet. i want to do it properly first time ;)
[06:17] <hj> yes, precisly, a distribution for students 12 - 18 would be perfect for my project
[06:17] <kgoetz> hj: i know there was talks of work on one, i just dont know how it went
[06:17] <kgoetz> perhaps if you can work with edubuntu, you can wortk with them to make the version
[06:20] <hj> I have to live for now Karl, but i appreciate a lot your help... i'll et you know of i have any success on promoting edubuntu in mexico and the world bank..
[06:21] <hj> if the world bank likes it i could get some funds...
[06:21] <hj> i gotta move from location... maybe ill return later...
[06:21] <hj> thansk
[06:21] <kgoetz> good luck hd
[06:21] <kgoetz> *hj
[06:21] <kgoetz> look forward to see ing you again
[09:04] <ry0672> hi all
[09:05] <hj> hi there
[09:05] <ry0672> anyone up?
[09:05] <ry0672> hey
[09:05] <ry0672> got a question
[09:05] <hj> im kinda in here, but im a complete neophyte... jajaj im afraid i cant answer much
[09:05] <ry0672> k
[09:05] <hj> jajaja but shoot, im sure between the both of us can find an answer in the wiki and docs
[09:06] <ry0672> thanx
[09:06] <ry0672> I want to install edubuntu for my sister's daugher that's 9 years old
[09:06] <kgoetz> ry0672: you should ask a question, if someone can help, they will
[09:06] <ry0672> i c
[09:07] <ry0672> better yet is edubuntu a safe OS for young children?
[09:08] <ry0672> I am looking for some way that restricts young kids from accessing say prOn sites and the like
[09:08] <ry0672> is edubuntu the way to go? Or should I be looking elsewhere?
[09:09] <hj> whoa, i belive than regardless the OS you use the real danger is in the web outhere... if edubuntu (please confirm) doesnt come with a type of firewall o contrnol access system you would liek to get one...
[09:09] <kgoetz> you could put filters in place, but i havent tried
[09:09] <hj> does edubuntu come with parental control out of the box ?
[09:10] <kgoetz> 606 didnt, i dont know about 6.10
[09:10] <ry0672> filters, good guess I can do a search on that
[09:11] <ry0672> "parental control" ty thats what i meant to ask
[09:11] <ry0672> brb gotta google,lol
[09:11] <kgoetz> if you dont mind some confiuration, theres squid+[chastitybelt,dans gardian] 
[09:12] <ry0672> I C... squid+[chastitybelt,dans gardian] 
[09:13] <kgoetz> ry0672: do you have ubuntu/edubuntu installed at the moment?
[09:14] <ry0672> no, I have Ubuntu on my laptop, and i'm currently on my gf's pc and am dl'ing the edubuntu Live CD
[09:14] <kgoetz> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/web/dansguardian
[09:14] <ry0672> WoW
[09:14] <ry0672> TY
[09:14] <kgoetz> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/web/squid
[09:14] <ry0672> nice
[09:15] <kgoetz> have a look around packages.ubuntu.com if you want to see whats in it :) or look in synaptic
[09:15] <ry0672> again thanx
[09:16] <kgoetz> np
[09:16] <ry0672> will do!
[09:16] <kgoetz> :)
[09:16] <hj> uu squid is really something  i used to recomend it for local goverment agencies..
[09:20] <kgoetz> hj: meaning you like it, or you think its to big?
[09:22] <hj> both..
[09:22] <hj> but i've never tried it in a closed envoriment ... maybe it can work well
[09:22] <kgoetz> i dont know much about filtering proxies - i aimed to educate users at work, rather then block them
[09:22] <kgoetz> and slap them about now and then if i find bad stuff happening
[09:23] <kgoetz> mind you, my work isnt a big corp, so there is some room to manouver
[09:23] <hj> well, as long its a local network squid should be able to do a great job...
[09:24] <hj> im unsure about the same computer that runs as server should be a client itself, even more if its for a child...
[09:25] <hj> but for a small network of even 3 - 5 computers squid gets the job pretty good...
[09:25] <kgoetz> i dont feel sane sugesting someone increase their network complexity - i'm happy to, but i dont like recomending it to someone who just wants a childenres comp.
[09:25] <hj> exactly
[09:26] <hj> uuuh....  "DansGuardian requires squid or another similar caching proxy server on your local network."
[09:27] <kgoetz> yep.
[09:27] <hj> and DansGuardian seems to capsulate more funtions suchs as AV with clam...
[09:28] <hj> seems more like a "smart" frontend to various components...
[09:28] <hj> i would try densguardian....
[10:12] <hj> Ubuntu Christian Edition also includes fully integrated web content parental controls powered by Dansguardian. A graphical tool to adjust the parental control settings has also been developed specifically for Ubuntu Christian Edition. These features are truly what sets Ubuntu Christian Edition apart.
[10:13] <hj> If this guys did it im sure you can manage to do something
[10:13] <hj> ups... he is gone ...
[10:14] <kgoetz> wonder if we have poached that frontend yet
[10:34] <hj> kgoetz:  so, what is it that you do for a living ?
[10:36] <kgoetz> hj: i have been living off my savings. (ie not earning a living). i work as a volunteer for several groups
[10:36] <kgoetz> and for the next 6 months i'll be a full time student
[10:37] <kgoetz> perhaps with a 3 week visit to papua new guinea to setup a network over there using ubuntu+debian
[10:42] <hj> WOW...
[10:43] <hj> i've never been there, but it sounds as if they have a lot of new world - old world cutlures
[10:43] <kgoetz> 'full time student' - i'll probalby get half the course or more on recognition for prior learning
[10:43] <hj> how old are you ?
[10:43] <kgoetz> the trip will be pretty intence if i get to go
[10:43] <kgoetz> 20
[10:43] <hj> okz
[10:44] <hj> thats pretty cool, being able to travel and work as a volunteer
[10:44] <kgoetz> yeh. i'v been volunteering for 2 years already
[10:44] <kgoetz> i'll have to cut back when i get real work though :\
[10:45] <kgoetz> s/real/paid
[10:46] <kgoetz> i have to break that habit. its real work wether i get money or not
[10:46] <hj> yes indeed, but anyways... we must do it while we can.. (no family to take care of)
[10:47] <kgoetz> h'm
[10:47] <hj> most of my time and hobbies are currently sponsored by a media lab, located in mexico...
[10:47] <hj> restatemedia.com restatemedia.net
[10:47] <hj> i get enough money for a living, but i really need to get more income before i get old and start needed more money
[10:48] <hj> but hey... its a great way to spend time.. volunteering
[10:48] <kgoetz> brb in a few min
[10:58] <kgoetz> just making food. will be a bit longer
[11:18] <kgoetz> ffs. i needed info on that shell. it died ;(
[11:18] <kgoetz> must have been the blackout
[11:18] <hj> ?
[11:19] <kgoetz> hj: i was logged into a shell before. the host has gone down.
[11:19] <kgoetz> it only goes down when the UPS runs out.
[11:19] <hj> oooh
[11:22] <hj> i'll get a new "old laptop" just to play around with edubuntu
[11:23] <hj> or maybe i'll just go straight fwd to compile a customized liveUSB..
[11:24] <artbird309> What would be better to install for a server at school edubuntu or ubuntu it is for a 150 seats desktops?
[11:24] <kgoetz> artbird309: what age group?
[11:24] <artbird309> kgoetz: 6-12
[11:25] <kgoetz> try edubuntu
[11:25] <cbx33> hey peeps
[11:25] <hj> I read somewhere you could create quizes with some package, has anyone tried it ?
[11:25] <artbird309> kgoetz: does that have all the stuff that ubuntu server has
[11:26] <cbx33> artbird309, the base installs of both are largely similar
[11:26] <cbx33> what are you after specifically?
[11:26] <artbird309> I ldap sever with samba
[11:27] <artbird309> I think I am open for a better set-up
[12:57] <cbx33> hi ogra
[12:57] <cbx33> bye ogra
[03:41] <bddebian> Heya
[03:47] <rockprincess> hey
[03:48] <bddebian> Whoa, a Princess? :)
[03:48] <rockprincess> yep ;)
[04:00] <rockprincess> heheh ;)
[04:00] <rockprincess> sweet!
[05:37] <cbx33> hey all
[05:58] <sorl> can someone direct me on how to install a printer on a thin client?
[05:58] <sorl> (locally)
[08:18] <mm112> hello